An Army of Normal Folks - Suzy Hollenbach: 70 Million Homeless Dogs And Cats (Pt 2)

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Suzy is the founder of All 4's Rescue League, which has distributed 1,680 doghouses to outside dogs without them, have gotten 1500 dogs spayed and neutered, and 2,460 dogs unchained. And she dives into the local and national crisis of homeless animals that endangers all of us.Support the show: https://www.normalfolks.us/premiumSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everybody, it's Bill Courtney with An Army of Normal Folks, and we continue now with part two of our conversation with Suzy Hollenbach, right after these brief messages from our generous sponsors. And you say the backyard breeders, and I get that. I've often wondered also about the pet shop breeders. Yeah. about the pet shop breeders. Because when you go, I don't really know, I mean, you know, the mall's not being a big thing anymore, but every mall used to have a pet store. They did.

Yeah. And I remember when I was younger going in and everybody would want to go in the pet store to look at the cute pet. Right. But looking back on it, some of those puppies didn't look so good. Right.

Didn't look good. I can remember people telling me they bought pets from pet stores and they were sick. So there must be, I mean these pet stores aren't, but there must be like, I guess not backyard breeders, but puppy milk type breeders feeding those stores. Correct. How's, that can't be good either. No, well we certainly didn't need any to be brought to Memphis, we have enough animals here that we didn't need

some of these pet stores that have come, any pet land. But I mean what happens in a pet store when a dog, when a puppy doesn't get bought and it gets a little too old? Good question. I wonder. Right. Because there's really no oversight. Yeah. So and you know, I know the shelters aren't really involved there. That's, they've have so much on their plate already that that's not even in their

scope. All right. What did I read about not too long ago, like the head of the Memphis or Shelby County pet thing got put on probation because a dog died or something. Yeah. What's that about? Well, they, unfortunately. Because I've read about that in other cities too. Yeah, yeah.

So well, you know, in an effort to house more animals to prevent euthanasia, they started to stage some outside. In the Memphis summer? In the Memphis summer on AstroTurf. And it was a really stupid decision. Oh yeah, oh yeah. It was really bad. And ironically, the dog that died on this AstroTurf

was one our group had microchipped during one of our spay clinics and the family had surrendered the dog to the shelter. We were working to find an adopter and managed to find an adopter and went in the day to pull the dog and were notified that she had died out on the Ashtar turf. So it was- Basically barked it out. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And this is what our taxpayer dollars are going to fund. Right.

And this was, I mean, unfortunately, this new director at the time, I guess done this at other facilities, at a previous facility where he was employed and a similar thing had happened. But employees at Memphis Animal Services had told him, facility where he was employed and a similar thing had happened but employees at Memphis Animal Services had told him this is not we didn't we just don't even use the AstroTurf area during these times a day this isn't good and he just

didn't listen yeah so okay so the reason I asked about that is if you think about the first day, the chain dog and the neighbor's chain dog. If you think about the strays, if you think about the no kill thing, the no euphemization, if you think about calling a dog catcher when there's a pack of dogs running around and them saying sorry we can't do it right and if you think about the story you just heard which I've heard that in other places and you even saw the guy that did this did it in another place right it just feels to me like we have a systematic problem from dog education, from pet owner education ownership, all the way through the quote system that's supposed to handle all this,

a lot of which is funded by my tax dollars. Absolutely. So it seems like the whole thing's just broken. Well we we've gotten away from animal control in the name of no kill because no kill sounds and feels good. This community sheltering sounds and feels good but you know on paper it's great. Community sheltering is a really cool word for something. I've never heard that until you just said it. That is the stupidest thing. Community sheltering means we're just going to leave the dogs in your neighborhood. Absolutely. That was the policy of what they did.

