And That's Why We Drink - E321 A Coffee Unboxing and a Boiling Milk Cocktail

Episode Date: April 2, 2023

It's episode 321 and we're making sure to let everyone know our trance state boundaries. First Em tells the wild, sad and spooky tale of Mollie Fancher aka the Brooklyn Enigma aka the Fasting Girl. Then Christine covers part one in a surprise two-parter on Khalil Wheeler Weaver, but not before bringing us a ghostly update from her haunted home... and that's why we drink!Don't forget to check out our After Chats on Patreon!Can't wait to see you next week, Ohio! Get your tickets for our On the Rocks tour now! andthatswhywedrink.com/live

oh christine today's episode three two one it is it is i don't know i have no there's like i wish i had thought of that earlier and made a theme out of it, but I was just looking just now and realized it was 321. Well, are you doing an alien story? Because it could be a blast off to space. No, I don't. That would have been a fun little theme, though. But unfortunately, no, I'm talking about something a little more depressing today. Cool.

Same here. Oh, my gosh. How fun. Well, no offense, but I feel like your stuff is usually more depressing than um three two one blast off ufos it would be wild it would be wild if i took offense to that but um but yes thank you for the coffee how are you doing are things well for you what's the what's the vibe these days thanks for asking you know it's a little stormy gloomy out i went to story time today and went and found our book at the bookstore which always makes my spirit feel happy um and uh i forgot coffee so i ordered some on ubereats and told blaze to bring it to me when

it arrives so like a queen like a queen on a little platter so um i'm feeling a little bit bougie today in that sense um um why do you drink this weekend um oh also what remind me once you're done ask me why i drink because i i have a story but i want to hear yours first oh i i just I get paranoid that I talk too long. Oh, well, join the club. I don't know why I drank this week. I think, well, I have a cardiologist appointment after this and I am finding out the results of another heart monitor I was wearing for 30 days, but I have a feeling they're going to say couldn't find anything so it's about to be a like a bummer that I had to wear one which like if you've ever had to wear one they're just so

fucking annoying and like 30 days is a long time to have to wear one I just feel like I would never shower I'd be like this is my excuse to never shower but we have live shows and stuff so I guess you have to I did yeah and they're technically water resistant resistant yeah but my favorite thing to do in a in a shower is like pretend that i'm like in a downpour right and just stand there and so the fact that i had to kind of like just do like the whole like backing into the water thing for 30 days it wasn't very fun um but it was uh i do like that i was wearing it during our first live shows when i was probably the most stressed i've been in a long time so i'm wondering if it picked that up at all yeah it's good timing i mean yeah and um but it didn't pick up like i

haven't had any you know episodes while i was wearing it any so i don't know if it caught anything and we're just back to fucking square one again so fun anyway i guess that's why i drink why do you drink thanks for asking i have a ghost update oh in your house yeah so nothing really crazy happened except that oh my gosh i have multiple I just remembered another one. What? Okay. It didn't even click until this very moment. So you know how I'm sure I've talked about this on the show.

I know I've talked about this to you. But there are certain like lengths of hallway or like certain rooms where at night we just know not to look there. And it's sort of that feeling of, oh, if I look there, I know someone will be standing there. And sometimes I do look and there's never anyone standing there, but it's that feeling. Yeah. Right. Like it's like, oh gosh, I know that I'm not going to like what I see if I turn. And I've heard people describe that with sleep paralysis, like avert your eyes because you know something is, yeah. So that's the feeling we get. And, and Blaze gets that same feeling. And he's the one who said it first. So I didn't say it first. He said it. And I was like, aha, that's pretty, that's pretty

telling. Cause he really is just so not into this world. He's just like such a skeptic, which is fine because he doesn't like, you know, poo poo on my stuff, but he just doesn't. And it's, and of course it's his office where this happens. And so he just, once the sun goes down, he doesn't go up there. And so it's just part of our routine now. Anyway, you had recommended somebody from TikTok, I believe, who does Moonlight Medium. Is that their name? Annie, yeah. Annie, yeah.

And so I did a reading with them in February or January, January, I think. And it was mostly about my family members who've passed. But then I asked them, you know, do you get as kind of a last minute question, like, do you get anything from my house? Because I was sitting up here in this area and I was just curious. And they said, oh, the vibe I get the the feeling i get is that there is somebody here who doesn't pose a threat doesn't cause harm or anything um is more of a lingering residual haunting of a man who lived here and they said a man who lived here past the 30s but is dressed

like he's still in the 30s almost like he hasn't updated his wardrobe. I don't know is is how they described it. And they said, it's almost like he's replaying over and over kind of coming home from work and just kind of bumbling around. And the feeling that they got was, oh, he shows up and he's like why is my stuff moved like he's just a little confused but he's just kind of living out day to day and so i like that eventually he goes oh well and just moves on just does it again and i was like is he okay like does he want to do something new i don't know but that's they said it was kind of just like a lingering and like not really consciously aware of anybody else and that is pretty much exactly the vibe we get like we don't feel like someone's watching us

or you know it almost feels like someone's there and I just don't want to look at them because I'm gonna freak out so anyway this all happened and I said at the end do you get a name or anything and they said because I don't really know any of the names that of the house here. And they said, oh, well there's a name I'm getting, which is Harry. And then they said, but usually, you know, I'm not, names aren't like my forte when it comes to picking up on spirits and stuff. And so they said, I'm going to throw Harry out there because that's the first thing that came to mind, but you know, I don't put too much weight on that and then they said it's it's somebody I said is it somebody who built the house because I've heard of the family

who built the house and they said no it's not that he built the house it's almost like he grew up here and then like lived here throughout his life when he was older and so i was like interesting that's very specific so long story short moved on had a great reading la la la now recently i've gotten back into all my genealogy ancestry oh hell yeah yeah yeah newspapers.com all that business because you know you and i've had some fun little bouts we've been playing around on ancestry recently yeah we found some things that just make no either no sense well it's not that they make no sense but they we had no business going on right right right that's the best way we had no business so uh i was like oh i just want to do some poking around. And then I got back on my whole shtick of finding out more about my house.

And I'm just scrolling around and I find this article about the son of the guy who built this house and how he lived here until the 40s when he passed. And his name was Harry. Shut the fuck up. And I was like. I was like that is so creepy. Because I hadn't known that. And so anyway. Apparently Harry lived here.

He was the son of the family that built the house. Or the dad who built the house. And he lived here through the 30s. And then in the 40s it was sold off as tenement housing um and i don't want to give too much more detail because you know i'm triangulating myself but but yeah the son's name was was harry and i was like and he's the one he's this there were multiple children but he's the one who stayed in the house and lived here and grew up here and died in the house weird right wow well hey shout out to annie's brain however

it works or you know yeah the fact that they were like oh i don't really know i don't put much stock in names because i'm not it's not my one of my gifts and i'm like well think again front because yeah if you're listening if you're listening for some reason annie you absolutely should put some suck into that's what i'm saying and i gotta say like or at least you have a gift maybe you can like fine-tune it because you're it's there i think and and i i was saying to um to blaze like yeah you know it's a common name but then i'm thinking and i'm like there's lots of common i mean it could be thomas could have been i wouldn't have put harry as andrew like there could have been any name i would have got william john yeah exactly like i feel like yes it is a relatively common name but like all of those things combining just felt pretty pretty wild yeah it's not a name i would just shout out at the risk of my own credibility yeah exactly

exactly so anyway that's the fun fact for my neck of the woods yeah and i also love annie they're amazing i i've gone to them twice now and uh so if anyone needs, you know, some mediumship in their life, I'm pretty sure their schedule is pretty booked out for several months now. When Em told me about them in November, the next appointment I was able to get was like February 5th. So it was a long wait. It was a long wait. But I did. The way Christine ended up getting her appointment is I had just recently done the thing where past me bought future me something. And then I surprised myself because like edible arrangements showed up at my door.

And I was telling Christine on the podcast, I was like, you need to treat yourself every now and then and let past you do a service to future you. And one day you're going to wake up and have a surprise waiting for you. And then Christine got an appointment with moonlight medium months and and then months later was like oh my gosh i totally forgot about this thing and now i have like a gift to myself yeah except it was a day where we had something recording and i was like we gotta change our schedule and i panicked but it's fine you know it was worked out for the best well anyway shout out to Moonlight Medium.

If anyone needs anything, we both vouched that Annie's pretty darn good. So anyway, I'm glad you had, you know, a safe, spooky experience. That's super fun. It's just a fun update. So, you know, we have a name for our ghost now. Harry. Wow. Well, sorry, Walt.

I guess he's getting pushed out. Oh, yeah, Walt. i wonder if walt and harry know each other though i do too i wonder if they would get along or if they don't want to be in this in close quarters i feel like walt was a little protective of you i wonder if he'd be a little you know you know try to intimidate harry into like there's only this town's big enough for not for the two of us, you know what I'm saying? Even though your dad built this house, get out of here. Well, as the vagabond he was, he would absolutely just start squatting in that house.

Yeah, it's true. That's what he does. Anyway. Well, I'm glad you've got something seemingly safe. At least you know who to yell at if something starts happening. Yeah. Knock it off, Harry, I'll say. Yeah. Well, Christine, I've got a story for you. And I got to say, it's a little fucking sad. More sad than usual, I think. Uh-oh. Okay. But we'll get through it, folks.

I think we can handle it. We've handled other things in the past. We've handled Christine for years. That's the truth. Yeah. I've handled other things in the past christine for years so that's the truth yeah i've handled christine for you longer so there's just internal scars everywhere so this episode is uh the story of molly fancher aka the brooklyn enigma aka the fasting girl oh no yeah so this is where i tell everybody that there is some very light mention of eating disorders but if that is something that you're uncomfortable with then maybe just skip over to christine's part um and it's not anything super duper intense but if you happen to be hyper sensitive to that stuff, just heads up.

But it is an interesting case, and I think we got to talk about it. All right. All right. I'm ready. Here we go. This starts, we're setting the scene. You know it well, 1848, Christine. Hey, that's like 10 years before my house was built.

