And That's Why We Drink - E171 A Vegetarian Lake Monster and a Proud Consumptive

Episode Date: May 10, 2020

"Pour one out for Michael Scott, Juniper and Em's computer! We attempted to up our game and record video this week and accidentally crashed Em's computer... oops! But that only means we get the chance to release the audio from one of our favorite live shows: Minneapolis at the beautiful Varsity Theater! Sit back, relax and get your drinks ready while we tell you the tales of Pepie the monster of Lake Pepin. He's either the size of a leg, an elephant or 20 feet, we're not exactly sure. Then Christine covers "the most cold blooded murderer who ever walked god's footstool", Harry Hayward and his dramatic murder of the badass dressmaker Kitty Ging. We're also mildly confused by the Minneapolis hamster tubes... and that's why we drink!

Hi folks, Christine here. So Em and I tried to, we've been trying a lot of different things, but we tried to use a new software to record our episode this week. And let's just say we had some slight technical difficulties. Em's computer basically gave up the ghost, if you will. Oh god, that was dumb. But in any case, we were not able to record the normal episode. But in any case, we were not able to record the normal episode. We got a few minutes in and then we replayed Em's audio and it sounded of a delay. And so this week we've decided to put out a live episode. This is actually one of our favorites. It's from Minneapolis. This is the city where Em found three haunted bears and gave them to me as a just beautiful gift. Thanks, Em. Little did they know I would get deeply attached and keep them forever. In any case, this is a wonderful memory from back in a world when we were allowed to, you know, be next to each other and hug you guys. So I'm sorry we don't have

a new episode for you, but we are fixing the situation. Emma's getting a brand spanking new computer and we are hopefully, fingers crossed, knock on wood, not going to have any more major technical issues in the future. Thanks for sticking with us. Thanks for being patient throughout all this. I know things haven't been necessarily ideal with the audio, but we are really working on it and we want to make sure we don't compromise the quality of the show at all. Anyway, we love you. We hope you are staying super safe, super healthy. I hope all the ghosts in your house are leaving you alone for the most part. I know Walter is getting pretty tired of me, especially since I hope all the ghosts in your house are leaving you alone for the most part. I know Walter is getting pretty tired of me, especially since I polished off the gin.

So pour yourself a glass of wine, light a candle, close the blinds, and enjoy the show. So let's crack it. Sorry. I feel like a kid that's about to give a presentation That he has no idea about We just flew in from Los Angeles And boy are my arms tired Fun fact, he was a wanton Listen, English is my first language Is Tamara home? Whoops

Sassy with me Sassy the clown The clown is showing Ugh, fight Oh, sweet that's a bit Finish your drink And that's moving. Finish your drink. And that's why we dream.

Hello. Oh. Woo-hoo. Oh, my. Oh. Hello, Minneapolis. These are, what does that sign say? I can't read that. It says, whoops.

Oh, I see. Love your hair, hate your guts. Whoops. She means hate. Eat your guts. Love it. Hate it. Hate it.

Oh, my. This is a cool spot. Thank you guys for having us. Thank you. I have never been here before. No, and this is super pretty. All these little spooky chandeliers. We didn't ask for that.

That just happened. Our green room is like a little bomb shelter. It's very creepy. There's a disco ball. It's just wild. It was bananas. Also, it's a super cool town

from what I've seen, but Eva was very frightened by your large tunnels in the sky. Whatever those are. Those... Yeah, we know now. I call them the tunnels in the sky. I call them the tunnels in the sky. Okay.

I call them the hamster tubes. Apparently, Eva was trying to get to a Chipotle. All she wanted was a burrito. And she was like, I was one of the only people walking on the street street. And then... She looked up. She was looking at her GPS like,

I'm here, where is it? And then it was like... Anyway. Very cool. She looked up. She was looking at her GPS like, I'm here. Where is it? And then it was like, oh. Anyway, very, very cool. Very like Jetsons of you. Very Jetsons. Right. Very dystopian. You're preparing.

Good for you. We have the bomb shelter. I mean, it all makes sense now, I guess. Also, wow, it's so cold here. Yeah, what the fuck? And I know you're probably laughing that it's really not that cold here. But it's so cold here. Yeah, what the fuck? And I know you're probably laughing that it's really not that cold here. I know.

But it's fucking May, okay? So you can't play that game with me right now. When you come to LA and it's like 80, you're gonna be like, it's so hot! And we're gonna be like, eh. Honestly, we were in Wisconsin yesterday. Boo? I don't know.

Yeah, fuck Wisconsin. I'm neutral, neutral apparently on Wisconsin today okay and it was fucking cold and then everyone promised me it would get warmer and it did not and then I came here and it also did not so not sure what to make of that

no and then we're I don't know and then after this we're making a pit stop at the fucking Webby's, guys. Oh, yeah. Wait a minute. I've been wanting to talk about this for a while. Oh, my God. So I decided, I was like, I went to a whole bunch of weddings last year.

And then some. And then I was like, okay, well, I've been renting enough suits. I'm just going to go buy one. So I went to the – I went to – Keep going. She's already heard it a million times. She says, I can't shut up. So I went to this, like, the suit place.

The suit place. I forget what it's called. And I was like, hi, I'm here to buy a suit. And they were like, well, I'm here to buy a suit. And they were like, well, we're having a deal right now where if you buy one suit for only $80, you get one whole custom suit. And I was like, oh! And so then I was like, I don't even know what to do with that. And he was like, well, what are some people that you like that you've seen in suits?

And I was like, Captain America. So I have a whole Captain America custom suit. Very excited about it. Not even a joke, yeah. Plus, when you combine that with my Back to the Future tie clip and cufflinks I'm going to look fucking bananas Oh my god Did you literally just bring up the webby so you could talk about your damn suit? I've been wanting to talk about it for so long I'm so excited about it

But it's not ready yet Trust me, when it comes in in a month There's going to be a lot of Instagram pictures You'll know, don't worry We'll all know Anyway, that being said thank you for having us thank you we're very excited to be here uh we could also uh do a little pour one out for our homie because uh juniper deserves a drink currently yeah juni went to the vet

yesterday um with blaze and he's fine but blaze sent me this video and was like, Juniper's mad, and I was like, what? And it's this video, and it's this, it's a demon from hell noise. It's a sound I've never heard from a cat in my life. It's an insane sound. Or any creature on earth. No. It sounds a little like, It's just like this horrible shrieking, like guttural shrieking noise. And everyone keeps laughing, and I'm like traumatized. I'm laughing a little bit,

but like, I make a nervous laughing. I'm like, Poor thing. That being said, let's crack into it. Yes. Okay. I. Okay.

