And That's Why We Drink - E119 A Shadow Figure Selfie and Inappropriate Dream Journaling

Episode Date: May 12, 2019

Hey who hasn't conjured black pigs and flying monkeys to torment their neighbors? Join us for one of our favorite live shows from our friendship's hometown, Boston! Em takes on the ghosts of Salem and Christine brings us the wildly irreverent and murderous case of Jane Toppan. Christine also gets to drink from an extra ATWWD themed wine bottle... and that's why we drink!Please consider supporting the companies that support us!Get 500 high quality business cards for only $9.99 from Vista Print! Use code DRINK at vistaprint.comFor $80 off your first 4 boxes of Hello Fresh go to hellofresh.com/drink80Order your free home try-ons from Warby Parker today! Go to warbyparker.com/drinkGet 15% off your first Thirdlove order when you go to thirdlove.com/drink

Hi, Christine doesn't know what to say. I'm so sorry is all I have to say. We are apologizing and also being very excited at the same time. We, for several reasons, are not able to record an episode this week. So what we are going to do is post a live episode for you, but it's one of our favorites. It's the Boston show, one of the Boston shows that we did, the one at the City Winery, right? Yeah. And it's pretty good.

I like it. You do a little Salem action. It's pretty good. A little Salem action. And we usually don't do live shows back to back so quickly. I lasted all tour with no illness and was very proud of myself, a little too proud of myself. A little too early. I flew a little too close to the sun, you might say. And I came down with all sorts of fun cool things the past couple days. We did plan on recording an episode and then it takes a lot for Christine to be like I don't feel well enough to do this but I certainly got that text this week and so we are sorry that we're giving you so many live episodes in a row but they are for very good reasons on our end and we hope you enjoy them. Please do and please don't yell at me and I'm sorry. We're sorry. We're sorry. You can call my GI doctor if you need a doctor's note.

Or like anyone. My therapist too. Anyone. Any number of people. Or boys. Or therapists. Or that. Yeah.

Anyway. Okay. Thanks guys. We really like the show. So we hand selected it for you. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Okay. Enjoy. it for you. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, enjoy. So let's crack into that. Sorry. I feel like a kid that's about to give a presentation that he has no idea about. We just flew in from Los Angeles and boy are my arms tired. Fun fact, he was a wonton.

The reason? Listen, English is my first language. Fun fact, he was a wonton. No, listen. English is my first language. Is Tamara Holmes? Whoops. Sassy with me. Sassy the clown. The clown is shy. Oh, sweet.

Oh, sweet that boob. Finish your drink. And that's why we drink. Hello. Hi, Boston! I didn't expect the stage to be that close. I walked out and I was like, oh, fuck, they're all there. I was like, oh, boy, you're right here.

Hi, Boston. Oh, my God. This is so exciting. Oh my gosh. I think it's hitting me. Is it? Yeah. We were talking upstairs. For the people who got dragged here by your significant others. Sorry. First of all, sorry. Second of all. So we met in Boston. This is technically our hometown. But we actually weren't friends at all. But we co-existed in Boston together. We found out we lived across the street from each other. No clue? No idea?

Nope. And then it took us flying across the country to become friends. It took us a very lonely time in Los Angeles. I waited two and a half years until she got a dog, and I was like, I'll check it out now. I'll see what's up. That's the truth right there.

But we were just saying, this marks four and a half years of knowing each other now, and never thought we'd be on a stage together. It's very strange to be back in Boston in this capacity. Yes, on a stage at all. But also very exciting, so thank you for having us. Yes, and also, check out the little labels on these bottles. These are way cool.

They were like, sign these, and we were like, okay. Yeah, never happened before, so. This is the first time I've ever had wine out of it, and that's why we drink. I have had champagne out of a bottle with my face on it. You've had a lot of it and that's why we drink i have had champagne out of a bottle with my face on it but this is the you've had a lot of really great experiences but this is the first wine out of a specific and that's why we drink bottles so oh well don't watch cheers to everyone don't watch me i'm not actually like good at wine uh usually i just i beg to differ i think everyone here thinks you're great at wine i'm great at wine if it's in a cardboard box. Okay.

Alright. With that, I know I've been ready for Boston my whole life. So, let's crack into it. Yay! Oh, drink about that too, I guess. Drink about Let's Crack Into It.

Drink the one time I say it, yes. Wait, wait. Dramatic the one time I say it, yes. Wait, wait, dramatic effect. Do you like it? Did you like how professional that was? No. All right, here's what's going on, Boston, because I wanted to make sure that this was obviously a good story.

I mean, I can't do you wrong. So I don't think it would be right for me to come to Massachusetts about the paranormal and not discuss Salem. I am so shocked, but I'm very excited. I'm sorry it's not Boston, but I mean, come on, you've got Salem right next door. You were just teasing me.

So I looked at every ghost under the sun in Salem. And, fun fact, not only are ghosts kind of hard to find. Yes, everything's haunted. But because apparently the city of Salem is so proud about wanting to discuss the witch trials and they make witches the forefront of all their stories. Ghosts are actually really hard to come by and did you know that the town council of Salem actually tries to

limit the ghost stories that people know about. So this was really easy for me. Oh no. So I searched high and low for you and I tried calling every haunted building in Salem at least 25. Oh for God's sake. And I tried calling every haunted building in Salem, at least 25. Oh, for God's sakes.

And I was like, care to comment? And they were like, no. The town council said not to. Thanks, Salem. So this was me trying my best. And to make sure that you guys had a good time, I picked my three favorites. So you get three ghost stories. All right.

I'm Ant. Alright. And they all kind of weave into each other, which is fun. So, the first one, and please clap if you know it. Clap if you don't, because I have anxiety. Clap at everything. This is the Lyceum Hall.

Lyceum Hall? I feel like that was a pity clap. But it's okay. Em does this, and then later is like, well, you've all heard of it. And I feel like that was a pity clap But it's okay Em does this and then later is like well you've all heard of it And I'm like no you told them to clap no matter what Em Well one time I didn't say Clap no matter what And when I said the place no one clapped And I was like okay that's the rule now

Everyone's gotta clap It is terrible when there's just silence Well so Lyceum Hall actually is also now known today As Turner's Seafood I don't know I'm just gonna shoot information at you Well, so Lyceum Hall actually is also now known today as Turner's Seafood. I don't know. Yay. I'm just going to shoot information at you and you react however you want, but positively only.

I do love seafood. I'll be excited for you. Oh, good. Well, catch you there. Cool. Get it, get it, get it, get it. So the Lyceum, Lyceum? I don't know what I'm doing. Lyceum.

Thanks. Lyceum was built in 1831, and it was built with the intention to become a place of, quote, cerebral entertainment, which is what I call this podcast. I was about to make the same joke. I love it. So the hall hosted literary readings, discussions, and over a thousand lectures in just the first five years. Ooh, ah.

