An Army of Normal Folks - Carrie and Paul Moore: The Couple Who Had A Secret (Pt 1)

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

And the story of how it was revealed in the most beautiful way possible, while serving with Sleep in Heavenly Peace! This couple has led their Gadsden, Alabama chapter to delivering 1,656 beds to kids without them. Support the show: https://www.normalfolks.us/premiumSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We are getting ready to leave and the mom is thanking us again and she looks up at her daughter at the top of the stairs and she said, baby, it's okay to cry. And her daughter flew down those stairs and she jumped into my arms and grabbed me and squeezed tight and she whispered in my ear, this is going to be the best Christmas ever. And it's because they had beds to sleep in. Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. I'm a normal guy.

I'm a husband. I'm a father. I'm an entrepreneur and I've been a football coach in inner city Memphis. And that last part, it somehow led to an Oscar for the film about our team. That film is called Undefeated. Y'all, I believe our country's problems will never be solved by a bunch of fancy people in ice suits talking big words

that nobody understands on CNN and Fox, but rather by an army of normal folks, us, just you and me deciding, hey, you know what? Maybe I can help. That's what Kerry and Paul Moore have done. Their second story on Sleep in Heavenly Peace, and they've helped lead one of their 326 chapters who've built over, get this, 140,000 beds for kids that don't have beds.

And for Carrie, the mission is all too personal, which is why we just had to tell this story. I cannot wait for you to meet them right after these brief messages from our generous sponsors. ["The New York Times"] For decades, the mafia had New York City in a stranglehold with law enforcement seemingly powerless to intervene. It uses terror to extort people.

But the murder of Carmichael Lonti marked the beginning of the end, sparking a chain of events that would ultimately dismantle the most powerful crime organization in American history. It sent the message to them that we can prosecute these people. Discover how a group of young prosecutors took on the mafia, and with the help of law enforcement, brought down its most powerful figures. These bosses on the commission had no idea what was coming their way from the federal government. From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is Law and Order, Criminal Justice System. Listen to Law and Order, Criminal Justice System on the iHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast, Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford and I've spent my career exploring the three pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you

not trust your intuition? Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions. Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the all new podcast, There and Gone. It's a real life story of two people who left a crowded Philadelphia bar, walked to their truck, and vanished. Nobody hears anything. Nobody sees anything. Did they run away? Was it an accident or were they murdered? A truck and two people just don't disappear. The FBI called it murder for hire. It was definitely murder for hire for Danielle, not for Richard.

He's your son and in your eyes he's innocent, but in my eyes he's just some guy my sister was with. In this series, I dig into my own investigation to find answers for the families and get justice for Richard and Danielle. Listen to There and Gone South Street on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hello, from Wonder Media Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, host of Womanica, a daily podcast that introduces you to the fascinating lives of women history has forgotten. This month, we're bringing you the stories of athletes. There's the Italian race car driver who courted danger and became the first woman to compete in Formula One, the sprinter who set a world record and protested racism and discrimination in the US and around the world in the 1960s, the diver who was barred from swimming clubs

due to her race and went on to become the first Asian-American woman to win an Olympic medal. She won gold twice, the mountaineer known in the Chinese press as the tallest woman in the world. And the ancient Greek charioteer who exploited a loophole to become the first ever woman to compete at the Olympic Games. Listen to Wamanica on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. our I Heart Radio Music Festival presented by Capital One coming back to Las Vegas two nights September 20th and 21st on one stage

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Paramore, Shaboosie, The Black Crowes, The Weeknd, Thomas Redd, Victoria Monet, a special performance by Coldplay's Chris Martin and more. Get your tickets to be there now at AXS.com. Kari and Paul Moore, what's up? Hello, hello, glad to be here. How are you? Oh, wonderful. Bless. Yeah.

Great. Glad to be here. We can tell from your accent you're from upstate New York, right? Yeah, that's it. Actually. LA, lower Alabama. Lower Alabama. Actually, did? Yeah, that's it. Actually, LA, lower Alabama. Lower Alabama. Actually, did you guys drive up? We did.

