And That's Why We Drink - E333 Glowing Green Spaghetti Bolognese and a Teeny Tiny Apothecary

Episode Date: June 25, 2023

The air feels weird for episode 333 - maybe it's because we're talking about some naughty things like government UFO whistleblowing! That's right, Em takes us on a deep dive into the recent claims made by David Grusch that the U.S. government not only has alien spacecraft but bodies as well. Then Christine covers the extremely distressing case of Ryan Waller and some wildly infuriating police incompetence. And Christine drinks this week on behalf of Em's veins... and that's why we drink!Don't miss Christine on tour this summer with Beach Too Sandy, Water Too Wet! beachtoosandy.com

the air feels weird the air feels weird yeah what are you bringing to the table you you're bringing an energy that's um um i'm an empath and so I can sense other people's energies. Yeah, my energy is a little wild today. Don't you love when people claim like, oh, I can sense other people's energies? I'm like, me too, because I've known them for 10 years. Because you're looking me in the eyes and I'm twitching. Well, no, I was just really flustered. I had doctor's appointments and everything today, and I felt like I wasn't having enough time.

I woke up at 6 a.m. to get everything done. It still didn't work out. Fuck. No, I... By the way, before we start on a classic M finds a way to complain about things note, did you maybe get something at your door today well that was my why i drink today okay i was very nervous it didn't get there no no i just i felt bad because i wasn't texting you but i was like i was gonna bring this up on

this show okay oh no i okay well i'm glad it got delivered to you i uh christine has some shows without me coming up and i and without Eva it must be noted because I have become the point person for for Beach Too Sandy and my brother's like since you know this better than I do can you be the point person I was like totally well I uh I'm very excited and proud of you I'm excited for you and proud of you and also happy to um not have anxiety building in me today but i'm sure it's building in you and so i wanted to send you something but i i was nervous because just one of the other things i got all flustered about today is the delivery guy called me and seemed so confused about how to deliver something. And I was like- The thing to me?

Yeah. Which like, it was just like a normal, like, I mean- What? Okay, let me set the scene. Yeah. What did I set? I don't remember. I was on a road trip for many days.

I've been driving, well, I was driving, Blaise was driving, but I'm just like at my wits end and I'm home for 12 hours and then i leave for tempe arizona the beautiful metropolis of tempe tomorrow morning like 6 a.m for a show for bg sani anyway also by the way thank you to everyone who like listened to the show we got like a boost in listens after that one episode where i mentioned the show so that was very nice um but so i got home and i'm like trying to get my bags in and my mom's like this got this was on your front porch and it's this big edible arrangements bag and i'm like em sent me something because who else would send me that and there were all these

chocolate covered strawberries and there was like a box of like little drink like where you like hot i think they're like hot cocoa bombs or something oh I kind of do remember it said like it was a drink bomb it's for alcohol I think it should be oh it is oh I didn't even look that closely it looked like a hot chocolate one oh that changes everything if it's hot chocolate I'll be disappointed I think I got that because I thought it was a cocktail situation it might be I didn't look close enough I was very excited and by the way Leona had I was gonna say going to say her first, but no, she's had the chocolate covered strawberries the last time you sent them too. And she just, it's like the peak of her existence, these chocolate covered strawberries.

So far, it sounds like her and I finally have like a similar palette, a food palette. Yeah, you do. You really do connect on that level. So thank you, Em. And it was just so thoughtful and like, I don't know do connect on that level um but so thank you m and it was it was just so thoughtful and like i don't know i just it just made my day so thank you well i think i you're welcome i wasn't going to i wasn't trying to like flex and like bring it up i just wanted to make sure it actually got there because the delivery guy seemed like he didn't know what stairs were and i was like oh that's well you don't either to be fair you just

see them as a threat so i feel like i even said i was like do you have an issue with stairs and he was like no i just i do what you want me to leave them on stairs and i was like yeah i don't know what you might have done which sometimes happens sometimes they go to the side porch and they're like really confused because there's like a gate and like a baby gate and like he seemed really as flustered as i was today so bizarre i really don't have an explanation for that part of me thought he was like trying to act confused so he could swipe them that was my big fear he's like sorry i don't get it so i'm gonna take these strawberries home even though i work for edible arrangements and probably can eat these all day long i know i was just nervous that it got it didn't get to you so anyway i wanted to send you something

because this is where i also shout out christine for my birthday christine sent me this like holy crap to the liver the livery person was also incredibly confused and i was like i'm not i was like i am in a different state it was very chaotic anyway well i wanted thank you for that because it was a very yummy yummy colorful cake in every way and neon green as the color option you picked neon green for the frosting you picked rainbow for the six slices and then you picked candy in the center yeah yeah yeah it was like willy wonka exploded but um i But it was very yummy. I felt bad. I wanted to send you something on your birthday, but I knew you weren't in town.

Anyway, there's that. Oh, that was so nice. Yeah, no, this was so perfect. Thank you, Em. The other reason why I- Also, the berries said thank you in big letters. So I was like, oh, you're welcome. I don't know what, for what.

Maybe for the cake. I picked good luck, but- Oh, cool. it said thank you but i'll take either or okay well the other reason i drink is because yesterday was my first round of this vain nonsense christine how is it i i'm so i'm it was hold on this is why i drink look m by the way remember how you had like to we had to slightly delay our start today um because you had doctor stuff and i felt so bad because i was like not being as flexible as i like to be um but so then when we started uh on east east coast 4 p.m

i was like you know what that means oh thank god vino and so before you go any further i'm gonna need to fill up a wine glass because i have not been drinking much at all lately um i know everybody but i'm exploring my thc world and so the drinking has been at a minimum lately so i i'd like to now partake as is the tradition of this show thank you finally, finally. Well, to answer your question, it was out of control. I'm actually so upset. I kind of, like, I haven't had time today to cry, but I will later. Oh, Em.

Because, so, I already came in hot today knowing that I was going to tell you I drank because this was, like, a garbage procedure. Like, so... So you already had the procedure? i already had one of what i thought was two but it is one of four oh it was i okay i gotta say if you're someone who has this procedure apparently the pain range is like do you want to say before. Do you want to say what it is? Just in case people are like, do I have that procedure? I got a vein ablation.

I thought I got a vein ablation and phlebectomy, but apparently the phlebectomy is done separately. The fuck is that? So I have varicose veins. Thank you, Gammy, for everything wrong with me. Aw, Gammy. Including the varicose veins. For everything

wrong with me. Wow. she's the reason for my heart she's really she said peace out your turn to carry all this trash so um so uh i had varicose veins that were like i know it was more cosmetic than anything uh i guess like they don't actually do anything too damaging to you but mine were already so gnarly at 30 that the doctors were like get ahead of it right they were like technically yes it's cosmetic but also like yours is already so advanced that by the time you would want to get this removed later it will be permanent and also like the veins it might spread to deeper veins and then it's a real fucking problem oh shit so it like

half that's fair yeah if it was just cosmetic based on the pain i would just let my other leg look like trash for the rest of my life yeah but apparently it sounds like it leads to worse things later and since it's already bad i might as well just do it oh christine it literally okay the way that the doctor just i I will say the pain, some people, if you ever have this, I can't tell you what the pain's going to be because apparently some people sleep through it like a little baby. They said that someone this week was snoring through it. And you're not, by the way, snoring because they chose to fall asleep during the surgery. Right, not sedated.

Like if you could be sedated, you know I would have been sedated. But yeah, apparently some girl just like took a little fucking napsicle during hers. And me, on the other hand, the way they described it is I looked like Bruce Banner becoming the Hulk for the first time. Oh, no. Em, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. It was like the, like, it was, I mean, there were three people there.

One of them was there to hold me down one of them her whole job was just to like pet my shoulder so my brain would be distracted with something else my god by the way didn't work and i was trying so hard to keep us together i know yes i'm like a drama queen we know this but like at doctor's places where people don't know me i really try to like you do hold it together typically and this was this was truly uncontrollable i was like tears pouring out of my eyes screaming squirming screaming oh no writhing because also it's not just like a shot of like novocaine in your face and then like your gums no i was gonna ask is there any pain management or no they and give you anesthetic but first of all i have a sensitivity again thanks gammy after all my heart

shit i didn't have this before but i don't know if it's long covet or what but because of my heart issues i now have a sensitivity to epinephrine which means that um which is usually in a lot of numbing medications and so they have a different one without epinephrine but it lasts only half the time oh good so they have to basically i'm for the rest of time now have to sign up for double shots because they have to halfway through give me more when i start feeling pain um so on top of that it wasn't just one shot it was my whole ass leg and in case anyone's met me in real life i'm six feet tarantula legs i'm six feet and my legs are five of that so five of the feet yes the rest of me is like a little box um i can't deal so

they had to give me shots all through my legs and And it wasn't just, oh, my God. So I didn't know. I didn't know it was actually. I thought today was just like a consultation. No, that was last time. Yesterday was the first round of four now. Great. So not only that, but I'm incredibly ticklish on my legs.

So now the part that on any given day I want to constrict and don't let anyone touch the ticklish on my legs. So now the part that on any given day, I want to like, like, you know, constrict and don't let anyone touch the ticklish part of me. That's the part that they have to stab with needles. So imagine like a needle going into your armpit or like at the bottom of your foot, but it's behind your knee. And also when you're growing,

like where your leg and your crotch attach. No, no, no, you know, I can't do veins. We're already pushing it here. Well, so they had to give me a shot just to numb me.

