And That's Why We Drink - E159 A Sinister Vibe Check and the Governor of Noodletown

Episode Date: February 16, 2020

Please don't burn our chairs! This week we accidentally coordinated Ohio stories for you. Em takes us to the Ohio State Reformatory for some hauntings and Christine covers the horrifying angel of death, Donald Harvey. We also may or may not be muppets... and that's why we drink!Please consider supporting the companies that support us! Just go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in DRINKGo to ZOLA.com/drink today and use promo code SAVE50 to get 50% off your save the dates! Head to warbyparker.com/drink to order your free Home Try-On!For 20% off your first purchase, visit nativedeodorant.com/drink

we're in the we're in the we're in the end game now i'm just uh put their legs into their sweatshirt as sweatpants so we needed a moment to settle i'm still out of breath my foot kept getting stuck in the hood part and not in the arm sleeve i panicked a little and then suddenly i thought why don't we sell and that's why you drink sweatpants so that'd be great somebody eva can we do that you write that down is that a thing i don't even know what they'd look like but i'm excited they would look good though oh yeah they look bananas we'll work on that um hi everybody hello how is everybody are you doing good i'm doing good are you doing good good good uh how are you m i'm good i just said it good my legs are good warm

finally my i really am still out of breath that was a real you know when you're like not in shape and you can uh no i don't know anything about that. I could feel my like abs where they should be. At least I could feel like twitching because I was trying to hold my core together. The only person I know who doesn't know that is RJ. RJ is the only person I know who doesn't know what it's like to not be in shape. Recently, I was sitting on the couch with Allison and I tried to lean up just to pull the blanket out from behind me. And her legs were on my lap. She could feel my stomach trembling because I could not lift the blanket out from behind me and her legs were on my lap she could feel my stomach trembling because i could not lift the blanket out from behind me and i'm sure rj

would be like what are you talking about like i lift other humans over my head i don't know how are you oh i'm great thank you for asking um you're welcome it's february we're uh getting through it we you guys are probably cold i'm so sorry about that um we're doing some things we're going to northern california um i don't know i don't feel like things are like okay this is so gonna jinx it but i feel like things are relatively calm right now goodbye which i think last year during tour things were so not calm that now i'm like anxious like comparatively everything is so much better than our last tour just because we did so much more prep work it just felt like something we were it felt like we were constantly behind last year and now i'm like oh i feel like we're actually like okay knock on wood seriously because

now i don't want to jinx it but so far so good as of today we're doing great yes exactly tomorrow a whole other yeah we'll get back to you real quick but um no i hope everyone else is doing okay and doing great um i'm i've been feeling very thankful for all of you listeners lately and just really reflecting and writing in my gratitude journal about you and um meditating the fuck about me i'm great you grateful for me oh yes okay sure i added an 11th spot on my list just for you okay well i don't even know you had a gratitude i do have a gratitude journal and um i was out of it for a while because i was you know traveling and stuff i'm trying to get back into it it's actually really like calming like comforting because you're kind of like okay even if things are going bad or stressful there are always things that you're like oh mine are usually coffee because i do it

in the morning um and you're pretty much always on there obviously you're full of lies i'm not you want to see it no that's so sweet i don't want to see it and then and then get emotional so i'm gonna pretend it's not real you folks are on there obviously anyway it's a couple of them switch throughout the day whether i'm mad at geo or juni or not um but yeah no and so i've been trying to really be more um be more focused on all the goodness and um i'm thankful for all of you so thank you oh my now my next step i want to go back to the lucid dreaming so i'm gonna i'm gonna start getting back into that some tarot i want to get back into the tarot someone did a really nice aura reading for me recently and sent it to me and it made me cry i was like what does it say holy smokes um it said a lot so i'm not color is your aura so uh okay i think the main

one was pink but also they said sometimes people have different interpretations of the colors okay if that makes sense sure um so yeah let me see i want to just make sure i give them a shout out because uh so it was from blair who uses they them uh pronouns um and blair is an empath and practicing pagan witch and is also a patron and so during our live stream um they said they would send an an aura reading my way wow probably because i screamed at their face that i wanted one as a joke and then they followed through which was just so unbelievably kind but yeah so um a predominant pink a protruding yellow and a receding green okay it'll sound like a starburst or like a it sounds like elisa frank go slow down and kind of stop like a street street light yeah like a really neon like like a pastel yeah stoplight

yeah um and so you know it was really sweet and uh very it felt like almost chilling i was like holy crap like i don't even this person doesn't even know me like beyond the podcast but sure there's some stuff in here and i was like, wowza. Interesting. I just read one line. They seldom make rash mistakes. I'm like, well. Okay, Blair, you're not totally on it. You're not totally on it. I like to think I'm not too, well, okay.

I can't even defend that one. But thank you, Blair, for that, by the way. That was just really, really thoughtful of you. And it really made me happy and it made me kind of start thinking about things. And I think I'm just in one of those phases. I'm so sorry. You're just gonna have to be patient with me. Of course. You know, my phases. Oh, I know. I love your phases. Oh, thank you. Nobody else does. My phase right now is Pokemon. I mean, come on. That's a good phase, though. I'm really on board. It's a good phase because I'm going to be making money on it one day. Yeah, like I know you've had like your tea phase and stuff but the pokemon one so far i'm

like really amped about thank you i just bought three new uh binders yesterday for all my sleeves i don't know if i've mentioned on here i'm collecting my pokemon cards again by the way if you haven't figured it out uh no i found all my old ones from my mom's house and a lot of them are in pretty great condition. So I was like, I'll just I'll just fill out the complete set. So that's amazing. I mean, that's that's a fun hobby. Yeah, I came back.

I bought a bunch of cards when we were gone in Texas and I came home to them. So it was fun to organize them. It's like an unboxing. It was. It was. I get FabFu fun. You get Pokemon cards. Listen, I love my pokemon cards and

i'm trying to i mean it's gonna take a while but just because the ones that i want are the ones that i have but want better conditions of are wildly expensive oh i imagine it's gonna be a very slow collection but gives me something to do your grandparents or grandparents your grandchildren are gonna be so proud of you someday they are especially when i don't give them the cards yeah right they're not toys they'll really enjoy the yacht i buy with them um i will though so yeah i think i think this is why maybe i'm so on board with this uh this hobby of yours yeah so i don't know if i'm actually going to sell them or not but i do want to eventually at least have a full complete set so if you don't have use your pokemon cards at anymore i might take this opportunity to say please send them to our pubo oh my goodness yeah i mean why not was it too i can't i remember

our address anymore 1920 1920 hillhurst ave number 265 los angeles california 900 27 yes yeah if you don't use your pokemon cards anymore by all means i was gonna bring you some i'm going home uh in a couple days to visit family in cincinnati so i might check uh i might check if my mom still has any in the attic because we might have some i mean they're probably not anything special so i wouldn't get your hopes up but you'd be surprised there's some of them that i i didn't know were not worth anything but like i thought for sure i had one and i don't and now i have to go out and search for them. So they might complete me. I feel like we never talk about Pokemon.

Did you watch it or did you play the cards or did you? Both. Okay. All. I played and I watched and I collected. Did you play the video games? Oh, yeah. Oh, okay.

