And That's Why We Drink - E327 Consensual Foot Blister Pics and the Speaking Your Mind Dance

Episode Date: May 14, 2023

Welcome, welcome to episode 327 where we're dancing around while speaking our minds. First Em gives us an update on the paranormal news of the world including a group of teens affected by a ouija board and then the Moffitt Family haunting. Then Christine covers a cold (ish) case with some wild twists and turns, the Lewis-Clark Valley Murders. And does Em now have Leg, Arm and Tongue Disease? ...and that's why we drink!We'll see you THIS WEEK, Las Vegas! Join us at the Mirage on Friday, 5/19 for our very last spooky live show of the season! andthatswhywedrink.com/live

hi oh christine what nothing we just we just recorded we were just being silly and it was a couple of goof balls a couple of silly geese you know uh how are you i feel like so much has happened since i've seen you but also not really like well you know i'm recovering from herpes as you can see on my face are you actually yeah i have um do you have you have herpes i don't know that simplex what two what's the cold source i don't. I don't know what they're called, but it fucking sucks. I've had them since I was a baby. But yeah, so I'm, you know, I'm okay. Thank you for asking. I've been, I've looked like quite a gremlin for several days now because I really just

had like cold. Okay. It's because we've been doing so much traveling and we were so overwhelmed and like it was just, and Blaze and Leona came, which is like awesome, obviously. But then there's the downside. But also exhausting. It's so much more work and like packing and, you know, just like all the logistics. And it's just been a very crazy couple of weeks for our touring.

And the last day of the trip, I woke up and my whole face had just like completely broken out in in like these fucking giant cold sores. My whole body like shut down i was like okay i've clearly been i i think it i think um i mean i obviously didn't have the exact same situation but i think it's i've accepted at this point that like okay after tour like i'm gonna burn out like i'm gonna have wild it's a lot it's a well also it's because it's a lot of like i'm gonna have wild it's a lot it's a well also it's because it's a lot of um short travel hopping where like i feel like when i'm at home i'm just on a really long layover like it yeah and you don't really get a minute to like breathe and you know we were in new york and it's just so much craziness happening back to back to back and also this isn't this isn't me trying to like

back to back to back and also this isn't this isn't me trying to like make our my sob story worse than yours because this just happened to be um just because these last shows happen to be on the east coast it just for me and eva in particular it's a harder travel because it it's two extra travel days which happens to you when you come to the west coast and it's oh man it's just from going to florida to then having to coming home for like basically to pack just to go back to the east coast oh yeah it's doozy i'm shocked you don't have herpes too i gave you hands up mouth i'm waiting well we did make out after that show yeah right true so it's just bound to happen uh no but i you know what i'm gonna i did it's interesting you bring that up and i don't have i don't have what you have but to bounce back to a few episodes ago when your baby gave me uh hand foot and mouth is that what

it's called i sold i just every time i say it i sound like my mother because every time i say the name of it it's three different body parts i'm like like arm and tongue yeah um but so uh look at us naming body part we're so impressive what a hilarious comedy show we do well so uh recent developments after all of you know that cleared up on my face obviously i've been fine for a while but um i still had uh blisters that were healing this entire time on the bottom of my feet. And yesterday they decided that it was time to open. Cool. And are you one of those people who likes to see gross pictures or no?

Yes. Okay. I'm going to show you a picture. Unless it's a needle and then I don't want it. No, no, no, no, no. But I to show you a picture and we, unless it's a needle and then I don't want it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, but I will show you. I'm glad I asked for us because this is a real doozy. I'm glad you asked for us too. So basically my entire heel became one big, big open blister. Cool.

And I'm just going to text you. I'm not going to text you. I was going to say, we did not get the consent yet from Eva. I am pretty sure Eva is not a gross image. As our employer, technically, I feel like that's kind of a line that maybe we should leave her out of, you know? Okay. Body part pictures.

So that's what it looked like. And that's how I knew it was time. Okay. Hold on. Oh, boy. Oh, boy boy that's a gnarly one so both of my feet look like that uh you know what it looks like those things you put on your feet it looks like an infomercial for like and then all your skin comes off yeah yeah but like literally like it's like almost like oh i just thought it's like oh oh eva i'm jealous of

you it's gnarly it does look like my foot had been sitting in like leather or something and like just the whole foot fell off so um it's very disgusting but that's what happened to me as soon as i got off the plane and i was like oh okay well at least now i think we can finally say that the disease has run its course yeah it's officially done so i'm sorry that you're now suffering with sores on your face been anyway i don't have any great photos of it for you but uh do send them though because i love a gross picture yeah they're uh they're not fun i've been getting cold sores since i was a baby it just sucks you know i'm sure everybody does it just feel like kink i've had canker sores like the like your

mouth yeah it's similar but it's almost like they're just so painful like they're really painful and anything that touches like so i'll get them on one part of my lip and but then it's like it spreads because it anything it like touches so it's like your whole mouth just gets what's the what's the radius like if it if you touch the sore and then you like scratch your face can it happen up here i don't think so i know you can because never mind i shouldn't say um i know hmm How do I put this delicately? I know that it is possible to be transferred from mouth to someone's genitalia. So I know that that's a thing. But I don't think it spreads like on your skin. I think it's like typically your mouth and you're down there.

Uh-huh. Understood. Yeah. Understood. Well, listen, that's what Google tells me. Okay, people, I don't have any other answers for you. Well, I'm sorry you're going through that. I don't know how to make it better for you, but...

I know. You can tell me a ghost story. What a sagoo. So, interestingly, my story this week i actually did these notes before like our florida show so we're gonna be learning together okay i have definitely forgotten this information um but so i do remember the way that i got to this information is because I was something happened in the news at this point. I feel bad because when I did these notes, I thought I would be recording soon and the information would be relevant and topical. But now it's probably been a little while and people are over it.

And then it's going to come out in like a month and we're going to be like, well, well yeah so we're discussing it now sorry folks uh but people kept tagging me in this news that there was an incident with a ouija board and several students i don't know anything i'm shocked that i didn't see this usually i'm like you know tagged every now and then in these and like i just see the glimpse of it um but no i've never even heard of this well so i looked that up and i thought, maybe I'll cover it as a whole story. But it ended up kind of just being like a short news article that was getting copy and pasted to every source and more or less the same article every time I looked it up. So I am going to talk about it real quick. But what ended up happening afterwards, I was like, wow, that was really interesting.

I wonder what else is going on in paranormal was like wow that was really interesting i wonder what else is going on in paranormal news and that leads into today's actual story so um just to update everybody in case you're christine and did not know about this ouija board incident uh this happened february 27th of this year 2023 and there were 28 girls in columbia at i hope i'm saying it right galeris uh educational institution uh so they were students at the school and all 28 girls were hospitalized after having anxiety and fainting episodes oh no and many parents of the girls blamed a ouija board that the girls were playing with right before they passed out so um is this a school are you gonna you're telling this story right before I ask questions

that are obvious okay you can ask the questions anyway I was just wondering is it like how old were they was it like a high school or like a college a high school um so it's unclear if the Ouija board was like used at school for a class or if someone likes brought it in or something professor M's class no not professor professor Christine's class yeah yeah definitely you would not allow that behavior if you and I were professors at the same school I'd be like I request the building across as far away as possible it would be so wild um so the protocol that you know came out of this was that they sent the children to the hospital and the school as of when i did these notes is now awaiting medical reports before any

updates for the public my oh my but two of the students um that were hospitalized had pre-existing medical conditions but not the other 26 yeah and also like same but you know yeah is it a specifically a fainting disease maybe i don't know hey i'm going through it right now so maybe you literally are yeah that's a great point maybe it's because of that time you made me play with a ouija board christine wade don't you dare piggyback on these people don't you dare i'm not participating in that well so this story which like i'm it could have been it could have been as simple as like oh a group of girls that all go to the same school together played with the ouija board and then it is weird that all of a sudden they all start having a

fainting yeah fainting spells um but the story kind of started spreading like wildfire and the head of the school he asked people not to spread any more information because they were causing hysteria in their like community oh no especially because there's no evidence of ouija board caused illnesses to be clear um but there's this one guy who enters the scene which i thought was so odd his name is chris deflorio and and he's a former NYPD cop. And he gave up his life as a cop and became an exorcist. I'm sorry. We were just talking about, what is it called?

