And That's Why We Drink - E157 A Hollywood Alien Correspondent and an Outer Space Lemon

Episode Date: February 2, 2020

So what time does your family perform their seance? Today Em dives into the wild paranormal history of the Aykroyd family... and the origins of the movie Ghostbusters (that's right, that Aykroyd)! Meanwhile Christine covers the tragic and mysterious disappearance of Kyle Fleischmann. We're also planning a poker night with some local spirits... and that's why we drink! Please consider supporting the companies that support us! Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at ZipRecruiter.com/drinkGo to Rothys.com/DRINK to get your new favorite flats! Go to Thirdlove.com/DRINK now to find your perfect-fitting bra… and get 15% off your first order! Use coupon code DRINK for $10 off your first box at www.fabfitfun.com (http://www.fabfitfun.com/)

what a lemon for those of you wondering there is a giant bag of lemons still sitting between us it's amazing how many lemons there are and also there's that bag of lemons over there that's true there's a lot of bags of lemons. We have a lot of lemons. We're collecting them clearly. Also, like the cleaning wipes on the table are lemon scented. So it's like I can smell them too. Wow. Subconsciously.

No, fully consciously is how I've been doing this. Get me out of here is what I'm trying to tell you. And you're not listening. You'll never leave. SOS. Okay. How are you? How's everyone?

How are you folks? I'm great great i'm doing just fine fantastic i it is now february is it don't look at me it's not in real life but when people listen to it i think it's february honestly if you said it was february right now i'd be like oh okay well you know what if no if it is if this comes out in february you know what the scariest part of that is what a whole 12th of 2020 is over now why would you say that like just to like keep things in crazy ass perspective i'm not kidding like 2020 has been tough because like prepping for the tour was a lot and blaze was has been sick for so long blaze has had the flu for i think three years yeah he's been sick since i've known him, I think, with the flu. Oh, that checks out.

He's, like, so, so ill. He is the sickest human being I've ever seen. Literally, look, this is what I've, if you're on YouTube, these are literal hygiene masks I bought, medical-grade hygiene masks. I walked around my house in them. I am impressed. Like, you really, you live in the house with him, and he has had, I'm not kidding, the grossest flu since Florida.

Yeah. And he, and you have not gotten sick. I'm wildly amazed. I was so like obsessive about it, obsessed with it because we were going on tour and I was like, I can't be like, we need to do this. We need to get this done. We have to have a clear mind. Honestly, I didn't even care on stage. I just was like, I need to finish my work for the tour.

And I couldn't do it if I had a fever. And so I was wearing hygiene masks. I walked around with Purell. Blaze slept on the couch. I washed my hands every five seconds, washed all the bedding. Like, I was very – it worked. It somehow worked, but also, like, he's still, like, a little sniffly. So fingers crossed.

Yeah, he's a little sick still, so I'm trying to avoid. But we both got the flu shot, so it was something else. Some other strain, I guess. I don't know either, but between you, between, like, Blaze slash you, and then also RJ getting sick. Oh, no. I mean, I... And he's an athlete. He's an athlete.

If he's getting sick, that is some powerful stuff. And I also have, like, a really weakened, like, a really fucked up immune system from the medications I'm on. So, like, I'm like a superhero. Yes. Yes, you are. Just kidding. Supervillain. Right.

Sorry. Wrong direction. But yeah. So anyway, happy two out of 12. Yeah. We're going to a couple of shows this month. We're doing Sacramento, San Francisco. Yeah.

I think one of them on Valentine's Day. Yeah. Sacramento. We're not gonna be with our valentine's i'll be with my valentine on stage it's lemon fuck you christine wow i really i'm just teasing it's that one hurt i went into it thinking it was you but then you made a face so i changed my mind it was a it was a face of kindness and heartwarming i thought you were gonna be like get away from me so i i was embarrassed so i changed my track you're like yeah me neither it's like the the kid with the note like nope that wasn't for you you circled no so oops that was meant for someone else um no you are my valentine m always yeah well forever well it's it's definitely been thrust upon us at this point unfortunately also that means uh in the next couple days is going to be the actual podcast anniversary

that's right uh three years three years of this it's a toddler it's a full-blown toddler like our podcast can now like walk and speak and color pick up cheerios with one hand yeah or is that or i don't know much about babies is that is that a milestone holding something with one hand it was for me because i have so such bad my mom still makes fun of me that i still eat this way or pick like pick things up with my whole hand and like with goldfish i'll like just shovel them into my mouth you really never learned huh no your next milestone never came i can't like pick things up with my finger i need to like handful them it's really sad when i was three i was a literal helmet kid because oh no i was so tall i was born two feet tall so by the time i was three i was like you're a poor mother literal giant um and so i was growing too i was physically

growing faster than i was developmentally and so i didn't know like I learned to use your limbs. Yeah, I didn't know how to catch myself if I fell and I was falling like twice as high as center of gravity. Suddenly. So my mom had to literally have a helmet on me all of the time. Oh, no. Like a good six months to a year. I think I was literally always in a helmet because my mom was afraid that i was learning to like stand up and hold on to things so quickly but i was not

learning to catch myself if i fell so i was just fucking timbering poor and my head was like falling into like corners of tables and shit and the fire poker i remember that that was when i was two that was the first time i tried chocolate cake oh that's right that was a good day and a bad day and a bad day depending And a bad day. Depending on how you look at it. Depending on my day or my mother's day. It was a good day. Speaking of mothers and haphazardly, my mother used to call, you know, when you go timber

when like something falls. Yeah. She. What? She yells lumber. Oh. Because she can't. Sweet Renata.

She's like lumber. I'm like, that's not. Okay. You can have it it i'll just give it to you oh yeah uh i my mom i don't even think says timber i don't know maybe lumber is right who knows and renata's world that's right i was gonna say at this point i'm just trust i just trust everyone else besides my own brain so so uh my story this week is very very short but it is something that's surprisingly a lot of people i don't know what happened i don't know if the world shifted in a way where everyone thought of this at the same time and all decided to tweet at me but there's no like news update there's no reason people all thought of this at once but a lot of people

requested it so i'm gonna do it great can i can i say one more thing yeah sorry we have to say our patron of the week oh god damn it i am just i'm sorry no no um i'm uh i just closed it because remember i did the wrong one last time yes we are very good at it can you tell guys um we desperately are so thankful for your patreon donations if if you if you are doing that we're really thankful um our patron of the week is Alina from Finland. Oh. I know. Alina, I'm going to. All of a sudden it matters more to me.

I know. Love a good Finland. Their last name has an umlaut, so I'm just not even going to go there with my guess. Yeah, I won't either. And I don't know whether they want me to say it, so I'm just going to say Alina P. from Finland. Alina P. I love it. So thank you for your donation all the way from Europe.

