And That's Why We Drink - E339 A Time Capsule Era and a Weasel Break-In

Episode Date: August 6, 2023

Welcome to episode 339, where we ponder such existential topics as, "how will anyone know what an iPod Nano is without the time capsule we made in 1999?". This week Em triggers some major throwback with a deep dive into the 2012 doomsday prophecy with a pitstop in Y2K and some fascinating peeks into the Maya calendar. Then Christine covers the case of Viktoria Nasyrova also known as (small spoiler alert) the cheesecake murder plot. And we wish for you what we wish for ourselves: one good napsicle... and that's why we drink!

everyone hi happy sunday or monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday saturday we're having a sleepy day i thought we're gonna harmonize and then you just totally do you know how to harmonize yeah because i go first and then someone else harmonizes with me okay okay remember how we made you turn your mic up yeah you're now you're now too loud it's clipping sorry oh just slightly just slightly okay how's this that's much better all right jack way in for now um so here's the thing everyone we're having our brains are a little foggy today christine is a triple threat mom podcaster secondary podcaster um what else what else i'm sure there's more um candy eater with tummy troubles um today no tummy troubles which is good but i mean not yet

i'm eating a lot of candy right now so we'll see okay anyway between just being being a general human being and having two shows, Christine's going through it, which like you haven't actually said out loud, but I'm just saying on behalf of like as your friend, I don't know how you I don't know how you function the way that you do. And we've discussed that many times, but I appreciate it. I barely do. I'm in a point where I'm like having a little mental identity crisis and I'm like I gotta sit down and like write out a schedule like a mentee bee having a little mentee bee

there's a tiny mentee bee um I think I'm gonna do for the fall oh okay what what are we doing you are down for like maybe a schedule you know know, like not a schedule, like a strict schedule, but just like, oh, here are my windows where like I'm going to tell Blaze and my mom and whoever is with Leona like these hours I need to put aside like for recording. I just feel like I'm always like winging it like, oh shit, after a quarter tomorrow, like let me text my mom and see if she can come over. And then she's like, no no i like i'm busy that day and it's just crazy so i think i'm gonna try to why am i talking about this on the show i feel

like this is a definitely like this is actually a work we've crisscrossed we've crisscrossed into sad happy hour happy hour which like is sad because i get i don't have to i just said i get to miss it i don't have to go to it. I meant the opposite. I know. Yeah. Somehow you got like a doctor's note and now Eva and I are having sad happy hour without Christine this weekend. Well, do you want to know real quick? I do want to know why you drink.

But can I tell you why I drink since we're on the topic of me anyway? So I took the weekend and went on a really fun trip with Renee and her friend from law school, Lindsay, and her friend Lindsay has like in Indiana, a really sweet little like lake house. And it's so nice. And you basically just go and lay around. There's not even internet. Like you just, you needed that for sure. Right. Like max and relax. And so we had a great time. We're like swimming in the lake. It was awesome. The leave i'm like okay leaving at 11 so i get in the car and i drive about six minutes away and i'm like six minutes away and my phone rings and it's renee and i go mother effer like what did i leave like i obviously left something and i answered the

phone she goes you left your entire backpack like with your laptop your medicine like every like your probably your wallet like everything important that belongs to your social security guard yeah that one i'm like yeah you can have it i don't need it but everything else i'm like shit so i'm like god damn it so i turn around and then there's this like car coming in the opposite direction these are like really narrow roads so i like turn a little like let them through i did not see the fucking gigantic curb there and i just exploded my fucking tire and i get to their house and i'm like hey did you miss me and they were like she's back and i was like hey for real though can someone call triple a because my car is now like oh no completely and so we were like you know what no we can change a tire right so we're like

okay let's change the tire so we go outside we're about to like ratchet the thing up literally like god himself was laughing the fucking sky opened and it just started like downpouring to the point that like we can barely even see and i'm standing there like this is not gonna like if i'm lifting a car off the ground for like maybe the third time in my human adult life, I don't think it should be in a storm. So I ended up having to call AAA. They like eventually came, put on a new tire. But then they were like, you can't drive like four hours on a spare tire. And I was like, OK.

So I stopped at nine Walmarts, Walmart auto centers on the way home. And not a singular one had my kind of tire so I just kept having to go to Walmart and saying can you pump up my tire so I can get all the way home so they would just like pump up my little spare four hours 260 miles so anyway I eventually made it home um now my poor sad car is just outside like limping so are you by the way just like me too eventually i think you are the tire it was it was uh a symbolic thing i am like the deflated tire so anyway that's why i drink um but i made it home safe and sound because i was on the phone with my stepdad and i was like tim but like what will happen if i drive over and he's like

well you know the tire pressure and i was like no no like what will happen if I drive over and he's like well you know the tire pressure and I was like no no like what will happen to me if something goes like it like what will happen to the car if worst case scenario like this tire loses air or whatever like what will happen he's like well if the heat of the tire and I was like no no like will I crash will I like will the car just stop will it like skid off the road will it just slowly go flat and then the beeping will start like what what will happen could not get a straight answer so the whole ride home i'm just like well something's gonna happen any minute now i'm not i'm not supposed to drive more than 50 miles it's one of those things where like men pretend they

know but like they universally just hope no one i think it was that other thing because he works on cars so like he knows but like i think it's the other thing dads do or men do where at least both my dads do where they go oh let me give you the very long answer and i'm like i don't want i don't want to know why i don't want to know why the car is going to fall apart. I need to know like. Like does car go boom? Yeah, exactly. Do I die or do I just like skid off the road and like have to call AAA again? Like I was like, that's all I need.

And he's like, depends on the like distance. I don't know. He's like, the rain might affect the tread on the tire i was like i'm done a very dad conversation where five milliseconds and i'm like i i'm out i literally had to be like okay and hung up and i was like i'm done i really do you won't all of a sudden feel like i'm in like a snoopy classroom and my dad just goes and I'm like okay so fucking you have five half seconds to tell me what's going

on if you want me to understand it and I think it's because like they get in their element he's like I've been waiting to explain tires to you and I'm like he's just want to talk to cars about cars to anyone probably and he's like this is it finally so anyway that's why I drink I'm like oh and then tomorrow so i got home last

night way later than i was supposed to we're recording today and i leave early in the morning for beachy sandy tour so i'm just like really tired yeah i did tell christine as the chairman of all naps i was like you can just go to bed i'll totally understand we can figure it out figure out recording that's so nice but then i was like why don't we record wednesday i was like because i will be in dc with you we could record we know we won't when we're together so i know anyway and you shouldn't have to um how wow fine compared to that i'm good well it was funny because you got on like even i were talking and she's like your weekend looks so relaxing and i was like well it was until it wasn't and then

i was like but don't tell him because it's the reason i drink and then you sat down you're like guys i'm having a day i just dropped my vitamins and i was like m's gonna come in and be like i did hear you laugh and i was like that's not funny it's because it come in and be like, I did hear you laugh. And I was like, that's not funny. It's because it was like the back, like the exact right moment where I was like, oh, yeah, that's why I drink today. Like I might, you know, I had to I had to drive home like 30 miles an hour on the highway. And then you were like, I'm having such a day, you guys. My vitamin just fell on the ground. And we were like, oh, no. Well, OK, well, I am having a day because i'm actually i am having like some

gnarly anxiety i just don't think my beta blocker has kicked in yet um so as you saw it fell on the ground um right well that was your vitamin you call your beta blockers a vitamin uh so it's a it's a a lump sum kind of situation because I have four vitamins and two medications. That's a lump sum. I don't even know what that means. I don't know. I just thought if you heard it. What's happening?

I just thought if I said it and in context, you'd pick it up. But now instead of being called out. Wow. No, you probably. It makes sense, I'm sure, to somebody. It was. I said it because the real answer is i have four vitamins and two medications but i take them all together and so since there's more vitamins and medications

i say vitamins but i understand i also often just say so it's a lump sum kind of thing you get it yeah i'm trying to say i was at the apothecary on my way home, a.k.a. across the room to the desk. Yeah. Things fell out of my pocket. I'm not trying to diss you and your troubles because, as we know, anxiety is nothing to joke about. Well, no, I just I'm just a little stressed just because tomorrow I'm traveling across the country to go home. And I'm going home for a while, which always makes me nervous because I know by day four, my mom and I are going to revert back to 2008.

And so I'm just a little stressed about it. When do you leave? Tomorrow morning. Okay. Me too. Hey. Hey. Well, maybe we can save each other.

I don't know. We've tried. We've spent seven years we've are we flying i'm flying into philly because we have a philly show then we're flying from philly to dc or driving i don't know well i i'm just i again not to compare stressors here because if i were having a show in philly tomorrow i wouldn't be able to breathe so i'm aware that you've got your own thing going on but i just have general stress because i just have so much to do before i leave and i'm not gonna be here that feeling is so overwhelming though i don't even know if i have enough time to get everything done that i want so especially if you're going for a long time and you're like well this is it this is like the like the hours are ticking to get shit done. Yeah. I get it.

Like I, and it's just like, I also want things to be clean before I leave. So I don't just leave a pile for Allison, you know? So I, like on top of everything else, I feel like I need to do like a scrub of all my stuff. Right. So anyway, I'm just a little pressed for time and then stressed. There's something,

like I have some weird gut feeling about going this time i don't know why but i have like a feeling like something weird's gonna happen i don't know oh you just gave me shivers i don't know i don't i don't know if it's negative but i just feel like i feel weird about going i don't know maybe i just am but i feel like it's the same thing that i just said last week like i think i'm just burned out from socializing and now i know there's like three weeks of being around family that i'm just like i don't even you know i mean too much yeah yeah i think i just want to go home and just like not be spoken to but i'm walking into like the lines that are being spoken to non-stop so well not to put you on the spot but if you do if you're like i can't like i do not for a second expect you

to come to the dc show if you're like oh i'm going like, I do not for a second expect you to come to the DC show. If you're like, oh, I'm going to your show much. I like really don't want you. I mean, I really don't want you to feel like, oh, God, this is like looming. You know what I mean? No. As we just discussed, I will be going. I don't think with a plus one.

So I'll actually get to sit in the dark and not be spoken to for like an hour. So, well, I don't know. You might have to wear a mustache. I feel like people maybe you can sit in the green room or something whatever you want uh no i've never gotten to see you live without me on the stage so oh my god i'm so excited and nervous i can't believe you're excited i would be wigging out but okay like the literal highest dose of zoloft that exists so i think like my edges have been really softened over the last two years last

thing i'll say uh speaking of zoloft i think i'm going to ask my doctor to put me on zoloft because you and eva fucking love it so much renee's on it too and we talked about it this weekend in the lake you know and we were like i actually almost well i didn't almost drown i like oh everyone thought i was almost gonna drown and i was like i think I'm fine um okay and I wasn't though but I they were like can you bring uh high noons into the lake and I was like I don't know how to enter the lake and they were like well you can either just jump off the dock into the lake and I was like well I'm not doing that and they were like or you could go walk into the lake and I was like I feel like that's what people do when they're trying to like end every like walk into the lake sounds like very dramatic and I was like okay and they were

like can you bring three high noobs and I was like sure so I like start walking to the lake with these fucking cans and then I suddenly get to a point where I'm like oh yeah and I yell out to them and I'm like oh I don't know how to swim with these and they're like well then stay there we'll come get you and I was like truly and I like had kept walking until I was literally like underwater and so then maybe I don't want so long sounds like I'll just drown so I had these glasses that like uh Eva and Rachel had given me that like around and look kind of like a bug like they're super cute they're Ray-Bans but um and they didn't give them to me like because we give each other fancy gifts it was just like Rachel was like I look like a bug in these and I was like me too but I'll wear them so I was wearing them and I'm like going down and all I hear as like bubble I'm

like and they're like throw the high noon they float and i was like no and they were like christine throw the high noon so you can swim and i was like i'll save the high noon so i'm holding them up in the air and i was like are you sure them anti-anxiety is god-given this oh i don't think anything would have up to now i don't think the zoloft had anything to do with anything okay it's like don't worry i won't i don't think the Zoloft had anything to do with anything okay I was like don't worry I won't I don't want them to like get too shaken up because they're carbonated and they were like Christine you're flailing around in the lake like they're gonna get carbonated no matter what at this point and I was like okay so I'm like trying to like throw them and all I hear is like

I'm kind of going under and holding the high noons above my head is it looks like John Lennon drowning because I had those like gold round glasses on. Oh, my God. And I was like, so they came to my rescue, which ended up not being as I think I made such a scene that they were like, Christine, what the fuck was that? I was like, I can imagine. I can see someone easy breezy just floating over to you, just picking up up the can just floating away as you're just like and they're like are you okay and i was like oh i'm fine and they were like how much water like you were like spitting water out like a fountain and i was like i don't know i i like just i was like guys how do i get over to you and then i like immediately stepped into like seven foot water and

was like okay uh just not my brightest moment but i think the way that you don't know how to tread water but not when my hands were up in the air like i was like trying to like do you know what i mean yeah i was like trying to hold them up and they said don't fucking hold them they float and i just didn't like believe them i guess i don't know anyway even if it wasn't true just like we'll sacrifice the three cans for you to stop looking like this. Like, please. They would have. They were like, please make it stop immediately.

