An Old Timey Podcast - 123: Pearl Harbor: Titanic for Boys (Part 2)

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

You might have thought we couldn’t make it through last week’s episode, but just like Ben Affleck in Pearl Harbor, we’re alive, we’re here, and we’re really pissed at you for listening to other podcasts while we were gone. In this episode, Normie C continues to decipher fact from fiction. Meanwhile, Kristin wonders whether we’ll ever hear more about Michael Shannon’s surfboards. Remember, kids, history hoes always cite their sources! For this episode, we pulled from: Bay, Michael, dir. Pearl Harbor. Touchstone Pictures, 2001.Cutrer, Thomas W., and T. Michael Parrish. Doris Miller, Pearl Harbor, and the Birth of the Civil Rights Movement. Texas A&M University Press, 2018.“Doolittle Raid.” http://public1.nhhcaws.local/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/world-war-ii/1942/halsey-doolittle-raid.html.Imperial War Museums. The Reason Japan Attacked Pearl Harbor. 2021. 13:52. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so4v_2zq35k.The National WWII Museum | New Orleans. “US Intelligence Failures at Pearl Harbor.” September 18, 2025. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/us-intelligence-failures-pearl-harbor.U.S. Department of War. “Pilots Fought Back Heroically Against Pearl Harbor Attack.” https://www.war.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/3973184/pilots-fought-back-heroically-against-pearl-harbor-attack/.Are you enjoying An Old Timey Podcast? Then please leave us a 5-star rating and review wherever you listen to podcasts!Are you *really* enjoying An Old Timey Podcast? Well, calm down, history ho! You can get more of us on Patreon at patreon.com/oldtimeypodcast. At the $5 level, you’ll get a monthly bonus episode (with video!), access to our 90’s style chat room, plus the entire back catalog of bonus episodes from Kristin’s previous podcast, Let’s Go To Court.

Hear ye, hear ye. You are listening to an old-timey podcast. I'm Kristen Caruso. And I'm Normie C. And on this episode, we'll be talking about Pearl Harbor again. We're still talking about it. It's the final episode that we're talking about it, though. I am sick of this movie. Hooray! Oh my God, Norm. I'm losing my marbles here. You're Pearl Harbor driving you crazy. Here's the thing about this episode. This episode, we're, we're, we're. covering the actual Pearl Harbor event, so to speak, and then all the stuff that happens afterward. It's about half of the movie.

Yep. And what this episode will encapsulate is my absolute favorite part of the movie. First 45 minutes, absolute favorite. Then the last 45 minutes of this movie, which is just pure dog shit. Oh. It is. It is terrible. I actually like the end.

Norman, no. Oh, okay. Oh, we're going to have. to fight. I guess we'll talk about it. I guess we will. Some good history in the later half of the movie. Oh my God. It goes on forever. Yeah, the movie's too long. I mean, there's no doubt about that. And just so, just so everyone's clear, we do at an old-timey podcast, see the irony and saying this three-hour movie is too long while we talk about it for probably more than three hours. Oh, yeah, I think so. We see the irony, but we don't want to hear about it. Yeah. Folks, if you

want to support this small, sexy, independent podcast, head on over to patreon.com slash old-timey podcast, where for just $5 a month, you get access to our entire back catalog of bonus episodes, plus you get access to the Discord. But if Patreon's not your thing, we also have a YouTube channel membership. Kirsten, how many members are we up to now? Okay, so we recorded our last episode just a couple days ago. So, you know, a couple days ago, we had six members on there. All right?

Okay. Not too shabby. A lot of people would be very jealous. Today, guess what, friends? We got eight of you. Eight of you on there. Ooh, all right. Okay, so no longer, we can't split a KFC bucket anymore.

Absolutely not. We're going to need a couple buckets. But we could still go into probably any mid-range chain restaurant and be seated together. We could walk into Chili's and probably get seated. No problem. No problem. Or like a party platter from a sub shop. We could split that.

That might be pretty good. Norm, are you hungry? I am so hungry. Are you really? Yeah. Norm, this is, okay, we need to stop and you need to eat. No, no. I want to talk about Pearl Harbor.

Okay, okay? How dare you? Oh, I'm sorry. Anyway, if you like this podcast, atrium.com slash old-timey podcast or YouTube.com slash old-timey podcast. And with that, Kristen, let's talk about Pearl Harbor. Part two. Do we need to do a recap? No.

We're just diving right in. No. I am so mad at this movie. It's still too fresh how mad I am at the last 45 minutes, which apparently you love. But I do want to say something. What? I don't remember if I said this in our part one. Okay.

I know I talked about how the only two characters with chemistry were Danny and Rave, you know. But did I come out and just say that they should have had the romantic story? That would have been a much better movie. We talked about that, yeah. Okay. Well, I just feel it very strongly, so it needs to be said again. We could do without Evelyn, for sure. And just make this, these two guys are browing it up in the skies.

They should be the ones in the parachute hangar. That would be a hot film. Sort of like a, you know, heated rivalry was a big hit with HBO Max. Imagine two pilots getting it on during Pearl Harbor. I mean, okay, we weren't ready for it in two. 2001. I think in 2026, we are born ready. We are ready to go, creamed up. I'm sorry, that was gross. You know what? Let's get started here. Okay. So just set the scene. This is prior to the attack. Everyone in America is just love and life having a good time. Except for Raff and Danny, they're kind of having their heart to heart out on the beach. It's nighttime.

Top down on the convertible. Unfortunately, they're not banging. We want them to, but it was 2000. one. It's a Disney movie not happening back then. Danny wants to make things right. But Rafe doesn't see how their relationship could ever be the same. Because Danny is banging Rafe's former girlfriend. Yeah, she thought he was dead. We all remember Norm. You don't have to provide this context. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm trying to do a little recap. Uh-huh. We see you recapping. Watch part one if you don't know what's going on. All right. So then we get the ominous music. Because in a way, It's like when Ben Affleck said it could never be the same. He's talking about more than just their friendship.

That's deep. And we know what's happening because we had that very helpful scene over in Japan where they had that gigantic calendar that showed us. It's December 7, 1941. In English, thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, cut to Japan. Now, in last week's episode, I read some very steamy war-timore.

letters, we did not laugh at them inappropriately at all because they were so heartfelt. We've got another wartime letter. This one is not steamy. It's a Japanese soldier writing to his father. Here's what it says. Reveread father, I go now to fulfill my mission and my destiny. I hope it is a destiny that will bring honor to our family. And if it requires my life, I will sacrifice it gladly to be a good servant of our nation. That could have been written by literally anyone in the Japanese army. Wow, too generic for you? I mean, it's on theme, if you remember from our Hiro Onoda series.

Oh, I remember. I remember. Kind of. It was. Hero took it too far. Way too far. Way too far. Hiro, you got to stop, buddy.

Previous topic? Then we see a montage of Japan getting ready to attack. They're running. They're pouring sake. They're firing up the planet. They're also putting on some headband things. I didn't know if that was racist or if they really did that. I thought they looked cool.

No, I believe the pilots did. All right, good. That makes me feel better. I was a little nervous because I did like it. I also liked their outdoor meetings, but I now know that that was very stupid. And I should have questioned that. It was ridiculous. Then, uh-oh, we're back in America.

And our boys are looking at their Doppler radar kits saying, uh-oh, we got a large haze. But that's too big to be planes, right? Right? Hmm. Cut to an American lieutenant. Feet on his desk, playing chess with someone on the phone. Yeah.

You're not bothered by that. I find it odd. Anyhow. And someone yells, Lieutenant, Radar's picking up a large return moving in from the northeast. And we know it's the Japanese coming for him. But this lieutenant is not worried at all. He puts his chest buddy on hold.

And he shouts back, relax it's a flight of B-17s coming in from the mainland true story really that actually happened so radar technology was fairly new still were kind of working the kinks out getting used to it yeah i think i even mentioned the movie like you can't identify what it actually is it's just like little blips blobs yeah and so yeah that guy assumed it was B-17s coming in from the mainland because they were scheduled to arrive at Pearl Harbor that morning. That sucks. Now, they would have been a little early, but still, like, it was not.

You're not going to freak out because someone is on time. Yeah, it wasn't out of the ordinary. Okay. Then we cut to an American Admiral out on the golf course. Some Torp commander interrupts him, and the Admiral is like, this better be good. And the twirp says, one of our destroyers reports having fired and sunk enemy submarine attempting to enter Pearl Harbor at 0653. And the admiral's like, it's 720.

And the commander says, we had decoder delays Admiral. And the Admiral goes, relay this to Washington. Recall the staff. Also true? True story. They sunk a submarine near Pearl Harbor that morning. Okay. So far, this is all very accurate.

Are we about to hear how this is all just a very accurate film and we should all relax? No, I mean, there are pieces of this film that are true. Mm-hmm. But like we discussed in part one, there's a lot of ridiculousness as well. I don't know what you mean. Anyway, cut to the Japanese planes. They're coming. Then cut to Dan Aykroyd, furiously decoding Japanese messages.

He reads, failure, peace talks, useless. So he gets on the horn to Washington. He's sweaty. He hasn't been this mad since he got slimed by slimer. He says that the Japanese are communicating to their embassy in Washington to destroy and discontinue the use of their decoding machines. True story. Cut to the Admiral, who is no longer on the golf course.

He's taking this very seriously. And when he hears that news, we get an epic line. This movie is just all epic lines. Yes. And here's this one. The Japanese are expecting a war. Should we? It's a stupid line.

No, no, no, no, Norman. This is really building to something. What is he getting all philosophical? He's an admiral. Come on, Admiral. What do you want him to do? He just got off the golf course. He didn't even finish that whole.

