Ancient Aliens - The Mystery of Mount Shasta

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

Mount Shasta in northern California is known as a hotbed of strange events; from Big Foot sightings, to UFO encounters, to hikers vanishing without a trace. Could the mountain’s unique geology and placement on Earth be attracting beings from other worlds… and even other dimensions?See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Delivery fees may apply. It is a mountain that inspires both awe and fear. There's things around in this mountain here that people are really unaware of, but I believe it because I've seen it. For centuries, extraordinary sightings have been reported on its slopes and in the sky above. There are multiple strange events taking place, UFO sightings, paranormal events, strange disappearances that go back through. throughout history.

I've seen people in this very cave walk right into a wall and vanish. It's incredible. But are these just stories or something more? What makes Mount Shasta fascinating to me are the questions. Ancient astronaut theorist Georgios Seagalos, author David Childress, an investigative mythologist William Henry, have come together to examine incredible evidence

that suggest Mount Shasta, may have a connection to otherworldly beings. Perhaps it will be at Mount Shasta, where the extraterrestrials finally reveal themselves. There is a doorway in the universe. Beyond it is the promise of truth. It demands we question everything we have ever been taught. The evidence is all around us.

The future is right before our eyes. We are not alone. We have never been alone. Here is ancient astronaut theorist, Georgiosuclos, joined by investigative mythologist William Henry, and author David Childress. I'm really delighted to be here with you guys because I'm curious to learn what the truth is behind Mount Chastah.

I used to live up in San Francisco, and I drove that road countless times. And what struck me is the fact that fact, that Mount Shasta sticks out like a sore thumb. Sure does. It really does stand out. I do have to admit, driving up from Sacramento and catching my first glimpse of it off in the distance

with the sun setting on it, my heart skips a beat. I mean, it is majestic, it's gorgeous, and you can tell that there's really an allure to it. What makes Mount Shasta fascinating to me are the legends and the mythologies of that place. Probably more weird books have been written about Mount Shasta. than any other mountain. What do you want?

Giants? Do you want star people? Do you want lost civilizations? It all converges at Shasta. And everyone who lives in that area is familiar with these stories. Rising to an elevation of 14,179 feet, Mount Shasta in Northern California lies at an intriguing crossroads of folklore, geology, and the paranormal. This majestic peak, which is also a dormant

volcano features breathtaking waterfalls, pristine lakes, and spectacular alpine vistas, then attract more than 26,000 visitors each year. But the Native Americans who are indigenous to this area warned that Mount Shasta is as dangerous as it is beautiful and for very unnatural reasons. For centuries, the mountain has been known as a place where people report strange events in the sky, encounter terrifying creatures, and sometimes have even vanished without a trace. Nick Pope is a former member of the UK Ministry of Defense. Mount Shasta is a location where there are multiple strange events taking place. UFO sightings, paranormal events, strange disappearances that go back throughout history,

and indeed one can look to certain Native American legends, for example, to say that Mount Shasta has always been associated with strange goings-on. This is Corruct tribal elder, Jack Walking Eagle Tom. There's things around in this mountain here that people are really unaware of. Some people don't even want to believe it. But I believe it because I've seen it. I've witnessed it.

Local Native American tribes, such as the Shasta, Wintu, Modoc and Kurok have inhabited the area dating back as much as 12 centuries. Each revere Mount Shasta as a place that possesses mystical powers. I was told by my grandmother and grandfather that, you know, that we didn't go up on the tree line. That that belongs to grandfather up there. So I try to stay as far as away as I can. There was a Native American author there, Lucy Thompson, 1916. She writes a book all about the Native American legends of the star people,

all that activity at Mount Shasta. And this isn't some, like, kooky book or something. She's writing the history of her people, the Yerok tribe. All these legends are incredible. And this has been going on at Mount Shasta for hundreds of years. So can we attribute all these legends to mere coincidence? That's the big question. I don't think so.

Another layer to this mystery is that Shasta is very close to Petroglyph Point, where we find some of what are considered to be some of the oldest petroglyphs in North America. 60 miles northeast of Mount Shasta at Lava Bed's National Monument, a curious record of Native American traditions can be found. Hundreds of stone carvings known as petroglyphs that were created as much as 6,000 years ago by ancestors of the Modoc tribe. The lava bed's petroglyphs include ancient calendars, depictions of animals, humans and celestial beings, also referred to as sky people.

