And That's Why We Drink - E2 Clotheseline Cookies and the Lone Band-Aid

Episode Date: February 15, 2017

In episode two, Em and Christine discuss the insanely haunted Whaley House in San Diego and the just plain insane serial killer Robert Durst. And that’s why we drink!

okay and we are back baby are we we're recording again episode two it's i'm so glad i agreed to two of these yes after this i'm out of here is just your podcast. This is the second and final episode? No, it is not. This is the other 50%. Please stay. Please stay so maybe there's a third episode in the works. All right. Welcome to And That's Why We Drink. Welcome.

I got the title right this time. You did, and I'm so proud of you. I'll mess it up again. You had an entire week to work on it. Sure, yeah. I'll still find a way to mess it up. I promise. I know. So what are you drinking tonight? More boxed wine, I presume. You know, I tried to mix things up. It looks the exact same color as last week. Well, sure. But it is

slightly more expensive. You're lying. I am. But it comes from from a bottle so it is a barefoot cabernet today that we've got um barefoot my mother drinks barefoot you told me that once and every time i drink it i'm like oh shameless plug to barefoot she also drinks layer cake she loves layer cake i've never tried that but it freaks me out a little bit every time i go home i see layer cake on the counter interesting i i like and the next day it's all empty and my mother i can't find her i'm i'm not kidding please help her story is about where m went after the layer cake wine this week's mystery is find my mom she has an empty bottle of alcohol somewhere. This is an Amber Alert for Em's mother. Anyway, that's why I drink.

So that's why we all drink. And we have another awesome ghost and crime story for you today. And as per usual, Em and I have not shared. We haven't. What our stories are. Again, my name is, again, for the first time, my name is again for the first time my name is christine my name is christine oh that's weird well i'm confused whoops my name's m and i'm christine i'm team milkshake she's team all alcohol possible well cheap wine as much as one consume in a 24-hour period team christine must be really inexpensive and by mostly i mean only because i like i like your

your uh personality in the show because you represent every 20 something year old that i know oh how sad and unoriginal for me i think you're the more relatable one i'm i'm like i'm team like i represent like what you do after a breakup. I mean, you're just also really, I just consume ice cream every Saturday whenever we film a podcast. I just relate a lot to you, even though I'm not on your team. I don't have a milkshake every day. Like you put down a bottle of whiskey every day. I'm just trying to make you look bad with your parents.

My parents are going to be really displeased. And I also don't drink whiskey. I'm just kidding. She doesn't. She doesn't drink whiskey. It's all wine. I've already admitted to the cheap wine. The whiskey. That'll be me in like four days.

She's saying this with three empty boxes of wine next to her. That's why we didn't do a video series. You would just see Christina DeCornard every episode. The wall has deteriorated a little more. I'm kidding to her parents, but no one else. She's on only her fourth glass tonight. You're disappointing all four of my parents. It's okay.

I wouldn't say I'm disappointing anyone. I would, but... My mom would hear that I'm drinking a milkshake, and she'd be like, well, that's expected. Yeah, I don't know if my parents would be more disappointed that I was drinking milkshakes or wine. But, probably wine. At least I'm not getting drunk, but I am getting fat. Right. And I'm doing both at once.

Okay. Actually, did you know that there's now healthy wine, apparently? It's called Fit Wine. This isn't a sponsor or anything. I wish it was, but it's called fit wine i'm not this isn't a sponsor or anything just i wish it was but if we ever got sponsored by fit wine i wouldn't even be able to find you for the next for the next podcast you need an amber alert you you and my mother would end up on the news together the amber alert for me she's the one my mom's the one who taught me about fit wine it's supposed to i think it's just it's like a diet soda essentially it. It's like diet wine. See, I can't.

But I don't know if it tastes different. I should ask her because I got her fit wine for Christmas and she didn't. I eat like healthy ice cream, quote unquote, has a lot of protein in it. Ew. It's so good. It's called Halo Top. My mother, you and my mother are the exact same person. I swear to God, I went home and I went in the freezer looking for ice cream and there

was like six jars of Halo ice cream. Em, the reason I couldn't fit your milkshake in my freezer is because I have eight pints. I noticed. And I wasn't going to say a single thing because I went to go get my milkshake out for us to record. And I was like, is my mother here? I just see empty wine bottles and Halo ice cream everywhere. This is her dream apartment. I remind you of your mother.

That's the moral of the story. Unfortunately, maybe that's why I like you. Maybe you remind me of home. That's so sweet and weird. I love it. Well, here's the thing. If she ever knew about this apartment filled with wine and ice cream, she wouldn't even want to stay with me next time she visits. She'd be like, let's go to the one where I can get drunk and fat.

Let's go there. There is so much for you here with me. Come hang out. Yeah, I never, I don't keep ice cream in my freezer because now I'm just going to only drink milkshakes during these. can get drunk in fact let's go there there is so much for you here with me come hang out yeah i never i don't keep ice cream in my freezer because i now i'm just gonna only drink milkshakes during these and i don't i don't drink that's why i go for the milkshakes so i don't have alcohol so when she comes to visit she's like what fun do you even have no fun i make podcasts on saturday nights because i'm with friends don't tell everyone it's Saturday night. I meant Monday. Nobody needs to know that. This is just how we start the week,

not end it. It's casual. We had a really rager of a weekend, so we're here. Yeah, preparing for a podcast. On Monday. All right, so let's crack into it. I brought this handy dandy notebook to tell you something. Oh, tell me. I thought it would be fun if every episode I start us with a fact about wine and a fact about milkshakes. Oh, my God. I know. I'm ready. And funny enough, I'm not even kidding. Oh, wait.

No, I didn't write it, but I did look up fit wine earlier. Yeah, you did. And then I said, no, I'm going to go with this one instead. Okay. to go with this one instead. Okay. Um, there, so I did, this is USA Today. There's an article that millennials out drink every other generation in America. We drink almost half of the wine in America, almost 50%. We drink 42%. 40 of that percent is probably on this table right now. My bad guys. So millennials, according to USA Today, is there are 79 million millennials right now in America, which are 21 to 38 year olds. And we drank 160

million cases in one year. That's an average of two cases per person. Okay, so I feel like our parents' generation always blamed millennials for shit, but also you raised us. So like, where do you think we get these habits and addictions from? I agree. You're welcome. Okay. Also fun that you mentioned that because, uh, they also studied high frequency drinkers, which they considered people who drink three glasses per sitting.