Oxford, Alabama, is that right? Oxford, Alabama. Where is the metropolis of Oxford, Alabama? So, I-20, if you've ever heard of the interstate, I-20 that runs between Birmingham and Atlanta. We're pretty much right inside the Alabama state line on I-20 that runs between Birmingham and Atlanta. Pretty much right inside the Alabama state line on I-20. So from Georgia. I got it. So how'd y'all meet?

Where do you meet each other in Oxford? How long you've been married? Tell me about y'all. I'll let Carrie tell this. Okay. So, um, we've been married coming up on, well, it's been 13 years and we met on Facebook. You met on Facebook? Yes. Really? Tell me how that works because Lisa and I met the old fashioned way.

So how does meeting on Facebook work? Well, it wasn't planned that way, but I had gone through a divorce and he was divorced as well, which I didn't know at the time. But he just- Would you have talked to him if you'd known? Yeah. Okay, go ahead. So he- You saw the long pregnant pause. Yeah. Yeah. He kept popping up as somebody you might know on Facebook.

So, I clicked on it and I realized that he looked familiar and our kids went to school together and all of that. I decided to send him a friend request, which was something I did not do because if I didn't know somebody, I didn't want to be their friend. I had enough friends and I had enough problems and everything else going on at that time so I just went ahead and sent him a friend request and then I Believe it was the next morning. He replied he actually replied to me He accepted it and then he replied to me on

Messenger and he said I'm trying to figure out how I might know you I don't know how I could forget a face like yours. So, it gets much better. And so, you know, and he said, you just look familiar and that sort of thing. And so I messaged back and I said, I really just wanted to know what, what you were grilling in your profile picture. And he said, Oh, it was steak. And I said, well, I love steak. And so we just started, would you like to come over and I'll cook you a steak?

Well, it did lead into that. So we just kept chatting a little bit. And then like a day or two later, he messaged me again and he said, look, I've been sitting here staring at my computer screen for over an hour now. And this is all in a text and he said, you might think I'm a lunatic. But I was thinking that if you weren't seeing anybody, maybe we could go out sometime and have maybe steak. And so I messaged back and I said, you might be a lunatic. It's very possible, but I love steak.

So we talked on the phone for two weeks before we ever met getting to know one another like teenagers staying up till two o'clock in the morning and saying, oh my goodness, I have to go to bed. And then we finally went out to eat and that was our first date and we've been together ever since. That is fantastic. Here's the thing though, about three ago. I found out it was not steak What was it hamburgers and hot dogs you lied?

Burger is actually ground up steak. So you like technically So you guys have eight kid how How's that work? We do. So are yours, his, and ours kind of deal or eight? My goodness, what a family. Yes, so I gave birth to five boys. Good Lord. All boys and they range from getting ready to be 21 to 34. And then Paul has a son and two daughters, so combined we have six boys and two girls. And how many grandkids? You got to have grandkids. We do. We have 18 grandchildren and our 19th will be here in November.

Well, 17 because one's a great grandchild. Holy smokes. Has anybody in your family figured out what causes this? Some water. smokes. Has anybody in your family figured out what causes this? There's only one out of the eight that have not had children yet. Unbelievable. What a family. What a great story. So what do you both do for a living? I work for Benton Nissan in Oxford, Alabama. I am an owner loyalty manager there, but I've been there 14 years. So I've started in starting up the internet department sales, starting up the sales BDC

and now owner loyalty manager. I work for a company called M communications. We're a major subcontract for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, a lot of dash cares. Basically we make your cell phones work in house and buildings like a macro tower would do out in the world going down the interstate. We build systems so inside major stadiums and hospitals, car plants, so your cell phones work.

