And That's Why We Drink - E1 Francis Ford “Cupola” and the Off-Brand Kool-Aid

Episode Date: February 9, 2017

Get your wine and milkshakes ready - it’s time for the first episode of And That’s Why We Drink! Em tells Christine all about one of the most haunted places in America, the Winchester Mystery House. Christine tells Em about the most famous mass suicide in history, though the flavor of the Kool-Aid is still up for debate.Thanks so much for joining us. If you like this episode, please take a moment to rate and subscribe! #AndThatsWhyWeDrink

All right, take it away, Christine. Welcome to our new podcast. Gosh, we're such losers. This is episode one. I'm so nervous. Maybe we should say what it's called. This is called, and that's why I drink. That's why we drink.

Shit. and that's why we drink and that is a perfect example of why we drink uh so great start to our podcast this is episode one um yes it is how would you like to describe this podcast to probably our parents? Yeah, probably. Because no one else is listening yet. Mom and dad. So this podcast is about why we drink. Well, so I guess I should say I drink milkshakes specifically. Sure, yes. And I drink just anything with alcohol in it. So we just cover all of the calories.

Right, exactly. In two people. Yeah, and, you know, we were thinking about why we drink, and there are a lot of reasons to be drinking milkshakes and or wine. I think, well, specifically, the reason I drink as the reason you drink is because we really like murdering ghosts. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the world is a scary place. So, that's mainly why we drink and that's mainly what we're going to talk about in this podcast. So, M over here. Yeah.

Or do you want to be called Emily? Oh, no. M. Oh, yeah. So, M over here. She's going to be covering the paranormal side of why we drink. That's the truth. And you're going to cover anything true and bloody.

That is right. And my name is Christine. Good for you. By the way. Well, I introduced you. Oh, whoops. So we're M and Christine. We are.

We're Christine and M, you know, whichever you prefer. Yeah. I was going to make a celebrity nickname for us, but there's not a good one. Oh, creme? Like crime. No, that's stupid. Let's not stick with that. Okay, well.

Moving on. Is there anything before we just... Well, do you want to talk about what you're drinking tonight? Just like your drink of choice for the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just before we get started. I mean, I'm just going with a simple chocolate-based milkshake today. Classic. With whipped cream.

Oh. I wanted to make it a special occasion. Pulling out all the stops, yeah. And I see you're already down a whole drink. Well, half of one. So my drink of choice this evening is a lovely red box. From good old Trader Joe's. Boxed one.

It's from a box made of cardboard, but it's good for the environment. My milkshake came from a fast food restaurant, so it probably also came out of a box. Exactly. So you're doing a good job. Just to specify, it's a Cabernet Sauvignon from California. Good. Because the last time I asked you what you were drinking, you didn't even know it was just a box. Um, so should we talk about how we became

friends or how we got in, how we realized we're both sick in the head? Sure. We both have problems and we have mutual respect for one another. Well, I don't really remember. I don't remember how we told each other that we both like this kind of stuff. That's true. I mean, because we, I know, we became friends here or in Boston. We knew each other in Boston. I mean, we went to grad school in Boston together before moving out to L.A. Right.

And we separately moved out to L.A. Sure. And then we were the only people we knew so we just became friends right of course it worked and then it and then luckily we were both into really gory horrible writers everything bad yeah I think the first time we ever actually talked about the stuff was Halloween oh yeah that's true because Because you wanted me to come over and tell you ghost stories. Yeah, I just demanded it, really. I was like, come tell me ghost stories. I didn't have a milkshake, but you certainly had your wine. I hope I do.

So I think that was the first time we talked about it, but then I realized you were one of my people. Aww. So is there, before we get get into stories is there a personal murder or anything like that that you are let me tell you about a personal murder i mean like a person a personal like like what was the story that like caught your eye and got you into this oh i see oh my there were probably a lot of those um what's like the first one where you were just like yes this is this is where my interests now

lie officially? You know, I've always been interested in serial killers. Okay. Like since birth. So anyway, preschool, you know, I had an affinity for blood and gore. That means you're a little bit of a sis with that. I think the thing was that I found out about Reddit and I found these my brother told me about these subreddits and self mysteries

true crime like let's not meet and I was like I just spent all hours of the night reading them and it was a problem and it still is so here we are today. We're making we're making good out of it. We're making lemonade out of lemons. I'm trying anyway.

I've always been into the paranormal since I can remember. I've seen a lot of shit in my day. I've seen a lot of shit. Your story is way cooler than mine. I saw my first ghost when I was seven. Oh my god. And it's just gotten extra neat every time it's my ghost story. I just want to hear you talk about that all day.

So I decided to start looking into other ghost stories. Love it. Anyway. And here we are combining our mutual. Before we start drinking specifically about murder and things we can't escape, like death. Mm-hmm. Is there any personal reasons why you drink this week? Oh, let's think about that.

How have you disappointed your parents today? The ways I've disappointed my parents. And reasons why I drink. I would say this week I drink because I have an improv show tomorrow and it's terrorizing me. I'm nervous for you. I'm so nervous. I'm not even going to be there.

And I feel like I'm going to know in my heart when you get on the stage. And I'm going to be like, my core is going to be rocked. I'm going to be like, oh. It's almost as if I'm on the stage. But, yeah, you know, we'll see how it goes. Well, I'll let you know tomorrow if I've disappointed everyone and anyone that I know in my performance. Good luck. Thanks.

I'm drinking on a personal level because I lost my credit card. Oh, God, that's a tough one. And if it weren't for my mother to get me out of yet another jam in my life. They always do. I was going to have the bank. I basically was going to go without money for a week and I have $40 to my name. And my gas tank is really empty. And I live in LA, so $40 is just about one tank of gas.

We'll get you to work them back one time. So that was how I disappointed my mom, where she ended up texting me. And she was like, do you need me to do this for you? Do you need she ended up texting me and she was like do you need me to do this for you do you need me to fix your problem i was like yes you do you know the answer to that yes please uh why else do it am i drinking there's so many reasons there's a good amount a plethora uh oh here's one i'm about, wow, yeah. And I haven't told my roommate yet that I'm leaving. Awkward. And I'm leaving pretty darn soon. So

it's going to be in his hands to find someone and the longer I wait, the longer, the shorter time he has to find someone. So I mean, I already feel bad for what I'm doing to him and he doesn't know yet. I mean, we can make this like a ways we've disappointed our roommates because that also is like a pretty telling story. Or ourselves. Every day I wake up and I'm like, ugh, not married yet. I mean, we can make this like a way we've disappointed our roommates because that also is like a pretty telling story.

