And That's Why We Drink - E125 A Neighborhood of Haunted Houses and Codename Vanilla Lunch

Episode Date: June 23, 2019

We're down to clown aka down to sassy today! Even though we're sadly nearing the end of birthday month. Em's bringing us back to the paranormal world with not just one haunted house but a whole cul-de...-sac full of ghosts! Welcome to the story of the Riddle House and Yesteryear Village in West Palm Beach, Florida. Then Christine's got an intriguing mystery (with some current updates) in the case of the Isdal Woman of Norway. We're also graced with the presence of Detective Captain Canada... and that's why we drink!Please consider supporting the companies that support us! Help make sure you and your neighborhood are safe by downloading the free Neighbors apptoday! Go to ring.com/DRINKFor 40% off all Lola subscriptions, visit mylola.com and enter DRINK40 when you subscribe!Get two months of Skillshare for free when you go to Skillshare.com/DRINK2Go to fabfitfun.com, and use our code DRINK, to get $10 off your first FabFitFun box!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 what a week i thought you were gonna say what up i thought i was gonna say a lot of things and it didn't happen all right what up what what is going on with you on this fine june day in our birth month happy birthday month is this our last birthday month episode oh i think so yeah that is really sad isn't it i still have so much steak to buy before the end of the month you gotta really live it up i know you're going to chicago yeah i'm going to chicago tonight uh i'm taking a red eye so i i'm flying out at like one in the morning. Oh, my God. And I'll be there in the morn hanging out with Miss Linda. Aw. Is she picking up with a limo?
Starting point is 00:00:51 No, she's bringing herself probably in a limo. So we were supposed to get there like late afternoon-ish, but because we decided so last minute where we were going, there were only so many flights to get me there that day. Got it. Hence why I'm taking a red eye. I see. That makes sense.
Starting point is 00:01:09 With Spirit Airlines on the way back. Wait, are you serious? I'm going to lose my mind. I may never get home. I can't wait to hear about that. You are never allowed to complain about my travel booking skills after that. I tried everything. It was the only thing that was less than like 700 because it was
Starting point is 00:01:26 so close and like that was a non-stop because there were so many that were like super cheap but i had to take like three planes yeah and i'm sure with uh certain airlines yeah that often get delayed i wouldn't be able to make those other flights i just was like whatever's non-stop and cheap as possible so all right well fingers crossed to me happy birthday to you happy birthday right uh but yeah so we're going one of my uh best friends since childhood lives in chicago so we're gonna hang out with him for a little bit um he loves linda more than i think he loves me so well not a shocker the second i said i was gonna be in chicago he was like okay cool and then i said my mom's coming in Chicago, he was like, okay, cool. And then I said, my mom's coming with me.
Starting point is 00:02:05 And he was like, oh, we have to hang out. He's like, is she bringing the limo? Right. Well, okay. Now I see why people like Linda more than me. I was like, um, come on. But, uh, also since it's, uh, pride month still, I think since it's like the last weekend of pride, um, I think Chicago's going all out.
Starting point is 00:02:20 So he got me like good tickets to a really good drag brunch. Oh, fun. He said they do death drops every other minute i'm very excited about that that's take some videos why do i even have to ask you'll obviously take videos so anyway i'll be in chicago i'll be eating a lot of milkshakes from portillo's portillo's however it's pronounced i think it's portillo's i say it wrong every time i think it's portillo's too and you got it in my head that it's portillo's oops because we live in la and every time you see a double l you just assume english isn't my first language oh well anyway uh i just
Starting point is 00:02:49 want to say something because i want to say something i want to give you the i want to give you i know but there's several things i have to say that i think that one big thing we want to talk about is going to derail the other things i see do you know what i mean yeah but tell us when get them out of the way but when the big thing's about to happen let me know so i can give you the intro sure thing yeah okay everyone's like god damn just come on um okay because speaking of birthday month i'm not gonna stop talking about my birthday why would you and i have how on earth have i not brought this up and people have noticed in photos m bought me a gift for lemon yeah and it is we have not talked about on the show and people keep seeing photos of it we didn't talk about our presence at all this year did we we did we did we talked about like um i was wearing my
Starting point is 00:03:29 cynthia shirt and we did the the rage thing yes yes yes okay um so em got me the it's literally a display a mirrored display case on like a wooden pedestal for lemon happy birthday it's so funny so lemon is finally getting the you know the recognition he deserves the worship the recognition he's immortalized he does look very regal in his case blaze has got really upset about it if anyone wants their own lemon display case go on amazon and search up golf ball display cases it's so i like every time i look at it i just cry laughing and i every time we record afterward i go how have i not told everyone about this for your next birthday or for maybe like your lemon anniversary maybe i'll get like a an engraved plaque to stick on the side holy crap the birthday of lemon went on it of course i'm telling you the text where i
Starting point is 00:04:20 am saying i'll pay you 50 bucks to eat it We can put like a little photo montage in the back. The picture of you with you like, like next to your face for the first time. Oh my God. What a happy memory. Anyway, so I just haven't been meaning to tell that story for a million years. And finally, I was like, I have to write it down to make sure I don't forget. Got it. And I also want to say real quick, last thing about my birthday.
Starting point is 00:04:42 And then I'm stopping. I promise. Okay. But I wanted to see in five minutes quickly give a shout yeah i wanted to quickly give a shout out to my asshole little brother who threw me a 30th birthday i'm so glad you're bringing this up and i feel i feel like really bad because i keep talking about what everybody did for my birthday and then forgetting a very important person like my husband or you and lemon or whatever of course you and lemon are up there with my husband um yeah so i just wanted to thank alexander please please describe everything that happened because
Starting point is 00:05:11 i think it's i will say although it's like the shittiest gift it's also the most wonderful thoughtful gift so much time and effort into it you have to because he had to know everything he had to know just as just as much as he knew the things you love. He had to know the things you hate. Right. He got right to the core of it, as a sibling can do. They wield quite a massive amount of power. Please describe in detail for the folks.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Well, so I don't know if you guys know this, but my brother and I have a podcast called Beach Too Sandy, Water Too Wet. And my brother has decided that we're on YouTube now. And I just follow along. I don't plan it ever. So I show up from our last trip. too sandy water too wet and uh my brother has decided that we're on youtube now and i just follow along i don't like plan it ever so i show up from our last trip it was our oh no no sorry it was my birthday trip and i walk in the door and my brother's holding or ali's holding a camera and my brother has like a party hat and he screams happy birthday and i was like oh my god they threw me a surprise party and then i look around and there's like four black balloons on the floor. There's a giant 30 balloon.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I'm 28. There's diet soda on the table. And I'm like severely allergic to aspartame. There's non-alcoholic beer laid out. Just everything you could hate. Everything bad. And then a giant banner with my name in papyrus and comic sands, which is the first thing I noticed.
Starting point is 00:06:25 The two fonts that Christine actually has a physical cringe guttural reaction to. She hates those fonts. That and CurlsMT. CurlsMT is bad, too. But yeah, so I walked in and I was like, what's happening? And then I was like, are you mad at me? Like, what did I do? I was just like, he's mad at me and it's on video. So I have to act cool.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Well, it turns out I gave him a bowl cut a few weeks ago and it ended really badly. To be fair, didn't he ask for the bowl cut? Okay. Well, correct. It's really not on me, but whatever. Apparently you get to, you get to take the, uh, the blame. Yeah. There was a fucking, um, whatchamacallit photo booth.
Starting point is 00:07:02 It was just a giant piece of black paper. Yeah. And it was too small for anyone to really be standing in front of and for it to be considered a backdrop it just looked like you were standing in front of a piece of paper please talk about the oh my god and then he goes but we have activities and I was like no no no
Starting point is 00:07:19 like this is enough haha you got the joke out he's like no no I've planned activities so then he makes like me put my hand in one of those like hand stone i mean you guys can watch the videos on youtube but i put my hand in one of these like cement stone stepping stones for children and i was like what is this for and he's holding a hammer and i'm like what are you gonna do with that hammer he's like oh well here's a pinata and i'm like what is in this goddamn pinata and i thought it was like sugar-free candy or like more non-alcoholic drinks and i'm like what is in this goddamn pinata and i thought it was like sugar-free candy or like yeah more non-alcoholic drinks and i freaking hit the pinata and beans fly everywhere describe the beans because what i thought i thought it was like a bag of like dry beans
Starting point is 00:07:56 yeah oh no yes so so for the fans they are wet beans like bushes canned beans however he was nice enough to buy vegetarian baked beans because he knows i wouldn't want any you know pigs harmed in the making of my idiot pinata so canned liquid beans liquid baked beans just strewn about all over geo all over all of all over me um it was like the weirdest fucking day anyway and that kind of just went away and I like moved past it. And then one day I was like, I never like addressed this with anyone. I feel like psychologically you never addressed it either. I think in therapy someday it might come out.
Starting point is 00:08:32 I think he just walked away from the situation. And then with the stupid handprint, he's like, I just wanted something to commemorate your 30th birthday. I wrote, I'm 28. You jerk on it. And then it's now in our garden. I love it. Anyway,, you jerk on it. It's now in our garden. I love it. Anyway, that was longer than intended. But I guess I should also bring up the fact that my loving girlfriend, Allison, also brought me to San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:08:53 Oh, yeah. We never talked about that. I'm telling you, there's so much that's happened. We did. We talked about the golf thing, didn't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Allison, people know already.
