And That's Why We Drink - E167 The 69th Chakra and a Paranormal Insurance Family Plan Bundle

Episode Date: April 12, 2020

Would the Teletubbies advise that? If so, maybe don't do it. Those are the words we live by now. We've got a super mystic episode for you today because we accidentally coordinated alien cult stories! Em covers the history of the paranormal hot spot Mount Shasta in California. Then Christine takes on the infamous Heaven's Gate cult! Unrelatedly, can someone please help us bundle a paranormal insurance family plan? And that's why we drink!Please consider supporting the companies that support us! Get a special Stamps.com offer that includes a 4-week trial PLUS free postage AND a digital scale! Just go to Stamps.com, click on the Microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in DRINK To learn more about Hello Fresh, go to HelloFresh.comGet 30% off your first ThredUP order when you go to thredUP.com/DRINKDownload the Quibi app now to enjoy a free 90-day trial!

hello fresh oh my gosh em i found you finally i've been seeking the interwebs everywhere i've been i've been hiding out but you got me you caught me folks i realized uh last time i did a dumb dumb thing and everyone got real upset with Eva for the editing. And what really happened is that I recorded apparently from the microphone in my laptop rather than the super fancy, nice microphone directly in front of my face. So I apologize if my audio was off. That's my bad. And hopefully this is a little better. Just an audio no is what I call that. An audio no is exactly what we like to call it.

And it's what I did. So hopefully this is better. I also, I know everyone's really like pissed about our new whale sounds. We're not. We're not at all. I thought that was super funny. And I love how a lot of people think we're not we're not at all I thought that was super funny and I love how a lot of people think we're really dumb and they were like how do you not hear that guys you need to listen like there's

these weird sounds and I'm like I don't hear anything oh people still people still on like my Instagram lives have been like did you know that there's sounds on I'm like yeah I kind of knew we kind of did it. Yeah, so what happened was we recorded and we were not joking. Like we really didn't remember that it was April Fool's Day. And then right the day before we released the episode, Eva was like, remember that time we talked about putting fake EVPs in the background of next year's April Fool's episode? So Emma and I just recorded them on our phone and sent them over. I was really proud of mine, but apparently nobody's been able to figure out what they say.

I don't know what yours said. So I didn't. Here's the thing. Even I didn't know what mine said because I was frantic. I found out that we were going to be recording little EVPs. And I was like, God damn it. What can I say that's funny? And so I did all of mine.

little EVPs. And I was like, God damn it. Like, what can I say? That's funny. And so I did all of mine, all of my spirits were in the, where I was portraying the character of Megan in the afterlife. And all of mine were saying like, it's just funny. And she smells like a dead fucking body. And then at one point I did throw in a, like a that's bananas. Okay. People heard that one. People heard, I think the bananas ones, the only one people heard, I did throw in a like, that's bananas. Okay. People heard that one. People heard, I think the bananas one's the only one people heard. I did a lot that were directed at you, Em, and they said things like, did you, were you, I don't know if you listened to it, but. I heard, I think, I think if I heard it correctly, it's Lemon's World and we're just living in

it. Yeah, that's my favorite one. And I challenge you, if you have not heard it, to go back and try and decode some of them because they're special, super special messages that I off the top of my head don't actually remember. But they're really, really important that everyone figures out what they say. a genius idea in those five minutes where i was like if i were to see christine before the episode comes out i would hide something in her house so that way she could like like she wouldn't know what i was gonna say and she would hear all these like little hints and i would like put you on a treasure hunt through the ghosts wait what like i would have said things i might like i thought you might you'd put like a recording device in my house. I was like, I think that's illegal.

Huh? No, more like a lemon or something like that. Oh, like a surprise. I get it. Yes. My little audio clips would have been like treasure hunt clues. But alas, that did not happen. Alas, we are still many moons apart. No, but one day I'll get you on another treasure hunt or an escape room or something.

Oh, God. I'm still recovering from the last one me too anyway how are you doing em uh how am i doing i'm good my sleep schedule is wildly fucked up but oh no other than that my like sanity feels about the same that's good i think yeah uh hmm my ukulele playing is good not great okay um i have found a couple pokemon cards i'm into i've been doing more ancestry stuff i've been getting back into learning about greek mythology which is really super cool nice um i'm watching desperate housewives having a good time what are are you doing? That sounds pretty fun. I'm doing well, thank you for asking. I've been attempting to make more stuff because my brain is just really full and I need places to put it. So I put it in front of everyone's ears and eyes.

So I did a little Instagram poll yesterday to see what people thought I should put on my new YouTube channel. You know, the X files is what it's called. I came someone came up with a lovely name for me and made some art for somebody else made some art. It's really I'm really excited about it. So in addition to my cautionary tales, I'm going to start just talking about either conspiracy theories or reading creepy people's like creepy stories, or I don't know, just, just throwing some stuff out there. Actually, I was thinking of doing a, you know, a get ready with me, but for my 2007 homecoming edition, where I talk where I do my makeup as if I were going to, you know, a dance in 2007, when I was going through my scene slash

emo phase. So we'll see what happens. But I'm just kind of going absolutely mad over here. So that's pretty much where I stand right now. I think the more ridiculous the better. I'm Thank you. I think I think you'll the homecoming one will definitely I don't know. Hmm. Hmm. I used to like this is awful i used to like instead of buying eyeliner like a normal person i used to take mascara and just smear it along the bottom of my eye to make it was really bad are you i know so this is why it's going to be a very interesting experience um but anyway so thank you to everyone who's been super supportive of that i've just been working a lot on that and um I tried to do a puzzle and then

my cat launched every single individual piece off so that Gio could eat them. So that didn't go very well. But otherwise, I'm doing great. And I am so dearly missing my best friend. That's me. Yeah, I tried FaceTiming you last night because I was bored and then you didn't respond. I felt bad. I felt bad. I woke up to feed the dog at 530 this morning and saw you had called and I was like, oh, I'll FaceTime you back. No, it is 530 in the morning. That's a terrible idea.

I will not be waking up for that. But yeah, but other than that, we're doing okay. I know this week is supposed to be the worst week coming up. I read that. Yeah. So I'm, you know, thinking about everyone, hopefully everyone, hopefully, hopefully everyone's parents are listening, by the way, and like, like listening to you and like, staying inside because I know there's a lot.

I was like, Em, why are you hoping parents are listening to this? We never we never hope that parents get to hear all the terrible crap that comes out of our mouths. But okay. You know, but there are apparently a lot of uh we're we're in a weird space now where all of the kids are having to parent their parents and make them stay indoors it's true i've seen it's true so i i hope everyone's doing a good job wrangling their parents and keeping them locked away locked away all right well interesting choice of words on a true crime show um but yeah, no, I hope you guys are all okay. We're thinking of you and hoping, you know, we can distract you with our the weird shit

we're putting out on the airwaves. Yes, I have a story that is actually going to be a two parter. So hopefully, oh, wait, I forgot to say the patron of the week. I'm sorry. No, no, I forgot to let you is the thing. I just always forget. I get distracted. Am I the patron of the week. I'm sorry. No, no, I forgot to, I'll let you is the thing. I just always forget. I get distracted. Am I the,

am I the patron of the week? Yay. No, because I've, I have your patron donation come in and, but the day it does, I'll tell you, you'll be my patron of the week.

Okay. Good. The patron of the week this week is Charissa Davis. Is that how you pronounce that? Charissa? Charissa. Charissa makes more sense maybe. I don't know. Charissa. Charissa. It's C-H-A-R like Charizard. Listen, don't you say things like that. Don't you work your way into my heart that way, Christine. Not again. Not here. Not now. Well, I like to call themd so uh cd thank you for your lovely donation it means a lot to us that you've been supporting us for so very long um oh and i forgot this is totally

separate and this is just another me going back to myself again and i apologize but i forgot that i created a custom url for my youtube channel and it's youtube.com slash x teen files so hooray for that and if you have stories you can email them to my cool new gmail which is the x teen files at gmail.com and people are already sending me cool stuff it's super fun oh nice um anyway so that's the end of me um you know talking about myself for now for these for this very moment but i'm sure we'll be back to it soon awesome all right well i think that's it on my end. All right. Cool.

Bye. Okay. Well, it's been real. So my story is a two-parter, like I said. The second part is probably going to be a little lengthier. So next week will be a little lengthier. This one, just based on how it got broken up but um this is a location uh this is one i actually just found by like perusing random websites and like it just

kind of i was like oh i've never heard of this and now i don't know why i haven't heard of it so um this is the mystical mount shasta oh what what is that so mount shasta is apparently in northern california oh it's a mountain it's in siskiyou county okay and it's a dormant volcano isn't shasta like a soda yes shasta cola okay i don't know if that has anything to do with it got it okay just curious i don't either but it would be fun to like take a picnic on mount shasta drinking shasta you know i think that's something stupid that we would waste a lot of time and energy doing and be very proud of yes slash will do slash we will be doing yes uh so uh mount shasta is a dormant volcano it's one of the highest mountains i think it's the fifth highest mountain in california um it is it has seven glaciers it's one of the

largest peaks in north america and it's almost 15 000 feet tall oh my um it is uh let's see oh geologists say that if it were to erupt again because apparently it there's a chance that it will erupt again and if it were to it is so massive and the eruption would be so bad that it would be a worse volcanic eruption than mount saint helens uh-oh oops so it's not good it is um recognized as a native american cultural and cosmological property. Oh, wow. On the National Register of Historic Places. And the artifacts that have been found there suggest that at least 11,000 years of human habitation have been there.