Anyway, the point is, I don't know what the point is, but the point is, Renee and I are both on. Good luck. Good luck, Emma and Zoloft. And Renee and I and Zoloft, and we both were like, well, that was interesting and like moved on. And I was like okay you know well you know you know what's weird so i was taking lexapro yeah all right and i i was

trying to take lexapro but what's so interesting and i don't know anyone out there who just happens to like perfectly understand my body chemistry please make it make sense but um it gave me all of the symptoms that of my like fainting spells uh like the wooziness and stuff like to a t though like i thought i didn't didn't even cross my mind that it had to do with the medication for a while i thought i was having a flare-up or something and it was just but then i realized it was just my body trying to get used to the lexa pro and i was like well some people some people take zoloft at night because they're like oh it makes me a little woozy so or just like a little bit like i don't know so so maybe try it at night first so you're like i don't know yeah i would like to i'll try it at night for sure but it was it was wild i

was like this is not worth it so i just yeah i don't blame you that sounds like a lot uh so it sounds it sounds like a lot but does not sound like everything you just described just talked to you directly out of zoloft and i apologize uh no you just talked me out of taking it uh during the day so i'm willing to give it a whirl and see what happens give it a whirl i think it is think it has really done a lot for me. Hmm. Where are we? Well, it's almost been 20 minutes and we haven't done anything.

Anything. It's been, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I talked so much. It's okay. No, I, hey, I'm here for it. I don't know what everyone else is here for, but. I don't think anyone else is here, to be honest. Anyway, you drink because a lot and i drink

because i have to get on a plane so um that's why we drink for whatever reason everyone else chooses to drink this week i hope it's a better more sane reason we cheers to you and this is your weekly reminder to drink some water you little thirsty rats i did bring some water today actually so usually i just have coffee i need to change my brita filter and i'm aware of that and so i'm kind of scared to drink my own water oh my gosh those things are fine you're fine i'm sure i am and there's like nothing going on here but i just feel like i can like i'm just eating mouthfuls of bacteria all of a sudden i i don't think that's how uh water in a big um metropolitan city works but i my did my brain ask for your opinion on that one no because my brain truly i get obviously

will spiral. I believe that this is now a cup of sludge. It's perfectly fine water. It tastes fine, but in my brain, I'm drinking mud all of a sudden. I think I just felt like I had to say it so that our listeners weren't like, what is there? You know what I mean?

So we have both sides. Uh-huh. Well, per usual. I don't know. I am a diva, and also I- You are, though. You are that. Often will find a reason to have a crisis, and today it's about Brita Filters.

I am such a, I don't even know what the right word is, but I have- Diva? I already said that one. You didn't say that already. I know you need a new one, huh? But I have, I'm a full loyalist to the water filter brand though to the company or to the industry and now not to the brita company to the water filtering industry and now when i know that my filter is dirty i think all water is dirty i don't know what is wrong with me

anyway probably well we'll discuss that later i'm like probably never mind it's not time to diagnose you. I'm just unwell always. I just am always looking for a reason to be unwell. So, yeah. Anyway, that's also why I drink dirty water, apparently. Excellent. It was your idea to drink water.

To be fair, nobody made you do it. It was this or milk. And I knew you'd have something to say. Exactly. You would have something to say and it would be the entire show that is honestly so true so sorry ever since you said i didn't ask for your opinion i felt very defensive and now i just feel like i keep shouting at you and i'm sorry about it i'm sorry i think you're like you know what i do have an opinion and yeah and you have to hear it no matter what I do have an opinion and here it is.

Yeah, and you have to hear it no matter what. Well, I'm excited to hear your opinion on this because I am covering today. By the way, shout out to our researcher. I feel like I wanted to expand our stories. And so I've been doing ghosts and aliens and cryptids for a long time, but I also wanted to get into more more conspiracies and spooky spooky stuff and so shout out for all their help um but today they gave me a topic they're like what would you think about doing the 2012 doomsday prophecy and

i went that sounds great hello i. I'm so excited. So here's like when we thought the Mayan calendar would end or whatever. I guess I'll find out. Yes. So this is a combination of both our notes because then I did my own deep dives after reading up on it. uh if you don't know it shocks me that there might actually be someone out there who was born post 2012 that listens or is maybe just too young to remember they would be 10 and i feel like they would be way cooler we have some 10 year olds yeah that's true we must we have well we have parents who let their 10 year olds listen in the car with them we've met quite a few at our shows so hello to you and

also this episode won't be scary so they're like i want so loft there's a lot we say that i'm like do those children are they okay like i feel like we're not helping raise them in like an acceptable way but you know whatever at dinner the 10 year old's gonna be like this water tastes dirty how's our filter system mom where's my filter so um okay so for those of you who for some reason would not know uh people thought the world was going to end in 2012 that was only 11 years ago and we thought it was going to end in 2000 so like it just keeps happening yeah well so interesting because there's always a doomsday to prepare for. There's always an apocalypse. And the most recent one that was very significant was 2012. And it was December 21st, 2012, which is 12-21-12-1-2-2-1-1-2.

I don't know, you know, numbers. Wait, it was December 21st? So 12-21-12-1-2-1-2. Oh, I thought it was Decembercember 12th okay never mind that would have made more sense in my mind 12 12 12 right i i feel like i was the kid on 12 12 he's like the world is ending everyone's like no everyone was like this it's in 10 days yeah exactly god what's wrong with me um so this doomsday 2012 uh was the most significant since y2k and for those of you who were not around during y2k and making me feel incredibly old because y2k which stands for year 2000

uh people thought the world was truly going to end when the clock struck midnight and we were out of the 90s we were in a new millennia and do you know why though why they thought it was gonna end okay i'm only doing notes on doomsday well i thought that was the end of it so i waited and then you didn't say it so i was like oh okay i guess okay well i was gonna ask you do you remember y2k like what was your experience oh well i was actually in utah um at a ski resort good way to go i know right for new year's and i was like i i keep hearing whispers about the world ending but then everyone started joking about it and we were at a piano bar at this like ski resort and we were all dancing and all of a sudden it was midnight and we were like well

we're still here i mean i was like nine right like how old was i nine we were you were eight eight yeah yeah so i was like i was just having a good time what were you doing uh i also i think i i i knew there were also whispers but i didn't know how serious some people were taking it um i think i think our parents were probably like shielding us yeah yeah uh shielding us and also a lot of people didn't you know weren't falling for it a lot of people were falling for it but people really't, you know, weren't falling for it. A lot of people were falling for it. But people really did think, you know, when the at midnight, everyone's at a New Year's Eve party. But at midnight, the world's going to end. And so I remember some people like not not going to New Year's Eve parties that time because they were like, we have to hunker down. What do they think would happen?

Like that? Oh, actually, I do know. like that oh actually i do know so um anyway i remember being at our neighbor's house for new years i mean it was a normal new year's i just remember hearing whispers but i also don't think i knew what was going on because i was seven but uh so why 2k this is because as of 1999, people were worried about their computers. Because up until this point, computers and digital calendars always listed their data with a log of a timestamp. But the timestamp always had only two last for the year instead of four digits so instead of saying uh you know send this thing out in on june 3rd 1998 it would just say 98 you know what i mean like yes it only registered the time code only had the two digits for the for the year yes so a lot of people thought that when 2000 hit

all of a sudden it would say zero zero and the computer would not know what the zero zero and would murder us all they thought it would either like maybe the computer would think it was 1900 3000 like they thought the computer would just revert back to binary and zero zero what if they thought it was the year zero they were like it's we're starting over it's jesus's birthday well so here's a quote about it uh trouble is when the computer's clock would strike 2000 the math can get screwy date-based equations like 98 minus 97 equals 1. But that became 00 minus 97 equals negative 97. Okay, but who made the computer and was like,

ah, we won't need this till 2000. Well, I'll tell you, people have known about this problem since 1953. What? Known about this non-existent problem or known about this problem since 1953 what and so about this like non-existent problem or known about no since 1953 people have been saying should we do something about that because what's going to happen when the calendar says zero but how is there there weren't what are the computers in 1953 i think they were like big old oh you know they were not today's computers but machines i guess i don't know okay but so uh date-based equations like 98 minus 7 equals 1 would become 00 minus 97 equals 90 negative 97 that can prompt some computers to do the wrong thing and stop others from doing

anything at all so when midnight hit and the year became 2000, a lot of people thought that computers would not know what time it was. So they might not operate appropriately. They might short circuit. If they have to send something out or have to file something a certain way, all of a sudden information would totally get lost. Our communications would go down. And this, again, like I said, the problem was allegedly realized in 1953, where there's another quote, they knew all the way back then that this would be a major problem that would only compound as more and more people, industries and governments were reliant on computers. So by 1999, when all

of us are now using like the superhighway, that is the internet and superhighway, that's so good. All of a sudden, like there's so many people on a computer though that's like the decade that all of us are getting like computers at home or we're about to so many people are now about to either lose their information or it's going to get saved the wrong way right right and you might think like oh my microsoft word document is going to get saved the wrong way but there there were also industries using Wall Street. All of a sudden, their computers would go down. And I bet medical stuff, all sorts of things.

Yeah, banking, everything. So people were freaking out that computers would just lose all their information or would glitch on its own. They might catch on fire. They might send off the wrong wrong signals or they might release the wrong codes to the wrong people they were nobody knew and that was kind of the biggest mystery of it all scary thought i can see how that would be alarming yeah and uh so the people thought there was going to be a global computer crash that would happen the second

that midnight hit on new year's um people thought because of this like i just said like the computers wouldn't know what to do they wouldn't know how to operate they thought in places like nasa their computers would glitch and like missiles would launch themselves people thought the computers and planes would fail and so the whole system would fail and planes would fall out of the sky um and people treated this like truly the end of the world. Like, yeah, I mean, I, again, only remember whispers because I was seven. But it was I did a little looking back and I did a little Googling of like how people prepared for Y2K. Wow. I mean, there were people fully terrified. Preppers were having a field day.

Preppers were like, it's my moment. They were like, this is my moment. This is a quote about Time Magazine from the assistant managing editor. Time Magazine staff set up a generator-powered war room in the basement of the Time and Life building filled with computers and equipment ready to produce the magazine in case of a catastrophic breakdown of electricity and communications so they were like we want to be the only remaining magazine in the apocalypse they were like we're gonna be able to still report which like by the way no job is worth that like just for sure not just a reminder loyalty to a company is like not that

intense like just i mean i guess i do understand if you're a journalist and you're like i we want to make sure we're able to like disseminate information to people like right like if no it makes sense it makes sense if you're loyal to journalism and getting the news out there and wanting to be a part of that. That's great. But also, if the world's ending, you're allowed to consider quitting your job. I'm sure they thought about it. If you think the world is ending to a point where your company has built a war room in a bunker somewhere, maybe at least ask for a raise before you commit to writing more for them as people are tolerating the aftermath of an apocalypse.

That's fair. Know your worth, people. That's all. So I also asked Linda, of course. Of course. I said, give me a synopsis of what you remember people being like leading up to Y2K. And she said people thought their computer she would give. Maybe if I said this is a quote for the podcast, she would have given me some more flowery stuff.

But all she said was people thought their computers wouldn't work and others thought the world would end. Think extremists. It's like, yeah like yeah girl that was that we already knew that she passed the test she said the tech field was hiring programmers like crazy uh and the hardest part was of course the hardest part was remembering to write 2000 on checks versus 1999 okay so that was a hair flip from my mother the hardest part like i was so inconvenienced i just just writing a check was difficult for me i mean i do that literally every year i write the wrong date for like a month yeah so she um fully just apparently

why she's not it was not of a concern to her until she had to write a check. So despite her, though, there were several preppers freaking the fuck out. Like I said, there were actual companies building bunkers to be able to continue after everything. People were throwing their computers out of windows and destroying machines because they thought like maybe their computers would come to life and control their homes. I mean, think of if that if a Y2K scenario happened today with the technology we have. People would be running around collecting iPhones off the street and like laptops.

I mean, this was, I mean, I get that like computers in 99 were scary because they were so new and we didn't know how they worked. But think of like how people panic now about A-L-E-X-A's or like. Or like A-I. Or Alexas or like or like ai ai or like their or tiktok like oh they're watching you through your phone or whatever so like if we had a y2k a technology is taking over the world fear today it would be it would make y2k look like a thing so

yeah i agree let's like keep it on the deal guys guys. I don't want to start. Like, I don't have the energy for that, you know? Not today. Christina has to take more Zoloft first. On this, the day of me being so tired. How dare you? Wait, can we put that on our shirt? On this, the day of my cat's birthday. I remember hearing that like 20 years ago and I still say it. This, today, on the day of my extra sleepiness, day that i really need a nap how dare you um so anyway people were freaking out they were so scared people were quitting their jobs because they really thought the world was ending and they were just gonna do whatever they wanted for the last week um in some places

christmas breaks were being uh extended so people could leave earlier so they could be home. Well, so they could be home on. Oh, no. Yeah, they could be home on New Year's and then they could maybe need the extra time off to survive, you know, but they had to go back to school later, I guess. I know, but that's nice if you don't believe it and you're like, oh, OK not worried but I got an extra week off but there were people freaking out it also happened in 2012 where people were um extending it the opposite way where Christmas break started earlier so it was before December 21st so interesting that they both happened like within a week of each other you know days wise December 21st and June and December 30th yeah Yeah, that's true. Christmas time. Anyway, so it everyone was

panicking or not everyone. I guess my mom was in the room drinking wine or something. Your mom was trying to figure out how to write a check now that it's 2000. Like it wasn't hard to go from 98 to 99, but going to 00 was crazy. but going to OO was crazy. So, okay, Y2K happened. Christine was in Utah. I was dancing. I was having a good time.