Cut to the inside of a Japanese plane. The pilot has two photos up on his little dashboard. I hope that's what they call it. What, photos? Dashboard. Sure. A plane's dashboard, yeah. One is a photo of the USS Oklahoma.

And the other is a photo of a lady. Because what is this movie, if not a romance film? That's right. Is this man, the Ben Affleck or Josh Hartnett, of his movie? There's no time to figure that out. Cut to Dan Aykroyd. He's decoding more messages. He reads, broken relationship, hostilities imminent.

And then he looks out into the distance and says, but where? So that's a little... Perfect. Embellished, far-fetched. etc, etc. What do you mean? Well, that message from the Japanese embassy or whatever. Right.

American intelligence had decrypted that so quickly. Like they already had all that information. And the idea that they're like, where are they attacking? We have no idea. No, they had an idea that it was Pearl Harbor. Well, and I think Dan Aykroy just needs to believe in himself because earlier in the film he was talking about Pearl Harbor. He's not a real person, Kristen.

Dan Aykroyd is absolutely a real person. Captain Thurman. And he got spanked by that mean boss of his who talked real close to his face and got condescending. And then he lost his confidence. And that's why he's looking out into the distance like, where will they attack? He knows deep inside. Captain Thurman was a made-up character for the movie. Okay.

Okay, now we're cutting back to Doris Miller. Again, we get about four minutes of this real man, this real hero. We would love eight minutes, as many minutes as we have members on our YouTube channel. He's on the ship, and his captain is asking, Did you ever lose a fight, Miller? And Dora says, I've been lucky so far, captain. And captain says, from what I hear, it ain't luck. Ship's proud of you, son.

Yeah. Establishes that relationship between the captain. and his mess attendant. Yeah. They smile at each other. It's a real, real heartfelt moment. Absolutely. Again, racism was explained in 15 seconds in very vague terms, and we can't touch it again.

It actually wasn't a thing in this movie. Yeah, isn't that nice? So then we get the B-roll of happy Americans doing happy things, having a good time. Oh, my God. That part. What's wrong? You don't like Happy B-roll? Here's a thing.

It's 7 a.m. in Pearl Harbor. Right. And there's like, I think soldiers playing football. I didn't even think about that. There's kids playing baseball. At 7 a.m. Like, what is happening at 7 a.m.?

And then, you know, there's like a family doing a photo shoot with a little girl with butterfly wings. And it's like, oh, what a picturesque morning in Hawaii. Blah, blah, blah. It was just a little too much. You know, some of us are early risers and go-getters, Norm. That's right. Maybe they all had depression, too. Yeah.

Depression baseball. Yeah. For the kiddos. I'm sad. Japanese planes fly overhead. Then they release torpedoes. The explosions starts. The gunfire starts.

Danny and Rave wake up from their nap. They're in the front seat of the convertible now. Okay, I will say, in defense of the B-roll, because I know you don't like how active people are being here. Yeah. We did see some sleeping. Okay? They cut to the American Shoehl.

chips. All those fellows are asleep. Yeah, they're sleeping. Sure. We cut to Evelyn. She's asleep with a full face of makeup. Yeah, we did notice that. Did notice that. We cut to Raff and Danny. They're in that top-down convertible. Danny's sprawled out in the front. Rafe sprawled out in the back. A little hungover. Both sleeping. We shan't let our imaginations run wild. Oh, I see what you're saying. No, you don't. You think they, um... I'm about to bust. I wish. Again, Much better movie. So the Japanese planes fly overhead. Then they release torpedoes.

The explosion start. Gunfire. Danny and Rafe wake up from their nap. They're in the front seat of the convertible now. A Navy photographer jumps in the backseat. It's chaos. And he says, go, go, go, go. I'm with the Navy newsreel.

And I can tell you one thing. Them ain't Navy planes. Ooh! Okay. I have to interrupt. What? Okay, number one, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, they actually did not attack the ships first. They attacked the airfields because they did not want the Americans to counterattack with their own planes.

Right, that's smart. That makes sense. It didn't happen in the movie. Second of all, in that scene, Raph and Danny, you know, they're kind of waking up from being hung over. And they're like, oh, why's the Navy doing drills? Yeah, on a Sunday. So they are in the U.S. Army Air Corps. Okay.

They are very familiar with American planes. Uh-huh. They should know what they sound like. They would absolutely know that is not an American plane we hear. A Japanese zero has a very, very distinct sound. So they would definitely be like, what the hell is that? Apparently this Navy Newsreel guy knows that they are not Navy planes, but these two Army Air Corps guys don't know that.

Maybe the Newsreel guy wasn't hung over. he'd gotten a good look at the planes. Also, I think that Navy news guy says, I didn't know the Japs were sore at us. Yeah, I chose not to include anything where that term was used. I mean, I know they used that term all the time back then, but... I bring that up because if this guy is in the Navy Newsreel... Maybe he's the dumbest guy that got.

You would know hostilities were eminent with the Japanese. The whole year. It was a thing. The whole year. Actually, I saw a poll right before Pearl Harbor. How big was it? Did you spin around? I want to swing from the chandelier.

There is a public poll. Okay. Right before Pearl Harbor. 52% of Americans thought war with Japan was imminent. Wow. So this guy might be the day. dumbest Navy Newsrail man of all time. Yeah, I mean, I get that you're criticizing the film,

but you should also remember that not everyone is good at their jobs. Fair point. Well, what happens next, Kristen? Okay, so we see another Japanese plane. In this one, the pilot has a photo of the USS Arizona. He drops a bomb. It explodes. Holy shit, this movie is so good.

It's the best movie ever. It's an action movie now. Man your battle stations. I love it. Okay, this is 45 minutes of good shit. You like the battle scenes. I know that's weird. I know that's not really on brand.

But you know that when a movie gets action-packed, I'm in my seat locked and loaded, ready to go. I love it. What do you think it is about action scenes? It holds all my attention. I forget that I want a snack. I forget that I kind of have to pee. I forget that I would like a different beverage next to me.

I forget all that. Because I'm in it, baby. The battle scenes are well done. My only problem with them is they involve people and characters we know nothing about. So I'm, I kind of am not invested at all. Really? Yeah, I mean, they're well done. They're well shot.

Yeah, no, it is. It feels like a good action scene. But I'm just, it's just like people getting mowed down, like nameless faces, just getting mowed down. And it's just like, I don't know, this is kind of. No, you're right. It's hard to care a ton when you know no one's backstory whatsoever. Right.

But visually, this part of the movie is stunning. And I know that I sound like a 13-year-old boy saying that. Cool. I mean, it is. Well, okay, so I did read some criticism of the movie, and it's like, oh, yeah, it's good if you like fireworks explosions. And I'm like, who doesn't like fireworks? Shut up. But there's a lot of explosions.

It's a lot to look at up. Oh, they're better than fireworks. fireworks explosion. They used to do that in the old timey movies when they wanted to do an explosion and a battle scene. They just like set off a firework and it's clearly a firework. These were good special effects. Yeah. Yeah. So everyone's running around. We're back to Doris Miller. He's standing there with a tray of food looking around like, should I be a hero? Yes, he should be a hero. Cut to the car with Danny, Rave and the photographer. He's taking video of the whole thing, but Rave just wants to get in a plane and kick some ass. Danny just hopes

there's some airfield left. Okay, so we're concerned. Mm-hmm. More bombs, more destructions, not fireworks, just really good special effects. That's right. Holy shit, we cut to Evelyn. She and all the gals wake up. Evelyn's like, everyone to the hospital, so they start going.

Then we get more shooting, more bombs, more explosions. Doris Miller is in the chaos. He finds his captain badly injured, just as you described in your fabulous episode, Norm. Right. Trapped no in his abdomen. That's right. Doris wraps his apron around the captain's wound as the captain gives him orders. Initiate damage control.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Find my ex-o. Tell him to assume command. You make sure the gunners, blah, blah, blah. And Doris says, everyone's where they need to be, Captain. You trained us well. And then, the captain dies in Doris's arms. Did he die in Doris's arms?

No, absolutely not. Okay. Well, the magic of the movies. And he survived for quite a bit longer than how the movie... That's what I was... He had a very slow, painful death, unfortunately. Also, in the movie, Doris Miller and the captain are completely alone. Yes.

They hang out all the time. They're best friends. Not happening. There were people running around everywhere. The captain was not alone in the bridge. There were multiple people trying to help him and move him to safety. Well, you ruined a great moment there. Okay.

Honestly, it's like, it's fine in the movie. Yeah, it's whatever. I'm just saying it's not accurate. Yeah. But it's fine. So cut to the nurses, running to the hospital. They're dodging bullets. It is nuts.

Oh. You know that I am having difficulty believing everything that you're telling me. I have something to say about that, Kristen. Okay, Judge Judy. Let's talk about it. This did seem way too fantastical. It didn't happen. The Japanese did not attack the naval hospital.

Okay. They did not strafe innocent people. Strafe? Like when a plane's strafe. It's firing bullets. I thought you were making up words. No. Okay.

You're just expanding my vocabulary. That's right. Thank you. They were not gunning down people running to the hospital. They weren't bombing the hospital. That didn't happen. That is really good to know. And that's really gross that that was in the movie because it was literally like mostly women just running and being shot down by these planes.

So medical personnel, there were. was one casualty during Pearl Harbor of a medical personnel. But he wasn't at the hospital. He was on his way to the hospital. Oh, so he was mowed down running to the hospital with all the ladies. Not like at the door of the hospital. No, the Japanese did not attack the naval hospital. Okay, there are rules of warfare. Sure. Sometimes they're followed. Sometimes they're not. But yeah, you don't bomb a hospital. Gotcha. What happens next, Kristen?

