And That's Why We Drink - E34 A 200-lb Rat and the Dollar Store Plunger

Episode Date: September 24, 2017

Episode 34 is coming at you straight from our plunger fort! We’ve moved into the new “recording studio” but truly not much has changed…except the end of our intro song! We still talk booze, ghosts, and murder. This week’s stories include the terrifying San Pedro Haunting and the crazy story of Austrian serial killer Jack Unterweger. Oh also, Tina and Jeff were there.This episode was sponsored by ModCloth, where you can find fashion as unique as you are. Use promo code DRINK at modcloth.com for 30% off your order of $100 or more!This episode was also sponsored by Casper - an obsessively engineered mattress at a shockingly fair price. Visit casper.com/drink and use promo code “drink” for $50 off your order of a mattress.

let's be professionals i can't even see you with this plunger in the way oh timber no we're good okay oh now i can see you actually this works really well this is good just put the plunger to the side a little bit oh yeah there it is all right yeah what's up we're just gonna ignore everything we've been doing huh we're professionals should i should i lead us into what we just might as well talk about yeah let's just get it out of the way because i feel like let's start let's start with a good part that people get so distracted with they forget what we're leading to you moved into a new house i did and somehow we managed to find a house in the city of los angeles that we could afford to rent um so yeah here we are and i was like um

it's great we have a whole room where we can set up our recording equipment you take it away so uh we're in in the new studio guys yes and uh it hasn't been posted on instagram but we're probably going to post it in the next 10 minutes so you'll have seen it by then the recording studio is just so big that we and christine doesn't have a lot of stuff because they came from an apartment and now have to fill like this huge house because she's gonna call it a house it's a fucking mansion she like really like has it made right now our recording studio before was inside my kitchen and living room and dining room because it was all one room yeah we just sat in

the middle of everyone else living their lives and we would record and somehow it always came out relatively quiet but now we have our own whole room which is the size of the kitchen slash dining room slash living room that we used to record in and she doesn't have anything to decorate it with so it's so empty in here so we started recording and it was so echoey and you could just hear the reverb it sounded like we were in a cave and so i was like christine why don't we just put our master's degrees in audio production to uh good use and we rolled out a rug to absorb some of the sound and i was like oh we need some like some softness around the walls and we didn't a rug to absorb some of the sound, and I was like, oh, we need some softness around the walls, and we didn't have any.

So we dug through her boxes of move-in stuff and found a children's sheet, which is thumbtacked to one side of the wall, and then we have a shelf that has not been mounted yet. We have that holding down the other end of the sheet on a shelf over us. So we're basically in a pillow fort right now and we have a plastic crate and a plunger in between us to keep like the TP center. There's like a plunger in the middle of our faces right now. As I'm looking at Christine, there's a plunger like two feet away from my face. Um, but we're like in a pillow

fort. And then we made our intern Allison like take a take a phone cord and tape it to the ceiling oh yeah because part part of the sheet was drooping on me and so we wove a phone charger through it and then we had Allison tape and thumbtack it to the ceiling so it looks I mean for a new recording studio we are just so professional I mean it's I'm impressed personally uh speaking of professionalism that was my brother coming home i think at least he's not walking in the room like he would be at the other place that's true but then afterwards we're gonna have to show him this oh yeah come on in welcome we're using your plunger oh yeah by the way don't clog your toilet kiss all right anyway um how are you I'm good I'm really pumped about this

new place uh how are you I'm all right yeah yeah how's life it's okay nothing great well what's wrong no I'm just really tired this week's been so exhausting and I'm in that zone where like I'm totally introverted where I don't want to talk to a single person. Oh, no. And so I had a long day of work, a long few days of work in a row. And then all I wanted to do was go home. But then I had to record tonight. And you moved and now you're an hour commute to me.

So once a week, I now have to commute two hours. That is rough. Maybe we should do weekends. Okay. Does that work better for you? And we can have sleepovers. Does that work better? In our pillow fort with plungers. plungers yeah i mean we already have this set up for sure what more do we need for sure cool so that's settled but also i'm like also being a spoiled brat right

now because i drink for really good reasons allison took me on a lot of really cute dates i was gonna say why are you even complaining i be. You got a picnic and all that? I know. Also, I'm not drinking a milkshake today because... Because I live too far away? That fucking commute. I couldn't go get a milkshake. I don't live across from House of Pies anymore. I know.

We're never going to have House of Pies right across the street anymore. That's rough. I'm drinking. Well, we know that. Is it because you you're moving do you want to know why I drink oh I do let me tell you I drink because I was setting up this recording studio quote unquote yesterday and I was moving all the stuff in and I was home alone and I was putting some chairs down and all of a sudden the there's a cellar that's attached to this room and the door just click and opened next to me. And I screamed, Jesus Christ.

And I ran out of the room and I haven't been in ever since. And the door is really creepy. I posted about this on the secret Facebook group, which you guys should definitely join if you haven't because it's so much fun. And basically there's a door with like creepy children's drawings on the back of it that we discovered next to our recording studio that goes into a creepy ass basement slash cellar. It really is. It looks like it's like all old wood from the 80s and a lot of it's watered out and looks really gross and dingy. And the staircase down is so narrow that like you're guaranteed to break your ankle if you ever have to go down there. Yeah.

But it's a really creepy. Well, you should take a picture and post it. Oh, I will. And there's like I didn't even say it on the facebook group but there's like creepy there's like a heart that was drawn by a kid and then someone crossed it all out it's so creepy angrily vengefully crossed out like they wrote themselves a love letter and then scratched it and they're like never mind so i was writing about this the door on facebook and how it cracked open and julie s on facebook, you have your very own troll hole.

And I was like, what? And she's like, by the way, if you call it that, you need to give me credit. So just in case, I'm calling the troll hole. Well, if I ever find a troll down there, I will lose my mind, one, to admit myself to an asylum, and three, give Julie S. credit. Yeah.

