An Army of Normal Folks - Jenn Andrews: I Want To Be The Person That I Needed (Pt 1)

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Jenn had to amputate her right leg due to sarcoma cancer. She committed to helping patients like herself and she soon found her cause in the tragedy of insurance companies not paying for prosthetics for running, swimming, or any other athletic activity. The Move for Jenn Foundation has since paid for 63 activewear prosthetics!Support the show: https://www.normalfolks.us/premiumSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

All I could think about was, oh my gosh, I'm going to lose a limb. Like, what does life even look like? And he said to me, if you, and I'll cry talking about this, he was like, if you want to watch your kids, because my kids were three and four now, and he was like, if you want to be here to watch them, you know, go to prom, graduate high school, if you want to dance at their weddings, you're going to this and you're gonna be here. And after that, all right, there was, it was an easy decision.

Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm an entrepreneur, and I've been a football coach in inner city Memphis, and somehow that last part led to an Oscar for the film about our team. That movie's called Undefeated. I believe our country's problems are never gonna be solved by a bunch of fancy people in nice clothes using big words that nobody ever uses on CNN and Fox, but rather by an army of normal folks.

That's us. Just you and me deciding, hey, you know what, maybe I can help. That's what Jen Andrews, the voice you just heard, has done. Jen was blindsided by the awful news that she had a rare cancer called sarcoma and it ultimately led to her right foot being amputated at 33 years old. But rather than viewing herself as a victim, Jim founded Move for Gen Foundation which has since provided 63 active wear prosthetics to individuals so that they can run, swim, snowboard and any and every other kind of activity that they're looking to do that's not covered

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We'll be right back. Memphis is a cool place. You should come back one time and check it out. So Jen Andrews, everybody, is from Charlotte. I guess she took an American flight directly in here, yeah? And she is the founder of Move for Jen Foundation, which obviously is why you're here to discuss, so we'll get into that. But tell us about you. Where are you from? I'm originally from Northern New Jersey, but I-

What is Northern New Jersey? Well, okay, so obviously-? I'm originally from Northern New Jersey, but I- What is Northern New Jersey? Well, okay, so obviously- When I hear Jersey, first of all, I grew up with the you from Jersey, I'm from Jersey thing. You know what I'm talking about? I do, but there's like the Philly side of Jersey, which is like one side, then there's like the shore, which is like South Jersey, and then like to me,

North Jersey, where I'm from, Bergen County is like the New York City side. So I'm from like 20 to 25 minutes outside of Manhattan. So you're like across the water. Yes. What is that, the Hudson? The Hudson, yeah. Yeah, you're just like right there.

Well, suburbs, but yeah, a little into it. So do people from North Jersey kind of claim New York or is it like, no, I'm a Jersey person? I feel like you get a mix of both. A day? Yeah. Yeah, so did you grow up there? So I lived there from my early childhood, and then we moved to North Carolina when I was 13,

going to seventh grade, and then I moved to Charlotte for college. So I've been in Charlotte like 21, 22 years. What'd your parents do, moving around? Who leaves Manhattan for Carolina? So my mom's husband was a general surgeon, and he had an offer to come down and work for a hospital in North Carolina, and that's what brought us down here.

I got it. Yeah. But even as a kid, that means you got to spend some time in the city, I guess. Oh, yeah. All my family's up there, and so we would go multiple times a year. And then even when I was younger,

I remember my mom was always part of these theater groups. I mean, it's not like what it is now, but we're shooting all these discount tickets, and we would go to shows like every week. I mean, it's just the best. That's cool. What's your favorite show that you've ever done? Broadway show.

Oh, I don't know. And Juliet fairly recently was probably like within the last few years a pretty good one. But I don't know. There's so many good ones. There are so many good ones. I know. Alex just took his kids to see years a pretty good one. But I don't know, there's so many good ones. There are so many good ones. I know. Alex just took his kids to see the new Harry Potter one.

Oh, I have not seen that. I had neither. Okay. Lisa and I are going up soon and I think I'm gonna get some tickets for it. Not that I'm a Harry Potter guy, because I'm really not, but I think a Harry Potter musical might be pretty cool.

For sure. I feel like my daughter would like that. What's your favorite restaurant in town, in the city? So hard. I don't know, there's so many good ones. I don't know that I have a favorite. Do you like steak? Do you like Italian? I like, if I'm up there, I'm definitely, like, I'm not a steak person, I'm not like a big meat person, but if I'm up there, it's definitely gonna be Italian

or Chinese, 100%, because, I mean, we have good places in Charlotte, but not like up there. I mean, it's just so good. Angelo's was the name of the place in Little Italy that bounces up against, I guess it's Chinatown. It was on Mulberry Street, it burned down. It was there for 80 something years. They had the best, I mean, the best old school

Italian food on Faceit Plain. But I think it's been rebuilt in Jersey. I'm pretty sure of it. All right, anyway, that's a little, you're kind of a Jersey Manhattan girl, gets absconded to North Carolina, which had to have been culture shock for you. I think I cried every day for a year.