Every day I wake up and I'm like, ugh, not married yet. Every time my mom texts me, if I found anyone, I just gulp down a milkshake. And that's why we drink, folks. Alright, well, let's move on to some good... The meat of the

podcast. Meat and potatoes. Oh, yeah. Are you feeling murder or are you feeling I feel like I want to hear your story I feel like I'm I've got such a good one too I've got such a good one

it's aching to hear it oh my goodness okay well I'm gonna whip out my my notes whip it out baby alright I'm good

I brought multiple notes of multiple kinds I have like a blues clues handy dandy notebook oh great And I've got several pages of notes here. Yeah. Well, I'm going to pour myself a cup of Renee. All right. And settle in for, so I'm going to ask you before I get into this and I I hope you say yes because I don't have another story to tell you.

How do you feel about rich women building mazes out of castles to run away from ghosts? Well, I actually have strong feelings about that, Ben. What in God's name are you talking about? I'm about to tell you all about your future. I was going to say, this really sounds like something out of my personal diary. Let's dive right into the Winchester Mystery House. Oh, I'm so ready. This is a place I love. I've been there.

I went with a friend. Where is it? It's in San Jose. Okay. Which is only a couple hours from us. Yeah. It is a national landmark. I feel like I should bring that up because people will be like, will it be up forever?

And now it certainly will. It will. california's do florida yeah so we'll see it'll be in the ocean soon um all right so let's get right into the mystery house tell me also known as the spirit house and i didn't know this it's one of the most haunted houses in america even better i didn't even know ghosts were involved until I researched this. I'm so ready. And then it went from zero to 60. Yeah. All right.

The Winchester family. Have you heard of Winchester Rifles? The gun? I have. Okay. This is a family about them. Okay. Or this is about their family.

Wow. How much milkshake have you had? Maybe I need to take a nap. Let's do it after I tell the story, though. All right. William Winchester was the treasurer of that company. His father was one of the founders, so they're both involved in this. He married a girl named Sarah, who becomes the main character of this story.

And this is in New Haven, Connecticut. I liked this story. Very serendipitous, I think. Because we met in Boston. We did. And Boston has a little cameo in here. Ooh. And it ends in California just like us.

Oh my gosh, how fitting. I do what I can. So, William Winchester married Sarah, and they lived in New Haven, Connecticut, and they had a daughter who died pretty quickly. Sad. She died, I think, only a couple weeks after her birth. Oh. Yeah. She died, like, right away.

Really? So that immediately puts Sarah, our main character, in quite a spiral, now that she's childless. Understandable. From there, in 1881, because this is a long time ago, in 1881, William and his father-in-law, who's also involved in the company, they both die within like a week of each other. And those were like her only family. So she's got her daughter dead, her husband dead, and her father-in-law dead. So here's the upside, besides being widowed and childless. She inherits all of both of their share.

Oh, wow. So this girl inherited almost 50% of the company and a fortune of, get that wine glass ready because we're going to wish you were her. fortune of get that wine glass ready because we're gonna wish you were her she gets a fortune of at the time of 20 million dollars which in today's world is 500 million dollars god and she gets that in a lump sum and then after that earns a daily income of a thousand dollars a day which in today's world because i checked with an inflation calculator, is just over $25,000 a day. I hate my life. Oh, that glass is mysteriously updating.

It will be soon. So imagine just waking up one day, checking your bank account. You got $500 million, and then every day for the rest of your life, you make $25,000 extra. I can't even imagine. It would be a nice time,

except ghosts are also involved. Well, except also your whole family's dead. But, you know. Yeah, she has no one to share with. But that also means more money for her. Cons and cons. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

So, with all this money, you would think her life's going well. But she is crazy depressed because her family's just all dead. Sure. And she still lives in Connecticut at this time. And gets... Basically, she's so depressed. She doesn't know what to do. She thinks that there's a curse on the family.

And so she goes to a medium in Boston, known as the Boston Medium, apparently. That's original. Because in the 1880s, maybe there was just one. The only one. So the Boston Medium, he tells her that she was right, that the family's cursed and it's haunted by all of the spirits of people who have died from the Winchester guns. Oh. So any, apparently Indians at the time.

Oh my God. Any Civil War soldiers and any people that just got. That's probably a lot of people. A whole darn lot of people. So, he says that the only way to appease the spirits is to move West and build a house for them. Oh. That's very specific.

I think so. And also, it makes me wonder, did he just do this just to be like, let's see if she does it? Right. That's what I'm thinking. I mean, if you're a medium in the 1800s, which probably you didn't need a lot of proof. Right. You could just walk around and be like.

You didn't need like a TLC show to be like. Right. You could probably just be like, oh, I'm a medium, by the way. The Boston medium. I'm the only one who's claiming it. So I guess I'm the one. And I can make you move out to California. Let me just get out of my hair.

The ghosts are after you. I'm like, all these American Indians just want you dead. I think he was having a bet amongst himself. And could be. Anyway. So that's... That's a weird request, but anyway. So he said, go west.

And so she ended up moving to what is now San Jose. Okay. I don't know what it was then. I think... I don't know. It doesn't matter. It's San Jose now. Yeah.

I don't know. It doesn't matter. It's San Jose now. And apparently there was some other reason that, like, documents say that she moved for some other reason, like her sister was moving out there, so she followed or something like that. But I think those are the skeptics trying to make up stuff. I see. Because her sister who moved out with her didn't hang out for very long.

Oh. So. She peaced out? Yeah. Okay. Maybe because she found out her sister's crazy. Let's find out why. So in 1884, she's now in San Jose, and she bought a farmhouse with eight bedrooms, which

by the end of the story, eight bedrooms sounds like nothing. It sounds like it's not a big house at all. And she started construction immediately. She started construction, and it did not end. Oh, this is the other thing I forgot to tell you. The Boston Medium says you have to build a house at West for them, and if construction were to ever stop, you will be the next one to die. What?

Yeah. That's actually a pretty good deal. What's this guy's deal? Where's the lady? The medium. Oh, the medium is a boy. His name is Adam McCoons. I feel like he has some issues.

Maybe one of his parents were killed with a wooden chester rifle. Oh, could be. And he's like, all right, let's do this. So he says construction has to be going on nonstop or else he'll die. So she buys this farmhouse and construction begins immediately. And until she died 38 years later, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year for 38 years. This house had nonstop construction. What?

Like, what were they doing? You will soon find out. you are jumping ahead of me so construction around the clock which by the way i would fucking hate yeah why yeah i imagine trying to sleep in this house and you just have like nails like hammering yeah yeah it was 1800 so i can't imagine there were power tools but know, there's still hammers and stuff like that. I mean, it was going to be annoying no matter what. So here's the thing. She was still paranoid about the spirits coming to get her or finding her in the house or having maybe in her world, maybe they tricked the medium.

And so they were going to build a house and then they were going to kill her anyway. They tricked the medium, and so they were going to build a house, and then they were going to kill her anyway. So she built this house. Since it had to be nonstop for essentially her life, she was like, I might as well just build whatever the fuck I want. And so she built it so that it's so complex and so bizarre and so out there that her hope was to trick the ghosts into never finding her. Well, that makes a lot of sense. Let me just read a couple things. What's she writing? Let me just read a couple things to blow your mind.