Well, because when I was little, I played a song on the piano when I was three years old and it was about like the trolls march or something. And it scared the crap out of me. And then my mom made me get something from the basement and I was convinced a troll lived down there. Like, cause I'm, I was three and I was so terrified at the basement. Cause in my head, a troll lived down there and it was like an evil troll. So when she said that, I was like, was like oh no well the perfect mystery will be the first time you ever have to go down that basement and you start hearing that troll music that you used to play on the piano just one note just one note one note like the way a three-year-old would play yeah exactly

your eyes are watering as i don't like it can we change the subject um do you know any good stories about this place yet no i was actually that's what i was gonna do today i was gonna look up the like the blueprint or whatever oh yeah yeah or died in house.com oh my god oh my god do you think someone died here i'm sure i think they said a majority of houses in the u.s a majority of houses in the world people have died in because i mean there's think about how many millions of people die every year and it's just logical that people would die in most okay well if you tell me that someone died in this exact fucking room i will lose my mind someone died in my childhood bedroom

mr chatfield he's a steal my retainer. Oh, right. That guy. Maybe his teeth were crooked. Back in my day, we didn't have orthodontists. Anyway. That's why I drink. This place might be haunted, and we're recording it. It's for sure haunted. The second I walked in here, I was like,

oh, this is a haunted house. Okay, stop. Are you serious? Yeah. My friend told me she thought the kitchen was something was off with the kitchen. And I was like. Oh, there's something off in this whole fucking place. No, there's not. I feel good about this house. Our last place, I did not.

I felt like something was weird about that house. That's weird because I never thought anything was weird in your place. The second I walked in there, I was like, I don't want to stay here more than a year. I'll give you a year, demon. Yep. I will fend you off for an entire year. Anyway, should we just dive right in? Let's do it. And by the way, guys, people keep asking on the Facebook group, why we don't save what we're drinking anymore,

because it's always the same thing. It's always a box of wine and it's always a milkshake. We tried to spice it up. I really, I remember in the beginning I was like, Oh, I'm going to have a different milkshake every week. But that's also because I thought we would last like four weeks. Yeah, we were like, we only have a month to go. I can't find 30 milkshakes of all different flavors within a mile range of me. Yeah, I just drink box wine because I like it. So I got my Trader Joe's Shiraz. It's always either Shiraz or the Cab.

Yeah. So this was a story that got recommended a couple of days ago by, she also recommended the Trans-Allegheny Asylum. Oh, oh, she got it. She's got a twofer here. She's got a twofer.

Lucky duck. She wrote to me and said, I don't mean to like be weird. I just like finding things that disturb people. So, you know, keep talking about them. And I was like,

okay. So, okay. Okay. So this is from Kyler oh kyler we love kyler and she suggested the san pedro haunting oh shit i don't know what that is but it gave me goosebumps okay thanks kyler thank you kyler also because i did not have an idea for this week and kyler hooked me the fuck up like 20 minutes into me wondering what i should do so thanks kyler just it's all about timing we love you guys um thanks for doing our work for us so the san pedro haunting is uh known by the person who was getting haunted in the house her name was jackie hernandez so this happened in 1988 i have a stupid question oh my

where's san pedro it's san ped? It's all the way. San Pedro. It's probably San Pedro. I think it's San Pedro. Most people say San Pedro out here. Where is it? It's down by the water. What state is that in? It's by Long Beach.

It's California. Okay. Oh, my. I don't know anything about it. I used to live right next to San Pedro when I was out in Englewood, Culver City. That's right. You were in West LA. Yeah.

Okay. I was in South LA. Oh, yeah. South LA. Do you? Where are you? I don't know why you think that I know these things. I don't know either. I don't even know where I was in South LA. Oh yeah. South LA. Do you, where are you? I don't know why you think that I know these things. I don't know either. I don't even know what's where I am right now. And I live here. So in, uh, 1988, this began in San Pedro, California.

There's a lot of San, San Antonio, San Bernardino, Santa Clarita. See, I don't know. Santa Clarita. See, I don't know. Santa Ana. Just making excuses. Alright, let's try this again. In 1988, Jackie Hernandez was a single mom who moved into her new bungalow. I don't know what a bungalow is.

I do. What is it? It's a one-story beach-type house, but it's only a one-story house. Oh, so that's kind of what I live in. Okay, so we're almost done with the first bullet oh good for us yeah we should celebrate right yeah what should we talk about to celebrate well i know we could drink oh okay i'll do that jackie was a single mom who moved into her bungalow with her two-year-old son jamie and she was also pregnant oh no ah sorry i'm sorry the scariest

part of this whole story. That's terrifying. She felt a presence in the home right away. And weird things started happening. So there were noises in the attic. Objects would move around. She saw some black shadows floating through the rooms. Flying orbs. The good stuff.

Ugh. Can you imagine being a single mom and you only have two, like a little baby with you? You can't even like have a conversation about it with him. Yeah. You can't look at the two-year-old and be like you see that fucking shit you see that demon over there it's like i don't play with that you have to play the game of like no there's nothing yeah except kids see stuff more often which means that kid is crying at things you can't see and then you have to pretend it's not there oh yeah yeah um so at first uh like the first real things that she started noticing a lot were like pebbles would fall through the walls what which i don't know what that means i don't either but like things would just fall from the ceiling that should not be there oh god and they'd fall right

on her uh like an anvil and she's wily coyote there's like little rocks she has a little sign that she carries everywhere oops um then every night she started hearing a high-pitched sound that hurt her ears and when she followed the sound it was actually coming from the attic where the trap door on the ceiling had opened itself hell the fuck no um and that started happening on an every night basis uh her bed would repeatedly collapse on its own. Like the whole bed frame would just fall apart. And she thought she could hear voices mumbling in the attic, but she also didn't want to go near the attic because it kept opening by itself. Her cat would run around the house looking afraid of something in another room and would hiss at things that weren't there.

something in another room and would hiss at things that weren't there. She's also on different, uh, in different times seen pencils fly out of a pencil holder at her and cans of soda fly out of the fridge at her all by themselves. Oh, that would hurt. Yeah. I was like,

at first I thought they were empty cans and then it said full. And I was like, Jesus, that's a bad leave a mark. Um, so another time she brought in groceries and found magnetic letters on the fridge spelling, get the hell out. What the fuck?

That's when I would think. It was the two year old. For sure. Yeah. Terrible twos. You know, you hear about those terrible twos. She had vivid dreams in which she was a young man in the 1930s being clubbed to death with a lead pipe and drowning in the san pedro harbor

i'm sorry very specific what a very specific dream to have and she would have it all the time and only wake up after she was drowning uh once she heard a sound in the attic and went to check on it with a flashlight and straight up like a movie it was pitch black all she had was the flashlight and she just like kind of like how in a movie it would pan around as if you were the one looking with the flashlight and she turned at the final corner and an apparition of a severed head flew at her no yeah no um another time her ex-husband came to pick up the baby and he didn't believe her first when she complained about it and shouted into the house if there's something here show yourself yourself. And obviously nothing happened.