But the shot, I mean, imagine getting pinched and stabbed with a needle in the most sensitive spot possible. And then, okay, apparently the surgery itself isn't what hurts. They even said like 80% of the problem you're gonna experience today. They were like, we can't tell you how you're gonna react spoiler alert it was not good but um the i don't know what it is if you work in this

field can you explain it to me but the anesthesia that they give you is the pain is the pain it was so painful it was i don't it took my breath away and like it had to happen in your leg it hurt i don't know if they like had like the needle and then they like injected it because they were able to somehow tell me okay here comes the anesthetic so was it like burning knives fire everything it was so painful and it doesn't just happen once it happened at least 10 times because they had to numb so many portions of my leg so every time they got a new part of my leg they had to go okay like get ready for another round of this it was i mean like i can't just thinking about it is getting me all fucking hot and sweaty and the fact that i have to do that three more goddamn times i'm gonna cry

that's the worst part i'm i it's it's truly like it i remember thinking because there was one point and not only that but mid-surgery because it was on i had two veins in the leg that had to be handled and so one of them i have to be on my back and the other i have to be on my tummy and so halfway through the surgery in incredible pain they're like flip around girl and so are you serious they made you flip and they had the home girl who was holding me down the whole time she i mean god bless her and she was this tiny little thing i was like i'm gonna you're gonna fly across the wall like across the room in a second christine it was so painful that i'm kind of wondering if i should just not do any other procedure ever again i'm just so sweaty just even thinking about it. When I was on my back and like they were doing it while I was

like looking up at the ceiling, I remember thinking I feel like this is the closest to like labor I'll ever be in because I was going to say I wonder what the pain comparison is. I was Lamaze breathing like I never have in my life life I was just chanting like this sucks because apparently some people sleep through because it's not even a problem I don't know but I told them I'm such a I told them going in I said put it in my chart that I have a very low tolerance for pain okay but so like what is it about epinephrine that you can't handle like it makes your heart crazy yeah can you just risk it and be like just fucking sedate me or something i i kind of i don't know and it wasn't apparently

either way the anesthetic part oh the anest no they can't trust me i begged trust me i begged and uh but it wasn't like even the epinephrine or whatever. I don't know what it is, but apparently it was like the. I don't know how to describe it. All I know is it was just the most pain and epinephrine or not. It happens. Oh, my God. It was so bad. Oh, it was so bad.

Anyway, not to totally terrify anyone who's getting this done. Jesus Christ. I always wondered why my gammy like never got her varicose veins corrected and now i'm like girl if you heard stories told by people like me i know i always heard that it was bad but i also like like the procedure was bad but i also thought like oh i heard that in like the 90s in 2023 this will be a breeze yeah i don't know how to handle it oh christine i'm so sorry oh my god it's just so beyond and i can't i'm an empath so i'm really struggling right now and my leg i got my very first stitch that was kind of crazy uh oh anyway i don't know why i

said that so excitedly but but one thing that is like the the irony is like the recovery is like totally fine. Like, I feel like I got Charlie horsed. But other than that, I'm good. But it's inconvenient because I have to I have to go on a 15 minute walk every hour. That's so inconvenient. Like from. Oh, OK. Are you going to go away during the show?

No, I'm going to double up after we record. Oh, a half hour walk? I know. Anyway, that's why I drink and it's a very good one. And it will also be the reason probably for the next fucking three weeks because I have to keep doing this. Get ready, folks. Oh my God.

Anyway, I'm ready to never think about it again. Well, I can't wait for all of the updates on the different menagerie of people they bring in to hold you down and restrain you and comfort you they had to put it in my file that i'm like the worst of the worst they're gonna get i can't wait for all the updates seriously um i can't wait for the update when it's like oh you're done you never have to do this again oh me too me too that's the brb i'm gonna go on fucking edible arrangements buy you some fucking berries or something that's the least i could do i would like that um yeah i know you would uh i know i know oh my god all right well anyway i let's get into this i didn't even have

a sip of wine during that i was so overwhelmed i'm sorry um if honestly if i it made me actually think i might really actually drink alcohol and get fucked up just for the next time i have to do that it was so there's better ways like maybe um i was double xanaxed triple propranololed well never mind and that's the amount that i take on stage i don't really want to go further than that but like can't you take so uh not uh uh let me let me list through my little uh apothecary and my mental apothecary um yeah can't you take a uh propranolol and then get the epinephrine so that they oh it's calm maybe but my ironically my heart was totally fine the whole time okay that's good question mark it was every other like survival instinct ignited instead oh god oh my gosh i'm so sorry this sounds

like a nightmare anyway one day i won't have a health problem to come to you guys about i promise it i'm just so scared of of people being in pain you know it's just my least favorite thing and i don't want you to be in pain me either by the way wait tell me when it happens next time maybe i can practice my reiki it happens like every monday for the rest of time apparently so um just seriously let me know when it's starting and i'll practice my reiki on you if it's if you want it if you don't if you're like fuck off then i will you can try in the waiting room where you can hear me screaming i really feel like whoever was in the waiting room had to have gone home like i was absolutely it had to have sounded like a torture chamber in there.

Anyway, I know I obviously had the worst experience. If anyone else is out there that's about to have to deal with this. I so hope that that's not your experience. Let's hope you're the girl who snores everybody. You know what I mean? Like, let's hope everybody else is just like, what are you talking about? Mine was easy. And whoever is like that, be nice to me in the comments.

Don't say like I'd be a baby. No, they better not fuck around like that. I mean, seriously, I don't want any of that nonsense. But let's just hope for everyone else's sake that if they are in that same boat, that they're the ones who will have an easy breezy time, you know? Yeah, I certainly hope so. Also, I've got things in my eye. Oh my God, I've got so many problems today. Oh my God, you're full of problems. Okay oh okay well christine let's talk about one of your

favorite topics let's talk about aliens oh ah yay okay so i don't know if you've heard what's going on in the news recently yes oh well some of it i don't look into it because i always i always like live in like the constant suspicion that you'll cover it. So I don't ever dive deep. Well, you're such an empath. It's like you knew. I know, right? That got me.

Okay, so for those of you who don't know, there has been a whistleblower amongst us recently who is telling us all about some UFO naughty secrets in the government. Naughty, naughty. Our whistleblower, his name is David Grush. And he was a former intelligence officer with like, I think, if not top secret, almost top secret clearance. He was part of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, or the NGA, and he was part of the National Reconnaissance Office, the NRO, which is apparently one of the top five intelligence agencies in the government. Wow. He's also a former member of the Department of Defense's AARO, or the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office.

Oh, my. They love an acronym, don't they? Yes, they sure certainly do. So the DOD's AARO. Okay. Sometimes they have to make up words because they're like, that already exists. They're like, we can't do the National Reconnaissance Association because that NRA exists. We'll be confused for the other one.

I gotta make it up. I like to think that one NRA and the other NRA would have a little friendly debate, though. Well, I think we know which NRA would win. Don't bring a verbal argument to a gunfight with the NRA. That's what I always say. That's a fair one. with the nra that's what i always say that's a fair that's a fair one uh so they uh when he was part of the aaro what they did they had a program where they investigated and identified uh ufo sightings or as they are called in the government uap sightings for unidentified aerial phenomenon

yes this guy okay so he actually um i'm reading my own fucking notes and seeing that he did have top secret clearance good for me um you guessed it you're psychic not only that but the quote says super super secret top secret intelligence uh this was a quote about him that said that David Grush often handed, no, sorry, often hand-curried, curried, curried, curried. Is this what the guy with the strawberries do? Is that why he's so confused? He's like, I've never curried before.

I'm just going to say hand-delivered. Who the fuck tried to make it fancier? Okay. Hand-delivered. Yeah, there we go. So David, quote, often handid quote often hand delivered super secret top secret intelligence to the west wing of the white house he was trusted with the biggest secrets in the united states and then this is a quote from a different source talking about uh 2017 which uh we discussed this uh shout out to our episode guide if you would like it uh if you go

click listen it's great thank you okay so episodes 122 to 124 so it's a three-parter where i talked about the aatip three-parter i know we We don't get a lot of three-parters. It's not often that we do that. I will tell you, I just listened to one of our three-parters. I re-listened to our QAnon episodes. You did? I've been meaning to, and I'm so afraid. Not afraid, but I'm like, well, that's going to be a big emotional and mental and time

commitment. It's wild that I didn't think there were updates, but I feel like all that information is so old now that like maybe there isn't an update episode. Like we were talking about it. It was so weird to hear us talking about something that was blowing our minds was just so fucking normalized. And now it's like, well, womp womp. Don't you wish it was still so outrageous? Like I'm saying things in there where I'm like they think trump is like their god and i'm like yeah girl like we yeah that's old news now by the way you are so funny in those episodes

what really yeah you really brought it that's nice anyway another three-parter times when i'm under pressure i just like panic and shout anything that comes into my mind which you throw enough at the wall like like something will be funny. You know, it worked. It was funny. Anyway, so if you'd like to go listen to 122 through 124 to catch up on AATIP, which is now again also old news. But this was back in 2017. This is a quote from a source about about it.

This is a quote from a source about about it. When The New York Times and other outlets revealed the existence in 2017 of a covert program at the Pentagon dedicated to cataloging UFOs. This program was known as the AATIP or the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And this all came out of videos that I think the Air Force or naval pilots, they were seeing things in the air and pictures and videos got leaked. And then the Pentagon ended up just like releasing them in 2020 being like, fine, you caught us. And so this is another quote. The Pentagon established after all of this a properly funded, publicly accountable team to investigate reports of UFOs or UAP. And David Grush, this is just a full circle moment from those episodes, David Grush, who we're talking about today, he was part of that team that got created. Okay. But he says that the promised new age of government transparency about UAP was a fallacy.

Bullshit. Yeah, I thought so. I knew it. So I think they created it. Well, they created it for a few reasons. Remember, like a senator, majority lead, like ended up funding like millions of dollars to it? Yeah. And so I think his name was Harry Reid. But I remember that he they were saying like, oh, we're going to be transparent about UFOs now.

But really, Harry Reid, like super duper, like famous, like majority leader of the Senate or something. Mm hmm. Yeah. I just don't remember. He's the UFO guy. He was the one who funded the program to the Pentagon in 2017. But he funded like $20 million or something. Also, if I was wrong about that fact, you guys, I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm literally the worst person at. He was the Senate majority lead at the time.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I feel I'm like, I just said that and then went, that was probably not correct. Okay. But he, I'm trying to remember like the pieces of that story, but I feel like the government was telling us like, oh, it's going to be all about transparency about UFOs. But really they kind of, I think in like private sectors were more like, oh, we're just going to let people report things more openly so we can learn about like foreign, like adversary nations. And they're, okay.