Okay, now we're at the American airfield. Danny and Rave and the photographer arrive. Boom, more explosions. Cue the fireworks. Rafe says, Danny, get me into a damn plane. I love that line. Get me into a damn plane. You just know he's going to make some ass.

So then we cut back to Doris Miller. It's chaos. He tells a dude, Captain says you're in charge. Then, amongst all, I keep saying chaos, but that's what it is, he sees an empty machine gun, wide-eyed. Doris Miller goes up to it. And he starts blasting. Yeah. The Japanese planes are coming

right at him and he's yelling and he's firing away. God! God! Come on! Come on! Come on! You're so bitch! And he shoots a Japanese plane down and he watches it, boom! Exploded! It's a great scene. Cupidan Jr. does a great job in this scene. Yeah, that was an awesome scene. You really

feel it. Like, you feel that moment of, holy shit, it's just there. Holy shit, I'm firing this gun. Yeah. And I shot down a plane. It's incredible. Yeah, that's a good scene.

And, you know, Doris Miller runs up to that officer. He's like, you're in charge. I believe that's supposed to be Lieutenant White, who in the Doris Miller episode was the guy who ordered Miller, go get me ammo. Yeah. And then when he looked over, Miller was on the gun firing, you know. Okay. I believe that's supposed to be Lieutenant White. So that was a cool little touch in the movie that, like, he was there too.

Yeah. Great scene. Probably the best scene in the movie, honestly. Absolutely. Cut to the hospital. Places getting rocked by the attacks, windows breaking, explosions everywhere. Because I don't know if you know this.

The Japanese were just bombing the shit out of the hospital. In the movie. Look it up. It did not happen in real life. Now we go back to Raph and Danny, and Danny gets on the phone. He's talking to Earl, who's one of the mechanics. And I love Earl because he has a hat on with the bill flipped up

and he's written Earl on it. as Earl. So that's how I know. Yeah. These characters are so generic and have no personality. I'm glad they identified who Earl is. Earl is filled to the brim with personality. How dare you?

Which, by the way, is played by Tom Seismore. That is the role he was made for. The like grunty, rough sergeant in the military. So he's basically the same character in saving Private Ryan. Okay. And he's the same character in Black Hawk Down. I have no issue with this. Yeah, he's great.

You've got a strength. Let's keep you in it, buddy. Yeah, we love Earl. So Danny's on the horn with Earl, and Earl's like, what the hell is that noise? You boys doing target practice or something? And Danny says, the best line in the whole movie. I think World War II just started.

That is the line of Pearl Harbor. To me, this is like when you're watching a movie, and they say the title of the movie in the movie. And you kind of go, oh, yeah. You look like you have things to say about this. I just, I hate that line so much. Why?

It's stupid. No, no, it is actually very smart because he's realizing in real time. You know what? We're going to stop calling it the Great War. We're going to call that one World War I. And I have a feeling that what's happening here is going to, going to be called World War II, and I think it just started. I've just named the sequel to World War I.

I think World War II just started. Here's how stupid that line is. Okay. You know that movie, like United 93 or like World Trade Center with Nicholas Cage? I absolutely did not see either one of those. It'd be like if like shit was going down in that movie and a character was like, I think 9-11 just started. I would not be surprised at all if in a Nicholas Cage movie, he had several lines just like that.

Yeah, it's a stupid line, but man, it's like burned in my brain when I think of Pearl Harbor. Yeah. I think World War II just started. So maybe in a way, it's a great line. And it's brilliant. So then we cut to men on a sinking ship. This part I found very chilling. All the stuff, the scenes they had where men were either trying to get off a sinking ship were trapped within the sinking ship.

Yeah. It's just horrible. Yeah. And I mentioned in the Doris Miller episode how many men died at Pearl Harbor stuck in those ships. Yeah. It's awful. And we'll get to that more because I don't know if you know this, but that is going to be covered here. Oh, excellent.

Mm-hmm. Then we cut to Warner from Legally Blonde. He's in this movie. Did we confirm it's him? I know in my phones it's him. You doubted me. Don't you dare doubt me. I know.

That's Matthew Davis is the actor. He doesn't have a name. Isn't it Warner Huntington the 3rd? Warner Huntington the 3rd is his legally blonde. He was in Pearl Harbor. He's Joe McKinnon. Ha, ha, ha. Would you have guessed his name in Pearl Harbor?

guessed his name? His character in Pearl Harbor. Would you have known his name was Joe McKinnon? Um, okay, I only know that because I have watched this movie twice now. Oh, and they yell for Joe. They yell for Joe. And I was like, I'm not writing that down. He is Warner.

He's Warner, yeah. Okay, so Warner is a good guy in this movie, which is confusing for me because he was such a bad guy and legally blind. Anyway, he and some other fellas jump into the car with Danny and Rafe. where are they headed to a, quote, small mechanic runway about 10 minutes away. It hasn't been hit yet. How does Danny know this? Don't worry about it. They got to go there.

That's a great point. How did they know that? Magic. Well, wait a minute. He called Earl. We have to assume that after he delivered that epic line, I think World War II just started. Earl said, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's amazing.

This should be a movie. Hey, how much you come down here? we haven't been bombed yet. He said, Danny, what a great name for this upcoming global conflict. I'm going to write that on the inside of my hat. Okay, then we get a truly amazing shot. Maybe my favorite in the whole film. The boys are in the convertible, top down, Danny, rave, photographer, Warner Huntington, the third.

Michael Shannon, still thinking about his surfboard, but we're not going to talk about it. And ever. And some other dude, I think it's red, you know, the guy with the stutter. Yeah. Anyhow, they're all in there. And they are being tracked by, I shit you not. I counted seven Japanese planes. Yes, they're following.

These seven Japanese planes who have a mission to destroy the Pacific Fleet are following this little car. One convertible. These planes are, of course, outfitted with guns. All right. They are ready to go. do the Japanese manage to hit any of the dudes in this car? No, they do not. Do they do damage to the car?

Yes, some, but she still drives like a dream. So suck on that. Wonderful. Okay. Now we cut back to the sinking ship. Again, oof. Tough scenes. I laughed so hard at the convertible getting away from all those planes,

and then they cut to this, and you know it's, this is real. Like, this is based on something. real and something horrifying. These men trapped inside these ships. Then we cut to FDR learning about the attack. He is in his wheelchair. Why am I mentioning it? Well, it's going to be

really important for a very stupid scene later in the movie. Objection. You know that I am having difficulty believing everything that you're telling me. So in that scene FDR, he gets handed like a paper and he drops

it to the floor and he's like, my God. Yeah, that's what you do in all dramatic scenes. You read it and then you drop it. Yeah. He would not... Drop anything. No, they're making it seem like he's shocked by the zoo's. FDR was informed about the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor before it happened.

So, like, he knew it was happening. And we'll talk more about, like, what went wrong. Okay. Because, like, intelligence found out what was going on, but... there were some communication issues and they could not notify Pearl Harbor in time before the attack started. Okay, I am excited to hear about this because I've always heard some like conspiracy theory stuff around Pearl Harbor. Yeah, that's bullshit. Okay.

That's bullshit. People are like, oh yeah, FDR knew it was happening. And so he just let it happen because he wanted to go to war. Yeah, so that's what I've heard is that it was like, yeah, we knew it was happening and it was allowed to happen. That's based on bullshit conspiracy. I learned about that on the history channel. Yeah. It's actually a lot sadder.

Yeah, intelligence from the, you know, that diplomatic, the Japanese foreign embassy. Yeah. They were like, oh, my God, they're going to attack Pearl Harbor. It was like bad weather or the communications were down for the military. They could not communicate with Pearl Harbor. They had to send a Western Union telegram. Okay. And there's a scene later we'll talk about.

Yes. Yes. I wondered about that. Yeah. That is why it was a complete failure of our intelligence. A failure of our intelligence. Well, in U.S. intelligence. That has a lot of meaning. Okay. Cut to the hospital. The injured have arrived. There's not enough space, not enough supplies, not enough resources. Evelyn is barking orders.

A guy comes in with a neck wound. actually artery has been cut and he asks Evelyn am I going to die? And she presses her fingers against the cut artery trying to slow the bleeding and she does it

the way I would do it Yeah, she does. I was going to say she's like, ew, and she's like very timidly doing it. I'm like, aren't you a nurse? This is what I hate. I hate.

I'm trained to do this. Hate about these hospital scenes is the movie wants us to well maybe the movie doesn't want us to respect Evelyn. I don't know, but it's like, in real life, I'm sure these nurses and doctors worked their asses off. Yes. And to have this scene where she's like, I have to put my finger.

Okay. And we're going to talk more about other things where I'm like, you are a military nurse and you're surprised by X, Y, and Z. Anyway, we'll get to it. So, you know, she's trying to stop the bleeding and she's disgusted by the whole thing because she's not into blood. She should have been a teacher. I don't know. She screams, doctor, get over here. And she saves his life.

Will she weirdly use this moment to manipulate this man later in the film? What a strange question. Absolutely. Cut to Danny and Raff and their magical convertible, which has been banged up a bit, but she's still going strong. Which somehow was not destroyed by... seven Japanese zeros following it. Also, it was hit by like seven bullets. If all those planes fired on that car, everyone would be dead in that car.

Like instantly. It's insane. So they arrive at the magical airfield that has not been bombed yet. But, oh, wait, here comes the enemy. Don't worry. Earl has a shotgun. He also has ammo, a couple planes they can use. It's all good.