Lord. Lectures, yeah. Stimulating. Cerebral. So guests that came to this building, or to the hall, were Henry David Thoreau, Frederick Douglass, Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Alexander Graham Bell, just to name a few. So they were actually very intelligent people all coming to give really intelligent

lectures. Sure, just like this podcast. Yes. Yeah. I understand. I'm the next Ralph Waldo Emerson, actually. I'll be... Christine Thoreau. In 1877, this is actually also where Alexander Graham Bell did his first ever demonstration of the telephone.

Oh, you fancy, Boston. And for 100 years, it was a public hall for the Salem Lyceum Society. But then it was renovated in 1989, and it became Turner's Seafood Restaurant. So really devolved. Finally. 1989 and it became Turner's Seafood Restaurant. So really devolved. So way before it was actually considered even the hall, it was

the land of an apple orchard. Aww. Precious, right? Well, it gets fucked up. So there is a... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I almost missed a bullet. That was very important. So the orchard belonged to one of the most famous women in Salem history, so I'm told, and if no one in here knows her, I'm going to feel real dumb.

Her name is Bridget Bishop. Okay. Thanks for humoring me. So Bridget Bishop was the first woman accused of being a witch and executed during the trials. Well, there you go. Allegedly, she was promiscuous, amoral, flamboyant, married three different men, owned two taverns, and was a loud dresser.

I like her. She's a witch! two taverns and was a loud dresser. Ah! I like her. She's a witch! Well, that's what they thought. She's my hero. She was also known to flirt with men. Oh, no. So the wives didn't like her. No.

So she was already not really appreciated by the women of the community. In 1660, she married her first husband, and that's when they moved to Massachusetts Bay Colony. Four years later, he died, and so she remarried, and she married Thomas Oliver. Apparently, they fought a lot, and so badly that they ended up in court.

Another time, they actually got pulled into court again because Bridget was having foul language directed at her husband. So she got sued by the town. Her punishment for a potty mouth was to stand in the public market gagged. Stop it. And wearing a sign on her head that stated her crime stop which i hope said the bad word on it that's so fucked up so obviously she was not uh puritanical or not in the best standing with the area uh a couple years later her second husband died and she inherited his estate 10 acres of land

and two pigs nice oink oink and then uh but their kids only got 60 shillings to split amongst themselves and so everyone was like okay so maybe she's definitely a witch and cursed her husband and wanted his land so people are already looking for reasons to just hate her even more so she was suspected of cursing her husband to die and then in 1687 she was also uh found stealing brass and got arrested oh no so salem's like come on bridget there's what what won't you do at this point so by by the 1690s, she was married to Edward Bishop, the last name Bishop, and that was when she owned the apple orchard. So during the trials, Bridget was the most accused victim of all. Rumors went through the entire town that she was cursing and killing both animals and humans.

Oh, dear. My favorite rumor that someone came up with was that she, quote, conjured up demonic black-colored pigs and flying monkeys to torture the neighbors. Yes. I would love to hear that testimony in court. I wish someone made up that rumor about me. That's so fun. So the townspeople rallied together. They said it was true.

They were like, we all saw we saw that those flying monkeys we did and uh they also all said that they had been seeing bridget in their dreams which apparently means she was mind controlling right right right and uh bridget was like she was already not very well liked and her testimony apparently was shaky when they like the they were like what about those monkeys they were like give us proof that they don't exist and it's like what so uh oink oink so she was sentenced to death but oh for god's sake uh the whole i gave the whole background basically the apple orchard is the oldest thing that was on this site before it was Lyceum Hall or Turner Seafood.

So the ghosts of this property. Ooh, ah. Oh, what you came here for. Sorry. I just like to think everyone's really tuned in right now. We're hanging on to your every word. On the property today, people report seeing a woman in a long gown floating.

She's mainly seen... I'm sorry. I don't know why that was funny to me. I'm sorry. No. No, I liked it. I sometimes forget there's a microphone, so I'm like, I'm just going to do it really quietly,

and then I hear it echoing. Oh, yeah, she's floating, right she's mainly seen floating above the main staircase and gliding past doorways okay sometimes uh she is also seen from outside through the windows staring at you oh good and she's also seen in mirrors as herself or a misty figure. Mm. I don't like the mirror thing. That's very creepy. Yeah. I'm not a fan of it either.

No. Sometimes you can only see her reflection, but nobody is actually standing in front of the mirror to give a reflection. Oh, good. So you can be standing at the mirror. No one else is standing at the mirror, but there's two of you. Ooh. Two people. Uh-oh. You can be standing at the mirror. No one else is standing at the mirror, but there's two of you. Two people.

Uh-oh. So people often report smelling fresh, crisp apples throughout the house. That's nice. That's nice. I always like when the ghost is making things smell good. We've had cookies and pie. There was one we did a while ago where it was like a bread factory or something. Bread, that's right. But the whole place smelled like fresh, warm bread every day. I know. Stop

complaining. Tell me what's wrong with that. I love it. That house sounds better than not being haunted. Oh, absolutely. So, there are regular electrical issues with the house, such as the lights going off on and off, even when they're brand new. The lights never stay on. Technology off uh on and off even when they're brand new you just the lights

never stay on technology turns itself on and off by itself and people will see flashes of light shooting past them when nothing has caused it people have also seen light shooting past them in the middle of the night which is creepy to me um when asked who hanged you during an investigation, an EVP caught a spirit saying the name Mary, and Mary Walcott was one of the main women that testified against Bridget and helped put her to death. Great. On our favorite Ghost Adventures. God damn it, Em.

I swear. I'm never prepared for that. It was on TV today. Blaze didn't like that I turned it on. We compromised on the History Channel, like the alien show. Oh, that's a good compromise. It's still spooky.

It was fun. Oh, yeah. So Zach Bagel Bites. God damn it. He started smelling apples through the house he was like you smell apples yes yes

and then other people were like mmhmm yeah um uh huh but when they all were leaving the building they they did catch an EVP that says, come back here, which is nice and creepy. Oh dear.

And, uh, there is a rumor. So I wanted to bring, I know I said I'm doing three different locations and all of them kind of weave into each other because the Lyceum Hall slash Turner seafood, um, established 18, 1989.

Yeah. So they know that that is actually the property of the apple orchard, but there is a rumor going around that I don't know if it's actually talked about in tours or anything, but to give you an inside scoop, a rumor says that the actual site of her home is on a different property and not at the Lyceum Hall, but records in 1867 confirm that the Lyceum is where Bridget Bishop's orchard was. So if anyone tells you different, you tell them I sent you.

So the rumor says that the orchard is actually on the property of Hawthorne Hotel. And I found that out because I was heavily researching the Hawthorne Hotel. And I was like, well, I got all these notes, so I'm also going to tell that story. So the Hawthorne Hotel is a member of the Historic Hotels of America. Oh, my. And it is named after Salem-born Nathaniel Hawthorne. Oh, I know that guy.