Starting point is 00:09:00 You're fine. You did good. If you missed the Instagram story, that's your own fault, guys. Yeah. yeah so i don't know it's on youtube if you want to see it i look like i just got off a plane so i want to warn you um i do want to say i didn't bring this up um but allison also because she was both birthdays she has been out of town for the week of my birthday very suspicious very suspicious and so one thing that she did do while she was gone was every single day she had a present plan for me and a food thing which is what she did last year too and that's what she did on our tour like when we'd go to certain cities she's very good at getting me food she knows exactly
Starting point is 00:09:34 what i'm into really key and like one day rj came in with like a cake meant for like 12 people from portos which is my favorite cake place and not to be confused with Portillo's not to be no but so I got a whole bunch of at one point I literally I think it was like by Thursday I had to tell her please stop giving me food because there was the fridge is full the fridge was full my body was full and plus like we had just had like all this candy from the superhero party I was still trying to get through and then like plus i had melted an entire cake in your back plus you gave me a melted cupcake and then she gave me the entire cake then she gave me chocolate covered strawberries my mom sent me like little mini cupcakes i was like you had your lumberjack cake that i worked so hard on and ended up in the trash
Starting point is 00:10:17 like i just had so much going on i was like it's a lot of food i was like please stop giving me sugar like my body's craving like an apple. Well, there might be some more beans outside a few. Oh, good. I'll do some chewing later. Just on the grass. You and Gio. Anyway, the last thing I want to say is the reason I drink is I have a colonoscopy tomorrow
Starting point is 00:10:34 or in two days and I'm dreading it. I know it's not a big deal and I know it's very minor procedure, but I don't want to do it. So I feel like I'm the worst friend because in my head, I'm like, dude, that is a big deal. Like I'm supposed to calm you down. I appreciate that because I'm like, I know it that is a big deal like i'm supposed to calm you down i appreciate that because i'm like i know it's not a big deal so i don't want to complain but you know it scares me a little bit we both know i would not stop complaining so like you have permission to bitch about this there's no way i would be good enough to stop complaining
Starting point is 00:10:58 well after this i'm going to the store to buy broth okay and a sedative maybe and jello and sprite maybe some tranquilizers they give me a lot of that okay good we'll catch it on video maybe that'll be the next beach to sandy youtube video oh god but that really is something you should review do not let my brother if you're gonna do a one-star review a colonoscopy would be an interesting story intriguing hopefully you'll get a five-star colonoscopy then hopefully i was unconscious and don't have the necessary information to write a review that would be ideal fingers crossed um anyway sorry so that was a lot that I just wanted to shove in the beginning but um yeah I am so uh what's up what do you want to talk about I'm gonna give
Starting point is 00:11:32 I'm gonna give a formal introduction here for just the coolest text I've gotten in a long time from Christine oh my god and uh it's my favorite thing because as, uh, I don't want to give away too much, but let's say as someone in the paranormal realm, I love watching others have experiences and knowing that we have added believers to the community. And I, I know you were already a believer, but it's nice to feel affirmed every now and then. I'm also quite, like, I, I don't believe, yeah. You're a believer with, with logic, logic-based with with logic logic based believing skeptical when I can
Starting point is 00:12:07 I'm not I mean I mean I know but I like to I like to prove people who like to follow logic wrong every now and then and sometimes there's just some shit that you can't explain yeah and yeah Christine experienced something that falls into that category this week. Oh my god, it scared me so badly. What happened? I was cooking. HelloFresh, promo code Drink80. And I was cooking with Blaze in the kitchen. And no, we had just done the Facebook Live that day for Patreon. And we had said in this room, we were like, oh, well, we should start talking to Walt again. We should do, like, we should talk to him. I don't know what we said we were talking about how we we said something like is he still here we should talk to him whatever we were like talking about it
Starting point is 00:12:49 and then blaze and i went on a walk after you left with geo and um he said something like oh he said oh i should donate that stupid doll and her horse that scares me so bad every time i open the closet because i'm like salvation army's coming next week and I'm like should I donate it should I throw it away and he's like no that seems like bad juju like yeah maybe keep it or donate it and I was like well I can't like burn it so we're trying to discuss what to do with this creepy doll and her horse which if you don't know someone mailed to us and said here's a haunted doll and her horse here's a haunted doll that when it was in my house the entire house caught on fire yeah and my daughter my daughter said hmm that is a haunted horse here you can have it I'm like thank you it's in my closet and uh so I'm like we're discussing it it's in by the way the closet in the dining room outside of the kitchen so we're
Starting point is 00:13:35 cooking and cooking and I like go to the fridge and my brother walks past who I think is my brother because it's like just a dude and he walks past and I expect he's gonna go open the door I mean this is like two and a half three feet for me this is like not far off in a different room it's like next to my like in the doorway walks past the doorway and goes to the back door and I'm like oh maybe he's opening the door for the dogs and then like the door doesn't open so I kind of pause and I was like listening like what is he doing back there thinking like is he going to that closet I don't know and I stick my head out and I'm not kidding like it sounds so cheesy and dumb but like nobody was there and my heart like dropped into my stomach so I was like is someone in our house like did they right but there's no I mean it's just one door out and it
Starting point is 00:14:20 was locked do you remember hearing any like footsteps? No, nothing. I just saw my brother walk past and I was like, and I remember it was just a tall dude and it was dark and like, I mean, it wasn't dark, but like, I couldn't, I didn't like look closely at the details. Right. Walk past, walked straight to the door slash closet area. And then I literally went and looked in the closet. Cause I was like, see in hiding in the closet. Like, I don't know. Nobody was there. And then I, I i mean i turned around and blaze was like what because my face was just like white and i screamed up the stairs like alexander and he's like yeah and i was like what are you doing he's like ellie and i are watching tv like leave us alone and i was like have you been up there this whole time and he's like yeah why and
Starting point is 00:14:58 i was like fuck it was a full-on dude walking past and this weirdly enough when i was at the whaley house the only other time i've seen anything was a dude walking past a doorway the same thing yep like a it wasn't see-through it wasn't like you know out of like a shadow it was like a human man walking past me and i just assumed it was my brother anyway it scared me so badly so badly i was very shaken the rest of the night and it wasn't even a big deal like it wasn't anything dramatic but it creeped me out because we had just been talking about wall and then i was like threatening to burn that right right right hopefully it was walton not like the spirit attached to the little girl i'm hoping hoping because so far
Starting point is 00:15:39 waltz has uh because my thought is walt when we have talked to him he has said that he likes the dogs so it would make sense that he just wanted to, like, go help open the door for the dogs. Oh, maybe. Oh, God, that just gave me chills. So I like to think that, like... He's always been very friendly. Yeah. So far, like, I can hang with Walt.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Like, he's never done anything to freak me out. He's never, like... I've definitely felt him staring at me, like, when I've had Snugglepalooza or whatever it's called. Oh, great. Snugglefest. But that sounds weird that he was staring at me during snuggle. Yeah. But no,
Starting point is 00:16:08 when I was like, when I was house sitting and dog sitting, when I was just sitting there and watching TV in the middle of the night, I would feel something staring at me from the dining room, which is weird from the dining room. I was actually about to say, it is weird like to think about now, because anytime I've ever seen anything out of the corner of my eye,
Starting point is 00:16:23 or I thought the dog was there. I thought I saw a person yeah always right in that in that hallway to the dining room it happens all the time and I always I'm like oh I just saw I mean usually it's like oh I just saw something out of the corner of my eye it was a shadow it was a the cat whatever but it's always that same spot nowhere else in the house interesting all right well it scared the shit out of me anyway that's my not very exciting story but it's, you know, for someone who hasn't had many experiences though, like they all rattle you, they all get you. It shook me up, man. I really thought a person was in my house for a minute. Well, I'm glad that, uh, I'm telling myself it was Walt. So I'm glad it was Walt. Me too. Thank you, Walt, for not doing anything too scary.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Thank you, Walt, for being a kind soul. Yes. Please stay a kind soul. Please. Don't decide that you are someone else. Okay, and now you're freaking me out. I just, sometimes I get nervous. Sometimes I find out the like, oh, there's like a playful ghost in a house.
Starting point is 00:17:19 And all of a sudden, like, because you acknowledge it, you almost like welcome it in. Emma, stop it. What are you doing to me i don't know trying to warn you but just glance over in that creepy homemade clown doll someone made is right over your shoulder sorry get out of my house well all right i'm down to tell you down to clown down to clown down to sassy let's go oh yeah you seem really down to clown wow i just need one last good yawn and uh all right so this is the story of uh this is in that sounds very frightening uh so this is in wpb wpb so uh the riddle house is from 1905 it was built as like a city funded effort to give west palm beach a
Starting point is 00:18:18 mortuary or like a funeral parlor good start good start first bullet down uh fun fact it was built on property owned by joseph jefferson who apparently was like a famous actor at the time oh god i don't know that's what i've been told um also it was built by hotel construction uh the hotel construction team that also worked for flagler oh yeah so the one i can't say flagler yeah the one that's now a college campus but looks like a castle and that was in florida too right yeah i was also in florida okay so uh the same company the same construction team that worked with flagler also built the riddle house and some of the parts of the house are actually built from hotel casts which is kind of cool and because it looked kind of victorian
Starting point is 00:19:06 looked kind of i think it looked i was told on some website looked like edwardian i don't know what that means it's very like uh it looked very she she creepy god like not gaudy but like yeah elaborate yes yes uh it got nicknamed the painted lady oh that's what uh victorian houses are called i think because it had a little victorian flair to it so uh the riddle house or the property it was on was i'm sorry don't you dare it's still recording oh my i'm so sorry for that shriek laughter but i thought for a second the The screensaver came on. I was like, if we had to do ads again, I was just going to walk out of this fucking house. The screensaver came on.
Starting point is 00:19:53 It was a giant picture of me and Blaze that just appeared on the screen. So sorry about that. It actually, it's supposed to be pictures of you and me, but it also pulled photos of me and Blaze. That's nice. I tried to make it just, and that's why we drink screensaver. It would have been funnier if it was just you and me on the screen but us like smiling at ourselves being like good fucking luck what if it was in florida okay i'm done uh also i love the picture that you hung there yeah wasn't that nice it looks really good finally got it framed and hung up
Starting point is 00:20:19 i'm sorry someone just texted me remember I moved out of Pasadena? Yeah. Like, in November. Yeah. And I was looking for someone to take my spot. No. Someone just texted me. Hi, is Pasadena room still available?