I actually love that scene of him taking the shotgun and firing at the plane. It's great. Like, that is such an Earl thing to do. Yeah, I mean, such. He's pissed off. He's an angry redneck. And, you know, that can be a good thing. So they get in the planes.

They also have guns now. They start blasting. And in the chaos, the newsman, this, here's another moment for you. He's capturing everything on his video camera. But then he gets knocked ass over applesauce by, is it a Japanese bullet, a bomb? I don't know. I was looking down. The explosions were wild.

Sure. His video camera lands on the ground, and the last shot it records is his dead face. Right. But I remember watching, it's kind of comical the way he falls. It is. It is. I mean, truly ass over applesauce. I mean, I meant it. He does a flipperoonie.

Yeah. And the-I think I heard you giggling in the other room. I did because it was so stupid. I mean, this is part of like, so I've read some criticism that people, really feel like you don't walk away really respecting what these people went through, respecting what they did. And it's because there are these stupid moments that just make it not feel real at all. Yeah. And I submit that the ass over applesauce moment is one of those moments. Also, the nurse is being grossed out by blood and being shocked by sick people. You know what my

moment is? What? I think World War II just started. Okay, they got to get to the planes. Raph gets in his plane, Danny gets in his, Warner gets in his. But boy, if his plane doesn't get shot down like 12 feet off the ground. Goodbye, Warner. He gets lit the hell up. We hardly knew ye. Poor Joe. Warner Huntington the third. That's who he is in this household. Honestly, when he didn't let Elle join the study group in League of One, that's what he gets. Yeah, she brought muffins, you asshole. Yeah. So now it's just up to Rave and Danny. And it's a lot. a good thing that they took off when they did because the second they left, the whole place just blew to pieces. It's two best friends against the world now.

They are outnumbered. Is that a big deal? No, because they have the power of friendship and teamwork, okay? That's right. And so all of a sudden, these Japanese fellas, uh-oh, Americans are coming for you, and Rafe says, how do you like it when someone's shooting back at you? Ooh. Ooh.

Americans were definitely shooting back at the Japanese when they attacked. Yeah, I mean, Earl had his shotgun, we know. But, I mean, there's tons of anti-aircraft guns around Pearl Harbor. They were definitely shooting back. No, this is the first moment. They were caught by surprise, but they definitely shot back. Okay, cut to Japan. They're receiving reports of a tremendous victory.

One man goes to the Admiral and reports, out of 350 planes, we have only lost 29. We are prepared to launch a third wave, Admiral. And the admiral says, we no longer have surprise. We will withdraw the third wave. Norm, is this real? It is. Oh. It is.

It's not like Japan had this plan of like, we're going to launch three waves of planes. Well, it sounds like they did. But, you know, they sent in a first wave of planes, successful, sent in a second wave of planes. The Americans were firing back now. Yeah, we heard Ben. They were gathering troops. So when it was like, do we send in another wave, they said, no, the surprise is gone. There's a lot of anti-aircraft activity going on.

And the other thing was, I don't know if we mentioned this in part one, but luckily for the United States, their aircraft carriers were not at Pearl Harbor. And as we discussed in the Doris Miller episode, that is the biggest, baddest ship the Navy builds is aircraft carriers. Oh. They were not at Pearl Harbor at the time. And the Japanese were like, where are the aircraft carriers? We wanted to bomb those fuckers. Okay. I can't remember where they were.

They weren't at Pearl Harbor. Okay. And so the Japanese were worried, oh, are they going to launch a counterattack with these aircraft carriers? Sure, sure. And so, yeah, they called off the third wave. But those casualty numbers are accurate, too. Cut to the hospital. They're low on morphine.

Uh-huh. They have to mark their patients, but they don't have a marker. So they use lipstick because of the power of feminine. Absolutely. They need a tourniquet. Oh, my gosh, they don't have anything. Evelyn volunteers her stockings. Again, it's like, it feels like girl bossing a little bit, but...

This is a feminist movie, Kristen. Yeah, I know. So here's a real moment for me that just drives me nuts. The doctor tells Evelyn she needs to go outside and sort the incoming patients. Because, you know, all kinds of injured people. This hospital can't handle it. It's a mess. Yeah, there's men.

There's men walking like zombies toward the hospital. You're going too far ahead. Okay. I just, I hate that scene too. So he's telling her, you got to go out there, sort the incoming patients.

Here's how their dialogue goes. Doctor. Only those that can be saved. You bring in. Evelyn. Oh, and the doctor says, no, please do it.

I need you to do it. Go, go, go. And finally she does. Norman, what the hell, kind of any nurse, but let alone a military nurse, is shocked and reluctant to engage in, like, kind of what's a triage system? Like, if someone's going to die, yeah, we can't bring. I mean, that's common sense. Like, and that's hard, but that's part of the job. Kristen.

Is she the dumbest? Is she as bad at her job as that news guy is? Excuse me? Yes. She just found out her ex-boyfriend is alive. And she's pregnant with his best friend's baby. That is unrelated to this moment. She's got a lot on her mind right now, okay?

You know, if anything's going to snap you out of it, how about a whole bunch of dead and dying people? I mean, fair. Yeah. She's having a bad day. Oh, God. That's what this movie should have been called. Evelyn's bad day.

Evelyn's bad day. So she goes outside, and it looks like the walking dead. Just all these people, you know. know, they're blackened from all the explosions. They're, they're terribly injured. It's awful. Evelyn is marking people on the forehead with her lipstick, whether they're critical or whether they're going to die.

We find out that Betty is dead. Who's Betty? She's Red's fiance. Right. She was shot by the Japanese. Yeah, because they love shooting the women running. Because they love shooting hospitals. It's, it's funny, they were able to shoot those ladies, but they couldn't.

shoot the convertible full of dudes. That's what you call plot armor, Kristen. So in this moment, the film, I've got it, ding, ding, ding. We said in our last episode that it did not pass the Bechtel test. It actually does because of this moment right here, which I submit is also an infuriating moment. Okay, Jennifer Garner is also a nurse in this, and, you know, they realize Betty is dead, they're devastated,

and Jennifer Garner turns to Evelyn. she's like, make sure, are you sure? Are you sure she's dead? And Evelyn tells her to go back to work. And Jennifer says, I don't know what to do. And that is a scene where two named female characters are having a conversation and it's not about a man technically. Now, one of them is it doesn't know what to do with her job and somehow doesn't know when someone's dead and she's a nurse. But we'll take it. We will take it. The only good thing I can say about this scene is it does show kind of the chaos. of the day. Yes. But yeah, the fact that these nurses are like, what do I do? How do I, how do I triage patients? How do I stop someone from bleeding? That's a little ridiculous. Yeah, I,

obviously, there would be an element of what do I do. And I do think you can go into shock, but I also think that when you're in that role, I feel like it would be much more natural to go right into it and start helping people. Okay, we're cutting back to the ships. It's horrible. There's wreckage. Now they're looking for survivors. Doris Miller, we find out it has made it.

And then the Admiral gets the message you were talking about from Washington. And it reads, attack by Japan considered imminent. And the Admiral says, they're only an hour late. And he does the thing that you apparently don't enjoy. He drops the paper. So true story, that actually happened. It was late. And it's because of those communication lines were down, had to be sent by Western Union.

And they show a yellow piece of paper, the Western Union. I'm glad you said this because I did think that was weird. Yeah. Like, why would that be the way they received this message? Well, the movie never mentions that, like, oh, shit, the communication lines are down. Yeah. But can I talk about Danny and Rafe getting in planes? Sure.

Okay, Kristen. This is based on a true story. Really? Yes. Let me tell you about it. Okay. Second lieutenants George Welch and Kenneth Taylor were able to get into planes during the attack on Pearl Harbor, and they shot down an estimated six Japanese planes. Wow.

And you ready for their backstory? Yes. Because it's going to sound familiar. Okay. They're in love. So Welch and Taylor. We're buddies. They had partied the night before.

Wow. They had only gotten like an hour and a half of sleep, and then the attack started. Oh, my God. They were in their tuxedos. Oh, my God. They called an airfield and were like, get some planes ready. We're on our way. Uh-huh.

They zoomed over to the airfield in a car. Uh-huh. They were shot at by a Japanese plane. Oh, my God. So they got in the planes. They took off. They saw some Japanese dive bombers, which, you know, are a little slower than, like, fighter planes. Mm-hmm.

And they were able to take down a couple dive bombers. And then Welch and Taylor were able to land their planes, restock it with ammo, launch again and take out even more Japanese planes. That is incredible. Yeah, it's an incredible story. They were both awarded the Distinguished Service Cross, which is the second highest honor. Mm-hmm. The military gives. When this movie came out, Kenneth Taylor was still alive and he saw the movie.

Would you like to hear his review? Yeah. Quote, a piece of trash over sensationalized and distorted. Ooh. I respect him for giving his honest opinion. I imagine there would be a lot of pressure to be like, isn't it great? Look what we did. Isn't it great?

Look, these characters are, they did what you did. We paid homage to you. It is shocking to me to hear that story. And it makes me mad. Well, because this movie is so over the top, so cheesy. The dialogue is so stupid. You know, everything's so extra. But it doesn't have to be.

Like, the truth is incredible. That's the point I'm trying to make is when you do everything so extra, then it makes everything seem fake. Yeah. And you don't connect to any of the characters. You don't connect to any of the people. you lose sight of the fact that there are real people here. Mm-hmm.