And you've already done that twice. I'm kidding today uh but so anyone who's considered a high frequency drinker that's 30 of high frequency drinkers are millennials so even though we drink wow most of the alcohol in one year or almost most of the alcohol in one year only 30 of us are high frequency drinkers most of them are baby boomers i was about to say a bunch of the old probably because we can't survive or succeed or do anything they dreamed about and we make podcasts so they have to drink right and they have my mother i probably texted her and was like hey i moved to los angeles i'm not going to be a celebrity but i am going to

start a 21st century radio show and she was unscrewing that wine bottle before I even finished something. She was like, well, halfway through. She was like, and I've accomplished nothing with you. My parents were like, do you have an interview at a real job anytime soon? That's cute. We'll call and let you know. Are you ready for my milkshake fact, which is... Yeah, I feel like that'll be more fun and less depressing.

It's not depressing. I thought that was pretty interesting. Then again, I'm a third party because I don't drink wine. I was going to say, you're looking from the outside in all right milkshake fact there are two unofficial national holidays per year for milkshakes uh june 20th is vanilla milkshake by the way we're both gemini's so milkshake day is a gem well that's not fun for me because i hate vanilla milkshakes yeah i'll never have a vanilla milkshake while we're on like vanilla milkshake by the way i asked you what you were drinking.

You did not ask me what I'm drinking. Hey, what are you drinking today? Tonight, I'm going to have a nice dose of what I call an Oreo McFlurry. Oh, those are great. So June 20th is Vanilla Milkshake Appreciation Day. September 12th is Chocolate, which is my day. Oh. So you were-

I hope we record one on September 12th, because I'm going to go bananas. Well, we will now. So, my fun fact besides that was in 1885 was the, as far as we know, beginning of milkshakes. 1885? It goes back to 1885. The official one was in 1922, which is interesting to me because 22 is my lucky number. It was the beginning of a thing. It was meant to be.

In 1885, there are clippings from Britain newspapers that have recipes for milkshakes. But in 1885, in Britain, milkshakes were made with shots of whiskey. And that's why we drink. And that's why we drink. And that's why Christine's best life so far was in 1885 in Great Britain. That was my past life. And 1922 was the beginning of the official milkshake made by an employee from Walgreens. Oh.

And they were originally malt beverages. It was just milk and malt powder and chocolate syrup. Can you imagine if Walgreens sold milkshakes today? No. They only sell, like, Slim Fast. Well, this was basically Slim Fast. And then the way that it became a milkshake was he took his original recipe for a malt beverage and he added ice cream from the Walgreens ice cream corner, which Walgreens ought to bring back. Yeah, what the hell?

It's almost been 100 years since the milkshake, and I think Walgreens better start getting ready for their celebration. There is also a recipe online, which I will put on, I guess, our social media, for the original first 1922 Walgreens milkshake recipe. Walgreens milkshake. It sounds so unappealing, but I'm sure back then it was delicious. But there is a recipe for the original first milkshake that they made there. And if you want to find it. If you want to find it and make it yourself and sip along to this podcast. Snap us a photo of you enjoying.

We're so new, we'll literally talk about it if you post a picture of you with a milkshake. Oh, we will probably freak out. So yeah, check us out on social media. And that's why we drink. Twitter, Facebook. All right. Et cetera. Yep. And here we drink. Twitter, Facebook. All right. Et cetera. Yep.

And here we go. Why do we drink today? Let's see what we got. Today we drink. Personally, I'm not drinking for anything today except for the fact that I'm still not famous, which apparently, if you live in LA, you kind of want to be a little famous. Yeah. I feel like we did one episode and we're not famous. So, I feel like we've...

Mm-hmm. It's a slower... The confidence is plummeting. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I drink. Yeah. So, let's get into someone else's problems.

Oh, please. All right. My paranormal story today is... I'm going first, by the way. Okay. Just kidding. I like it when you go first. To compare yourself time all right well we'll do that so my paranormal story is also in california just like the last one was cool when i did the winchester mystery house in san jose this one is in san diego San Diego, San Diego, a whale's vagina. What?

It's an anchorman quote. Oh, let's edit that out. All right. Mom, I didn't say that. I didn't actually, I didn't create that on my own. Let's make that a disclaimer that I was quoting Will Ferrell. All right. Never mind.

That's why I drink. I found my personal story. So many reasons right san diego is uh i've never been to san diego i've been multiple times now i was there last week what the hell i lied to you i was in san clemente which is an hour closer to san diego than we are right now well i'll go somewhere all right except apparently haunted. Continue. It is. The Whaley House is actually known as America's most haunted house. Ooh. I've been there. I went there with the famous or soon to be Linda. Can you imagine if my mother gets famous out of this podcast and I don't?

She would love it. It's going to be your mother and my dog that get famous. And no one else. None of us. That'll be the million dollar picture when they meet. All right. So the Whaley House. Yeah. That'll be the million dollar picture when they meet. All right. So the Whaley House, it has been on every type of ghost TV show.

It's been on papers. It's the thing. It's the cat's meow. Amazing. One reporter all the way back in the 1800s said that it is, quote, destined to be haunted. And it's interesting to me that that was said in the 1800s. And it's still fitting. I always forget California's that old. Like, I know that it's...

I know. I feel like the rest of this country is... I mean, the country is pretty old. Yeah, but I forget that people were already out here in the 1800s. Yeah. I think, I mean, comparatively to me, America is so young. Sure. So when I hear, like, oh, wow, the 1800s, like, we made it a whole hundred years by then.

Yeah, good fact. Actually, not even if we're counting 1776. We've only been here for, like, 14 years. All right, let's get away from history. Actually, let's dive into the exact history of this story. Okay. Because you're going to need to hear it. I'm ready.

But I do think it's interesting that they said it's destined to be haunted 200 years ago to that and who said that in the 1800s who said uh it was some clipping when they were talking about hauntings even then and now and even in 2017 it's considered america's most haunted house so they were right a long time ago all right i don't have the exact year for you but i know it's it's around that that century i'll take it early 1800s um san diego the and right now because i did go there which is weird let's talk about that before i dive into the history yes um my so my mom and i went there um when she came to visit we went to san diego and So my mom and I went there when she came to visit.