Starting point is 00:20:34 How did they? Where is it listed? Like, on Facebook. From eight months ago. Oh, for God's sake. I should be like, yes. Be like, go to the address and just knock and see what happens her name's christine you'll you'll see christine maiden oh i thought you meant me no because she
Starting point is 00:20:51 still loves her leave me out of it uh okay so anyway bum bum bum sorry that was really distracting no okay so the the hotel was built by the same team that worked on flagler and it's called the painted lady sometimes so the property was adjacent to woodlawn cemetery oh which apparently at the time in the early 1900s had a lot of crime in the area especially in the cemetery there were a lot of grave robbers exhuming bodies on a pretty regular basis um one graveyard employee his name was buck buck okay and he apparently actually died on the property after getting into a fight during his shift so i don't know if that means like with another employee or like he was trying to like interfere with grave yeah with grave robbers so he's technically the first ghost of the property
Starting point is 00:21:34 because he oh my god he was there before the riddle house was even there what a story so uh because it was so dangerous the city wanted more security checking on the property, and they decided, like, oh, well, this building is a funeral parlor. Let's also make it the house for the cemetery overseer. Okay. So that way they can live there. They're across from the cemetery, and they can just go over there and always check on it. Makes sense. So the building was originally, so it was built and named Gatekeeper's Cottage.
Starting point is 00:22:05 That's cute. So that's a technical actual name. It's called Gatekeeper's Cottage and then later got nicknamed again as Riddle House. Got it. So it became the Riddle House in 1920. So 15 years later, when a man named Carl Riddle, crazy Carl. Crazy, crazy Carl. Carl with a K, by the way.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Classic Carl. That's a German name. Well, not Riddle, butl with a k by the way classic carl um that's a german name well not riddle but carl with the carl yeah the guy with the white hand yeah thing in your home so in 1920 carl riddle he became the cemetery overseeker seer seeker sorry i got quidditch on the brain um and so he moved into the house and he was actually the city's first manager and superintendent of west palm public works okay fun fact very fun pretty quickly as soon as he moved into the house he started noticing strange activity and he actually kept a diary about all the stuff going on oh that's smart uh, he heard a lot of strange noises and would see things at night. He often wrote about or even mentioned to other family that he regularly heard footsteps
Starting point is 00:23:13 and the sound of someone dragging chains up and down the stairs in the middle of the night. Okay, I'm never complaining again about seeing a man in my dining room. He said it was just all the time. He just heard like heavy chains being dragged up the stairs and down the stairs. God. it was just all the time you just heard like heavy chains being dragged up the stairs and down the stairs god so eventually carl hired a guy named joseph to help oversee the graveyard and also be like his handyman around the house okay and um during the this was during the depression now joseph was having money problems and allegedly he couldn't take it anymore so one day when carl wasn't home joseph entered the house went up to the attic and climbed up a ladder hanged himself oh no and died in the attic
Starting point is 00:23:53 oh no shortly after joseph died uh this is just like a fun fact um shortly after he died i think within the next couple weeks or months the beam in the attic that he hanged himself from mysteriously caught on fire. And nothing else in the house did. Just that beam? Just the beam. Weird. After that, activity really began to pick up. And so it seems like Joseph really became like the ghost of the house.
Starting point is 00:24:22 It was like always kind of haunted. But then once Joseph died, it was just like, I'm taking over. It's like, this is going to be a haunted fucking house now. Signed Joseph. Yeah. Best. Yes. Best regards.
Starting point is 00:24:35 So after that activity really began to pick up and the house developed a huge reputation for being haunted. It even began to affect the cemetery's business because employees would never last long. Hired help would regularly hear chains dragging like in previous reports. They would also report seeing apparitions and hear distant conversation and music playing. Wow. From rooms that were totally empty. That's so creepy. After Carl moved, several businesses tried to buy the property, but none of them would ever last. I don't know if that was because of paranormal encounters or they just like the business themselves couldn't keep up. But a lot of them did say a lot of strange stuff happened in the house when they were
Starting point is 00:25:12 there. So I think it was just kind of an easy choice to move. Right. And by the 1980s, the Riddle House was a dorm building for Palm Beach Atlantic College. Suckers. Can you imagine living? Oh my gosh. Suck, dude. Also imagine living? Oh my gosh. Also fun fact that didn't last either. But, um, shocker when I, so in my college, the two buildings that I lived in,
Starting point is 00:25:33 they were super haunted. Great. And I remember having, uh, in my, so we had the, the suite system. So like it was me and a roommate roommate then we shared a bathroom with an attached room of two other people and um a lot so technically your room was kind of open to the other room and they could always get into your room if they really wanted to unless they locked you locked the bathroom but so there were a lot of times where the two my two suite mates would just wake me up in the middle of the night and they'd be like we gotta sleep in here nope there's something going on in our room both of them would wake up at the exact same time and would just feel something just staring at them like hovering over their beds and they would just whisper to each other being like do you feel that what the hell and so at some point they just like they're like let's bring it to em's room they were like please go away and
Starting point is 00:26:24 then it wouldn't go away so they would just like run into our room absolutely not and then there was another uh dorm i lived in where there was definitely like a little girl that lived there and like she would like turn the tv on and off in the middle of the night oh god would like intelligently turn it off if you said turn the tv off oh god super creepy stuff i don't remember actually if she intelligently turned it off or not. I remember something happening where we were like, we need a sign. Oh, she like we were like, give us a sign that you're here. And there was like right next to us was a desk.
Starting point is 00:26:55 And like you just heard like heavy knocking and banging on the desk right next to us. Like, oh, no, she was there. Well, super creepy. Allison and I shared a room all through college. Allison, was anything ever haunted or did we just sleep through it i don't know if alison's a believer so she's gonna say no both of you are too logical i would say yes on your behalf i'd be like oh that place was so haunted i'm glad i didn't like really get into any of this stuff when i was living in a dorm i feel like i would have freaked myself the hell out. Well, I freaked myself out a lot too, because, and then I lived off campus senior year, but the, my junior year,
Starting point is 00:27:29 I lived, I lived in a different apartment every time, but sophomore year and junior year, that was when I was working with ghosts. Well, yeah. And so then I would come home and just like, go to sleep in my dark ass room and be like, okay, hopefully nothing following me home. Scariest thing ever. I'm like, oh, I wasn't interested. No, I took ghost tours and shit all the time in like Arlington and stuff. Yeah. And I did one that scared me to this day. It's like one of the scariest nights of my entire life.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Really? I don't even, it was, it was like this Romanian tour guide and she told all these stories from like her hometown and all these, and it was like at night and we were walking around Arlington through the graveyards. I went home and like had to tape shit up to my windows because i was so scared such a baby oh my gosh yeah i don't think i would uh would have uh you know worked out well with a roommate a ghost roommate no thanks well anyway anyway it didn't look good for palm beach atlantic college either so it was a dorm building for a hot second and then very quickly dismantled
Starting point is 00:28:23 itself eventually people stopped trying to buy the property because they were like okay the So it was a dorm building for a hot second and then very quickly dismounted itself. Eventually, people stopped trying to buy the property because they were like, OK, the reputation is too wild. Nobody can last in that building. So the house just started to kind of deteriorate on its own. Zach Bagans was like, bring it on. Well, no. Are you kidding with me? You're very good at ruining the fun. I'm dead!
Starting point is 00:28:43 Let's call it psychic. That's more fun. You're so psychic. So, well, we're not there yet, but you are on the right track. I'm sorry. I was trying to make a joke. But in being fun, I ruined the fun, apparently. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:28:56 So in 1995, the city planned to knock it down because it was starting to just, like, fall apart. Sure. And Carl's nephew, since it didn't belong to anybody i guess carl's nephew inherited it from carl i'm not really sure how that works but carl's nephew was involved with the house so carl had died carl had died got it the nephew named john was now involved with the house and the city planned on tearing it down but john was like no no noate it to me and I'll relocate the house. So he said, um,
Starting point is 00:29:27 that's interesting. Actually, one of the first houses I ever investigated was a house that had relocated from across the river. Yeah. So that was like kind of my thing. So I was like, Oh,
Starting point is 00:29:37 the first haunted house I was ever in also relocated weird. Cause apparently like stirs up energy because you're literally taking spirits and moving them from where they're comforted. Like uprooting them. Exactly. From their cemetery. Exactly. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:29:50 And so John and a construction team broke down the house into sections and then rebuilt it down the road on the South Florida fairgrounds in a section of the fairgrounds called Yesteryear Village. So let me tell you about yesteryear village that sounds so florida to me it sounds way cool it sounds like a retirement community it's like the ultimate retirement community wait for real because yesteryear village is the main event of the south florida fair which is and it draws over like a half a million people a year it's a quote virtual museum which displays 30 30 preserved Florida buildings from the 18 and 1900s that have all moved from their original sites or have been reconstructed from blueprints.
Starting point is 00:30:34 Oh, that's really cool. So it's basically a history park of original or replicated buildings from Florida's past. It's on five acres, and visitors can walk through all the buildings during tours. So it's not like you just have to walk through a neighborhood of really closed up homes you can go into all of the houses and learn all the history i love that that is is that not the coolest thing they have that in
Starting point is 00:30:53 detroit apparently it was closed when we went but the henry ford like collected houses and would have them like can you imagine having this massive like field and you can they do like tour you can go in and see like a colonial cabin and then like you go down it's like a victorian anyway so that's similar way cool i was so sad it was closed that sounds really neat so keep in mind that when a property is moved like i said the energy inside the house moves with it oh god which means that 30 preserved historical homes have all moved into this one concentrated area so this fairgrounds is riddled with ghosts might i say might might you say it i might say you might say i might have even written it down just to be able to remember to say it well that's just super so
Starting point is 00:31:41 so the riddle house is now on permanent display at yesteryear village which means so are the ghosts inside and just like how um if you change a house around it can spike paranormal energy like if you like move furniture around or if someone moves or someone moves into the house or if someone goes to college and now like if if there's a change in the atmosphere of a home right there's paranormal activity that usually spikes sure so something like moving the whole fucking house uprooting it is a uh is probably going to cause a big change in paranormal activity especially if it's already haunted yeah exactly and so the relocation of the house pissed off the spirits and it set off a wave of new activity. Oh, great. Especially now that this house is surrounded by other fucking haunted houses.