Fun fact about him. Oh, for God's sakes. After he graduated college, he changed his name to Hawthorne from Haythorne. All right, all right. He didn't want to be associated with his great-great-grandfather, Judge Haythorne, who helped find victims of the trials guilty. Oh, shit. I feel like if you really wanted to distance yourself,

you could have done more than just add a W. You could have changed one fucking letter. Changed your name. Yeah, so his great-great-grandfather was actually known as the quote, witch-hanging judge. And he was like, I don't need that. Nobody needs that.

So in 1923, people wanted a a quote modern hotel for the business traveler in the area and apparently people wanted it pretty desperately because in a matter of like two weeks a thousand citizens sold half a million dollars worth of their own stocks to raise the funds for this hotel. What the fuck? Sorry. No, but really, I've never known a whole community be like, we need a hotel this bad. But we live here. Right. We don't... Maybe I don't get it, but

maybe all their relatives were coming in at the same time, and they're like, we gotta get this done. Not in my house, Sharon. So, the hotel opened in 1925 with a parade and a flag-raising ceremony. Wow. It was a very elite hotel with notable guests

such as Bette Davis, President Bush... Betty Davis. Betty Davis, damn it. This has happened... This is the third time this has happened. I know. I don't know why I can't figure out her name. It's because you used Bette Midler.

Remember, we've had this conversation. Oh, we have. Guys, usually this is where I'd say, Eva, edit that out. But it's unscripted. We're going to say it anyway. Eva, cut it. So, Bette Davis and President Bush, Walter Cronkite, Colin Powell, President Clinton, Robert De Niro, and Jennifer Lawrence

have all stayed there. Wow, that's quite an array of people. And a range of time as well. Yeah. Because you start with some people you don't see in the news these days.

So, actors have also lived here while filming movies and TV. And the TV show Bewitched has filmed two episodes here. That's cool. And the cast and crew also stayed in the hotel

while they were filming. We should have stayed there. I don't know if we're bewitched status, but yeah, we should have tried. So in 1990, I couldn't find any more information about this, but this is what I would want to do a whole story on. In 1990, the hotel held a seance to contact Harry Houdini. What? Like, why wouldn't you tell us more?

That's it. That's it. That's all I found. I googled the shit out of that. There's no footnote? Found nothing. No! Well, it probably didn't work.

Otherwise, they probably would have written a little more. Right. I don't even know if he showed up. I have nothing. So in 2007, Sci-Fi, or as my dad likes to say the siffy channel the siffy um they had the ghost hunters do an investigation there um and as for the ghosts in the hotel uh-huh uh spirits are seen on the sixth floor appearing out of thin air and disappearing cool ghostly cries people's shoulders are tapped and headboards are knocked on. Oh, yeah.

That's creepy. Especially when you're sleeping and it's like right next to you. Right above your head. Items in the lobby will move on their own, including heavy items like furniture. Reports of an apparition of... Are there reports of an apparition of a woman walking up to door

612 and then looking at you and then fading away? Cool. Great. She also apparently looks concerned, so I don't like that she's concerned and looking at you. She's like... And then she's like, bye, I can't help you. And then she's like, even I can't handle this. Too much.

too much so inside room 612 if you dare people will feel nauseous when they go in and they will feel the entire time that they're being stared down good uh lights will flicker on and off on their own no matter how new the fixtures are faucets in the bathrooms will turn on and off by themselves sometimes running all day or night if guests aren't actually in there to notice and turn it off and extreme love there are extreme levels of being cold when people are trying to sleep specifically so some people have thought that that's so they can keep you up to like taunt you more that's just rude um oh yeah people feel like they're being touched while laying in bed gross oh i'm that too you know that um people feel their shoulders getting held

and their hair and clothing being pulled on. Did someone say kinky? Well. Homie, it's not that kind of show yet. Hang on. Yet? Yet? Drink more wine.

I don't know. So, I don't know. So apparently kinky things also happen also reports of people there are reports of people laying in bed feeling that the covers are slowly being pulled off them

or getting ripped off very fast no I think I'd rather the ripped off fast because otherwise yeah the it's like you have to like

that's like a horror movie. Yeah, every second is just suspense I don't want. There's an uncomfortable silence in the halls and rooms that have been quoted on TripAdvisor as What? The entire floor was

quiet, not a peaceful quiet, dead silent, like we were the only two living souls. People will complain about anything. It is too quiet in this hotel. And for that, two stars. Add some fucking noise. God, I don't understand people, I swear.

So, the staff will also have the job to rearrange furniture when an event goes on, but when they come back into the room, all the furniture has gone back to where it originally was, and then they get in trouble with their boss because it looks like they didn't do their job. That's just terrible. Or they just didn't do the job, and they're like, it was a ghost. Right, right, right.

That's fair. That's me at a hotel. That's me as a boss, though. If someone said the ghost did it, I'd be like, oh, shit. Well, you're off the hook then. Well, we should all quit, I guess. Babies are heard crying in the middle of the night, but it's also too quiet. It's so quiet you can hear the babies perfectly.

Children of guests will ask about the babies and the little kids that they see and hear in their room oh well okay whenever a live little child is reporting on an invisible little child it's always just the worst yes it's um so i guess they have a restaurant in the building called nathaniel's and there is a pirate ship wheel that will move on its own and it's not supposed to oh um and apparently if you try to hold it still and keep it from turning it will act like it's not moving and then as soon as you walk away it'll just start turning again just to piss you off um people have felt someone sitting on their beds at night which is always fun good and then here's a quote from someone possibly from trip advisor i don't remember let's say it is i like to say it

is let's pretend yeah uh around 2 45 in the morning i heard someone using our bathroom the toilet sound like flushing. I heard someone using our bathroom. The toilet sounded like it was flushing. And the running water lasted a few moments and then quickly shut off all on its own. It seemed like the light was also on, but I just rolled over and expected my husband to come back to bed.

But when I rolled over, he was already lying next to me. Dun-dun-dun. And that's that that on that story i didn't get any more information we talked about this yesterday but there was a hotel we stayed in the other day where i heard m coughing like oh yes and has a very particular uh throat clear throat clear and um i was in bed like doing notes and i heard the throat clear and i was like, oh, I miss Em. And they were on the other side of the wall so I texted them like, oh, I just heard you clear your throat.

Makes me miss you. Hope you're doing well over there. And then I get a text back that says, I'm downstairs. And I was like, but of course I didn't fucking believe you so I ran into the hallway with no pants on but that's's it was urgent

that's a story for another day I ran into the hallway with no pants on and Eva came out because I was probably making a lot of noise or she just knew she's like Christine needs help I can sense Christine doesn't have pants and is in public they don't say it's my job

but it is Eva put that on your zip recruiter They don't say it's my job, but it is. Eva, put that on your zip recruiter. Yeah, and I see M coming from the other side of the hallway, and I was like, no, literally right there, you were coughing and clearing your throat, and it kept happening, and I was like, you're full of shit.