I'm excited. These are so comfy. These chairs are rocking my world right now. We might fall asleep. And we were warned, too. They were like, just so you know, like, they're really low. So when you get in, like, be ready. And then I heard, and I was like, okay.

And then I just came out here, and I was like, whoa. The audio of that is not going to be pretty. Sorry, Eva. Both of us just falling. Grunting. Whoops. All right. Here's what's going on, guys.

Tell me. Don't be mad. Oh, great. This is not a ghost story. It's an urban legend of your town. So hopefully that makes up for it. I've It's an urban legend of your town. So, hopefully that makes up for it. I've been on an urban legend kick.

The last like three shows I've done are, the last three shows I've done are urban legends. But they've been really fun. They've been wild. So, if you know this, please clap. If you don't, please clap,

because I have anxiety. And then continue to clap until I'm off the stage. Right, and then clap until we're like in New York at the Webby's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is the story of Peppy, the monster from Lake Pepin. What the? I think they're making that up. Some of those were pity claps, but that's okay.

What the fuck are you talking about? We're going to learn together. So... It sounds like you're reading us a children's book. We're going to go on this journey one by one, and it's okay. Okay, so does Lake Pepin mean anything to anyone here? Okay. Cool.

Those people. Someone in? Okay. Cool. Those people. Someone in the back, specifically. So, apparently you guys have the United States' version of the Loch Ness Monster. Aw. You guys sounding fucking confused tells me those were pity claps earlier, by the way. Aha!

We caught you. Your Midwestern came out with, ooh! It is my favorite thing about being up here. I caught you. Sneaky sneaky. Usually Emma has to go when Emma says something like kind of history related, they go

ooh, ah, to make people do that. But you guys do it automatically. You did it on your own. We don't need to prompt you at all. There's just, ooh, it's so nice. It makes us feel very important. Ooh, is that soul? Wow. Okay. Very satisfying.

I appreciate it wholeheartedly. Yes. So, this is the United States version of the Loch Ness Monster, which is in your lake Pepin. I think I'm saying that right. And the, okay, oh, great. And the creature's name is Peppy. Okay.

That's precious. So, okay, I am being so redundant. The next thing I have to say is, lives in Lake Pepin. Okay. This is literally a children's book. I know. Maybe it's for my own sanity. I'm like, where am I?

So Lake Pepin, if you don't know, which I did not, apparently borders Wisconsin and Minnesota. Okay. Maybe not. But that's what Wikipedia told me. It is part of the Mississippi River. It's a lake on a river, which actually makes it a geological oddity. So the lake on its own is apparently weird.

Okay. To even exist. So it's interesting that a monster supposedly lives in there. Also, fun fact. Oh, God. And off we go. And to the races. Lake Pepin

is home to the only working lighthouse on the Mississippi River. What? Oh. Oh. It makes me so happy. I'm not making fun of you. I just wish I sounded like that. That actually was a rare fun fact, like an actual fun fact.

That's one you can share with your families at the lake. Those are very rare. So Pepe dates back all the way to the 1600s, according to a few archives. One in particular is a guy named Father Louis Hennepin. Okay. I talk about that too. Wait, do you really?

So we know that person. That word. Hennepin, Father, or Louis. I talk about that too wait do you really so we know that person that word Hennepin father or Lewis and then on google maps on the way here I saw it on multiple buildings and I was like that must be a thing that everyone knows okay I didn't know I stumbled upon a little gem there

it's Hennepin right okay okay well thank you he's involved in this cool i'm on the right track um so he wrote a report that he's actually the first report according to these archives um that saw peppy and said that it was a quote huge serpent as big as a man's leg and apparently all man's legs are the same size but that doesn't seem very big he was half the size of a man um okay apparently and seven to eight feet long. Is he okay? Who the hell is this guy?

The story... The story transforms, don't worry. It gets bigger. That's what she said, you're right. Drink. And pour one out for Michael Scott. All right, here we go. So fast forward like 200 years to the 1800s.

So more reports are now starting to come in from natives living on the land. And mound builders in the area are saying that the missing people in their community, it's attributed to the monster, that the monster's killing them and that's why they're missing. And then they just don't go look for them. They're like, oh, well, that's peppy. That's peppy, all right. Apparently, they have warned people that a monster lurks in a lake and has a huge neck, a humped body, and a long tail.

And also ancient effigy mounds have all appeared to depict huge serpents in the water near the area and natives have demanded that they will only cross water in their strongest canoes because they have apparently had poor experiences on the water in their thinner

canoes where an animal has punctured the material and the whole ship has or the whole canoe has gone sinking oh no so okay someone's very amused and peppy is so proud of his work apparently yeah so like i said it's most commonly referred to as minnesota's loch ness monster or America's Loch Ness Monster. And interestingly enough, Loch Ness and Lake Pepin are very similar in size. So a lot of people think that that's kind of a fun fact, if you will. God damn it. One of them is 23 miles long, while the other is only 22 miles long.

One of them is one and a half miles wide while the other is two miles wide. So they are very weirdly the same size. Lochness and... Oh my God, I thought you meant the monster thing. I was like, oh. It's like it really did grow. Holy shit. It's 22 miles long, just like a man's leg.

Yeah, it's like, don't put your canoe anywhere near that thing. I don't care how thick it is. Ew. Ew. That's what she said. Sure. It gets bigger, and I don't care how thick it is.

So. La, la, la. It's 2008 again. Oh, and both lakes are also surrounded by high hills and bluffs. So on a picture of it, they both look very similar. But there is a difference in that their depths are very different. So Lake Pepin is only 60 feet deep, but Loch Ness reaches like 700 feet and more sometimes. It wins. like 700 feet and more sometimes so it wins in the 1850s steamboat operators in the area

started reporting seeing a creature that they called a large unknown animal in the water in 1867 the first newspaper account showed up of river rafters seeing uh what they thought was peppy in the water. So for all the descriptions are all pretty much the same. So I'm just not reading them. So I'm not redundant. But in 1871, apparently at the Minnesota Historical Society, they have something called the Book of Days Almanac, which is basically the city's yearbook. Aww. And so check it out. That's cute. And apparently in the 1871 Book of Days Almanac, there is a report from two men that saw, quote, a marine monster between the size of an elephant and a rhinoceros.