Starting point is 00:32:29 It's literally in a neighborhood of haunted houses. Every house has a fucking ghost, I'm sure. So the activity just skyrockets. Fun fact, Zach Bagans. There he is. Compared this to the village of the dead. What does that mean? I don't know. He just called to the village of the dead. What does that mean? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:46 He just called it a village of the dead. That's a very astute observation. It's like a village of the dead. It's like, well, you are standing in a neighborhood full of ghosts. So yes. Aaron, write that down. So a carpenter named Steve Carr, Pinter, which is funny. Steve Carr, he could either have gone into auto sales
Starting point is 00:33:07 or carpentry there was no other option right he had to be involved with a car or something uh so he actually was interviewed on ghost adventures but he's also i think been in other interviews away from the show um he was one of the people involved in the reconstruction of the home um on siesta village he said that the building across from the riddle house was uh belonged to a civil war captain and apparently these homes had some paranormal bond oh ew which is weird but i mean i guess it makes sense that if you put all of that crazy activity all together they would it would kind of magnetize and they would yeah i'll like
Starting point is 00:33:45 be drawn to each other in some way but so imagine like like moving into a new house and your neighbor across the street and you become best friends apparently oh that i see and now in a ghost and so apparently the ghosts in the riddle house and the ghosts that in the house belonging to the civil war captain started this weird bond and both of the houses seemed to have mirrored paranormal activity oh so you would go into one house one day and there would just be shit broken everywhere like clocks would fall from the ceiling or from the ceiling why are your clocks on the ceiling i mean it is a fairground you never know but clocks on the wall would fall or like cabinets would be open or glasses would be shattered and then you would
Starting point is 00:34:25 go into the other house and the same thing would be no they like mirrored each other so i don't know if like the ghosts were conspiring i hope that's what it is because like okay you go break shit and i'll break shit over in mine did you break the clock on the ceiling yeah yeah good job good job mine too but apparently very specific activity would happen in both houses at the same time so damn fun fact i haven't heard about that kind of thing i've never heard that before but i But apparently very specific activity would happen in both houses at the same time. So damn. Fun fact. I haven't heard about that.
Starting point is 00:34:48 I've never heard that before, but I guess I've never heard of a literal neighborhood of haunted houses either. I'm sorry. It's actually called a village of the dead. Right, right, right, right, right. Excuse me. I think he, Zach even said in the show, is this built for the living or built for the dead?
Starting point is 00:35:02 And then what does that even mean? And then the guy who responded was like, it was built for the living or built for the dead? And then. What does that even mean? And then the guy who responded was like, it was built for the living, but it certainly accommodates the dead. I was like, okay, good one. You really brought it back.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I was going to say, yeah, he really lifted that one up. So, uh, former yesteryear village chief of security, his name's Barry. Oh,
Starting point is 00:35:21 he, uh, would regularly get reports about lights turning on and off in the house at night apparently people would see someone walking past the windows they would hear noises the people would report getting grabbed they would women would feel their hair getting played with um that freaks me out and as the house was being rebuilt um construction crews regularly reported heavy supernatural encounters so workers would have tools thrown at them. Sometimes they would leave the tools in the attic.
Starting point is 00:35:49 And when they came back the next day, all the tools would be thrown down the stairs. Oh, my God. As if someone in the attic was like, get your shit out of here. This is my space. Yeah. That's scary. They're like, I'm just trying to do my job, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:03 So they would have tools uh thrown onto the bottom of the uh onto the bottom floor uh windows would spontaneously shatter oh god this is a dangerous house uh ladders that were left standing overnight were found knocked over sometimes they would literally be moved to a completely different room sometimes they would be missing altogether oh god but ladders specifically are some weird trigger in this house weird so it's pretty much a guarantee that if you leave a ladder in the house and then go home when you come back the next day it will not be where you left it's gonna be where you don't want it exactly oh my god some actually think that that could be joseph the guy who hanged himself in the attic because he climbed up a ladder to hang himself and then he kicked the ladder out from under him i just got chills
Starting point is 00:36:49 so a lot of people think that he has the connection with letters especially because most of the time when they are found they are found kicked over oh my fucking god oh that just gave me chills steve carr the printer he's mr carr he had a uh he was quoted saying i'll never go into the riddle house again oh because he remembers a time when he was working in there when the lid from an iron pot lifted three feet into the air and then flew horizontally across the room and struck him in the head it hit him hit him he fell unconscious and a co-worker saw the whole thing and dragged steve outside but i mean like a heavy do you think the co-worker did it i don't know that's my first thought he's like no man it wasn't me this just like what are you talking about it just went
Starting point is 00:37:36 horizontal and everything i'm sorry that is very frightening so like the iron pot lid there have been several stories of a two by four piece of wood just flying up into the air and then flying horizontally across the room and hitting someone in the head. Really dangerous. Yeah. Whoever's there really likes throwing things at people. Well, because usually I feel like I hear about that and it's like it whizzed right past my
Starting point is 00:37:58 head and hit the wall. Like they don't usually hit you. No, this guy's got accuracy. He's like, I know what I'm doing. He like should have like played baseball or something when he was alive. his name's not bait mr base so it just it wasn't gonna happen i'm sorry that one is bananas good stupid that one had layers on layers you know i'm very complex i know i know i'm a little frazzled i'm so impressed so uh people have also felt or when they the construction workers also what is wrong with me people also rebuilding the house would regularly feel fingers running through their hair they would
Starting point is 00:38:33 see flashes of light fly by them and in the attic's window they reported seeing a torso hanging from the ceiling holy crap many workers would quit um obviously and at one point construction was forced to halt for six months until a whole new crew was found oh my god everyone quit they were just like we don't have enough people to keep this running and no one wants to come back i see a torso man i'm out oh yeah a thousand percent no whether it's live or dead or whatever even if just someone on my crew saw it i think the whole crew just stood up in unity and was like, fuck this. Yeah. And just left.
Starting point is 00:39:06 Especially everyone had little things like, I thought I put that ladder there. And then one person's like, I saw a torso. And everyone's like. Right. You know what? You know what? It's increasing. We know.
Starting point is 00:39:15 We don't need to see how far it can go. So when the Riddle House was rebuilt and ready for display, Yesteryear Village hosted a social event for people to enter it for the first time. So it was like a homecoming of sorts during this event there were um old photos of the house that were found by a local historical society and the pictures were from the 1800s and so they plan on having these pictures like on display and like unveiling them that night for the for the first time ever like no one had seen these pictures before and so as people were coming into the house uh the staff actually saw a couple in their late 30s like dressed in like victorian costumes and so they thought like okay well let's ask them to come take a picture by like all the old pictures oh my god so that way like it would be like a cool backdrop like oh here are all these
Starting point is 00:39:58 pictures and you can take a picture with a victorian couple in the house yeah and so they went to go look for the couple to like ask if they would come stand at the booth. Oh my God. And basically nobody could find them again. So they were like, okay, well they must have left. But at the end of the night, the staff was looking through the pictures on the board that they had posted.
Starting point is 00:40:17 And out of all the old 1800s photographs of the house, there was one picture of the exact people that had walked by. Oh my freaking god and like so they're like that's a fun party but also that kind of creeps me out because it means like something as simple as just photos have full attachments powerful powerful enough for you to manifest into a full apparition so you think the photo brought that into the house it wasn't like well because still in there well because well my thought personally is that the picture that they didn't i didn't get to see the picture but in all the interviews
Starting point is 00:40:49 people anyone who saw the picture and saw the couple that night it's like guaranteed 100 carbon copy all the way down to every detail on the clothes that was them oh so they were literally and so reflections of the exact yeah so i feel like they got pulled from the photo i don't know this is scaring me very much well i just i think that one was super cool that reminds me of winchester house where people see that yeah guy and then at the end of the tour there's like a big exactly all the construction workers from back in the day and the guy with the mustache oh god but so yeah uh freaky they said like absolutely without a doubt it was the same couple. There was no question about it.
Starting point is 00:41:28 Oh my God. That feeling when your heart sinks like. Now think of all the pictures you have in this house and all the energy. Why are you doing this? I have literal pictures of Robert the doll everywhere. You're going to. Oh no. I know.
Starting point is 00:41:37 I have Zach Bagans demon house right behind me. Yeah. But you also have Zach Bagans autograph. Think of the power that carries paranormally. All the all the wealth in the world so uh to this day people experience a lot of crazy paranormal stuff such as orbs intense temperature changes um keep in mind it is in florida and this place doesn't have power so great like or maybe it does have power but at night when no one's there it's not like there's air conditioning going through the house. So the house is regularly like in the 80s or 90s and people... Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:42:09 What the fuck was that? Sorry, that was Olive. Olive, honey, you can't do that. It really scares me. Look at that happy tail. Thank you for kissing my toe. It's hard to be mad at her, but oh my God. It's easy.