Yeah, it was a lot. But then I met my people and it was fine. So it just took me a lot. But then I met my people, and it was fine. So it just took me a minute. But like I said, my family was all from there. So we would go up a couple of times a year, and I would still get my fix of northernness. Got it. And then you went to college at?

UNC Charlotte. Charleston? Oh, UNC Charlotte. Yep. Got it. So there it is. And you're going about life, and you've been in, I guess you're a Carolina girl now. I mean, you've been there 20 years. Yeah, I mean, going about life and you've been in, I guess you're a Carolina girl now,

I mean, you've been there 20 years. Yeah, I mean, at this point, I've lived in Charlotte longer than I lived anywhere, so I feel like Charlotte is home at this point. Charlotte is home at this point, got it. So I guess you graduate college and start having kids and have a life and get a job. Yeah, it's kinda what happens.

It is, and kids, how many? I have two kids. Two kids? And all that's cool. And I think insurance or something? I don't remember. Yeah, so I was in- I read something about that.

I don't remember. I was in group insurance, so employee benefits. What does that mean? Like employee benefits. So I would do like ancillary lines, like dental, short-termterm disability long-term disability It actually is like plays a role in what I do now But I would do like those lines of coverage for businesses

So if you worked for a company that needed benefits we could provide those benefits to all the employees there Yeah, okay that did you get a degree in insurance benefit something? I had no I had a degree in communications and journalism. I guess the communications part I used because I'm constantly dealing with people. But yeah, no, I just kind of fell into insurance. I feel like nobody in insurance goes to school for insurance. You just kind of fall into it and then you either love it or you don't. I loved it, but I got to a point where I just was ready to do something else. And there just wasn't the room for growth where I was.

And so I ended up taking a different path. So I don't know, I might go back to insurance one day. You never know. Yeah, it was a good experience, though. So you've got you. You just live in life. I mean, a good life, but not anything overly remarkable. Just a normal person having a great life

I mean I was happy I was working. I had a good job. My kids were healthy. I was fine Like everything like it was fine. Everything's fine But but that didn't really explain why you had found a thing called move for gin foundation. So I Think and now I'm gonna screw this up. Okay. Okay. But as far as I know, everything was good. And you found, you went to get a pedicure and there's a bump on your toe or something.

On top of my foot. Well, that's close, right? Very close, yeah. All right, so what happened? You went to get a pedicure? Yeah, so I was pregnant. First of all. Yes. It's the greatest thing on earth. Well. I have to admit. a pedicure? Yeah, so I was pregnant. First of all, it's the greatest thing on earth. I have to admit.

A pedicure? Right, so underrated. Oh my gosh, so it's one of the guilty pleasures Lisa allows me. I love that. There's this place not 10 blocks from my house. I live in town, not 10 blocks from my house. And I get the, I think it's called the 70,

which means 55 minutes where they clip your toenails and clean it off, and then I just sit there in that hot water while they put oil and lotion and stuff on your feet. Alex, have you ever done it? No, you just lost your man card. No, I did not. In fact, I think I earned a greater man card

for having the security to go sit there with all these women and have, oh, Cashew, she ever had a pedicure? That a boy! That a boy. Is it not one of the greatest experiences on earth? You just sit there and you relax and everything else. You told all the guys in your yard that you do this?

I'll tell anybody. I'm telling the whole country right now that I love a pedicure. Me too. Why are we not recording there? I didn't get invited for a pedicure. It's a really, really good point. My bad. It's poor production on Alex's part.

Agree. Bad plan. I actually didn't know this about Bill. This is a revelation. Well, here's the thing. So we were in Los Angeles. Yeah. And Lisa wanted a pedicure. And this is 10 years ago or so. And I'm like, well, what am I going to do? Why you get a pedicure. And this is 10 years ago or so.

And I'm like, well, what am I gonna do? Why you get a pedicure? I'm just gonna sit there. I guess I'll read the news on my phone or something. She says, no, you're getting a pedicure because your feet suck. And I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, you coach football,

you're on a lumber yard all the time and your feet are always just disgusting looking. We're getting you a pedicure. And I'm like, no, I'm not getting a pedicure because that's not what men do, right? Toxic masculinity stuff. No one wants that. No, so she makes me sit down

and 15 minutes into this experience, I told Lisa I'm getting one every week for the rest of my life. I love it, do you actually go every week? Every week. Stop, you're bougier than me. I'm like every three weeks. Well, but here's my thing.

My toes, my toenails grow so fast. It's weird. Like I have these fast growing toenails. And even if I didn't, I'd still get every week because it's just an excuse to go sit there 45 minutes and be in my own place. I understand that. So that's what you're doing.

Yeah, that's what I, yeah. And so big deal. there's a pimple on the top of your foot or something? Well, not a pimple. So I, well, I was pregnant with my daughter, and my mom and I... Is this second or first? First.

Okay. Yep, so we were, I was visiting my mom, which is in Winston-Salem. It's like an hour and a half away from where I live. And we were getting pedicures, and the woman was... So a girl's day out. Yeah, a girl's day out. Like, I was just visiting for a weekend.