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Texas last year was so freaking loud and unbelievable. So I have high hopes. Yes. I'm manifesting this now for you to have heard it in the past, but it's my future. Yeah. When I edit this YouTube video in the future, I will confirm whether or not. Whoa. Texas though, please be loud. We would love that. You just broke my brain. Yes. Please be texas though please be loud we would love that you just broke my brain um yes please be loud also everyone be loud um okay okay and not if you're booing not but be loud in a nice way in a positive way be positively loud and loudly positive this podcast has a lot of rules that you need to follow are you writing them they're all actually kind of very simple i just

need you to remember them all just be kind okay so that's all i have oh watch our lemon napping video on uh if page or patreon if you haven't because really it is the funniest thing i literally made ever happened to me yeah please go and i instead of preparing for our tour spent about 45 hours on making the video instead of working on what i should have been working on so make it worth my while like 45 hours building it so that's right so please go we need somebody to make it worth our while please someone go compliment us is what we're saying anyway it's it's not necessarily gemini season but a lot of scorpios are currently being created and i'm not liking it so i do like that you said it's not necessarily gem like it ought to be could be certainly should be in

relative like some timelines maybe it's always yes in my national world we're only gemini's roam the earth disaster earth would literally be on fire disaster um anyway so thank you guys sorry i don't mean to keep talking about patreon but that lemon video i'm so proud of it and m is so fucking genius and so wow i'm serious like the comments have been like em what the fuck like you have this weird talent of building escape rooms like i have a weird talent of building things that nobody should i like no look it's working i do like to use the phrase like i'm capable of anything if i'm sleep deprived enough and that's exactly what happened how do you think this podcast came to be how do you think anything in the last official three years has happened?

Anyway, thank you guys, everyone who's supporting us and coming to see us and just listening. We love you so dearly. So my next story has been recommended to me that I should cover the Aykroyd family. What's that? Like Dan Aykroyd? Like Dan Aykroyd. what's that like dan akroyd like dan akroyd what yes do you know about him i mean i know you know of him at all yeah he's a ghostbuster oh oh no i don't know this from the 80s like no i know i mean i just said dan akroyd but i don't know yeah i don't know like what this has to do with anything well he was also in ghostbusters

sure okay that makes sense also fun fact about him one thing that dan akroyd uh that i love most about him are you ready yes he is tourette's really yeah wow i've known that for a while but that's the i know him finally have a fun trivia fact that i finally have a buddy well like i i've known him obviously as a ghostbuster but i when i when i first got diagnosed with Tourette's my mom gave me this book of like other people with Tourette's so i'm right so i wouldn't feel alone and dan akward was like the only person like it's page one what if it was just one page and it was like it kind of was it was kind of just a picture of dan akward i bet nowadays you'd be in that book i may be maybe i mean make one we're both ghostbusters with Tourette's in our own regards this is a fantastic spinoff and what's interesting is apparently part of his Tourette's um like he

has like the compulsion to become like obsessed with things and one of his is the paranormal i think i'm Dan Aykroyd actually wait a second this is all making sense i'm kind of not kidding okay anyway by the way if you've ever wondered why the fuck i twitch so much i have turrets oh yeah i don't know i honestly don't know if anyone knows that because i don't think people do i think i brought it up a few times there have been in passing there have been two very lovely people that i've met in meet and greets at live shows right who said that they had turrets and i was the first person they heard of that also had it there are some not so lovely people who are like why does m twitch all the time i'm like i'm trying to fucking yeah dick sometimes i make Tourette's

jokes just to m because uh i allow it and they're funny because m thinks they're funny but i would never so if that like i it's not i it's just about m i just make fun of them let's just i just make fun of them if it were Tourette's or the fact that i have like that i'm six feet tall i don't know tarantula legs listen there's a lot to go on it's not because i have tourettes it's just another part of me that christine loves to make you and dan akroyd remember when we uh we played beer pong recently and i fucked up a throne you're like i was like you're not fucking wrong that's exactly what it was but you're also kick ass at it so it works in some instances but i mean you can make fun of my poop disease. I certainly do.

And you do, so. I do. See? Look how, we're so ill, dude. We're all terrible. We're so sick. Sick in the mind. Sick in the gut.

Sick in the mind, the gut, and just the nervous system. And in the heart. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, Dan Aykroyd, let's talk about my fellow Touretting, Twitching Ghostbuster. Love it. So, well, for those of you who also don't know, he was also very big on SNL.

He was in the Blues Brothers with Jim Belushi. And he is also probably, in my mind at least, best known for being a Ghostbuster. So, fun fact about the Ghostbusters. The story was inspired from his family's history with the paranormal. Wait, what? Yeah. See, when you said the akroyd family i was like there's no way it sounds like a haunting yeah it

does the parent family or the ambivalent yeah so his great-grandfather so he's a fourth generation paranormal enthusiast his great-grandfather was named samuel augustus akroyd who was born in 1855 the oldest of 14 children holy shit holy and they're canadian holyus Aykroyd, who was born in 1855, the oldest of 14 children. Holy shit. Holy. And they're Canadian. Holy. So Dan Aykroyd is better than me.

Wait, hold on. Yeah, you have one. He has one thing going for him that you don't. That's exactly it. And so originally, we're going to start with Sam, great grandpa. Sure. Originally, Sam was a teacher, but later in life in the 1890s um he became a dentist which at that time dentistry was not a space where pain relief was used was was going on during procedures terrible apparently in some little circle of the

dentists of that time there were were a group of dentists who believed that hypnotism would help patients relax to alleviate the pain because there was no anesthesia. Yes. So apparently a lot of dentists were actually spiritualists. Who'd have thunk? What? Well, remember from your last story, the dentist was the one who ended up coming forward in the Houdini story and saying that fingerprint is mine. Very weird. Actually, I had not put that together.

Dentists. Are you a dentist? Can you a dentist can you call us crest are you also do you do hypnotisms as well crentist dr crentist dr crentist the hypnotist master okay so um okay also sorry it's just so wild to me that somebody was a teacher and then just became a dentist later in life like you'd think it was the other way around right it's just like wild to me that somebody was a teacher and then just became a dentist later in life. Like, you'd think it was the other way around. Right. It's just, like, I didn't know that that... Maybe it was easy to get your dental degree in 1890 when there's, like, no pain medication. He's like, no, I don't know how to do anything, but I can hypnotize people.

In the 1890s, it was like, here are pliers. Yeah. Good luck. Oh, okay. Okay, so we heard that there were some dentists in the area who believed that hypnotism would help their patients relax during different procedures. And this, quote, sparked his interest in a relatively new phenomenon called spiritualism. Okay. What's weird about this for myself is that when I was trying to find out new notes, I was like, I just talked about spiritualism for two episodes.

I'm definitely going to try to avoid that. Oh, here's this Dan Aykroyd thing. And then it's all about spiritualism. And I was like, Jesus Christ, I cannot get away from this the universe is telling you something the 1920s and the 2020s are overlapping famously seriously so uh samuel who i'm now calling sam the great is that augustus yes okay samuel augustus akroyd is dan akroyd's great that's doctor to you that's dr krentist cool um sam and his wife jenny became obsessed quickly with spiritualism even having uh written back and forth with sir arthur conan doyle

this is you really are the weirdest you've been you've been wrapped up in this i really i was reading it i was like shut the fuck up i really thought i like accidentally copy and pasted wrong notes and so of the wrong stuff. I don't know if you'll ever escape. I don't think I will. And remember, for those of you who are listening backwards, welcome, by the way. So Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, I just brought up in the last episode about how he was a crazed believer in spiritualism. Like even when Houdini was like, no, this is fake.

