And That's Why We Drink - E257 Xandy's Castle Roommate and Spicy Lighthouse Decor

Episode Date: January 9, 2022

Welcome to episode 257 where we deep dive into all of our hyper-fixations! Most importantly, for Xandy's last episode we have not one, but two lighthouse stories for you. First Em tells the spooky tales of haunted Point Lookout Lighthouse in Scotland, Maryland. Then Xandy takes us across the pond to the country of Scotland for a murder case in Little Ross Island Lighthouse. And don't worry, the Funcles will reunite at some point in the future, so stay tuned... and that's why we drink!

oh hello everybody and welcome to uh a very fun day in that i am ready for xanity to hear my story but a very sad day because it's xanity's last day on and that's why we drink so sad i didn't get the permanent position a little disappointed but i understand no but i'm i'm just that's mainly your sister's call i think yeah everyone blame her for that um yeah let's just make a burner we all hate christina count and let's bring xandion just see what happens on the internet i don't think i'm coming out of that uh positively but no i'm very grateful it's been lots of fun so i'm like really it's been so nice to to be able to do this so thank you um so the by the time by the time we've finished recording these i actually

haven't seen any feedback yet on how people took your uh your entrance and your exit on, and that's how you drink. But I can say in the last several Instagram live streams I've done, people have been asking what's going to happen with Christine being gone. So many people have said, can Zandy come on the show? So I'm assuming that the last four weeks, or I guess with Christineine uh weaseled weaseled her way in in the middle for the christmas episode i think people were super stoked to have

you so i really do appreciate you coming on it's been a lot of fun and i guess for the last times andy why do you drink oh my gosh why do i drink um because why do I drink? I didn't prepare. I didn't say, oh man, lots of reasons. Lots of reasons. No, things are pretty good. Things are pretty good. I'm like, now also thinking, I don't know what, I feel like life is going to change so much in the next two months, potentially. Not really, but I don't know. Your fame is just going to soar. That's what it is. Out of control.

I'm drinking some very expensive alcohol right now because i can afford it after this boost in my fame i'm sitting back relaxing the doors because there's just handprints slamming into the windows trying to get to you um no i guess i'm drinking because yeah maybe because this is my last one this is this is sad but it's it's been amazing and um yeah and i have been thinking about that lack of feedback because i'm like oh god the first one comes out and someone's like gives a gives feedback and then i'm like well shit i didn't do that for the next three um i don't know i'm like thinking out loud like i've been that's how i wonder with most logistics of people being ahead because i know a lot of people a lot of podcasts

try to like backlog their episodes i don't know if any of us are ever successful at that but uh i do wonder like oh what if you like try to really spice things up and you find out three months later it was not a good idea yeah we'll find out together sandy okay good well i'll be hiding out in your castle with a moat or something where you're just hiding from fans at all turns you know what hey as long as i can afford it then i can't complain doing pretty well but now um what are you why do you drink though you know what's funny is i ask and i always i'm always surprised that someone asks back um because i don't i also didn't prepare i today i drink so i really have gotten into pokemon card collecting um by the time this comes out i just have no idea where my finances will be

at this point i was gonna say you're poor because i think i'll literally be like desperately uh rooming in your in your castle um i yeah so i i was was doing it as kind of a little bit of a hobby for a while, but it was like a playful... With my ADHD, I'm hyper fixated on a different thing every week. So when I got into Pokemon cards, I was like, oh, this won't last. I'll just get a couple cards and call it a day. And it hasn't stopped. And so now i'm getting nervous

because now i've gotten all the small cards and all that's left are like expensive cards um so i i drink in a good way and a bad way because i can never complete anything i i never hold attention for this long so this is like kind of a win but at such a grave like oh no it's such a scary way where i'm like okay like at any moment you know hyper fixation you can die down now it's time to stop pump the brakes and uh i feel like i'm about to start putting like big money onto cards which i don't know what literally blaze well i've talked to blaze in the past and we've talked about uh pokemon cards and at the time i was saying like oh yeah like i don't spend that much money and now i'm getting nervous that i'll have to backtrack if he asks asks about it again anyway i'm i'm getting nervous that's why i

drink that's fair i mean as someone but like at least what i think about that spending money on those things like i used to play magically gathering a bit so i have a bunch of magic the gathering cards um but i got so much enjoyment out of it and i don't know how much money i've sunk into it and like my record collection i've thought about i i calculated how much i've spent on records it's like just looking at the number i was almost disgusted with myself but then i thought you know this is something that's that i enjoy it's something that's important to me um it makes me happy and also if i spend too much then i can sell them so it's like you know there's still it's not like necessarily a like 100 sunk cost but but especially because I enjoy them so much.

So I don't know. That's how I look at those things. I appreciate you saying... I've never really... Literally, my thing is I collect a bunch of crap, but I just never finish any collection. So this one just... I'm shocked at how far we've come,

and I didn't think we'd get here. And I think the difference, though, between your record collection and my Pokemon card collection is people are interested in your record collection. Meanwhile, like, poor Allison. Like, I know that woman could not. Literally, if I never said the word Pokemon again in front of her, she would just probably, you know, never bat an eye. But she is forced because she's the only person around. I just show her folder every day and i'm like look at what i have now and she's like i so don't care so oh my god it really is such a personal pride because i'm very aware that nobody else cares so uh but i i

am very happy about it so it again i drink because it's a good thing and a weird thing at the same time. Do you have a favorite card that you've opened so far? Sandy, that's very kind of you to ask. I'm sincerely curious. I literally haven't thought about that because I was prepared for nobody to ever ask a single question about Pokemon. I have a favorite Pokemon character from like childhood, but now that I'm collecting cards, I think my favorite card is different

than the actual characters. Wow. Okay. What's your favorite childhood character? We can start there. It goes back and forth, but there's one named Scyther and he was like the green metal guy.

Okay. I thought he was super duper cool. As I'm getting older, I really like Aerodactyl, who's basically just a dinosaur. but there's one named Scyther and he was like the green metal guy. Okay. I thought he was super duper cool. Oh yeah. As I'm getting older, I really like Aerodactyl who's, he's basically a dinosaur. But Scyther is the one you caught in the, um,

the, uh, like the jungle zone or whatever that thing you pay money. The right. That's where you got Scyther. I remember that being a big thing that I wanted. Yeah. Yeah.

I, uh, I, I, I very much like him. I like to think he looks like the green goblin in real life but with like if like edward scissorhands and the green baby would be scyther so uh that's my favorite but for as for cards right now i've been trying to collect i'm at by the time this comes

out i'm only like 20 cards left and i'll be done with a deck which has taken me almost an entire year and um unless i like had a midnight splurge and now i owe all of my money because i have all the cards but uh it's not a favorite card but it's a favorite lore so there's in this one deck there are these 15 cards that apparently never actually got sent out to the public. They were actually given as like Christmas gifts to the actual employees of the company that makes the cards. And so now people try to collect all 15 of these cards that were only handed out to employees. The only way you'd have them is if they got trickled down and passed on from an actual employee themselves. And so it's kind of almost like, do they exist or don't they?

And I think only a handful of people have ever been able to collect all 15 of them. And I saw only once the entire collection has been available on eBay, and it started at like $20,000 or something. So I'm never going to have that. I've like already written myself out of that even being a possibility. But I like the lore behind it of like, oh, is it real or isn't it? Heck yeah, that's so cool.

Oh, yeah, I love that. And there's some drama. Some of the designs are like, oh, well, the artist didn't get approval to change it. And so there's like different versions of of cards where some of it was approved by the artist and some of it is a little ding to the artist's IP. Anyway, it becomes a whole thing. But I think I fell for the drama of it. And I've just stayed ever since.

I love it. Now that we've lost every single person because I'm talking about Pokemon cards. I have a story for you, and it's about your hyper fixation. I don't know if you call it a hyper fixation, but at least your love and your passion. What is it? Today I have a lighthouse story for you.

Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Okay. I was hoping this would happen. Hey, guess what? I also have a lighthouse story.

Zandy. No, you don don't is it the same it can't be the same there's no i and i actually it's funny my notes at the top i like was gonna i mentioned that i wanted to talk about how i picked a lighthouse story that from what i could tell had zero paranormal yeah okay connection um and I even had a couple written down because Zach Baggins I know went to a couple. He went to Execution Rocks, which I got to see. Fun!

And then Point Sir Lighthouse in California. I was not aware of how many lighthouses he had been to. Two. I know there's like the main haunted one is the St. Augustine lighthouse. I'm pretty sure I've covered it already though. So I was frantically looking for a different lighthouse to cover.

And I honestly, I was scared because I was like, I have to do a lighthouse. There's no way I'm not going to do a lighthouse story. So then I found it was like this niche topic where I was like, oh man, like, am I even going to find one? I feel like there's only one haunted lighthouse in the world and I already used the story. And now I feel a little bit like how I imagine you and Christine are with Beach to Sandy where like you trap yourself into like such a niche thing that like you just hope that you find information on it. Is that how it works with Beach to Sandy, where like you trap yourself into like such a niche thing that like you just hope that you find information on it? Is that how it works with Beach Too Sandy?

Actually, weirdly with Beach Too Sandy, I feel like we're better off if we can trap ourselves. Like there's so many different, so like an example is we tried to do reviews of dispensaries or something. And it was so hard to find reviews because there were so many and they were all just like all these people talking about like, yeah, I'm really good. I know weed really well, blah, blah, blah.

Here's some technical things as to why the strains that they have are not good. I'm reading this like I am bored to tears. I don't know what the heck they're saying. This is not funny. So we actually, we still haven't done one. People keep requesting it, but we're like, we need to find a way to like make it more specific so our research isn't so difficult

um so yeah i don't know like we've sometimes when we keep it general we feel like like we do reviews of airports and we're just like it's it's a lot because you're like there's so many reviews of airports that you're like we need to which is wild because as someone who's not part of that world, why on earth would I ever think of a review for an airport? And the fact that you know that there's so many. So many. We are on very different pages on airport reviews. Well, okay. Well, then this is not how I thought things are for you.