And you're pregnant, so you're allowed to have someone rub your feet and fix you up. Yeah, she was like, let's go get pedicures. I said,- So a girl's day out. Yeah, girl's day out. Like I was just visiting for a weekend. And you're pregnant so you're allowed to have someone rub your feet and fix your arm. Yeah, she was like, let's go get pedicures. I said, great, let's do it. And her place is great because I feel like you would probably like it, but they like, just part of the basic pedicure, they do like the hot stones.

It is like next level. So if you're ever in Winston, you're gonna have to hit that place up. I'm gonna have to get the name of this place in Winston-Salem, like so. It's so good. But essentially a pedicure saved my life, which is crazy So the woman was massaging my feet and you couldn't see the bump

but if you press down really hard you could see like a pea-sized nodule on top of my right foot and Pieces he said could you feel it? No, I will when you press down you could feel it You didn't know was there. I didn't know it was there. I didn't have any pain I didn't have any symptoms like I had absolutely nothing So she pointed out to me and said did you know this was here? I didn't know it was there. I didn't have any pain. I didn't have any symptoms. Like I had absolutely nothing. So she pointed out to me and said, did you know this was here? I said, no, I've never noticed it. So we went home.

What'd you think it was like a knot on your foot? Yeah, well, they thought it might've been like a ganglion cyst, which is a benign cyst, nothing to worry about. It's pretty common in hands and feet. And so I- See, I'm going to pedicure for foot health. There you go. Okay, go ahead.

Yeah, safety all the way. Right. Cancer prevention. That's it. Don't ever complain to me that you don't have enough time if you're making time for pedicures. I do it at lunch break. Go ahead.

There you go. Oh, on weekdays, don't go on weekends, it's too crowded. Agreed, 100%. That's right. Yes, most of us can do that during the work day. It's the greatest thing of the world. Hey, carve in some healthcare. healthcare look he can sit over there Toxic man. Yeah and talk about how you lose your man card for getting a pedicure or

Or you can get a pedicure and have all the ladies look at your feet and say now that is a well taken care of You're a taken man. So who cares? We keep going guys guys. Sorry. You just said earlier, it's your funky feet. Would you turn this mic off, please? Go ahead. And now a few messages from our generous sponsors. But first, I got an ask of you. We have a couple hundred reviews of the podcast on Apple and Spotify.

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we dig into what the original investigators may have missed. Growing up on a farm when I heard a gunshot, I did not immediately think murder. Unless this person went out to shoot squirrels, they're not choosing a 22 to go hunting out there. These cases may be old, but the questions are still relevant and often chilling. I know this chauffeur is not of concern. You know, it's like, well, he's the last one who saw our life.

So how did they eliminate him? Join us as we take you back to the cold cases that haunt us to this day. New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Barry Bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Open AI is a financial abomination, a thing that should not be, an aberration, a symbol of rot at the heart of Silicon Valley. And I'm going to tell you why on my show Better Offline, the rudest show in the tech industry, where we're breaking down why open AI, along with other AI companies, are deadset

on lying to your boss that they can take your job. I'm also going to be talking with the greatest minds in the industry about all the other ways the rich and powerful are ruining the computer. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, wherever you happen to get your podcasts. ["The Good, The Bad, The Good"] Okay, so, yeah, so she found the knot on my foot. I didn't notice it, I didn't have any pain symptoms, nothing. My mom's husband was a general surgeon.

We went back to her house and said, hey. Yeah, so, I mean, your mom, she's a, I mean, you got a surgeon in your house, so I mean, you got doctors around you. Right, so we went home to her house and said, hey. Yeah, so I mean, your mom, she's a, I mean, you got a surgeon in your house, so I mean, you got doctors around you. Right, so we went home and I said, hey, like, will you look at this? And he was like, oh, it's nothing, it's just ganglion cysts.

Those are really common, like nothing to worry about. And then my kids are 14 months apart and I had them back to back, obviously. And so during my second pregnancy. Oh, so nothing. So we have a baby, we move on. Yeah, we move on. It's a system. It's a system. My foot, like nothing changes, who cares. I get it. So there's a lot of time. There's a little time. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So now you're pregnant again. Yeah, hindsight, I'm pretty lucky. So now I'm pregnant with my son and that pea-sized nodule grew to be a golf ball on top of my right foot. Yikes. So from an aesthetic standpoint. Now that had to hurt. It actually didn't. I didn't have any pain. That was what was so hard about this whole process, is that it's easy to correlate disease with pain. But when you don't have the pain,

sometimes it's hard to process that something's actually wrong. That would have pissly saw off, because there's no more buying nice shoes when you have a golf ball come out of your foot. Right. So aesthetically, it was hard. I couldn't wear certain shoes and they wouldn't operate on me pregnant

so I just had to kind of wait it out. Well, hold it. Did they still say, well, it's just a cyst? Yeah, so I went to, I was pregnant still. I think I was like seven months pregnant probably at that point. And I went to a dermatologist who sent me for an MRI. No, yes, an MRI.

