And That's Why We Drink - E346 A Witch's Rap Battle and a Cursed Fart

Episode Date: September 24, 2023

It's episode 346 and if seven people fart in the woods, then, sorry, you're possessed now! This week Em takes us down an old English rabbit hole with the story of John Darrell, one of the most fraudulent exorcists of all time. Then Christine covers the devastating case of Lucie Blackman. Thither is a shit of an able bodied horse... and that's why we drink!

hey you hey you what's what's going on um okay i tried to do a cool casual thing where i was like oh am i something cool to say in the intro and i've got so wigged out that now i'm feeling insecure about it but got wigged out me yeah you were like okay and now i feel like i've stepped on your toes no the okay was you saying ask why i drink which was like that was the plan i know but sometimes we get on a topic and then like spend 15 minutes and i have like a big thing so i want to get to it before we like you know go the wrong direction so okay hang on hang on oh hey christine why do you why do you drink oh um that's a great question um thank you so much for thinking of me so we got this i don't know if you've gotten this yet i feel like you would

have told me but we got these this package is a belated birthday gift and i don't know how often you check your mail over there but uh we i finally checked my mail and we got this amazing fucking birthday package and it's from the and that's where i drink secret gift group of course because they're always doing things and they were like you all they basically said like you two innocently say something like we want to like make it happen. And then they like actually do. So this year, last year they made those tarot cards.

Remember? This year they made fucking cryptid trading cards. Like you said you wanted, like, remember we talked about baseball cards and like, you were like, I wish they were. Yeah. No, I remember. Yeah. Oh my gosh. What do you were like, I wish they were. Yeah, no, I remember. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

What do they look like? Lemon Mascots League. Oh, my God. And they have like another whole thing where each cryptid has its own like player quick facts. And it has the artist, their Instagram handle. Oh, sorry. My baby's in the camera going, Mama their Instagram handle. Oh, sorry. My baby's in the camera going, Mama, hold me. Oh.

Mama, help. Hold on a second. Sorry. Is it a ghost? No, she keeps saying, Mama, help. Hold on. She probably dropped her passy. Do you need to go get it?

I have to send Blaze in. Mommy's working um anyway back to work working to pay for more passies just for you that's right by the way those things are like fucking socks they disappear and i'm like buying new ones every few weeks um okay oh my gosh okay but by the way the first card in the pack this is wild because you just covered this and they would have no way of knowing. Baba Yaga. Right?

Oh, that gave me chills. That was so wild. I turned the pack over and I was like, that's the first card that appeared. And it was, I opened it yesterday and you had just covered it. Of course, the next one is fucking Bagel Bites. But there's so many cute ones. They're just so talented and creative. And I can't wait for you to open yours so that um we both can have a pack can we talk about this

this one has you on it it says the eugene emeralds oh that's a that's one of uh my my mini my minor leagues minor league team oh my god the fredericksburg ever napper it's napa clock somewhere it's em wearing a shirt that says it's nap o'clock somewhere. It's your own baseball card. I feel like I got to read the stats for that. Hold on one second. Oh, my God. That's the most important one.

Wow. Oh, my gosh. So just like our tarot cards, which we were very lucky to get from them last time, it seems like every person gets to pick a card to make and then it builds out a whole deck. Exactly. The individual artists. So the Evernapper was created by Darlene SheHer and Darlene Blankenship is her Facebook. And it says player quick facts can be found napping in the dugout. Fucking wooden bench like laid out best friends with the Herstein shifter and hates lemons. Where can this crypto be found Fredericksburg Virginia with recent spottings in Los Angeles. May I make an addendum that says Burbank high school campus.

Please don't say I've been found on a high school campus. I didn't mean like that. I just let's just say Burbank High School Campus. Oh, please don't say I've been found on a high school campus. I didn't mean it like that. Let's just say Burbank. Let's just say Burbank. Is there a real team with this mascot? Not yet, is what it says. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't actually, thank you for telling me.

