American Thought Leaders - I Was Injured in the COVID Vaccine Trials and Still Struggle Every Day: Brianne Dressen

Episode Date: March 2, 2025

“When I got my COVID vaccine, my reaction started within an hour, and it started with tingling down the same arm as my injection. It moved to my other arm, then it moved to my legs, and then it moved to my head, into my brain, and I had this horrific electrical, pulsating sensation through my body 24/7.”Brianne Dressen was left severely injured after participating in the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine trials. She’s the co-founder of the nonprofit React19, which helps people impacted by COVID-19 vaccine injuries. React19 now advocates on behalf of over 36,000 people.“We can’t be found in any kind of database that the public or anyone beyond the government can access,” she says. “All of the programs that we’ve developed, they work together in concert to build an avenue for healing for the people that literally have no avenue.”She’s the subject of the new book “Worth a Shot?: Secrets of the Clinical Trial Participant Who Inspired a Global Movement.”Views expressed in this video are opinions of the host and the guest, and do not necessarily reflect the views of The Epoch Times.

When I got my COVID vaccine, my reaction started within an hour. And it started with tingling down the same arm as my injection. It moved to my other arm, then it moved to my legs, and then it moved to my head, into my brain. And I had this horrific electrical pulsating sensation through my body 24-7. Breanne Dressen was left severely injured after participating in the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine trials. She's the co-founder of the nonprofit React19, which helps people impacted by the COVID-19 vaccines.

React19 now advocates on behalf of over 36,000 people. We can't be found in any kind of database that the public or anyone beyond the government can access. She's the subject of the new book, Worth a Shot? Secrets of the Clinical Trial Participant Who Inspired a Global Movement. This is American Thought Leaders and I'm Jan Jekielek. Breanne Dressen, such a pleasure to have you back on American Thought Leaders. I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me. You were injured in a COVID vaccine trial some four years ago. You were diagnosed with post-vaccine neuropathy at the National Institutes of Health, NIH,

and you were actually treated there, and it helped you. And I recall you described this to me as getting the golden ticket. Where do things stand now? It's a good question. I was at the NIH back in 2021, so almost four years ago. And a lot has happened in that amount of time, but also nothing has happened at the same time. You know, my body is still struggling every day with this autoimmune condition that continues to eat away at my nerves. And at the same time, I've been able to find a whole lot of things that

have helped my condition as well. Reading your book, one thing that jumped out at me is diet. Your husband, who's been incredibly helpful to you, describes a situation where he started just trying diet as a possible option. And that was actually one of the first things that made a significant difference. It was a happy accident because at that point, I was really not in a good situation. My cognitive abilities were at the lowest they had ever been. I was almost entirely bed-bound at this point and we were five, six months into this. We had tried all kinds of medications the doctors had given us, you know, we took a

picture of it one day and it was literally an entire desk full from edge to edge of just prescription medications that I had taken and failed. And, you know, my husband's like, I'm going to do some research on looking at foods and neuroinflammation and systemic inflammation and curbing autoimmunity. And sure enough, food was one of those things. So we cut out gluten and dairy and corn. Next thing to go was processed anything. So anything that came in a box or a bag that all that all went so everything was homemade and organic and clean and it was incredible just in my body with the amount of electrical sensations vibrations pain brain fog and my personality was not my own at that point because the inflammation was so bad.

So I started changing the diet. My husband was feeding me everything at this point. And all of a sudden, my sense of self returned. My personality returned. And the pain went from a 9 out of 10 down to a 7 out of 10, down to a 6 out of 10, down to a 5 out of 10. Maybe just for the benefit of our audience, we've discussed this before, but explain to me, you know, the sort of collection of symptoms. And these are not exclusive to you, of course, but tell me about that. Yeah, so when I got my COVID vaccine, my reaction started within an hour. And it started with tingling down the same arm as my injection. It moved to my other arm, then it moved to my legs, and then it moved to my head, into my brain. And I had this horrific electrical pulsating sensation through my body 24-7. There was no break from it. And I still have that to this day. It's just instead of unbearable, we've been able to dial it back with different therapies. I also have

extreme leg weakness. At the beginning, I had incontinence, dizzy spells. I passed out multiple times. The first time ever in my life that I passed out was after vaccination. And brain fog, extreme brain fog, confusion, disassociation, depression. Yeah. So it was just an onslaught of constant discomfort 24-7. And there was no way, you know, to get it to stop. The doctors didn't know what to do with it, so they just drugged me up with all kinds of medications that are supposed to help nerve pain, but really all it did is just make me a zombie.