I was at my neighbor's house. The ball drops and midnight hits and nothing happens. Wait, Eva just texted in. I turned off the lights right at midnight and convinced even my very tech savvy dad that something had happened I'll never pull a better prank oh my lord yeah Eva's dad worked in like tech and IT so like that is a big he had I should have moved I should have asked P Gross what his opinion of Y2K was well he, he was like, the lights all turned off. And then I found out it was my daughter, Eva. That's brilliant.

That's crazy. That's like bold, though. That's like very brave. Yeah. Yikes. Well, well done, Eva. That's a prank that I wish I could. That is a good prank.

If I could go back in time to play a silly prank, I think I'd steal your idea and make my mom be more scared. She said, I remember him him screaming oh my gosh it happened no p gross oh that is gross he didn't deserve that but he doesn't deserve i deserve the story though so but it was it was worth it for us for sure yeah well okay so midnight hits p gross is terrified screaming screaming uh and the rest of us are fine because nothing actually happened and how embarrassing january 1st must have been for other people so awkward there had to be someone who was thinking like well the day is not over yet and it's like like someone had to give it up you know digging their heels you know

anyway people were like well i guess it didn't happen and then like a bunch of embarrassing chuckles for for the cross like i was only kidding right were you guys only kidding totally we didn't really believe it right i feel like i feel like in today's world wouldn't people just look to places with time zone changes and be like did your computer fry wait wait that's so smart oh i remember i was on i was in mountain time i think and i do remember people talking about that like has anyone heard from california i don't know what to tell you is did someone send an email on hotmail from california to tell us we're all okay yeah did anyone use the one computer in this entire buildings for us to

maybe email general california someone get california on the horn so nothing happened and people eventually just kind of moved on to the next doomsday which was 2012 there's always got to be one there's always one the second one's gone and especially i mean think about even again i always find a way to bring up q anon but think about even like just general conspiracy theorists that if something doesn't go as predicted eventually you just say like oh well i got the date wrong or oh it changed or like yeah oh it was a misunderstanding we I got the date wrong or, oh, it changed. Yeah. Oh, it was a misunderstanding. We just did the math wrong or something. Yeah.

Yeah. Which like, okay, so I shouldn't rely on you. I shouldn't trust you. Yeah. It doesn't seem like you know what you're doing. You're telling on yourself. Okay. Yes. So the next Doomsday Prophecy became 2012.

So do you remember, we were in college at this point. Do you remember hearing about 2012? Like, what was your experience with this? Yeah, so I had, so that was actually the month I graduated, 12 of, yeah, December of 2012. And I remember thinking, if this is the end and I just had to, like, do final exams. Like, all this work for nothing. Like I will never forgive the universe. But that like that day, December 21st, my ex-boyfriend dumped me in an airport.

So I was already having a bad day. It was already the end of the world. Yeah, it was. I don't know if it was on the 21st, but it was that week. Do you know what day of the week that was? Thatcember 21st 2012 i don't know whatever i'll look it up 2012 do you remember hearing about it though like because there were like years before 2012 that is the day that is the day he dumped me on an airport yep uh i remember everybody everybody's saying um uh oh it's the mayan calendar has predicted it that's what i remember what do you remember i mean i remember years leading up to it like even still in high

school people saying oh well in 2012 the world i remember high school i guess that's true people did talk about it i forgot about and so it became a bit of you know this one day prophecy which like we already we we just did y2k like eight years ago why are we already talking about this thing now now i gotta worry for the next four years oh i was gonna say isn't it literally 12 years ago but i see what you're saying like in leading up to okay yeah yeah so uh yeah i remember people saying oh well in 2012 the world's gonna end the world's gonna end and i never understood why i knew i had also heard mayan calendar but that was really yeah so the 2012 prediction was heavily

based on the maya long count calendar which i learned by the way that it's maya not mayans oh okay apparently yeah i feel like i should know that apparently based on english mayan sounds right but it's actually maya unless you're saying unless you're talking about language then it's a mayan language of the people right like a mayan calendar of the maya people so yeah so this is the maya long count calendar gotcha and there's often this false narrative that people believe which was you and me involved that maya culture is this ancient civilization which it was it was an ancient it is an ancient culture but the thought was it was an ancient culture and all the people were totally wiped out and they had some crazy prophecies and the fact that they're gone how could they not see this coming or did they see

this coming and they just left the earth like it was they were like a like an advanced knowledge civilization and it became very uh you know yeah louder louder and bigger than it needed to be right but so the mystery was always they they always predicted that 2012 would be the end of the world and because their their calendars just stopped there their calendars just stopped and so they must have either died themselves before they could finish the calendar or they just knew that was the end and then they like left the planet or i don't whatever they decided to come up with. The planet. Yeah.

Whatever they decided on. So it was just truly I mean, also, we were 16 year olds. I'm sure whatever version I heard was just so, so often, so many ways. Exactly. We weren't like trying to find the most like respectable way to discuss the Maya people. Like exactly. At 16, definitely not. discuss the Maya people like exactly at 16 definitely not especially because we had all heard that it was this ancient civilization and all the people were wiped out from some disaster

we don't even know about but Maya culture is still around and has over six million descendants in Central America alone so well when I went to Belize I met so many people who were like oh yeah that's my family I'm part Maya and it was so cool because like I got such a better insight than like just the fucking school like playground gossip obviously from my youth it just it just like goes against everything we were taught of like oh they were wiped out and they don't exist anymore they could never tell us what it all meant yeah it's like they're right fucking here what are you talking about uh so of course good old usa did not care about that little plot hole that oh the maya people are very much still with us um that doesn't sound right okay just denying it to their faces we've never done that before um so in the 1970s new age spiritualists started talking a lot about central

american mysticism and ancient beliefs with no backing no real sources uh can you believe it right shocking in particular people focused on ancient maya culture because they thought uh its people had advanced knowledge about the secrets of the universe and humanity and where we belong. I love how we give them the credit of being like these genius whatever. But then we're like, but shut up. We're telling your story. You know what I mean? Like, oh, wow.

They were so wise and all this. But then like we refuse to. Imagine going up to a Maya person and saying, oh oh they if only they were still with us they were so smart and then my person's like i'm right here i'm the smarty pants in the room to tell you i exist as a person right in front of you and i can just see that the spiritualist going shh yeah hey it's will you be quiet we're having a conversation over here yeah exactly anyway so this all by looking into quote maya mysticism uh this led to a resurgence of a sect of new age ism called mayanism which focused on alleged maya beliefs and knowledge again with no research or maya people backing

it as sources so we just called it mayanism there it is there it is uh some followers of this believed that maya people had made contact with aliens uh others thought that maya people knew a great white aryan race from Atlantis. Oh, good. And those people taught them advanced agriculture and how to build pyramids. So of course, of course, if it wasn't already fucked up enough, the white people said,

our ancestors actually taught them how to be smart. They're only really wise because white people told them how to be, or aliens. There's really no in between. Yeah. It's either otherworldly or white people from atlantis yeah but white people like what a weird sleight of hand to distract you of like well they're from

atlantis oh it's crazy so they're an aryan race let's not forget yeah and they're the reason that anyone else could thrive apparently in mysticism sure sure of course um so specifically what people focus on the most in this maya mysticism was the maya long count calendar which did exist but people just really ran with it um so they followed this the most out of anything else of maya culture because uh the ancient maya peoples were known to be highly skilled expert astronomers expert uh mathematicians and they created some of the most accurate time keeping systems that we've ever known still right so uh people looked at the calendar and was like well this has to be right we can track everything that's going to happen sure um and there are

actually a few calendars that we that people use in different areas. There's one in Guatemala that is a Maya calendar that's 260 days long instead of 365. But the long count one is the one that we care about. Okay. So the calendar we're used to, the 365 days, it's very cyclical. It's very quick, ironically, because in my mind, 365 days is very long. Feels pretty damn long. But those are still short spurts where every 365 days, time essentially repeats itself on paper.

Where you go back to January and you start over. And we're able to live through multiple sets of that rotation that makes sense um but the maya long count calendar is linear and just never there's no there's no circular going back to a date it just keeps going it keeps going keeps going so it's not really a calendar i didn't know that uh like we know it it's more just a list of days counting since creation got it and time is broken up very differently on this calendar that way we're able to it's more palatable for us um i wish i knew how to describe it better i i got a picture i'll show it to you in a second but let knew how to describe it better. I got a picture.

I'll show it to you in a second, but let me try to describe it before I send you this picture. Okay. The way that you would look at a date according to the long count calendar, there wouldn't be a month and there wouldn't be days in that month.

And instead it would be their time is broken up into a certain amount of days which end up as a certain week a certain amount of weeks become like essentially uh i guess a month there's um the smallest quantifier on this calendar is 20 days that you and I would know. Those days are called kins. Days are kins. So 20 kins equals a weenal. So it's not really a full month. It's just 20 days. So it's almost like three weeks for us, but that's a weenal. 18 of those, or 18 sets of three weeks, becomes a toon. I don't expect you to remember this but just to

give everyone an idea 20 tunes becomes 7200 days or a cartoon so it's called 20 tunes is a cartoon 20 cartoons is a bach tune and a bach tune eventually just to give you a rough number of a bach tune that is, it's almost 400 years. It's 394 and a quarter years. Wow. And the long count calendar was 13 Bakhtuns. Okay. And then the calendar ends after 13 Bakhtuns.

I see. I see. I see. So in total, 13 Bakhtuns is 1,872,000 days or just over 5,100 years. Dang. I watched Hank Green. I love him. And this was pre-2012.

He was explaining why people thought the world was going to end. Oh. It's very weird because in the video he says if you're watching this after 2012 and i'm like oh a lot longer um but so this is a quote from him uh the maya people used this calendar to count the days since the last creation because the maya believed that we are currently living in the fourth creation apparently there were creations before us and there's some deity history there I'm unaware of. But our creation is the fourth one. Right.

Some scientists did the math and actually figured out that the date of the last creation since we got here was 3114 B.C. on, fun fact, August 11th. Okay. 14 BC on fun fact, August 11th. Okay. Um, so that was, so last creation began a long time ago and we were very quickly coming up on the 13th and final,

the end of the 13th and final box. I see. Okay. And so people didn't know what happens after that because does the calendar just reset and we do another 13 bach tunes or they just not get around to it like why did it stop right and very quickly people just thought like oh something must have happened to keep them from continuing to write or something i see yeah and that is how we ended up uh with this doomsday because if you on a calendar write out the dates of the date that

becomes the let me let me show it to you and maybe you can actually help me talk like explain it to people who don't have their computer on them this is a hank green original screenshot yeah an og so this is what a date would look like from the my long count calendar okay this is what the date would look like on a my uh so the calendar the 12 so it remember i said like time was like broken up into uh like all those segments yeah so each one is a different thing so it goes from biggest to smallest and it's just to give you a more specific date so we're in the 12th bach tune the the number that we're looking at by the way is like 12 18 6 16 2 and the 12th it represents 12 bach tunes the 18 represents the one underneath that and underneath that and underneath that so it becomes

so it like narrows down almost to show you what day we're on yeah and we can put that on Instagram so it's like as if we were to say it's the year 2020 or it's like the century whatever century

the specific year 2023 the specific month is this specific day so it's just like more specific as the numbers go on okay yeah yeah so it's a it looks like a lot of numbers but it as the more numbers are the more defined it gets on what day i see and the number that he used as an example was 12 18 6 16 2 but uh if you look at the date december 21st 2012 aka doomsday that was 13 000 it was the beginning oh okay 13 being so we would have then fallen into the end of the 13th bach tunes we would be okay 13 so people started last one they had discussed so it was like what happens now okay i understand sorry i didn't mean to over explain that but i no no i mean i think you did a really good job i really like i actually really understand it without a visual for most people i'm just

trying very hard over here so you're doing good thank you so if people freaked out they didn't know if that just means the calendar come like reverts back or is this the end of the world um it also happened to fall on the winter solstice which you know made it more significant to some people and this theory actually gained popularity back in the 80s and 90s but the advent of the internet is what made this theory super popular especially when especially when on the internet like on the computer is where y2k happened or that's what everyone was afraid of so y2k happens now everyone goes back on their computer being like well i guess nothing happened and people are on the

forums they're like not so fast yeah so i'm sure it was they didn't have the word back then but it was probably trending online that people were talking about the end of the world and so people were looking it up on the internet and found a whole new way to like dig their heels in yeah so personally for 2012 i remember people going nuts this was my version of y2k that i have some understanding of i remember i think i watched the hank green video i'm pretty sure i remember being oh really guys this isn't but my school was also like so nerdy and like whatever that i think everybody was like you guys actually the mayan calendar you know i think yeah everyone like immediately was like if you believe that you're dumb so i was like okay i don't know well i remember people freaking out not around me but i remember hearing

about it everywhere this was also probably different than Y2K because everyone had Internet now. Right. So that is true. So it was probably hotter than Y2K. It was actually trending places. People had phones in their pocket. And now our age was like on online and being like, oh, no, this one's the real. Like, I feel like when we were younger, it wasn't relevant. But now, like our generation's using the Internet and talking about it yeah some of us had memories of y2k so it was just like something like a jumping point um i remember going into stores and seeing ads everywhere for like survival boot

camps which apparently like shit apparently their numbers went up like crazy or their clientele went up like crazy i remember hearing that like bunkers were being made years in advance like in 2007 and 8 people were making bunkers that would be ready by 2012 i remember there being um at our the grocery store that was at my school was called harris teeter and i remember they just had like overflow of like freeze-dried emergency food as like their the thing they were trying to sell off the racks and it was i mean people were buying it like crazy thinking that they needed emergency food oh lord do you know what my favorite i remember heidi and spencer of the hills yeah of course they i remember reading something someone fact check me that they like they so excited to hear whatever this is apparently they spent like most of the money

they made from the hills like on purpose because they thought 2012 was the end of the world no oh so they you mean not on like a prepper you mean they spent it just to be like, well, the world's ending. We might as well go out with a bang. Just to spend it. Yeah. Girl, what? No. What are you thinking? I think Heidi Spencer 2012 money.