Because I know you hate video games. So I was. That's fair. No, I, well, I had a Game Boy Color growing up. I had the blue one, like the teal one. I had the purple see-through one. Okay. I know I've told you about this already, but I wasn't allowed to have the purple see-through

one because my mom told me that was a boy color. Joke's on you, mom. But it's all I ever wanted. I'm still kind of mad about it, actually. You know you have one now, right? I know. I now have one. Steven sent you one.

But I still, I, my child, Steven sent you one. But I still... The child in me always wanted to show it off. But I had Pokemon Red, Pokemon Blue, and Pokemon Yellow. Oh, I had Red, Yellow, and Silver. Yeah, I had the... I guess the original three colors, and then they had, like, Sapphire and Ruby, or they had Silver and Gold and Sapphire.

Yeah. I stopped caring after Red, Yellow, Blue. Or Red, Blue, Yellow. I stopped caring. But you don't want to play them now? I do play them now, actually. On Switch? No, on my actual Game Boy Color.

It still works. But other than those three, that's like, I found my video game thing. I just kind of assumed you never played them because I know you don't like video games. So I didn't know what your entrance to the Pokey world was. No, when I was younger, my mom and I did a lot of traveling, and so it was an easy thing for my mom to keep me busy on the airplane. Oh, yeah. Because it didn't have TVs and stuff.

My mother, when we traveled with her, too, just passed the Game Boy back. I also played the—to this day, I can't win it, but but on the game boy color they had a tarzan game and uh i was never able to get past like level seven i'm sure there's i'm sure most adults could get through that very well it was hard those things and i had a sega dreamcast nice that was pretty fun we had a sega genesis okay i'm sorry you guys are so fascinated with this i'm sure um i yeah anyway we can talk about this on on a live stream someday maybe if anyone wants to talk to talk about it i forgot we were being recorded we have other just sitting here i think we're supposed to talk about other things on this show and i know people things

that are less fun write mean reviews about us talking about ourselves so uh let's talk about other people you mean people are listening to our podcast where we talk about ourselves i don't like that we're talking about ourselves on our podcast i'm gonna talk about someone else this is the patron of the week their name is christina p christina p hi christina p with quite an italian last name thank you so much for supporting okay thank you for supporting us and for uh being being you and having a really cool name and being so italian being having a cool first name the coolest oh my god okay so my story is from your homeland ohio hey oh my god my story's from ohio too huh is it about walter no it's not about walter uh so this is the story of the Ohio State slash Mansfield Reformatory. Oh, okay.

Oh, I've heard about this place. So it is the most haunted place in Ohio. Fun fact. Some say it's one of the most haunted places in the country. Besides my mom's house. Uh-huh. Well, that's a fact. It's been seen on the Harry and Walter Go to New York show.

I do not know what that is. Me either. It's been on tango and cash it's been on air force one what scene on air force one like someone like watched ghost adventures on air force one i don't know let's make it that one the president has actually watched this on air force one which president i don't let's go with obama please okay michelle actually has watched videos about the mansfield reformatory on Air Force One. It's also been mentioned on Scariest Stories on Earth, the place with the creepy alien voice.

Zelda. Yep. Scariest Stories on Earth, and it's also been on Scariest Places on Earth. It's been on Ghost Hunters. It's been on Lil Wayne's music video, Go DJ. Oh, hell yeah. It's been on Fallen Angels, and it's been on Ghost Adventures. It's been on Ghost Hunters Academy.

It's been on Inside Secret America and Destination America. But it's best known because it was. And that's why we drink episode. Yes. 159. Bingo. Also, because it was apparently the filming location for parts of Shawshank Redemption. What?

I feel like I'm such a loser. I don't know this about my own state. It's OK. I'm going to catch you up. Thank you. So in 1861, the property was a training camp during the Civil War called the Camp Mordecai Bartley. But in the 1840s, it became like Mansfield. The town became Mansfield, I guess. Got it. 1867 six years later uh mansfield was chosen as a build site for immediate penitentiary which was 180 acres and cost 1.3 million dollars at the time oh that's a lot so 1.3 million in 1867 i

couldn't even begin to tell you how much that cost 400 billion okay that sounds right um there were three design choices uh fun fact there are three different styles to this place so it's a little mishmash of all of them victorian gothic richardsonian romanesque and queen anne oh my god so they really were like hmm well this prison what uh what turrets do we want it to have i mean it sounds you were just telling me and eva about victorian houses how at the time they were actually super tacky because they were so ornate. Fun fact, everyone. Victorian houses originally were considered the McMansions of their day because they were built by typically the nouveau riche who wanted to show off their money. And so they would build these really massive, intricate houses with like big turrets and things

that kind of were useless as far as architecturally speaking, but were kind of flashy and showy. And so nowadays, obviously, they're considered very historic and beautiful, and I love them personally. I do, but people at the time then apparently would laugh at us for thinking it looked beautiful. It's apparently very tacky, and you're showing off your wealth by building crazy spirals and shit in your house. But yeah, so that's kind of a fun fact.

Anyway, this sounds like it was one of those tacky places spirals and shit in your house um but yeah so that's kind of a fun fact anyway anyway this sounds like it's it was one of those tacky places because it's got a lot of really uh elegant elaborate for a jail too like so it's like a it's like a mcmansion penitentiary yeah penitentiary a mc a mc tenchery um sure also the design was meant obviously because it was like uh victorian gothic and all this it was a prison a mc prison sorry it just sounds better it was uh the design was meant, obviously, because it was like Victorian Gothic and all this. A McPrison. A McPrison. Sorry, it just sounds better. It was, the design was meant to intimidate but also encourage the inmates to become spiritually reborn.

So it's supposed to also kind of look like a church. Oh, so it's one of those. Yeah, it's one of those. I remember those. Also, it was built to look like a castle, so it would look beautiful on the outside. So it was actually considered a gift to be sentenced here compared to other facilities. You're welcome for putting you in this prison cell. In this prison castle church.

So when the first prisoners actually came there, it was such a nice looking facility compared to other things in the area. And so townspeople lined the streets handing the first prisoners cigars as like congratulations oh my goodness and the building wasn't completely finished yet so the first inmates actually did have to help with construction and the prison was done 14 years later so if you were there for the first 14 years part of your stay in this penitentiary was to help build the place that always like that is so scary i remember that story you told in florida where they had to build the gallows that they would later be hanged in yeah like then you have to it's just so disturbing and here you have to build your own prison you're like you're mcprison you're

mcprison it's like a whole other psychological torture it must be and you're doing manual labor too i'm sure like also how was that like like how was that supervised like because you would think if all these prisoners are building it they would build secret passageways i would put little loose bricks in there yeah a shawshank redemption style you know maybe a little passageway in 1919 it was finally completed and it was the largest self-supporting steel cell block in the world it had 600 cells and it was six stories high wow um they had it was a mid-level moderate security prison for the first time offenders and the goal was just rehabilitation so it was very progressive for

its time okay um it had vocational schooling on site the facility was self-sustaining it produced its own food and 90 of the um inmates when they left they ended up not re-offending so oh wow it was doing its job. That's pretty incredible. And in 1891, it was officially changed to the Ohio State Reformatory, not the Mansfield Reformatory. In what year? 1891. Got it.