Oh, my God. And, like, that's a conservative number. Some numbers say it goes all the way back to, like, 5,000 BC. Holy shit. And so, well, I don't think that's actually farther away. I think 11,000 is a bigger number. So I'm not going to question your math. Listen, humans have been there for a long goddamn time. Or at least creatures have been there for a long time, which I will get into so uh that actually makes it one of the longest occupied areas on the continent and the mountain is sacred to a lot of nearby indigenous tribes

i think there's about six of them uh there one is the wintu tribe the atsuwegi tribe the achamawi tribe the klamath klamath tribe and the shasta tribe and the modok tribe so there's a lot of nearby tribes i think that all their territories kind of criss cross on this mountain um and so they all still have their own personal ceremonies and rituals that they perform there and a lot of them believe that mount shasta is actually the center of the universe and is the home of our creator oh um so there's a creature not creature there's a spirit named skell like skull but with an e and who apparently in a lot of these tribes i don't know if this is all of those tribes beliefs or some of them but amongst those tribes there is a spirit named skel who is the spirit of the above world or the heavens and uh skel came down to earth one day and uh created mount shasta as

like a stepping stone to get down from heaven so like oh like a step ladder like a step ladder and uh and once skel got here um skell made the entire world like made the trees made the animals made the made the the rivers while skell was down here uh skell ended up having a fight with a spirit named i think liao uh who is the spirit of the below world so they like the spirits above and below came to earth to have this big fight and uh so the spirit of the below world lived on mount mazama so i guess the the spirit on mount shasta and the spirit on mount mazama or mazama were fighting and they were throwing hot rocks and lava at each other and that kind kind of represents the volcanic eruptions that have happened on both mountains. They say that those eruptions came from these spirits fighting with each other.

And the eruption on Mount Mazama, I'm saying Mazama, that might be wrong. But so the eruption that happened on the mountain that the spirit of the underworld came from, that eruption created Crater Lake. Oh, okay. Got it. So I bring this all up to say that a lot of these tribes think of Crater Lake and Mount Shasta, which I'm talking about, think of them as like kind of polar opposites where Mount Shasta is seen as like this hub of like blessings and life force and the beginning of creation. And a lot of them think that Crater Lake is actually like

a hub for evil. And that being said, I did look up Crater Lake and I'll have to do a story in the future because there's apparently a lot of dark paranormal activity that happens there. So it kind of validates what a lot of these tribes have said about Crater Lake being potentially evil. Oh, my. So I bring that all up to say that Mount Shasta is, because it's the home of the creator, according to this lore, is that it's one of the seven most sacred mountains in the world. Mount Fuji is its sister sacred mountain. Fun fact. Fun fact.

And it's one of the seven most sacred. it has a focal point for energy vortexes and the reason it's one of the seven most sacred mountains is because like the seven chakras of the body apparently the earth also has seven chakras which i did not know about i didn't either so apparently these seven chakras of earth are all different locations on earth that are like the most energy powerful spaces that you can go to. So the most important chakra, if you're looking at a list of all of them, the first chakra apparently is called the root chakra, which is arguably the most important because it's the first one that like grounds you and where you are and uh creates like balance and strength and safety and all that so if you if the root chakra is off kilter then like allegedly the rest of you is all fucked up so i'm thinking my my root chakra is probably like broken and somewhere else you probably lost it in my house i never even had it so um So fun fact, Mount Shasta, out of Earth's seven chakras, Mount Shasta is the root chakra. So it's in theory the most important of these seven locations. So the root chakra in a human is at the base of the spine, again, because it grounds us and balances us.

Right. And so that means that since it's the root chakra of earth it is the base of earth's energy it regulates universal life it keeps balance amongst good and evil and um it makes sense since it's the base because some tribes say that it is like the center of the universe so everything would have come from this to begin with okay so fun fact in case people are wondering what the other roots are the first one like i said is mount shasta the second one which in a human is the belly button below the belly button uh on earth that is lake titicaca in south america oh um the third one which is usually above the

belly button or like the solar plexus that is the olgas in australia the fourth one which is uh the heart and a human is glastonbury and shaftsbury in england which one's burbank that's that's the 69th one um jk jk sorry my brain just went to like what's a funny number um truly i almost said 420 but then i was like this is too much this is too much you told all the adults you told all the parents to listen to this so uh listen up guys come to burbank the 69th chakra of earth um so the the fifth chakra in a human is the throat but on earth it's the great pyramid aka your favorite probably so i'm sure you would love to go visit love it the throat chakra of earth um i would and then the sixth one is like the your

third eye or like the base of your nose right um and that is kai malek sai and iran okay wait not the base right not like above your nose right like between your eyes like i i think it's like kind of like between your eyes like kind of above your eyebrows that's what i always thought yeah and then the final and seventh one is uh on a human it's the top of your head but on earth it is mount kailash and tibet wow i had no idea about this if you wanted to go to any of those seven, they are, in theory, based on, I guess, like chakra knowledge, like chakra studies. These are the seven most powerful places on Earth because that's where all the energy vortexes align. That's so cool. Which I would argue, it's an interesting question that if those seven places are like doing the best or like functioning the best like economically and all that stuff i

wonder if like the rest of the world would kind of align too it'd be interesting to think like oh if they're the seven chakras if those spaces are oh i see what you're saying yeah i yeah i don't know it would be an interesting we'll never know but it's a thought well we can do that after we go drink shasta at shasta mountain we can amount shasta we can just go a line yeah we can do that after we go drink Shasta at Shasta Mountain. We can, at Mount Shasta. We can just go a line. Yeah, we can. Go a line seven of the best landmarks. Yeah, we'll fix the economy at all those seven landmarks.

I don't think it'll be that hard. But first, the Great Pyramid. The throat chakra, of course. The best. So many say that Mount Shasta, I've said this before, but just to recap, it's full of vortexes and portals and is known to assist people in spiritual transcendence. And what's interesting about this is usually when I talk about places that have some sort of energy condensed in that space, it talks about like mindful or consciousness transcendence. But with Mount Shasta, not only is it like a spiritual place, but it's also known for potential

interdimensional travel. Okay, now I'm very interested. So hence the energy vortexes, there's also a lot of, in theory, interdimensional portals that will take you to different locations or to different realms. So it'll be it'll be easy for us to get to all of them. Yeah, different realm oh so it'll be it'll be easy for us to get to all of them yeah you don't even you just hop hop hop got it uh so through all this obviously it's also known as a paranormal hot spot um just because a lot of people go there to meditate a lot of people who are super open minded and believers in the supernatural come here um in 1971 it even became a buddhist monastery there's one called shasta abbey on the mountain, or at least nearby the mountain. And in 1987, there was an event there called the Harmonic Convergence.

And it actually put Mount Shasta on the map as one of the modern New Age destinations because apparently it already had its spiritual reputation. But after that event, so many people came that it was for a little bit at the end of the 80s considered a new age Mecca. And it still kind of holds that reputation in some places that it is, I guess, the harmonic convergence that one big event itself was deemed by some reporters as the spiritual Woodstock. Oh, that's fun.

So a lot of people come here specifically for mindfulness or you know whatever reason they're there but that also means that there are a lot of fringe religious groups who like to gather there aka cults um oh so there's a a lot of people there who maybe um i don't agree with entirely i don't know what the pc way of saying that is but a lot of them think that i mean i think i don't agree with is a pretty pretty uh careful way to say thank you yeah i'm trying to be careful uh for all i know someone lives near mount shasta and like knows people in these groups so so a lot of people seem to think that maybe they can ascend towards enlightenment um and like think they can like travel through different dimensions and

portals and they are a superior race if you catch my drift um oh my yeah so we're gonna get into it so some uh actually now capitalize on the spiritual nature of Mount Shasta, obviously. The second that white people heard about it, I'm sure that's just when it became a massive tourist destination. They now run vortex tours and there's a lot of retreats there. Although I have looked online and a lot of those retreats are apparently like a lot of bunk. Apparently you'll pay like hundreds of dollars. Very expensive. Super expensive because you're told like,

we're going to go on this tour where you're going to see another portal. And then it's literally like a meditation class. Oh, geez. And like, it's, it again, kind of is part of the definition of a fringe belief where like, if you pay all this money and they put you in this meditation class and you don't see the portal it's because you didn't care enough or you weren't passionate enough so okay that's like the ideal way yeah yeah that's just like a cop-out like the ultimate cop-out oh you're just not good enough at it exactly you don't care enough exactly so um

let me think let me see uh so again i don, I don't think I have to say this, but I'm sure all of these like weird tours and meditation transcendence retreats are against the indigenous people's wishes. Um, some tribes actually believe that Mount Shasta is thought to be too powerful for ordinary people to visit and very powerful spirits live there. And so if you go there unprepared for that, um, especially as like just a random tourist then you might get yourself into some trouble um with people or creatures that live up there that you shouldn't know about or interact with and sure enough by the way mount shasta was described once at na and someone's like review like back in the early 1900s as a religious indigenous icon and quickly

became one of california's must sort must see tourist destinations so um leave it to shitty white people so uh we're sorry so since the uh 1900s a lot of people have gone there um whether they're practitioners and like maybe they believe in some sort of a cult or or um wicca i, a lot of people have gone there, whether they're practitioners, and like, maybe they believe in some sort of a cult or, or Wicca. I know a lot of people from those worlds go there, and believers in the spirit and the supernatural in general go there. Approximately, I saw on one website that 26,000 visitors go a year now. Wow. And now I'm'm gonna explain why it's so powerful or why it's so interesting all the things about it so well now i feel like a dick for saying we're gonna go drink soda there i think that's the kindest most tame thing we could do there compared to the other bullshit

i won't touch anything i'll just sit and observe how about i tell you i'll tell you all of this like all the things that other people are doing. And then you'll be like, yeah, we should go and only drink soda. Like we'll be like, not, we'll be like, so we'll be bouncers. We won't let anyone else in. Yeah. We'll be, we'll throw our soda cans at them and then recycle them. I was going to say, yeah, but not litter. I promise. But not litter. No, no, no. We are probably going to be the least threatening people there. Oh, that's rare. We're usually the most threatening people anywhere we go.