I don't know what to type in. I think that's probably good. Okay. HuffPost. Heidi Montag Spencer Pratt spent $10 million anticipating Mayan apocalypse. $10 million? I mean apocalypse. $10 million? I mean, that's a lot of dollars. Okay, in a recent interview,

Pratt revealed he and Montag spent all their cash before Doomsday. So you were 100% right. We've made and spent at least $10 million. The thing is, we heard that the planet was going to end in 2012. We thought we've got to spend this money before the asteroid hits dude come on here's some advice this is a quote for

them here isn't it some advice definitely do not spend your money thinking asteroids are coming uh great i needed that information thank you i would give my friends 15 grand for their birthday. Christine, are you listening? Just cash. I would buy people cars. Every valet I met got a couple of hundred pounds tip. I would pay people $200 just to open doors for us. Holy shit. People were like, whoa, these guys are really generous. Yeah, they had to have like in today's world where there's like tiktokers that

are servers and they talk about serving celebrities oh yeah i wonder if they're like oh shit like if i ever there must have been rumors in the serving industry of like imagine like in 2013 though when they tip like a normal 20 you're like what the fuck i thought you gave out hundreds anyway wow fair so that was my favorite i remember hearing about that and being like what and that is bananas i had no idea and 10 10 million is like a shockingly large amount of money like i wow wow i'll never know that i'll never know that number i just thought you were gonna say like oh they spent like a hundred thousand dollars right before but 10 million like they were trying to go through i remember something about them like trying to blow through everything they'd ever made which is like just like wild because like

what if you're wrong and the world ends and you've got a mansion that you have to like pay rent on or something i don't know how buying a mansion works, but probably like that. That sounds right. You're still renting. Yeah. I mean, don't those fucking YouTubers rent mansions? Like, I think people do. Anyway, I thought that was crazy. So people really did think the world was a lot of people thought the world was ending, especially the people who have really like leaned into this after they believed in y2k and that didn't happen so now they're really almost probably hoping for it just so they're not proven wrong twice

one guy actually spent more than a hundred thousand dollars building his own noah's ark which like how is that gonna help who said a flood was coming he's like oh you said a meteor i thought you said a flood it's like boy yeah and like are you really we've all also thought like noah really collected two of every animal like was this guy gonna do that or was he did he just want to fucking arc you know he's just like i have my dog that's it right yeah anyway so i think that was kind of crazy. There were NASA scientists who were getting asked constantly about if an asteroid was coming, if the world was ending. There's one NASA scientist named David Morrison who said that he was getting emails from adults and children saying that they wanted to know how the world was going to end so they could accordingly plan to end the suffering in advance. Oh, what?

If you know what I'm saying. what oh my gosh oh no so people were truly prepping to hurt themselves and end their own lives before the actual end of the world came so they didn't have to suffer people were also apparently reaching out to him on advice on i'm so sorry christine on when to euthanize their animals. Oh, my God. To prevent them from suffering ahead of time. And those that's just a couple people that sent in emails like that. Imagine the people who really just did it.

You know, I was going to say, and you know that where there's like a couple examples of that it's probably more widespread and that's fucking terrifying and it probably there's someone out there who probably did something and they thought they were sad saving their pets maybe saving their families because they thought they were it was a more peaceful way i don't know that is so sad um discovery channel put out a television documentary about it about the 2012 theory but it only freaked people out even more so like i mean not to like have brought such a bummer into this but really people were freaking i mean it was like a genuine it's like it's like a good example of like how serious people took this it wasn't just like kids on the playground like us being like ah you know it wasn't just heidi and spencer it was it wasn't just heidi and spencer it was people truly

contemplating their lives and also like think of the i i i think it was probably already not very ethical then but think of today's world think of how companies would be like exploiting like bunker businesses and like, Oh, place your stocks here or do this. I feel like it would become almost like talk would be just a nightmare. Oh my God.

And you know, eventually there's going to be another doomsday thing and we're going to hear about it. 2020. I feel like everyone's exhausted from the doomsday thing, but in probably five years, they're going to be like, Hey,

remember when we all thought the world was ending? Think of the generation that hasn't think of the generations that haven't even been born yet and one day they're gonna be like our parents in 2020 just got to like work from home like wow my lord to be them to live like them and they're like totally negating like why we had to be home they're probably just gonna think it's really sad because they don't have to work at all because we live in 2023 like they had to keep working like what's that like so uh one theory actually one so now i'm going to give you some theories about why the calendar predicted this would be the end of the world um and by the way the calendar did not predict that this was the end of the world. To be fair, that was the interpretation of a select number. People just saw that a calendar ended.

Can you imagine someone not totally understanding a normal US everyday calendar? A Gregorian calendar. And they saw December 31st and went, oh my God, that's got to be the end. It's like, no, you just don't know how a fucking calendar works. Yeah. We go back afterwards. We started it all over again it's really fun yeah exactly so one of the theories uh as to why the world's ending is people thought there was some sort of galaxy alignment problem people thought that the milky way i remember that so the milky way is shaped like a disc and it is

a thousand light years thick and it is a hundred thousand light years wide she's a big girl she's a big girl and uh the sun is 30 light years from the center of the Milky Way. And it moves around. So one trip takes around 200 million years. Okay. And the very center of our galaxy is a supermassive black hole. And the sun is always aligned with it in some way. Supermassive black hole. Yeah. That's my favorite song.

What are you talking about? It's a song by Muse. And one time you covered black holes and I was like, supermassive. And you were like, why do you keep doing that? And I was like? It's a song by Muse. And one time you covered Black Holes and I was like, super massive. And you were like, why do you keep doing that? And I was like, it's a song. I'm apparently still there because I forgot that conversation. And now two times in a row, I've been like, what? I'm sure you know it.

I probably do. Oh, baby, I'm a fool for you. Okay, never mind. I'll stop. Keep going. No, don't. If you say it one more time, I will. Okay, never mind. Maybe. I'll stop. Keep going. No, don't. If you say it one more time, I will. So let's stop right now.

So people, I guess the sun always aligns with the center of the galaxy, but sometimes the earth also aligns and all three of them are in a row. Apparently this won't happen again for like 4 million years. That's probably good. Apparently this won't happen again for like 4 million years. That's probably good. But people, it did happen, I guess, in December 21st, 2012. The sun was crossing the galactic equator, which is such a badass sentence.

And people thought that meant that all three might line up. And if they did, this would disrupt Earth's gravity and thus destroy the planet you know i think that's why people were scared too because when you put it in these like fancy words that like a lay person wouldn't understand like it's tempting to be like oh well you would know better than i would you know what i mean like if someone can explained it so convincingly i'd probably be like oh that doesn't sound good yeah i mean i all it takes is big words for me to check out and just kind of roll with whatever you're saying. Be like, yep, got it. I'm easy to trick.

I'll tell you. So another theory is the Planet X conspiracy, where there's this author named Zakaria Stitchin, which sounds like a Harry Potter name. How mystical. Like, oh, I'm Zakaria Stitchin. I'm like, oh my God, I'm just i'm like oh my god i'm just m schultz i'm so embarrassed i'm just m schultz and i hate myself now thanks a lot whatever you have to say you're right and you are correct so this author um he wrote the 12th planet and he also translated

ancient sumerian texts which apparently spoke of an additional planet in our solar system we did not know about oh my um he claimed that the text suggested an alien race called the anunaki on a planet called nibiru oh okay i don't know how true this is let's be starting to sound like star trek a little bit giving Giving QAnon a little bit. Maybe they're right and I don't know, but I have never heard of it before. I'm going to need some extra facts before I fall for it. He says that this alien race visited Earth thousands of years ago.

They actually were in control of us and eventually turned us into humans from apes. So I immediately don't believe this um just so we're clear so this immediately wipes out evolution let's be clear on that yeah eventually they left earth but now they're coming back that's the theory and one believer of this claim that he's actually made uh they've actually made telepathic contact with this alien race and they told her that nibiru and earth would soon collide into each other and apparently that would happen in 2003 it obviously did not happen and then she changed her tune and was like oh actually it'll be 2012 so there's the theory okay sure um i'm many not many people i also especially since 2012 was 11 years

ago and we're still here i'm really right just one more bullet and i'll fall for it but yeah also um astronomers and astrophysicists both said that this could have never even been true because if another planet was about to collide into ours it would have been the brightest thing in the sky and we would have seen it with our naked eyes um another theory is that there's this red super giant star called beetlejuice love her yeah and beetlejuice this star apparently is dying and when a star is dying it can go into supernova and that's supposed to happen very far from now like hundreds of thousands of years oh okay when a star goes into supernova it's when the outside of the star explodes which that is my version of a dad explaining something because if your dad were here he would take like so appreciate this three hours to explain what a supernova was

i'm so thankful you mean if eva's dad was here i i don't know i'm sure my dad doesn't know how a fucking supernova works but i'm i'm talking to you the way that we wish our dads would talk to us about thank you car goes boom with a supernova star goes boom oh see now it all makes sense yeah okay so uh people thought that since the super giant star is dying maybe it would go into supernova and that would happen on doomsday which like it's so wild that they were like well maybe since that day already has so much bad written all over it that will just be the day that a star explodes even though it's not supposed to happen for a hundred thousand years right right right even if it did happen scientists have told us it's way too far away it would have not

affected us and people thought that this would cause the world anyway to experience geomagnetic reversal aka the magnetism of the earth would flip north would become south our compasses would freak out we wouldn't know how to travel anywhere our maps would be fucked up we would that sounds bad uh gps's would glitch out because of that again planes would fall out of the sky sounds like similar to the y2k thing they also said that if the star went into supernova then we would have solar storms which would come in and burn us alive oh cool reminder for future potential doomsday predictions. Geomagnetic reversals don't just happen.

It happens like once every like 40 million years. Oh, really? And when it has happened, the world did not end. Oh, I wonder what does happen. That just sounds like it would be terrible, but I guess not. Well, 40 million years ago, GPS is glitched out for sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

My TomTom isn't working. Oh, wait. TomTom is a 2012 reference for sure. To be fair, you put me in that headspace. Yeah. If you don't know what a TomTom is, think Google Maps, but just fucking terrible. Think Garmin. Just kidding.

You don't know what that is either um another theory is that the uh i guess the sun has an 11 year cycle and at its peak activity that is called the solar maximum this feels like i'm talking about a wizard's quest it really feels like you're saying a different band name every five minutes. Yeah. Solar Maximum would be a great band name. Solar Maximum. That apparently also caused solar storms and flares. And these solar storms would cause massive blackouts. It would take down our global communication. It would damage transformers and equipment and it would take years to repair.

It would be very apocalyptic if we had a solar storm. it would be very apocalyptic if we had a solar storm um apparently in 2012 but in july uh a powerful solar storm actually did just barely miss earth and oh no that's not a good sign uh it would have been really bad if it actually hit earth but it was perfect timing to start terrifying us for like three months from then or whatever i could see why people would be like well look at that solar flare yeah exactly like that could have been bad the other one isn't going to miss us so december 21 2012 shows up and nothing happens and people are like oh what the fuck like twice now this is happening? Twice I'm being embarrassed? Since then, people have had a whole bunch of theories as to why we missed the apocalypse because they refused to believe it just didn't happen.

So my personal favorite, which you already kind of nodded to, and we all have, I think most people have heard this, I've certainly heard this, is that, oh, well, our calendars were just off. It's like, okay. So then one would think maybe even the quote Mayan calendar also was something we shouldn't read into, but whatever. But people said our Gregorian calendar is off.