So Harry was just a twinkle in his father's eye i guess so so this starts uh august 16th and that's my mom's birthday sorry oh my dad's is august 29th cool what a fun thing for nobody else okay at least mine was the exact date i just hopped on to like my my dad's is a week later whatever uh okay so 1848 and the main character molly fancher her legal name is mary j fancher and i often forget that molly is a nickname for mary i feel like i you don't see that very often uh apparently old-timey yes but nowadays no it's kind of like how margaret there's a nickname it's peg or peggy it's like right how in the world are you doing um so mary j fancher aka molly fancher was born i guess on renata's birthday in 1848 in

addleboro massachusetts and she was the oldest of five she ends up being the oldest of 12 if you include half siblings but currently the oldest of five the family soon moves out of massachusetts and heads to brooklyn new york um i don't know why i did that i don't either it was you know i do know why i did that because last night i watched um elmo's wired interview and uh someone said is sesame street in new york and elmo had the most unhinged response i've ever seen in my life did he say he went hang on i'm just gonna can i just play the audio clip please i'd rather that than you try and replicate it okay here's no no no you're that makes sense but literally i was like whoever decided who was who was playing elmo that day and why did they just like come in fucking hot

um do different people play elmo if it was normal elmo i think they were just tired and like didn't give a shit that day and they were like i'm gonna say whatever the hell i want um oh my i mean it was just him saying new york baby but the way that he said it was just like he obviously didn't care i just he's it was just very fun okay here's elmo answering is sesame street in new york Sesame Street in New York. New York, baby! Boy! New York, baby! Boy! Oh, he's cute. I think it sounds just like normal Elmo.

I feel like he's just as unhinged as always. I, the, the boy really got me going. But, uh, but so anyway, that's why I, I I guess had something to say about New York. Wow. That was quite an aggressive segue. It was like one of the last TikToks I saw before I went to sleep. So I think Elmo's just fresh in my head right now. He's just living in your brain. Anyway, so they moved to Brooklyn. And from the beginning of Molly's life, she apparently had some sort of supernatural darkness or gloom to her.

It just always seemed that she was kind of shrouded in bad luck. And Molly's mother ends up dying very early after having several bouts of illness. It was kind of pretty vague, but it sounds like she just got sick all the time and she ended up dying early and her last wish was for her sister susan to take care of molly um even though they had other kids apparently she thought molly needed the most help because everyone could kind of sense that molly was gonna have a bit of a rough life. And Susan agreed and took her in permanently after Molly's father remarried elsewhere and had a whole new family. And like, I guess kind of just left the kids to their own devices and to Aunt Sarah. So Molly goes to private school.

She goes to seminary school for a little bit. But when she turned 16, she starts having weird health problems and that's to me i think interesting that her mom also had some pretty severe health issues so um they don't mention that a lot in any notes that i saw but i feel like it's relevant yeah i feel like that's all of it no one was talking about it um so of her illnesses molly had really wild migraines. She had really, um, intense fainting spells. She couldn't keep food down. She became super weak and she ended up losing an incredible amount of weight kind of out

of nowhere. And even though she had so many symptoms, the doctor only diagnosed her with indigestion. Okay. Um, and then prescribed, I don't understand this one at all but the medication that she was supposed to take daily was to go horseback riding wait what oh oh that was the prescription go horseback yeah go horseback oh i see oh sure oh no that can't help i can't help especially if you already have first of all fucking fainting spells, and now we're going to put you on a galloping horse.

Also, you're very weak, so we're going to put you on a galloping horse. I don't understand. Also, migraines. A migraine? I mean, I just, I feel like the background of it, I can see like, oh, fresh air, which is what they basically recommended everybody

back in the day but the horse part i don't understand at all i don't understand it it just sounds like this guy did not know what he was doing if like i can't believe someone would come in with all those issues and he would just be like oh well you have an upset stomach it's like are you fucking kidding me you have diarrhea why don't you sit on a horse okay great idea that's so fucked up it is so fucked up so um kelsepreeze her health got worse but through she did start horseback riding like the doctor said um and through this she became pretty good horseback rider people even um i guess would see her riding through the city and were just impressed with her horseback riding um and one day in 1864 um so 1864 and 48 she's what like 26 don't look at me

that can't be right say it say it again 1864 minus 1848. What's wrong with me? I went to school. 16. Okay. I added 10 days. I added a decade by accident. Oh, God. So she's 16 years old. It's May 1864.

And Aunt Susan has a really weird, terrible feeling that something bad is going to happen to Molly. Oh. The day that Molly, that molly went horseback riding and while she was riding the horse she dropped one of her reins and when she leaned to grab it while the horse was still i guess running um the horse freaked out and bucked her and she landed by breaking a few ribs and quote smashing her head on the pavement and the doctor said that she was saved by her heavy wool hat which was almost thick enough to be a helmet um she also uh after she had that horse riding accident, she ended up needing bed rest for two months and it actually took another two months for her to be 100 percent. And this accident somehow further worsened her appetite and not being able to keep food down.

And she got even weaker. So, I mean, it was just she was already sick. And then this accident happened and it just couldn't have made things better. Jeez. After she hit her head, she also struggled with her vision, which led to even more migraines. Um, and I'm sure if she went to the doctor, he'd say this was all indigestion. And you should get back on a horse. Oh, right. Okay. horse oh okay right okay so uh after she is now going through even more ailments um she's finally getting a little better and um about a year later she's you know she's already been fine for a

little bit but i'm sure she's struggling with probably a head injury no one's addressing yeah and one day that summer she her aunt is feeling like something really weird is going on again, like something bad is going to happen, which at that point I would just listen to my Aunt Susan and never move a muscle. Sorry, my coffee has arrived. Oh, hi, coffee. I'm watching the reveal happen, everyone, for the silence. It's an unboxing. An unboxing, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry to do this. Your yeah yeah um i'm sorry your coffee

hall i'm sorry to do this to you but i ordered oh i love those little madelines you got the naked ones not the chocolate yeah but it says choco on it maybe they just didn't have any they lied to me oh well you'll have to eat chocolate from your pantry while you eat that and do you have any ice cream you could do a little dip in that sounds delicious okay i'm so sorry please go back i i missed the last like few seconds of what you said oh uh i was just gonna i just said that that on another day aunt sarah all of a sudden had a weird feeling that something was off and something bad was going to happen and listen to her that's what i said i was like i feel like if i knew aunt sarah was right the last time if she

felt weird i wouldn't have i wouldn't move i would have that doctor like he doesn't know but aunt susan knows i'd put aunt susan in a hospital at this point and be like just start diagnosing people because you have a better feeling about oh i. Oh, I thought you meant like as a patient. You mean like employed there. As a nurse. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, she had a weird feeling. Remember, Molly's already had a fucking head injury. She had health issues before she even had her accident.

And now on this day in June, Molly is on a streetcar, like a trolley car. And when it stops, she tries to get off but she gets off a little too late and the street car is starting up again and so she's now getting off the street car while it is back in motion when she falls she lands on the ground and her hoop skirt caught onto the car so she gets dragged for a block while hitting her head into the pavement the whole time what the fuck um an actual quote from uh like probably the best source we have is that her um nervous system was deranged after this i'm sorry i know i've never it's a nervous laugh i've never heard

anything quite described like that um but she ended up having it said her spine was injured and her nervous system deranged i mean yeah it sounds like it would be i mean already having a head injury and daily migraines before that she's alive to be honest and just oh my god i can't imagine being dragged in your head and like you can't stop your head from constantly being hit so she had to know what was happening the whole time so um eventually the trolley car stops um and again several ribs were broken she had head injury. She now had the spine injury, which left her partially paralyzed in one of her legs. And on top of all that, her eyesight is now getting worse, probably because she already had eye issues after her last head injury. Yeah.

And her left arm was experiencing spontaneous paralysis, where every now and then it would just fucking stop working that's a deranged nervous system for you plus she now had a lung infection this girl my god i know i know um that's why i was doing these notes and i was like man i kind of wish i could go backwards and not do these notes um like instead of stopping the notes you're like i wish i could go back but i can't my hands are tied i'd already done so much like prep into like you know writing these notes i was like oh that's a lot of hours like i don't know if i can do this so um i'm just waiting for it to get spooky or something so she had a lung infection and after that her doctor who i hope was a different doctor than the last one i sure hope so too honestly announces that she was going to die soon

wow what a genius okay i mean come on so uh apparently her friends came over. They all like hung out. I guess this was almost like a goodbye party, which is so dark. And soon she appeared to have died, appeared to have died. Oh, okay. But her aunt, who I guess had been like kind of experiencing this already told the

doctor, Oh, don't call time of death she's alive she actually is in a trance okay and i know so now we're thinking aunt susan maybe also needs a doctor so uh aunt susan tells the doctor oh by the way like i know she looks dead and this is probably like the worst timing in the world to tell you this but um she has recently been prone to going into trances that last hours sometimes weeks oh my god what which like i'd be like girl she has a head injury maybe she's like are yeah i was gonna say are those like mini comas or something that she's coming in and out of?

I feel like that's not, I feel like that's maybe related to all of the head injuries. I would certainly imagine, but Aunt Susan just called it a trance. Did I forget to mention these really weird unrelated trances she goes into? So there's this, so she goes into a lot of trances some of them last up to weeks one source um i don't know how accurate this is because some sources absolutely just didn't even mention it and i feel like this is kind of a climax one of the climaxes of the story is that when the doctor thought she died um she actually just went into one of her trances, and this one lasted nine years.

Huh? I know. I know. What do you mean? So I don't know how true that one is. I do think it's still worth being worried about the months-long trances she's going into. Huh.

But pretending for a second that this nine-year trance was true and for some reason there's just like half the reporters out there to not pick up on this according to herbert asbury um he was like uh his whole thing mentioned her nine-year birth a spurt and he says throughout the nine years her eyes remained closed and for six years of that her body was cold and rigid there was no evidence of respiration her physicians could detect only a slight pulse and she never spoke so that's a fucking coma god oh my god that's horrific but how but you can't be in a coma and you're not being on life support. Girl, I don't know what to tell you. Oh my God.

Like, this is a mystery, you know, for the ages. I guess I was going to say, how is she eating? Okay, well. Great question. But let's remember the title is The Fasting Girl. Yeah. So these trances apparently include it. Also, like, we need Dr. Blaze here, uh, who by the way is not a doctor, but I'm going to keep calling them Dr. Blaze.