And that's how I explain it, but I'm a senior project engineer for my company. So here you are. you got this cool love story that was based all on a lie. And are any of these eight children your children or are they yours? No. Five's hers and three's mine. And eight are yours. So we're a blended family and yes, all of our kids are our kids. That's Brady Bunch plus two. That's phenomenal. I grew up as an only child and I always wanted a big family and God blessed me with that.

Oh girl, you got it. I did too. And we have four. And the greatest blessing of my life. So I get it completely. You know, you've got your job and career that if you've been married 13 years and you were 14 years, so I mean, you had your world, you have your world, you know, and you have this family and things are going great. And then you decided to then you decided to serve in your community? I mean, what, how did it as a couple or an end? How did, how did the call to serve happen in your life? Because listen, you have a beautiful story, but you're living, you know, great, but really kind of unremarkable lives like most of us just doing normal life. But then you feel a need to serve in some way?

What happened? I can tell you how it started for me is through surrendering. Giving my heart to Jesus allowed me to see that no matter what you've gone through in your life, there's hope found in Him. And I just wanted so badly for other people to experience that and know that there's help in this world that can be given. And so I was set on fire after I was saved, and that was at 37 years old. I was saved. Were you at all faithful before that? Yes.

Yeah. I was saved when I was a little girl, but I think I just went through like an emotional salvation where all the kids are doing it and you go down to do it and I always believed in God but I wasn't living for him at all and so I had gone through a divorce I was just making poor choices I was lonely I was just miserable and I had hit rock bottom and so I actually had a customer who invited me to church and I went in the day that I went that same day the pastor who was preaching the message kept saying if you're lost don't leave this building

defeated and and I kept thinking why am I feeling like he's talking to me I'm already saved you know I felt like someone was talking and talking and talking. In my head, I was like, well, maybe next time. Don't go down there. And there was a lot of other things that led up to it, but he kept saying it. And then he said, hey, Jay, play that song one more time. And when he did, I knew he was talking.

He said, this is for you. And so I went down, and I just gave my heart to the Lord, all of it. I said, I can't do this. I need you. And from that moment on, I knew that I was supposed to get out in this world and help other people. And then when Paul and I met, we just,

I think it's in our DNA to help others, we started a nursing home ministry. Our church has small groups and we decided that's what we wanted to do. And so we had a group of people every Wednesday evening. We would go in and just meet with residents, people going through rehab. And it's just, it brought so much joy to us. We thought it would be a blessing to others, but it really was blessing us. What about you, Paul? Yeah, so for me, I think, you know, it started out when I was a child, my dad was a deacon in our local church and there was a falling out, split of the church issues.

And then when dad and mom left the church, of course, us as kids, I was probably around 12. I was saved at 10. We left the church, of course us as kids, I was probably around 12. I was saved at 10. We left the church at 12 and then mom and dad didn't go to church for a long long time so I didn't go to church. So I ended up around my friends that also didn't go to church and I started living basically like everybody else that didn't know anything about. Use the word you always use, like a heathen. Like a heathen, yeah. But anyway, as I kind of matured and become a young man, those ways just followed me for a long time. I was kind of off and on for a while. I went through a divorce and, you know, that's a long story in itself. But I went through a divorce and it was a bad divorce as far as for me emotionally and

everything and I kind of turned and just did have no respect for women whatsoever for a long time. So I was a bad person because now women was just objects to me. I didn't care about them, you know, and so I lived a long time taking, not giving it all, but just taking. And then of course when Carrie and I met, like she said a while ago, we talked for two weeks before we ever met each other. We went to have our stay. Now I look back on it, I think that is such a wonderful thing. We got to know each other and talk and really explore who each other really was without

any kind of physical contact, attractions or anything. It was just all over the phone and texting. And so when we met, even though I was pleasantly surprised, she was – her profile picture says she was on Facebook because you know I run into that through the dating scene. I've tried dating apps through all the years you know and you meet someone who's like, hey that's not your profile picture. It's like either that was your daughter or that was you 30 years ago.