He was like, no, it's real. Which means Dan Aykroyd's great grandfather by the way might have known houdini that's oh that's true hey dan that's pretty neat dan's got a cool life ahead of him and behind him and behind him so uh sam had books all over the house of spiritualism and the paranormal became like just a normal conversation in the house with him and his wife um allison are you listening that's goals is what i'm thinking same um this is why we need to buy a giant house and just all live in the same house yeah except blaze and allison then move out quickly right exactly uh so fun fact dan actually is the fourth generation to live in that house so he has lived

in the same farmhouse that his great-grandfather was like a big practitioner of spiritualism holy shit and then his son and his son and then dan all also got into this this is so cool so this house is just like full of energy so dan has said all that stuff was lying around the old farmhouse i grew up and so i've been kind of steeped in it my whole life wow uh his great-grandfather held weekly seances at the family home weekly um even having a i shit you not christine i forgot what even no having no don't do it a medium no named walter no i knew it what is happening m i think we're in a fucking... I think this is like... Listen, I'm testing my lucid dream test.

Hold on. I'm pretty sure we're in an alternate reality ran by the Walter that haunts this place, and he's trying to tap into our psyche that he's with us. I think he's honestly fucking with our notes, like, truly. I'm not kidding. His name is Walter. Holy...

I was like, there's no way i was like it can't be if i swear to god if i find another story tonight to cover next week and the name walter's in there i'm just throwing out the whole story i'm changing it me too yeah fuck this nope so uh so sam held weekly seances at his family home and when i say like weekly this wasn't a quick little hobby like for like the rest of his life he held weekly stances even having a medium named walter move in for 12 years so he could have regular on-site trances that's a dream job literally like someone on-site trances someone literally he literally paid a man to live in his home for 12 years so he could be 24 7 around the clock ready to be a medium it's just like ding ding ding i feel like being in a train i mean i how's that even work i don't know

like just like being ready to like go sit at the seance table like on call be a mouthpiece from the afterlife wow so according to sam's journals about the seances because of course he took every note possible sure apparently walter the medium made contact with a lot of notable people including members of the ming dynasty whoa an egyptian prince sure and then like i wouldn't really rank him as the same but even sam's great-grandfather he came through so like even like generations before him dan i think he's just as important as an egyptian prince which means dan's great great great great grandfather has come through in seances too holy so his whole line is very sensitive it seems wow walter the medium i'm now saying it like that because we've covered so many goddamn walters

recently so if you're listening to all these episodes like in one big chunk you're gonna get so confused this is really wild so walter the the Medium allegedly would go into a trance and speak languages that he didn't know, like, before the seance began. See, this is trippy. Apparently he spoke fluent Mandarin when he was in a trance. But if he ever came to, he did not speak anything but English. I do have a question, though. Like, who is there to be like, yes, this is fluent Mandarin. I'm translating.

Exactly Mandarin. Who's translating this? Or, like, he's saying a random language and they're like, what language is that? And he goes, Mandarin. I'm translating. Exactly Mandarin. Who's translating this? Or like he's saying a random language and they're like, what language is that? And he goes, Mandarin. Right, right, right. Also, apparently a trumpet

or some musical instrument once allegedly floated in the air in the middle of a seance. That's pretty terrifying. So seances were held on a very rigid schedule and with the exact same people every week to make the spirits

more comfortable with showing themselves over time. So if like it kept seeing the same people there maybe it would get more comfortable or feel more safe to kind of show itself more and more and become more powerful right so but if you like weren't in that first original circle you like really by invitation only could also come you can't sit with us so in sam's notes they apparently made a lot of contact and had a whole lot of experiences during seances damn but sam always ends up disappointed because he wanted physical proof or a physical manifestation or ectoplasm or something that showed right that

like he wanted proof after the fact that something had been there right um and that never happened so he always got really upset like yeah the trumpets in the air and someone speaking Chinese. But like, really, I need to see like some ectoplasm on hangers like Mina was doing. Yeah, yeah. We've seen it all before. We've all seen it. We've all seen the animal tissue hand coming out of her undercarriage. Oh, God.

People are like, what is going on? Honestly, I was really hoping we never would talk about that again. And yet here we are. So apparently whenever Sam would ask for physical proof during a seance the spirit would just say be patient it'll happen eventually but it never did that's kind of so rude houdini would say that is your medium that you're paying like keeping you like rattled like keeping you on the gas paying me and maybe something cool will happen exactly but he wasn't friends with houdini he was friends with sir doyle who's like oh that's definitely well for sure

you're right you're totally right so sam's whole family was also uh was also involved in these beliefs and when sam died in 1933 his son maurice who is dan ackroyd's grandpa tried actually was also he was also equally obsessed and tried very very hard to build some sort of machine that would have Sam come back through. So Maurice could talk to his father from beyond the grave. What, like a time machine? More like a spirit box. Wow! He tried to build one of the original radio frequency devices for a spirit to contact us.

Holy shit. Apparently it did not work. they never got back in touch with sam that way but he at least tried to build one that's crazy um then maurice i'm assuming maurice's son uh dan's dad peter peter ackroyd even as a child apparently since like seven years old he remembers growing up and watching his family be a part of these seances and reading about the paranormal all the time it was like such a regular concept in this house that dan ackroyd's dad grew up not knowing that it was weird just being like oh they're gonna have a seance tonight and then we're gonna do this and we're reading about this ectoplasm and what time does your family do their

seance yeah exactly and so his dad actually remembers being in the house and being too young to join in on the seance but being being able to look into another room and see them performing. Oh, my God. It's like when dad has poker night, you're not allowed to play, but all the guys come over and drink beer. Exactly. Instead, it's fucking seance. Exactly. That is super cool.

So Dan actually also grew up in that same house and with the same upbringing because by the time now Peter's an adult and having poker night with the spirit. And so Dan remembers hearing stories about his family's experiences all the time. He even remembers his mom saying that when Dan himself was born, apparently Sam and his wife, Jenny. So Dan's great grandparents actually showed up in his nursery one time almost as if welcoming him into the family and then they faded away wow so he his mom would tell him that story but so since birth apparently he's also been gifted with this lineage and turrets and turrets yay welcome to the club seems like they come hand in hand so clearly you know what here's two pieces of evidence of that me and dan akroyd i mean what more do you need if you have

turrets you might be haunted his great-grandfather was looking for physical proof i got it right here on twitch twitch okay so uh since growing up in it like in this like whole lifestyle of like the paranormal being like just so blase and normal right uh dan is very public to this day about his beliefs in the paranormal and is an open spiritualist today wow a quote of his is i am a spiritualist a proud wearer of the spiritualist badge mediums and psychic research have gone on many have gone on for many many years and loads of people have seen spirits heard a voice voice, or felt the cold temperature. I believe they are between here and there and that they exist between the fourth and fifth dimensions

and that they visit us frequently. Wow. Wow. He's open. He's like, they fucking exist. And if you don't believe it, you're an idiot. I hope he hosts SNL and just says that. Just like monologue.