At least emotionally. We definitely like to drain people. Yeah. So Mount Shoss is an extremely powerful, or it's at least claimed to have extremely powerful energy vortexes that happen to also crisscross with ley lines oh which is what which is what makes it super duper powerful with energy vortexes because it's the two of them crisscross right um the the energy here is said to quote uh revitalize the spirit enable deep meditation cause vision quests allow spiritual guidance allow interdimensional and or metaphysical travel enhance one's ability to astrally project and to channel spirits wow okay so obviously with all of us being kind of like hippy dippy and granola i understand the the intrigue of wanting to go the

appeal right um so there are reports of some people even being drawn to the mountain by some uh unexained force. And when they get there, they don't even really know why they came to begin with. Many people also believe that Mount Shasta's water has great healing properties. And there have been reports of fairies and nymphs when they have been near water, when people have been near water. People have also reported orbs, metal crafts touching down onto the mountain people have experienced dancing lights some people have said they've seen griffins like those big ass birds um and they've seen some bigfoots so we're gonna get into all of that but people have also reported um a reversal of gravity so there's something wrong with the the magnetic fields there because your car will go uphill by itself in some areas oh people believe that the energy supply there is actually not just known on earth but it's actually been heard of in other galaxies and has become the base for some extraterrestrials when they land on earth they will go there first for energy supply oh my god um people think that it's again a portal to other dimensions and it's connected

to ley lines that are as strong and similar to stonehenge so some people also believe because of all these like weird conspiracies that um there are top secret military installations that operate there and that's why it's so hush hush and you're not allowed to go there. Or like people say you can't really go there, but then people go in. And many cryptids. So some of the creatures that live up there are lizard people, which I think we talked about a couple of weeks ago about how some people

think they're like lizard or like reptilian people live under the ground and like built the cities and all that. There's also giants called Shoopchets, which apparently live in all of the tunnels that were made by lava during the last eruption. Oh, wow. Apparently there's creatures named Yaktavians who use sound waves to manipulate reality. Oh, my God. to manipulate reality oh my god and there's some and uh some indigenous tribes there also believe in a race of little people that are known to specifically guard mount shasta and they can become invisible at will okay so just they their whole job is just to guard the slopes of the

mountain and they can just either become invisible and reappear at will or they can just like vanish and teleport at will so all right interesting the cryptids there uh especially the bigfoot it's a subspecies of bigfoot um that is hyper intelligent can also turn invisible at will and is known to some tribes as the matagot matakagmi matakagmi um they're eight to ten feet tall coarse hair brown eyes smell really bad and uh there are just a couple accounts of bigfoot that i'll tell you about but there's one woman who saw a female of mata kagami give birth oh and another time which must have been terrifying to watch yeah and a uh one of them has also approached two men that were camping and he gave them a crystal the the the the the gave the men yeah he just showed up and gave the two okay what's interesting about this

subspecies of bigfoot i don't know if this is universally understood or if it's just the ones that happen to live on Mount Shasta, but a lot of the Bigfoot sightings in the Mount Shasta area happen to, I guess, make Bigfoot look like he associates with aliens. he associates with aliens so oh the bigfoots in this area um i guess in other areas usually you just see something that looks like bigfoot walking through the forest and then you never see it again or sometimes you see a footprint or sometimes you hear a sound but at mount shasta specifically people will see these big bigfoot big feet um and so i was waiting for you to to test it out to test out the big feet plural plural big foot and uh they materialize out of thin air before your eyes they have been known to fade away before your eyes they have been known to levitate oh geez they have been seen passing through solid objects and they are often known to interact with spacecraft damn so a lot of people have said that the big foots that live here like will like like walk onto ufos like it's

like a whole other level of like let's just walk walk right on um the mount shasta is also home to quote ascended masters, which is where we get into some of the fringe beliefs here. Right. So ascended masters are people who think they are or believe they are enlightened and have been like, I guess granted access to the know-how on how to transcend into the fifth dimension. Oh, sure. Yeah. So, right. Um, so they think that they are kind of a superhuman of sorts. And so

the real first time that people heard of ascended masters was in 1930. i'm going to take a little bit real quick to tell you a story about this guy named guy and uh i know and his name is guy ballard apparently some people see him as the father of the modern new age movement i'm kind of skeptical to say that because he ends up creating uh one of the first new age movements or one of the first new age organizations that doesn't really sound like something i would join but he is apparently of creating one of the first New Age movements or one of the first New Age organizations. That doesn't really sound like something I would join, but he is apparently known as one of the first people to be involved in the New Age movement. So got it.

In 1930, he went hiking on Mount Shasta and he ran into a man. He thought he was another hiker, but then he quickly realized that this man was no ordinary person. He thought he was another hiker, but then he quickly realized that this man was no ordinary person. And as he thought that, the man smiled as if he telepathically knew that that's what Guy said. And then the man said to him, telepathically again. So he's saying this stuff in his mind now. So Guy's hearing this in his head.

Right. He hears, my brother, if you hand me your cup, I will give you a much more refreshing drink than spring water drink this and it's shasta it's shasta cola and this has been a long advertisement promo code drink promo code drink uh and so uh instantly his cup was filled with a creamy liquid which i don't know how I feel about that phrase. Yuck. Guy drank it and he said that he felt an electrical vivifying effect on his mind and body. Okay. The man says to him, that which you drink comes from the universal supply, which exists everywhere about us.

It is subject to, and this is a quote by the way this is a quote from guy's actual book called unveiled mysteries and this ended up being kind of like the bible of his organization he created okay uh so this is a quote from what the man said that which you drank came directly from the universal supply which exists everywhere about us it is subject to our conscious control and direction. It is willingly obedient when we love enough because the universe obeys love. Okay. Oh,

okay. Whatsoever I desire will manifest itself when I command it in love. If I were, if I wish to use gold, gold is here. And then I guess, as he said that all of a sudden gold just appeared in this guy's hand. And so he's basically saying,

if you learn to love unconditionally, then you can manifest anything. Okay. You'd be a great PR person for this new age group. Whatever. You get it. I'm saying it as i'm rolling my eyes like uh i love steak unconditionally and it does not show up in my goddamn hand i'll tell

you that i think you're just not trying hard enough that's exactly it i didn't spend enough money so yeah i told you sign up on patreon and finally you can get all that your heart desires and you can just manifest a bunch of steak and so here's where it gets extra bananas so the guy then says watch me closely and i will reveal myself to you i guess it's like it sounds like he's gonna flash him but he means i don't love that i think he means like i will show you my real identity instead of the disguise i've put on for you and so uh as guy is watching this man soon turns into saint germain from the 1700s oh okay sure so so now we're apparently actually looking at the real saint germain uh who died in 1734 fun fact but he is just kicking right now i guess so so we're now

learning that saint germain is an immortal is is what we're hearing um so while guy is trying to process the fact that he is staring at someone who should have died like 200 years ago um guy hears a sound behind him and a massive black panther approaches him oh and obviously he's terrified but then he feels this overwhelming sense of love sweep over him and all of a sudden this ray of light made out of love shot out of his chest and shoots out at the panther so it's like projecting love onto this panther okay he no longer feels afraid and within onto this panther. Okay. He no longer feels afraid. And within seconds, the panther, apparently they both understand each other. And then the panther rolls over like a playful kitten and Guy's petting him. And they're now like best pals.

Okay, sure. Because he, I guess, experienced only love and persuaded the animal to not attack him. So St. Germain says that uh congratulations you passed the test of courage i projected this panther here and he would have never hurt you to begin with but i needed to know how you would react if you saw a panther by yourself and you were able to love it unconditionally and manifest safety for yourself. And so now because you passed that test, I will now allow you to move further into enlightenment. So now they're going to,

St. Germain's going to teach Guy more about enlightenment. Oh my God, I need a Tylenol. I wish you could see my face right now. I'm like trying to follow this. I feel like I should be writing it down. A lot of information so saint germain apparently gave guy these little cakes to eat and the cakes were actually like they must have had some sort of psychedelic in them because they were then going to

help him understand the teachings better so i don't know if they like had like adderall in them or something to help him focus. That could be actually, that's probably a good guess. Listen to do these notes. I needed Adderall. I know. Where's my little cakes of Adderall? I need a little cake. Also,

we do not condone taking drugs that are not yours. No, no, no, no, no. But so he eats these little cakes. He's all of a sudden like wired and ready to learn everything.

St. Germain has to teach him. he eats these little cakes he's all of a sudden like wired and ready to learn everything saint germain has to teach him and saint germain basically says that he has been looking high and low across america and europe specifically to uh of course not super high or super low maybe high and low but not east and west um and he says that he has been looking for someone worthy enough to pass along the information that he wants to teach about the great laws of life guy apparently proved himself worthy in that one test and now he and his wife and their son will now be honorary accredited messengers for saint germain so the wife and kid just get to ride along. Yes.

They literally did nothing and they're just on board. Sounds fun. So apparently Guy and St. Germain met many more times and Guy got to see his past lives. He claims that he was George Washington. Oh my God. And St. Germain said that he was part of a brotherhood. Okay. Apparently this brotherhood is a group of spiritually advanced beings,

AKA ascended masters. And just to give you a little more detail into what these ascended masters are, they are immortal beings who've lived many lives and no longer need to reincarnate because they have learned to master the physical realm. You know, I actually know a lot, not a lot,

but I know quite a bit about ascended masters from my Akashic records courses. Does, is what I'm saying. Does it sound accurate? Yeah. Yeah. So,

I mean, that's all I knew basically like the deaf basic definition of it, but. So I actually wanted to, so I'm going to actually ask you questions in the next episode about your Akashic records because that does come up. And it's nothing that like, no, it's nothing that like you would need to be an expert about. I just want to make sure that I do the notes correctly. Study up.

No, no, you're good. I guess that I would agree with more have said that the Ascended Masters probably actually do exist in Mount Shasta, but truly as like spiritual beings who cannot communicate with you. So this is like a lot of people think that this story is a wildly elaborate version of like this guy. I see. Maybe meeting one of his Ascended Masters. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah,

no, it totally does. Okay. Because a lot of people are like, this guy did not meet St. Germain from the 1700s multiple times, eat cakes of like psychedelics and then see a Panther. And then it became a kitten.