I don't know. But anyway so when we met and got to go out, we feel like we knew each other. But I was still living in the world hard, and she was a new Christian, and she invited me to her church. And of course, my first thing is, hey, you go to a big church. I don't want to go to a big church. I'm a country boy that likes small churches. And she was persistent, and I ended up going. The very first time, I felt something.

I felt the nudging of the Lord, and it took a while. I didn't like Carrie. I just followed it a little harder than she did. But anyway, after a couple weeks, our pastor—and I tell everybody, it was a big church. We sat up in the balcony, but for some reason, I didn't know who he was he was but he knew who I was and I felt like he was staring at me every single week And it was just him bringing me God's Word which God had plans for me I didn't know it at the time But God had plans for me and you know part of that plan was I had to get my life back and give my life to Christ

And fully be devoted so when I first did and I went and rededicated my life and you know, and honestly, I even later on got rebaptized just because when I got baptized as kids, I didn't even know what it represented. So I wanted the world to know I was a changed man. I was not who I used to be. Yeah, trying not to get emotional too, but anyway, I just want the world to know I was a changed man, so I made that outward expression of my salvation and just show people,

hey, I was of the world, now I live in Christ, and I still mess up. Being a Christian don't make you perfect. It actually- Oh, it's far from. It just actually, you know, I say it gives me more of a conviction. So I watched, we just listened to a comedian on the way up here. And he was just talking about, you know, his wife never says she's sorry, but he walks around with a bag of them, just handing them out freely because he's out. So, you know. She never wants any of them here. Because I still have a lot of worldly tendencies and most of mine is just, you know, sometimes

I say things I may not should have said. If I could go back in time, I'd take a lot of stuff back. But when I offend somebody, if I say something, God deals with my heart and I have to go find them. I mean, I cannot. He does. I cannot go along without finding them and say, hey I'm sorry, you know, I was out of line or I shouldn't have said this or whatever. But getting back to the whole reason of how we started, I think I first started serving

under just basically feeling like I needed to make up for a lot of the things I took, which is not the right reason to be serving. But I think that's how I started. But God has just placed a desire in my heart to help others. I actually love people and that's part of my prayer. A lot of times is God help me to see people like you see them and love them like you love them, not how the world sees them. We all have a point of view of how we think someone is, but ours is a single point of view. It's not very much data compiled to make those decisions. So,

when I see people, I don't know what they went through that day. I don't know what they, how they've grown up. They may have grew up in an abusive environment, so I don't know what's formed them to who they are. So, I'm certainly not going to pass judgment on them. They just need a positive influence and a positive light in their life and that's what I just want to be. I just want to be something positive so they can see people care about them and they're not alone in this world.

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science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford and I've spent my career exploring the three pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition? Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks?

And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives. Join me weekly to explore the relationship between your brain and your life by digging into unexpected questions. Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Andrea Gunning, host of the all-new podcast There and Gone. It's a real life story of two people who left a crowded Philadelphia bar,

walked to their truck and vanished. Nobody hears anything, nobody sees anything. Did they run away? Was it an accident or were they murdered? A truck and two people just don't disappear. The FBI called it murder for hire. It was definitely murder for hire for Danielle, not for Richard. He's your son, and in your eyes he's innocent, but in my eyes he's just some guy my sister was with.

In this series, I dig into my own investigation to find answers for the families and get justice for Richard and Danielle. All that they know. Listen to There and Gone South Street on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, from Wonder Media Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, host of Womanica, a daily podcast that introduces

you to the fascinating lives of women history has forgotten. This month we're bringing you the stories of athletes. There's the Italian race car driver who courted danger and became the first woman to compete in Formula One. The sprinter who set a world record and protested racism and discrimination in the U.S. and around the world in the 1960s. The diver, who was barred from swimming clubs due to her race and went on to become the first Asian-American woman to win an Olympic medal.

She won gold twice. The mountaineer, known in the Chinese press as the tallest woman in the world. And the ancient Greek charioteer, who exploited a loophole to become the first ever woman to compete at the Olympic Games. Listen to Wamanica on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Our iHeartRadio Music Festival, presented by Capital One, coming back to Las Vegas. Tonight, September 20th and 21st, on one stage.