So the house starting was on six acres. It was an eight-bedroom house on six acres. The house ended up being six acres. Oh, God. It was 24,000 square feet with seven floors. Only, and I say only because originally there were five to 600 bedrooms or different rooms in general, and it dwindled down to 160. Casual.

10,000 windows, 2,000 doors, 52 skylights, 47 fireplaces, 40 of the 160 rooms were bedrooms, 40 staircases, 13 bathrooms, six kitchens, three elevators, basements and one shower one shower in 13 bathrooms okay 40 bedrooms i think i think in the 1880s though a shower was like very that's true you couldn't just throw those around like you could throw around 2 000 doors so but let's also talk about it's not just a giant mansion. Oh, also a fun fact about this was last year, originally they were saying for the last 40, 50 years that there was 160 rooms left. In October, they found another hidden room. Creepy. No, the creepy part is when they opened up the room, the only thing that was in there was an old Victorian couch and a antique doll staring at the door.

I fucking knew you were going to say it was a doll, and I was like, no way. I swear to you. Are you kidding with me? The house also took 20,000 gallons of paint, and one, if you did the whole house, it took 20,000 gallons of paint. So let's talk about not just how much

and how big the sizes were of this place. I'm going to tell you about some of the things that she did to trick these ghosts. You ready? I'm ready. There were trap doors, false passageways, stairs that lead to the ceiling. They, stairs that lead to the walls, doors that open into walls. So you just open a door and there's cement or brick there. Windows in the middle of the room.

So you could just like walk a 360 around the window. Windows that looked out into nothing, like, they just looked into a random corridor. A skylight in the floor, skylights between floors, so you could, like, walk in and look down and see another floor. What else? There were, oh, there were, like, all the posts, like, let's say, like the top of a railing, there was like a, like a post that ended to be all pretty, upside down. Wow. Like,

or they'd be like sticking out of walls. She had chimneys that were either so tall, they would go through like four floors or chimneys that were too short. And you could see between the chimney and the ceiling. And it never actually like opened up. It was just a giant brick chimney that led to nothing. How is she directing these people? She was just like, make haste.

She was probably you and just drinking a lot of boxed wine. She was like, throw a door there. That is going to be me someday. There was also a seance room for her to communicate to the ghosts with. So she wanted to communicate. She, I think, was communicating to be like, is this good enough for you? Is this good? I would. I thought she was hiding from them, but she also wanted to please. I think maybe she had a central hub. I understand. Um, I've been to this house and I'm telling you it's a trip. Like it, everything I read to you is true.

I can't even imagine what it would, it was the craziest thing. And I went on, they have different types of tours. They have, like, a flashlight tour at night that they do during, like, Halloween. They have, like, a grand estate tour because there's also, like, greenhouses and gardens. She has a ballroom that cost $9,000 back then when a house cost less than $1,000. Oh, my God. So she had a ballroom, like, 10 times as extravagant of a house so is it like a museum now okay and uh now the like the original caretakers of it um now their sons and

grandsons are the people who run it like it's like stayed in the family to, like, maintain it. So, is it haunted? It certainly is. So, in, let's see, where was I? In 1906, there was an earthquake. And she got trapped in one of her 40 bedrooms because one of them was bound to trap her. And she took it as a sign that the spirits thought that she was spending too much money decorating enough time, like, focusing on why she was trying to appease them or something like that. So she told them to seal up that whole section of the house, which is where they found that hidden room. And then she just moved away. And she would visit regularly to, like, make sure that they were still building.

Like, moved out of the house? She moved out of the house. Oh, okay. that they were still building out of the house she moved out of the house okay and she did and then she would come back all the time to like make sure they were still doing construction because if they stopped then she thought she was gonna die so after that she stayed out of the house out of she didn't live in the house but for the next 16 years she would visit every day and she'd then she'd keep giving them lavish ideas of what she needed to do and um like she would do things uh where she

would tell uh like one of the one of the maintenance workers i want you to paint the entire room like red walls red floor red ceiling red doors everything red and then as soon as he finished she would be like tearing up paint everything like just to give them something to do. Like a nightmare. I mean, she sounds like the producers we work with. Yeah. I was going to say,

I recommend. He's like, do the impossible. Now do it again. Did it all wrong. But so she like, she would have them build. That's why originally there was like five or 600 rooms.

Cause they would build them just to tear them down, just to rebuild them, just to make them look entirely different. Cause all, all that she was told was they have to keep working on it. That's nuts. So in 1922, she died at 83. So she beat those ghosts to it. She certainly did her job.

And construction ended at that point. But the weird thing is, like, I guess the people that did maintenance on the house for 38 years were the same people the entire time so like they knew her inside and out and i guess they also had experienced some paranormal stuff going on there because i guess they all had an understanding that the second that she died um that they had to stock constructs entirely because that otherwise there's no point in building anymore so when she she died, they stopped mid-hammering a nail. And so if you go into the museum, you can still see nails that are half driven in from where people found out that she died.

And when she ended up leaving Earth, leaving our world, they ended up taking all the furniture out, I guess like in her will, she gave everything to like a niece or something. And, uh, she, he,

uh, excuse me. When they were taking everything out, like all the furniture, uh, it took eight truckloads a day for six and a half weeks to get everything out of that house. Cause when you have like a thousand rooms oh my god and you and you lavishly decorate every single one of them like imagine how much stuff is in there and they left the ball i mean but keep in mind like let's not

forget she made twenty five thousand dollars a day and she had so she was just spending money like she was just by the most like like golden victorian couches like that a prince sat on i'm sure so she um once they moved everything out uh new people just bought it it i guess like 10 years later and turned it into an attraction made it a landmark and then it became open to the public okay um. Before I get into the specific ghosts, I do want to tell you another weird thing about her, which in that list of chaos that made up her house, I did say that she has 13 bathrooms. She had a weird thing about the number 13, and a lot of the house had characteristics of 13 in it.

So let's get into that. Creepy. So the entrance hall, one of many, I presume, they were all divided into 13 sections. All of the stairs had 13 steps, which actually is common in a lot of houses, but hers were like tiny steps. Like even if there didn't need to be steps, like she would make 13 little tiny steps go up. So you had to go down little 13 little steps to be in the same room.

Creepy. She had like windows had 13 window panes, wall panels. There were, there were 13. Oh, window panes, wall panels. There were 13 wall panels per room before reaching the 13th bathroom. And in the 13th bathroom, there were 13 windows with 13 panes that all had 13 candles.

And every banister had 13 railings. The elevators had 13 panels. The greenhouse had 13 glass little, what is it called, like a cupola? Francis Ford. The greenhouse had 13, like, glass little, like, what is it called? Like a cupola? Cupola? Cupola? Francis Ford. That's a person.