It would be interesting if he did an snl bit on of ghostbusters that's i don't know if that's actually that probably already exists um probably so for a while once he moved out of that house because he was like growing up and moved to la and all that sure um he did live in another house which was where is the house in canada do you know where somewhere in ontario oh okay um so when he grew up and moved out he ended up moving into another house that was haunted which actually was formerly owned by mama cass from oh wow and so dan says that there is a ghost there that he's pretty sure is mama cass shut up and so he said a ghost certainly haunts this house it once even

crawled into bed with me the ghost also turns on the stairmaster and moves jewelry across the dresser so and he's convinced it's mama cast series of events so ghost buster so that idea came from a combination of his family stories and personal stories plus there was a comedy before ghostbusters called ghost chasers oh and he when i tell you like he's very involved in the paranormal community like he subscribes to all their journals and keeps up with all the articles and all that so he was reading an american society psychical research journal article on parapsychology and quantum physics and while reading that i think he had also recently watched ghost chasers and so he in his mind was like i just want to redo that ghost comedy but with modern science

and like a realistic twist to it which like now ghostbusters you look at and it's not really a realistic twist but that was the inspiration of like there's all this new science since this came out like let's redo it with like um like a modern i had no idea believability you want to know a secret yeah i've never seen ghostbusters okay well i kind of expected that so um sorry everybody sliding on by i know i also hadn't seen hocus pocus hocus pocus i've seen it now so you win you guys win we went on hocus pocus i like i like practical magic better just say you'll do it now before we get a thousand tweets saying you need to watch it i'll watch ghostbusters okay there you go um so for example in the first like so he did uh his own script and then tried

to pitch it to other people for ghostbusters the first draft actually had a few differences in like the equipment that they used but they were actually i think he tried to make them more kitschy or campy or um just for like the because maybe it'd be easier for people to swallow or it'd be more interesting to watch but in his first draft people the ghostbusters actually use magic wands whoa instead of proton packs and they traveled and instead of like traveling through new york they traveled through different dimensions like it was much trippier wow um but he ends up obviously kind of scrapping some of that stuff and creating ghostbusters which made like a quarter billion dollars in a year it came out or something even that's insane um and he still by the way he still wants to make a third one um and since 1999 he's been trying to get the original gang together to make a final ghostbusters where they almost like pass on their right their duties to someone else and that script i don't know if

it's necessarily been finalized but it has been written it was written by the writing staff of the office the u.s holy shit really yep and it was overseen by dan akroyd but it was written by a lot of the writers from the office mindy kaling and uh apparently he will never actually make this movie unless all the original characters are on board and bill murray refuses i'm like who's holding out bill murray refuses people why i don't know and there's a lot of speculation on what the answer either he's like really aggressively against it or he's very nice about it and saying no but like no matter what it's bill murray's fault apparently how i never thought i'd hear those words no matter what it's bill murray's fault that i did expect to hear knowing the kind of bullshit he pulls just amongst strangers you're correct on that yeah that's true

he causes all sorts of chaos he certainly does. So living again in his family farmhouse in Ontario, because he's moved away from Mama Cass's house and also now lives in this farmhouse. Right. Dan says that it has, quote, a history of spiritual activity that would blow your mind. Oh, my God. And apparently there is a lot of activity that goes on in that house. But most often guests report invisible hands yanking off their sheets at night oh well that's truly terrible apparently the other things are like the doors will open and close the lights will go on and off electronics will turn on and off all

that good stuff um but he did say that whenever he's in that house he's had some very vivid dreams of his uh deceased friends one of them actually was uh one of his friends who passed on was Barry Berenson, who was the wife of Tony Perkins, who played Norman Bates in Psycho. Oh, so his wife in real life passed away. And I guess her and Dan Aykroyd were really good friends. And he remembers very quickly after her death, having an intensely vivid dream, where she showed up to say i'm helping people the who don't understand whoa goose cam yeah i'm helping people through who don't understand oh oh my god so through to the to the other side i guess to the other side i guess oh goose cam indeed so apparently he remembers that one very intensely and he's also said that he most often feels his best friend jim belushi come around oh my

i was like what other what other funny funny guys coming coming through so jim belushi was the other blues brother and blues brothers and they were also really really close in snl and he ended up dying uh right before ghostbusters was made he was actually supposed to be one of the original people in ghostbusters and then he died died two years before the movie came out. But he, yep, he had a drug overdose. And it's really tragic. Really, really sad. Really tough.

And he was one of Dan Aykroyd's best friends. And apparently he was also super open minded to this stuff. And Jim Belushi had said in past interviews that he would regularly visit dan's house and they would just like sit up all night and try to watch for ghosts and see like if anything was like would walk around in the house what this is so cool and also very sweet and cute also precious yeah so he used to visit a lot so they could watch slumber party yeah it's like see if any ghosts would show up because apparently at one point dan ackroyd said he saw his great-grandfather like manifest out of nowhere and so ever since then it became a thing where they would go to his house and look for ghosts that is like our childhoods pretty much he also apparently they would go outside and look up at the sky for ufos

okay i'm on board with all of this and And Dan Aykroyd has been quoted saying, I know the spirit survives as there is so much evidence of the survival of the personality in the afterlife. Wow. So he says that he can feel Jim Belushi's energy around him a lot. Wow. So not only was he interested in ghosts, but he, on his own, separate from his family, was also fascinated with aliens. Hence him and jim belushi looking around for ufos all the time sure but apparently so his whole family obviously is into

spirits but ufos is his thing okay so he really got into it when he was a kid and he's like a magazine cover of a ufo and ever since then he just like got really into it love it he's also a member of mufon which i really really really want to get into i remember that word yeah it's the mutual ufo network so it's um a huge membership like a society for believers in the ufo there's also there's also a lot of skeptics that i think but it's this huge network and it's so much information so i have not covered it but it is on my list but he's a member there he's also like a hollywood correspondent for mufon so um on the red carpet yeah so he he is a staunch but like even more so it seems than ghosts he believes in aliens oh i was gonna say then the guy from blink 182 so um wow he has only seen four in his life this is quote quote. Oh, only, only four.