Yeah. And it continues today. That feels like giving up on the problem. Right. And it affected the underserved communities exponentially. It's been horrific. I was gonna say, it is so typical, because in Germantown, everybody,

Germantown is a very nice suburb of Memphis, in Germantown or in very nice East Memphis or Carriville, you don't have this problem. Because everybody has the money to take care of their dogs and keep them sheltered and blah blah blah. But you go into communities that are poverty stricken and have financial difficulties. Right and especially during an economic crisis since COVID these areas have taken a nosedive. So you've had families that were displaced that had animals and they honestly tried to turn to

the shelter to surrender their dog. They couldn't take their dogs. They were moving in with other family or some sometimes going homeless and couldn't take their dogs. So instead of having that resource that should have been there for them, they, they had to turn their dogs out to the streets, literally say bye, people finding strays, tried to take the dogs into this into the to this day get turned away at the show we don't have room go put it back where you found it because we have community sheltering right which is

basically let it loose and the poor folks like the dog wrong and they can deal with it correct so the animals is it not, are we not just any day away from some four year old getting mauled by some wild dog? It's happened. Well then how is the city not getting sued for this? I don't understand it. We've had people mauled and killed, people have lost limbs.

Lost limbs. On dogs that Memphis Animal Services should have picked up. And won't. Right. Now I will say, I feel comfortable saying that I think Paul Young, the new mayor, understands the issues. I don't think he is a fan of these policies. We have an interim director now that replaced the gentleman that that made that mistake at Memphis Animal Services. So they've really taken a look at these policies and unfortunately until they get a new director in, we really won't know what direction they go. But I, in conversations, feel as as though he understands the effect this has had on the underserved areas and

cautiously optimistic that a new direction will happen but it we have got to get back to animal control. Meanwhile, correct, you and your group and the reason I went off on this tangent a little bit is, you know, people need to understand that once again, this is a systematic issue that affects the neediest among us. Absolutely. And it does affect your neighborhood, and it does affect your children, and it does affect people. It's not just, and I don't mean to say, be would be careful saying what about to say but it's not just we need to care for the

dog on the tree. It actually is a much bigger issue than that. It's a broken window. It is you know what I mean? It's it's and I of course being in the underserved areas every single day, you just see so much has chipped away on what is acceptable in the underserved areas versus what's acceptable in East Memphis. This wouldn't happen in Germantown. This wouldn't happen in even East Memphis. Okay, but you said you scream at somebody.

Can you imagine every homeowner in East Memphis, all they would have to do would raise hell for two days and this problem would be over. Oh yeah. But the people in the underserved community don't have that accessor voice. No. And so the dogs.

And they make the calls and they don't get responded to. And it's blatant and it's been a huge issue. I mean, I've really, this has been a point of contention for me and I mean, we did a documentary on it. Just this issue. What's it called? It's called The Memphis Underdog. The Memphis Underdog, nice title.

But we're not talking about the dog, we're talking about the people dealing with the dogs. Right, right. That's the underdog. Absolutely, it's the whole, the whole piece, all of the pieces to the puddle. I guarantee you this is happening right now in Little Rock and Birmingham and Louisville and Nashville and Montgomery. This limited intake, like I said, these large organizations push this and use COVID to launch it.

And it's spread like wildfire. I'm not kidding. I mean, and it's for the, the, you know, for an area in Connecticut, community sheltering is wonderful. I mean, a dog gets loose up in mystic. There's 90 people. Right. They're all flocking to the dog. He'll have somewhere to stay for the afternoon and be home by the end of the day. In Memphis, no. And we have packs of dogs, the dog, he'll have somewhere to stay for the afternoon and be home by the end of the day in Memphis. No. And we have packs of dogs, which is very dangerous.

