Analytic Dreamz: Notorious Mass Effect - "SPOTIFY VS NOTORIOUS MASS EFFECT" (PODCAST DELETED)

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

A number of Spotify playlist curators are complaining that the streaming music company is not addressing the ongoing issue of playlist abuse, which sees bad actors reporting playlists that have gained a following in order to give their own playlists better visibility. Currently, playlists created by Spotify users can be reported in the app for a variety of reasons — like sexual, violent, dangerous, deceptive or hateful content, among other things. When a report is submitted, the playlist in question will have its metadata immediately removed, including its title, description and custom image. There is no internal review process that verifies the report is legitimate before the metadata is removed.SOURCE: Spotify playlist curators complain about ongoing abuse that favors bad actors over innocent parties | TechCrunchPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

I'm going to just say this to you. Don't never put me in no position where, you know, I have to defend myself. You know what I mean? That wouldn't be healthy for you. And, you know, I have to say that. But it's a million dollars with the game. You know what I mean? It's a million dollars with the game, and I'm going to give it to him right on a million dollars with the game

because I ain't going to throw rocks and hide my hand. I'm going to just let it be known, you know, to him because I hear what's being said. And it's all love after that. Peace. As you heard, the great J. Prince said the infamous quote, which I'm paraphrasing, of course, because I don't want to say the full thing. But all you need to know is that it wouldn't be healthy for you. Because all I want to say is that this issue has been lingering for a lot of creators for quite some time. But for some reason, nobody wants to speak out about how.

Spotify is treating its playlist curators now unless you're a rap cabbier or unless you're new music or unless you're one of the main tabs on Spotify as far as when you go to the playlist section you're a local or just a independent playlist curator and for the independent playlist curators that create a buzz and create a of downloads to increase revenue. It gets to a point when Spotify notices it. Only Spotify, not Apple Music, not Amazon, not Google Podcasts, not Stitcher Radio.

Only Spotify, for some strange reason, finds it and clips it. Without any warning, they'll send you some email talking about a takedown notice because of content, violation, or all the rules that they love to throw at you for no reason. But for the most part,

there are people who break the rules as far as playlist curating. And it is also reviewers, because I've heard it myself from other people. This is not a topic that I just thought of and wanted to talk about. This has been lingering for quite some time now.

And I say lingering because my podcast, the notorious mass effect on Spotify, I used to go under Anchor. And if you've noticed by now, I was an anchor ambassador. But at this point, with my podcast, I am under Red Circle. So I'm ambassador of Red Circle podcast hosting. So for Anchor, there's a specific reason why Anchor treats the playlist curators like this.

Now, am I calling myself a playlist curator? No. But the problem is specifically targeted towards playlist curators. Because I've ran into this problem and I would consider myself just a content creator, not a playlist curator. Because in general, I'm talking about gaming. I'm talking about hip hop. And the titles I'm using is tracks that I'm reviewing, if that makes sense. But for some other people who actually break the rules and play music fully,

Like literally they'll have the full song on there like that's unreleased all the other stuff They of course are blatantly Breaking the rules and the fair use law, right? But for people who just review the tracks and then go on about the day Should not be targeted in the way that Spotify targets them because anchor knows what they're doing By having these quote-unquote Anonymous Reports to take down your whole

whole entire podcast, no questions ask. Now, I've had three separate times that I had to upload my podcast as far as the entirety. I had the first time back in 2020 when I first started. And then last year, middle of last year, I had to redo my podcast again because it was taken down by anchor. And in that point, it was like, okay, you know, I mean, I did have some back then, you know, I had some segments that I feel like maybe was like if I wasn't as well, I wasn't as knowledgeable about the situation that I am now because I wouldn't have took that stance back when it first got deleted. But the second time, I knew something was up because they took it down immediately after I reviewed,

it was like a Billy Eilish track, I believe. And it was no music, just me reviewing it. And I did that for a reason. So for when they took it down, now I have an actual ground to stand on. And now my third time uploading it is under Red Circle. So for all my Spotify listeners, I need you to know that if you want to listen to my podcast, I would highly suggest you follow my link tree and follow my Apple podcast or my Amazon podcast. Because if you haven't noticed, I've taken off all my other podcasts like from the old episodes except for Amazon music.

