And That's Why We Drink - E128 A Lasagna House and Scrapbooks of Destruction

Episode Date: July 14, 2019

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Was that recording? Not yet. Oh, I was hoping you'd go on with your vocal exercises. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. I went, I don't even remember what I said anymore. I don't either. I was just chanting, oh goodness at different pitches different octaves oh yes welcome to our show about ghosts and crime and octaves and singing um what if this was a singing show all of a sudden lord that would imagine if it was uh kind of like that episode of how i met your mother where everything we did was in rhyme oh dear god wow i think we've actually said that before i think we i think i'm kind of just hoping maybe one day we it naturally happens you're just vision bored the gods just will it for us oh no anyway eva write us a script for an hour and a half long make a 90 minute rhyming script thanks eva basically a poem is what we're asking a 90 minute poem write us a a love poem in iambic pentameter. Oh, love a good iambic pentameter.

While you're at it, what is the Odyssey again? A book in my mind. Oh, for God's sakes. A historic legend. Oh, you know, it's one of those long things. I forget what it's called. A rhombus? A slanty boy?

It might be called an odyssey of sorts. An odyssey of the mind. All the like history majors or all the literature majors whatever whatever you smart people are oh it's a it's a long book i feel like someone once left us a review like i don't believe they have master's degrees believe me we don't either yeah i'm so surprised i'm still pretty sure it was a scam my mom watched me get into grad school and then looked at me and said, how did that happen? And I was like, dude, I don't know. It was because the gods wanted me to meet Christine for this podcast.

So you're welcome. The gods of the Odyssey, if you will. The goddesses. The goddessy. Listen, I got something going for me and it's slight puns. Anyway. And some singing octave. Guys, we've been here since three o'clock.

It is now coming on to six o'clock. Can you tell that we really are just out of sorts? Our brains are fried. We hadn't seen each other in a while, and so we were catching up. We were making some, had a meeting of sorts. We did. Productive meeting. A business meeting.

A business meeting, if you will. That ended with us throwing shit at the fan and seeing where it went. I should have gotten my McDonald's expensed then, considering we talked so much. You should have. Also, because it's six o'clock and the sun is starting to set in my eyes, we haven't been in this room in the dark in a long time. Great. Well, good news is it doesn't get dark till nine, so unless it's a three-hour episode.

Does that mean the sun's going to just stay specifically in the skylight in my eyes? Yeah, I thought you enjoyed it. You don't like it? No. I'll make it work. It's fine. I only probably realistically 20 minutes from now it won't be in my eyes. But yeah, Christine, I know we've mentioned it before, but Christine has this really weird

one random off center skylight. Yeah, that's true. And it always points just in my fucking face. So I guess... To be fair, that's because you get to sit on the burrow couch. I guess, yeah, that's true. If you want to sit in the pink armchair, we can trade. I do like my burrow couch.

All right. Well, how's your week been? What have you been doing? Oh, you know, JCEU. JCNMU. HBU. What you've been doing oh you know jcu jcnmu um hbu i what have i been doing i've been swimming a lot good for you um now that i i forgot for like the first like six months of living in this apartment that we have a pool well i'm just told me they found a gerbil in the pool that was something i was intentionally not mentioning and was like oh i forgot i didn't tell you this on purpose when i was like crying on the couch yeah well so we one time allison and i were gonna

go swimming and then we went to the pool and uh basically the pool is in the center of the apartment complex so it's not like away from the building it's almost as if the building itself is hollowed out and there's a pool inside. So when you're in the pool and do a 360 turn, you're looking into different people's windows on the first floor. Cute. Literally like just the most concrete LA version of a neighborhood pool. For sure.

And, um, so I, my guess is someone on the first floor. I don't want to talk about it. You brought it up. So, um,

I know someone on the first floor probably had a ger to talk about it you brought it up so um i know someone on the first floor probably had a gerbil probably left the door open the gerbil got out and was just running and ran right into the pool and was too small to get out and so when allison and i that one day were like let's go swimming we haven't used the pool yet we looked into the water and there was a freshly deceased gerbil which is awful but it also made us not want to get in the water until the all the water was drained and because of the dream because the gerbil ghost right and now it's haunted by a gerbil ghost r.i.p r.i.p but now that now the pool is clean i'm swimming i mean the way the way that i behave when there's a fruit fly in danger like the thought of a gerbil i can't think about it and

i can't think about the little child who lost their gerbil i've built a whole backstory about or a full-blown 27 year old adult that has a gerbil like us. Correct. Very valid. I think that's worse than if it's a child. A child doesn't think of the backstory. Well, but if a child finds their own dead gerbil... The child didn't because we called the manager and said, just so you know, there's a dead animal in the pool.

I'm traumatized. And I'm assuming it's a pet. I'm assuming it's a pet because I don't know of any wild gerbils in Los Angeles. Well, you haven't looked very hard. I guess not. Not in the right places. The colonies of wild gerbils. But yeah, so now I'm swimming more.

What else? Yesterday, I basically took the whole day off and started at 10 o'clock with RJ and binged all of Stranger Things and got done by 6. Blaze and I watched it in 48 hours, but still binged it. So good. it was really good yeah we committed last year i came home when we yeah i remember last year maybe a year whenever the last season came out we were still living in the pasadena house and um i came home from i think being on a date with allison because we didn't live together yet yeah and rj had this

was when we worked at the prop house so he rented rented out a bunch of stuff. It was so cute. And he rented out props literally from the Stranger Things set. Like the Christmas lights. He had the Christmas lights. He wrote the letters all over the wall and made it look like we were on the set of Stranger Things. And like Eggo waffles and stuff. He bought like a 60 count Eggo pack and he got stuff from Mimosas and stuff.

So we woke up and we watched all of them in one day. So we committed to doing it again this year. Were there waffles this time? There were waffles. Now that RJ is closer in his swimming training, he's eating healthier. So they were gluten-free waffles. But thank you, Canadian fans, because we have a lot of Canadian maple syrup. That's right.

I do too. If you drench a gluten-free waffle in enough Canadian maple syrup, it tastes, it balances out well to be a good waffle. So, um, um, but yeah, we don't work at the prop house, so we couldn't rent out anything this time, but, but waffles still a good time are for everyone. We really pounded through them. It was really good. We've got a lesbian on the show. I was so excited that I watched Steve go, but she's a girl.

Wait, wait, we're spoiling. Well, oops. You can't blame me. We're LGBT allies and big friends and community members here. So we're too excited to disclose things. Sorry, we spoiled it. There's a lesbian. It's not really spoiling any of the scares unless you're scared of lesbians, in which case don't listen to our podcast because we talk about the gays very happily here.

Yeah. But no, there's definitely a queer icon. Definitely thought Will was going to be the queer icon, but they fooled me. I did, too. I thought he was going to be gay. I thought we were going there, but. They did a plot twist on me, which I'm very excited about. I already have so many theories for next season.

I'm not spoiling anything else. We'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. about it later hey everyone how are you how's your life going good i i guess i'll say it i don't know if i was gonna say it i'll say it don't freak out everybody m hates when i say that actually i know what you're gonna say i hate when m says that i think so don't freak out everyone oh god but i've i've taken a little bit stock of my own life and well-being. And I realized this is getting a little little deep into things. Sorry, y'all. If you're scared of lesbians and or me and or intense things.

Say it louder for the people who are scared of lesbians. The whole podcast isn't for you. And no, I'm not coming out right now. That's not what I meant to say. That would be a dream. And also, we should bring Blaze in if that was the case. And also, you'd be like, wait, wait, wait, wait. You're're not you're saving this for the podcast no no sorry sorry are you gay I'm not unfortunately but I'm not a trust me I've tried I want to be a queer icon and I just can't

trust me no so what I was gonna say is I've taken stock of my own lifestyle and well-being and I've realized that I was personally for myself drinking a little too much for my own liking. Oh, wow. And well-being. And so I have been slowing down my drinking a little bit. Like, I still drink, so don't feel weird about, like, tagging me in wine stuff. Wine is still my best friend. Don't ever.

But all I'm saying is I've kind of limited it to a couple nights a week because I will be honest with you. It was getting to a point where I was drinking pretty much every single night. And it got to a point where I was like, I don't even enjoy this. It's just a habit. It's just like I'm becoming a little too close to depend on it for my comfort level. And so I've taken stock. And after and I was like, oh, it hadn't even occurred to me really to try. And then after my colonoscopy, I was forced for three days to not drink.

Right. And when I came out of it, I was like, oh, like, I guess I don't have to. Like, it just felt like such an ingrained habit at this point. Sure. Like it never occurred to me. And then you were forced to not do it for a while. Yeah. And you were like, oh, this is fine.

I'm alive. Right. And I was like, oh, and I'm enjoying life and I'm waking up with headache free. And yeah, so I've been trying to and I'm enjoying life and i'm waking up with headache free and yeah so i've i've been trying to and i'm cut back yeah and i mean i'm still drinking like i had a beer yesterday but just trying to slow down a little bit you know i think it also was not our intention with the podcast but i do think like it's implied that you are also going to be drinking all the time yes and so it's also implied that like during live shows you would be drinking right which means that we did like four months night after night after night of live shows which meant

you were drinking every single night we did 40 we kind of all brought the habit upon you i think you pushed me into the pool of wine i don't think it started from anything negative i think it truly did come out of habit of like oh yeah well you drink tonight because you have to go on stage right and you drink tonight i come from a family where we drink pretty heavily and like you know i don't know it's just part of my like family's lifestyle like it's just what we do which is sad but it's not like weird to drink most nights of the week but yeah you're right like we did what 42 shows and i drank at every single show because you know the venue would just provide wine.

And I was like, oh, this is my thing. And so it got to a point where I was like, OK, I need to while we're not on tour to take stock of, you know. Sure. My priorities and my my well-being. Your life. Yeah. So listen, I maybe that'll change back to normal. I don't know. This is kind of a relatively new the past couple weeks. But yeah, just trying to slow down a little bit. Well, if you got the time now, I can offer you some nice milkshake recipes. See, that's the other thing. You can come over to my side.

Now that I drink a lot less, I'm kind of like, oh, I could just. I think Christina's team milkshake all of a sudden, guys. Do you know how much Ben and Jerry's I've had? More than I've ever had in my life in the past two weeks. I'm telling you it's its own habit it's unbelievable now after dinner i'm like well i'm not drinking so what am i gonna eat right you always have to have something after dinner it's midnight i haven't eaten in four hours like i need something what i'm not i'm not gonna say it because there are people i don't want to triangulate myself but i now that I live in Burbank, I am much closer, parentheses, maybe, if I wanted to

walking distance, like in a far walking distance, but close enough that if I really wanted to go get ice cream at any time I could. And I mean, like, I'm just, it's not really much of a spoiler. I'm just close to more gas stations. So I don't, I don't think that's really trying. I think there's a lot of ice cream in Los Angeles. But, uh, but no, like 24 hours a day, if I wanted, I could just go get ice cream now. And now that it's so much more accessible than when I lived in Pasadena and I was like, Oh, I have to go grocery shopping for ice cream. Right now it's like, Oh, I could just eat it whenever I want. And it's like, I should now actually be more aware of what I'm doing to myself. Yeah, exactly.

So I'm trying to like be, I guess, just kinder to myself and like really listen to what my, if my, if I'm like, I'm going to be fully frank with you. There were times where I was like, I really don't feel like drinking, but like I did. Cause it's just what you did. It's what I did. And like, I couldn't picture not drinking. Sure. Anyway. So I know a lot.