So then I didn't feel the nerve pain, but I also couldn't feel anything else. I didn't even know I was in a room sitting up or if I was in bed laying down. It was not a good way to exist. So this is certainly not what you expected. Tell me a little bit about how it is you came to be enrolled in this trial and your thinking. At the beginning of the pandemic, we were watching the mainstream media and we were very concerned about the alarming rates of of deaths and

you know hospitalizations and hospitals being overwhelmed and it was humbling enough for me to see that type of devastation that i i really wanted to be part of the solution because our country was hurting so bad at that point right right? There was chaos everywhere. So I went from collecting masks for the local hospitals. I had several friends and family members that were working in the hospitals and they were telling us that they were being required to wear bloody soiled masks on their face for days on end because there was a mask shortage. And of course, for those people that I know that were in there doing life-saving measures for people outside of COVID, it was concerning for me to know that they were not being provided the equipment that they needed to be able to do their jobs

appropriately and safely. So we started collecting masks and just started with sharing with my community, hey, if anyone has any N95 masks in their garage, let me know, I'll come pick them up. And it turned into a whole operation where we ended up collecting over 1,100 masks. And, you know, we had to smuggle them into the hospitals. This was my first indicator that there was weird bureaucratic stuff going on

was actually that. So the hospitals didn't want the N95s. They wanted to make sure that they had full control over what was coming in that their employees were using. And so even though we had clean, packaged, well cared for protection for their employees, they didn't want it. So we were meeting the nurses in the parking lots and the doctors in the parking lots, and they would smuggle them into the hospital inventory. And they were all extremely grateful for, you know, just to know that someone was watching out for them while they were watching out for the rest of us in the hospitals. So went from that to, hey, there's clinical trials going on. And we were watching the science and phase one clinical trials looked extremely well,

according to the media. Phase two, you know, same thing. And here we were in phase three. And what the media was saying was, it's time. It's time for us to just increase the numbers just enough so we can get these clinical trials done. And then we'll be able to end the pandemic by stopping the spread of COVID through these vaccines. And so that sounded like an incredible thing to participate in. I'd never had any previous problem with any vaccine before in my life. Fully vaccinated, you know, it was just no big deal.

And that all changed with this one dose of the COVID vaccine. Chart to me the process of getting from that day to, you know, finding these dietary changes to getting diagnosed and treated by NIH to today? After my injury, the drug company was gone, right? Like we called them multiple times, we cried out for help, you know, in emails, phone calls, literally tears running down my face, like begging for them to help, which is what they should have been doing with what they agreed to in our contract. The contract that the drug company signed with me states that they will help me physically, medically, and financially if there was a

research-related injury. And they didn't either. So my husband, of course, at this point, I was holed up in my room in the dark, just writhing in pain and just trying to survive. And of any sort, actually. It basically was incredibly difficult for you to take, even like being touched. Yeah. So if you can imagine, you know, like if you're at a sporting event and someone blows like a bull horn right next to your ear, that physical recoil that you have, that your body just ignites your entire body to move away. My body was doing that with the sound of running water, the sound of my husband's pants swishing as he walked, the dog or dog panting. So these just strange higher pitched frequencies were absolutely unbearable. So my children couldn't be around me. There's multiple times where I

pushed my children away during that time just because, and it's, it was just because it was that horrific of a physical response. My teeth were so sensitive, I couldn't brush my teeth. And so with all of the sensory, you know, overload, Yeah, I was isolated. There was, I was on my own. It was like solitary confinement. There was no entertainment, nothing to break it, break free from it. So my husband reports my injury to the National Institutes of Health, and that was January 11th, 2021. So if you think about January 2021, the vast majority of America still had yet to even be able to have the opportunity to get their first dose. So January 11th is when the NIH started a study on neurological complications to the

