And That's Why We Drink - E102 Quantum Madness and an Abundance of Icicles

Episode Date: January 13, 2019

Helicopters are swarming the studio for this one, folks, because we're on a huge conspiracy theory kick this week! Em brings us the first in their two part series on time travel and Project Pegasus! Meanwhile Christine covers the incredibly creepy story of the Weepy-Voiced Killer, Paul Michael Stephani. We're also talking unique Christmas gifts and things we probably shouldn't have googled on airplanes... and that's why we drink!Please consider supporting the companies that support us!Visit Ritual.com/drink to start your Ritual subscription today!Get a 4-week trial, free postage and a digital scale when you go to Stamps.com, click on the microphone at the top of the page and enter code DRINKTry Zip Recruiter for free when you go to ziprecruiter.com/drinkGet $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more when you visit article.com/drink

hey hello it's been a while the end now goodbye yes it has been a while i haven't seen you in a whole month it seems that's right it's been a time. I've not seen you since 2018. No. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. How was your holiday season? It was good. I went home to Virginia and visited some friends and had a couple parties, which was very fun. Nice. And then I spent a week in the Poconos with Allison's family. Fun. And I got to hang out with all of them, which is nice because now

I actually know all of her immediate family. I'd only met her parents and her sister, but not her brother. And so now I know the whole gang. Nice. And I got the brother's seal of approval, which feels good. That does feel good. And they're big fans of the show actually. Her brother and his girlfriend, Ashley.

Hi, Andy and Ashley. Andy and Ashley, yeah. But they're big fans. So I'm glad I got to meet them. That makes me happy. Um, what did you do while I was gone? You just sat there and waited for me to come back. I cried. Stared out the window.

Cried every day. Um, I went back to Cincinnati. It was really fun. Um, it was a lot. Uh, Blaze flew in, um, Alexander and his girlfriend were there. We had a lot of fun. Um, we've got some, I just wrote a little list Blaze flew in. Alexander and his girlfriend were there. We had a lot of fun. I just wrote a little list, I guess. I don't even remember

writing these notes. A little list of some things I got from my parents. Oh, for Christmas. Yeah, my dad and somehow are notoriously strange gift givers. Right, right, right. No offense, Dad. I found out he listens to the first 20 minutes. So I got a set of russian nesting

dolls oh well i'm not surprised i got a cd of monks playing the banjo that i'm surprised by got a cheese grater okay um and then a bunch of other like a sticker remover like a little scraper to remove sticker just a lot of random things where are these things purchased or found in their homes that they didn't want anymore? Valid question. Most of those were from my stepmom. I think she went to the hardware store. Okay. I'm not sure where the Russian dolls came from, though. Maybe a very specific hardware store.

Maybe. I got a... My mom got me a lot of stuff for the house. Oh, that's fun. Well, new apartment. And she got me a roomba oh shit yeah i'm very impressed i'm so jealous and then she also got me i demanded um some of the hue lights that work with alexa oh so don't set it off i don't know she's not in here right now um

but yeah so i got a couple of those. I love a good lighting in our room. Yes, important, important. Yeah, I also got some jacket. A jacket I liked, some shoes I liked. A bunch of good stuff. I also want to add I got a lot of nice, really fun, awesome gifts too. I was just calling out the funny random ones. I wish you wouldn't say that. I just want you to hear that.

Well, I don't want my parents to feel bad. I felt bad because Tom tried really hard to get me these shoes that I would like. And he got me the brand that I love. Skechers? Crocs? Keds, okay? No. Keds are cool again.

No, he, I won't say the company, but there's a brand that I really like. And when I opened the, when I took off the wrapping paper, the shoe box said the brand. And so I was really stoked. And I was like, wow, these are awesome. I can already tell like, I'm going to love these.

Oh no. And then I opened the box and I was like, oh no, these are not good. And I, poor Tom, he was so stoked that he picked something I loved. And I was like,

you were so close, man. You can turn them right. Well, I, I had to be an ass and I was like, look, I kind of leave tomorrow so i just

have to be up front i don't like them but his son actually really liked them so good okay well i also got some really great gifts i don't want to be a jerk i got my parents were very good to us did blaze get you anything yeah i got a gift from blaze and it i'm very excited about it so i want to bring it up real quick it he got he knew i've always wanted to go to new orleans and since it wasn't on our tour schedule he got me a trip to new orleans wow and booked the flight and everything and it's um on one of the weekends we have off nice super happy and it's like he said it's like a haunted new orleans trip so we're staying in haunted hotel shut up and doing a bunch of like ghost tours alison are you listening i'm so excited that sounds i sounds so fun.

I cried. I was so happy. And it was just really thoughtful. And I was not expecting it at all. So I just, I'm really. And then he got me also this thing that you put in wine and it like ages the wine. Ooh. Like weird.

I don't know. I haven't tried it yet. Like a time machine. Yeah. Very cool. Anyway, so I'm very happy about that. Stay tuned as I research a bunch of haunted stuff in New Orleans and and book you can go to the lori house i probably will um while we're at it should we should we mention shows that are currently coming up that's on here too um happy 2019 we're about to

go on a crazy tour uh there's a bajillion things happening um a few cities only have some tickets left some have even a couple of vip tickets left like which have meet and greets with us um so go get them uh go to and that's where you drink dot com slash live uh and there's a lot of cities left with tickets still available so cool if you want to come see us particularly uh the wilbur in boston i'm still very gung-ho about getting that sold out we only have a few tickets left. We really don't have many. We don't have 50, maybe 50 tickets. Maybe 50, but I am like dead set on there being none available come showtime.

So please, please, please, if you know anyone in Boston that wants to come, it means a lot. But it was where we met and it's going to be a big hometown thing. And I think the only other thing I was going to say is, oh, our second Houston show, like which comes out literally this week after this episode airs. We added a second Houston show on the 17th at night on Thursday night. And we are really looking for people to show up to that because as it was the second show, there are still quite a few tickets left. It might be a very personal show. There might be not too many people there. You may actually get spit on by one of us that's fine we maybe we'll all just like sit in a circle and we'll just like do a little report for you it's gonna be a very intimate show because uh yeah that's

how many people are currently signed up for that one but it's okay and we decided we're doing for now two separate shows for that day so if you're going to the first houston show feel free to come to the second yep you'll hear a different story whether we like it or not all right that being said yes oh also sorry i put pony in the middle of our story last week in the middle of the oh yeah i saw that i added the ads later and then i forgot to remove to move this underlying track the pony song was supposed to play at the end and then all of a sudden in the middle of me telling a murder story pony starts playing maybe that's just what we should do from now on though just really live in the mood so i want to apologize for that but thank you for showing it out uh yeah

telling me about it no it was not you i know i'm just saying on behalf of them okay you're fine don't worry it's fine i'm not used to this anymore i know usually eva pours your wine for you my no i'm just kidding i was gonna say usually i force wine on that poor girl and she's like please stop i am trying to work yeah and christina has to drink alone today myself i'm sweating already are you yeah why i'm anxious about the show this i don't know the live tour that's having to be on stage that too but this mostly right now i don't know why i'm just because we're it's new again are you really nervous to talk that's so that's so nice i feel like i haven't been funny at all oh okay be funny no i'm just okay i just flew in from cincinnati and boy are my arms tired isn't that a fun little thing when

people are like okay be funny it's like uh that happened in belize all our tour guides were like oh you work in comedy tell me a joke right and i'm like halfway up a mountain looking for jaguars that we're gonna you're like this is the joke i was like my spinal cord might be ripped out any moment please don't ask me to be funny speaking of spinal cords let me tell you the story about my spinal tap yeah yeah that's hilarious isn't it um or i'm sorry 32 spinal taps was that what that was yum so kill me okay so this story i originally i don't know how to get into this one i'm very stoked about it like very very stoked yeah you seem really excited and this is a story that i have wanted to do since we actually began this podcast, which there aren't many left that I get excited because it's been a while. Well, I always say I'm going to do this one. Or I always say like, Okay, well, at least I've got that story because I know it really well. And, you know, I could always just like bullshit it if I needed to. But I was like, this is one of my favorite stories. I I want to like really like take the time to learn as much as I can about it I had 45 pages of a word document

of notes for this somehow broke it down to relatively short enough and um can I guess it yeah you're not gonna get it is it like Gettysburg no although Gettysburg's involved okay but not in the way you just said I know it really well, so I was thinking like colonial Williamsburg area. Oh, I hear you. No, no, no. Good guess, though. Okay, I don't know. So this isn't a ghost.

Oh. This is a conspiracy theory. Oh, hell yes. I love conspiracy. Oh! Do you know it? I think I know what it is. What is it?

Is it MKUltra? No. No, but that's another one that I really want to do. Because you mentioned it earlier, and I was like, I wonder if you mentioned it because it was on your brain. I mentioned something earlier and i was like i wonder if you mentioned it because it's on your brain i mentioned something earlier no it's not tesla is it tesla's involved what that's why time travel yeah shut the front door so earlier today christine like randomly shouted the word tesla and i was like did i mention my story in front of you wow it's like we're actually psychic we are a little i mean to be fair i brought it up because in like

episode seven or something, I said, oh, I remember that guy. And then Em was like, no. And then 25 minutes later, I screamed Tesla. So I did it today as a joke. And I was like, I don't get it. Yeah, I tried to play dumb while also trying to think in my own brain if I had said something that like.

I think psychically you were speaking to me. Okay, so this is actually the story that really, really got me into conspiracy theories back in like high school. Oh my God. I am so ready. I'm truly, I've. You guys, if we disappear after this. This is, there's a hundred and a hundred episodes ago, I wanted to do this story and I've just

never really sat down and tried to get as much. Should we turn all our technology off? I'm nervous that we're going to like. They're already listening. It's fine. I've said enough to get on a blacklist somewhere. Well, so here's the next part because I want to do it justice. And because there's so much to cover, this is going to be my first two part get out story installment.