What? Very specific. It's like only those two animals know. Yeah. Which moves through the water with great speed has gray skin and can snatch birds mid-air that's frightening so it's grown since yeah 1600s uh where am i blah blah oh yeah so now we're going to 1922 okay i'm just trying to cover the the main stories that people might have heard of. So in

1922, this one's my personal favorite. This guy named Ralph, he, yeah. It's our favorite too, apparently, already. I will tell my roommate named Ralph that everyone laughed at his name. That's true. So one guy named Ralph, he saw at his name. That's true. So one guy named Ralph, he saw Pepe gliding across the lake. This was 1922. Just saw him gliding across the lake. And his first thought was

if a large aquatic creature, this is a quote, if a large aquatic creature can skim across the water's surface, why can't I? What? That sounds like a Disney song. So a few months later, he invented water skiing. What the fuck? Are you being serious? And the area that this lake is in

is called the birthplace of water skiing. And the area that this lake is in is called the birthplace of water skiing. And the guy... So you guys know about that, but not the freaking giant monster that lives in there? And that same guy, Ralph, he did actually invent water skiing. Yeah, I heard. They're really excited about it. But apparently, I mean, I'm imagining it's kind of like a lore, a local lore, that like that's how he came up with water skiing.

I want to do that too. I want to be just like Peppy. Don't we all? So in 1983, a girl named Shelly, when she was 14, she was water skiing. Because apparently that's where you fucking do this now. And she experienced the monster. She said, quote, it came up right next to the ski boat. It scared me to death.

The lake monster was black as night and longer than the boat, probably 20 or 30 feet long with scales. So people are very just guessing the size at this point, between a leg, an elephant, and 20 feet. Another guy named Steve was on a boat. Steve. Steve. Steve.

Steve and Ralph. And Steve, he was quoted saying, while on the boat up ahead, I thought I saw a tree. We got closer, maybe 50 to 75 yards from it, and I saw at least 20 feet of it out of the water. It was greenish with a cast of yellow. I distinctly remember three humps with one hump looking like

the head. So like a little locked as well? I don't really understand what Steve saw, but... I don't know if Steve understood what Steve saw. I don't know either. It was maybe a tree, but then it was like three humps. Interesting. I don't think Steve knows what a tree, but then it was like three humps. Interesting.

I don't think Steve knows what a tree is. No. There is, I mean, there's several reports of people seeing this monster, but one in particular that I liked was there's a guy who still works by the lake and offers pontoon boat tours. And after he saw the monster, he no longer allows his guests to go swimming. Oh, my God. Like at the lake.

He's like, well, I know you came here for that, but no. Oh, okay. Might as well take the swim trunks off because you're, enjoy your sad dry day at the lake. Boaters have also reported being attacked or having their boats attacked um by first hearing

loud knocks on the bottom of the boat and then it being violently pushed back and forth until the entire boat is swinging as if it's in the middle of a storm in 2004 a quote massive home creature with a long neck was photographed uh and it's believed to be peppy and apparently that picture is pretty popular now um and it hangs in a lot of restaurants near there apparently they don't know much about it there was there was one guy who it's a long basically there's a pizzeria in one of the stories that i was going to cover and in the pizzeria they have like photoshopped nessie into like a pizza pie or something so if you see that let me know because that sounded great um i don't even know if that

place is open but they made sure in the news article to like mention that so uh in 2009 investigators uh hosted a scuba peppy hunt. Oh, my. This sounds dangerous. Okay. Where they all got together and wanted to go scuba diving and hunt for peppy. And they brought all their underwater cameras and sonar equipment and just wanted to see what they could find. And actually, footage from this event has now been used on the Discovery Channel for shows talking about peppy.

Okay. Pretty legit. What is the footage? It's nothing great. Sorry. I will, because I wanted to see like, oh, did they catch something? It's not really. They caught the hunt. They're hunting them, hanging out.

Underwater. Anyway, moving on. So, the main scuba diver on the hunt he his sonar equipment indicated that under the ship was a large object probably 30 feet long and six feet wide 35 feet below so he got out of the boat and went to go look for it and he said as soon as he was down there he didn't feel like he was alone. And then something enormous swam by him and then took off. And when it took off, it swam

so fast away from him that it caused water turbulence and he got caught under the water in a vortex. From it swimming, from it being so powerful. So it had to be pretty big. He... Oh. I like. He... Oh. Sorry. Oh, no, it's okay. He did say, whatever it was, it was bigger than me. This was nothing like any fish I've ever seen. And around 2000, so this is

a couple years back, but this is a big chunk of the story, so I want to make sure I cover it. a couple years back, but this is a big chunk of the story, so I want to make sure I cover it. There's a guy named Larry Nielsen, and apparently he saw a peppy two different times in his life. The first time, oh, this part, this story, the first story was around 2000, so that's why we're going back. He said, the lake was smooth as glass, and I saw a single wave about 100 feet long and about two feet high, but there was no boats around to cause it. Something was making it, but what it was, I don't know for sure. We watched it for a few minutes and couldn't figure out what it might be. A lot of people have seen things like that around here. So he just all of a sudden just saw something like 100 feet long

just moving around in the water. And he was like, that's weird. Larry. And he was like, well, I'll ignore that. So then nine years later, he then saw what he thought was a log in the water. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it started very quickly moving upstream. And that was when he was convinced that what he saw was peppy because he was convinced it was a log. But it didn't look like any other animal he'd ever seen.

And it just swam off. So being a member of the Lake City Tourism Bureau, Sure, of course. he decided to take advantage of his experiences. As he would. As he would. And so because of him, the town is now offering a $50,000 reward to anyone providing, quote,

undisputable evidence that proves the existence of Pepe. Oh, my God. Out of his own pocket, too. He's like, I didn't keep this in here, but he said something like, oh, yeah, well, it's like not that much. And I was like, how fucking much money does Larry make? What is Larry doing in this lake? I was like, you're just gonna hand it

out give me i want it so just to kind of help bring people into the town he was like okay let's just give them 50 grand if they can find anything so okay okay all right sounds good lair i'll find it let's go swimming so either the one of the two things that would qualify is either a photo that has been proven to be undoctored or a skin or scale sample that must be verified by biologists at University of Minnesota as a previously uncatalogued creature. So if you can get either of those, you got yourself 50K. It's on. got yourself 50k it's on the rule the reward offer brought in hundreds of emails from newspapers television and radio programs and everyone was saying that anytime that they've ever been to lake pep and they thought they saw something and he was like okay great but like i'm not going to give you fifty thousand dollars you gotta show me give me that scale i need proof yeah give me

but so it just it all of a sudden, overnight, tourism got really big in the area. And Discovery Channel and the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation both filmed there for monster destinations and monsters and mysteries in America. Cool. Apparently, the town even decided to go above and beyond with the tourism, and they've now planted, quote, official peppy watch stations. now planted, quote, official peppy watch stations. So when you go to the lake, not only is it literally meant to be like for the gram so you can take a good insta,

but it's like apparently the best spots where you can look at the water and like That is wild. Okay. But so you can also look for peppy. So. Good for Larry. He's doing a good job marketing. Yeah. Oh, in fact, he did so

well in marketing that he won an award from Explore Minnesota Tourism. So, Larry's excited. Larry's a, what a guy. Regardless of promoting

the cryptid or the town, Larry hopes that someone does find evidence purely because he still doesn't know what he saw those two times and he wants to shed some light on Peppy. Why doesn't he go find the freaking evidence?