Stream live only on Hulu. A weekend full of superstar performances. Never seen before collaborations. And once in a lifetime artist moments you'll have to see to believe. Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com. Don't miss Asap Rocky, Big Sean, Camila Cabello, Dogecat, Dua Lipa, Gwen Stefani, Halsey, Hoseyre, Keith Urban, New Kids on the Block, Paramore, Shaboosie, The Black Crows, The Weeknd, Thomas Redd,

Victoria Monet, a special performance by Coldplay's Chris Martin and more. Get your tickets to be there now at AXS.com. I grew up, dad left when I was four, mom was married and divorced a number of times, but for all of the difficulty in my childhood, my mom kept me in church. Then I went off to college in Ole Miss. I didn't spend a lot of time at church and college and had a lot of baggage in my life. This was also where I grew up and really got, I mean, like I think Harry said, I always believed in God and I guess I did, but certainly it wasn't a paramount thing in my life at all, primary or probably on the list of the top 20 candidly

And when Lisa and I were married we started having children Lisa Sat me down one day and said You're doing good in business, you know all of that but You're really failing. I was like, thanks, I appreciate it. Nice. I said, do you understand as father and the husband, you're supposed to be the spiritual leader of our household? And I just was like, wow. Wow and Much like you I was resistant and defensive and

Anyway that led Lisa and me to get ourselves right and It was my wife So we have that in common. Yeah Yeah, yeah, okay good women Wasn't ashamed say what how they bleed and how they felt so and I do try to be the spiritual leader of our family and I'm just, you know, but I always go back to, you know, I don't want to be domineering because if you're doing what's right, just like Christ loved the church, when you truly love something, I put her interest first.

Which is interesting because when you talk about you want to see other people, how Christ sees them and you want to love other people, how Christ loves them, even if you don't know them, that is an unconditional thing that is very difficult for we humans to adapt to. What's it like Carrie to raise five boys on your own? Wow. Crazy. They're all good boys. I mean, they were rambunctious

and I'll never forget the hospital visit because my son was trying to clean his ear with a Q-tip and his brother popped his hand so that. That's what stuff brothers do. And you know, then there's blood on the Q-tip and did he bust his eardrum and all that, which thank God he didn't. But I mean, they were boys. I used to tell them when they were little, y'all are fighting now, but when you grow

up, there's going to be a day you need each other and you're going to remember this and you're going to say, I'm not helping you. But they do, they're close and they go fishing and play ultimate frisbee golf and camping and all that stuff. So it's come back around to where they are. How do you reconcile? I'm going to leave a marriage with five sons on my own. That had to have been an incredibly difficult decision for you.

It was very difficult being a single mom with five children, but it was also the best decision for what was happening. I grew up with some very bad. My first marriage was a nightmare. He tried to kill me. He was a control freak and literally locked me in the house with a padlock on the outside of the door while he went to work so that nobody would break in while he was gone.

I wasn't allowed to talk to people or look at people. It was just very, very difficult. That lasted for seven years. And then that was my first three. My second two was complete opposite. He just wanted to be a friend. It was more like a friendship. And then it turned into struggles as well. At that point, before I met Paul, I said, I don't need another man in my life. I'm done. And then I did find out I needed another man in my life and his name was Jesus. When that happened, it wasn't but a couple of months and everything is just like, I know

God put us together at the right time. Do you think God told him to lie about the hamburger? Probably not. So here you are, married, combined family, eight kids, both have your careers, happy, both finding renewed sense of purpose and otherworldly love in your lives and because of that, a sense to give back and a sense to make right of your past wrongs and a sense to serve and a sense to to love your fellow man based on the way that you receive God's love is what it sounds like so there you are living in Alabama raising youring your hands, hallelujah.