Uh, but I wish Blaze were sitting next to you to tell me exactly what to describe this because I don't, uh, these trances include Molly's muscles seizing up and then her falling asleep for the next few hours. And then she would wake up, seize again and go back into another trance. So it was just her like constantly seizing in the middle of what I think is a coma. Like just like a terrible, terrible, terrible thing. At the very least being unconscious. Yeah.

Yeah. And so the doctor, I guess, listened to Aunt Sarah that Molly was not dead. But then, like, it seems like I don't know. I don't know how they treated comas in the 1860s. Maybe obviously not well. They treated them like they were trances. So. Right.

OK. I don't know. right okay i'm so sorry um so the doctor was you know at least didn't call a time of death because he could feel a slight pulse i guess but he didn't know what else to do he tried some treatments but they were like pretty terrible they were like ice baths and electroshock and oh okay sure one of them's already unconscious let's put him in an ice bath see what happens uh there was um one i don't understand this one a treatment where he rolled her in wet sheets which i'm what is her face involved because that's fucking water boring oh my god waterboarding yeah i don't know um it all sounds terrible like what i guess like to, my guess is doing terrible things so she'll wake up from the pain.

Jar her out of her sleep. Right. There's another source where, that she ended up being so fed up with these, she ended up being so fed up with all the treatments this doctor was trying to do that she couldn't take it anymore. Which makes me think she was fucking aware of all this she was saying that she said later she comes back she said later that she was so fed up with all of it which makes me think that she was like consciously aware of it right for like nine years which that's like that horrible was it like a Grey's Anatomy episode where someone was like awake in a coma for years like that's the kind of thing that's my worst fear like my worst worst fear i don't even this is all just such a terrible story

worst fear and so anyway that source says that she was over it um she even says over it she's like not the wet sheets again come on think of Think of something new. I know. I actually can't. Like, can you imagine if she wasn't over it? I'd be like, girl. Whee! She said she positively refused to submit to any further treatment. But, like, I don't know what that really means. Like, how did she stop them? Yeah.

Maybe this, maybe I'm mixing two sources up. And, like, she had that trance. But then in other trances, the doctor was trying to help her and she was awake. I just really hope she wasn't awake or in like aware in a coma. Right, right. Let's hope not. I hope I just got my research fucked up. That's what I'm really hoping. We're just bad at research.

Okay. So in 1866, Molly has another medical crisis can you believe it um where barely she had a so she's woken up at this point i guess um but she had another crisis where she had a quote spasm aka a seizure um they weren't calling it a seizure they were calling it spasms but for all intents and purposes they it seems like it was a seizure um and through this i don't know how but it must have just been a really fucking bad seizure and she lost all of her senses she could not see she could not hear you mean like afterward yeah oh no like as a result. Could not see, hear, smell, or touch. So she just lost all sense.

And plus, her throat permanently seized up, so she couldn't eat or speak. What the fuck? I, like, can't imagine a worse medical history. What the fuck? And keep in mind, again, she says that she had awareness the whole time i promise it gets kind of spooky i swear to god what the fuck kind of story is they're not even well they're sort of crime but they're not even crime yet okay it's definitely fucking negligence out the wazoo that's's for sure. Yeah, that's true. But during this time, Molly, here we go with the, this is where it gets a little eerie all of a sudden.

Okay. So now she's had this essentially a seizure and she's just locked in her own brain. Just that's her whole. Nightmare. Nightmare. My brain is a scary place. I don't want to be in there. It's just Fall Out Boy lyrics. If I wish don't want to be in there. It's just Fall Out Boy lyrics.

If I wish, then I would be in there. Molly decides, not decides, Molly realizes, while she's, I guess, just fucking sitting there existing and probably so beyond miserable. She realizes that she is developing a second sight she even though she can't see she's weirdly able to see she can sense things i think of it as maybe daredevil the superhero who like he goes blind and all of a sudden develops a second sight of sorts um she could sense things around her she knew where items were even if they weren't in the same room as her uh she could sense she knew the time accurately like by the minute she knew who was in the room with her and where in the room they were even if they came in silently

um eventually her sense of touch started to come back and slowly one of her arms started to move again so she was able she also started being able to speak a little bit but very very slowly and what she soon learned was not only did she have second sight but she also was developing a supernatural touch and so which like honestly thank fucking god something good is coming for this person like yeah is it good i hope so i i think it's good i mean it's at least neutral but i uh but like damn at least something that isn't a seizure or a head injury is happening for this person um so with her new supernatural touch she was able to touch a sealed envelope and know exactly word for word what the letter inside read

because even if it was dark and she was blindfolded i mean they tried everything but she always knew things that she shouldn't be able to see she was having visions all of a sudden she could you know tell you where something was if you lost it but then it was somewhere in the house she just knew exactly where it was as if she could see through walls and so she would say like people knew this because she was starting to be able to speak so she could say okay got it um she also could predict what people had in their pockets and then when her friends realized she had this gift they started bringing over like fucking crazy things really random shit i love just to test her i like by the way i love them in the 1860s she still had her girls no i was gonna say it's like exactly what you would do today for sure yeah i hope they

brought like the most unhinged things in their pockets i would be so nervous because my purse is always just a black hole of like disaster i mean yeah she'd be like why is there dirty i don't know what's in there something not that's not supposed to be in there. Well, she also was able to predict the weather. She could tell when storms were coming in. And she knew who was at the front door before they even knocked. So I think that's pretty cool. She was basically a ring doorbell for the 1860s.

Cool. She would also have visions where she was able to see what was going on in other areas. So it was almost an astral projection kind of thing where she would i guess i love that like think about a friend and all of a sudden she knew what they were wearing what they were doing who they were with and then could report back to them when they when she saw them again this is a friend you want you're like what's margaret doing today yeah you could i mean as the friend who's like nosy, I want to know what Margaret's up to. Who's she on a date with? Like, how's it going? Yeah, I don't think this is the friend you want. I think this is the friend you want to be whether or not other people want it. I think

you're like, I'm going to be surveillance for fun. Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean? I mean, I'm saying I wish I had a friend like this to tell me all the gossip about our other friends. Oh, I thought you were saying like like you just want to be nosy. And so you just wanted to see like. No, I am nosy. So I want like Molly to sit there and be like, let me check in so I can just eat my popcorn and listen. Yeah. OK, that makes sense, too.

Yeah. I think either way, if you were given the gift of surveillance or you knew somebody, I think you'd still find a way to reap the rewards. I think you'd be like, this works very very very well if we can make this work yeah let's light that candle yeah so um yeah all of a sudden she was just able to have visions and i mean ironically since she didn't have vision anymore but you know she could see what was going on in other areas she knew where anything was at any moment she could you know you could hide something from her and she would still know what it was and aunt susan said that a lot of times molly was able to do this when she would go into quote absent-minded states i wish like that sounds again like an absent seizure or something i mean it sounds like uh my life

it sounds like she it sounds like something's like is she are these also trances i'm so fucking confused why she minded state like it's that's you know we've both been there if we're keeping it vague yes i guess we've all experienced maybe an absent-minded state. This, however, seems to be a little more magical. Right. Either in a good or bad way. But if you ever do have an absent-minded state, Christine, where all of a sudden you can see what clothes I'm wearing, maybe we have a conversation. I feel like, hold on. No, no, no, no, no.

Are you wearing a blue shirt? Okay, well, what color pants am I wearing? That's a trick question. None. Ah! Okay, well, we'll have to have a talk later about boundaries since you have this weird gift. So Aunt Susan would say that Molly would go into these absent-minded states in her trances, and sometimes she...

Oh, God, this is actually so much more darker than how we were just making it sound cool ah okay what a fun show we have so she would go into these absent-minded states and she would rattle off what people were doing throughout town but despite this gift she also was still left with debilitating spasms that sometimes left her oh my god quote bent like a hoop and her toes touching her head oh my god oh god shit that's so bad oh god and remember she's still not eating or drinking anything because it's hard for her to keep food down right um okay with the amount of food she's not eating she should not be alive keep in mind with the amount of head injuries she's had she should well yeah i mean it's like she's defying death

yes all over the place bingo and a lot of ways she should not be alive for very serious reasons and she is still kicking and um aunt susan can't figure out how she's surviving without eating food and molly said quote i get nourishment from a source you're ignorant to whoa i don't even know what that i would be so scared i'd be like okay well absolutely back out of the room yeah okay okay bye that's nice honey so the only times that she didn't look to be in terrible pain were during these trances. So it's almost like these trances are being encouraged now for her to. But in these trances, she's now able to talk to spirits. She just doesn't get a break, man.

It's like she went for a, but you know what's so weird is i wonder if and i'm playing into this by the way because i'm sure there's like some medical reasons for a lot of this stuff now but playing into the storyline here right i i wouldn't be surprised as a family member or a friend of the time to be like homegirl is on the fucking brink of death of course she's able to see the other side true i mean yeah it's true i mean we hear even nowadays like people who work in hospice or end-of-life care who say when people pass they encounter others who have passed including pets and family members so i mean this isn't a far stretch i have one friend who um she went through some real gnarly health stuff when we were younger and she died on the table 12 times and uh now she is uh she's one of my friends who just can see fucking ghosts like she just she just sees shit all the time does she feel like it's a gift or a curse or both i think

probably both i think as she's gotten older i and i'm totally speaking on her behalf here but she said she's able to control it a little better as she gets older or like she's been able to like just shut it off because she just like sometimes it was overwhelming but when she was a kid like people would just show up and she like couldn't tell if they were dead or alive are you real or dead or oh god yeah and again like that's another conversation where, like, people were discussing mental health of, like, you can fucking see people that aren't there. Like, that's not good. And that's a dangerous space to, like, make. It's not a black and white, like, you know, thing where you're like, well, it's definitely ghosts or it's definitely schizophrenia.