And if the movie had been done in a way that stuck closer to the truth, it would have been incredible. Right. And I think that's what Torah, Torah, Torah is from 1970. Okay. That sticks to the truth much more. Yeah. But yeah, like, yeah, what Danny and Rafe do in Pearl Harbor, the movie is based on what Lieutenant George Welch and Kenneth Taylor actually did in real life. And that is amazing.

Yeah. It's incredible. Also, Doris Miller, I feel like they didn't give him enough credit in the movie. No. Because so he fires the gun, shoots out of plane. That's awesome. But, like, he helped carry the captain to safety when he was injured. He put out fires with the hose.

Yeah. He rescued who knows how many sailors from the water. and they didn't show those parts. They show him in a boat. They show him in a boat and it's kind of a cruise. He's looking for people, but they don't show him actually saving people. I actually, here's what I did not like about what they did with him.

They kind of made it all about how much he loved his captain. And it felt a little yucky to me like, because he was so, you know, I'm sure he did have, well, maybe he did have positive feelings toward his captain. he didn't. That's not what it's about though. That's not what made Doris Miller a hero. Yeah. But he's reduced to this kind

of character that's just like loved his captain, his captain loved him. Oh, captain, my captain. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree. That whole scene was like, you trained us well. You trained us well? Yeah. Didn't need to happen. Also, I'm backing up even more.

Okay. That's fine. Sorry. Before Danny and Rafe getting their planes. Danny's like, here's how we got to fight against the Japanese zero planes. Yeah, yeah. They're fast, so we got to do this, this, this. And I was just like, how does he know this?

Right. They've never fought the Japanese before. Well, how would Rafe know any of this? He was over fighting the Germans. Yeah. But apparently he knows a lot about Japanese zeros. Okay. Sorry, he's so knowledgeable.

Yeah, that's what it is. The actual attack on Pearl Harbor lasted like 19. minutes. Yeah. Almost as long as the actual scene in the movie, it feels like. I mean, the movie scene, I think, is like 45 minutes-ish. And, I mean, it is action-packed. Yeah.

So now we cut back to Japan. The Admiral is being congratulated on this successful attack. And the Admiral says, I fear all we have done is awaken, a sleeping giant. You know that I am having difficulty believing everything that you're telling me. This is a line from Toro, Toro, Toro, Toro. Oh, okay. So they stole it from Toro, Toro, Torah, Torah. Legend has it.

Admiral Yamamoto said this. He did not say this. There's no evidence he said this. Also, Admiral Yamamoto was not on an aircraft carrier during the attack on Pearl Harbor. He was back in Japan somewhere. He loved to be outdoors. If you have not read Roger Ebert's review of this movie, it's very good.

Okay. He hated this movie. but he talks about this scene in particular. It kind of stuck with him. Here's what he said. Quote, do you imagine at any point the Japanese High Command engaged in the 1941 Japanese equivalent of exchanging high fives and shouting yes while pumping their fists in the air? Not in this movie, where the Japanese seemed to have been melancholy, even at the time about the regrettable need to play such a negative role in such a positive Hollywood film?

And I talked about this in part one. It's like they're sad about what they're doing. And it's like the reality is this was a tremendous victory for the Japanese military. They caught the United States completely off guard, surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, destroyed a significant part of the Pacific Fleet. Yet they would be celebrating. I know it's awful to see if you're an American and all that, but like. So why do you think the movie didn't portray it?

that way? I don't know. I guess because, well, actually, I do know. It's because it's a rah, rah, ra, USA, USA. Why are they going to show the enemy being like, yeah, we just killed a bunch of Americans and we're going to celebrate? Well, I mean, it could make, you know, the audience feel raw, rah, ra, go get them, which I can see maybe being like, oh, we don't want to stir that up in people. But it's also that stereotypical of like, oh, the Japanese are very wise and Zen like and they know this is a mistake. So they have that line. It is very weird.

Yeah, this Admiral's lines, especially the ones where he's expressing regret, it makes no sense at all. I mean, I feel like people get regrets long after they've done something and they've had time to reflect. But like, dude, it's happening now. Like if you don't want to do it, you just stop. Yeah. I don't know where that quote came from.

You know, you see it a lot. I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant. An American made that up. I think so. It's kind of propaganda. It's masturbatory, yeah. Japan knew they were messing with the wrong country. So speaking of tremendous victory for the Japanese military,

I mentioned in part one, they wanted to take over several islands in the South Pacific. Right. And they had to destroy the U.S. fleet to do that because the U.S. was like, you better stay away from those islands. Pearl Harbor was not the only place attacked that day. I just want to mention. Oh. Pearl Harbor, Malaya, Hong Kong, Guam, the Philippines, Wake Island, Singapore, and Midway were all attacked that day by the Japanese Navy.

I am an ignorant American ho. I had no idea. It was a massive, coordinated, offensive campaign by the Japanese military. Holy shit. It was extremely effective. Yeah, I mean, this would be. have been a success on a level that I hadn't even thought about because I didn't even know about all this stuff. Yeah, it was. I mean, yeah, I mean, people obviously focus on Pearl Harbor. Well, it's all about us.

But like, yeah, Japan was in a ton of places. I had no idea. Wow. Large scale attack. And they planned all of it outside where anyone could see. That's right. In retrospect, they should have put up a tent or something, you know? Yeah, it's like all the Japanese characters, they see. They just speak, they either have these like wise sayings or they just speak factual.

Like out of 350 planes, we only lost 29. Our country is running out of oil. We have to do something. It's like they have no emotion. No emotion. None. Yeah. And Norm, you know that Japanese people have a lot of emotion because you were born in

Japan. That's right. The fattest baby ever to be born at that hospital. And people screamed. They had a lot of emotion. They were terrified of you. This giant baby will destroy us all. Folks, true story. I'm sure you don't hold the record still at that hospital. I hope not. There's no way. They better send me something. All right, Kristen. Is the attack over? Okay. So now cut back to the men who are trapped in the ship. This is the, the part that got to me a lot. Rescuers are trying to cut into the ship to free them, but they can't get them out in time. Water is filling the ship faster than their tools can

cut into the ship. Right. And I thought the whole time, Dear God, I hope this is exaggerated. Norm, tell me the news. I don't, you know, there's a scene where, like, there's hands coming up from the ship, like, help, help. I don't know if that's dramatized or not, but, like, overall, yeah, that was Yeah, I That was, that was what was going on. Honestly, and I don't even need the hands to feel the emotion because like, you would hear people in there. Yeah, they could hear them.

And that would be horrible. Like, I don't know how you recover from that as a, as someone who survives it. That would just haunt you forever. Here's the other issue they ran into was, you know, they would, they would sometimes remove a section of the hall. Yeah. But, you know, sciencey pressure stuff. Yeah. up a section water's going to, you know, suction in and it could put more men at risk

inside the hole. So it was just, it was, it was like a no-win situation. And, you know, the hulls of those ships, they're so thick. So that's the other thing is like, yeah, you, you want them to be thick because we all saw the movie Titanic. Right. But then here's this situation and they are completely trapped. Yeah.

It's horrifying. Many of the survivors of the USS Arizona, when they passed away in their wills, they said, scatter my ashes with my friends who died in the Arizona. And I think they allow you to do that at Pearl Harbor. That's really beautiful. Yeah. Obviously not anybody can do it. But like... That's very touching.

I mean, like I said, I just don't know how you go on after you've witnessed something. that terrible. Yeah. Okay, now we cut to Washington, D.C. FDR stands to address the nation. He's ready to go to war, rob, rob. That's right. A day which will live in infamy, one of the most famous speeches in American history. Yep. And that's why when that big wall calendar came up, I was like, I know what's happening. I know what this is. Then we cut to a scene where FDR is with all his big, important boys. And he's asking, is it true that there are still men trapped inside the USS, Arizona, and he is told, yes, but they are 40 feet below water. That's right.

So FDR is telling them, again, butt chin jiggling. I do think later in the movie, they got better with his makeup, but it's still not great. It still looks like... You know, you learn as you go along, Kristen. How did they get a million explosions to look fantastic, but they couldn't get his butt chin a fix to his face? And it really is too bad because John Voight did a great job acting. He did. He just, he looks ridiculous in the makeup.

It looks like silly putty. Yeah. I'm surprised there's not like half a newsprint, you know, a Ziggy comic on his chin. Anyhow. So he's talking to him and he's telling them he wants to attack the heart of Japan. You know, all the boys are disappointing him greatly by being like, hmm, sir, that'd be super hard to do. Also, we don't want to do that.

And that's when FDR has to spank all their bottoms. That's right. He says, does anyone in this room think that victory is possible without facing danger? We are at war. Of course there's risk. And wouldn't you know it? He gets more pushback from these fellas. So he has to come on a little stronger.

He says, gentlemen, most of you did not know me when I had use of my legs. I was strong and proud and arrogant. Now I wonder every hour of my life, why God put me in this chair. But when I see defeat in the eyes of my countrymen, in your eyes right now, I start to think that maybe he brought me down for times like these when we all need to be reminded who we truly are that we will not give up or give in. That should have done it, don't we agree? Great speech. No, he gets more pushback from these assholes. And so, here we go. It takes out a gun. That would be incredible. I would like that. I said bomb Japan. I would love that so much more than what actually happened in this movie,

which is he pushes back from the table, and he takes his legs one at a time out of the wheelchair. People are trying to help him. They're like, Mr. President, what are you? And he's like, hey, back off, let me do this thing. Get back, George. Get back. Yes.

And slowly, and with great effort, he stands, kind of wobbly. And he says, do not. Tell me it can't be done. Oh. You know that I am having difficulty believing everything that you're telling me. There's problems with this. So many problems. It's so obnoxious.