And as soon as he left, Jackie went into the closet and found his name written hundreds of times on the closet door. Oh my freaking God. Let's go check that closet door. I was about to say I'm never opening it. Does it say Al? Because that's the guy's name. I'm never opening that door again. If it says Al the next time we look, I will lose my mind.

I'm never opening that again. There was also a glowing cloud that would float around the house at night and try to suffocate her oh just a also glowing cloud sounds nice and happy i would almost want to approach the cloud thinking like my little pony like a little shiny cloud it just floats around and tries to murder you tries to murder you eventually jackie told her neighbor susan um because she kind of had to because eventually she showed up at susan's house house in the middle of the night because she had heard heavy breathing coming from her son's room while he was sleeping and saw a dark figure of an old haggard man sitting on her son's bed oh my god and she said

she told susan or she didn't tell me she told soon God. And she said she told Susan, or she didn't tell me she told Susan. She just told Susan. She told me. So this bitch had the nerve to say to me in my face. And then she said. Okay, so she told Susan that she, after she heard the heavy breathing and saw the guy sitting there,

I guess he was staring at her from his bedroom and down the hall, and his eyes were as red as lasers. No, thank you. He also wore red flannel and suspenders. Oh, he's like a lumberjack. Yeah, she actually referred to him as a lumberjack. Great.

She watched him form from a mist into a face and finally into a full-bodied apparition. And she reported that in the darkness, his eyes chilled her to the core and were quote filled with hatred so it's like definitely an evil thing it's not just hanging out because my first ghost i ever saw was sitting on my bed and looking at me but it was my grandpa it was like a loving it was like a loving like i'm just here to hang out with you while you sleep which is the most boring time to hang out with me, by the way, because I'm a thrill outside of sleep.

You heard it here first, folks. I just watched your eyes, like, not roll, like your eyes, eyes rolled. You know what I meant? Oh, man, that was a good one. So it also, as soon as she watched it form and stare at her, just as soon as it formed, it also vanished. And seconds later, after it was gone, every window shade in the room flew up to the ceiling. Great. So she ran out and went to go tell Susan.

And so now Susan's aware of this. So one night, Susan's over at Jackie's place, and they heard a loud bang from the kitchen and found a picture that was hanging on the wall originally was now leaning up against the counter behind the sink and the nails that it had been hanging from were now on the table standing up straight on no thank you that's poltergeist shit yes yes you're right uh yeah after so many episodes I'm glad you know I'm learning a thing or two from you. Susan told Jackie to at least say something to the landlord. He's like, good call, Susan.

Good call. Susan, you're not wrong. You're that person in those haunted movies who's like the voice of reason. Yeah. But the first one, I'm like, maybe we should leave. It's like, yeah, maybe we should. Listen to Susan. like uh yeah maybe we should listen to susan um so the landlord she told the landlord and the landlord were the later voice of reasons and suggested calling priests my landlord was like why did susan tell you to call me a call a fucking priest oh my god so the priests were skeptical

and the next day jackie ended up getting a representative from social services showing up at her house because the priests reported that Jackie was not making any sense. And they didn't believe what she was saying. And she must have been on hallucinogenics and was awful and was unable to care for the kids. So once again, thanks, priests, I guess. Once again, for all the I guess. Once again. For all the times I've ever needed you, this was not the time to call social services on me. If I had a nickel for every time Em said, thanks again, priests, I would be a rich bitch. If I had a nickel for every priest that ever helped me, I'm my own priest because I'm ordained.

That's not a priest, my friend. I'm a reverend. We've had this conversation. I know. I'm ordained. That's not a priest, my friend. I'm a reverend. We've had this conversation. I know. If I had a nickel for every reverend I like, there'd be $1 in my pocket and it'd have my face on it. A nickel. So how many dollars? So how many, you have 20 reverends that you like? I fucked up. I just wanted you to talk about it. Well, then you should have not said anything. I would just kept going.

Anyway, the bottom line is because the priests were not helpful and they were the only person she thought she could go to, she basically decided she was just not going to tell anyone because no one was going to be able to help her. Poor thing. Also because her kids almost got taken away. Yeah, don't blame her. Jackie's friend Tina was babysitting the kids one night and when checking on the baby uh so she goes into the baby's room and the bedroom door opened for her on its own how polite i know and she didn't even think that was weird so she went into the room oh she didn't no so she went into the room

and then closed the door behind her no no no no which first of all if you're ever checking on a kid don't just open peek your head in and then leave like don't close she straight up went into the room and closed the door behind her she didn't even open the door just yeah all right i guess she just assumed it was a convenient draft so tina's basically the op like like tina's the one that dies first yeah she's more surprisingly lives the longest because she's just an idiot maybe bypassing everything accidentally she's like the foil to susan she just like somehow manages to not know what's going on. She's like, whoa, everyone's dead. How'd I miss that? And it's like, you were in the same room, Tina. Anyway, God damn it, Tina. So when checking on the kid, the door opened on its own. She closed it behind her, continued to check on the child,

which I don't know why it takes more than a second. And she turned to leave the room and the door opened for her again on its own she's like thank you she's like wow kind uh she closed the door and that was that for the day she didn't even think about it i'm sorry she only reported on it later when she's like huh well you know it was kind of funny when this happened and jackie was like excuse me what the fuck happened god damn it tina so one day jack, Jackie and Tina are cooking. And then all of a sudden they see blobs of light near the kitchen ceiling. And Jackie tries to take pictures of it.

But of course, the camera stops working. Sure. And Tina takes the camera instead and takes a picture. But as soon as she presses the shutter, the face of the old man showed up on the screen and then vanished. Like as fast as a flash would. Like the face was there and then went away oh no and so tina described it to jackie and jackie's like that's the face that i saw on my son's bed oh then they were talking about it later while washing dishes and uh they ended up finding a yellowish pus like ooze in the sink no and it was also coming out of the cabinets,

pooled on the floor and surrounded them, but did not actually touch their feet. So just like closed in on them. What the hell? I bet Tina was like, that's funky. Your house is so weird. One of a kind. So finally Jackie calls for help.

She was like, that was too much. There's an ectoplasm coming out of my house. Who did she call? She called Dr. Barry Taff of UCLA Parapsychology Lab. Oh, okay. And he brought along, because I guess he wanted to make a quick buck, he brought a cameraman named Barry Conrad and a photographer named Jeff Wheatcraft. And they went to investigate her house and actually documented a good chunk of it.