Starting point is 00:42:23 It's easy to try. Yeah. Can you leave where's geo nope because then geo's gonna come in here let me let her out elevator music okay sorry we're back so on average since it's a floridian home without air conditioning it's usually like in the 80s or 90s in that house. Sure. And so they're in like intense temperature changes where it's like in the 50s or 60s. Sometimes like feels like an icy blast just goes through the house. Oh, with no explanation. There are lights that streak by people have seen the shadow of a man in the attic. He really likes being near the window. A lot of people can just see him through the window and see him just pacing around the attic. Furniture moves behind you. There's one story
Starting point is 00:43:09 where like a guy was trying to clean. And so he moved a chair so that he could get behind it to plug a vacuum in. And then when he turned around, the chair was like on the opposite side of the room. Oh my God. The ghost was like, here, I'll help you. He's like, oh, I didn't know that that was in your way. Visitors hear music from the 1920 1920s but they can never find the source of it some have seen a boy playing in a bedroom oh god that would scare me which apparently there's a like a whole child's bedroom that never gets explained i don't know whose child ever lived there but it looks like a little kid's room with a bunch of toys in it but apparently that's also the most dangerous angriest room where when you go in there you feel just like overwhelming anger and someone's staring at you this is horrifying
Starting point is 00:43:49 so in that room apparently there's a boy playing in the bedroom although most of the time you only hear like children's voices or something and who knows if it's a real right boy right exactly oh god people have also seen a woman getting ready for bed in the kitchen there's an apparition of a woman that likes to slam and bang on dishes that's sorry that's just me i know oh it's fine and like throwing things around like just loves throwing really heavy shit around these ghosts are very like active very very physical very physical let's get physical um some what was the office episode let's get ethical ethical sorry just thinking about holly anyway go on let me hear your ethics talk i don't remember anyway so some of uh some have actually seen this woman apparently she will disappear as she approaches you the kitchen one yeah oh god people have oh god it's also been suggested that if you're looking
Starting point is 00:44:52 for ghosts and you're in the house to also look out the window because wherever you are they aren't so if you're outside usually you can look through the window and they're there but if you're inside and look out the window they're walking the grounds so a lot of people have seen uh this woman in a white dress with a white afghan dog oh and they just walk around and they never change pace or anything they just walk normally and then either turn the corner and you don't see them again or they'll just dissipate in front of you i guess that'll be me and geo someday just well geo will be just taking off like a bullet and i'll be in sweatpants not a pretty dress but yeah otherwise pretty similar so uh reports have also been made of people seeing buck the original cemetery keeper oh my god yeah
Starting point is 00:45:36 apparently he also wanders the grounds and he also is seen hanging out on the riddle house's porch because that's where he used to take breaks apparently he's also still seen working so interesting because he was moved from i mean he was transplanted with the house right he died in the cemetery right but i think he still used it as like a manager's office or something and so i think that's pretty cool that's wild that even he got kind of uprooted from property adjacent from the house which is so interesting i mean not to bring up walt again but like remember we were trying to figure out like how he would have gotten from.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Yeah. Like who knows how energies shift and move. And well, my favorite thing about Walt is we asked like, we were like, where have you lived? And he listed like a bunch of fucking places. Yeah. And then we were like, how did you do this? And all we got back was the word vagabond.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Well, what did you do? We were like, maybe as a salesman, what did you do for a living? And it wrote vagabond. Oh, what did you do? We were like, maybe as a salesman, what did you do for a living? And it wrote vagabond. Like, oh, so you just hop trains and that's how you got everywhere. And then we said, what do you like to do for fun? He wrote whiskey or something. He was like gin.
Starting point is 00:46:34 I was like, me too. No wonder he hangs out with me. And then, uh, how funny. He said something else. I don't remember. He was very sassy. Yeah. He said his favorite place to hang was alabama or something
Starting point is 00:46:45 oh yeah i think so and he was from georgia somewhere from the south yeah well anyway we never did find his family did we well a lot of people messaged and i just never really got a chance to follow through i need to go back and look at all the messages well found like matching families with the same names because remember he told us the name of his grandkid yeah i remember one of them's name is jason and then there's a dog then jason has a sister they're twins or something yeah jason and a girl we should look that up and then their their dad is related that was freaky that was very weird it's very specific it was very specific we'll have to ask about that i have to go back and look anyway so uh well it's like i'll tell you no nope i'm done
Starting point is 00:47:26 we'll figure it out on our own so uh investigator there's an investigator named gary busa gary busi yes actually weird i think i've heard of him he has said that this is a quote from him employees say every time they try and hang a flag it gets torn down we've had a door opening and closing on us and all parts of the house there has been known to be footsteps things moving things clinking some of the staff won't even come into the house at night oh my god and so as for the flag part that does become prevalent in uh the ghost adventures episode really so apparently like it's just impossible to keep flags in that house a lot of times they try to keep one in there for storage. So that way on a good day, they can hang like an American flag on the house.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Sure. But without fail, every time if you put a flag in that house and then leave and come back five minutes later, no one can find the flag. It's gone? It just goes away. No. It's just missing. What the hell? So they warned Zach.
Starting point is 00:48:22 They were like, if you really want some activity, make sure if you have access to a flag, bring it with you. Because like that shit's not something's going to happen to the flag. He's like, I brought my my my own crest flag. Zach Bagans logo. And it's just got one bicep on it. So there's a report of people seeing a solid head and torso of a black suited man against the window with a noose around his neck. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:48:50 And the end of the noose is attached to the attic meme and he peers down at you. So he's hanging and staring at you while hanging. Get about it for real. Very traumatic. Sorry. Birth control. It keeps happening.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Uh, horrifying, horrifying, horrifying uh the yesteryear staff actually said that that spirit is believed to be a former border he's also seen apparently on the lower floors and walking the grounds although a lot of people will argue that that's joseph that's what i thought yeah so a lot of people think it's probably joseph keep in mind that some of the spirits here now might not even come from the riddle house because since this is literally a neighborhood of ghosts, like they're, so the argument is like, well, it's probably Joseph.
Starting point is 00:49:30 But then the other argument is like, even though only two people died on this property, this is a community of ghosts. Like people are probably just walking into each other's houses and haunting whatever they feel like. That's kind of fun. We should move there. We should, when we retire. That does sound like our version of like celebration.
Starting point is 00:49:45 Right. The celebration village. Exactly. And instead of retire, I mean, and by retire, I mean, you know, expire. Right. But when we do that, we should move there together. Absolutely. Okay.
Starting point is 00:49:53 I mean, it sounds like you can just throw shit. Whoever goes first, meet me at Yesteryear Village. Okay. Okay. Cool. Whoever. You. If you go.
Starting point is 00:50:00 I'm like, whoever. If you go first, that's where I plan. I thought you were talking to our listeners. I was like, I don't know if there's room for all of us. Just kidding. You're on my way. Christine, if you go first, if you go first that's where i thought you're talking to our listeners i was like i don't know if there's room for all of us just kidding you're all christine if you go first meet me there okay and if i go first meet me there seriously see yeah let's do it why do we have to go to florida to meet can we find a new well we'll meet up in florida and then we'll go somewhere colder okay we'll go to a bar for sure go somewhere without uh i almost said alcohol i meant alligators alcohol yes alligators noigators, no. Well, that's a given. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Glad we figured that out. So the yesteryear staff said that it's probably a former boarder, but a lot of people think it's Joseph. But the argument does stand that it could be anyone that haunts any of those nearby buildings just walking into each other's places. I'm bringing my noose into this house now. By the way, let's trademark that as a sitcom idea. I love it. For like, everyone's a ghost.
Starting point is 00:50:44 And like, it's a normal sitcom except everyone's dead except that is kind of a thing already with a good the good place oh well the good place but there's also a show with uh maya rudolph and fred armisen have you seen it no oh my god it's so good okay well it's about how they die they die and then they meet up at this suburb called yesteryear village oh my god wait wait a minute oh my goodness look at what that's called it's really good show so uh just to say state just to stay safe um staff will go through the house if they have to go through the house they will always say hi and bye to the house out of respect just so nothing follows them away smart and the most dangerous how a spirit in the house has known to be joseph
Starting point is 00:51:25 who hanged himself in the attic apparently he has spoken to psychics he has talked he makes it very clear whether or not you're a psychic he does not like men and he will attack them oh he's the apparently the one that throws things out of nowhere which would make sense because the entire construction crew was men sure and uh even on a tour a guy has had a piece of wood thrown at his head and nobody knows where the wood even came from it wasn't like stored anywhere he's just been saving this two by four he just fucking makes it disappear until he needs it holy all the flags one day are just gonna get dumped out on sack bags like a laundry day like here are all my flags so he also uh he's also likely to be the guy who kept attacking the construction workers. Like I said, to keep everyone, especially men safe from Joseph, the attack, the attack,
Starting point is 00:52:10 the attic, my stupid brain. You know what? If you're reading fast, attic does look a little like attack, attack, attack, uh, the attic is padlocked and nobody's ever allowed in there just to keep everyone, especially men safe because Joseph doesn't like people in a space. space and if men go up there they will be attacked spooky there is such a high demand because it's like a forbidden fruit like what does the attic look like um people ask all the time can we go in the attic humans are so dumb okay well there's they all say like if we're allowed in the house we want to see the attic oh my god but my God. But everyone's like, we're not going to open the attic to you.
Starting point is 00:52:46 So staff have actually gone in there and taken pictures inside the attic and then taped them to the attic door. So you can, like, basically see what the room looks like. No one's allowed in, but the staff has to go in and take pictures. Only the women, though. Only the ladies. Because, like, life isn't hard enough for you yet. All right. So some people have even seen Joseph face to face, apparently. Oh, God. Apparently,
Starting point is 00:53:06 there's an investigator named Will. And Will was quoted saying, we set up, we were setting up in the riddle house three years ago, we did all the usual stuff, we took all the usual precautions, we communicated with some folks about halfway through, it was starting to look like we weren't going to be making any contact that night because the dead folks were silent you know when all of a sudden i i mean out of nowhere joseph comes screaming from literally out of the woodwork fuck i could see through him but he grabbed me just the same i felt his hands around my throat as he screamed in my face to get out i can tell you we left right that minute oh yeah and then someone asked would you ever go back into the house and he said maybe but not without a priest oh my god grabbed his throat yep i think the
Starting point is 00:53:59 scariest thing would be like having it in your face like that just looking right at you having an alive man screaming in my face get out i can't imagine anything scarier and then add the fact that he's see-through and dead correct yep oh my god so now i will end on the things that happened on ghost adventures so super um so zach had a psychic come in with no prior knowledge to the house um and she very quickly picked up the name Joseph. Ooh. The psychic said that he has quote taken ownership of the house and doesn't like that he had to move.