I think they were like kind of, there was two sides to this coin. Yeah, I'm not surprised, I guess. And now from David Gresh, we're learning that that is absolutely true. He said he was part of the team. And this is a quote from him. There are many videos,

like basically saying like, if this, if we were all about transparency, then this is a quote from him. There are many videos that are totally fair to release through a declassification process. I find it very concerning from a transparency perspective that all the department has that the, that the department has all these declassifieds uh and yet only three famous videos were ever shown um there are more concerning videos that left me with a lot of questions that nobody has seen vicious yeah so david was also a representative and an analyst an analyst co-lead so i guess he was like one of the bigger analysts of the group and a representative to the UAP task force, which apparently there's a UAP task force. I love that. From 2019 to 2021, that was his job. The UAP task force investigates UAP sightings and reports. UAP sightings and reports and he when he joined the task force he learned that not only was he like now in a program within a program but there was another program that even the task force in

general didn't have access to oh so it's like how fucking deep down this rabbit hole do I gotta go yeah so he tried to join the task force he was but they wouldn't give him access and he over time learned that the program was a broad crash retrieval program which quote retrieved non-human origin technical vehicles which he says you could call spacecraft if you will but they were non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed. Ah! So the more secret group was like the retrieval team.

Uh-huh. So that's like SEAL 6, SEAL Team 6. Yeah. Like they're like the ones that even the like crazy famous or crazy like high up people don't even know who went in to get Saddam Hussein. I'm saying a lot of things about the world that I don't understand. You're just shouting, in to get Saddam Hussein. I'm saying a lot of things about the world that I don't understand. You're just shouting Harry Reid, Saddam Hussein. I'm saying it all wrong, but you know what? Maybe this is just the new me. I just say things

on a podcast. Oh, that's the new thing? That's the new me and they're incorrect. Oh, wait, nevermind. That's the whole premise of the show. Okay, go on. I think it's because I told you you were funny and you went, now I'm going to ride that high. No, I went, I guess I got to swing the other way and try to be fucking intellectual. Like, that's never going to fucking work. What's so wrong with me? Well, so he basically, by finding that out, by the way, and by saying that alone to us, he is admitting there is a program in the government where all we do is retrieve spaceships like exactly so like come on people that sentence alone should tell

you like whistleblower yes 10 out of 10 amen so he wanted access to this group because don't we all yeah and he ended up getting really apparently intense pushback. We don't know what that pushback looked like. He is keeping that private for now. Oh. But he ended up reporting it to Congress. And he went to Congress and he goes to this guy who's called the Intelligence Community Inspector General. Okay.

Oh, dear Lord. Okay. I would love for him to introduce himself at a bar to me and I'd go, okay, great. I'd be like, I fell asleep after the first word. What was that? But then he'd say he knows where spaceships are and I'd be like, oh, my God, let me buy you a drink. Yeah, he'd suddenly be very interested. So he goes to congress he goes to this inspector general and he tells them

this you know i'm getting pushback from this program and this is kind of confusing to me because for all the sources i looked through which by the way was a lot i'm still very confused on like how much he could say to them about top secret things when he had a higher clearance than them i feel like it's like he was reporting like what was he allowed to say and what wasn't he allowed to say and i kind of answer that in here to the best of my ability but i'm even i'm still unsure okay um but it is weird to like to go to a what's the opposite of a higher up? A lower down? I don't know. And then be like.

I mean, literally, yeah. And be like, I can't. A subordinate. A subordinate. And be like, I can't tell you what's going on, but they're being mean to me. And you have to trust me on that. Oh, wait, that's true. So, wow.

You know? Yeah, that is weird. Because not everyone in Congress. I couldn't totally get it until now. Not everyone in Congress has top, top secret clearance. Right. But he had to be like, I need to tell you what's going on. Because also what he was going to tell them is that there's the whistleblowing.

Breaking the confidentiality. How far into the I'm telling you classified information can you go before it's too much? the i'm telling you classified information can you go before it's too much like because i mean he already i i'm telling you now publicly what he's already said which now congress also has to know that like we're collecting spaceships aka aliens are real yeah but and then he's like but forget about that they were really mean to me and the people are like wait go rewind please what yeah i don't totally know what he because he also said he wasn't going to announce what the pushback was so i don't know what he's able to tell them yes it sounds like he's like andy bernard trying to get into the finer things club and like michael scott isn't helping him

that's i think that's the same kind of thing it's like why would you let me in the club i'm pretty sure that's it so i don't know if he was reporting them that like he was getting, I mean, he was reporting that he was getting pushed back. The official complaint was that he was getting pushed back, but it also feels like this was an excellent moment, which he took to tattletale that like, oh,

and by the way, the program they won't let me into is also about. Yes. Spaceships. So I'm kind of confused on like, what was the bigger point he was trying to tell them you know yeah or was were they was he just mad that he wouldn't get in to the program and then they were like well we need to know what program it was to go talk to

them and he was like i can't say like i don't know how it went um but he did say eventually quite a lot and uh he told them some classified information, especially the intelligence community inspector general, because that guy actually had a level of clearance he could go to him about. OK. So he ended up saying there are deeply. This is what he was telling them and what is now being whistleblown to us. So this is some new information for everybody. but is now being whistleblown to us. So this is some new information for everybody.

He eventually said there are deeply covert programs that have recovered spacecraft intact. These are all quotes intact and partially intact crafts of non-human origin. Crafts of non-human origin. Which like what a fancy way to say that, you know after centuries of us wondering he should have just been like that's a motherfucking spaceship like like way to keep composure during this i love it then he said that this information was illegally being withheld from congress and so now he's going to them to talk about it uh because the they were being intentionally sheltered from this information about these human non-origin spaceships they were being withheld from congressional oversight by the programs responsible because i guess these

secret programs were trying to figure out if they could reverse engineer the machines themselves and make them part of our own military technology. Okay, I see. And then this is another quote from him saying that these UFO, I guess are called legacy programs, the way that they were hiding in plain sight, as we said, like how far do the layers go? He explained that what he was aware of is that these UFO legacy programs have long been concealed within multiple agencies nesting activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities. So they're hiding them. They're hiding them like a program within a program within a department within a program. That is sneaky because it's the government.

You know nobody's going to fucking figure it out for years. Like just dig through all that. Well, think of the acronyms you have to get through. Oh, start running out of letters. Yeah. So he also, so he ended up filing an official complaint alleging that he suffered retaliation for disclosing, which, again, is vague. But that was apparently intentional. And what I think is interesting about this is one of the reasons he didn't get in trouble for coming out about this stuff, because you would think you're literally telling people some really intense fucking secrets right now.

Like, I feel like I watch you gotta go i watch scandal like people get killed well so this is a reason why he is protected is because uh david he was part of the a a ro okay okay and that group uh their whole job was like working with UAP cases. And under President Biden, who just signed this into law in like December, they, quote, prepared many briefs on unidentified aerial phenomena for Congress while in government and helped draft the language on what a UAP is for the National Defense Authorization Act. And part of this provision is that it states that any person with relevant UAP information can inform Congress without retaliation, regardless of any previous nondisclosure agreements. So even if you signed government NDAs, you can go to Congress if you're hearing about

something that is, I don't know know I don't know how that's possible or how that's legal but apparently it is I feel like that's uh now again I'm gonna sound like a dummy but um like um what do you call it when they balance checks and balances where it's like we have to have provisions in place so that like the government doesn't just like do exactly what it's been doing you do exactly what it always does every day but like in technicality wise there are supposed to be provisions that that allow for you know the people so to speak to like make sure they're being i don't know treated fairly and that people aren't hiding shit so i can see why that would be like i didn't know, treated fairly and that people aren't hiding shit.

So I can see why that would be like, I didn't know that existed, but it makes sense. Well, you nailed it because a lot of sources were saying this is a way for us to handle checks and balances. And another source. I took seventh grade history or something. And a source, another source said it is to encourage potential witnesses to come forward. And the whistleblower legislation forbids any federal employee from retaliating against anyone providing authorized disclosure. and people get pushed in front of trains and shit i'm like you know even though they're like oh it it's illegal to do any to retaliate it's like well i don't know there's sneaky people out there who might call somebody and have you taken care of but again that's just look at our country i mean there's technically checks and balances but right look at the last i don't know seven years seven thousand oh just seven oh i'm i'm i'm channeling in on trump but yes you're right uh but yeah checks and balances i get

your point usually it does exist with good intentions and then people still like get around it just goes out of control right and i wonder if they thought like oh well how many people are really gonna have like information Congress wouldn't already know? Like crazy amounts of, yes, secret information. Right. Maybe they thought they could get away with it or maybe they thought people with top secret clearance like would like have some sort of like code where they like there is an understood thing where they wouldn't say anything. I don't know. anything i don't know anyway because the i think he already knew that information and he didn't even really plan on saying anything until he got retaliation when questioning about this program

that he wanted to join and so because of a law that he helped write in that says like you cannot get retaliation for information on this or whatever. That was why he filed the complaint. Cause he was like, I know, I know better than anyone that like, I shouldn't be getting retaliated on for this. Retaliate on me. So the complaint was filed and thus began an official investigation where

David has now been having very private conversations with intelligence committees. And here are some of the problems with his story, though, because, well. Let me tell you how I'm trying to remember how I wrote the notes, and I feel like. I'm going to trust my gut. I wrote it a certain way. I'm going to keep it that way. So it's like a fun gamble.