On Sundays and probably Wednesday nights too. Right, rising God. That's right. So, super. But that's not even the end of the story, that's just the beginning. And so, here is the coolest thing in the world. Is Luke Mickelson, who was the founder of Sleep in

Heavenly Peace was a guest of ours. Alex, what? Your go nine months ago? Your go. And Alex told me, you know, we're going to give it a year. But I've read this cool thing about this person with and I want to as almost a follow up to sleep in heavenly peace, let them tell their story. And so we're going to break the first reveal to our listeners now.

You guys do sleep in heavenly peace, you build beds and deliver them. So how did that basis of what we know about you now translate to sleep in heavenly peace? How did it come? I want to make a bed and give it to a kid. Well, I'll start this one off and he can add to it but so back to the story when of course she invited me to church. We ended up going to that church for eight years and God really blessed us poured in the church poured into us and then we started having desire to

The outreach focus our hearts are both, you know to serving others So we started a church come to our community. That's big and outreach We didn't have a campus there, but they brought a campus to our community. We was going to both churches for a while. And I told Carrie, I said, look, we're being selfish. We're receiving, receiving, receiving, but we don't have time to give. So we had to make a decision. So we prayed about that ended up going to a church.

It's big in outreach. We become the outreach coordinators. This was probably 2019, somewhere in that area. And then 2020 hit. And with COVID and everything that was going on, our church was really pouring into the community. And Carrie and I was having to lead that effort. And it was just so much for so long. Plus we both worked full-time jobs trying to do that. And it was just tough. You know, like normal people. Yes. Right. But we made it through. I mean it was Carrie and I so you gotta look when you're an outreach coordinator most of your volunteers are retired seniors. Well when COVID hit that was the exact group that did not want to get out. Yeah they had to button down. Yeah they had to button down and so it ended up being Carrie and I and a few staff members of the church and just a couple other people and we was

trying to provide tractor trailer loads and get this out to people working full time jobs food, food, school supplies and just anything that we could get out to our community to help them. We was even even had a, like if someone needed medicine, they could call us and we would pick it up for them and deliver it, drop it off, food, drop it off, whatever it was. But we had tractor loads of food coming in was our most thing and we distributed out to the community for people who couldn't get out of their houses or didn't want to get out of their houses. That in and of itself is awesome. And it was awesome and we loved it. But the stress and everything had just become so, it was almost got to be a have to and

not a get to. Exactly. You know, and I never want to serve out of feeling like a have to. I always want to say, hey man, I get to do this and this is so awesome. So we just decided and prayed about it and said, we're gonna step back from this position. We made it through COVID, everything planed out. And so we said, we're just gonna step back and take a six month break.

So we did that and six months come and gone and we still wasn't doing anything and was praying. And I was on my way home from- 21 days of prayer and fasting. Well there was 21 days, so I was going to get to that, but I guess I should say that first. So our church has 21 days of prayer and fasting. And we was in prayer for what God wanted us to do.

And I'm not a person that's ever had visions. I'm not. I'm just the normal person, what most people think about when you, you know, about Christianity, you know, I'm not, I'm not one that's just got all these great prophesying and these gifts. My gift is just an empathetic heart. You know, I care about how people feel. But, but I had a vision at our prayer service. Let me ask you something about that.

I read that. at our prayer service. It was... Let me ask you something about that. I read that. I don't understand. I didn't understand it either. Never, I always thought... I mean, some people listening to us will think that's hokey. Yeah, well, I thought it was too. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. For decades, the Mafia had New York City in a stranglehold, with law enforcement seemingly

powerless to intervene. It uses terror to extort people. But the murder of Carmichael Lonti marked the beginning of the end, sparking a chain of events that would ultimately dismantle the most powerful crime organization in American history. It sent the message to them that we can prosecute these people.

Discover how a group of young prosecutors took on the mafia and, with the help of law enforcement, brought down its most powerful figures. These bosses on the commission had no idea and with the help of law enforcement, brought down its most powerful figures. These bosses on the commission had no idea what was coming their way from the federal government. From Wolf Entertainment and iHeart Podcasts, this is Law and Order Criminal Justice System.