And now he's George Washington. Like a lot of people, a lot of people think that probably like he did not drink a creamy liquid from an ascended master. He probably did like a meditation and like saw his spirit guide or something. And that's all. I mean, I'm willing like I'm willing to believe that he ate a psychedelic and saw a quote unquote panther. That's I think that story makes some sense. You know what?

You're right. But so anyway, Saint Germain is saying that he is one of the Ascended Masters, and these Ascended Masters call themselves the Brotherhood. And they've been looking for like a human representative to pass all their information along to. So Guy ends up learning about, he ends up learning Saint Germain's plans for what Saint Germain and the Brotherhood call the Seventh Golden Age. And the Seventh Golden Age is also called the I Am Age. Okay. And this is where it starts getting fringy. So Guy, after hanging out with Saint Germain so many times, takes all of these lessons he's learned and builds an organization out of it. And it's called the I Am Activity.

And a lot of people have kind of combined it into Christian principles with mystical intuition, where if you either meditate enough, then you'll be able to like you know see things that others can't or whatever it is sure also combined with fierce nationalism uh-oh where america is spiritually superior than all the other nations yikes oh boy and so this ended up becoming the foundation for guy's spiritual movement uh called i am activity and it offered ascending master teachings um and in 1938 the movement had about three million members they used his book unveiled mysteries as their text but only like a year later the movement quickly died out because guy passed away oh okay so the movement was also apparently i only found this on one website so i don't know how true this is but apparently the

movement was allegedly charged by the u.s government for swindling followers out of like millions of dollars oh that sounds about right in a matter of a year and uh so that being said the town does still offer guy's personal writings his and like the writing that he had channeled um from these ascended masters and the art and the music that he had learned from them and apparently the writing that he had channeled um from these ascended masters and the art and the music that he had learned from them and apparently the music will is known to alter your consciousness enhance clairvoyance and astral projection okay so again i'm interested but like the whole story before all this stuff kind of makes me not want to believe in any of it. You know I have a lot of doubts. Yeah.

That being said. That's the story of Guy. And the Ascended Masters. Apparently a lot of people believe the Ascended Masters live up there. Which I would. Like as much as I'm kind of like knocking this. Because I really don't want to like. Align with a fringe activity.

Or a cult maybe. or a nationalist a nationalist um the i will agree that based on what a lot of indigenous people believe of that there are spirits that live up there i don't think it's a far stretch to think that spirits and ascended masters spiritually at least not physical forms of them right i do think a bunch of spirits live up there and if you know one group of believers deemed them ascended masters while someone else calls them something else sure i'm all for that i just i the the story it's almost like he gave too much detail and it made me doubt everything more yeah it became a little much um and potentially racist so that probably probably a little racist um so uh other than ascended masters and cryptids ufos are also regularly seen here um where people have seen dancing lights mysterious flares mysterious flashes orbs metallic crafts glowing objects

in the sky cigar and jellyfish-like airships, silver airships that are completely silent, and fleets of lights maneuvering in the sky. And they've seen all of this and all these things have been reported, quote, since long before electricity even existed. Oh, interesting. So they were like, what the hell is that in the sky? What's electricity? Apparently, there's also ufo

conferences that have been held on mount shasta the last one was actually only last year um what's interesting about these extraterrestrials is that they apparently might be a different type of extraterrestrial called an ultra terrestrial oh so uh ufologist johnel, he's a very famous UFOlogist. Mothman. Yeah. Prophecies. He helped coin ultra-terrestrials as a term. And they are intelligent extra-dimensional species. So also a little like extra-terrestrials, but they are more closely tied to the human race.

They are able to probably, comparedals ultra-terrestrials are known to manipulate portals instead of traveling through space they travel through dimensions okay um and they only manipulate portals that take them to specific places on earth which would make sense why these seven seven chakras with all these energies are also known to have all these UFO activities and paranormal activities, because they might each have a portal that all of the aliens are hopping to from place to place. Sure, hopping, yeah. Yes, I don't know, jumping, time jumping?

I like hopping. So, ultra-terrestrials specifically might be the ones that are going from portal to portal on Earth and or at least to all the locations on Earth that are known to have weird energy anomalies. So this could also explain, like I just said, this could also explain why there are certain places that are hotbeds for UFO and supernatural activity, because they might have portals, which means that aliens or ultra terrestrials are going there all the time. Okay. All right. Some say that it's not just UFOs and strobing lights that they see. Although like, so a lot of people say that they see UFOs flying into clouds and disappearing.

Some say that they see the UFOs flying straight into the mountain, which is interesting because they also said that they saw Bigfoot or Bigfoot subspecies walking through solid objects. And now UFOs are also flying through solid objects. Oh yeah. Some people think the clouds and the mountain themselves might actually be UFOs. I guess a lot of the clouds that sit on top of the mountain are really weirdly

shaped and aren't really seen like that anywhere else. And these, again, these clouds have been around forever like for like a century that people are like this doesn't look like a normal fucking cloud right and i guess they're called lenticular clouds and because this is a literal mountain and it's such a mountainous area i guess the clouds when they sit on top of mountain peaks they look very abnormal because they almost look like

like an inverted dome shape oh almost like a cereal bowl upside down or something weird and so because they look so weird this whole area gets a lot of ufo reports and a lot of people a lot of the people that they report them to are like yeah that's just a cloud that's not a ufo it's it's become regular where people are like no there's a ufo and they're like that's just a cloud. That's not a UFO. It's become regular where people are like, no, there's a UFO. And they're like, no, it's a cloud. That being said, a lot of, I guess, alien enthusiasts think that the UFO or the clouds themselves might be UFOs in disguise, like they might be. So I guess the best way to describe it is that UFOs are either flying through the clouds so that they can hide themselves as they're docking on the mountain. Or the cloud itself is one massive UFO that's always hovering over the mountain.

And it's like almost a big-ass garage for the tiny UFOs that are landing everywhere. Okay, okay, I get it. And so these clouds are sometimes known as the quote silver fleet. And the silver fleet are in theory, interdimensional UFOs in disguise as clouds that were built and owned by these creatures on the mountain called the Lemurians. Okay. And the Lemurians. Okay. And the Lemurians are who I'm going to talk about next week

because there is too much information about that. Damn, I was like, you need to tell me what that is right now. I guess I'll have to wait. But in theory, the clouds that are all over Mount Shasta are actually the silver fleet that are built and owned by Lemurians to look like clouds or at least something like clouds, but they're actually interdimensional UFOs in camouflage. Okay, this is intriguing to me. That was a lot of information. And I went left, right and diagonal. And I'm so sorry. But this

is why this is a two parter because I'm telling you reading. First of all, I've been social distancing today is day 23 for me since I've been social distancing. Today is day 23 for me since I've been in isolation. And so I thought I was cracking before I read all this information. And I had to keep rereading it being like, I'm sorry, what is going on here? So you're just dragging us all down with you. I get it. I just want everyone to lose the same amount of sanity as I have to. I think we're right behind you. Don't worry. Anyway, next week we will

be talking specifically about the Lemurians on Mount Shasta. That was extremely interesting. I feel like it's different than what we usually do. I was trying to do something energy, mystical, mysterious. Yeah, I love that kind of stuff, as you know. Apparently this whole town, everyone

like, yeah, it's a tourist attraction now, but a lot of people that live nearby, they're like, oh, yeah, weird shit happens all the time. Oh, weird. We're so used to people thinking there's UFOs everywhere. We see like random weird people out in the mountains that don't really look like people. There's like weird big shit things. There's, I mean, apparently it's just normal for them. Oh, my goodness.

Okay. Well, if you live out there, send us an email because I want to know. Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, Em, I have quite a tale for you today. Listen, I hope so because I ran my mouth for far too long just now. No, I loved it. And I feel like they kind of go hand in hand because today I'm covering a cult.

Oh. And the cult is called Heaven's Gate. Thank God. I have wanted to hear about this one for so long. I'm so excited about this, especially because it's a UFO-based cult. So this is like really goes hand in hand with your story, I think, a little bit. So I'm an ignoramus. And I have always thought Heaven's gate and jonestown were the same oh no i oh i know i'm wrong but i always

thought it's in my head and so when you just said that you were going to cover heaven's gate part of me was like we literally covered that in the very first episode i told you we're all losing it i'm just gonna do them all over again i mean to be fair if i did that over again i don't think any of either of us would remember what the hell all i remember is something about you selling a monkey or sell me a monkey or all i know is like something it was never red kool-aid it was purple kool-aid and i never knew that's right or flavoring it was flavor aid flavor aid you're right you're right um well there's no flavor aid or uh or um i was gonna say gatorade what the hell am i talking about uh what's it called what am i doing kool-aid jesus i was like no i was like trying to think of

the word kool-aid i was like i literally forget Okay. I'm so sorry. I'm back here with you now. Heaven's Gate podcast. And it's hosted by Glenn Washington, who hosts the Spooked podcast, which is like one of the scariest, best podcasts ever. And I just love that show. And he has an amazing voice. And he hosts the Heaven's Gate podcast. And it's really good. And they do a lot of interviews. So it's like more, more in depth than one episode that i'm gonna do but he actually was raised in his own kind of little cult like his family was sort of in a very culty religion so he kind of adds a lot to the story but so listen to that podcast um after this please um and anyway so i'm gonna tell you now my version of heaven's gate so to give you well let's just start from the beginning i was gonna give you an overview but i feel like it'd be more fun if i just kind of

uh build up into it so the founders let's start with the founder so the founders are a guy named herf marshall applewhite and and Bonnie Lou Nettles. Okay. Man and lady. They were both born in Texas. They met in 1972. Herf, sorry, he has such a weird name. And there's red squiggles under it.

So I got to zoom in. Okay. Herf was born in 1931. He was the son of a minister, Presbyterian minister. So he had a very strong interest in religion starting at a young age. He actually got a B.A. in philosophy in 1952 and then enrolled in seminary school to study theology. He got married and had two kids and then he left seminary to become a singer. OK.