But no, you weren't. So anyway, Christine keeps putting me in haunted fucking hotels. Yeah, I feel bad about i feel because that was the third time in this week in the third yeah a third individual hotel where i was like this place is haunted yeah she's like no it's not and then the one hotel where i don't say it's haunted all of a sudden she hears coffin in an empty room yeah so karma so uh oh yeah here we are so guests have also reported waking up to two little girls in their room in the middle of the night cool staring at you i feel like i'm complaining about you

coughing in another room and then it's like girls are showing up like you're lucky that's all i'm complaining seriously uh yeah so the little girls will either walk around or play or stare at you. No. But no matter what, they vanish. Thank God. In front of you. Personal items like keys and phone chargers will move from one nightstand to the other without you having done anything at all.

You just turn around and they're not where you put them. That's odd. People also report having sleep paralysis while sleeping in these rooms. No, I don't like that one. In room 325, which is supposedly the most haunted room, one group brought

a Ouija board. Cool. Great. Good. And it said a whole lot of stuff, but the most important takeaway is that it spelled at the end I'm not leaving. And then the planchette flew up to the ceiling and stayed there. You can't make me, Mom.

Right. Clearly, that is the ghost of a 12-year-old. Yeah. So that is that for the Hawthorne Hotel. But I got one last one for you, which is the Witch House. Witch House? That one sounded more genuine yay i'm so ready on up okay so um it's also known as the jonathan corwin house okay and uh it is the only

surviving structure with direct links to the salem witch trials and one of the most haunted places in massachusetts oh my so oh it is said that although the witches may not have actually lived there, the witches, by the way, the witches. Yeah. Allegedly. The alleged witches may not have lived there themselves, but they might haunt the house these days because it was especially, it should especially be haunted by Bridget from our prior story, the apple orchard. I remember Bridget.

Bridget. That's what I call her. Bebish. She supposedly is the one that haunts it the most since she was the first of 19 victims. So in 1642, the house was built and it was actually the home, not of the witches, but of Judge Jonathan Corwin during the Salem Witch Trials, and he was a bad dude. Good. Great. So he presided over the trials and was actually the one that said whether or not they were going to be put to death.

But it's not the Haythorne guy, right? No. Hawthorne. Yeah. Well, yeah. Oh, I see what you're saying now. I remember. There was a judge who was –

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A different judge. Different saying i remember there's a judge who was okay yeah different judge different judge okay okay good good job i'm just pretending like i know what's going on no you knew better than me i was like what the it's hawthorne and then i was like oh yeah you're right um so we've moved from the hawthorne house so he's not i see i see around anymore he's gone okay he's kaput so cool um yeah so jonathan corwin he was the another judge who decided whether or not they were going to be put to death and he also allegedly tortured them while they were on trial um one of the types of torture i found was the coffin cells where like they're standing cages oh god damn. And you can't sit or move. And they were in the dungeon.

And then when the tide would come in, like all the city sludge and rats and everything would. Stop it. Would hit you. And you had to just stand there for months. And that's that on that. Did you have fun laughing earlier though? Yeah. Because.

It's going to get real quiet. Because it doesn't always end happy. No. So they also think that the house might have been cursed from the beginning because when corwin was living there eight of his 10 children died before child or before adulthood um so it said that i know what everyone's laughing at you so i didn't laugh though i didn't i heard it i heard it i want to make a point that i was very straight-faced that entire time. Thank you.

Thank you. It's that. Those. Yes, the children made it to childhood. So, the, yeah, so, only two of them survived to adulthood. And so, it's pretty well allegedly understood that the eight kids also haunt the house. Oh, dear. Okay.

So it's just a house of kids and witches. Very scary things. Eva, that sounds like a movie. Write that down, please. In 1697, Corwin died, and the family kept his body in the cellar for several years because they were afraid that the town would vengefully dismember his corpse. Hey, how do you have that conversation?

Like, hey, so you think his arms are going to be pulled off, right? Let's just let them decompose on their own in our house. That's the most fucked up thing I ever heard. Okay, so they kept him there for several years before being buried. Cool. The legend also says that some of the interrogations of the accused witches happened in the dining room of the home. And those kind of go hand in hand with the allegations that there was torture in the dungeon. Great.

Records show that this was probably not true, but there are at least 11 deaths that did occur in the house while the Corwins lived there. And only eight of their kids died, so that leaves three. So, I don't know. Only eight, yeah. Yeah, right, I know. So, since 1948, the house has been a museum for the Salem Witch Trials. Cool. And the ghosts there are pretty cool.

Thanks, Dad. Can't wait to hear about it they're out of this world so god uh so some of the first things that people regularly notice are temperature drops where they feel icy hands touching the back of them cool people hear the voices of children laughing crying or just talking um equipment will drain even on a fresh battery and kids have been heard running around um there are pictures of apparitions so if you take a picture and it's like you and me there would be a like a random shadow figure standing next to us in some of the pictures. That would be really cool, though, if that happened. Selfie. There are, oh yeah, people sense cold hands hugging you, grabbing you, pressing on your shoulders and backs,

and playing with your hair. No, no, no, no. Kinky. Remember that joke? Kinky. I'm just stealing other people's jokes. I'm just now aware of every time I say hair pulling on stage. I mean, to be fair, I'm glad someone said it the first time you did it. Right.

Because now we know. Now everyone's thinking the same thing. We know. So construction workers were talking about the history of the building when they were working in the house. And one of them made fun of Bridget. What an asshole. Why? Oh, because I gasped.

I was like, asshole wasn't on the list. It should be, but it wasn't. So they were making fun of Bridget, and she was like, no, you didn't. And so several boxes were thrown at them from the top floor, and nobody was up there. But they just remember seeing boxes just fly down the stairs at them. So bagelel Bites. Yes.

My ex. Your ex, Soul Flame. I don't know. Sorry, Blaze is here tonight. Hi, Blaze. Love you. See, Blaze? People clap louder for you than for Zach Baggins.

Don't worry. What's it like knowing that your biggest competition, Blaze, is Zach Bagel Bites? Listen, I'm still mad about it. We'll talk later. So, since they were in Salem, he decided to do a very him thing to do. Uh-huh.