Yeah. So this is the first episode. Oh my God. I'm so we've never done that. No two parter. We've never done a two parter, but so spoiler alert for next week, guys, it's going to be the second part of the story. I'm sweating. And I feel bad about that because I know next week is our anniversary or our conception. The conception. The conception of the show. And I wanted to do something else. But the story is just really good.

And the good luck is that I wanted to do something else. And then I ran out of time. So I pushed it back. So we both so mistakenly I wanted to do something special but you're just gonna get the second part of our first two-part series sounds pretty special to me so this is my personal favorite conspiracy theory you can make fun of it all you want but I like to pretend that it's possible because I'm a very big believer that time travel already exists I am I think I knew this was coming because I'm sweating so much I'm so excited right it was you being already exists. I am. I think I knew this was coming because I'm sweating so much. I'm so excited right now.

It was you being psychic. You knew to be nervous. I think I knew it. I'm a very big believer, just so we go into this with all awareness, that time travel does exist. The government is hiding that shit. I think there's a whole lot of science out there that they don't want us to know just yet. And whether or not it's being used, it's at least available somewhere to someone.

Also, if you're tuning in for the first time, good luck to you. Maybe start in the episode where I shouted Tesla and we dropped it. Yeah. Or start here. We'll see. This is the conspiracy theory of Project Pegasus. What the fuck is that? We're going to get.

There's a lot to unpack here. If my phone starts like flashing i'm freaking out already oh i'm ready kind of i kind of want it i kind of want to be ready i think i think there's i think they're we're all bugged oh a thousand percent guys don't get me started on conspiracy theories because everyone is listening to everything and you're literally just starting a conspiracy theory right now i'm not starting anything new though i mean sure moving on moving on moving on let's just let's focus on one at a time one crisis at a time guys okay so project pegasus i tried to break this down into as consistent notes as possible because it really is just a mess so i let's just see how this goes

great so buckle up everybody the main character in our story his name is andrew basiago okay andrew basiago and he is a leading figure in the truth movement oh and the truth movement is a campaign to lobby the government to disclose classified information that they have that's being kept from the public currently that includes the existence of teleportation time travel and government relationships with extraterrestrials yes oh! Oh, this is my shit. So his big thing is that, and he's in charge of the truth movement, so he wants them to declassify all this stuff and admit that it all exists. This is my jam.

So, this all started in 2004, when he became an official government whistleblower and announced that from 1968 to 1972, from the ages of 7 to 12 he was a participant of the project pegasus program um and he was saying this is how i know that the basically he was part of it why should we believe you during this truth movement that you know all this stuff is real and he came out and said because i was a part of this project as a child and project pegasus was run by DARPA so DARPA is the defense advanced research projects agency okay so it's the agency that still exists and it was originally at the time called ARPA they recently put the d in the front I think DARPA sounds better I think defense should be a word involved where should we put that so DARPA uh still exists and it is the agency

responsible for handling all United States defense technology where they research develop and integrate advanced technology into U.S. military weapons um they are also in charge of spy and operative defense testing so there was that story a while back I don't know if it was a conspiracy theory or what but one of the things that DARPA was involved in was putting surveillance cameras on the backs of bumblebees. What? So that bees would find they could get as much surveillance as possible. Bumblebees? Yeah.

I guess they're the fattest of the bees. I guess so. And the speediest, maybe. Well, I think they're the most likely to give you motion sickness if you're watching a camera. Oh, true. I didn't even think of that. They're not very direct flyers. But so they basically, they're the team that all of their projects are always classified,

but they pretty much... Oh, sorry. I hear a little caller. That's Olive. They're always classified, but they pretty much try any version of technology on any version of what could be considered a weapon. Yeah. Even a bumblebee.

You know what? Bumblebee is a transformer, so there are mass Yeah. Even a bumblebee. You know what? Bumblebee is a transformer, so there are mass weapons out there called bumblebee. Fair point, I think. But so it originally started as a response to the Sputnik program. Okay. They also created ARPANET, which was the beginning of the internet. Yes. So they create crazy technological advancements.

Right. So they're not just like sitting around like no they're like they're actually real deal working on stuff yeah and basiago says that they have actually done much more in technological advancements than they have ever publicly stated and by the 1970s darpa had achieved teleportation based time travel oh shit as well as an advanced quantum access to see past and future events what okay wow so um so a project pegasus itself is a classified government defense program which resulted in successful teleportation and time travel under both darpa and the air force and it combined people from the military, the CIA, and civilian defense contractors

all under the Department of Defense. And their mission is to, basically the whole point of Project Pegasus, after time travel, is to relay important information about past and future events to the U.S. President, the intelligence community, and the military. Stop it. Oh my god, that's terrifying. The mission was also to study the effects of time travel and teleportation on children.

What? To contact future presidents, to teleport to Mars and to maintain a relationship with extraterrestrials. Wait, so are those separate or are you saying the children are going to Mars and talking to extra extraterrestrials? Hang in there. No,

no. Where are you? The sentence itself. Was there a comma? Yes. No, either. What? Okay. extraterrestrials hang in there no no where are you the sentence itself was there a comma yes no either what okay so eventually it becomes i see it merges yeah okay eventually it becomes a combination i'm just picturing like trump in the oval office and like a small child just kind of like um i've come from mars okay got it i'm just understanding. The thing is, like, it's, I think they started the mission as, just hang in there. So.

I can't. Oh my God. So it was to study the effects of time travel. Right. To study the effects of teleportation. Uh-huh. To study the effects also on children. Comma.

Comma to contact future presidents. I got it, okay. Comma to teleport to Mars. Comma to maintain a relationship with extraterrestrials. I thought it was. Slash involving children later on. I see. I thought it was to study the effects of children communicating with the president.

And I was like, well, that is its own, its own history lesson. That's like a psychology thing all at the same time. So the final goal, the ultimate point of this was to one day be able to transport the president and his family in urgent situations, which was important during this time because right around Sputnik and then the cold war. Got it. So they, this was like a crucial investment of their scientific capabilities and all

that. So, um, he has released, Andrew Basiago has said that in 1947, um, teleportation research and development was in the works by members of the Manhattan project,

which is its own wild story that I will table for another episode one day. And so members of the Manhattan Project and also members of, quote, War Department special employees, which were German scientists from top secret Operation Paperclip, which is another whole other wild conspiracy. Basically, Operation Paperclip is that Americans brought Nazi scientists over. Oh, okay. Have you heard about that one? Yes, that's a good one. So people, it's not a good No, it's not a good one. But it gets you good. I understand. But so people from the Manhattan Project and people from Operation Paperclip were originally people involved in the first research about teleportation in 19 in the 1940s okay so then in 1958 during the eisenhower administration with nixon as vice president uh nasa and darpa were both established okay so that was the beginning of all these classified projects under one department. Like, uh, formally created under one umbrella. Okay. And during this time, the teleportation designs were a classified project under the Air Force.

And after Kennedy's assassination, the Air Force launched Project Pegasus, put it under DARPA's name, and started testing teleportation jump tests, which apparently became successful in 1964. Oh my God. So as of 1964, supposedly, teleportation has existed successfully. According to Andrew Basiaga. Basiaga, okay. So after Kennedy's assassination was when they had their first successful teleportation jump room. Okay. Under the Nixon administration, Pegasusgasus product pegasus had several successful

human teleportations and it eventually evolved into testing time travel by the 70s this is the most 70s thing i ever did here i know like nothing surprises me anymore about the government in the 70s nothing nothing right you can tell me anything and i'd be like sure yeah makes sense so back to Andrew. Yeah. That was just like kind of some information about where it generated from. So back to Andrew. He confirms that the technology for teleporting and time travel started back around the 1940s,

around 1943 specifically during the Philadelphia experiment, which is another wild story I could table. Yeah. You need to stop worrying about having enough episodes well i listen i could make this the next hundred years or the hundred years whoa hundred episodes about uh conspiracy theories probably but i guess you're right we are technically a haunting show sure so uh so he confirms the technology's been around since at least the philadelphia experiment and during the early research of teleporting um i guess back when they first really started it was still very misunderstood and dangerous and they ended up tabling it so that later they could get back to it with better

knowledge and okay really look into teleporting um so one of the first companies to take on research and development of teleportinging once they decided that they were going to get back into really looking into it. There was a company called the Ralph Parsons Company. And they were the first company to take time to research and develop for DARPA and for the CIA. And they cooperated with both of those companies. and although they can't actually say that out loud, there are apparently records that say that the Parsons company was a civil contractor with the CIA and with DARPA, and they happen to be an engineering company. And so it's kind of assumed that they were probably the first to be asked to be given the task of really looking into if teleporting was possible. Okay. So in Basiago's affidavit, by 1967, teleporting was, quote,

fully operational in the secret realms of the U.S. defense technical community. Jesus. By what year? Sorry. 1967. Okay. He also said that children participants experienced up to eight different time travel technologies. So there were eight different methods that they tried to get into time travel. I like how they're like, let's try it on children. Well, I'll explain that in a second.

Okay, good, because I have a lot of questions. So they experienced up to eight different methods of time travel during their time in the program. And in 1967 was when Basiago was inducted into the Project Pegasus program by his father, and he was the first American child to teleport. Supposedly the first American child. And he didn't even get a trophy or anything. No, and he was six. That's not fair. So his first experience with time travel slash teleporting was originally just teleporting, because that was what the project originally started as. It was just teleporting and eventually morphed into time travel. So his first experience was in the late

60s when he was six years old. And it was in his first jump room that he experienced. Oh my god. So how was he picked to be recruited into this project? You're probably wondering. Absolutely. As a six year old. So as I mentioned earlier, the Ralph Parsons company was involved in the early research for DARPA. Right. so parsons was a company that provided engineering and design for military aircrafts missiles and rockets and was involved in many classified department of defense projects such as developing silos to place u.s strategic nuclear missiles so like they're really intense yeah i'm not fucking around and definitely have a lot of top clearance. Oh, yeah. They also hold contracts for chemical and nuclear jet propulsion facilities. Great.

And their clients include BP, Exxon, NASA, and the Army. That's terrifying. So not surprising it was chosen to spearhead the development of Project Pegasus. Makes sense. And the special projects engineer that worked on the project happened to be Raymond Basiago, Andrew's father. I had a feeling we were getting there. Nepotism. So...