So if you want some of the old episodes I used to do from like 2020, 2020, 2021, 2022, they're all on Amazon for a reason. Because there's a reason why Spotify is the one targeting podcasts who have listings like mine. Now, of course, if you go through my podcast listing and my episodes, you would see track names.

But if you click on it, what do you hear? You hear me giving my review and then that's it. but the way the algorithm works for Spotify, as they noticed the track listing, and they automatically assume as a playlist and they completely take it down, no questions asked. And at first,

I was thinking that this whole situation was my fault because I'm like, well, maybe I shouldn't even have the title like that. Maybe I should just put like notorious mass effect in the beginning. And so I did some research because of course I wanted to be well versed in this situation. But when I came to this article, which my Twitch and YouTube viewers would be able to see.

For the people of that wisdom, you won't be able to see this. But basically it reads, Spotify playlist curators complain about ongoing abuse. Abuse is a perfect word to say right here. Ongoing abuse that favors bad actors over innocent parties. And that's my whole point about this segment. There's people who blatantly upload full unreleased songs, knowing what they're doing is breaking the law.

And then there's people like me who may have the title of a new track, but the complete entirety of it is me giving my personal review. And by the algorithmic reporting system is taken down no questions as, like the whole entire podcast.

Like I've had episodes of me covering games, old new upcoming games, literally my last episode, not last, but my episode 114, you can literally look this up right now and on Spotify, I believe. my top games no no no my favorite game of 2022 and my review of the game awards if you look up game

awards notorious mass effect it should pop up on whatever podcast platform you use so basically this is why I wanted to go through this article because it says and I'm not quoting but I'm basically going to re paraphrase through the article or skim through it so the gist of it is a lot of Spotify and this is specific to Spotify so this is why switch hosting platforms because at first I thought it was me I was like what am I doing wrong like I hear other people just blatantly playing music and they're not taken down and I'm just talking about music I'm getting taken down I don't understand so then a number of playlist Spotify playlist curators are complaining that the streaming music company is not addressing the ongoing issue of playlist abuse which sees bad actors

that's the key word bad actors which is anonymous by the way because we're going to get into my back and forth email replies to Spotify and it wasn't even like nothing like why y'all do this and why I do that it was like a very respectful way of approaching the uh the takedown notice it was basically asking um why it was taken down so I can avoid doing that in the future and the answer they gave me was basically like a generic, it was a generic response because it came like seconds after I'll upload that. So it was like, okay, I can't even get. And then if you respond to that email, they say, oh, you have to email a Spotify podcast creator section. But then you email them and you never get a reply. You never get a reply from the Spotify podcast content creators help

site or whatever they try to throw on you. But yeah. So basically, Spotify just goes you in a loop and doesn't give you any answers to what you did. So currently, playlist created by Spotify users specifically can be reported in the app for a variety of reasons, like sexual, violent, dangerous, deceptive, or hateful content, amongst other things. And then the playlist in question will have its metadata immediately remove. Now, I don't know too much about the justice system, which I'm lying. I cover hip hop a hip hop all the time, so I know a lot about it. But you never see immediately, or immediate just prosecution.

Like, I always take some time. I mean, just look at what happened with the Megastalian situation and what happened with the murder of XXX, Tentacione. Of course, I'm using hip-hop examples, but that's where, that's what I cover. So that's the biggest examples that come about the justice system taking a long time to prosecute people who are obviously guilty. So basically, Spotify immediately removes it, right? And then, including this, the description and custom image is also taken down.

And there's no legitimate verification process. There's no, hold on, let me just quote this verbatim. There is no eternal review process that verifies the report is legitimate. before the metadata is removed. And that is my biggest problem with podcasting under Anchor. So now I'm going to come back to that article, but now I'm going to jump to my, let me see if I can find this,

where I reached out to the podcast support. Literally they told me to reach out to podcast support, and this is why I said. Basically, I said, I am reaching out to get help with the copyright situation when concerning the notorious Mass Effect podcast because I need help. knowing why this podcast keeps getting taken down and how I can prevent it from happening.