Great. And he invited a warlock to come to the investigation. Blaze would never do that, see chose the more the more logical one yes i'm sorry wait wait wait so i mean a warlock is just a warlock is a male witch as far as i know okay okay so he thought you know wow and i guess if you're i don't want to give him credit but at the same time it's like what i don't know i'm gonna sound stupid give him credit i want to hear it no if he if when in salem i think he just wanted to invite a witch onto the show to do stuff with but then the all the witches but then all the witches that he talked to were like oh there's this one guy named christian day and you have to get him on the show and none of us he's a warlock named christian yeah tell me

more i have so many questions go figure so but so this is where you can laugh because he invited the warlock to come do a ritual that would invite the spirits right so like to make matters worse right did they did the guy the guy went he went yeah okay um part of the ritual which i i am not judging anyone's belief so part of the ritual for inviting spirits is that a human skull would be involved so kinky what so uh so part of the ritual involved a human skull and apparently uh in when the skull was once inside a human face the the man's name was robert so we call the skull robert what did this person consent to this they must have i didn't ask i I hope so we're gonna say yes so the but the thing that like I had never seen

this ritual before but apparently you have to pass the skull around and look into its eye sockets and it just really I was not expecting it

so what in the world I just kept hearing like look at Robert and it's like poor Robert god damn imagine being robert and you just see zach baggins face going like he didn't get those cool giant glasses right right so anyway

that was the after that we didn't see him again it was i think just to invite the spirits i'm sure okay then the rest of the episode goes as usual, and they do a spirit box session where you know I love a good spirit box to anyone who listens. Yes. And these are things that, like, as far as I'm concerned, don't ask Blaze because he's, like, he's very logical about this stuff. But I'm a big believer in the spirit box, so I pretty much take that as I see it.

So some of the questions that they were able to get during this investigation via spirit box was when they said, he literally asked, what is the name of the skull in this room? But the spirit box said Robert. Ooh, creepy. They said, explain that, Blaze. Wow, I'm sorry. I'm being a real real jerk today love you he also said he also asked what is the name of the warlock here and the spirit box picked up the name and said christian

no i don't like that uh he also asked can you say one of our names in the room and the spirit box said which one they he asked he asked how did you die and the spirit box said, which one? He asked, how did you die? And the spirit box showed the word hanged. Oh, dear. And then he asked, what is your name? And the spirit box said, Bridget. Oh, damn. And then he said, what is your last name?

And the spirit box said, Bishop. Really? Then he said, did you actually practice witchcraft? And they got an EVp of something either saying i did or i didn't because didn't didn't kind of sound so close to each other we still don't know so uh but also uh one thing i forgot to mention because i was just like re-brought back to the whole skull fiasco one of the during that scene right when they were about to start the ritual uh he had the spirit box uh running in his

pocket and it started shouting words at him oh god um and he apparently he didn't want to distract or disrespect the ritual and so he turned the machine off but they weren't really paying attention at the time they just heard the machine talking a lot and so they went back later at the end of the show and went back to the footage of the ritual where he turned the machine off because it kept talking and the only word it kept saying over and over again was apple apple apple creepy so those are all the salem stories I have for you. Oh my god, the apple thing really got me there. Yeah. Especially like a Microsoft Sam

version of apple, apple. Okay, well that's my ghost stories for you, Boston. Yay, thank you, Em. This is a story about murder so get ready oh yeah we love it this my friends is the story of jane toppin right i was about to say i forgot to tell you to cheer even if you didn't know it. Well, they knew it. They knew it good. Yeah. Two people maybe are Jane Topp.

I don't know. I don't know who they are. Okay, so let's jump into it. Nope, crack into it. That's what we say. Right. I'm trying to spare your livers. Okay.

Jane Toppin was born as Anora Kelly in Boston, Massachusetts on August 17th, 1854 unfortunately her mother died of tuberculosis when she was very young and her father was known to drink heavily and be very abusive he was nicknamed they started clapping before the last

half of that sentence that's why I said it real fast he was nicknamed kelly the crack and wikipedia thinks i'm stupid and was like quote or parentheses as in crackpot and i was like thank you wikipedia so thank you wikipedia cool great so kelly the crackpot not much better um anyway uh so not much is known of his later years, although local rumor was that while... Oh, no.

Oh, no. We're literally on bullet number two, so good luck. While working as a tailor, his madness finally drove him to sew his own eyelids closed. What? Holy shit. I said sorry. We got there fast today. Yeah. usually we wean into a little bit

i wrote these like a week ago and i look just now and the third bullet just says yuck and then and then i hit enter oh no but i still mean every word yuck so sideed his own eyes shut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where we left off, in case you forgot. Yeah, ouch. Not good. In 1863, a few years after his wife's death, Jane's father dropped six-year-old Jane and her older sister Delia, who was eight, off at the Boston Female Asylum, known as an orphanage for indigent female children.

Oh. Good job, Boston. We've improved since then. We'd like to think so. They never saw their father again. Jane's sister Delia reportedly became a sex worker and their other sister who hadn't originally been sent to the orphanage

with them was sent to an asylum a few years later under different circumstances. But meanwhile, Jane became an indentured servant for the Toppin family in Lowell, Massachusetts. Oh my god, we love indentured servants! Yay!

But yes, Lowell is really I hear it's just great. I say that about every town that people cheer about. It's beautiful. I hear it's just great. I say that about every town that people cheer about. It's beautiful. I hear it's beautiful. So why do I tell them that part? I don't know.

I don't know. You keep doing it. I don't know. I can't stop myself. So indentured servitude was very common back then. It was a way for people to, people to commit to a few years of work while also paying for their food and their living quarters. I mean, there's a reason it doesn't exist anymore,

so let's move on. Sure. I also want to specify that at this point, while she's an indentured servant, she is eight years old. Oh. Wow. Okay. So although she wasn't formally adopted by the Toppins,

she adopted their last name, and the mother of the family, Anne, changed Jane's name from Anora, which I've just been calling her Jane to make it easier, but her name was technically Anora. Anne changed Jane's name to Jane because she had a self-professed dislike of the Irish and wanted to tell people Jane was actually Italian.

Oh. So that's was actually Italian. Oh. So that's nice and healthy. Yeah. Super good. The Toppins also had a daughter named Elizabeth, and she and Jane became very close friends. They were sort of foster sisters, so they kind of grew really close as they grew up. And when Jane was 16, so she's been with them for about eight years now, she was jilted by her boyfriend, who, oh God, we're back at Lowell, Massachusetts.

Okay. So she was jilted by an office worker from the beautiful town of Lowell, Massachusetts, who gave her a promise ring, but then moved to Holyoke and fell in love with someone else. Uh-oh. Yikes. After the breakup, Jane attempted suicide twice, went through a period of odd... Yep, terrible.

Went through a period of odd behavior that included efforts to predict the future through analysis of her dreams. Okay, but I was going to say, that's you. When I was 13, I was already trying to do that. Yeah. When I was 13, I was, like, already trying to do that. Yeah. Also, we've learned this thing now. Can we teach them this?