But was drafted into the army in 1954 and in 1960 once his service had ended he uh got a master's degree in musical theater he's all over the place listen so it was my goddamn story so that's true uh so and then he saw panther no no there's no panther um so he earned a master's degree in musical theater from the university of colorado moved to manhattan with his family failed at his singing career and instead moved to alabama to take up a position as a music professor so basically all that to say that's that backstory kind of plays into what ends up happening but he is fired from his job at the University of Alabama for having a same-sex relationship. And I know. And in 1965, his wife finds out and divorces him.

So he moves to Texas to teach at another university but is forced to resign in 1970 once again for being in a same-sex relationship. Wow. And instead, he decides he's going to run a sandwich shop in new mexico why the hell not why not at this point i'm like you tried singing you tried priesting yeah i mean just make a sandwich god damn unfortunately apparently he was really bad at making sandwiches so like literally so his shop failed i know it's pretty sad. So he went into like a really bad debt. And then his father passed away. And he is just in a really bad place, really struggling financially, emotionally, etc. And then so we're gonna leave him there and go back real quick to Bonnie Lou

Nettles. Okay. She was born in 1927 to a Baptist family, but wasn't religious growing up and she became a nurse and married in 1949 and had four kids in 1971 uh she began to claim that this is interesting and a 19th century monk named brother francis started speaking to her regularly oh boy and uh telling her what to do. So much like this guy in the Mount Shasta, she claims she met a dead monk and he told her what to do with her life.

The next line is, this strains her marriage, which I imagine it would. Does it? I don't know. I can test it on Blaze. I'll test it on Blaze later and let you know what happens. Tell him, tell him that the monk says hi.

I'll tell him he doesn't want me to talk to you, Blaze. By early 1972, Bonnie starts holding these weekly seances. She starts visiting fortune tellers and studying theosophy, astrology, and the occult. So she's like diving headfirst into this whole world. Yeah. weekly seances uh she starts visiting fortune tellers and studying theosophy astrology in the occult so she's like diving headfirst into this whole world yeah um yeah and some sources assert that a fortune teller at this point tells her that she will soon meet a pale mysterious man

and that this would be very important to her life. Oh boy. So in March of 1972. Guess who she meets? A pale man. Herf. Our pale man Herf. The sandwich extraordinaire. The very pale sandwich extraordinaire. As I like to call him.

So the two of them meet in 1972. And there are actually weirdly two versions of how they meet. And they're extremely different. so according to uh herf uh he visits he's visiting a friend in the hospital and like i said bonnie was a nurse and she's a nurse in the NICU and apparently by chance according to him they met in the hall when they locked eyes in a moment of shared recognition of esoteric secrets oh so like not really love at first sight more like like theology at first sight that's yes it's much like how you and i met actually i mean yeah the second our the second our eyes met the world imploded and we learned all of the secrets of like the underground people.

And then that monk showed up and it was just all downhill from there. So some some researchers and journalists actually believe that the hospital he was talking about was actually a psychiatric facility where Herf was a patient. So that is one twist on his tale. is one twist on his tale. However, Bonnie's children have an entirely different story. And they say their mother met Herf at a college where he was teaching theater and where Bonnie's son was a student. And she gave Herf an astrological reading. Yikes. And it showed him that their stars aligned and that they were meant to forge a path in life together.

So either one is a little weird um they're definitely both unique either is weird they're both unique i think that's true they're both like quite a story at a wedding toast you know like oh let me tell you um so whichever one is true uh herf believes at this point that he has met Bonnie in a past life. And she tells him in turn that their meeting was foretold to her by extraterrestrials. Okay. So things have really quickly turned into some chaos. They believe they have a divine mission to help the world. They believe they have a divine mission to help the world, and they create a belief system to support that assertion and create their kind of own religion, for lack of a better term.

Of course. And why wouldn't you at this point? I'm just going to kind of give you an overview of their whole belief system to tell you uh what exactly they believed so their belief system was derived from christian sources as well as the new age movement and sci-fi culture wow we both we really like accidentally picked the same exact topic this time huh isn't that that's kind of weird yeah i feel like this happens rarely but when it does it's like pretty strange it's because our eyes met and we just knew right our esoteric secrets blended together and uh at the oh it was at the uh the 69th chakra in burbank that's where that's where our ley lines met okay now i'm just throwing out words okay i love it um so they create this belief system uh It developed over the course of 25 years. But basically, here's a summary of Heaven's Gate theology.

So they believe that a long time ago, nice space beings from a distant galaxy called the evolutionary level above human or Tela arrive on Earth. And the galaxy is called Next Level, which is actually what the Christian Bible describes as the Kingdom of Heaven. Okay. So the Kingdom of Heaven is described as a physical level of existence in deepest space outside of man's concept of time and beyond this human level. So they believe that the Tella turn Earth into a garden and they plant all life there, including humans. So humans are like their plants, sort of. Sure. Like they like, you know.

They tend to them. They tend to. Exactly. Earth is a training ground for potential new members of next level. And a metamorphic process will occur in a select group of humans or quote-unquote plants who were created with body and spirit so these tele gardeners uh gave their plants free will so they could choose their own direction of growth and the free will gave them three options option number one you can separate from extraterrestrial god and be quote-unquote spaded under like weeds okay and uh they believed that god well i don't know why you would pick that one but um okay i guess you you could if you want your choice i'm not

gonna judge um they believed god was not a spiritual deity but the wisest and most powerful of all tella and commander of their techno technologically advanced star fleet so we'll take that uh for what you will the truth and um the truth right the the end all be all um now number two option number two is to overcome human condition and leave this world behind for next level that's the other option and then finally your third option is to join the opposition called the luciferians oh boy um wait that sounds a lot like what you were what was the name of the the lemurian things that you were lemurians okay well these are called the luciferians and um apparently apparently they're evil extraterrestrials who work against tella

and uh they actually believe lucifer was an early earth plant who graduated to next level then rebelled so i mean basically like the actual biblical story of lucifer that he's a fallen angel sort of but instead he's a fallen plant i guess i don't know so they think he's a plant that went to next level, then rebelled against their god and was expelled to form his own group, the kind of oppositional evil group. And apparently they're also capable of space travel, but with lesser spacecrafts. I see. So they're just not as good at it. Oh, my God.

This is just it's headache inducing. I probably should have warned you. It's okay. I didn't warn you a goddamn once about mount we're really pulling everyone into some chaos we really should have saved these stories for when people were like on their mental game and not like slowly like falling away from sanity i know not just like questioning whether they're actually hearing this or whether it's just like being made up in their subconscious this is your reality check everyone right okay um so basically that is their main belief system they also believe that every 6 000 years the earth is harvested and then recycled

aka annihilated okay and they believe this happened with adam and Eve. And then every 6,000 years, this happens with a new Adam and Eve, like a new two plants that then, you know, build up the whole process again. And they think that this is done every 6,000 years because the earth gets overrun with weeds, a.k.a. the people who stray from God. This is, I know you're not going to understand this reference, but this is like fucking infinity war this is like oh really well because so thanos he believes that like the world is like overpopulated with like just overpopulated in general and so when he snaps his fingers i know you've seen him snap fingers oh yeah yeah it's because he wants to get rid of 50 of humanity whether it's good bad completely like non-judged wipe them out just wipe out 50 just to like at least start over and like and see how the world recreates itself from that 50 that stays yeah i'm not gonna lie it's pretty

similar um except he wipes out everyone right exactly they think it's kind of the same idea except they wipe out everyone and then start over with new plants. Gotcha. But yeah, I mean, it's a pretty similar idea. Okay, that's how I'm going to refer to it in my head. I was going to say, that gives you like a little reference point to use, I guess. Right. I wish I had one, but oh well.

Shastakola, that's what you get. Shastakola is all I'm going to grip onto with my fingers. White knuckling, well. Shastakola. That's what you get. Shastakola is all I'm going to grip onto with my fingers. It's like white knuckling. White knuckle it. Last resort. Oh, boy. Okay. So they believe the Tela visit their plants to give them direction and encouragement every

2,000 years to try and real you know to the correct way of living because i think this is like a breeding ground to try and get people to graduate to the next level with the extraterrestrials uh and they think that these over these weeds quote unquote are often used by luciferians to sow discord and uh draw regular plants to the dark side so they think like basically evil is working through the world and pulling people to the dark side and the tella just want them to be good and so they keep visiting every 2 000 years to try and fix it and then every 6 000 they just start over okay so the tell tele identify plants that have the potential to graduate to the next level. And they're made up of two parts. So each plant or person basically, is made up of a body,

which is just like the vessel or the container. And then the spirit or the software of the they call it the software of the informational mind. So basically, like a soul or spirit, call it the software of the informational mind. So basically like a soul or a spirit, which is inside the body. So graduation to next level requires a third part. Oh, sorry. I guess not everyone has a soul. The third part, you require a soul. And this is kind of like a micro chip or a seed, and it contains all the information for metamorphosis and plants that receive a soul are chosen for potential by tele gardeners oh my god this is just so wait once i don't want to get i know sorry okay i'm just like no you're massaging my third third eye right now okay you mean you're the ogos from austral Yes, yes. Oh, God. Okay, so basically they believe that people are made of a spirit slash software that's inside a vessel, a body.

And they believe that certain people or plants are given a soul and those people are eligible to be graduated to the next level. If you have a soul, you have the software that allows you to to grow again you have a microchip i see if you will um so plants that receive this soul are then have the potential to be graduated with the tela but since the plants are too primitive to understand the soul's information the microchip they instead act as a homing device so that the tele representative can find them the people with the soul and then um come and this is the literal quote shed their genderless extraterrestrial bodies and attempt to take bodily possession of the worthy plants wow am i happy that gender was genderless like i like where do i go good

i know there's a lot happening here so uh they're called away teams these so wait can you say that again no the train's leaving the station i'm just kidding um the train's just like kind of like trying to halt real quick and and it's skidding. The train has driven directly off of a cliff. And I left you at the bottom. So, okay. So, okay. Basically, they believe that.