So that's not like aggressive. That's not like, why did y'all take it down? Forget your, y'all better fixes. You know, it wasn't none of that. It was just asking so I don't cross that line again, you know? And guess what? Guess what happened? There was no reply.

Instead, another email replied to me, and I feel like this is a bot because this doesn't make any sense. it says hello there thanks for reaching out to us we understand that your podcast keeps getting removed let us check this out and then in the same email

it's not like it's not like let us check this out and then they sent another email like oh we check this this is how I know it was about it said let us check this out in the same email it's come to our attention that your podcast is potentially violating our terms and conditions do you realize how crazy that sounds

like if I was just blatantly putting like not images or praising Adolf Hitler, I will understand. But if I'm just reviewing music and talking about gaming, I feel like the bots that are going over my pockets are completely skipping that. But if I'm reviewing music and gaming, potentially violating our terms and conditions, therefore, unfortunately, it has been taken down. So because it thinks that I potentially violated the terms of.

terms and conditions, it's just immediately taken down. All your hard work, all the, you know, for me, like I have other platforms that I do well on, so it's not as, like, for other creators, I feel like this should be more of an issue, and I don't know why I'm the only one speaking out about it. But for me, I have other social medias where revenue comes in from, but my podcast is a pretty, what's the word, a pretty big platform. I would say, like, for myself, like independently. So they just took all that down.

Now, of course, you know, I have my podcast now under Red Circle and we're doing fine. You know, shout out for the, we just did 20,000 downloads this week. But anyways, you know, I'm not, you know, trying to throw numbers out there. But basically, what I'm trying to say is Spotify abuses its system to taking down podcasts completely. And the reason I'm saying Spotify specifically does this is because I've had run-ins with TikTok and YouTube with copyright. But guess what happens? I just take the video down. If you upload something to YouTube, they immediately tell you if it's blocked or if it's partially blocked or if something's copyrighted.

And guess what I do? I take it down. I don't leave it up and be like, man, forget, I'm putting this up anyway because I'm a law-abiding citizen. I stay down on my podcast all the time. Like, I'm not out here trying to break the rules to make money. If I would have did that, I would have started selling drugs on the street. Like, there's other ways to make money illegally way faster than podcasting. You know what I mean?

But anyways, um. back to my point. But the most part, I don't understand this whole process from Spotify. So they completely take it down, no questions asked,

because of potentially violating our terms and conditions. So that's just crazy to me. So going back, let's switch back to the article, right? We're going to get back to that back and forth

because I definitely, that was the first article, so we're definitely coming back to that because they ended the article with, can you confirm if you received an email, which I did.

And then they say, if you receive one, we recommend reply, to their email for more information regarding the takedown. And I just told y'all, that's the first email I sent out the, I sent, that's the first email that I basically email. I don't know why I'm a loss for words, but that's the first email that I emailed. Hopefully it made sense.

But, and I didn't get a reply. That's what I started with. So anyways, back to the article. Okay. So, and then this is when I got to find it. This is what I figured out by doing some a little bit of research because this article is definitely buried. I wonder who's doing that.

But, you know, that's besides point. So going from, oh, and this is Heck crunch, by the way. So this isn't some just random article I'm pulling up. But I do have some user experiences that I'm going to pull up in a second off of Reddit, but this is like an actual company putting up this article. The problem is not new,

talking about the Spotify playlist curators thing. users have been complaining about playlist abuse for years for years mind you and i haven't seen an episode or anything just specifically breaking down the straight up just violation of podcasters on on the spotify platform i mean of course joe bud and talked about it but that's a whole different situation like how you're going you know i mean it's a whole different situation But this like specifically for playlist curators, they're just violating our rights. I don't want to be like that person, be like, man, my rights are not being respected. But like, come on, man.