Oh, yeah, this is my secret. Don't tell them my secret. Listen, I've been working on lucid dreaming, and to check your reality, you're supposed to put your finger through your hand. And so I do it, and it works in my dreams. I can become lucid. And so now I walk around, and every time, time like M's annoying me or something's happening,

I'm like, get me out. All of a sudden she'll do this and she's like, can I fly away from this? And then I look at her and I'm like, I'm right here. We're stuck in this rental car in New Jersey and you cannot get out. This is my little trick, but sometimes i'll be talking to blaze and he'll be like christine stop and i'll be like well also now now she's like basically like just put it in me and eva's brain and so now whenever something happens and we aren't we just without thinking or doing this yeah and at one point all three of us were doing it at the same time we were

like oh we we should just enjoy this reality. We should just be okay with it. I was like, we haven't slept in eight days, so that probably explains what's going on here. Every now and then, we kind of forget what's going on, and we're like, okay, we're okay. We're okay. We're here. It's fine. We're all alive.

So, yeah. So, you know, we are a lot weirder than Jane was at this point. Jane isn't doing this, right? Jane's just trying to, like, journal about her dreams, and apparently that was inappropriate. So on her 18th birthday, Jane was finally freed from her indentured servitude. At what age? Sorry. 18.

Okay. And she was given $50. Yay. For all of those years of work? Well, so it was in exchange for like growing up in a home. So she was like a foster child, but like she had to be a servant to live there. It was fucked up. But it was also like an unpaid internship.

Right. It was like for the experience. Right. It was for living under a roof because you're eight years old and apparently you don't deserve to live under a roof unless you're a slave. I don't know. It just doesn't add up up times have changed and i like it yes yes so she was finally freed from the indentured servitude and given 50 dollars but she's decided to stay working for her foster sister elizabeth who was also a really close friend of hers until 1885 that was when she she was 31. So she, from 8 to 31,

was, like, working for the family and or Elizabeth. And at age 31, in 1885, she decided it was time to make her own career for herself. So she began training to be a nurse at Cambridge Hospital. Yeah. Woo. Okay. Nope.

You never know which one's gonna land and which one's going to get a huh. Yikes. Okay. She was super popular and had a lot of friends, kind of like me. Okay. No. No. Laces in the back going, God damn it. God damn it. Right. So she was super cool and popular and fun must be nice um that's it we're back in the right yeah we're back in the right yeah

correct timeline um and apparently which they didn't mention earlier but they brought it up now is that this was very different from her earlier early years when she had apparently been described as, quote, brilliant and terrible. That is like you. Yeah. Thank you. Oh my god. That's so nice. But apparently, when she started nursing school, she was like, no, I'm going to change my

attitude. I'm going to make friends. I'm going to be cool and fun. And apparently it worked. Oh, good for her. They gave her the nickname Jolly Jane. That's how apparently it worked so oh good for her they gave her the nickname jolly jane that's how well it worked apparently all right um however she did have a bizarre morbid obsession with autopsies uh that troubled her medical supervisors you're you're really describing yourself yeah between the dreams and the really into it's hitting home a little bit i don't love it uh yeah she typically had elderly

and sick very sick patients um and she would like pick her favorites and then spend a lot of time with them um and later evidence showed that she would falsify charts uh in an effort to prolong the stay of her patients that she really liked which nope that's not how that works okay she would be like no they're still super sick because i want to hang out with them more oh boy yeah not good not a good start um and then okay it gets way worse okay just don't say i didn't buckle up yep buckle up don't say i didn't warn you um then she would use her favorite patients as guinea pigs in experiments with morphine and atropine i asked blaze how to say that and i said it right so you're welcome thanks blaze thanks blaze our technical

advisor our just advisor yeah anything um she would alter their prescribed doses to see what it did to their nervous systems for fun. To her favorite people? Yeah, yeah. So she would pick... Yes! I know that's not the thing I should be thinking about, but also it's like the ones you call friends. No, but it is, yeah.

She'd like them extra, so they would be the ones that she experimented on. Like they're deserving the most? Yeah. Ooh, okay. Really fucked up. It just gets worse, so don't worry. Okay.

Although she was known as Jolly Jane, she was also known to say that there was no use in keeping her elderly patients alive. But apparently most people in the hospital just took it as a joke. What? I feel like in a hospital, that's the one place you don't get to joke about that. Listen, usually I don't drink during my story, but you've got to say something funny for a minute. Thank you.

I'm very talented. I'm glad people clapped so I didn't have to say anything funny. I was like, woo, that's a lot of pressure. No, I'm not going to do it. Okay. We're back. What? Okay. Sure. okay we're back what okay um sure where are we i don't know okay so perhaps right so she's like i don't know why i have to keep elderly people alive and they were like oh silly jolly jane right that darn jane hilarious jokes so full of jokes um perhaps disturbing, sometimes she got into bed with her patients as they drifted in and out of...

Kinky, God damn. I didn't say that. I didn't say it. Someone else said it. I just repeated it. Eva, cut that part out. Yikes. Okay.

Sometimes she even got in bed with her patients as they drifted in and out of unconsciousness. Consciousness? Unconsciousness. Well, both, I guess. I mean, if you're in and out, I guess, yeah. Yeah, yeah, drift in between. Nope. Okay.

I'm still here. Good. Great. Okay. So she was then recommended for the prestigious Massachusetts General Hospital in 1889. Ooh, wow, very impressive. She claimed several more victims there before being fired the following year. It is unclear why, but I think that she's given us plenty of evidence.

So I'm not going to question that. I have a hunch. I have a hunch. I feel like even just nowadays, if you were like, why should I keep this old person alive? It's like, you probably shouldn't be a nurse. Right. But, I don't know, things were different back then. She briefly returned to Cambridge after she was fired from Mass General,

but she was fired from Cambridge for recklessly administering opiates. Okay. Because she had been fired from multiple hospitals, she decided to make the next logical step of becoming a private nurse. Oh, no. But she couldn't because she had been fired. So she forged some paperwork

and decided that was enough to get her a job. And it worked. So she flourished as a private nurse. Flourished. I didn't choose that word. Wikipedia did. Despite regularly being accused of petty theft. I don't know. word. Wikipedia did. Despite regularly being accused of petty theft. I don't know. This girl's all over the place.

According to the article I read What? Wikipedia? Wikipedia? I maybe clicked a footnote and then opened that. According to the article I read Jane began her poisoning spree in earnest in 1895 and i'm like great okay so now it's finally actually starting right earnest right kicking

it into gear the last 10 years just kind of wishy-washy but now she's fucking committed yikes so her first victims during her earnest poisoning spree were her landlord, Israel Dunham, and his wife. She later explained that Israel was getting too old and feeble and fussy, so she killed him, though it was initially thought to be a heart attack by doctors. Oh. Oh, oh, oh. Dramatic fold of the paper. I didn't realize there was a staple, and I kept pulling on it, and I was like, I'm doing something wrong.