And if you add up all the, it's off by a certain amount of days. And if you add up the days over time, we actually ended up being eight years off of our calendar and so very interestingly 2012 actually happens in 2020 which is they weren't wrong and that that one gives me a little shiver me timbers because i was about to because i think i just got goose cam like really seriously that's that's a little creepy that would be interesting i don't know if i fully believe it but it is a very silly coincidence and also it's i do remember that's creepy dude i remember people saying that way before 2020 if i only started hearing about it on 2020 i'd be like oh now

we're looking for explanations yes but but i do remember people saying oh 2020 is the year that one's really gonna mess us up because we were eight years off boy who cries cried wolf so we're like okay yeah 2020 so scary it ends up actually being a nightmare if you predict something's gonna happen every year eventually you're gonna be right so that's a fair point that is a fair point like eventually something terrible is gonna happen but man 2020 i mean how many i don't think there's a person out there these days who hasn't said 2020 felt like the end of the world it was the end of the world to a lot of people it was it was certainly it was certainly symbolically metaphorically the end of a world we knew because fair point time has changed since and we really can't go back to a world pre-2020

i mean we can try but people are going to talk about it um so however as bad as things are if that's true we technically survived the apocalypse. If 2020 is 2012, we survived. But instead of, here's another theory too, is like, oh, well, did we survive the apocalypse? Like, was that the rapture and all of us that have survived? Are we just like leftovers? The heathens unite. like leftovers. The heathens unite. And instead of choosing another date to prepare for because 2012 technically didn't happen, I guess they picked 2020. But some conspiracy theorists just

thought like, oh, 2012 did happen. Like, I wonder if they just like after Y2K and 2012, they were like, we don't want to pick a third date. Yeah, they were like, this is getting really embarrassing, guys. We need to dig our heels in and double down so they tried to gaslight us even harder and they were like no the end of the world happened and you just didn't notice sorry awkward you didn't even notice and that really is their theory that the world ended in 2012 and we just don't know it what do you even mean not you them so this theory took off in 2019 on twitter that's seven years ago in 2012 the end of the world happened and since then we have been shifted into a simulation oh okay now you're talking now i'm like maybe i was like you're not into it but you're about to be into it so like

literally the moment my boyfriend dumped me in an airport it was like yeah you dissociating was actually you being uploaded to a new game software it's been so much better ever since so i don't mind at all i'm happy to be here so apparently our minds when uploaded to this simulation didn't notice the time shift and so it felt like our lives didn't change at all. That's a very convenient explanation. Isn't it always convenient with a conspiracy theorist of like, oh, it happened and you didn't even notice. And so there's no way to prove that I'm wrong. Yeah, it's like, yes, it's always that double edged thing of like, well, you can't not prove it. Yeah, it's like, OK, I guess so.

Let me smile through this pain. of it yeah it's like okay i guess so let me smile through this pain so if this shift into a simulation did happen yeah this is also where conspiracy theorists just are grasping at straws to make points but i guess it if i were a conspiracy theorist i would probably fall for it i'd at least think oh that's a nice touch to your creativity. People think in this shift into a simulation, it would explain things such as glitches in the matrix or mass memory errors like the Mandela effect. Because our consciousness, it might have been warped during the shift. That's kind of creepy. We're all trying to remember a time before now and it's all kind of cluttered. And the one thing we remember is the series Berenstain Bears.

That's all we can remember. Bingo. Bingo. Anyway, I do think that's creative. It is. It's creative. Don't get me wrong. Another theory about the simulation is that in 2012, another big thing that people talked about was the existence of the higgs boson particle being confirmed um do you remember hearing about that at all yeah i remember that

being a humongous deal um it is a big deal um explain it to me again all in i i know that like i heard stories about like it's going to be the reason we can time travel one day and all the crazy stuff. It became like a sensation. Stephen Hawking said that it would also, it had the potential to lead to the entire universe's destruction. Oh, and then we're like, we time travel. It's like, get me out of here. Is anyone listening? Apparently, if it wanted to or if it did destroy the universe, it would create a vacuum that ate the entire universe. I like if it wanted to.

Like if it had free will. If it was hungry enough, it could eat the entire universe. I've been that hungry. It's possible. I mean, to be fair, you might be this particle. So maybe that did happen and we got eaten into our universe and somehow got shifted into a different reality. Or maybe that's when we got uploaded into the simulation so we wouldn't feel the pain of being eaten up in a black hole. That's thoughtful.

Some people believe this shit and it's crazy. It's a little much. Here's my personal favorite. And I want to believe it's so fucking bad. And you'll know why. I want to believe it's so fucking bad. And you'll know why. Some people think that the simulation is being run by our future descendants observing what life was like before them.

Ew. I just got chills. So it's like they're going through a photo album of us, but they're playing Sims with us. So are we. Can you hear me? Hello. We are on to you we are we becoming self-aware are you gonna put me in a pool and take out the ladder now because i'm becoming so self-aware get me out please i want out um anyways that's my personal favorite that like our own descendants are in charge of what happens to us, which is incredibly creepy.

Yeah. Um, and a final theory is that if the world has already ended there, there's a chance by the way, there's no chance, but, um, okay. That the only reason that, that our simulation, the simulation we're in was created because our reality split when 2012 did end. So the end of the world happened, doomsday apocalypse, and our consciousness somehow split from our physical body. And now we are living in a world created by a mass consciousness. And in the other world where our physical bodies are they died in 2012 and all of our brains are just ghost consciousness of who we were

ew what okay did you ever watch severance that show it's so like if it's really good it's really really good it has um adam scott in it as the lead lead. And it's kind of like a dystopian, like creepy sci-fi like series. But it's really good. But basically the concept, and this is not a spoiler, but the concept is that it's like a dystopian world where you can split yourself or create, put your consciousness into like another version of yourself that goes to work but that but you don't know what happens at work and your work person your work self doesn't know what happens at home i have not seen the show so but it seems lovely in practice i'm yeah that's kind of the point is like of course it's like supposed to be like utopian and then it's like but you're putting a consciousness that you just don't you can ignore it but then it's like supposed to be like utopian and then it's like but you're putting a consciousness that you just don't you can ignore it but then it's like stuck forever at work so also part of

you is always there it's very creepy it's like a very creepy concept and they do such a good job where they it's kind of like they start to like realize what's going it's it's a good spooky show if anyone needs like a something sounds really cool it's very good um and adam scott is so good in like a drama believe it or not i could believe that for sure um also the drama parks and rec he was incredible and so fair point the the heavy hard-hitting drama parks the ups the downs this way that away so many um so a lot of people think that apparently we split off and we're just living in a world created by our own psyches and our bodies are dead somewhere um this could very well have been caused in this theory by the hadron collider or the the accelerator

that showed us that the higgs boson particle was possible. Many conspiracy theorists think that the Hadron Collider has the ability to get us to time travel, space travel, astral travel. And so they think maybe the machine malfunctioned and warped our reality or maybe other realities are seeping in a la Stranger Things. Spooky. Fun fact, in 26, nope, in 2016, my brain just exploded apparently. In 26. I was like, what's that? Fun fact, in 2016, they had to turn off the accelerator because of a power outage caused by a weasel who chewed on one of the cords is it jeff the mongoose no but it's definitely jeff the mongoose

maybe what it's i am the ninth dimension actually that i'm literally he's like i am not getting enough attention hello that's me that actually tracks fully that he's from another reality and he decided to fucking chew the wire and end the world because of it get me back to my own town um here's the silly thing after 2016 when a weasel chewed through one of the transformers or something and shut a town this happened again another weasel at some point how many weasels are in this fucking lab who's happened again another weasel at some point how many weasels are in this fucking lab who's letting all these weasels in and also if you're trying to break in to see the hadron collider apparently you can do it via weasel like i would oh good

you know like tie a gopro onto your weasel they'll find out that's what i'm saying like a la home alone use your rc controlled weasel they're apparently not noticing the rampant weasel apparently there's an there's a hole they haven't found where they're getting in in and out so are they just like going in and like fucking around with the higgs boson particle and there's just like weasels all over the place and they just don't they're like ah just again anyway apparently twice it has happened but then conspiracy theorists have been like which finally i agree with a conspiracy theorist they're like there's no fucking way that like one of the most max security science labs had two different weasels on two different days chew

through the hadron collider that is in charge of our higgs boson particle so they're saying it's a fucking conspiracy so they're thinking it's a fucking conspiracy? So they're thinking it's a cover-up for maybe the machine malfunctioned in a different way and caused this split in reality. Oh, boy. And they're just using weasels as an excuse. Another weasel. It worked the first time when we told you.

Eventually, pet control has to be brought out, right? Animal control has to go. Imagine them being like, we can't tell if it really was another weasel. And they're like, they're literally not going to believe us. And it's like, well. I get that it's a lab, so maybe they have mice or something. But if you told me yesterday that there were weasels there, I wouldn't have even. It's a rampant weasel problem.

Why are two loose? Are there more? Where are where are maybe it's the same one m maybe he's just like fucking maybe he's wily he's like maybe he ate the one and then he was like i can't stop thinking about it and his family was like please don't do it again it was so dangerous he's like i won't get the taste out of my mouth until i have another bite of that whatever particle i think i figured it out so we can add to the hadron collider that it's yummy it's tasty well you know what i learned from my dad stepdad speaking of car all his car knowledge um a squirrel chewed through all my wiring in my car uh years ago and the reason they try to get into into the hood of your car is because the the wires or at least the older cars the wires have peanut they have peanut

oil on them do you think they use peanut oil on the hadron collider maybe they use peanut butter they were like this let's just stick it together oh my god but i just i i mean at least that's what my stepdad told me if i'm wrong wrong, you know, that's embarrassing on me. But apparently in old cars, there's like peanut oil in on some of the wiring. Wouldn't cars just smell like Thai peanut sauce all the time? I mean, I think it's like a very amazing small amount. And I think it's old cars because mine was from the 90s. To rats, it would smell like Thai peanut sauce.

Yeah. That's why they were going over there. Yeah. So squirrels apparently like to get in there. Yeah. Hmm. I understand. I'd like a car if it smelled like that.

Oh, here we go. In many cars, the insulation protecting the wires is made with plant-based materials such as rice husks, soy, or peanut oil. Mice can be particularly drawn to these smells and chew up wire insulation when other food sources are scarce see it sounds like it was trying to be helpful in one way and ended up creating its own other problem so who did oh the oh the actual yeah it's like we're gonna make it like an efficient plant-based car nobody thought about it no like okay but like animals are gonna eat through those wires and you're not going to have a car. Oh, yeah.

Anyway, so the 2012 apocalypse theory is solely based on loose, loose evidence, but those who support it do say that they haven't felt right since 2012, although that could be equated to the fact that the older you get, the faster time moves. I see. And a lot of shit has happened since 2012 so maybe the world just feels like it's flying by because we're dealing with more bullshit than before um it's true it's fair so we don't we don't really know the reason it could be black holes it could be weasels or it could just be like we're getting older so they're all equally terrifying oh yeah black hole weasel and aging all very bad and

scary and as of right now i i next doomsday date like when's the next one coming currently we oh i nationaltoday.com i don't even know if that's a good source it says may 20th may 21st 2024 apparently so are you being serious that's the next one um also summertime instead of christmas abc news says uh 2023 doomsday clock this is how close we are to the apocalypse fun so there's that if you want to like be old school y2k and like put together a time capsule with your girlies like maybe this is the time to do it um by the way like speaking of y2k like time capsules were the rage of the time because that's so true i didn't even think of that they were we really had like a time capsule era as we were like how will anybody know know about the magic of an iPod Nano if we don't put one in a box and bury it underground?

It's like, because we'll make more and they'll be probably much better. Can you imagine? So time capsules, I really do remember, like my school did a time capsule. The heyday. It was a heyday of a time capsule. Nickelodeon did a, like, live streamed a time capsule. I'm still, I still want to know what's in that time capsule. When does that get to come out? Because still want to know what's in that time capsule when does that

get to come out because i want to know i don't know but i remember the like the way it was buried looked really cool too nickelodeon in slime capsule it was like buried it oh wait every item so they they tell us what's in it already oh perfect oh here and here's a picture of the um of the actual time capsule it looks like slime is inside of it. It's very cool. Wait, after Nickelodeon Studios closed in 05, the time capsule was moved to Orlando and will be opened April 30th, 2042.

Oh, we're so close. I'm so old. That seems so far away. A piece of the Berlin Wall was in there. Oh, wow. That's all right. That was Linda Ellerby. Linda Ellerby was in there. Oh, wow. That's all right. That was Linda Ellerby.

Linda Ellerby was in charge of that decision. She was the only one doing anything smart on Nickelodeon back then. Oh, my God. So I don't know if you saw the picture, but it looks like slime is buried inside of it. Super cool. I didn't. It's in Gio's trio. Oh, that's neat. Oh, they did a good job with that.