I hate it. Go ahead, Norm. Okay. After Pearl Harbor, FDR does meet with his cabinet or whatever, joint chiefs of staff. And he does say, I really think we should attack the mainland of Japan as soon as possible. Yeah. In real life, his joint chiefs of staff were like, yeah, okay, we're going to look into it.

In the movie, they make it seem like, it's impossible. There's nothing we can do. But no, they were like, yeah, we want to do this. At what point in those conversations did he stand out of his wheelchair like a party trick? That didn't happen. I hated that so much. It's a terrible scene. It's awful.

Yeah. It's so cheesy and stupid. and not accurate at all. No. Okay, so, but from there, we cut to B-roll of Americans kick and ass to avenge Pearl Harbor, okay? Yeah. Stick out booting your ass for the red, white, and blue.

And then we learned that Danny and Raff have top secret orders. They have to leave now. What? Rave is still mad at Evelyn. He's like, oh, did you come here looking for Danny? You're trying to get some D? Mm-hmm. And she's like, no, I have to tell you something.

and he's just, oh, he can't, poor Ben Affleck, he's been through so much. I've always been Affleck. No, it is not. And he's like, the thought of you kept me alive over there. I told God all I wanted was to see you one last time. Why are you doing this to me? And then she's like, I'm pregnant. Danny and I banged it out in the parachute hangar.

It was so romantic and weird. Rath is shocked. She tells him she has to give Danny her whole heart. But she says, quote, I'll never look at another sunset without thinking of you. I'll love you my whole life. She wants her cake and to eat it too. Wouldn't we all? Wouldn't we all like to tell Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett,

boys, there's enough of me to go around? Yeah, what if Evelyn was just like, I want both of you? Yeah, what if Evelyn was like, look, you two are weirdly codependent as it is? I think you two would love to live together for a while. Why don't we all just do this together? I think they call it a monaschatwa? A thru. Thruple is what they call it.

Yeah. Polyamorous? Because we're not talking about one night. Anyway, cut to the boys leaving for their top secret mission. I'm sorry, are you... Top secret mission. What are they doing, Kristen? It's top secret, Norman.

Alec Baldwin will explain everything in a minute. But for now, Evelyn tells Danny she loves him, and that she'll be waiting for him when he comes back. So didn't tell him that she's prego. Cut to Rave and Danny, meeting up with Alec Baldwin, aka Doolittle. Jimmy Doolittle. Jimmy Doolittle, aka Jack Donegie, is looking out windows, asking them if they know what top secret means. I mean, good grief.

And they say, yes, we know what top secret means. We know the handshake, we are in. But later, on the beach. Wait, you missed the best part of that scene, Chris. Oh my gosh, what is it? Where he's like, I heard what you did at Pearl Harbor. Oh, it was, you know what? Here's the thing.

We are now to the part of the movie that I fucking hated. And my notes get sloppy because I was like, are you serious? Go ahead. I know exactly what you're going to say. He was like, you were flying with hula shirts on in those planes. Yeah. And they're like, yes, sir, sorry, sir. He's like, but you shot down six enemy zeros.

I'm awarding you both The Silver Star Every line by him is like that It's like it goes one way But then it turns the other way That's so annoying By the way Jimmy Doolittle was put in charge

Of the mission to bomb Japan Whoa, well we don't even know What the mission is yet Norm is top secret Okay fine, all right Yeah, that's what the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Roosevelt want Yeah, he stood up Again, they did not poo-poo the idea.

They're like, yeah, we're going to do it. A Navy captain named Francis Lowe came up with the idea. Well, we'll talk about the actual mission in a minute. Okay, okay. I want to quote from Doolittle here, because Doolittle was put in charge of this mission. And he said, quote, an attack on the Japanese homeland would cause confusion in the minds of the Japanese people and so doubt about the reliability of their leaders. Americans badly needed a morale boost. And that was the whole point of this mission.

was to stick it to them. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So Jimmy Doolittle is recruiting Danny and Rafe for this mission. Yeah. Here's the problem. So it's a mission to bomb Japan.

Spoilers. But Danny and Rafe are fighter pilots. They're not bombardiers. Mm-hmm. They have no training to fly bombers. So they should not be recruited. Yeah. It's very different training.

They would not be recruited for this. Well, I mean, technically, this is totally volunteer norm, which is what I learned from Pearl Harbor, is that in the military, it's all really nice because you just volunteer for all the hard stuff. This was a volunteer mission. Oh, it really was volunteer. The Doolittle Raid was a volunteer. Okay. Everybody was a volunteer. Well, spank my ass and call me Sally.

But they were from the 17th bombardment group. They were not, let's grab some fighter pilots from Pearl Harbor and see if they can do this. Well, you know, okay. Beggers can't be choosers when you're asking for volunteers. You guys have never flown these planes. No big deal. Well, it's funny. I think they justify it because they throw in a line that's like,

we're going to fly these planes like fighter planes. Yeah. It's supposed to satisfy the historians. They're like, why the hell are they recruiting fighter pilots for this? Anyway. So they've agreed to the top secret mission. But later, on the beach, Rave tries to talk Danny out of going. He doesn't want Evelyn to lose him.

But Danny is a brave guy, okay? He's like, oh, you know, made of me. You know, we go back to the I'm a brave boy lines of like, don't stop me from doing this big brave thing. I am too brave. He can't turn down this job. He can't. It's too important.

So now it's March 3rd, 1942. Alec Baldwin, aka Jimmy Doolittle, has all his top secret boys in a line. And he's doing that whole thing that we've all heard before, look to your left. Now look to your right. One of you will be dead. That's right. And he's like, hey, if you really want to do this, step forward.

And then they all step forward. And there's a slow-mo walk out to the airfield. This is a really stupid scene. They would not fly them out to Florida for training before knowing if they were going to volunteer or not. Okay. Okay. We're a little out of order here, fellas.

We just trained you. We spent a lot of time with you. Do you still, do you want to? Do you want to do this? Incredible part of the true story. So they chose 80 men to go on the do little raid. All 80 men volunteered and said yes. None of them said no.

That's pretty incredible. Yeah. And again, I think it's obnoxious because this movie is so over the top. It feels so unrealistic. If they had made it realistic, that makes it so much more meaningful. I know. That they really all did volunteer. Yeah.

They throw it into that cheesy scene of like, step forward. And then they slow-mo walk out. It's so, I hate that scene so much. Oh, it's so Michael Bay. So they're doing all kinds of wild shit. They're making their planes lighter. They've flown like they've never flown before, which according to Norm is kind of true because they've never done this before.

Now it's April 2, 1942. We're on the USS Hornet. Hang on. Oh, yeah. I got stuff to say. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, they trained in Florida for this mission.

Let me explain the Doolittle Raid a little more. Okay. So the problem was, you know, they wanted to bomb Japan. Mm-hmm. But American bombers, they have to be a certain distance away from Japan to be able to do that. The United States couldn't launch bombers from anywhere nearby. And so they're like, well, can we launch a bomber from an aircraft? carrier. That had never been done before.

And the Army had this new bomber, kind of a light bomber called the B-25, and this submarine commander, Francis Lowe and the Navy. And I think they mentioned him in the movie, because FDR has that awesome lines like, I like submarine commanders. Yes. They don't have time for bullshit. And neither do I. Yeah, I actually love that line. Okay. But he came up with the idea because he was stationed in Norfolk and he saw they had a practice runway and they painted lines of, of like this is how long an aircraft carrier is. And they would practice taking off from there. And that submarine commander was like,

I think a B-25 can take off from there. And so that was the Doolittle way. They were going to take an aircraft carrier, get it as close to Japan as they could, launch these B-25 bombers, and bomb Tokyo and Kobe and some other targets. And land in China? Because that's what the movie says.

And they're going to land safely in China, is the idea. So they did wonder, okay, how do we finish the mission? Right. And they couldn't go back to the aircraft carrier. It was too far away. And so they said, we're going to land in China. So the United States had a relationship with China. They were kind of allies during World War II.

They also wanted to land in the Soviet Union. That's also close to Japan. The Soviet Union said no, because they had a neutrality pact with Japan, believe I'm not at that time. So, yeah, the plan was we're going to land our planes in China after we bomb Japan. Okay, so April 2nd,

1942, they're on the USS Hornet, they're all on board, and Doolittle says to them, I can tell you where we're going now. We're going to Tokyo, and we're going to bomb it! And they all cheer. Woo! Yeah! They're not anything like the Japanese who are like, hmm, perhaps we shouldn't.

we have awakened a sleeping giant actually that is true he didn't reveal what they were doing until they were on the aircraft carrier that was a nice little touch yeah okay cut to evelyn she's waiting outside major jackson's car who's major jackson

the guy who she was like ew I guess I'll touch his bloody neck yeah he was a guy whose neck was bleeding out and so she's like remember me I saved your life on Pearl Harbor Day now I need you to tell me if anyone in my love triangle is going to be in danger on this top secret mission. I need to be in the loop.

And he's like, how dare you? First of all, what are you even talking about? I'm going to pretend I don't know about the top secret mission. You shouldn't know. Top secret mission. And she's like, never mind that. In case you forgot, you're alive because of me, which is a real cool thing for a nurse to say. Right.

And anyhow, he's like, I can't make promises, but he does kind of try to keep her in the loop. Yeah. Cut two, Alec Baldwin, looking longingly. This scene is so stupid. We've got Jimmy Doolittle, and he's, you know, looking from a distance at Danny and Raff and the boys. Oh, God, this scene is something. And he's talking to someone named Jack, and Jack is behind him. And is he a normal human who looks at people when he's talking to them?