Tocke Thompson, Ph.D., is a professor of anthropology at USC. In various Native American traditions, we have different spiritual beings located on these sort of different planes of existence. And there's a wonderful range of stories in many, many Native American groups that talk about some of the adventures and interactions with the sky people with the humans on Earth. One of the petroglyphs depicts a large-winged creature emerging from inside Mount Shasta. It is believed to represent a sky being who the Modoc people worship as their creator, known as Skel. Jonathan Young, Ph.D., is the founding curator for the Joseph Campbell Archives.

The local people believe that in ancient times, the great sky chief Skel came down from the sky to live in Shasta and has been there ever since and protects it. Could this petroglyph of Skel be, as some believe, an actual depiction of an extraterrestrial being that the Modoc people encountered centuries ago? So we know there's been humans going through this area for a long time and creating these petroglyphs with these mystery teachings on it. So it's got all of that mythology attached to it and has all kinds of UFO sightings as well. Certain mountains are associated with UFOs,

and Mount Chastas is definitely one of them. It's interesting to me that we have modern accounts of UFO sightings, for example, right here at Mount Chasta. But what's fascinating to me is that there are many, many ancient stories of so-called UFO encounters that we consider today UFO encounters, right? And are UFOs typically you're seen kind of coming from the top, the crater of Mount Chastain, going up,

or are they coming out of the sea? side? What are the beliefs there? From all over this. It's like they're coming out of the mountain or that they're seeing hovering above it. It's very strange. Over the past century, there have been more than 50 reports of UFO sightings around Mount Shasta, with an increasing number in just the last decade. Dustin Neff is the author of Mount Shasta's forgotten history and legends. Almost everyone who lives there has seen something unusual. One of the most remarkable UFO sightings I've heard of took place in 2008.

Witnesses in the town of McLeod saw a UFO that looked like a giant glowing jellyfish, move over the town, and then fly off into the distance. I was driving back from Klamath Falls around 7, 637 in the evening, in the summertime. All of a sudden I looked up on the mountain and I seen the whole mountain toward Wierika side open up. And then this big ship came and sat there and hovered for a minute and then went right in. And the next thing you know, the mountain closed and I was like, what is going on? I never let things like that bother me now.

I've seen things like that all the time. And you know what's interesting about it too is that the Native Americans, there was a group of spiritual beings called the Waga that first came to Shasta and started instructing the local Native Americans and they told the story that there were giants that lived in Mount Chasta. Giants are often associated with the stories of Bigfoot. Absolutely. And Mount Shasta is also famous for Bigfoot scientists.

Yes, it is. In fact, the earliest really popular sightings of Bigfoot and where the name Bigfoot comes from is from Northern California and around Redding. Mm-hmm. Giants, Bigfoot. Incredibly, similar stories have been reported in this area for hundreds of years. And in October 1930, several newspapers detailed the discovery of a mysteriously large humanoid skeleton in the town of Reading, 60 miles south of Mount Shasta.

Here is author Hugh Newman. There are traditions of giants linked with Mount Shasta, which absolutely fascinating me. And one of these goes back quite a long way, and it's part of the Modoc tribe, who are kind of part of this area. And they say that Sky Spirit's daughter was abducted by a bear, and she actually gave birth to a race of giants. Some people suggest that these are actually hairy beast satchquat-like beings, connected with Mount Shasta.

So you've got this convergence of these stories, of massive UFO sightings, giants, star beings. This is like a hotbed area up here. It is incredible. Native Americans in the area around Mount Chaston warn people of the number of disappearances that have taken place up there.

So Mount Chasta is one of these hot spots for disappearing people then. Exactly. Native Americans in that area around Mount Chasta say that the area above the tree line is sacred and they warn people do not go up there. Is that so? Right.

which makes it not surprising to learn the number of disappearances that have taken place up there. So Mount Chast is one of these hot spots for disappearing people then. Exactly. Yes, Sisku County is the location that Carl disappeared in. Since 2009, former police detective Dave Politis has been applying his professional investigative training, attempting to solve mysterious missing persons cases all around the country. In 10 plus years, I've looked at over 5,000 search and rescue cases, and in those 1,200 are unexplained. And I mean that cases of possible animal predation have been vetted out.

Incidents of mental health, suicide were vetted out. And what you're left with is a complete void of rational explanation. The area around Mount Shasta has many unusual disappearances. One of the most baffling disappearances that Dave has been focusing on was reported on Mount Shasta in 1999. On May 25th, three experienced hikers, Carl Landers, milk Gaines, and Barry Gilmore, set off from Mount Shasta's Bunny Flat Trailhead towards the summit.