Son, why don't you climb into the... Listen, if your dad is an engineer, maybe you'll be the first time traveler. Oh my God. My dad is an engineer. Oh, are you... Did you time travel here? Maybe I did. So in his also signed affidavit, andrew tried to look into his father's relationship

later on i'll i'll get into his actual jump experience but i want to give you some information about his dad real quick okay so his dad was involved somehow with project pegasus and his name was raymond his name was raymond okay and and so andrew tried looking later into his father's relationship with the CIA to see, like, how he was involved. And this is something from his affidavit. A quote. During his 18 years of employment with the Parsons Corporation while working on presumably conventional engineering projects, my father was also secretly employed as the technical liaison between Parsons and the CIA on the theory and practice of teleportation. Stop it. Can you imagine that being on your resume? Like, holy shit. Um, also a quote

from him. When I inquired of my father's employment status with the CIA 10 years ago, I was told by the CIA that they could not release information to the family members of living or deceased CIA personnel. So that's how it was confirmed for him. Cause he didn't even know. He just went to go see if his, I see. Oh, okay. He just wanted to see if his dad was even part of the CIA.

And they were like, Oh, we have files, but we can't show you. Yeah. They were like, well, we can't tell family members.

That literally answers his question. And whether or not he was a CIA agent, his relationship with DARPA, the CIA, USA military, and USA intelligence agencies was enough for him to be listed in the database. Okay. So it doesn't confirm that he was a spy or anything, but he definitely had top clearance and was known.

There was a relation somewhere. Right. So now you have that background, and he was clearly the special projects engineer for them. And then there's an opportunity for a child to tell it be teleported and he was like i know just the guy so he's like my kid didn't join the soccer team this year look at an extracurricular forum so andrew remembers his father bringing him to curtis wright aeronautical in woodbridge new jersey and they went to building 68 he has a lot of information he really like tries to get this as detailed as possible yeah um he remembers his dad showing credentials to the people there and his dad told the technician

to turn on the machine in building 68 the machine when turned on uh andrew saw a screen with static watery energy okay come out of the machine yeah his father then told him to hold his hand and let him know that they were going to jump in oh together together okay can you imagine still like being a child and seeing like some static water willy wonka so he remembers jumping in and all he saw was a blue and white tunnel of light and after a few seconds they were in mexico at the capitol building stop it that's not where i expected that to go they were in mexico they started like new mexico oh you said mexico sorry my bad i got excited it was like intercontinental like shit they crossed the wall the big big wall so they no they went to new mexico they ended up at the capitol building of

new mexico okay fun fact um later in life there was a woman who kind of got shushed away by either the media or maybe the media that was being ran by the government media wink wink media wink wink got it um there was at one point i think in the 90s there was a woman that had been like telling people and trying to like publicly announce that near the new mexico capital building something weird was going on because she very often saw several people materializing at the capital building stop it and all of a sudden that news never really became a big thing she became a crazy person right nobody listened to exactly so basiago has actually talked about her and corroborates that the new me Mexico Capitol building is a common location involved in the program.

That's so random. I guess there's like Roswell and everything. Maybe that's why. Maybe they're related because if they're also working with extraterrestrial stuff. Right. I didn't even put that together. I just got chills. You just rocked my socks.

We're breaking the case. Can you imagine if Project Pegasus and Roswell were the same? Oh, okay. i keep seeing like helicopters outside and i'm like oh my god we're absolutely they're gonna surround the house so once they got to new mexico they drove to the los alamos lab to meet dr agnew and he when he got there he saw an identical machine to the one that he had jumped into in new jersey okay so he was like okay that's another another jump room thing yeah dr agnew it's important to know um so this is the guy that they were driving to go meet once they got to new

mexico dr agnew is also known for his involvement in observing the hiroshima bombing mission oh and the castle Castle Bravo nuclear testing. Oh. He was also a Democratic state senator for New Mexico and a scientific advisor to NATO. Holy shit. He also worked with the physicists that not only worked on the particle accelerator, but he was known as the father of the atomic bomb for his role in the Manhattan Project. Okay.

So this is a big guy. I've definitely learned about him yeah so he's like this isn't someone you're just like meeting for no reason this is like like he's like tops top guy so while in his office andrew who's six by the way poor guy he remembers hearing about tesla tesla and he remembers seeing secret equipment that was built from tesla's work. It's like children. They just drag them around.

They're like, they won't know. Right, right. It's like. But like, also, if this is going to turn into time travel, don't you think maybe in the future he's going to re-report this? Yeah, you'd think so. So I was just telling Christine, one of my favorite, favorite, favorite, favorite people in the whole world is Nikola Tesla. Right.

It's because I screamed it really loudly. Right. And then I was like, do you know how obsessed I am with him? Very weird that you brought that up. And I love him. And I'm going to talk about him. So he himself is his own government conspiracy. Because when he died, all of his work mysteriously just left. And also he died very mysteriously. You should have seen my face when I was telling me this. Yeah. So he he died unexpectedly. Yeah. in New York in the 1940s, which, by the way, TikTok happens to be when all of the teleportation and time travel stuff started coming out in the government. Interesting.

They started testing it right after he died. Right when he died and all of his patent work and all of his papers happened to be missing. Mysteriously vanished. And now all of a sudden all this stuff is happening. The government's like, we're testing out some new stuff. Right, exactly. Okay, got it. vanished and now all of a sudden all the stuff is happening like we're testing out some new stuff right exactly okay and there are stories of like them hushed like being you know kind of weird around cops and like making up stories about how he died you were saying like actual fbi agents showed up and they were like it's so weird the paper like i thought he would have tons of paperwork

there were cops that like came to like look at the scene after he died and they didn't find any papers there right and they would ask about it we're like well i thought that i thought i assumed he had an office that's why none of his work was here but his his home was his office so if they didn't see any papers there and the government came in first before the cops to check the scene and all of a sudden all of his paperwork's gone and then a couple years later teleportation and time travel are possible fishy as hell man i tell you what i'm just saying especially because i'm pretty sure one of his last inventions he was trying to create was teleport a teleportation device right and the government asked him to help and he said no and

then he's fucking dead what hello what fresh hello fresh listen indeed i love tesla so anyway now you know that backstory which wasn't even part of this but so what are the odds that now andrew is walking into dr agnew's office and is hearing tesla tesla tesla and seeing all of this equipment okay i'm getting it now that was built next to he'd already died he already died and there was all these papers everywhere that looked like kind of blueprints to items and then they were right next to these items that were actually built in this office sure and uh hold on there's tons of sirens it's they're coming after us i'm actually really nervous i know i'm actually sweating a lot this is just like a like a very charged for lack of a better term lol charged topic okay so he

ended up seeing all this equipment he kept hearing tesla's name everyone was kind of being shush around him because they didn't want to ask questions because he's six and gonna ask everything curious and and uh he ended up finding out later after that trip when his dad kind of had him starting to jump more and more often and doing like kind of almost he kept being a part of this kind of like grooming him oh. And there was one interview that he did. There was a few interviews that Andrew's done that are really, really interesting. But there was one that I, there was a part of it that I cared about. Because in my mind, I'm like, how are you six?

And how is your father thinking this is a good idea for a child? That was my question. And his whole mentality, or in the interview, he said he thinks his father's whole mentality of it was I'm going to my son's going to save the world. And like my son's special. My son's special. He's the first American kid to teleport. And if I find some random six year old, if he has. Right.

If if he if I'm able to teach him all this now, wait until he's older and he's going to know all this information and do something really great with it. And so it was more a sense of patriotism. so it wasn't just like here i'll sacrifice my kid right it was more like i see okay i'm sacrificing my kid for the greater good and like very uh dangerous parenting if you look at it from right another perspective of like oh yeah let me throw my kid into this void but when you said oh we'll jump in together that kind of was different yeah okay just drop kick him in it's just like here shove him punt him into the jump room he's not he didn't make the football team well also he ended up finding out later that his father had actually been jumping for the last four years so by the time so he knew it was like so he knew it

was safe so by the time andrew started jumping with dad, that was why his dad felt confident and testing it on his kid. That changes my perspective. Okay. And also, I haven't gotten to this part yet, but how I said they use kids for this stuff, he was actually the first kid that they were, like his dad basically offered up him to say, oh, let's test teleporting on him before we make it accessible to all children participants. Got it. Because he felt confident. He was like, if I can can do it my kid can do it and then it was kind of the beginning of accepting other children to be a part of this so he was a pioneer in a way got it um so yeah his he felt comfortable to let his child do it so soon after his first jump his dad

volunteered him not just to you know try jumping his dad actually volunteered him to become part of the cia project pegasus because right when right when andrew was a child project pegasus was being created and they had already figured out this equipment they were like okay we know how to teleport we are clearly able to teleport let's start this project so we can do all the things listed in that mission I came up with earlier. But they were thinking, okay, we want to use children, which I will get to eventually, guys. We want to use children. And Andrew's dad was like, well, he's already jumped.