I've seen four, one of them with a light, one of them dull gray, one of them going very slow. One of them hovering over me. Then there were the two that my wife and friends and I saw a high altitude, a high altitude sighting many years ago in Martha's vineyard, two flying side by side, two perfect circles flying in tandem that did a beautiful zigzag. Wow. Dan believes that

aliens already live on earth already live here and oh god oh god and the evidence has already been shown that they're here but the government frequently tries to cover it up they got me oh boy they got me let me remove my skin lemon it's lemon it's lemon oh my god he came down from outer space he certainly did so uh dan also apparently collects uh ufo pictures but only really good ones that's his caveat only like super good ones that are hard to prove otherwise he also recommends a book for people called the fbi cia ufo connection by dr bruce mcabee which apparently reviews documents received after the freedom of information act wow so apparently there's some good stuff there oh my god he swears by this book um sorry what's it called one more time the fbi cia ufo connection

by bruce mcabee okay so he has been making very public statements about ufos um even in 2005 he literally did a two hour long documentary called dan akroyd unplugged on ufos what so is this on on sling i think it's on youtube because i did see a link to it i opened it and it literally was two hours long and i was like i i can't but it's there so you guys can watch that all you want i'm gonna watch that apparently dan ackroyd has been quoted saying the air force uh won't deny the existence of these hyperdynamic super aerodynamic crafts but they want to tell you anything but that they're extraterrestrial so he's a big believer in like a government cover-up um listen i'm not doubting that i'm gonna say dan i i'm not saying you're

wrong i there's nothing i don't so far i don't agree with on this yeah um although he claims that they already live on our planet though he thinks that they came here originally wanting to communicate with us and now want nothing to do with us because of how violent we are oh no us what he also did use 9-11 as a reference and i don't have the quote here but he did say something like imagine wanting to make friends with this like or imagine wanting to get to know like this group of people and then just seeing them like throwing their most expensive equipment at some of their most expensive equipment and then watching all of their people die like why would you want to interact with something like that?

Yeah. Humans aren't super great. No. He said that they are probably disgusted by us and they're here and don't want anything to do with us. What are they doing here? Who are where? That's my next question.

I'm like, OK, so if they are here but don't want to talk to us, why are they here? And I guess they haven't left. Right. Yeah. I guess to study us from afar. I'm not really sure. Well, it's pretty easy. I mean, you saw what we do. You saw. It's just not great. It just keeps happening. and i guess they haven't left right yeah i guess to study us from afar i'm not really sure well it's pretty easy i mean you saw what we do you saw it's just not great it just keeps happening

that plus a lot of eating sugar is pretty much all we are and then it just repeats itself over and over again exactly but sometimes there's like a ghostbuster in there that's true so uh one of his drivers apparently used to work for the air force like in air command what and uh the driver told him i guess not so in confidence that one day when he was working there a bunch of guys started gathering around a radar watching an object traveling at 70 000 miles per hour what and doing whip turns in front of them and the whole group of people were just freaking the fuck out because they did not know what it was in the air force um dan has also hosted um a canadian sci-fi show which i'm now going to be watching called sci-factor psi sci-factor um oh my god that's built for you and it apparent it's canadian and a sci-fi show called sci-factor starring a ghost

buster with threats it's literally my show truly though um and it covers paranormal cases that are apparently from the desk quote of the office of scientific investigation and research so i don't know i think they're i think it's um like recreations like um reenactments like drama reenactments of different cases but it might be like a forensic files version of the paranormal which is so cool and it was like an unsolved mysteries type thing i think so and it was and it was for i also have not seen it so i could be totally wrong but i know there's four seasons of it and in 1997 he actually won an award from csi not the not the actual csi they're from the committee for skeptical inquiry which is like a big paranormal group.

In 1997, they gave him an award for hosting that show and for being a, quote, longtime promoter of paranormal claims. Wow. Fun fact, not only did Dan stay obsessed with the paranormal, but so did his father, Peter, who to like watch his father perform seances and all that poker night so because his dad so because peter grew up in that same stuff he had the same interest and the same fascination and just keeps getting passed down from family to family i guess in 2009 peter actually published a book called a history of ghosts by peter akroyd and it has been described as quote an encyclopedia book on the paranormal apparently everything you can think of is in there i'm literally looking at

our bookshelf i'm like did somebody mail us that i don't think so we might have it somewhere we have a lot of ghost books but but it's called a history of ghosts and it talks about some of his personal experiences i did read an excerpt of it and it was um he was talking about how he remembers looking out the window and seeing like people come into his driveway and his dad like pulling them into like this room he wasn't allowed into and like oh my god like how the seances would happen and so apparently there's a lot of really good stuff in there and is dan ackroyd's dad peter um and it was published in 2009 so that's all i have i know it's super short but that is do they still have the house do you know yeah he still lives there dan ackroyd still lives there oh

amazing he lives in canada i think he does cool as far as i know i could be totally wrong but every article i read said he still lives there um that is neato so that is the ackroyd family and their fascination with the paranormal. I love that story. I've never had no idea. No, no clue. Me either. I just did thought Ghostbusters was like, like, I never thought it was anything based in.

But yeah, what are the odds? I mean, that's like that means you and I could create our own Ghostbusters. Hold on. It's called Houdini on Broadway. Yeah. Hang on. Have you heard of it? Are you there?

We're FaceTiming with Lynn later about it. I mean, this is my vision board. I wish it's so badly. Anyway, Dan Aykroyd, his, a lot of his upbringing is what inspired Ghostbusters.

There's your fun fact. Never have known that. That's a good trivia fact. I was going to say, I hope someone goes to trivia and that helps you. Yes. And if it does send us some of your winnings, especially if it's beer.

I would love a beer right now. Thank you. Uh, Dan Ay the way thank you mr akroyd um i would love to chat with mr akroyd i would too if maybe if dan i think he has like three daughters if any of you listen to us please get us in contact with your father thank you or your great-grandfather or your great-great-grandfather anyone from beyond anyone who can uh manifest themselves in front of us that's exactly right i would love to talk to hear his stories man yes seriously all right let's go let's so i'm covering a story that i uh was gonna do then i realized i've already done for charlotte and we haven't posted this episode. No, we have not. So I'm going to tell you the story now. Okay.

Hooray. Let's do it. I was very excited that I'd already done notes on this. I was like, holy shit. You're like, well, that works out. Yeah. It's one of my favorites. It's a disappearance, which, you know, I find just beyond fascinating.

You love a good disappearance. You love when I disappear. Mostly. Mostly when Em vanishes. So that's the best part um i will say uh people are still writing in about the bryce lespizas case still yeah because it's like so wild that's pretty good for you at least your story was super good i know i guess so yeah people are i'm i think it's fascinating um okay so this i listened to trace evidence podcast podcast for some research on here. Just wanted to give a little shout out.

So thank you guys. So this is the disappearance of Kyle Fleischman. Kyle Fleischman. Okay. So he grew up in Charlotte, attended Charlotte Catholic High School. I'm sure I put that in there because we were in Charlotte and people probably would have heard of it. Okay.

He studied business administration and management at Elon. that one got a big year yeah he was well liked was a good student was really active on campus he wasn't just like uh like a well-liked frat guy like he was very involved in school and just like a very well-rounded individual that a lot of people not that frat guys are not well-rounded just like the stereotypical he wasn't like the popular kid it was just like he was really well known and well liked sure and very involved i got you um and just a good guy and also he was not well-rounded because he's such a trash frat guy got it exactly he just knows how to play beer pong sure yeah just like you me too except he doesn't have trots so he doesn't have that winning that winning uh guttural throw like I'd have got.

That's just like your golden... My golden ticket. Your golden ticket to... I call that nothing but net. Buckets. We haven't done that in so long. No, I miss buckets. Here, let me try.