What have you learned about yourself so far? Anything? Honestly, I'm just so cheesy i feel like i'm back in therapy uh well what what is this podcast really why did we really create this podcast no i really honestly like i keep saying this to blaze but like i'm very proud of myself because for the last i don't know six or seven years to be frank with you i've never gone a week without drinking besides whole 30 and like it's just something i never thought i could do because i'm like well that's well it's also to be fair it's also so ingrained in society that you should be having a drink right happy hour or after work or like we're millennials you know i don't think the world tells you that you can go a week without drinking i think the world just, well, you should be doing that because that's the only definition of fun for adults.

Right. And like, I mean, I know we've talked about this, but like there's also heavy alcohol abuse genetically in my family. And like, you know, I'm not saying that's where I was. I'm just saying it was at a point where I was like, you could have crossed over. Yeah. Too close for comfort. And there were times where I was like, this is not healthy. Like I'm doing like, I need to cut back a little bit.

Good for you. I'm proud of you. I appreciate that. We're all proud of you. And also I'm eating so much more ice cream now. See, I'm telling you good things come out of drinking less. You're you're there's more room in your belly for dessert. It's finally time that I'm becoming M I'm taking over.

Listen, if you guys are also struggling, I don't know if I would consider yours a struggle maybe you do but i don't want to speak for you but if there are people out there who are wondering could i quit just remember there's more room for ice cream at the end of the day i was actually literally before you got here i was in the shower and i was thinking i was like wondering if i was going to even bring this up on the show and i don't know i said no and then i did it anyway what else is new sounds about right but uh i was thinking like honestly if somebody two months ago had been like oh you're just not gonna be drinking in july like never i was like that's literally unless i'm like in the hospital and they will i can't let blaze smuggle me in booze like it's not possible and so just take it from someone who truly honest to god like you've listened to this podcast like it's never occurred to me to to really attempt to not drink and somehow like a couple days of just not doing it has really

cleared up my mind that like oh i can control when i do it and yeah it's possible it's scary it is very scary because i think there's a part of you that's like oh well i do this every day this is my i mean yeah breaking any habit is really hard but especially one that comes with an addictive yeah exactly background exactly and if it like changes your thinking or your whatever and that's who you associate like if after 6 p.m i'm like i'm always having wine so that's like my mindset right and so that kind of it is weird at 11 when i'm like oh like i'm completely sober are you intentionally not drinking now or are you just finding that now that you've kind of broken the habit it's not happening more that

and it's a lot less scarier than I thought I thought I would have to like you're not sitting there thinking like I want to drink but I shouldn't have to walk it away it's very much like oh I forgot to drink it today exactly got it and I just kind of better and and I was so jealous when people are freeing it is and I was so jealous because a lot of people would say like, oh, I drank a lot last night. So like, I'm not drinking tonight. And I was like, I don't know what that's like. Like, I really don't. I was like, what do you mean?

Right, right, right. But so I will say it is possible. It is scary. And it's hard. And so if you, you know, listen. Yeah. Just know that it's possible. Well, we're very proud of you.

I appreciate that. Thank you. But that you know, listen. Yeah. Just know that it's possible. Well, we're very proud of you. I appreciate that. Thank you. But that being said, listen. It sounds like a life-changing week for you. I still love wine. That's not what I'm saying. Listen, I drank a lot of wine. Now I don't, but I still love wine equally.

Right. I'm just drinking less wine. I have like a little app now that just to mark, just to see like my habits and. Just for fun. Just to lock it away two nights a week or three instead of wow that is pretty impressive every single night like i was so wow anyway it's just like a weird change shift in my and i think since we're working on so much yeah no spoilers it's kind of cleared my head a little bit for other stuff yeah so i mean mazel tov listen but no shade like i fucking love drinking yeah no

everyone's got different lifestyles i mean hello i've i don't even get to say a single thing i've literally never drank alcohol and that's its own impressive feat well i don't know what i'm missing is the is the reason i've been able to hold off this whole i guess you have looked at me and been like not missing much no i've looked you've been wow, I wish I was fucking just, we would have so much fun right now if we were both sloppy. We would. But no, I, and I do think, I mean, I think now I'm, I never really had a reason. A million people think that there must be some like dark reason why I don't drink. People always ask. Yeah. I don't have a reason. I just thought it tasted gross and people were like, oh, well you have to build up to liking it and i was like why would i want to fucking exactly my taste buds and

that's like really really no i'm not noble that's a stupid word but like really i feel like it's logical i feel like it's a realistic reason of like it tasted gross i didn't want to have to learn to enjoy the taste of something awful it's also like i feel like there's so much peer pressure behind like learning to like drinking that like it's its own feat to just be like, nah, not for me. You know? Yeah. I mean, I also like. Especially in your 20s.

I think I would have not enjoyed it. I would have probably been more prone to drink if I had friends that were pressuring me to drink. But I really just had friends like, or if I felt like I was excluded from the group. Like, oh, if I don't drink, then I can't go to the party. Sure. But I still went to like still more parties than most people who drink in high school and college. You had a way bigger social life, way more partying.

And it was because all my friends drank enough for me and they were excited that they always had a DD. Yeah. So I always got invited because they were like, oh, well, we'll all get home safe. So I still had just as much fun. And like I had friends who were sloppy, and I got to take care of them. And I mean, I got to watch my friends with a sober mind. I watched them like, when we were like, my nightmare. Well, when we were 15, and they were like, just learning their

tolerance all the way up to like, now when they know their tolerance, like I have every memory, they don't. Sure. I get to tell them everything they fucking do. You're like, I got to witness that. I'm the vault. But no, I've never had a reason but I can imagine especially as someone with addiction in my family yeah I'm sure that's some weird behind the scenes reason that I'm not really aware of but like I can imagine that it's really hard to quit something that's a habit at all I mean like this is so stupid but biting my fingernails has been a habit my whole life. And I can't quit it no matter how gross it is. Yeah, no matter how much I don't want to do it. It's just so ingrained in me. And it benefits me 0%. Right. So I can't imagine like something that could actually alter life. Oh, yeah, I was gonna say and then like,

if you add something like mind altering, and yeah, over time, you know, health. And again, no shade. I fucking literally for the last seven years have had a drink pretty much every single day of my life so i'm not i started my part of it too with the whole point of saying and then i went on a tangent uh that i do wonder like i feel like i missed my opportunity to learn how to drink like now that i'm 27 it's like no one wants to go watch me get fucked up at a bar. I do. Like what if we traded? Can you imagine if I'm just like. If I just got banana grams hot, like just freaking blasted out of my mind drunk. I eat ice cream and you get wasted.

What a weird turnaround. That would be like Twilight Zone episode. I definitely, I feel like I definitely missed the window though. And for that, I regret never drinking. I wish I at least had the experience and got to join in with everyone else having the experience now i feel like it would almost be like a novelty event of like watch me get drunk and everyone would want to be sober to watch me and then it would feel sad to drink by myself and i and also then like what do you get at like

right like sometimes people are entertained by it like it's not sometimes allison wants to like have a drink and then i feel bad because not that she's done this but in past relationships people held off from drinking around me because I guess they don't want you to feel weird or something that or maybe they felt weird drinking alone or like if they got drunk like I wasn't getting drunk with them right and so I hope I've always been kind of insecure about like you're allowed to drink like I know like you'd be doing it alone so maybe you just don't want to because that's a sad vibe but i i do wonder like i would love to get drunk with alice and that'd be so much fun but like it can be quite fun it'll never happen so well anyway and i again i want to say i used to fucking hate when people were like oh yeah i

just stopped drinking i'm like that's i can't do that like it really pissed me off because i was like oh okay good for you so i'm not trying to like, be like, Oh, look at me, I have virtue and whatever. It just kind of happened. So I would just say if that is something you're struggling with, like, hey, there's hope. Yeah, I was not expecting this whatsoever. I was like a whole summer off to drink beer. And no matter what stage you are in, in your recovery, if you feel you are in a recovery stage, we are proud of you. Like that is, it's incredible that you can even think to do it at all. Thank you. And for other people listening too. Yeah. I wouldn't, I don't know, like if you are going through like the toughest of it and you are going through the worst definition of alcoholism and you're trying to recover, we're

proud of you. And I'm also so impressed when people do write in and say like, Hey, I'm like this many years sober or like whatever. And I listened to your show. I'm i'm like sorry i fucking talk about getting wasted all the time i mean i don't talk about getting wasted but like sorry i talk about drinking all the time and that's a whole part and they're like no like it's it doesn't bother me so i'm that's pretty awesome too if you're out there and you need a sign to keep going this is it keep going we're super proud of you we are so proud of you and we love you even if you're not if you're still if you're a human being and breathing we're proud of you unless you're a lesbian then we're scared of you like there we go that is the moral of this gang up on let's by all means come on oh jk i love you all so now that we've talked for 20 minutes about alcohol god i'm so sorry i

this is why i was like i shouldn't even go there you guys know you if you don't know that we've talked for 20 minutes about alcohol god i'm so sorry i really this is why i was like i shouldn't even go there you guys know you if you don't know that we love our tangents by now and if you think we're actually afraid of lesbians you need to stop listening to the show sometimes our manager pops in and listens to an episode or two he's gonna listen to this be like what is going on he really only listens to maybe like every other 10th episode and he always has this like weird vague he like remembers certain things that we're like we don't even remember saying he'll remember this one i'm sure remember when you were an alcoholic and you admitted it on air i thought this was a comedy show yeah surprisingly we find ways to make the darkest things lighthearted so moving on to something else dark we can make like hearted let

me grab my wine i'm just kidding i was like where the fuck is it just kidding oh are you drinking anything instead i'm sure people want to know oh i've been drinking um i got a soda stream oh i heard about your soda stream is it going well i'm obsessed with it now you're gonna be addicted to caffeine for right no there's no it's sparkling water it just carbonates your water it's like lacroix but i can make as much of it as i want i found a shirt recently that looks like a lacroix and has the lacroix writing on it looks like a can like lacroix but i can make as much of it as i want i found a shirt recently that looks like a lacroix and has the lacroix writing on it looks like a can of lacroix on your shirt that's adorable but it says ya boy oh wait that's good with like b-o-i-x oh that's good i'm thinking i'm gonna buy that i probably will at some point um but yeah anyway so just a lot of sparkling

water with like i put like some raspberry syrup in there put some lemon squeeze in there wow like potions class just getting really creative all right put some vodka i was gonna say i did do that it was very delicious oh good you're on cocktails you're also experimenting with new drinks that's nice fewer cans speaking of our eco fewer boxes our fewer boxes our green green you're really doing it for the environment we all all know. You're welcome, world. So, let's tell a story. Eva's having a fucking panic attack editing. Like, what is this? Eva, just keep rocking in our corner like we know you are. So, this is a story from Mississippi.

This is supposedly one of the most haunted houses in Mississippi. Okay. If not the most. Nice. It has been featured in National Geographic magazine. It's been featured in Life magazine. It's been featured on the Travel Channel. It's been featured on a show called 48 Hours.

Oh, hell yeah. And it is in Vicksburg, Mississippi, which actually at the time, throughout time, because this is a really old house, throughout time, it was originally called Walnut Hills, Mississippi. Okay. It is now Vicksburg, Mississippi. Got it. And it is one of the most haunted cities in America. What? I've never...

I've never heard of it either. No. So haunted, in fact, that the ghost adventures team actually did a multiple episode series on this really and they just titled all of it haunted vicksburg and so one episode they were at this location one episode they're at this location in the whole town yeah so they just stayed in the town and went to multiple places that's kind of fun that's way fun let's do that okay okay so during the civil war the it's a Oh, by the way, this is called the McRaven mansion. Oh, I like it. Speaking of Mick, I had some McDonald's sweet tea today. So that's what I'm drinking. I know you didn't expense it. Remember? I didn't I should have missed opportunity, a dollar and a quarter all to waste. And for what tax exemption do we get on that? So it's now called the McRaven Mansion. I have to burp again.