Wrong. No, the thing that's like, it like pops out of a roof. A chimney? It's not, but I'm just going to stop. Cupola? Cupola. I'm not sure either of us know what we're talking about. We have master's degrees.

Not in vocabulary. In case you guys were wondering. 13 holes in all of her drains. All the ceilings had 13 tiles on them. The chandeliers all had 13 bulbs or like actual candles. And I guess the way they were all manufactured then is they all had 12. And she would have every chandelier that came into the house be installed with an extra spot. that came into the house and be installed with an extra spot and um the seance room had 13 hooks for 13 different robes that she would wear for every 13 meetings that she had with the ghosts

to be like don't kill me oh my and uh when she died this is the weirdest part when she died um she had uh she had 13 sections to her will, and she signed it 13 times. So what with the 13? Is that, like, did anybody? I looked everywhere. There's a theory that people were just looking for 13s everywhere to, like, make her sound crazier than she was. But, I mean, she already looks pretty crazy. I mean, that's a lot of 13s.

I mean, if she had people install a 13th. looks pretty crazy. I mean, that's a lot of... I mean, if she had people install a 13th... I mean, no, like, people are saying that they went in after she died and did all of this shit to Tau's. That seems like a lot of work to make somebody look...

I don't know. So anyway, let's get into the ghosts. This is just a couple of the paranormal things that have happened to not just the people who worked there, but the visitors now. Because there are no documents of her actually having experiences herself with the ghost. She, like, refused to, like, put them on paper. I don't know.

But when it comes to, like, all of the people that worked there, they all reported stuff. Sure. I mean, they all stayed with her for, like, 40 years. If I didn't think the place was actually haunted and I was working for someone who made me, like, build, like, a labyrinth every day, I'd be like, no, see ya. Yeah, and also she had a seance room, so. Yeah, exactly. If I had to build a seance room and didn't believe there were ghosts in that house, I would have left. So, people who stayed there for, like, 40 years and then their ancestors are now working there.

Yeah. There's something I think going on. Something's up. So this is the common thing that most people experience. The first one is temporary blindness. Uh, what? People like on tours just stop seeing. That's terrifying.

Yeah. I don't know about it it but there have been multiple i did my research let's just say i called the house today and i was like what's going on and they're like yeah people literally in the middle of the in the i want to call it a maze but i guess it's a tour um they'll just like freak out and be like is it dark in here did you turn all the lights off and they're're like, oh no, this is normal. You're just blind. You're just blind now.

Uh, I see chills, like not just cold spots, but cold followings. Like I see chills that won't leave them alone. Um, they'll get like handprints on their arms. Like someone was holding onto them while they walked around. Um, they'll hear organ music, which is something that she played. Apparently she had arthritis, so she played the organ to keep circulation in her hands or something. A lot of moving lights, and specifically big red flashes of light in her room. Ooh, what does that mean?

I don't know. Red isn't a good color, usually. Yeah, it seems ominous. Okay, so in the seance room in 1975, one paranormal investigator brought a bunch of reporters and they did a seance in her seance room. Why? Because people are fucking crazy. So the reporter, and this is a quote, the investigator, her name was Jean Borgen, Borgen? Borgen.

Borgen. Borgen. And the reporter wrote in, I guess it got published in some sort of investigative, not journal, like nothing that great, but like a magazine. Sure. Uh, it said, uh, Borgen's face aged right in front of my eyes. Her hair grayed and she formed deep crease lines in her forehead. She experienced staggering pain and was unable to walk. And right before she passed out, she screamed, help me, someone get me out of here.

And then she passed out. And all of the reporters just sat there, probably crying their eyes out or pooping their pants. One of the two. All of the above, probably. God. Yeah. So I just think that's pretty interesting that is terrifying another thing is uh employees will regularly hear their name

throughout the house when they're like closing up and they're they have to go through that castle by themselves nope um the kitchens there's six of them uh they also they all smell like soup like if you like if you walk through sometimes they'll smell soup like it's cooking over a stove and they took the stove out but where the stove used to be sometimes people will feel like like hot spots as if like soup is cooking did she just really like soup is that i don't know but can you imagine making soup like on floor one and you want to go eat it on floor seven by the time you get there it's cold so frustrating um in bedroom 860 so uh the caretakers at vero when they lock all the doors at night they'll regularly go back to like check like a couple hours later like they have

like non-stop security yeah and all the doors will be unlocked and the doors are wide open oh great um another thing is one caretaker heard the sound like he had to like monitor a room because apparently lost like there was talk of stuff going on in there like people just felt really weird and so they had someone stay i think this wasn't actually a caretaker i think it was someone from like a paranormal team that went in and did a lockdown um he heard what sounded like a screw coming undone for, like, five minutes, and then he, like, just ignored it. And a couple minutes later, like, three screws fell from the ceiling.

Like, just fell, like, right in front of him. After he heard them turning. Wait, they were unscrewing themselves? That's terrifying. I know. Can you imagine if you're, again, on floor one, and, like, all of a sudden the whole house just falls on you? That's great.

This is great. So the last paranormal experience that was worth mentioning is when they started doing tours in the 2000s, they wanted to do a, quote, behind-the-scenes tour. And so they were opening up, like, the basement and other places that were usually were usually like you couldn't get access to them on the tour and one of the things that they used to have the employees do when they weren't giving tours is they would have to like clean out those places okay while they were like sweeping and organizing it so I get it tour ready I guess it was a couple months of them getting everything ready and they had a bunch of maintenance people around that were new hires just to help temporarily

and everyone kept seeing this guy in like a hat with like white um white worker clothes and like coveralls and a mustache and he was carrying around a wheelbarrow a lot everyone saw him with a wheelbarrow um and people kept going up to their supervisors being like, who's that guy? He doesn't talk to anyone. Like, he just always kind of hangs out in the back. And every time they were like, I have a list right here of everyone working. No one, I don't know who that guy is. Like, I don't know who you're talking about.

I haven't seen him, but he's not on the list. Oh, my God. And probably four or five people kept saying, there's a guy with a mustache and white coveralls, and he's always with a wheelbarrow walking around like in the garden with us like getting everything ready and uh so they kept digging out this basement to like get ready for the tour and they were pulling out all this old stuff that was never really seen before and one of the pictures he was in oh yes and they still have that picture. Are you kidding? They have it hanging now in the basement

that they show people. And he's apparently like right in the picture and they're like, this guy watched us get the basement ready. That's terrifying. Yeah.

I got chills. I'm glad. Spooky. That was the whole point of this. Anyway. The end. The Winchester Mystery House. And that's why I drink.

We'll work on that, guys. We'll get it. We'll get it someday. Oh, that milkshake's tasty. Now, enlighten me on this murder. All right. Here we go. Tonight, I'm going to tell everyone about the Jonestown Massacre.

Yes. I know. I love it. I love it. I love it. And I know this is a well-known one, but... I love it. I will tell you that I don't know everything about it.