We went to San Diego. And we went and maybe I think she probably had a little more fun than I did at certain parts. It just, to me, it was very much like a resort, the area we went to. And so we ended up walking on the streets. And there was a lot of, like, gift shops, like touristy stores that you go into where they've got like a bunch of t-shirts and stuff like that. And, uh, then we went to another section where this house ended up being, and it was on a street where there wasn't, like, it didn't look like it was meant for a historic house to be sitting there. This is also a national landmark, by the way, just like the mystery house was. Um,

but so my mom and I were walking around and we had just gotten tacos literally like across, like across the street. And everything looked like it was like just a bunch of Mexican restaurants. Right. Because we're right next to Mexico at that point. Right. We were walking around and this house just looked out of place like it just it was i mean it's an old house next to a bunch of like bumping hopping mexican restaurants yeah in a touristy

area and just like this like old house and i was like mom i don't know it's like and my mom knows i'm sensitive to that kind of stuff like i just kind of get like a gut feeling and we go with it i was like i we got to go over to that house. Like there's something over there. And I mean, I, for the viewers, I used to be in the paranormal investigation career path. I used to follow ghosts and get paid. She's pretty badass. And so I knew about the Whaley house my whole life. And I just, it never crossed my mind

that it was in San Diego. And so I felt like this draw to it. I was like, we have to go over there. And then I, there was a giant like national landmark sign that says, this is the Whaley house. And I was like, Oh, we have to go. I was like, whatever plans we had, we're canceling them and getting tickets to walk around in here. Amazing. And, um, so the property was originally a site for when San Diego was first thriving or beginning to it was the where the house sits now was the property um for specifically like public executions like when people would meet to do yeah when people would like me to do like hangings why did they used to

do that that was like a thing where people would be like oh bring your kids we're gonna watch them hang today i don't know or like pulled apart by ropes. Well, that was the middle ages. Well, here's a neat story for you about ropes. One of the most famous deaths there, his name was Jim Robinson. He was also known as Yankee Jim. What a name. Yankee Jim was getting hanged for attempted grand larceny. The tragedy with him, and the reason he's the most famous one to die here, is because when they hung him or hanged him, the rope was too long. And so it didn't snap his neck the right way. And so they don't have the exact number, but between 15 and 45 minutes, he hung there and strangled.

And they watched him. And there's a quote from a reporter from that day saying he swung like a pendulum until he died. And the whole town watched. Emily, I'm going to have nightmares. You know, if I, let's say we live in a world where that might happen. And I almost felt weird saying that because of the time we live in right now. But if it were to happen and you're watching it happen, just go yank on my legs. Just snap my frickin' neck.

Don't. Absolutely. That's what your friends do. Just snap my neck, why don't you? That's why we drink. And that's why we drink. So, one of the people who was a spectator at this execution was Thomas Whaley, who is the main character to my story.

A spectator at the execution. Like, he was one of the people who just brought popcorn and enjoyed his 45 minutes of watching someone else get tortured. Sounds fun. Um, he, so he saw multiple executions. Was that your dog or your boyfriend? My dog is crying because he has FOMO. Well.

He's at the door. We locked him in the other room. Um, so Thomas Whaley watched instead of he's like speaking whale. He does that. He does that when he wants attention because he thinks it sounds like a person. He tries to

make sounds like. God, that's the weirdest. I know. It's really weird. He's such a weird animal. Alright. Thomas whaley not only watched like multiple executions but watch this one and um it didn't even bother him he was like i don't care i want to buy this land i want to build my house on it and i want to make this my family home what a twisted motherfucker hence the quote this house is destined to be haunted. But I mean, come on. I mean, come on.

This was also a fun fact. Once he built the house, this was in 1855 when he bought the land and built the house. It was also California's first brick building. Really? Fun fact. So fun. And then I have written, shit happens right away. Uh, and then I have written, shit happens right away.

So as soon as they move in, Thomas and his wife, Anna, and their six kids, they all move into the house and they already start noticing a lot of footsteps and like dragging upstairs, like someone's dragging stuff around. And they immediately assume that it's Yankee Jim because when he was the one to most tragically die, I think they just put his name on everything. But let's remember Yankee Jim, although the most famous ghost in this house, probably wasn't the only one. Multiple died there. I was going to say, didn't they kill a lot of people there?

Yes. And this was also an area, a battleground area. Of course it was. Before that town was even fully built up. Oh my God. So there's also soldiers there. All kinds of good stuff. Alright. So. Basically as soon as they move in, their

son, Thomas Jr. who's 8 months old, dies from scarlet fever in the house. Sad! I guess it happened back then. I mean everyone was dying from that. You know my roommate in college, her sister got scarlet fever. That's a lie. It's real and it was such a random thing in what year 2013 you know what my best friend got tuberculosis a

couple years ago see yeah but he got like the dormant version they test for tb still but that's how he found out he they tested for tb and they were like you have tuberculosis and he was like am i dying like oregon like Oregon Trail. Yeah. You died of cholera. We almost have the triad. We just need one person who has dysentery. Okay, so then the second thing that happens is the house catches on fire. No one dies, but they repair it and then move back in.

This house also becomes, I guess Thomas Whaley was like a really popular dude, or at least became one, because his house was like, I guess, one of the bigger ones to be built up. And he had multiple rooms and he had two floors. And I guess back then that was a big thing. Businesses started renting rooms out from him. Okay. So upstairs he had three different rooms that became like office rooms that held storage for like, with like court records. rooms that became like office rooms that held storage for like with like court records and so downstairs they took an entire giant room which looked it was since I've been there it was like the size of like a small ballroom oh yeah you know I mean my home is pretty average sized but many ballrooms in my

day no it looked because I want to say was like a living room but it was definitely i don't it looks like it could have been three rooms they knocked down walls okay i get it um big big ass room yeah you're trying to say like a big room um they turned that into a courthouse so in his house also was the town courthouse okay which is still looks like it too so when you go in when you into the house, you can see all of the businesses that built up in the house while they were living in there. Okay. So you go in and you look to your left and there's a giant fricking courthouse with like, it has all of like the seats where like they have like a jury box.