I remember as a child thinking i'm gonna i'm gonna see that thing get open one day that was like my big thing i was like can we open it now i have like no patience i was like i think it's okay to just do it now you know it'd be crazy though if in those time capsules like let's say the world ends it and people then open up the time capsules if we just put in a normal fucking calendar in there and now people we do it all over again and everyone thinks a december 31st is that's exactly it just doesn't make sense i will end on this since we're talking about it if you had to put together a time capsule right now what would you want to put in it it either could be a personal time capsule or it could be like what do you think the world needs to know about a lemon lemon

petrified lemon he'll survive the nuclear holocaust for sure he will not that's a fact nothing will kill him um what he is a bit of a roach he is a little roach he probably would love to be just buried in a time capsule um you mean what do you and maybe with me with um maybe some tarot cards. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. I have no idea. I don't either.

I feel like mine would be like the meanest time capsule ever because I think I would pick things that weren't even from this time just to fuck with someone. You'd be an asshole. You'd draw like a picture of me and be like, this is the ugliest person in 2023. And be like, thanks a lot. Okay, but that's a timeless timeless joke people would still think it was funny you really did just laugh way too hard at that and i'm now i'm nervous we should do it and that's why we drink time capsule i feel like uh we could put some booze in there some wine and by the time it's open it's like either really skunked or like has aged to perfection i was gonna say we

could just put grapes in there and you just still ferment into wine by the time we're done perfect except knowing me i'll go dig it up two days later and be like it's not wine yet we'll put some of your zoloft in there for you and some of my xanax in there for me so when we're opening it if we get stressed like we've hooked ourselves up you know i love giving future me gifts yes but i know that also i will be like oh i'm running low on Klonopin. And I'll be like, where did we bury that thing? And then I'd go dig it up and be like, it must have been a squirrel. We put peanut oil in there.

So he probably got into my Xanax. I don't know what to tell you. I do think that we should build a time capsule and then just put a bunch of presents to future us in there. And then when we dig it up in like 10 years, we just have like a big party and open our gifts to ourselves. That actually sounds fun. Did I tell you that I actually did bury a time capsule once or a box of treasure, actually? No, that's very fun.

What is it? It was super fun. So like my like pseudo stepdad growing up, he and my brother and I created like. um he and my brother and i created like so he actually had this uh box that was like an army grade metal box that was like totally perfectly sealed and like weather resistant and so he's like wouldn't it be fun if we made like a time capsule and buried it in the park and we were like hell yeah so we put all sorts of stuff in like we each wrote a little note i think i was probably like six uh or maybe so it's giving y2k maybe literally it could be um and we wrote all these little things in it and then uh i remember we put just some tchotchkes and like stuff that i don't know seemed relevant at the time uh and then we put a note with our names and a phone number and like

years later i got this facebook message and this guy said i found your treasure box shut up he said i was metal detecting and i found it and i'm like i mean this was like probably 12 years later and i was like and i'd forgotten about it completely and he's like are you friends with this person now are you gonna is it was it blazed did you get married and have a baby with them honestly let's go with that version it's it's it's much more romantic but the guy was like i found it in the park and we were like holy crap and like brian my stepdad didn't even like live in the town anymore so the number he had put was his landline which was like not connected or so what he did was like he

found me on Facebook which obviously back in the 90s we wouldn't have known but he's like so I found your name and like looked you up and messaged you and um he's like do you want it and I was like yeah and so I went and picked it up and I brought him like a gift like I don't know I brought him a gift to be like thanks for giving it back to me I guess and it was so wild to have it um but i remember like calling my calling brian and being like oh look what like he found it and i was going through all the items and he was like well where's the like porcelain teacup thing and i was like it's not here and we were like he stole it mofo stole it thinking it was valuable and he goes jokes on him that was like from the dollar store oh man he stole it and it was like a silver spoon and it like looked fancy but it like really was not

um so he man i really i fully was falling in love with this person until yeah i know he broke i was i was mad because i was like i brought him so much like german chocolate as like a present he had to feel like garbage but he probably couldn't go upstairs and be like oh let me put this back oh i forgot to give you the the shiny pieces that were in there but um but yeah so that anyway so that that happened and that was pretty cool and then one time i tried and then i tried to bury another one and the park police were like stop digging up the ground in this park and i was like sorry so i didn't my only problem i mean i as someone who loves time travel loves presence to future me there is nothing that makes more sense to me than to be continually putting out time capsules around the globe just continuous like every every couple weeks yeah um

but i know my problem would be that i would forget where it was and like oh for sure and like what if someone i go and look for it one day and a fucking house is built on top of it like i would be so butthurt i'd be like um it would be like a long con you'd have to be like are you looking for a roommate and then they'd be like why do you have an extensive shovel collection new roommate you need to know the blueprint of our basement so well? Anyway, that was the 2012 apocalypse doomsday situation. That was such a good story and also like such a good just like throwback. Holy crap. You really nailed it.

Good job to you, Anne. Thank you. Well, especially because apparently I'm learning TikTok is her algorithm is algorithming. And I have found myself learning more about the Gen Z fashion of today. And Y2K is back, baby. So it really is. And I feel like my favorite are the ones that are like, oh, yeah, Gen Z, why don't you really commit and wear like jeans under your dress you know what the day you wear jeans on your dress fine like y2k is back but like don't fucking half-ass it

yeah exactly like why don't you wear the jeans that the second there's a puddle outside you're fucked and like oh the flare it like immediately just sopping muddy wet jeans people are like why why are millennials so into the skinny jeans and the and the tight joggers and it's like it's like we we ran through those puddles and through those puddles and through we want things stuck to us now so we know everything's going to be dry and clean when we get home yeah i can't do any more muddy trailing mud around with my jeans it's so unpleasant it really is like um i'm at the age now where I've seen fashion come and go a few times and I want to keep up with the Joneses. And like I want like I still I don't want to, you know, fall into obscurity.

Like I I want to keep up with the times and stuff. But I've seen why those fashions don't work anymore. And so I so badly want to make sure that like my look is like fresh and cool. But at the same time, I'm like, I know in 10 years, all these people are going to look at pictures and be like, why on earth did I dress like that? I look like so I look so stupid. And yeah, and I feel like it's never going to last. So why even why even be part of it? Because then like in five years, you're going to look like a loser who isn't up to date. You know what I mean? It's like it's never gonna last so why even why even be part of it because then like in five years you're gonna look like a loser who isn't up to date you know what i mean it's like it's exhausting either

either i look cool now and like knowing i'll hate it later and look like a dorkus yeah kind of hating it anyway right now but i'm just like trying to fit in or i don't do it and look like a loser now but get to say i told you so later so like precisely anyway it's really a lose-lose situation if you're gen z and wearing what you're wearing everyone wear what you wear by the way but at the same time just wear what you want we thought we looked cool too and this is your time is your time to shine but in 10 years someone else will have a different idea and we we all fall into obscurity i guess you know just just be like slightly mentally prepared in the back of your mind that like

maybe it's not always a good idea you'll understand why we like a skinny jean one day i promise one day they'll come back and i'll be like fuck i threw mine away exactly so annoying it's so annoying anyway it's your time to shine now, Christine. Regale me. Regale me. You nailed it. I have quite a story for you today. I want to tell you the fun, it's not fun name, but the catchy name to this story, but it's

going to give you a spoiler, so I'll tell you once that spoiler has been out of the way. Okay. But this is the case of victoria nasirova and it is a doozy so we're just going to jump right in because uh there is not like too much background information before the actual like events of this story occur uh that we have access to so I'm just going to jump right in. So there was a woman living in New York City named Olga Tzivik, and she was a Ukrainian immigrant in her late 20s. And she was living in New York City as a licensed cosmetologist and was notably a lash technician specializing in eyelash extensions.

OK, so Olga herself, she was reliable, professional, and she had a studio in Brooklyn where she did all of her work out of. She had her appointments in her Brooklyn lash studio. She was described as trusting and kind, and she did her best to accommodate all of her clients except one woman. This one woman put Olga on edge, and her name was Victoria Naserova. Victoria Naserova was a Russian immigrant who became a client at Olga's salon and would regularly get her lashes done there. But for some reason, and this, it's like a go with your gut thing.

some reason and this it's like a go with your gut thing for some reason from the time she became olga's client victoria tried really hard to strike up a friendship with the lash technician with olga but olga was just like not having it and olga was a very friendly and open-minded person but she was like something is rubbing me the wrong way about this woman and you know was perfectly cordial with her kept her as a client but just did not want to meet outside of work to become friends listen to your gut feeling folks listen to it yes on top of that uneasy feeling there was something else very strange about victoria that made her uncomfortable and that is that they looked almost exactly alike. Ew. I know.

Like, Victoria struck Olga as her own doppelganger. And it's just, like, eerie. I'm going to send you a photo. And I think, like, the notable thing here, too, is that, you know, our researcher made a note here, too. Like, you think about it. you know, our researcher made a note here too, like you think about it and if you are told by somebody like, oh, they look just like you or you look like that celebrity, oftentimes you don't see it. You know what I mean? But she looked at her and went, oh no, like we're basically twins. Yeah, exactly. So let me send you a photo of the two of them just to give you like an example. And so the woman on the left is Olga, the lash so um the woman on the left is olga

the lash technician the woman on the right is victoria oh that is creepy right it's just it just looks like one of them is wearing more loud makeup compared to the other exactly it almost looks like if the woman on the left could be dressed up as a woman on the right like so okay my first thought is evil twin. My next thought is evil relative. And then my third more wild thought is like a stalker who was so obsessed with her that she is trying to get surgeries to become her. Or like a spy who's in disguise or something i like that evil twin was like not the wildest theory you came up with you're like evil twin of course uh i recently saw the triplet documentary where there's like they were

that's such a good movie it's very good and i watched it on an airplane yeah me too oh my gosh it's such a good airplane movie you know what's a really good airplane podcast on delta exclusive um is rituals but not and that's why we drink yet i can't wait one day and that's why the drink will be on there delta are you listening um sometimes i go on there and i just play rituals and then i mute my volume and i just go about my business and do other stuff but i'm like but then i'll just be playing it for the number for yeah for like the one download that they think that it will get I don't know it's it's like just not really rational but um okay so this woman looked really similar to Olga and she if I met someone who looked like me and wanted to

be friends I'd be like cool we can play evil twin pranks on people but like apparently Olga was like no I don't want to be part of this so I feel like my first thing I'd be like what is the situation why you can't possibly have walked in here and not be thinking what I'm thinking and who are yeah exactly exactly which is weird because I feel like they didn't even really talk about it so Victoria kept pushing to be Olga's friend which again like red flag if you're like no thank you and someone like won't drop it red flag olga just kept dodging her advances until august of 2016 when victoria reached out to olga and said i need this i shouldn't laugh because this might be a real thing she said i need an emergency lash appointment. And Olga was like, it's funny to me.

I'm sorry. Because like, maybe it's a thing. And like, I feel like if you're going to a wedding or like whatever. Okay, I get it. Sure, sure. I've needed emergency things for events. I've needed emergency spray tans. I get it.

Okay. But basically, she's like, I just have a really tight schedule. And Olga was like, I don't have any available appointments. And Victoria was like, you need to see me. Like, so pushy. And Olga was like, you know what? Fine. She's a licensed cosmetologist.

So she's like, fine, I'll make an exception. Come to my apartment and I'll do your lashes at my place. Oh, so now she's got her address, right? Well, I guess she already. Didn't she already if she was already working out of her own apartment? No, she never worked out of her apartment. She had a studio in Brooklyn, but since it was, quote unquote, an emergency and Victoria kept pushing it, she's like, OK, you know what? Just come over to my place and I'll do them for you.

And now she's got the address. In between clients. And now she has the address. So on August 28th, 2016,oria arrived for her appointment at olga's apartment as a gesture of thanks she had brought some baked goods with her and they were three small like kind of bars of cheat like cheesecake bars that she said came from a world famous new york city bakery so they're hanging out they're doing their thing victoria eats two of the cheesecake pieces and then insists Olga eats the third.

Olga ate the whole bar. It's like it wasn't that big and immediately felt ill. Immediately. Within minutes, she was vomiting profusely. She then began to get extremely dizzy and she lost consciousness. She then began to get extremely dizzy and she lost consciousness. What Victoria had done was that she had laced this slice of cheesecake with a drug called finazepam. And finazepam is a potent sedative that is prescribed in Russia for seizures, anxiety

and sleep disorders. You know, I feel like we've we're probably familiar with several azepam drugs. There's clonazepam, lorazepam. They're all just very like they change your brain chemistry, that kind of thing. So finazepam is a pretty intense medication. And when misused, like overdosed into a cheesecake bar, it can cause comas, death and retrograde amnesia. Oh, my God. Weirdly, according to some sources,

finazopam can be more dangerous in extreme heat. And this is relevant because Victoria probably knew that fact because even though it was a hot day in August in Brooklyn or in New York City, she turned up the heat in olga's apartment all the way oh then she left olga in her apartment to die and just peaced out oh wow and that's okay yeah so according to a witness olga's neighbor victoria stopped by the next day. She had presumably, in my mind, she was coming to check if she had died, right? However, according to the neighbor, Victoria was carrying a container of soup with her. So she showed up and Olga was still alive. And Olga was conscious, but extremely out of it.