COVID vaccines. They already were receiving reports from Moderna, Pfizer, and J&J people that were injured with the same cascade of symptoms that I was experiencing. And that's when an official government body really started investigating this. And they started flying people out, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, vaccine-injured people, to collect their samples, figure out what exactly is going on in their bodies. But then they also went a step further to give diagnoses. So I was diagnosed with post-vaccine neuropathy and therapies. And they tracked how we were progressing with these therapies that they had given us over

several weeks. So that was a span of from January to August. So it was a longer process with them. But in the meantime my doctors at home were not cooperating with the NIH. They were not following the NIH's instructions. They were you know typical corporate health care system where vaccine injuries are not a real thing. If they were a real thing, they would have, you know, been disclosed by the drug companies because they're required to by law to disclose the side effects of their products to the public and to the medical community. So it was, you it was two very different sides to the same coin.

And at that point, we experienced a lot of panic at the beginning. I remember telling my husband, I was like, please, just tell me that this is going to go away, that this is going to get better. And he kept repeating back to me, yes, there's no way a vaccine can do this. So yes, this is going to get better. It's going to be okay. And that desperation of just needing to get my life back, my health back, some kind of relief from the pain turned into loss and a substantial loss. And with that went, you know, like a will to live and hope.

But we were able to work through that and, you know, through a lot of work to pull out of it. But on the other side of that was very simple things like food, diet modification, cleaning up the water that we drink, spiritual alignment and mental and emotional regulation. You know, you have a chapter in your book, The Darkness, that you considered suicide. What struck me in reading this chapter and just sort of the general thoughtfulness in this book by Caroline is that some of the lessons on suicide might actually be applicable beyond COVID injury. It's obviously even the thought of checking out, right, and ending your life life there's so much shame that

comes with that right and because of the extreme shame with it there's a people are walking around all the time with this going on that they're struggling with and they don't say a word right and it's and in our communities it's usually the ones that are the quietest that that away and go through with it. And it's through this experience that I learned that the most important thing that we can do with anyone that's struggling with that level of loneliness, that level of despair, where that darkness does consume them to the point where they just need a break and they are considering that way out, is to remove that shame, that criticism, so we can open up the doors so people can talk about it, they can explore it,

they can find those supportive networks that are available to help them through it. But yeah, I mean, for me, it was probably some of the hardest work I've ever done emotionally, mentally, ever in my entire life was getting out of that place. Because at that point, I'd been suffering for several months. I hadn't been able to sleep at all because the discomfort was so bad the only thing I control could control was my own breathing but this is something else that I felt that I could control right I could I could control you know finishing my own existence that was the only other thing I could control right and there's there's a certain romantic appeal to having that kind of

control right and just being able to have a break which is what most people need they just need a break from the pain emotionally or physically that they're experiencing there's a certain element of at least my my journey through this where my sense of identity was gone, right? So as a preschool teacher before this, I was a mom that was active in my community and, you know, organizing all these different events for my kids and the other kids in our community. And we had this beautiful, typical, thriving, happy life, American life. And it was beautiful. And then it, within a matter of months, had transformed into this profound level of pain and suffering that was shrouded in an illness that was so politically charged that, you know, this topic was never going to

see the light of day. That's where, and there was no end to the suffering. There was no break. So who I was was completely gone. And I allowed that to consume me with the pain to the point where it just needed to be done. And facing that is harder than running from it. And death is actually another way of running from the problems. Turning around my emotions mentally and just turning around to face that reality of my new existence was the hardest thing I ever did. Tell me about your husband finding these letters that you had written to you know your family. Yeah so obviously I have kids that I love more than life itself.

When things were at their worst, I wrote them these letters. And looking back on it now, now that I have my thinking, my brain has clicked back into place, and I'm no longer dealing with the brain fog, the letters were so incoherent. I can't believe that I almost left that as like a final testament to my kids because they were so poorly written. And it was very obvious that someone very, very ill had written them. So I had written them and my husband, who was at this point in a constant crisis phase, he was trying to keep the family together. He was trying to keep the kids literally alive, right? Because there was no longer their mom taking care of them all the time.