The guys got up to a place called 50-50. It was a place where hikers that wanted to summit would either camp there at the next stop called Lake Helen for the night. The next morning they get up, the wind's howling. The guys were putting the tent together and were stashing it for their climb, and they saw that Carl was looking cold. And so they said, hey, why don't you go to Lake Helens and we'll meet you there? And Carl took off walking. Shortly after Carl left the 50-50 campsite, Milt and Barry followed. But when they arrived at Lake Helen, just 650 feet away, Carl was nowhere to be found.

Milt Gaines, Carl's partner, got there, and he didn't see Carl. And now he's confused. Because there's no place between 50-50 and Lake Helen to disappear. There's no obstructions. You're above timber line. There's no big, huge boulders that are going to get in your way. And it's a solid snowfield with no crevices. And that started a week-long search and rescue that would rival any anyone knew about.

Now, one of the things that was done on the lander's case is that they checked with U.S. Geological Survey for seismic activity on the mountain. The reason they did that is that sometimes there's an avalanche of rock, and maybe the climber was covered by the rock and you wouldn't find him. During the time the car was gone, there was no seismic activity. so they know that Carl wasn't covered by rocks. Remarkably, in the more than 20 years since Carl's disappearance, no one has found any clues that could explain what happened to him.

Here is Melt Gaines. I don't know how many people have been up Avalanche Cults, but nothing has been found. No metal isax, no metal crampons, no colorful nylon pack or coat or black pants or plastic boots, nothing. The search and rescue coordinator around this event was an individual named Gris Adams.

Gris had been doing this for 30-plus years. Gris said, Dave, I guarantee Carl isn't on that mountain. He either went up or he went in, but he isn't on. Those were his words. I think that the comment tells you that there were a few options

for a rational explanation. So they never found him. They have no explanation for what happened. Everyone's just baffled. No. He's hiking up the mountain inside of his friends and suddenly disappears. And do they see him disappear or they just look away and they turn around and he's gone? Typically in those stories, people don't actually see them disappear, but they're nearby and they never call out for help or anything like that. Then there's a story of a three-year-old boy. He's camping with his parents on Chasta and he wanders off, disappears. Another very unusual disappearance that Dave Polite's investigated near Mount Shasta occurred on September 11, 2011.

A three-year-old boy disappeared on a camping trip, and he was later found by search and rescue at one of the first places they would have looked right next to a trip. One of the first things search and rescue people do is as they're walking down a trail, they're calling the boy's name. Tommy! Hey, Tommy! Hey, Tommy, where are you?

Now, if he was near the trail and he heard that, chances are he's going to come and get help because he'd been out there overnight. So to think that he was next to that trail the whole time is really hard to understand. Another unusual aspect to that story is that this boy told a story of after going missing, he was down in some kind of underground cave. And a woman, but he thought was a robot, was there asking him, If he was okay and comfortable, it was all a very strange story, something I've never heard before. While the story may sound like the product of a child's imagination,

the search and rescue team could provide no explanation for how the boy went missing for five hours, only to suddenly turn up right next to the trail. Many people say these disappearances are just accidents, but the idea that somebody disappears, in a location where there are UFO sightings, and sometimes reports of entities mirrors the idea, perhaps, of the alien abduction. Is it possible that Carl Landers and others who mysteriously disappeared around Mount Shasta were abducted by extraterrestrial beings?

Or might there be an even more profound explanation? People are still disappearing on Mount Chasta. This is not something that has, you know, stopped. And it's an open area where, you know, there's not that many places to hide except by going inside the mountain. Absolutely. But once again, this affirms the kind of the mystery, the strangeness of Mount Shasta and says there's a lot more going on here than we really realize. People are called to Mount Shasta and they don't know why. Mount Shasta is also apparently on a major layline.

They're a telluric current of energy going from different grid spots and power spots. What's going on in Mount Shasta is not just in North America. All over the world are these power spot mountains like Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta is sometimes said to be one of the chakras of the planet, too. The ancient Sanskrit term, chakra, refers to energy centers in the human body. In his 1967 book, Earth Chakras, author Robert Kuhn proposed that the planet also has energy centers. and that these act as connection points to otherworldly dimensions. His list includes Mount Sinai in Egypt,

Mount Kailash in Tibet, and Mount Shasta. There are traditions of sacred mountains all over the world. This is where the gods came down, started civilization, but it's also thought to be where communication with the gods took place, and potentially where interstellar travel. may have taken place between this world and other worlds. It seems that Mount Chasta is on some energy line that's perhaps connected even to Cusco and Lake Tidicaca,

Great Pyramids, you know, power spots, sacred places. Yeah, it's important to bring up the Great Pyramid because it reminds me of Mount Chasta. Really? Okay. First of all, it's a volcano. And the word pyramid means fire in the middle. And underneath the Great Pyramid, or tunnels. Same thing here at Chasta.