These aren't poodles. And we've left it to the underserved areas because they could. A national story, I once interviewed a guy who started a bunch of charter schools in Detroit, and when he was starting on the guy who helped him do it, said all these kids are carrying around sticks to school Yeah, he said off the door and he said why are the kids carrying sticks and it's do you have to protect themselves from these dogs? Right. Okay. This is really stupid It's it's and it's really important that this i'm so glad we're doing this because everybody listens needs to be aware

Well, i mean the truth is I was not yeah No, I guarantee you if there are a pack of dogs run around our neighborhood Lisa Courtney would drive to City Hall and Race she would either end up in jail or with a dog catcher in our neighborhood. Well, it's it's absolutely It's wrong. It's what's happened in these areas Just I mean and you watch so many different things that have happened with the economy. I don't think our city really has a pulse on how bad it's gotten for these families that have literally moved in with other family members in a duplet. I mean, you might have 12 people, you know, with children, and they tried to surrender

their dogs because they couldn't take care of them and were turned away. I mean every day turned away and it's I mean I've come up on properties and they've got their toddlers out front with stray pit bulls running around. They've called and called and called and the shelter I mean even if they pull up and like the dog's healthy it's nice I'm sorry we can't take the dog. It's horrible. It's horrible for the dog. It's horrible for the people who live in the neighborhoods. It's not good for children having to walk around with sticks to beat off the dogs. Well and there's wonderful. What does that teach our children? Right, right. In so many different ways. I mean there's just so

much to it that is teaching these children that the animals are dispensable. I mean, it's just. And so it's dawning on me as I'm listening to you that all fours rescue is absolutely about trying to rescue pets and provide owners with the things that they need and education, everything else.

But through spade and neutering and microchipping and all of this work that you're doing, you're also trying to, through this, improve the lifestyle in some of these neighborhoods for these kids. Right. Absolutely. And families. Correct. Right.

And it's a, you know, this is a frontline approach to try to help keep these pets out of the shelter and help keep Memphis Animal Services from having to go to that address. And that's been, you know, an issue, you know, I've been told, you know, you think you're an animal control officer. No, I don't. But when I call for you guys, I expect you to do it, do your job because you know what I'm doing. If I'm calling you it's bad. So you guys should absolutely. I guess they all know you. Oh yeah. Do they hate you or like some, some hate me. Some love what we do, but it's, you know, when, when, when an animal is going to suffer suffer because you want don't do your job Yeah, some someone's got to bring a voice to that and that's the way it works You know right believe it or not, but this may shock you as kind and cuddly and sweet and low-key as I am some people

I get it. No. I don't see how they can hate you. Cassius Dutton. Cassius Dutton hates me. No. You're also paying, though, so that doesn't count. Well, I'm just a firm believer. If you don't have a few haters, you're not really doing anything, right? I don't know. Maybe I need to do like the Super Bowl and come up with a rap and diss everybody that hates me. You'd be good at that, wouldn't you? We'll be right back. Here's something that, wow, as of September 2024, I know that's a little dated, but that's the last I have.

You have distributed, or not you, All 4's Rescue has distributed 1,680 dog houses. You've gotten 1,500 dogs spayed and neutered. You've gotten 2,460 dogs unchained. That's insane. That's a lot of daggum dogs. And what do you, I also wanna know, what do you do when you come across a cat that's in a bad problem?

Do you deal with that too? Well, we do help some cats, but typically, you know, it's just roaming cats. In Memphis, cats are free to roam. It's perfectly legal. So unless they're injured, we really don't, you know, get involved. Once again, if they're not spayed or neutered and they're roaming every year there's a litter created of all these animals. Well now we've how does this not perpetuate? Listen, absolutely these dogs the 16 hundred and twenty four sixty these numbers are beautiful okay but it's it's when two dogs can make five

and that's happening every single day I mean well this is the dog population this one will mesmerize you one female dog and her offspring in six years can produce up to 67,000 dogs one female dog in six years can produce up to 67,000 dogs. One female dog in six years. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Say that one more time. One female dog. One female dog.

And her offspring. And her offspring. Can produce up to 67,000 dogs in six years. Holy shit. Do you know 67,000 people that can take a dog? No, I don't know 67,000 people that can take a dog? No. I don't know 67,000. So we leave these dogs. I don't know 670.