And the cameraman, Barry Conrad, turned it into a documentary, which y'all can see. It's called An Unknown Encounter. Ooh. They experienced during this investigation, temperature drops, smells of rotting flesh, and erratically moving balls of bright light that formed into the shape of a man rotting flesh yes okay uh my favorite of smells just checking they also found the same ooze dripping out of parts of the house mid-interview all the equipment lights would shut down all at one time or they would go like boom boom boom boom boom like they

would all go right one after i don't know which is creepier the team also heard sounds in the attic that sounded like quote a 200 foot pound rat running around i'm sorry i'm just i'm not even gonna could have just said a 200 pound man yeah like but i guess rat 200 pound creature but sure just a heavy thing with legs it definitely had a long tail so jeff the photographer went up to the attic to take pictures because obviously when you hear a 200 pound rat running around sure why not approach it people like us are gonna not believe jeff so downstairs barry the cameraman heard a growl say get the hell out and right after he heard that sentence jeff and the attic began screaming huh so jeff um they find him and he swears an invisible force grabbed the camera right out of his hands and threw it into the ground um when they go upstairs to look

for the camera together the body of the camera was sitting neatly in a dusty box no without its lens and the lens was on the total opposite side of the attic undamaged right behind the attic door that is so totally separated so creepy so jeff tried to get some more photos while he was up there because i guess why not in a time of crisis when an invisible thing is damaging your expensive stuff when a 200 pound rat steals your camera when you find your camera you might as well keep taking pictures of the rat you can't see um but a foul stench showed up another smell of rotting flesh and jeff was pushed out of the attic with hands that he could not see and i bet you jeff and tina would be a fucking match made in heaven he's like what happened and t Tina's like, I don't know.

She's like, oh, golly, you fell. They sound like the worst couple to ever know. Jeff and Tina better just rent a cabin and leave us all alone. So the ooze was actually taken to a lab at UCLA. Really? And it was found to be human blood plasma with high levels of iodine and copper. I'm sorry. And they still don't know

where that came from or how it was leaking out of the house wait are you kidding me no holy shit human blood plasma with higher than usual levels of iodine and copper blaze blaze blaze blaze how does human blood plasma just leak out of a house? His answer. It doesn't. Exactly. End of conversation. And that's why we didn't really get blazed. And that's why blazed is not a part of this podcast. It's like, oh, your fiance doesn't believe in ghosts. And that's why we drink.

I drink for that every day. So the activity continued for several months, but to a lesser extent, which is nice, even though they didn't even exercise the house or say anything. They just showed up to piss it off. And then surprisingly, there was less activity. Maybe it was tired. It was like, oh, it was like, I cannot handle Jeff and Tina one more fucking night. Jeff and Tina really took it out of me. So there were still random lights and voices and the smell of rotting flesh was less frequent, but still around.

One night, the spirit played with the kids toys by throwing a beach ball out of the living room to jackie um oh my god if something if a no no no the beach ball flew at her from the living room imagine looking at something that's by it's like standing by itself in a room and then all of a sudden just projectiles itself at you it's honestly terrifying and you're the only adult there so then she heard footsteps coming toward her after it threw after a ball got thrown at her she heard footsteps coming toward her and felt a heavy being i guess that's the only way you can say it was it a rat no okay felt a heavy being sitting on top of her and choking her uh Thank God it wasn't a rat.

That would have been even worse. Like an idiot, like Tina, she ran up to the attic instead of out the door. What? Like a classic horror movie. It's like, get out of the house. Don't go somewhere that's even harder to escape from. Yeah. She ran up the attic, saw the apparition as a full body.

No. And then it shoved her through the trap door onto the main floor no thank you i'm sorry wait there's a trap door okay you know like how you go up the door of the attic yeah it pushed her down on through those stairs and onto the main floor okay yeah it's weird to call it a trap door when it's the only door yeah it seems strange but you know i get it um so she grabbed her kids and finally got out of the house and called Barry to come back. And the phone line cut out mid sentence. No.

Like a horror movie. This is an actual horror movie. It's an actual horror movie. So, uh, Barry and the other two. Jeff. Jeff. Barry, Barry, and Jeff. I only remember Jeff.

They, who could forget Jeff? Jeff and his camera. The, uh, so the three of them come back to the house. And on the second trip, the team also filmed small blobs of light that traveled throughout the rooms that they hadn't seen before, but it was just like floating around. Jeff also, once again,

typical Jeff went to go investigate the attic. And this time they brought another guy named Gary. Oh no, I have a feeling Gary is going to be a dumbass. Gary kind of saves the day. Oh. For a second. For stupid-ass Jeff, though.

So really, Gary's mediocre. All right, Gary. I'm sorry. It's just like fumbling around with an idiot. That's what Gary's job is. Okay. So while there, while up in the attic, something grabs Jeff by the neck, drags him across the attic, and pulled him into the rafters. Oh my god.

It put a clothesline around his neck, lifted him over the rafters, and hung him to a nail hanging on the wall that was taller than him. So something was strong enough to pull a grown man down the attic, wrap clothesline around him tie it to a nail or and then lift a grown man's body off the ground and hang him on a nail no so gary had to chase him fucking poor gary he did not sign up for this i feel you also well hang on we'll get there so gary chased him while taking pictures in the dark just to try and use the flash to see Jeff. Oh. So Gary's a smart one. Gary, good job. Gary had to pull Jeff off the nail in the rafters. And had he not, Jeff probably would have choked.

Christ alive. What the hell? Because by the time they pulled him off, there was like a thick red ring around his neck. Like a noose. Like he was really getting hanged. And that was the night that Jackie and the kids left the house and never went back. Good. So Jackie left San Pedro, but the paranormal activity actually followed her.