But I would always be afraid that if we picked something so specific on Beach to Sandy, there would just be nothing at all. So I was afraid of that with Haunted Lighthouses. I thought that was too specific. But I, within like five minutes, I like hit a home run. I am so shocked that I've never heard of this. I love when this happens because after five years, I'm always like, oh, I've heard it and I can't cover it. Or I've heard it and I've already done it. I love when I find something by accident that is this juicy. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.

I really hope if you ever go to a lighthouse and I'm invited to just one, I would really like to be invited to this one. Okay, I think I've been to like 15 this year. Oh, that actually would be one of my resolutions is to see been to like 15 this year oh that actually would be my one of my uh resolutions is to see more lighthouses than the year before so i think i literally talked about doing resolutions last year or last week on yeah i just remembered that okay well happy belated to everybody happy belated new year this is xandy's resolution by the way see more lighthouses minus to like have money after my Pokemon.

So maybe one day we can combine forces and I'll show you my Pokemon cards in a lighthouse and I'll just absolutely lose my mind. The world would explode. I love it. Anyways, Andy, this is the story. Tell me if you know this lighthouse,

if you have fun facts, I would love you to chime in. This is point lookout lighthouse. Where is that? It is in maryland oh point lookout in maryland i was seeing i looked at lighthouses um in maryland but i don't think i saw that one um never heard of it never heard of it on my end okay i just i'm looking at a picture i'm not gonna spoil anything it looks fucking creepy it's gorgeous i love the house style but like yeah it looks creepy as hell so apparently that house style the designer who made i tried to throw in fun facts about the lighthouse for you

because i know like i didn't want to just be like the history i tried to find like fun facts on lighthouses to keep you mentally stimulated. And apparently the house look, you probably know more about this than I do, but it was this lighthouse was inspired by another lighthouse nearby called Ledge Lighthouse, which has the same house look. Fun fact. So I don't know if that's like if there's different categories of lighthouse but I, you're right. This does immediately fall into the house looking one. It looks like a little home with a lighthouse stuck in it or something. My experience is mostly just what I've seen. And like, I call it like, oh yeah, it looks like a house.

And I've seen, you know, obviously the more traditional ones, like that are tall towers. But I'm like, I'm no expert. I would love to become an expert. So I'm like, actually'm no expert. I would love to become an expert. So I'm like, actually, this is something that's fairly new to me. But I think you did it right, though, because I'm not my the notes. My research really did say, like, the house style. So, OK, cool. I think you're on something.

I should have just not said that and been like, yeah, I'm an expert. I know what I'm talking about. Right, right. So this is apparently one of it's fighting for uh its life in terms of will it or won't it be number one for the most haunted lighthouse in the united states i guess it is always like kind of hitting number one and then something beats it out and it keeps climbing the tier but it's one of the most haunted at the very least um lighthouses in the country it looks as it did in 1927,

which it's a restoration though. So it's a decommissioned lighthouse and it in the past has been restored to look as it did in 1927. The only difference from 1927 to now is that it is closer, further away from the water because the original one was,

it had eroded due to like weather over time or something so i think they they must have moved it a little bit but that's the only difference between then and now it has been featured on the tv shows weird travels mystery hunter and unfortunately this show already exists zandy haunted lighthouses oh i didn't know that i like i should look into that it was on tlc apparently cool i don't know if it maybe the show itself is decommissioned in which case the anti-cheaper can pick it back up but uh dream hosting job is anything lighthouse related like literally literally i feel like i would have thought like oh let's do a show about haunted lighthouses but

then i would have fallen into the same trap where I was like, what if there's only like five of them? And then I do five episodes of the shows over. So apparently there's enough for there to be a TLC show. So the lighthouse is at Point Lookout State Park, which is in St. Mary's County, Maryland, which threw me off for a second because the actual city, it's in St. Mary's County, but it's in a city called Scotland, Maryland.

Okay. And for a second, I, it was too late. And I was like, is it Scotland or Maryland? Am I covering two stories by accident at once? So the lighthouse is. Sorry to jump in. My, my, my story takes place in Scotland. Shut up.

This is really weird. I'm like um are you sure it's not maryland dummy i'm literally looking at my notes now i'm like this was scotland right like i don't know it is scotland yes okay well i'm glad i could fix i'm glad i could fix any worries while creating them at the same time because yeah now yeah, now I'm like, man, did I mess up? Like, hearing you talk about Scotland, Maryland, thinking to myself, oh, shit, I did the same thing. Also because I've never heard of Scotland, Maryland. And I was like, this has to be just the world messing with me. So the lighthouse is in Point Lookout State Park.

And the lighthouse itself is where the Potomac river and the chesapeake bay meet and i have um if there were a body of water i have a personal attachment to it would either be the potomac river or chesapeake bay because i grew up uh right around that area so they're just words i've heard a million times so i feel like i have some sort of ownership to them i think i saw a lighthouse on the Potomac. Did you? Yes. I saw a lighthouse.

It was, I believe, George Washington Lighthouse or something like that. It was, what was it? I don't know. Fort Washington Park or something. No, that's in New York. I don't know. I definitely saw a lighthouse on the Potomac. So that's why I'm like hearing this story.

I'm like, how did I not see this? How am I like... I don't mean to put you on the spot here, but is there a lighthouse? Because as you were saying it, I was already... You said Washington and lighthouse, and in my mind, I envisioned a little lighthouse

with a big statue of George Washington on top. Do you know if there are any novelty lighthouses where there are like fun statues or something particularly visually pleasing about it compared to others? Kind of. So this is a novelty lighthouse that I actually recently saw. A friend, a group of friends of mine met in West Virginia at New River Gorge.

And everyone knows my obsession with lighthouses. So we went to see this lighthouse called Summersville Lighthouse. And I was like, this is so weird because you go up to it and it's just this lighthouse. And there's like a lake nearby. And I'd heard like when you're talking about they've moved lighthouses before like, from the water, either from the water or close to the water away. But I was like, this is so strange. And the guy who's giving the tour is like, yep, this started as a joke. And I was like, what?

Huh? And apparently, a local wind farm had some sort of accident, and they had this, and, like, one of the windmills um had an issue so they it was they decommissioned the windmill and they had this giant blade from the windmill and we're like what do we do with it and some students at the local university um i don't know if it was university of west virginia or which university i totally forget but they came up with these plans to create a lighthouse and like a student designed the staircase and. Oh my gosh.

And it was made from this old windmill. They're upcycling. Yeah. And it was like, it was a whole, a whole local project, like a bunch of people locally were a part of it. And yeah, so it's like, I would say that's a novelty because it definitely doesn't have any real like use, but it's a tourist, it's become a tourist destination and it's like, I would say that's a novelty because it definitely doesn't have any real use. But it's a tourist, it's become a tourist destination.

And it's, it was a pretty cool story of like how the community was like, let's get behind this fun little project. And it's big and you can go all the way to the top and it's gorgeous views. So that was lots of fun. I feel like if you're a lighthouse without a gorgeous view, like you're shunned by the other lighthouses. You're like the Rudolph of lighthouses, you know? Yeah, the Rudolph of lighthouses. But I did find that I was kind of right. It was a Fort Washington lighthouse that was on the Potomac, pretty close to D.C. that I saw.

I've seen four lighthouses within Maryland, but not this one. So this is a reason to go back. Tricky, tricky. Now you've got to add one to your list. Well, here we go. Are you ready? There's some fun facts first. I'm so ready.

So like I said, it was decommissioned. As of this one source I read, I don't know if this is now in past tense or what, but apparently at one point it was under renovation to become a museum. So it might now be a museum. It was a stop on the Underground Railroad. And it has appeared in the video game Fallout 3. Oh, I've played that.

Fun. Uh-oh. Someone has been to the Little Lighthouse. I lied. someone has been to the little lighthouse i lied uh so originally the land was fishing and hunting territory for the yacomico tribe i hope i said that right and then in 1500 spanish explorers showed up in 1612 our favorite straight white man john smith shows up. And only 20 years later, King Charles I gives the land to a fellow named George Claver, a.k.a. Lord Baltimore, which I am assuming is what Baltimore is.

Otherwise, weird coincidence. That's so strange. Apparently, George Claver, maybe it's George Clavert. I'm not too sure, but I'm hoping. I think it sounds fancy that way. George Claver, or Lord Baltimore, his son would go on to be the very first governor of Maryland. Fun fact. When he grew up to be the governor, he built his manor on this property.

Fun fact. So it has been, got a lot of history to it fast forward this was the 1630s i'm sure a lot of history and trauma and disaster has happened on this property at some point causing several ghosts but we're gonna fly past all that and go straight to the 1800s and that's including the deaths of probably natives and settlers at different points, as well as sailors during shipwrecks. And now we're at the War of 1812. So Point Lookout was used as a post for watching out for incoming British ships. And then into the 1820s, it's decided that in that time since the war of 1812 it has just been too dangerous of an

area because there's minimal light for sailors they have been seeing just shipwreck after shipwreck and a lighthouse is needed so uh the at the time point lookout is owned by the taylor family and the government pays them i think around, around $1,200 for the land. So now the government now owns the land, and they build a lighthouse there. They give the project to John Donahue in 1830, and he's also built a bunch of other lighthouses nearby. I don't know if this one means anything to you, but the Blackstone, not Blackstonestone blackstone with an i in the middle

blackstone uh blackstone island lighthouse he also made that one and i guess they were like holy crap that's the best lighthouse i've ever seen you gotta do this one so uh that was in 1830 so this that's when the lighthouse is officially, the original bones are put up. It is the, it's called the Point Lookout Lighthouse, and it's built at one and a half stories with its torch. I guess that's the appropriate term for the light of the lighthouse torch. It was centered on the top. The entire house itself was made of wood and stone, and was officially in business late september of 1830 so the very first lighthouse keeper because i take you through a whole timeline of people living here