Right. Well, one thing too that I think as we look at animal control and what really should happen to get our country, honestly, not just here, but we have to stop thinking that everybody needs to have a pet. Not everybody needs to own a pet. Some of these people that do have dogs have no business. They don't, you know, there is no educating them and they neglect. I have had people laugh because they forgot to feed their dog and you know or, you know, lock them up in a crate and leave them out back.

They're tired of them and. Why even get a dog? Right. I mean, it's, we have really taught neglect by refusing intake. Well, candidly. Right. Why would I give a crap about my dog if

nobody else seems to give a crap about all these dogs around the neighborhood and the shelter won't take them? Well, when you report a neglect situation and the animal control officer comes to your property and yes the dog is starved but they have a dog house so the shelter tells you to leave that you know their supervisor tells them to leave the dog you're you've taught the dog them that that's acceptable you've taught the children in the house that's acceptable how many dogs does the shelter hold it should hold about a hundred and eighty a hundred and eighty and they've been housing almost double that okay which is ridiculous. 360. Right. Okay. Here's the

thing. How much money are we as taxpayers paying for this facility that's housing 360 of the 67,000 dogs that are probably running around out there, the animal control officers, the cost of the fuel insurance insurance, and maintenance on these vehicles that we send out to people to tell them we're not doing anything, and the salaries of the people running this place that is absolutely doing nothing. Nothing, correct. This is insane. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah after this, a department, none of them are to like you very much after this.

No. But I mean, that's just the truth. Well, it's, it is, it's been a problem, you know, when they honestly took this direction after COVID, it, I mean, these, it directly impacted the underserved areas. It, they reduced the complement of officers. So I mean it was all a dynamic to absolutely reduce the intake at the shelter and it's impacted not only Memphis but nationwide. So we've had areas that you know we the northern areas usually can take dog transport dogs up north to you know they their shelters are empty and and people love to you know take in a

rescue dog and even that has been at a standstill since covid because of the volumed dogs nationwide because of these policies okay bill i looked it up nationwide so an estimated 70 million dogs and cats are homeless 70 million yeah that's estimated that cats are homeless. 70 million? Yeah, and it's estimated that a mere 6.5 million of them will end up in a shelter. Well, that's a 67,000 that's over and over again. I mean, those numbers are crazy. All right, so let me just ask this question. Let's say you chip a dog.

Correct. So we know that dog and that dog's been refused shelter and that dog mauls one of these toddlers in somebody's front yard. Can you not prove that the municipality shirked their responsibility on that dog because they refused to take them into their tax paid for shelter and therefore are responsible for the injuries to that child. Oh, you absolutely can. I mean, you can foyer the calls of the reports made by neighbors, you know, maybe a dog that's jumped the fence, now runs around stray, what have you, but yeah, I mean it can be, it can be done, it just has, I don't know, it's crazy the links here, but one of the families that,

it was their dogs that kept getting out of the fence, neighbors had reported it, we had provided them dog houses. We'd come up on the property, four or five dogs in the backyard, and there were no, they didn't have any shelter. So, you know, of course knock on the door and grandma tells us, my grandson put these dogs out here. I'm not really a dog person. I just dump food out the back door, but I have been calling the shelter to come get them and they're refusing to pick them up. And, you know, we give, at least provide shelter so they have something.

This is when they first launched these policies. And within a few months, the dogs had mauled someone in the park neighboring their property. Okay, so who got sued? Well, the family were, they were taken to jail for manslaughter, the grandmother, grandmother the her daughter and the grandson They were taken to jail for manslaughter. Yes. Are you kidding me? Nope Nope, which to be honest with you

They made the decision I mean, let's talk about personal response I made the decision to buy the dogs. They knew they had a dog problem But if the grandmother really did try to ask the shelter, what does she suppose if she goes in the backyard of the 22 and puts a bullet in each one of these dogs said she's going to jail for that. Right. So what does she do? Seriously, what does the woman do?