I did not know that I could expect that anytime soon. But since I don't have anything to show on my end, I will quickly show the,'s why we tarot to people yes oh also genius also genius where and i oh sorry go ahead i was gonna say where all the tarot cards are the same situation i i this is an unopened one they i was lucky enough they gave us a few and this is my display one and so i haven't even opened it because if something ever happens to my other one i have you have a back but i know i love i just i spilled a candle all over both of them so that's where i'm at yeah it's fine it's just because the box is shiny so i was able to scrape most of it off but i was like wow i really am a mess um but then as i was opening my mail this was in there what look at this fucking oil portrait of giovanni bernard schieffer

lampagnali wow i mean this is by the ravios art i hope i'm saying that right um ravi i think sent it and it is like stun I mean stunning and I've already took a bunch of photos of Gio and the portrait side by side um and then just as like a little hat trick so to speak um I I've been in like a kick with my squishmallows like you know I have Letitia Lemon squishmallow um whom I love And then my brother and I did a Beachy Sandy episode where we read reviews of Squishmallows and I got just so invested. And so the other day I took an edible and I went shopping on the internet, which is just the most dangerous game I play. And I, I bought, oh, I forgot him downstairs. So I bought myself a little moth.

And the problem was his name is Barrett and the problem was it's a canadian exclusive at only certain gas stations in canada and so they so that's the only place to find them so i had to go on like poshmark and spend like 30 on this tiny little thing but i needed him so he's downstairs in my bed but um i also bought myself this navy blue Bigfoot Squishmallow named Danny. She's so cute. And I love her. It's like a comfort. Did you name her Danny?

No, that's just her name. Yeah. Gotcha. And then I opened my mail yesterday. And this is a Squishmallow that I said I had fallen in love with and always wanted. And somebody mailed it to me a listener actually and uh this is avery my mallard i'm very happy for you i i don't understand the allure of a squishmallow but um i understand like what they feel like they They feel great. They're sensory-wise.

Yes, they do. But I've never been a collector of any stuffed animals. I just have such a, as you know, a compulsion to anthropomorphize everything and fall in love with it. fall in love with it i think uh my thing is like i if i know there's like a wild amount of something that i could collect then i'm either i think half the reason is i get overwhelmed very quickly that i'm like oh i can never collect all of them and two if i try to collect all of them i think i would start feeling really guilty halfway through because take over your life and money yeah so like that's why i never got into like funkoops or anything like that because I knew I knew early on that it was gonna be bad so I just never let myself I feel like I very specifically I don't even want to

collect them I just like grow attached to very specific ones so I have like my little characters that I that I love and um if you guys have not seen Avery the Mallard I think I genuinely think it's the funniest squishmallow they've ever created. He has these round eyes. He's so epic. This is another Canadian. They're all Canadian, these ones. I don't know.

He does look like he has seen how he's going to die and win. You're right. He's looked into a witch's eyes and had a really traumatic experience. Can I read his little bio? It says, don't let Avery's size fool you. He is a skilled left wingman for the mallows rugby team and one day wants to be a coach his whole family comes to watch and they bring popsicles to celebrate once the game is over it's like it's

like they asked a five-year-old what the bio should be which i appreciate i think they might have um so you know i just i just love them and um i was so excited because this arrived yesterday my bigfoot squish um my barrett moth arrived yesterday i have to bring him i'll show him next episode because he is a delight and then avery arrived from fan mail and i was like this is the best i'm i'm really having a you're having a day crisis i don know. I don't think that's a midlife crisis. Thank you. There's no age on appreciating a good anything. Look at us.

And then Letitia's over there. So I got the whole gang. Anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there. Anyway, and why do you drink besides my erratic compulsions? Well, no, I appreciate your erratic compulsions because today I feel like I really threw everyone like, oh gosh, you did not. I didn't realize you were actually feeling guilty about that. Please do not. I, well, I just, I felt bad cause I, I didn't, I thought we were recording a listeners episode. And so I was scrambling to do notes in time,

but I only had like an, like an hour or so to like make sure my notes look good enough for an episode I just so I feel like I went into a tizzy and I feel like like you know on the sidelines I put everyone else into a tizzy so which even if it's not true my brain has decided that's what happened so um well I don't know if it's better or worse for me to tell you you're fine and it's all good and we're, we didn't even think twice about it. So I know that your brain's going to tell you whatever it's going to tell you, but if it needs a counterpoint, I'm here. Oh, thank you. I do appreciate that. I will say my reason, a good reason I drink my, let's find something that's going on in my life.