In that same year, Phoebe Wise owned a farmhouse across the street. Oh, good for her. Remember Phoebe. Okay. Can you imagine if I don't mention Phoebe for the the rest of i love that that's the best maybe i should start doing that in all of my haunted house stories i'll make and across the street lived benjamin he had a yo-yo yeah good for him just to like bring some light to this i really like this fun fact that you just gave me who the fuck is phoebe wise i don't know so in 1891 phoebe wise lived

across the street in a farmhouse um people thought phoebe was rich but she uh just because she didn't trust banks so they thought like oh she must like have all of her money held somewhere else um so rumors of her having a fortune hidden in the house started circulating the area and three men broke into her house tied her to a chair lit a torch under her feet demanding her fortune so burning her feet until she like came clean about where her money was oh no no but she didn't have anything she just didn't trust banks and so when they left she untied herself and walked to the jail to report everything since there were guards there she's like this just happened across the street to me holy shit and she became a local celebrity um a guy named jacob heard about her and

started stalking her because he was so impressed with her story oh ew okay so now a second round of horror is happening come on this woman can't get a break we should have just ended it out she bought a house across the street i liked phoebe when she had her yo-yo across the street so uh jacob got into stalking her and showed up at her house one night tapped on the window knocked on the door and watched her through her windows don't fucking do that people apparently this became pretty common and one night came to her house and yelled marry me or kill me phoebe and so she pointed a rifle through the window and shot him she's like get the fuck away from me. She's like, you told it, me too.

So the Mansfield News Journal the next day had a headline that Phoebe Wise rids herself of an intolerable nuisance. Cockroaches? Pests? No. Jacob. Jacob. So after she died in 1933, locals believed that she still had a fortune. And so they broke it and tore apart her floors and walls. What in the world? But before that, when she had untied herself and and gone to the police and then she started getting stalked.

The reason that she became such a big name in town was because she also then became a hermit because she was terrified of the fact that someone broke in and lit her feet on fire yes and so that's why she started getting stalkers because they were curious about what happened to her but um she started getting stalkers because these people were they wanted her fortune or they wanted to marry her apparently they were being bad people and being stalkers well also the reason i mentioned this now is because she became a hermit obviously people started getting curious about her she started talking to the animals near her she started uh being known for shouting loudly out the window to get people's attention she also apparently to the local children was a witch right that checks out for uh you know childhood lore i guess so i'll i'll bring that up later. But Phoebe Wise is now the witch across the street from the Ohio State Reformatory.

OK, interesting. Interesting. So in the 1960s, the reformatory was getting overcrowded and it was breeding conflict. And 10 years later, they declared it was now a max security program and dangerous criminals were also getting sent there after it was already overcrowded. So now there's like really scary criminals also crowding this place so the prison's focus shifted from reform to just punishment just to keep people at bay and it got a reputation for inhumane conditions let me guess the the reoffend reoffender rate went up or went down oh i'm sure or whatever the percentage was i'm sure of that there was an extreme a reputation for extreme violence between the inmates there was excessive daily shakings and

beatings from the guards shakings there was poor nutrition pest infestations diseases occasionally the inmates were thrown over the catwalks holy shit just to get them away i don't know what the fuck apparently there were a few types of torture. One was called the butterfly. No, I don't like this. There was electro torture. There were water hoses. There was a sweat box.

And there was the hole. What's the butterfly? I think we get to it a little bit. Ironically, the chapel was also now an execution room. Oh, my goodness. Many were tortured and hanged there oh my god um many also died of suicide one in particular was in cell 13 it was an inmate named james lockhart who doused himself with stolen turpentine and paint thinner set himself on fire

in the cell oh my god oh my god um the cellmates said that his body peeled off in chunks oh my god as they dragged him to the infirmary oh no no no no no so they were just trying to get him to the infirmary and he was falling up literally falling off of himself oh um over 200 people have died here they were buried outside in the cemetery including two guards in the 1920s. One was Urban Wilford, who was shot by an inmate named Philip. In 1932, another guard during an escape attempt was beaten to death by inmates, and his name was Frank. In 1948, there was a murder on the property when the superintendent, wife, and daughter were kidnapped and shot by two parolees execution style holy shit and two parolees these two parolees were considered the quote mad dog killers they

planned the murder for years because the superintendent apparently used to abuse them so they thought well we'll just kill you and your family but the daughter oh no in the 1950s uh the new superintendent was arthur glatke he was a superintendent for 20 years and lived in the 1950s uh the new superintendent was arthur glatke he was a superintendent for 20 years and lived in the administration area with his wife helen because at the time i guess you also lived on site that doesn't seem like a good idea anymore after that first murder but okay sure he tried him he actually tried improving the conditions he played slow music on the speakers to keep inmates calm he was well respected and one day helen was looking for her jewelry box in the closet and accidentally knocked over a loaded gun off the shelf and went

off and shot her she died three days later oh my god and a few years later arthur died in his office in the administration area so those are died after he died years later oh i thought you said days later oh no yeah a few years later he died in his office so, I thought you said days later. Oh, no. Yeah, a few years later, he died in his office. Oh, my. Oh, she died three days, sorry, after the shoot. Yeah. That is horrifying. That's two more deaths, but they were actually respected by the inmates.

She was looking for her jewelry box? Yeah. That's really sad. So the hole that I mentioned is solitary confinement, total darkness. You are starved. You're not given food and you sleep on concrete floors which were roach and rat infested and uh there was only there was only supposed to be one person per cell and there were 20 cells um but i'm sure

with overcrowding a lot of people were getting shoved in rooms meant for one person um in 1957 a riot broke out among 120 inmates and all of them were put in the hole which meant six men per cell for an entire month so a space meant to fit one person had six people in it and you were there for 30 days starving and in pitch black yes i mean and probably like honestly like this is really gross like defecating on each other and like sleeping, standing up. And I can't even comprehend. I can't even imagine. In one of those cells where six men were now shoved in there for 30 days, the guards accidentally paired up two of the most violent inmates who hated each other.

They fought and no guards came. So one was killed and the guards didn't find out for a month because they weren't going in to feed them or take care of them. They literally just, the guards closed the doors and opened them 30 days later. Can you imagine being that person, though, to be like, okay, it's been 30 days. Hey, Jim, you go open this cell now. Right. Where, like, the second someone goes and opens the door, they're going to beat the shit out of you. You would think so.

Maybe eat you. They would want to. So the guards didn't find out for a month um and so the one the guard that was killed was stuffed in the bedding when they found him wait wait wait sorry so the two guards the two inmates who hated each other one of them got killed by the other and stuffed in the bedding and they found out a month later oh the prisoner got stuffed in the bed yeah and the guard found out a month later. Oh, the prisoner got stuffed in the bedding. Yeah. And the guard found out a month later. Got it.

Got it. The infirmary was no better at this point. It was full of neglect. Many people starved because they couldn't fight off inmates that stole their food. Oh. Because they were just lying there helpless. Sure. In 1978, the Council for Human Dignity filed a lawsuit for inhumane conditions.