And when she and some of the neighbors at her new place were putting a TV away in her shed, the image of the old man from San Pedro showed up on the screen. Like the TV was unplugged and they were moving it and the tv turned on with the man's face throw it in a ditch set it on fire set it on fire throughout the rest of the night she heard something pounding from the inside of the shed where they left the tv okay don't ever okay i changed my mind don't open the set the shed on fire set the entire shed on fire she reported to the team she called them again can you imagine being barry barry and jeff and being like what could she want now like i'm i don't want to know poor jeff is like i don't want to go in an attic again he's like i can't breathe anymore jeff is like i need gary by me at all

times my throat hurts so they ended up following her to the new place where there was no attic so good for jeff uh jeff and barry showed up and they held a seance and the first conversation they had with a ouija board oh snap they asked how many ghosts are there in here and the response was phantoms filled the skies no no they didn't they didn't said why do you target jeff we all know jeff asked that fucking question yeah why is he picking on me and then they said he resembles my killer shut the then they said why do you target jackie and they said energy and they said what kind of energy and they said dead and then they said i must go now the sun has come i don't like any of this the cameras were rolling the whole time and they captured nothing it looks as if they were just sitting there it doesn't even sound like they

said anything out loud it's just it looks like a constant running footage of them just sitting there not talking it like totally recorded a whole other reality i have goosebumps so wait when they heard when they got the answers was it like they audibly heard it or was it no it was all spelled out oh on the ouija board right okay so their equipment kept inexplicably switching off this entire time and another spirit that came through on the Ouija board told them that it was the spirit of the man that she kept seeing and it was a man who died in San Pedro Harbor when he was 18 years old in the 1930s which is the dream that she kept having Jesus Christ and his murderer lived in the house that she was staying in. So he was haunting her while the guy who killed him was also part of the house. Jeff.

Gotta love Jeff. God damn it, Jeff. There wasn't an addict, but they weren't done with him yet. They lifted him into the air and threw him against the wall. Jeff had to be like, are you kidding me? Jeff's like the kid from Magic Cool Bus. He's like, I knew I should have stayed home today. Just like, can't escape.

He's Arnold. He's Arnold from Magic Cool Bus. He's like, oh, no. Not again. So he was then dropped on the floor unconscious. And when he woke up, he said that he felt something squeezing the inside of his diaphragm before he passed out. I'm sorry, the inside of his diaphragm? Like his insides, like not squeezing around his body and hurting his diaphragm, but like almost a hand inside of him.

Like his guts. That's what I feel like every day. Hashtag Crohn's disease. Am I right, guys? Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

So after this, Jackie moved several times throughout the years and the farther she moved away, the farther she moved away, the less frequent her visits with these spirits would be. She should have moved to Russia or something. Oh, for sure. So over time, the hauntings actually have ended for her. Thank God. But the original home in San Pedro still gets complaint of paranormal activity and no tenants have ever lived there for more than six months.

No. Six months? Yeah. Holy shit. complaint of paranormal activity and no tenants have ever lived there for more than six months no six months yeah holy shit jackie also this is just a fun fact um she has said that when she lived in the san pedro house there was a ball of light that once appeared to her and she followed it and it took her to a graveyard 13 blocks down from her house and it hovered over one grave and the stone marker was john damon so after this whole seance and everything after digging through records she identified that uh the spirit that came through in the ouija board his name was herman hendrickson and he had drowned in the 1930s and the picture of him was the picture of the guy that she had seen in her dreams oh no so that was one of the guy one of the spirits that had been following her around was the guy who died right as for the ghost of

the old man that kept staring at her on her son's bed um jackie determined it was the man who probably built the home just as a guess because in the seance it said something about the guy who lives in this house killed me so she was like okay maybe it's the guy who built the home right um through looking through more records she found out that the guy who used to build or who built the home and used to live there his name was john damon which is the grave marker she found through this white light and he was only buried 13 blocks away from the house that she lived in slash he built i just got chills so the only skeptical part of this that we can find is that if you really look at the records the guy that drowned herman hendrickson that was the ghost that kept haunting her in her dreams when he died he was 28 years old not eight he was

28 years old not 18 like he said on the ouija board but a lot of people have come back and said like if you've ever used a ouija board like the marker could have been pointing at one or two, and you don't know. Also, the last thing I'm going to say about this is, according to Dr. Barry Taff, the guy who led this. Right. He was such a douche about this. said that Jackie was a classic poltergeist victim because she had been abused by men and had mental anguish and depression, which made her a perfect vulnerable victim for negative energies. So he's victim blaming basically as the paranormal world for a parapsychologist.

He's even that's assuming that there's even ghosts because his next quote is there is no such thing as the paranormal. It is a misnomer. Wait, so he's a para what? Parapsychologist. Isn't that about paranormal? Parapsychology is the supernatural. So wait, he doesn't believe in the supernatural?

Most people don't. When I did my investigations, a lot of them were actually astrophysicists. Yeah, but if you're a parapsychologist, doesn't that imply that you're... Usually, surprisingly, if people are in that field their job is to debunk not feed into the idea really yeah so like a lot of people that i investigated with were scientists trying to debunk the stuff that we were doing so what's his point in that statement basically that there's this one theory um called recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis, which I think it's called RSPK. I haven't really talked about it in a while, but I think the original idea of it is that there's no such thing as the

supernatural. It's just us using either our third eye or like the other 90% of our brains that we don't know that we're capable of using. It's like us conducting enough mental energy to actually do these things. And because we don't have explanation. So it's coming from more within ourselves. Correct. Okay. I got you. So he doesn't think there's anything paranormal about any of this.

He actually thinks that she had a crush on the photographer. No. Oh, God forbid. I really hoped it was Jeff. Jeff is Tina's man. Excuse me. It's a love triangle. They think he said, well, Jackie really liked the cameraman, Barry Conrad.

And every time that she wanted to get close with Barry Conrad, he was always around Jeff. And so she was mentally trying to push Jeff away and was causing all this shit to happen to him. Like, how petty do you have to be that you can mentally hang someone in an attic to keep them away from your man that isn't your man, but is your man? I think a lot of people wish they had that strength. Trust me, if I had that strength, I would, I wouldn't. Oh, what would you do? Let's never mind.

Let's skip that. Let's just say if someone was ever hitting on Allison in front of me, if I could conduct that kind of mental energy, I would for sure drag them through an attic. You think? If I could, I would. If you could, but right. So I don't think like.

So I think Dr. Barry Taff is full of SHIT. You know what I think? Tell me. I think Dr. Barry Taff had a little crush on Jackie and or Jeff. Maybe Jeff. We don't know. Not Jeff. Barry, the one that she had a crush on.

And maybe he was like being petty himself. Yeah. Oh, she just was. It was a double petty. Trying too hard. Anyway, the truth will never be known. However, there is an update that as of 2008, people still aren't living in the house for more than a couple months.