He was trying to keep his job. And then he was also trying to keep me alive. And so he found these. And for him, it was like this deep sense of like hurt and betrayal that I had even gone there. And he was so angry it was the first time in our marriage I had ever seen him so just like deeply hurt and and angry I think it hurt him you know more than anyone else obviously but also through that experience he he really redoubled his efforts to make sure that he's like no i have to save my wife i have to make sure that this that somehow this is

resolved i can't lose her i can't lose my family um yeah you know the thing that was incredibly hopeful through this is just, again, going back to diet. Like the diet actually helped you think clearly again. Yeah. So explain that. So my own concept of that is that it was a chemical response going on in the body. And so my brain was not right. And it was very obvious that it was chemical. And until the inflammation came down in the brain, nothing was going to help.

There was no amount of like a therapy session that was going to do anything until this chemical response was brought down. And so the food really, you know, getting rid of wheat was the first thing. And who knows if it's the glyphosate or just the fact that wheat is pretty darn inflammatory. But just dialing that back just a little bit, all of a sudden I was able to see beyond just my own suffering. And one of the first things that came out of it for me was this just sense of clarity of, oh my gosh, I almost walked out on my family. I almost destroyed my family for life, right? And then dealing with that shame and that, you know, like, I can't believe that that was me, that I, their number one protector, almost, you know, did that. But we have had people in the groups that have ended their lives.

And it's really through that process, we've learned a lot more about ourselves when that happens. And we've learned, you know, that just the permanence of death, because when you're in in that situation you don't really think about that part of it. You don't think about the family members that are going to be left behind. You don't realize that the people that you've connected with even just online that are dealing with the same issue how this is going to impact them because you're just thinking about just needing it to be done. But I remember that when the food started clearing things up mentally, I also was doing a lot of hard mental work with acceptance and acceptance therapy. And this is something that I really try to get, you know, others in my situation to start thinking about, because once again, it's the same thing it's so hard to instead of running from your problem to turn to face it and with this the only way through it is to look at it and face it head-on for exactly what it is for how hard it is and to start working through every one of the aspects of it

that are that are just literally challenging to live with on a daily basis. For people who are faced with someone in their family, a child realizing they're contemplating suicide, they're in a very dark place, you often don't know what to do in these kinds of situations. But maybe something that you can do from, you know, I hadn't thought about it, frankly, before, is actually just get them off the sort of feel-good, highly processed foods. Maybe that little bit could actually help

somebody. And it, you know, certainly couldn't hurt to get off of that processed stuff, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's just a thought, right? Yeah, and it's a good step one because doing research on neuroinflammation, which is actually the foundation for depression, there's a lot of stuff physiologically that's going on. So people that are depressed, it's not just in your head. There's a lot of stuff physiologically that's going on. So people that are depressed, it's not just in your head. There's a lot that goes into it. Food, you know, medications do it all the time, right? Like Kim Witzak, I know that you've talked with her. that our society is doing that contributes to this crisis where people are not able to

experience joy in a natural way, in a format that is going to feed those parts of the brain that help them feel purpose, that help them feel a sense of love and life and, you know, and have them look forward to the next day. And we've got to get back to that. We've really learned through different surveys that we've done. We always wanted to figure out, you know, what would drive people to do this? What are the specific elements there that would cause people to reach out for these very desperate final methods, as you would say. And we've asked them, what are some of the things that would help you the most mentally, emotionally? And number one is supportive family. A very, very close number two is a supportive community.

And even without an illness, those are two things that in society right now are completely fractured. And they're not headed in a direction that's good for anyone. To the point of there being some sort of chemical issue, you know, some of our viewers may be aware that I was once, I once had Guillain-Barre syndrome years ago. And before I was diagnosed with it, I actually sought treatment for depression. And in retrospect, I think this was the onset, sort of slow onset of these symptoms

and these kind of imbalances and this inflammation. I had no idea that even though I was a biologist, that inflammation was such a central cause of all the problems in people's lives. But what you're discussing really kind of resonates. REACT-19. Tell me about, very briefly, how REACT-19 was formed and where you're at today. React 19, it really was created because the government wasn't doing their job. And because they weren't going to do it, we had to. So a bunch of us that are injured by the COVID vaccines got together and started a 501c3 nonprofit. And our goals are pretty simple. We are dedicated to providing physical, emotional, and financial support to people that are harmed by the COVID