And it makes me think, well, maybe Shasta could have been like the natural origin of the idea of the pyramid is like a power center. But the pyramid is an artificial construction. A lava tube is not artificial. That's nature. Perhaps the pyramid is kind of like a technological version of a naturally occurring power center like a volcano. The Great Pyramid of Giza, a power center, modeled after a volcano, like a

Mount Shasta. In his 1998 book, the Giza power plant, renowned master craftsman and engineer Christopher Dunn proposed that the Great Pyramid was originally designed and functioned as a power plant. Two years later, based on curious erosion patterns within the pyramid, maritime engineer John Cadman lent his support to the theory. In the subterranean chamber, there is some evidence that shows that there has had been water present in it. There's water erosion on the floor, and then there's also cavitation damage on the ceiling

right above the pit, and that had to have been from a compression wave. Cadman concluded that the Great Pyramid was a gigantic hydraulic pump that drew water from the nearby Nile River to generate power. But if the Great Pyramid functioned as a power plant, what purpose might it have served? Ancient astronaut theorists suggest clues can be found in sacred Egyptian writings.

The pyramid text described the ancient Egyptian gods as extraterrestrials coming and going from two places, Syria and Orion. The pyramid itself, according to the ancient Egyptians, functioned as an ascension device. So everything that we discover about the Great Pyramid has to be related to its original function as a portal to other star systems or other dimensions. Is it possible that the Great Pyramid was designed by otherworldly visitors to function as some kind of portal?

And if so, could there have been others? Interestingly, while the Great Pyramid is a man-made structure, geologist Dr. Robert Schock has identified compelling similarities that it shares with Mount Shasta. I see many similarities between Mount Shasta geologically and the natural features it's associated with and artificial human constructed pyramids. Underground flowing water can carry a charge,

build up charge in certain areas that can then migrate to the surface along faults and fissures and in some cases then escape as basically basically falls of charge. Might the unique geology of Mount Shasta make it the perfect location for alien beings to create a portal to other parts of the universe, or even other dimensions?

So in a sense it's like an interdimensional portal where beings and craft can shift to other dimensions, go to other planets even? Exactly. And is it possible that some of these people who have disappeared, have actually been taken off planet or something? planet or something? That would make sense to me.

I mean, given what we're hearing about this, that they could have just stumbled into some kind of portal, as you're suggesting. I mean, seriously, we've got tremendous magnetic energy there, disappearances, all kinds of mysterious incidences like that. That's fascinating. William, you went up to Mount Shasta just recently. Can you tell us about your experience? Oh, it was absolutely mind-blowing.

Went up there to meet Dustin Neff. He's a local historian. He was one of these guys. it was called to the mountain. He kept hearing about the legends and so forth. He's been investigating it for many, many years. Yeah, I've read his books, and so you went to Mount Chastard too because of these strange disappearances.

Absolutely. What's interesting about this to me is that maybe it's a case of some kind of interdimensional portal opening up. This is a very mysterious part of the world, Northern California, where giants were there, star people, lost civilizations. It's magical. In November 2020, William Henry traveled to Weed, California to investigate firsthand if he could document any evidence to help explain the many UFO sightings, baffling disappearances, and encounters with strange beings that have been reported at Mount Shasta, and also to explore the incredible notion that the mountain might actually contain a portal through space and time.

Local author Dustin Neff has spent years investigating the mysteries of Mount Shasta. One story that I think I'm most excited and interested in is these light beings that are also described as living within Mount Shasta. Can we now tie that into Mu or Lemuria? Yeah, there's a lot of supporting evidence, and I think there's something to the stories. Lemuria is a civilization that was quite an advanced civilization for its time. and it existed somewhere off the Pacific coast of North America. The existence of a lost continent named Lemuria was first proposed by zoologist Phillips Sklater in 1864.