Who's going to give him 50 grand? That's the fastest reason for me to not do anything is if no one's going to pay me but I'd pay everyone else. So the only rule for getting evidence of Peppy is that he is not allowed to be hurt so hunters are forbidden.

People who are fishing with, I don't know, industrial rods or something, you're not allowed to hurt Pepe. Industrial rods. Isn't that what fishing people do? No? No. Okay. You mean like the spears? Oh, that's industrial for sure. Yeah. Just a big

old knife. We do a lot of fishing back in Hollywood. Yes. Yesterday I said home run when talking about football. So. It's gone really well so far. So I'm not quite the sportsman. Not quite.

So the only rule is that Pepe cannot be hurt, which is very nice. Yes. And here are the theories of what Peppy might actually be. So, obviously it could be a hoax. It could be people misidentifying waves or logs. No. Come on. Which is not the case, I can assure you.

I've decided. Right. People also think it could be an otter. Aw. An otter? I don't know an otter a snake an eel a dead tree maybe that guy was right steve maybe it looks like a tree it could be uh it could also be a whale in a lake okay i think that might be less likely than a peppy monster or whatever. It could also be

a long-necked seal. Okay. Okay. It could also be a pleosaur. Okay. Oh, hell yeah. I think that's what it is. Apparently the last dinosaur on Earth may or may not be with you. Guys, that would be so cool, though.

I mean, come on. That would be so cool. I mean, that'd be bananas you. Guys, that would be so cool, though. I mean, come on. That would be so cool. I mean, that would be bananas cool. But, like, I'm going to hold off on, like, the proof for that one. Yeah. They also think you could actually legitimately be either a bull shark or an alligator gar that has somehow slipped into the lake. Because apparently those...

So, where was I? A bull shark? Okay, you guys know what a bull shark is. Great. An alligator gar, which I didn't know, is 8 to 10 feet long, 300 pounds, has a double row of teeth. Yikes. What the fuck? And both alligator gars and bull sharks have actually been found

in this lake. Oh, okay. So even though they're not meant to be in lakes, uh-oh. So maybe Larry was right not letting you swim in there, I guess. Someone was up to good thinking.

And that was only like one or two freak times decades ago, but because it has happened before, they think it could have happened again. So I don't want to make people stop swimming there. I do. This just seems dangerous. Listen to Larry, please.

It's up to you. Choose your own adventure. Just don't sue us is all I have to say. Right. So at one point, it is believed that, or not at one point. How do I say this? So I guess, okay, so at one point, the most believed theory is that this was just an oversized sturgeon

because sturgeons are very, very large. They look prehistoric. They look like little dinosaurs. And they live up to over 100 years, which would make sense why so many people have seen it throughout time. Oh, my. And they grow up to be around 8 feet tall and 200 pounds. So it's large.

It's a big boy. But because the environment is such shit these days, they have taken a toll. Don't. Ooh. No. We know it has. It's taken a toll on the sturgeons in the lake,

and nowadays they only get up to maximum 40 pounds. What? So it's not likely that what people are seeing are sturgeons anymore because they don't look like they used to. They're little boys now. They're little baby boys, like a geow. Oh. Oh, so sweet.

Oh, baby. Okay. The poor people who got dragged here okay what is happening like is geo a human okay i like to tell people that he's our upstairs our elderly upstairs neighbor and then he certainly acts like really confused yeah i sound like i'm weirdly in love with our neighbor okay uh so there are some weird fish that it could also be that have actually been in the lake before,

including a paku. P-A-C-U. They're apparently found in the Amazon and they're related to piranhas. Oh. And those have been found in that lake.

Apparently it could also be a long-billed paddlefish or it could be a carnivorous flathead catfish. Oh my God. All of which have been in that lake. This is why I don't fucking go swimming. Yeah, what the fuck? So Peppy could potentially be any of those,

although it is very unlikely because none of them are the right size. Some people believe that Pepe could be an alien. I believe that, yes. Because it borders with Wisconsin, which happens to be the UFO capital of the entire world. Oh, shit. Don't boo.

You have the last dinosaur. It's okay. You can both have your thing. Aliens and dinosaurs, and this lake is right down the middle, so you're fine. You can both have your thing. Aliens and dinosaurs, and this lake is right down the middle, so you're fine. You can both have your thing. And so a lot of people think that because there is significant UFO activity,

it might be an alien, which, sure. Yep. At this point, it's not the most crazy thing I've said yet. That's true. No matter what the creature is, it is pretty much well assumed at this point across the board that Peppy is a vegetarian. So sweet. Because he's never attacked a person that we know.

So if he's never attacked a person, he clearly is not interested in biting us. What about the boats that he attacks? He eats boats, but that's not meat. I guess that's true. What about all those people that went missing? I think they were actually missing and someone was covering it up. Using him as a scapegoat.

People have also said that Peppy is a shy creature and so it just further proves that he's not going to bite you because he doesn't like being around people. Can relate. Yeah.

Not with a biting thing, though. Right. Especially that. One thing people have discovered is that Pepe. You ready? Has a weakness for alcohol. As do many here. Is this an intervention?

Christine, I think you are peppy. No. I brought all your closest friends. So apparently, so hang in there. I'm aware of how stupid what I'm about to say is. Oh, great. When alcohol is involved on the lake, peppy reports skyrocket. It's like, well, yeah. But it has helped with tourism. And so they say, like, if you get really drunk, you might also see a scary dinosaur. And people are like, let's go.