vaccines, which right now we represent over 36,000 people in the United States alone. And we have a partnership with over 20 other countries with other organizations that are founded by the injured for the injured, just like we are. You know, the federal compensation programs globally are broken and people can't get disability for an illness that still is not acknowledged. There's not even a diagnosis code for it. So, yeah, the organization has been a lifeline for people and it's been such a gift to see how this community, you know, has not survived this, you know, a sense of, not community, but like a place in this world. And the organization has been one of the vehicles for that. So you actually support people who, you know, just are dealing with the after-effects of the injury

yeah that's that's our main goal right because I mean that the study at the NIH that we were in nobody knows about that study nobody knows about the therapies that they were doing on us but we do so what better way for us you know to help others than to give that information to other people exactly like us that could benefit from that information? So we have some of the secrets at the NIH that we can share. We have financial resources that we can provide for people that are in need. There's an underground network of providers that we have that are doctors that will acknowledge vaccine injury and help these people, which believe it or not, there's a huge crisis in corporate health care right now where these doctors are not allowed to

write down vaccine injury in people's charts. And how are you going to treat something if you can't even look at what could be causing it, right? So it's been an incredible amount of work, but it's also been an incredible gift to be able to do this. But so, for example, there's, you know, a child that was injured and healthy kid, totally, you know, typical eight year old kid. She ended up in a wheelchair and diapers and her parents desperate trying to help her took her to a major hospital system in the state and they they locked her up, and they put her in the psych ward. This kid was in the psych ward for a long time, and of course, because they were treating her as a psych patient, her condition continued to get worse. So her family found and worked with Stephanie and Maddie DeGarry, and they worked with our provider network, our underground network of providers.

The mom broke her kid out of the psych ward, took her to a doctor on our network three states away, and through the CARE Fund, which is the compensation program that we independently run, she was able to fund getting her daughter the therapy that she needed. She walked into school that fall as if nothing had happened to her. So all of the programs that we've developed, they work together in concert to build a avenue for healing for the people that literally have no avenue. There's nothing for them.

And the government has actually made a pretty good effort, effective effort, at making sure that any avenue that we have has been blocked. So the programs are essential. But Joel Walskog, who's my co-founder at React19, he's an injured orthopedist, he says it all the time. He's like, we have a five-year plan to not exist in five years because if we will have succeeded at the work that we want to do, the government will be doing all of this themselves appropriately. So we want nothing more than for React 19 not to be needed and to not exist. And hopefully, you know, at some point, we'll be able to achieve that goal. And you mentioned Maddie Degary, who, of course,

you talk about in your book. And of course, we've met together. And she is a teenager that volunteered for a COVID vaccine trial and was injured and has been through all sorts of tribulations, not as nearly as quickly kind of recovered as this other young woman that you're describing. Maybe briefly tell me about Maddie's case and where she's at today. So Maddie is an incredible kid, the most vibrant, sassy, hilarious kid I've ever met. And she talks with my kids, they're little friends, you know, but she was full of life. She was doing cartwheels, backhand springs, playing basketball, soccer, doing TikTok videos, you know, the dance videos that all the kids do. And she was in the clinical trial with Pfizer. Now, still four years later, is in a wheelchair. She has a permanent feeding tube installed

in her stomach now. And she has been through a horrific experience of not being recorded appropriately by the clinical trial company. She was inappropriately investigated by the FDA. She was not cared for after her injury by the drug company or the hospital that was running the clinical trial. In fact, she was gaslit, you know, abandoned, abused. She also, the NIH came in and provided some guidance to her doctors as well, which her doctors just like mine ignored the instructions from the NIH and gaslit her anyway. She has a litany of well-documented medical records that show very clearly that there is something physiologically wrong with her body and nobody would take her seriously for years. So she finally was able to get access in part because of Rheac19 support to IVIG.