He's a child. I clearly have connections to the CIA. I can get him in. I'm recruiting him. So that was the beginning of how andrew becomes part of the project got it got it got it basically volunteered him oh to answer your question volunteered him thinking my son is helping history we can train him from a young age to be the first time traveler and protect the country etc yeah makes sense so

totally different than what i was thinking yeah it seemed there's a paternal a paternal thing in it yeah almost it's like not as dangerous as i thought at first it sounded like mad men like the kid didn't make the quarterback and so he's like fuck this sissy kid i'm gonna kick him into a void or something he'll grow up then yeah he'll grow up in new mexico we'll teach him a lesson or something but this is very different okay so how the jump room worked i'm picturing this by the way as the madman office with a big silvery void in the middle like you're not wrong you're not totally wrong and then like there's also a time travel machine in it sure okay so this is how the jump room worked so um the jump rooms worked by harnessing what tesla called radiant energy okay so radiant energy is uh quote latent and pervasive in the

universe but has the capacity to bend time and space nice nice noise i'm sure there's a whole lot of scientific mumbo jumbo i could throw in there but that's all we need for this story uh yeah that's about as far as my brain will probably i'm asking a lot of you guys today to listen to way too much so just know that it bends time and space um just the most basic just like it's super simple that's it'll help you on the test so the machine that the jump room that was in the jump room uh was made of two elliptical booms apparently they looked like giant parentheses signs two big silver parentheses signs and inside were tiny ports that had blue and green lighting emitting out of it okay so

this machine used radiant energy to form a quote shimmering curtain which is that watery static energy he saw but it looked like it basically looks like a waterfall of energy is how he described in one interview and that curtain is a vortex like tunnel that travelers jump through so once you walk through the curtain you are in the middle of a wormhole taking you to another area essentially casual um a quote from him is when the tunnel closed we found ourselves at our destination it felt either like you were moving at a great rate or not moving at all depending on the person so either you could feel yourself in a wormhole or you felt yourself like no you felt just totally still he also said um if we were in the hologram for 15 minutes or fewer

the hologram would collapse and after about 60 seconds we would find ourselves back on the platform in the present so you came right back oh interesting so it took that long though yeah oh so they would just be in there for 15 minutes no once you got to oh yeah yeah so they were in there for several it wasn't like bam bam it was like they were in there look it was a rough draft okay here i am criticizing it's like um get it get it faster they have magazines guys like wow what a lag wi-fi get him some highlights highlights that was a good magazine uh so ranger rick so then from there now that he's jumping often uh this is where the time travel begins and And this is where Project Pegasus really launches off and they start recruiting a lot of people. So he continued to jump pretty often, but he was staying in the same time period.

So they really weaned him into it. So they're just teleporting. He's just teleporting. And soon they had him time traveling. Once time travel became something they were more comfortable with really testing on people. They had him traveling just a few hours back in time just to get used to the feeling of time traveling. Right. Because I guess the shorter, the short.

Right. You know, if you're going five years back, it's less of an issue to your body than if you're going a million years back. Like a hundred. Right. Okay. So eventually he became a full fledged time jumper. Holy crap. And he had actual missions where he eventually traveled back multiple times to the 1800s.

Stop it. He went to George Washington. This is in like a signed affidavit where this man is now a Seattle attorney, by the way. Wait, this guy is? Yeah. Andrew Basiago today. Because I'm definitely picturing him as living in New Mexico in one of those. He's a lawyer. Stop it. Okay. and he has written in the affidavit i'm aware that i if i'm not right

or if i'm not telling the truth i will be disbarred and lose and my career oh my god so he's not he's not getting around around okay got it so he continued to jump being a full-fledged time jumper and he started going far back in time and he went to washington's tent during the revolutionary war can you imagine oh my god and first of all my thought is like why is washington letting a child onto the battlefield i mean logically what if a george washington saw a little child in his tent during the revolutionary war well yeah but he wouldn't like what would he do i mean you don't really have a choice. If you just appear. There's a little random kid here.

It's like in the Oval Office if a kid appeared, it'd be like, what am I supposed to do with this? Well, we actually, there is an answer to that in a little bit. Fantastic. I can't wait. He really did cover his tracks. He hasn't answered everything. Wow.

So he went to the tent. He also apparently went back to a world where dinosaurs still roamed. Can you imagine being a six-year-old boy and seeing dinosaurs? He's the first kid to ever see the first human. But like, it's six-year-old. Of course, the first person to ever see dinosaurs is a child. Of course it is. Right. Ugh. They are so

mad that we're talking about this right now. I know. The sirens will not stop. They're like, they're talking about the dinosaurs. Quick. They know too much. They know. Um, there is also Land Before Time. Quick. They know too much. They know. There is also... Land before time. Stop. He got to experience Jurassic Park the way we all should. The way every child wishes they could.

Wishes, yeah. Jeff Goldblum was there. Aww. Just like every 25-year-old girl once. Fuck. Okay, so there was also... This is where it gets pretty wild there was also a highly classified film that was in the darpa department i don't know if it's a building or department whatever but in darpa there were top secret files and one of them was a highly classified film

that was a recording from another project pegasus agent who went all the way back to the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Stop it. So, so you're telling me that was all real. That's what he says. He is another agent from project Pegasus actually went and filmed it. Horrible, horrible.

A millennial went back with their iPhone eight and film the whole thing. You know, he actually went to the future to get someone with a portrait mode iPhone and then went back to Jesus' time. And added a filter. Right. Oh my God, what the fuck? So Basiago claims to have seen the 20-minute film,

20 minutes, the 20-minute film, and said it matched what is depicted in biblical accounts of the life of Jesus. So the main original mission of agents from Project pegasus was purely to observe and report back because the government just wanted to check historical accounts before they ever moved on with what else they could do with time travel they just wanted to see if stories matched up they were like let's see if the christians have it right let's see if

jesus is really out there what so what basiago says he also traveled to the future, to the year 2045. And instead of like how every, like how the New Mexico jump room happened to be the capital building of New Mexico. So this in 2045, whatever location he ended up in, the building that was the jump room there was made of emerald and tungsten steel. Okay. We'll see. we'll give you we'll see you in 2045 25 years from now maybe it's my house um yeah i'm sure there he also um your tiny house well right my tiny house of emerald and tungsten steel you would though um there he also

said fun fact which we can all wait and see uh so far not looking good he said in 2045 was a time of peace and environmental stability okay that gives me a little like even if it's all bullshit it gives me a little hope that climate change corrects and reverses on all the wood oh my god so um so when he went to and keep in mind he's still a child when he's doing all this which but then like how does he know it was made of tungsten steel that's what i wonder too or emerald even he should have been like a green building it was shiny and green right i mean i would say that i'm 27 all right like i don't know what tungsten looks i feel like he did that if this isn't real

he did that thing where he like over detailed which actually they do say that's when you first said oh there's he knew building 68 and stuff i was like they do say the second one has too many details but i guess if he's looking back you never know if he was filling in like well also it was this building right right right i looked at a blueprint i remember this building well you find out later that there are other people who end up corroborating really okay well and you know yeah i mean he could just be filling in like like oh it was material. And then he looked up what tungsten looked like. Right. I mean, he's a grown man now.

So he, maybe he, in hindsight. Apparently an attorney, which blows my mind. Right. So when he went to 2045, he was actually sent there. It was his first trip where he wasn't just there to observe and report. he actually went to 2045 to go pick up a canister of microfilm to be brought back to the 70s which contained information for from the years 1970 to 2045 so his job was to go basically pick up this like it was like going into cvs and getting your role of film microfilm in 2045 well i think the mentality is that if you're going to give someone from the 70s information

right so there's still like a kodak department in the darpa maybe maybe they have a betamax or something oh my god um but yeah so he went back and or he went to the future to get a canister of microfilm with intelligence information on it reporting events that happened between the 1970s and 2040s is our podcast is probably on there oh my god can you imagine can you imagine wait actually took my breath away for a second um can you imagine maybe the 70s knew about us we were a twinkle in our eye before our own twinkles of our eyes there was like a war and an economic crash and also this podcast and then like and that's why we drink had a million listeners but we're talking about it so what if shut up what if

this is why i love time travel what if because we're talking about it so what if shut up what if this is why i love time travel what if because we're talking about it we're now hey can we be on the microfilm everything is possible oh my gosh maybe there's also like fresh hello also i haven't even brought this up but apparently at the same time that teleportation and time travel were being studied in the 40s so was the invisibility cloak which is its own thing so maybe someone's in here right now listening to us and recording it to put on that canister in 2045 for someone in the 70s to go pick up. I didn't brush my hair. I can't handle this.

Anyway. I'm not ready for this. So how does time travel work, you might say? I will absolutely say. How does time travel work? So time travel. Originally, there was not physical time travel only holographic remote viewing time travel i see so like star wars where you like appear right exactly but only time

travel but only like past and future events oh i see okay so the earliest time travel technology was called chronovision aka looking glass so a chronovisor it was chronovision but the actual thing was called the chronoizer what the the vr google oh google glass oh never mind so the looking glass looking glass right this is google glass maybe it was their version of the google glass i mean it does some pretty wild things compared to the vr this is way more advanced i'm like i'm no longer really really virtual reality i'm no longer impressed by those cardboard glasses anymore okay so a chronovisor generates a hologram of either a past or future event which this is very this is too basic and it doesn't help me understand how it actually works but we're going to pretend there's some

science behind it okay the hologram is created by emitting an electromagnetic signal through a series of crystals okay apparently that gives you a hologram of a past event i knew my rose quartz was important see there you go um you and my pyrite are sitting there like so that's a very completely like not even brass tacks of an explanation but i'm sure there's some greater explanation we're not even covering. So it goes through crystals. You point an electromagnetic signal through a bunch of crystals. Apparently, the whole series of crystals has to be in an octagon shape.

Oh! Is this some Wiccan stuff? It sounds a little... It sounds like some geometry to me, which we're not really good at. Geometry is the old Wicca. Let's go with Wiccan. That's better. So apparently that creates this screen that shows you a, I guess, either moving pictures or whatever of some past event. I don't really know.

Quote from him in his affidavit. By 1970, the government was using chronovision to remotely capture on film a vast amount of footage of past and future events i was brought to the project location in flemington new jersey and i was shown remote images of the signing of the u.s constitution and saw george washington and ben franklin as they appeared in real life while at this project location the tech not the technicians that were there were filming reams and reams of past events on 16 millimeter film stock and storing it in film canisters. Presumably this is done digitally today. Holy shit.

So I don't know if they're sitting there and watching. I don't know if it's like a video or if they're taking videos with their own cameras. Like are they in the scene or are they like watching? I have no idea. I wonder if they're're watching it sounds almost like it projects the scene yeah i guess rather than like them actually appearing in the scene right but they also have to record it somehow to put it in i guess they then have their 16 millimeter film their big camera and then they're shooting yeah but it's like videoing a video yeah but also how i mean this one you might cover but how are they like let's go to exactly the date the constitution i have no idea or like

i imagine there's some sort of time the octagon has to be like constructed in a certain maybe you just like there's a there's one crystal that's a dial and you just go back forever and rewind and rewind that sounds about right okay let's go with that. Be kind, rewind. So in his affidavit also, Basiago wrote about his first experience with chronovision, where he wrote, in fall 1970, the children in my group, because at this point, it's a participant group. Got it. In fall 1970, the children in my group first began accessing past and future events via third and fourth dimensional chronovisors that were situated at all three locations. One, the General Manufacturing Company in Common Station, New Jersey. Two, a public auditorium under construction in Morristown, New Jersey.