Well, yeah. She thought for a long time. She was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? Like, I need to go to, like, an actual doctor. And anyway, that's a whole for a long time. She was like, what the fuck is wrong with me? I need to go to an actual doctor. Anyway, that's a whole conversation for another time. But anyway, I know people who have died on the table. And they think, well, because I was so close to death so many times, things are just more tapped in by accident.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense in some way to me in some way also still advocating for mental health please go to a doctor if you're seeing things if you're seeing people dead people and you're not sure why then it's definitely see a doctor not the doctor who if he tells you to get on a horse like if he tells you it's indigestion you know go somewhere well it might be indigestion too because you know that's pretty abundant nowadays but if he tells you the only solution is to ride a horse through town i would probably try a different just like get a second opinion you know just in case so with uh so now she can talk to spirits molly can talk to spirits now sure and with all of her health stuff sometimes

this is very very sad but also kind of understandable that she was just in so much pain and going through so much all the time. She was in essentially a coma and having seizures and just in so much pain that she wished she was dead a lot. And she felt cheated that she was only getting a taste of the other side when she had to still be here. That's really sad. that's really sad it's really sad um you hear that about people too who are suffering greatly and say that same kind of thing like i i know it would just be easier to go the other side yeah yeah so one day um but and as this is happening she's still honing her gifts. I guess that's all you can do if you're fucking bedridden.

You might as well. If you're bedridden and can all of a sudden talk to ghosts, you probably start talking to ghosts a whole fucking lot. And she started being able to really fine tune and master her abilities where could like see things even though she couldn't see and so it got to a point where like a guy came over to her house and she said like i think she started accidentally outing herself to people because this guy came over to her house and she was like oh um that girl you were out with recently looked really pretty on your date and then like described the date to him and i think she was like just trying to strike up conversation and totally forgot that was not apropos um what so then what is like at this point like what's a faux pas when you're like

basically your friends are like she's gonna be dead any second at this point like forget conventional uh you know politeness honestly yeah i'd be like i'm molly fancher i'm gonna say whatever the fuck i want um and i guess later this is like this is the most christine thing i've ever heard in my life so she was apparently already creeping on this guy and like had seen him on a date and was like then reported back to him like oh she looked really pretty and did you have fun doing this and i saw you guys were doing this then after he left she like tapped back in and like watched him go to his friend's house and be like dude this girl like was able to predict everything sorry i just broke my microphone that's really funny so now she's like going home and watching she's watching other

people go home and react to her freaking them out. I hope she's not like sensitive like me because I feel like that would hurt my feelings. But I hope that she was like, like amused by this because it's very funny. It had to be such a fun pastime. Like I'm going to freak him the fuck out and then just like see what happens. If you're sensitive, you might as well just pop around and see what people are saying about you. But also think of the superpower of just being able to hear what anyone's saying about you i don't i see i would not do well with that like i would i would struggle with that but i mean it sounds like she's the perfect person for

the job she's like i'm gonna make this fun if i have to be here yeah i mean good for her later on um and keep in mind this by the way was a time where it was the end of, I think, the first wave of spiritualism. So people heard about Molly because she started freaking people out like this. Sure. And all of a sudden they were coming over her house asking her to become a medium for them and do seances for them. I guess she said no because she still felt like her uh which is fair by the way she said she only talked to spirits she knew and which i love the stranger danger psa love it but she also was like um whatever is going on with my health that needs to be studied first by a fucking doctor not

spiritualists and so fair and not again let me just be extremely clear about this not the horse doctor not the horse doctor he does not know what he's doing harvard medical professionals maybe um maybe but yeah i mean that's a fair point like if she's thinking like the only reason i have this quote gift is because like i've had so many fucking accidents that gave me so many like head injuries. And like, like, I don't like,

let's not, she, I imagine was saying like, I could see why people would want me to be a medium for them. But more importantly, like, I just want to know what the fuck's wrong with me. Let's get to the root cause.

Yeah. So, uh, which would also be helpful for people who are seeking a medium. Like if we knew how that happened. Yeah. I like that. She was we knew how that happened. Yeah. I like that she was like science first babes. She was a woman in STEM, obviously.

Obviously. So soon her trances developed again. And I don't know if they developed again, but Molly is now being a little more open about something that's been going on during her trances which molly started uh kind of shutting down going into trances and coming back acting like other people even saying that there were five molly fanchers oh no so today many psychiatrists think of this as probably dissociative identity disorder, DID, especially because when Aunt Susan was saying that during her trances she was having moments of absent-mindedness, which could have been her switching between altars. Hmm. I don't know if she, if these other identities were present the entire time, or I think this became like part of, I think this happened later. Like this was like almost a new symptom, which is weird.

Interesting. I mean, I feel like they say DID stems oftentimes from severe trauma. So I can see- Severe head trauma? I don't know, but- But I mean like trauma, like emotionally speaking. So I wonder if this is just, this is how it manifested maybe. Maybe, yeah.

I don't know enough about DID and I don't want to like say anything too wrong, but I do know that it stems from trauma and this is a trauma. I don't know if this is usually like the textbook reason. I think it's more like you said, emotional or sexual trauma. Like psychological trauma, that kind of thing. But I got to say there is a psychological trauma to being bedridden for years and years and years. That's what I mean. Like I wonder if the trauma of this whole experience was part of it.

Yeah. So now she's saying there's five Mollies and she gave each of them a name. One was Sunbeam. One was Idol. One was Rosebud. One was Pearl. And one was Ruby. Sunbeam apparently showed up the most often.

And there was a quote somewhere that said Ruby was very good at repartee. And I was like, oh, I like Ruby. So Molly said that sometimes she wasn't using the this terminology by the way but um molly said that sometimes these alters or personalities of hers or the other molly's would be silent for years but then when they would come back they would speak as if no time had passed so they would still think it was five years ago or whatever oh so they would think they're in the past oh my which i wonder if any of them were like pre-trauma like pre-head injuries and just thought when it said like

no time like no time had passed they don't mean like oh like an old friend like no time had passed we're back no no no it was like it was like oh and five if it's been five years since we saw ruby binge all of a sudden ruby appears ruby thought five years had which is weird because i don't think that's a trade of did either so i don't know what's i don't know what's not that i know of but um and with finally when Molly like kind of told her friends like hey like there's five Molly fanchers in my head or that's how it feels sometimes when I come out of these trances Molly's friends were like ultra allies they were like super supportive um they even would exchange letters with each of her altars so they each got like a friend which i thought was that's nice and interestingly though um even though molly still

had other spiritual gifts um she still had this gift of visions that was probably the most prominent out of all of them so one of her best tricks um that she would do i don't know if like all quote five molly fanchers could do these gifts or maybe only one of them was able to do them i don't know that i feel like that was a great question that nobody answered yeah if like can all of your identities have these gifts or is it just like sun do they like yeah split them up that's interesting um so when she had her gift of visions she would play games with her friends and one of them was that she they would put something in an envelope and she would be able to guess what it was

um she also said that she could do embroidery still even though she would probably do it in the dark um but she claimed she knew the colors just by touch alone oh and uh she could also see again premonitions of what her friends were up to she this is one of my favorites but her friends there was one time where they dropped something and it like rolled under the bed but he couldn't find it and she was able to play like hot and cold with him until he found it and so it became like a thing where she'd play hot and cold with people with like the stuff that they lose in her house um which i love that she that's what i would wish i could do i love that she didn't just fucking say it's under the bed like she had to be like you're getting warmer like it's way more fun yeah um and here's a fun fact

she also had a pet squirrel um and she could sense wherever it was in the house so if she wanted to like go if she wanted to play with the squirrel she could tell her friends like oh can you go downstairs he's like sitting right there can you go get him or oh can you go he's on the toilet can you go give him some toilet paper and bring him back up in the underwear drawer again um not again so molly was also able to um as far as I'm concerned, fully astral project in her trances over time where she could see her friends going about their day, where she felt like she could even wave to them and say hi to them. They just weren't responding to her. And this is where I say, again, let's remember that as, quote, cool as some of her gifts might be um molly still never ate or drank like ever ever ever um she was again diagnosed with indigestion at 16 then after her

accidents um they kind of like made her ability to keep food down even worse but eventually i'm not kidding she was going months months without food and somehow was alive oh no um and she became known as the fasting girl which like that implies that she like wanted this like you know what i mean like she and i'll say real quick there was an author named joan jacob brumberg who quoted in one six month period uh molly recorded intake molly's recorded intake was four teaspoons of milk punch two teaspoons of wine one small banana and a piece of cracker that was good um i did eating like little drops of stuff but like so droplets but she okay interesting interesting um also this is where i interject real quick because i saw four teaspoons of milk punch and i was like what the fuck is that i'm so glad you're interjecting um so the internet

gave me different information here one was a little more simple of an answer where like it's just a drink that you add like a cream or two like eggnog um but there was another version which i think was like more during like pirate era and apparently it was when you would add boiling milk to citrus alcohol drinks um because though because instead of i guess it in times where they didn't have sugar um to like cut the acid and like or like cut the citrus in a really acidic drink um the same solution you could you could do the same thing when you if you didn't have sugar by using whey from milk but to do that you had to throw boiling milk into the drink so that the citrus would separate the whey and the milk solids and then you had to strain it. So then you were drinking boiling milk whey with your citrus brandy or whatever.

It was it sounds really disgusting. What the fuck? Although someone recently tried it on like a recipe page and they said it tasted like yogurt and i want to throw up so um oh i don't like that so if you want to have some milk punch maybe just have some eggnog or don't have any milk that's you know don't have milk punch that'd be great that'd be great for me um but anyway back to the really dark bullshit of this is that she was only able to drink like four teaspoons of that and then like have a banana in six months. That was the whole fucking thing. And then they called her the fasting girl because girls that were going by the phrase fasting girl.

Oh, no. Um, because they refused to eat and they claimed that it gave them magical or religious powers. Okay. And fasting girls were like, it was quote a fad at the time um and it was more or less fasting girls were essentially girls who were doing like faith-based starvation to quote purge their body of sin that's sad that's so sad at the time this was encouraged by doctors and encouraged by spiritual leaders because it's you know they thought that it's surprising i mean that fucking doctor with the horseback riding uh suggestion i'm sure he also thought that fasting was good or something um and during

this is so wild it was such a popular trend popular trend in the Victorian era that there were companies who were hiring fasting girls to be displayed at their stores. Gross. To show that they were like a good, I'm assuming a good Christian store. I don't understand. You mean like, I thought it was like to like model their clothing. Oh, I thought it was like, because the whole thing was just making them stand there and watch them starve if you come to our shop so i don't it's still so fucked up um and there were some there were so many fasting girls who ended up dying of starvation there was one

named sarah where her parents and the church told her to do this for god um she died and they were charged with manslaughter convicted of manslaughter um and there were many many like sarah i don't know how molly was not someone who died considering she barely barely ate um but that's my confusion also with calling her a fasting girl because she never like seemed to really lean into religion she never said this was like for religious beliefs in fact she seemed miserable like she seemed like i mean she had said so many times like she just wanted to die because she couldn't eat food like so i i have i think fasting girls is terrible in its own way like a misnomer for her as well yes yes i see what you're saying they keep calling her fasting girl as if this was something she wanted to do.