Excuse me. I don't know what's wrong with me today. That's like the 18th time I've burped. You're not even drinking soda either, huh? Excuse me. No, I'm getting really bad heartburn as I get older. Oh, God. And I had a lot of things that demand heartburn to surface an hour later.

I started getting heartburn when we traveled. Remember, you and I both were like, what is this feeling? And I was like, that demand heartburn to surface an hour later. I started getting heartburn when we traveled. Remember you and I both were like, what is this feeling? And I was like, it's heartburn. You're like, welcome to the club. Trust me.

I got heartburn at least once a day. Mine's a lot better now that I'm home, but like traveling, I think it was all the different foods. I think I need a doctor. Cause I, I get really bad heartburn at least once a day. Really?

Yeah. And apparently that means there's something wrong with my esophagus. Take some, do you take antacids? No. Because here's the thing. I fucking hate anything that feels chalky and gritty in my mouth. What about.

Like Tums and shit. And you don't like liquid medication like Pepto-Pipo. I like pills. Is there an antacid pill? Yes. Okay. I'm going to start taking those. You don't have to like bite those giant chalky ones.

Those things truly make me get sick in my mouth. Yeah. It's pretty gross. It's vomitous. Well, it's literally made of chalk no it's not yes well i'm not surprised i mean it's heinous right like i would literally rather rather have heartburn every day it's n-a-c-l i believe that's literal chalk sodium chloride yes am i a chemist i don't know what a rhombus is but n-a-c-l i'm down with well that's chalk gross watch it not be chalk watch it be literally anything but chalk any even if that's wrong

keep it in keep it in even no matter what keep it in she's she's looking it up so that you can edit this out later but don't do it i swear i got this right on a um oh that's salt i was wondering i was like isn't that sodium what's chalk chalk i swear to god i was like sodium oh calcium carbonate sorry calcium carbonate is chalk and that's what tums is anyway that's the whole point of my story what it's also called it's disgusting so now all the history literature and scientists like we have scientists listening to us okay valid um alexander's girlfriend's a chemist she does not she listened to get herself a boyfriend she does not listen anymore she's like over the second we said that chalk equals salt she checked the fuck out the second she moved into my house she was like

i got what i came here for there's there's salt and chalk in the cabinets. We're good. So let's try this again. Salt. What is wrong with me? So it's called the McRaven Mansion, but during the Civil War, it was called the Bob House. Bob with two Bs. B-O-B-B. Cute.

And it's on the National Register of Historic Places, and it is still listed on the National Register of Historic Places as Bob House. Okay. register of historic places and it is still listed on the national register of historic places as bob house okay so if you were to be looking up the name of the house you would not find it on listed as mcraven mansion um it's now called mcraven instead of bob house because let me say it in the most basic way i can because the way i wrote it is just way too complicated. I mean, my mind's very complex as you just heard. So I mean, you are a chemist. So the Bob house used to be on McRaven street. Okay. Now it is called the McRaven house in honor of it, having been on McRaven street, but McRaven street is now, is now Harrison street. I got you. So Bob house on McRaven is now McRaven on Harrison. Got it. Cool. Um, it has been on the Mississippi department of archives and histories, historic preservation list since 1978. Nice.

And it is called the most haunted house in Mississippi. It is also the oldest standing structure in Mississippi. It's older than the civil war. Oh. Um, and it was, I mean, it was built starting. I say starting cause it was built in shifts sure but it was built in 1797 so literally when george washington was president just for some context there old school old school og your boy yes your boy gw was the president yeah

no keep going i love this i'm gonna stop um i've made enough of a fool myself it's your turn oh good um so the i say what started getting built because it's actually built in three sections so the original section the oldest part of the house was built in 1797 which is older than the state of mississippi um okay that's kind of cool i said it was older than the Civil War, and that's just not true. So please don't tweet me. I thought you said it was built in the 1700s. 1797. Okay. The house is older than the state of Mississippi.

So I just read the two sentences and mixed them up in my head. So sorry about that. What year was the Civil War? God, I hope Josh doesn't listen to this. He's going to fucking fire and drop us well america was 1776 the civil war happened in america so it was after 1776 right but so couldn't it still be when it'd be what 1820s i should know this shit well right 1860s 1860s close you actually delete no no listen if it's built if it was built in 1797, it is older than the Civil War.

So I don't really... Okay, so Eva, delete... No, do not! All right. You got me saying that salt was Pepto-Bismol or something. Eva, delete everything. Listen, we're Americans and the education system failed us so miserably. And we went to private school and obviously it didn't do us jack shit so

sorry world you know what's weird um so we went in private school we had a history teacher who i loved and he was super liberal which is probably why i loved him and he actually taught us history in a way that we could understand and taught it with dates and facts and so you would think i would fucking remember this information so so many parents apparently complained that he was too progressive in the way that he taught and didn't teach it classically it wasn't like the war of northern aggression yeah exactly right and so he ended up he i don't know if he ended up getting fired or just got so much backlash that he left but i remember being like wow i'm actually learning shit. I learned like maybe he told you the Civil War was in 1820.

No, he whatever he was teaching me, I was learning. And apparently we never got to the Civil War before he already got before he left. But no, I loved him. I he taught me AP Gov, the only API ever took. And I actually like really enjoyed it. And like it was the first time I ever took anything based in politics or history and loved it. Then he got kicked out. I took AP Euro.

Okay, that doesn't matter. Let's talk about this again. I'm sorry. So it is older than the Civil War. It's older than the Civil War. And the state of the Mississippi. But not older than GW. Okay.

Okay. The original section was built in 1797. This is where it starts getting dark. It was built in 1797 this is where it starts getting dark it was built in 1797 by andrew glass so andrew glass um he was part of the merle gang and the house was originally officially the house was originally a rest station quote for pioneers traveling through the nachos trace to the mississippi river but what it actually was instead of a rest station was since andrew was part of the merle gang um which was known to rob and murder murder people on the nachos trace um he would rob them murder them

and then store all of his loot in that house oh dear god so i think that house might have been like a hideaway and he this is me totally assuming because i didn't see this anywhere but my guess is it was seen as a welcoming place to stay so he could rob them easier since it was right where he planned on hiding all the loot okay so did i mean do people actually stay there i don't know all i know is it was considered a rest station so i'm assuming so weird okay um or at least maybe passed by for some fucking water or a bathroom or something a rest station for his merle gang maybe oh that actually makes sense too and then they would hide their shit there too i don't know genius so that's me that's you the genius so he built the second so there's

two floors but he built a kitchen on the bottom floor and that's it right and then on this above the kitchen was a bedroom and that was it okay he built the second floor without having any stairs available he built it so that on purpose he built it so that it was only accessible by a drop-down ladder oh because he was paranoid that eventually someone would either take his stuff that he had stolen sure or that he was going to get ambushed at night and hurt and so he wanted to make sure that if he was sleeping upstairs no one could get to like pull up his ladder he didn't take into consideration like guns shooting through a ceiling and then fire gun or something but okay if you don't have a gun you can't get to him was basically his goal or fire or fire or gas so he's anyway so uh the room today is still not very different from how he left it over 200 years ago oh shit um nearly 200 years ago someone actually at some point fought back at andrew and uh i guess

he might have been robbing him or something and the guy fought back and shot andrew um while still alive he was able to like limp home and before anyone else could quote finish the job and kill him he was too proud to just be killed by somebody that was like against him yeah so he went home and forced his wife to finish the job no so his wife slit his wrist his uh slit his throat for him no no no no no so his wife kills him in the bedroom oh my god and that was the first death in the house the fuck that's so dark after he moved in uh the next person to move in was a man named newit vick who was actually vicksburg's namesake oh and he only lived there temporarily that was more of a fun fact nothing really happened except he lived there okay in 1836 the

third people to move in was sheriff stephen howard um and his family he bought the house and he ended up doing the second build on it so remember it's getting built in sections so the first part of it was just the kitchen and then the bedroom on top then the sheriff moves in and he built a patio, a stairway, another bedroom, a dining room, a two porch, a two story porch and side balconies. So he made it. He added a stairwell. That's nice. I need to get up there, actually. The same year that he built all of it and moved in, his wife, Mary Elizabeth, died in the house during childbirth in one of the bedrooms.

She was only 15. it was the 1830s wow so i don't know if we're allowed to judge that or not i'm well it's just sad that she died either way she died at a very young age while giving birth very tragic and i don't think that i don't know if the child made but made it out either i think both of them might have died that's sad so this is really weird and morbid and gross but interesting the bed is in the house that she died in is still in the house with her funeral notice sitting next to it what very eerie charming charming can't wait to stay here if it's ever a b&b can't wait to make blaze do that on my side of the bed if anything ever

happens what the fuck you're like on the night my side of the bed if anything ever happens what the fuck you're like on the nightstand all of the wine glasses in your cabinet will say once drank by the legendary christine oh and then my funeral details uh that's actually the the the present like the thank you for coming in the goodie bags oh that's cute little favors yeah a shot glass love it uh so in 1849 uh the sheriff left um so the second death was his wife right okay uh then possibly the baby possibly the baby the the baby was never mentioned i don't know if the baby survived or not okay okay um it's only really said that she died okay so we're going off the basis that only two people have died so far. Sure. In 1849, the house was then bought by John Bob Hooten. Oh, John Bob.

What a name. John Bob. Like Jim Bob, but John Bob. I love it. So that is the namesake of the house originally being the Bob House. Amazing. So bought by John Bob in 1849, and that is when he built the third and final sections of this house. 1949 and that is when he built the third and final sections of this house so he built um the parlor a master bedroom a men's changing area not a woman's by the way not a person's just not a

non-binaries uh and a flying wing staircase so another staircase now we went from zero to two okay so what's cool about this is the house was built in such different times and such different architectural ways that National Geographic actually calls this house the time capsule of the South. Oh. Because it was built in three completely different ways at three completely different times. That is cool. So you'll go in different areas and some of it is built pioneer style, some of it is built in empire style, and some of it is built in Greek revival style. It's like a rock where you can see the different layers. I'm trying to. It's like a lasagna. Some of it is built pioneer style. Some of it is built in empire style. And some of it is built in Greek revival style. It's like a rock where you can see the different layers.

I'm trying to. It's like a lasagna. I'm trying to pretend like I learned something in my life. Right, right, right. It's like the rings of a tree. I definitely learned how to identify lasagna. If I learned anything in this life. In this cruel world.

So in 1863, this was during the Civil War, which means i really should have known it because it's in my fucking notes um and i know to be fair like i sound like such an idiot but when it comes to anything based out of like fredericksburg virginia history i know everything isn't that like literally where the civil war took place in virginia the battle of fredericksburg and then okay and then in uh like the battle of yorktown was a big area for the revolutionary war and i was a tour guide there so that's how i know most of the information but i went to college um you're not putting yourself in a good light here how after saying that the civil war was in 1820 oh well no but like i as a tour guide i was a really good tour guide, especially for the Battle of Yorktown.

I'm not from this country. So listen, if there's anything I know about, it's General Cornwallis and lasagna. So anyway, 1863. I know a thing or two about salt. Or none. Or nothing really. You know, a chemical compound for something. I think I should go back to drinking.

This doesn't suit me. I think drinking you is smarter you. I think maybe. Maybe I should drink. I'd be a genius. Probably. So in 1863 is the siege of Vicksburg during the Civil War. And McRaven, the house, was used to house and nurse Confederate soldiers.

house and nurse confederate soldiers so the house itself for being one a hospital for the confederate soldiers and also being so close to the railroad which was a hot spot during the war the house itself got really beat up quote battle wounds if you will it's super scratched up has a lot of blasts from like cannon fodder and shit so the house is not looking sharp in the 1860s. Okay. In 1864, John Bob still lived there. He, I guess he bought it to make it a hospital or at least rented it out as a hospital. Sure. Like moved out for a little bit and was like, you can have it. Sure. Until the war's over.