The Death Files or Dead Files and the cop who like now does a ghost show. And I'm like, his name is also like DeSomething. It's always like a tough bookie kind of. Yeah. What is the, hold on. I want to look up Dead Files cop. also like just something oh like they're always like a like a tough bookie kind of yeah what is the hold on i want to look up dead files cop oh so it's like what's this guy does something oh deflorio deflorio deshavi they're all leaving the force they should have their own their own tag team like law and order paranormal interesting i would watch that on discovery plus for sure i would i would for sure uh but anyway he became an exorcist and he runs a non-profit in new york

called the demonic investigation sorry non-profit okay i know and he uh he claims that what happened is when the girls were using the ouija board they opened a doorway to evil which oh no that seems kind of like you didn't have to become an exorcist to guess that yeah a lot of people probably guessed it but kept their jobs um an nypd cop to to get figure that one out though yeah he had he he had a hunch and you know the academy really portals to evil so i feel like he had that hunch on a different case and they were like you should leave yeah maybe you should find a new hobby and he did so he now travels uh the country performing exorcisms with his wife so that's a

power couple right there like what's your my columns the warrens yeah a little bit or just like the ghost power couple type thing i think because there's so few power couples yeah i guess it's true there's nothing else similar except the ghost part yeah so uh he travels with his wife they do exorcisms and uh when asked about the case he said it is not an isolated event that these 28 girls ended up hospitalized from using a Ouija board because there are officially five schools in Colombia that have had incidents. Incidents? Incidences? I think it's incidents. It's one of my pet peeves because it's like an incident.

Incidents. So it's incidents. You're right. I don't know. I hope I'm right. Otherwise, Twitter will tell me. Anyway, they said he says that there are officially five different schools in Colombia that have had a Ouija board caused incident. What the fuck? One included a group of teenagers after playing with a Ouija board, all having abdominal pain, muscle spasms, and then passing out. Oh. And 11 students were injured and five were hospitalized. Oh, my God. So that's one of the other cases that sounds similar, I guess, to him.

It happens to be in Columbia. They're high school students, and it's all after they've played with a Ouija board. Most of the cases, I will say, have been dismissed as, like, they were playing with a Ouija board and then came in contact with contaminated food or water. And it could just be like food poisoning. Are they just like constantly playing Ouija boards down there and it just happens to be like the only thing they can point to? It's so odd. Yeah, I have no idea.

But we do leave off on a quote from him that says, one possibility is that something evil is happening in the area that is targeting children spiritually and is not being addressed but a lot of people are also like it's just food contaminated water yeah it's just food poisoning oh no um anyway that all made that's that's the story of what's going on there are 28 girls and we don't know any updates so it it became kind of a bit of a dud oh i see oh i see okay so then i, well, what else is going on in the paranormal world? And that's when I learned, I never learned how to say this word either. Um, so, um, I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. Well, it's the production company. It does all the scary movies. Is it Blumhouse or Bloomhouse? I say Blumhouse. I don't Blumhouse. I think, I think it's Blumhouse.

I don't, I don't know. Maybe it's Blumhouse. I don't know. I don't know. Microsoft Christine, I thought you were going to handle it with the words. Well, I'm sorry. With the proper nouns, I'm no good. You know what I mean? So, okay. So I was looking into Paranormal News and it said that Blumhouse acquired the rights to the story of the Moffat family haunting. So since they've acquired the story to this haunting I never heard of, I was like, okay,

well, I'm going to look into that. And that's how we get to my topic today, which is the Moffat family story. Oh, man, I can't wait. So there is the mom, Deborah, and there is a daughter, Jessica. That's mainly who we talk about today. And in 2015, Deborah wrote a book called Unwelcomed, the true story of the Moffat family haunting. And seven years later, last year, 2022, Jessica published an article about their story in HuffPost. And I got to give this article specifically a shout out because this was Jessica's firsthand account.

A lot of quotes from this, from my notes, come directly from her. And one thing that I want to mention is that in some of the sources I saw, it said that they called the ghost that was haunting them Mr. Entity. Ew! I hate it.

Hate it! But I never saw that in her actual article. So I don't know if that's true or maybe that's like maybe that's like a Blumhouse. Yeah. Like revision, you know, just like a little artistic license. And I'm saying Blumhouse because you're saying Blumhouse so that one of us is right. One of us is right. For fun. Makes total sense. But yeah, so in theory, the spirit is called Mr. Entity. But I didn't see that come out of jessica's article so i just didn't really say anything about it um but anyway i'm gonna start out hot with a quote my grandmother constantly warned my brothers and me never to speak about

anything we witnessed in our home and here i am writing an article on huffpost.com sorry grandma so uh the family lived in rancho and it was rancho which by the way has a minor league team i'm obsessed with the rancho coco monger quakes yeah um and so jessica lived with her brothers her mom her dad and then her grandma named Lee and uh Jessica says that the house was very creepy the family definitely had PTSD living there as far as she can remember but she didn't totally know why she just remembered especially her dad and her grandma being freaked the fuck out in their house for what she thought was no reason she was just like they are so paranoid and i don't know what's going on weird and here's a quote about that the strangest sight of all was the unexplained behavior of my family at sunset dad would creep through the halls like

a trespasser after dark he wouldn't leave my parents bedroom unless mom or one of the kids escorted him grandma gave a panicked once over to every room she entered no matter the time of day oh my god that must be traumatizing alone as a child to be like why are my parents so scared oh so then she goes into saying that this behavior and the secrecy of like don't talk about what's going on in the house even though she didn't know what was going on in the house except them acting weird um this behavior made jessica a little bit of like a recluse for a while and like made her really introverted she became really reserved um and she even said she would hide away in the house instead of make

friends um and she often danced around speaking her mind because she didn't, she was always like kind of, you know, am I going to slip up if I say this? Am I going to slip up? Oh, I thought you meant she danced around the house speaking her mind. Oh, oh, whoa, that doesn't seem very reserved to me. But I guess in M-land, that is not extroverted enough. She danced around speaking her mind. i think you guys are crazy that's what she said to her dad and grandma oh boy pot of array pot of array you're crazy you're crazy well let me guess mcbeth's tights also had a part in the fucking

okay no she metaphorically danced around the concept of speaking her mind my bad sorry i really need to figure out how to how to speak no it's not you i think my brain just sometimes combines things and goes what a cool visual image and then realizes that's not what's happening well unfortunately no uh but so and it basically her behavior it made her feel really introverted for a while um and after her grandma and father passed away it was just her and her mom at the house and her mom was cleaning out uh the bedroom closet and found a bunch of old photos so jessica said this is a a longer quote but very crucial to the story um so it's just the two of them after everyone's passed and her mom found these photos and jessica says i assumed she was reviewing the happy memories from her life with my father but when i looked at the photographs i

didn't understand what i was seeing. Every photograph was strange, some horrifying. A knife thrust into a picture of my grandmother on the wall. A group of bizarre shapes scratched into a door. Bright words written on a mirror that read, Lee Die. Ah! And all of a sudden it's now clicking like something is going on in this house. What the fuck one photo um i guess there were a few photos but one that i saw um on the floor there was like it looked like powder it looked like baby powder or something that was drawn into like weird shapes

like it was like a squiggly arrow one time but it looked like like all this was being written out basically in baby powder either on the rug or like somehow on a bathroom mirror but it was always this weird white writing gross and it was all over the house when she was a kid so now she's seeing pictures of it and it's in an eerie way and so her mom says this this is a quote from her mom i can't believe your father kept any of these photos he and your grandmother were afraid to talk about it they thought we'd bring it back if we did you're going to you're going to have a hard time believing what i want to tell you maybe i shouldn't you and your brothers have come along this far without knowing but something

horrible happened to us a long time ago it's up to you if you want to hear it there was something with us for a long time some people told us it was a ghost or a demon we only knew it as the entity okay let's just take a breath i'm really freaked out already i'm just like oh uh it's up to you if you want to know it's like well now i have to know thanks a lot mom jesus i feel like after i saw pictures of like a knife stab through my grandma's face i'd be like i don't know if i want to know yeah like maybe let me just live in my own world where this is all a fun play a skit that they were doing i feel like that one quote from that one article is what bloomhouse was like we have to totally get the rights to this um but yeah she was like something happened to us a long time ago and jessica asked were we haunted and the mom said we were terrorized goose cam

goose cam i wonder if that'll be the first clip of the movie so let me saying goose cam oh no it was like oh yeah i doubt it but maybe actually jessica pot of bereting throughout the kitchen so brave with her speaking of the mind so brave oh so in 1987 this is where the story now takes place in 1987 before jessica was born um it all started with that white writing that appeared on the mirror in the bathroom and it was the first time that there was ever writing on this mirror and it said no escape oh cool good start eventually the home would see regular poltergeist activity um and it was all documented in these saved pictures which dear christine i just might have for you no all right eva you don't need to consent to these okay don't worry i don't

think they're as scary as m's foot they're nothing's as scary as my foot that was that's the ultimate trigger warning um okay so these are a lot of pictures i gotta be honest um that's fine but i'm i would rather us post some of them like maybe throughout the episode like put them in the corner or something so people can see and then we'll put some on instagram too okay okay so here is the first sign of activity oh uh okay so that was the first one and then here's um some of the arrows like this is like some of the other white writing that they would find around the house oh no that's not good and then as i just said they were dealing with a lot of poltergeist activity yeah such as this you know that creeps me out by the way the poltergeist shit oh my god oh my god okay folks

it is a four poster bed that has just been like oop tilted diagonally and it's almost yeah it's like maybe leaning against the wall or something but it looks like it's flying off the like yeah diagonally almost it's very unsettling to look at. So that just became part of their norm in the house. Jeez. And apparently the photos were, quote, the photos that Jessica is now seeing while hearing these stories of, like, paranormal assaults on the house. Yeah.