They have like the judge and the, where like the guy sits for it to get interrogated. Yeah. Or questioned. Interrogated. Since it's not a precinct. like the judge and the where like the guy sits for it to get interrogated yeah um or questioned since it's not a precinct uh and then another part of the room which looked kind of like it was supposed to be the kitchen or like the hallway it was basically as soon as you open the door you're standing in it they rented out the area to be a general store a general store so they also had a general store and literally you walk into the next room and you're in a courthouse so they lived there while this was all happening yes i'm so glad i went to this place before i did this because i

wouldn't have understood the layout at all that is so weird um so far i've picked houses that are not normal homes no they're not all right so his son his eight month old son died the place caught on fire uh and then the okay so i have written down that the house becomes a general store, a courthouse, a school, a billiard room, a theater, a ballroom, a polling place, rented businesses, and a general store. While they lived there. And this wasn't a mansion. I mean, this was a big house, but it wasn't a mansion. It was two or three floors. And when I say, when I list all of that, like, it wasn't a school and a ballroom and a polling.

Like, places rented out rooms at different times. Okay. But the only consistent ones were the general store and the courthouse downstairs and upstairs. It looked like whatever the size of two master bedrooms would be, and they knocked the wall down, and they made a theater. Whoa. It was really weird. It's, like, the smallest theater in the entire world, but it's a theater. No wonder this place is haunted. Yeah, because so many things happen there but so um and they still

have it looking like a theater they have um like chairs and everything anyway all that's happening people are living there at the same time the general store gets robbed basically any type of bad luck you can imagine there's deaths there's robbery there's fires um sad and then people just start dying left and right like in the family or just like in the house like all the people who start working there are dying um people from the courthouse area of the house they died um servants were dying as soon as the theater was built um two weeks after opening night the operator of the theater died. Oh my God. Um, and the 1880s, uh, Thomas Whaley's daughters, he had six kids remember? And then one of them died. So now he's got five, three of his daughters, two got married in the house.

One got engaged in the house. One of the, um, girls that got married, her name was Violet and she married a guy named George and George ended up being a con artist and thought, if I married into this wealthy family, then I would be getting, like, a lot of dowry for marrying her. Right. Because that was how the world worked. Like, cows and sheep and... Yeah. And when he found out he wasn't getting anything, he divorced her. Oh, what a dickhead. And this was in 1884-ish. Okay. The exact same time as the Winchester Mystery House was happening, by the way. Obviously. Right. Because the world was on its side.

Mercury was clearly in retrograde. So at that time, I mean, divorce was unheard of. It was the rarest thing, and if you're a divorced woman, you're just a waste of space at this point. Sorry, Mom. And Em's mom. At this point, we're both spinsterssters no matter what year it

is um so nobody not only could she not date anymore but she was considered just like you know what what should we do with you let's just put you somewhere so she ended up moving back in with her parents um and she basically got so depressed because she knew that her life was over that uh only a couple months into living there she shot herself in the chest no in 1885 she dies from a shotgun wound to the chest at age 22 22 she's a baby she wasn't even our age or yeah she wasn't even our age sad girl um and this is the suicide poem that she left. This is, she.

I'm sorry. A suicide poem? They did it real classy back then. They classed their suicide up. Oh my god. Um, but she did plagiarize. Because she didn't leave, she didn't leave, like, a, like, an end quote by a poem, by an author. But it's not hers.

She put it, there,gar allen poe said something about it at another point at the same time so like she did not write this but she you know i mean okay so the note that she left was and i'll read it as sultry as possible please do uh mad from life's history swift to death's mystery glad to be hurled anywhere anywhere out of this world bang holy shit i know so that happened to violet but so that's the second whaley child to die the the daughter who was engaged because of this whole scandal of like the husband marrying into the family for money that guy got freaked out by the scandal and left her so she also ended up becoming a spinster and in that age you couldn't even be engaged in them break up i like how they're 21 and 22 and

they're like i'm a spinster yeah right like ha ha ha but we're also spinsters and we're screwed and that's why we drink and that's why we drink drink. So she ends up staying in the house for the rest of her life and dies at 80 fucking five. So imagine living in the house for 60 years. Oh my god. Remember when we were like, how did we disappoint our parents today? This is how she disappointed them for 60 goddamn years. Oh honey. I know.

Mom, at least I didn't live in your house until I was 85. Just side note. Every now and then I tell my mom, I'm like, what would happen if I moved back home? And she's like, stay. Stay where you are. Please don't don't no she wants me home uh actually one of the reasons i was supposed to move home and then i was like i think i'm gonna do this podcast and she was like are you still coming home and i was like we'll see how this goes so either i'm famous by the end of the year or i live in virginia stay with me forever tell my mom mom not to let me move back in. I will. Okay, so son dies of scarlet fever.

She shoots herself in the chest, and then the sister ends up living at home for the rest of her life. And she ends up also dying in the house. So that's three Whaley kids who have now died in the house. Before she dies, three other Whaley's also die in the house. They could be in-laws. Two of the other kids end up dying. So five of the six Whaley children all die in the house. Not including all the people who died on the land before.

Not the soldiers dying beforehand. Not the servants. Just death. All these people being hanged and stuff. So six Whaley's died in the house. Yankee Jim died on the property. Anyone else executed on the property. Original settlers on the land. Any soldiers. And then also there was a servant who died in the house. I tried to find out where

like how, but that didn't come across. And then I called the Whaley house. And they had this to tell me. There was also a daughter, or not a daughter, like a family friend playmate of the Whaley kids that used to come over all the time. Right. And I guess Mrs. Whaley would regularly make cookies out of the general store, and then all the little neighborhood kids would, like, run from wherever they were to go get cookies. Carrie Washburn, who was the playmate that they grew up with, was so excited when she saw cookies. This is literally how I'm going to die, by the way.

That sounds like me too. She saw the cookies, got so excited, and sprinted as fast as she could straight into a clothesline that was the height of her neck. That is not real. It is the truth. Are you kidding with me? It is the truth. And she broke her trachea, or ripped her trachea or ruptured it.

Or basically broke her neck running through a clothesline trying to get to cookies. You are a doctor. Please don't. Please don't correct us. Your boyfriend's a doctor. Tell him this is a real thing. The trachea. She broke and ripped and slaughtered her trachea.