As if she was part of this like trend or whatever. But yeah. But she also was just like I mean she was just so miserable and wanted to eat. So. But I did want to give the caveat of like what fasting girls were at the time because I didn't realize that. It was a big fat at the time. And so I could see why people thought they just kind of clumped her into that.

Yeah. was a big fat at the time and so i could see why people thought they just kind of clumped her into that yeah um and nowadays obviously doctors think that this is a sign of either hysteria and or anorexia right now um anorexia the biggest um category of that is anorexia nervosa but this would actually be categorized as anorexia mirabilis, which is holy anorexia or, again, faith-based starvation. And Molly Fancher is considered the most famous of the fasting girls, even though, again, she never really claimed ever this was for religious reasons. But she still, quote, beat them all and like was the most popular of them all because so many obviously died of starvation and probably very soon because you can't last without food for very long. Right. And yet Molly Fancher survived 14 years. Oh, my God. That's so heartbreaking.

She also openly, like I said, openly wished that, you know, she could just go to the other side because she was in so much pain. Um, and other than, I mean, she was never able to keep food down all that much until the end of her life, which is interesting that it kind of came back. Um, she eventually did regain some of her sight and she had less spasmy seizures. But in 1916, she died at 68 after being in bed for 51 years. And although she, like I said, regained some of her health, she pretty much she never totally recovered from all the injuries she had oh my god but she was still like making newspaper reporters question what was going on like doctors still couldn't figure out how she was alive scientists didn't know how she was able to like see items in her house and was

having spiritual visions that she was accurately describing later so she was still blowing people's minds and before she died one of her friends named abram daly he decided that he was going to write down her life story so that way before she died so she could like edit and review it and make sure that it was accurate oh wow well that's really thoughtful to at least give her that i don't know opportunity yeah well i think he was like your story is so fucking crazy, no one's going to believe it. So like, please put your stamp of approval on it.

Yeah, and so he ended up writing a book called Molly Fancher, The Brooklyn Enigma, an authentic statement of facts in the life of Mary J. Fancher. And this is probably the biggest source I use for today's notes. The intro to it, Abram says, it's not my purpose to advance theories of my own.

The facts must stand by themselves for unbiased judgment of the reader. So he was like, these are the fucking facts, do what you want with it. And most statements in there are very warm from people that knew her, but there are a lot of people in there who like openly say they wanted to expose her secrets

on like how she was able to do these spiritual things or you know these magical things but she was never figured out um she had fascinated scientists spiritualists doctors reporters and allegedly even pt barnum asked her to go on tour with him um she's like what carry me there like what do you mean well also i think didn't he have like quote human zoos or whatever it was like i mean yeah i'm just like was she just gonna be like lifted out of bed and taken i know but i guess but i guess yeah probably probably and um but so he she he asked her to go on tour allegedly and probably and um but so he she he asked her to go on tour allegedly and um she even one of the cool things she did was she wrote a bestseller of her own biography which i love she sold wax flowers and embroideries that she made even though she like barely had functioning hands and arms but

she was and she could say she said she could tell the colors right just like by yeah that's cool um and about her own health issues she said i don't know what they can base my complaint upon i have broken the backbone of science and all the ologies and so all the ologies i love that so she was just like i don't fucking know what's wrong with me doctors never figured it out i broke science okay she literally said i broke science and no scientist can prove no one can was able to like expose her secrets because as far as we know she at least maybe got some slight gift out of all these horrible things so um she's just again they call her the brooklyn enigma she is totally a mystery nobody knows how she was able to do what she was able to do what she was able to

do um and by the way one of those things includes being fucking alive so right and i know this was like a little bit of a detour from my normal stories but there was some mystery elements to it hell yeah but um i'm sorry it was so dark and just to end on, just to continue that real quick, if you are someone who is either suffering from an ED or if you know someone who is suffering from an ED, you can go to nationaleatingdisorders.org or you can call or text 1-800-931-2237. Great. Yeah. And that's Molly Fancher.

Wow. What a story, Em. Whoa, that took Molly Fancher. Wow. What a story, Em. Whoa. That took me for a ride. I feel bad because usually my stories are at least like not so fucking dark and like there's a little more wiggle room. I don't know. You've done quite a few witch stories. I wouldn't say this one was that much darker than a lot of the stories you've covered.

I guess so. I just feel like I usually like there's there's i feel like eventually like i get to a point where i'm only talking about the redemption of it or something maybe i don't know yeah or the ghosts but it just was all confusion yeah yeah i mean i think you did great i i found it to be quite a great storytelling so thank you m thank you so i have a really fucked up story today too oh good twinsies yay welcome to the club so this is a story of khalil wheeler weaver and this is a not super well-known case you'll see why pretty quickly um but the first time i ever heard about it was on Sinister Hood.

And I listened to the episodes they did on him recently. And so I hope it's not, I hope this doesn't come out too close to when those came out, but I will say, you know, it's at least it's some, they have a different angle just because like Heather's a lawyer and all that.

And so there's just, you know, I feel like even if it's the same topic, it'll definitely still be a different take on it. But they did just like an amazing job on the story, which is why I wanted to cover it. So here we go. Here we go.

We're going to 2016. Oh, I do know her fondly. We actually for once do. Yes, we know her fondly. Well, not so fondly i i think i have a cross stitch i made somewhere here that says fuck 2016 so oh yeah we know her too fondly we know a little too fondly maybe not fondly just not the right word yeah she was around we're familiar let's put it that way we're frenemies we're just enemies enemies. So Khalil was 20 years old in 2016. He was a relatively

unassuming person. He lived in Orange, New Jersey, which is a tiny township where a quarter of the population lived below the poverty line. And within this population, Khalil's family did pretty well. So he lived a comfortable life. He had a very, you know, classically average two parent household. His stepfather and uncle were both police officers. He never got into any trouble. Like he was just your average teenager when he was in high school. He was pretty shy. He kept to himself at school. He didn't really do sports. He didn't date much. But he also wasn't, he didn't stand out for anything negative either. So here's what a former classmate once said. You have to wear Jordans, the newest ones that just came out. Your shirt has to match your sneakers and your hat.

That's what you wore if you were going after the females. It was a street style. He wasn't a street kid. You knew based on how he dressed that he came from a good home, a good family. He wasn't popular, but he wasn't bullied either. So like basically just your average Joe. His best friend, whose name was Richard Isaacs, told NorthJersey.com, Khalil is the funniest guy you could ever meet. He doesn't talk too much, but when he does talk, he's hilarious. After high school, he came out of his shell a bit.

He started to date. He worked as a security guard at a grocery store, and people seemed pretty comfortable around him. He had good friends. He seemed quiet and kind. But internally, he had problems with the world. He felt like a victim. He felt like he was ignored by women. He felt like he was missing out on life. And at some point, he decided to take

that fate into his own hands and do something about it. So Robin Daphne Michelle West was Khalil's first known victim. Okay. She was from Pennsylvania, and in 2016, she was living with a friend in West Philly. She had been born September 5th, 1996, and she was only four days out from her 20th birthday when she was killed. Her father was a police officer, an assistant church pastor, and Robin often led the church choir. Oh, my God. about the unhoused crisis in Philadelphia and she wanted to help people and that was her goal in life. However, she had also struggled with mental health issues throughout her life, spending time in a treatment center for children with mental and behavioral issues. And this center that she

spent time in, incidentally, was later exposed for both physical and sexual abuse of the children that were there. So we don't know if that's linked to her time there but it's worth noting okay so at age 14 robin had made her two lifelong best friends at this uh center that she had attended their names were tracy johnson and bernisha patterson so the three of them were like family um bernisha remembers we were always together we acted alike blood couldn't make us no closer so robin's family described her as headstrong and adventurous and you know she had her struggles so they did worry about her but she also brought so much joy to her family's lives but she also didn't always get along with her parents.

You know, I guess not everybody does. I don't think so. No. Or I guess nobody always does. I don't know the best way to put that. But she ended up moving out when she was 18 and began work as an exotic dancer. And while her family did know she was doing that, her family did not know she had started doing sex work beyond her dancing. Okay.

So rape and sexual assault and just plain old assault are very underreported in the sex work business, as we can all imagine. But data shows that as many as 45% to 75% of sex workers do experience violence in their work. Shit. Yeah. It's a high number. Can you see the numbers again? Yep. 45% to 75% of sex workers experience violence in their work.

And I think what's also telling is that range, 45% to 75%, because it's only an estimate because we don't really know. It's so underreported. Yeah. because we don't really know. It's so underreported, yeah. Yeah, and it's so alarming to see such a wide range because it's like, it could be as high, you know, it could be much higher. We just don't know. So violence against sex workers is also often committed by police officers.

So there is, in that case especially, no way to seek help, you know, when the person who's supposed to be helping is not. Relief funds and counseling services created for rape victims often explicitly turn sex workers away, like put it as part of the regulations or stipulations. They are ineligible for assistance a lot of times. What? Really? Yeah, it's just part of the rule.

Oh my God. for assistance a lot of times what really it's just part of the rule oh my god it's really disturbing and then of course adding on to that as we can all probably guess trans folks and people of color are at an even higher risk of sex work related violence and obviously just violence in general so it you know it spans over to sex work as well, unsurprisingly. So on August 31st, 2016, Robin was visiting New Jersey for a few nights with Bernisha, her friend, and they wound up running out of money and needed a place to stay. So they went out looking for clients. While she was out walking, a man pulled up alongside Robin and her friend in a silver sedan, and he beckoned Robin over with his finger. The driver was 20-year-old Khalil Wheeler Weaver. She got in with him, and Bernisha told him, be careful with my sister because I love her.