And that finally took the numbness and weakness from her body that was progressing, it progressed all the way up to her belly. And just very briefly, IVIG? IVIG is an immune product, so it's a biologic. And basically it's 1,000 to 10,000 people's immune cells in a bag, IV bag, and they infuse it into your veins to dilute your own immune system's malfunctioning. So her issue is similar to mine and several others where the immune system is just misfiring all the time and it's attacking her nerves. And when it attacks your nerves, your nerves are everywhere in your body right I mean it's not just the sensation of skin you know burning or cold sensation

but they also the nerves are in your heart so they make your heartbeat correctly they make your digestive system you know function and process food correctly so and also is all over in your brain. So if these nerves are not functioning healthy and correctly, you're going to have problems all over your body, which is why these vaccine injuries and also long COVID are so, you know, systemic. And it's a body-wide problem. And it's so hard for people to grasp what's going on in their own body because it's stuff's firing off everywhere. And it doesn't make any sense because all of a sudden your GI tract literally turns off. You all of a sudden

can't swallow, but then also your heart rate will just be going up. And then all of a sudden you'll pass out for no reason, all at the same time. And then you have tinnitus or pins and pricks all over your body. So this 12-year-old girl was dealing with that level of problems and she was having multiple seizures a day. She couldn't lift her head up for a very long time. She couldn't see correctly. They left her for dead. The drug companies did, and the government did, and her mom did everything, everything she could to try to heal her kid. And the only people that would help were, you know, people like you and people like me fighting like hell to get her body back and to recover some functioning of life. She's working in physical therapy hours, hours every single day right now, just trying to get her feet to move, her toes to move, her knees to move, you know.

My memory of her is actually just being, my being incredibly inspired by, you know, just kind of the positivity coming from this young person that's suffering so much. She's really just an incredible example to everyone in our community on just what resilience looks like and what happens when you keep your eyes on the path forward instead of what's behind you or what's currently with you. She's always working to get her life back, and it's been an incredible gift to be able to witness that firsthand. I keep thinking about how odd it is that, on the one hand,

you were actually diagnosed by the National Institutes of Health. On the other hand, they give guidance even and some doctors just won't accept that guidance because you would think that that would be the exactly the type of guidance they would accept, right? Yeah. And then the second part is there's no code for to this day right yeah so unpack that for me it's it's a classic example of what happens when you know corporate interests overtake common sense and bureaucracy as well So the diagnosis codes are very simple billing codes that everybody, that doctors use to bill for insurance. What's important about these is, you know, they can

track heart attacks, they can, you know, track cancers. There's all kinds of things that they can track through this system based on these codes. So it's very convenient, right, that there is no COVID vaccine injury diagnosis code because then you can't actually query in the system to find a rate of incidence to figure out what other comorbidities there may be with these people that have a vaccine injury, right? So it's – And just to be clear, this isn't like every this is, you know, relatively not a common thing, but it's just a very but it's a very real thing. And this is I think this is difficult for people to understand.

Like it's not doesn't the same thing doesn't happen to everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's I mean, there's like in the surveys that we've done people report 20 symptoms on average and it's like we said it's body wide right so but we do have an incredible health system that can track that information and help kind of delineate you know symptom clusters so then we can maybe figure out what therapies are working for what what types of injuries have. But we're not tracking that because we're not generating the data in the first place. But the data collection databases that there are, those are all in full control of the federal government. So whoever is controlling the federal government is controlling that data, right? And over the last four years, they have not been

transparent at all with the VAERS information, the V-safe information like ICANN. That's tracking the injuries. Yes. Yes, exactly. So ICANN is an incredible law firm that has been putting forth, you know, really been on the forefront of trying to access that information from the federal government and they have sued multiple times to get information from the VAERS system which is tracking the vaccine injuries and the v-safe data which was also tracking the the vaccine injury data and the information if you go on their website I can decide calm they have an incredible database that has opened up access to this information to the public. But they had to sue repeatedly to get that information. So now we're just finally beginning

to unpack what it is that the federal government had as far as the information related to the COVID vaccine injuries. In lieu of that, though, the CMS codes, which, you know, the billing codes that are controlled by CMS, that's a database that's created that medical providers, medical researchers can access. And that's the database that we don't exist. So we can't be found in any kind of database that the public or anyone beyond the government can access, which I think is a very concerning problem. It sounds like you may have some kind of a wish list for the new HHS and sub-agencies, you know, NIH, the FDA. Yeah. I'm just guessing. The to-do list is very long. We've unearthed more problems than we can solve in the last four years. And the problems that we had four years ago are still the same problems that we have today. So one, obviously, is the diagnosis codes, making sure that we have a reasonable way to monitor

what's going on with any pharmaceutical outside of the government system. And we have compensation reform. That's a big one. I don't think people realize that when you're harmed by a COVID vaccine, you can't sue. You can't sue anyone. There is no accountability coming, which is against everybody's essential constitutional rights.