But also if I called you in the middle of the night and was like, Christine, I ruptured my trachea running after cookies, you would not be surprised. I would say, where are the cookies you'd be like you should have ran faster or you should have at least ducked where the hell are my cookies so a regular thing that happens um the only haunting that is fully documented with the whaleys they said that they heard ghost shit all the time like since they moved into that house that house, they have seen, like, imprints on their bed of people sitting there. Wait, who is this now?

The Whaley family. As, in the, in the middle of them all dying left and right. Oh, so back in the day. Right, right, right. Okay. They, um, they, like, saw people, like, back then they had ghosts haunting them left and right. But because it was so long ago, they don't have any, like, true diaries or anything like

that. Right. But because it was so long ago, they don't have any, like, true diaries or anything like that. So basically all that they have left is, like, creaks and bumps and feeling touched in cold spots and the typical stuff. But the only thing that they have documented is a, someone who recently visited the house on a tour. Her family, like, her grandparents were friends with the Whaley's or something like that. And she was already an old woman. so her grandparents were from that time. Oh.

And she said that they visited probably, like, within the first month of the Whaley's moving in to, like, celebrate them living there. So this was the 1880s. And they fled in the middle of the night. The family friends fled in the middle of the night because they literally hurt. Like, they got scared. They, like, woke up and, like, felt things staring at them. All ran into one room to, like, sleep together. And then they saw the window unlatch and fly up.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. And then they fled that house, and they're like, see you never, Whaley's. Aye. Forever. So, um. See you never. See you never see you never ever ever so that was the the main one that they have but um uh the employee i talked to said that mainly the thing that she hears about is adults feel things like they feel when they go into um the where Violet shot herself, they can smell copper, like blood. Like they can smell blood.

Ooh, no, no. They also feel really depressed. Like they can, this is adults mainly, they can walk in, they just like get so sad and just feel horrible because they feel her depression. Ooh. Or sometimes they can hear like crying upstairs. And sometimes it's her crying because she was depressed or it was, um, they can hear a baby crying, which was the son. And they can hear like a baby like giggling and cooing and all that. And, um, so, um, but the kids that visit this house regularly see everything.

Like they'll wave to people that aren't there. Really? They'll like, um, like, so that Carrie Washburn girl, the cookie girl. Yeah. She, they'll, like, the kids will talk and laugh with, like, someone their height because they're looking, like, out, not up. And they'll be talking to someone and parents will be like, who's that? And she's like, oh, my friend that lives here. Like, that girl will just approach children. Or she'll, like, play hide and seek with them.

And then they'll be like, oh, the girl that ran around the other room and then the employees would be like that's not a girl um they also a lot of times kids will go up to the employees and be like where did the dog go no the dog that and they're like what dog it's like the dog that ran through the hall or ran down the hall can i pet the dog do you have a treat for me to give to the dog and uh the Whaley's had a Scottish terrier named Dolly. And this is a regular thing. Oh my God. I asked her like, is this one kid or a couple of kids? And she was like, from what I've heard from other employees, at least 50 or 60 kids over

time have asked to pet the dog. Kids see everything. Yeah. I like to think that when my dog dies, he's going to just haunt everyone. I don't think he cares enough about people to even scare them. He doesn't, but he's kind of a bully, so I feel like he'll want to make his presence known. That's fair. Um, let's see. What else?

A lot of people will see Thomas Bailey himself standing on the landing in the stairs where he just watches people visiting his house. Ew! He just watches them. And kids will wave, and they've all described the same man standing on the stairs. Do you think that he sees them? Or is it just like a projection? Apparently he waves back.

No! That's why the kids wave because they're like, I'm waving at the man who waved at me. Emily. I'm not lying. You can smell Anna's perfume and a lot of people have said they can see her floating from the courthouse into the general store. Oh, God. And then, oh, so the last thing the employee told me was apparently everyone that died in that house had some sort of relationship to August.

Either they had. Like the month? Yeah. So, like, they had an anniversary or a birthday or they died in August. Everyone had some relationship to August. So, apparently August is the most haunted month where, like, the employees go in every day wondering, like, what the hell is going to happen. And Halloween. They said October is pretty big because everyone comes in

because every weekend during October they have night tours. So it's just crazy busy. They said August and October are the most active months. And the best thing that, because I asked the employee, I was like, what's the scariest shit that you've seen in this house? And she's like, the only thing that really freaks me out are not just when people show me pictures, but how many pictures people show me. Because apparently like she said, like one out of five families will come and show the employees things that they've taken pictures of. And she said that

the scariest picture that she saw was someone took a picture outside of the house and you can see crystal clear um three like mexican soldiers like she said you can see the badges you could see their facial features you could see like the uniform entirely she said there was one soldier up front and two in the back um which which is interesting to me because my ex went to the whaley house and when we were dating she always said if you ex went to the Whaley house. And when we were dating, she always said, if you ever go to the Whaley house, you have to go. Because she, I guess, in the same area that from what this employee told me, which was kind of interesting, was the person who showed her the picture that they took, they took it right outside of the house on the side with the window. And if you look in the window, you can see a bed.

house on the side with the window. And if you look in the window, you can see a bed. My ex always told me that the only photograph she got of ghosts was the one time she went to the Whaley house and got a picture on the side of the house where she looked through the window and saw a bed. And she, this employee did not know that story about me, but said it. And I was like, Oh, what was the picture your ex took? Um, she said that she saw a grown man, like a shadow person, sitting on the bed. Something like that. Something like, but like looking into the camera. Oh, no. But when she looked in, there was nothing there.

So, like, she just saw a bed, and so she just kind of put her phone up and took a picture. And when she looked at the picture, there was a grown man looking at her. Nope. Nope, nope, nope, nope. So, anyway, that's my story for the week. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. The Whaley House. Oh, nope, nope. So anyway, that's my story for the week. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. The Whaley House. Oh, sad and dark.

Do you have something to lighten up the mood, like a good fresh murder? I do. Let's hear it. Speaking of light and fresh stories, I have a story about the serial, alleged serial killer. Uh-huh. Robert Durst. I know that name. I don't know.