Starting point is 00:54:32 So that's pretty specific for someone who didn't know anything. Sure. In the children's room. That's where, uh, she sensed have anger and she sensed that this room, the child's room has so much anger because that is where Joseph's life was about to end. So that was the prequel to him going to the attic and hanging. Oh, so that's where he like maybe decided to end his life? So in this room, apparently there was a heated argument between at least four men about money.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Oh. Joseph was apparently, from her guess and from her senses, these four men, three of them were very well known people in the community. And Joseph was the fourth that was not very well known. And he was falsely blamed for stealing a lot of money. Oh, but he was covering for one of the other people in the argument.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Oh my God. Because apparently he was so well known. He couldn't take the fall or his whole family's reputation would be ruined or something like that. So Joseph ended up taking the fall and being told throughout the community that he was the one that stole money.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Something like that. Where like, he stole a lot of money from a big community. Although he, to this day, claims that he didn't. He took the fall for someone else who was higher in power. No wonder he's embittered. Yeah. So apparently that is when he decided that he was going to go to the attic and end his life because he didn't want to handle the repercussions freaking god that's so dark
Starting point is 00:55:54 apparently the psychic was able to speak directly to joseph in the attic and joseph said that he feeds off of people's fear and he watches people from the window he loves scaring people and throwing things at them and of course he hates men especially aaron no why why i don't know maybe because like the more afraid you are like the more open you less dominant one or something maybe yeah like easiest to sick on or yeah he just hates aaron just hates aaron also keep in mind i watched this episode it was only episode four it was that early it was that early already happening to aaron at the beginning so like he had no idea what kind of life was destined for him oh bud he was like he thought it was like kind of funny like oh he doesn't like me giggle giggle i'll volunteer to stay up here and then that was like the beginning of the end for aaron because truly
Starting point is 00:56:48 then he just got hated by everyone oh so the psychic also it was kind of interesting because it was so early it was actually uh like you could tell zach was genuinely afraid a few times interesting because he hadn't i guess built up this like experience where he was like oh another fucking ghost throwing things at us but like this was only he's like come at me yeah this was like episode four where like something minor would happen he'd be like oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god what's that i can't tell if that's more or less annoying well he seemed genuinely scared which like i would fucking be oh for sure uh the psychics were also able to uh walk out of the house and onto, because remember, they only moved the house to Yesteryear Village, which wasn't too far from its original plot. They were able to go on a walk with the psychics and the psychics were able to find the exact land plot that the house used to be on.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Without knowing anything about it. They even pointed and said that it was on like a acacia road or a kasha road or oh my god so they're like this is the energy came from here yeah they were like he's telling me that this is where the house used to be wowza so they were able to find the land um and while investigating after the psychics while investigating zach and nick and aaron all heard footsteps in the kids room um and a locked door tried to force itself open uh they felt extreme cold blasts they could hear clattering and they found basically like they heard about the two by four stories they left one on the stairs being like if you want to throw this
Starting point is 00:58:15 and you watch on its own on camera it fly down the stairs by itself they all at the same time feel something go through them something cold go through them down the stairs they hear something get thrown onto the ground and they find a flag that they had stop it that they had set up and leaned against the wall it had knocked itself over in the opposite direction so it's not like it slid down or anything it had been tipped over had to defy gravity to be able to move that way and And it was too heavy to even tip by accident. So someone moved the flag and they were all upstairs. They heard the sound and went down and it was on the ground.
Starting point is 00:58:52 They also caught two female EVPs. They heard walking in the attic. They heard thumps. Someone heard running, going up the stairs. And they also heard something fall to the ground really, really hard in the kitchen, which they did catch on camera. And that was a really loud, jarring sound. God god of course zach has aaron stay in the attic alone already and there's a corner behind aaron with a bunch of junk just kind of like storage i guess
Starting point is 00:59:15 right and on camera you can see a massive bird cage shove itself off of a shelf and fall to the ground. Oh God. And that is the story of the riddle house. Ah, it's so spooky. Anyway, it's a good one. Yeah, it's a really good one. That was scary as hell.
Starting point is 00:59:32 I've never even heard of this. So this one was one of the first ones where I was like doing it so late in the middle of the night. And I like shocked. I like scared myself. Interesting. And I went to bed and it was super dark. Like, and I kept telling myself i was seeing
Starting point is 00:59:46 shadows and shit it was the first one that like really like got to you yeah wow i had to stay up and like watch the office well glad i'm not the only one anymore all settled in all settled we had a little geo break we had a little scritchy break oh a little little touch on his tush a little geo break we had a little scritchy break oh a little little touch on his tush little scritcheroo um and we're back with another story this time not led by me oh boohoo everyone's so sad quit the podcast take it away christine i want you to wow me i want you to really just fuck me up on this one oh really well then i guess we should just end it here jk i have a mystery for you yes a cold case if you will love a good cold case this is a story case of beer i don't i don't know why i said that good one dad good love a good case or not even dad just like weird uncle the biggest humor of it all is like i don't like that that's definitely the biggest humor
Starting point is 01:00:45 definitely the funniest part a cold case of ice cream hilarious sorry go keep going uh sure i guess i will i'm sorry you said it was not led by you but i guess it kind of is huh looks that i i find myself in this position at all times i can't escape it oh here we go okay this is the mystery of the east doll woman i don't know what you're talking about okay i found this on buzzfeed unsolved i was watching the web oh okay and uh they did a story on this and i'd never heard of it and i was like that is spooky so naturally i went on the google and searched for it. And I found quite a few articles and things and some of them very recent. So there've been some like updates. Did you write about it on the notepad afterwards?
Starting point is 01:01:35 What's that? I only know cool internet terms. So this is the mystery of the East doll woman. It's in Norway. So I'm hoping I'm saying that right. Or at least somewhat right. We'll see. see sure i'm sure someone will tweet at me so on the afternoon of november 29th 1970 a man and his two daughters were out on a sunday hike in the foothills of mount ulrican in bergen norway in an area known as the east allen valley as they were walking
Starting point is 01:02:03 through the area popularly known as death valley get the fuck. As they were walking through the area, popularly known as Death Valley. Get the fuck out of here. Because, you know, why don't you take a hike there on a Sunday? With your children. Right, right. Sounds like the exact opposite of my plans. I'm like, if the word death is in it, I already know whether or not I should be there.
Starting point is 01:02:17 Except you go to, like, the Death Museum and shit like that. I went once, and I will say I regret it. True. And you definitely warned me not to go i did i'm telling you to this day not to go i can't do it i can't i can't um you shouldn't you shan't i won't i shan't and i won't is what i always say can't shant want you know that's i mean that's what i always say you say it once say a million times so they're walking through death valley much like you do and they stumble
Starting point is 01:02:45 upon the body of a woman wedged between some large rocks wedged yeah not good they contact police obviously and one of the first uh people on the scene is a police lawyer named carl os okay i think sure who immediately noticed the very strong scent of burnt flesh. Oh, no. Indeed, the woman's body was severely charred and her arms were in a sort of defensive position. Oh, no. Like in the BuzzFeed video, they described it as like the boxer position, which apparently is a very common position for burned bodies to be in.
Starting point is 01:03:20 Wow. Which actually is weird because I remember when I went to Pompeii, too, that's like a very common, like where it's kind of a defensive position where you put your arms over your face sure yeah fascinating anyway um so it's common in burned bodies and oddly although the front of her body was burned so severely she was barely recognizable the back of her body was seemingly not burned at all however her neck had a big bruise on the right side. Okay. She was about five feet, four inches tall, between 25 and 35 years old, they thought. And unfortunately, officers were unable to tell how long she'd been there or when she had died.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Alongside the body, they found, here's a little list for you. Okay. A dozen phenobarbital sleeping pills, brand named Phenomol. Okay. An empty bottle of St. Halvard liquor, two partially charred plastic water bottles, and Okay. Okay. I don't know what to do with any of that information. It's just a lot.
Starting point is 01:04:30 It's like a weird scavenger hunt so far. it's like a really difficult and sad scavenger hunt um strangely the jewelry and the watch had not been found on her body but were actually positioned aside to the side um and according to one of the forensic investigators who had been there on the scene quote the placement and location of the objects surrounding her body was strange it looked like there had been some kind of ceremony oh no what's more all of the identifying labels on her clothes had been removed huh someone had even removed the labels from all the glass bottles that they had found so very intentional but yeah very intentional exactly and like even the bottles just like plain bottles had the labels removed which was just odd um because they didn't know who she was uh the police dubbed her the easdall woman because of where she was found an autopsy discovered a large amount of sleeping pills in her system uh it was the same that they had found
Starting point is 01:05:16 the phenobarbital pills except she had 50 to 70 pills in her stomach and they had not been fully absorbed by her system before her death and they also found smoke particles in her stomach and they had not been fully absorbed by her system before her death and they also found smoke particles in her lungs meaning she was alive when she was burned okay so she had taken 50 to 70 pills sleeping pills sure then before they kicked in was burned to death got it okay so just an odd it's also odd because like the pills were then meant for really nothing right right because they hadn't absorbed into the system yeah it's very strange they like they never functioned as anything right and 70 sleeping pills would have done done something on the job yeah yeah um so there was also a high level of carbon monoxide in her system which they attribute
Starting point is 01:05:57 to the fire so she had breathed it in that's how she had died got it um due to the carbon monoxide in the pills the police ruled her death as suicide uh saying that they how she had died. Got it. Due to the carbon monoxide in the pills, the police ruled her death a suicide, saying that they believed she had taken the pills herself. The spot where she was found was actually the location of many suicides in the Middle Ages, interestingly enough. Huh. And where some hikers had actually fallen to their death the decade before in the 60s, which is actually why it was nicknamed Death Valley. Got it. Because people literally died there. So, again, not a super place to take your kiddos.
Starting point is 01:06:27 I mean, reason a million why I won't go. I know you guys are asking for all the reasons we won't go. I know, I know, I know. I've been to the Death Valley here too, and it was 123 degrees and our car broke down. So also a bad idea. Again, firm pass. Mom, what were you thinking? Anyway, the place where they were to, where her body was found was very remote.
Starting point is 01:06:46 It was very dangerous. It was not a hiking path. So it's not like she was on a regular route. There's not much of a reason for her to be there. Yeah, it was a very out of the way, very remote spot, like very intentional that someone would be there. So anyway, considering the odd setup of the crime scene and the fire, many people were skeptical that her death had been a suicide. Because why on earth would you take 70 sleeping pills and then set yourself on fire right it's like you already did the thing that's gonna do yeah yeah and like burning alive is not very
Starting point is 01:07:13 appealing compared to like isn't burning alive like the most exactly exactly and like to do that willingly after you've already yeah started the process It's just an odd... I mean, it definitely all hints to, like, someone else is involved. Right. It doesn't seem logical anyway. Police immediately launch a full-scale investigation in an attempt to determine her identity. Composite sketches based on witness descriptions and analysis of her body were published in the Norwegian media and circulated via Interpol. So this is a huge news story in town because Bergen was known as very peaceful,
Starting point is 01:07:47 low crime rate. This kind of thing did not happen there. So this was just like a shocking revelation. Took over the media. Three days after finding the... Oh God, I feel like I'm saying it wrong every time. The Isdal woman's body, two abandoned suitcases were discovered
Starting point is 01:08:03 at a local railway station in Bergen. In the suitcase was a pair of sunglasses that had partial fingerprints on the lens, and they matched those to the Isdal woman's body. Okay. So they were her suitcases. In the suitcase, police discovered another list for you. Love it. Wigs, clothing with all the labels removed. Love it.