Apparently the photos, quote, showcased daily damages levied against our house with symbols gouged into walls and whole rooms tossed into disarray. So here's another picture. This is of their bed just completely ripped apart. Oh, my God. Something has just like torn the foam out of the mattresses, like just shredded the mattress.

It looks like Wolverine came into your bedroom. And then here's some of the shapes that were being etched into the walls. It looks almost like chalk. Oh no, like they scraped through the paint. Oh God. Yeah, it's real crazy. It's like an arrow and a rectangle and a plus sign. Yeah, so there's a bunch of weird writing going on on the walls, on the floors.

Things are being lifted off the ground, being torn apart. And more writing would later appear to the family instead of just no escape and these weird little shapes. Eventually, the writing would turn into, quote, demands, insults, threats. Every message conveyed was a chilling human intelligence don't like that if the family tried to leave by the way because a lot of people say well why don't you just leave a house like this um the entity would follow them and apparently it would leave these same words and signs on windows where they were staying so basically they're just screwed yeah it's it's following them everywhere and the leading theory seems to be that it was following

wherever grandma went oh i see and noticeably out of all the activity grandma lee was the prime focus of the spirit and she would be terrorized by this thing she would feel chased there were items of hers that would move or be broken um literal knives were found in her furniture i don't know if that was like a like she might accidentally sit on it or something but then as i mentioned they're here i'll send you that picture this is a knife in their family tree they're here i'll send you that picture this is a knife in their family tree it just appeared family tree is very spooky because it's like a picture of her on the tree and the knife is directly in her picture only and there's a little dog down there at least it didn't go to the dog yeah so uh so now they're just walking around and finding knives in their walls.

And so again, she would feel chased. Things would happen to her. And she allegedly thought that the spirit was a punishment from God because her dad was apparently, like all of ours, apparently a hit man for the mob. Oh, I was like, what are you about to say? All of our dads are what? Well, it sounds like all of us are somehow connected. But so apparently her dad was a hitman for the mob. And so she always thought that the spirit was coming after her as like a punishment for her relationship with him.

And even creepier, one time, some of the writing on the mirror said that the grandma belonged to the entity i don't like that one bit so the family reached out to anyone in the paranormal world that would be willing to help apparently they even reached out to the warrens and lorraine said uh that when she went into the house that it was a powerful demon which like duh to be i don't need to be lorraine warren to tell you a random knife and my face on a wall is like not good news but you do need to go to the police academy and join the nypd because that's where you learn all of this stuff and then quit to become i've always been i've always been destined to be um so a parapsychologist also investigated and believed that the spirit was so active this is like where it gets maybe a little true crimey christine so oh boy a parapsychologist investigated and said okay there is something here but it must be so active because like the only way it's this

active is because someone is allowing it to be here and giving it permission to stick around the house. Oh. So now we got a whodunit kind of thing. Whodunit. Who is keeping this door open between both worlds. And that parapsychologist was on to something maybe but it definitely um led to a it led to a new theory because the the parapsychologist said oh someone here must be keeping the worlds open for this thing to come through but what really happened is the mom later found out she walked into the bathroom

one time and caught her father the grandpa wiping off writing that he had left for the entity on the bathroom mirror. Oh, OK. I thought you were going to say we caught him being the perpetrator. Like he's the entity, like he's writing the things. But you're saying he's egging it on almost. I so obviously we won't know i think in a more realistic world it sounds like maybe grandpa that's what i thought we were going to know that's that that might be my personal theory but the what we're reading here is that it seemed originally at least like grandpa

was egging it on gotcha instead of being the one causing all this gotcha and like was but he wasn't in the picture later right when it was happening he was not in the picture later because well i'll just say this apparently apparently the conversation that grandpa left on the mirror was urging the entity to kill his wife, grandma Lee, so that he could get her money. Oh, I thought he was like defending her, like back off.

And it was like egging it on. You're saying he was like in cahoots, either the demon itself or he's in cahoots with the entity. Yep. Okay. And, and because, uh,

Deborah found this out and learned this about him, she kicked him out and he left. Good. So that's why we don't hear about him again. Because he's asking the devil to kill his wife. Yeah, I guess that's a good enough reason. But here's, so that's all of that to say, my thought was, okay, maybe he wants her money and he's trying to set this all up to look like it's a paranormal attack, but he really plans on killing her himself for the money right like it was just like a really creative

true crime weird ruse yeah okay but even after he left this is where my my theory is flawed is after he left the activity continued i see okay so eventually deborah um jessica's mom she i guess was just like over whatever was going on and she just straight up told the spirit to leave um which bolds considering there's been knives at play and uh i wonder though deborah sounds like she's more of like the force to be reckoned with and the grandma and Deborah's husband or. Jessica's mom was the force to be reckoned with while Jessica's dad and grandmother were too afraid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think Deborah was like, I'm just going to tell it to leave and let's see what happens.

And I guess on the mirror later there, it said that it wanted to stay. And I wonder, are you just standing at the mirror waiting for like a word to fade in? Or do you close the door and come back? Or do you blink and it's there and you're like, damn it. Well, it said it wanted to stay. And Debra was like, tough shit. GTFO. It's like, please give me one more chance.

Yeah, I'll be good and at the time uh so she said it had to leave and it just apparently did so okay at the time a paranormal researcher was staying with them to study activity um because they were bringing in whoever was willing to listen to them and this researcher i don't know what the situation was here but he was now attached to this entity and wanted the entity to follow him home so he could keep so he could keep researching and i was like okay i was like okay that's odd but sure whatever not great idea but you do you it's like but you want him and i don't yeah exactly like i'm not gonna trade places with you let's just say no questions asked so when he left the house uh after you know deborah said leave and then the researcher left because she was like we're not doing this anymore i told the thing to

go away right the researcher left and once the researcher left and i guess maybe said something like oh you can come follow me after that there was never activity in deborah and jessica's house again wow the last message written on the mirror was goodbye my family goodbye you kicked me out goodbye my friend that's uh what's her name dancing around the house speaking her mind well so the entity may have left but the damage as we know had definitely traumatically been done to especially jessica's father and grandmother who had ptsd for the rest of time in that house always afraid that it would come back um but again when grandma and the dad passed it, it was just Deborah left with the kids and

Deborah didn't want to not talk about it anymore. Or the two people who were the most scared weren't there. So Deborah was like, I'll say something. And her kids were very supportive and didn't want to live in secrecy. Um, so they ended up telling all their friends, their friends were very open about it and encouraged them to go public and that is when they remember feeling for the first time that they didn't have to dance around with their words and for the first time jessica felt quote the thrill of being free from secrets oh and deborah and jessica have now been actively they talk to the press and they've shared their

stories with people in the paranormal worlds and they do uh they deal with their share of skeptics but jessica has said i just want others to know what happened wow now everyone's gonna know because bloomhouse bought their story so or did bloomhouse nobody knows who someone did uh and that is the moffat family haunting okay well this is exciting because it's like well now you've presented two stories that are gonna have updates presumably that yeah and in columbia we're waiting on more information and then this movie's gonna come out which i'm sure will spark a whole new interest in it. Cool. I'm nailing it. Hey. Anyway, I hope you liked it.

I enjoyed learning with everybody because that was a pre-Florida show research. Yeah, it did not occur to me that you did not know what was going on. Good. I tricked you. You nailed it. Okay. I am going to tell you about a cold case ish. All right.

So I have a story for you today. Um, um, I'm, I'm a little nervous now to tell you what it is because about two minutes ago, when I told you for the first time, your computer froze and it looked like you were just staring at me blankly. And I was like, wow like wow you hate this already and we're one line in but you're back and moving again so I'll try yeah okay this is the story it's it's a cold case ish you know I love hate a cold exactly exactly so I'm hoping the ish maybe adds a little bit of comfort we'll see okay this is the lewis clark valley killer i don't know what that is i thought for a second you were going to tell like the true crime of like lewis clark and i was like oh i know that guy and then well that's two guys

lewis and clark but yes lewis and clark shit yeah but okay well I don't know apparently it makes sense because that's who this area is named after Lewis and Clark so you know you're onto something um and I'm sure that true crime deserves to be covered as well but for today we're doing a more modern day story not quite modern day but 70s 80s so uh the documentary I watched about this it's a two-parter and it's called Cold Valley on Discovery Plus or Amazon. It's very good. I really enjoyed it. So if you're looking for, you know, more of a deep dive on the story, I would watch that. And that's where a lot of this information came from.