Yowza. So the best part of my story. There's more? Yeah. yowza so the best part of my story there's more yeah because gary was taking pictures to use the flash uh-huh he got pictures of jeff getting hanged yeah what so if you go online and look up i'm scared the san pedro haunting and look up like je getting hanged. It's there. And there's like all these shots that Gary got of him getting hanged like mid drag. What?

Are you kidding? Look. Okay. You got it. If I get, if I die, please erase all of my. Yeah. So Gary was not a good friend in the sense of like, if your friends die, you have to clear their internet history.

Like this guy left all of the almost murders. Oh my God. god oh my god oh my god oh my god yeah and what the fuck did you make me look that up click them no i won't make them bigger and i'm fucking freaking out what is this i want to see delete it no no no x out that's him set my computer on fire right now so that's him getting dragged up on the rafter remember he was getting hanged on the rafter um so then this was them trying to pull him down afterwards this is right before they tried to like pull him down and so all these other videos so like if you were to go google what did you google image i can't read what you google san pedro haunting okay so if anyone google images san pedro haunting you'll see a bunch of stills that look like it's a home video that's because remember they were filming all of this so there's

actually in that documentary that barry conrad made a lot of it is footage from that night so he has there's footage of them walking through the house and everything and then there's a bunch of stills that gary got when he was trying to go save jeff and jeff is definitely hanging so that is that that is creepy as fuck yep that really creeped me out yeah and i don't even think it's just this room with the creepy cellar. I mean, truly, as a child, with the heart and mind of a child, what could be scary when you're under a pillow fort? I think that's what it is. The plunger in the middle of us.

It's the plunger. Yeah, we can get ourselves out of any old situation. It's kind of like a Captain Underpants theme we've got going on. It really is. Yeah. We've got an empty crate, a children's bed sheet. You don't even have children. Where's this children's?

Is this from when you were a child? I think my mom was like, oh, here's a bunch of sheets. And we just have a pile of sheets that we never use. Well, thanks, Renata, for this opportunity. Renata, thank you for the sports-themed bed sheet. It's like football's on the sign. As you know, we're a very athletic family. Right, of course.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. All right. Listen, I got a wild ride for you today. You ready for some crime? Mm-hmm. Okay. This is the story of Jack Unterweger. Or, if you pronounce it in his Austrian name,

Mm-hmm. Unterweger. But I'm not going to say that. What's the difference between an Austrian accent and a German accent? Austrian accents have a much more like rolled R. Like they make a R sound. Oh, okay. I don't know because you said it and it sounded very German.

Oh, it's, I mean, they speak German. It's the same language. They just have a dialect. Oh, okay. Anyway. Are you weird with spiders? Because there's one climbing up a web on the plunger. Oh my, where?

Oh, yes. Oh, he's a little babe. All right. I don't know if you're like queer about that nah i don't really care okay i mean remember that oh yeah remember when you put a gnat on your finger and you just like let it hold you i rescued it it's a baby gnat it wasn't like gonna hurt me all right we'll talk about this another time with our therapist right i'm surprised we don't have a therapist yet together. We should probably get one. We'll talk about it. So Jack Unterweger was born in 1950 in Graz in Austria.

His mother was a Viennese barmaid, which the first time I read this article, I was like, Vietnamese barmaid? Yeah. Viennese. Viennese. I understand. A Viennese barmaid and waitress. Didnese. Viennese. I understand. A Viennese barmaid and waitress. Did you know Vienna is my favorite city in the whole world?

No. Now I'm learning things about you. Fun fact. That's where I want to move someday. No big deal. His father was an American soldier who had been stationed in Italy, and she had met him in Italy. And they had gotten together, and she got pregnant and he peaced out. So she was really young. Um, so she, uh, abandoned Jack when he was a baby with,

and left him with his grandpa and his grandpa's wife. Um, she had her own struggles. He, uh, Jack later said that his mother was a sex worker. It's kind of like debated whether she was or not. Or whether he's just like being vengeful. Exactly. Or whether he's right. Like making stuff up. Um, but when he was three, his mother was arrested for fraud and he was sent to live

with his grandfather. So according to him, um, it's a similar sort of thing where he claimed his father or his grandfather was a violent alcoholic. Um, and it's kind of debated among people whether that's true or not right or whether it's true to the full extent um and he said that his grandfather often brought sex workers around and would have sex with them in their shared bed right oh no fucked up so either, he kind of just had a, it sounds like he had a fucked up time. Um, he started a life of crime really young. Uh, when he was 16, he was arrested for assaulting a sex worker. And, um, he was in and out of prison throughout his young adulthood for petty crimes. So between the years of 1966 and 1975, he was convicted 16 times. Holy crap.

Like convicted 16 times, mostly for sexual assault. Oh shit. And he spent most of those nine years in jail. So he spent a lot of time in jail as a young adult. In December of 1974, Unterweger was 24 years old and he had a girlfriend named Barbara Schultz.

Oh, Schultz. Schultz. There's an O. Oh, okay. Schultz oh schultz schultz there's an o oh okay close which is weird because the other name in this exact paragraph is schaefer oh my god that didn't even occur to me schultz and schaefer instead of schultz and schiefer it's about us shut the fuck up i hope not oh my god i sure as hell hope not oh Oh, my God. Okay. December of 1974, he and his girlfriend, Barbara Schultz, kidnapped an 18-year-old named Margaret Schaefer. Oh, my. And took her into the woods where they tied her up and assaulted her. Oh, my.

Unterwicker demanded sex from her, and when she refused, he beat her to death with a steel pipe before strangling her with her own bra straps. Oh, no. Oh, no. pipe before strangling her with her own bra straps oh no schultz broke down and confessed to the crime or confessed the crime to police um and then ontarrega was arrested in 1976 and when he was on trial he told the court quote i envisioned my mother before me and i killed her oh shit so he literally admitted to wow like he's basically he should have just said into a megaphone, I have mommy problems. Yeah. He has mommy issues, for sure. And he basically, one article I read said he pictured his mother and couldn't stop beating this woman until she was dead.

Yeah. So, anyway, he was arrested and convicted of that. And he was sentenced to life in prison. He was actually illiterate. So he had grown up. He actually was a pimp during his teenage years. And he had done a lot of theft. And that's kind of how he had gotten by as far as money went. Right.