This is a problem. Everyone's facing every day. Having been offered absolutely no legal opportunity to do something about that. No, no. Okay, this is ridiculous. Now I think eventually the charges were reduced, but they were initially taken to jail.

Absolutely not, absolutely not. My question is why doesn't the city bear some responsibility? Because they refuse the dogs. And there, I just don't know enough about, you know, the attorney relationship with the city. I think that there's a dynamic there with so many of the attorneys that, you know, they have cases for the city so they can't sue the city. So I don't really know the dynamic there, but I. I've just common sense.

Right. I don't understand how it hasn't happened, but it's the number of strays that we have in the streets, the packs of dogs, you have females that go into heat and these males get very aggressive. They may not be aggressive dogs, but with a female and heat, that's a completely different ball game with a pack of dogs. I'm not going up to that pack, but they bounce around a neighborhood and I can't believe we haven't had more incidents.

And we may have, we just don't know. And meanwhile, somebody lost their child. Yes, yeah. That was a different property. They had had calls on that and on those particular dogs and this the dogs belong to the family, but just that somebody accidentally left the toddler out and in the front yard and the dogs jumped the fence and. So when you hear these stories and you hear all fours rescue league and you think, oh, that's nice. This is sweet lady run around giving away dog houses. It's actually much, much, much, much deeper than that. Deeper than that.

Yeah. It really is. We've, um, you know, when you're, you see this every day and you're involved in these neighborhoods, you, you really get to know the neighbor, get to know, you know, just you, I've watched what's happened in the communities, just, you know, the blight. And it's really hard to watch and see what, especially watch with the animals that they're just, there's no help and we've tried to go to City Council we've tried to you know bring the attention and you know it's

like I said I'm cautiously optimistic that Mayor Young understands the reality of these policies but up to, they still continue the same policy, just limiting the intake at the shelter. Meanwhile, you're still got a group of bloody do-gooder volunteers running around out there looking for dogs unchanged and talking kids in the neighborhoods, and these dog houses cost about 130, 140 bucks a piece,

dog food's not expensive, not cheap. No. The... The spay and neuter is not, while we provide it free, it's not provided to us free. Does Hollywood Feed or anybody give you a break on dog food? Yeah, we honestly need the broken bags

and things like that. A lot of the rescues, yeah, do. So they do help you with that. Yeah, they do help with that. That's still a lot of money. Oh yeah, well they don't always have it, so we do have to buy it on occasion. So where does all that money come from?

Like I said, most of our fundraising through social media, we do have donors that have funded our pit stop. What's pit stop? That's our spay and neuter program. So how I initially. pit stop. What's pit stop? That's our spay and neuter program. So how I initially. Pit stop, you're really good on names. You really are. Pit stops good, all fours is good. What was the other one you said? There was another one she said earlier, I don't remember. Another name you came up with that was cool. Pit stop. Yeah, pit stop. Yep, that's our spay and neuter program.

So we initially started just, you know, I'd set up partnerships with various veterinarians around the city just to at least get one or two appointments. So we do that throughout the week. But we have partnered with a few veterinarians to do Pit Stop. So we do a clinic once a month to do a larger volume at one time and so we've just really started those clinics doing about 20 dogs initially and the goal is to get to about 50 dogs at least for those clinics and but yeah it's still not free I mean we we pay the veterinarians and the you know vet techs

and supplies and what not. But all of our resources we provide for free to pet owners. We'll be right back. How did, I mean, 15 years ago, would you have ever thought? No, no. I mean, you know, of course I didn't realize the need, just how many are on chains in backyards and just how desperate the situation is. I really had no idea our underserved areas had so many issues and the dogs just fall prey to

the poverty and the lack of education, especially when it comes to owning a pet. What's next? Well constantly working to grow our outreach. We do large vaccine clinics with the health department so we partner with them so that we can reach more, get the word out about our spay and neuter. And we're actually looking now for a facility. We have warehouse space to, um, for a facility. We have warehouse space, but we're looking for a facility.