And three, the ITT Defense Communications Facility in Nutley, New Jersey. New Jersey. You're holding so many secrets. They really are. It's because no one ever goes. like we're going we're going to see this you guys are you can come go see the chronovision happen in real life oh so apparently in those three different locations where were him and his group first started testing out chronovision wow so there was like hidden areas in those buildings especially because one of them was like uh under construction and like oh i'm of them was like uh under construction and

like oh i'm sure it was wink wink under construction so no one would go there and right stuff was happening so that's very specific saying happened in the fall 1970 and then giving locations with cities and all that and he actually got that corroborated without even asking it just happened on its own that someone said wait that actually is weird that he would say that without having any knowledge if like if he didn't if he was a child and he's making all this up then how would he have known because there was a man named art bell who was a radio host i know all about art bell well art bell actually in 1970 worked for itt in the classified nato project in that area and he knows that there was a broom that actually was used for some top secret classified projects rip art bell i loved him and he was able to corroborate that there was indeed a classified facility run by itt in nutley new

jersey and that basiago could have not known about it oh snap especially because he was a kid it's like where would you have gotten that yeah so and art bell was a radio host can you imagine if one day we corroborate a time travel conspiracy well art bell was like one of a one of a kind radio host i don't know if our podcast well maybe someday maybe someday one day if if our lives go in a different direction or if we adjust, if we adapt. Art Bell is just a hero. So chronovision, which like I said, is the holographic version of time travel, eventually evolved into plasma confinement.

Oh, yes. Which is the physical time travel. Oh, so instead of the holographic like vision. So chronovision was holographic and eventually their technology evolved into physical time travel called plasma confinement got it so the time traveler stands in a chamber and in that chamber is a cloud of plasma and you walk into the cloud of plasma and you basically keep walking and even though you should be in a chamber you end up walking into a whole other part of the space-time continuum and the session is temporary and you quickly return to the present um but

basically you're wormholed from the chamber into an area another so cool another time so in 1972 so at the time basiago was 12 now he used plasma confinement in a lab in East Hanover, New Jersey. So again, time travel in New Jersey seems to be a thing. So he tried plasma confinement in a lab in East Hanover and that lab happened to be ran by Dr. Sterling Colgate. Oh. And Dr. Colgate was heavily involved in the development of the hydrogen bomb. And most of his work to this day is still classified and untouchable. Wow. Okay. So for you to be meeting him and going to his work to this day is still classified and untouchable wow okay so for you to be meeting him and going to his lab there's definitely something in there that people aren't allowed to see correct um he says he got in the chamber and plasma was emitted into the

chamber and he was sent back to november 19th 1863 to witness the gettysburg address what and there's actually a picture that i'm sure you've seen at some point. But I will show it to you here. Of the Gettysburg Address? Hang in there. Okay. Yes. I'm like, what are you talking about?

A picture that I've seen. So, apparently, I didn't write this part down, but when he went to Gettysburg, they had not prepped him properly like they usually do where he's wearing the right attire and things like that. Oh, shit. And so he ended up not fitting in accordingly, and he felt self-conscious about his outfit. And so he tried to wander away, and coincidentally, that was where someone was taking a picture, and he actually ended up in a picture at Gettysburg. And you can see this picture. Why did you call me an ass? I was really asking. Oh no. Cause I thought you meant just a picture of Gettysburg in general, not like of him. No, it said the Gettysburg address. I don't know. Oh no. You just said Gettysburg. And I was like,

I thought you just meant like a picture of like, like a sunset in Gettysburg or something. So this is a picture that it's a real picture and he swear, it's a real picture that has been like corroborated by everyone. It's been like Life Magazine and all that. So it hasn't been doctored but he swears that this is him and you can tell because he's wearing modern 1970s

shoes versus Oh my god. And he also has like a 70s haircut and he's like wandering away he's by himself he's standing by himself his whole job during that mission was just to observe and report and apparently someone got a picture and he definitely doesn't fit he doesn't look like he's supposed to be what should people google to find i just typed in andrew basiago project pegasus or you can do like project pegasus gettysburg picture this is creepy so he swears that

that's him do you think that they like oh that is so wild do you think so did they give him like the hat and stuff to like try and they didn't really do a great job i think they tried to dress him as a bugle boy oh and or a union bugle boy and he still was like this is not it just didn't fit apparently like his shoes were oversized or something and he felt like he was gonna get caught like a sore thumb yeah so he tried to run away and ironically that was can i ask a question that maybe we can delete if it's if you're gonna talk about it but like in this scenario like how would he get back like do you know that um it would just automatically happen from how from how it was described to me that's not something i answer later from how that was described to to me by

him specifically um and i'll believe anything you say in his explanation of time travel he says that it's temporary and you come back to the president here i want i'm sure like by the time they have like plasma confinements you can like put a timer on it or something right okay who knows um but so he even says after he stepped into the plasma chamber and went to Gettysburg, he says, quote, here I was depicted in the famous photo of Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg address. Holy shit. My favorite part of what? Oh, no, sorry. I'm just throwing confetti.

I thought you were like giving me a sign. No, no. So my favorite story of his that involves him time traveling was after Gettysburg. He also traveled to ford's theater the night of lincoln's assassination and he traveled there on five or six different missions and he says quote i did not however witness the assassination which is good to know that they didn't let the children yeah maybe that's nice okay um i did not however witness the assassination once i was on the theater level when he was shot

i heard the shot followed by a great commotion that arose from the crowd it was terrible to hear especially when you're 12 yeah you're like wait i'm here alone in a different yeah it's like take me back take me back take me home please beam me up take me and my nikes back to 1972 so uh because he jumped to this event this is my favorite part because he jumped to this event multiple times he uh remembers instances where he actually ran into himself from oh no from earlier trips only minutes before crap so do you did they recognize each other yeah he recognized himself he knew what was going on yeah okay he knew it was just him going back a couple holy shit because he so let's say on monday

his mission was to go for the first time to ford's theater right then he comes back and finishes his mission and goes back into the lab on tuesday and they're like okay you have to go back he still sees monday him where he's there in history right oh my god so he uh were they like hey high five i think they like accidentally ran into each other because one of his things was apparently when he heard the shot in the theater he was supposed to leave oh i see and so he ran into himself leaving oh my god and so he even said that he realized at that point that it wasn't just you're going into witness time he was clearly accessing alternate realities on adjacent timelines oh so even if the getettysburg Address happened untouched by him, he stepped into this weird half dimension where he was still there doing something.

Basically, he described it as alternate realities on adjacent timelines. And I think that's super cool. That is quantum madness. I love it. Me too. He also, so when you asked earlier about him going to or when i just said it out loud without you even asking um he went to washington's 10 they were like what would you do if there was a kid there yes yes yes so in one of his quotes he said that he was really nervous

about going to the ford theater especially after running into himself because he was afraid he might blow his own cover with someone else witnessing him yeah and he also didn't know like if he was alone maybe there was another like another agent that he didn't know on the same mission running oh god so he got nervous and he said after the first of these two encounters with myself where he like ran into himself he said i was concerned that my cover might be blown unlike my trip to gettysburg in which i was clutching a letter to navy secretary gideon wells to offer me aid and assistance in the event i was arrested i didn't have any explanatory materials when i was sent to ford's theater god so he had literally a letter so apparently during most of his trips they would give him this whole package to carry that way if

an official or someone tried to talk to him he would say bring me to this person and that person would have there'd be materials to give him to prove that he's from the future and let him go or take care of him or whatever but couldn't the time just run out and he would just be sent back i think it was like just like a quick fix i don't know i have no idea yeah that makes sense maybe they like set the timer for like a week i mean yeah that's true i don't know maybe it was like a two-day thing and you don't want him like getting killed in 1850. Yeah. So the last thing I'm going to talk about, cause I know I'm really going over my usual

time. The last thing I'm going to talk about in this episode is the explanation I should have given you forever ago about why kids are involved. Please. Cause I'm just dying right here. So by this time, by the time that he is actively time traveling, 140 participants were being actively involved in teleportation experiments on their way to time travel experiments, and all were children. 140. 140.

Wow. So children apparently were easier to utilize due to their ability to adapt to, quote quote the strains of moving between past present and future and children were involved for five main reasons so reason one they were experimental test subjects into the physical and mental effects of teleporting on children so they wanted to test it on children so they needed children right okay um reason two the holograms produced by the chronovisors would collapse if adults were involved because apparently to use them, small humans worked better. I guess the smaller you were, the better it was to just the size wise, I guess size wise. Yeah.

Third, they were regarded as better participant observers because children were blank slates and their perceptions were not skewed and they didn't have any bias to figure out why something happened a whole history of right uh lincoln and they weren't like oh i'm watching this because i know this happens later right they were just watching what they saw right um reason four was they were trainees this is my favorite reason they were trainees expected to after uh becoming a part of this program and joining project pegasus they were trainees expected to become america's first generation of chrononauts and a full-fledged time space program when they grow up oh my god so it's basically like like training them to want for yeah grooming them for a full-fledged career as an adult holy shit and fifth because uh the psychological effects of moving between alternate

timelines actually was damaging adult time traveler psyches so the original time travelers were adults but apparently they were they were like actually going insane when they came back because they couldn't handle all either how time had changed or the just like the sensation and physiological effects of time travel yeah so by training chrononauts quote quote chrononauts, from childhood, the goal was to one day have an abled group of time travelers that wouldn't have the side effects. I see. Okay. So if you start them young, maybe they won't have those problems later.