Like, you can't just take down a whole entire podcast because of potentially violating copyright. But anyways, let's get back to the article. Users have been complaining about playlist abuse for years. A thread on Spotify's community forum about this problem, this specific problem, mind you. It's now 30 pages deep. So this is why I'm like, why has nobody made an episode about this on YouTube, whatever, took to the other social media platforms? Because for me, when I upload this, this is going everywhere.

So Spotify, want to take it down off of their platform, which, you know, they probably will. But it's still going to be up on Apple, Amazon, all through my link tree, you know, shameless plug. Link tree and bio. Best way to keep up with me if Spotify takes me down, which they probably will after this. So this problem is now 30 pages deep. In fact, it has accumulated over 330 votes. So it's not just me. I was just like, bro, what am I doing wrong?

Like on Black History Month, too, they took down my second time uploading my whole podcast on Black on not even Black History Month. I think it was Martin Luther King Day. So I think that is Martin Luther King Day before, I think it is before February. So Martin Luther King Day, they took down my podcast. It was like they was just plotting on me. You know what I mean? But anyways, we're going to get back to it.

Victims of this type of harassment, which that's definitely what I would call it, have also repeatedly posted to social media about Spotify's broken system to raise awareness of the problem more publicly. Now, I haven't really seen that, but they have an example here, that I must shout out. For example, one curator last year noted the playlist had been, hopefully y'all can hear me. I'm trying to read from the screen and talk to the people over at Wisdom. So hopefully I can still hear me. I know the people over at Twitch and YouTube can. So yeah, I think we could.

Okay. Victims of this type of harassment have also repeatedly posted to social media about Spotify's broken system to raise awareness of the problem more publicly. For example, one curated last year, when was this article posted? In 2021? So this was 2020. back when I started my first podcast. It's crazy. Lost my place.

One curator, one curator last year noted their playlist had been reported over 2,000 times. Now, that's excessive. That's a lot. And they said, and said they were getting a new email about the reports nearly every minute. That's a common problem and one that seems to indicate bad actors while leveraging bots to submit their reports.

Now, I have heard of other playlist curators, specifically targeting independent playlist curators to get their playlist shut down so theirs received more shine. Now, do I think that specifically happened to me? No, because when I reached out to Spotify support, they was on that same type of timing that whoever was, I honestly think it's the algorithm that goes through and just looks that if you have tracked listings,

then you're just playing music, like just off to bat. So anyways, yeah, that's one thing that I saw that theory being thrown around. But I think that's less likely than this one. But anyways, we do have an actual person who uploads. I guess this person did tweet on November 30th, 2020. He said, hi, I don't know who this is. Who is this? Hopefully none crazy pops up, you know.

I'm not trying to get banned. author music jokes i don't know he does anyways we're going to go back to this but um he has somebody he said hi at somebody for my twitch and youtube people you can see it for the people over at wisdom you won't be able to see it unless you come over to twitch or uh youtube at analytic dreams you know shameless plug looking for help so many curators and artists are suffering because of constant groundless playlist reports on Spotify. Some are being hit systematically and repeatedly, which is where I feel like I fit in. And then Spotify cares and distributors are aware of what's going on, but nothing is being done. It is 2023, and this tweet was posted November 30th, 2020. Spotify does not care about any

local, independent playlist curator, because this problem keeps happening, and I think they know what's happening but turn a blind eye because the ones that are sponsored by Spotify, the playlist that are sponsored by Spotify that are actually playing music, they want all the shine to go to them, which I definitely understand. But if I'm putting track listing on my podcast, basically listing off tracks, but I'm reviewing them, not playing any music, it should not be targeted, simply because it has the same title as that actual song. It should be if you're actually playing music or playing the entire track. So anyways, let's get back into it.

So many curators have said they've repeatedly reached out to Spotify for help with this issue and were given no assistance. Now, that's when I want to transition back to my back and forth with podcast support with Spotify support. So basically

they said the whole thing, I'm not going to regurgitate that whole thing, but basically my response was that was my other podcast. I'm talking about my current music. This is me emailing them. I wanted some clarification so it doesn't happen again.