Curiously, this theory is corroborated by the ancient oral traditions of the native Hawaiian people, which say that the Pacific Islands of the region were once part of a giant continent, one that was home to a highly advanced, otherworldly civilization. This is Hawaiian cultural advisor Kim O'Keyo Kapuhlehua. We do know that there are some people that got lost,

and this is we called the Mu or the Lumaria people you might refer to. They existed at one time, and then we lost them under the ocean. Mitch Horowitz, author of The Seekers Guide to the Secret Teachings of All Ages. In the 19th century, there were various occult and esoteric writers, including Madam H.P. Blavatsky, who identified Lemuria as this primordial human civilization. And the idea was that some of humanity's hidden and occult roots could be traced back to this so-called continent of Lemuria. Mount Shasta ties in to the idea of the lost continent of Lemuria. They were thought to be very technologically advanced ancestors.

Maybe gods, maybe extraterrestrials, but whoever these people were, some calamity befell them. And the legend is that the survivors of this cataclysm took refuge in Mount Chester. Could there really have been a highly advanced civilization that existed on Earth thousands of years ago? And if so, could there be any truth to the notion that they took refuge from a devastating cataclysm in the caves of Mount Shasta. One man who was convinced the story was true was prospector J.C. Brown, who, in the early 20th century,

made it his mission to find the proof. You know, J.C. Brown became really enamored with the theories of Lemuria and Mew. Jay C. Brown claims to have been up here in 1906 prospecting for gold. When he accidentally unearthed a tunnel, which he describes as a man-made tunnel. And about a couple miles in,

he found what he describes as some kind of reliquary, containing all kinds of records of lost civilization. And he describes finding the bodies of mummified giants. Wow. And one of the things miners did was they would mark the environment with symbols. And there's a place not far from Mount Shasta where I found a whole collection of these glyphs that had been carved into rocks.

We know they were made sometime between the early 1900s and the 1940s, and that would have been the period of time that J.C. Brown would have been up in this area, looking around for things. This reminds me of, in Renly Chateau in France, northwest Arkansas, Oak Island. We find similar kind of symbols appearing in these various places. with treasuries, deposits. And then this looks almost like two peaks or a peak within a peak, like he's trying to point you inward

into the mountain almost. There's an interesting twist to this story. About 30 years later, J.C. Brown returned to Stockton, and his intention was to raise an expedition to go back up to this site and catalog what he found. And he raised a party of about 80 different people. And on the day that they were supposed to do, depart to go up to this site, he just mysteriously vanished.

He just vanishes. Yeah, no one ever heard from him again. I wonder if there could be some advanced ancient technology that he didn't fully understand associated with portals, the light beings, and that sort of thing. So there are actual tunnels that we can access today? Yeah, I can take you to a place called Pluto's Cave where people report and experience It's a lot of this phenomena that we've been talking about. Fantastic.

Let's go. Dustin is very intrigued as I am about the lava tubes that run underneath Shasta that extend into the inner earth. But we went into the Pluto cave, this lava tube. It's about 20 miles from Mount Shasta. Okay, so these extend for miles. And how big is the tube? Are you able to stand up right?

No, this one was huge. I mean, these are giant caverns. Really? And the Pluto cave, massive. You could drive a truck. through there. Really? Okay.

Absolutely. People around there think that if you find the right law of a tube or something, you can get into the city and into inside Mount Shasta. Exactly. In November 2020, William Henry, along with author and historian Dustin Neff, set out to explore what is known as Pluto's Cave, several miles north of Mount Shasta. It is here where numerous eyewitnesses claimed to have encountered mysterious beings. as well as seen evidence of possible interdimensional portals.

Pluto's cave is one of several natural wonders, known as lava tubes that crisscross the region. Mount Shasta is a volcanic mountain. So volcanic lava tubes are formed when you have fast flowing lava and it cools on the surface of the flow, so it actually builds a crust, but the lava continues to flow in the middle. And it forms literally a tube.

And these tubes, in some cases are very small. They might only be a few feet across. In other cases, they've been documented to be 50 feet across. And some of them have been documented to be not just miles long, but tens of miles long. Most all of the mythology and legends around the place, around the place, it all takes place underground in caves and tunnels which surround the area. If you were able to look underground, you would just see tunnels radiating out in every direction.

There are actually native authored stories that you could travel clear into Oregon completely underground. Yeah. Look at that, Dustin. That's awesome. Beautiful skylight. This almost makes like an eye-like symbol. Absolutely. Do you think J.C. Brown might have discovered a cave like this? Yeah, if it was in this area, it would be very similar to the cave we're in now. There's a really big subculture here in Mount Shasta that has always believed that these caves and tunnels contain a civilization, full of people just like you and I, and they come back and forth through portals hidden in these caves.