So mostly they are probably drunk people that are seeing a lake monster that does not actually exist. But there is a quote from Larry himself saying, it seems like he comes around more when there is alcohol. The only thing we can deduce is that he must like the smell. Or maybe he wants a little pour out. That's the only thing we can deduce, yes. So although there's no solid evidence outside of the stories that people have told, many people believe that the monsters exist, including, there's one guy named Chad Lewis. He wrote a book called Peppy, the Lake Monster of the Mississippi River. And he tried very, very hard to prove its existence,

and I did look up the reviews, and apparently people are raving about how well-researched it is, so I'm going to give my props there. He has been a paranormal encrypted investigator for 20 years, and usually he always tries to land on the fence of 50-50, maybe something's real, maybe it's not. He doesn't want to judge it, but also he tries to go by facts. However, he does think that with all the testimony

and archive documents that he's found of Pepe, it's most likely 75-80% true that Pepe could exist, which is something that he's never said before. Okay. He is quoted saying, this is probably the first time ever I thought something pushed

me above the 50-50 mark. This is based on the quality and believability of the stories ranging all the way back from the 1600s through the early natives all the way until today. People still reporting that they see it. Larry. And if you...

Larry only. And drunk people. And drunk people. And he does say in an interview that if you want to report a sighting yourself, you can email him at chadlewis44 at hotmail.com. Yep, I knew it. It's like we're either going Netscape or Hotmail here.

It was one of the two. His personal Zanga. Yeah, angelfire.net. So the basics everyone can agree on is that Pepe is a massive, harmless water creature that also happens to most often be seen under an area called Maiden Rock. So Maiden Rock has its own little fun story, which I'm going to tell you real quick. Maiden Rock was named after a young native woman named Winona, but some of the... Okay.

Winona, is that you? And her posse is here tonight. Some stories call her Princess Winona, but then when I was researching it, they were like, well, there was no royalty names like that. It was basically us whitewashing it and being horrible and calling her princess. So, Winona. So, Winona's parents arranged a marriage for her, but she loved someone else.

She tried to get out of it, but her parents refused to listen to her, and they demanded that she get married to the man she did not love. One day, while everyone was out hunting porcupines... I've been there. I had to read it, so you had to hear it so so everyone was out hunting porcupines and they turned around she wasn't with everyone and they saw her on the edge of a bluff oh god and she flung herself off while singing a death song a native death song

and died by suicide oh because she couldn't marry the one she wanted to. She was buried near the area, and it ended up being renamed Maiden Rock because she was a maiden, I guess. Yikes. Fun fact. Oh, God. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Winona is the namesake of Winona, Minnesota. There it is. Got it. And her father, Chief Redwing, is the namesake of Redwing, Minnesota. It's all making sense. It's all. You're learning so much about geography and lakes. So the bluff where she died is also apparently where Pepe is most often

seen. So I didn't see this anywhere, but I'm surprised there isn't the rumor that maybe it's like a reincarnation deal or something like that. But that's my personal... That'd be cool! She'd turn into a lake monster? Look, he can be a fucking alien, but I can't think that maybe he's a ghost.

Okay, okay. That's fair. But people do say that it is haunted by Winona's spirit, that whole area. People hear cries near the cliff that she jumped from. People allegedly hear her death song, which is really rough. You can hear people following you when you're there by yourself,

and you can see an apparition of a woman from the corner of your eye. Mm-mm. Nah. Some people also say that they hear whispering voices there by yourself and you can see an apparition of a woman from the corner of your eye. Some people also say that they hear whispering voices or they feel like they're getting touched by something. A porcupine. A porcupine. And what's a fun little mishmash of Maiden Rock and Pepe is that if you go to Lake Pepin, you can see Maiden Rock for yourself

while searching for Pepe because, I don't know if they're still doing this, but at least for several years, the entire town was hosting Pepe Fest. Stop. I love that. Which is in Lake City, Minnesota. Okay. Okay. Minnesota.

Okay. It's called the Peppy Para Fest, which is way fun. Love it. It is, quote, the world's largest lake monster hunt and festival. Probably the world's only, but it's the largest when you're the only one.

I'm so obsessed with this. Apparently, at the Peppy Parifest, there are speakers like Supernatural Investigators and Psychics. Also, you can get tarot card readings, crystal reads. Listen, somebody call them. Eva? I know. I didn't know I ever needed to come to Minnesota more,

but here we are. Eva, call somebody. Call Peppy. Call Larry. Call Larry. Call Larry and put us in there. So we have tarot card and crystal reads. There's also cryptozoologists that give lectures. There's animal whispers so we could bring the baby gene.

Oh, fuck yeah. I'm in. We can have Junie's howling assessed. I'm not kidding. It's like blood curdling. The animal whisperer would be like, he seems aggravated. Plus they give lectures on Pepe's history.

The event also has fun things for kids like face painting, live music, food, drinks, games. And they also, for the entire day, it's like from 10 to 10. It's like a whole Bananagrams event. They have walking tours. They have day and night boat cruises throughout the lake.

I don't want that night one. And they also have a haunted Maiden Rock cruise. Oh, come on. Super duper fun. Yeah. There is one paranormal group that apparently has gone a few times called SIM, which stands for Supernatural Investigators of Minnesota. And the founder of that group has been quoted saying, there's things that are in the depths. Larry.

What? Someone said, oh, Larry. Oh. No, this guy's name's Jerry. Is it actually? Larry and Jerry. Is it actually? I'm not kidding oh my god

larry jerry and steve i this is the best children's book i've ever heard uh so jerry uh-huh said he's the founder of sim right he when he was asked about peppy i don't know if he was oh he's the one that leads um a whole other paranormal thing at that pizza place with the with the you know you know the thing at that pizza place with the, with the, you know, you know, the thing, you know,

the thing. So he was asked about Pepe and he said, there's things that are in the depths of the water that we have not even come close to discovering. So I believe that there's a possibility that Pepe does exist here. So that is the story of Pepe, the monster of Lake Peppa. Yay.

Aw. Peppy, the monster of like Peppa. Yay! Aww. I feel like, I'm sorry it wasn't so spooky. It was more like innocent and pure compared to like the gruesome deaths I usually cover. But anyway. It's a vegetarian. It was Peppier. Oh my god. I love Peppy was, Peppy's a vegetarian. It was peppier. Oh my God.

I love, peppy was, peppy's the best. All right, guys. Are you ready to stop laughing and just feel sad? Superb. It's always a fun,

like immediate halt. Like, oh, laugh, laugh, laugh. Now don't laugh anymore. Enough. Okay. Oh, laugh, laugh, laugh. Now don't laugh anymore. Enough. Okay. Hello, Minneapolis. I have a murder story for you today. Woohoo!