I know because my gut's never right. At least yours isn't filled with ulcers but um that wasn't even funny sorry oh my god are we in the q and i episodes again i feel like i had half a glass of wine and i'm like we i'm a little crazy today well so uh one of the problems with him talking to Congress and now having these interviews done, because now that he is officially a whistleblower, they're looking for evidence. And one of the main issues is that he couldn't actually fully be straightforward with congressional staffers because they didn't have the same clearance he did, which we already talked about. So, OK, right. So maybe that's why people weren't upset about this being signed into law, because they were like, well, you can't even tell them anyway. Yeah, that's, that, yeah, I'm getting it.

I'm catching on. So another problem that he had, though, is that David gave Congress hundreds of pages worth of transcriptions of, like, classified information to, like, show his case. But he never had any like physical evidence of any of this so it was all conjecture it was just paperwork like he could have typed it up himself yeah gotcha um he didn't like bring in a spacecraft you know what uh why and he wasn't invited to the fucking group they could smell it on him they're like you're gonna fucking rat us out as for the intel that he did have outside of

that one program and i mean he was already a top secret clearance he still knew shit that was worth telling he's such a top he definitely does not use the bottom bunk if you know what i'm saying i'm i'm fucking not i know i know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Okay. As for the intel that he did have, David says that he knows multiple levels of UAP operations and the people involved that are also classified. And like that is equally juicy information as far as I'm concerned. Right. concerned right he said some of them had even uh some of these people had even approached him on their own with concerns they had about the program and it's illegal wrongdoings oh so he's getting a little group here and so he said he told congress it's not just me that like has this information there are multiple people there are locations that we've gone to there are things that

we've discussed it's all classified and i can't reveal all this information to you but i can i can give it to the inspector general and so he was able to list more details of the names and spaces instead of just saying i have names and spaces and uh some people in these programs even went to the inspector general after he did and confirmed a lot of what david was talking about because i was gonna say were they like uh leave me out of it but they not only there weren't too many but there were there were more than one like there was at least a couple people who were willing to come forward and so now i'm going to tell you what david what like the craziest things we're now learning about that he whistle blew on yes so david said that we have

quite a few crafts um a different anonymous source who did not want to be named spoke to some uh like a journalist who said that we have somewhere near a dozen crafts oh that like have been retrieved that have been retrieved oh boy uh david also said there is a private aerospace company working with the program and that's where the alien crafts are being stored whoa this one company agreed to be where they store their aircrafts holy shit david also said that the u.s has been competing with other countries for 80 years to understand ufo technology and to advance our own technology with it so So exploiting the crafts. Okay. David also said that the crafts are made out of things that are not of our planet.

He said this is based on the very specific properties that he was briefed on, including isotopic ratios that have to be engineered for it to be at those levels. He also said that it's just extremely strange. There are heavy atomic metals high up in the periodic table and arrangements that we don't understand. You know what the emergent properties are, but there is just a very strange mix of elements. Wow. Not only that, David also said that a lot of these crafts are the size of football fields. And then my personal favorite part to this is not only do we have crafts he said that we have bodies i knew it on earth there are aliens on earth currently knew it fucking knew it he said

this is a quote from him well i'm so wigged out i feel like they're like listening you know what i mean well he this is a quote from him naturally when you recover something that's either landed or crashed sometimes you encounter dead pilots naturally it happens to us naturally he said that he has seen some interesting photos and read some very interesting reports and he was just gonna leave it at that oh my god i love that they're trying to be like oh they're trying to reverse engineer these spacecraft to make sure we have the highest technology. I'm like, well, these fucking spacecraft crashed and killed the pilots. So I don't know that we're trying, like, why are you trying to recreate this exact, I guess maybe just to see what the isotope ratio is or whatever the fuck you said earlier you know i i grew up in dc and it was very normal for nobody to know what their parents did for a living because everyone did something with a clearance and they couldn't and it was just normal like oh what do your parents do oh my mom does

this for the government yeah work for the government or you would just straight up openly say i don't know what they do and they're not allowed to tell me and it was just very normal so all of a sudden our parents were spies and uh what it was is after all this time unfortunately i did not have get to say the cool phrase of i don't know what my mom does i knew my mom but i there were friends that i grew up with my whole life where we would be like oh your dad's obviously a spy oh your mom's a spy ha like we all know ha ha and then like eventually i feel like we grew up and some of them probably like are gonna retire soon and be like by the way i was a fucking spy but yeah we'll never know anyway well we might know i don't know not yet not yet but uh imagine if they could say my dad's a whistleblower that's what my dad does

you don't get a chance to say it because you're packing your bags. Oh, true. But, you know, imagine being one of those kids in D.C. or some other, like near Roswell, I'm sure there's kids who grew up with that. And they just had to say, oh, I don't know what my mom does for a living. And someone, someone has a kid that's been saying that at school and they go to work and literally probably operate on these dead alien bodies oh my god and they're like what do i tell my friends that you do and they're like i can't even come up with anything just say i don't know yeah like they can't even come up with a better

lie like i had one friend who always said her dad always said oh i work for the government i work for the government and then we grew up and found out that like yeah he worked at the pentagon but he had like the most boring job there possible like once he retired he was like i was an accountant but i couldn't say that because it was like the clients or something but like there is someone sound cool no i'm just kidding right but there is someone out there who was like at he's like cooking dinner having to keep in their own head i operated on an alien or i collected a spacecraft today i just wonder yeah they're like making spaghetti bolognese and their hands are glowing green and they're like

i'm just an accountant that's all don't worry about it actually that would be the best twist is like even when you retire you're still like sworn because it. Actually, that would be the best twist is like even when you retire, you're still like sworn because it was so intense. That would be terrible. So do I have a second alias? I hope on your deathbed you get to say it or like through a Ouija board or something. That should be one of our listeners episodes. Did anyone on their deathbed, did any of our grandparents admit?

Great idea. Anyway, there you go. Okay. Did anybody, any deathbed conf confessions that would be such a good listeners episode did you ever have dinner and your dad's hands were glowing and you didn't know why or that those two things he said that there david said that there were bodies. He saw interesting photos and read interesting reports. He also said, kind of half vaguely, that the government, as you said earlier, would kill people to keep the secret. Okay.

He said. It's not just TV. It's real. Okay, great. He said, at the very least, i saw substantive evidence that white collar crime was committed unfortunately i've heard some really un-american things i don't wish to repeat right now oh boy oh boy oh she's like oh my goodness okay oh my my um and then the last thing that he really said was during an interview with News Nation Now.

And David said, I think the logical fallacy is because they're advanced, they're kind. We'll never really understand their full intent. And that's because we're not them. But I think what appears to me malevolent activity has happened. That's based on that's based on nuclear site probing activities and witness testimony when asked if human beings have been injured or killed by non-human intelligence uh grush avoided getting into details he said while i can't get into the specifics because that would reveal certain u.s classified. I was briefed by a few individuals on the program

that there were malevolent events like that. So that's a yes. So that's a fucking yes. So yeah. Many people also say that even though all of this sounds real crazy, David is worth trusting. Many of his like very senior officer cohorts have called him beyond reproach and having the strongest possible moral compass. And a lot of people still back him. But there is some like obvious skepticism. The main one being that this all this information first came out in an article on the debrief.com okay and according to vanity fair the original article was originally passed to um the by politico the new york times the washington post and all of them said they

didn't want the article um now some people could go back and say like oh that's because they didn't want to reveal the truth and get in trouble or something but a lot there were each of them had different valid reasons for why they didn't want to release it one of them was like they felt rushed to publish it at a certain amount of time before they could like really research and make sure all their facts were right like there was some of it felt a little odd and so they just kept passing on it and eventually it went to the debrief which happens to be a ufo friendly publication but ufo friendly i didn't know that was a classification but i love it i think it's like oh well they're not not world weekly world news but you know they're not new york times

either right right right but the article was written by two very like renowned writers one of them has spent almost 50 years at the new york times his name was ralph blumenthal and then the other author was leslie keen who is an investigative science journalist who has written about ufos before and the two of them both collaborated on the 2017 report that leaked the videos that led to the AATIP. Oh, OK. So one of the other problems outside of it being passed on by credible sources is that David and all of his quotes, even if he really has seen all of the stuff he's only seen things or heard things and uh it just doesn't feel like he has any physical evidence he can offer anybody but then again even if he could talk about it they would just say oh well it's too classified to even hear

anyway so like right there's a back and forth on on like do we really just trust this random guy but he has incredibly high top secret clearance and people who are backing him. And like, why would he do this to risk his job and potentially his life? Well, that's a great point. So other people say other people say for him to just go to Congress, you don't just get to lie to Congress. Like, right. Especially about something so intense. They kind of frown upon that, I think. It is illegal. And also like. And like something so intense upon that i think it is illegal and

also like i'm like they frown upon it uh but like the fact that he would go to congress risk his like clearance his job his pension his friends like his family's safety and well-being like yeah like there's no reason to just go up and make a lie when like everything would be threatened especially about something that big where you could be like killed for all you know about it yeah um but there have been some senior officers that have openly backed david uh one of them who also has top clearance his name was jonathan gray but the uh problem with that is that jonathan gray was apparently his alias because he wanted to be anonymous and so now we don't know who he was

and now it's just like it could be any random person saying i defend him plus uh all of his quotes said that he had heard of classified briefings not that he'd actually seen a fucking alien or a spaceship so it was still vague um and since he also never heard or saw anything personally and his name was shady it just all feels kind of shady plus david's vague uh retaliation statement makes that hard to define because he won't talk about it and even if he could it's from classified programs that don't want to get involved so they would probably just not say anything so it's a lot of you know guess yourself what you think the truth is interestingly only four days after whistleblowing david's attorneys publicly ended their relationship with him uh-oh and so that could be shady in a few ways it could

be like oh well did the government pay them off to like keep him from having a defense and like so i it again or did they realize like on the other hand like playing devil's advocate is it like oh they realized he was not oh yeah trustworthy and they were like never mind you know it's like how you can't even argue one way or the other because it like could be a lot of things that they dropped him for they put out a press release but to me it felt kind of not clear it just said the whistleblower disclosure did not speak to the specifics of the classified information like it was like a bunch of like words over words mumbo jumbo. Yeah. And

they said the substance of that information has always been outside the scope of our firm's representation. So it's just like, oh, well, we don't maybe it's that they didn't have enough classified information that they could even know what was going on to help him. I don't know. But David ended up leaving the government in April after all of this to, quote, advance government accountability through his public awareness. And he is willing to speak to anyone in Washington who has the clearance to hear the classified information. So he's like, I'm going to fucking keep my mouth open.