If you have a problem with a peanut, like if you have a peanut allergy, you can say that you have a peanut allergy without, you know, people getting defensive, right? If you say you have a vaccine injury, you're met with a very emotional, confrontational response. And that's not because vaccine injury is, you know, alarming. It's because people have been programmed to have that response to a vaccine injury, right? Instead of, oh, it's like a peanut allergy. So you're having a problem with this product. Okay. Let's make sure you don't get that product anymore. Instead it's, oh, well, you must be anti-vax. You must be anti-this. You must be anti this you must be anti-science instead of no i was i was your game player that's why i got the vaccine and now i'm injured but with with how this is structured um we're not allowed to be seen as just people with a medical condition.

That's all this is. This is just a medical condition. This is not a political stunt. This is literally just a physiological reaction to a new pharmaceutical product that, you know, coincidentally, we can't sue for. So all products cause harm. Everything, right? At some rate, at some rate. Yes, every pharmaceutical causes harm. And for all pharmaceuticals other than vaccines, can sue you can hold the drug companies to account and this actually motivates drug companies to make safer products because they don't want to get sued that takes their profit margins way down right but because the the government has stepped

in in the middle between the consumer and the drug company and said, we'll take care of the compensation piece, right? You just, drug companies, you make these products and then people, you take them, we'll cover the people if there's a problem. Now the drug companies are off the hook, right? There is no reason for them to make safer vaccines. And we all know with the massive amount of fines that the drug companies have paid over the years for corruption and fraud and all kinds of things, I really, really, really don't think that they're

going to just do the right thing, you know, for the good of humanity, it's definitely going to be profits first. And we've seen this in the past with, you know, big tobacco, for example. The opioid crisis is a good recent example of this action. Vioxx comes to mind. And Vioxx, yes. I mean, these are all classic examples of the drug companies doing what they do best and making an insane amount of money in the process and really not wanting to pick up the collateral damage. What's different about this is the government has absolved them of any obligation to pick up and clean up any of the collateral damage. So let's talk about some of these, some of these, you know, nominations for

positions in the health system. Bobby Kennedy Jr. for HHS secretary, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya for the head of NIH, Dr. Marty McCary for the head of FDA. They're definitely what you would, some people describe them as disruptors or, you know, people really have a different view than past administrators of such agencies. So your thoughts? It's interesting for me because before my vaccine injury, I thought that all these guys were crazy, right? Because the only information that I was getting about these people was really actually completely untrue information that I know now. But through my own process of

my injury and understanding how politics works and seeing this firsthand, I've been in the room when the news happens, right? I've been in rooms where you've got a wall of cameras and you have media people with, you know, a dozen or two dozen media people all sitting there listening to the statements going on in the room. And then I've seen what they actually share with the public. The press conference that we did with Senator Ron Johnson in Wisconsin in June of 2021, and it was wall-to-wall cameras, and about the people harmed, nothing about our literal, like, tear-filled pleas for help. It was all about Senator Ron Johnson, misinformation spreader.

And so now I see the game. I understand firsthand how it's played, and I've seen it over and over and over and over. So now now you know go ahead no no if I may comment yes right something strikes me from your book here there's this moment where you're start you're suffering with your injury you're sort of not even sure you want to talk about it too much because that may prevent other people from you know believing in these life-saving therapies did I did I read that right yeah what I'm thinking to myself is I wonder how many people that are writing these really different narratives from what experience might be having a similar

thought yeah and that's that's one that's the main reason why we put this book together right is because we wanted to be able to provide a perspective for the people that were just like us or are just like how we were. You know, that they want to think and they believe it in their heart that society inherently is good, that the media inherently, there's so many people that are working in media, there's no way if there was this type of corruption going on, there would be people saying so, right? I mean, there's this belief that people are looking out for each other, that if there was this level of evil, that there would be, you know, a groundswell of, you know, outcry that would happen. But what these people don't understand is when the media has whistleblowers, they get shut down and fired and canceled, like just destroyed.