Then Bernisha, being, you know, smart, having those smarts, she wrote down the guy's license plate because she was like well my friend's going with him i'm gonna write down that's just what they did looking out for each other it's so wild i feel like i have gotten into a habit now where any time i see a car of any interest to me i try to remember the license plate and it's i'm sure such a good practice when it's needed but every other time i'm, the whole time I'm memorizing the license plate, I'm like, do I have OCD? Like, am I terrified of every car on this road for no reason? I never know. I've written down license plates since I was a kid.

I just always thought like, well, you never know. I would just. Yeah. Which, you know, is kind of an odd hobby for a child. But, you know, it could, you know, someday it might help. I don't know. Not who, not in, maybe it was weird for other kids, but not ones who were, you know, maybe destined to do a true crime podcast. That's fair. That's fair. And who were in the backseat reading like Stephen King. So, yeah, it's a good, it's a good point. Like of all people, it's not that shocking.

It's a good point. Like, of all people, it's not that shocking. But yeah, you know, if you're worried about a friend or whatever, of course, writing down their license plate just makes sense. So that's what she did. She wrote down the license plate. They always did this for each other just to, you know, try and help keep each other safe while they worked. Thank God. Yeah. So Khalil took Robin to one of the many abandoned houses in Orange Township and he murdered her.

So that was just the whole plan. That was just the plan from step one. Yep. For reasons we still don't know, Khalil then set the house on fire to destroy evidence, which was odd because he never did that again. So maybe he just thought this was an effective way for his first murder to try and cover up evidence. Maybe. Maybe if it was his first murder, he was bad at it. Right. Like more paranoid or something and thought.

Thought evidence was maybe going gonna be easy to find i don't know yeah to me it's sort of like well you're just putting a big flashlight on the crime you did yeah but you know i wonder maybe he stopped because he realized like oh arson was like i could have gotten away with the murder but the arson is what tipped me off or something oh like maybe the arson is you're adding on to it yeah yeah it's like another tell i guess so he set the house on fire um and the fire was so intense that five nearby cities sent firefighters to protect the neighborhood uh from cities oh my god five nearby cities sent their firefighters to uh try and stop the blaze from spreading. The fire was obviously ruled arson pretty quickly.

And tragically, when Robin's body was discovered inside the house, the lead investigator said in his 17-year career, her remains were the most destroyed of any he had ever seen. It's really dark. Oh, my God. And for that reason, it took two weeks for authorities to identify robin by her dental records so of course the news gets to robin's family of course they're absolutely devastated uh not only was someone they love deeply taken from them in such a horrific tragic

way but now they're also discovering things about her life that they didn't know. You know, her father, who's a police officer, didn't realize, you know, his daughter was doing sex work. It was just a really hard and jarring and shocking time. And then you think about how the news outlets framed this and it made this whole experience even harder for her family so headlines uh called robin a quote philadelphia prostitute a hooker um there was just absolutely no reverence or empathy for robin or her family and you know we see this all the time this is not

shocking information but when you really kind of zoom in and think about it, it's just so heartbreaking. Her mom, for example, said the world focuses on the last month of her life. She had a whole entire life before her demise. Hundreds of people were affected by her life and were saddened by her death. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just, you know, you said you had a sad story and i said oops me too because you really said i'll i see your story and raise you yeah and by raising i just like dumped everything on the table and tipped the table over and said i win yeah i feel like when it comes to telling a horrible horribly sad stories or like a board game it's

the exact same strategy with you it's like oh dump it over actually i'm gonna win so actually oops your piece fell on the floor i win um yeah so you know this is just i think we can probably see where this is going um it's just really really tragic um well and you mentioned um in last week's episode too that like i have not forgotten that you were like think about how the last episode how it was handled by people and think of how this is handled it's the essentially the same crime but because someone was in sex work all of a sudden just like care goes out the fucking window it's just like they're less and i mean we're gonna get to this exact phrase but it's like they're less dead or like less human it's like we just don't it's there's second class yeah there's

just a different approach to this kind of a crime and you know if you think about last week's uh story and how like ryan seacrest was tweeting well also i mean think about last week's story and how like Ryan Seacrest was tweeting. Well, also, I mean, think about last last episode and like it was it kind of goes into the same trope that we see quite a lot. We're like if it's a white girl getting, you know, going missing or dying, all of a sudden, like celebrities are pouring their guts out trying to like put in the effort or it's just put more just in generally. It's like in newspapers and it's in news reports more often versus like just even the verbiage is different you know it's not like oh hooker is found in a burned building you know i mean it's just such a different way of approaching it societally yeah and you know i'm not saying oh lindsey's family like liz Lindsay shouldn't have gotten international coverage.

I mean, I think everyone should have the chance, right? Like, I think everybody and I, I know it's hard because when people talk about like, oh, well, you know, this person got this coverage and this person didn't. the family of say a white woman who's been all splashed all over the media you know they they take offense sort of in a way of like well we want to find my daughter and I like so I never want to take away from that like obviously the more exposure the better to try and find somebody who's missing yeah it still doesn't take away though the like racism and classism yeah they're still rooted like like you're still you're still dealing with privilege after death like are you fucking kidding me like yeah yeah of course that would be how the world works today it's just a wild time it's just uh it's just a really um stark

contrast i guess this week and it just continues because if you're not ready to feel mad about this, then sorry, because you were going to be. Then I should just sign off. Got it. See ya. But you got to stay here. So remember how Bernisha wrote down the license plate? Mm hmm. And we were like, you were like, thank God. Oh, was that bad? Is that not good? Well, let me tell you. Bernisha gave investigators Khalil's license plate number and they said, OK, thank you.

And then nothing happened. Oh, oh, my God. OK, well, that immediately set me off. It gets so much worse. So society, as we just, you know, waxed poetic, tends to view sex workers as disposable. Author Eric Hickey coined the phrase the less dead in 2003, referring to marginalized people who are murdered, which is basically the exact best way to put it. They're just considered less dead. Society reacts like their death is somehow less sad, less shocking, less tragic. It's almost like, oh, well, they put themselves in that position. So they asked for it, you know, like fuck off with that.

Yeah. And so this is the kind of attitude that emboldened Khalil to see the news reports and do it again. Well, yeah, if you're I mean, imagine you're the killer and realizing that like your own victims aren't getting any coverage. And like it's like arguably such a convenient crime. Like it's just like a hundred percent. No one's going to notice anyway. And nobody cares. And it's like, I don't care. The police don't care.

Society doesn't care. Great. You know, I'll just keep doing it. Just heartbreaking. great you know i'll just keep doing it just heartbreaking so of course he struck again on october 22nd he targeted another sex worker 33 year old joanne brown like robin joanne had struggled with her mental health as well over the years specifically bipolar disorder and schizophrenia this made her an even more vulnerable person she She'd grown up in Newark, New Jersey, which was about a 10-minute drive from Orange, and she had seven siblings, one sister and six brothers. She was a joyful person who made her friends laugh.

She was deeply loved. She worked for a decade as an exotic dancer under the stage name London, and then she got into sex work from that point. Joanne's friends were constantly worried about her. She was a kind, witty, compassionate woman, and they wanted to see her thriving and not struggling, but she often struggled. And so, you know, they got together. They said, we want you to succeed in life. And she agreed.

They said, we want you to succeed in life. And she agreed. So she moved into nonprofit housing, which provided support for mental health and addiction. And along with those support systems, the housing also provided a structure. So there were curfews, you know, things that would arguably make adjusting to a more stable life easier. You know, you have these curfews and things already built in. She was still struggling with addiction at this point, and she was occasionally doing sex work. And this makes me sad because you can just see how this cycle continues because she told a concerned friend she didn't know if she could stop doing sex work ever

because it was the only way she knew how to make money and it's like what are you gonna do i mean if you're trying to support yourself and you're like how else i don't know another way to do this it's just heartbreaking especially when you hear like she wants to get out of it but she just can't figure out how so one day while she was hanging out with friends on a sidewalk in her neighborhood, Khalil pulled over in a silver sedan and called her over. She got in the car with him around 1.15 p.m., but as they started driving,

she realized she didn't have her cell phone. She loaned it to a friend a few minutes earlier who needed to make an urgent phone call, and so now she's in the car without a phone. So she always called her friend when she was working to let them know who she was with, where she was going and when she'd be back. So she said, Khalil, can I use your phone and call my friend? And he said, sure, sure. Here you go. So she calls her friend and she says, I'm with this person. we are going to this intended

location etc i'm fine i'm safe goodbye of course she was not safe she did not know that but she wasn't and khalil was lying about the intended location instead he took joanne to another abandoned house this time he took her to one on highland avenue in orange township and by the way this uh house this location was only six blocks from where he lived where his family's house was so so like the confidence of a killer too bold yeah like he's like oh it's just right next door not a big deal not out of my way almost like it's convenient you know like i can just go home after this. It's. Yeah.

It's. And also I can already tell I'm going to be mad because someone has his contact information. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And the police are going to do nothing about it. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. I'm already so fucking livid about it. Now you're getting it. Yeah.

Yeah. It's infuriating. Really. It is. now you're getting it yeah yeah it's infuriating really it is um and sinisterhood does that fun thing where um heather will like read the quote uh in it's hard to explain but it's just so infuriating hearing the direct quotes oh god anyway like from police and stuff and what what was it like they're like we had no idea there was no way of knowing there were no signs there were no signs well actually some of the quotes i will uh i will

relay to you as we go so um don't worry i i won't do as good of a job as sinister hood on probably saying them but i'll try my best because they got that texas accent too so they can do like the the cop voice yeah oh i'm not good at, love a cop voice as I roll my eyes. So he takes Joanne to this house, which is six blocks from where he lives. Again, like you said, very bold. And he wrapped her head in duct tape, and he strangled her to death after raping her. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wow. Oh, my God. her head in duct tape and he strangled her to death after raping her oh my god yeah wow oh my god so then because uh you know he's bold like you said he's fucking brazen he takes out a cell phone and he goes to recent calls and he dials back the friend that that had that joanne had just called

and when the friend answers and says basically like hello joanne he just breathes oh oh that's are you fucking kidding me and just and to be with joanne was was the friend's name uh no joanne was the victim she had just called a friend from his phone oh we don't know the friend's name uh no joanne was the victim she had just called a friend from his phone oh we don't know the friend's name uh no i think her friend was her her name was amina i believe to be amina and to know in hindsight that hearing that breathing like your friend was already dead and like and you were talking to someone who had just done that to your friend and is now just like oh trying to intimidate you like oh my god oh my god and to know that he's clearly getting off on it or getting something out of it is so twisted and so i guess i mean it had to be an intimate he probably like kind

of freaked out when he lent his phone and then joanne said like oh this is who i'm with blah blah so maybe he felt like this is my only way of like getting access to her and intimidating her into keeping her mouth shut i don't know it could be or he could just be i think the way they had framed it on sinister sister you know what i'm trying to say sisterhood as well is uh that maybe he was just getting in since this was his as far as we know second murder maybe he was trying to get in that like killer headspace of like oh i can now call people and just like feel like you know uh stoke their fear and like it's almost like that gross thing you see on a crime show like going back to the scene of the crime or like just feeding off other people's fear.