I just need to hear it again. No, no, no. I think I need to hear it again out of my own damn mouth, because wow. So, they believe that plants, okay, I'm just going to say it again out of my own damn mouth because wow. So they believe that plants. Okay. I'm just gonna say humans that humans are too primitive to understand the information that their soul has the ones that have souls. So instead, the soul is like a little chip that acts as a homing device so that these teletrestrials can come find them and deliver them basically. I see. And help them shed their bodies so that they can um you know ascend

with the soul can release yes so the microchip can go off with the representative correct yes and um so they both so that's what they believed so once this how by the way this is how you know something's a fucking cult because if you have to explain it in full immediately to someone like clearly like the way that the only way that people have like entered this organization was because they were spoon-fed this very gradually right bit by bit you know to kind of start making sense i was gonna say that earlier when you were talking about um the the panther thing and then you kind of you told the whole story and then you summed it up in one sentence and you said oh yeah this guy drank some milky fluid and then saw panther and then ate some cake and like when you said it in one sentence i was like holy shit that's insane but like when you kind of pieced it all out in like a long story it like

you forget how crazy yeah it's like if you let you meticulously make sure that all the right information is heard in the right order then yeah anything can probably sound not too crazy but if you're giving someone like a cliff notes version of something and it sounds exactly bananas it might be a cult like well and i have like a deep-seated obsession with uh scientology like just learning about understanding it and it's a really similar idea. Like that's why they don't release that information because they don't want to be like, hey, by the way, Xenu, you know, all these, it's like a similar idea where they're like, well, no, you learn that as you go through so that you can like slowly believe it. Well, they also, they also frame it as like, oh, once you've ascended, then you can know this

piece. And then once you've ascended, so like it makes you feel like you have a goal to right to to graduate and then you're like honored and you should be proud of the fact that you get to know information others don't right and it like distracts you from the fact that like if no if they just gave you all the information at one time you would not believe if that if like every time the media is like so you believe that xenu is an alien god whatever and they're like every time the media is like, so you believe that Xenu is an alien god, whatever. And they're like, no, of course not. But like, then when you start learning about it, that's like literally what it is. Right.

Uh, so that maybe I'll do a, an episode on that soon. I've been wanting to for a long time. Good luck. Cause that's a long one. That's going to be a rough one. Yeah. Um, so anyway, so they believe that plant, right. one yeah um so anyway so they believe that plant like right so they're gonna the people with the souls have a homing device that the tele extraterrestrials every 2 000 years come to earth

and say oh these are the ones that are have the potential to come with us right to the next level in my head i'm hearing it as human souls are gps yep and a representative is going to come down and collect all the gps tracking devices yes and then once you have all the tracking devices turn into souls or our souls but they no longer have a body or a form and they will now ascend into better versions of themselves right they will ascend to literally a different planet or like a different part of space that's They will ascend to literally a different planet or like a different part of space. That's their heaven. Right.

Okay. So, yes, that's exactly right. So once this plant, so they believe that when the homing device goes off and the Tela extraterrestrials find them, they take the bodily possession of them to kind of help them shed their bodies. their bodies and they believe that once a person is possessed by a tele representative the plant then goes through quote-unquote classroom because they have to override their like base human instincts like their lower being so like they're trying to shed their humanness um and so they have to go through like a classroom sort of situation to learn how to leave that part behind um and so if the plant is able to endure this classroom transition they will then join the representative like you said on the journey back to next level once the mission is complete and you can only make it to next level when you're attached to a tella okay so uh if it becomes, this is kind of the, the big, the big glaring red point on this whole, this whole belief system is if it becomes necessary, a sorry hang on that so that doesn't make sense to

me in like their own beliefs in my head are not like they're i found a plot hole okay okay because isn't it isn't so you just said that they will take all of these souls and basically put them in class to like like get rid of the indoctrination that like being a human gave them right and then and then only then if they can pass that like a boot camp right and like become like be nothing but complete uh ethereal souls again then if that doesn't happen then they're not welcome to to go to the next level but now they're saying like oh wait now i'm confused so so then oh now you're confused interesting so then at the next part you're saying is like metaphorically at least humans have to kill themselves to help

release their soul yeah so basically that's the end of the classroom is like you learn how to shed your human body and that leads you to kind of the final step of okay i'm finally willing and able to shed my human body and i am admitting to this and this is how i will perform it so i guess is their argument then that like you're the gps tracker or the homing device in your soul is not actually turned on until you're dead uh no that's just the soul is just a way for the tella to find you and say okay you are you are a being that is able to ascend and you have the knowledge within you to be able to ascend got it um and yeah i guess like really yeah so i guess you shed your your human body and then you become this genderless extraterrestrial creature i see

and are taken to um the next level sorry it's really hard for me to like wrap my head around irrational information i know i know it's hard for me to logically understand illogical information. But yeah, because it sounded at first like they, it doesn't matter. I'm with you now. It doesn't matter. Okay, well, welcome to me to where I am, because I don't know where the hell I am. But I'm glad you're with me. Yeah. Yeah. So basically, that's kind of what they believe um and again this took 25 years for them to kind of develop this whole theory uh to its fullest and i again i'll say like if you want to learn more there's that um podcast called heaven's gate where they go through like i don't know 11 episodes to discuss all of this so it's much more in depth you know and like they interview

people who explain it and so it's it's obviously a lot more in depth um and spread out but we don't have 11 episodes to do that so i'm just throwing it all at you right now so in late 1972 uh herf and bonnie begin their divine mission by opening a metaphysical bookstore and in 1973 they decide instead they're going to close up their shop and take to the road to start recruiting disciples with their new doctrine very 70s behavior right um so they uh they require their disciples to uh give up or they call them their crew members basically to give up all of their worldly possessions and material things and uh they do this themselves bonnie divorces uh her husband and abandons her children and uh they're actually three of them are grown adults at this point and

one is still a teenager and she's actually interviewed in the um her name's terry and she's interviewed in the uh podcast and it's really sad because she was like my mom and i were like best friends and so close and then she just left um wow yeah and it's pretty tragic and so then uh he her and bonnie travel around preaching uh they went completely broke in the process and they started resort uh they started camping or skipping out on hotel bills to try and make ends meet and in august of 1974 they're arrested on charges of credit card fraud and auto theft because they rented a car and then kept it uh and so bonnie's released but herf spends six months in jail and after that once he's out in march of 1975 in ohio california bonnie and herf recruit a mother and daughter to their emerging group and uh the next month in april uh the two of them refer to

themselves so bonnie and herf start referring to themselves as tea and dough oh boy yeah and sometimes they call themselves bow and peep which is just worse i guess uh yep uh but tea and dough and they they hold a recruitment meeting in the hollywood hills where 80 people attend and 24 people agree to meet them in oregon in two weeks and they do so 24 people go from california to oregon to meet them there they're like that convinced. So now this small group, which alternately goes by the names, human individual metamorphosis or him and total overcomers, anonymous to total overcomers,

anonymous. Those are the two names. They, I guess they just can't decide. How could you, there's so many other important things to focus on in this weird world. know it's like fucking stick to a script man okay uh they start leading a nomadic transient lifestyle and they have their followers and um in june of 1975 uh herf and bonnie just decide to uh abandon their followers in sedona arizona they're like

bye we're done with you okay i don't know i yeah let's just consider them lucky let's just consider them lucky honestly though truly and some of them they interview people who like quote unquote got out and are like what the fuck like yeah it's really fascinating um and then in september of that year so a couple months later, they're back in Oregon. And Bonnie and Herf hold a UFO convention with the promise that a spaceship is going to land. And it does not. We guarantee it. They did.

They literally promised it. And then it just didn't happen. What a shock. And somehow they got 30 more people to join the group because they were so convincing last time so convincing so they left town for colorado uh to wait for they said oh wait the spaceship's actually going to land in colorado so then they leave for colorado and here's the interesting part is that these 30 people just peaced out of Oregon after this UFO convention. And it made national headlines because basically people were like, hold on.

They had a UFO convention. Then these 30 people just fucking left. And it generated a lot of negative publicity for the group. They had like Walter Cronkite on a recording of him talking about it it's super interesting um and so at this point they're like super wary of the press and they decide to go underground uh to kind of avoid the stigma the public stigma and by doing so they lost three quarters of their now 100 member strong group. Wow. So they're only left with like 25 people. Yikes.

The ultra believers, I suppose. Sure. So in the early and like going underground, basically part of that is like you're not allowed to contact anyone from your past life. Like you need to be like off the grid. And so, you know, a lot of people obviously didn't want to agree to that um and so in the early 1980s the group finally sticks to the script and adopts the moniker heaven's gate i see yeah they start living since they're not working they start living off several members trust funds oh much to the pride of their parents, I'm sure. Right. And many members cut off contact completely with families and friends.