And in 1986, the prison was forced to be closed due to delays and didn't close for actually another four years. The last inmates actually be transferred was four years after it was demanded to be closed, man. And the 1990s, the building was supposed to be torn down, but Shawshank location scouts loved the prison so much and ended up

saving the building because they wanted to film parts of shawshank redemption there cool so after the movie uh preservationists convinced the state not to tear any more of the building down so the front of it is saved the rest of it has been destroyed um but in 1995 the mansfield reformatory preservation society was formed and turned the prison into a museum so the preservation society is trying to restore the the jail to its original state and it's open almost year-round and they also have a shawshank trail tour which shows you like behind the scenes stories that's really cool i would love to do that that sounds fun i love that movie um also there's a halloween themed haunted prison

experience i don't want to do that part you can do that where there's actors and animatronics and stuff like that um they also offer public and private ghost hunts and ghost walks for children ghost hunt classes and special ghost events ghost hunt classes that's precious precious and ghost events for children oh my gosh i love this so much so uh they offer three types of guided ghost tours the The History Meets Hollywood, which I assume has something to do with Shawshank Redemption. Beyond the Bars. And the Inmate Tour. Ooh, that sounds spooky. They all sound good.

Yeah. And many of the Preservation Society's tour guides are former inmates. So they're also helping give them jobs and things like that. But they also have personal experience. They're former inmates? That is wild. So they also have personal experience that is wild so they also have the personal experience so they will straight up tell you things that they experienced when they were prisoners that's

like uh at alcatraz when that guy was there to sign books and he had been a prisoner you remember that yeah he like was one of the prisoners and he wrote a book and he was there signing books at alcatraz i remember you got me a cup from that day. Yeah. I also got you a copy of that book, I think. Didn't I? No, I think you just got me the mug and then you got me a flag. Okay, maybe I'm making that up. I remember you telling me about the book, though.

Huh. One of the... So this is a quote from one of the tour guides, I think. One of them was there in the 1960s and another was... Oh, this is the Preservation Society talking about how they're hiring, um, former inmates to work there. Okay. One of them was, uh, was there in the 1960s and another was there in the 1980s. So their tours are totally different because they were in the same cell blocks, but under different laws.

Right. So they can give the history better than most. So it works out well for everyone. That is so interesting. give the history better than most so it works out well for everyone that is so interesting um they also host the music and tattoo festival a murder mystery dinner theater a beer fest and a 7k shawshank hustle run sorry what i would like to be a part of this not the run but everything else they like know how to market themselves i guess i am this is so cool um so now i'm just gonna tell you the guests the ghosts the guests well the eternal guests yeah yeah um so in the admin area there are apparently

shadow people people hear voices and see footsteps they hear voices and footsteps they sense being watched they feel gusts of cold air they've heard a man or a woman whispering. They have smelled roses, which apparently is Helen's perfume, the one who shot herself by accident. People have smelled cigars. Helen has actually been seen walking to the bathroom. In the attic, there's a quote from someone saying, Let's just say a very well-known paranormal celebrity had an experience up there and refused to go back in. I'm not going to say who it was

i'll just say that he grabbed his scarf and walked out i don't know who wears a scarf is it zb i would think maybe i don't think he would ever walk away from a challenge though that's true he would yell at it anyone know a ghost but maybe that's why it's a secret maybe but then he should have said like he grabbed his like bag of extra biceps and walked out. He grabbed his GNC protein powder and left. He grabbed his acid-washed jeans. So in the basement, there are two different entities down there that they're avoided even when the building was a jail. So people will see a boy running or hiding, and others will sense a, quote, malicious presence.

Where flashlights have stopped working, they have gotten the sense of being choked. There's an apparition of a guard with, quote, sinister vibes. He's got some sinister vibes. Honestly, vibe check. He's kind of, like, sinister. Do you not see my neon sign, good vibes only? People have felt a cold breeze and heard whispers, and psychics have actually spoken to a 14-year-old boy who says that the inmates cornered him and beat him to death.

What? A child? Mm-hmm. Yikes. Okay. There's also been EVPs of a little boy whispering and saying, hey. What? Who's this child?

This is terrible. I don't know. They think that it might have been, like, a family member visiting a guard or maybe visiting even one of the prisoners. Lordy. Okay. In the cell blocks, inmates have told guards that they were scared at night because they felt like something was touching them at night in the dark. They felt. Imagine being an inmate.

No one's even giving you the time of day to explain what's going on. You're stuck in there. And you're like, help. I don't want to be here in the middle of the night. And they're like, too bad you're in jail. And I'm sure it doesn't help that you don't want there, obviously. And you're like, help. I don't want to be here in the middle of the night. And they're like, too bad you're in jail. Well, and I'm sure it doesn't help that you don't want to, like, admit to everyone that you're scared. Right. I don't know.

But they felt hands touching them at night. They felt something grabbing at their bedsheets. They reported being tucked in by something. Oh, God. And people here running in the halls and cell doors slamming on their own. People have experienced tapping noises on the walls. They'll see shadow figures pacing in the cells and people have been pushed there have been photos of apparitions and there's even an

evp of someone saying please don't touch me and it's like dude i don't want to touch you no thank you no problem don't touch me yeah you don't touch me i don't touch you we're fine quid pro quo so there's a chair room on the third floor a chair chair room? There is a, yeah, huh. I don't know why. Oh, that's it? I'd love to have a chair room. There's a chair room that, oh, chair in the room. I was like, you need to explain this to me.

I would love a chair room. Yeah, same. I'd love a couch room, really. I'd love just like a blankets and pillows room. Yeah. So there is a chair in the room on the third floor that always moves back to its original spot so if you move it anywhere else you will hear it slide back after you leave it never mind i don't want that room and m can have that room one guy said he was

going to smash the chair and turn it into firewood and then something shoved him and he felt burning on his back and giant welts appeared he's like i'm gonna turn you into firewood man that's what is that guy's chair he's like don't touch my chair maybe maybe i imagine it's someone's favorite chair yeah and then they died and now people try to fuck with the chair and they're like my chair they're like give me back my fucking chair don't set my chair on fire you asshole that's like i imagine someone's grandpa is still pissed that like their bark lounge is being sat in by someone else like the dog took it over it's like no that's my goddamn chair and then if someone's like i'm going to set this bark lounge on fire grandpa comes back and is like i don't think so shoves you sets you on fire i guess so um in the chapel people get grabbed a lot awesome great um there are strange lights and

photos there are unexplained noises spirits are seen lingering in the doorways and people hear shouting, screaming and crying. And then there's Elmo. What? Tickle me? Don't tickle this one. And don't let him tickle you back. I really won't let him tickle me back. Don't you worry about that.

Apparently, so Elmo is the name for what appears as a red glow in the shape of a literal Muppet. It looks like fucking Elmo. What? It looks like a big anthropomorphic blob that's red. No. And it shows up in many guests' photos. Oh, ew. So here's a quote.