I don't know anything about him. All right. So there was this HBO series that got a lot of press, The Jinx. It was about Robert Durst and it was very recent. I know a lot of people have probably seen this, but it's definitely worth talking about. It's just a fucking crazy, crazy, crazy story. I have not heard of The Jinx. I've heard of Robert Durst, but I don't even know what he does. He does a of bad bad bad bad he does a lot of murdering and also crazy things allegedly just so crazy he's a creepazoid so his it all began in 1982 so he was married to this woman named kathleen durst one day so they had a kind of a troubled marriage they were young um they had their issues One day she left a party and was never seen again. I was going to ask what happened to her, but I guess she's never been seen again.

Nobody knows. So she left the party after telling her friends that her husband was mad at her and wanted her to return home. So the police kind of investigated. They looked into him. They couldn't find any evidence. Her friends always accused Robert, her husband, and said he, like, it was an abusive relationship. He did it. He killed her. But the police couldn't find any evidence.

Always trust the best friends. They know more shit than a cop can ever figure out. If someone kills me and... I can't promise it's Blaze. I can promise it's Gio. It's probably Gio. Your dog wants one of us gone. Whoever he can get his paws on first.

My dog will be the death of me. Her friend, who she saw that night, even said that before she left the party, she told her friend to check it out, quote unquote, if anything happened to her because she was afraid of her husband. So they were going... They had a really bad relationship at this point. They both did a lot of drugs. He cheated on her. She really wanted a child, but when she got pregnant,

he forced her to have an abortion. Oh, no. Allegedly, yeah. This was the 80s, right? Early 80s. So she, they had their issues, you know know and her friends obviously knew um so the weird thing was you know do you know what drugs he was on yeah so well it wasn't even anything like that crazy i think she was into cocaine and he was into marijuana as far as i read and he even took a

course back in the day called intake of marijuana i think was the name of the course. Okay. So, they, basically, he, the weird thing was, he waited four days to report his wife missing. Hmm. He said, when he told the police four days later, he said she had come home after the party, drunk a bottle of wine, and then gone to Manhattan by herself. Oh, like he, like she left him. Yeah, he said she. I thought it meant like she was so gone after one bottle of wine. She was like, Manhattan it is.

Off to Manhattan. One way ticket. No. So he said she went off to Manhattan by herself after drinking a bottle of wine at home. Okay. He also told the police that she had called him from her apartment in Manhattan to say she was watching TV. So at the time, the police were really thorough and did not check phone records. Mm-hmm.

So. Yeah, not very thorough at all. Not thorough. So in 2000, several years later, someone reopened the case and looked into it. There were no calls ever made to his home at that point. So just a minor trifling. Trifling. Meanwhile, so this guy, Robert Durbert durst his family they were these crazy

billionaires they were these real estate moguls in new york city four billion dollars worth of property so he's like really successful um so in 2000 again i said they reopened this investigation but he became estranged from his family they had a big argument he was always kind of the black sheep um so he kind of took off and disappeared and his family was like good riddance um and at the same time that this was happening suddenly they found his good friend from childhood susan berman and like confidant shot execution style no in her ranch in los angeles just shot in the head shot execution style no in her ranch in los angeles just shot in the head i'm pretty sure they found her in the pool um so they were like it turns out that they were the police were actually looking into the disappearance of his first wife um and they had actually contacted her his friend

susan burman about her disappearance and so speculation is that he knew she was going to talk and it turns out from bank statements that he had given her fifty thousand dollars like quite exactly in the months leading up to her death um so the way they found her was also really strange they the police received an anonymous letter saying a quote cadaver was at her address and the letter was addressed to the Beverly Hills police but he misspelled Beverly and added an extra e between the L and Y huh and actually in the documentary they had him write out Beverly and he misspelled it in the same oh that's fine I like when they when they know the little thing they're like oh what a casual coincidence yeah right

so that was spooky but like nothing you can, you know. Right, right, right. So literally the same year in 2000, he suddenly, so he had been kind of off the map. Like no one really knew where he was. Suddenly in Galveston, Texas, he was connected with the murder and dismemberment of 71 year old Morris Black. So suddenly pieces... How is he connected? I know. I feel like either you're in or you're out on that. Well, pieces of this guy's body washed ashore in Galveston. They never found the head. Just putting that out there.

How did they know it was Morris? Well, they found a trail of blood leading back to Robert Durst's apartment. And Morris Black was his next-door neighbor. Oh. But it turns out Robert Durst had been living in this, like, really shabby apartment, not only living under the radar, but dressing in drag and pretending to be a mute woman called Dorothy Siner. So he had invented this whole fake persona.

This is Morris. No, this is Robert Durst, the same guy. He was found wearing a wig and dressing as this woman and he named himself dorothy um and they found a trail of blood from his neighbor his neighbor's dismembered body that they found in the river all the way back to his apartment so they were like uh hello we're gonna. So they arrested him, but he posted bail and then took off. So suddenly there's this manhunt. They're like, holy shit, we got to catch this guy. Manhunt or Dorothy hunt?

Woman hunt. Okay. Man, woman, hunt? I don't know. Whatever he chose to be at that point. I don't judge. So we're looking for a man or a woman who can or can't hear or speak. Or speak. Okay. His name may or may not be dorothy so look for anyone you can guess how they found him i want to know they caught him shoplifting a chicken sandwich a newspaper and a band-aid from a supermarket in pennsylvania the dumbest wearing a wig not wearing the dress but wearing a wig and he's a multi-millionaire so he walked out of there

and he was caught shoplifting that's the dumbest well he had psychological issues i feel like i mean he must have because i mean how hard is it to pay in cash you know it's not like you're afraid of a paper trail with a credit card like just throw down 10 bucks he was just wearing a wig and he was in pennsylvania also if you're that rich and you're really trying to get away you can afford like a whole costume exactly and a whole box of band-aids you can do like a mrs doubtfire and just hello i mean that's real like what i mean he must have really needed that one band-aid like if i cut my finger but i was on the run i'd be like no no the food and the paper are all i need so that's how they caught him so they brought him in

but he was acquitted spoiler alert because he claimed so they found the blood of this guy his neighbor in his apartment in galveston texas but he pleaded self-defense and he said you know what my neighbor attacked me and so I killed him. But he did admit to chopping up his body with a paring knife. So they were like. So he went beyond self-defense and went into like full mode mutilation. And he admitted it. He said it was, quote, in a panic.