So it's not just like throwing a 40-year-old into 1850 and be like, good luck. Right. They were like, let's give you small tests now. Literally just go to this area and don't talk and just tell us what you see. And then eventually they kind of wean them into bigger and bigger projects so when they became an adult there were no side effects to worry about cool um also yeah children seem to psychologically adapt better to time travel okay probably because i kind of see it as a way of like why kids are also better with like ghosts and things like that it's like no one's even if you tell them it's not real they're not really going

to listen they're still going to have that fantasy imagination yeah yeah brain so it's probably easier to adapt and be like oh that was fun that i time traveled what i see without like uh any sort of people telling me i'm wrong notion or anything yeah so andrew's father this is where it gets kind of messed up because eventually andrew asked where are these kids coming from oh this is what i was afraid of and andrew's father told him that now they are mainly children of active adult participants in the cia but originally um a lot of the early parts of the experimentation were from the u.s government making agreements with other countries to remove orphans and homeless children from the streets

to use them to be participants in these projects. Okay. The first kids were allegedly from Mexico, Venezuela, Chile, and Argentina. And the worst part is that because those were the first kids to be tested, to be testing time jumps and things like that, it was when the time jumps had not... They were not flawless machines yet. Stop it, Em.

So, one time, because the jump rooms weren't entirely safe or trusting yet, there was one account that Andrew's father remembers of a child returning from a mission before his legs. Em. And so it wasn't... I made a mistake it wasn't actually andrew's father it was another uh another guy that came out later and corroborated a lot of stuff that andrew said

but he he worked on those machines and he remembers a child returning before his legs quote he was writhing in pain with just stumps where his legs had been until they appeared a minute later and then he said when they asked about like machines now he said quote these bugs have most likely been ironed out by now like people's legs which which is actually really interesting in high school i actually did a paper on teleporting i tried to prove that teleporting is possible or will one day be possible and um there's this whole concept and when it comes to the theory of teleporting where some people are quick to say some scientists are quick to say that to teleport you actually have to

be willing to kill yourself so that another version of you can be recreated in another area whoa so there's this whole um it's a controversial topic of what is a soul and basically if you a lot of people have said a teleportation device is a lot like a fax machine where you can send a the original you can send the original and then a copy comes out later it's not the same ink it's not the same paper it's just a copy of it yeah so if you're teleporting a person that person has to dissolve and then they have to resurface somewhere else but can you do that with a soul and is it just a copy or a second version right and so different atoms but right and also while teleporting as far as we know doesn't exist if they were to invent like the first teleporting machine,

obviously there's going to be some bugs, and one of the big reasons that people would be against teleporting, one is because you would be technically ending your life to create it somewhere else. I see. But also, if one atom, if there's one thing that goes wrong with that machine and one atom gets moved somewhere else,

like, your heart might not teleport at the same time or your legs might go missing or you know something like that so those are like the two big controversial topics of if teleporting is possible should we even go through with it right and so that's that's what my paper turned into in high school but like more good questions the morality of it yeah did the legs appear and like they were fine? They appeared a minute later and he had his legs. And they reattached. He just, yeah, he just showed up a little bit earlier than his legs. Oh God. But so all of that being said, that is the first half.

Oh my God. I'm of killing Project Pegasus. Holy shit. It's like, it's like one of those, like back in 10 years ago and you had to wait a whole week to listen to the next part of an episode that's right this is the real life version of that unless you're binging this later which people do those are the lucky folk oh god i'm so sorry i'm sure i ran over my usual time but it's there's so much to unpack here so many i can't i'm glad this isn't over because i feel like i have a million questions that you might answer right right right right all right sorry i had to go eat some couscous

because i was hungry we're back um real quick when i went downstairs to get something to eat um i talked to alexander and ally and ally was like oh yeah i was at work today my co-worker uh was on Spotify and had and that's why we drink pulled up and so I asked her like do you listen and she's like oh yeah I'm a big fan she's like oh yeah I live with Christine I'm dating her brother and I live with Christine and she was like holy shit and so I just want to say hi to Bryn hi Bryn and um Allie's great and you should be friends with her. She just started the job there so she's like brand new at the office so. Oh she really. She's making her name.

Making her way in. That happened with other Christine in our friend group. Oh yeah. Um when she started working on her on her new show someone was wearing and that's why you're doing sweatshirt. Shut up. And this is when I lived with her in Pasadena and she's like oh yeah I live with M and she freaked out. So it's just so funny. yeah, I live with Em. And she freaked out. It's just so funny. Look at us helping people. It's not that exciting. It's not that exciting, but it's also pretty cool.

I mostly just lay in my bed with a UTI and cry. Oh, yeah. Christine had a UTI recently. Yeah, I said it in the last episode. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I just. I'm just happy I'm not the only one.

I know. We did. Yeah, I felt like i was joining you in here yours was worse for sure but okay they're all bad no uti is a good one that's what i always say uh okay so after that mega story you just told that like blew my mind so sorry no it was great i just have to like it was filled with whimsy and mystere light-hearted easygoing yeah whimsy i am doing one that i've wanted to do for a while as well ah new year new us i know look at us go and this is the story of the weepy voiced killer oh my gosh that sounds so it's so creepy oh my

gosh okay so the Weepy Voice Killer. So I want to say I got a lot of this information from a website called morbidology.com, which... Love morbidology. You do? Yeah. Okay, yeah. They put like a really great summation of this whole story on there, and then I got the rest from other websites, but they had a great outline. Okay.

So this story takes place in Minneapolis, St. Paul, Minnesota. so this story takes place in minneapolis st paul minnesota um we're going back speaking of time travel to new year's eve of 1980 oh oh yeah very interesting because the second part of my story is in 1980 stop wow see we're looking at us clicking and connecting with whimsy clicking and clacking and waving and jumping time jumping and doing the charleston okay sorry 1980 1980 new year's eve new year's eve uh 20 year old karen potak a student at the university of stevens point was out at a nightclub with a group of friends um and as the nightclub was closing around 1 a.m karen's friends noticed that she was nowhere to be found. Uh-oh.

Yep. She had already left the club and was walking the short distance back home. As she walked down the street near Pierce Butler Road and Syndicate Avenue in St. Paul, she was ambushed. Oh, no. She was bludgeoned across the head with an entire iron. Oh, no. And left for dead.

After the attack, local police received a phone call at approximately 3 a.m. There was a man crying on the other end of the line. Ew. Okay. Usually I wouldn't say ew, but knowing this thing is called the weepy killer. Yeah. I'm already grossed out. It's bad.

His voice cracked as he directed police to the crime scene. He wailed, there's a girl hurt here. So is, I know this is like way early for me to be asking questions but do we find out if he's weeping because he actually feels guilty of his actions or is he weeping to like make you think he's not the killer or should i not should i keep should i shut up no he's the killer for sure i know but is he weeping as if like he's of like a someone who stumbled upon a dead body? No.

And isn't the killer? No. Okay. He's... Okay. Yes. I'm just going to keep listening. I'm just going to keep listening. When police and paramedics arrive on the scene, they're horrified by the brutality of the attacker.

Karen's killer had beaten her so badly it exposed her brain. Oh, no. Oh, no. And miraculously, she survived. I know. that i was not expecting when i was taking these notes i was like i did not see that coming yeah me neither uh however she was left without her memory so she wasn't able to report participating and report in the in the crime uh in the right i hear aftermath um on june 3rd 1981 oh happy birthday to me oh yeah sorry birthday i was negative 11 oh god time traveled to your birthday in 81 a group of teenage boys were walking through a wooded area near the

interstate when they stumbled upon a body that would later be identified as 18 year old kimberly compton from pepin oh minnesota she had been stabbed 61 times yeah it's not good mainly in the chest with an ice pick oh my god and then she was strangled with a shoelace after her murder police received another phone call much similar to the phone call they received following the first attack and the man cried god damn will you find me i just stabbed somebody with an ice pick i can't stop myself i keep killing somebody okay well that answers my question yeah okay so so it's out of a little guilt maybe perhaps or just an awareness of himself perhaps yes are so we know it was an ice pick because he said it was a nice pick

um oh an ice pick like a like a pickaxe for ice yes i was thinking an icicle this whole time because when you said that i in my head i mean this is a really sad thing and i'm not trying to Oh, an ice pick, like a pickaxe for ice. Yes. I was thinking an icicle this whole time. Because when you said that in my head, I mean, this is a really sad thing. Like melted, it's a good, is that what you were thinking? Yeah, I was like, I'm not trying to be like fucked up in this really morbid part of a story. But at the same time, I was like, how do we know it was an icicle if that's supposed to be the perfect murder weapon? Because it melts. No, an ice pick is a very sharp pickaxe. Yeah.

I hear you now. I feel really, really shitty. You're like, how do they know? I was like, wow, he really tested it out. Everyone's always saying an icicle will do the trick. I mean, it is Minnesota. Right. There's probably a lot of icicles.

There's an abundance of them. Yeah. An abundance of icicles. Yeah. No, unfortunately, it was not an icicle. I hear you. It's much, much worse. Much worse.

Oh, my gosh. 60 times. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not good. Okay cold. I hear you. It's much, much worse. Much worse. Oh my gosh. 60 times. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, not good. Okay. And then strangled with a shoelace. So police actually were able to trace that phone call to a payphone at a bar across the

street from the bus depot at 9th and St. Peter Street. But when they arrived, nobody was there. Surprise, surprise. Two days later, they received another call, 911. The caller told officers he hadn't meant to kill the girl and that he would turn himself in, but he didn't. Instead, he called police and told them, quote, I'll try not to kill anyone else, adding that he couldn't help it. Quote, I don't know why I stabbed her. I'm so upset about it.

On the 21st of July, 1982, 33-year-old Kathleen Greening from st paul was scheduled to go on a vacation to mackinac island with her best friend carol kellogg and then on the morning they were scheduled to leave carol was supposed to drive to kathleen's for breakfast before they departed but when carol arrived at her friend's house she knocked on the front door and nobody answered so she let herself in because the door was unlocked called out for for Kathleen, didn't hear anything. So she starts searching the house. She gets to the bathroom, sees that the door is partially open and the light is on. And she pushes open the door and sees Kathleen face up in the water with her head under the tap. And she had drowned in the bathtub.