No, this is Jack Donagie. So he's looking out into the distance, and he says, You know, Jack, we may lose this battle, but we're going to win this war. You know how I know? Them. Because they're rare. And in times like these, you see them stepping forward. There's nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer, Jack.

Okay, then we get an even more obnoxious scene where he is talking to his crew of volunteers, telling them how, you know, some people say I shouldn't join you. there. They say I'm too valuable, but I love you boys and I'm going to join it, you know, something like that. Um, he told, hang on. That, that is true. I believe it. But not with that much gusto. No, I would even believe the gusto. I'm just saying I find it obnoxious personally. Okay. So then they ask him questions. Uh, questions like what happens if we have to bail out over Japan? And he says, basically, well, I can't really tell you what to do there. And Raph says, what would you do? What would you do, Colonel? Yeah. And here we go. Oh,

oh, you're excited for the line. I can tell. Doolittle says, I wasn't built to be a prisoner. So I would have my crew bailout. I'd find the sweetest military target I could find and drive my plane right smack into the middle of it and kill as many of those bastards as I possibly could. But that's just me. I'm about to bust. Dear. So insane. God. I don't know if Jimmy Doolittle would have done that. But he did volunteer to lead the raid because he felt like I'm training these men to do something they've never done.

It's extremely dangerous. I want to kind of be there with them. Well, and they volunteered. Yeah. So he's volunteering. Yeah, I think that's very admirable. That's wonderful. The lines they have given him are so pompous and douchy.

Yes. I really hate I wasn't built to be a prisoner. Yeah. That is so incredibly obnoxious. It's like when Trump calls prisoners of war, hasn't he called them losers and stuff? He said John McCain was only a war hero because he was captured and he does, he likes men who weren't captured, is what Trump said. Go to hell. That's awful.

That's awful. If you're fighting for your country and you get captured or like, it just something happens to you. Oh, I wasn't built for that. I wasn't built. Oh, good for you. Good for you. Aren't you so great? Yeah.

Okay, so now it's April 18th, 1942. The mission's going to take off soon. But uh-oh, uh-oh, troubles are brewing. These Japanese boats are coming in close, and they got to sink them before these Japanese boats give away our position. Because as you mentioned, they have to be as close as possible to Japan before they take off. That's right. But now they're realizing, uh-oh, spaghettios.

I'm sorry, this is rude. That's actually what they said, Chris. They said, uh-oh, SpaghettiOs. They were too far out, but now they've been spotted. It's kind of go time. And Jimmy Doolittle says, we are launching, baby. So they lighten the planes. They add more fuel.

They replace their tailguns with broomsticks, hoping that'll scare somebody, I guess. And they start flying. Norm, is this true? It is true. The broomstick thing is true. Amazing. So now I don't know if it happened like right before they launched. Sure, sure.

But they did, they had to lighten the planes as much as possible. Yeah. Even more. They were spotted by a Japanese patrol boat. just one, I believe. Yeah. And they fired on it, but the Japanese patrol boat did tell the mainland. Yeah, got to signal out.

Oh, shit. There's a U.S. aircraft carrier, 600 miles from Japan. They actually tried to take the Japanese patrol boat. All the sailors as prisoners, the captain of the boat killed himself. Oh. He refused to be taken prisoner. He wasn't built to be a prisoner, is what he said. I'm sure he did.

So yeah, Jimmy Doolittle made the call that they were going to launch early. So they initially they wanted to be like 400 miles from Japan before they launch. They were 650 miles away and he made the call to go ahead and launch. Yikes. So they felt they still had enough fuel to do it, but the margins were way slimmer now. Yeah, yeah. Did he feel like they might as well try it because at that point they were a sitting duck? Yeah, so they knew that Japan was going to be made aware they're coming.

So they're like, we got to do it now. We got to launch because Japan is going to send out aircraft reconnaissance and look for them. And so they're like, we got to go. We got to go. So they start flying. Then they start bombing. They hit their targets. But oh, oh, now the Japanese are firing back.

Danny's plane gets hit. It gets hit again. Rafe is yelling at him, getting the clouds, Danny, because you know he's always looking out for him. That's right. They don't have the homing stuff. That's the technical term. So they're flying blind and boy are they low on gas. They are screwed.

Yes, Norman. Okay. Let me deep dive into this a little bit. So in the movie, there's this beautiful shot of 16 B-25 bombers, you know, taking off toward Japan because they're going to bomb Japan. So the reality was it took about an hour for every plane to long. launch from the aircraft carrier. So they kind of made their way to Japan separately. Yeah.

They weren't like in formation all grouped together. Yeah. So like Danny and Rafe being able to talk to each other, that might not have been possible for some of these bombers in real life. Well, maybe through the power of friendship. That's true. That's true. Also in the movie, it shows them bombing the ever-loving shit out of Japan.

Yes, it does. Uh-huh. Didn't happen like that. Okay. The Doolittle Raid, they did bomb some targets, not like in the movie. In the movie, it looked like Armageddon down there. Yeah. They hit a few buildings.

I think they even hit a school, unfortunately. Oh, that was not talking about in the movie. But in real life, the Doolittle Raid wasn't super effective. Twelve people killed 100 wounded. Destroyed a few buildings, but Japan rebuilt them pretty quickly. Mm-hmm. It was really more of a morale boost and a way to scare Japan. Like, hey, we're bombing you right now.

Right. If you recall from part one, Kristen, when I talked about why Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, I talked about how Japan believed the United States would not want to go to war with them. Yeah. And then they go and do this. And so this really, really concerned the Japanese military leadership. Well, yeah, because they feared that they'd awoken a... sleeping giant.

Right. As Admiral Yamamoto famously said in the 2001 film Pearl Harbor. So they're flying blind. They've got no gas. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Oh, sorry. The homing beacons you were talking about. So the plan with China was they had contacts in China and they said,

here's what we're going to do. And we plan to be in China around this time and put up your homing beacons around that time so we know where to land. But remember, they launched early. So the Chinese are way off schedule. Yep, yep. And so that's why he said, we don't have the homing beans

because, yeah, the Chinese military has no idea when they're arriving now. Yeah. Okay, so Jimmy Doolittle is like, well, you know, you're all brave, thank you for that, basically like, we're going to die. But then they see a coastline. Can they make it to the coastline?

Oh, no, there are Japanese patrols everywhere. They're going down. It's hostile territory. Rafe's plane lands slash crashes. Boy, is it an explosion. And the Japanese start shooting at them. They shoot back, but it's for sure they're all going to be goners. And then what happens?

Oh, my God. A plane comes and shoots down all the Japanese fellas, and then it crashes. Guess who's plane that is? It's Danny's. Totally accurate with his firing from a plane that is actively crashing. Yeah, yeah. Brilliant. Also, when Rafe's plane crashes, everyone just jumps out and they start firing their guns.

There's no physical trauma to their bodies or anything. Here's the other thing. A lot of these Doolittle guys, they just bailed out of the planes and parachuted to safety. Sure, that makes a lot of sense. But in the movie, it's like they just kept crashing their planes. It's like that doesn't seem like the best way to get down to the ground. Well, you know what? The parachutes had jizz all over them.

some reason. My parachute's full of cum. Was someone begging in the parachute in there? This is Danny's come. It's disgusting. Hey, fun fact. One of... What are you going to say?

It's a weird transition. In real life, one of the Doolittle planes landed in the Soviet Union. If you had given me a hundred guesses after what you were going to say next, I would not have come up with that. Wow, isn't that exciting? Yeah. Okay. So, Danny's plane kind of does the same crash bang, boom landing.

But he's injured. Well, yes. Is he dead yet, though? He's not dead. Somehow, no. His legs hurt. Hold on, hold on. Oh, okay.

Because, you know, just when Danny's kind of, oh, the Japanese come again, they're attacking again. They start tying them up. For some reason, they don't tie Rafe's hands. they're more concerned about his legs. They put Danny in kind of a... It's like a prisoner or war. Mm-hmm. Like, uh...

It's giving Jesus. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know the technical term for it. But yeah, they... It's looking bad. We're all worried about it. But guess what happens? Rave finds a gun that someone left out haphazardly, I guess.

And he just starts shooting, starts blasting. That's right. Boom, boom, boom. And then there's a grenade. And is Danny dead yet? No, he's been shot a bunch of. now, but he's still living. He's clinging.

But he is dying. And so we're all upset. And he says, hey, Raph, can you do me a favor? Can you have someone else write my name on the tombstone? Oh, because Rave's dyslexic. Yeah, and we needed a laugh.

That's pretty funny. It's awful. And Danny is upset about the dyslexia dig and also about his friend who's about to die. And he says, you can't die. You're going to be a father. I wasn't supposed to tell you.

You're going to be a father. Danny smiles. He says, no, you are. And then he dies. Josh Hart, Danny, hardly knew ye. Then, whoo, Chinese come, help him out. Danny and the gang go back to the US of A.

That was quick. It sure was. I mean, Danny took forever to die. Wait, Danny, no, Rafe and the gang go, well, Danny's body goes back. Yeah, which not accurate. It took years for those men to get back to the United States. It did? Well, yeah, they were stuck in China and the Soviet Union.

They had to go through enemy territory, yeah. And definitely not Danny's body. Danny's body would have, would not have come back until after the war, probably. Yeah. They're not going to sneak a casket. Your enemy lines. Sure, that's fair. You're not going to weekend at Bernie's it.

Okay. You know? We call that a Mitch McConnell. Okay. So, hey. Yeah. Oh, wait, I have another inaccuracy to point out. Okay.

You know, Evelyn is with Major Jackson. Like, I want to listen in on the Doolittle Raid. Yes, yes, because she's like, remember how I saved your life. I only did that for this moment here. Total bullshit would not have happened. That was a very top secret mission. Yeah. No, it's so stupid.