You can have it for now. So he, in 1864, he was living in the house again and saw a group of drunk Union soldiers in his garden picking flowers. Oh, that's nice. I think. It's nice, but he was a believer of the Confederacy. Oh, I see. Oh, the wrong side.

So he was pissed that they were there. And they were, I like to think of like really like happy, bubbly, drunk Union soldiers picking flowers. I think that's where my mind went to. But it could be like hammered military men just trashing your garden. Like ripping your plants out. Right. It could be the exact opposite. Like picking daisies. I think of like girls in bathrooms when they're drunk and how wonderful they are.

I imagine that in a garden. Right. It's just heaven. And we're building flower crowns. Right. But instead it was probably just like. A bunch of people just kicking your ground. Your geraniums. Yes. Sad. Fucking up your chrysanthemums really sad so john bob was pissed

yeah i would be too now that i worked myself now that i've framed i'm just picturing those geraniums and i'm just sad so next time uh so he told them to leave and apparently they weren't listening and so he threw a brick at them. Uh-oh! And the brick actually knocked a sergeant onto the ground. So the soldiers left, but they vowed to burn his house down. Oh, gosh. So the next time John Bob came home, there was a group of about 30 Union soldiers waiting for him.

They captured him, and then they shot him in the back and the face. I thought they were just going to burn his house down. They changed their mind. Shoot him in the face. God. They changed their mind. So they killed him on the property. Oh God. Okay. So in 1869, his widow sold the house and moved to New Orleans just to like get closer to more ghosts, I guess. I guess so. And in 1882, the house sold to the Murray family. So there's a man, William Murray, his wife, Ellen, and their children. So now it's the 1880s.

This is like the fourth or fifth family to live there. And in 1911, William dies. Is that the dad? That's the dad. 10 years later, his wife dies. And then two of his, no, one of his daughters and one of his sons died all before 1950 so now it's 1960 there's like at least seven ghosts from people who've died on the property because all of the family members i just mentioned all died in the house okay and

this was over like a 80 years from 1911 to 1950 oh 1911 i11. I thought you said 1880. Sorry. They moved in in the 80s, in the 1880s. Right. And then in 1911, William died. And then 10 years later, his wife died. And then by 1950, two of the other kids had died. Okay. Got it. So now it's 1960.

The only two daughters that the Murray family had left had been left the house. And so they'd been living there as spinsters their whole life. Love it. One of them in 1960 died at 81 years old in the house. Okay. So now it's the fifth family member to die in this house. And the last daughter wanted to move into a retirement home. So she sold the house.

Got it. At this point, because of how old her and her sister were, they weren't really going upstairs anymore. They'd really neglected a lot of the building while they lived there so when she sold it it was pretty much dilapidated and neighbors didn't even know it existed and uh the whole top floor was overgrown with vines oh my god and apparently they were like breaking down furniture to be firewood because they like didn't want to leave the house i guess okay so Wow. Okay. So it was in rough shape. Sure. So they sold it in 1961 to the Bradway family. Okay. Or 1960 sold to the Bradway family. The Bradway family restored it and then tried to make it into a touring home. Like you could go take tours of it.

But by 1979, they sold it to the Harvey family. I'm not expecting anyone to remember all these names. I'm just trying to show that I did my research. I'm glad you're not expecting that of me. In 1979, the Bradways sold it to the Harveys. The Harveys did an intense re-restoration, so a second coming of restorations. This was like big time, like anything that you can imagine them needing to fix. Okay. They fixed.

Wow. They corrected the woodwork. They corrected wiring. They corrected fix. Okay. They fixed. Wow. They corrected the woodwork. They corrected wiring. They corrected plumbing. They corrected plastering. Damn. They had samples of the original carpet and had them reproduced. Love that.

They did research on each period of the house. So like they had three different periods they had to look at. Each lasagna layer. Each lasagna layer was built at a different time. So they had to make sure they had all the right ingredients. I love that. And so they had authentic paint, wallpaper, fabrics, and furnishings for all three different periods that the house was built at a different time so they had to make sure they had all the right ingredients love that and so they had authentic paint wallpaper fabrics and furnishings for all three different periods that the house was built in i love that they didn't just gut it and make it like they made

it as authentic as possible yeah that's really cool and the they rebuilt the front and rear porches and the rafters in the attic that had been damaged since the civil fucking war um and then in 1984 they sold the house to a man named leyland french for a quarter million dollars okay only a quarter million dollars after all that restoration we're in mississippi i feel like it's not la pricing sure in the 80s in the 80s right and that's i feel like that's probably quite a bit of money still i mean yeah i don't feel like dropping a quarter million dollars on anything right now um oh really not much i only have like millions of dollars so i have to be savvy with my budget with your mcdonald's purchases a dollar 25 for a good sweet tea so leyland french that's the first

name i need you to really remember i remember it okay so leyland french, so the house got sold to him in the 80s. And he did further restoration, including since he, he actually wanted to move in. So for the last 20 years, people who were living there, although they were doing restorations left and right, weren't living there. Okay. They were just doing restorations for the sake of being good people. So French was the first person to actually live in the house. And so he did more restorations just so it was more accommodating to people in the 1980s. So he made a modern kitchen and a bathroom for himself. And a waterbed. Right, exactly.

Which I think is fair. If you're going to live in an old-ass house, you might as well have a good toilet. Update the showerhead or something. Yeah, exactly. So he was the first owner to live there since the Murray's, which I think was like three families ago. Oh God. Yeah. I definitely don't remember. So according to ghost adventures, actually, I couldn't find this information anywhere else. So I am giving ghost adventures credit. Trusting Zach. There is a

former employee that used to work in the house while french lived there oh um and he says that leyland french actually performed some occult rituals there for real and probably opened up some portals he couldn't close oh um he's apparently like he could hear voices so remember that he could hear things he could hear things in the house leyland or the employee leyland french so he okay the employee's just telling the story, but Leyland French. Like claim to hear things. Claim to hear things. And, uh.

Yeah. Just didn't look like a good thing to a point where an exorcism was, was. Needed. Was needed on the house. Oh no. So again, I couldn't find that information anywhere else. Um, there have been stories that there were priests that came to the house. Okay.

But Ghost Adventures is saying that an actual exorcism happened on the house. Understood. Okay. So in 2007, French actually left the house and boarded it up. Oh. And so it was abandoned for eight years until 2015 when the house was bought by the Reed family, who still owns it. They bought the house for $1.75 million. Okay. It's really jumped.

Skyrocketed. Skyrocket. And they host historical and ghost tours. Oh, fun. So fun fact, two people who have visited this house are the actors from the Beverly Hillbillies. Oh my god, okay. And so their autograph is on the wall somewhere. I was like, please tell me they're like memorialized. They like signed the wall. Oh, I love that. So now I'm going to tell you about the ghosts. Please. That was a lot of stuff happening there. I was very invested.

So here are the ghosts. So activity has been told on A&E, the travel channel, the show 48 Hours, and a show for Destination America called Haunted Town. Oh, I've seen that. So there's an episode of that. Cool. Some of the spirits are said to be the daughters that lived there their whole lives oh yeah i bet that makes sense and as well as obviously fallen civil war soldiers right and people have said that there is somewhere between 11 and 25 deaths that happened on the property not including the soldiers. Oh, wow.

Okay. So I don't know where those other deaths came from. I guess all those years ago when he was doing his little, had his little gang there. Yeah. Maybe there was more robs and murders. More robs. More robs. Love a good rob.

Love a good rob. So somewhere between 11 and 25, during a dig in the backyard in the year 2000, apparently there were enough bones found to build up to 11 bodies. No. What? In the backyard? In the backyard.

Jesus. And they're probably guessing those were Civil War soldiers. They just were like, hmm. But I mean, they found enough bones to literally make up 11 bodies, which don't people have like 206 bones in their bodies? Times 11? I mean, that's literally

thousands of bones yeah i'm not gonna pretend that i know but that's at least 2060 plus 206 well i guess typically when they find enough bones it usually doesn't mean like oh well we found this many say like femur like there has to be found like 11 skulls and 11 bones right or 22 tibias. But anyway. Okay. I get what you mean. I hear you. I hear you and you hear me and we hear each other.

Loud and clear. And everyone else is like, we don't hear a god. Everyone's like, I've already lowered the volume. You gods are idiots. So they found a lot of fucking bones is how I should have really said that. TLDR. I get it now. So ghost hunters that have done investigations there were somehow told, I don't know if this was through psychics or through like evp sessions or something but they were told that up to 14 spirits

are on the property okay um that fits some estimate the number is higher up to 25 and that's not counting the soldiers or as uh one of the tour guides has said also not counting the native americans that have died there because this was also a path through the Trail of Tears. Oh, fuck. So a lot of death, a lot of sorrow, a lot of bad energy. Yeah. So here are some of the things that have happened there. So the main hotspot is Andrew Glass's old room,

because it's the original room. It's also where the first death happened. The one up the non-existent stairs? Yes. Okay. The one that was accessible through the ladder. Got it. So it was the first death. It was on up this the non-existent stairs yes okay the one that was accessible through the ladder got it so it was the first death it was a death at all it was the death of a really horrible person right who had a lot of bad energy because he was already probably had a lot of energy attached to him since also a violent death also a violent death yeah also the

oldest room sure also older than the civil war so i fucking like to say also he created it right so like he built the property right yeah so a lot of horrible stuff it's apparently like the most active spot would make sense a lot of things have happened there which i will get into but the one that i saw online at least is that a chair has picked itself up off the floor and slammed down onto the ground in front of somebody. Uh-oh. Another thing that's happened is Leland French, he saw William Murray, another previous owner's apparition on the staircase, and rumors say that that apparition actually chased him. Oh. Oh.

Okay. Keep in mind, this is the guy that also had all those occult rituals where he opened doors. So a lot of people don't have personal experiences that were negative of the spirits there but leyland french was regularly attacked and it might be because he was messing around with sure opening some portals he couldn't close not smart so he was getting chased by apparitions i don't know anybody else in this story who did got it okay okay um leyland french saw william murray's apparition of staircase. It said chased him.

Um, French was also pushed by the spirits one time. So hard that he fell face first, broke his glasses and the glasses cut into his face and he needed stitches. Oh God. I said he could feel like a boot standing on his back. So he couldn't get up.

Okay. Don't open portals kids. Are you listening to me? Another time time a drawer slammed onto his hand so hard it broke both his thumbs first of all how are you closing a drawer you just like stick your whole hand or he's like going under maybe oh could be yeah yeah yeah cupping it so his thumbs were on top could be i don't know it's not how i would open a drawer but no not quite it's also not how i would open a drawer but no not quite it's also

not how i would close a drawer break my thumbs but whatever um who am i to say no judgment zone no judgment so these were allegedly some of the reasons why he actually left out of nowhere and boarded up the house because he just didn't want the spirits like i'm gonna i don't want these spirits that i just invited into this home right i made a mistake that i can't correct leyland uh so the most active spirit is mary eliz, who's the 15 year old who died during childbirth. Okay. The wife of the sheriff. Sure.