Oh, no. And some people thought at the time thatleen's is so it was officially ruled an accident um because they were like she was taking a bath she either passed out or had a seizure or something happened where she should have like had a stroke or something like that and she accidentally drowned but a lot of people at the time thought kathleen's estranged husband may have had something to do with it um so that was kind of like the rumor going around is that her husband was involved her estranged husband was involved because they had a bad relationship um but at the time there was no connection to the sweepy voice killer it was just

this this will come back into play but at the time he was not even related to this okay so on august 5th 1982 a woman named barbara simons was at a Minneapolis bar called Hexagon, which I googled and it's still there, when she offered a man at the bar a cigarette. She then told a waitress that the man was going to give her a ride home, and she said something like, I hope he's a decent guy because I'm catching a ride with him. Ugh. Yeah. Famous last words. Famous last words. catching a ride with him oh yeah famous last words last words uh the following morning a newspaper carrier walking along the mississippi river near 29th street found barbara's body and

she'd been stabbed to death oh once again surprise surprise the police received another phone call it was the same man and he said please don't talk just listen i'm sorry i killed that girl i stabbed her 40 times kimberly compton was the first one over in saint paul so that was him kind of saying like i did it i yeah like i did the first one to a whole bunch of it's the same guy right like proving he's the same guy right the first person police wanted to speak to uh was the man that simon said met at the bar because the right waitress was like oh she was talking to this guy and she left with this guy um and the man the man who had given her a ride so they were like maybe he knows something maybe he could even be the murderer if they were that lucky and witnesses

were able to provide a description he was described as being around 40 years old six feet tall 185 pounds and the witnesses said he had a dark complexion and receding black hair but before police could track him down 19 year old denise williams from minneapolis was working the streets when she was approached by the still unidentified man who asked for her services they arranged a price and she hopped into his car and as they're driving she senses that something's wrong because uh the guy starts driving through a dark suburban area rather than returning her to the city where she had uh asked to go back like he was supposed to be driving her back to where she was working and um he went the

other direction so she's like something is wrong here uh they turn onto a dead end road and before she could even like know what was happening he stabbed her 15 times with a screwdriver that he just pulled out oh from his pocket and during the attack williams because she had sensed that something was wrong uh had grabbed a glass bottle and started smashing him in the head with it. Okay. Hitting his head in his face and her screaming drew the attention of a man who lived nearby. And when that man saw this guy trying to stab her, he began to like, he tried to like grab him. Right.

And so the guy fled the scene. So the man called an ambulance and they came and picked up Denise and brought her in to take care of her at the hospital. And the man who had witnessed the scene was obviously taken in for questioning to help identify this guy. So they were trying to figure out a lead, trying to figure out who this guy could be. And then they receive an interesting call. then they receive um an interesting call uh the saint paul fire department gets a call asking for assistance from a man who happened to have quote oral a u r a l similarities to the so-called weepy voiced killer phone calls um and these calls asked for help because he was bleeding badly and needed medical attention so the caller had a similar voice and he was asking for medical attention

basically and they were like this sounds just like that guy who's been calling 9-1-1 and reporting himself as a killer so they pick up this guy and he is identified as 37 year old paul michael stefani so this guy paul grew up in austin minnesota moved to st paul in the 60s where he worked as a hospital janitor and a shipping clerk and uh he later said that he kept losing jobs and blamed his epilepsy. Angry, he returned to the area around the factory where he used to work, which is where he saw Karen Potak, one of his victims. And he said, quote, when I picked her up, she had no jacket and I thought I'd take her

for a cup of coffee. I just wanted to warm her up and my mind snapped or something. So he was soon apprehended obviously he was charged with attempted second degree assault he was found guilty of the murder of barbara simons but due to lack of evidence he couldn't be tied to the other murders during his trial in the barbara simons murder case dafani's ex-wife his sister and a woman who lived with him testified that they believed that the hysterical voice in the phone calls was Paul Stefani. So they played the calls in court and his sister and roommate and ex-wife all said, yeah, that's definitely. Wow. Yeah. He was convicted of Barbara Simon's murder. So she was the one at the bar who asked, who said,

I'm going to get a ride. I'm sure he's fine. Yeah. He's probably okay. Yeah. And got a ride with him and was stabbed 40 times. And of the attempted murder of Williams and was sentenced to 40 years. So in 1997, Stefani was diagnosed with skin cancer.

And when he found out he had less than a year to live, he confessed to the murder of Kim Compton, which is the one who's the woman who had been found by those boys in the woods who had been stabbed with the ice pick. Icicle, yeah. The icicle. The abundance of icicles. And he said, I'd rather go to the Grace knowing this is all taken care of and off my chest. What a coward's way out. What really happened is you realized if you got put in jail for a hundred years you only have to deal with it for like 12

months max chicken and now he's dying so he's like right he's like might as well i guess i'll get credit for these murders right at least this way when i go to the pearly gates they'll know i confessed yeah it's probably more about getting credit for it yeah because he only got 40 years before that so he could have probably that's true made it out yeah you're right but now he's like i'm dying i might as well get the credit for killing these people you're right you're right you're right i was thinking more like when he gets to the pearly gates that's what he said he said i'd rather go to the grace knowing that this is off my chest like i mean that's how he made it sound so maybe but i don't want to like i i don't trust

him my gut doesn't seem trusting my gut is maybe he's not that great of a guy um he says quote to this day i can't believe it i wake up in the morning thinking and hoping i'm dreaming all this but then i say no paul you're still in jail fuck you i don't know what to do except say i wish i could turn back the clock he said he had just stepped off a bus in st paul and walked to mickey's diner where simons was having coffee we started talking and i told her i'd show her around town i thought i'd drive by the river and maybe we'd see the delta queen or have a picnic but in 15 minutes she was dead oh well that's what i wanted to kill them fault that is right like i turn around and she's gone it's like well it's like man who did that can't wait to go to heaven right enjoy heaven jesus and then and then

this is where this okay he also confessed to the murder of kathy greening who was the one who had been found in the bathtub where everyone to that day had still thought her estranged husband had something to do with it so he really just like owned up to it and could have gotten away with it. Oh, yeah. Nobody even had, it was not on the table. That estranged husband is feeling lucky that day. He was like, wow, thank God you decided to be honest. Exactly.

So he got the, he admitted to that. And he had said that the reason, okay, here, I'll just explain it. I'll just read my actual notes. Oh, okay. Instead of ad-libbing it so he had never been like i said considered a suspect in her death and he had never even made a phone call you know how that was his mo to make a phone call so he never made a phone call to the police after the murder um so he wasn't even on the table as a suspect uh and investigators announced that during his confession however he was able to

provide details about greening and her house that only the killer would have known so even though they were like yeah yeah like you didn't this doesn't fit your mo he's like no no i did it like this is what happened this is how the house was laid out like he knew all these details where they were like shit he actually did it um they also found the name oh yeah forgot about this part sorry if you can't tell i did these notes a month ago over a month ago i'm impressed that you even remember any of it i'm struggling i tell you uh so they all investigators also found the name paul s in greening's address book with his phone number that'll do it so that was their like nail in the coffin right of like

okay yeah he's not fucking around like he actually right there was some and they still don't know what that connection was or how she had connected with him but somehow they were connected and he had killed her even though the mo was different so while he was found guilty of the murder of barbara simons he never actually confessed to that one weirdly enough but total in all he confessed to one a beating attack in 1980 uh two stabbing kimberly compton to death in 1981 uh three drowning kathleen greening in 1982 which is interesting that it's like beating stabbing drowning like usually these people all have one very similar mo or they like graduate to a certain mo so i don't know that's very it makes sense that he wasn't a suspect in that one um stabbing barbara simons

to death in 1982 and then stabbing denise williams in 1982 and she's the one who fought back with a bottle got it and actually in the documentary i watched she fought back she described like she's interviewed and she describes like being in the car and saying she actually said like he picked me up uh he was a john and he picked me up and he finished really quickly and she's like so i was really worried that like he was gonna want more from me so she's like so i just was like okay so we were headed back and then he took a turn down like the wrong street and she's like something's going on here and um she said her instinct was to see if there was a weapon around her and she saw a glass bottle and so she said her instinct was to see if there was a weapon around her and she saw a glass bottle and so she's like wow even though he got the chance to stab her 15

times with a screwdriver like she had the least he didn't stab her 16 times exactly yeah she had that instinct she had that yeah so she was ready with a bottle managed to hit him and scream loud enough that somebody heard right so she's actually the one that really brought the whole thing to a close thankfully yeah um so in 1998 the year after he confessed paul michael stefani died from cancer at the oak parts oak parks heights maximum security prison and i so i was reading a rancor article about this and it had like a weird detail that i didn't really see anywhere else uh one of the weird facts about him is that all of his victims were were wearing red when they died interesting which i just thought was he's like a bull maybe yeah i just interesting

i wonder if it like if it sparked something maybe maybe so a local reporter who covered uh the weepy voice killer spree for wccotv interviewed him in prison and she said she was careful not to wear red during the interview because they had noticed that all of his victims had worn red i'm glad someone noticed that i know someone has a weird skill set and used it like pattern finding right because it wasn't in any other article i mean it makes sense if people wear tie-dye i'm more inclined to love them so i mean it could be the reverse same difference um now this is where it gets kind of into like the whole psychology of him calling the police which is what just has always creeped

me out so much about this right so it's really rare for a killer to call the police after committing a crime even though like on criminal minds or whatever it's they make it seem like it's a big thing like it's a normal taunting behavior or whatever um it's actually extremely rare however it's not unheard of but when they do contact authorities most killers do it for an ego normal, taunting behavior or whatever. It's actually extremely rare. However, it's not unheard of. But when they do contact authorities, most killers do it for an ego boost. And few ever confess directly outright to police like he did. And so they still actually don't know, to answer your question, which is why I didn't really give like an outright answer, they don't really know why he called the police.