And I went to the hospital to do the MRI because at the time they were sending you to the hospital, not an imaging center like they do now. And I walk in and the tech's like, hey, I'm not supposed to say anything, but if I were you, you're pregnant, I wouldn't get the scan pregnant and I would wait. And they're not gonna operate on you.

They're not gonna do anything for you while you're pregnant. You should just- Because the scan could affect the baby. But actually hindsight, that skin would have never affected my baby. But that's what- That's what she was trying to insinuate.

It also wasn't her place or her job or her knowledge base to say anything, which I understand if you are educated in that to say something, but the fact that, and I know enough now, at the time I had never had an MRI, so I walked out of the scan and I was like, I'm not gonna risk my baby when they're not gonna

operate on me and I'm gonna have two more ones. On this golf ball, it's a pain in the butt, but it's not that big a deal. Well, I'm not in pain and everyone said it was fine, so I had- And you're pregnant, so who cares about my shoes? Well, yeah, so I had the baby and then I went back to the doctor, went to the MRI,

went back to the dermatologist for results, and he was like, this is inconclusive, so I'm gonna send you to an orthopedic oncologist. What does inconclusive mean? We don't know what this is. Okay. So I said, okay. Did you get scared then?

I got scared when he said the word oncologist, so... Yeah. Inconclusive didn't scare me. Cancer didn't even cross my mind. But when he said orthopedic oncologist, I by myself and I walked down to the lobby and I started sobbing and I called my mom and I was like I have Two kids under two why am I being sent to an oncologist and she was like we don't know anything yet Let's just you know one step at a time. Yeah, so I met with an orthopedic oncologist that I

Literally found through Google. And when I tell you, I hit the Google jackpot with this man. He is the best physician in the entire world, like knowledge-based bedside manner, and I didn't even know that's who I was choosing. Like I just said, Oh, this guy looks good. His reviews are good. But like, when I tell you this man saved my life and showed up in so many amazing ways and now sits on my board of directors, I've never had a doctor who can be so educated

but also be such a people person and that changed the whole process for me. There's so too few of those. That's a side note. Unreal. I'm so sick of doctors that you feel like they are doing you a favor by doctoring you. Right. You know what I I'm the patient I eat the customer right? Why don't you treat me with a little dignity? Mm-hmm, but this guy did oh my gosh. This guy is I think the world of him and his family

So I met with him he biopsied my foot 15 different times everything came back. Why why why? 15 well because it was inconclusive. So, so you know I had even for an oncologist the first 14 times was inconclusive. Well the scan was inconclusive so they did a punch biopsy which is almost like a like a hole punch situation that they did 15 times all over my foot and then took taking sample at once. Yes. Oh I'm sorry I thought you meant you went back. No, no, no, no. So he did 15 different biopsies at one time. Yes. On your foot because the dermatologist said it was incorrect. I'm sorry. He wanted I'm tracking. Oh, no, you're good. It's confusing. So he wanted to make sure that we

tested all the different areas, everything came back negative. So he was like, this is a benign cyst, but due to the location, we should probably operate and remove it. So obviously being the vain person who liked high heels at one point, I wanted to get rid of this so I could wear my cute shoes and be comfortable. And again, I didn't have pain.

So I had- How old were you? I was 30. 30? Two kids. Two kids. Living life. Yep. Everything's fine. Yep. Thanks, mom. You're right kids. Two kids. Living life. Yep.

Everything's fine. Yep. Thanks mom, you're right, I shouldn't have borrowed trouble. This is just a benign golf ball size pain in the butt on top of my foot. Right. We're getting it going. Yeah.

Cause I want to wear my key shoes. Pretty much, yeah. Okay, that makes sense. I think that's exactly how everybody would react. Yeah, I think so. So I was calm, it was fine. I went for the surgery, they removed the mass, and then 10 days post-op, I was asked to come back in.

I thought that they were gonna be checking my incision, making sure my foot was healing properly. So I went in with my 17-month-old daughter and my three-month-old son, and thank God my mom was there that day. And he actually called to have me come in to tell me that I had a rare form of sarcoma which is a rare cancer without a cure and they didn't know without a cure without a cure sarcoma does not have a

cure so and you've got your kid with you I have two kids with me my 17 month old and my three month old so he said well we didn't know we were doing a cancer surgery because all of your biopsies came back benign. So the whole mass was benign except for the thin layer at the bottom that adhered to the top of my foot. So I was sitting here processing and when he said sarcoma, I didn't even know sarcoma meant cancer. So I said, OK, well, what is sarcoma? He says, well, it's a rare cancer. And I said, OK. And with sarcoma, I now know I didn't know then. There's like 80 something subtypes of sarcoma, I now know, I didn't know then, there's like 80-something subtypes of sarcoma

and they all react differently. And so I had a low-grade mix-weight sarcoma. So mine was kind of between two subtypes. So they gave me more of a general diagnosis. And so I'm sitting there and now I have two babies and I'm being told I had cancer. And I said, okay, well, what if I don't want to have to deal with this again?