the first lighthouse keeper his name was james davis and mysteriously within months of him working at this lighthouse drops dead oh dear different sources say it was his wife or his daughter i'm leaning more towards that it was his wife uh ann took over was just like well i watched you do this for a couple months so i'll just keep it up and she got paid the same salary and everything they were just like hey ann's got it covered so let's just give it to ann um she also later dies in the lighthouse and i didn't see a reason why it was just in the middle of her doing her lighthouse keeper duties. They just found her in one of the rooms. Um, later, I don't know if this was like the person to, to take over after Ann, but his name

was William Wood. And apparently he was very clumsy to a point where like whoever is in charge of the lighthouse and was giving him his paycheck. They were like, William Wood, you are so bad at this that we are going to hold your paycheck for a year. Like just to see if you can even get through a day. Like, oh, my God. Apparently he like dropped a local cat and like a in a barrel of like this was by accident. It's not it sounds really abusive but he would just was just so clumsy knock things over all the time i guess i'll he dropped a cat

and like the lantern oil and then it got contaminated so they had to go like spend all this money to get new lantern oil out there the um he kept breaking all the windows i think he literally broke the light of the lighthouse at some point it just sounds like he was like not meant for this job uh eventually this is in 1853 now a new guy's working there named richard edwards who if this source is telling me the truth uh he also died very quickly after working there and then his daughter martha took over and then she didn't die she just married off and she was like this is not the life for me so she hands the post over to her sister Pamela which I love that it we're keeping it in the family and no one cares we're just like hey

whoever wants the job take it yeah I was reading something um when I was researching my thing that a lot of these lighthouses i mean the uh keepers it'll go stay within the family and then uh they'll but they'll be married to like the other keepers family so like in the one i read there are a couple two uh there's a principal keeper and then a like a an assistant or something and those families would like marry each other and then so sweet like then more keepers would come in like marriage and it was like all this like weird like family thing that would be passed down and down and down and down or they'd marry like local people in like the either it's like the

navy and the the fishermen whatever like everything so um yeah there's like a very seems very family oriented lighthouse i've immediately taken it wildly out of proportion but in my mind if i were married to like let's say a sailor and i ran the lighthouse i'd like to think i'd like change the bulb of the lighthouse to like their favorite color when they were coming in to shore like we'd have like a little thing where i'd be like no one else knows what this means also this sounds like a real good setup speaking of tlc or just television and in general this sounds like a kardashian situation like it sounds like a really good reality show of families coming together and taking over a lighthouse and this one has a history of lighthouses over here. And this one's got one another.

It could turn into such a thing. Hallmark, are you listening? And there's that one clumsy guy who keeps dropping cats into terrible things. He's like the black sheep of the family. Like he's just trying to make his dad proud, but you know, he just can't do it. Anyway, I could see a lot of potential for that. And also now that you now that i'm thinking about that really clumsy guy it's interesting that it seems like a lot of people

are dying in this lighthouse and maybe he was just holding on for dear fucking life maybe the lighthouse was trying to kill him and he was like not me and it just looks like he was the clumsy one but he was just like actually the one that got away from the curse, you know, surviving. Yeah, he was at least white knuckling his way through that job. So anyway, it was in 1853. Richard worked there, then his daughter Martha, and then later his daughter Pamela took over. So Pamela was the lighthouse keeper when the Civil War begins. Pamela was the lighthouse keeper when the Civil War begins. So the government actually, I guess when the Civil War began, they used Point Lookout's land for a union hospital.

I guess it was close enough to the battlefields that the soldiers could get there pretty quickly, but far enough away that it wasn't going to get damaged in the war. And what's interesting to me is apparently at this time, poor Pamelaela she has really seen a transformation of this lighthouse in this whole area because right before it was a civil war i don't know battlefield or involved in in war at all it was the area was slowly becoming a like summer resort and so there was a bunch of like beach cottages around and i guess there was more like water-based attractions and things like that. And she slowly watched it all close during the war. But since there were already all of these resorts in the area, or at least one really well-known one,

the government was like, Hey, let's use that structure. And that's going to be the hospital. So it wasn't actually the lighthouse itself that became the hospital, but it was still on the same property. So on the property was the resort that has now become a hospital. And on top of that,

not only did it become a hospital, it became the Hammond general hospital and it opened 1862. It was leased by the government. It also became a holding ground for Confederate prisoners of war. And so I guess they were like, we should probably keep them separate from the people in the hospital especially because i think it was a union hospital so keeping confederate prisoners of war there it just they felt a divide was needed according to them and so they decided that they were just going to expand the property so they took this resort building and were like, we're just going to keep this a hospital.

We're going to move the prisoners of war to a different part of the property, which then became Camp Hoffman. It was just a prisoner of war camp. It was, I'm pretty sure, the Union's largest Confederate prisoner of war camp. Confederate prisoner of war camp. And in total, over 52,000 prisoners of war stayed on this property in the prisoner of war camp. Holy shit, that's a lot. And not only that, but it was 52,000 people they did not like, so they didn't really treat them very well.

The wide range of guesses is that somewhere between 2 000 and 8 000 of the 52 pow's died on this camp jeez um most people have confined it to 4 000 so around 4 000 people had died it was called camp hoffman again it was on the same property you could see the the hospital slash resort you could see the lighthouse it was just on its own space, it was on the same property. You could see the hospital slash resort. You could see the lighthouse. It was just on its own space, and it was surrounded by three different forts that they made to, I guess, secure the prison.

One of those forts is called Fort Lincoln, and it still stands. Oh, wow. So about guesstimating 4,000 prisoners of war died from overcrowding, from contamination of the food in the water apparently the water had a lot of bacteria in it the food was spoiled they were starving because they didn't want to eat the food because it was spoiled due to inclement weather they were either

dying of literally freezing to death or overheating and then of course there was disease uh just riddled everywhere at the time mainly smallpox there was also malaria and typhoid fever but i think most of the death disease related deaths there were smallpox and i saw a quote on one source that said for every soldier that died in battle two died of disease so it was just oh it was infested and people were just dropping the second they got there. So the 1860s during the mid-civil war, at the same time, there's still other shipwrecks happening, even though there's a lighthouse now. I think it just goes with the job that sometimes it's a rocky business. I think it just goes with the job that sometimes it's a rocky business. And especially during war, I think it was the area was probably manned and they were shooting down ships or whatever it was.

But there was one warship coming into the area called the USS Tulip. And I don't know what happened, but this particular ship literally exploded and killed 50 people on board, and all those bodies turned washing up to the shore. Oh, my God. Just so much death everywhere on this one piece of property. It's really... And this, remember, this is... Natives all the way back in the 1600s were dying here.

Settlers were dying here. Previous sailors. I mean, it's just kind of crazy so during all of this sweet pamela edwards the lighthouse keeper is still working there um and so she could actually hear prisoners of war being tortured at camp hoffman she also said that at one point i don't know if she said this but i guess at one point the female prisoners of war were kept separate and they weren't allowed at camp hoffman and so they ended up like using the lighthouse itself as a place to as a holding cell for the female prisoners they also used it to interrogate prisoners of war um apparently there was some

torture that was actually allegedly done in the lighthouse itself. And since she worked there, she remembers seeing people getting tortured, which made her a rebel sympathizer because they were all Confederate prisoners. And she helped people escape from the lighthouse. After the war, she ended up being fired.

I wonder if it had something to do with that, or I don't know what the reasoning was but they've said pamela it's time to go and then from the 1870s all the way to 1908 a different lighthouse keeper named william yeatman took over and he also allegedly died on site so that's a lot of people just working the lighthouse and dying let alone all the actual like more expected death. So while Will Yeatman was working there, because it was the 1870s into 1908, 1870s, 10 years after, maybe 15 years after the Civil War, the place was starting to become more of a vacation spot again. spot again and even though they were trying to make all the buildings resorts and all that again one of their main vacation hotels called the fenwick inn burned to the ground i don't know if anyone died during that but it just seems like the place just kind of had a bout of bad luck

after all of the negative energy happening over there in the same year there was a hurricane called the gale of 78 and it ripped the deck of one ship off that was coming in and it killed depending on the source 16 to 22 sailors that also started all washing up to shore one of the sailors that died in this wreck his name was jay heaney it was either james or joseph and i i don't know which one it actually was so i'm just calling him jay heaney he either died in the actual wreck and his body was one of the ones washed up to shore after the hurricane or he was one of the ones that survived and tried knocking on doors in the area to get help and he ended up dying later from injuries i don't totally know what the actual story was but his ghost is now regularly seen right before storms hit. So in 1883 and in 1930, there were two different renovations that happened at this lighthouse, both doing improvements to make this lighthouse two apartments.

It was getting split into two different apartments. So the idea was that two lighthouse keepers could live there at the same time and share the workload, which I think is kind of cool. Even though when you look at the lighthouse, I don't know if it looks, it looks smaller to me than an average lighthouse, at least the part where someone would live in. And so it's weird that they were now splitting it into two spaces. I feel like people were probably feeling cramped there, but. And I feel like usually there'd be a separate property, you know, to live in. I don't know much, but from the lighthouses I've seen, it's like, oh, here's the lighthouse. And over here is where people actually live.