So he said, well, I was just, he attacked me. So I was in a panic and I killed him and then dismembered his body and dumped it into little pieces in the river neat right so he i mean again remember this guy's a multi-millionaire so he has this defense team that's like right right i guess when you're a multi my first thought was if you're a multi-billionaire you can afford to actually like make a murder go away like go on the lam but i guess since i'm not a millionaire i didn't realize that if you're a millionaire you can make it look as obvious as possible and just afford the best lawyers right like why do the dirty work when you can pay someone else to do it so they basically said like no it was self-defense um the reason he chopped up his body was because he was panicked

uh and he got away with it to be fair i i i mean I'm not saying I would be open to cutting someone's body up. Let's, I mean, granted. I'm glad you're not saying that. I'm not in the mood. Ask me on a Monday. The hell? That dog's amazing. If I, if I really did kill someone in self-defense i would be nervous like if i really did kill someone in self-defense i would be scared about how to get rid of the body because i would be afraid too yeah so i could i could understand like if it was truly he didn't want to kill someone and now he's nervous about the repercussions trying to hide the body right in that moment that was the only thing but i get it but at the same time like that's a lot of work to take pieces of a body right to the i feel like in a panic i would just set it on fire

if i had never well but if i had never killed somebody and i was totally innocent and a guy attacks me and i killed him i would call the police and say dude that's true too if it really was self-defense then you wouldn't have anything to really there won't be a reason to take up your knife spend an entire night cutting pieces of his body but with how paranoid i am these days with like whatever like baby rule someone could catch me on like there's so many technicalities in the world i could see my if i was in a true state of panic frenzy and i felt like i needed to get rid of the body then i I could understand. I wouldn't cut it up, though. That's so intimate.

Like, you really have to, like, want to take a knife and saw someone's arm off. Well, and one of the guys who saw the photo said, like, this is not this guy's first murder. I can tell. Like, I can, like, the way he took a knife and was able to take apart pieces of this body, like, that is not normal. That is not something a person can do.

It was masterfully cut off. Like, he knew. Versus, like, my choppy chunks. Right. I would just be crying. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got his toe off.

Okay. If I ever kill you, I won't dismember you, too. Aw, thank you so much. I'll just... I'll pretend that you tried to attack me. Oh, thanks. That's so sweet. It depends on the day.

So what happens? Listen, he didn't get charged with any of this. So his first wife just goes missing. All his friends, all her friends say, it was him. He did it. Nothing. He has so much money. He can hire, like, a bomb-ass legal team.

He will not get arrested. And then he goes, you know what? I'm going to do. Oh, and again, his best friend who was shot in her home, right? And then now this neighbor who was dismembered from the river. So just everyone connected to him are all dying in the most disgusting ways. Like his wife, his best friend, and his neighbor. So he goes, oh, HBO is doing this documentary.

Why don't I be a part of it? Why not? Why not? What's it about? So it's about his story basically okay right it's like a literally a dramatization of like what has happened to him and his that's textbook too they always say that like the killer can't stay away from his own crime right they like always come back exactly so he wanted to be a part of it and he's i guess he liked the way they were telling the story so he said he wanted to tell quote his side so get this i mean this is a spoiler if you have not seen the show and you want to see the show and you don't want anything ruined for you the

next 60 seconds exactly or even like the next 10 seconds but he went to the bathroom during the taping in the final episode. They did not play in this and he had a mic on and he did not know the mic was on and he was muttering to himself and he says, what did I do? I killed them all. I killed them all. And he says it in the bathroom on the mic.

It's like he wanted to get caught. He admitted it. Why would you just say that to yourself? When you'd be saying like, like, I feel like if I was trying to make sure I didn't say that I would be like chanting in my own head. Like I didn't do it. I didn't do it. Why would you just say that to yourself? Wouldn't you be saying like, I feel like if I was trying to make sure I didn't say that, I would be like chanting in my own head like, I didn't do it. I didn't do it.

Like practicing what I'm going to actually say to other people. Remember this guy stole a chicken sandwich. And a band-aid. Okay. Right. And got caught as a multimillionaire. So he basically says he killed them all on the mic. And I remember watching this in the final episode.

The entire crew is like, what? Did we just hear that? Right? Yeah. He just confessed. Like, you can't make this shit up. So he made this confession. It was huge news.

Like, New York Times wrote this big article on it. But it is not clear today if he's going to go to jail for this because he claims that meth use was the only reason he admitted to the murders. He said he was doing meth. So it was like an insanity kind of thing. And his lawyers are expected to attempt to have his statement rendered inadmissible in court. So for now, he's in a psych unit. He's in New Orleans in a jail. he's in a psych unit he's in new orleans in a jail um he's going to be extradited extradited to california on a first degree murder charges for the murder of susan burman who is a woman in

california um who his best friend for childhood yeah so i mean at this point his own family has said we hope he'll be held accountable for all that he's done so like they they're even they're like see ya yes and he's completely estranged from his family and he's looney tunes like if you watch his show i i do want to add some fun facts i love a good fun fact especially about i mean just like that you can't make all this up this is so wild okay this is from his biography on biography.com when he was seven he watched his 32 year old mother either jump or fall off the roof to her death. So he had several years of counseling after this. That would change you.

Yeah, it would. And at this point, it obviously fucked him up. And some of his oddities, I guess, one of them was that he pretended to be in a school band and would hide his tuba in the woods. And I'm going to be be honest i don't know what the fuck that means like it sounds like a euphemism but it literally said he would hide his tuba in the woods like so wait did he my question is did he have an actual tuba and he was in a pretend band or was did he pretend he was in a band and pretend he had a tuba and he would be like like it's somewhere you don't know where i did or would he like actually have a tuba and he would be like, shh. He would pretend to. He would be like, it's somewhere.

You don't know where. He'll find it. Or would he like actually have a tuba and he would go around and be like, oh yeah, I'm in a band. Well, it looks, okay. Or would he go up and pretend he was holding a tuba and be like, yeah, me and my bandmates are going to like go to town on this thing later. My understanding was that he pretended he was in a band he had a tuba okay so at least i don't know he had a real prop at least literally every single one of those

situations is as insane no matter what it's stupid it's so insane i don't know so he hid a tuba in the woods all right so the next thing was that after his wife kathleen disappeared this was his first wife who disappeared um he didn't seem concerned. Again, I said it took four days for him to report it to the police. Friends of hers were convinced it was his fault and he had killed her. Well, the friends in America, I believe.