That was my other podcast. I'm talking about my current podcast and I'm wondering what I can do to stop having it taken down. You know, pretty simple question. It's not like, why I'm trying to break the law? Why don't you let me?

It's like, how can I avoid this from happening again? And guess what they say. Thanks for getting back to us. We're afraid our resources are limited with this kind of query. Thanks for getting back to us. we're afraid our resources are limited with this kind of query.

So if my podcast gets taken down again, after me reaching out, trying to understand, because I'm not playing any music, I'm just talking about tracks, right? So I'm like, if a guy talking about music and gaming is getting taken down, now what are they doing to the people who actually, like, out here breaking the law? Like, hopefully they're catching them too.

It's kind of like when you get pulled over by the cop, but you're not doing anything. You're like, why are you not pulling over that man going 40 over the speed limit? You know what I mean? But anyways, um, Basically, what I'm saying is the support was not there. Basically, they said, feel free to get back to us if there's anything that we can help with. Don't you just despise that type of customer support?

Like, bro, what type of customer support tells you that our resources are limited with this type of, with this kind of query? I'm not even making this up. This is strictly, I wish I could put this up. I don't know if I, would I docks anybody if I, because I don't want you all think I'm making this up. Let me see if I can put this up. Yeah, here, let me just put this up because y'all don't think I'm making this up. So people over at Twitch and YouTube,

y'all be able to see this. Look at this. Look at this right here. Thanks for getting, you can, I just put it on the screen for you to see. So, you know, I'm not, look, I'm scrolling up down, so y'all don't think, like,

it's not no picture, not no, I'm not photoshopping anything. I would go to my inbox, but, you know, I got personal stuff in there. I don't think I have personal stuff on here right now. No, I don't. Okay, cool. That was my other podcast.

Yeah, basically I talked about my other podcast, stuff like that. Thanks for the reply, stuff like that. They said, thanks for getting back. We're limited. We're afraid our resources are limited with this kind of query. The best recommendation we can provide you is to reply to our content team's email, since they're the ones who handles this kind of issue. Now, that's the first place I went.

And they, how come that's the first place I'm. went but they emailed me and now I'm asking them a specific question and they're trying to send me back to the email that didn't respond in the first place so now that you see it on the screen you can see why I'm kind of frustrated you know it's like it's like the their um I want to use the phrase because it's explicit and this is definitely a PG podcast but basically it's like you're um y'all know the first part all I'm going to say is the second part you just tell you're telling me is raining you know what I mean it's like something's happening and you're just telling me it's training. Hopefully I get that reference. If you don't, you may be too young. But anyways, so at this

point, I'm, I'm like upset. I'm like, how am I going to do this again? Like, I don't even know if they're going to follow me. Granted, they did for my second time. And, uh, of course, they took that down. You know what I mean? I asked and then they still took it down. And this is my third time putting it up with, um, with a red circle. And they've been nothing but the best. You know, they've been helping me out a lot with my content creation. And, um, I reached out to them. And then that, that's when they told me that this was an ongoing problem for Anchor, which is why some of them transfer over and they switch hosting. And I never knew that.

Only time I haven't heard about anybody switching from Anchor is to monetize more cross-promotion or something like that, which Red Circle does, but I'm not really into cross-promoting. You know, I just, I mean, maybe I will in the future, but right now it's just like trying to work on making my content better, basically, and what I'm saying. So anyways I didn't get no assistance I just put it on the screen I asked them

They basically told me Hey we don't know man And all limited Our resources are limited With this type of question Basically they told me Hey That that specific question you're asking

We can't help you But if you want to go to our content Our contact team That you probably already email And they didn't respond to it And hey So be it You know what I mean

They just don't care So that's why I'm glad This article is made by TechCrunch and other curators, as you can see, many curators say they've repeatedly reached out to Spotify for help with this issue and were given no assistance. So it's the same thing that I'm currently going through. We're not currently because I'm up under Red Circle. Spotify is probably going to take my podcast down because, you know, they're going to be hating again. But, you know, at the end of the day, the way that I can get my downloads consistently back up, every time I post, it makes me understand that there's an actual.