And that's true for the one that I'm reading today. So, yeah, to have it all in one place, maybe it's more convenient that way. But it seems like a little bit of a it seems like a lot. And I don't know if they it seems like they were living there all the way up until this point, too. I wondered for a second if it was that now they were having people move in and live there together. But it seems like people have been living there this whole time as the keepers. So now it's split into two apartments. And I guess I don't know which renovation it was, the 1883 or the 1930. been living there this whole time as the keepers so um now it's split into two apartments and i

guess i don't know which renovation it was the 1883 or the 1930 but they also put in like a plumbing system which is nice like hot and cold water uh they had uh a new bell and automatic alarm systems because i guess before that point, without knowing anything about lighthouse mechanisms, to ring the bell was a manual effort. And so to ring the bell, that became part of their like consistent regular tasks where it was really exhausting. They would, it would be a time killer that they would have to, they'd be away from all their other duties. And so, uh, also if the light was out out i guess they wouldn't have known originally unless they like were doing a walk around anyway now there's an alarm system that tells you when the light is out and the bells are ringing on its own so it's just new and improved now in the 1960s

the last lighthouse keeper lived there named raymond hartzell uh it was 1966 and he was there all the way until the last time the lighthouse was lit which i imagine was very emotional uh as someone who has dedicated his life to this job i i'm emotional and i don't even really care about lighthouses so i imagine he was having a hard day when when the lighthouse turned off for the last time uh and maryland turned the point lookout property into a park and kept the lighthouse open as apartments so there was two different apartments there anyway i guess they were like let's just make it a thing i want to live there i listen it is not apartments anymore it ended in 1981 so from 1966 to 1981, people were living there. And at some point it said the Coast Guard took over and they were, I think they might've stationed, built their own

little station next to the lighthouse at one point. I also heard the Navy owned the property for a second, or they leased it from the state. I don't really know. I couldn't keep up with that timeline, but just know that the state of Maryland ended up taking it in, turning it into a park. And until the eighties it was apartments. So people literally lived in the lighthouse, uh, and I guess weren't lighthouse keepers. They were just regular Zandi Schieffer people. And during this time is when people began reporting spooky phenomena. And now we get into the ghosts yeah maybe i should take it back i don't know if i want to live there actually well think of the airbnb

ability like think of its potential though of like here's a haunted lighthouse that you just get to stay in now think of the views i mean capitalism but also like think of like how much if you were like a good old rotten dirty scoundrel willing to make people spend that kind of money how much could you make someone pay for a lighthouse apartment that's haunted with that kind of water view i may or may not have a list of airbnbs that are also lighthouses or future reference uh i would like you to report back. That sounds so cool. They are on your current coast. So the ones that I've seen are mostly on the California coast. So I've literally watched a documentary about Airbnb and how horrible some people who use those places can be,

like just trash the fucking place, throw house parties. And yet my very toxic brain, my first thought was, Zandy, you tell me when you're here, and we're going to throw the biggest house party ever at that lighthouse. Trash the shit out of it. Trash the shit. Complete disrespect. No, we wouldn't do that.

But think if we were 16, it'd be a good time. So fun. So let's see. So now are the ghosts. So people lived there through the 80s but in the 1970s one of the people who lived there uh i don't know if they if hmm i don't know if every person who lived there i don't know if any of them got to actually be civilians or if maybe they were park rangers and it was like kind of a perk of you got to live on the property. Because any person I mention in this that has personal experiences inside the lighthouse, I'm assuming because they lived there, also had some sort of job at the park. I don't know. For all I know, there were civilians. I don't know if that's the right word. Non-park rangers.

there were civilians i don't know if that's the right word non-park rangers for all i know they also live there i don't mean to like have totally gotten your hopes up that that was an option for people and not take it away but it seems like it was mainly park rangers which um makes sense though i think it makes sense also i went to school i worked at a water in a water town um at yorktown beach and it was there was a whole strip of super historical homes that were all from like the 1600s and the two like most famous of the historical buildings that you would always walk by one of them if you were the park ranger you got to live there and if you were the mayor of yorktown you got to live in the other house so i'm wondering if it's like a government park yeah maybe someone slithered in there and they just

got to live there i don't know that would be me if i have enough money i would pay my way into that i'd be like i am the mayor now well yeah actually yeah if i have enough money i could probably do a lot of shitty political things so yeah i'll get there i'll get there so uh the main person that i'm going to talk about with all the ghosts is park manager Gerald Sword, which is such a badass name. And when he first moved in in the 1970s, the other room was taken by the assistant park manager named Anna Carpenter, who I guess didn't live there for very long. She very quickly moved out. And we'll get to their encounters, but I just want to finish the timeline real quick is that they were there for the 1970s and the 1980s,

the secretary of state for Maryland, uh, Laura Berg, or she become, she, one day in the future, she would be the secretary of state for Maryland. She also lived in the lighthouse at one point with her husband.

And I don't know if she had any affiliation with the lighthouse, which is why I'm thinking anyone could have just lived there if there was a vacancy yeah um she also had a lot of experiences and i guess she reached out to the park manager gerald sword and was like hey are you having creepy things going on because i had creepy things go on and together they reached out to the maryland committee for psychical Research. And they were like, this place creeps us out. Come on in. And they ended up sending out people to do the first paranormal investigation at Point Lookout Lighthouse. And that was in, I think, 1980. It was led by a very famous parapsychologist named Hans Holzer. And although he's very famous, I did not know about him until this story um but

he seems like he's written like like over 50 books on the paranormal he like hosted a tv show for a little bit so it's the uh he's the cat's pajamas I just didn't know about him and so now I'll tell you real quick what Gerald's and the assistant park manager, Anna's stories were. So I'm going to try to rapid fire it because wow, just so many ghosts and so little time. So, I mean, it makes sense.

Just like last week's episode. Like it makes sense. All this history. Like, yeah. Thank you. Oh, I'm glad that you appreciate the research that went into that.

So, uh, and by the way, usually when I do a ghost story, I'm like, wow appreciate the research that went into that. So, uh, and by the way, usually when I do a ghost story, I'm like, wow, like if I just get like four or five really good spooky stories out of it, then I'm going to call it a win. This thing, like every website I looked at had different stories. Like it was just like, I usually there's like a consistency to notes, but people had been getting their information from all over the place. So it was just like, ghost story, ghost story, ghost story, ghost story. It's crazy. So here are just some of the things that Gerald and Anna specifically saw

when they moved into the seventies. They heard walking in the attic with very heavy boot steps, boot footsteps, booted footsteps. They heard furniture moving on its own when the other person wasn't around they heard voices during storms uh once gerald saw the kitchen wall glowing for 10 minutes it's like yo it was the 70s i like to think maybe he was tripping but like i would if i were gerald i'd be praying that i was tripping and i forgot um but apparently the whole wall was glowing uh doors and windows open and close on their own lights uh turn on and off by themselves

they would hear items just crashing throughout the entire building and like not knowing where it was coming from they would go check and nothing had moved they couldn't find anything that or they found things on the floor and it didn't they couldn't explain why it had moved at all there were strange lights that would appear throughout the house. They would see shadow figures walking around. Gerald heard voices around the house as well as coughing. And there was a two-week period where he heard a man in his kitchen snoring every night. Which is me as a ghost.

That sounds so annoying. I mean, like, ghosts can freak me out, do little things, break some stuff. But snoring, especially if it's consistent, just come on, let me sleep. As a podcaster, when I need the silence, can you imagine being like, look, I know we all hear the snoring. There's literally nothing I can do. Also, very creepy, his dog would act super weird. And this was not the first time.

This became like a recurring thing where people's pets would just freak the fuck out for no reason his dog started staring at invisible things that were moving back and forth it would even lunge in the middle of the night and like snarl bark at something as if there was danger afoot one night gerald woke up to actually find his dog locked out of his house, even though the locks in his house were still locked from the inside. Ghost had enough. Ghost was like, stop barking at me, you little shit. You're going outside.

Just like Christine, if you're listening, just letting you know, like at any moment that's going to happen to Gio. Like that dog loves to bark at nothing but yeah truly they were just like okay you are really getting in the way of me being like spooky and invisible you're really like thrown off the vibe and just lock the dog out another night during a storm gerald felt watched and when he looked out the window he saw a man wearing old-fashioned clothing staring at him i'm glad you say because i also said but what gerald said was come on in so he he just opened the door i don't know if he i'm guessing i'm trying to explain his uh lack of sanity that i feel like maybe he thought like

oh someone is coming in from the water and they were like looking for help. I don't know what was going on. He saw this man in old fashioned clothing. He opened the door to see what he wanted. And the man floated into the room and vanished. No. Oh. And apparently the description of this ghost looked exactly like pictures of Jay Heaney who died in the hurricane crash in 1878.

This one is super crazy. And I just kept the quote in because I didn't even want to try to mess with it. But basically, Gerald, one night the power went out. So he lit three candles. There was one candelabra. He lit three candles. All the candles were the same height when he lit them. He left the room for only a couple seconds, heard a sound and came back to check on the candelabra. down one of them burned four inches down and the third candle quote had only about an inch of the candle remaining however a section of the candle rested on the floor nearby which was the sound that he had probably heard apparently apparently somehow the candle had been broken the wick on the length of the candle lying on the floor had been lit, but was now extinguished. Inexplicably, the small piece of candle in the candelabra was still lit. So it had basically,

someone had gone over and snapped the candle, thrown it on the ground, took the, like burnt out the wick and then relit the smaller wick that was still left. It's, those find very specific ways to be so creepy. Yeah.

This is so specific, this action. It's a statement personality. Yeah. It's a statement behavior of like, I want you to know exactly that like, you're not crazy, but everyone's going to think you are if you ever tell someone this. I feel like I wonder in those moments,

like if I were a ghost, what would be that one, like, classic M move as a ghost that was just so specific to me that it'd be like, oh, I know exactly who did that from the end. Do you have a thing you would definitely do? I don't know. It reminds me, though, of, I think it's the show Community, where they, like, move everything in the dean's office, like, just slightly.

Except for one thing. So the dean would think that that was the thing that was moved, even though everything else was. It was, like, something weird like that. I don't remember exactly. But, yeah, just the idea of just, like, those very little, little like this one seems like a lot and very like oh wow something happened here but i kind of want to do very subtle things so that they're not even reporting me they're like no they don't even know they just think that they're going crazy just good old-fashioned gaslighting just like you know what i'm good at i'm just kidding

i know i feel like i would probably be this candle guy where it's like i'm good at i'm just kidding oh no i no i feel like i would probably be this candle guy where it's like i'm gonna do so something so like unnecessarily aggressive and yet like for no reason for for nothing except to just throw you off um so if i were to fall over tomorrow and become a ghost know that if something really out of sight happens for no reason it was me um so also remember the secretary of state from Maryland Laura eventually moves in so Laura had some additionally equally creepy things happen to her where she I think the first night she was there woke up to hearing heavy footsteps in the hallway outside her room. She heard a voice just sing it on the staircase out and proud. And apparently the song was very happy. But after we just recorded the last episode where that very happy song your dad sang was about like making your eyes into jelly.