What are my options? And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, great, now I'm gonna have another surgery. This had cancer. And I said, okay, well, what if I don't want to have to deal with this again? What are my options? And in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, great, now I'm gonna have another surgery. This isn't really what I want, but we'll carve out a clean margin. This kind of sucks, but here we are. So he said, if you don't want to worry about this again, you're gonna lose your right foot.

And everything, like my whole body went numb. Like I couldn't even wrap my head around the idea of being an amputee and losing a limb. Like I didn't know anyone who was an amputee. I didn't know anyone who had sarcoma. Like I'm listening to everything and then all of a sudden everything, like I couldn't hear anything and I see his mouth moving

and I'm trying to process what's happening. My mom, thank God, is listening and I- Oh, your mom is with you. My mom's with me and it was a lot to process and so- My mom is with me and it was a lot to process and so. Sorry to you said something a couple of minutes ago that's germane to the story. Yeah, he said we didn't know we were doing a cancer surgery because it all came back. But does that mean they didn't scoop this layer that was attached to your foot when they got this golf ball off. Right. No. Well, okay. So...

You see what I'm asking? Yes. So when they did the punch biopsies, the 15 biopsies at once, all of those came back benign. So if you think about like, if I had this mass and they did 15 different spots, all of that came back clear. No problem. No problem. But the thin layer at the bottom of this that they didn't punch with any of the biopsies, I guess they just didn't grab it deep enough, I don't know, or the angle or whatever, that was all cancer. So in the first surgery, could they have gone deep enough to get it and then thusly have

saved you from any of the next steps? So that's kind of where the conversation diverted after that, because I said, well, let's do another surgery if we have to. That's not quite so. If so, why not go do another surgery and get that crap? Well, then he explained to me, and we were sitting in the room, obviously, and he was like,

feel the top of your hand. It's just like the top of your foot. He's like, all that's there is skin and bone and tendons. If this was in a muscle or a thigh or your arm, we could go in and carve out more. He's like, there's nothing really left for us to take. He was like, but the kind of sarcoma that you had, he said, we may have gotten all of it, but we don't know.

And he was like, this is a slow growing, it's low grade. And if it's gonna come back, it's gonna come back the same way it started. And we can monitor you and go in and do another not another not yeah so we felt that that was the best plan because taking my foot off the bat would have been like really aggressive and I had a chance of it not coming back so I chose to be monitored so with sarcoma it's tricky all sarcomas really if a lot of them start in other areas,

and if they're gonna metastasize, they'll go to your lungs. So for me, I was scanned every three months, my foot at the time, not residual limb, and every six months my lungs were scanned. So I would do MRIs and CTs to make sure that it wasn't spreading. My grandmother died of cancer, but that was my grandmother's shoes in her 80s, right? And we have St. Jude,

here in Memphis. So cancer is not that foreign to me because of St. Jude and all of that. But I've, when I was reading your story, I wondered, you know, okay, good, we might've got it. I'm a mother of two, I'm 30, 31 years old. I'm just gonna get scanned and make sure it doesn't come back or be in my lungs. But that's an interesting way to live. Was there always a little sense of dread and fear

in the back of your mind constantly? I mean, how do you live worried that something, I'm a neat freak, I'm an organization freak, and I love finishing tasks, because when I finish a task, I move on and I forget about it. That is not something you can ever move on. Do you understand my question? Yeah, I do.

Cancer taught me that you can't always control everything, but you can control your response. And that was a really hard lesson for me to learn. So yes, it was hard to live worried. And anybody who has had cancer who goes through like not even sarcoma, but any kind of cancer who goes through the process that I went through, we call it scanziety. And every time you gear up for a scan, I mean, you get anxious, you get scared, you get, you know, sometimes there's depression, there's worry, there's sadness,

there's the what ifs. I mean, it's terrifying. And obviously, I was this young mom with two kids and my whole future ahead of me. And the idea of losing a limb or having cancer or any of that, I mean, it's not... Or going through your lungs. That could kill you. Yeah. It's crazy. And what's crazy is, like, once I was diagnosed, I was in...

Well, so I was scanned every three months the first year, then every six months the second year, and I was clear. So the third year, I had gotten to go a full year without scans, and that's when life started to feel like a smidge more normal. I come over. We're good. No, no, no. Not I'm over it, we're good by any means. But you still lived with the dread. Oh, 100%.

And I honestly lived with the dread until, I would say this year when I was released, but we'll get there. But I feel like for me, every time my scans would come, I would be, I learned my patterns of behavior. Like I learned when I would get quiet and I learned when I would become reclusive. And I learned that that was like my coping mechanism to dealing with the time and getting through scans.