Yeah. But everyone knows something. I just feel like there's a lot of weird details that maybe not everybody knows. I believe you. You know? Also, we grew up, I feel like our parents grew up at a time where it was definitely heard about. And now we kind of hear it secondhand as if it used to be like a popular thing. Like you hear like, drink the Kool-Aid, but everybody knows where that comes from.

Exactly. Well, I guess it comes from Jonestown. Tell me all about it. You would be right. I'm excited. So speaking of crazy people. I'm ready. Yeah.

So there was this guy named Jim Jones. He was from Indiana. Where they all come from, by the way. See, it all started in the Midwest. You know who else comes from Indiana? Eleven from Stranger Things. Yeah. And, you know, I'm from Ohio next door.

I'm not. So I dodged that bullet. Yeah. The Midwest is, you know, a scary place. Take it away. The Midwest is, you know, a scary place. Take it away. So in 1956, this guy named Jim Jones decided he was going to start this cool cult, which I guess he probably didn't describe as a cult.

I'm pretty sure he described it as a church, quote unquote. A neat club. Yeah, a fun club for everyone. It was called the People's Temple. So he wanted to build this sort of utopia and he called it communist. And he said, you know, this is, I want everyone to be, he adopted all these like interracial kids and wanted just inclusion of, you know, all races and ethnicities. So in 1966, 10 years later, he moved his church to California and started, he actually, the way he made enough money to

establish this church was actually by selling imported monkeys door to door as pets. You know, the way we all do. I was going to say, I think he sold out a job out from under me. Making ends meet. We're all doing something in California to make the money work.

What you're telling me is California to make the money work. What you're telling me is he just joined the LA struggle. If there were monkeys to sell, I would sell them in a heartbeat. Yes, and I'd probably buy one because that's the kind of thing I do with my money. I wouldn't take one because there's bread to be made there. And I... With the money I make, I can't afford a monkey. Yeah. I can certainly afford to sell one.

We'll look into that. Did they tell you at all how much the monkey cost? Was he selling black market? I think they were black market. It said they were imported and he was selling them as exotic pets. So I imagine it wasn't the most, you know, governmentally overseen project. The thing that is interesting to me immediately is that you said 1956? Yes.

1966 at this point. 1966. Yes. I don't know. Like, when I think of the 60s, because I wasn't there, I just think of, like, I guess a bunch of hippies, but never in a book did I see a single monkey. Okay, listen.

I got something for you. Okay. So my stepmom, who may or may not be listening to this, her older brother, when her parents were out of town, bought a bear from a catalog. A bear? From a catalog? Yeah. That's two weird things in one sentence. It was either the 60s or 70s, but they bought a bear as children.

What catalog was this? Can I have a copy? Well, that's what I'm saying. I feel like, you know, things were way cooler. Well, everyone was just smoking weed. Of course you could just build a catalog out of animals. Just buy zoo animals out of a catalog. So they literally bought

a bear and they kept it in their playroom and it escaped one day and then it ended up at the Cincinnati Zoo and then it died. But this was a long time ago. But so they, I mean it truly happened. They bought a zoo animal and then their parents let them keep it because like, what the hell else are they going to do? That's the stuff that they need to teach us in history class. Because when I hear that it was like the era of psychedelic drugs.

Sure. I don't hear. Oh, you could just buy an animal out of a magazine. Yeah, you can keep like SkyMall. You can keep a zebra in your bathroom. It's like SkyMall. The best of Tyler. I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm always waiting up on SkyMall. Oh yeah, you can buy like $300 gnomes, like garden gnomes in SkyMall. The best of Tyler. I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm always waiting up on the SkyMall.

Oh, yeah. You can buy, like, $300 gnomes, like, garden gnomes in SkyMall. Okay, so let's just pretend that buying and selling monkeys in the 60s was a normal thing. Sure. So that's what happened. And speaking of normal things, he had everyone in his church call him either father or dad. He described himself as Christ and announced at one point that he considered himself God. And he also took a lot of drugs. May or

may not be related. Well, we weren't just discussing that at all. Speaking of the 60s. So he had this crazy paranoia and he was convinced that the FBI and CIA were after him, which they probably should have been if they were not. I feel like if I'm a cop and someone's importing monkeys and I know about it,

I'm not doing my job right if he's not in jail. Right. And is also, like, the head of a cult where he thinks he's Jesus Christ. But, you know. Call me daddy and I'll sell you a monkey. Mine are root holes. Oh, yeah. Sounds about right.

So, he heard that there was this expose about his, because his church was kind of growing. And, like, from the outside it looks like, okay, he's just creating some, you know, religious group and whatever standard 60s procedure. I want to join the religion where monkeys are. Yeah, I know, but he left the monkeys behind and decided that before they printed this article

about him, he was going to move his entire cult to Guyana. The holiest of lands. So he took hundreds of his members, he had hundreds of members at this point, flew them all down to Guyana in 1973. He found a remote section of jungle. They didn't have the internet or like Zillow back then, so I don't know how he...

So he just said, find me in jungle. He's like, I found an Airbnb in Guyana. And leased it from the government, which whatever. And he called it Jonestown because I guess back in the 60s, you could also just create towns named after. You could just Christopher Columbus, whatever the hell you wanted. Here it is. So Jonestown was his like utopian quote unquote settlement. So he moved hundreds of people down there. And over time people

kept coming. Um, and did they ever tell you how many? Yes. And considering the ending of the story, you will find out how many people ended up being a part of this fun church. I know the ending. I can't wait to get there. Exactly. So hundreds of people are kind of like flooding into this place. Um, and it was not as utopian as people had expected. So it was like a small amount of space. They didn't have enough cabins for everybody. So there were all these bunk beds. They were basically like crammed in.

They had to work these crazy long shifts every day, like 11, 12-hour days. Again, it still sounds like Los Angeles. It's like our lives in LA. Except without the exotic monkeys. Right. Just a better LA then. So the cabins were also gender specific. So like married couples were split up.

The heat was just miserable. So people were getting sick. And this guy, I guess he was just like kind of going nuts and he was doing a lot of drugs at this point. So he was spending a lot of time talking into a loudspeaker over the PA system So people just had to spend all day and night listening to him kind of rant about like his full Word now like my own personal hell So they were surrounded by jungle and armed guards so they'd like enough like nowhere to go So enter congressman Leo Ryan, so guy is he a good guy or bad guy

he's a good guy good i can't wait to hear all about him his name is leo and he was a congressman from the u.s and congressman leo really congressman leo's name was leo he was a congressman he worked in congress um so he heard kind of like these reports coming back that Jonestown was a little fishy and people, family members of the people who are there were like, can you please like go fucking check out what's happening to my sister-in-law or whatever. Right. So he was like, I'm going to go investigate. So he brought his advisor, an NBC film crew.

Good for him. I know. I know. And even relatives who wanted to come with and see, like, what was up with their family. Okay. Who were concerned. So he shows up and everything, like, looks okay. They put on this show for him and he's like, okay, it's not bad.