You're going to throw your laptop? Girl, I didn't print any notes. We can use these 30 lemons and play buckets. Wait, actually, through the ring light. I was literally thinking that. Stop it. Okay. Oh my God. Okay. Oh, my God.

Okay. Hello, everyone. So after graduating from Elon, he was hired by Maxim, not Maxim, but Maxim Healthcare Services, a little less exciting, in Charlotte. And then in the fall of 2007, he moved into a condo with two roommates. That fall in 2007, Kyle was 24, and his mother barbara was diagnosed with cancer kyle was extremely close with his mother so he stepped up and was like we're gonna beat this together like he was just 100 involved in uh taking care of her and a few days before her

first surgery kyle took his mom barbara his sister noelleelle, and his best friend, Daniel, to a Dane Cook comedy show at the Spectrum Center because they were all big fans. Sure. And then, so that was on, this is all important for the timeline. I thought Dane Cook is crucial to this story. When isn't he, though? November 8th, 2007, Kyle drove over to his best friend, Daniel, the one who was with him at the show, his house to drop off his car. Oh, no, sorry.

This is the night of the show. I'm sorry. I put the date in the wrong spot. I hear you. November 8th, they're going to this Dan Cook show. Kyle drives to his best friend Daniel's house to drop off his car. Then the two of them take a cab to the show because they're like, we're going to have some drinks. Sure.

So they go to the show. They meet his mom and sister there. They have a great time. And his mom and sister were tired, so they headed home after the show. But Kyle and Daniel were like, let's go out for drinks. So they go to a place called the Buckhead Saloon, which I looked up on Yelp, and it's since closed. They arrived around 11 p.m., had a few drinks,

but Daniel said Kyle was not, like, drunk. Okay. He had a few drinks, but he said kyle kyle was not like drunk okay he had a few drinks but he's like trust me like he wasn't wasted like he was just buzzed at most um around 1 a.m daniel decided to head home he asked kyle if he was coming or staying but kyle was still having a good time and had started talking to a pretty lady so kyle was like you go ahead um i'm gonna stay a little bit longer and that was the last time any of kyle's friends or family would ever see him oh so surveillance footage um at the time shows kyle talking to this woman that he'd befriended at the bar then her boyfriend shows up oh the oh the video isn't totally clear but they definitely had a conversation um i don't know how confrontational it was but the boyfriend definitely showed up and uh it's

debated whether or not it was a very hostile conversation but uh bye kyle yeah see ya literally literally goodbye uh oh god how Shortly after this, the surveillance footage shows Kyle leaving the bar. It's 2.20 a.m. at this point. And about a minute before this, cell phone records indicate he called his sister, Noelle. But she didn't pick up. She was sleeping. They had gone home hours before. And he didn't leave a voicemail.

So he leaves the bar. But he left. It's really strange. He left his debit card there which happens i've done that um but he also left his jacket inside which is strange because it was freezing temperatures outside got it so you think you'd be like oh you know i'm bringing my jacket right but he did forget both which listen i've done stupider things so i'm not gonna judge maybe he was actually really like warm from drinking if you're really drunk you don't even feel it sometimes so you're right

could be so uh this could indicate obviously that he's super drunk but a private investigator that kyle's family later hired believes he may have left them there on purpose in an effort to leave the bar really quickly like maybe he was like forget it i don't want to bring those things i'm just going to peace um and that's backed up by the fact that he's seen reuniting with the woman he'd been talking to crossing the street with her huh side by side boyfriend boyfriend not there interesting so obviously speculation as to like why he was leaving the jacket and the debit card but two potential theories sure um obviously like it could have just been uh carelessness yeah yeah we've all been there so now he's on college street and he's caught on surveillance one last time but he's alone now so he walked across the street with the girl from

inside the woman from inside sure on camera then a little bit later he's seen walking alone down the sidewalk okay so we don't know where he went right okay well so unclear what where the why the two of them were together and then not together and then not together got it right so um he's seen he's on college street uh he which is probably exactly what it sounds uh he's caught on surveillance one final time this is the last time he was ever spotted walking toward a pizza shop and the footage doesn't indicate that he's super drunk like he's not stumbling he doesn't look wasted like drugged maybe he doesn't look right exactly yeah he looks pretty sober he's just kind of chilling just walking down the street which i mean obviously

people can play off drunkenness that doesn't necessarily indicate, but he looks pretty sober. He stops at this place called Fuel Pizza, and he orders two slices of extreme. Yeah. That seems like. That's the way you got to fucking go at 2 a.m. with pizza. And then I put parentheses everything. Okay. That's a pizza with everything on it, which his father confirmed later.

That is his standard order. He's like he would always order two slices of extreme. All right. So looks like Kyle went to the pizza place. Sounds like Kyle. Sounds like Kyle. The cashier noted later that he came in alone, ordered his pizza, and then went to the bathroom. At some point, he exits, but the cashier wasn't paying attention.

So he didn't know when kyle left the building and there's no surveillance footage of kyle leaving so but there is a strange series of phone calls after this he's never seen again on footage but there's a series of strange phone calls made from his phone did he eat the pizza that's a good question i don't know okay i don't know if he left without the p i think they probably would be weirder if he ordered it to not eat it i think he probably must have eaten it because i feel like the guy would be like oh and then he left his pizza behind right you know i feel like that's strange i mean it's possible but my guess is probably he ate it that'd be even weirder if he just like totally

fucking forgot about his pizza yeah or like it wasn't or intentionally you don't leave pizza behind unless that is a goddamn fact. Something really bad is happening. So, yeah, I hope he ate his pizza. I'm not sure. At 2.42 a.m., Kyle made a 10-second phone call to the Buckhead Saloon, possibly because he's like, I forgot my debit card and my jacket there. Right. Maybe. But the bar was closed at this point, so no one picked up.

He then dialed his own voicemail. And then between 2.43 and 2.57, Kyle calls his dad's office number four times, but gets no answer. Also, did he expect anything? Because it's closed. It's two in the morning, right? It's his dad's office. I'm not sure. Yeah.

Okay. You'd think no, but maybe his dad's the night owl. I'm not sure. I don't know. no but right maybe his dad's a night owl i'm not sure i don't know um at approximately 3 25 a.m a cab driver claims to have seen kyle walking in an area known as north davidson he saw quote a kid with no jacket who was not in the right place and looked to be intoxicated um so he just said he looked like a college kid out of place as he wasn't like near the campus anymore he wasn't like in the college part of town

he had just kind of wandered into a different neighborhood um so that's why the taxi driver like noted something was odd several minutes later after he was seen by this taxi driver 3 28 a.m cell phone records indicate kyle called his friend daniel scagnelli i never said his last name but that's his last name uh the phone call lasted only four seconds and kyle didn't leave a voicemail less than a minute later at 3 29 a.m kyle calls one of his roommates and that call only lasts six seconds and then seemingly by 4 a.m his phone had died damn strange so the purpose of the calls has obviously been heavily debated because no one knows what he was doing.