So he had never learned to read or write. And so when he was in prison, he taught himself to read or write. Wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah, got like really into it. And he actually wrote plays, poems, children's stories. In 1983, he wrote an autobiography called Fegefeuer oder die Reise ins Zuchthaus, which means Purgatory or the Trip to Jail,

Report of a Guilty Man, in which he talked about his struggles as the son of a sex worker so that's kind of where he said his mom had been a sex worker and had abandoned him etc etc and the hardships he suffered in prison so within one year the book became this huge bestseller and he became famous for his writing um people nicknamed him the poet of death because he wrote a lot about like his experience with death and his relationship to death um and he it was just really weird it was in the 1980s at this point and um in austria there was this big movement among intellectuals for prison reform so there was this whole social movement of like we can reform prisoners and all they need is a second chance. And, um, it was mostly intellectuals, uh,

journalists, the socialists, leaning parties who were like, we can fix these people and they can right their wrongs and they deserve a second chance essentially. Um, so, uh, Hunter Rager used this to his advantage. So he, uh, saw that, I mean, so his autobiography basically exploded in popularity. Um, they were teaching it in schools. Uh, it was a huge deal. He, people started touting him as the poster boy of prison reform, basically. Um, he was the face of prison rehabilitation. He had essentially essentially as far as like the public i went he had transformed himself from a violent criminal to like this sensitive writer who oh my god understood his wrongs and said i came from a bad background and right right i understand

what i did wrong etc etc so uh people throughout austria basically began lobbying for his release from prison and he had this huge like public backing of like um everybody from politicians to um famous writers even somebody who won the pulitzer prize in 2004 like just really intellectual people who were like no like he gets what he did wrong. We should rally for him to be released. So 15 years into his life sentence, he was released from prison. Wow. What year is it now? So it was 1990 at this point. Um, he had basically gained so much popularity as a writer within the VN Vnese social and intellectual scene that he was basically a celebrity. So these are some of the things that happened after he was released.

So he gave readings throughout Austria and Germany. His plays were performed at national theaters. He began writing as a reporter for the ORF, which is basically the Austrian equivalent of the BBC. He was on TV talk shows regularly. He was a guest of honor at high society cocktail parties. Guest of honor? Yeah, because he was like the poster boy. I remember he put someone in the woods, assaulted them, and then strangled them with her bra

straps because he had a mental breakdown with his girlfriend. Because she wouldn't have sex with him while she was tied to a tree, right? Yeah. Yeah. So he became a murderer because someone wouldn't let him become a rapist. Yeah. So let's just all remember that. That he's the guest of honor now. Yeah, now he gets

a Mustang with a license plate. Jack number one. Jack one. Jesus Christ. Wearing designer clothes. There's photos of him in these weird white suits with cowboy boots and like a big flower. Like one of those weird pastor slash country people. Right.

Country singer outfits like a white suit with a flower. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And cowboy boots. And he would wear those to like these cocktail parties with these rich intellectuals. And he was sort of the guest of honor because he was the reformed and he was also very handsome obviously very smart very white very everything people could latch on to and be right right right oh so gross we can forgive him right very very gross um oh plunger plunger almost attacked one of us that thing hits me in the head i swear to god uh oh by the way if anyone's wondering about the plunger it is brand new and has not been

inside a toilet yet just yet just putting it out this is just its first of many uses who knew this dollar store plunger would be so useful? All right. Oh, the spider's coming down, down the rabbit hole. The itsy bitsy spider went down the plunger rod. Went down the children's sheet. Oh, oh, oh, I didn't like my singing. I blew at it. That was probably rude.

So wait, I'm sorry. You blew a spider into my direction? Fucking asshole. Good times. Okay. So at this point, he was wearing designer clothes, driving a Mustang, had the license plate Jack One. Basically, he had kind of absorbed his new life very quickly. Yeah, he seems to not hate it.

Yeah. It was not horrible for him. So pretty soon, he began crime reporting. So people were like, oh, you can write for Austrian News and, like, report on crime because you're a reformed prisoner, so you have a unique, a quote, unique perspective. Okay. So they let him basically be a crime reporter. God. He was touted as an expert on criminal rehabilitation rehabilitation so they basically thought he was the perfect fit um he worked he at one point was working on a streak of murders that

was happening around the area targeting sex workers and was a harsh critic of the police and how they handled the case uh little did they know he was reporting on crimes that he was committed. It's the perfect storm. Damn it. I wanted to shock you. It just seems too, it just seems too good to be true. I was going to go on further. And I was like,

there's no way I'm not going to realize what's happening. No. As you said, the sentence, you got me. I know. So it's very catch me if you can. It is,

which is my favorite movie. It's actually a very good movie. It's a great movie. Yeah. So essentially he was literally criticizing police on their handling of cases that he was involved in. What a dream for him to be like this Adonis in the limelight. Yeah. And people are giving him whatever he wants. And then he now has a job where he is expected to report on and bully essentially and like

make fun of the authorities for not being able to catch him. Yeah. Isn't that wild? While he's also like being seen as this like wonderful high honor. Like an artist and a whatever he wants to be it's just crazy it's like the dream job for a narcissist yeah oh for sure so he somehow got himself you're getting glorified and you get to make fun of people for not for like putting the wool over their eyes every time while you're committing the crimes you want to be committing yeah so it's like

you get everything you want out of it um so yeah it was just like the most narcissistic thing where he was like in in front of everyone's eyes and wasn't getting caught so yeah uh at one point uh so the first murder occurred four months after his release from prison so he'd been in prison 15 years within four months he had he murdered somebody shit he was in prague researching a magazine article on the red light district when a Czech sex worker named Blanka Bokova was strangled with her own bra. Oh, my God. Sound familiar? Over the next six months, Ontarueger murdered seven other women in Austria over six months. Oh, my God.

All sex workers and all strangled with their bra straps. Oh, right. It's like this like. It's like his thing. Right. He dumped most of their bodies in the woods outside Vienna or Graz. Police in Vienna grew suspicious of Unterweger, and because they didn't have any other leads,

they turned to him as their main suspect. So at one point they realized he had been to the U.S. recently in June of 1991 because he had been commissioned to write a piece for the ORF, which is that like BBC for Austria, on crime in Los Angeles. So they called the LAPD and said, you know, we have this guy that we're looking into. Basically, Interpol got involved and they said, do you have any open cases of sex workers who had been strangled with their underwear, with their bras? And the LAPD said, we have three within a one month period. And they looked and it was the month that he had been in Los Angeles reporting on prostitution in Hollywood. Oh, my gosh.