Starting point is 01:08:22 Wigs, clothing with all the labels removed. A tube of eczema cream with the doctor's name and date and identifying information removed, including the patient's name. Makeup with all the labels removed. In the lining of the suitcase, they found 500 Deutschmarks, 130 Norwegian kroner, coins from Belgium, Switzerland, and the UK. And then one item that was especially intriguing was a diary with several entries. The only problem was that the entries were written in code. What the
Starting point is 01:08:50 fuck? Spooky. This is a mastermind murder. Creepy, huh? Wow. They also found a plastic bag from a shoe store located about 130 miles away in Stavanger, Norway. And they went there and contacted the people who worked there.
Starting point is 01:09:05 The store owner's son, whose name was Rolf Rortvedt, described selling blue boots to a woman three weeks prior. And the boots he described matched the ones they found melted next to her body. Rolf says the woman had made an impression on him because she took a long time choosing her boots, much longer than the average customer. And just fun fact, they were called celebrity boots he's like oh she bought celebrity boots that's like my mom with her rock star jeans she loves old navy rock star jeans hilarious that's exactly it yeah it's like oh this is like what the
Starting point is 01:09:37 what the stars where people are wearing yeah yeah and so she had bought a pair of celebrity boots so this was actually like a really big lead because he was able to describe what she looked like and acted like when she was alive he said she broke she spoke broken english with an accent and had a calm and quiet expression she was well-dressed medium height with a round face dark brown eyes long dark hair and had a strange odor okay years later the man would finally realize that the odor was garlic. It's like it kept him up for nights on nights on nights for years. And he was like, aha, one night.
Starting point is 01:10:12 How many times did he have to avoid the smell of garlic to not piece it together for years? I'm just like, and I feel like the first time you smell garlic after that case, you're like, oh, that's what that girl smelled like. Right. It's like one of the most specific smells. yeah i just yeah it must have been one night in the middle of the night his neighbor starts cooking something at three in the morning and he like wakes up in bed some revelation yeah epiphany um so that i just thought was so odd because they never really touched on that they were just like years later he realized it was
Starting point is 01:10:39 garlic and i'm like right we're not going to touch on all the like years of suffering he went through sure um so using rolf's description police are able to trace the woman to a hotel nearby where she had checked in as vanilla lorch vanilla vanilla lorch okay vanilla oh it sounds like a harry potter name to me vanilla oh i just heard like vanilla lunch and i was like okay you're like let's go. Sounds tasty. With some garlic. Throw a little garlic in there, you got a lot of strong flavors. The flavor profile is really showing itself. Gross.
Starting point is 01:11:14 But when police went back to Bergen to check hotels there, no hotel had housed a woman named Vanilla Lorsch. Or vanilla lunch, weirdly enough. Interesting. That's where I am lost now. now we're just really confused it all started to make sense right i was on track now i'm way off track again i literally wrote in other words vanilla lorch was not her real name uh so in case we hadn't
Starting point is 01:11:36 figured that out yet sure um it emerges that the woman had stayed in several hotels in norway using different aliases and since most hotels required guests to show a passport when they checked in uh this means she would have had several fake passports so she's a spy i've decided she's a spy we think uh police use handwriting analysis on the check-in forms at the differing hotels so they actually it's really cool they showed it on the bbc article they had the actual check-in forms and then they compared all the handwriting samples like from the 70s back then so it was really interesting yeah which actually now i am convinced she's a spy is that like a fair argument so far no i said that's what it is okay yeah because between like having all the wigs and all like the unlabeled shit oh yeah yeah she like but then that that that spins
Starting point is 01:12:21 it around because i was like oh there was a murderer who like definitely didn't want us to figure out who she was but i think even before she was murdered she didn't want us to know who she was wink wink oh my goodness i'm on top of it today her own eczema cream she uh wiped off the name yeah she was like no one better know what i have going on listen it smells like garlic it's embarrassing nobody needs to know about my skin condition um yeah so she right so they um did the handwriting analysis and all the different check-in forms to link um to link the her i hear you um and then remember the diary so oh and code yeah she's a spy yeah i mean i know for joining us on this mission i'm keeping up slowly i confirmed you the first time when i say i'm keeping up i mean like like how i would keep up in a race or like i'm all the way behind but i'm still near you know no you're good you're in it on it on top of it
Starting point is 01:13:20 around it i'm just having a lot of like aha moments all at once i love it listen own it um so they link so the diary with the code they're able to link the uh check-in forms and the different time and dates that she was at the different hotels to the code and it turns out that the code was entries that corresponded to her stay in all the different cities so she had like her own code for like when she was in Paris. Right. From October 5th to the 10th or whatever. So they were able to like track where she was.
Starting point is 01:13:50 Got it. By analyzing the code, they determined she had been traveling around Europe with at least eight fake passports, a majority of which were from Belgium, but all of which were fake. So not one of the names that they found like matched up to a real person. So now the wigs and the missing labels yeah exactly coming together um so they went to talk to the staff at all the hotels she'd visited to kind of get a better idea of her persona and they found out she often asked to change rooms that was one of her things that she did in one hotel for example she asked three times to change
Starting point is 01:14:21 rooms which just sounds like a pain in the ass to me but all right but i get it from a spy's perspective of like keeping everyone off trail yeah and maybe like this room's not secure enough or something i don't know but yeah too many windows too many windows too many potentials for bugs like but not like electric bugs i was like oh are we going to mosquitoes oh i see that kind of like wires i'd be a terrible spy um so she asked i'm too polite i'd be like no this room's fine it's fine i'll just be really quiet so they don't hear anything i say yeah there's a man with a gun outside but i don't want to bother anybody exactly um so she asked three times at one place to change uh rooms she was known to utilize some german english and flelemish. Remember my Flemish song? Oh, I remember you singing to me in Flemish. She was well-dressed.
Starting point is 01:15:08 She was a smoker. She mostly stayed in her room, and she seemed to be on guard most of the time. She told hotel staff that she was a traveling saleswoman and antiquities dealer. Oh, said the spy. Said the spy. Isn't that, like, such a spy thing to say? I'm just a dealer of antiquities. Right, exactly. Sounds like a Toby Flenderson novel. said the spy isn't that like such a spy thing to say i'm just a dealer of antiquities right exactly
Starting point is 01:15:25 sounds like a toby flunderson novel he was working on a murder mystery yeah uh she was also known to order porridge with milk as her main meal vanilla lunch hold on wait wait a minute one whole second hold on porridge on. Porridge with milk. Wow. I think we figured out her code name. You know, everyone's got like a spy code name. Like, this is Falcon. Yeah. This is vanilla lunch.
Starting point is 01:15:54 It's the worst. I mean, her English was broken. Maybe she thought it was cooler than it was. Maybe that's what she, when she ordered like porridge with milk, she was like, may I have some vanilla lunch? And they knew exactly what she was talking about. They were like, oh, hell yeah. Wink, wink. Yep.
Starting point is 01:16:04 No bugs in this porridge. I'm sorry. I should not write. No humor in this room. Fuck you. Oh, boy. A 21-year-old waitress working at one of the hotels said the woman had left a strong impression on her. Quote, my first impression of her was one of elegance and self-assuredness
Starting point is 01:16:25 she tells the bbc she looked so fashionable i wished to be able to mimic her style in fact i remember her winking at me oh from my perspective it felt as though she had thought i had been staring a bit too much at her she probably was if she's a spy too like very aware of like how much people were staring at oh yeah like also imagine like your own paranoia feeding into that oh my god they're probably not but like i'm probably just really attractive right dressed well right but also just not looking and i'm just telling myself they are or they think it's weird i just ordered vanilla lunch right there's a number of reasons someone could be staring at you but yeah so she's like i felt like i was staring a bit too much at her so she winked which i was
Starting point is 01:17:03 like that's kind of a fun disarming, like, way. Yeah, it's like, I know you're looking at me. I see ya. I see ya. Also very brave, because what if the 21-year-old waitress was a spy and your enemy, and you just fucking wink at them, like, stop looking at me. Like, you know who I am, and I know who you are. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:18 Ooh. She said, on one occasion while I was serving her, she was in the dining hall sitting right next to, but not interacting with, two German Navy personnel, one of whom was an officer. So I wrote here, I hope we've all arrived at the theory that she's a spy. So we have. All right. We arrived there, right? Yeah, we arrived.
Starting point is 01:17:39 Everyone's on board. I am on board. I barely made it, but I'm on board. You have made it. You're driving the train. You are. So we got the fake passports, aliases, wigs, different languages, secret codes. And keep in mind, this is in the midst of the Cold War.
Starting point is 01:17:53 Sure. So there were a lot of spies actually in Norway at the time. A lot from Israel, it turns out. And a lot from Russia. So this is the most frequently cited theory, especially considering the nine passports, and that also seems to imply a very intricate professional organization because to have nine convincing fake passports, it's like, doesn't seem like a very,
Starting point is 01:18:14 it's not like a hobby that one would necessarily have outside of like, if they needed a reason or if they had a reason. Norwegian national defense records have since been declassified and show some extremely interesting coincidences many of the isdall woman's movements uh through her different cities seem to correspond to top secret trials of the norwegian penguin missile which apparently was an anti-ship and land attack missile that was being uh on those on trial at that point i don't know so it seems like i didn't totally i don't really know much about weaponry believe it or not no i know i know that's
Starting point is 01:18:51 really shocking odd um but it it seemed to match like the trials of that missile so a fisherman even said to have recognized the unknown woman while observing military movements in stavanger where she had stayed. Yet the fact that the police wouldn't budge on the conclusion that her death was a suicide led some people to suspect that the local police had maybe been involved, or at least were doing a cover up. Sure. Around this time, there were a number of other strange disappearances close to military installations in Norway, which also seems to lean toward the espionage theory.