I'm telling people if they're willing to listen. Good for him. And as long as they have the clearance. And meanwhile, the House Intelligence Committee is being questioned and the House Oversight Committee is going to be investigated. The date TBA. And of course, the Pentagon has made a statement saying that the claims are unsubstantiated and the AARO has not had any evidence that alien life is real. Yeah. Well, of course they say that.

Anyway, that is our topical government whistleblower. I gotta say... They're lying. Well, yeah, I agree. Allegedly. Allegedly. Oh, Em, I, like, it drives me crazy because it's like i feel like there's so much coming out and then there's still people who are like oh no that's crazy that you would believe in

extraterrestrials and i'm like i feel like it's crazy to not believe that but i do too what do i know you know lest we look back at that episode where i cover the fermi paradox like it's crazy to not believe that. I do too. What do I know, you know? Lest we look back at that episode where I covered the Fermi Paradox, where it's like... Oh, exactly. Statistically, us being alone is so small. But then the point of the paradox, which also throws me big time for a loop, which when you covered that episode, I feel like it blew my mind. I still tell people about the Fermi Paradox. me big time for a loop which when you covered that episode i feel like it like blew my mind i still

tell people about the fermi paradox um because then where are they and it's like it's like the whole point of the paradox is like obviously there must be more out there but where the fuck are they sometimes i just have to pretend to myself to like you know how they say dogs can't like see the color green or something it's like they just don't have the sense for it i just have to pretend to myself that like you know how they say dogs can't like see the color green or something it's like they just don't have the sense for it i just have to tell myself like we just can't see it i think that a lot it's like we just don't understand a certain layer of reality or like we just can't access a certain dimension or it's something beyond our scope of understanding it's kind of like ghosts because uh i heard somebody say that uh

when someone dies like it was their way of handling grief of like oh when someone dies it's not that they're gone you just lose like a couple senses like they're still there but like all of a sudden you can't see them or hear them but they're still chilling and i mean dogs and cats and animals clearly have those senses because they see shit they're looking at corners and looking around the room so but i but i feel like that with aliens too where i'm like well if it can happen with ghosts it can happen with aliens i just feel like maybe i'm grateful that i don't have that sense because if i could i'd be screaming my head off every five seconds that's a totally good point because it's like well i want to know but like do i hmm maybe i just want to like put conjecture out there and just bullshit and and

hope i never really find out i don't know um before we tell your story can i show you something yes always i think you're gonna like it hang on i'm trying to set it up is this part of the show yeah well i mean it's about to be okay i didn't know if you wanted jack to cut oh no no like it's part of like other people can know about it i just wanted to brag about allison really quick oh this was uh my birthday gift i wish i knew i wish i knew the name i'm sorry geo has been gone for like a week because because i've been traveling and i haven't seen him until now oh he's just looking for food on the floor come here wow he literally didn't care about you the whole time zero percent come here well to be fair i dropped him off and didn't pick him up for a week come here oh what a puppy he's literally looking for food he gives zero shits about me great what an asshole come here

there he is come here oh it's a baby here's my baby no wonder he doesn't want to participate i miss him so much he's my favorite napping buddy. It's a fuzzy little face. Hi, Gio. Look, he's under his own portrait. Do you have fun at Derek's house? That's his dog sitter.

Derek. Yeah, Derek. It's so funny. He sends the best photos. Hi. Okay. Anyway, I'm so sorry. Let's brag about your girlfriend.

No, trust me. Gio is always number one. Okay. I wanted to show you something that I think I really like. I wish I knew the name. Allison can probably tell you the name, but it was an Etsy shop. And because I love, first of all, little things, little trinkets. Yes, you doets and i love an apothecary she got on etsy a little apothecary shelf that is things are falling but there's like

there's also things in the drawers and like do you see that and like yeah i'm trying not to talk so the camera stays on you oh okay well okay. Well, here, there's little things in the drawers. And then my favorite thing, there's like a little Ouija board and all the jars. And they all move so I can play with them. It's like your own little dollhouse. I know. Your spooky dollhouse. My favorite part is one of the books on the shelf.

You ready? Yeah. No. It's us. it's us i almost jokingly said it's not our book is it as a joke and then it was our book i wish it would focus better is there like a do the like oh yeah, yeah. Oh, there. OK, so here's us. This is our little bookie. And she's cute. She's cute. Anyway.

It makes me so thrilled because it means I made it into your little dollhouse. It's like it's like we got trapped in there or something, but we've got a whole second life. Anyway, I I just it's sitting right here and I forgot to show it to you last week. Such a cute little gifty. I love it. So now I can play with it whenever I want. And I've got a teeny book and I got the big book. Oh, my gosh.

Anyway, it's a good time. Let me know if you want me to sign it. OK. Anyway, I didn't mean to steal from the show, but I thought people might also enjoy that. Oh, it's so cute. um anyway i didn't mean to steal from the show but i i thought people might also enjoy that oh it's so cute if we post a picture of it or something on the instagram i'll get the etsy person yes great idea do so do they make custom ones or was that just like i made the book separately no they also made our book very exciting stuff a cute idea anyway uh didn't mean to steal from our regular stuff but also we

got a geo situation we got the bookshelf geo is being very um up in my business but i guess i asked him for that he's so sweet he's um at all it's also weird because he smells like someone else's house you know it's like he's cheating on you yeah it feels a little bit like i'm like where's that perfume on your collar from derrick where's perfume okay no maybe i don't know maybe um okay okay she was over it bye um bye gg all right should i tell you a story yeah okay also i don't think i've shown you my like little lap desk that i have it's my little cool like western you know how i love cowboys and cowboy ghosts i bought you are i know you've always liked cowboys but you are going through like a new

I bought this little. I know you've always liked cowboys, but you are going through like a new style phase recently. It is. And I think it's just like to like experiment, you know. I think it makes sense because you've always been a cactus girly. And like, so that's I think it's an easy transition. That's true. Yeah. And I like kind of cacti.

Yeah. I was like, what do I like? Yeah. Cactus. That's it. All right. right you nailed it i can't think of anything else um i don't know there's something about it i just uh it just spoke to me you know oh um hmm the story doozy yeah and i don't know if it's just me. I mean, I'm sure it's not just me, but for some reason, this one, like, I was like, oh, this will be an interesting case. And then it was so, it like really screwed me up for a little bit. Oh, really? More than normal?

Yeah. Was there anything new to it or were you just in a particular mood? new to it or were you just in a particular mood that's a good question there there is definitely quite a twist that from an outside perspective looks very like whoa that's fascinating and horrible obviously but then when i started researching it and like watching videos on it i was like this is just making me really sad so you know i'm not sure um i'm gonna refill my wine before i tell you and i i i just you know obviously this doesn't need to be said but i'll say it anyway that like all our stories are all my stories at least for the most part are very sad um and often like very fucked up and i never want to compare and contrast them in that way or rank them so to speak but

sometimes they just hit me different you know um but this is the story of ryan waller and okay i'm feeling like probably you don't know this because i didn't know it is that true i definitely don't know who ryan waller is okay so because I never know what you just accidentally stumbled upon on like one of your rabbit holes one night, which is always a pleasant surprise when you're like, I know about this. And I'm like, you probably know more than I do. Look, after the Duggars, I think I've officially checked out on ever being helpful again. You knew the Jared Fogle too a bit. Like you knew stuff about that too.

Oh, that's true. That's true that's true oh and since we just brought both those up and i literally said if this comes up in this episode i'll mention otherwise it'll be next episode i'll just throw it out there now that um eva and our social media uh manager megan pointed out a really uh interesting thing which is that a lot of our listeners or some of our listeners who are more, you know, I guess aware of like updated terminology, that kind of thing, mentioned that the phrase child pornography is a phrase we're trying to get away from. And I know I use that probably quite a bit in both. Both.

Yeah. Yeah. The Jared Fogle and the duggars and so i just want to point out and i didn't i wasn't aware of this and so thank you to everybody who apparently very kindly like just let us know um and you didn't know either right is this new to both i had no idea yeah yeah i didn't either i don't know maybe even knew but i wasn't aware but apparently and it makes total sense like the second eve explained it i was like well duh because pornography is a consensual like act form of film or like a yeah exactly and so you obviously can't have child pornography um and so the phrase i guess is child

abuse imagery is the phrase that that's kind of uh more accurate so you know apologies for for saying that incorrectly but you know we're all learning together fun fact for all of us to learn now right maybe not fun but a fact it's i mean to be honest it's the most fun fact fun fact of all our fun facts because like none of our fun facts are fun and the whole point is they're fucked up so it actually really nails it. It's certainly a topical fact for us since we'll probably unfortunately be talking about it in the future. It's very relevant. And I feel like like on a platform like this, I feel so fortunate that I get to learn things like this and then share them with people because I imagine a lot of people out there haven't thought twice about it you know i

we are very lucky that we have microphones and get to scream things as soon as we learn them into the into the void so like harry reed former president who also like hand couriered uh al-qaeda to saddam or whatever yeah you know um all the intelligent things we say but yeah just an FYI since both of those episodes just got brought up but that is not relevant for my story today the Ryan Waller case I'm just gonna get into it um it's been a couple days since I really went through these notes I hope it doesn't like fuck me up again the same way maybe i was just really tired i don't know drink some wine you let me on it thank you the whole point of the show and that's why we drink we drink because literally escaping the situation escapism that's what i'm doing