Members were required to be celibate because sex was considered mammalian. And they, you know, are trying to shed their human. They're like in the classroom at this point, basically. And they're trying to shed their human base instincts. Right. and they're trying to shed their human uh base instincts right um so they take on what they saw as a genderless appearance in clothing and hairstyle they all had this like same haircut um all wore like the same kind of just baggy clothes anything human uh such as affection was discouraged and everything was regimented to the minute even apparently they dictated the proper diameter of a

pancake that's how strict they were about like the rules yeah um they were allowed to watch it's it's just beyond like strange um they were allowed to watch some movies on tv and uh it would it was only content that would prepare them for life on spaceships oh boy so they were allowed to watch close encounters of the third kind star trek and later cocoon and that was and they said they got really into star trek they were like trekkies also on top of everything else like truly really huge fans um and then in i it was 1986 and doe or bonnie's daughter terry the one who was a teenager was in college and she received a visit from some of the members of the group and she's like i was trying she was interviewed in the other podcast and she's like

i was just trying to have like a relaxing evening and all of a sudden these like people showed up and they were like oh we're members of Heaven's Gate your mom's you know the founder and we're members and we just wanted to check on you and she cares so much about you and she was like what the hell and she's like yeah they were being really weird and evasive and they started talking about how like she had a Yoda doll and they were like oh your mom loves yoda and she's like what do you want why are you in my room like my dorm room basically and um and then they mentioned casually like oh and by the way your mom had to have surgery to like loot she lost an eye what and uh i'm sorry terry was like wait what and so she kind of was like they tried to skip over that and she said just as a gut instinct she said is my mom dead and she's like i assumed they would be like oh god no

but they just went yes she's dead and she was like reeling like she was in shock and it turns out her mom had died of liver cancer a year earlier in 1985 oh my gosh and since and basically they were here to tell her in so many terms that her mother had passed away and uh she had even the the worst part is that but in that year she had called to talk to her mom and everyone was like oh no she's really busy turns out she had been dead at this point so like oh my god they were just lying to her and she had no idea now i also think it's interesting that they even like went out of their way to go tell someone that their mom died because if their whole thing is like oh we don't care about affection we don't care about caring about each other so like interestingly bonnie like didn't follow her

own rules like she would mail stuff to her daughter secretly all the time and mail her money and like write to her that she loved her and so i think since she was the founder she was like you need to tell my daughter that like once i pass you need to tell my daughter and so since they believe she's like their guru or whatever they felt like they had to and so she was actually uh unbeknownst to them, breaking her own rules and like writing to her daughter, sending her money and saying, like, don't tell anyone where this came from. And gotcha. Yeah. And so I think they were kind of instructed to buy Bonnie before she died. And like, this became a huge issue because the whole point was that they were going to be ascending and like, it wouldn't happen until everyone was ready and the aliens would take them. And now Bonnie was dead.

Right. Well, also like, well also like on a personal level too, of like them all having to like lose contact with everyone they cared about, but like their own leader didn't have. Right. Right.

Oh, that part too. Yeah. And so she was bringing her own rules in it and so um uh herf was like the only one left and he actually considered bonnie above him like she was kind of the top leader and then he was uh kind of her sidekick almost and so when she died he went through like his own crisis and was like well shit like now i've got to run this thing and like she was supposed to guide us to the next level and now

she's gone um and so it became he was devastated um and it was just like really it sent a lot of them reeling um and so i think though you would think that they would um that like like he shouldn't be devastated because he shouldn't be showing human emotions like you would think he it would be like oh well she's already passed on before us and like now she's already meeting us there and all this bullshit yeah so that's kind of what he did like he he didn't really uh i don't think openly admit to that um but he basically changed the the doctrine and said like oh don't worry she went ahead of us and we're just gonna follow her but he was reeling too because he's like this is not part of the plan like this is not like her dying of cancer was

not in the original plan this is not how she said it would happen and so now he's like shit i'm stuck with all these people that have been following me for years and I need to comfort them and say, no, no, don't worry. Like she's waiting for us. But did he was he starting to have doubts at all? You think of being like, oh, well, everything she like prophesied like prophesies is not happening. Yeah. So actually, I think a lot of people speculate that he did start to kind of question it. to question it and um terry for what it's worth thinks that her mom had started um becoming disillusioned with the whole thing uh before her death because the way she wrote her letters she kind of said like one of the letters actually said um whatever you do stick to uh stick to a

you know a normal path get a career like like, blah, blah, blah, start a family, don't abandon your family, whatever. Like, her instructions were very, like, opposite to her daughter of, like, what she did. And so Terry was like, I think she started regretting some things and questioning. But at the same time, they were in too deep, basically. Like, they had all these people just, like, following them blindly. And they had all their money, you know. And so they were like, well, now what? So they kind of had to talk themselves into like, oh, no, no, no. This is supposed to happen. So, right.

So he basically changes the entire doctrine is like, don't worry. She went ahead and we're going to we're going to follow and we're going to meet her. So don't worry about it. And they are like, OK, sure. um so don't worry about it and they are like okay sure and uh they think basically at this point they start to believe that she had left her earthly body to prepare the ship for their arrival so she's just like leading the way got it oh boy so it's around this time that seven members of heaven's gate uh and Herf himself traveled to Mexico to be castrated.

Okay. Yeah. And some sources state that this occurred only after an unsuccessful home castration which led to a member's death. And they definitely discussed this process in the

other podcast, Heaven's Gate. And it is slightly disturbing. And they even give a little warning to be like, just so you know, this is not going to make you feel great. But so a lot of the members were like begging to be literally begging to be castrated because they were like, we're not allowed to have sex. We're like living in close quarters. We are trying to like resist our urges. Like we want them to be gone. Please like let us be castrated. And so they were. start a company called Higher Sources, and they start creating websites. And thus, Heaven's Gate starts their own website, and it's built as a recruitment tool for other people to join. And in 1993, the group places a large advertisement for Heaven's Gate in USA Today.

So now they're really like selling out, I guess. They're trying to get people to join this cult. I guess they're trying to get people to join this cult. And in 1995, at this point, they're living in a compound in New Mexico. And it's then that Herff hears that the Hale-Bopp comet was approaching. And this was like a huge deal in the 90s that Hale-Bopp was coming. And two astronomers named Hale and Bopp had seen this comet. And that's why it's named that. And it was just really it's such a rare occurrence. And people on, you know, Earth were very excited about this.

And so Herf just started to believe that this was the sign. This was associated with the arrival of the Tella and their harvest would begin. And this was kind of the sign of their ascension to come and so in 1996 he sells their compound in new mexico for sixty thousand dollars and he moves the group which now has seven uh several dozen sorry several dozen disciples to a mansion in rancho santa fe san diego county oh and uh i know it's like now it's becoming i mean it really to a mansion in Rancho Santa Fe, San Diego County. Oh, okay. And I know, it's like now it's becoming, I mean, it really sounds like it's becoming a reality show at this point.

They move into a mansion and they're taking out ads in USA Today. And so they move into this mansion. And in March of 1997, San Diego sheriffs receive a strange call uh at first they believed it to be a prank uh but they followed up on the anonymous tip and they enter the mansion to find quite a disturbing sight and it turns out that uh herff and his followers believed that 33 spaceships were arriving on the tail of the comet to graduate them so they could go to the next level and herf makes a decision that uh everyone in the group was to take their own lives and die by suicide to leave their mammalian vessels behind so that they could graduate together to meet Bonnie,

to meet Doe on the spaceship. Wow. And yeah, it's unclear whether he made that decision alone or whether the group came to a consensus. But either way, the decision was made and they started preparing. What they did first was they cleansed themselves they they spent anywhere from a week to three months on the master cleanse which was no food it was just water cayenne pepper and maple syrup which to this day i have seen on actual diet websites and uh know people who have tried it and it is not good for you so please don't do that yeah it really is like it's still a cleanse today but if the people in heaven's gate did it don't do it thank you that's what i always say that's my like bar that's m's in my bar for like what we're allowed to do with the

tele advisors with the teletubbies advisors did you just say teletubbies yeah i just got i just put that together that's kind of weird um yeah so they do this master cleanse to kind of prepare them them their bodies and then they create these special uniforms that have become very famous uh as part of this uh heaven's gate story and they're black tracksuits with nike decades sneakers and the tracksuits have a specially made patch on the sleeve that says away team which is a reference to star trek wow and um in a strange coincidence among the 39 members of heaven's gate at this time is the estranged brother of nichelle nichols who played actually one of the officers in the original star trek series get out so her estranged brother was in this group wearing a star trek badge

and believing that he was going to ascend in actual star trek fashion geez um yeah it's just a really weird coincidence um they actually purchased this is real alien abduction insurance policies for each member okay and uh apparently this is a real thing called niche insurance um and apparently it's similar to the idea of mariah carey insuring her legs okay uh this is like a real thing you can do is buy uh specifically alien abduction insurance which we should get on that i mean the fact that we have it we should we should consider like exorcism like demon insurance too actually that's probably like paranormal yeah i think we do they have like uh like a group policy that'll um like a bundle deal maybe like anything like a family

plan a family plan and like let's bundle home auto extraterrestrial and demon all in one for discounts okay eva write that down okay uh each member at this point makes an exit tape in which they say their goodbyes to the human world but in each video they're super joyful they're lucid they're content with their plan um it's like really alarming yeah yeah very creepy and uh herf himself makes a nearly 90 minute exit video and in his video he says they will not be committing suicide quote unquote but instead they will be ascending to a higher plane of existence that suicide is staying ignorant in a world that will be recycled in 2027. And instead, they're not taking their own lives. They are leaving their bodies to go to a better life, basically.

Wow. And you said 2021 we were supposed to be recycled? 2027. So we're not there yet. Yeah. We'll find out, though. It certainly looks like the world is on its way to that. I was going to say, we're not in bad shape now uh according to their whole belief system it seems like pretty on track um seems like only six years away from an annihilation just at this point right recycled the earth recycled yeah yeah uh so they have their own last supper. And get this, it's at Marie Calendars, because why not?

Mine too, by the way. I know. Ours is at Cheesecake Factory. They all ate the same thing, which actually, after this month-long cleanse, is probably really exciting. They had iced tea, a small salad, a turkey pot pie and blueberry cheesecake. So they all had the exact same meal. I know. And the waiter said that none of them seemed distraught. They were all very polite, like nothing seemed off. They were having a great time together. And so her at this point, FedEx's packages to several former Heaven's Gate members,

including some people he thinks of as friends and that one of them is a bbc journalist and these packages contain the vhs tapes that have copies of everyone's exit videos and a letter that says we have exited our vehicles just as we entered them and so basically these packages like so goose cammy were not supposed to arrive until after this act had taken place so that by the time they arrived it was too late for anyone to do anything oh my gosh um so on march 23rd 1997 the heavensgate cult members and their leader marshall applewhite herf packed their suitcases put a five dollar bill and three quarters in one pocket and their ids in the other and three quarters in one pocket and their IDs in the other.