She, so the Andrew Glass room is supposedly one of the more haunted hot spots. Okay. But Mary Elizabeth is one of the most active spirits. Okay. She's also super nice and friendly and playful so we think i mean she's a child if you think about it right yeah most of her activity is in the bedroom upstairs where she died she regularly plays with uh the bedside lamp in this room um it turns on and off by itself all the time to a point where previous owners would get calls in the middle of

the night from their neighbors that the lights would turn on again like they'd be like oh the lights are on your house again oh my god ew yeah so it was just always going on and off like while they weren't there you mean while they weren't there oh god okay but also there were several families who didn't live there they were just sure they just paid for it to be restored ew so stuff would be happening so they would get calls all the time in a different house being like yeah the lights are on again oh they're off now they're on i all the time in a different house being like, yeah, the lights are on again. Oh, they're off. Now they're on.

I mean, I know neighbors do that, too, if, like, is someone in the house. Like, you know, look out for each other. My neighbors are like that in Virginia. Yeah, like, we would always tell our neighbors, like, oh, we're leaving town. Yeah. So let us know if there's anything going on. I mean, so if you see lights going on. Yeah, say something.

No, nobody's home. See something, say something. That's what we always say. So her apparition is also seen on the staircase a lot, also in the diner and in her bedroom. She likes to play pranks on people and people have heard a woman's voice. In the diner? In the dining room. Oh, sorry.

I might have said diner back. I was like, cool. They've got a diner now. A lot of upgrades. And eight staircases. She likes to play pranks. People hear a diner now. A lot of upgrades. And eight staircases. She likes to play pranks. People hear a woman's voice. People have seen her on tours.

And they've seen impressions of a body on their bed. On the bed. There have also been a lot of personal archives in the house that were on display for a long time that people could hold themselves and interact with. So her wedding shawl has been in the house that were on display for a long time that people could like hold themselves and interact with. Okay. So her wedding shawl has been in the house and for a long time guests could actually hold it themselves and like examine it. And guests would always report that it felt really hot. Ooh. And then it would just fly out of their hands by itself. She's like, get off my veil.

She would literally rip it away from them. Like, get that shit off away from you. I can't finger, smudgy fingerprints all over it. She likes to interact with the guests. Apparently, it's suggested that she's an intelligent haunting, not a residual haunting. So if you ask questions, you'll get answers from an EVP, things like that. In general, although she's the most active, these are other things that people have heard from spirits here. People have witnessed voices, footsteps, knocking, tapping, banging, whispers, door slamming,

lights going on and off, alarm clocks going off at all hours for no reason. Apparitions are seen throughout the home. And apparently if you take pictures of the mirror, there is someone standing in the mirror looking at the people in the room. No. So there was, that happened accidentally, I guess, where there was a bunch of people on a tour. Someone took a picture of the room no so there was that happened accidentally i guess where there was a bunch of people on a tour oh someone took a picture of the room and when you look at the picture in the mirror someone is standing there watching the crowd creepy um apparently objects

move by themselves a few times there have been dominoes that were neatly stacked when they closed for the night and then they came back the next morning and they were scattered all over the table oh um tour guides have been picked up and thrown across the hall oh my god and there has been an evp actually i want to try and find this for you because it was way fucking creepy should i pause it no i can do this yeah pause it elevator music sorry yeah i'll hold it up to the mic okay so there is an evp there's several evps that have been caught in this house but this one kind of freaked me out because i didn't understand it first i was listening to it and i was like i don't understand it all you hear is a woman talking like what's going on behind the voice that's and then that was the action and it was like oh the woman talking is the evp there was nobody talking oh god okay so um in the it was in the living room and apparently in reference to

a clock in the room you hear a woman say that's a funny old clock and i that was the part where i was like okay so she says that's a funny old clock now where's the voice whispering that's the evp the evp is the woman saying that's a funny old clock. Now where's the voice whispering? That's the EVP? The EVP is the woman saying that's a funny old clock because nobody was speaking. Okay. Okay, I'm going to play this. I feel like I've been primed to hear that now, though. I could hear it pretty clear. It wasn't a guessing game for me.

All right. I don't know how loud this is going to be. I've never played it from a computer onto the mic. We can try a few times to see which one sounds best. Okay. And also, I do not own this. This is not mine this is from youtube okay mcraven home that's a funny old clock

did you hear it and that i mean to me it sounds like that's a fucking old clock it sounds like what i would say right here i sounds like, that's a fucking old clock. It sounds like what I would say. Wait, hang on, I'll hear it again. That's a fucking old clock? I hope that's what she's saying. I think that's what she's saying. That's a fucking old clock.

That's what I'd be saying. Younger than you, you're a ghost. Okay. That is... It sounded creepy enough to me that it warranted me showing you guys. I mean, it's definitely somebody speaking, which is just... It's definitely like word by word. It's a sentence.

Like I feel like sometimes you hear an EVP and it's like... Yeah, it could be a voice. You'll hear like... And then you hear like SpongeBob SquarePants. What? But that was definitely like... That was like word for word a sentence. Even the rhythm of it.

Like a cadence. A cadence. Like you can tell someone's speaking. Yeah. Yuckeroony. Anyway, so that is that. That's the first EVP we've ever played on this show, despite a lot of requests. So sorry.

Sorry. We don't know the legal ramifications. I feel like if I say I don't own it and I don't claim it's mine, then I maybe can get away with it. But so anyway, the owners that are currently there, the Reed family, they have said, and I quote, oh, it's haunted, but nothing demonic, nothing evil. It's just playful. And once you know they're there. Sure.

Okay. But then you tune into a little show called Zach's Attacks. And they made it very clear that something pretty dark is there. Well, they this episode, they actually had two of the actual tour guides who have had They made it very clear that something pretty dark is there. Wow. This episode, they actually had two of the actual tour guides who have had really not so great experiences. I mean, like, people are getting thrown across the hallway. Like, it's not all positive. It's not friendly, playful.

It's too, it's like one of those things where, like, maybe it's super playful and super strong and doesn't realize that that's not true. Like that book. Right. So. Do you know what I mean? What book? It's not like that book right so do you know what i mean what book so like that book you're like right i think i thought you said something else like where he crushes the oh i don't want to talk about it what where he crushes the you don't know book i'm talking about no he doesn't know his own strength oh my gosh it reminds me of like when i used to wrestle with my pet dog and then i realized

one day he was stronger than me and i was like oh we're not wrestling this is no longer a game yeah that i want to you've grown up too much hold on i'm sorry it's one of those books that i never read but i feel like everybody else had to read are you talking about the hulk stupid oh not so i'm not talking about talking of mice and men oh with lenny with lenny got it okay nope okay he doesn't never mind i'm not gonna talk about it it's very sad okay anyway this thing was either my dog the hulk or lenny um doesn't know what's on trend leland or leland or leland so let's get into zach's attacks okay so tmtm uh so they talk to he starts out interviewing the reed family or at least the the husband So let's get into Zach's attacks. Okay. So TM, TM. TM, TM, TM, TM.

So they talk to, he starts out interviewing the Reed family, or at least the husband of the family. And he says, do you live here? Like, do you just do tours here? Do you live here? And he literally said no, because it's haunted. So that's the only reason they don't live in that house. Even though he's like, it's friendly, but. Right.

It's friendly and playful and you shouldn't be scared. But also I refuse to live here. We want nothing to do with it. So one of the tour guides that actually does go on into the investigation with them. She said that something happens there every. Oh, this is a quote from her. Something happens every single night that I'm here and I'm here four days a week. Ooh.

So that's some confidence. Yep. Another guide said that ever since her first. I'm paraphrasing, but this was basically what she said. Ever since the first time she has come onto the property, she was always hearing and feeling things and it never felt unsafe until one day when that guide was the tour, not this same tour guide, but it was the same day that a tour guide had been literally picked up and thrown across the hallway. Oh God. that a tour guide had been literally picked up and thrown across the hallway oh god she heard about that and this tour guide who had always felt like nothing there was dangerous or unsafe she felt someone's hand slide up her thigh oh and she heard a voice in her said that said i had you

fooled and then she heard an evil laugh and she went home that night and had a nightmare that someone was chasing her but she couldn't see who she passed by a mirror and looked at herself but it wasn't her face anymore because someone was controlling and contorting her facial movements inside of her so and that all happened the the thing sliding up and touching her happened in andrew glass's room i'm gonna throw up so she no longer gives tours in that room. Understandably so. In that room. So she still gives tours.

Oh, God, I would be out of there so fast. Horrifying. So that's pretty dark. I mean, that's that's enough for me to never want to go. That's dark. Yes. Heavily, heavily dark. The Reed family has also dug up human remains on the property before.

They found a human femur bone that was perfectly cut at the top by a saw, so they expect it was an amputated leg. Oh, weird. Okay. It was, like, torture? No, like, probably amputated from the war. Okay. Makes more sense. Apparently, you can just go there and dig all around, and you still find bones and ammunition all the time.

Wild. So, naturally, the ga team decided that they were going to go metal detecting on the property they did they found a bone pretty quickly like pretty much right away they found a bone they found cannonball shrapnel and they found buck and ball ammo um so that was all before the investigation during the investigation they took the two tour guides with them and then they pretty much went right into using the structured light-censored equipment. So the stick figure guy. Oh, yeah.

I love that guy. So if you don't know what I'm talking about, there's a machine where it's basically a motion detector. But the algorithm inside the equipment combines all of the movement it's seeing into dots and lines and basically tries to build a stick figure of the person you're seeing standing in front of you like movement right so if he's walking the stick figure walks it tries to it tries to uh almost like a radar it tries to like keep track of all the movement happening around you in human form right so uh immediately there's a stick man standing to the left of one of the tour guides without telling her what's going on. The tour guide said, I feel something next to me.

I feel cold on my left hand. Oh, wow. So, and they knew it was standing there, but she did. It was on her left side and she didn't know. No, thank you. The figure disappeared. And as soon as it disappeared, something walked through Zach and he felt angry all of a sudden, pretty much right away.

They're experiencing stuff yeah the digital recorder with brand new batteries immediately dies they have a spirit box session and say what's your name and they got the name andrew for andrew glass um while in the room where uh andrew glass had had his wife kill him they got an evp of him saying i've come to die oh god okay and they have someone else come in the room well because they felt like they were kind of in a trance they were just standing there not doing anything but felt like they were kind of controlled so they brought someone else in as a third set of eyes and immediately her heart started pounding she started shaking and everyone got really agitated oh the spirit box batteries drain

zach gets even angrier and then the walkie-talkie batteries start dying and he so we can't hear the control room telling him where he needs to go or what's going on oh god it like cuts off communication pretty much which is pretty i mean that's like that's spooky scary and also very smart of a ghost to know the like oh let me just cut out all of your batteries yep which means though if we're speaking about like paranormal theory here right if it's one by one going from machine to machine to machine sucking out all the energy it's building up a lot of energy which means it has a lot of power grotesque um so one of the guides her name is jay and uh and then aaron they do another spirit box session and at the same time both of them feel something grab their waist and their leg.

And then at the same time that that happens, the spirit box says JJ. Oh. Which is apparently her nickname at work instead of Jay. No, no, no. So it knew her nickname. Grabbed both of them. And then Jay starts feeling really sick. She gets a migraine.

She begins acting weird for someone who was really on edge originally. She's acting very lax and very chill. And then when asked, Mary, can you hear us? An orb flies at the spirit box and then they hear in real time. They hear a loud female scream and then a male voice in the spirit box say tonight. What the frick? then jay goes into andrew glass's room the room gets really cold and jay hears a whisper in her ear which was also caught on the recorder both infrared cameras begin dying out even though they have fresh batteries

and then there's a weird flashing anomaly over mary's bed flying towards the tour guides. Wow. They do this. I haven't seen this done before, but there was an infrasound experiment where basically they were trying to create their own energy for the ghosts to manipulate. And as they were making the, they were trying to increase the, I guess the energy in the room. I don't really know what they were doing. They didn't give really any explanation. But as it was happening, Aaron all of a sudden started feeling really weird his left arm started

hurting and going numb and then his fingers on his left side started going numb and he was afraid he was about to start having a heart attack i was gonna say yeah and so he left immediately but that's pretty terrifying that something can literally create a heart attack or like feel like it at least yeah at least make you yeah you think you are. Then they ask, they go to the other side of the house and start talking to John Bob. And they say, did you get killed by Union soldiers? And this is creepy as hell. They hear this really loud, long lasting banging and knocking like objects are being dragged around upstairs. Oh God.