They know. I think everyone knows. They know. And they had said she told them she was scared of her husband, etc., etc. But while they were doing their investigations, their homes were burglarized and the relevant materials to their cases they were building were stolen. So surprise, they were all gone. Yeah.

Um, number three out of four. So he had this brother who was part of their like real estate. He was like another real estate mogul, uh, hugely wealthy. Um, and they were strange. They didn't speak. hugely wealthy and they were strange didn't speak but after the case was reopened he told reporters that Robert had owned a succession of seven Alaskan Malamutes like the dog okay all named Igor God and they all mysteriously disappeared in the couple months before no no no so no no no it's horrible it's like he was a

sociopath and he couldn't get his fix on animals anymore so he moved to humans yeah and people wonder if that was just like we're not even a sociopath just a serial killer in general right or just like he was practicing because oh no they said seven literally seven dogs all with the same name disappeared in like it's like he was replacing him to like round two round three like let's perfect this murder so fucked up oh man so the dogs all named the same would just disappear seven of them in the months leading up to and then she disappeared and he never had a dog again and then well why would you once you've moved on to people right it's a shame he didn't have seven wives all with the same name yeah you could have just killed all

the kathleens and it's just really messed up so the last thing he has a public urination issue surprise oh that that that might also be a sociopath thing though he well if he's hurting animals and he well it's usually bedwetting as an early sign but if you're having well urinary problems at all so what happened was he was arrested because he exposed himself and urinated on a candy rack at a houston cvs oh keep in mind he's in trouble for like murder and he's peeing on it okay like at least pretend you're normal until it all blows over right like chill the, chill the fuck out. Like, go steal a bandaid in five years when everyone's forgotten. Yeah, steal a bandaid, but wait. And his brother said that as a younger man, I don't know if he was a child or a young man, but he had also urinated in their uncle's trash can in their company business when he was younger.

That could also be a power thing. Right. Like, marking your territory. But it seems like it was kind of a habitual thing. So that is the case of this really messed up dude. How did that end? He is currently in a psych ward. In New Orleans.

Yeah. And he's awaiting trial because that HBO special came out last year and it was just a huge. Did he make a comment about it at all? Yeah. He said, oh, it was just meth. Like we all do. Not even once. Like we all do. Wow. So yeah, it's really fucked up so this guy is and that's

why we drink and that's why we fucking drink because there are people out there who will steal band-aids and pee on your dog or whatever he's wow he went through a lot of things on seven alaskan men he named all of his band-aids igor oh my and he also murdered a bunch of people i mean he murdered his best friend his wife his neighbor and his neighbor and probably others yeah he was 71 and he they never found the head i know that means there's a skull somewhere and he said oh it was just a self-defense that i chopped his body maybe he bought the band-aid to put on the head. Oh, probably. And he bought the chicken sandwich. To feed it one last time. I don't know. Did they tell you how he hurt the dogs? No, they just said he had seven dogs that just,

he said they all disappeared one by one. And he said, oh, they're just gone. I mean, he's crazy. If you watch his documentary, he just sounds so out of his rocker. That's like Manson. If you look at his interviews, he just is like, it's like not even a human being. Right. Like he doesn't seem like a real person. He's just saying words and jumbles. It doesn't even make sentences. So if you watch him, he's just like, oh, I can explain. That was a good one.

Wow. Speaking of people missing, I saw this thing online. I've seen it a few times. I'm sure you've seen it too, but there was a story of a girl who, uh, joined her own search party. No. And I'm like, if that ain't me, I don't know what is like, Hey guys, what are we doing? Oh, who are we searching for? And it's, it's me. Cause I took a nap for too long. Your mom and I are going to go missing on our Amber Alert and we're both going to look for ourselves. Well, you'll find yourselves at the same time.

We'll be drinking. Spiritually. Layer cake wine. In every way. Layer cake. Here's the thing. When I was 14, I had this friend who I'm not going to say a name, but if my mother's listening and I know she is, she knows who this person is because I still talk about this.

Uh oh. There was a guy in my high school who everyone knew was, like, the player. He was just the guy. Player. And he got every girl. He wasn't, you know, he got his way with girls because he was charming. Sure. He knew exactly what to say.

And I was friends with him. I didn't like him half the time because I saw what he was doing to girls. Like, he was being, like, disrespectful. Right. He was just being a man-ho. You know what I mean? Oh, those man-hos. But, so, I warned my mom before they met.

I was like, he will find a way to charm you. Like, just do not fall for it. And she's like, Emily, I'm a woman in my 40s. Like, I'm not going. I'm not going to fall for it. Gets in the car and says, I'm not going to say my mom's last name, but it was like, hi, Mrs. La La La. Mrs. M.

Would you care for some chocolate? And ever since then, to this day, my mother's like, how is that boy? And I'm like, he got you. He got you. It's like over 10 years later. That's so easy. Would you like some chocolate? Really?

My mother doesn't have a lot of self-control when it comes to sweets but neither do i that's why i'm drinking a mcflurry as i speak to you but like i was like he will say something that will make you talk about him for the rest of your life and i'm gonna have to hear it so please don't fall for it and one sentence in and i still hear about him do you want to know something what now you're talking about him on our podcast no he'll never hear this podcast though. So, but his name carries on his, his name is still legendary at our high school. I'm sure. God, but honestly. So what I'm saying is if you said, would you care for some layer cake wine? It's just, it's been a decade. She needs something new and she'll be like how is that christine girl i really like her i'm really great thank you for asking before it's even been asked there's your answer oh and that's why

we drink people anything you're you're personally drinking about well we do want to know like what you guys drink about yes why you drink what's your favorite drink yeah what is your favorite drink because we probably need to mix things up because all i drink is box wine if i'm gonna do a podcast and drink a different milkshake every time i'm gonna need a little variation yeah so if you've got some ice cream ideas let me know if you've got some alcohol ideas like christina my mother now my mother really doesn't drink this much but let's just make that a trend let's just pretend throw that around. One day we'll have a shirt with her face on it and she won't care anymore. She'll be happy. Yeah.

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