If you see the red glow in your pictures, Elmo is posing. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Elmo is allegedly demonic. You don't say. Allegedly. And invokes fear and anger and accidents happen when he appears so guests are pushed on the stairs people have been forcefully struck with something that they can't see but i mean it's literally like oh if you see a picture if you take a picture

there and you see elmo look out because he's almost gonna tickle you a little too hard yeah this is like elmo's uh doppelganger the one that like in a parallel universe is just like violent and evil yeah it's just demonic elmo oh demonic elmo that sounds demonic muppets are not something i want to get involved demonic muppets now that's a jim henson original wait that's true i guess elmo is not jim henson huh oh no sesame street me street i would still consider him a muppet even though he's not like on kermit the frog's team i guess i don't know if that's trademarked it's kind of like disney and like the looney tunes oh i was gonna say like like bugs bunny and mickey mouse sure like i still think of them on the same pedestal yeah exactly companies um they're probably like cousins or something yeah something like that like

like elmo has the knockoff it's not easy being red you know so it's not easy being red so wait you know what's interesting though is my dad growing up my nickname since i was a baby my dad always called me elmo oh and you dance like hermit oh shit it's not easy being red guys tell you what hold on that is so weird are we the muppets are we you're the off-brand muppet interesting i'm the real muppet the okay interesting the here for the booze logo for our new tour was actually created by someone who has worked for the jim henson company so where are we muppets wearing muppets i'm getting really thrown this is crazy we have to us we have told them that multiple times now i'm gonna keep saying it but we're gonna keep saying it um but holy shit yeah huh i think we're muppets i think we're

it's about time we reveal to you our true selves uh so sorry so there's a demon okay yeah yeah got it we are the demonic elmo actually it checks out it checks out i dance like one fucking demon i tell you what's the truth so apparently if there's a cluster of three orbs in your photo, then that's like Elmo plus the Trinity, which is like a mocking of the Trinity. So it's like super demonic. So you will smell something rotten and your electronics will malfunction if you see three red glowing things in your pictures. In the infirmary, there are gusts of wind and

closed rooms and disembodied moaning there are orbs and high emf reads um in the graveyard objects will move by themselves equipment will fail and it's now forbidden from entering fun fact i believe it in the library where helen died um helen has been seen gliding across the room and objects will fall to the floor and move on their own oh dear she's looking for her jewelry she's like where the fuck is that jewelry i need those earrings man on the stairs guests are shoved or slapped on the back people will hear evil laughter and some people will feel pressure on the small of their backs or arms as if they're being helped up the stairs oh like thank you for helping i guess thanks i feel like they'd be leading you up just to push you down yeah probably true um the whole uh people still to this day get really nauseous i don't

think i could even go in there that would it sounds too dark seems too much for me people get nauseous people feel like they're being watched people have felt breath on their necks people have seen glowing eyes they've heard shuffling and halls and they've heard deranged babbling people have heard growling they've heard crying and sounds of cell doors being banged on they've seen shadow figures that are regularly roaming the halls and the hole and tour guides often think that they're missing guests because a certain amount of people will show up on the tour and then halfway through it looks like there's less people

but it's the same amount of people which means ghosts showed up for the tour and then disappeared halfway through. Yikes. Or it will look like new people have joined the tour and it's really ghosts are now. They're like this is my favorite part. They're like where's your paid ticket? They're like I this one this is my favorite this is my favorite i'm elmo i want to

hear you talk about me and then i'll go away very vain um so there are hundreds of evps apparently visitors have been scratched had their hair pulled they've seen apparitions following them there's camera evidence of spirits walking through the jail at night and following tours. So if you look at behind a tour, behind the tour, like a couple feet behind them will be a shadow figure. I hate that. This is why you don't ever go the last person in a tour. You can't on these kind of things. I put me right in the middle. But also, like, really, do you want to be in the middle?

Because then you're surrounded by maybe five random spirits who weren't there originally. Well, as long as... Fuck, I don't know don't know just don't go at all also in cell 13 where the guy caught himself on fire and was literally dripping off of his body people have gone numb in his cell and apparently the guy that set himself on fire will show himself to guests and he will still be on fire oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no people have also witnessed phoebe our good pal the witch she's back she has been seen staring out of windows and walking on the road between her house and the jail almost as if she's still replaying that energy of her traumatic night

yeah there are even reports of her asking to hitch a ride to the reformatory and vanishing in your car oh god oh she's like my feet were just set on fire can i hop in yep and then disappearing and that's the ohio state mansfield reformatory i am actually like full-on look at my goose cam right now holy smokes yeah that was a good one i spooked you that one spooked me good man you're welcome oh i hope i spooked others wow i still can't get over how matter of fact i was like oh and then someone across the way bought a house her name's phoebe the end there was like a pause and i was like well you did that with the chair room at first so you're like there's also a chair room and in the downstairs i was like wait hold on can you

tell that my notes like i it takes a second for me to register even what i fucking wrote we get so wrapped up in like telling it that sometimes your words kind of don't. Well, because also when I'm like writing the notes, I'm not thinking about how I'm going to say them later. So then when I'm saying them, I'm like, oh, now I have to re- I have to edit them on the spot. Yeah, your thought process. You'd think after like almost 200 episodes, we'd be better at this. You'd think, but. You'd think wrong.

I'm going to take a little slurpy slurp of my starbies okay so hello everyone my story today is also ohio adjacent interesting it's mostly kentucky well it's a mix we'll see um so this is the story of donald harvey the angel of death angel of death wow yikes um so this is so i want to first list my sources real quick i I listened to an episode about him on True Crime All the Time podcast. I got articles from ThoughtCo, All That's Interesting, The New York Times and People.com. Those were my main sources and use some Wikipedia-ing, obviously. So let's crack into it. Okay. Let's crack a whack it. No? Okay. I like it. Also, can we mention the thing that I invented now beyond bananas? Oh, yes, please.

Oh, we love this. Okay. You know how we always say bananas? Well, Em took it a step further. Well, so I don't remember. I don't know why this happened. It just felt right. And so.

We were all in the car in Texas after a show. Yeah. And then someone, I think Eva was talking about something. And instead of me going, well, she sounds bananas. I went, I wasn't thinking. And I just went, she sounds noodles. And just kept staring at their phone. And we were like, what did you just say?

I wasn't thinking. I just decided to say noodles that time. Eva lost her GD mind. Like she went kind of noodles. I have never heard her laugh this hard at anything i felt so good my ego was like an all-time high i was like wow i've never heard eva laugh like that and she was laughing so hard that i got distracted from laughing myself and so it was like funny to watch eva laugh i don't know but uh anyway now i'm i'm switching it up every now

and then i'm gonna take out the bananas and say And then later that night, I had a bad experience with a Postmates driver. And Em said, he's the mayor of Noodle Town. He is. He's the fucking mayor. Oh, and then you weren't here. I forgot to tell you the new thing. Oh, God. Okay.

So Eva and I flew back earlier than Christine. So it was just me and Eva getting onto the plane. And we were talking about how things were noodles and how there was like a mayor of Noodle Town. And then I realized, like, wait a minute doesn't your like weird game don't they like propose with spaghetti and shit and so i was like isn't your isn't your spaghetti friend like the governor of noodle town so i don't know if i'm saying any of it right i don't know what you're totally talking about i think you're talking about stardew valley that guy. But don't they like spaghetti on their head? No, that's Eva does that. Eva did that.

Oh. Eva walked around with spaghetti on her head and handed it to Sebastian. So Eva's the governor of Noodle Town. Eva's, we always knew it. Eva's the governor of Noodle Town. I had a hunch. Well, there was a part where I accidentally murdered the governor in the game. You did?