Okay, so this, guys, is the story of if you don't, again, I don't know if you know it, just maybe, let's pretend. Okay. Harry Hayward and the murder of Kitty Ging. I told you to pretend. Nobody's pretending.

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Real quick, my sources, because I have developed this fear that I'm going to get sued. City Pages, your local source. A cool blog I found called MurderByGaslight.com. Highly recommend. And, of course, Wikipedia, which I owe them my firstborn.

Is that all your sources? Yes. I would also like to give my sources because I also have that fear. Whatever is on the first three pages of Google when you type in Pepe, Minnesota. Yeah. I should really just start doing that.

That's probably easier. Please don't sue me. It's all alleged and I'm stupid. I'd rather say it before a court does. All right. Let's go. So, Harry Hayward. He's born in Illinois, but I promise he comes here.

I promise. It's always a fun caveat. Disappointment. Born in Illinois in 1865, but moved with his family to Minneapolis when he was only one year old. And his childhood was not super great. He was a problem child

times ten. He was a violent bully. He enjoyed brutalizing his classmates and torturing small animals. Yeah. We start off strong, and I'm very sorry. Did you have fun earlier, though? Yeah.

Was that good? Good. I'm sorry that I'm... Hold on to that for the next half hour. Sorry that I'm ruining it for you. He seemingly had no conscience and had zero concern of how his acts would affect others. He went to Catholic school. What up?

his acts would affect others. He went to Catholic school. What up? But according to a Roman Catholic priest who apparently served as his spiritual director, which I never got one of those, but I could sure use one. Thank you. According to this Catholic priest, he understood the difference between right and wrong, but chose to do evil anyway. That was his assessment. The priest said, describing his time with Hayward, he said, all was vague and shadowy. Like, what the hell does that even mean? What? I don't know. It's like the first sentence of a memoir. Yeah. Dark and stormy night. Right. Okay, so when Hayward graduated from high school, he decided to start a life of gambling instead of get a job.

He stated that his God was always money. Okay. So his spiritual director didn't do a very good job, I guess. Well, his father was a wealthy real estate mogul, so he was able to live off his dad's fortune. So that's what he did. He basically just traveled the U.S. and gambled and traveled and gambled and slept with a lot of women.

So there's that. Okay. Okay. He was extremely egotistical, very vain, but also very charming. So he was very good at wooing the ladies. I see. You know.

Oh, yeah. You know. Oh, yeah, me and all four of my girlfriends have ever had, yeah. He was known to pick a woman at the start of the night, then exchange her for a prettier one. Oh, shit. Then a third. And on and on

until he found the one he liked best and would take her home. Imagine if after this whole story came out and like you're reading this in the paper and you were the person he met at like 4 p.m. Yeah. And you're like oh. Oh shit. But also whoo.

But also good. Thank God. I don't know. He described it as just being fickle. So I guess that's a good excuse if you need one. Okay. When gambling, he liked to start the night with at least $1,000 in his pocket. And today that's about $25,000.

So he was very wealthy. That's a cool amount of money. That's a cool sum. He would either usually double it or lose it all by the end of the night. So he would just basically play until daylight, and it was either all gone or he had doubled it. Fast forward to the 1890s. Hayward's now in his 30s,

and he's living in a downtown Minneapolis building owned by his father. And the building was at the corner of Hennepin and 13th Street. Oh. See? I hear you. I hear you. I looked it up on Google Earth, and it's still there. I don't know if the building's the same, but... The street exists.

The street's still there. I took a little peek-a-roo. There's a little coffee shop over there. It looks kind of adorable. I could see in the windows. They blurred everyone's faces, but... Oh, wow. I took a little peek-a-roo. There's a little coffee shop over there. It looks kind of adorable. I could see in the windows. They blurred everyone's faces, but... Oh, wow. A little espresso shop, if you're interested.

So that's where he lived. The population of Minneapolis at the time had tripled over the last 10 years, so it was becoming the booming city that it is today with all your sky tunnels, whatever. I'm not going to say it right. Don't stop it. The more you tell me to say it a certain way,

the less I'm going to do it. It's like in the office when Michael Scott created Tube City. Tube City. You guys did that. It's just on a grander scale. Just own it. Own it. I know.

It is cold. Believe me. We know. Okay. So he lives in this building. One of Hayward's neighbors in this building was a man named Klaus Blixt. I don't know why that's his name, but that's his name. Klaus Blixt. He was a Swedish laborer and Hayward would often visit him in his basement apartment. Another of his neighbors was 29-year-old dressmaker Catherine Kitty Ging. He charmed Kitty into believing he was in love with her, and then he conned her into loaning him $10,000.

And then he repaid her in counterfeit money and gambled away all her real money that she had loaned him. But he had told her that he was in love with her and that they were going to be together and get married. But he was not done with her yet. Hayward convinced Kitty to take out two life insurance policies with him as a beneficiary. And then he went to his older brother, Audrey,

and asked him to kill Kitty for him. And his brother was like, no, I will not do that. And so he's like, all right. So he went to his friend Klaus Blixt, you know, our friend in the basement. So he went to Klaus and through a combination of threats and bribes, Hayward convinced Klaus that he had to kill Kitty. He told Klaus, okay, so this is kind of an upsetting quote, and I'm sorry in advance. He told Klaus she had to die because quote, every time I go up to her room, she puts her arms around me

and I would like to put a knife in the goddamn bitch. If there was a dog and her, I would rather shoot her and let the dog go. Oh. Yeah, that one really startled me awake when I was researching this in the middle of the night.

Oh, my. Okay. Yeah, that's rough. Klaus was like, no, I don't want to do this. Please, thank you. Goodbye. And Hayward said, well, then I'm going to murder your wife. Oh.

Wow, he gets what he wants. Oh, my God, I'm going to murder your wife. Oh. Wow. He gets what he wants. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's horrible. It's horrible. So Klaus was like, shit, I guess I got to do it. Oh.

I guess. So being forced to be a murderer. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yikes. So the plan was set. And on December 3rd, 19, nope, not 1984.

That's wrong. 1894. There it is. Not quite the right century. 1894. Hayward instructed Klaus to pick up Kitty in a horse and buggy. That would have been fun if it was 1984, though. That would have been much more interesting.