So the Lewis Clark Valley killer was active from 1979 to 1982 in the Lewis Clark Valley. And this valley, as we've kind of already discussed, is named as such because it's where Lewis and Clark once camped when they were cross-country trekking. And so it's on the border of Washington and Idaho at the convergence of the Snake River and the Clearwater River. And there were three towns in this valley where these crimes occurred. There was Assotin, which is A-S-O-T-I-N, Assotin, Clarkston, and Lewiston. And this whole area is very rural. At the time of the three towns, Lewiston had the biggest population at just under 30,000.

Clarkston had 7,000 and Esoton didn't even have a thousand people in its town. Oh, wow. On the census in 1980. Yeah. So very, very small. And because it's the 70s, it's just very small town. You know, obviously nobody's locking their doors. You know, a lot of these places to this day, you don't really concern yourself with, you know, the big city dangers. And so, you know, locals who grew up there said it was a great place to grow up. Kids would bike to each other's houses, to school, unsupervised. Obviously nobody locked their doors. um obviously nobody locked their doors so on a pretty average day on april 28th 1979 uh 12 year old christina she's also known as chrissy set out on her bike alone uh so chrissy

white she was very excited to go to a like street festival or like a county fair uh like a small county fair and so she had gone to a morning parade with her mom and her six year old sister. Okay, she planned to hang out with her friend Rose after the fair. And you know, she was kind of her brothers called her a tomboy. She was kind of just an independent little kid. Her brother explained she wasn't squeamish about putting worms on her hook, like she liked to be outdoors. And, you know, in that day, it was probably slightly more unusual, I guess, for girls to be that independent. And, you know, they called it a tomboy. And so she was just a easygoing, fun loving 12 year old girl.

She's on the walk home from the parade and she and her mom part ways once she reaches her friend rose's house and a few hours later chrissy called home and said she was sick from the heat so according to chrissy's brother she was not great about drinking water keeping herself hydrated and so she sometimes in the summer none of us are i know i was gonna say relatable i guess reminder everyone this is your this is your daily reminder to drink some water And so she sometimes in the summer. None of us are. I know. I was going to say relatable, I guess. Reminder everyone, this is your daily reminder to drink some water. Sip, sip. Hmm.

Okay. Just I couldn't imagine a better Sagu into that. Right? I know. I needed a little hydration. So she was the type to get overheated pretty easily. And this was nothing new. So her mom told her, okay, honey, drape yourself with a cool wet towel and lie down for a while and then come home when you feel better, if that makes

sense. So when Chrissy didn't call back later on, her mom just assumed she and her friend Rose had gone to the fair together. But Chrissy never came home that night. And Chrissy's family reported her missing that evening. But, you know, at this point, it's been hours. So the odds are already against them. Right. What's more is that the chief of police at the time had only been on the job for six months. He'd never even trained as a police officer. He'd never been to Academy.

And he basically says in this documentary, documentary like i was not sure where to start like he's brand spanking new never done any sort of official police training and now they're like there's a missing child so this is like poor guy oh my god i know in this tiny ass town so this is like totally out of the ordinary uh so searchers assumed they would find her you know just out on her bike maybe lost or hurt. And so that is where they started. They started looking. The last place she had been seen was sometime between 7 and 10 p.m. biking near her house.

So they took flashlights and they went out searching everywhere they could. But there was absolutely no trace of Chrissy. So in the following days, her father used his friend's helicopter service and they were able to do an aerial search of the valley. Again, they found not a single trace of her. It was as if she poof, you know, ceased to exist, just vanished in thin air. So it was three weeks later that they've got their first and pretty much only piece of evidence in this case. A farmer named Mr. Flynn was out in his pasture when he came across some papers and they had Chrissy White's name on them. Oh, and they were her. It was her homework, like her schoolwork.

Oh, I know. Well, that's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. And like when you watch the documentary as well, they do kind of a close up on it in the evidence bag. And it has like a B plus in red pen. Like you can even see the writing on it. It's just really heartbreaking. And so here's the weird thing, though.

It's been three weeks since she vanished. But these papers are in like great condition as if they've just been dropped there like that morning. So he immediately obviously calls authorities. And he, you know, he's a farmer. He this is his land. He knows that if these papers had been out there for more than two days, they would have been, you know, roughed up by the weather. Covered in dirt and muck and all that. Yeah, yeah. At least some sign of being outside. But yeah, he said they couldn't have been there for more than two days. And so this was like the first break they had.

So now they're wondering, you know, did the abductor keep Chrissy somewhere nearby for a while? Or were they just now or had they already, you know, killed her and were just discarding evidence like nobody could really figure out what was going on. And unfortunately, those papers were the only physical evidence ever uncovered in Christina White's case. So to this day, no sign of her, no other clues. It's just really shocking. Like she just vanished. So after this, of course, a small town like this is rattled. And, you know, the way people behave changes. Parents start driving their kids to school instead of letting them go by themselves. People start, you know, being much more careful of where their kids are, who they're with, what house they're at, you know, just keeping track.

And so it was, people were on alert, if you will. And one big part of that was, is this person somebody we know? You know, is this person somebody in our community? Or could this person have just been passing through and, you know, discard the evidence and moving on? Yeah. So things kind of settled and people got back into their normal day to day routines until a few years later in 1981 when another girl vanished. Yeah. It's almost like the minute things start to just settle, you know, among families. Yeah. Just like, bam, another hand grenade. So 22-year-old Kristen David was a college student at the University of Idaho. And she was another girl who was known to be independent and outdoorsy and did a lot of things on her own. She was very

athletic. She enjoyed biking. And on June 26 of 81, she decided to set out on a three hour bike ride from Moscow, Idaho, which is where she was at college to Lewiston,aho which uh is where she is was from so 30 mile trek uh my god downhill most most of the way but you know that means uphill back that means the later this is true i like to think that her mom was going to drive her back or something after the downhill part but i don't know oh okay that makes more sense i was like at least you're downhill second yeah no downhills downhill is the only way i would like to participate in biking me too yeah even at like a spin class just turn it this way i don't know how the spin class works but you know just put me on a downward incline on a mechanical bike yeah or just put me on a bench and i'll just watch because i actually don't want to actually lie me horizontal on like on the floor and then roll me back roll me to the car

and i'll just leave me alone because i just don't want to change clothes or get out of that cancel my gym membership actually oh i never want to move okay, this, this young girl decides she's going to bike home, see her family. It's a three hour bike ride, 30 miles. And she told her mom, okay, I'm leaving around 10 AM, but she never arrived in Lewiston. So she had work. And so her family was like, you know, well, she probably went to work and we just haven't heard. But her work called, her job called her family and said, where is she? And they said, well, she's with you. And they said she never showed up for her shift. Try again.

I'm calling you. Right. Try again, you know. And so this is one of those things where you hear it from a third party perspective and you think, well, what's the big deal? She didn't go to work. But her family and her employer said she has never missed a shift. She has never like no showed or no called like she has never. And even her sister described like hearing that she wasn't at her job and thinking something's terribly wrong because in this family, like we call each other, we don't leave each other

hanging. So they knew pretty much immediately something was wrong. The problem was she was 22 years old. So police were like, you know, she's an adult. She's a college student. There's every likelihood that she's just, you know, out and about and is coming back. That's I mean, I get both sides. But as a mother, I would be freaking the fuck out. Exactly. I waffle between that, too, because it's like, well, what the hell the hell like go but then you know there are probably so many instances where it really is somebody just kind of i mean we've talked about it before but like and when i was in college like i was up to a lot of no good and like there were just times where i just didn't answer my mom and she had no idea where i was exactly so i very well could have been shrugged off as well

maybe you just don't know where she is and she's fine yeah and it's horrible because it's like of course that's what they wished it were you know yeah um but unfortunately it was so much worse so her family called police and they said sorry we have to wait 48 hours because she's you know probably just running around and she'll show up eventually. But her family was like, hell no. So they took it into their own hands and started a search party. And the way Kristen's mom remembers it, this is also heartbreaking. She said, I absolutely knew we would not find her. I think it was someone that saw her riding along the highway and grabbed her. that saw her riding along the highway and grabbed her. So her mom already is losing hope very quickly. Sure. And after several weeks with no answers, you know, things are looking very grim.