And she all she remembers is that this woman showed up with a container of soup, basically told her to eat it. And she was too out of it to resist. And it was also laced. So there's no for sure evidence. But that is what Olga believes. Olga believes there were more drugs in it because she didn't quote unquote finish the job the first time like she came with food that had more drugs in it in to check if she had died if she hadn't then like okay let's put her over the edge and

add more drugs to her system i mean like the last time someone said eat something you were drugged so i don't know if i would trust them what are the odds that this one's not exactly like and under the guise that you're checking on her like it doesn't my assumption is pretty sure there were drugs in there and that's what people believe but it's not you know factually confirmed so the neighbor watched as victoria walked downstairs cleaned the bowl of soup and then left the apartment the neighbor like thought which I'm I'm glad again see something say something I guess even in New York City um yeah the neighbor was like this is really odd and and started to worry about Olga probably thinking like oh maybe she's sick and this friend brought soup I'll go check it and see how she's

doing so he goes to check on her and he lets himself into her apartment and the first thing he notices is that it feels like a sauna inside. It is like boiling hot. This woman has turned the heat all the way up. He finds Olga in her bed and she is unconscious. She is wearing skimpy lingerie. And Victoria had put that on her. So she had been wearing sweatpants when Victoria arrived for the appointment. But Olga had been wearing sweatpants when victoria arrived for the appointment

but olga had been wearing sweatpants when victoria arrived for the appointment but then victoria had put this like sexy lingerie set on her and then scattered finazopam pills all around the bed oh to make it look like like to like either an overdose or a suicide attempt like unclear which one but basically like this this just happened um and that's how she had like staged the scene so olga's neighbor rushed over to her and incredibly she was still alive uh he took her to the hospital she was in and out of consciousness and she even entered a coma for a short while oh my god like she was very near death oh my god the hospital did a urine and blood analysis but they could find no illicit drugs in her um and so Olga was

released September 1st after three days of treatment and I guess like illicit drugs, they're thinking like heroin or I don't know. I don't know what they were searching for. I don't know why. They don't do like a full lab? I don't know why I would expect you to know that. Yeah, you'd think they would have found it. I don't quite know why that happened, but it's too bad.

Oh, sorry. You know what's, oh no, I was going to say what's interesting with like, even like vitamin deficiency, you have to like ask for that to be like a separate thing oh yeah and like your insurance probably won't cover it because they're like well i guess there's no full exclusive panel yeah yeah i feel like a full panel probably has very specific things in it like that aren't the actual full extent of what

you can search for and i guess if you're doing a drug test on someone like i don't know maybe because this is typically a russian drug maybe that's why it's not in oh yeah i'm not sure i'm not sure um so when she got home from the hospital she discovered that her apartment had been looted she was missing over three thousand dollars in cash jewelry she was missing her passport her working permits and so now are you catching on to why victoria was yeah yeah the evil twin to an extent but really when they interview olga on the 48 hours episode i watched she was like she wanted my identity like she yeah we looked so alike that she thought oh this is perfect i'll kill her take her id her passport bada bada bing bada boom i'm her now um and so that is what olga is convinced was the plan and i find that very compelling i find that pretty convincing the wild part is

though that detective kevin rogers immediately doubted olga's story she's like this woman drugged me and he's like you're just a drug user. Get out of my precinct. Just like did not even want to hear it. Thankfully, Olga refused to back down. So she collected the plastic tray that the cheesecake had been in from the garbage and turned it over as evidence. But police were like, oh, we already dropped that case and moved on. And basically abandoned Olga, like not only with no justice, but also the fear that like Victoria is going to find out she's still alive and finish the job.

Like, it's just a very scary situation that they left her in. Like, imagine any food you eat. You're like, did Victoria get her hands on this? Is she going to do it again? Like, is she going to try to kill me? I'd be like, homegirl looted my apartment you can't take a fingerprint sample in my house yeah that's not that's that's not enough so this is just another one of those cases christine where i just get mad the whole time well this one has a

little bit more um actually this next bullet might make you feel better several months later olga's neighbor finally came forward to police as a witness and detective rogers decided okay fine you know what like we have enough here we're going to open this case and uh he had to make a quote uncomfortable apology to olga and i hope you don't say fucking uncomfortable i hope it made you lose sleep hope it made you lose sleep and he reopened her case so police were now following victoria's trail but incidentally they were not the only ones looking for victoria done done done i told you i could harmonize. That was beautiful. Yeah. So what's happening meanwhile is that there's this man named Herman Weisberg, and he is a retired NYPD detective turned private investigator who is also simultaneously trying to track down Victoria Nasarova.

Now, this private detective who's like considered one of like the top private detectives, you know, he spent so long on the NYPD. He's very experienced and now he has his own business. He'd been hired by a woman named Nadia Ford, who was another Russian immigrant living in Brooklyn. And Nadia had grown up in Russia, dreamed of one day coming to the U.S., watching all the cartoons and American TV shows and sitcoms. And she decided to attend college in the U.S., get married, eventually get divorced. But now she is living in Brooklyn. Despite the divorce, she decided to stay. But she had a very, very, very close relationship with her mother, who she described as being everything to her

and ala alisenko is the name of her mother and she was a loving diligent woman who worked five jobs raising nadia and her sibling as a single mother through the 90s in russia like just a very loving but like hardcore hard-working woman and ever since she left Russia, Nadia said she spoke with her mother every single day on the phone. And I've seen that like when my mom moved to the US would in her 20s, like would call my grandma every single day because like, it's really hard, to move to a new country alone. And so there was never a day, never a day, that they did not speak on the phone. And there was never a day that her mother didn't answer the phone. One day, Allah had told Nadia about a new friend that she had made, a next door neighbor named Victoria Naserova. Okay.

And this is in the past. This is like a few years in the past. We're traveling. Sure. Victoria lived in the same apartment complex as Allah and they were fast friends. And Nadia was a little worried because Victoria sounded a little bit strange. And she knew that her mother was overly trusting of everyone she met. And so she's like, I feel like my mother's vulnerable.

And if you see I mean, you saw a photo of this woman um victoria like she does not look like a friend to play bridge with like a friend who'd be playing bridge with an elderly woman she looks like a party girl she has all she's like fully done up like all of it like she and she's very young like it she does not look like the type who would be befriending your elderly mother and so she's kind of giving like not in a bad way but like jersey shore kind of like she just looks like she's down for a good time not a long time you know there you go exactly so you know it's a little bit strange because like there's this elderly woman who's now like best friends with this like young party girl it just struck her daughter as weird, especially because she knew her mother was a little bit naive about people.

So Hala seemed to love Victoria for what it's worth. And there's nothing Nadia could do about it. They're, you know, across oceans. So Olga was like, well, it's fine. I'm actually going to meet Victoria soon anyway, because in fall of 2014, she was planning to fly home to visit her mom in their hometown where her mom still lived. And that's Krasnodar, which is about 800 miles south

of Moscow near the Black Sea. So she's like, OK, you stay friends with her. I'll get a better read when I come visit in a few months and maybe I'll see what's really going on here. But some weird things started happening before the trip. So Allah had called Nadia and said she was a little bit worried about something that had happened with Victoria. And apparently what had happened is Victoria was supposed to go on an upcoming trip to New York City. And Allah was like, oh, well, my daughter lives there. Do you mind bringing her some stuff? she's like of course i'll take whatever gifts you need me to bring your daughter so she gives this woman six thousand dollars to give to her daughter okay yeah how do you think that went and uh some valuables including two expensive fur coats and okay uh when they interviewed nadia she's like it's a russian thing okay okay so she

she gives these to uh victoria to bring to nadia in new york city but then victoria kept putting off the trip for like weeks then months and allah is like i think she might be like taking the money and not get like she's not giving it back but she's also not planning her trip so now she's like uncomfortable and nervous that like she's just lost six grand and these two fur coats that were meant for her daughter so after some back and forth Victoria finally agreed that she would return the money and valuables on saturday october 4th but on sunday october 5th ala did not answer nadia's daily phone call for the first time in almost a decade okay i hate that nadia called her over 100 times with no answer and she immediately said something is very wrong there there is no way i could would call her a hundred times and she would not either answer or touch base from somewhere

else so she called victoria because she's like well you're apparently my mom's bff and victoria says i don't know anything at all about that she said I went over for a cup of tea and then I left. That's it. Another day goes by. No word from Alla. Nadia is freaking the F out. She gets online and checks her mom's phone records. And the last item on the record was a call from Victoria at 11 p.m. on October 4th.

And after that, totally nothing. Completely empty phone records. So Nadia immediately gets on a plane and arrives in Russia only three days after her mom had disappeared. Victoria met her outside of the apartment building where her mother lived. And this is an interesting, like, fun fact, I guess.

Nadia wrapped her in a bear hug, but it was not a friendly greeting. She was like, oh, in Russia, it's like a display of strength or aggression. Like, she basically kind of grabbed her in 48 hours on the 48 hours show. They were like, oh, so it was not like a hi, how are you? It was like this, like, tight, aggressive bear hug. hi how are you it was like this like tight aggressive uh bear hug and she described that the hug was meant to say i will choke you to death if you don't tell me where is my mother so it's like sure what a nice hug yeah i've never had a hug like that but uh i mean either and i hope i never do yeah i'm not open to that one it's not really sound it doesn't sound fun apparently victoria

pushed nadia away and yelled your mother is alive she's alive and at that point nadia was like victoria has done something exactly victoria why would that be the first thing you say why yeah so immediately she's like she did something to my mother victoria ran up to her mother's apartment and it was weird in there like it was very sterile she's like something somebody has cleaned up but like extensively the entire place had been wiped of fingerprints down to the pots on the stove every single service had been cleared of fingerprints but of course things were missing jewelry family heirlooms and all his life savings which he had actually hidden in a secret place under like a baseboard of a cabinet and like nobody would have known this unless she had told like a friend or a family

member and she's like there's she definitely had shared this the the amount of life savings under that she had hidden under this piece of furniture was approximately fifty thousand dollars and it was gone so police questioned victoria but she played innocent and convinced them that she had done nothing wrong so they left and it was now up to nadia to go solo and find out what the hell happened to her mom because the police were not helping yeah she put up flyers she constantly harassed the police and they started calling her the crazy American daughter because she had flown in from America and like wouldn't drop the issue honestly like I'd take the name I'd be like that's right I'm

crazy fucking take me seriously exactly it's like yeah you want to see crazy you haven't seen crazy so this is a wild sentence but it's exactly what it sounds like finally she bought access to the traffic cameras because that's the most unhinged Christine thing I've ever heard of. Like if like speaking of you ain't seen crazy yet, that's like if if someone hurts someone you love, Christine, you would buy every every CCTV camera,

every highway camera. It's like it's a wild sentence because it's like, yes, I would like when I hear the phrase hack into the mainframe, that's what I think like hack into the CCTV footage footage that's like supposed to not be accessible to me but then when they were like oh wait you bought it in the interview she goes it's russia you buy everything with like you can buy anything with money they were like okay okay so she bought access to all the traffic cameras and she watched the footage of every single one

she had access to until her yes good like that's also like i know we're in the middle of telling a true crime story but i like what a nice i don't know what uh it's just like the the mother-daughter bond is very powerful, very powerful. And like she was on a mission. I mean, it's like any of those movies where they're just like out for out for justice. And she was not fucking around. So she finds an image on one of these CCTV footage tapes of Victoria driving a car about 100 miles outside of town.

And she recognized her own mother in the passenger seat good for her still alive by the way in she's she's the girl equivalent of liam neeson i was i was thinking that the whole time i'm like it's like either taken or what's the one where he like uh with keanu reeves. John Wick. John Wick. Like one of those where it's like, oh, you like, I know who did it

and I will not rest until. She's like, I will buy every CCTV camera until you are like, no punches needed. Genuinely has Liam Neeson shaking in his boots because like who needs him,

you know? So she recognizes her mother alive in the passenger seat and nadia goes to the police with this footage and they're like oh yeah we have the same footage and we're actually still working on the case and they were like she was like well what the fuck like why didn't you tell me yeah but for what it's worth they are now working on the case and they were actually even able to match the plates to a vehicle that victoria had personally rented so like pretty fucking clear yeah officers brought victoria in for a lie detector test and then released her pending the results apparently

she failed the test miserably and by the time that they went to collect her arrest her or question her more she had fled the country so horribly Nadia found out that one of the officers working on the case was actually sleeping with Victoria uh oh it gets better okay yeah and Nadia is convinced that this person helped Victoria leave the country because she should not have been able to leave the country during like an active case against her but she somehow got out and nadia's like i'm pretty sure it was the cop she was sleeping with so you know just a theory but uh for what it's worth he was fired uh because of you know sleeping with victoria and nadia went to meet with the head of the russian national police um whom they described on the show as the equivalent of like the FBI,

but in Russia. So she goes straight to the head of the Russian national police, like the Russian FBI and is like, I need help. And they're getting through this case. They're working on it. And it wasn't until April, 2015 that they discovered charred human remains near

armavir which is the town where victoria nasurova grew up nadia had to identify the remains and she they were they were burned remains. And she said, I just kept saying, no, it's not her. She's alive. It's not her. She's like, but then I saw her teeth. And I recognized my mother by her teeth. It's horrible. It's horrible.