Like maybe he was just. I do feel like being on the phone with her was his way of going back to a crime scene. Yeah. I'm going back to the point where like, like I would, again, never committed a crime, at least not fucking murder and all this. committed a crime at least not fucking murder and all this but like if i was about to go do something and someone beat me to the punch and like outed me to somebody i would consider that like an emotional stake like yeah like a high stake part of it so that to me is a part of the crime scene for sure yeah i think i think definitely, it's like a digital modern day return to the crime scene. You're like, yeah. And especially that feeling too of, oh, I'm calling, I'm on the phone with her. She has no idea what I just did. And she's calling like, Joanne, are you there?

And he's like, she doesn't even know what I like the power play, the dynamic there is, is probably part of it too. It's just the ego of like, I know something you don't know. is probably part of it too it's the ego of like i know something you don't know oh my god well also i know something you don't know and when you find out about it and it's because of me you're gonna be your life's gonna be changed for the worst oh it's such a gross gross grotesque power trip um it just feels it's like so extra and unnecessary and the fact that it was after he killed her is like this fucker he was just sorry having a good time my phone decided to let me know there's a oh good endangered missing advisory shit i hate when that happens no did you do that scary alarm yeah i hate when it happens because then i feel so bad that i'm like not being helpful by in my home yeah yeah okay but speaking of

um every time there's like an amber alert or like I think it's called a silver alert which is like an endangered uh endangered elderly person every time if I'm outside I'm like look I'm like where's the blue sedan like as if I'm gonna find it on my street you know but maybe maybe everyone remember my mom was the one who saw the dc sniper's car so you know okay well there you go you you might be the one you don't realize and you might be the one so see something say something anyway he calls the friend breeze into the phone like a giant fucking creep and then he hangs up and says okay guess i can go home now of course he hangs up joanne's friend amina i believe her name was amina tries calling back multiple times obviously he's just like

ignores her blocks her number whatever and joanne's body would not be discovered for a month and a half okay here's the wild yeah so six weeks later nobody knew what had happened for those six weeks. And here's the wild thing that you've already assessed would happen. Joanne's friend not only reported Joanne missing the next day, she gave police Khalil's phone number and said, this is the guy who she got in his car. This is the guy. And remember, they already have his license plate and um they could just follow up with him and they were like cool thanks i mean like it's it's i just can't believe that you have from one person his driver or his license plate you have his name you have his phone number you have where you were going and even if the location was a lie at least you know you knew you knew multiple so much information. And by the way, this house was six blocks from where he lives. And you know where he lives because you can just put his license plate in the system.

And yeah, right. Right. Exactly. And what did this like? What would the police do besides like, oh, thanks for your help. And then just like throw the notes in the garbage. I mean, it's almost like they just like said, ha ha ha. It's like they lit it on fire, you know? Yeah. Like just like sneez the notes in the garbage. I mean, it's almost like they just like said, ha ha ha, as like they lit it on fire, you know?

Yeah. Like just like sneezed in it or something. And I should say they didn't even really say thank you. Goodbye. They actually said, quote, well, was she a streetwalker? Oh, my God. What is wrong? Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. And they were turned away from the police station. So they didn't even say, thanks for your help. We'll look into leads. I just don't get it. I just don't understand. To keep people safe. Yeah. To go looking for people.

What I struggle with, too, is like with Robin, like her father was a police officer. And it just makes me wonder that dynamic, too, of like. Was he. Was he able to say anything or push for anything as a police officer himself i just wonder how that dynamic works because that must just be horrific to be a police officer and see officers just like saying oh well she was just a this that the other i wonder what your own daughter you know did you did you say something about this at all but like i wonder what i mean daughter you know did you did you say something about this at all but like i wonder what her dad must think in hindsight knowing that his own boys in blue like just

didn't fucking take leads on a case that directly involved this kid like yeah that's what i mean like i don't know if there was any weird dynamic i don't know if i hope there was do anything or like i have no clue i have no clue but it must be and then if you think about it like Khalil his step I think it was his uncle and stepdad were both police officers you just think like you know it must be horrific to be an officer and have your own child in a position and then you see the lack of response there and you're like it must be conflicting or something i mean it sounds terrible it's almost like i mean i don't know i just i've there's no easy answer it's like a web of just like

shit it's just a disaster i i don't think this is like an actual trope or stereotype or anything but i wonder if some of the best cops out there are the ones who like fucking had a kid who like needed help and just saw that's isn't it this is such a stupid reverence not really but like just kind of not what you're saying i guess but like america's most wanted the guy Like his kid was killed, right? Mm-hmm. And that's how he started that. Anyway, this is just sad. Okay.

Anyway, I'm having so much fun, Christina. I'm so glad that we... It's like the job of my dreams. So sorry. I'm sorry. It's okay. It's okay. So now police have his name, phone number, license plate, and they turn them away. have his name, phone number, license plate, and they turn them away. Of course, Khalil was not finished because he is just getting the green light from everybody. Everybody who could possibly

do anything about it is just not. So he is now operating as what we call a spree killer, which is someone who commits multiple murders in a short period of time. And he was very obviously emboldened by his success so far and saw no reason to quit while he was ahead. This time, he picked out a victim that he knew personally. So Tiffany Taylor grew up in a Jersey City housing project where she says she was exposed to violence from a very early age. She actually had watched two of her boyfriends shot and killed in front of her. She had had guns held to her head, sometimes by strangers, different times by police.

When she was 17, her manager at work subjected her to relentless sexual harassment. So she essentially had to grow up early and grow up smart. When she was 18, she moved to Orlando with her mom where she studied music engineering and psychology. And she had big plans of becoming a performer or an athlete. And she thought about perhaps being an actor, a gymnast, an ice skater. There were a lot of possibilities, but she got pregnant and decided to leave college and move back to her hometown of Jersey City. Now, of course, life gets even more difficult because she's now a single mom. She has a criminal record, so it's very hard to find work. And so after struggling for several years to find work, she ends up doing sex work

to get by. Now, she is somewhat conflicted because she was also raised as a Jehovah's Witness. she is somewhat conflicted because she was also raised as a Jehovah's Witness. So she is holding on to some values, but also, you know, having to let some go in order to do sex work. So one of the values that she held on to was that she did not want to sleep with married men. And to be honest, at this point, after a certain point, she didn't want to do more sex work at all because she was tired of being treated badly by the men in her life. So one of the quotes we have from her is, I just got tired of men just wanting sex from me all the time, looking at me like I was a sex object. So I just started taking their money. So sometimes she would steal cash from men and then just ditch before they had sex. And eventually her path crossed with Khalil's. So here's their story. right it was tough enough and and then this motherfucker had to show up so she met Khalil one night when she was visiting with her best friend and her best friend was another sex worker

that Khalil often met up with Khalil at this time was 20 and Tiffany was about 30 so they were about 10 years apart in age and he seemed normal enough I mean I described him up top as being just pretty average, kind, like quiet. Unthreatening, unassuming. Yes, unassuming, non-threatening. And so they had met up and played video games at his house. And Khalil thought Tiffany was funny, cool, beautiful. And he became somewhat desperate to hook up with her. But she refused because she told him she wasn't interested.

He was too young. And he was already involved with her friend whose refused because she told him she wasn't interested he was too young and he was already involved with her friend whose house they were at and so she's like sorry i'm just not interested but he begged her and he became somewhat obsessed with her and so after text after text and call after call she finally agreed and they met up at his place and Khalil gave Tiffany $200. But she said she left something in the car that she needed. So she went back to the car, got in and drove away with his $200. Now this was an easy robbery. She literally just took the money and left. And she expected to never hear from Khalil again, even though she did know they had a few mutual contacts oh that's a bold risk yeah however and and and to like you said though he's unassuming

so it's like oh this like 20 year old kid maybe he'll yeah like learn a lesson and not do this again you know like yeah I think if she had known what a threat he really was it probably would have played out differently. Yeah, that was just a wrong person, wrong time, I guess, of like, oh, I stole from a murderer. Yeah, who targets people just like me. Couldn't have been a worse person to steal from. Exactly, exactly. And so she thought, well, that was easy and whatever, He's out of my life and basically just moved on.

However, months later, she starts getting texts and calls from a new number that she didn't recognize. And this person is obsessed with her and wants to have sex with her and tells her things like, I'm your future. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Is there heavy breathing also involved? I know, right? Yeah. He's really revealing himself to be a humongous creep. So he's saying I'm your future. He's obsessed. He's begging Tiffany for sex for a chance to be with her anything. And he must have really worked to make the text sound different than the first round of text because Tiffany

did not realize it was Khalil. She got a new phone and new number and Khalil somehow tracked that down and continued to harass her nonstop. So seven months go by and seven months now go by since her first encounter with Khalil when she had stolen from him. So seven months later, she's now pregnant with her second child. She is unhoused at this point and her baby's father is in prison. It's like it can't, you think things can't get worse. And here we go. Her mother had also been diagnosed with ovarian cancer and they were buried in medical bills, couldn't make rent and were evicted from their apartment. So here she is pregnant her mother

is sick uh she has a small child as well no housing it's just a lot going on a lot it's just you can you see how these things like just snowball you know and i i read an article earlier today um that said which was just shocking like a majority of americans are one crisis away from being unhoused and it's like a shocking thing if you think about like you know one diagnosis one big car wreck one whatever it is one death whatever it is can just send you into complete financial ruin and you know it's just something to remember when we're talking about marginalized people and like othering them, you know? Yeah. People are a lot closer to that than they think.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately. So at the time she was living in a car parked by the Ritz Motel in Elizabeth, New Jersey, and a man living in the motel paid Tiffany to locate drugs for him and pick them up in his car. And in return, she lived in his Lincoln sedan with her mother. That was kind of the arrangement they had set up. Okay. But she was desperate for money at this point. So finally, she's getting these harassing texts and phone calls. And she's like, fine, I'll meet up with you. But in the back of her head, she thinks I'll meet up with this this point so finally she's getting these harassing texts and phone calls and she's like fine i'll meet up with you but in the back of her head she thinks i'll meet up with this guy but i'll just rob him and leave right what she doesn't know is it's khalil and she's already robbed from him and

he knows it so november 15th they meet up at the ritz motel at about 8 p.m., and Khalil is in a ski mask, gloves, and sweatshirt. But it's really, really cold out, so she kind of brushes it off and thinks, well, he's probably just cold and, you know, he wants to meet up with a sex worker. Maybe he just doesn't want to be seen. Whatever. want to be seen whatever so she doesn't think much of it and they get in her car to go somewhere quiet and khalil asks her if she could please pull over so he can pee she pulls the car over and he promptly hits her in the back of the head with something and knocks her unconscious the next thing she knows tiffany comes to with her hands cuffed behind her back and duct tape over her mouth. Oh, my God. And Khalil has her in a headlock. And he is raping her. Oh, my God.