And they go upstairs and look. And the lamp that was on the table is now sitting upright on the floor oh there are pieces of brick all over the floor that shouldn't be there as if someone threw a brick just like how john bob threw a brick at the union soldiers oh fuck and this there could there was no like massive brick and they just found like the tiny little pieces like they only found little pieces of brick all over the floor and there was a table that had dragged itself across the room and like an armoire's doors had opened on their own. Oh my gosh. Ew.

The lamp moving to the floor is so creepy to me because it didn't fall. It just moved. Which like the investigative team didn't know until the tour guide followed them in and said, that's not supposed to be there. Why is that on the floor? That was on the, uh-uh. didn't know until the tour guide followed them in and said that's not supposed to be there that's why is that on the floor that was on the uh-oh so then they used it was basically like the ovulus which i love the spirit box that in microsoft sam right speaks words to you and has a dictionary built in there's basically a texting version of that called puck which is equally expensive and sounds fun yeah but basically you type in the question

and then you say it out loud you only type it for yourself so it's logged away got it but you ask a question and then it's almost like a silent ovulus spirit box so instead of it saying the word out loud the same built-in dictionary just shows you text of the word it just reads it out for you it's so spooky but so it's like you're almost having like a text conversation with these ghosts it's like a.m it's like in semester i wonder what his uh what his handle was i wonder what his away message was i don't know all the way down i saw you gavin de grom so anyway they're using this texting service i suppose and as a train is passing by and you can hear it through the window, they thought that that was like an opportunity to ask a question. So they said, what is passing us right now?

And apparently the ghost took it differently and didn't know that they were talking about the train. They thought he meant spirits. So he said, what is passing us right now? The word French showed up. So Leyland French was walking past them and then all of a sudden they felt really cold energy blowing around all of them and when they asked out loud what and remember leyland french used he was doing like different rituals to talk to spirits so they asked what did you use to see spirits? And then the text message app thing wrote back stones.

It's like crystals and stuff. Oh. Then they said, what part of your body did the spirits use? Like to talk to you. Sure. And it came back ears. And he was known to like hear. He was known for hearing a bunch of spirits.

But yeah, so here. So he got they got french stones and ears yeah um but i mean even if let's say it's like a random algorithm that just shoots out weird what are the odds you say body part and ears came out and yeah unless it's like triggered right but even to say french yeah that was weird like there should have been no hinting at that if there's a name yeah it's a name pretty weird huh or what do you use stones like it's i don't know it's very weird it's spooky but anyway that is the story of the mcraven house that one was i've never heard of that before you wanna hear something really stupid yeah it auto saved after i deleted all the notes i saw

you deleting every line and i was like you're gonna going to lose all of that. Usually I do that, but then I control Z and save it, but I closed it, so now nothing's coming back. You closed it? So now it's not coming back. Emma! It's just empty. Well, if I ever need the notes, I can listen to this episode. Eva, don't bleed anything I said. However, you can go, I think, through old autosaves.

You should be able to access old autosaves. Well, what is it? It's not Word, is it? It's Pages. Okay, I don't know about Pages. I know on Word you can access old autos well what is it it's not word is it it's pages okay i don't know about pages i know on word you can access old you can probably you can probably access it well i have a backup and it's called listening to my own fucking show oh so yeah it's fine i guess moving on tell me your tell me your tale actually let me get a sip of the sweet tea. Please. By all means. Sip it up. Oh, it's hot.

Gross. From how warm it is in here. Yeah. It used to have ice in here. How long has it been in this room? You know how long. Two minutes. Three hours. Blaze is ordering food. Do you want anything? What kind of food?

I don't know. No, I'm good. I'll go home. Unless it's something I really love. i just told him to pick whatever then just order for me so i don't know what it is okay never mind sorry well and also i can probably promise you that it'll be either gross to me gross but gross to me yeah yeah anchovy pizza like maybe we've been yeah you guys are foul oh please your eating habits are so gross work on those next work on the we're cutting out anchovies next you will leave this in here does anybody else agree with this or is um christina loves anchovies okay but i love a lot of food it's not like i only eat anchovies you're just hung up on that i like

anchovies you and i have do up on that I like anchovies. You and I do have very different tastes, though. What, a Caesar salad? You don't like a Caesar salad? Mm-mm. Okay, but that's a normal food. It's not that weird. Okay, but getting pizza with anchovies on it is definitely weird.

It's not weird. It's delicious. Also, just in general, you and I have very different food tastes. We have actually the opposite. Like, a completely opposite food taste. Anything I think sounds delicious, I can pretty have very different food tastes. We have actually the opposite. Like, truly. Completely opposite food tastes. Anything I think sounds delicious, I can pretty much guarantee Christine would hate. Even if it's like a normal food. Actually, I don't know because I don't dislike really any foods.

You dislike more foods that I like. It's more like if there's something I love, you probably hate it. That's true. I think it's more the formula. Like, I'm really... I don't eat anything. I'm really against Korean food. I can't... food i can't my

stomach can't handle it for some reason oh and i don't think it tastes very great yum i like it and i i when i first met you you and blaze were on a korean food kick and so you guys would be like oh we're eating korean korean korean for dinner and i'd be like oh i'll eat something else before there's no cuisine that i don't like so like i think the problem is just that I like a wide variety of things there's a lot of cuisines I don't like you don't like them that's more fair I think that's more of the I'm more picky because I'm not really picky but I think that's the problem like do you like pineapple on your pizza no yeah I love that gross okay now you're a sicko no it's so good there should not be fruit in my food like sweet fruit should not be in my savory but you should

have something sweet with something salty which makes perfect sense no you shouldn't that's wrong okay that's incorrect okay says someone who likes anchovies on your pizza i'll take you seriously with your pizza tastes yeah says the person who likes pine fruit canned fruit on their pizza like do you hear yourself at least mine is like an actual protein like a hawaiian pizza if you threw some ham on that disgusting and i also don't eat pigs that's true i don't eat the ham for the record i don't like hawaiian pizza i just like pineapple pizza so i'm only 50 gross gross because that's not even a normal food that's like you made your own sick food double pineapple is my literally on my dominoes pizza profile to scream at you

when i tell my echo to deliver a pizza to me she knows exactly you probably just ordered one she knows exactly what i want you just ordered me an anchovy pizza thank you because my echo knows what the hell i want god our echoes are not friends we'd be terrible roommates i'd be like i'm getting a pizza so do you want me to buy you your own whole pizza or do you want no no pizza? I'd be like, I'm cooking some Korean food. And you'd be like, fuck you. I'm ordering pineapple pizza. At least you know, I'm never gonna eat anything out of your fridge. I mean, literally, the first time you came over, Blaise and I tried to cook for you. And you were like, get out of my face, please. This is horrifying. I'm ordering a burger.

Yes, I think that sounds right. I'm lucky that Blaise and I are both very uh uh adventurous with our food let's put it that way yeah i'm scared of everything yeah all right well moving on now that we've completed this therapy session let me tell you about what i picked for my topic this week okay so this i was like trying to find a topic this week and i was going through a couple and i wasn't like super happy i just got a notification your postmates order has been accepted so i thought it was gonna be your domino's pizza has been delivered oh my god so who knows what the hell blaze ordered but

i'm gonna be very surprised curious um okay oh please just text me i ordered you tacos so oh that's nice sorry i'm i'm down with tacos so okay but about about uh so i couldn't decide between like between several topics and then i went on twitter and i just so happened to see a tweet from nicole that said hey why don't you cover this guy and i was like never heard of him okay so i just went totally love a good suggestion tweet yeah total 180 just out of the blue so thank you nicole um she said that michael swango which is the topic that i'm covering okay uh he is imprisoned right near where she lives oh cool so neighbors uh so i'm going to cover michael swango today who i had never heard of okay so michael swango he was born in tacoma washington i love tacoma never been oh it's

very fun you would like it and then he immediately moved to quincy illinois okay never mind love it never been there oh you'd love it oh really fun uh he played clarinet in his high school band it was valedictorian me too yeah same same z God. Did Gio just fall? I think Blaze scared him. He was valedictorian, just like us, as you can tell by all our wealth of knowledge. Wealth. About chemistry and... Yes. All the other...

If wealth equals the opposite of wealth, my poor education. All our poverty of education. Right. Lack of oxygen to my brain is more what it seems like these days. So he played clarinet in his high school band, was valedictorian, graduated in 72. After high school, he enrolled in Milliken University in Decatur, Illinois, where he received a full music scholarship. So he went to school for music. He had really good grades during the first two years.

He was known as being a brilliant student. However, then his girlfriend dumped him oh boy and he did not handle that well turn for the worst turn for the worst he uh he became a total outcast um he was a recluse his outlook completely changed for the negative uh he decided to quit school and join the marines so he's like peace out no more music for me i'm done i'm a i'm a changed man changed man all because of megan dumping me ain't that the truth ain't that the truth we've all been there um quitting our clarinet career thanks megan uh so he did well in the marines but he decided after a while that he wanted to go back to college and become a doctor.

So off he went, uh, back to Quincy, but he ended up going to Quincy university this time. Um, and side note, like, I don't know, this didn't become relevant, but it was like mentioned that his time in the armed forces inspired him to make fitness a major part of his life. So he was, well, I was gonna gonna i literally wrote same in my notes after this sentence he was often seen jogging or performing calisthenics and was known to perform push-ups as a form of self-punishment okay wow same actually went from ironic to real realistic very fast um so he was often seen jogging and performing calisthenics and he was known to

perform push-ups as a form of self-punishment when his instructors criticized him for something like jesus is that the truth however he graduated sumo cum laude he was awarded the american chemical society award and then he decided to go on to med school wow this is like basically reading my biography right i was like god emin i can relate so hard um so he went on to med school at southern illinois university siu school of medicine and this is kind of where things took a turn. And I said, never mind. I don't want to be associated with this person anymore. So apparently, Swango began to display what one article called troubling behavior during his time at SIU.

So he was extremely bright, like I said, but he spent most of his time working as an ambulance attendant rather than focusing on his studies. And he started to display a fascination with dying patients. Many of his patients ended up coding when he worked on the ambulance. And at least five died while under his care. What's coding? Like when you, like a code stroke or when you go into like immediate shock or something. Like life-threatening danger. Got it.

You have to call a code. So at least five died well under his care and uh his classmates and teachers were kind of like some like he's not we don't trust this guy and good not great yeah they were like something's up we don't really trust him and nearing graduation it was discovered kind of unsurprisingly to a lot of people that he slango had faked checkups during his obgyn rotation so he just like forged the checkups and been like yeah i was there i did it and made it all up so he was almost expelled wow keyword almost okay uh which i think nowadays you'd be fucking expelled if you were in med school and you were like i made up all these

patients like you can't do that so he was almost expelled but one member of the committee voted to give him a second chance um and since at the time a unanimous vote was required for a student to be dismissed he was allowed to graduate yep because of that one person so he graduated with a medical degree on the condition that he repeat his ob-gyn rotation and not forge all the can you imagine geez he's your doctor and you're like really like this guy who failed the first time and now he has to. I feel bad for the second round of people who have to be his. Exactly. And his care again.