So he knew he was coming. He didn't just, like. Yeah, they knew he was coming. Okay. He just, like, communicated. I mean, I'm, like, a millennial. I don't understand how people communicated before cell phones. I think about that all the time.

I think about that all the time. Do you mail letters from, is there a post office in the jungle in guyana do you just you just hope someone air mails it one day yeah and it'll get to you in like a year i don't know maybe morse code yeah maybe well my thought that i had with my uber driver that i had a couple weeks ago. He, he, and I agree with him, he was like, like, what did the, what was the world like

before, like, we were the first generation that just started immediately independently on credit cards. Like, we never just carried around,

like, I carried around cash when I was like 14. Sure. But the second I fled the coop, I already had a credit card. Right. Same.

And, but before credit cards like people just what you just have wads of money or like did you just keep it in the bank you always had your checkbook on you i guess that's yes but i guess you did you were there 18 i mean you had atms we could have an atm if you don't have a card oh wait what debit card okay you don't have cards cards there's no cards allowed. All right, there's no cards. Okay. There's cash, and then there's hits. You hide your money under your mattress. There's cash. Because remember, people used to be like, cash or check?

That was... You know what I mean? I guess you literally just had a ton of checkbooks. I mean, I guess that's why our parents used to freak the fuck out if they were like, oh, I lost my checkbook. And to me, I'm like, cool. Like, I don't even... I've never touched one.

Like, sorry. Like, I use my checkbook once a month to sign away my rent. Oh, yeah. I've never needed it. Every time I write a check, I have to Google how to write a check because I forget because I only do it like once a year. Also, this is why our parents drink in case anyone was wondering. This is why our parents drink because they're-

This is the conversations we have. You know what I was asking earlier? Like, how did you disappoint your parents this week? Right. You just did. I did a thousand. I- Yeah. this week? Right. You just did. I did. I just take a sip. I just gotta go. Just drink straight

from the box. Hey, listen, at least I didn't murder a bunch of people, okay? That's true. Okay. Yeah. Take it away. Take it away before we embarrass ourselves. So, this guy... It'll happen. It's fine. It's only a matter of time. So this guy, this Congressman Leo, shows up and they're like, oh, everything's fine and happy and wonderful.

And they schedule this dance at the pavilion because there's a pavilion. And while he's there at this pavilion and thinking, okay, things aren't, I guess, as bad. Someone slips him a note and it has a list of names on it of people who want to leave. And he realizes that there are people there being held against their will. So he goes, okay, I got to fix this. So he makes this big announcement. He says, anyone that wants to leave Jonestown can come with me back to America.

Like, no harm, no foul. I'll take you back with me. And only a few people, like, I think it was a 20-something, said, okay, like, we want to leave. And he decided to go. Like, get me out. Right. And before that, you needed this guy, Jim Jones, permission to leave. So they were like, we want to leave. And they decided to go. Like, get me out. Right. And before that, you needed this guy, Jim Jones, permission to leave. So they were like, we want to go with you.

But everyone else was kind of too scared to go against. So there's probably more than 20. Their leader. Right. Okay. So they loaded these people up on a truck to the airport. So he was going to stay behind and make sure, like, no one else wanted to leave and everything was fine. But as they were getting ready to go, this guy runs up and grabs him and tries to slash his throat.

Oh, no. Surprise. Like, he was, like, basically, like, a... He was, like, a member and he was, I guess, brainwashed. Oh, he was, like, he was, like, one of the devout... Yes, exactly. And he was, like, you're screwing up our whole cult. Jonestowners.

Church. Exactly. Jonestownies, right? Wouldn't it be like a town're screwing up our whole cult. Jones Townies. Exactly. Jones Townies, right? Wouldn't it be like a townie? Like a townie. Yeah. We'll just give him a nickname so many decades after this happened. That's a cute nickname for someone who's trying to slash someone's throat. Jones Townie. So he was like,

I'm going to slash your throat, but he was tackled by a bunch of people and they were like, you can't fucking kill somebody. Right. A congressman. So this guy, Leo, was like, okay, I got to go. This is not a safe place. So he is like, I'm getting on this bus with you guys to the airport.

They get to the airport and their plane is delayed. They're waiting for their plane. Are they at an actual airport in the jungle? I think it's like an airstrip. Maybe. I don't know. There's a plane coming to get them, so. Okay, so probably like, just in like a blank part of the woods.

Sure, exactly. There's just like, some ground where a plane is gonna land. Alright. You know how planes work. You know how the jungle works. They just land in the jungle on their frickin' tarmacs. So he's like, they're waiting for their plane. Uh-huh. And all of a sudden, a

truck from Jonestown shows up. And these members have guns. Yeah. And they start shooting. No. And they killed a bunch of people. Not all of them. There were a couple of survivors, but most people were killed.

NBC, like a camera guy. They were so close. Like journalists. The congressman, Leo, unfortunately, was killed. No. Well, that probably actually helped the world when they were like, oh, you killed a congressman leo unfortunately was no well that probably actually helped the world when they were like oh you killed a congressman not quite because so as this is happening jim jones assembled everyone in the pavilion and he said you know what he's freaking out he's like

something is going to happen at the airport he He goes, I'm not behind it. The airport. Quote, unquote. The jungle airport. The jungle runway. Jungle airways. My milkshake is basically gone, by the way. I'm already stress eating about this. You're a little loose knit here. I know.

Let's go. So he says, there's going to be an attack at the airport. And he goes, I'm not behind it. Of course not. Right. But someone is going to attack this congressman. And do you know what will happen? When the U.S. finds out that their congressman was attacked, they're going to come down on us.

And they're going to torture us and kill us. And we've got to do something about it. Oh. So he found out then. Someone told him, yeah, Congressman Leah Ryan has been killed. And he started losing it. Oh. So he found out then, someone told him, like, yeah, Congressman Leah Ryan has been killed and he started losing it. Right. There's actually, creepily enough, there's like a tape of this.

Like an audio? Yeah. So there's a tape of him explaining to everyone. I know. It's really fucked up. I'm going to have to look through that. It's really scary. So he says, the group has no choice but to commit a

revolutionary act quote-unquote he said it is not suicide it is a revolutionary act um and he says you know we gotta end our lives here he says if if the u.s comes in if like he kept calling them them like if they come right to me Like the us. The us and them. The dehumanizing. Right, right, right. Making them an out group. Yeah. And he said they're going to come in and torture our babies and kill us.

Right. He's saying this is like a better. Right. Like get out now before we find out how bad it gets. Exactly. So there's this one woman. Her name's Christine Miller. She has the same name as me.