So she starts kicking and crying. Obviously, this is just like the world's worst nightmare to wake up to. And in the struggle, she bites her own tongue. And the tears, saliva and blood loosen the duct tape to the point that she can speak. Oh, God. And she tells Khalil, I'm pregnant. And he says, I know. Oh, my God.

At this point, she recognizes him. And she realizes, oh, he's out for revenge. And he's going to kill me. So it seemed at this point like he was enacting just revenge for being robbed and abandoned back in april but tiffany could not possibly know how sinister this guy actually was and that this was not his first time you know trying to kill somebody and so she thought you know what maybe i can work with this so she tried tried to gain his sympathy she told him the handcuffs were too tight and they were hurting her. And to her surprise, he loosened them. Oh, okay. So Tiffany's like, that's a good sign. Maybe I can manipulate him further. And she said that moment revealed to her that he was weak. He was young and inexperienced with people. But Tiffany herself was 10 years older than him.

She was smart. She was experienced. She was tough. And so she was like, I think I can maneuver my way out of this. So she tells him, hey, you can't kill me here because I left my phone back at the motel. All of our conversations are on it and it'll lead police right to you so Khalil like the gears start turning and he panics and he says okay okay fine let's go back to the motel you go grab your phone and then we'll go back okay to the woods and I'll kill you. Okay. Okay. Understood the priority of a phone. Right. Right.

So they go back to the motel. And meanwhile, Tiffany, who happens to be double jointed, was able to get one thumb to fold one thumb onto her palm and slip one of her hands out of the handcuffs. Oh, my God. In secret. Thank God. Thank God. And did i googled this i wasn't sure but uh do you know the percentage of people who are double jointed are you no i don't even know what that really means totally no um it's basically just like hyper extension uh you like you can like hyper extend your say like your thumb all the way back, no, that's the farthest they go. Yeah. Apparently 20% of the population.

Fun fact. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I don't know. Fun fact. So she's able to slip her hand out of the cuff and did not tell him, obviously. So they get to the motel and she tells Khalil, OK, yes, we'll go to my room to retrieve the phone so he's following behind her at a slight distance and instead of going to her room she goes to that guy's room because remember she doesn't have a

room there she's sleeping in the car so she the guy who like quote-unquote hires hired her to look for drugs she goes to his room and so they show up at the room. She's like, okay, this is my room. And to kind of keep the ruse going that she is still handcuffed, she kicks the door to try and open it. And Khalil helps open the door. So he opens the door for her.

She leaps inside and slams it shut in his face and bolts it nice good for her this is where i tell you we can all breathe a sigh of relief because she survives oh my gosh okay thank god wow so like the anger and the frustration doesn't end but at least tiffany survives and i i totally assume at the end of this you're going to tell me that she So like the anger and the frustration doesn't end, but at least Tiffany survives. And I totally assume at the end of this, you're going to tell me that she drags him in by his ear to the police station and cops go, you can leave now. So thanks, but no thanks. Yeah, I don't know.

This means nothing to us. So time to leave. You're basically right on track. Oh, God. So the deadbolt engages automatically. Khalil is stuck outside yelling and banging on the door. And Tiffany sticks her arm in front of the curtain in the window to show him she got her hand off the handcuffs. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. And at this point, he just fucking runs for it. Because now, I mean, also with her being free from the handcuffs, she can take the phone and dial 911. So he just is fucking out of there. He runs downstairs and steals the car, the Lincoln sedan. Oh, God. But like we said, it wasn't her car. It was this guy's car that she's borrowing or sleeping in.

So she texted him and she says i promise not to call the police if you bring the car back wow and did he he brings the car back shut the fuck up please tell me she still called the police she had already called the police good girl oh my gosh i'm so impressed with her okay she's literally like setting a trap is what she was trying to do so she calls the police she's like i'm telling him to come back with the stolen car so he drops the car off leaves the key outside she's shocked that he even like fucking fell for that right yeah yeah yeah she like described in an interview with north jersey.com he came back he knew i'm a sneaky bastard i already lied to him like three times how stupid

can he be right truly truly yeah but khalil avoided the police he came and left so quickly that he evaded them um of course god what good would it have done anyway i don't know because when they did arrive they were utterly useless um tiffany gave them his full khalil's full name his home address his facebook account and his phone number she described the whole ordeal her harrowing escape the rape and the fact that he's in a lincoln sedan right now yeah and they just didn't fucking believe her what do you mean like they just went okay well thanks and then just like i'll tell you they uh there's body cam footage and you hear an officer say so you let him duct tape you shut the fuck up oh my god i'm christine so you let them duct tape you christine

christine christine there's literally this pregnant woman who was almost strangled to death and has just been raped and you say oh my god duct tape you oh my god he beat her in the back of the head like i don't even how do you even fucking jump to you let him what are you talking about literally just they know they look at her they see where she's living or that she's living in a car that she's a sex worker her race probably and then they're like well i've never ran into somebody who didn't have a house to live in or who was a sex worker and thought they would let someone duct tape them and rape them i've never thought that so like why on earth is that your go-to thought of like well you obviously let this

happen not like you could have been unconscious or held a gunpoint or anything else all of your other victims have ever experienced oh my god oh my god tiffany repeatedly asked them to undo the handcuff on her other hand and they refused for a whole hour then they threatened to arrest her for sex working. So they said to her, you know, we could arrest you for prostitution. Oh, my God. Please, please, Christine, don't you tell me that that's what they do. Please don't tell me that's what they do. They don't. They were just, like, saying it to be fucking assholes.

I just, like, and oh, my God my god okay what's next i'm sorry i'm not laughing at the story i'm just laughing oh wow just all of it i'm just so so upset i'm so mad i'm so mad i just oh my god okay well please tell me it ends all right. Does it end all right? Here we go. So here the police were with information leading directly to an now active serial killer and spree killer. And they just don't know anything about him. And they did nothing because, like Khalil himself, they saw people like Tiffany as just disposable, as less than people. So they left having done nothing to help her or protect her.

And Khalil was still at large. Now, I'll leave you on this. Khalil was about to take his final victim, which would ultimately be his undoing. And we will get to that in part two. Shut the fuck up, Christine christine no you can't do that to me i would like a whole extra hour please because that was bullshit that was christine that was cruel damn it i'm so upset about this episode i'm so sorry i think i already started in a worse mood than usual because i already knew my episode was going to be such a bummer.

I'm so sorry. I just can't. I just can't. I can't believe someone would look a woman in the eye and be like, you let him duct tape you. I just can't. That one really. That was the the real ignition here. But like.

I was. Because it's almost like now they're talking to a survivor like the other ones are so horrific because their families and and them after after death are being treated so horribly but now they're looking in the eyes of someone who has just gone through like the worst imaginable situation and saying like we still don't care you know i'm just so grossed out that you could i mean you work in the fucking police force half your job is dealing with rape victims and you like obviously not a lick of sensitivity training has ever been blown through your brain but like like how do you say that to somebody like that's not your first rodeo with someone who's dealt with a criminal. Like, I'm just, I'm so fucking angry.

I'm, Christine. And I don't have anyone to direct the anger towards except you. So I'm really fucking mad at you that I have to wait a week. I'll take it. It's fine. Do we actually, do I have to wait a week or longer because of our recording? Are we recording soon? Or this is so fucking mean if we're not recording for like a month um oh we're recording monday so you have the weekend off okay okay okay

i'm gonna text you monday be like never mind i'm busy you're gonna you're gonna text me and be like i hope you're in a really angry fiery mood i honestly by that point you'll probably have forgotten about it and then i'll be like, hey, remember what we're going to talk about today. Just, oh, my God. Yeah. I can't wait. Wow, Christine. Well, thanks for riling me up.

I'm sorry. Man. I'm sorry. Man, I just don't know what to do with myself. Well, we have an after chat where we can just bitch, you know. I guess so. All right. Well, I'll see you chat where we can just bitch, you know. I guess so. All right. Well, I'll see you over there, I guess.

If you follow Patreon, you should come listen to our after chat where I'm just going to keep screaming about this. I'm sure everyone wants that. And other than that, what else is going on, Christine? I'm so blinded with rage. You have to close us out. Okay. No problem. Apparently, International Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers is December 17th. So it's still a ways away. out because okay uh no problem apparently international day to end violence against

sex workers is december 17th so it's still a ways away i just looked it up because i was looking up some fact sheets um so we're gonna have to even though it's one day a year let's all just commit to you know working on that starting now and uh i'm just so sorry. And if this is something you've experienced, you know, I wouldn't let this stop you from seeking help because despite the glaring inadequacies and outright just unethical, immoral ways that sometimes the system treats people, there are people who do care and there are people who can help. It might just be hard to find sometimes. So don't let it lose all hope, you know, if you can.

If I can't even see right now, but yeah. Okay. Well, anyway, come to our tour, read our book and watch our after chat i suppose and i don't know go scream into a pillow with me if you will have a nice cup of hot tea and just do some cross stitch take a xanax if you've got one i'm about to so um um all right well and that's why we drink