Nah, no thanks. So all of this, despite the fact that over the past few years, his fellow students and faculty members were reporting concerns about his competence to practice medicine. But that one person said, let's give him a second chance. So he graduated so unsurprisingly on upon graduation he got a very poor evaluation from the dean but surprisingly he was accepted into a surgical internship at ohio state university medical center to be followed by a residency in neurosurgery so like somehow despite all of that back history so now he's allowed to work on brains. Yeah. Super duper. He went from vaginas all the way up.

Oh, from toe to head. The most important parts. The two most important parts. Oh, okay. So now, weirdly enough. Okay. So I did not know this was like based a lot of the story in Columbus. And literally yesterday, Alexander and I recorded an episode of Beach to Sandy based at Ohio State University in Columbus and all the bars reading reviews of the bars around it.

So I don't know. I'm just stuck on this campus, I guess. And that's where Renee goes to school. So I can't escape it. Apparently, some shit goes down. Love it. School, including this guy's allowed to work on your brain. So this is a 1983.

And I actually was thinking about this can you imagine if there was facebook back then and like you knew this guy in college and then all of a sudden he's like in this neurosurgery rotation at osu and you're like wait what the fuck that guy cheated like the entire time and spent all his time like watching people die on the ambulance and now he's a fucking nerd like that would just would just be so... I can't imagine having to do, like, a round with him. Yeah. Such hot gossip, I feel like. There's no way he had friends at his job, right?

It didn't seem so. And I will go on to explain more in depth about his working life, but it did not seem that he was very... Social. Yeah. Socially popular. Exactly. Got it. Yeah.

Socially popular. Exactly. Got it. So during his time at OSU, nurses noticed that healthy patients began dying mysteriously with alarming frequency. How did they not pull him away immediately? This is what I never understand. Well, I will tell you. And oddly, the nurses picked up that Swango had been the floor intern each time one of these patients died mysteriously with alarming frequency then at that point i would also be like i would if i were somehow capable of it i would be not just suing this guy i'd be suing the entire staff it's like oh if you've picked up on all this information

why are you not taking him away from working here get ready oh okay the nurses reported their concerns to administrators collectively but were met with accusations of paranoia and were ignored. Oh my god, let me guess. So all the administration were straight white men. And all of the nurses that reported it were smart ass women. So essentially, they were fucking ignored. And they were like, we tried our best. They were there. They saw it with their own two eyes. And they got ignored. So so they did what they could. I mean, they were just sometimes you just couldn't fucking do anything, I guess. Got it.

You could if you had power and they just didn't. Sure. Sucks. So Swango was cleared by a cursory investigation in 84. However, his work had been so slovenly, quote unquote, that OSU was like, never mind. You don't get that neurosurgery residency after your internship. So they let him finish the internship, but then they were like, you got to go resident residence it up somewhere else. Got it. No more brains.

Please, no more brains. Please. I beg of you. I beg of you. Don't go in my head. It was later revealed that OSU officials, here it is to answer the question, were afraid that Swango would sue if he were fired. So instead they just tried to get him out of Columbus. I see. They were like, let him finish his fucking internship and then, like, get him out of here. Got it. Like, there's fishy stuff going on. We don't want to fire him and have him sue us and whatever.

So instead of complicating things, let's make him someone else's problem. Got it. Which does not solve anything. It just moves the problem elsewhere. Swango did not tell his family about all this trouble. He was in Ohio State. Instead, he said he was moving because he didn't like the doctors in Ohio.

Okay. Well, right. So I'm going back to Illinois, I guess. I don't know. So he did. He went back to Quincy in 1984 and began working as an emergency medical technician with the Adams County Ambulance Corps. Now they did not do a background check. with the Adams County Ambulance Corps. Now, they did not do a background check.

And if they had done a background check, they would have discovered that Swango had been fired from another ambulance service for making a heart patient drive themselves to the hospital. Shut the fuck up. That is so stupid. Which, what? I don't even know how to process that sentence. It just says, for making a heart patient.

Like, I don't, I don't either. So. Like, I'm not feeling good. Let me, you get a you get bitch seat i'm gonna drive the ambulance now i get the ivy this time you get to drive so while working for this new ambulance company um he began making some inappropriate and strange comments related to death and people dying he would become visibly excited over CNN news stories about mass killings and horrific auto accidents. Charming.

He also loved to bring in donuts and coffee for his coworkers. And pretty soon, the paramedics on staff began noticing that whenever Swango made coffee or brought in donuts, they would become violently ill. Wow. So after several of them ended up in the hospital and literally tested positive for poison, police obtained a search warrant for Swango's home. And inside, they found hundreds of drugs and poisons, several containers of ant poison, books on poison, and syringes. So Swango was arrested and charged with aggravated battery and sentenced to five years imprisonment for poisoning his coworkers.

And this was a felony charge. Okay. It was later revealed that he was poisoning their coffee and donuts with ant poison. Yeah. Well, I gathered that. Yeah. We figured that part out. Okay.

So about this time, when all this was coming to light, OSU, people turned to OSU and were like, wait, what the fuck? This was reported to you by all these nurses. And you didn't do jack shit. And you didn't report it. You didn't do anything. You said they were paranoid. So osu got into some big trouble so or osu's med school um and they were criticized for not contact contacting the police or taking other measures and now look he's doing crimes because you he's like literally poisoning people because you didn't do anything

so at least there's a little bit of i don't know sure there's a silver lining calling them out at least i don't think it did anything but whatever no in 1989 um swango got out of prison um he found work as a counselor at the state development center in newport news virginia cnu what up been there no i haven't heard it's a lovely town. Heard it's fun. What did you say? You'd like it. It's fun. You would like it. It is fun. I bet. Not in 1989, it wasn't. Nope.

Pretty soon it was discovered that he had turned a room in the office building basement into a kind of bedroom where he would, like, hide out in the night. But he was officially forced to resign. Now, this sentence. Just listen to this sentence. He was officially forced to resign when he was caught working on a scrapbook of disasters on his work time. Now, I Googled. I was.

Okay. Go ahead. No, please. I was going to say, you do that when you're not on your work time. I do that as my work. That is my work. That's literally my work time. Yeah.

So I did. I Googled scrapbook of disasters thinking maybe I don't know what that means. Is that is my work that's literally my work time yeah so i did i googled scrapbook of disasters thinking maybe i don't know what that means is that maybe that's a code word maybe that's a cnu thing and it's just i don't go captains us and our scrapbooks of destruction so i was like wow what the fuck is that uh and then i looked it up and of course it was literally just pages of like earthquake disasters and i was like oh yeah that is what i do that's not what this was. I went digging to find out what the hell they were talking about. On that Cadillac, I found some more information about his childhood.

And this explains this like casual scrapbook of disaster they mentioned. So I'm just going to quote from from this article. From the age of three, Swango showed an unusual interest in violent death. As he got older, he became fixated on stories about the Holocaust, particularly those that contained pictures of the death camps. His interest was so strong that he began to keep a scrapbook of pictures and articles about fatal car wrecks and macabre crimes. His mother would also contribute to his scrapbooks

when she came across such articles. Is this your child? Are you the mother? Are we reading a future news article? I don't support enjoying the Holocaust to be clear here. That is not at all. Okay. Amen. Right. I think that goes without saying that is not we're not scared of lesbians. And also we absolutely do not condone anything. Oh, my God. So anyway, by the time he started at SIU, he'd put together several fucking scrapbooks of

just like pictures of car wrecks and like bloody what is this guy's problem a lot a big a big lot problems how is it that nobody did he hide all of this stuff and nobody saw clearly he just got fired because he was doing it on work time like he literally they walked in in his but i mean like earlier on like you said his mom was like helping him yeah that was as a child yeah but like from like clearly he was showing them to people as a child did like nobody see it in like 60s like what are they gonna do that's true it's i mean you know i don't think child therapy was like a common practice right um it's super fucking weird that his mom was like, okay, fun. This is a good bonding activity for us. Ugh.

Yeah. So I don't know. Vomitous. I mean, you're right. It's horrifying, but apparently this became a running thing that he would do at work. So, uh, then after he was fired for literally scrapbooking on the job, he, uh, found a job as a lab tech for a local coal company in virginia and um oddly enough what a surprise around the time he started working there other employees began seeking medical

attention with complaints of persistent and increasing stomach pains and this included the president of the company and one of the execs who was nearly comatose um so he was like like really fucking these people up um it was around this time too that he met a woman named kristin kinney and she was a nurse at riverside hospital they fell in love and decided to get engaged uh he worked at this coal company until 91 and then he was like i'm over this i want to be a doctor again oh boy yeah in 1991 uh swango legally changed his name to daniel j adams and began forging documents in an attempt to re-establish himself as a doctor okay this is like catch me if you can but like terrible right like but like not catch me if you can was a horror movie right right like no

redeeming qualities of leo dicaprio so uh for example he forged a fact sheet from the illinois department of corrections so remember that felony that he had, the felony charge? Yes. So he changed that felony charge and said that he had just been convicted of a misdemeanor for getting into a fight at a restaurant. Okay. And he kind of just scratched out the part that said he spent five years in prison for a felony for poisoning people. Right. For literally trying to kill people um so most states actually won't grant a medical license to a violent felon i

wonder why i wonder why considering um a violent conviction felony conviction to be evidence of unprofessional conduct especially for the medical industry so uh he had to forge so he even forged a uh a letter from virginia governor gerald bell bell belliles belliles i don't know do you know i don't know okay uh he forged a restoration of civil rights letter from the virginia governor at the time named gerald uh and gerald in this fake letter stated that he had restored swango's right to vote and serve on a jury you know because he was a felon he's like no i've restated his right to vote as governor because i have reports from his friends and colleagues that he has committed no further crimes and he is leading an exemplary lifestyle so he like made this fake ass letter

from the governor and i was like look the governor says i can vote again if you have a let's psa if you ever have to forge a letter from the governor that you're a good person you're probably not a good person yeah if you have to make up a list of several if you have to think of if there's nobody you can think of who would say a nice thing about you unless it was from a forged letter that you did yourself you need to rethink your choices basically just said i mean i know he poisoned a bunch of people but that's neither here nor there but his friends say he's really nice yeah he's just it was just funny it was just a bad day he was having a bad he should have been there it was actually hilarious if only you saw if only you saw you're just being judgy right now so guess what he got a job at sanford usd medical center in sioux falls south dakota and had a great

reputation and just like had a clean record while he worked there uh at first so he's like he got in he's like he got what he wanted step one down step one but then as it is with these uh narcissistic sociopaths he got a little too cocky and he decided he was going to join the american medical association again bold and they're like well we do a background check like a real one um so like so now he's forging the internet he's gonna be an upstanding citizen i don't know what he thinks is gonna happen they do a full background check and find out obviously about his felony and his poisoning conviction and they're like they tell his workplace like hey did you know about this and after they find this out that thanksgiving day of that year the discovery channel aired an episode of

justice files that included a segment about swango okay and his time in prison and he had done a 2020 interview in prison shut up after the fucking poisoning he's such a narcissist he's like i'll be on tv and not and get away with it when i don't want people to notice exactly and so fine dumbass so they put this 2020 interview on discovery channel and his or his uh his employers are like uh no you're fired and at this point poor poor kristen his wife is like wait what like she has no fucking clue about any of this can you imagine though can you imagine in a fake world where he actually, like, was separated at birth from an identical twin and he had no idea? And his whole life is ruined because his twin, like, had a special undiscovery.

Can you imagine being like, no, I didn't do this. I didn't do this. That wasn't me. Yeah. That'd be wild. Anyway. It would be, except that he had the exact same name and identifying papers as that person. Lifetime?