And her sister said, I gave up hope on July 3rd. And the next day, that's when they found her. So at this point, it's been several weeks. It's Fourth of July. Some fishermen find a garbage bag in the Snake River near Clarkston, which is about six and a half miles downstream from the Red Wolf Bridge. And inside this trash bag, they find human remains wrapped in newspaper. Oh, my God. Wow. That. OK. OK, it's it's upsetting. And, you know, this is a time before cell phones. And so it takes them a while to get home and call police. And so by the time police get out there, it's dark. But by the next day, they were able to, you know, go out and do more searching and they collected five total bags. Oh, my God. Yes. And these were the remains of Kristen David, unfortunately. Oh, my God.

And it's horrible, but it's worth noting that, you know, after looking at the body and the way it was dismembered, detectives thought the killer seemed to, quote, work with purpose and with knowledge as if he had prior experience. purpose and with knowledge as if he had prior experience and you want some of the examples that they gave were you know a hunter or a butcher like somebody who knows how to take apart an animal or a person oh my it's so dark uh it reminds me of actually the black dahlia story just like that gruesome like precise you know precision of this uh and when they asked about the newspaper in the documentary they described it as almost like somebody packing it tightly so that it's not like getting the smell or the evidence like in their car or somewhere like they're trying to like keep it contained right um it's just really so sick to talk about uh there's no good way around it so of course this is devastating devastating um to the family to the community and now they're kind

of going back and thinking wait shit so this is happening again that somebody disappears a young girl from our area and could this be someone in town so now this fear is just sparked all over again i can't imagine especially in a small town where like you if you don't know if you don't know everybody you at least are always like two to two degrees away from everybody and like so i can't imagine walking around looking at every person like is it you is it you or like kid says, I'm going to so-and-so's house. And you're like, shit, who's there? Who are their parents? Yeah. Oof.

It's something I can't imagine either. But it sounds like a life of honestly constant fear. I feel like I just be so anxious all the time. So a man named James Archibald at this point comes forward. And he is perhaps the last person to see Kristen alive. I imagine he has some kind of survivor's guilt in a way, but we'll get into it. So basically he was driving down the highway and he was passing a van, a brown van with Oregon license plates. There was a blonde woman on the ground beside her bicycle next to this man.

And he described it as one bicycle wheel was still spinning. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's like right out of a horror movie. Yes, it is. It paints a horrible picture. And as he passed, he kind of noticed her and realized she looked to be unconscious. She was not moving at all.

The driver was out of the van walking toward the woman. And so this guy, you know, who's driving past thinks, oh, shit, this man hit a cyclist by mistake. And, you know, my first thought was, well, oh, you should stop. But then there's no cell phone. So he's like, so I went to the next town to call police. Oh, right. Which makes a lot of sense. You know, call paramedics, at least.

911, call paramedics. And so he drives past but what he kind of thinks about later is that as the man turned he saw that the guy had a huge grin on his face oh my god ew isn't that fucking gross and he said it almost like he's much older now so they interviewed him and this documentary came out in 2018 um and you know he's kind of remembering and he's like he had this he actually described it as a a big ass grin and the police officer who's interviewing him was like he had what like it just seemed almost like an afterthought i can't imagine oh my god there's nothing creepier it's it's it's the i don't even it's terrifying it's horrible and and they did try to do a sketch oh so anyway let me just get back to the actual timeline so he calls 9-1-1

and he apparently gets reamed out he gets in trouble with uh over his cb radio because they're like what the hell we like all came out there with paramedics and there's not a single person not a bicycle nobody and so you know why would he get in trouble for that? Like, well, I think they were like, what the hell? Like you either gave us the wrong location. Like, I think it didn't occur to them at first that this was, he just said like, he called police, they all rushed over there and they were like, what the hell, man? Like, where, where's this? I imagine that was so common though, back then, if like, if, if you're witnessing a crime and then 10 minutes

later cops show up but it's not there i feel like it had to be normal for you that's probably true i guess maybe in this town it's not like somebody gets hit by a car and yeah i don't know i guess yeah you could see it both ways but i mean you're kind of on to something because pretty immediately they were like oh shit no like he did see this it was just a different kind of crime than we thought and so oh still gives me the creeps um james uh the man who saw saw this incident happen uh says quote had i gone back would that guy have lied to me and just drove off or would i be in the brown van with her so there's also that fear of like well maybe this guy would have done something to me um and so he especially with a grin like that guy was deranged like there

was or like like what would that guy have said if you pulled over like no it's fine she's my child and i'm taking her home oh god it's horrible um and so they did a sketch because you know he had seen his face but when they did the sketch he said you know it was really hard and the guy tried to keep his face turned away from me as i passed so he barely caught a glimpse but he described him as being under six feet tall about 150 um and so that was about as good as they could get as far as you know identifying this guy and so this time you know this is obviously just horrific they've now found her body um in five plastic bags in the river and so now the fbi and investigators from both washington and idaho and three counties get

involved and they do a deep dive on this find absolutely nothing so people are now terrified you know kids are growing up with this like boogeyman in their midst like they don't know who's going to be next or if they know this guy um and investigators are meanwhile like on edge because they know if this guy got away with it twice he's not gonna stop you know yeah so it's almost like a waiting game and kristen's sister said i felt like the devil had moved into lewiston and i was scared for every human being in that town really yeah gives me the serious creeps so they were right because it wasn't long, September 12th, 1982, which was the following year that three people went missing in one night. Three?

Oh, my God. Wow. That makes you really panic. I mean, if you live in a town. Strength in numbers, you think? Yeah. Yeah. And also you would think like, oh, it's been pretty quiet.

And now all of a sudden it's worse than we ever thought. It tripled yeah yeah and it's like so is is he now working with other people are there multiple people we should be scared of or did he have it in him all all long or if i was only scared of one of us being kidnapped and now it's three what if i'm only worried about it being three but next time it's ten like you know yeah oh my god like you don't even know what to be scared of no and you don you don't. And it's almost like this feeling, too, of like, well, you feel this comfort, this like false sense of security if you're with a group or you're with friends. And yeah, fuck that. That's out the window. Apparently so. And another part that like I'm just going to skip ahead to real quick is that one of these three was a man and he was over six feet tall. was a man and he was over six feet tall. Oh, yeah, that'll do it. Now there's that fear of like, well, shit, we're not even safe with like a physically, you know, really capable young person to defend us. It's Yeah, it was just absolutely terrifying for everybody involved.

Three people in one night. So they were from Lewiston. It was 21 year old Christina Nelson. And the first the first girl who went missing, I'm going to call Chrissy just because it's it's like a lot of Chrissy, Kristen, Christina. So we got a Chrissy was the 12 year old girl, then Kristen on the bicycle. And now we have Christina Nelson, who's 21 and her 18 year old stepsister, Jacqueline Brandy, who went by Brandy Miller. And they had set out that evening from home to do laundry and go get groceries at the local Safeway, which was only a few blocks away.

Christina left a note at home to tell her boyfriend where they were going, but nobody really knows whether or not they ever made it to their stop, to either stop, because they never came home. And so when Christina didn't show up, Christina's boyfriend called the police to report both of them missing. And it was that same night that 35-year-old Stephen R. Pearsall also vanished. Wow. So after a party, Stephen's girlfriend dropped him off at the community theater. It was called the Civic Theater, party, Stephen's girlfriend dropped him off at the community theater. It was called the civic theater, which by the way, has since been condemned and looks absolutely terrifying and utterly creepy and probably very haunted. So dropped him off. His girlfriend dropped him

off at the civic theater where he worked as a janitor. And Stephen told her, I'm going to do my laundry and I'm going to practice my clarinet at the theater because it had a nice space for him to practice. And his girlfriend said he was in his usual good mood when she left him and nothing seemed out of place. And this is when people started to realize this theater was almost like its own character in the story. It was the focal point all of a sudden because, first of all, these three are linked in a way that they didn't realize at first so steven is actually christina's neighbor and they had um the kind of friendship where it's like a big brother little sister friendship and what's more is christina also

worked at the same theater as steven uh and this theater just happened to be on the way to the grocery store so good to know it could be that christ and Brandy were like, oh, let's pop in and say hi to Stephen on our way to the grocery store. Or let's stop in and see who's around. Yeah. Yeah. And so this is kind of the going theory. So months go by without any clue whatsoever. No sign of Stephen, Brandy or Christina. And, you know, there was a possibility at first, maybe they ran away, but pretty quickly, that

was like, obviously not what happened. Stephen had left his wallet, some uncashed paychecks and his car at the apartment. And both women had left their purses and wallets. So it just didn't seem likely that they did this willingly. And investigators said all we had at that time were just three missing people. So they were like, totally confounded. And as you said, people were more scared than ever, especially because one of these people was a, you know, six foot strong, physically capable man. And if he wasn't safe, then like was a, you know, six foot strong, physically capable man. And if he wasn't safe, then like who is, you know? Yeah. Even like fathers who were like, oh, I have to protect my young children.