When it was like a novelty. Yeah, much more interesting story. Okay, so Hayward instructed Klaus to pick up Kitty in a horse and buggy. He then gave him a gun and a bottle of whiskey, and he instructed him to drink it all. Okay. Meanwhile,

he told Kitty he would rendezvous with her later near Lake Calhoun, which I'm told has now been renamed its original Dakota name. Is that correct? And I'm gonna try to say it. Is it Bidet Makaska? Bidet Makaska? Okay. I had to go digging for this information. I didn't want to say it wrong. It's been renamed its original Dakota name recently. It was like a whole thing. When I went digging for it, I clicked on the Wikipedia and the head of the Wikipedia just said, help, colon, English.

And I was like, yes. Nailed it. Me, I need that. Thank you. So, okay. So that's where we are. So he told her he'd meet her at the lake. And instead, he went to the opera with a new lady friend that he had met.

Oh no. So he just was like, mm-mm. Turned his phone off. Bye. Meanwhile, Klaus and Kitty drove down the road and Klaus, indeed having drunk all of the whiskey, pulled the gun out, pressed it behind Kitty's ear

and fired. Behind the ear? Yeah. Did she ear? Yeah. Did she die? Uh-huh. Okay. Jeez. I mean, okay.

Yep. He then pulled up to the intersection of Excelsior and Lake Street. Also, I'm mentioning all these things because I like when people cheer. It's hard to get cheers during my story, and so I say... It's hard to get cheers during my story. It's a lot of pandering. I say local places in the hopes that someone will get excited for a second.

Yay. Street names that you know. Well, he pulled up to that intersection and pushed her body out of the carriage. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And then he sped away as fast as you can speed away in a carriage,

I guess. Right. He went all three miles an hour. Oh, boy. So then Hayward is still at the fucking opera, and when his opera's over, he heads home only to find his apartment building crawling with cops and he had such a bad reputation in town that he was almost immediately singled out as the

main suspect and the mayor of Minneapolis demanded he be questioned because the mayor of Minneapolis did not like him and was like he had something to do with this but Hayward of course was like no no i've been at the opera all evening and he was so dozens of people had seen him at the opera got it so he had quite the alibi and he thought he'd he thought he had gotten away with it but then police received a letter dun dun dun oh boy so remember uh hayward's brother audrey who was like no, no, I'm not going to kill Kitty for you. Uh-huh. Yeah, so he had actually gone to his lawyer to be like,

yo, my brother just asked me to kill this woman. Is there anything we can do? And the lawyer's like, you're being dramatic. He's not going to actually kill this woman. Uh-huh, okay. And then the woman dies. Right, moving on. And then the lawyer's like, oh, police?

Yeah, I guess I already knew about this. Oops. So the lawyer's like, oh, police? Yeah, I guess I already knew about this. Oops. So the brother's like, yeah, no, he asked me to be the hitman first and then went to this other guy. So now they have enough to put Hayward on trial for first-degree murder, and the trial was hugely sensational. I feel like all trials back then in, like, the 1900s were. All sensational, yeah. All sensational.

It lasted 46 days. It consisted of a total of 136 witnesses. Oh my God. 5,000 people gathered to watch the trial. That is sensationalized for sure. The main witnesses were Hayward's brother and of course Klaus. And oddly enough on the stand,

Hayward decided that his story was that his brother was the murderer all along. And that didn't really work at all. And nobody bought that. So he was sentenced to death by hanging. Okay. Yes. Klaus pled guilty and received a life sentence for actually pulling the trigger.

However, initially his defense team tried to argue that he had been hypnotized by Hayward. Hypnotized? Oh. That didn't work either, clearly. They said he had either been hypnotized or mesmerized, and I was like, I don't know what the difference is. They're the same. Could be one or the other. Hayward maintained his innocence almost until the end,

saying he had nothing to do with Kitty's murder. Then the evening before his execution was to take place, he agreed to give a complete confession to a reporter and a court stenographer. In a shocking twist, Harry Hayward confessed not only to Kitty's murder, but to three more

murders as well. Oh my. The first of his victims was a 20-year-old sex worker whom he met in Pasadena, California, of all places. That's where you used to live. I used to live there, yes. He claimed to have lured her into a remote location in the Sierra Madre Mountains,

shot her in the back of the head and buried her in the woods, and then made off with the $7,000 that she had as her life savings, basically. Oh, no. Then he also said he had fatally shot a consumptive, a.k.a. someone with consumption. Oh! That's a new one. TB? TB? Your favorite.

Tuberculosis? Yeah. A consumptive is, I guess, what that was called. Well, that's me. Yeah. But for different reasons. Em does not have tuberculosis, by the way. For people who got dragged here and for people who have just not heard that episode or people who just choose to neglect it.

The first time I ever heard consumption I did not know meant tuberculosis. I just thought it meant you died from being so full. From eating. And that's not even like a joke. Em was like, I don't understand. And I was like, I fucking had that. I was like, I've been there. It sucks. Em is my favorite

consumptive. I'm a proud consumptive. I'll probably have it again one day. I know. Probably tonight. Probably tonight. After we go to that Loch Ness pizza place. There it is. Yeah. So da da da. So he also claimed to have fatally shot, sorry, a consumptive, aka someone with consumption, near Long Branch, New Jersey, robbed him of $2,000 and disposed of his body in the river. And finally, his most brutal murder, I am so sorry, plug your ears, maybe, happened at a gambling joint in New York. He and a man from China had gotten into an altercation over a card game, so Hayward knocked him over, kicked him in the stomach, then picked up a wooden chair,

put the... This is really bad. Put the chair through the man's eye and then sat on the chair. Oh, my word. Oh, my word. Oh my word. I'm sorry. I...

I don't believe it. He later said with a chuckle, his skull was kind of thin. What a mofo. Bravo, Christine. You got the shock of the night. You win. My poor therapist.

Okay. Your poor therapist, truly. How was work today? Eh, just learned about a chair going through an eye. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Okay. He also admitted that he'd plotted to kill several people,

including his father, his brother Audrey, and countless unpleasant women he had encountered. Oh, my God. What a jerk. Okay. While on death row, Hayward attempted to hire a hitman to kill a journalist who wrote bad things about him in the newspaper. That didn't work either.

I don't really blame him. The newspapers gave him names like, quote, the most bloodthirsty soul ever to usurp the human frame. And this one's my favorite. The most cold-blooded murderer that ever walked

God's footstool. Oh my. What the fuck? God's footstool. Are we all on God's footstool. Oh my. What the fuck? God's footstool. Are we all on God's footstool? I guess so. How do we move from that? That would have made Sunday school way more fun. Yeah.