I don't know. Without knowing the lyrics, I don't want to confirm that it was in fact a happy song. She also heard men laughing in the living room. And there was this weird stench coming out of the guest room. She saw several apparitions in the basement. And her friend saw a woman on the stairs. So I guess this woman that was on the stairs, I think, was also the same woman's voice that was singing a happy song. And people think that it's Ann Davis, the original wife of the original lighthouse keeper who took over when her husband died. A lot of people think it's her her just like keeping up with her usual tasks

and people have seen her in a blue skirt and a white blouse always at the top of the stairs so i'm guessing because she heard singing at the top of the stairs it was probably ann and when laura's mom came to visit and stayed in one of the rooms at the lighthouse she woke up to her voice being called out in the bedroom no thank you there's literally just something about that i hate the idea of being waking up to a voice next to me like in my ear saying my name it's like the fact that it's it's one thing to hear footsteps and maybe it's some residual haunting, but when it's your name, um, Oh yeah. It's intelligent and it knows it's creepy as hell.

It's very personal. It's like they're after you. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they want, they don't, they want your attention. It's not like you happen to walk past them when they're walking down the

hall. It's like, Oh, they're waking you up from your sleep to let you know that they know who you are. No, thank you. But at one point, even though it's super creepy, the spirits did save her at one point because she woke up out of nowhere, out of a random sleep and saw these six lights racing all around the room. all around the room. And she realized that when she was looking for the lights,

she ended up smelling something and realized her space heater had caused an electrical fire in the other room. Oh, dear. So she feels like she never felt anything truly menacing there. And after that experience, I think she saw them as helpful or just maybe kind of chaotically in her way, but never mean. They just were looking out for her. And anyway, so between Laura's experiences and Gerald's experiences, they reach out to the Paranormal Committee of Maryland,

or Committee of Psychical Research, and the committee itself brings out Hans Holzer, that famous parapsychologist, and he leads an investigation with a bunch of mediums and, I guess, demonologists, or at least enthusiasts in the group. And they, in that one investigation, not only caught 24 different EVPs, like 24 different recordings,

I don't know how many actual EVPs it was, they caught 24 different voices though wow so i'm imagining there was more than 24 evps but they got 24 different voices they could recognize all talking to them during that experience i mean imagine like that was 1980 and it's the first paranormal investigation can you imagine the centuries of ghosts that want to talk to you seriously yeah i'm shocked it was only 24 actually i'm like yeah that's i i there's got to be hundreds that want to say something and that was like that was within the lighthouse though yeah because like on the property like they specifically were investigating

the lighthouse yeah yeah because i bet like if you go to any other parts of the property there probably be so many more too like just all around yeah wow so anyway they they got a lot of really direct sentences including fire if they get too close to you which they think might have been one of the guards during the civil war uh they got a woman's voice saying this is my home they got another woman's voice saying let us not take the let us not take objection to what they are doing which is one a really quality sentence to have caught on an EVP. And second of all, like, so kind and understanding and open-minded of a random ghost watching us investigate. Apparently, they also saw the apparition of Ann Davis, I think, on top of the stairs.

And spirits at this lighthouse have been seen in photographs, including one really notable picture, which was taken during this investigation. They did a seance in the lighthouse and the picture. Let me send it to you, actually. So this is a picture from that investigation in 1980, and it's an investigator holding a candle in the room. Oh, wow. To her left, there is a Confederate soldier leaning against the wall. Oh, dear.

You can kind of, it's, it's a blurry picture, but you can see that there's like the classic Confederate outfit. It's like, it's like he's only in half the frame or only half his body is in the frame, but you can see someone leaning there.

His legs are crossed. He's his little, his hands are behind his back and he's just leaning against the wall. And nobody was there when they took the picture and nobody saw him when they took the picture. That's something where I'm like, cause you see a lot of pictures like this and they say, Oh yeah.

Like, look at what I saw. And I'm like, I don't see anything. Like, what are you talking about? But this, I'm like,

I see a person there. And like, without being told there's a person there, I'm like, that is't see anything. Like, what are you talking about? But this, I'm like, I see a person there. Like, without being told there's a person there, I'm like, that is clearly somebody. Oh my gosh. And so that's, that really freaked me out because I feel the same way where I'm like, yeah, I'm sure there was a face, blah, blah, blah.

No, that's really a reenactment soldier. It looks like someone reenacting or someone that got paid to be there or a poster or something. So there's also another famous picture, which I could not find a picture of, and it's of Ann Davis and her blue skirt and white blouse at the top of the stairway.

Apparently there's, it's a really famous picture and yet I couldn't find it online. So I'm not sure about that. And they also got two particularly interesting EVPs in the basement. One was of a steam whistle yet i couldn't find it online so i i'm not sure about that and they also got two uh particularly interesting evps in the basement one was of a steam whistle which makes no sense and another was uh of shutters window shutters rattling but the shutters were removed years ago

also in the room that laura often said had a weird smell to it. She said it smelled rotten or something like too sweet. So almost the smell of death, I would guess. During that investigation, a medium went in there and she said that she felt really ill and that something really bad had happened to someone in the room. And I guess when the investigators were discussing that people were once held against their will in the lighthouse, when they were prisoners of war, after they addressed it, the odor went away. And I'm not sure if that means permanently,

but that was the last, uh, writings I could find of it. Interesting. So it was almost as if like, it just wanted acknowledgement and then passed on as for other activity, which is the last section I've got for you. People have been grabbed people

have been shoved in different parts usually the basement of the lighthouse items have flown off of shelves they've seen apparitions of soldiers all over the ground so whether that's in the lighthouse or near the lighthouse or just patrolling the land it's pretty rampant these soldier ghosts there are shadow figures everywhere uh lights not only turn on off by themselves but there's like floating racing lights that will show up in a random room uh laura once smelled really really strong coffee for no reason at one point during a different investigation uh it was apparently documented that 55 of the EVPs were male voices while 45% were female. And they got the phrase, help me, I can protect you.

And then 23 times they got the word, hey. It's interesting. There's one guy who named Robbie. I don't know what Robbie's deal was, but he was going through a rough patch. know what Robbie's deal was, but he was going through a rough patch. And he said that at different times, the way that he cleansed his mind or just got away from it all was in the middle of the night, he would just drive to the lighthouse and park there and just kind of like look out to the water. And sounds like something I would do. Okay, I'm nervous. Well, Robbie said at different times that when he was parked there, he would hear voices right outside of the car

window talking to him. He would hear rattling tin cans and he would hear horses galloping whoa people have seen uh gray faceless figures walking towards them and then vanishing and shadows disappearing into walls most of the activity is allegedly from october through april or again during inclement weather when like a storm's going to show up and one ranger living here allegedly had a sick kid who wasn't getting better but there was always this creepy cold spot in the area and I guess someone said oh that might be a spirit and so they just kind of shouted into the room like hey cold spot like can you leave so you know maybe my kid can get better and I and as soon as they said that the cold spot went away and the kid got better which is kind of creepy because if that's true it sounds like this thing was almost like trying to attach to the kid or was like sucking out its energy and

like or you know existing by taking something from this child but it sounds weirdly polite like oh you asked me nicely to stop? Of course I will. It sounds like one of those, like, I don't know, in my mind, like a shitty middle schooler where it's like, well, you didn't tell me I couldn't do it. And then, like, once you say something, they'll leave you alone. And then in 1977, another ranger lived there named Donnie, and he worked on the beach and saw a woman looking around at the ground so he approached her and all she said was she lived up a ways and asked if she asked the ranger if he knew where the gravestones were that used to be there and he didn't want to bother her so he turned around to leave and when he looked back she was gone even though it was like the middle of a vast beach she couldn't have ran away that fast

so he later asked gerald sword if there were any gravestones in the area and gerald said oh yeah but no one knows exactly where they are anymore back when the taylor family lived here there was a family graveyard and one of the members of the family was named elizabeth and her headstone was stolen so people think that might have been Elizabeth looking for her own headstone. One of the most common spirits, which Ranger Donnie also mentions, is this gaunt man in heavy wool clothes. Apparently he, or at least other spirits dressed like him,

are regularly approaching people. He smells like mildew and gunpowder. He's very, he looks looks i don't know if sick is the right word but really skinny he his clothes are really dirty and he's often seen running across the road unaware of others it's almost as if it's like some sort of residual on loop haunting and this is a quote from major donnie. On several occasions, I've witnessed a man running across the road. The sightings always took place during the day and on the same section of the road, and the man always crossed the road just after my truck had passed, causing me to view him in my rearview mirror.