Even now, for all you know, you're both in danger. You're also a victim. Right. So it was very suddenly like that any false sense of security was shattered. that any false sense of security was shattered. So during the search, Christina's brother remembers the feeling sinking in that things, quote, probably wouldn't end well. And, you know, he's interviewed throughout this documentary. He cries. It's like the most heart-wrenching thing to watch all these family members talk about this. So March 19th, 1984, the family gets the news they were dreading, which is that they found Christina's and Brandy's bodies. And their bodies had been found in a rural area outside of Kendrick, Idaho, which was about 40 miles northeast of Lewiston, where they were last seen. Both were largely skeletonized. Yeah, it's a horrible word to say.

Yeah, it's a horrible word to say, but they still had clothes and personal items like jewelry on them. But there was no sign of Stephen. Oh, intriguing. OK, yeah, that immediately throws up some interesting flags. Right. OK, so that is exactly where their heads went immediately. So they're like, wait a second. These two go go missing we don't know where we find them dead we don't know where steven is he's suddenly a suspect in their disappearance or in their murder so or or he's at least treating his body differently than the women and the girls and that that also freaks me out too yeah that's no good either um obviously but now they're thinking well maybe steven's the one who abducted them and sure is on the run you know and so steven's cousin was

interviewed and he describes it's like not funny it's just so bananas but describes hearing over the radio while driving that his cousin was a suspect in this like double homicide and he's like what the hell and he cannot even imagine that this guy is capable of this. His sister thought it was like some sort of sick practical joke when she heard the news. Basically, you know, this is kind of cliche, but everyone who knew him was like, um, no, like this guy, like his mom even said, you know, once we sent him to the vet because the dog had to be euthanized and he like could barely hold it together like he could barely function you know letting this dog die let alone like

hurting another person which doesn't necessarily prove anything but you know it gives a little character well that's what we all we all hope right that we're at least a person that if we were suspected of murder to the people who would be interviewed about us would very confident but confidently be like no that is what that's exactly it yeah because my goal that's 100 that is the dream because i feel like the alternative is like well he did he was always a little shady or iffy or you know there's definitely uh red flags uh to be had if your mom is saying that about you. Yeah. So everyone who knew him thought of him as very soft hearted, very kind. His best friend said, I could never see him getting violent.

I never saw it in his personality. I never saw it in his eyes, which again, you know, these are that's a white man. Maybe maybe somebody doesn't react to you the way they do. Someone's not looking at you that way. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you just would never have been in that, you know, sight, in that anger. So I don't know. I'm kind of iffy on that.

But here's the thing. There was one more person in the theater the night Stephen, Christina, and Brandy vanished. Oh, shit. Who didn't vanish. Okay. And he admitted to police he was in the theater and he told police he didn't see or hear anything out of the ordinary now in the documentary this is where it's like kind of i had to do a little bit of decision making because i wasn't sure how to approach this

but in the documentary he is not mentioned because police hadn't like released his name publicly oh okay but in a 2011 documentary his name was revealed it's on wikipedia it's on basically any forum about this so i'm gonna say his name because i feel like it's quite relevant and it makes the story easier to tell i will also give the caveat that this is fully alleged. He has not been charged with anything. He is just a person of interest, which, you know, just means somebody related to this case that police think might have information. So that being said, this man who happened to be in the theater that same night his name is lance jeffrey voss okay now voss says in an interview with police that he was in the attic of the theater working on the

light rigging when he fell through the plaster floor holy shit yes wow okay and he says the adrenaline rush gave him the shakes so he went to the green room to lie down on the couch. And that's where he dozed off. So this is his kind of backstory. So he got out of it. He got away before. So he said he was sleeping in the green room of the theater and he saw or heard nothing. Right. Now, this is a little shady because Voss said, oh, I don't even hear Stephen come in. I didn't know if he came in. But police thought that was odd because multiple people saw him enter the theater. And his girlfriend who had driven him there saw him enter through the door to the green room, like enter into the theater through the door of the green room.

And from her car saw him turn the lights on. And then she's like through the door of the green room and from her car, saw him turn the lights on. And then she's like, okay, he made it in and she left. And it would be hard to sleep through that. But not only that, um, oh, by the way, a police officer also saw him entering the theater at the same time. So there are multiple witnesses saw him go in, but also he was there to do laundry and play his clarinet like i imagine this guy would have woken up if if steven had gone about his business as planned sure so it's just a little odd it was like they weren't really buying it they were like wait a second this guy's going to play his clarinet and you're saying you slept through him bursting in turning the lights on all this i will say

i can sleep through just that's true okay's true. Okay. You know what? That's a great point. To date, I have slept through four fire alarms. Oh, God. You need to get. It's not a brag. I'm just saying it's because there's nothing to be bragging about there. But I'm just saying anything's possible when it comes to a good nap. I also imagine if you fell through a plaster ceiling.

You deserve a deep nap. You would probably not wake up for a while because you'd be like, I need to recover in my REM cycle. Or like if I if something like that happened, I just wouldn't want to be bothered. So even if someone came in and turned the light on, I would just. That's true. At least keep pretend sleeping so I didn't have to interact. Yeah. But then when you're at the police station, wouldn't you be like, oh, yeah, I saw him.

Oh, yeah. Just ignoring him. But yeah, I see. I do see what you're saying. And I do think that's a fair argument. You know, maybe he's a really deep sleeper. I'm just saying a good nap can do incredible things. So you know what?

You are making a good point. And I concede that to you. Here's the other thing that I think you might have a tougher time explaining. But maybe. So it's just other thing that I think you might have a tougher time explaining, but maybe. So it's just a weird coincidence. But Voss, this person of interest, just so happened to be the last person to see 12-year-old Christina Chrissy White alive two years earlier in 1979. Oh, shut the fuck up. Okay, that's a little wild. That's weird, right?

A little wild. That's weird, right? A little wild. And I have even more detail because he had actually been dating Chrissy's friend Rose's mom. So he was basically like Rose's pseudo stepdad at the time. So when she went to Rose's house, he was there. He told detectives that he was the one to give Chrissy a wet towel to cool off before she biked home. So he has already admitted that he was there he interacted with her he was the last person to see her alive and now he's claiming this is all just a big coincidence that he just happens to be you know in the wrong place at the wrong time yeah it's a little shady uh apparently his behavior was also a little shady because after Chrissy went missing, he got like really involved.

Which is just, you know, at first I thought, well, what's the big deal about that? But I guess after hearing officers describe it as like this is not how a person usually responds. You know, they don't try to insert themselves necessarily unless there's some other motive. I thought it was interesting. He was apparently very insistent about helping the search party, but he also kept trying to lead the search parties to specific parts of town, which almost gave off the vibe of like, he's just trying to misdirect where this search party is going. So investigators asked Voss to take a polygraph, but he hired an attorney and the attorney told him to cease all contact with authorities. So he never

did a polygraph. In 1990, Chrissy White's case was cold, filed away in storage when a new investigator kind of made that link between Lance Voss and Chrissy's case and then Lance Voss working at the same theater where three people disappeared on one night right yeah all of a sudden he's involved in like four of the five yeah it's crazy it's crazy so in 1995 investigators announced that Steven Pearsall, the third, the man who disappeared, was no longer a suspect in the deaths of Brandy and Christina. Oh, wow. Okay. So they started with a whole new theory. And this theory is that Brandy and Christina stopped by the theater on their way to the grocery store.

Voss, who also worked there, was there, attacked them, you know, because he has these predilections or whatever. And then Stephen just happened to walk in to do his laundry and witnessed the crime or the aftermath of the crime. And was then killed as a witness because obviously this guy wouldn't want him running his mouth. Right. So that is their new theory. Right. So that is their new theory. And then where it's weird that they still wouldn't he wouldn't at least bring Stephen wherever he brought the other women, though. Like if he killed all of them, wouldn't he just bury all of them next to each other?