And I would always get like that. My friends knew, my friends knew like, as soon as I got scheduled, like they would mark their calendars. And I would be like, I mean mean the support that I had was unreal and I know that I am so blessed beyond measure with my circle and not everybody has support like I had and all my friends are 10, 20, 30 years plus and when I say their chosen family I'll cry talking about them because I, the support that I had and continue to have

is just beyond anything I could have ever expected or felt like I deserved, but I'm thankful because they've gotten me through. But yeah, it's scary. But unfortunately for me, at my three-year scans, it was December 2nd. And you're only having to do a year now. Yeah, I went a whole year.

She's gotta be feeling better. Yes, I'm definitely feeling more confident. So I walk in, I'm talking to my doctor, I'm talking to the PA who I love, and we're like, she pretty much was my age, and we hit it off in the office. And she was almost like my friend in the office at this point.

And so we were just talking, catching up on life. And she leaves the room, and I guess my doctor was outside, and his name's Dr. Pat. And he, you know, told her name's Glenna. He told her, you know her she has a recurrence, we have to go in and tell her. And she's like, I just had this great conversation with her. We're joking around, having fun,

how am I gonna go in there? And he was like, we have to do it. So they went in and I was very blindsided to hear that my sarcoma came back. But not only did it come back, it didn't come back as a pea-sized nodule, it came back as a three millimeter layer over my entire right foot. And so back as a pea-sized nodule. It came back as a three-millimeter layer over my entire right foot.

And so that was a really... It encompassed your foot. The whole top of my foot. And so I knew when he said that what was happening. Like, he didn't even have to tell me. And my whole body got hot, and my... I remember hyperventilating. I couldn't breathe.

I felt like there was, like, an elephant on my chest. It was definitely one of, like like the worst moments of my life. Definitely like top three, top four worst moment ever. I mean, it was horrible. And I was by myself because I thought it was fine. I was like, oh, you're three, like we're good. And I was like a psychopath. Like I would check my foot daily.

Like if you knew me. No, I was a psychopath. No, I was a psychopath. Like think about like every day I was like in the morning after I got out of the shower, like I would press down check my foot daily, like if you knew me. I was a psychopath. No, I was a psychopath. Think about every day, I was like in the morning, after I got out of the shower, I would press down on my foot and I'm looking for things. That's exactly how I would have been. Yeah.

I mean, that's exactly how I would have always checked it and just said, okay, no nodule, let's go have a day. Right, exactly. And that's kinda how I lived. And so I was crying in the office with him. And we were just kind of talking about things. And he reframed it for me. And I think this goes to show the kind of person that he is. And all I could think about was, oh, my

gosh, I'm gonna lose a limb. Like, what does life even look like? And he said to me, if I don't wanna cry talking about this, he was like, if you want to watch your kids, because my kids were three and four now, and he was like, if you wanna be here to watch them, go to prom, graduate high school, if you wanna dance at their weddings, you're gonna do this and you're gonna be here.

And after that, sorry, there was, it was an easy decision. I guess when you frame it that way. Yeah. But then I said to him, am I gonna walk again? Because I didn't know any amputees. I didn't even know what that looked like. I didn't know what prosthetics looked like. Like, I mean, I knew what prosthetics looked like,

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So he said, what you have is low grade and slow growing, so you have a little time to pick your date. We need to pick it soon, but it doesn't have to be tomorrow. And so that was in December. No, I'm sorry, January. Yeah, January 2nd was when I was diagnosed, not December 2nd. January 2nd. And then my surgery was March 12th.

Okay. This may sound, I do not mean this insensitively. No. I like to try to put myself in the time between that conversation and when did you say March what? 12. I mean, were you looking down at your foot thinking you're going to be gone? Yeah. And the loss of your foot, I know that sounds weird and I don't mean it to sound that way

at all. No, I know you don't. And I actually have a funny story of a weirdo doctor that I saw. A weirdo doctor? Yes. Oh, I want to hear it. I will share. So yeah, it was hard.

It was one of those things where like I needed time to process. Talking about it was gut-wrenching, so I took to blogging and I would like blog out what was going on so all my friends and family could read it and I didn't have to repeat myself because I was literally in survival mode. You don't want to tell that story a hundred times a day. No, it's horrible. And then everyone obviously cares and wants to check in with you, but I just didn't have the mental capacity because I was trying to show up as a mom.

I'm trying to handle myself. I'm very transparent that at that time, obviously, like I needed anti-anxiety and anti-depressants to get through the day. And I don't think there's any shame in that for people who need that. And I always share that because I think there's so much negative connotation with medication that you need it.

There's definitely a stigma around it. Yeah, there is. But that is exactly what that stuff's for. 100%. And I obviously knew going into it that my depression and my situation was, it was situational anxiety and situational depression. But I wasn't going to survive without being able to have something to get me through.

And that's kind of that time in my life. And I'm not embarrassed about that. And you're 32 or three, you're young. Yeah, I was 33. I'm young. Are you? Yeah. You're young?

Yeah. And I was super active and all the things. You know, it took me a little bit to wrap my head around, like, processing that this was happening to me. Then I had to go through additional testing and, like, do some other stuff and prepare myself for the surgery. And then choosing a date was really hard because he was like, text me the date, like, here are the dates that are available for my surgeries.