The man was always crossing in the same direction, and other rangers have experienced the same phenomena while passing in their vehicles. rangers have experienced the same phenomena while passing in their vehicles the site of the man's crossing is very near the original confederate cemetery used to bury prisoners who died of smallpox had the man been making the same trek during the civil war he would have been running in a route that would have taken him directly to the smallpox hospital reportedly confederate prisoners would trick the union guards into sending them to the hospital and then they would attempt to escape through the same area of woods which i've seen the man so it's almost like just watching history happen either he he probably faked smallpox and then just fucking ran for it or he could have died from smallpox and was running towards the cemetery so um super creepy and then i wanted to say that

like i mentioned earlier that these ghosts really freak dogs out um like gerald's dog got locked out of the house in the 1980s there was another assistant park manager living there named bruce whose dog would freak the fuck out and literally would jump through glass windows to get out of the house like through closed glass windows and they eventually had to replace the house's windows with plexiglass and even after that bruce found his dog one time had jumped through the second story window and found him he was fine but they found him on the roof of like the first floor because he had jumped through the window um and he was barking because now he was stuck on the porch but like he was desperate to get out of that house she is and then in 1999 another ranger lived there named kevin

hook and he said that his house at one point the temperature read like 100 degrees and then quote the dogs ran panic stricken into the dining room and barked continuously into the oven like room all of a sudden the room turned bitter cold even though the thermometer still read 100 degrees the room was stone cold in seconds we could even see our breath when we exhaled it remained cold for about 30 seconds and then returned to its sauna like condition so it's not just normal temperature drops it's like 100 degrees i can see my breath 100 degrees i can see my breath crazy creepy and then i've got two quotes for you and then i'm done uh that one is from a website it was just people writing in about their personal stories. And one is from 2013 from a person named Kristen who says, quote, I personally experienced one of the Confederate soldiers at Point Lookout. He looks exactly like Abe Lincoln in a Confederate soldier suit and

looks worried but on a mission. I thought it was so odd that he was in such heavy, outdated clothing because it was in the high 90s outside. I thought it was an actor for he was in such heavy, outdated clothing because it was in the high 90s outside. I thought it was an actor for the park, and he paid us no mind, but about 10 minutes later, we were chased by a presence that we couldn't see. It was moving in the tall grass and trees behind us, and we could hear the footsteps down the trail. When we would run, it would run, and when we stopped, it would stop. Don't like that. Abso-fucking-lutely not. That sounds like some

jeepers creepers stuff of like you're running through a cornfield and you can't see the person chasing you and also the fact that it would stop when you would stop tells me that like it was playing a game with you that you didn't consent to the last quote i have is my favorite and uh it's from i don't know if they were investigators or just visiting but their names were Jim and Julie and they said as we climbed the south side stairs to the second floor a young boy maybe eight years old followed us bubbling over with stories about the house and its hauntings I did notice that he was alone and not with a family group and I recall him saying this is the most hauntedest lighthouse in the whole country he followed us and talked with us for a few minutes, then went back downstairs at some point.

And when we went back downstairs, we mentioned to the volunteer that his son was delightful and he had been well-trained. The volunteer said he had no son, nor did he have any children with him. We looked around the grounds, no children. When we got home, we played the video and there was no child in that video,

nor was there any young voice audible. Wow. Okay. That is where a child should have been. Twas not. That's the ghost I want to meet, though. That kid sounds. Yeah.

But also the awareness as a ghost of like, this is the most haunted place you'll ever fucking find. Toodaloo. Like, it's like a sense of pride. Like, and I'm one of the people haunting it. Like, yeah, i know it so uh the just for people wondering if they can go to point lookout state park and see the lighthouse themselves the park does close daily at sunset and uh the preservation society sometimes does open it up for walkthroughs and i guess if you pay a certain amount you can also stay and do paranormal investigations in the lighthouse and living history which is like the reenactment company uh they still do reenactments in june at the lighthouse of the civil war and the

the acting troop that does the civil war reenactments there is called Lee's Miserables, which I love that. Not super tasteful, but I appreciate the creativity of Lee's Miserables. So, um, oh my God. Anyway, that is the story of Point Lookout Lighthouse. And that was long. I'm sorry, but Zandy, you deserve a good lighthouse story. I loved it. And, um, I was curious and what an organization that i um i love is the united states lighthouse society um yeah you know and they have a passport system similar to what they do with uh national parks where if you bring this lighthouse passport to a lighthouse they will stamp it for you um so i have have stamps from all these lighthouses I went to. And I was curious, and sure enough, Point Lookout is on there.

So it's one that I can get a stamp at when I visit. So I'm very excited. I think you mentioned that to me after our first recording together about the little booklet where you can get stamps. And that was when I got my teeth sunken. Sandy sandy i don't think you know what kind of psychological damage you did to me after our first episode because we you and i talked in the best way because you and i all it takes is one person to be passionate about something and i'll pretty much get hyper fixated on my own about it and we talked about lighthouses and you did it with such passion and you talked

about a little booklet where i could collect stamps you know collecting things especially little novelty tchotchkes and um i like spent the next three hours just looking at lighthouses i don't know what was wrong with me but i was like xander would be so proud and so i i still think of that little booklet so this is one of the places that you can experience that. And here it is right here. My little lighthouse passport. And yeah, so what I do is not all the places I went had stamps.

So I just wrote in the day that I went. But some of them do. So these are just some examples of where I went. Do you have a favorite ones, Andy? Honestly, like... Like a favorite stamp? Like just artistically? Oh, you know what?

Probably, I think one of my favorites is like just... It's just so clean and like shows a classic as a Lazzaretto point, which honestly was not the most scenic of lighthouses, I will say. It's just kind of out there. But that stamp, I'm like, damn, like that's a good looking stamp. He's the Rudolph of lighthouses, but he it's just kind of out there but that stamp i'm like damn like that's a good looking stamp he's the rudolph of lighthouses but he makes up for it with his little mark exactly exactly small but mighty i mighty yeah i you really have i've actually thought about getting a lighthouse booklet and i was like oh who do i think i am like i'm i know i'm not going to

i'm not zandy schieffer i'm not to make it a thing where I go to every lighthouse. But now I'm thinking like, what about that one time I'm near a lighthouse? Like, I got to see if there's a stamp. And so anyway, you have not completely turned me, but I am, I'm swayed. I'm very interested in the lighthouses more than I was. Good to hear. I also have a spreadsheet of all the lighthouses I visited. Um, and that helps me keep track of it. Same with my, I did that with

my record collection recently, which is why I know how much it's worth technically. I have a spreadsheet of all my Pokemon cards. It makes sense. I think it's a good thing to do. Um, but like that was one thing when, um, I visited the, so my now girlfriend, uh, when um i visited d so my now girlfriend uh when i first visited wasn't my girlfriend but we went to montauk at the end of long island and then i went to visit her again when we were dating and she was like look at all these lighthouses on long island and we like i feel like we barely scratched the surface like i saw like three you were you were all probably mushy gushy in love, which is a sign. By the way, D, if you're listening, like he didn't even notice lighthouses next to you.

Let's put it that way. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, good point. I should have said that. But yeah, so there's so many. And so, yeah, I encourage everyone to just look around where you live. Like where I am now in Cincinnati, no lighthouses nearby, except there are along the northern coast, along Lake Erie. There are like, I think five or six, maybe even seven lighthouses.

One, I think is like in Cedar Point, like in the amusement park or something. So yeah, so just look in your area like that. You'd be surprised that even in Philadelphia, I went to one that was on the Schuylkill. Is that how you say it? I don't even know. Schuylkill River in Philadelphia, like in the city, there's a lighthouse and it's what was so random. Yeah, it's really cool.

That's pretty fun. Yeah, that's pretty fun. Yeah. So anyway, I encourage you all to go look for your own lighthouses. And I have a story of one in Scotland now. Scotland, comma, not Maryland. Got it. Yeah, not Maryland. Okay. This is in, okay,

it's in like Kirk, Kirkidbright? K-I-R-K-C-U-D B-R-I-G-H-T. Oh, that guy. Yeah. That that place um but technically it's not in there it's on its own island uh this is the little ross island lighthouse and there was a murder there that took place in 1960 uh so just a single murder um just i say oh my gosh I don't know how to talk about murder I don't do it too often but

how many years into this now actually by the time this comes out we're coming up on our five year anniversary we still don't know how to talk about murder it's like it's such a you know you want to do it as respectfully as possible but I know what you meant by just one like versus like

a slew, you know? I did like 27 last episode, 27 plus last episode. So it's like, and yet you've got enough information about this just one to make an episode out of it. So it's probably horrible. Yeah, exactly. Um, so this, so how I started though was because I wanted to get a little background. So I found a newspaper article from 1836. This is from the Times in London and there was a petition to create a lighthouse because at the time in 1836 there was no lighthouse. So it says

Mr. C. Ferguson said he rose to present petitions from the landholders and commissioners of supply of the Stewartry. There's words in these old articles. I'm like, I don't know half of what I'm reading. Makes me feel so dumb. Have you ever done the, I don't mean to interrupt you mid-quote, but have you ever taken the 8th grade test from like, there's a, what's it called? There was a certain year where there was a like super hard eighth grade test is what I'm typing in. Most of them would be for me now, I'm sure.

No, there's a, oh, 1912. Okay, so if you look this up later. Oh, one's from 1912. The other so if you look this up later. Oh, one's from 1912. The other one's from 1895 in Kansas. So go, everyone, if you want to feel really, really gross about yourself. In 1895, the eighth grade test from Kansas. Apparently it was like the standard test children took at the time. I'm telling you, I think I could answer one question.

Maybe. And still not even really be confident about the answer but just saying like those people grew up to write those articles you're reading right now which is why we don't know what's going on i found it now and it's like how many parts of speech are there define each and i'm like no thank you um there's present past scared fear and sarcasm and i live only exclusively on those two oh my god yeah oh so yeah reading these articles old articles i'm like half the words don't make sense to me but uh it does say um so basically they petitioned the merchants, shipowners, and mariners of the Kirkcudbright area complaining of the want of lighthouses on the Scotch side of the Solway Frith, whatever that means. I mean, ask a kid from Kansas in 1895, they'll tell you. Whereby numerous shipwrecks and great loss of life were frequently occasioned on that coast uh so a lot of people were saying hey look we're losing people uh we're losing

supplies to shipwrecks we would love to have a lighthouse other people were saying it's really not that it's really it's really not that deep and that's literally what it's like they're saying like it's not that it's pretty shallow there. So some other people on the other side were like, no, this isn't that big of a deal. Physically. Not that deep.

I thought you meant, I thought you meant people were like, it was like just good old Trumpers today of like, you're being too sensitive. Like, but both exactly like that. So both are true. Um,

of what it's based on what I've read. Um, but then people saying like, if they basically said, look, if there were a lighthouse, we would not have lost these lives. And they also said there had been 66 vessels altogether lost on that part of the coast during the last 30 years. And the establishment of a lighthouse on the spot he had named might have averted those to a great extent, if not entirely. And the lighthouse would be scarcely one-tenth of the amount, the cost to create it would be one-tenth of the amount of the cargos that some of the ships lost.