What are you going to do? You're not going to house dogs, are you? No, no, I'm not looking to house any dogs, um, that we want to be able to operate our pit stop clinic and do that, you know, on a larger scale and, uh, eventually have neighborhood centers in the underserved areas to not only provide the resources in the neighborhoods, but employ some of, you know, like I said, we bring in, you know, some young men that are really good with dogs and I think we can reach more people, especially the children.

One of the main things I wanna do is provide free training for their pets and the requirement will be that it needs to be a child with their dog. Why wouldn't elementary schools love you coming in with a little puppy to second and third graders and teaching about the dogs? We actually go to a school tomorrow. Oh, you do that?

Yeah, yeah. So we were looking to grow that. How many volunteers are working with you? We probably have about 25 volunteers. Well, you could certainly use a hundred more. Oh gosh, oh absolutely. So if anybody listened to us in Memphis, loves pets, and has a heart for all of these systematic issues.

I mean. And the volunteers will tell you, once you go out, it's hard to stop. I mean, you do get drawn in, and they constantly, if they can't continue to go, we have people come from out of town to go out with us in the streets. I have a family that comes in from Rhode Island yearly.

This is their family vacation. They come in to spend a week with us in the field. Are you kidding me? Well somebody from Rhode Island can come help in Memphis. Certainly somebody from Milton. What's Claudia do? Does she get out there? Yeah, she's come out, yeah.

Now I'll say that some people have a hard time. I've had people come out that they just cry the whole time. You know? Just, they can't handle seeing these dogs. They're so sad for the dog, they just sit there and weep. And cry. That's not helpful. So they help in other ways, you know?

But it is a requirement of mine. If you're gonna volunteer with us, you have to go at least one time with me in the field so that you know what you're working toward you're really passionate about. Yes, absolutely You know Alex will verify that one of I have a lot of little ruffs, you know Thanks, really appreciate it. No, they're actually awesome. I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

I don't believe that. If you got a decent producer, it could make it sound better, but whatever. But one of them is this. I believe amazing legacy events happen when somebody's passion and discipline, and by discipline I don't mean doing things right, I mean their abilities,

when somebody's passion and discipline intersect with opportunity. And I think that's exactly what happened to you 15 years ago when right when your friend called you and you rolled up and these little kids rolled out the house and went two doors down. You were passionate about dogs. You had the ability to help and you saw an opportunity. Yeah, well, I mean, there's no question that was a monumental moment in my life standing in that backyard. I never stopped after that. And doing this work in these areas

has completely changed me as a person, my outlook on everything. How so? It just, you know, you see so many wonderful people but they don't have the resources and and they're happy and still you know trying to make ends meet every single day and if you can you know even if it's just a matter of helping them with an AC unit for their house and that makes their day. I mean, you just build on that

and try to make a difference. Just even for, you know, a family, giving out, you know, we provide the kids with books and things like that. And you just watch the kids light up that you just cared enough to give them, you know, I mean, and I've been feeding a dog on the side of the road and look up and watch a kid that's in a car just staring out the window,

watching me feed that dog like, what is she doing? And I can see the connection. The, yeah, I thought about this, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Prior to my time at Manassas I would have told you that this is the freest country in the world with a free education system. I didn't come from much of nothing and if you just are willing to work hard and pull yourself up by your bootstraps and dig in Everything will work out But the zip code at the time of my birth was not New Chicago it was East Memphis, right and I have learned and

Developed what I think I'm talking about myself a little bit here's depth of understanding that the vast majority of my peers even when they are inspired by the stories they hear because they have been unwilling to get off their asses and go into these areas really do not understand. Do not. You absolutely. Because what you just said to me, you bring true to me. Yeah. Speak to it.