Let me know which one you want. And that was so hard. I remember I was at one of my girlfriend's houses and our kids were playing and I was so anxiety ridden. I felt like nauseous thinking about it and I was so scared. And even just sending this text, like I remember my hands were just like, it was horrible. And so finally I was like, you know what? One of my friends had sent me like this message of encouragement and I don't know what about what he sent just like hit me in the right place in my heart. And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do this.

I can do this. And so I texted him March 12th and I threw the phone down and I was like, I'm done. So leading up to my surgery, I obviously knew I was gonna be on crutches. So I was like a very active person. I took a lot of classes like Orange Theory and things. And so I ended up getting a personal trainer

who at the time was one of the trainers at Orange Theory and told him like, Okay, I really want to focus on upper body. I'm gonna have to carry myself around I don't know what my life's gonna look like so me and one of my best friends Switched and we started doing all these different kinds of workouts to prep me for things I started trying to figure out how can I prep my home for this and then the week before my surgery? I felt compelled to do this Facebook live. It was kind of before social media was what it is now. I mean, it just, obviously, like things travel quicker now

than they did seven years ago. And so I did this Facebook Live. I don't know why I felt the need to do this, but I did. And I asked my friends and family to get out and move because they could. Move because you can is like just something that stuck with me ever since my first surgery. So like after my first surgery every year on that date I would

go for a run because I would think about how I was on an operating table and the idea of losing my foot and losing mobility was just gut-wrenching and I wanted to like honor myself and honor everybody who wanted to move but couldn't so I would always go out and run that day. Yeah, don't take that foot for granted. No, seriously. And which sounds so stupid to almost say, but talking to you, I'm pretty happy I got both my feet right now.

Absolutely, you should be. And so, yeah, it, I don't know. So I did this Facebook Live video. It's pretty much me just crying and asking people to get out and move because you can. Pretty much me just crying and asking people to get out and move because you can. Pretty much me just bawling and saying, hey, don't take your feet for granted, move. Well, yeah.

And I talked about how mobility can be taken away in the blink of an eye and your whole life can change. And my life was going to change forever and I didn't know what it was going to look like. And that was really scary. And one of my girlfriends who lives in Atlanta was like, we need a hashtag, hashtag move for Jen. She had commented that in the site. So anyways, then I like go about my life and my story starts to get like picked up a little bit

and I think I had like a news interview before, maybe one or two, and then I had my surgery. I get to the hospital and my nurse anesthetist who does like the anesthesia walks in in a move for Jen shirt. And from the hashtag move for Jen that my friend wrote in the thing he came in in a tank top that said I move for Jen and the night before my surgery my girlfriends all sent me a group text with this collage picture and they were all in these shirts that say I move for Jen and I was like okay like I remember

like sobbing and so I got to the hospital. Did that feel just like support? What did that feel like to you? Like the highest form of love and support. I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. And you didn't know your nurse at the assist.

So actually he, I didn't know him well at the time, but he lived next door to a friend of mine, so we had met. It was a loose connection, but the point is, dude shows up wearing that t-shirt. Yeah, and there's a picture of us in People Magazine together with him wearing it, so it's kind of funny. That's very cool. So when I woke up from surgery...

How long did it take? Dare I say it? No, I want to say six hours, but don't quote me on that. No, and dread? Oh my gosh, unreal. Yeah. Unreal. Dare I say, I don't know, I wanna say six hours, but don't quote me on that. No, and dread? Oh my gosh, unreal, yeah. Unreal, the dread of that day. I remember walking into the hospital thinking like,

well, maybe I shouldn't do this, maybe I'm just gonna leave. And then I was like, no, I'm here, I have to do this. Like, there's no choice, it's cancer. I was gonna ask this and then I decided, no, you're a shallow jerk for asking. And then I decided I was, and then I decided no, you're a shallow jerk for asking. And then I decided I was and then I wasn't but now that I met you I am. Obviously, your mom, you were into working out and whatever and so you're thinking about

your mobility, you're thinking about living your life, you're thinking about walking, you're thinking about being able to go to your kids games and dance and travel normally and whatever. Drive a car. I mean, anything that requires a foot. I was actually thinking about this driving here. Yeah. And this is not specifically just about you, but so that our audience members, most of whom have all ten fingers, toes, and lungs, just for perspective and so that we can empathize to better understand the importance of the work you do.

Were you also concerned about people looking at you weird without a foot going through Target? Were you also thinking about, you know, am I going to be as attractive as I once was? Were you also thinking about, you know, are people going to approach me differently because I don't look as whole as I once did. And I really don't mean that sound sensitive, but again, I would feel that way. Yeah.