Well, I don't want to go there. It was really bad. What did you hold up? Well, so here's the thing is like there was a stew and they said put something in the stew and so i was like oops i forgot to bring my ingredients but like who else will know so i put in some tree sap it was the only thing i had with me and then it was like he like almost he like died and then everyone was like who did this and i was like please they don't know it's me and he's like it's a video game of course they know

it's you like you're the one that caused this i literally this is this sounds like such an acid trip i feel like this is how my parents here heard me when i was a teenager with like all my like slang jargon you're like well they asked me to bring stuff for stew but then i brought sap and then like the governor died and yeah and they're like what the fuck I was like, Blaze, I can't tell anyone. And he's like, Christine, it's like it. Things only happen because you do them. It's a video game. The best part is you can tell me and I'll never tell a soul except for this podcast.

Oh, I've told literally everyone. I don't know what you're talking about. And then next year I had to Google what to give the governor because I couldn't seem to make him happy. Well, you did poison him. You have to give him a gold carrot. So if you're wondering. Oh, but not spaghetti. I'm really hung up on the spaghetti thing. Yeah. well you did you have to give him a gold carrot so if you're wondering oh but not spaghetti i'm

really hung up on the spaghetti thing yeah the spaghetti uh that's eva because at first she didn't realize how like when you carry an item you hold it above your head but she didn't like know that so she just kept walking around with spaghetti and she just didn't know how to get rid of it sounds like the way i want like some one day when i own a castle and i i expect a banquet every night i hope all the servers just hold the most exquisite foods over their head and then just bestow them to me. Yeah. And then if you walk up to somebody while you're holding an item, you give it to them. And she didn't know that. And she had just bought the spaghetti for herself. And so she walked up to someone to talk to them and handed him the spaghetti. And he was like, I don't like this.

And she's like, that's my damn spaghetti. I bought it for myself. Anyway. I'll never get it, but I love it anyway. I keep trying to explain it, which is just so stupid. Anyway, it sounds noodles. Anyway, it is noodles and it is Stardew Valley. And apparently Animal Crossing is coming out soon. So I'm going to be on that game. So just get ready. I don't even know what you're talking about.

I know. Okay, let's see. Let's get back into this. So Donald Harvey. Why did we talk about any of that? I don don't know i don't know where that came from something about bananas i guess so anyway um so donald harvey born april 15th 1952 in butler county ohio pretty close to where i'm from his parents moved to booneville kentucky when he was pretty young and uh wow shocker he didn't have a great

childhood oh kelseprise kelseprise that's em's other thing that i love by the way i we were watching degrassi the other day as we do and allison was like hmm out of all these characters which one would i be which one would you be and then she told me that i would be like there's this one girl page who everyone kind of knows in the early seasons as like being the kind of like the Queen Bee, Regina George, like bossy, you know, the one that no one really likes because she's like the Queen Bee, the Queen Bee, very high maintenance and all that. And also was like, oh, you would be Paige for sure. And I was like, I would. How on earth am I, Paige? And then out of fucking Paige's mouth, three minutes later in Degrassi, she fucking goes, Kel, surprise.

There you go. There you go. I was actually like, yeah, surprise. There you go. There you go. I was actually like, yeah, I fully agree with Allison, to be honest. I do love a good dose of drama. Emma is a fucking queen bee, I tell you what. Just a queen. Right. Okay, let's go.

I'm just your fucking jester holding up your noodles above my head. That's exactly my fantasy. Actually, you're really like the emperor, and I'm just wandering around. Emperor. The emperor trying to, in the empire, and I'm just fucking the jester i'll take it i love it moving on quickly sorry okay love my so he did not have a good childhood kel surprise and says and page and page uh his mother basically said oh his his childhood was filled with love and happiness but um it wasn't it was later revealed that harvey suffered through quite a bit of abuse at the hands of

adults in his life most notably his uncle and his male adult neighbor uh he also suffered a head injury as a child interesting and as we know studies have shown that uh many mass murders and serial killers have something in common they have suffered a head injury as a child and the theory is that brain injuries are linked to um acquired sociopathy so all this to say harvey had a troubled start and it's not looking good not looking hot from day one um especially because another uh common trait among murderers is abuse during childhood as well sure so uh fast forward to 1970 harvey at this point is 18 and living in cincinnati who day okay in sin sin sinville anyone call it that the sinner's town sin city since is that what they call it no that's las vegas okay oh right i

didn't know that okay uh his we let's it's no can we start calling it cincinnati with an s because it sounds more appropriate for you cincinnati oh yeah sure they do call it zin with a z because it's um a german town like it's a german of course it's a german of course that's where your parents went when they came i just assumed you knew that i mean it's called porkopolis because that's like where they manufacture all the pork what you didn't know this literally not at all it's called over the rhine like it's like the rhine oh i know over the rhine is it downtown here because of the rhine river in germany anyway whatever yes wow a lot of things are clicking oh a lot of things i thought you hurt yourself no just my brain i hurt your brain sorry yeah no

it's a very very very german town what a. What a shocker to everyone. Yes. Let's see. Let's see. Head injuries. Wasn't looking hot for Harvey. Thank you. 18 years old, living in Sin City. Whatever.

Sinning, Cincinnati. Sinning in Cincinnati. Yes. There we go. His grandfather was sick and staying at Marymount Hospital in London, Kentucky, so he decided to go stay at the hospital to help care for his grandfather. Over time, he became a familiar face around the hospital there were nuns and nurses who worked there and they grew pretty used to him being around in fact they grew so accustomed to his presence that they offered him a job there as an orderly uh he accepted this job

he was only 18 remember and he was placed in a position where not only was he just supervising patients on his own he was also now dispensing medication and inserting catheters, despite being 18 and having, like, zero medical training. I mean, it sounds horrible. Yeah, I mean, yeah. So let's just say the power went straight to his head. Only two months into the job, he snapped. One of his patients was a stroke victim named Logan Evans, who grew angry with him and ended up rubbing feces on his face. And in return, Harvey lost control, grabbed a pillow and smothered him to death.

Oh, my God. He's, again, only 18 at this point. Then he cleaned himself up and announced Mr. Evans death to the rest of the staff. And let's just say at this point, things went downhill. Over the next 10 months, Donald Harvey killed 15 more patients. Holy crap. And typically by smothering them or hooking them up to faulty oxygen tanks. Okay, well, great.

But because most of Harvey's victims were either older or in such poor health, no one suspected him because he kind of played it off as they were older and sick and died of natural causes or their illnesses. Plus plus he was so mild-mannered and calm like i mean literally the day he showed up they were like hey you want to put in catheters 18 year old that has never done any medical all of the jobs to give someone who has no background in it you give them inserting catheters truly can you imagine if you found out that like your medical provider was this 18 year old kid who was just there because his grandpa was sick can you imagine if you found out they were about to put a catheter in you and the person who's gonna do it is someone who's never

done it before like a teenager who's never even oh my god who also isn't really passionate about this job who literally just wants to murder people um anyway yes exactly so no one suspected him because he was so mild-mannered um so mild-mannered like i said they even just let him do whatever the hell he wanted and he had his own patients um so outside of work his life was not much better he was super depressed he often contemplated suicide he had actually two relationships at this point he had met a man named um james peluso and they were on and off lovers for 15 years. And side note, he later killed him when he was too ill to take care of himself.