You know, you'd think. But also, you know, there could be an element and this is not confirmed. But if there is an element of, you know, sexual assault and it's sort of like, you know, he has these targets in mind. This guy was just like a what do you call it? Collateral damage. Like he wasn't the intended target. You know, he could have treated them differently, so to speak. Yeah. Then the guy like he could have just been disposed and he wanted to like either spent time with the girl you know or maybe he kept them alive like who knows i wonder if there was a way to send a like a picture of of younger what not steven the guy the theater guy vos yeah vos i wonder if

there was a way to show a younger picture of him to the guy who saw a guy grinning, running towards the girl. I mean, there are pictures quite a lot. So, yeah, I mean, it's probably possible. Somebody should get on that. But again, like, I mean, we'll get to this, but like there's so much circumstantial stuff, but nothing like hard, no, like real hard hitting evidence. So even if that guy was like yeah that does look like him like it probably wouldn't confirm anything yeah so this is their theory now that he's that steven was stumbled into like either a crime scene the aftermath of a crime and then

was murdered as a witness and disposed of um and so at the time of the crimes, Voss actually owned several properties, including a vacant house near Chrissy White's home. He also owned other more rural properties where neighbors had complained in the past of his incessant digging at night. Bye. Bye. That'll do it. Are you kidding? I mean, come on. I'd come on like can you please point out the spots where you saw him digging seriously go look yeah i mean it really is like and he so at this point you know they're they're kind of honing in on him and they realize he has recently had concrete flooring

poured in the basement see ya wow wow, that's very convenient. I know, but they dug up some of the concrete flooring and found nothing. So it's like they felt like this is it. And then they didn't find anything. But they are still, for obvious reasons, convinced this is the police talking, convinced that he's the culprit. So I actually have some other like little anecdotes about this guy just to give more of like a, I don't know, a well-rounded understanding of how creepy he is.

Yeah. So there was this realtor who apparently was taking a look at one of his properties that he wanted to sell. And this is the one with the special basement he had poured a concrete floor in. Oh, that one. Yeah. You've heard of it? poured a concrete floor in oh that one yeah you've heard of it so apparently he was telling this realtor like on and on how great the basement was how much work he had put into it and he's like right this way let me show you okay this creeps me out so bad he's walking her to the

basement he's like after you she turns around to like say something to him and realizes he has his hand raised and he whips his hand back behind his back truly fuck no talk about absolutely not nightmare oh my god yeah how quick but also at that point like how do you even get out i don't know i would be i don't know i think i'd accept defeat i think i'd be like well i think I just witnessed what's about to come. And it's awkward because it's not like you can be like, anyway, I didn't see anything. Like, you know what I mean? Like, now you both know that, you know, that they know. It's like, it's almost like you're more likely to be hurt now.

That's right. Like, you are. It's almost like a witness thing again. I don't know. Maybe he thought she just really didn't see what he was holding. But apparently. Maybe she got out of it like oh are you stretching i'd like to stretch too isn't stretching the best i'm gonna stretch all the way to my honda outside and leave um see you later never i'm gonna go ride downhill all the way home on my mechanical bike

downhill only for the rest of my life because i'm incredibly traumatized and so she turns around just to say like oh so what and he's fucking ready to bash her brains and presumably this is all alleged to be clear we don't know what he was planning to do but so she's like what are you holding and apparently he holds up he shows her what he's holding and it's a blunt object that looks like it came from like a bed post or is like part of a bed post like a big blunt object oh my god cool why are you holding that um you know what did he say he just was like oh i was just putting this away they explained it and she got the fuck out of there. I don't even know how you gracefully disengage.

I wish she would explain that to me because I'm like, we could all use that lesson of how you got out of there. Because I would think, oh, I'm going to sprint out of here. But then obviously you're onto something and then you're in trouble. Your foot is blistered, so you're screwed. I couldn't even, if i wanted to i would have to throw part of my foot skin at him and hope that that would i just probably do the trick

nobody that would make him want to kill me faster he'd look at your foot and be like no get away from me um is it contagious i don't know uh you could just tell him you have my herpes and maybe he'll leave you alone but sounds like he uh he somehow got spooked like she you know what i mean like so lucky she's so lucky yeah i feel like there's either a luck or she did something right or not right i shouldn't say but you know what i mean like something that disarmed him almost because like the other guy walked in and he was killed so it's like she he probably could have physically overpowered her very very scary um but again this is all circumstantial it's just an anecdote like it's not going to prove anything um so here's another this this guy listen whether or not he did these specific crimes he's a creep

so i think i can confidently say that without getting sued. I'm not positive, but I consider him to be a creep. Creep is a vague enough word. I think we're okay. I feel like, you know. Anyway, in June 1972, this is. Okay, let me see how to broach this story because it's so batshit crazy. Okay, so let's say he's in an interview with police. Like I think it's his second interview and they're like, Hey, we're talking to you

about these crimes and you're, you know, on the list of suspects or at least not suspects, not necessarily, but people of interest, you might have some information. And they're like, have you ever been in trouble with the law? And he's like, well, yeah yeah but i was in the wrong place at the wrong time oh wow heard that one before yeah right it sounds familiar and so they're like hmm what do you mean by that and this is where he tells them of an incident in june of 1972 in san jose california at the willow glen mortuary and this was a funeral home that Voss was caught breaking into. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

And so inside this funeral home was the body of 17-year-old Antoinette Anino. And this young girl had gotten into an argument with her boyfriend at a beach outing. And they were sitting on the beach talking. And after 10 or 15 minutes, he told her, you know, once you feel better, once you've calmed down, like, come find us. It was him and her brother and her brother's girlfriend. And he's like, I'm going to go join them whenever you're feeling up for it. Come back and join us. You know, we'll be up there wherever they were hanging out. So a little while later, security comes up to the group and says,

oh, we're closing the boardwalk. You know, you guys have to head home. And they're like, okay, let's go find Antoinette. We don't know where she is. They go back down to the beach. They cannot find her. So they head home. And it wasn't until 2.30 or 3 a.m. that night that a couple walking the beach saw a body in the water and uh you know she was wearing a gold watch and a necklace with a cross she was otherwise totally nude uh there were no signs of her clothing anywhere uh and yet her death was ruled a suicide by drowning um presumably because of this argument with the boyfriend although you, the details still didn't add up. People still wonder, like, where did the clothes go?

Like, they don't just vanish. It's just so it's it's just an odd story. But so keep that in mind. Her body was in the funeral home and there is an attempted break in. Right. And who could it be but this Lance Voss. And so the people who live above the funeral home catch him trying to slash through a screen window and break in. And he's carrying a flashlight, a camera and a knife.

OK, wow. And wow, they it gets worse. They ask him, what are you doing? And he says, I'm trying to get in to see my girlfriend one last time with a knife. Girl, what are you doing? That's no, no, no. That's wild. And the other part of it is Antoinette was the only body, only deceased person in the building.

So it wasn't like, oh, he was referencing someone else. someone else um he could have like maybe gone into like try to like because you said he somehow it seemed that these bodies were professionally or expertly butchered like maybe he was going in like thinking he could like practice or something on a dead body here's the theories the two main theories that i thought were interesting are one he killed her at the beach and wanted to and, you know, it was ruled a suicide. But like he took her clothes or what have you. And he wanted to go in. I mean, he has a camera with him and it's like pre cell phone days. So presumably take photos, perhaps do more horrible things to her body.

do more horrible things to her body. And then the other theory is that he didn't have anything to do with her death, but he heard that he knew there was a young woman's body in the funeral home and wanted to, you know, assault it. And the knife was like a precaution in case somebody caught him or something? Well, I think the knife was just to get through the screens. Oh, okay. But he had a camera, which is like very unsettling to me. Like, why are you going in to see your quote unquote girlfriend one last time?

And to be clear, it was not his girlfriend. The boyfriend was someone else. But he just kind of said that as an excuse. And it was like, what do you mean by that? And why do you have a camera? There's no other reason that in the middle of the night you're breaking into a funeral home like there's nothing good coming of that something bad's happening so he told police well i was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and that's a fucking something i've never heard come out of his mouth about a stretch like come on um a big stretch uh so just really fucking shady. And so now we fast forward to 1996.

Um, and there is another weird anecdote that doesn't turn into any like physical evidence, but also just gives an idea of how creepy this dude is. So it's 1996. Um, a local girl named Crystal, she's a teenager and she's interviewed. She gives her, uh, account of the story. She had a very weird experience, uh experience with this person of interest, Lance Voss. She's out camping with her family in the middle of nowhere. And it wasn't like a regular campsite that people went to. It was just like way out in the middle of nowhere. Just her family,

you know, were going there. Just a random spot in the woods by the river. And Crystal's family is fishing near a bridge, but she was kind of standing alone about 50 yards away when a man pulls up in a truck and asks her for directions. And she says, you know, I don't really know the place you're trying to get to or where it is. But, you know, my family's down under the bridge. If you want to drive over and ask them, they might know. And so he says, hey, why don't you hop in and i'll give you a ride back to your family hey uh no hey uh no right and she's like that's when i started to get creeped out because it didn't make any sense like they're 50 yards away it's not like you need a ride to get like you know that far um and so she's she says immediately she was like, this is nothing good. And so she says, nope.