so ryan waller he was born february of 1988 and grew up slightly north of phoenix arizona he had a knack for music he taught himself guitar he was one of those people i know a couple of them who could hear a song and then just like play it oh what a skill to be that person like i would give so much because the amount 15 16 years of piano lessons i can barely play like row row your boat like it's just ridiculous it is such a i mean talk about like a bar trick or party trick in general or a tiktok trend like i remember that dad who could do that yeah girl who would like post her dad doing i was always just so amazed and i had a friend who could do that and it drove me crazy because i'm like what who's your piano teacher she's like i don't take piano lessons and I was like I'm gonna kill you it's like don't

gatekeep me please yeah let's just like back the fuck off you know what I mean I know you're gonna be a TikTok star one day okay yeah and also if you're trying to be a TikTok star and you have that skill there's your fucking skill fucking go for it because I'll watch it all day every day yeah um so he wanted to pursue music after high school he was really big into music very talented and uh now fast forward to 2006 Ryan is 18 years old he's living in Phoenix Arizona with his girlfriend Heather Kwan now Heather was born in 1985 she and Ryan had known each other since they were little kids they'd grown up together and at this point heather was 21 and she had graduated from glendale community college and was a pre-law student at arizona state university incidentally where i'm going tomorrow tempe to read one-star

reviews of arizona state and glendale Look it, everyone can do something there. Full circle. So she was a local volunteer with Big Brothers Big Sisters. And I mean, here's a spoiler. Her obituary later read, I know, from a very young age, Heather seemed to sense when another was hurting and gave her friendship to those who needed it most. She was a strong-willed individual who not only lived life, but loved it. So just like a beautiful soul. And it was sometime around Christmas of 2006. And the date itself, like the specific day, is a little controversial. We're going to get to that. But it was around Christmas of 2006.

Ryan and Heather were at home enjoying the evening when they heard a loud noise at the back door. Okay. I hate that immediately. Everything goes to shit. It turned out to be a man named Richie Carver

and his father, Larry Carver, breaking in through the sliding glass door of the home. If you have a sliding glass door, and I know a lot of you do, fucking put something in there, a big wooden stick or something, so people, even if they break the lock, can't open it. I, yes, but I am also not trying to terrify you, but a lot of sliding glass doors are just glass. If you really wanted to get in.'m sorry what do you mean a sliding glass door couldn't you just kick it through oh yeah but at least in that way everyone would either hear it or you know oh yeah like you have a longer chance of getting away i just don't like a lot of times people can pick those sliding locks and like just sneak on in, you know,

or you can just yank it hard enough or yank it and break the lock. At least put like something there to like keep it. I mean, those doors are pretty fucking solid. And I know some of you are saying I ran through one of those and broke it once because I'm, you know, we've all been there. But at least if you have like something in place, you know. Yeah, you've got at least 30 more seconds of time or something. At least a little bit more awareness if someone's trying to break in.

So they heard a loud noise and it was a man named Richie Carver, his father, Larry Carver. They were breaking in through the sliding glass door. Now, according to police and the media, Richie was Ryan's former roommate. Oh. But that's roommate. Oh. But that's wrong. Oh. Because there is a lot of misinformation that circulated about this case.

Basically what the media did was, which it's so wild to me because you were just talking about how the media was like, I don't know, we don't have enough information about these UFO stories to release a report. Meanwhile, on this story,

they're just taking literal interrogation so they they were watching they they had the clips of the interrogation like footage and they just used that as fact so like they had interrogation videos of police interviewing suspects and they used that as factual information, which is like not it. That's not it. You know, it's possible to report on anything, apparently. Yeah, you could say anything in an interrogation room. That doesn't mean it's a valid fact that the news should be printing. But any in any case, the media use these interviews for information and then published them without confirming or corroborating anything. And anyway, in 2021, there was a channel on YouTube called This Is Monsters.

And they published an hour-long video called Searching for Justice, The Ryan Waller Story. the Ryan Waller story. Now, this documentary, it's basically a YouTube documentary, features interviews with Ryan's father and essentially seeks to clear up misinformation that was spread about the case. And there is a lot of information. A lot of the stuff in these notes came from that video. So if you want like a more visual way to you know learn about this case go check out this is monsters they did a really good job on this case ryan's dad explained that richie and ryan were never roommates in fact the reality was richie the one who was breaking in used to live in that apartment before Ryan and Heather moved in. Oh, okay.

So the previous tenant. Yes, exactly. That's why people probably mix it into roommate. So. No? Yes. Ish. It was said in an interrogation that they were roommates.

I just don't want to give too much away got it okay you've given nothing away i don't know what's going on it was just not i'm sorry it was just not a reliable fact to say they were roommates okay but they were former tenants richie was a former tenant of this apartment okay so richie has a sealed juvenile record stretching back to his early teenage years he'd been arrested for assault armed robbery he served four years in prison for a stabbing and his father Larry had been arrested several times for domestic violence assault weapon misconduct and theft which then makes me a little bit sad because it's like a father son. The father has such a long record, including domestic assault. So, you know, the son grew up with this and is now almost I mean, I was gonna say almost a partner in crime, a literal partner in crime to his father.

Yeah. And so that's kind of a bummer. So once Heather and Ryan had moved into this this place richie was not living there anymore they moved in with their roommate alicia and richie actually visited the apartment twice and he asked if he had any mail that might have been delivered to his old address and they were like no thanks for stopping by so go away go away my guess is he was kind of just scoping out who lived there seeing what they might have had you know he knew the access points

to the apartment he had lived there one night this was before the break-in Ryan and Heather actually caught Richie in their backyard oh ew scoping around snooping casing the joint and guess what he claimed he was looking for the sliding glass door what literally you're never gonna guess it he claimed he was looking for

a four foot long iguana that had escaped when he lived in the house that was like my third guess okay fair i probably should have given you another two chances. You would have gotten it. Yeah. Yeah. He said that there was an iguana that lived there when he was in the house and it had escaped. So he was just looking for his iguana, which is like, you know what?

Go home. Okay. You're full. You're full of shit. Go home. Why are you in the back? Why are you in the backyard like months later go away i can't imagine my pet escaping at a new house and now going to the old house thinking oh maybe it followed my scent all the way to my old home or something yeah and also like put up a fucking

poster outside yeah right why don't you knock on the door and say, have you seen a giant iguana in your backyard? That's mine. Go to your current yard and go, iguana, iguana. Iggy. Yeah. Well, I guess he had a different method. I guess he did. And it didn't work. So that's unfortunate.

Fast forward to now. Richie is breaking into Ryan's house and he has a gun. Oh, shit. Ryan and Heather are just having a relaxing evening right near Christmas. They hear a noise. They get up. They go toward the sliding glass doors to see what's going on. Richie pulls out his gun and shoots Ryan directly in the head.

Oh! Yeah. Oh, I thought Ryan was going to... Okay. Keep going. Okay ryan falls back the two men barge in past him richie turns and shoots ryan in the head a second time to make sure he is dead at this point heather is considered a liability she has witnessed everything in front of her and she is shot and killed as well the men take guitars electronics whatever they can grab and make their getaway and the media also

just like a side note said they that these people stole several guns from ryan but it turns out ryan only had one handgun which was a gift from his grandfather and he had never actually used it and it wasn't even stolen so like that information was also completely incorrect but apparently the neighbors heard nothing which is pretty shocking to me being an apartment and shooting off several bullets but in any case there were no reports of disturbances that came in that day. Ryan and Heather were supposed to go to a family Christmas dinner on the night of Christmas Day, December 25th. But they didn't show up. And that's when Ryan's dad, Don Waller, tried calling Ryan several times, but it kept going to voicemail.

So he's starting to get nervous and he and his wife go to his son Ryan's house. But nobody answers the door. So Don calls the police and says, I need you to conduct a wellness check. I don't know where my son is. He was supposed to see us on Christmas Day and we've been calling, calling. Nobody's picking up. But since it wasn't an emergency, as far as everyone knew, they had to wait for a call back. So Don and his wife went to get coffee

and in the meantime uh alicia the roommate got home oh shit she walked straight to her bedroom and did not even see oh my god ryan or heather oh my god i don't know what the layout of the apartment is but i'm like how did you not notice i know right it's like i i imagine as someone who's very oblivious like i imagine it's just they had run to the sliding glass door maybe in the back and she just went in went to her bedroom and didn't look but whatever the case she just did not notice that they were there. So when Dawn returned, the police called back and said they would be there at midnight. And so Ryan's parents sat in their car and just waited for hours. So all said, it took roughly three to four hours for the wellness check to begin uh from the time that dawn called so police finally arrived and they shined a flashlight into a window and believed they saw a body inside well yeah they did

sure did so legally they could have entered and in my opinion should have entered the home immediately on the suspicion that somebody was either dead or injured but instead they ignored protocol and filed a warrant to enter the home which is like the most jarring thing to me because as someone who lives in kentucky and when the brianna taylor story happened in 2020 where louisville police just like fucking burst into her home and just shot her because and it was the wrong address and now meanwhile it's like they see a body on the ground but they're like well let's call the judge and see if we're allowed to go in and it's like excellent point right it's like where's the fucking whatever anyway so they wait for a warrant to come in and it was another hour before this warrant comes through and then they get a locksmith to come and unlock the door and so when they couldn't get the front door unlocked

they tried another back door and they couldn't get through that door either then they're at the door. They're trying to figure out how to pick the lock and the door opens. It's Ryan. Okay. I know. I know he's supposed to be dead, but this goes back to my... You had a... Yeah. I was like, oh, they're...

Yeah. I was like, they're going to shoot him in the head? I thought he was the main character of the story. Okay. So he's been just... Hang on. So was this that last story you told where he had a head injury and was just walking around covered and Blen didn't know what was going on? Or did he just survive and he was

lying there this whole time? We don't know. How? He couldn't tell us? You see okay hmm so so he's there he answers the door he is alive he's conscious his left eye he has a black eye and his eyes swollen shut and he seemed confused and disoriented and so they they enter the home they find heather she's dead on the couch where she had been presumably lying and or sitting and they shot her they remove ryan from the home and handcuff him put him in the back of a police car

and don is there like wait i was just trying to get a wellness check. Now there's, you know, they're arresting my son. But police will not let him near his son. They said Ryan was fine. He just had a black eye. We're taking him in to. Black eye? He got shot in the head. Twice.