Yikes. Okay. In one case, a family complained to a local doctor that they thought Jane had stolen some clothes from their dead grandmother's house, but the doctor vigorously defended her as one of the finest women and best nurses he had ever met. But it never occurred to any of them that not only had she stolen clothes from the woman, she had also killed her to begin with.

Right, right. We're just ignoring that. They were like, I think she's stealing clothes from our dead grandma. It's like, well, she also killed grandma. Small potatoes. Yes. It's okay. Just never occurred to anyone.

I was actually thinking that during your story when you were like, yeah she was accused of cursing her husbands and i'm like but nobody ever thought like well maybe she killed them but no no no right it was a witch curse it wasn't right i don't know i mean she was also like saying like dirty words around him so she was just she was doing all the wrong terrible terrible personrible, terrible person. Right. A couple years later, in August of 1899, Jane went on vacation to a rented cottage on Cape Cod, which is something that she had been doing for several years. Yeah, woo, ow, Cape Cod. This time, though, she invited her foster sister, Elizabeth, to join her. They were very close, so Elizabeth was thrilled to go spend time with Jane. Little did Elizabeth know that Jane had apparently harbored a secret resentment toward her ever since childhood.

Oh, no. Feeling like the unwanted secondary daughter who had to know her place at all times. Oh, no. In any case, a few days after Elizabeth arrived, her husband, whose name was Oramel, I don't know. There's a reason some names aren't used anymore. Oramel. I don't know. There's a reason some names aren't used anymore. Her husband Oramel got a telegraph telling him that his wife was seriously ill.

By the time he made his way out there, she was in a coma, and she ultimately died with both her husband and her loving foster sister Jane holding hands at her bedside. It's just fucked up. Jane then decided that she wanted to marry Oramel I thought that might be where we were going and I don't like it not good Oramel

that's what I thought but then I was like but also caramel so it's a terrible combination it's all bad so she decided to dose his food with morphine to make him just sick enough so she could nurse him back to health and win his affections oh my and then he was like no thank you i'm ready to go home that didn't that didn't go well so he was like no i'm not interested

also my wife did just died stop and she uh decided to give herself morphine, but admittedly later, she said only enough to send her to the hospital. Not to, like, kill herself. She just wanted to, you know, put herself in the hospital and be like, look what you've done. Right, right. So shortly after her sister's funeral, Jane decided it was time to make a move on another scheme she had been working on. For several years, she had been friendly with a woman named Myra Connors, who worked at St. John's Theological School at Cambridge. Love it. I hear it's beautiful.

I was going to say, no Cambridge fans. Got it. Noted. Never say it again. Got it. Thank God. If people from Harvard were listening to this, I'd feel really bad about myself. Okay. Not smart enough. Okay.

At the funeral, Jane happened to mention to myra's wait did i tell you about how she killed her no not yet cool someone's dead that's all we know now who's dead no nobody's dead i haven't no spoilers get me out so she was friends with this lady named myra um but their friendship had an ulterior motive at least on jane's part because it always seems to yeah jane doesn't really do things for the sake of being a kind person right she has she has other plans so jane knew that myra's job came with an apartment a maid servant and a paycheck, whereas her own didn't. So one day, Myra Connors suddenly died. I'm surprised.

Shock. Thank you. Thank you. What? Who saw that coming? No one. She died of a case of... Oh, fucking hell, Christine.

Why'd you write that? Okay. Of a case of peritonitis. Sure. That mysteriously got worse when her friend Jane came to nurse her back to health. Mm-hmm. At the funeral, now we're there. We're back at the funeral.

We've come full circle, I see. God damn it. At the funeral, Jane happened to mention to Myra's boss that it was so sad that Myra died right when she had been planning a sabbatical. And did you know that she had also planned to recommend Jane to fill in for her? Oh. Jesus Christ.

So the dean was like, oh, well, if Myra wanted you to take the job, I guess that makes sense for you to take the job. She played coy for a while and then basically declared that she owed it to Myra to take the job she played coy for a while and then basically declared that she owed it to myra to take the job oh my despite how tragically sad she felt unfortunately for her though um she really underestimated how much work this job would be did a fucking terrible job apparently was like almost immediately fired and they were like i don't know why myra said you

could do this you're not good at it um and so that really did not go over well when she was fired um in fact it did not go over well in nope it didn't it what happened christine i'm trying i'm trying to think that listen i english is not my first language so sometimes say it in german what happened don't you dare do that to me okay um so i'll just read what i wrote maybe that'll be good in fact she so didn't take it well that sounds right yeah that two years later she went back to the scene of her latest victory which was the cape cod cottage um which she had been renting out and it was actually it actually belonged to a man named alden davis and his family um and she'd been renting it out for

since 1896 so she moved in to take care of alden after the death of his wife uh whom jane had murdered so here's what happened so jane was renting this cottage but she wasn't keeping up with the rent so alden's wife maddie came to cambridge to collect the rent from jane so jane was like here have a cocktail oh yeah great killed her with a cocktail of morphine and atropine um at the funeral the davises asked jane if she'd be willing to please stay at the house and help take care of alden because his wife died and he's having a hard time so jane said of course just for you i'll stay at the house um oh also the 500 that she had given for the rent mysteriously vanished out of the lady's pocket so sure yeah um so jane happily stayed with them

occasionally setting fires around the house like for fun yes okay literally for fun and she would invent a mysterious stranger to blame the fires on why not i guess it's better than murdering people but then she got bored of setting fires and went back to murdering people so it didn't last long within the next couple weeks jane killed alden's two daughters minnie and edna and finally alden himself oh no so she killed an entire healthy family in less than a month yeah horrifying so minnie was the youngest daughter and she had just been married and her father-in-law actually was the one who apparently he like knew the prince of cuba so that was weird um but so he was like i'm a lot of twists and turns here believe me believe me i know i was writing these notes just very confused

uh so she so he the father-in-law was was like, something is fishy about this. Got the, like, prince of Cuba to intervene. You know, how you do that. And they decided to get a toxicology report, which they did. And lo and behold, the report found that Minnie had been poisoned by morphine and atropine. Ooh, that'll do it. So finally, local authorities were like, okay, Jane did this, and put a police detail on her. So on October 29th, 1901, Jolly Jane was arrested for murder, and by 1902, she confessed to her lawyer that she had killed at least 31 people, perhaps as many as 100, she wasn't sure. Perhaps. Like, ballpark.

Yeah. Yeah. 31 to 100. Yeah yeah just pick a number it was all a blur apparently she said 31 for sure and then she wasn't sure about the rest then after that she like guesstimated yeah yeah okay that's awful yeah terrible so as for the actual number, there had been no accurate list of her hospital victims. Like nobody had actually compiled a list. And the other weird thing was that a lot of New England families wanted to avoid the scandal. I guess that's not weird.