And then they began what they called their metamorphosis. So they ate. They were 15 of them at this point who had agreed to go through with this. They ate a mixture of phenobarbital mixed with applesauce, followed by a chaser vodka. Then they laid down in their beds and put plastic bags over their heads. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Once the 15 of them passed away, officially,

two female members cleaned up the scene, posed the bodies in a uniform, dignified position, kind of with arms crossed, like how you would, or sorry, arms to your side, like how you would lay in a casket basically and uh covered the bodies with purple shrouds and uh purple was actually doe's favorite color it's unclear if that's why the shrouds were purple but it's possible um and so on march 24th the second group of 15 do the same as the first so So there was, they split them in half basically. So the first half, uh, took their own lives. And then the second half, the day after did the same. And, um, just as the day before the same two female members cleaned up, covered the bodies with the shrouds. And finally on the third day, March 25th, the final group of nine took their lives as the 30 before them had.

And even though the first 15 had agreed to start the process, the remaining continued it just like their predecessors, nobody backed out. And Herf himself was the third to last to take his life so that the final, so that the two female members could clean up again. Then they themselves took the applesauce place bags over their heads and they were the only ones who were not cleaned positioned and shrouded because that was their task wow and um that's how they were found in their mansion uh very disturbing sight i imagine um Probably quite traumatizing. Holy crap. And the way they were discovered,

so this guy named Rio D'Angelo, who lived in LA, received his package, and he understood what the hell this package meant. So he asked his boss to drive him from LA to the mansion in San Diego. He took a video camera with him, because he knew what was going on,

he was a former member and he recorded as he entered the mansion from an unlocked door. He recorded the scene. He called out for anyone. Nobody responded. Then he returned to his boss. He said, call the police. And they made an anonymous tip to the sheriff's office. This is when the sheriffs believed this was just a prank um so they responded to the mansion to do a welfare check based on this tip and that is when they discover the 39 bodies already decomposing in the warm weather shit and they check for any sign of life they find none and they begin an investigation wow so yikes also like by the way like if i were um if i like had any doubts i would have volunteered real quick to be one of those two women who like who cleaned up and then

i just wouldn't have done anything after everyone left yeah but i mean i'm surprised that they were really that convicted you know i mean yeah they were welcome to leave you know like nobody was chaining them there like you know if they didn't want to do it they could have left but uh nobody i really thought that was going to be the the ending to this though of like oh and then one of them decided it was they didn't want to do it no there are actually remaining members but i will get to that um the yeah the two women who were kind of the caretakers they uh they were so convicted that they wanted to help everyone else get to the other side before they did themselves which is just really sad um so basically they find they the sheriff's department

enters the house they find this situation they get a search warrant to begin the investigation and the aftermath of the mass suicide was that all 39 members 21 women and 18 men of heaven's gate who took their lives were cremated within a year of the heaven's gate mass suicide as it was called uh in the press three members and former members would take their own lives um on their own account with the hopes of joining uh their other members wow yeah so um they basically felt like they were not left behind but they were like oh no i wanted to go too so they took their own lives thinking oh i'll do this and then i will be able to join my fellow members. Got it. One member who expresses deep regret for not joining the 39 when interviewed in a documentary about the cult.

He tried to take his life twice before he was successful. And another copycat suicide occurred in Northern California. This becomes like such a obviously a huge story in the press uh there's an snl sketch uh kind of gallows humor starts taking over there's um a top 10 list on david letterman's show and an early version of the meme um it's a photo of one of the bodies i'm. It's a photo of the bodies and then with the Nikes like in the picture and it says just did it. You know, like. Yeah. And obviously Nike at this point had a huge PR issue on their hands.

Right. They're like our shoes really had to use our fucking shoes. Oh, I can't imagine. Like I'm sure they were really proud of those shoes, too. And then nobody wanted to buy them. Yeah. Or everyone wanted to buy auction for the items left behind by Heaven's Gate. And their two remaining members and their names are Mark and Sarah King, and they try to stop the auction. They settled by paying $2,000 to retrieve anything significant to their beliefs, as well as any intellectual property. And the Heaven's Gate website in all its mid-90s glory is still alive and is supposedly being maintained by the two surviving members, the Kings.

And I'm on the website right now. It's called heavensgate.com. It is very 90s. It has like a little space star background. It has a little graphic that says Red Alert at the top. Yeah. And it basically gives you a little overview. Has a really cool like word art logo. Love a good word art.

Love a good word art. It says, I'm just going to read one little bit from the website. It says, if you study the material on this website, you will hopefully understand our joy and what our purpose here on earth has been you may even find your boarding pass to leave with us during this brief window we are so very thankful that we have been recipients of this opportunity to prepare for membership in their kingdom and to experience their boundless caring and nurturing and then they have a lot of additional transcripts and their like belief systems and links to their hard copy of their book that you can order. It's just a little disturbing. Hef? Herf? How he came to or how him and Bonnie came to like learn

the secret information about like Tella and all that? Or did they just make it fucking up? They just fucking made it up. They believe Well, remember how Bonnie said she was being spoken to by a monk?

She also believed that she was being spoken to by um yes a monk she also believed that she was being spoken to by extraterrestrials who told her that she would meet herf and that they would like forge this path together and so she basically believed this was being this information was being like given to her from extraterrestrial beings right right so that she could lead the new you know generation of souls she was the chosen one to totally right no totally i just totally forgot about the uh her hearing voices and stuff i would i would prefer you memorize all of this by the end of the episode but i guess that's okay this is one of the times that i'll probably be pleased i don't remember what we talked about

in an episode because it just really fucks with your head um okay let's see so uh right so the kings are believed to be uh running this website still um many of the items were purchased and are currently displayed at the museum of death in hollywood uh so i guess have you been to that one m yes the museum of death i've been to both of them i went to the one in new orleans too yeah okay so apparently a lot of the items are at the one in hollywood yes there are um and then the auction raised over 32 000 and it was put toward the funeral expenses um and it's really tragic because a lot of these people's families hadn't heard from them in years didn't know if they were okay and then

turned on the news and said isn't that the group that so and so my son was in or you know whatever and had to find out that way which is really tragic oh my gosh um heaven's gate continued to be and actually you know a lot of the argument about it, too, is they they were very happy. They died in like a very peaceful, quote unquote, way, according to their videos. But they they were happy to do it. They were excited. But, you know, then you think about all the chaos and destruction they left behind in their families lives and in their friends lives. And so I mean, I guess like, like yeah if you're gonna die like i'm

i'm glad that you died in a in the your best way possible right but still you also didn't have to yeah like you know exactly and it took it took it put a lot of people it added a lot of pain to the earth um right despite how insistent they were that this was a good thing. So Heaven's Gate continues to be quite an enigma, so to say, among cults. Scholars debate whether or not they had free will within the group. It's discussed whether brainwashing is a real thing, how that actually works, whether any of the members were ever intimidated, which it's believed they were not. Um, they were always allowed to leave if they wanted to with no repercussions.

Uh, you know, whether Herf himself was just that effective in persuading them. It's, it's debated like how much say the members had in this final decision. Right. Um, they could, they could, most of them could maintain their normal jobs if they wanted. And I mean, personally, I think that's probably because they needed money, like the group needed to have some sort of income. A lot of them were cut off from their family members. Others weren't. So it's kind of unclear like how that happened um and reportedly the families who were cut off had attempted um to remove the their family members they actually kind of created a

group this one woman created a group of people who also had their family members taken away by this cult and tried to get them back but um the cult members would not go home uh at least most of them didn't and for all intents and purposes they were pretty much normal quote-unquote people a lot of them had good jobs degree like good degrees um families they just left everything behind uh and so you know it's unclear how they were persuaded but her friend bonnie must have just been that yeah convincing i guess um and most people agree that uh her friend bonnie genuinely believed in what they preached it wasn't like a money-making scheme you know or like a money-hungry power play or anything like that as a lot of cults right are um but. But it's believed that they actually truly believed in it themselves.

And presently, nowadays, there are between four and eight members of Heaven's Gate, including the kings who run the website. And they fully believe this. And one of them was interviewed in the other podcast. And they believe that their time will come to you know enter the next level and meet up with bonnie and the others oh my gosh yeah and so it's still kind of going on today and you can see the website at heavensgate.com please don't join it but you can look at it um please do not join it at all and that is the story of heavens gate

awesome you did excellent. Quite a big episode, Em, that we did today. Oh my god. I know. I don't think either was planned for it to be this bananas. But this was big stuff. I'm glad we're only recording one today because I think if we did two, our brains would explode. I'd be mentally wiped

for sure. I think we're going to have weird ass dreams. We should probably journal them tonight just to see what. Just a thousand percent. Wow. Well, thank you guys for tuning in. Hopefully this made you feel better. I know.

I mean, I guess it at least distracted you hopefully from everything else that's happening right now. I, I do want to say I was, I guessed, I guess start on Eva's podcast this week. That's right.

I was on paranormal cat tivity. If you guys want to go listen to Eva's podcast this week. That's right. I was on Paranormal Cat-tivity, if you guys want to go listen to Eva's podcast. I cannot wait to listen. We were talking about, all three of us were talking about the book Benicula a lot. Oh yeah, on tour we kept talking about it. I kept saying that that was like my dream book that like back when I actually wanted to read. And I probably have like trauma from Benicula and that's why I don't like to read anymore because I desperately wanted to get it from the library and it was always signed out and so I actually read a book I read Benicula for for for Eva's show to catch myself up and it was a hundred pages which meant I cried for 100 minutes. And that's a big deal.

It's a big deal. I'm so proud of you. And but so I talk about it on Eva's podcast. So you can go listen to that per normal captivity. I am so excited. I have not listened yet, but I'm going to today. And I will be on a future episode also. But I have not heard what book we're reading yet.

So gotcha. Well, I will update you when that happens. All right. Well, thank well thank you everyone for listening uh this has been very fun and very disturbing as usual yes yes yes uh i miss you m and i cannot wait till someday uh oh my god my siri gut went off and i said uh this is disturbing and she said i'm sorry yeah you fucking should be anyway i miss you too all right well oh you better anyway uh check in with us next week we'll see what part two has in store for everybody the lemurians at the very least you'll be hearing about i can't wait and all right that's why we drink we did it yay Can't wait. And? All right. That's. Why? We.

Drink. We did it. Yay.