So that's a fun, fun fact for you. Oh, fun indeed. But perhaps more notable, Harvey was also involved with a man named Vernon Midden, who was a married man with children who worked as, get this, an undertaker. Interesting. I see where weaker. Hmm. Interesting. I see where we're going here. Interesting. So unsurprisingly, Harvey spent a lot of time with Vernon.

He had a lot of questions about the human body and how it reacts to different forms of trauma. He also later admitted that when their relationship went south, he entertained fantasies of embalming Vernon while he was still alive. Oh, my God. Ugh. Fuck. This is so sickening it makes my body hurt

um vernon did more than teach him about embalming though he also taught him uh all about our favorite subject the occult yay yay so here's a quote from the article on uh thought co in june 1977 he looked into it further and decided to join this is where he met his spiritual guide duncan who was at one time a doctor harvey attributes duncan to helping him decide on who would be his next victim to die thanks duncan so he's like oh i have a spirit guide he's telling me who to murder i'm like i don't think that's how this works bud i don't think that's quite what a spirit guide as much as it's like an elmo demon or something it's exactly like an elmo demon actually he probably yeah that's pretty sure it's actually

i'm actually pretty positive yeah no i know you leave kermit out of this my friend a dancing spirit okay so march 31st 1971 was harvey's last day at marymount hospital after he was arrested but not for murder for for burglary. Oh, okay. Even though he had been murdering dozens of people, he was arrested for burglary. So apparently he had drunkenly attempted to burglarize an apartment and was caught. And after he was arrested, he was so wasted that he also confessed to being a murderer. Wow.

Okay. Not very careful. But an extensive investigation failed to turn up any evidence that he had killed anyone, so they thought he was lying and he only faced burglary charges. They were like, oh, you're just being funny. You silly goose. You're such a silly goose. You're noodles. You're fucking noodles, man.

Don, you're so Mayor Noodle Town. Am I kidding or what? Okay. At this point, he decides to head out of town, out of Noodle Town, I assume. Actually, he heads right straight into the middle of... He fucking dives into Noodle Town. Like downtown Noodle Town. Into the Marinara Lake.

Okay. No? Okay. No, I'm on board. Okay, cool. At this point, he decides to head out of town. He enlists in the U.S. Air Force, but after two failed suicide attempts he was sent home um with an honorable discharge for medical reasons he spent some time at the cardinal hill convalescent hospital in lexington kentucky which i looked up and it still exists um however now

it's called the cardinal hill rehabilitation hospital fun fact shout out to all our friends there um sorry to put your name out with this story um after his release in 75 he moved back to cincinnati and landed a night position in the morgue i mean seriously at the va hospital there okay it's believed that during this time he killed at least 15 patients 15 additional patients to be clear oh wow okay by this point he had started experimenting this is where the marinara river comes in more like the cyanide river okay oh shit yeah um he experimented with this is so fucked guys he experimented with cyanide arsenic rat poison and petroleum distillates you know those which he would put into foods fruit juices and pies and would also put into people's ivs oh my

god he also experimented by administering fluid tainted with hep b and hiv like he would like put hiv virus into fluids and inject them into people like what i why that's atrocious what are you doing so like goose cam injecting people with uh hepatitis b did result in hepatitis infection but shit but no hiv um and it often this is his like i guess research study often ended with illness but typically not death that doesn't mean try it i guess is my caveat on that one. Yeah. But now his murderous tendencies began to extend outside of his work, outside of the workplace. Took his work home, I guess you might say.

Sure. So he had been in several relationships at this point. He moved in with one of his lovers, whose name was Carl Howler. But when he learned that Carl was cheating on him, he began poisoning his food with arsenic as a way to keep him at the house. So like almost just like he was too sick to leave. So he couldn't cheat on him. Got it. Yeah, that makes sense.

So he did not kill him, but he kept him very ill. His next victim was one of Carl's friends who he thought was interfering too much in their relationship. So instead of poisoning her with arsenic like he did Carl, he infected her with Hep B. Fuck. And also tried to infect her with the aids virus which failed oh my god i know like he this is just so fucking crazy uh next up was his neighbor helen metzger he felt that she was a threat to his relationship with carl too i i don't know what she helen ever did to you carl but okay looked at you weird so he laced her jar of mayonnaise with arsenic oh my god when it so it was specific i know and also how do you get her jar of mayonnaise you're like can i borrow that or like you break in like just to open her fridge like you couldn't

okay yeah right like you're like somebody it feels like someone broke in the house but there's only one jar of mayonnaise that's on the counter oh it's a weird crime but so that didn't work the mayonnaise did not killed her did not kill her excuse me and uh when he realized it didn't work he baked her a pie filled with arsenic and she died shit yeah don't i get i mean i guess don't it's just so hard i'm like don't eat food from people but i'm like i always eat food from people like also you should be able to trust your neighbor if you should be able to you should exactly like it's not helen's fault she got a pie from her neighbor that's a very lovely thing that remember my neighbor just gave me a bag of lemons yeah that i'm actually thinking of making a pie with so who's i don't want to eat any of it i'll tell you that she's lovely for many reasons oh okay i guess

that's true you have have multiple. What about... No, I don't want it. You don't want any of it? Okay, fine. Not a lemon square? Those are my favorite. No, I'm not a lemon pastry fan. I love lemon squares.

Okay. So, he baked her a pie filled with arsenic. She unfortunately died. On April 25th, 1983, following an with carl's parents harvey stopped poisoning their food with arsenic and four days after the initial poisoning okay you're okay i'm trying to i'm trying to wrap my brain around this arsenic pie april 25th 1983 following an argument with carl's parents his sick boyfriend harvey started poison oh i said stopped poisoning that's what i was got it got it started poisoning that is true that is a tricky uh game changer there started or stopped killing

yeah but like people that he apparently wasn't killing so okay he started poisoning his in-laws basically so got it carl was sick at home yeah he had an argument with carl's parents and then he started poisoning their food too which i'm, how does he have access to all their food? I don't know. How does he have this much access to arsenic? He works at a fucking, oh, I don't know. Do they have arsenic at the hospital? I don't, I guess.

I mean, it's the 70s. I feel like you could probably just find arsenic somewhere. I guess so. So he started poisoning his in-laws basically with arsenic as well. And then four days after the initial poisoning carl's father henry howler was dead after suffering a stroke on the night that he died harvey visited him at the hospital to check on him okay like he had put him there oh yeah yeah like he had poisoned his father-in-law and then when he was in the hospital to go check on him he went to go check

on him and he brought him some pudding okay and it was tainted with arsenic and it killed him so arsenic is his favorite weapon so far yeah since the aids virus didn't work uh arsenic is becoming his favorite tool his attempts to kill carl's mother continued but she survived every single attempt what a badass i know um in january 1984 carl uh asked harvey to please move out of his apartment so harvey was pissed uh he was he felt rejected obviously he was angry he tried several times he's like i've been keeping carl sick this whole time now i'm gonna just try to kill him oh right because if he moves out then all of a sudden he's not gonna be able to get sick anymore right and so he failed uh and it's like he basically