Yeah. He wasn't covered in blood. No. You can't tell me. Okay. I don't believe so. Okay. no you can't tell me okay i don't i don't believe so okay so they put him in the back of the police car and he sits there for nearly four hours paramedics arrived to treat heather but she had been dead for two days after confirming her death paramedics left without ever even examining Ryan, let alone treating him.

He insisted he had been shot in the eye, but nobody would listen to him. And an officer told him if he had been shot in the head, he would be dead. Okay. I already don't like him. I don't like the officer yeah oh certainly not despite his visible injuries uh police transported ryan to the station to be immediately interrogated instead of a hospital and even though they didn't believe ryan's story of being shot they were still legally required to give him medical attention for the visible injuries he had

but they just skipped over that okay so the police yeah yeah it's really bad so the police were sure at this point ryan had killed heather and there was just a black eye from a fight they had gotten into and he was just making some crazy story up about getting shot to like cover up murdering his girlfriend so they took his clothes as evidence and immediately began the questioning and off the bat it was very fucking clear the story makes me so mad that something was seriously wrong because in the interrogation videos which side note once again are the ones the media used to report quote-unquote facts in the interrogation videos ryan is sitting up he has his feet up on the chair he's leading his head in his hand he looks like he's about to In fact, in the interrogation videos, Ryan is sitting up.

He has his feet up on the chair. He's leaning his head in his hand. He looks like he's about to fall asleep and he keeps like holding his own head up like he can't even sit up properly. Oh, my God. This guy got shot all the way through. Twice. Something happened. Twice.

I don't know what it is medically, but I believe a bullet went in and then out of his head. You are correct. Okay. His eye is so bruised and swollen that like if you look at the screen, it looks just like a big black spot. Like that's how bad. Like he doesn't have an eye? Yeah, literally. Like he's been just shot in the fucking eye.

Wouldn't you know? I don't know how you could look someone in the hole where your eye is supposed to be and say you didn't get shot in the eye you're full of shit so in the video this is horrible you can even see a hole where one of the bullets entered through his nose oh oh my god and it's like if we can see this on footage from 2006 presumably the police could fucking see it yeah a pixelated cctv right and see it i'm pretty sure all know those interrogation cameras are shitty let's just go right into this with an a-cab shall we because like i how do you unless like steer me the other direction if i'm on the wrong side of the story but I don't know how you can look at someone

shot and then be like well not even a medical clearance is necessary it's it's such a gross mishandling of this entire situation because even if he had murdered his girlfriend and gotten punched in the eye legally he's required to get medical attention and like that is the farthest thing from what happened but even if they believed oh you asshole you killed your girlfriend you got injured we don't care it's like i i don't know i mean we see it all the time with like people being hurt and then being like oh yo you're fine and then but then we also don't even know for sure that he did it yet it's like i like it'd be one thing i wouldn't even but i it could see them like having some sort of weird like apprehension

to helping him if they knew for sure he was a murderer good point like they don't even know that like this could be for all you know someone who was i don't know a victim of getting shot in the fucking eye attacked right that's a great point. They don't even fucking know. They just think he did it. So it's really disturbing. The footage is really disturbing. Maybe watching it is what fucked me up. I'm not sure, but it's just upsetting. And he seems totally disconnected from the situation, from the surroundings. He's either in shock and like, I'm no doctor, but he's either in shock or just I'm no doctor but he's either in shock or just like has a brain injury from getting shot in the fucking head but for some reason he's totally

disconnected from reality he's confused he's disoriented he's in pain and the detective Paul Dalton began with simple questions like what grade did you complete in school? And Ryan, like, literally couldn't answer. Like, he was so disoriented, he couldn't answer. Disoriented or his brain got shot? Or shot in the head. Right. Exactly.

So he continually made small, confused sounds like grunts and moans. And he would give conflict. Oh, my God. I know. That's heartbreaking. It hurts me yeah okay well now i know why you were so fucked up after the story it made me so upset like physically hurting because you're watching someone who needs help and can be helped and isn't getting desperately desperately like oh it hurts to watch and he kept giving conflicting answers to small questions so like

the detective asked ryan if he had a girlfriend ryan said no when asked if he knew heather and what her last name was ryan said the one who lives there right now i don't know what she's trying to use as her last name like he's just like he's obviously not okay yes he's not okay at all. I don't know what she's trying to use as her last name. That's a string of words, my friend, that you're. It means nothing. It's mumbo jumbo.

It sounds like like that's the equivalent to someone like having a stroke or something. I'm like, yes, just kind of piecing words, just saying things in response that don't actually mean anything that aren't correct. It's like when someone's sleep talking and you're like the things you're saying just don't make sense yeah that's exactly what it is and when he when the officer asked what is heather's age he said 16 or 17 and she's 21 oh well i'm sure that fucking looked great for him yeah right i know so the asked, is she a white girl? And Ryan said yes. But the answer was no.

So like he just is just saying things in response. It's like muscle memory. He's just responding for the sake of responding. When asked what happened to his face, he said, I don't know. Heather must have hit me. Like he just literally at this point doesn't even remember. I can't believe these were used as yes and then these are used as fucking sources yeah like wow wow he says it

was an accident i don't remember why his answers obviously made no sense and he seemed barely awake but the detective kept pressing him and between questions he just kept telling the detective he wanted to go home and go to bed and it was during this interview that some misinformation began to spread so detective walker suggested that richie was ryan's former roommate and ryan said yes because he has a bullet in his fucking head and And he also said, I don't know my girlfriend. And also she's 16. Yes, precisely. Like, this is the information that's being used and publicly shared.

So the detective also said he had heard that Ryan had guns in the house. And Ryan was like, yes. And again, he had the one gifted from his grandfather that he had never used and it wasn't even stolen I looked him up by the way and that eye is incredible it's terrifying that's I don't mean to keep interrupting you but like I know you're not I'm officially on the angry train with you because it's just so sad it's upsetting it's like deeply upsetting so the entire interrogation was barely coherent when detective walker asked ryan what the highest grade he completed in school was he said b like the grade b oh shit yeah okay he's just responding like instead of saying how

did how did nobody hear this and think like this guy's not in his right mind? He sounds like he's at least concussed. Exactly. Great question. So it was hours and hours of questioning. And finally, Ryan started to put some memories together. He told the officer that Richie and Larry Carver had tried to break in and that they had hit him at one point he said they were armed with bows and arrows but then he corrected himself to tell detectives they were revolvers not bows and arrows the detective said so they had revolvers and then what happened and sounding exasperated ryan said, then they shot us both, which is literally what happened. Yeah. So at least he got one thing right eventually. And I wonder if they even used it.

Like he they opened the door and he said, I've been shot. And they're like, get in the fucking police car. Remember, he sat in that police car for four hours before they even interrogated him. I even wonder what would have happened if he died in that car, if the cops would have gotten in trouble well i mean probably not but i we'll get to it so the detective said if you were shot in the eye with a revolver you wouldn't be here right now you'd most likely be dead most likely most likely great likely there's a chance you could be here didn't even think about that great point it's a fucking stupid person to say anything like that but finally this detective started to realize hey something seems off thanks macgyver you really nailed it yeah yeah i know what a fucking i almost said shakespeare what i meant to say was sherlock holmes but you know both apply

so he left the room for a moment and And interestingly enough, when he comes back, he has a friendly, very gentle tone. And he says, oh, I'm going to uncuff you. The fire department is on their way to take a look at you and your injuries. Because clearly somebody said, hey, idiot, if you keep going down this path... He's going to die in your care. And we're going to be fucked, or he noticed something was wrong and was like, oh, shit, I have to backtrack.

He didn't notice something was wrong, I promise. He either did and ignored it, or someone else noticed and said, you got to do something about this. So he back he's like a totally different person he's very calm caring he says the fire department is on their way ryan says i don't want to go to the hospital i just want to go to bed and the officer says that's the problem if you have some kind of head injury you shouldn't be sleeping so ryan is transported to the hospital where it was discovered that an infection had begun in his head as a result of two bullet wounds. He had been shot in the nose and the bullet entered on the right and exited on the left and then entered his left eye.

The first shot left the exit wound visible in the interrogation tapes yeah so the second shot entered behind his eyes and injured his skull and this infection had to be treated before ryan could undergo surgery so the surgery itself didn't happen until the 28th. This is like days later. Oh, my God. Ultimately, his orbital socket was completely destroyed. There were several pieces of bone in his brain. He had to have both eyes and part of his brain removed during surgery. Both of his eyes?

Yeah. Oh, this poor guy. I know. He also had a broken jaw, which was not caused by the bullets guess what guess who caused it i don't even want to fucking say it yeah i already know according to ryan's dad when police arrived and initially told ryan to get on the ground ryan was confused and didn't comply because he had been shot in the head twice and watched his girlfriend get killed in the police report they said they led ryan to

the ground and then used a quote pressure point in ryan's jaw to force him to comply and they broke his fucking jaw i really hope whoever this cop was is just fucking rotting in jail he's not well well that's how the world that's how the world spins apparently i was gonna even surprise me but it's like the least plot twist of all plot twists yeah normal sentence normal sentence normal sentence he's fucking living his life right now normal sagoo and to the rest of the story um so don ryan's dad believes that police used excessive force and injured ryan further ultimately ryan spent 35 days in the hospital police never visited or asked any questions about the shooting police never searched for richie or larry carver even

though ryan said richie and larry were the ones who broke into our house and shot us. That part just gets me. When Ryan got home from the hospital, police interviewed him and finally arrested Richie. And a few days later, Larry's wife turned Larry into police after he confessed the crime to her. So it was June 2008 when Richie Carver was convicted of felony murder burglary aggravated assault and misconduct involving weapons and he was sentenced to life in prison just before larry the dad's trial his wife recanted her statements and refused to testify against her husband in court citing marital privilege wow are you telling me the one who's married to someone that's known for domestic

violence is all of a sudden being silenced into saying anything? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You just nailed it. So without her testimony of Larry's confession to her, prosecutors had to drop the case against Larry. But Heather's family obviously did not accept that outcome. And her parents, her brother, her aunts, her uncle, her cousins, they rallied on her behalf. And the appeal that they created eventually developed something called Heather's Law, which compels a defendant's spouse to testify if the spouse has voluntarily disclosed information to police about a serious crime. has voluntarily disclosed information to police about a serious crime. So basically, if somebody comes to police and says, I have information, my husband did it, they can't then backtrack and use marital privilege as a way out of testifying. Basically, Heather's law says if a defendant's spouse tells police they have information and discloses that information, they've opened the door. They've opened the door and they can't close it.