Some people think he was in trouble and was trying to call his friends and family for help. Some believe he was looking for a ride home. And some people think that the calls weren't made by Kyle at all, but by someone who had gotten a hold of his cell phone. Oh, OK. So either way, the next morning, Daniel wakes up and sees a missed call from kyle he calls back goes straight to voicemail so he just shrugs it off but as the day goes on he does not hear from kyle and he starts to get worried uh he hasn't heard anything since last night and carl's kyle's car is not in the driveway so he's like uh that's not good oh no sorry it's it is in the it's still in the

driveway like he hasn't left yes he never picked it up sorry i took the cab yeah god sorry guys i'm getting way wrapped up in this okay the car is still there so he's like well he never came and got his car and he's not answering his phone he's starting to get worried so daniel calls kyle's parents and when they confirm they have also they also have a bunch of missed calls from Kyle they call the police and report him as missing Kyle's family starts searching for signs around the Buckhead Saloon because that's where they knew he was and Daniel immediately created a Facebook page which was smart because within 24 hours it had more than 60,000 people whoa yes it spread and he was really well known and popular at school so i think like people

just kept sharing and sharing exactly um and this is like the height of facebook like 2000 right not 10 2007 whatever wow so uh yeah with 60 000 people and actually this is considered to be the first widespread social media and internet campaign to find a missing person wow fun fact that is a fun fact several of kyle's friends even went on the today show to get the word out uh they were like so desperate they were trying to get on any media um to spread the word police conducted a massive foot search uh they didn't find any clues they pinged the location of his calls his phone was pinged around 3 30 in the area where the cab driver had spotted him so like that kind of um far away area where he made no sense that he was there basically sure like that

weird neighborhood yes out of the way and on saturday november 17th firefighters and 300 volunteers conducted a large-scale search in a nine-mile radius around charlotte yeah they even brought in search dogs and they used kyle's jacket that he had left at the bar as the scent uh to track him they almost immediately picked up on his scent they followed it down college street god dogs are the best just reason a thousand how are they the best reason one through a thousand is this are working i love them so much. For zero dollars. For zero dollars.

To find. Just because they want to. To find missing people. It's wild. Okay. In case you didn't know, dogs are great. They almost immediately picked up an ascent. They followed it down College Street, past the last surveillance camera that had spotted him, and to the outside of the pizzeria.

And that's where they began to walk in small circles which according to their handlers linda and mike is usually an indicator that the missing person may have been looking for something or trying to hide now i oh because he's like running he's like frenetically kind of running back and forth on something or i don't know but it gives me goose cam because they were like that's the that's how they indicate someone was trying to hide it's just so bizarrely specific i don't know maybe you have a certain sense of sweat when you're doing that i have no idea maybe yeah um maybe i don't know but he could have also been looking for something like just pacing back and forth it says either oh or looking for something yeah or trying to hide so i guess you're right like maybe frenetically i don't know i'm not sure it's crazy that dogs can like probably just smell anxiety

and just sure they i mean they can they can sense way more than we can so yeah wow it blows my mind it's so specific i don't know okay that's what they said linda and mike said it listen i don't fucking trust them i trust them i do too i trust those dogs more than anything me too i wrote wtf so they have no reason to ever even lie okay let's go yeah exactly exactly i'm sorry let's keep going so the path continued down college street which turned into north davidson the place where the neighborhood where he was spotted leading to a small bridge that led to cordelia park in villa heights the park is super busy during the day but at, it's known to be the hangout of drug dealers and several gangs, including MS-13. So, not good that he was spotted right near there, and his scent led there.

Like, he was hiding. Oh, no. This is terrible. Oh, no. The dog's handlers called off the search because it was getting dark but on their way out a homeless man struck up a conversation with them and he told them he had seen kyle and he said he'd been killed over at the park but he didn't know where they took his body so nobody knows if that's actually true or maybe it was because he doesn't know if it was kyle i mean it could have been someone else right but it could have been kyle not sure um but then who knows

that nobody can prove obviously whether that's true or not um linda and mike brought the dogs out again the next day and they followed the scent to the park again and then to a construction site only 200 yards away it was at this construction site that the dogs reacted to what their handlers called the scent of death can you imagine like your stomach must drop when you see the dog like do that certain yeah movement oh um so all the dirt at the and they're like treat like they don't even know can i help now did i do my right the right thing so all the dirt at the construction site was turned over and fresh because they were building a new apartment complex okay and they searched through the dirt as much as they could but they couldn't find anything

cadaver dogs were brought in to search the site they searched every pile of fresh dirt but came up empty and within a few months the developers moved forward and built the apartment complex which so he could have been buried under the building yeah okay and uh that fully eliminated any chance for searching further and like they couldn't just search because they needed permission and someone owned this yeah and they were like no we're building a building sorry we need we need this wow more than you wow okay apparently and your dogs um in the years following kyle's disappearance police have held a lot of information close to the chest.

Is it close to the vest or close to the chest? Close to the chest, right? I don't know. I don't know. Half as hardly. Half as hardly. Lumber. So they've held most of the information really close because they don't want to release too much information they're trying

to they're still working on this case let's just put it that way sure okay um and so a lot of the information we do have is not from the police but from kyle's family okay so they made a website i know it's honestly every time it's just like makes my heart hurt um so his family made a website called help find kyle.com which does not exist any longer okay that's even worse because it means they gave up it is yeah the uh facebook page uh daniel made still exists but there's no like usable contact links like it doesn't really it's not usable anymore and they don't update it anymore uh they did make a foundation in kyle's honor called kff.org which aims to help people who aren't sure what to do in the first few days after someone goes missing. Oh, wow.

Which is really. Wonderful. Wonderful. Yeah. It's a sad situation. Yeah. It's at least, you know, helping future people. So it's been almost 12 years now since Kyle's disappearance.

So it's been almost 12 years now since Kyle's disappearance. Police say they still receive tips, but they're obviously fewer and fewer each year, which we see tends to happen with missing persons cases. As far as what happened, there have been a number of theories presented. The first one being some have suggested that Kyle left of his own accord, which apparently actually statistically happens more often than you think that people, quote unquote, run away, try a new identity and you just he was like fuck this pieces um it seems unlikely though i mean most people i feel like most of the time families are like he would never do that she would never do that but apparently it does happen okay but um he had just graduated college he had a great job he was pretty happy by all accounts his mother had just been diagnosed with cancer and obviously that was traumatizing for him but he was like so involved and invested in her um and he never showed up for the surgery so they were like he would have made contact or

checked if she was okay or something um so he's she's still alive by the way today she survived her chemo treatment and uh is in remission so they're like well she's still alive and he's she's still alive, by the way. Today, she survived her chemo treatment and is in remission. So they're like, well, she's still alive and he's never made contact since like they were extremely close. He's dead. Yeah, there's no I think I think also there's also been no activity on his Social Security, which is like and or any other of his cards like nothing. So and that's I think probably pretty freaking hard in this day and age right right to avoid some people believe that kyle's disappearance is linked to two other similar disappearances around the same time the first was matt walker who disappeared from the