poisoned everyone in like carl's circle like anyone that he felt was right he probably had some mentality of like i've done all of this for you and now you want me gone right and so he literally killed like anyone he thought was in the way of their relationship right and so now he wants to end the relationship well also poor harvey he's probably wondering like why is everyone dropping like flies well not harvey carl carl carl yeah he's probably like why am i murdering everything no carl's the the boyfriend yeah harvey's the angel of death right um yeah so he tried to poison carl many times before he moved out and failed so he was not able to do it but despite this like murderous rampage he was somehow

excelling at his job in march of 1985 he was promoted to morgue supervisor every little boy's dream but a few months later security guards found a gun in his gym bag and he was forced to resign unfortunately the incident was never documented documented in any of his employment records so he had a fully clean record and was so he's able to get a job anywhere else immediately exactly so he went straight to cincinnati drake memorial hospital and got a job there uh in his own sick way he quote unquote thrived uh because he had control of live patients again remember he was like at a morgue yeah and so he was killing people at his home and now he's like back at a hospital where his control of but at some point like doesn't everyone see like oh every person we put him in charge of dies like maybe he shouldn't be in

charge of people anymore yeah you'd think so okay maybe great maybe you'd think so but apparently not not me um so from april 1986 to march 1987 so a little under a year, Donald Harvey killed 26 patients. Okay. That's terrible. In like 11 months. 26? Yes. He described them as mercy killings, saying he hated to see sick people suffer and they were now better off because of him.

But the spree had to end somewhere and it ended with 44-year-old John Powell, Donald Harvey's last known victim. Powell had been in a motorcycle accident, and in Ohio, so if you die in a motorcycle, a motor vehicle accident, sorry, any motor vehicle accident in Ohio, it requires an autopsy by law. Okay. And so the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy happened to catch a whiff of something strange. The smell of decay? A strange almond smell. Oh, cyanide. Which we all know is what cyanide smells like.

So the forensic pathologist, according to the research report, knew that foul play was a foot. LOL, that's literally the exact line. A foot. Also, I mean, I've probably said this before but fun fact only 60 percent of people are able to detect the smell of cyanide so it's actually very fortunate that he was able to detect it yeah yeah so cincinnati police immediately conducted an investigation uh employees were given the option so so they were like somebody at this hospital basically injected him with cyanide yes so since i please went to the hospital to the employees, you are able to voluntarily

take a lie detector test. But of course, Harvey called in sick on the day he was scheduled for this lie detector test. He soon became the lead suspect in Powell's murder, especially after investigators learned he had a really super fun nickname at work, Angel of Death. OK, well, because they all know that knew that everyone was dying and under his just hilarious isn't it yeah yeah it's so funny so cute um it was truly the nickname angel of death was given to him by his co-workers because it was such a funny

coincidence that he always happened to be around when patients died like what do you say that but then stop if that's a superstition we're all aware of, then like, why are people saying like, okay, so your doctor is going to be Dr. Harvey. Like, ha ha ha. But don't worry. Everyone he watches dies. Ha ha ha. Have fun.

Yeah. Isn't that funny? We call him the angel of death. LOL. And he's not even a doctor, by the way. He literally started doing this at age 18 with no medical training and he's still here. Okay. So they gave

him this hilariously fun nickname of angel of death because patients were always dying around him haha uh oh and by the way patient deaths had more than doubled since he began working at the hospital hell surprise more than doubled at this entire hospital because of him because and no one and everyone's still laughing everyone just thinks it's hilarious so a search of harvey's apartment turned up enough incriminating evidence to arrest him for aggravated first-degree murder. He confessed almost immediately, explaining that he had killed Powell because he felt sorry for him and his family. But Powell was not even that. Like, he had been hurt in the accident, but it wasn't like he was on life support or anything. Gotcha.

Like, he murdered him. Yes. He was not better off for anybody right so when he was brought to trial authorities had enough evidence to convict him for the murders of 37 people holy shit how how clearly they knew however he later admitted that the number was closer to 70 he explained quote i felt what i was doing was right i was putting people out of their misery i know it's like really stomach churning i hope if i'm ever sick and full of tubes or on a respirator someone will come and end it so just like putting your opinions on someone else's life yeah when they're not even that sick like a lot of these people weren't even ill he was and also yeah they could have had like a broken arm yeah and also he was experimenting it wasn't like

oh the quickest painless death yeah he was like let's see if i put aids in you let me think about embalming you alive right oh and also people like the neighbor who he just decided he was mad at like that's not that's not angel of death that's not like saying oh they're better off right you're maybe better off. He also said the killings gave him a sense of satisfaction and almost happiness. Oh, almost happiness. So he's not even fucking fulfilled. He's still not even.

Yeah, right. The murders gave him a sense of power and control that he felt he couldn't find anywhere else in life. God, what a sicko. So at this point, Harvey knew his only chance to avoid the death penalty was to accept a plea bargain. He agreed. So he didn't want to die. That's interesting. I bargain. He agreed. So he didn't want to die. That's interesting. I know.

I'm sure everyone else didn't want to either. They were like, we're going to inject you with. It's it's pretty quick. We're going to inject you. And he's like, oh, no, no, no, no. Right. I have bad veins. Sorry.

It's like I actually don't want to. I don't consent. The others didn't either. I don't consent. Right. Fuck. What a dick. He agreed to a full confession in

exchange for life in prison he was sentenced to four consecutive 20-year sentences and a few months later he confessed he confessed to 15 more murders and was then sentenced to eight life terms plus 20 years uh he was incarcerated at the toledo correctional institution and on march 28th 2017 he was found lying in his cell having been beaten severely by another inmate he died two years later and uh all in all donald harvey he has passed but he confessed to 87 murders not all of the claims could be fully verified um the 37 war so there's there's that giant number um but if his counts are true and accurate, that makes Donald Harvey one of the most prolific

serial killers in US history. Holy shit. And that is the story of Donald Harvey, the angel of death. Yikes. Um, yikes. What for real? That's fucking noodles. Ooh, it's so noodles. Honestly. It's just sad.

Yeah. And it's, you know, it's scary. I honestly it's just it's just sad yeah and it's you know it's scary i think it's really scary too that like you know if you're ill or whatever you you put yourself your life your health your life the hands of others of somebody who's dedicated to like bettering you and like do no harm you know i mean that's like the first rule and then this person is literally like well let's see what happens if i put this in your catheter or this in your, and there were others. I mean, it makes you scared because at some point, statistically, most of us will end up in a hospital at some point for something, regardless of how small or big, but like, then it makes you wonder like, who am I allowing around me to make me better? Yeah.

Because someone might be there to do the exact opposite. Yeah. That being said, go see your doctor if you're ill. I'm not saying don't seek medical help. I'm just saying it's scary that people like this take advantage and it's scary. I mean, even my last week story of like people on Tinder, I'm not saying don't trust people that you want to hook up with or meet or date. I'm just saying it's only a fraction of a percentage likely, but also that one percentage, like you never know who it's going to to yeah it's just really really scary so be be safe out there folks yeah so that's that i guess thank you for coming to apparently an ohio show i know um i don't know what that means is that an omen who's to say i mean there were no walters this time around that's

true however carl showed up again, so. Guys, I'm getting nervous about Walters. They are showing up left and right. Crazy Carl. So, I guess that's it. Happy February. I know. Happy Valentine's Day.

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