Starting point is 01:19:22 And then another mystery. So there's this crime reporter back in the 70s who was tasked with writing an article about her. And his name was Knut Havik. And he was going through, he was given some old case or some case files. And he was going through the files and he found a big envelope with a cassette tape inside. However, the envelope had a note on it that said, do not open without express permission from the supervisor.
Starting point is 01:19:47 So he just put it back. What? And it's never been revealed what was on that tape. Isn't that the most infuriating thing you've ever heard? That took my breath away. It's infuriating. It's like, of course he opened it. Nope, he just left it.
Starting point is 01:20:01 And the BuzzFeed video, they were like, oh yeah, that would make for a great movie he's like a crime reporter he stumbles upon a mystery tape he's like well guess i can't open it it's like oh shucks oh that was so close too imagine if that just had every ounce of information you needed like confirming i wonder if he goes home and hates himself afterwards it's like so infuriating nope just being was like, nope, just being honest. Yeah. And it's like, you're a crime reporter, man. Get to the story. But, oh, well. So as for her death, several theories exist, like how she actually died. The first is suicide, which is the official ruling. So 50 to 70 pills were found in her system, which was understandably seen as pointing
Starting point is 01:20:39 to suicide, as it would be somewhat difficult to force someone to take 70 pills. But again, you know, you put a gun to someone's head. Sure. They'll take 70 pills, I guess. You know, who knows? However, the rest of the clues don't quite add up because why would they have, if it were a suicide, why would she have taken the 50 sleeping pills and then set herself on fire?
Starting point is 01:20:58 But then again, if it was a murder, why would you force someone to take 50 sleeping pills and then set them on fire? The whole thing is just very odd. Like, it doesn't really add up up could it have possibly been like an accident where she that's the next one oh yeah listen i think i'm a cop hey earlier you were telling me i was ruining the fun and now you're a cop because you're guessing absolutely listen i am ruining the fun too for sure i admit that and i'm sorry well also also so i'm a psychic and you're a cop i would go by detective sure i'd say detective i like the sound of that inspector so okay now you're now we're just
Starting point is 01:21:31 uh-huh is that it you're not gonna go any further up the hierarchy i'll keep you updated okay if you'd pull that stupid tesla thing where you scream a new colonel in like 10 minutes no no no okay if i were going anywhere higher it would just be captain purely for america you know i mean captain norway captain norway so they call me don't ever do not detective schultz aka captain norway we but we all know i'm captain canada so let's not pretend here oh my god and i'm the one ruining all the fun okay so right so the next thing i was thinking too about like if she were a spy and you were murdering a spy or if she were committing suicide there are easier ways to die than 70 sleeping pills yes cyanide pill one cyanide pill right
Starting point is 01:22:22 it's probably more powerful than 70 right or even 60 or 50 by the way exactly so it just seems like an odd way like if she were a spy that seems very odd the second theory like m said is that it was an accident captain canada the way her body was positioned she may have fallen into the fire then jumped backwards away from it and had caught on fire which is perhaps why the front of her was burned i see um it also was later hinted that she may have had a large can of hairspray in her possession which could have exploded if she had dropped it in the fire or if it were on her body it's anywhere um then again that doesn't explain that there was petrol on her belongings like they
Starting point is 01:23:03 found petrol in the hat and in her fur and stuff which they confirmed was what had started the fire um so the third and final theory is obviously murder if she really was a spy it is entirely possible that she had enemies who wanted her dead clues that point to murder are the jewelry and watch which had been laid to the side as though placed by somebody i mean she could have done that herself too um but the original guy said it looked very like intentionally placed around her which was just odd um and then there was also that big bruise on her neck that couldn't be explained right uh many people ascribe to the murder theory even back then the police lawyer i mentioned uh way in the beginning claims that no one in the Bergen police department believed it was a suicide.
Starting point is 01:23:45 In fact, that crime reporter, you know, Knute, who didn't open the, right, right, right.
Starting point is 01:23:50 The very wary crimes, very wary crime, crime reporter, very wary reporter, very children's book or a playground taunt. I hope his name is like Harry or Larry or Barry or Gary. I mean, it's Knute or Terry.
Starting point is 01:24:06 Oh no. Well, we could be like very wary larry you know way fun very hairy he could be hairy also oh my goodness um very wary harry knute doesn't have quite the same ring huh no um but so the police lawyer didn't think that it was a suicide the crime reporter didn't think it was a suicide. He actually believes wholeheartedly that she had been murdered. According to him, quote, personally, I'm totally convinced this was a murder. She had various identities. She operated with codes. She wore wigs.
Starting point is 01:24:36 She traveled from town to town and switched hotels after a few days. This is what the police call conspiratory behavior. And personally, I think that makes a whole lot of sense. Yeah. police call conspiratory behavior. And personally, I think that makes a whole lot of sense. Yeah. People thought, based on her background and her belongings, that she may have been Catholic. So they organized a Catholic funeral for her. According to a police report of the funeral, the coffin was decorated with lilacs and tulips,
Starting point is 01:25:02 and the priest conducted a simple ceremony for, quote, the unknown woman who was put to the grave in a foreign country without any family present now that is a playground taunt that absolutely you're the that's so sad um so then if you so that okay so that happened fast forward sure to 2017 okay in 2017 the isdall woman's teeth and tissue samples were forensically analyzed oh Oh my God. Allowing them to pinpoint where the woman grew up. A professor of dentistry named Gisle Bang had possession of her jaw with the hopes of confirming her location via her dental history. And she had distinctive teeth. So 14 of her teeth had fillings. Oh.
Starting point is 01:25:40 And she had several gold crowns, which was actually pretty unusual for someone in her age range. She was like 30, 40 and is not the type of dental work usually seen in Norway. It's likely that this specific type of dentistry may have occurred in southern or central Europe, perhaps even Asia. However, before the location could be confirmed, Professor Bang passed away. No. And the jaw was supposedly thrown away because it started to smell bad. Shut the fuck up.
Starting point is 01:26:09 That horrified. Oh my God. Can you imagine? Someone's like, Oh, this is gross. Who made that executive call? Like just get rid of it.
Starting point is 01:26:17 It's not worth it. Just like a cleaning person is like, ew. Trash. Like you're in a laboratory. I don't know. I just think that's wild. I would think with, if she got multiple fill, well, I guess that's not the's not the same i was gonna say when you said multiple fillings
Starting point is 01:26:28 i thought in my head that meant multiple like implants so oh no in my head it was like oh well that means that she's probably a spy too because like all of her teeth have been getting knocked out or something in fights no i think then i remember you said fillings so all that goes they have a picture of it there's a lot of gold she just has a lot of gold fillings and crowns cool um yeah apparently it smelled bad gross so everyone thought this they were like oh my god this is the end of that road like we're not going to be able to study this any further but m night shamalan twist they resurfaced oh the missing teeth were found in a remote warehouse at a hospital alongside tissue samples that included her heart spleen liver and other organs that is coincidental and convenient well someone just found it moved them i see i mean
Starting point is 01:27:18 it was like within the same oh so they're just there now it was within the same couple months it was after he died they were like where are the teeth they're gone turns out they're just there now. It was within the same couple months. It was after he died. They were like, where are the teeth? They're gone. Turns out they had just been moved to a hospital. Sure. Warehouse, whatever that is. The teeth were subjected to an isotope test. This is wild. This test would determine where she grew up based on the type of water she drank throughout her life.
Starting point is 01:27:39 Wow. Isn't that interesting? So, then furthermore, strontium isotope analysis could reflect the types of food she ate and the type of soil in the area where she grew up. Science is amazing. Isn't that incredible? And this is like 2017. I'm like, what are they going to do in 2050, you know?
Starting point is 01:27:57 Well, also like terrifies me that I could get that maybe read about me one day. Specific. Like I can't hide anything about myself they're gonna be like oh well m liked a lot of cake and ice cream i mean i think that you don't hide that very well anyway but okay no soil because there was no vegetables in that mouth but there's a lot of processed sugar also we're in los angeles no water or soil it's just dirt it's just sand it's just all kale actually they're just kale and sand kale smoothies oh god um yeah yeah fascinating anyway so uh they were able to pinpoint an area near the france and germany border where she likely grew up then they started dna analysis
Starting point is 01:28:38 of the tissue samples in the hopes that the testing would once and for all determine her identity as police still to this day hope to find the woman's family who could still be wondering what happened to their you know long lost relative uh she's actually buried this is interesting they had her buried in a zinc coffin huh so that it wouldn't decompose and police actually kept an album of photos from the funeral in case they ever found oh wow her family so they could give her like here's the photos from her service wow isn't that interesting yeah and very considerate thoughtful right wow wow so they put her they buried her in a zinc coffin which is supposedly uh prevents too much decomposition decay um just in case uh so after months of work scientists have an extended dna profile of the woman the latest results which were published i think like a year and a half ago uh show the woman was of european descent
Starting point is 01:29:29 possibly from france just like the teeth had indicated sure uh interpol sent out a black notice with the uh eased all woman's dna requesting european police check their dna databases to see if they can find a match and if someone okay this is a quote if someone in her close family is in a dna registry somewhere like 23andme sure something like that uh we will get a hit and that would be really exciting oh nice which is how they caught um golden state killer you know somebody submitted their dna and happened to connect the dots sure so the isdahl woman case has been unsolved for the last 46 years, but now modern science has reopened the possibility
Starting point is 01:30:08 in the last couple of years that one of Norway's biggest mysteries might actually be solved. Wow. So I'm going to keep an eye on that because it seems like they're kind of in the process
Starting point is 01:30:16 of submitting all the DNA and that kind of thing. So hopefully they figure out her identity. We can get some answers, see if she really was a spy and put some closure there. Word, bird.
Starting point is 01:30:28 That's the story of the Eastall woman. Very cool. Wild, huh? Bananas. Banana. Banana grams. Banana. All right.
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