Exactly. So the state fought a pretty intense legal battle to try and apply Heather's law retroactively to Heather's own case. And ultimately, Larry Carver was reindicted and he was convicted of first-degree murder oh wow so at least there was that success you know in this whole thing he was convicted of first-degree murder attempted first-degree murder burglary and aggravated assault this was in 2011 he was also sentenced like his son to life in prison but of course the story was not over because we still have the story of ryan ryan waller spent the rest of his life disabled due to his severe severe injuries he suffered from seizures and he eventually succumbed to one of his seizures in 2016 oh my god so after all this still he passed yeah his family filed a lawsuit

against the city of phoenix and its police department things got of course very messy first of all investigators now claim that ryan and heather were attacked on december 23rd uh which would mean that ryan was alone and injured for two full days before help arrived which is basically saying any complications resulting from delayed treatment wouldn't be the police's fault shut the fuck up shut the fuck up even if that is the case you fucked up so hard so big it's just so gross like who are we kidding and you know the cop responsible for all that doesn't fucking lose a wink asleep not a wink they just are like we did the right thing and we fuck it but of course there is a problem in this quote-unquote fact that police have stated, which is that Ryan's family insists that Ryan and Heather were attacked on December 25th on Christmas Day.

Because Ryan had been at his parents' house on December 23rd for like the whole day. Yeah, but whatever. But fucking whatever, right? That doesn't count. yeah but whatever but fucking whatever right doesn't count and then okay that night december 23rd a pizza delivery driver handed a piece of a pizza to ryan and heather that evening december 23rd and he doesn't remember two bullets in someone's face right he saw both of them alive this yeah but you know what that cop can say he He also didn't see two bullets in that guy's head at any time. So, like, I guess it could have been there.

And the pizza delivery guy just missed it, too. Precisely. It's too bad the pizza delivery driver doesn't have paramedics on hand who could do a quick check on him, you know? Mm-hmm. So, Heather's initial official autopsy stated that she died sometime between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. on December 25th, Christmas Day. In fact, Heather's date of death on her gravestone is the 25th as well. In the interrogation, which took place around 1 a.m. on December 26th, so only hours later, 1 a.m on december 26th so only hours later detective walker asks ryan what happened last night why would they come on christmas day so he's even acknowledging that these guys showed up

on the 25th like the detective who's interrogating him is like wait but this happened last night why would they come on christmas day and by the way i'll fucking tell you detective waller because it's an apartment and people are probably at their families houses so places are fucking empty and that's why i think nobody heard the bullets because it's an apartment complex for young people who are probably on christmas day going to visit their families they're not at home yep of course that's why they broke in that day oh and if that is the case then ryan's care obviously was critically delayed by police in the time it took for them to respond to the wellness check file a warrant call a locksmith leave him in the police car for four hours and then interrogate him for three more hours and this was like deeply precious time that could have been

crucial to his recovery and treatment but detective walker and the police department who has rallied behind him now insist that ryan and heather were attacked on the 23rd and that their delay in treatment by the police made no difference he would have died either way so ryan's dad claims that the date was even changed on heather's autopsy report that the police went back oh and adjusted the date just to like back up their own story detective walker also insisted under oath in a deposition that he did not realize the severity of Ryan's injuries or that he needed medical attention. However, on the interrogation tapes, when Ryan asks once again to go home and sleep, guess what Detective Walker says? It's Christmas or something. He says, you should go to the doctor is where you should go.

Oh, well, interesting. didn't get to interesting not right away and you know what ryan said me why this and then points to his eye and says is it bad like he is so disoriented and detective walker responds saying i'd say that's really bad if you have a concussion you don't need to sleep so he at least knows this man has a head injury and yet didn't stop interrogating him no no like someone who's not making sense you're like i'll ask another official question and and also had no plans to get him checked out medically. Not until he was done answering things wrong. Yeah, precisely. So Detective Walker was clearly aware during this interrogation that Ryan was badly injured.

And whether he believed he was shot is just semantics at this point, right? Like, it's like, it doesn't matter if the bullet fucking went if he saw this guy and was like he has a head injury it doesn't matter that you don't know he was shot twice like what matters is you know he's ill and he's not right he's not he's not right like what matters is it doesn't matter who shot him whatever you need to get a medical attention so it pisses me off to be like that he's like oh i didn't know he was shot it's like well you knew he was brain damaged so isn't that enough yeah so it was obviously technically protocol to have ryan evaluated by medical professionals obviously that did not happen in the end the lawsuit against the phoenix police was dismissed

why i'm unsurprised sadly not sure but also unsurprised uh that was only weeks before it went to trial so on a youtube video about their son the waller family commented the following this was just over a year ago for all of you that have asked if we filed a lawsuit against the phoenix police we did we had a 15 million dollar lawsuit against the city of phoenix the lawsuit went on for nearly three and a half years and just three weeks before the trial was set to start the city filed a motion for dismissal with the court because they stated they had found a brain expert that said the six-hour delay in Ryan's treatment probably didn't make a difference in his outcome and he would have had the same damage had he received treatment right away or six hours later.

I paid an expert witness, brain surgeon, a $10,000 retainer, and he would have testified something a whole lot different. He would have testified that when a lot different he would have testified that when a brain is bleeding it is swelling and when it is swelling catastrophic damage is being done so every minute was critical this motion went before judge robert budoff and he dismissed our case there is no doubt in my heart or mind that he was paid off there is no way that this should have ever been dismissed there were many other issues besides the six-hour delay. What about pain and suffering?

What about extremely irresponsible negligence? The City of Phoenix attorneys, police officers, and detectives involved in this case were collectively corrupt in getting this case dismissed and swept under the rug. We were three weeks from getting our day in court when magically they got this case dismissed because they knew if this had gone to a jury, there is no way they would have had a chance. But rather than take responsibility for their horrible mistakes,

they showed they are not much better than the two men that shot Heather and Ryan. When another commenter asked what the public can do to help the waller family replied i'm just hoping that maybe with enough pressure from the public that there will be an investigation as to how the city of phoenix was so easily able to get our case dismissed just three weeks before we were going to finally get our day in court the waller family is still waiting for justice and i've had fucking zero the end yeah i'm i'm pretty unsurprised it's fucking horrible i can see why you hate this story so much especially because i mean i already hate break-in robbery stories to begin with so that'll that alone is scary because it couldn't happen to anyone but you know what else could happen anyone you're doing

fucking nothing wrong and next thing you know you are in desperate need of medical care and nobody's going to help you even if you're screaming it in their face that's a great point it's like it's like the worst fear like you are going to the one person who has the power to fix what's not only that not only are they denying you something you desperately need or you could die but they're blaming you for it and saying you're being dramatic it's the most gaslighting thing i could ever imagine yeah it's horrible it's just the most help helpless feeling and the fact that it could happen to any of us in a second from right now. Yeah.

And what upsets me, too, like seriously upsets me is just the fact that like his family was like, we want to bring this to court. And, you know, obviously for the justice of their son, but also to say this can't happen again. You know, like that's what these cases are for to like set things right and make sure this doesn't happen again to another family to another person and then a judge is like oh sorry actually we don't need to take this to trial we're just dismissing it and i wish i like you know the the commenter said, what can we do? And they said, we just really want enough pressure from the public. And I'm like, you know, we have a platform. And I'm like, how do we do that?

I don't know. I wish I had a better understanding of like how to. I don't know how to do this. Like, do we do a petition? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So, you know, I'd love to I mean, you know, I'd love to hear from people who have, you know, an understanding of this world and what will actually make a difference.

Because sometimes I feel like I sign a million petitions and I'm like, is it doing anything? Maybe, maybe not. But if anybody knows like what we can really do um besides just talk about it and bring it more awareness i would love to know yeah um because you know this and so many of our stories like i would just love to be able to be helpful be helpful right it's like we're talking about it and then we hang up like i'd love to at least make some sort of difference you know yeah i uh man just nothing more infuriating and off-putting and just a very large reminder that you can't even trust the authorities that are supposed to be set in place to help you yeah not necessarily

anyway it's uh you should you should be able to be able to yeah and you know that's the kind of shit we're we're hoping will be the future but um it's a really long road i think what a good story christine what a great, fun, happy story. Wow. It's like I cursed you. What happened there? Uh-oh. We're good. For a second, we weren't. Are you good?

Yeah, my mic screwed up, and now it's... No, it's talking into the mic now. I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, my whole computer started flashing all these things, and it said... It said a lot of things. I'm so sorry. It said, time to go. Time to so sorry. It said, time to go. Time to hang out. It said, you're done.

But what did you say last? I didn't hear it. Oh, I said, what a fun, good story. And then I think. My computer was like, no. It's like, it told me to shut up, but it accidentally made you shut up. Oh, man. Okay.

Well, I guess we'll take that cue and we'll bounce. Good luck on your live show tomorrow, man. Okay. Well, I guess we'll take that cue and we'll bounce. Good luck on your live show tomorrow, Christine. Hey, Arizona. Love you. Don't love your police force. Gonna see you in a few short hours. Can't wait. And that's why we drink.