base and my YouTube following and my TikTok following makes me feel like there's an actual base that translates over to different social medias. So I'm not too concerned about that. If podcast is like imagine I upload my podcast again the second time, right? Because I'm on my third time. But this is under red circle. So it's my first time under red circle. So I'm not really too worried. But my second time uploading again under anchor. Imagine if that got like zero downloads, uh, nobody was listening when it used to be 8,000 downloads a week. You know what I mean? That would be very discouraging to an up-and-coming podcaster,

not knowing how to navigate this space. So specifically for me, with me and my numbers, being back to where it was on Red Circle, I mean, like I just said, I had 20,000 downloads this week. I'm used to getting 8,000 a week. So it's like if that type of support wasn't there, that I could see podcasts and content creators, creators stopping before they ever got going.

You know what I mean? Just stopping and quitting before they ever got to the point where they needed to be. Because I don't feel like I'm at the point I need to be to address this type of issue, but I'm doing it because I feel like other creators are out there with the same issue by not speaking up because they feel like nobody cares. So that's why I'm putting this out there. And when I eventually post this after the fact to my Spotify, well, I mean, Spotify, of course, but my other podcast platforms

we're going to see what their reaction is to this. But anyways, y'all can probably see why some content creators are very upset by how Spotify specifically as attacking these playlist curators because as you see through this article, no other

platform has treated the content creators like this. All right. What else? One curator who maintains hundreds of playlists said the problem had gotten so bad that they created an iOS app to continually monitor the playlist for this sort of abuse and to reinstate any metadata once a takedown was detected. That's pretty smart. I haven't got to that point because, you know, what I do is like update

and news type stuff. So I wouldn't like imagine me uploading like what I upload back in the day. Like imagine me uploading a little baby. What was that song called? The George Floyd song that Little Baby put out, it was, I don't know why I can't remember. I'm just going to type in Little Baby George Floyd song. I bet you it's going to pop up. This track was so phenomenal. Like, probably one of the best tracks that's been put out in the past five years. Like, I'm not even exaggerating.

Like, the track the Little Baby put out way back in the day about the whole George Floyd situation. Ah, the bigger picture. Yeah. When I started my podcast and reviewed that, imagine me re-releasing that now. They'd be like, bro, you're like three years late. You know what I mean? Like, for me, it's more up-to-date content. So I'm never really worried about that.

But for people who actually upload music, which I feel like that's actually illegal, but that's a whole other tangent for them to do. For me, I'm talking about the legal space. But yeah, just imagine me uploading like old reviews. Like, it's not going to work. So what else? Not all curators have the, the ability to build an app or script of their own to deal with the situation. And boy,

are they telling the truth. What else? Okay, TechCrunch asks Spotify what it planned to do about this problem, but the company declined to provide specific details, saying, quote, as a matter of practice, we will continue to disable accounts that we suspect are abusing or reporting tool, which is a cop out, because then right after that, they say we are active, we are also actively working to enhance our processes to handle any suspected abusive reports. It is 2023 and this problem is still going on. Now, I don't know if I have to keep going with this whole issue because I feel like I got my point across.

I feel like there's nothing else that I can point to. Let me see. I mean, there's a lot more I can point to, but this is went on for longer than I even thought it was going to go. But, you know, I apply this is something that a lot of people need to know because a lot of content creators are going to be out there wondering why the podcast is going to take it down when they're just covering tracks or they're covering games and it's just going to, well, not games, but they're covering music tracks without playing any music. And it's going to be like taken down simply off of the algorithm, the systematic review looking at the title. They're not going to listen to the podcast at all. It's just going to flag it down and take down a whole podcast with no notice, no anything.

And then the ending of the article says, Often playlists are curated by independent artists and labels who are looking to promote themselves and get the music discovered, only to have the work taken down immediately without any sort of review process that could sort legitimate reports from bot-driven abuse. Bot-driven is the key word, I think, in that. curators complain that Spotify has been dismissing the cries for help for far too long. Boy have that. I can attest to that. And Spotify's vague and non-committal response about a coming solution only validates those complaints further.