They were on radio silence. They used short-range radio just to communicate between planes. Did not happen at all. The only thing that she could possibly have heard is when they talked openly about it outside at a loud volume. Right. She should have taken a trip to Japan and had a little picnic. Yeah, yeah. And she could have written down all the secrets of the Japanese military.

Okay. So they're flying back to the US of A, like 12 minutes after this is all gone down, which Norm has just told us is not the way it happened. They get off the plane. Evelyn is there watching and waiting as they come off the plane. She sees Rave, but she's waiting for Danny. She's hopeful. She's smiling. What's that in Rave's hand?

What is it behind his back? Oh, it's Danny's casket. Oh, yep. A ridiculous scene. A ridiculous scene. Can you imagine if this was the way that people found out their loved one died? They're all waiting excited to see who gets off the plane and who's in a casket. You're telling me they don't give people a heads up.

Evelyn was looking for like maybe a bouquet of flowers or maybe some chocolates and then Rafe reveals, oh, it's... I brought you... It's your baby daddy and he's dead. Baby Daddy. Baby Daddy Danny. I'm sorry. Baby Danny Diddy. Kristen, this is not a, it was a movie.

It's okay. No one's going to be offended. So then we get a voiceover, and I have a feeling you're going to love it. Oh, God. Yeah, because she says, World War II changed us all or whatever. Before the Doolittle Raid, America knew nothing but defeat. After it, nothing but victory. Japan realized for the first time that it could lose and began to pull back.

America realized that she would win and surged forward. Norman, why have you taken off your glasses? Why are you holding your hands? Because I remember that line and it's fucking stupid. I'm going to read my favorite part again. Before the Doolittle Raid, America knew nothing but defeat. After it, nothing but victory. Isn't that right, Norman?

We can't stop winning. No. It's like even the line of like The Japanese realized they could be defeated No The Japanese Knew if the United States actually went to war with them They were screwed dittily Ud

Okay Like Now here's the thing The Doolittle Raid Incredible mission Huge morale boost But as far as like This changed the war

Yeah No No Absolutely not So then we get another voiceover. We learned Doris Miller was the first black American to be awarded the Navy Cross, but he would not be the last. Again, Norm, you really went into a lot of detail about how many people had to fight for him

to get any sort of recognition. In the movie, it's just, hey, he got this, and he wouldn't be the last. So shut up about it. Yeah, let's not talk about it anymore, okay? Is this movie over? It absolutely should be, but it is not because then we have an epilogue. An epilogue for a three-hour fucking movie. How have you not covered everything?

We see that Rave and Evelyn are living a beautiful life on some farm somewhere. They have a son named Danny. Who oddly looks like a baby version of Josh Hartnett. Well, he should. It's his son. My God, oddly. Well, it almost looks like they did CGI and put Josh Hartnett's head on this

kid's body. They put all the makeup budget that should have been done for FDR's face and they put it on this child. And the movie ends. I shit you not with Rafe and Little Danny flying together. Yeah, in a

biplane. Oh my God. And then best part of all, credits roll and we get the Faith Hill theme song. God, that song. Oh, she belts. I had forgotten that song with when we watched it the other day, which by the way, we now own this movie.

That's going to fuck our algorithm up so bad. Yeah, I had forgotten about this song. Then the credits rolled, oh my gosh, what a song. Great song. Back when they made songs for movies, they don't do that anymore. I miss it. Do you remember when Faith Hill was singing at a concert with a, husband, Tim McGraw, and some lady started grabbing on him?

No. You don't know? Oh, my gosh. What happened? This was a long time ago, but it is etched into my memory. So Faith Hill's singing, and they must have been doing a duet. I don't know. And some lady in like the front row was grabbing on Tim McGraw.

And Faith Hill, she's still bopping to the beat and still kind of singing, but then she's also giving the woman a lecture about how you don't grab another woman's husband's balls. You don't grab him by the balls. Specifically the balls. You know, it's a lesson we all have to learn. You don't go grabbing on another woman's husband's balls. Don't go grabbing my boy's balls. Please stick to the balls that you are you used to.

there we go yeah perfect oh Kristen final thoughts on Pearl Harbor okay you said the last 45 minutes of this was just like a big thrill fest for you you enjoy it I hated it so much here's the thing

I do like that they ended the movie with the do little raid because I do think it is very connected to Pearl Harbor you know every man that volunteered for the do little raid they won the Distinguished Service Cross. Jimmy Doolittle got the Medal of Honor for that.

It's funny in real life, Jimmy Doolittle thought he would be demoted after the raid. Oh, really? Because they didn't really destroy many targets in Japan. And then every single bomber was destroyed. Like, didn't bring a single one back. And he's like, oh, my God, I just cost the military millions. And, like, we didn't really do anything. But, like, again, it was such a morale boost.

People were thrilled with it, you know. What? Well, I think there's also a way to be like, if we do demote you, then we have to acknowledge this as a failure. Sure. If we honor you, then we claim victory. Yeah, that's true. I've been in corporate America.

Good job, Kristen. Thank you. Final thoughts on Pearl Harbor. Oh, my God. We've been recording for an hour and 45 minutes. Dear God. It's funny, before we started recording, you were like, I sure hope we have enough. to talk about with the second part of this.

And I was like, we absolutely will. Well, I, you know, I assumed that you and I were united as one and that we both didn't want to talk at all about the last 45 minutes of this movie. Folks, let me tell you something. When we watched it first, you know, the first time through, and we got through with those Pearl Harbor scenes, I was like, hot damn, this movie has very stupid dialogue. It's over the top. But it's not bad.

because I just knew that it was about to end. I was so confident that it was about to end. And I knew it was three hours long, but it felt like I'd been watching it for three hours in my defense. And so I remember I had to pee kind of, but it was one of those things where like, okay, well, they're clearly wrapping this up, you know. You thought the movie would end with Pearl Harbor and then that's it?

I thought they were going to put a bow on it. Like Evelyn, you know, figures things out with the love triangle. You know, we know what happens with the... the war. No, you have to have a positive story at the end. Well, I thought they were going to, you know, smooch or something. And I was like, hey, Norma, how much time do we have left on the movie? Because I was kind of trying to figure out, like, 15 minutes, 10 minutes.

You told me 45. And that's when I knew I actually hated this movie. Yeah, sure. Those are my thoughts. Yeah, it's not a good movie, but it's nostalgic for me, I guess. Mm-hmm. So, yeah, I'm okay. with it. Did you decide who you would bang

Josh Hartnett or Ben Affleck in this movie? Oh, I'm always picking Josh Hartnett. Oh, I'm picking Ben. I figured you would. How did you figure I would? I feel like you like that face more. He's a little more rugged looking. And he's tall.

Well, and also, like, he got there first. Yeah. And he's a little jealous. And what else do I like? about him. Oh, he was a gentleman at the hotel. Man, you could be Kristen Affleck. No, because, no, I... Affleck.

Nothing to do with the real man, you know. Well, Kristen, when will we watch Pearl Harbor again? Never. I am never, ever watching this movie again. You can't make me... I won't do it. Well, it's on our YouTube account, if you ever want to watch it again. That's great. We did purchase it. We sure did. Well, here's the thing. You could rent it for $3.99.

Or you could buy it for $4.99. And I said, well, for a dollar, I'm just going to buy this. Well, because we did wonder, like, you know, I knew that I was going to watch it more than once because I wanted to be able to take notes on it and stuff. And now that's forever in our library. Hooray for us. Hooray for us, indeed. Well, this was an experiment for an old-timey podcast. We recapped a historical film and made fun of it.

Yeah. And told you the real story, or a more accurate version, I guess. Yeah, folks, tell us what you think of this, because this was fun for us to do. With the exception of watching Pearl Harbor twice, I really did not want to do that. But like, this was fun, and it was different. So, I don't know, maybe you don't like fun and different. Yeah. Maybe like the same old thing.

Maybe Josh Hartnick comes at you and you're like, I don't think so, buddy. I've got something with the guy who might be dead but is maybe not. Yeah. Well, for our Slop segment, Kristen, I thought since we watched a bad historical movie, maybe we could talk about some good historical movies. You're going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting here. I'm sure you've got. We'll name three.

Okay, okay, okay. Surely you can name three. I bet you I can think of some, and I think you're going to be horrified by my answers. All right, let's get into it. Okay. Well, folks, we just wrapped up a segment of the Slop where we each gave three recommendations. for historical films and TV shows, what are our picks?

You'll have to subscribe to the $10 pig butter tier to find out. It's fascinating stuff. Norm didn't recommend any war stuff. Don't worry. I like period pieces. You know it's a good historical film? We didn't mention this in our Zodiac. Zodiac's such a good movie.

That is a fantastic movie. And I'm counting it as a historical movie because, you know. We make up the rules. Damn, that's a good movie. I want to watch that movie now. I would love to watch that. That's probably my favorite David Fincher movie.

But we'll be so scared before we go to bed. It's a hook for a serial killer. Yeah. So well done. Folks, thank you for entertaining us with our critique of Pearl Harbor. Please let us know what you think. Yeah, really do, because this was a new thing for us and we had fun, but we don't want to give you stuff if you don't want it. Yeah, because if you're commenting, please know never again.

We probably won't do it again, you know? But anyway, thank you for listening. And with that, Kristen, you know what they say about history hoes? We always cite our sources. That's right. For this episode, we got our information from the fantastic film, Pearl Harbor, as well as some other sources. Check the show notes for a full list of them. That's all for this episode.

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