So. In addition to being strangled with their own bras it turns out they were also assaulted with tree branches oh my god apparently uh he had been commissioned to write a piece on um prostitution in hollywood he'd actually been on several ride-alongs with cops the lapd had let him sit in the cars and they showed him all around the city, showed him where the sex workers were stationed, where they worked, gave them kind of, gave him kind of the, I'm just giving him like everything, everything, all the cake. And he ate it too.

He was the most, yeah. Yeah. It was like a, again, a narcissist wet dream. He basically got led around trying to quote unquote, write an article on crimes he was about to commit. And they were just taking him to all the hot spots and they gave him all the like information on where they worked and where you know where they would get picked up and etc etc um basically gave him an up-close look at prostitution in la um and guess what hotel he stayed in fun fact uh i don't know. The Cecil Hotel.

Oh, no. I would have not guessed that. Elisa Lam drowned in the water tank. Richard Ramirez, the night stalker, stayed. And the Black Dahlia stayed there. I would just stop working at the Cecil Hotel. Before her murder. I would just be like, nah.

But yeah, so that's where he stayed, which just adds to the list of... So basically, guys, our first live tour will be at the cecil hotel yeah it was a never mind nope never mind no we won't we can bring our blanket fort to the cecil as long as it'll fit right in we'll walk in with a plunger and they'll be like listen we we've seen weirder things happen here so once police realized that um ontarigger was connected to all of these, they had enough evidence to invade his apartment in Vienna. But unfortunately, he had caught wind of what was happening and he had fled with his 18-year-old girlfriend to Miami, Florida. 18.

18. He was 45, 40-something. 40 enough. 40-something. 40 too much. 18. He was 45, 40 something. 40 enough. 40 something. 40 too much. They went to Miami, apparently because she was obsessed with Miami Vice. Well, if I were to go to Miami, same.

Can you imagine being the girlfriend and being like, oh, honey, I just, I'm obsessed with this show. Just take me to Miami. Oh, my God. Like, what the fuck? It's like, couldn't you be like invested in something that's like in rome or that's what i was wondering i just love that owen wilson movie midnight in paris you're obsessed blaze eiffel tower blaze blaze blaze uh he okay so basically they went to miami apparently he wasn't. So when he murdered all these women, he basically

somehow managed to not leave any sort of trace aside from just their bodies. So there was a long time before they obviously even realized what was happening. But when he was on the lam, apparently he was terrible at it. And they just immediately followed his credit cards to the hotel he was staying. Oh God. So he was he was not smooth well also it's a very narcissistic thing eventually just gets so cocky they're like oh well they won't find me no matter what you're ultimately going to get caught exactly throw like you're just rubbing things in their face and eventually one of them's gonna stick that's so true like he was so in everyone's face so they caught him pretty quickly um they extradited him to austria

the entire time he proclaimed his innocence he said he had nothing to do with it uh he was charged with 11 homicides and 11 and he was found guilty of nine of them on june 29th, 1994, Unterweger was sentenced to life in prison. Again. Again. I read a New York Times article that said when he was being tried for his crimes, 20 women sat in the courthouse public galleries weeping. Because they were convinced of his innocence. No.

Because he was so narcissistic, charming and the typical psychopath. Like he was charming. He was handsome. He was so slimy that he was able to. It was mostly women that he was able to rope in and convinced that he was. Right. Just a God and had nothing to do with any of this. So he had 20 women in the public gallery just sobbing when he was convicted because they were all convinced that

he had nothing to do with it and one woman even said with the work that he had written he had to be made of love there's no other way that he had written like the writings he did unless he was what an idiot full of her name tina tina and jeff were there tina and jeff were weeping tenfold jeff was like trying to take photos, but his lens just kept flying across the room. He was like getting dragged around the attic. Oh, for sure. It was just a hard time for everybody. Okay.

So the DA's office. So basically he was convicted of nine of the murders. So he was sentenced to life. The DA's office, so basically he was convicted of nine of the murders. So he was sentenced to life. The DA's office celebrated the victory. They went out, they partied till 3 a.m. They were so excited that they had, you know, put him away for good. The next, they partied till 3 in the morning. The next morning they found out that hours after his conviction, he had turned a cord from his pants into a noose and hanged himself in his prison cell.

And he had said before, when somebody asked him, what do you plan to do? He said, I plan to appeal this ruling. And since he had killed himself before the court could hear an appeal his guilty verdict is not legally legally binding so because he said he was going to appeal and then he died yeah he's not guilty in the eyes of the law oh what the fuck so all of the family members and people who don't get that peace or that justice which is such a narcissistic thing to do too of like oh i'd rather kill myself and know that i'm the one that wins. Yes.

Yes. I think a politician at one point called it his best murder because he just was able to just erase everything. Yeah. It's awful. It doesn't give them the chance to have closure or anything. That sucks. You're right. Like, he wins because he got to make the decision.

Because he knows that everyone else is still sad and he holds all the power. And nobody else got to end his life. He ended his own life. Yeah. So that's what happened with him. And John Malkovich played him in a play, I believe a theater play. Oh, wow. That premiered in Malibu, I believe.

You guys. What? At the end of every episode, it's always you guys. You guys listen. Listen. Listen. Listen to me right now. Stop what you're doing.

When does this come out? So this comes out the 24th. So we have exactly one week. So the next episode comes out on the same day that the listener episode comes out. Okay, good. So let's all remember that. You have a week to send in more stories. Also, I'm still super excited for our next Facebook Live event.

I was thinking about that again. I'm so excited. What do you think? It'll be early October. I would say early October because I'm also really excited. I want to do ASAP. Nice. We've gotten a lot of orders on... Our big cartel. Yeah, and all of that has gone out this week. So, you know, go buy stuff if you want. Send us fan letters. We haven't gotten a lot of fan mail recently.

I know. And I miss it, guys. Guys, we just want presents. I'm not saying I'm a narcissist. I'm just saying I thrive off of how you treat me. So treat me well. It's not that hard. Don't treat us like Jeff or Tina. No, treat us like Jack. Treat us like Jack. You know. It's not, again. Don't treat us like Jeff or Tina. No, treat us like Jack.

Treat us like Jack. You know, it's not, again, not difficult to do. Wait, which one's Jack? The narcissist that thrived regardless of however he lived his life. Oh, I thought you meant Jackie. So our stories today were Jack and Jackie. Jackie and Schultz and Schaefer. Oh my God, what's happening?

Basically, we're slowly inching up to the matrix. No thanks. As we inch closer to my cellar. Yeah. As the door inches closer to us. Creepy. All right. Well,

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