Well, now I can get off my soapbox or whoever they call it. What is it a soapbox? I don't know. I think that's what they call it. but basically um i had some other things you know i have some actual reviews not reviews but people who um went through this problem like one person said so so uh this is um this a random person on redid i'm not going to say like random like it's a bite but it's just some random person okay i want to look into this issue even deeper right so i looked at some actual uh people on this site and let me see

if i can make this bring this over here for my youtube and twitch people All right. So Anchor just deleted my podcast because it's music and gave no warning or anything about it. Man, do I feel you? Now I'm looking to migrate and I heard that Red Circle, sound, FM, and speaker are good. Do they also have this insane policy of delete first, ask questions later? In fact, do any hosting sites have this policy? That's a great question. And guess what I found throughout the replies. of people was going through the same thing and even one person said um i think it's towards the bottom okay yeah right here somebody said if you use the anchor app to make your podcast then you can add copyrighted music to your podcast if it is linked to play from spotify and he also said if spotify have a contract

with sony cbs or whoever they whoever then they can't turn a blind eye to copyright infringement irrespective how big or small a podcast is they allow you to include music but on their terms i think that's pretty much a good deal and so it's not all like one-sided i don't want to make it sound like that but uh and another person another person said harsh but not unexpected did you use the music playlist feature in anchor where you add the music from spotify premium users or was the music embedded in the MP3 episode so I think that's another uh poignant point and then what else there's another thing so it's not all just one-sided but delete first without warning is rare though within the rights of the host if they feel the content is not suitable for the platform and he just left a period

so we just not that's not correct grammar so we just gonna move on um it's the it's in the terms on Anchor that they will delete a podcast account without warning if copyrighted content is used they are owned by Spotify so it's not surprising so basically they're saying the delete without warning is in the what he says is in the terms of service is that we said yeah it's in the terms so obviously it's something that anchor can do which is why at the top he basically said i heard that Red Circle and Sound FM and speaker are good because he was like he was going to move hosting services is what that's definitely what I would suggest because that's what I did. But there was another person, let me see, there's another person that went through this. He said two weeks ago,

my anchor account and podcasts were deleted without warning or reason. All my links were expunged except on Apple Podcasts for some strange reason. And that's another thing. If Anchor can take down your podcast. Now, how come Apple Podcasts keeps it up? Amazon keeps it up? Because if you think about it, all my episodes are on Amazon, like all of them are. Like Amazon is just like, hey, I mean, I ain't talked to Amazon. But basically, you know, from what I'm seeing, it's like, they're okay with it. Apple's okay with a stitcher. And I'm not talking like, oh, I'm breaking the law in these places so Spotify should let me. Basically, under the way that I review music and just list the track names, it should not be taken down because all these other.

platforms have it up and only Spotify targets listings like this and playlist curators you uh wonder why spotify's coming up in this and not other like you don't you will you will be hard pressed to find red circle just deleted my podcast or what's another one i don't know any other podcasts i'm not even trying to be funny i don't know any other podcast and hosts but um yeah basically you won't find anything else except for anchor and spotify because basically spotify owns anchor if you didn't know that so um yeah this is not surprising man um let me keep going with his uh his uh reddit comment i have submitted an official request four times no response i feel you i try speaking with someone on their contact us chat bubble and the bubble deactivated and went offline i also had that happen before now that's infuriating

i'm not going into a chat bubble asking a question and them deactivating it it's like and then doing it again and then getting the vague uh response like i showed you in the email and then them de-activating it. It's like, bro, one of the higher-ups is at Spotify telling everybody that if they even have titles of music, just take their podcast down, which then you'll probably be like, why you even have the title of the music? Anyways, because if you're reviewing the track, you'll want people to search up the right review.