So Russian authorities notified Interpol, international police, but the case went cold. And I mean, Nadia had to go home to New York after six months of just being on this case. She had gotten like a glimpse of hope when she saw her mother alive in the CCTV footage. Yeah. And it hoped like maybe she was just keeping her somewhere or had like got mixed her up and moved her somewhere. But no, she was dead. And so she had to return to new york after six months on victoria's tale um and victoria is like gone like has just fled so she's like you know what i'm still not done with this i am going to now this is where it

becomes like the the fucking john wick thing she's, I am going to track down the person who did this to my mother and I'm going to do it by myself. Good for you, girl. Yes, she really, really nailed it. She found that after fleeing Russia, Victoria vacationed in Mexico and then settled down in New York City. And let's remember, Nadia literally lives in New York City. So she's like, Nadia literally lives in New York City. So she's like, this chick moved to the same town as me. Well, she's probably trying to get rid of all the loose ends, right? Oh, maybe.

I don't know if she knew. I don't know. Well, she did know because she was going to visit and bring gifts. So I don't know. I don't know what she was thinking. Actually, to be honest, I don't think she was thinking much of all because at all because the reason nadia figured out where she was is that victoria was posting everything to facebook what a dumb ass under her real name she was posting pictures in mexico she was posting pictures in like all geotagged like like zero thought at all just posting these to facebook and uh nadia is able to like publicly view these so she turns these into police and

immigration officials but they didn't turn anything up which i'm like fucking call me you know what i mean like they were like oh we have her exact location. Oh, that's too bad. Interpol can't figure it out. I'm like, oh, my God. How? So she hires this P.I., Herman Weisberg, the former NYPD cop who's like, I got this. And he was determined to track her down. He's watching her Facebook posts. He's scrolling. He's finding all this weird shit out about her.

Apparently, she's posting advertisements on social media and rushing dating sites. She's working as a dominatrix at the time. So she's posting all that on the internet. And he ends up focusing on a selfie she took in a car. And in the car, she's wearing a pair of mirrored Ray-Bans. She's wearing a pair of mirrored Ray-Bans and he just zooms into the fucking reflection and gets a clear view of the whole dashboard and steering wheel. And it also shows a driver's seat with very distinct stitching. So Herman goes to a parking lot with like thousands of cars and he just looks at everyone's windshields to find the stitching that matches the stitching in the photo.

He finds out that this car she's in is a Chrysler 300. So he's narrowing this down like dramatically. Yeah. He notices that a lot of Victoria's Facebook likes are centered around Sheepshead Bay, a rushing neighborhood in Brooklyn. So they go searching the neighborhood for a Chrysler 300. They find one and they run the plates and a Russian name comes up. And they're like, what are the odds? OK, so there's this Russian man who owns this car. Turns out he is Victoria's boyfriend.

Uh-huh. So essentially, they go to the neighborhood look around for a chrysler 300 they're like here's one it's fucking victoria's car so they like already found her wow herman also identifies in the photo the building that she's parked outside of and he's able to like find out like her exact location i mean i love this guy this is like my damn like this is a i mean interpol could never apparently apparently like i thought yes but apparently no so apparently they couldn't just look in windshields to see stitching but okay so he identifies the building that the car was in front of as the building in one of Victoria's Facebook posts. And on March 20th of 2017, he calls the police and says, I'm ready to help you facilitate Victoria's arrest for the murder of Nadia's mother, Ala.

But meanwhile, she is, of course, wanted for a crime in the United States that they don't know about, which is this crime against Olga from earlier. So Brooklyn authorities reach out to Detective Kevin Rogers, who is the one who earlier like didn't believe Olga's story. And he is like blown away that this woman is coming up again in like a totally different Interpol case now. So she is finally able to be arrested for her crimes against Olga and charged with attempted murder, assault, and grand larceny.

And they were able to test the plastic cheesecake container still stored in evidence, and they found both finazepam and Victoria's DNA on the cheesecake platter. So like... Ding, ding, ding.

Ding, ding, ding. Nice try. Also, like, I love that she threw it away in the woman's apartment. She, ding, ding. Ding, ding, ding. Nice try. Also, I love that she threw it away in the woman's apartment. She's like, eat this poison cheesecake and then I'll put the wrapper in your trash can. Okay. So stupid.

So during their investigation, Kevin noticed the uncanny resemblance between Olga and Victoria and that's when he started to put things together that Victoria's visa was about to expire but the only place she could go back to was Russia where she's wanted for fleeing from this murder case so like she's basically that is why she wanted Olga's identity because she's like I can't stay here and I can't go back to russia he said olga had something victoria

wanted and it wasn't money it wasn't handbags it was olga's identity if victoria killed olga and assumed her identity she could stay in the u.s permanently he described victoria as extremely ruthless and diabolical after a lengthy investigation and then of course all the covid delays victoria was in jail for quite a while however in 2018 she was assaulted by multiple inmates and badly injured while a guard watched and did nothing so she ended up suing the city and she won the case and she won 325 000 dollars wow and it's okay i'm like very torn about that because it's like, well, of course I don't want her to get hundreds of thousands of dollars, but she shouldn't be getting assaulted in prison and just being

watched by guards with no help. It's a fine line and two things can be true at the same time. Yes, exactly. can be true at the same time yes exactly so after all the delays sorry so after all the delays victoria uh didn't go to trial until january of 2023 so damn so like just now just now so almost like 10 years i guess nine years after uh after allah went missing her defense attorney described the case as a total spectacle i mean now i guess i can tell you i should have told you earlier but this is also known as the cheesecake murder or the cheesecake crime so of course it's the poison cheesecake and uh you know it reads like

a murder mystery novel like you eat a piece of cheesecake you're poisoned and they take your identity like it's it's giving lifetime yes yes yes and i feel like this probably will become inspired by a true story lifetime movie any day now he said even if victoria did poison olga there was no proof of murderous intent this is his uh her defense attorney okay i was like, wait a minute. I know. I know. Kevin. No, no. It's a defense train. Identity theory was only a theory. OK.

That said, Victoria did steal, like we said, Olga's passport and working permits, which seems like a weird like the permits sound like a weird thing to steal unless you are trying to become another person and take over their job. Yeah. So prosecution brought up an interview Victoria did with 48 Hours while she was in jail awaiting her trial. And in this interview, she admitted to being part of the crime, but she wouldn't discuss details until the trial.

But then at the trial, she decided not to testify or take the stand to answer questions. So prosecution brought up this interview themselves and when told quote there's a woman named olga who claims you tried to kill her by giving her a piece of poison cheesecake victoria said i know whom you mean i know this young woman i can tell you that i did not force you to eat i did not force her to eat it shut up what do you mean literally what do you mean? Literally, what do you mean? So basically, prosecution's like, let's bring that up and say, hey, she said, like, I didn't make her eat the poison cheesecake that I brought to her house. You know, like, it's a terrible argument. They were, however, during this trial against Olga, I mean, not against Olga, but for the crime against Olga, they were not allowed to bring up the crime in Russia, interestingly enough. However, I know, which always like throws me off. However, Nadia was brought to the stand and she was able to kind of allude to the crime without giving details.

She said it was very serious and she gave personal testimony of her knowledge about Victoria. So Nadia said she wanted Victoria to look at her while she was on the stand. She said, so nadia said she wanted victoria to look at her while she was on the stand she said look at me look at the person whose mother you killed look look into my eyes remember them for the rest of your life good oh i have chills i have chills but victoria refused to look at her refused to look at her. It's evil. She only sat there smirking. Ew, evil. Evil, evil. After just one and a half hours of deliberation, the jury found Victoria guilty of attempted murder in the second degree. And at sentencing, Olga was able to make a victim impact statement. She said, quote, Victoria caused me to lose trust in people people i cannot for sure know what their true intentions are i am grateful that this person will be punished for what she did to me the judge

declared victoria was a very dangerous woman and sentenced her to 21 years in prison which is four years below the maximum 25 year sentence this included time served during her trials delay so she may be free in only 15 years and she's still quite young but victoria's story isn't over because as soon as she's released she will be deported to russia where she will then be charged with allah's murder oh damn so that's like not that hasn't even happened yet nope so basically it was just twiddling their thumbs until they can like get her over there get her so she's not even looking forward to like a release date because it's just that's it's only part one of this of the two parts yes and the first one you know olga was survived it but the second one ala did not so yeah it's gonna be There's also, interestingly, a man in New York who claims Victoria drugged and robbed him after he responded to one of her dominatrix ads. And there were quite a lot of potential stories of people who did not want to come forward either because they were married and didn't want to, like, admit like, oh, my dominatrix tried to poison me me you know or or they just didn't want to talk

about it to police or it is somewhat of a perfect crime of like yes she found the right niche to advertise for yeah yeah don't tell on me i won't tell on you yeah exactly so this man who claimed that he was drugged and robbed uh says that after drugging him victoria brought him to the dry cleaning business he owned and dropped him off but he was acting so strange that one of his employees filmed the interaction and filmed Victoria dropping him off, which I was like, yes, pull out your fucking camera, film everything. That's a true see something, say something. Right. Like I will film this. And it was on the 48 Hours episode. She claimed on camera he maybe he took took a pill, she kept saying. And oh, he drank two bottles of wine. And of course when he's sober later like when he recovers from this not

sober when he recovers from this drugging he's like no i had like a few sips of wine and i was like gone so they called an ambulance victoria fled but not before stealing more money and a watch from the basement um in addition to the over two thousand dollars she spent on his amex so he nearly died he spent a week in the hospital was like barely able to eat um and so presumably the same kind of poison that she had used on olga so after all of the ugliness vict Victoria left in her wake, her crimes connected Nadia and Olga. And Nadia and Olga are now best friends. Oh, really? Mm-hmm.

That's very, I did not see that coming. Isn't that the nicest thing you've ever heard? Like, they were both victimized. Like, what terrible circumstances. Yeah. They have each other, at least. There's so many crimes that we talk about where people are just, they have nobody. Like they were both terrible circumstances. Yeah. They have each other, at least. There's so many crimes that we talk about where people are just they have nobody.

Yes. And it's like, of course, their traumas were different because Nadia, you know, lost her mother and had to go through that process. But, you know, Olga was personally attacked and almost died. And like so, you know, they both have trauma related to one specific person um so i mean talk about bonding trauma bonding yeah so olga said wait i'm gonna cry olga said when we met when nadia and i met i feel like i knew nadia all my life oh and i feel like it was meant to be is what i'm saying uh nadia said olga is kind and open-hearted and reminds her of her mom shut up oh my gosh the women deeply understand each other's grief of course as victims of the same person and they say they think they will be best

friends for the rest of their lives and that is the story of the cheesecake murder someone put only those two sentences next to each other because you it was they'll be best friends forever that was the cheesecake you're right you're right you're right you're right and i guess it's like cheesecake murder plot or like cheesecake attempted murder because you know thankfully olga survived but uh it is a it is a wild story i gotta say um and the way that they like linked like totally different paths and then like crossed over is crazy it was a two-for-one story two for one that's right wow well good telling it and good not telling me that it was called the

cheesecake murder early on because i would have made some real asshole joke probably and now i'm glad i think i don't know i feel like you would have been like oh cheesecake murder i'd be like not not i could murder a cheesecake something well okay fair you maybe would have said that you've it would have ended up being incredibly tasteless yeah you maybe would have said that. It would have ended up being incredibly tasteless. Yeah, he probably would have said that. Yeah. Yeah, and now I feel gross that my brain even thinks it. You're like, glad I didn't say that horrible thing that I'm saying now. Well, now I'm saying it in the context of like, thank God I didn't say that not knowing.

I'm teasing. Oh, man. Well, that was a good story and again our weekly you know what is a good story when it's a good story quote unquote yeah exactly um yeah well that's that and uh be careful you know trust your gut next week is episode 340 i think which is crazy we're not far from 350 whole episodes of every week you and me telling each other these can you believe it that's a lot um that's a lot long time i uh i'm trying to think when is our i guess we've got a while before we have to worry about 400 but

i i can't wait for 420 i just just feel like they, yeah. Me too. Why are you so quiet? No, I was trying to think. I was like, oh man, 420. I better start thinking of like what the hell I'm going to cover. But I'll figure it out then. I just get blown away sometimes when I think about how many stories we've done. I know.

It's wild. It's like, it's very hard to believe. Hard to wrap your mind around. And we still like each other. okay just kidding i love you i do wonder how many are there any podcasters out there who secretly just i mean there must be each other there's got to be i don't know any one of them but there's got to be someone i anyway i i don't want to know them because i feel like i don't want to be part of the drama that drama but um i mean i want to hear about it but i don't want to know personally if you're a podcaster who hates your co-host let us know yeah we won't tell anyone

i just want to hear about it that's all um all right well christine you got i appreciate you taking the time to even make time for me because you've got so many busy days ahead of you this week but oh gosh um no it's my pleasure if you can find some time to take today to take a little napsicle you know that's so kind i'll try my darndest i i hope for you one good nap oh thank you and i hope for me one good nap honestly i should have said the same back to you i hope for you one good nap as well thank you i hope for myself too but you know i guess we could go with one for now uh all right well we'll see you all uh next week and i guess another gentle reminder to drink some water because we're all dehydrated that's right we are and that's why

we drink