Well, I mean, you know, most of our peers don't even drive through these areas, much less get out in the backyard. So without standing in that backyard, you really don't get it. And well, but they explain it to us on Fox News. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a picture, picture even our pictures you think you get it You don't you can ask Claudia. You don't get it until you're out there The thing you said that's striking and I agree with it 100% These are wonderful people. Yeah, who are trying to be happy, who do genuinely care about their

children, about their neighborhood, and about their pets. But when it's between that last three bucks on the 28th of the month buying enough macaroni to feed everybody in the house versus buying some dog food, what do you do? When the lights are going out. versus buying some dog food. Right. What do you do? They don't have toys. When the lights are going out. Right. When... Well, I mean, we encounter so many

that their lights are out. They're living literally with no utilities and have a dog in the backyard. And people will say, well, why'd they buy the damn dog in the first place? I can tell you they didn't buy it. Neighborhood passed it out from that litter over there down the street.

And they were kind enough to take it in. They were kind enough to take it in to try, and here we are. And there's just so much preconceived notion that is just wrong and some misconceptions about the vast majority of people in these neighborhoods. And it's so, and again, like I said, it changed me as a person and it's easy to make it. What do you mean by that? Tell me what- I didn't know either. I had no idea that people lived in a duplex with 12 family. with 12 family members. It was just inconceivable to me that we're in the USA in, you know, 2025 and people are still having to live in these conditions. You know, the roof is falling in and a landlord's getting away with it. I mean, how is this even possible that we have quadrillionaires in this country

and we have people that still live in some of these conditions in Memphis? How, I had no idea. Now I assure you, this is not just Memphis. Oh absolutely, I know that, but I mean. You take the top 150 cities in this country, it's in all of them. It is, it is.

And it's, but for me personally, I had no idea this happened in Memphis. And when I, to this day, I might be working in a backyard and I mean, it happens to me probably multiple times a day, I just look up and thank you God, I love what I'm doing. I love to interact and help these people have the resource. They're so appreciative. I mean, it is the majority of the people that I work with. And I love it. I love to in some way help them

provide better care for their pets, but make life a little easier for them in some way. Yeah. That's absolutely beautiful. If somebody wants to support you financially or get off their butts and come help you because there's plenty of people that could do it on the weekends or an evening or whatever, how do they find Susie? Well, our website is allforsrescue rescue.com that is it all with a four?

Yeah, a ll number four s rescue.com. Okay. Our email is all fours rescue at yahoo.com. That comes right to you. Correct. Good. So people can call you can email you and get your number call you talk to you whatever. Can they donate on that website? Yes, yes they can. Suzie? Awareness is part of it. So it's, you know, just getting the word out with you guys that the issues exist, not only here, but in Memphis and what these areas are facing and bringing the awareness not only to the dogs but these the underserved areas. You are you are inspirational and it is cool and when I first heard from Alex that we were

going to be talking to a woman about dog houses I thought how deep is that going to get? Turns out pretty deep. you should come out sometime you know what I'm going to tell Lisa about you Lisa would be a dog advocate in the biggest way She's yeah, I would love to do that. Yeah, she should come out. It's it does mean it's Yeah, there's it's it's life-altering. Tell Claude to call Lisa. Drag her out. Yeah she'll do it. I mean Claudia loved it. She did. She jumped right in. You know she rode along one time and that was it. She was in. I'm gonna read it given you didn't Bill. Claudia said I don't know how to

describe her other than a bad-ass woman dedicated to her cause. I went out with her one day and was scared shitless a few times. That sounds like Claudia. It's probably a good thing and a bad thing, but I don't get scared easily. Suzie, thanks for your story. Thanks for the work you're doing. Thanks for your time. Well, thank you.

Thank you for having me. Honored. And thank you for joining us this week. If Suzy Hollenbach has inspired you in general, or better yet, to actually take action by volunteering with All 4's Rescue League, donating to them, or starting something like it in your own community, getting involved with an existing rescue group or something else entirely, please let me know about it. I'd love to hear about it.

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