And also she has the same birthday as me. Which, did you research her specifically? I looked her up. Yeah, because she was the one who said, no, we're not doing this. So she was like the Rosa. She was great. She was this African-American senior who had come on board with his group, and she went down with him, and she, apparently there was a history of her just like speaking

her mind which no one else right and no one else was allowed to do this and no one else was allowed like she was allowed or she just did it and like he didn't like there were people like she was known to be like just like right she spoke her mind and like other people who were troublesome were put in sensory deprivation boxes. They were drugged in the medical unit. Oh no. Some people were threatened to be shot on the spot and buried in the jungle. So she was going against everything. She's brave as shit.

If someone was like, oh, we could just shoot you in the head. I'd be like, my mouth is short. Exactly. And there was a time when he actually held a gun to her head and she said, shoot me, but you'll have to respect me first. And I guess she said that three times and finally he backed down. So this lady's a fucking badass.

Oh my God. And my name's in. Where is she today? Well, she was like 70 when this happened. Okay. So she's about a million years old. She's dead. But I just feel like she's my namesake.

And mom and dad, I know you didn't date me after her, but I'm just going to pretend you did. Wow. I don't have a namesake. That's cool. And we had the same birthday. I feel like it's really fitting. Or really. Or just like not fitting.

And I just wish it were fitting. Or destined. Let's just say destined. Well, I hope not because her fate was not really great. So she said. Eventually she stood up one too many times. Well, yes. So she said she fought back.

And there's a tape of this, too. And it's in the transcript. And she said, you know, what about the children? And he said, if they were left behind, they'd be tortured and killed. And it's just not safe. And she said, like, we can't kill the children. And he was like, you're wrong. Like, this is part of our belief system.

And she tried to use his own beliefs against him, but he just was not having it. Good girl. Not having it. So finally the crowd actually turned on her and was like, you're done. And so like came in and he said, okay, leave her alone. But like, this is still happening. So she kind of gave up because she had nothing like no, I mean, there were a thousand people there or whatever, but nobody was going to be on her side.

At this point, did she just know she was going to die? Yeah. So, I mean, again, speaking of drink the Kool-Aid, they brought out large vats. It was actually Flavor-Aid, not Kool-Aid, off-brand. Guess they got it from the Dollar Tree. They couldn't even spring for the name brand. God forbid. Flavor-Aid.

Laced with cyanide. It's got flavor. That's kind of a fucking question. I imagine it's grape. I always imagine. I always think cherry. I mean, it has a better flavor. Because the Kool-Aid man, well, Grant is his flavor aid, so who knows what his

cousin is up to. But every time you see the Kool-Aid guy, he's red. So I just assume all Kool-Aid in general is red. That's a really good point. But maybe their branding had to like move well maybe flavor is always purple it doesn't really matter i'm really interested to know but i mean there's no i always assume it's either cherry grape or then like that blue tropical fruit raspberry right right if they had that in like the 70s i don't know but yeah so anyway they

brought out these large hats of flavor aid laced with cyanide and valium and i'm like where are they getting enough volume valium you can afford volume for thousands of people but thousands or hundreds like a thousand enough can you imagine getting a dosage of volume strong enough to kill you for a thousand people but you're gonna go for flavoring men women and children right well and god forbid and cyanide like where are they getting this and the other crazy thing is that they had practiced drills before like they had done this many times so it's unclear whether people there knew this was it that's a great point they didn't even realize they had done drills where he said like this is what happened like and then 45 minutes in he would say it's just a drill there's no cyanide in your kool-aid whatever

so they've done this before several times so nobody knows if they even knew they were about to die well i know i feel like i mean if you're doing drills like no one's doing drills to drink kool-aid in a in an emergency you know if you like jumped into a jungle and they were like here's here's your drill like we gotta practice this at the worst case scenario this is what we're gonna do and they just brought out vats of poison free kool-aid but they would do that like he would wake him up at like three in the morning and be like they're coming for us they're coming for us everyone drink it and they would drink it and feed it to their children yeah but like what their children like yes i i get that but like they had to know that that oh that it was coming yeah oh yeah like

well they had to know that like that plan was so they could kill exactly well and then like you don't just think the people are coming let's have a fucking rager with flavor exactly and feed it to our infants yeah well but the thing was like people were dying there was a thousand people so people were dying as people were in line to get their so eventually you know um i don't mean to keep interrupting you no please do except my favorite thing to do is speak over you so i need to do it um no i so i watched a documentary on this before i wasn't really paying attention The only thing I remember is the end, because that was what I heard about. Kind of important.

Yeah. But you're probably going to get into this, but they weren't just drinking it. Did you know about this? I don't. I'm about to, like, drop some shit on you. Some knowledge. No, so the people who i guess like christine miller who did like centers the people who like were part of the resistance essentially they're like

i don't want to die they were then grabbing them out of the line holding them out and injecting it into them oh i heard that i heard that was a theory no that's so i don't know if it's a in the in the documentary it happened and by documentary it was one of those like um like a reenactment movie yeah it wasn't really a documentary it was like they made a movie about it and there was a giant scene where they had like mothers who didn't want their kids to die they were ripping the kids away and then the mom had to watch the kid drink it and then they held her down and injected her. That was the part that... I do know they made the dissenters go first because they... And they also had armed guards with guns, so they were like,

you either do it or we'll shoot you. But they said... And there were actually a couple of people who escaped, but I don't know much about that. But they kind of reported... But I mean a couple, as in like two or three. But they actually... The children, they took syringes and poured it into their mouths because like like a baby who can't right because

they couldn't drink so they put something in their mouth they're gonna drink it and so they did the they did the dissenters first because they were like we got to get rid of them before that's so sad and so they died and then all the believers quote unquote went afterwards so it was because you could trust that they were going to do it. You know, I wonder, like, I understand that there were some who were so brainwashed that they were like proud to do it at the end. And there were some people who from the beginning didn't want to do it and were forced to. But I'm curious about that middle ground of people who they were total believers until this day.

And they were like, no like children are dying they're like i gotta do what literally pouring poison cyanide into infants like maybe i i wonder how they felt like because that's just like that's that's an instant realization that you can't fix right it's like done oh this isn't a rumor. This is how this is happening. And every, 912 people were killed that day, including 276 children. 276 children. That's awful. Almost a third.

And so, the Jones, like, Jim Jones himself was actually killed by a single gunshot wound, and no one knows if it was self-inflicted or if someone, like, no one knows. I mean, presumably The mean presumably i watched he killed himself presumably they say like he probably killed himself but there's no way to know because literally everyone was dead so they actually brought the air force in with crews to tag and clear the bodies 900 they came in and they

literally just saw a field of 912 dead people where's your dog dog? There's my dog. His name is Gio. I think he probably just imagined seeing a field of 900 bodies. He needs a lot of attention. That's horrible. I mean, I couldn't imagine walking onto a jungle with 900. Terrifying. That's going to scar you for life. Is that the end of that story?