I've never heard that. He also seduced a woman through the mail while on death row. That's a skill. And he was able to finagle conjugal visits with her somehow i don't know he even filed this is ridiculous he even filed for the insurance claims on kitty's life the ones that he had her take out with his name on them and they were like are you kidding me absolutely not obviously uh according to a true crime author named harold schchter, who specializes in serial killers,

Hayward displayed many traits that we now know are typical of serial murderers, including overweening narcissism, juvenile sadism, pyromania, and a total lack of empathy for other human beings. Interestingly, he also seems to have suffered from convulsions as an adolescent, possibly as a result of a head injury, which we know is often found in the background of many serial killers, frontal lobe damage. Around midnight that night, so he confessed all this to the court stenographer, et cetera. Then that night, so this was the night before his execution.

So that night, he was visited by members of the clergy, and because, you know, he's Catholic, technically speaking. He said he didn't care for religion and was perfectly content facing death without it. And yet, he promised one of the men, named John Day Smith, that he would publicly proclaim his faith in Jesus Christ from the scaffold before he was hanged. So they were like, alright, cool, we converted him, last minute. Woo! We did it!

And then all the Catholics high-fived. Woohoo! They did one of those, like, good game, good game, good game. Good game at the footstool, good game at the footstool. Moments later, he was clothed in a black robe and cap and led to the gallows by the Hennepin County Sheriff. Yes, I hear their lovely gallows. As he walked toward the scaffold, he cheerfully shouted,

Good evening to all the spectators. Keeping it charming. He then requested three cheers for himself. Oh, my God. He was asked if he had any last words, and he said yes. And he had a lot. He had a lot of last words. Many, any last words and he said yes and he had a lot a lot of he had a lot of last words many many last words he gave a long and wordy speech he cracked dozens of jokes about his upcoming death uh upcoming like in the next 30 seconds

he did however keep his promise to John Day Smith about proclaiming his faith in Jesus, technically, sort of. He said, quote, John is a religious man. I told him I would pledge him what he asked of me. And it was this. Oh, God, for Christ's sake, forgive me for my sins. And then John Day Smith fainted. Oh, my gosh. And then John Day Smith fainted.

Oh my gosh. He then continued with his rambling and his joking until the sheriff finally cut him off and ordered him to die like a man. Okay. They put the noose around his neck, tied his hands back, and his last words were, pull her tight, I'll stand pat. And fun fact, stand Pat is a poker term, which means to play the cards you were dealt

without drawing any new cards. Interesting, interesting. Interesting, yes. At 2.12 a.m., the trap swung open, but they had mismeasured the height of the... Don't you hate when that happens? Yeah. So Hayward was not pronounced dead until 2.25, 13 minutes later.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, boy. Hayward's body was autopsied, and fun fact, his brain, I've got a lot of those for you today, his brain weighed in at 3.4 pounds. Wow. AKA 55 ounces if you're from a country that uses normal measurements. Back then, apparently, some criminologists believed that criminals were literally a distinctive humanoid type.

Like they were a different type of human. And that their skull shape identified them. were literally a distinctive humanoid type. Like, they were a different type of human. Oh. And that their skull shape, like, identified them. So they studied his skull, and the doctors ruled that, based on his skull, Hayward was, quote, a degenerate biological phenomenon somewhat below the savage and above the lunatic.

I'm like, maybe they were onto something. I don't know. Yeah, that doesn't sound wrong. Yeah. That sounds like something I can get by. Yeah. Okay, so now there's a little fun conspiracy theory here for you. Oh, yes.

Which obviously we all love. Everyone who was dragged here was like, no, I don't want that. Everyone's like, they're like so close to getting up and then we keep making them sit down. Just a minute. Okay, conspiracy theory. up and then we keep making them sit down. Just a minute. Okay. Conspiracy theory. According to researcher Walter Trenary, after Harry Hayward's death, rumors began to spread that he had been

secretly resurrected by a secret society. Ooh. Wait, I love that. I know. I hate that. When researching Kitty Ging's murder during the early 1960s, Trenary heard claims that the Freemasons'

Grand Lodge of Minnesota had resurrected Harry Hayward from the dead. I don't know why they would do that, though. Like, resurrect someone else, please. Yeah. We don't want this guy back. Okay, so now this is the quote. So that's what this guy Trenary kept hearing, that like, oh, maybe the Freemasons resurrected this guy Harry.

The quote is, Trenary, however, expressed, sorry, English is not my first language, hang on. So, so sorry. Trenary, however, expressed skepticism that Hayward could have survived both hanging and dissection. I was like, yeah. Skepticism, yeah.

He could have survived it. What are you talking about? Stupid. Sorry. I just can't get over this. Okay. Conspiracy theory. All right.

As for Kitty King, so she didn't get enough screen time, I don't think, in my story. So I want to say a little tiny thing about her. So she was single, childless,

financially independent with her own dressmaking business, which was extremely... That's right. Okay. I know. She was a badass.

She was a total badass. Yeah. Yeah. That was obviously extremely abnormal for Yeah! Yeah. Yeah. That was obviously extremely abnormal for a woman at the time. She was a cool, cool lady. After her death, these priests, these fucking priests.

Thanks, priests. This fucking priest says, okay, so she was a member of this parish, and then after her death, her priest, like the priest at her parish, used her story as a cautionary tale and preached about the dangers of young women

rejecting the domestic sphere. Oh, fuck off with that. Fuck off. Wait, let me finish. Hold on. The dangers of young women rejecting the domestic sphere where they properly belonged. There.

You don't want to end up like Kitty. If that guy were here today, he'd be like, he would not know how to handle the world. No, no. Oh, no. We should Ouija board him later. Nope. Okay. Anyway.

Nope. Right. later nope okay anyway uh right after kitty's death uh her memory lived on her twin sister moved to minneapolis to take over the dressmaking business and successfully ran it for decades and yay and in 2002 a minneapolis soccer field was named kitty ging green in her honor very cool uh as for harry hayward um i think it's best expressed by his jailer john west who said green in her honor. Very cool. As for Harry Hayward, I think it's best expressed by his jailer, John West, who said, all that remains of Harry Hayward, the Minneapolis murderer, is a handful of ashes

and that is enough. And that's the story of Harry Hayward. Thank you. Thanks, guys! I know it was kind of old-timey, but I thought it was creepy. I liked it. I like when thanks priests make sense. Yeah.

We don't get to use that one very often. Thank you guys for having us, first of all. We're so honored. Thank you, Minneapolis. Thank you. We love you.