And he kind of. Pieces out. So he leaves and she said she thinks he saw her dad and maybe uncle and was like, never mind. This isn't worth it, you know? Yeah. And so he never got his directions. He'd never even asked the family. So clearly that was not the real intention um and she left with her parents but apparently two of her family members i think it was like an uncle and his wife stayed to camp the night and apparently the man

came back so they're at their campsite and the woman goes hey there's that creepy man from earlier today and he just kind of pops his head out and again this is worse than what i thought was going to happen yeah this is not like a public campsite this is just like he's been like ogling them lurking yeah and so at first the the guy i think his name was daryl did not see anything and then the guy like popped up again and this time daryl was getting like really freaked out he yeah he's like this guy's lurking around our campsite you know nothing good can come of this so they kept so they got so freaked out that the gun they kept on hand um they grabbed it and held

it while they packed up and they left in the middle of the night they were like we're not sleeping here yeah so sometime later I don't know if it was weeks or maybe months later, Daryl and his wife are at a street fair and there's a band performing and they look at the stage and they go, oh, my God, that guy was the one lurking at our campsite. Oh, he's oh, God. He's in a band and he's performing. And apparently the person next to them at the fucking street fair says, do you know who that is? That's Lance Voss, the guy who's like a person of interest in all of these crimes. And they're like, oh, my God, because they had no idea that it was the same person. So just like really weird, dude, whether or not he's a murderer, which is unclear so far.

And it seems like there's a lot of times he said, oh um i was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and that seems to follow him yeah through multiple times and even a short span he's either like the unluckiest like standby to a serial murderer or he is the luckiest serial murderer because he's getting away with it it's one of the two yeah it's bizarre and, I think that's the kind of pattern they kept mentioning in the docuseries as well is like there are too many coincidences. Like it doesn't it's just too much to write off. You know, it's a little too weird that he is so connected to everybody. Yeah. Um, so as of the documentary, uh, which like I said, came out in 2018, detectives are still convinced that Lance Voss, um, is responsible for these five abductions and murders, but

there is just an absolute lack of physical evidence. And like, you know, now they're trying to get any DNA they can. Um, they even found his old car that he had driven at the time and tried to find DNA evidence. But, uh, all of this is currently with the fbi so we don't know if any of these have panned out but they are still looking and they are still trying to gather dna evidence since they didn't have that 30 years ago and disturbingly enough several men have tried to confess to kristen david's murder the one who was dismembered. And all of them have been

ruled out. And it's just that same gross thing of like people confessing to crimes they didn't commit. It's gross. So in 2017, a cold case unit launched a new effort to solve the what do you call it? Civic Theater

3, I think they called it um which is brandy christina and steven and although they acknowledge a strong link between these cases the fbi is actually investigating kristin david's murder separately because they think it might be a different person just based on the way she was dismembered and it just seemed like a different that'd be crazy if there were two i know the same small town that both got away with it it's wild because like the the profiler they interviewed from the fbi was like you know this is a very specific type of person who dismembers someone like this and that's part of their whole thing but like the other ones weren't so his theory is

that it's two different people um but then also like that's wild too like you said well there's two of them running around so who knows but the fbi is treating it separately um but they do acknowledge their you know our links and then finally detective jackie nichols uh who's kind of like the main character of this this show She is the she is a detective with the Assotin County Sheriff's Office. And she says to this day that she has not given up on Chrissy White. She actually works the case off the clock quite a bit. Oh, wow. I know.

And keeps a photo of Chrissy on the bulletin board in her office because she doesn't ever want to forget who she's fighting for. And the families and friends of all five victims, you know, a lot of them have passed, especially the parents, which is heartbreaking. But they all hope that, you know, some piece of evidence will come through and crack the case open. And they'll finally be able to bring this to trial. Pretty much everyone interviewed and this might just be a bias of the show. But pretty much everyone who's interviewed was like, I'm confident that that is who did it. And throughout the whole show, they they say like they like either bleep out the person's

name or they say like the person of interest um but since it's so you know widely googleable i figured it's okay to mention uh who is this suspect is not suspect who is this person of interest that um people are looking at so yeah it's uh it's something you know it's wild that there's also no physical evidence it's like how lucky and unlucky can you get all at the same time if you're getting away with multiple murders and there's no especially let's say that stretch thing where he was going to hit that one woman over the head. It's like he clearly is if he if that was really what his plan was, was to hurt this person. He's fine with a little blood splatter. So like true.

So like how are you cleaning it up so well? Like what's happening? You know, it's really true. That's what one of the things I said to like it would have to he would have to have a space to feel comfortable doing these things where people aren't going to see it or catch him. And, you know, they interview him. They play the old interviews and it's all extra creepy because they put the voice modulator on because it's like they don't want to reveal this person's identity. identity um but he says he says all these weird details when they're discussing like okay so you fell asleep on the couch in the green room and they're asking these questions and he's responding and he he has all these weird details that are like a little strange like why would you say that like for example he said oh i heard the phone ringing but i didn't answer and the detective

nichols she's convinced that it's because either his wife's because he was married either his wife said to him like oh I called and you didn't pick up yeah so he could say oh yeah I heard it but I was napping or there's some right he's trying to fill in the gaps before people you know ask more questions um but it's just a very strange story and you know again as of now he's innocent until proven guilty but we'll see i also wonder like if it was him how why would he go why would he have a moment with uh the the first the very first victim why would he have done that and then it was so apparently expertly you know handled by him at the end that it's it implies there's more that we never saw. Yeah.

And then why would there be this massive gap where he didn't do anything, at least that we know of, and then he goes into three people? Like, it's all the behavior is just all over the place. It's all over the place, and, like, that is also another pattern throughout the whole show that pretty much everyone agrees

there is no way that this is his only, these are his only crimes. another pattern throughout the whole show that pretty much everyone agrees. There is no way that this is his only, these are his only crimes. There's no way it's only isolated to this area because he moved from Chicago. There's no way that it's that he stopped and hasn't done anything unless he's like physically incapable or there's some other reason. But like the profiler said, like his compulsions would not be kept in check if, you know. So I don't know.

It's very disturbing to think about this person still out there. And again, we don't know that it was this guy. He's just somebody that the victim's families are are eyeing and the police are eyeing. But we don't have any hard evidence. So, you know, until we find that or not we, but somebody smarter than me. we don't have any hard evidence uh so you know until we find that or not we but somebody smarter than me um we don't know wow so that's why i said it's a cold case ish because i was like a lot of people are like we know who did it but obviously we don't really um for legal purposes and otherwise it's a it's a good story but horrible that it's a real story i know um

i wish it were fictional i wish i could say just kidding yeah well anyway thank you for the the bum out i was hoping for you're so welcome i hope i was a little too happy today so that's right i saw it in your eyes the glint the glint of joy and you're like let's bring you back down to earth let's extinguish it oh well uh to end on a happy note i found one of my old uh magic tricks oh whoa and it changes colors i bring it with me on like planes and stuff to like entertain babies because then i hope they won't cry you know but i don't think babies understand the concept so i mean i don't think you're supposed to understand the concept i think that's the fun of a rainbow scarf i guess so but i i like to think like oh if i had if i were sad and someone had this on a plane i'd watch them for like an hour wait

maybe this is our new ending you just do a little magic trick yeah well maybe sure i guess audio wise it doesn't do much for people but it's me it's me tugging on a scarf and it's not so magically changing colors before everyone's eyes it's pretty magical to me but anyway i i found this i've been i've been digging through my closets and organizing my cabinet so i'm i'm finding a lot of good little trinkets. So hopefully I find something. Actually, I found one already that's supposed to be a gift for you. And I forgot to give it to you for Christmas.

You've got things coming for that birthday of yours in less than a month. Less than a month till both our birthdays. When does this come out? When is our birthday episode? I hope this isn't it. Let me look. 3-29. Can you imagine?

Is it? Oh, no. It's the next one, though. Our birthday is next episode? Yeah. 3-30, which comes out Sunday, June 4th. So your birthday was last night. So it came out at midnight between our birthdays.

Oh! Come on. Do you know what that means? at midnight between our birthdays oh come on do you know what that means that it's so that means it'll be my time my birthday your time your birthday pacific it comes out on both our birthdays that's bananas wow so when you hear this i'm 31 but this is coming from a 30 year old voice so maybe i sound very petite you do sound very youthful i can i do say you do thank you uh wow okay so we should figure out something to do for your for the b-day oh wait i just realized never mind this comes out yeah it comes out the week before our birthday so you will not be 31 yet

you'll be 31 next week next week you will hear me speaking with a the voice of a 31 year old yeah yeah and i'll we'll have to figure out something and i'll have to come up with something because last time no two times ago was hersing shifter and i can't do that again that'd be too obvious yeah oh man well we'll see what i conjure up me too i'm like oh all right and that's why we drink