Got it. Because although he said, oh, I did it and i want to hand myself in he never handed himself in and even once he was caught he still didn't admit until he was had a year to live so it's sort of like oh he felt guilty but not guilty enough to actually turn himself in sure he felt guilty enough to call from an anonymous number and then he was like 10 guilty do it again yeah so it's a little fishy even though they say some people say oh you can hear in his voice that he's really guilty well yeah like somebody can also right fake that right so i don't know um so that suggests he wasn't really interested in allowing the police

to stop him so even though he quote unquote maybe felt guilty he didn't want to stop sure which doesn't do much for you in my opinion opinion. Right. Morality-wise. There's a psychiatrist named Park Dietz who theorizes that it's an unusual thing for serial violent offenders to communicate with law enforcement during their offenses. As some of them are doing it to taunt police, some of them do it so they can get more credit. But anybody who does it ever is not trying to get caught. So any killer who contacts police in this way. Thinks that they're smarter than the law or that they can get away with it. Even if, even if they want to confess and whatever, they don't want to get caught.

Right. So like they might be trying to ease their conscious conscience. Right, right, right. But they still want to remain. I, yeah, that makes sense. At large, quote unquote. Right. They're not walking to the police station. He could have walked in and said, look, I did this.

Please stop me. True. But calling and saying from a pay phone. It's like an instant. It's an instantaneous need to relieve your conscience. Yeah, yeah. It's almost like he's trying to make himself feel better. Right.

At the minimal. What I did wasn't that bad if I own up to it. It's like confessing to a priest that you murdered someone and then walking away and doing it again. Right. Like, well, I told God. It's like, that doesn't. Right. No.

It's like, well, you still did it. It's just, it's, anyway. So that is the story of, and I'm sorry, I feel like I just blabbed all that at you. Well, I'm sorry because I feel like I forced you to blab it because I really really took up so much time I made you skit scat and shabooby and all that I think that uh I made Eva delete that part but I was definitely like scat manning through half that because I was trying to remember I was like okay there's a Simons and there's a greening and there's there's someone it's get scat a boopop boop bop williams it's i got confused by all their names but anyway essentially bad news bears all around right clock um and i actually do want to add to uh that i was on the

plane writing these notes and i uh i have a bad habit of being on Delta airlines and researching or serial killers or, Oh my God, this is the worst thing that I did. I told blaze about this later. And he's like, stop telling me about these things. I realized that I was on the plane one time and I had Googled nine 11. No, Christine. No, that's like, that's like digitally saying the word bomb. I know. And it wasn't even that I was like consciously. I like how, by the way, I like how I'm not even on a plane and I had to whisper the B word because I'm so afraid these days. As if not even whispering it makes a difference.

I mean, someone could be on a plane listening to us too loudly. And if I say it, they're fizzucked. Well, so I Googled 9-11 conspiracies because I was reading a BuzzFeed article of like best Netflix. Because I was on the plane and I was like, I want to watch a documentary. Right. And I left conspiracies as we were just talking about. And so it was like, oh, there's this interesting. And I'm not saying.

Was it the one about Tammy or Tanya or whatever her name is? I don't know because the second I realized what I was doing, I slammed my computer shut. And was like, I can't do this in Delta comfort class because they're going to kick me off the plane. There was. There's a really, really good one. I think her name was Tammy or Tanya, but it was, I think maybe cause it was, it's a girl who she basically, she went through her whole, this whole several years worth of saying she was like, um, her husband died in nine 11 and all this. And she like made this whole fundraiser.

And then you found out that she was nowhere near and it was all fake it was something like that and i did not mean to research like oh 9-11 was like right none of that i just was looking at this documentary and then i realized what i had typed and i was like so anyway point being i was googling so i have a bad habit of doing this by you do you do it i mean you only have to do it once for me to judge you it's a bad habit when you do it one time on an airplane. Right. But I was also, even when I worked at Nickelodeon, I was always searching, like, goriest killers. And I'm like, okay, I need to stop doing some of those. That's the happiest place on earth. That's a work computer.

Yeah. Well, I would do that, too. So, like, on my breaks, I would, like, at ISS, during my lunch break, sometimes I would stay and, like, do my notes. And I would just, people would just walk in walk in and i would have the gnarliest stuff on my on my computer it's really bad so i have a bad habit of searching for serial killers on my computer on an airplane so i did that because now i get wi-fi because we travel so much so i just get the wi-fi and i like try to do all my notes so i was googling this or researching this guy and um of course there are all these youtube videos of like his 911 calls and so i'm sitting

there on the plane creeping yourself out oh my god it was um it's so i mean i'm just glad that like i wasn't alone in my room because the 911 calls you guys are on the internet right and it's him calling and like i remember reading about this in high school this weepy voice killer which is why i wanted to do it for so long where he's crying into the phone and saying like please stop me you've got to stop me ew it's horrible and he sounds like just weepy and crying and like like saying i stabbed her i stabbed her like and then one of them which i didn't even mention it wasn't really in the notes but it was him saying like how will i get to how will i get to heaven now sidebar i i like how studious you are on that you're doing all your notes on the plane because i just watch infinity war for the thousandth time i know i've witnessed it

and you've watched me cry to it too at the same time you're crying to like a legitimate cry worthy movie this asshole cry and you cry well um no let's also take a second to really appreciate the real heroes out there who are dispatch operators can you imagine my stepsister she was a dispatch operator for a while and she was like that is no joke like you they apparently give you some of the worst phone calls in your training so that you can be prepared for what you'd hear really and it's like mothers screaming that their babies are dead and like horrible. Car crashes. Horrible.

I can't even imagine. Yeah. Like drug overdoses. I mean, and you're the person that has to be calm. Totally. That's literally like, I'm such an ass because just in my general life, if someone calls me, I'm like, oh, I don't want to get that. But can you imagine being a dispatch where every time the phone rings, you're like, something

horrific is on the other end. Worst case scenario is happening. And if if i don't answer something even worse could happen that would give me nightmares oh that's that's a yeah you're right very honorable job mad props mad props and i've called 9-1-1 plenty of times in my lifetime i've i've had to call 9-1-1 but i remember on my 23rd birthday or my 24th birthday i think my 23rd birthday for some reason there was a giant pile of trash on fire on the highway. Oh, in the middle of the highway, it was like a massive fire. And I was the only one out on the highway. So I was like, Oh, I gotta call the police or something. And so I

remember the dispatch answered and I was like, Hi, everything's fine. Everything's good. We're okay. Don't panic. I'm hoping to be your your one call today that doesn't give you too much stress and i was like there's a fire on the highway and there's no one there everything's fine just wanted to say it and then i hung up i'm that person who every time i called 9-1-1 there was like a horrific accident outside our house recently a few months ago and i called 9-1-1 and i was like hi yeah how are you so there's this terrible crash and there's a body on the ground oh my god um and i'm like so like hey how are you so there's this terrible crash and there's a body on the ground oh my god um and i'm like so like hey how are you okay uh i'm trying to be calm i'm just gonna tell you what's going on and they're like also very calm and it's just like the most weird morbid thing it's not

you're both ignoring emotions elderly woman get hit by a car one time and i call it like an suv oh you told me this and her body flew i remember because the paramedics came and i had to like stand where i saw her and then stand where i saw her body body go where she ended up and it was 15 feet she flew 15 feet and so i called 911 and this guy was like this other guy was like holding the driver because she was having a freak out and i'm just on the phone with everyone. Everyone's like sobbing and screaming. I'm like, hey, hi, hi, how are you? And I'm like, what is wrong with me? That's also kind of like having a phone call with your parents like in the library before midterms.

They're just screaming and crying in the background. And it's like, hi, mom, I'm good, but I've got to go. Love that you're making lasagna. Sounds amazing. Wish I were home. Well, also the horrible thing about dispatch is that, like, not only do you have to be calm, but you also have to try to get them off the phone, if possible, as fast as you can because there's other calls coming in.

Well, and you also have to be, you have to be like, oh, here's how you do CPR. Right. While the parents, hey, they're coming. And if you don't describe it well enough, they might do it wrong and kill the person. Oh, my God. Now I'm stressed. Just horrific. Anyway.

Anyway. So thank you for them i salute you dispatch people seriously um anyway so that's the story but if you listen to the calls it's actually very creepy because they're like okay where are you and he's like don't talk just listen like i killed her and he's like sobbing like a grown man sobbing and he's like i stabbed her 40 times and on the one hand like i was reading reddit articles about it and it's like on the one hand he's you know sounds like so upset and guilty but then it's like also sociopaths know how to right that doesn't mean anything like uh just like he knows he knows how to use other people's emotions possibly like just to an empathetic if to an empathetic person you sound guilty that doesn't necessarily mean that... It could mean he's just copying the emotion.

Anyway. So, who knows? They don't know why he confessed or what he was hoping to get out of it. Because he didn't want to get caught. Clearly. Anyway, so that's... I think you're right. It's just the credit.

Maybe, yeah. Or maybe his way of easing his conscience without actually... I know I for sure would want my conscience eased. Yeah. I can't even imagine. But it makes sense then he still had that survival instinct of like but i don't want to get caught right yeah anyway so i do have a horror scope for paul uh which i don't know what i wrote i wrote something what is wrong with you let's hope well i'm like worried i'm like usually

if it's a really bad one i don't write a horoscope for the person but i have one for a virgo which was him so all right let's see what it says virgo you may not feel like you're in tune with your situation today try not to get too pushy with your opinions about how things should be done honor other people's perspectives and approaches mercury goes direct on the six putting to rest a lot of your worries about whether you said the right thing at the right time to the right person oh my gosh you'll still need to stay vigilant during the shadow period oh that's terrifying but you can rest a little easier knowing mercury's retrograde reign is finally over although there's a lot of astrological stuff going on but i think i thought that saying things to

the right people that was very very on the nose yeah so that is the story of paul michael stefani the weepy voiced killer and you guys seriously if you have like it's creepy but it's definitely listenable like you should go listen to it it's very creepy okay try. Try it out. All right. I'm going to play it for you after this. Okay. All right. That's all I got. All right. Thanks, guys. It's been so long.

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