Like, if I just put up analytic review for every single episode or every single song I've reviewed, it would be kind of hard to find that, wouldn't you say? But anyways, um, it. Yeah, what else? And then he finished saying, I'm incredibly frustrated and depressed. Now, I was never depressed because, you know, as long as I have my family with me,

I'm never going to be depressed. But I understand, you know, people have their different ways of reacting to things. So I was definitely frustrated personally, and I understand him being depressed. Has anyone else experienced such issues with anchor? And then if you keep going down, somebody says, anchor users keep copying my podcast,

Okay, well, I've had that happen before. You can easily take that down. What else? You mentioned music. Some anchor does not own your material. Somebody said, they tend to do the RSS feed, which is very much the podcast, so they take down, take down the whole thing. Try tweeting an anchor. Somebody said, oh, this is a good one.

Somebody said, try tweeting an anchor, right? try tweeting at the anchor Twitter account. And then somebody said, I did. They DM me. We shared info. And then they essentially ghosted me. No response for the rest of the day. It's almost like, bro, you hit a quota or a bonus if you get these questions and don't reply.

It's like, oh, you didn't a snitch. Good job. You didn't tell them that we're trying to take down all popular curators, you know what I mean? Anyways, because that's basically what? you're doing when somebody comes and listen to your review for a track you basically curating their taste because i hate to say this but i mean i hate hate is a strong word i strongly dislike to say this but um you know people most people are like sheep in the world you know i mean they follow what they listen and they follow what they watch and um if you get a big enough following they'll just

automatically assume your opinion your opinion is is uh is what goes you know and uh obviously for me i never think like that like when i upload something i always say you know that's just my personal opinion You know, music is subjective. I say that a lot when I'm covering music. Music is subjective, so what I'm saying is not like law. But anyways, some people run with it like it is. What else? Okay, he said he tweeted out them.

They ghosted him. He said, but the response so far has really ruined my faith in the response team. It's completely frustrating to just be left out no explanation. man, if there was a, if there was a exchange that, that hit home for me, is this right here, man? Is this exchange right here? Well, highlighting all that doesn't help. But basically look at, look at the start of this all the way down. It's, I would definitely say it's very disheartening for an up-and-coming content creator

to get taken down by Spotify, simply for the first. fact that their review process is inadequate and they always delete first and ask questions later. I think that's the worst thing you could do for up-and-coming podcast creator. Myself, I feel like I'm good in general. You know what I mean? Like the different social media is that going, especially my YouTube. Don't forget to follow my YouTube, shameless plug, analytic dreams. But that's doing well right now as far as the clips and stuff. But yeah, that would just be discouraging, man, to not be making the impact on any other social medias. and the one way you're making the impact on podcasting to be taken down, no questions asked,

I could see how they'll put somebody in a dark, depressing state of mind. You know what I mean? For me personally, the way I took it was, you know, you get knocked down, but, you know, you get back up. You know, you get knocked down 10 times, you get up 11. You know what I mean? That's how I approached life in general. So this wasn't really that big for me.

And that's the first time it got taken down. That's around the time where I start my YouTube channel. because if you look at when my YouTubers started analytic dreams, you know, another shameless plug. It didn't start too long ago. I started there like five, six months ago, and then look at it now. It's like past like what? We had like three, four million views. Probably even more than that.

Like it's a reason why like some people are called like streamers and some people call YouTubers and then there's like your content creator. And I feel like, I mean, not to brag. I'm not bragging at all. I'm just trying to make it in a way that you understand that some people have that one lane and if that gets taken down, but that could lead to like severe depression from that person. So yeah, I'm just trying to speak up for the people who's going through this.

So anyways, that's basically it, man. I'm not going to go for an hour talking about this. I'm glad I talked about it as long as I did. I ain't know. Like I said, when I first got on here for the people listening to live, I said I was going to make it quick and this is not quick. But we're definitely going to get to new music. I'm probably going to take a little break and then come back to that.

But for the people listening, after the fact on the podcast platforms, click my link to you and my bio. And let me know on one of my social medias, as you can see in the bottom middle for Twitch and YouTube, but for my people listening on my podcast platforms, you won't be able to see it. And for the people over at wisdom,

make sure to click my socials to follow my latest posts. And let me know. What do you think about Spotify, abusing its power against playlist curators? and who do you think is in the wrong Spotify or the independent playlist curators