Yeah. I mean, literally, they just drank the fucking flavorade which i'm gonna say now instead of kool-aid and i'm gonna tell everyone that it's accurate i feel like i'd be i mean this is not their first thought but my thought is if i have to go i don't want the last thing i drink to be flavored it is sad right like at least give me like a glass of wine like the value i'm so clutching put some valium in my wine and i'll be that's a typical tuesday It is sad, right? Like, at least give me, like, a glass of wine. Or, like, the Valium on you. So clutching. Like, put some Valium in my wine and I'll be... That's a typical Tuesday for you.

Might as well be. Do a Meryl Jonestown massacre. So, do we know anything that happened afterwards? So, there was one lady in the U.S. who was a member who didn't make it down there. And she still, till the day she died, said, I wish I had been there with my colleagues to commit suicide with them and said no I mean she was the only known case who said I should have like she was jealous they yeah like I should have been there she alone is the reason I drink exactly well anyway is that why you drink that is literally why I drank that's probably why you were drinking last night when you did this research.

You're like, oh, they just inject flavorade with cyanide into it. Gulp, gulp, gulp. Into little children. If I ever need a reason to drink, that's it. You know, the main reason I wanted to do this podcast is because we both, without the microphones, talk about just how messed up the world is. It's so messed up. So I'm glad that we now have a reason to drink publicly.

Yeah, we can. Instead of just doing this in the shadows. This is just us making an excuse for why we drink milkshakes and wine on a regular basis. So anyone listening, hi, Mom. Hey, Daddy. Hi, our two fans. Hey, Daddy. Hi, our two fans.

We chose to do this and name it And That's Why I Drink purely because all we talk about are stories like this. And at the end, we realize that our milkshakes and bottles of wine are empty. So this must be why we drink. It's the trigger. It's the sauce. I just can't get out of it. Well, that was a great story that was now that it's now that the damage is done how do you think your parents will respond to this since we just we talked about other people's misery let's hear

what do you think the first phone call after listening to this podcast will be I think I'll get one because I don't think I'll be thrilled. The first thing my mother will do, she's really good at doing the three-point argument thing. Well, she speaks for a living. She goes on stage and just says whatever she wants, and people have to listen to her. That's a dream job. Except it's about financial retirement. Oh, yeah. Not my favorite topic.

Not quite. But so she's really good after 30 years of doing it. How to, you know, form an opinion and do it as, like, politely as possible. She's going to critique. Right. The first thing she's going to do is be like, I want to start with something good. Because her thing is always give two positives and a negative. Do a positive first, then a negative, and then end on a high note so they forget the

increase. Yeah, you do the valley. Right, right, right. She will be like, I thought you did a great job. I don't know, Christine. I love Christine, though. I think she did a great job, too. I love you, too.

She is going to be like, I noticed there was some swearing. And you need to remember that this is something everyone's listening to. Yes, my parents are not going to be into that part. And I'm going to say, I don't fucking care. I was not allowed to say crap when I was little. I remember the day I was allowed to start saying crap. I was 10 years old, and I said crap probably 50 times in one day. Your parents were like, you are now allowed.

Like, when you turn 10 yeah my stamp of approval no i said it and then i looked at them and it was the first time they didn't react and i was like i guess we're i guess we're in this for the long haul now my mom's rule is i could start swearing once i got to high school which also i know my mother well enough to know that she has she's already we haven't even put this on the air yet, and she's already promoted it, probably to her mother. So now my grandmother is hearing some insider. Oh, my grandma. She's also not happy.

My grandmas are for sure not listening to this. My grandma is going to tell me that ladies don't swear, especially on the air. And I'm going to say sorry. But I'm not going to say sorry. She, I don't know. She's going to be proud, but she's, she's going to pick who she shows this to. My parents are going to be really worried about my mental health, but I feel like that's valid. My mother's aware of my mental health and the fact that it's steadily declining.

It's about time they figure it out. Well, I think it's going to go well. I think hopefully a friend listens to this one day and then at least pretends to have liked it. So I can be like, wow, neat. Oh, today at Starbucks when I was doing all my research, I was sitting next to a girl. And I was praised about the Winchester house. Like I was writing. I brought two different notebooks. And I brought this little notepad.

My handy dandy notebook. And I had them all sprawled out on a table and looked like I was figuring out a true crime. I had, like, numbers and symbols

and I just looked like a lunatic and I had, like, my headphones on listening to music and so I couldn't hear her but she was, when she, like,

tapped me on the shoulder I, like, probably, like, darted at her. Like, I darted at her like i just like looked like crazed like she had interrupted me in like the peak of my like what i was about to figure out and um i guess she had been like watching me research like all these weird like murders and like paranormal things and i was like oh i'm busted like she's gonna think i'm the weirdest person on earth and uh she ended up being like why are you looking at that like i've been to that house before and i was like, oh, I'm busted. Like she's going to think I'm the weirdest person on earth. And, uh, she ended up being like, why are you looking at that? Like I've been to that house before. And I was like, oh, we're starting a podcast and I'm going to, we're going to talk about it on the podcast. And she was like, wow, what's your podcast. So we have shut up. We have a listener like a stranger who, oh my gosh. I know. So thank you woman from Starbucks. We love

you. And also we should probably make business cards so we can just force people to Google us. I mean, we should make business cards just so we can shove them into people's hands. Well, that also. And I feel like at this point I should mention again that our podcast is called And That's Why We Drink. Yeah. In case you forgot. Yeah. That being said, I'm glad we drank. yeah we i wouldn't have gone through those stories

without that no exactly a nice cup of ice it's like we want to talk about these things but like you can't do it without just some like a crutch like a right something to keep you going um well good i help other people drink along yeah oh yeah Oh, yeah. We really encourage that. But don't drive afterward unless you're drinking a milkshake. Then you can drive wherever you want. If you're Team M,

you can drive with a milkshake. Yeah, Team M. If you're Team Christine and you're, like, falling over. If you're Team Christine, you're probably

lactose intolerant. If you're Team Christine, you're probably already halfway through your box of wine. You're asleep by now. It's okay. If you want, you can find us on Twitter.

Yeah, or Facebook. Yeah, or email. And we have an email address, too, for you to send us your stories. Right. About any paranormal experiences you've had. Because eventually I want to get into not just talking about famous hauntings. Right. I want people to.

I think that's always more interesting. Those are the best ones so if you have a story about maybe being a murderer maybe being murdered i mean i want to discover if you almost didn't make it and you have a story or if you're murdered and you're a ghost there's a lot of like if wow i know that would be probably our number one both our faces if you've ever been in a haunted house and had a cool story, if you've ever been anywhere, anywhere at all in the world, if you've been on Earth and had a haunting, or you've been part of a conspiracy, or if you have any cool story relating to the paranormal or true crime, please write in.

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Okay. Well, with that. That was a nice podcast. That was fun. All right. Okay. Well, with that, that was a nice podcast. That was fun. All right. I guess we're going to make another one of these puppies one day for you to listen to.

So stay tuned for episode two. Bye. And that's why we drink.