Listen to Law and Order Criminal Justice System on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm David Eagleman from the podcast Inner Cosmos, which recently hit the number one science podcast in America. I'm a neuroscientist at Stanford and I've spent my career exploring the three-pound universe in our heads. We're looking at a whole new series of episodes this season

to understand why and how our lives look the way they do. Why does your memory drift so much? Why is it so hard to keep a secret? When should you not trust your intuition? Why do brains so easily fall for magic tricks? And why do they love conspiracy theories? I'm hitting these questions and hundreds more, because the more we know about what's running under the hood, the better we can steer our lives.

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Get your tickets to be there now at axs.com. So I was walking around praying and as I'm praying, I'm a pacer, you know, and I'm up and I'm walking and I'm praying. And then all of a sudden, just as clear as I'm looking at you I could see a building it had our ministry name on it the one that we had started by This is when we you know visited the elderly and built built Wheelchair ramps anything they needed to help the elderly. That's what we did at that time We helped local nursing homes beautify the place, take care of some needs that they

couldn't take care of themselves. But so I was just, and saw it. I saw it with our Shepherd's Heart sign on the building and I knew we was in there doing something. I mean I just felt it. I, I'm like I'm transported to this almost like watching it on TV and and I see it as plain as day and I just Baffled but I didn't tell Carrie right away But then I told her I said look I had a vision and I was like, I don't know what it means yet But I had a vision and do you realize when some people hear that they just don't know what it means yet, but I had a vision. Do you realize when some people hear that they just don't have a hard time believing that?

I would say I would have too. I still today, even though I've had one, I'm skeptical sometimes when I hear people say, you know, God showed me this. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, God showed me this. That's right. How saying. Yeah, God showed me this. I mean, I believe with everything I am that there's power in prayer. I believe that for whatever blessings I have in this life, they are His will and His plan for me. I believe all of that. I know it in the depths of my heart because I know how stupid and wretched I've been so I don't deserve any good I come my way. All right, I and So, you know I identify with all of that

Man even I with that true deep belief and a belief that you will never convince me is not real in my life, okay, I still struggle with a vision. And I'm not hammering you, I'm giving you the opportunity because I know there are people here in this going, that sounds beautiful, but I've also heard of the out of body experiences and we've also heard of UFOs. I mean, I know that sounds horrible. I was watching a TV show last night where a guy was talking about Christianity and that one of the reasons he recoils from it is very

conversations like we're having right now because they just can't believe that kind of stuff. Well, I can share a few things that you know, that would even kind of go into basically saying I have nothing to gain by sharing this vision with you other than just being honest. First of all, to finish that vision, I knew we was in there helping children and I didn't know how. So you saw a building with your sign. You knew you were doing something for children in there, but you didn't know quite what we

was doing. This has been, this has been 2000, I guess it was 2000. I think that was 2020. Yeah, 2020. It was 2020. And it was before we started with Sleeping in Heaven Peace, of course. I even believe God gives you ideas and puts them on your heart. Yeah. But that's not a vision. Just to say this, this vision, even though I've had it, I don't mind sharing has not come to fruition As far as the building yet, we believe it's going to But it has it so I'm not speaking something I can say hey, I had this vision and hey ma'am here it is

Yeah, because it's not it's not that but we still believe that At some point in time God God's going to get us to that point He showed us. And it may not be Shepherd's heart. It may be part of Shepherd's heart, but I know it's going to have something to do with sleep and heavenly peace, too, just because they both… We always tell people, so we love kids. I knew you were going to get there.