When you have whistleblowers in the government, it's the same thing, right? Whistleblowers in the drug companies, they are done, right? Like they're destroyed. Every time someone pops up their head to cry out and talk about the actual, you know, darker side of what's really going on with this control of information, they get shot down and they're deplatformed. And when they're deplatformed, then their voice is removed. And that's been one of the most dangerous parts about the lessons from the pandemic, right, is that there's still this process of by which information is completely controlled that is goes so against what we as Americans have been trained to understand about about the

flow of information in the United States that people are completely blind to to what the true issues are so so what do you think is going to happen now there's a there's a new administration which the Maha movement that you described played probably a significant role in getting into power. What are your expectations? I think this is an incredible opportunity for an awakening. And in many ways, I feel that the Trump administration really is our final chapter in stepping up and weeding out the corruption. I have an incredible amount of hope that through this next four years, we're going to see some substantial change, in Kennedy's word, with radical transparency, which is exactly what we need.

So you have very high expectations. I do. I do. It's... I do. At the same time, I understand that, you know, we're probably not going to get everything that we need. But at the same time, I do have an acute... I'm inspired by the fact that Trump, when that bullet grazed his ear, that he stood up, right? He didn't stay laying down.

He stood up and he faced the people that were there to support him. And he told them to fight. You know, and in that moment, just like everybody else, I looked at this man. I was like, that's a leader. That's the guy.

That's the guy that's going to be able to stand up against whoever is doing this to him and say, no, I'm ready to lead this country into a new age. If there's anybody that can do it, it's going to be him. What will people find in your book worth a shot? The book, it's a story of hope. It's a story of love. It's a story of resilience. It's a story of every, I think everybody can relate to it because it talks a lot about loss and overcoming. A lot of people, especially in the COVID vaccine world, a lot of people that are injured by the COVID vaccines, they were hard blue, buried, died in the wall, Democrats.

And a lot of our family members can't understand how we went from this wild paradigm shift to seeing what we see now. But this book actually walks people through that process. And so even if people are, it's not just for people that believe what we believe. We've wrote it for people that don't believe what we believe so they can begin to understand the human cost to censorship, the human cost to drug companies being able to do what they want without consequence. So you've been involved in a lawsuit with the Biden administration. What's the situation with that now? Yeah, so obviously during our vaccine injuries, we were crying out for help online.

And as soon as our voices gained momentum and we started growing very viral on social media and speaking out on the mainstream media once they started picking it up, these briefings started popping up at the White House showing that we were gaining some momentum. And Flaherty, who works at the White House with Biden, instructed social media companies to shut us down. And so here we are. We're suing them for violating our First Amendment rights. But we're not doing it for ourselves. We're doing it to make sure that anyone that is crying out for help online with a true story, through a true experience, true lived experience, will be able to do so without being censored. And also our support groups were shut down. So of course, that's also a violation of

First Amendment, right? You know, so we're doing this to protect freedom of speech and also our freedom to assemble for every American, not just people that are harmed. And yeah, so we filed that with Ernest Ramirez, who lost his son due to myocarditis after Pfizer, Susanna Newell, Sean Barkovage, Nikki Holland, and Christy Dobbs. These are all injured people that were censored. Their support groups were censored. And we're going after the Biden administration for violating our First Amendment rights. It's currently sitting with the courts. And with the change of administration, we'll see what the new administration decides to do with the case. But we're suing for $1. So, you know, this is how constitutional cases work.

But we're hopeful that we'll be able to see some resolution on that. This has been an amazing update. Any final thoughts as we finish? Yeah, if people are struggling, if they're struggling just with their families not believing them, if people are struggling even, you know, politically with their family members just, you know, abandoning them, if people are feeling alone, just remember that there is an incredible community that cares about you, that you really do matter, and the world needs you. You know, there's resources out there. There's resources at react19.org, and there's people that

do value you and your voice. So that's probably what I would end with. Well, Breanne Dressen, it's such a pleasure having you on. Thanks for having me.