So basically they were like, it'll pay for itself if we can save some lives and save some cargo. It looks like in here, it looks like 1,400 pounds is what the amount that they were saying, which today would be, based on what I Googled, $172,000. Wow. Which is a lot, but I guess for the sake of saving lives, you know, hey. And hey, more lighthouses for me to visit one day. I'm for it.

I mean, I guess I spoiled it. The lighthouse was obviously built. Hey, well, you know, I had a hunch from the second you said this story was about a lighthouse, so it had to show up at some point. And then there was, in 1842, when it was built, there was another article I found in the belfast newsletter um in northern ireland and it was like a it said notice to mariners little ross island lighthouse now the commissioners of northern lighthouses hereby give notice that a lighthouse

has been erected upon the summit of the little ross island in the stewart tree of kirkcudbright And then they give more technical details. It says, for example, there'll be a bright flash of light once every five seconds of a time, which means 12, and it says, or 12 flashes in a minute. It talks about the lantern, and then nautical sounding words in here that I don't understand, but it says it's elevated 175 feet above the level of the sea. You can see it in clear weather at a distance of six leagues and at lesser distances according to the state of the atmosphere. Question, again, for the children in Kansas.

Probably not. No answer. What is a league? A league? It's like a... I know there's 20,000 of them under the sea, but that's all I know. I don't know if it's different from like a nautical mile. Let's see.

A league is three statute miles oh god okay that does not help me what's a statute mile it's like okay i've got a friend who's a pilot and he talks in knots now even when he's driving his car and i'm like shut the hell up like we know what you're doing here and i'm not a fan of it um yeah so in the english-speaking word it's most common it is okay as three miles oh okay but it says but the length of a mile could vary from place to place it's just a mess okay so that was the stupidest question i could have asked okay at c a league is three nautical miles interesting i did not that. So yeah, that is what a league is. So you can see it at three nautical miles.

Hey, we both learned something today. Good. Or did we? I don't know. Kind of. I don't think so, but that's okay. And they also mentioned that there are going to be tolls put in place in order to pay for this lighthouse. So if you were going, and they had a whole list of different ports, and they said,

if you're going from this port to this port, or this port to this port, or this port to this port, or that port to that port, you're going to have to pay. This away or that away, yeah. So it says the toll of one half penny per ton of the burden of every such vessel. This really is such a math problem.

You're writing this down, right? I've checked out. But for foreign vessels not so privileged the toll of one penny per ton so uh yeah those foreigners pricey gotta gotta up the up the price now tell me the equivalency of a a half penny to my first edition pikachu what is that your first edition pikachu is worth is worth 3.7 half pennies in 1842. Yeah, sure. I'm going to put that on eBay and see what people think.

I'll see if any bites come through. So the lighthouse was obviously constructed, but it was constructed by Alan Stevenson, who was a Scottish civil engineer known for his work with lighthouses specifically. He had built 13 lighthouses in Scotland, and he was part of a very, very famous family known as the Stevenson family, who I looked at and I'm like, damn, they are all famous. It's usually for quote unquote boring things like engineering um okay and like they're very it seems like just very well educated very smart people here doing really big things for the country of scotland um they had like and they were but there was like also like an art

critic and then most famously an author who was Robert Louis Stevenson, known for writing Treasure Island, and then A Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, and he was Alan, the lighthouse constructor, Alan's nephew. Wow, can you imagine having that blood run through your veins and the pressure of being brilliant when you're- I can, veins and the pressure of being brilliant? I can, actually. Oh. As one of those brilliant people.

Oh. I was going to say, hey, what a compliment to Christine. Oh, I see what you're talking about. Okay. I was complimenting the both of us. Okay. That's fair enough. I'll do that.

But no, yeah. Like, right? You're like, oh, shit. My uncle is this famous civil engineer. And, like, these all, they were all, like, the government were government were like knighting the, I don't know what they do in Scotland, I forget. But all these people were like really, really, really famous. But imagine the holidays when everyone gets together and like roasts each other on like, you're not even knighted. Like, who do you think, like, you're not even that cool.

Like, I would love to be a fly on the wall, but not at all a family member and just see how they all interact with each other. To be fair, based on accents and the words they use, I don't think I'd understand a single word of their conversations. Okay. As the fly on the wall, I would fly out the window pretty fast.

Yeah, exactly. Got it. So the lighthouse itself and the property has a pretty ordinary history. There was nothing, there were no hospitals for uh prisoners of war and everything um but uh there's typically a head lighthouse keeper an underkeeper and then their families like i was saying they kind of like also started

marrying each other and we're just kind of right all one big happy family well if you're in the middle of like a if you're just they are the only people that you see on land i can see why you fall in love with each other yeah and for options and for food they had a small dairy and they kept pigs to slaughter um and the most people living there at one time was apparently 14 people and that was in 1861 um but total since the time that this lighthouse was created, there had been 61 principal and assistant keepers in its history. So pretty solid history, lots of people, but nothing that I could find that was too dramatic. So nothing

that interesting until that is 1960. So this was on August 18th, 1960. thomas robertson collin who was a banker and his son david who was an architecture student sailed to the island for a picnic and i'm gonna mostly be talking about this uh talking about david who uh who's the son who was 19 at the time uh he um he's the one who's as far as i know he's still alive he still talks about this and i read a lot of interviews with him and i watched a video of him being interviewed i believe by the bbc and yeah so and he wrote a book as well talk about that um so most of this will be from like his perspective or a lot of these a lot of my sources were from his words from the experience so uh he

was a frequent visitor of this lighthouse uh he would sail there often for lunch or whatever just to go see it um it sounds like it really does sound like you yeah exactly just a casual lunch break at the lighthouse exactly and he because of though, he could tell something was off. He saw, I believe it was like a rowboat sitting funny, like in a weird spot. And he, and it was really quiet that day. So it was a holiday, a local holiday. And the principal keeper was not there. And he had been on either vacation or taking a break. And so they had two relief keepers. Okay, still, he went and they sailed a break. And so they had two relief keepers. But still, he went and they sailed up there.

And they're like, huh, it is suspiciously quiet. So they were looking for the keepers at first. And they didn't see them. Their names were Hugh Clark and Robert Dixon. And as a courtesy, they went up to the lighthouse, the two, David and his dad. And they knocked on the door to notify them like, hey, we're on the island. It's not a particularly big island, so they didn't want to be, like, have them suspicious of what they were up to. So they knocked to try to get their attention and say, hey,

we're here. Gonna have some lunch, and then we'll head out. There was no answer, so they went about their picnic. And during their picnic, they heard a phone ring. And it just rang and rang and rang. It was never answered. So they're like, okay, strange. And they made a mental note that once they were done with their picnic, they would go to the cottages that were on the island to see if they could find the keepers.

Oh, okay. I think they might be sleeping or something. So after their picnic, they went to the principal keeper's cottage. I think they might be sleeping or something. So after their picnic, they went to the principal keeper's cottage. And David said he found it, quote, spick and span, neat, clean, tidy, beautiful. A budgie singing in its cage. No sign of anybody.

So he said that was. Sorry, what was the budgie thing? Apparently there was a budgie there, like an actual bird, like in a cage. Oh. Like. Oh, I thought this was like a phrase, like a fun little. Me too at first. But I saw two different sources that mentioned this bird. So I figured like, I don't think multiple people are saying, using this phrase.

Or it's just a Scottish phrase. Spick and span, budgie in a cage. And I was like, that sounds like Ellen. Well, you say it sounds like something from Mary Poppins, you know? Right. Well. So maybe. Jim Chimory.

I really thought that, uh, okay. So there was just a bird in a cage. Okay. Careful. Uh, there might be some emails coming in with people correcting and saying that is in fact a phrase, but it seemed like there's a bird there. I don't know. You'll be long gone by then, Zandy. I'll deal with it. Don't worry.

Twirling my mustache like I can't grow and be like, like, got him um anyway so yeah uh it was very clean and tidy so they went to the second cottage uh the dad knocked on the cottage and immediately and like and then like went in when there was no answer and came out immediately and said hey we need to get help um something's wrong and he said that he saw hugh clark in there with a towel wrapped around his head lying still and he said must be an ailment like he didn't know what it was he just said this it was he's 64 years old he saw them

and he was like huh something's up let's go call for help so they alerted nearby fishermen who then contacted the police and took three hours before the police could arrive and it wasn't until that the police arrived that it was clear that he was murdered so okay they just were kind of sitting around like oh gosh like you know something happened like in some sort of accident happened but then the police came saw that he had been shot through the head uh with a 22 caliber rifle whoa oh so that's the towel on his head then and it was covering up the wound yeah yeah so uh obviously there was only one real suspect and it was the other relief keeper right who was 20 who was missing he was not no longer on the island it was 25 year old um robert dixon uh and a nationwide manhunt

began searching for him and he was eventually found in yorkshire and brought back for a trial so at the time there was a lot of media surrounding the case and a lot of the newspapers apparently were fabricating all of these details and making it really, really a lot more dramatic than it was. Obviously, it was a tragedy, but there were so many details that were falsely published about him being stabbed multiple times that it was like this brutal slaying. So MrNewspapers.com, did you find any of these articles? I looked and I couldn't. And I think part of the reason why is because their database isn't too, like when it comes to foreign newspapers, like you'll get like the Times in London, which I found, like certain, like Belfast, major cities, but not a lot of the smaller local ones internationally that you get. Gotcha. Because in the U.S. you see so many smaller local, but that you get gotcha because in the u.s you see so many

smaller local um but they're still adding some so who knows maybe they will be uh one day but i i very much wanted to find one but uh they so they captured him brought him back for trial he pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity but he ended up being convicted of murder and sentenced to be hanged and the argument there are a couple arguments on both sides. So on the one hand, the judge was like, hey, look, this guy had the mental capacity to steal money to go on the run with. So there was like some sort of motive there. But then it was pointed out that the amount of money, and I couldn't find an exact number of how much money, but everyone said it was not enough money to even live a month with. So it was like, what was the point of all this?