We love kids, and we love the elderly. So I always tell anybody, our heart is in pediatrics and geriatrics We love kids and then we love old people when they become kids again We like the people in between to know so yeah, we like the people in between but that's where But anyway, so we know God's gonna work and there's more to this story and hopefully years down the road we can share that with you. We don't know now. I can't tell you what's gonna happen, but I do know that vision to me because I'm that

same person you're talking about. I've always been skeptical of everything that I've heard when it comes to people saying, you know, God showed me this and just like I'm sitting here looking at you, he showed me that. And showed me that and I was that same person, but I know what I saw and I know it hasn't happened yet And it's been what now four years as far as the whole thing But the other part of serving kids has happened and I was driving home from Atlanta not too long after that I was but you hadn't told Carrie

Had told Carrie about my vision, but not, you know, I just told her what I saw. But I told her I didn't know what God wants us to do right now. We're both praying about that. So I'm coming home from Atlanta. I was working at Mercedes Benz Stadium. We had a big project going on there. And I was coming home and on the radio there was a advertisement for it was called a build a bed. Build a bunk? Build a bed. Okay. It was called build a bed and it's it's something that this happens but it's not a full-time thing like sleep in heavenly peace so I started I was like my heart just become overwhelmed hearing that they was provided and there was a problem with kids needing beds.

So I get home and I started looking up and I stumbled across Sleeping Heavenly Peace. Everything when I typed in Build a Bed, anything to do with building beds, come back to Sleeping Heavenly Peace. So I talked to Kerry, we prayed about it and I said, I thank God, it's leading us to start a chapter in our area. So, we actually applied to start a chapter and we did not know there was one just right down the road from us in Gadsden, which is a neighboring city to one of our, the city we live in.

And so, they got us in touch with our chapter president at the time, which was Tommy and Val Goodman. And we just started serving with them and becoming a part of it, and then we fully immersed ourselves in it. I'm gonna interrupt just to share a little bit about that was he kept saying I need to meet with Tommy, I've got to meet with him, we're supposed to talk about some stuff, and he went and had dinner with him and he said, all right, we've got it set up to go out on a delivery. And this was Paul's first delivery and I was supposed to go and I was selling a car

and I could not leave and I was so upset because I wanted to go, I was really excited. But when he came back from that first delivery, Paul was a changed man. He was on fire, he knew this is what we were supposed to be doing and he said that when they went into this home and built the bed, there was a little boy, maybe four or five years old, and they're standing there talking to the mom and he,

the little boy just comes up and he grabs Paul's hand. He looks up at him and he said, thank you for my dad. And when he did that, Paul was like, Oh, this is it. He came back and he was like was like, this is it. It melted. He came back and he was like, this is it. Okay. So before we go further, let's catch our listeners. Okay. What is Sleep in Heavenly Peace? What is it? Tell us. Okay. I know listeners who've heard Luke Mickelson's, but just briefly, tell me what Sleep in Heavenly Peace is. So it is a non-profit organization

that builds beds for children between the ages of three to 17 that do not have a bed of their own. How big a deal is child helplessness? It's huge. How huge? Oh my gosh, I mean we have 500 and something kids on our waiting list right now to receive beds. We're not a big metropolis either. No, and this is, it's a very big deal and I think that it is something that people don't realize what's behind closed doors and they think everything is okay, but it's not. I remember Luke Mickelson saying something to me

that it took me a minute to get what he was saying. But he said, it's just wrong that children put their bed on to go to school. Clothes. Yeah. And I said, what are you talking about? And he said, Bill, they come home from school, they take their clothes off and that's what they sleep on. And then they put the clothes back on and go to bed.

How are kids to learn? How are kids to feel rested? How are kids to feel good? I can't. And then I'm like, well, okay, that is horrible. But you know, how big a deal is it? And he was like, child bedlessness wasn't even a term before Luke started sleeping in heavenly peace, but

what he found out is that it really is a big issue. And if you think about how important a good night's rest is to your mental and social interactions every day, you can understand that thatlessness leads to 19 other thousand problems that plague our society. And that concludes part one of my conversation with Paul and Kerry Moore. And you don't want to miss part two that's now available. Together guys, we can change this country, but it starts with you. I'll see you in part two.

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