Are you listening? Make that somehow a feasible story. TM, don't pay us for that. Don't steal it. Sure, sure. Lifetime, email us for rights to that. Lifetime, stop stealing my ideas. Not again.

Okay, so his wife, Kristen, is like, what the fuck? I had no idea about this. Sure. So soon after she makes this lovely discovery about her husband, she begins suffering from violent migraines interesting interesting interesting her illness became so bad that she was actually placed in a psychiatric hospital after the police found her wandering in the street nude and confused as to her whereabouts so literally he just fucked her up so much with

he knew he was gonna get caught and he was like let's just poison her he just fucked her up so much with poison. He knew he was going to get caught, and he was like, let's just poison her. He just was like, time to go. So in April 1993, unable to take anymore, Kristen was like, I'm leaving. I'm going back to Virginia to be with my family. But soon after leaving, her migraine suddenly went away. Shocker. However, just a few weeks later, Swango showed up on her doorstep in Virginia and begged her to get back together. Uh-oh.

So they did. So despite what the American Medical Association had discovered about him, Swango, in the meantime, had managed to lie his way into a psychiatric residency program at Stony Brook University in New York, where once again, his patients began dying for no explicable reason. And so he actually had relocated and left like he and kristin were still together but he had relocated to new york and she was in virginia and they talked on the phone regularly uh during their last phone conversation kristin learned that swango had emptied out her entire checking account and the next day which was july 15th 1993 kristin died by suicide after oh shit shooting herself in the chest. Fuck.

And so during her autopsy, they found arsenic in her system. So her mother. Right. Sharon is like. A badass. Fucking pissed. Right. She's like, this guy did.

This guy is the reason my daughter went through so much trauma. Sure. And she's not wrong. So Sharon, she's horrified toified to find out that like he's still practicing medicine after all this um so she gets in touch with kristin's friend a fellow nurse in south dakota where swango had been fired previously and says like do you know that this guy's still working like he's working in new york now even though you guys fired him uh so the nurse tells the dean who calls stony brook and is like yo that employee you have is full of shit and he was on the discovery channel you should watch it it's a great show uh ringing endorsement endorsement for firing your employees

exactly the opposite of zip recruiter right it's kind of like glass door yeah but not exactly but more entertaining uh so to try and to try to prevent another medical facility from being duped by swango because like he had gone to like four different states and been able to pull this off uh the dean sent letters to all the medical schools in the united states and over 1 000 teaching hospitals in the country warning them about swango's past and his sneaky tactics to gain admission and he was then pressured to resign so the dean was like okay i'm resigning because i fucked up and i hired this guy but before i do i'm telling literally thousands of hospital in this country like right don't hire this guy yeah so at least he did something noble on his way out uh so swango had

been working before he was fired at a Veterans Affairs facility, which meant it was a government body, which meant the FBI was like, we're going to get in on this. Good. So the FBI is like, we're going to investigate. However, Swango peaced out again and he was able to hide from the FBI for a couple of years. And then they were like, oh, my gosh, we found him. He's living in Atlanta. He's working as a chemist of all things. And then they were like, oh, my gosh, we found him.

He's living in Atlanta. He's working as a chemist, of all things. And they knew about his, like, obsession with mass murder and stuff. And they were like, we got to catch this guy before he does something like a terrorist attack, basically. So especially if he's working with chemicals, like, who knows what the hell he's going to do. So they're like, OK, we found him. He's Atlanta. Let's go arrest him.

But by the time they got there, he had fled the he went to zimbabwe okay he used forged documents to obtain a job at a lutheran hospital in the center of zimbabwe and again uh he was liked at first but a few months in people noticed that his patients began dying mysteriously shocker as a result of the medical direct suspicions of the medical director there, he was suspended. But since they couldn't do like full on autopsies, they didn't have the. The proof. The resources. Yeah, they couldn't prove it. So they couldn't come up with any real like proof or evidence.

So instead of like going back to just, I don't know, some other field or hobby like scrapbooking, I don't know. Right. He decided he wanted to be a doctor again and work god damn it and just keep doing it so uh he just continued to fucking poison people in the meantime uh he was renting a room from a widow in town who one night suddenly became violently ill after eating a meal that he had so generously cooked for her and her friend um and then she she was suspicious so she contacted the local surgeon who was like this sounds like arsenic poisoning and asked her to send hair samples in lo and behold her hair samples had fucking arsenic in them

and so zimbabwe authorities called interpol who called the fbi and were like yo he's over here he's here we found him hello hello i'll put a pin on him so you can go find him yeah we'll do like find my friends on his iphone you can come find him in zimbabwe so they're like oh he's here he's here so they're like we got him we got him um but then he flees the country to zambia god damn it then to namibia then he's like oh cool there's a job opening at the royal hospital in duran saudi arabia oh my. Then he's like, oh, cool. There's a job opening at the Royal Hospital in Duran, Saudi Arabia. Oh, my God. So he's like, great.

I'm going to go to Saudi Arabia with my forged paperwork and be a doctor there. I'm I'm this is also an ignorant question. But how is he? How is there not a language barrier everywhere he's going? Well, I mean, there are a lot of programs like, for example, the first when he went to Zia nope he went to where do you go first zimbabwe zimbabwe uh there was a program oh fuck i forget what it's called options or something i don't remember but it was like a bridge program to to bring u.s doctors got it to uh two different nations and they would practice there so that's kind of got it he signed up with them and they sent him over there i see so there was that and then he just kind of he's finding his way he's

making his way yeah um so then he was like oh there's this job in saudi arabia so he's like i'm gonna fly there fucking dumbass got a layover in chicago shut the fuck up so he lands in chicago and the fbi is like oh there he is hello i guess we'll catch you at o'hare then literally at o'hare they fucking pick him up and they're like well that was easier than flying to saudi arabia i guess and having to like extradite him so yeah so they can't fucking catch him in chicago of all time things and they actually got him this time um he pleaded guilty to defrauding the government and was sentenced to three and a half years in prison um but that was so at this point

they're like okay so he's sentenced to fraud of a sentence for fraud but we know that he also was probably killing people right so they used that time that he was in prison to like examine everything and get a case against him got it but before he was sentenced to sent to prison the sentencing judge ordered that swango not be allowed to prepare or deliver food in the jail what or have any involvement in preparing or distributing drugs so he was not working in the kitchen it's gotcha is the point of that i'm not i'm not sure the best um i'm glad they thought to do that smart so again they were, let's figure out what the hell he did. So they exhumed the bodies of several of his past patients who had died mysteriously.

And lo and behold, they found poisonous chemicals in their systems. They also found evidence that Swango paralyzed a patient named Baron Harris with an injection of a sedative that caused him to lapse into a coma. And he died November 9th, 1993. They also found evidence that he had lied about the death of a patient he treated when he was interning at osu she was 19 her name was cynthia ann mcgee and she was under his care and he died or he died he reported that she had died of heart failure but it turns out he had intentionally stopped her heart with an injection of potassium that's nacl right don't even do this to me chalk i do know potassium

is k okay good i think it is it is k nacl oh moving on uh so right he had potential or he had intentionally stopped her heart she was only 19 really tragic. So they found out he had done that. So then a week before, less than a week before he was due to be released from that three and a half year fraud sentence, they finally were like, we got you. We're charging you with three counts of murder, one count of assault. And then meanwhile, the authorities in Zimbabwe were also charging him with poisoning seven patients and killing five. Oh, shit.

So they were like, yeah, we know. Zimbabwe was not here to fuck around. No, they're like, we're fucking in on it too yeah um so on september 6 2000 swango pled guilty to murder and fraud during the trial prosecutors presented a spiral bound diary belonging to swango and this is where we really get into the fucking gross depths of his brain so the diary proved that swango killed for the pure joy of watching and smelling death oh my god smelling yep that's now yep yeah it is finally it's it's quote nice to have something new all of a sudden fresh take yep except not fresh at all not fresh at all

it also showed that he loved to read macabre thrillers about doctors who thought they had the power of quote quote, the almighty. Oh, Lord. So. So, narcissist. This is from a New York Times article. He had transcribed a passage in small script from what prosecutors said was a book called The Torture Doctor. Oh, wow. Yeah.

My least favorite sounding book of all time, which they described as an obscure true to life novel published in 1975 about a 19th century doctor who goes on a quiet murder spree and tries to poison his wife with succinylcholine. I asked Blaze if I said that right. Apparently, I did. Succinylcholine chloride. Succinylcholine chloride. And Blaze said that they abbreviated it as sucks at the hospital. I was like, I don't blame you. Yeah, exactly.

And I asked what it does. And he says it basically paralyzes. It's like a muscle. It paralyzes your body. And they like Blaze use it when intubating patients because you need to paralyze the vocal cords. However, if you are not unconscious and you fucking do this, it shuts off your like it's terrible. I mean, it's a terrible way to die. Paralysis kind kind of it's like you paralyze your whole body and you can't breathe alone like that's why they use it for intubating like you need to something needs to be breathing

for you so it's terrible anyway uh he's like wow that would be a terrible way to die like yeah yeah it fucking would be so um anyway they can't move or breathe. And then that's what the story was about. And he seemed to be fascinated with this. Got it. The subject, or sorry, the passage that he quoted was as follows. He could look at himself in a mirror and tell himself that he was one of the most powerful and dangerous men in the world. He could feel that he was a god in disguise. Gross.

Sick bastard. God in disguise. Gross. Sick bastard. Another passage that Mr. Swango wrote from his own thoughts and brain and lovely, intelligent, godlike mind was, quote, When I kill someone, it's because I want to. It's the only way I have of reminding myself that I'm still alive. Okay.

Fuck off. And then there was another passage he quoted from a text called My Secret Life. And it was as follows to describe his passion for death. I love it. Sweet, husky, close smell of an indoor homicide. Shut up. That is so gross. So gross.

He admitted to three murders, including Cynthia's. One witness actually said she had seen him sitting on the radiator watching one of his victims die and she had reported it obviously nothing came of it uh swango was sentenced to three consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole and is serving that sentence at the adx florence supermax prison near florence colorado next door to nicole yay nicole oh don't eat any of the cookies he brings over correct authorities believe he murdered up to 60 people and poisoned countless others including co-workers friends and his own wife oh my god so he was sentenced for three potentially up to 60 people and that is the fucked up story of michael swango thanks nicole nicole what the hell finally i have someone to like sarcastically thank except christine and megan yeah and megan and priests and priests in

general uh oh well and osu med school good job guys i don't know what to say about any of this except just i've said it a million times but there's got to be like a ranking process or like a review process for all doctors always on the Internet. There's like there's a couple, but there needs to be like a full blown rate my professors, but rate my doctors. I mean, there is an ounce of he tried to kill someone I know. Don't go to him. I mean, to be fair, though, the Internet is not the best place for that kind of thing because that's true because anyone can literally access the internet like wikipedia and say oh this man tried to or this woman tried to or this person tried to kill me with this prescription like oh wait you're right i didn't even think like anyone can say anything on the internet i mean maybe if the governing

bodies of these uh fields were a little more on top of it i mean this was again in the 80s so hopefully hopefully it's improved hopefully we've advanced how about this if you're on an administration board and someone comes to you with a complaint research the shit out of it please well especially if many people come with the same don't dismiss these things only because you're scared of firing someone right anyway all right says me who would like be so terrified to fire someone ever right i'd probably let them especially one that is a murderer yeah i'd probably let them murder before i fire them um that's not true okay guys it's getting dark in here we should probably hang up the phone sure hang up the phone click uh hang up the landline the spongebob landline well thank you

guys for listening do we have any tickets left for nolan a few i believe all right all right well you can go buy them all right all right clearly christine has checked out so come see us there's like five tickets left all right and that's why we drink yay