No, absolutely. I would say that- And I don't, you're looking at me weird. No, I'm not looking at you weird. I'm not. You're looking at me intently. I promise I'm not. I actually have like a really good response to this,

which is why I'm looking at you the way I'm looking at you. Go for it. Yes. All of those things were were of concern for me, but I think what I realized So the I would say two weeks leading up to my surgery I think I ordered like 15 or 20 different maxi dresses So I would be able to like have myself covered and nobody would know what dresses maxi dress like a long dress to the floor Was that because you were because I wanted to be able to hide it, yeah. But then my story went viral, and I think when that happened,

it was almost a blessing in disguise because it was like not like the attention part, because I didn't care about that, but the fact that people knew, and I, like so many people in our town, our area, like, knew what was happening to me. So I didn't have to, like, go out and explain myself to every person on the street.

Obviously, you're going to get people, like, the one-offs who, like, have no filter and say stupid things. But, like, I ordered all these dresses, and I was, like, so content on, like, hiding and trying to be this version of who I was, who I was losing. I mean, because literally, like, I was mourning the old version of me.

But then when I woke up from surgery, the first thing I was told was, get your phone. And I was like, I haven't even looked down yet. Like, I was still medicated. Are you scared to? Yes. I would have been. But I was also highly medicated from the surgery.

So like, I wasn't, you know, all there yet. And I said, I just woke up, and I was told look get your phone please. So I got my phone and my video had been viewed I think like I don't know 19,000 times or 20 something thousand I can't even remember. And I had like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of messages from people all over the world who watched my video, maybe even thousands of messages. I mean, it was just beyond, who watched my video, heard my message, felt my message, and got out and moved the day of my surgery.

And it was anything from classes of little girls, like in tutus in a dance class holding signs that said move for Jen, to moms in Orange Theory classes or pure bar classes or, you know, a bunch of guys going out on a run with a run group. It was all formed, there were kids outside playing tag and riding scooters. It was all forms of activity.

And I said in my video, like, go out in your favorite form of movement. Like, it doesn't have to be one way and just be grateful that you can do it. And even if it's raining, like, and you go on a run in the rain that day, you should do it. And my old office from insurance at Lincoln Financial Group, like they got out and walked in the rain that day.

And the impact of that, I mean, the messages I got, I got messages from people who dealt with severe depression, who said, I live in Europe and I watched her video and I've dealt with severe depression. I haven't gotten off the couch in two years and I walked my dog today and it's the best I felt and so the impact of My message just hit people in a way that I never was prepared for But such a positive out of such a negative and you never just no I know organic which makes it much more real.

Yeah, and so all of a sudden, like there was this redirection of focus. And for me, I think that really helped in my healing. And so when I got home, I was like, well, everybody knows. And then all of a sudden, like People Magazine's picking up my story, and Today, and Daily Mail, and all these, like, insane publications.

And it's like, what am I hiding at this point? Like, everybody, my story is worldwide now. So, like, everybody knows. What am I hiding? Like, I need to learn how to own this version of me. And so that's what I did. I mailed back all 15 of those maxi dresses. My mom was like, you're crazy.

At least you got your money back. I got my money back. And I was like, I'm of those maxi dresses. My mom was like, you're crazy. At least you got your money back. I got my money back. And I was like, I'm going to figure this out. And you know, did I have times that were hard? Absolutely. Did I cry in like many dressing rooms trying on clothes to make myself feel good and fit and nothing did?

Absolutely. For like a year, it was really hard for me to find clothes that I felt good in. But I slowly learned to recognize and love this new version of me. But I think what really helped with that was after my initial surgery, I started to meet with a prosthetist to have prosthetics made. And I said, OK, well, let's talk running blades because I want to get back. What does lose your foot mean? I mean, I can envision anything from above your knee

down to just above your ankle. You know what I mean? So, good question. What does lose your foot mean? So, I do, and it's different for everybody. So, and this was something that kind of took me a minute to wrap my head around. So for me, the cancer was only in my foot, but my amputation is about halfway up my shin.

The reason for that is my doctor knew I wanted to be active. I wanted to be able to have like, so they rate you K1 through K4, depending on how active. K1. What does K stand for? I don't really know what K stands for. K1 is like pretty much like a geriatric patient who's trying to get from the bed to the bathroom to the kitchen to the couch. K4 is someone who wants to get out, run long distances, maybe a Paralympic athlete, someone

who's highly active and wants to live as close to the lifestyle that you previously had. And obviously there's some in between. But you were K4. I was K4. I want to K4. I was K4. I want to do everything. I want to do everything. I was so determined. I was like, I'm going to learn how to do everything I did before.

I'm just going to learn a new way to do it. So they do the amputation planning on prosthetics to allow you the K4. Well, not necessarily to allow you the K4. I was already, based on the questionnaire I filled out, I was already like rated that. And so my doctor chose the placement based on knowing the activities I wanted to do. Cause there are people that I've met through Moo4Gen who have had a lower amputation

where they have more of their limb, but they're not able to utilize all the different types of prosthetics because they don't have the space. That's weird. So the more you take, the more athletic you can be. Kind of because- You would think the opposite, but-

Right, and I thought that too. But now it totally makes sense to me because otherwise your hips wouldn't be aligned. Because you would need the space to fit the prosthetic under you. That makes sense? Yeah, that absolutely does make sense. Right, it took me a minute to, yeah.

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