Yes, it was just like he chump change and he just ran off with it. Yeah, and there were also a lot of people reporting that he was clearly mentally unstable and there was more issues, including David himself, who was there for the trial because he had to give witness testimony. So they actually ended up commuting his sentence, and he was sentenced to life in prison instead, partially because they were like, yeah, this amount of money was not worth stealing, so it made no sense. And there was no real motive that anyone could find like there was no argument that they heard about it was just some just a tragedy um so then david talked about the case later and said that the real tragedy of the whole thing i mean not beyond the actual murder and what haunted him the most was the trial not even the day of finding the body and being there on the island uh because he said uh that he was horrified to watch the court sentence dixon to death because while there was no doubt in his in david's mind that dixon was

guilty like no of everyone knew that he said he was against the death penalty for one and it was also clear to him that mental illness played a really big part in the murder and there was no reason to um sentence him to death so um after the murder they put out a warning to sailors uh that the lighthouse would not be manned and a year after the murder they decided to just automate uh everything and uh yeah and I think it still works. It's still running. It's still automated. And it's owned by the commissioners for Northern Lighthouses, who still provide maintenance.

But something kind of fun, I thought, was that the rest of the island, not including the lighthouse, but the rest of the island, including a six bedroom B listed cottage, which I had to Google, uh, B listed means it's a building of regional or local importance. So the rest of the island, along with one of these cottages went up for sale in 2017, uh, for 325,000 pounds, which is about $440,000. So you could own this entire island without the lighthouse or without owning the lighthouse including a cottage for 440 thousand dollars sounds like something zandy schieffer would have dipped his toe in i think uh one thousand percent right one thousand percent

and i would like to think i would be the kind of owner that david would want to see because he still visits it he visited that for all these years later. He continues to go. It's one of his favorite places to be. And when asked about the sale, he said, quote, I'd like to see it find a caring owner who wouldn't alter much. And he, again, he visits it often. And he wrote a book about his experience, I think, within the past, like, 10 years.

Oh, wow. It's titled Life and Death on Little Ross. And it's about the island island so it gives a lot of history and then um talks about his experience yeah and i would and i read that it did end up being sold but i didn't read i couldn't find to whom or for how much but what i did read was there was a lot of interest and it ended up going for quite a bit more than their asking price where is little ross again what is this oh it's in london it's in it's in scotland it's in like kirk could write scotland okay i was gonna

say because oh no i was originally thinking like oh maybe it was like robert diney jr because he lives in one but it was it's a windmill not a lighthouse that he oh he i don't know by the way if you are a fan of the architectural digest youtube channel go check out do you watch do you i have seen those yeah yeah have you seen uh robert dunn jr's windmill house i have not i have not it's kind of like i well because i want to ask when you're done with this i'd like to ask what your dream lighthouse living scenario would look like yeah i'll ask after this though interesting um no that was my end of it that was it basically so hey xandy if you lived in a lighthouse what would it if if you

could revamp it or do whatever you wanted to it do you have like a like a preferred lighthouse style you would go with or could you would you turn into like a party lighthouse like if it's not in use anymore would you change out out the torch for a disco ball? How crazy would it get? I think, for me, I'm going to be one of those people who says that I would like to keep it as true to the original design as possible. But I would make it as comfortable as possible for myself. possible, but I would make it as comfortable as possible for myself. Like, especially if it were like a house or if, if, if the living quarters were within the lighthouse itself, I would go all out and just make it my style, do whatever the hell I want on the inside. But on the outside,

it would be just a normal lighthouse. So kind of like one of those cool things where you walk in and you're like, holy shit, this is in here. Like what? I get you. you yeah i feel like i would want to keep the integrity of the lighthouse but i would give myself permission to do whatever i wanted to at least one room and i it would probably do it be like it'd be like apartment rules where like you can't paint the walls or anything because you don't want to like ruin the history but if you can hang it with thumbtacks wow it's gonna look crazy or i I would at least take like for the exterior of a lighthouse. I'm thinking like one of the like classic long, tall towers. Christmas lights.

They do that. They do that. There's some lighthouses in Maine, which is my like, my holy grail is, I don't know what to call it. My place that I want to go to. My Shangri-La. That's what my dad would say in this case, so that's why it's in my mind, is Maine for lighthouses. I've never been to Maine. And that's so like a lot of people are like, you got to go to Maine.

I'm like, I know. Like that is the place to go. But for me, it doesn't feel very accessible. So I would love to do a drive up the coast. But then I'm like, if I'm all the way at the top, where do I fly out of to go home? Do I have to drive all the way back down? Like, I don't know. It just seems like this is a big freaking state.

And I want to see all the lighthouses along the coast. And there are a lot. And I want to go all the way to the tippy tip. I think it's West Quadi Point, which is the easternmost point in the U.S. And it has a gorgeous lighthouse and there's so many gorgeous lighthouses and some of them for Christmas will put up Christmas lights.

That's so sweet. I would like to think they get crazy with it for holidays because you got to keep it... Think about Halloween. Keep it spicy, right? At least make it look like... I don't know what you would do. Oh, no, I don't know what I would do.

I'd come up with something really wild for no reason yeah i i think like uh okay this might be a little much and a little too dramatic but like you know the the barber shop pole how it's like like bloodletting kind of thing but if you could like project onto a white like tower lighthouse like the blood going down for halloween or something like really spooky like that i is that a little much yes no not at all also if we're really if we're getting into projector art i feel like you could do like even look like spider webs and little spiders crawling all over it that's good or you can make it look like um like green clouds or something like kind

of smoky and then you can have like a big like inflatable cauldron at the bottom so you see it like all rising to the top oh my god okay i i love these ideas this is great look you give me a projector i hear thumbs up to do whatever i want i but even like christmas like think of like you can get like little snowflakes, you know, like falling on it. Oh, my God. Wow. Every day, 365 different designs for a projector I'd find for a lighthouse. There was a lighthouse that Dee and I saw. So we saw two at the same time. Execution Rocks from a distance because that's in the middle of the water.

These are both we could see off of Long Island. But the one is privately owned. And it's on the list of the United States Lighthouse Society, on their list. And it's called Sands Point Lighthouse. And on their thing, they say the best way to see it, because it's not accessible any other way, is to go buy it on a boat. But we drove there because we were in the area. And we drove there. We parked. And we were like, oh, this beach. It looks like a public beach. I still am convinced it was a boat um but we drove there because we were in the area and we drove there we parked and we were like oh this beach it looks like a public beach i still am convinced it was a public

beach and we were walking along the beach and we're like i wonder if we can see it from the beach and we saw execution rocks and lighthouse and then we like look to our right and we're like oh shit this is like someone's property like wow so i don't know if we were trespassing i don't know what the laws are around new york beaches but it was not intentional um we were just kind of walking and then we look and we're like holy shit there it is look at it we took a quick selfie and like ran because we were like we don't want anyone to think we're like up to no good we just i was just like really passionate and i think i was wearing like my lighthouse t-shirt so i was like i'm just passionate about lighthouses like please like if anyone like there was private security too on the other end.

They had a private gate and everything. So I was a little nervous. It's like a badge. Who else is wearing a lighthouse sweatshirt, my friend? Exactly. Well, I've been looking while you were talking for the one I wanted to tell you about. I sent you pictures already, but when we had our show in Maine, my goal was to see all of the six.

I think there's six lighthouses in the area or something and I went to see all six I think I got to four it was I'm not kidding less than zero degrees outside it was so fucking cold it was we were there like early February or something and it I remember I went into like it was either Maine or Vermont, but I guess in their like main square, they have basically like an REI. And so I went in there and dropped like $100, $200 on like mountain gear because it was so cold and also because I planned on being outside the whole time. And there was, my favorite one was, one of my favorite ones was Bug Light, which I sent you a picture of.

It was the tiny little stout one. And then my other favorite one was one of my favorite ones was Bug Light, which I sent you a picture of was the tiny little stout one. And then my other favorite one was the Curtis Island Lighthouse, because that was the one that it had. It was out in the middle of the water. And I didn't know. I don't know why I didn't know. I think I didn't want to know that it was probably not legal for you to be out there, because you look up the curtis island lighthouse it's like there's the shore and like where people park and stuff and then there's like a huge track of just

like rocks no bar no banister nothing like you should not be out there but it's just a long thing of slippery rocks out into the middle of the ocean and then the lighthouse and it's completely like water water 360 and i was like oh i want to go out there and get like a panorama shot and i just hopped like i was an avenger just from big rock to big rock to big rock and hoped i didn't fall and uh once i got out there i saw a sign that said like 24 7 surveillance do not oh no but like the sign was so small, you'd only be able to read it

if you were all the way out there anyway. So I feel like I wasn't the first person to do that. They probably thought that the scary, treacherous rocks would discourage most people, so... Especially, like, during icy... I don't know what was wrong with me, but I just... Well, I would do the same thing. I would have been right there with you.

It was worth it. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I wouldn't do it again. So, anyway, Curtis Island and Bug Lay were my two favorites, if you have a chance oh yeah not that's the dream is to just hit the main ones for sure so i'll i'm hoping to get to the ohio ones too asap um yeah oh i just want to see them all there's 700 in the u.s so oh my gosh a lot to a lot to work on yeah it would there's really nothing quite like just sitting out by water and i intentionally brought like people know i love my london fogs i would get like a really like

piping hot london fog and then getting the uber to the lighthouse and then by the time i got out to the lighthouse it was perfect temperature and just sit there and like hear the wind and look at the water there's nothing more peaceful in the whole world so oh my god okay i need to i need to live closer to lighthouses this This is ridiculous. What am I doing in southwestern Ohio? Anyway, everybody, welcome and goodbye from the lighthouse episode, the lighthouse

extravaganza. Thank you so much, Sandy. I feel so bad that this is us parting ways now, officially, digitally. But thank you so much for being here. And I'm sure us funcles will reunite at some point and we just have to you know get christine booted out of here again no no no we'll be back once more we can do a lighthouse themed uh whole other the show or

something we'll we'll figure something out we'll don't we won't step on her toes not not yet but maybe if there's more babies in the future we can have a sequel to the White House episode. Alright, well for the final times, Andy, and that's why we drink.