I've had people actually contact me and tell me they've seen people in this very cave walk right into a wall and vanish. What were these people like? What did they look like? They looked just like us. It's how they're able to travel back and forth and mingle with humans. Wow. One of the most famous reports of a being emerging from within Mount Shasta was made in 1930 by Guy Warren Ballard.

Ballard, a mining engineer who worked in the area, claimed he was surveying the slopes of the mountain when he encountered a mysterious glowing figure. Guy reported that when he was hiking on Mount Shasta in the early 1930s, he encountered some extraordinary mysterious teacher, which he later identified as the ascended master. This is a radiant being dressed in white, and they get into a long conversation. And this teacher, this guru, this otherworldly character teaches Ballard, the secrets. enlightenment. For ancient astronaut theorists, Ballard's description of a radiant being is reminiscent of accounts from ancient times, of similarly luminous figures. In Irish legend, we learn of the

Tuatha-Dadana, or the Tuadada. These are luminous humanoid beings who are considered to be beings of immense wisdom, who are also called the Shining Ones. Similar to the Shining Ones of Celtic tradition, The ancient Sumerian gods known as the Ananaki were also described as glowing figures. Might these accounts, including those made about Mount Shasta, be true? If so, can William Henry find any evidence to help verify them? If you look on the USGS charts, there's an immense negative magnetic anomaly that surrounds Mount Shasta. That's the layline they describe here, right? Yeah, a lot of psychic and paranormal phenomena actually occurs in places that have magnetic anomalies.

And used as a portal between the inner Earth realm and the stars. Yeah, yeah. Anything capable of generating energy like that could be a portal. Some theoretical physicists believe that strong variations of electromagnetic fields may create areas that give rise to exotic phenomena. Like portals through space and time. John Brandenburg, Ph.D. is the chief astronautic scientist at Kepler Aerospace. There appears to be in nature the possibility of crossing thresholds of energy, of vorticity, of electromagnetic phenomena, that can perhaps open up portals in space time that we never would have thought. thought possible.

This is where I've seen people get readings before. Okay, well let's take a look. Let's see what we got. Brought my meter with me just to see if we can detect any magnetic energy here. Okay, it's jumping all over. Got some movement here. All right, we got a reading here. Very interesting.

Several miles north of Mount Shasta in Northern California, William Henry and author Dustin Neff have just detected a mysterious energy spike in Pluto's cave. A giant lava tube connected to the mountain. We're getting a lot of movement here on the magnetic side. I can personally feel it. And then now we've got the readings here that are backing that up. And sensitive psychic people could follow that line, follow a trail wherever it leads. Yeah, a lot of psychic and paranormal phenomena actually occurs.

in places that have magnetic anomalies. Right. Mount Shasta, it's basically made of a type of geology that conducts electricity. And if you were to look underneath Mount Shasta, you would find reservoirs of churning water, just millions and millions of gallons of water, just churning, and that creates energy.

And that's one of the theories about the pyramid, is that the tunnels were used as conduits, as conduits for water, that the pyramid is a power plant, and somehow water was used to facilitate that. Exactly, but the same thing is happening here at Mount Shasta. It's just being driven by natural forces. So that could explain, if the pyramid is a machine, which is the way to describe it,

that would explain how people can come and go from Mount Shasta. It's like an interdimensional portal. It does go a long ways to explain the energy people feel up here, because it's basically an energetic site. So now that you've returned from Mount Chasta, did you come to any conclusions? In the end, I really don't have a conclusion about Mount Chasta. For me, it's a beginning. Because I realize how much is going on there.

You've got the portal aspect. You've got the light beans. You've got the UFOs. You've got the natural geologic possibilities that are there. And you've got Lemuria. What makes Mount Chasta fascinating to me are the questions. Because clearly, there are so many stories, so many legends. So many events that have been witnessed by people, something clearly is happening there.

You've got all this lore and stories that's coming out of it. It is rooted in eyewitness accounts. It's rooted in historical accounts. It's not the stuff of legend. It's tremendously exciting that this is in our own backyard. It's not Peru or Amazon or Egypt. It's right here in Northern California. And what's interesting here, too, is we have all the...

the stories going into antiquity and beginning of time, but this is something that's still going on. Well, gentlemen, this has been a fascinating conversation and this is what science and the ancient astronaut theory is all about, the investigation. Because sure, one could just dismiss the whole thing and say, oh, come on, it's nothing, but something clearly is happening at Mount Chasta.

And I think that this merits even further investigation, because what if Mount Chasta is part of this giant riddle that we're all investigating?