same bar buckhead saloon get out wow um oh in milwaukee huh interesting same name different city interesting why i don't know but it's almost the identical scenario where max was last seen by a friend at 1 45 a.m uh security footage captured him exiting and drunk and he never was seen again and it was this i think like the same month or something and it was the same name of the bar it's so weird it's more like conspiracy theory you know like yeah but still creepy oh it's extremely creepy but there's beyond that there's no like real link but they you know same age just very strange uh they did also find his body um okay so that's one big major difference uh and it was found in the milwaukee river and uh was declared an accidental drowning shit okay well so i think maybe someone got found rule that one

out another case with weird parallels is justin gains who vanished outside of wild bills nightclub in duluth georgia only a week prior to kyle's disappearance some people are just trying to connect the dots again no um no official yeah no official proof a career criminal though later admitted to shooting and killing justin but his body has never been recovered and so there's coincidences there um but they nothing can be proven some think he was the victim of a hit and run now i think this is an interesting theory um they think maybe he was hit by a car and run now i think this is an interesting theory um they think maybe he was hit by a car and the person panicked and put his body in the car and disposed of it in any number of the desolate areas of north carolina interesting but typically in a hit and run case where someone panics um they don't get out and pick up the body they drive away right

right right which actually that when i read that the first time i was like oh yeah like i guess you wouldn't be like yeah i'm gonna go pick him up and drag him into my car that's like right if you're afraid of being seen you're way more likely to be seen dragging a body truly it looks much more suspicious that way correct also um police probably looked there were no bloody vehicles that showed, which usually they keep an eye out for. And people report that if like a body shop, if a bloody car comes in. Good to know, at least. I know. They don't keep quiet on that.

Thanks for looking out. So one other theory is that Kyle was murdered in a drug deal gone wrong. Because Kyle had grown up in Charlotte, he knew what went down in Cordelia Park. Like he was no stranger to that area and what happened down there at night so he knew that he was in a bad part of town if he was sober enough yes and he wasn't known to be a drug user uh but it's possible maybe he wanted some marijuana uh he had reportedly smoked before then again he only had six dollars in his wallet so it's like either he was he just stumbled into the wrong area and just got caught up in something. Yeah.

It's strange. And like either he was so drunk that he didn't know where he was and he went the wrong way. Or he was so like, why would he go to the park? It's just weird. Or he was so drunk that he didn't know he had $6 on him. The most common theory, like you were saying, is that Kyle was a victim of a random act of violence. The theory suggests Kyle somewhat drunkenly wandered into the park, encountered someone or a group of someones who wanted to rob him. He had six dollars.

So at this point, the theory branches that either they tried to rob him, saw he had barely any money and killed him. They tried to rob him, saw he had barely any money and killed him. Or he ran into members of MS-13 who saw him as an easy target, who was possibly a witness and murdered him. Shit. So in this case, it's not believed Kyle was what? Oh, no. So sorry. I have one eye behind my microphone.

I'm trying to read with one eye. It is very difficult to give you accurate notes when you're reading with an eye patch, essentially. Yeah. This microphone has become kind of that um so in this case if this is what happened this random act of violence it's believed that kyle was murdered and his body was disposed of probably at the construction site where the dogs right led to the scent and there was fresh dirt that day um i find that to be the most plausible theory still terrible terrible um the question is if it was one person who killed him how did they so thoroughly hide it that even cadaver dogs who looked through the dirt couldn't find it right right so they did they did search it

did they cut them up and put them in different chunks so much time though and like effort i don't know yeah i guess you know i feel like i haven't done it personally so i don't i'm not sure how long it takes oh weird you should i thought only like seven minutes like five to seven minutes i'd say more like 11 you're doing it wrong i guess i'm doing it wrong you need to teach me your way skillshare nope i'm not gonna connect skillshare to this aha just a joke okay hope they don't listen to the full episodes okay the question is how did they dispose of the body to the point that cadaver dogs couldn't find it but even if it was i feel like even if it was cut up it would be more likely that one part of it would have been yeah actually so i don't know maybe they like put them in like a some sort of

like vacuumed bag or something vacuum sealed that like keeps the the sense away you know well they smelled him though they just couldn't find him maybe it's just like a faint smell so they didn't maybe i don't know like i was not there you weren't okay not the whole time and also if the if this was gang violence and they like so carefully hid the body why the fuck did they take the time to do that like they don't care typically like if someone is killed in that in like a random they wouldn't like cut up his body and take the time to hide it like because no one could trace it to them an initiation or something but that's true like now you're saying that i'm thinking oh yeah they literally would have just killed him and then

walked away ms-13 they don't give a they don't take the time to like right it didn't make any sense so it's unclear i still think this is the most sensible theory that maybe it just was buried too far or like farther away than where they looked or who knows um one other theory i found interesting is that the boyfriend from the buckhead saloon had something to do with it remember oh yeah so i of course did a deep dive on reddit i found a number of people who actually knew Kyle in college and said that although he was a decent guy, he had a tendency to become angry when drunk. Oh. He was known to be a social drinker.

So if he was flirting with that girl and then had an altercation with the boyfriend, a lot of his friends were like, hotheaded. Yes, hotheaded. Our prediction is things would have gone awry. Apparently, the boyfriend was the primary person of interest when the police first got involved, but nothing has proved that he has anything to do with it. So I think, like, they thoroughly searched that lead, and it didn't lead anywhere. At this point, it's been almost 12 years. years it seems like nobody's any closer to finding out what happened was just just try i feel like it's just so hard enough to i mean obviously to have someone to lose someone and then to not know must be right even if you're 99.99 sure it's like there's you like always awkwardly hold out one

inch of hope you can't have closure yeah it's It's terrible. It's really terrible. For what it's worth, his parents are convinced he was killed in a robbery gone wrong. So that's kind of where they are. They think he's buried under the apartment complex next to Cordelia Park. They've tried to move on as much as they can. They say they no longer harbor the hope that he's alive, but they still want to know what happened. And they're hoping for tips and information that could lead to an arrest. And they wholeheartedly believe that someone in charlotte knows something so anyone with information as to what happened to kyle kyle fleishman full name is urged to contact crime

stoppers at 704-334-1600 and that is the story of the disappearance of kyle fleishman yikes i started speaking fast my computer was dying so i can't lose the story of the disappearance of kyle fleishman yikes sorry i started speaking fast my computer was dying so i can't lose the story we need to know oh my gosh well and then we still didn't get a satisfying ending yeah that felt good my bad um wow that's really sad 12 years it's been 12 years almost yeah wow um it's really sad yeah and that was your charlotte live show charlotte yeah i messed it bummed you all out yeah sorry about that and that's why we changed Wow. It's really sad. Yeah. And that was your Charlotte live show. Charlotte. Yeah. I messed up, bummed you all out.

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Oh, boy. All right, folks. thank you for listening um truly if there is ever anything any story that i tell i know that like it's so unlikely but if there is any story i tell where you're like huh i live in that area and like maybe he looks familiar just just just try just a shout out yeah can't hurt to uh to try and and contact if you see something say something exactly exactly and that's how people it's happened people have been uh cases have been solved when people kind of recognize somebody or come forward with information so you never know oh yeah you never know could be some closure for some people thank you guys so

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