That sounds pretty normal. A lot of New England families didn't want to be a part of the scandal. So they refused official requests for exhumations and autopsies. So it's kind of unclear. Even if she admitted to killing someone, the family wouldn't agree to an autopsy. So there's like no real proof beyond her confession. So it's not confirmed technically. As for her motive, Jane claimed she started her killing spree because her boyfriend dumped her at age 16.

If she had just stuck with writing her dreams down, maybe. That's what i did and i'm i mean are you a murderer i think not a murderer that's all that i drink a lot but that's okay i don't know oh yeah so she also explained to the press if if I had been a married woman, I probably wouldn't have killed all those people. Oh, my God. Yikes. I would have had my husband, my children, and my home to take up my mind. But your mind was just so vastly empty.

You went to murder 31 to 100 people. Wild. Nobody else filled it for her. An article in the Hoosier State Chronicles, published shortly after her arrest, reported that Jane would... Oh, boy. Forgot about this part.

Cool. Get ready. Reported that Jane would fondle her victims as they died. What? And that she would attempt to see the inner workings of their souls through their eyes. Much like when Zach looks into Robert's skull.

I mean, that's what I think of now. That's the crossover of these stories. You really ruined that. Just that picture in my brain will never go away. She explained that her life goal, this isn't a direct quote, her life goal was to have killed more people, helpless people, than any

other man or woman who ever lived of all the goals but if she had been married none of that would have happened right she would have another goal yeah um however there seemed to be other motives to her crimes for example she reportedly poisoned one housekeeper just enough to make her appear drunk so that she could steal her job and then killed the family. Which I was like, that seems like the same motive. She's just murdering people.

I don't know. She was also known to poison herself to evoke the sympathy of the men she was courting. Aw, yeah, so nice. So romantic. Anything for love. Kinky? Yikes. When she was questioned after her arrest,

Jane stated that she derived a sexual thrill from patients being near death which actually i read is extremely rare in women serial killers it's usually there's other motives like material motives usually for women um and so it's very rare for like the sexual thrill it's more typically um male serial killers that's more yeah fun fact we told you they're not fun, so don't blame me. She said she got a sexual thrill from patients being near death,

then coming back to life, and then dying again. Yikes. Terrible. Jane administered a drug mixture to the patients that she chose as her victims. Then she would lay with them

and hold them close to her as they died. That's so gross. Yeah, it's fucking horrible. This one I can't wrap my head around either. Some hospital attendants testified that they remembered her calling them into her room, into the room of the patient that she was seeing, and smiling, saying,

Get some morphine, dearie, and we'll go out in the ward. You and I will have a lot of fun seeing them die. And I'm just thinking like again with the flying monkeys, these people show up to testify and they're like, yeah, well, I haven't brought it up until now, but couldn't you have? She said we were going to watch them die in the hospital.

She made another joke too earlier about old people dying and it's fine. I feel like people should have put them together. Yeah, you'd think. She was just very funny, I guess. I don't know. Sounds hilarious. Everyone in this hospital had a really fucked up sense of humor.

Yeah, maybe that's what it was. Maybe that's what it was. So there's one patient named Amelia Finney, and she survived Jane's care, quote unquote, and testified that Jane once got into bed with her after medicating her. Apparently, Jane stroked and kissed her face, telling her it would all be alright soon.

But before Jane could give her a dose strong enough to kill her, someone approached the room and Jane fled. And Amelia, who was the patient, thought for years that she had just had a fever dream, until years later when Jane was, yeah, literally, she thought she had just imagined it, because she's like, that's too

absurd. And then when Jane was finally arrested, it kind of all came imagined it because she's like that's too absurd and then when jane was finally arrested it kind of all came back and she was like oh holy shit that happened to me um and she survived thankfully uh jane insisted upon her own sanity in court so her lawyer was like oh let's present it as you know insanity and she's like no no no i'm very sane so well now that you say that yeah let that take that for for whatever you want to take it for um she claimed that she could not be insane if she knew what she was doing and knew that it was wrong but nonetheless three doctors unanimously declared her morally insane which is the term they used for psychopathy at the time interestingly enough where they were like

she just doesn't have a sense of empathy and sure okay just is in a unable to feel empathy toward other people sure yeah um so she said she was they the three doctors said she was unfit to stand trial and would never recover from her illness and so on june 23rd 1902 after only a 27 minute deliberation a jury found jane not guilty by reason of insanity even though she stood there going no i don't think i'm insane but maybe that was insane so i don't know yeah um and she was committed for life at the taunton insane hospital remember when things were just named aggressively just like very directly the thing they shouldn't really be called yeah yikes um at first she didn't mind being in the asylum apparently she actually adapted pretty well uh okay no comment um but over time yeah but over time she was jolly jane maybe that came back i don't know that helps charisma yeah charisma but over time she developed

manic depression became a nun they didn't explain that either they were just like and also she became a nun at one point just briefly though i feel like that should be addressed further it should be and then ultimately she stopped eating anything and everything for fear that it might be poisoned well well can't blame her that's karma for you i want to say irony but then someone's gonna be like actually that's not what irony is so i'm just not gonna say it and you can decide for yourself okay you know about english and me in english it's not it's i know okay jane toppin died peacefully in 1938 at the ripe old age of 84 so despite just like going on hunger strikes and stuff she survived

till 84 and although most of her story has been lost to history she is still considered one of America's most ruthless serial murderers so Boston that is a story of Jane Toppin for you applause thank you thank you that was

a doozy a doozy is what that was um thank you guys i do have a quick horror scope um for oh good i never know how that's gonna go over um so for all the people who are dragged here by their significant others and don't know why they're here and just want to go home um i'll explain what this is uh this is where i give unsolicited astrological advice to people who have already died and can't use it anyway. So it's worth staying for. So Jane was a Leo. And so are three people in this room.

So Leos, listen up. Renata's a Leo, so everybody listen up. All right. Yes. So here we go. All right. Yes. So here we go. Slow down, Leo. Take it easy today, or you might end up with some not-so-fun health issues. Hmm.

Your immune system can only handle so much. So make sure to find someone to help take care of you if you do get sick. Whew. Okay, this is where it got weird, and I didn't really read it, and I just copy and pasted it, so just buckle up. Or you can always turn to sexual healing. I guess we really built this up, huh? The kinky thing. The doctor is in this Saturday.

Okay. As flirty Venus in your frisky... Jesus Christ. The doc... Thanks, Elle.com. The doctor is in this Saturday as flirty Venus in your frisky fifth house tag teams with liberated Uranus. In bed. Liberated Uranus.

In your adventure zone, the end. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. You really probably should have read that one before you just copy and pasted it in blindly I saw like the doctor is in and I was like god damn it what have I done

oh my well those are our stories thanks guys we're so happy to be here so I do want to I do want to just truly thank you I mean we've never done a show in Boston this is like our homecoming show

means a lot it does thank you guys so so much Outro Music