uh hmm let's find something what's going on in my life uh oh i found as you might recall uh the escape room that i made you forever ago uh i apparently after you left i just like shoved it all in the back of a closet and like but i recently have been going through my stuff and cleaning up that closet like the physical escape room i thought you meant the the online one no no no on the uh if you follow patreon you might have seen it a few years ago for christine and eva i made them i made like i made like the most unhinged activity ever and then i turned around and made it the most unhinged youtube video of all time it's a great video i still watch it sometimes it's crazy town like even i screaming a fish like i will never forget that moment um i turned i turned my apartment into an escape room um and i it's a great video if you're a part of patreon please go watch it um but i just found all of the

like 15 treasure chests with like combination locks all super glued to them like i just found like a whole bunch of stuff but it has um i was trying to figure out locks i was trying to figure out how to like reuse them and so i've i feel like i'm about to have an artsy moment like i found here's one uh oh i don't know if i could show it to you i remember i like i found like the um like a mag i found out ways to like make magnet yes i was that was the one where i was so stupid i was like m needed to like break character and be like use the fucking magnet idiot and i was like okay so it's called safety first i think this is for babies it's like a baby lock i now i see them everywhere and i have them and i'm like wow I was really dumb back then but yeah it's like you use the magnet

to unlock. It was pre-baby. So I like this was they had a Christine had to find this first and then there was a box that had an X marks a spot and then you had to use this to unlock the box and so it became a whole thing but I recently found it again and I'm like oh how do I use this again in

my life? I'm very excited. I the reason I drink is I feel like I feel a creativity burst about I'm so excited that's honestly uh to me one of the best feelings when you get on that kick of like I have a project and I have a goal and something a vision a creative vision love that feeling. I love a vision. Well, anyway, that's why I drink. What are you drinking before we get into this? Oh, you know what? This is going to shock everyone. I'm drinking water.

What the fuck? Wow. Don't crash your car. I know that's startling, but I am drinking water for the first time ever on this show. So cheers. Congratulations. In a big Stanley. In a Stanley because apparently I'm a basic bitch and I watched one TikTok two years ago and was like, I need that.

What is wrong with you? Is it the 40 ounce? It's a big one. I feel like isn't the 40 ounce the big one? I don't know. It's the one that's always on teacher talk i know i was gonna make fun of you for being a teacher but i didn't know if that was too niche but i just love teacher talk and so i just sometimes end

up there well speaking of teachers i am apparently the child because i'm drinking juice boxes i have sorry i didn't ask i was busy hyd. I have orange lava burst and torrential tropical punch. Oh, yum. I like high C. I miss that stuff. I love high C. And I've been recently making it useful with mocktails. Oh, that's fun.

Yeah, I've been loving it. Okay, I just went to a wedding, and this was the first time I'd seen this. And you know how they have the couple, each has like a cocktail like his and hers cocktail like custom cocktail so hers was like a mojito and then his was a mocktail and I was like oh that's great because he doesn't drink I guess so I was like oh that's so fun his custom drink was a mocktail and I was with a girl who just told me she was pregnant and so I was like oh my god this is like the best wedding she got all these like cute blueberry lemonades because she was like, I never get to have like a cocktail, a mocktail, you know, like a pretty drink. So she was very excited.

And I was like, that's such a clever idea to have like a custom mocktail at your wedding. It's so lovely. Yeah, I was really into that. I mean, I wasn't because I didn't want it, but I was into it for everyone else. I wonder if you could spike it, though, if you could have like the mocktails and just like add something to it. I just put some vodka in there for sure. Yeah. Okay.

Well, now that we know what we're drinking and why, a reminder to stay hydrated and drink some water, everybody. This is your weekly reminder. I can finally follow the rules. I'm so proud of myself. And with that, we've got um scary story well that's i i don't know how scary mine are i feel like yours are definitely the scarier ones because they're more based in reality but a lot of people can't listen to the your hat like i feel like a lot of people are like too scared of the ghost stuff which is really yeah people have told me that oh interesting i feel like a lot of people only listen to your half i don't think so i genuinely don't think so

i feel like i feel like i mean i don't want there to be a poll out there i'm not trying to like imply no no no we don't want to know but i don't like i don't actually want to know but i feel like we're part of the true crime podcast community. I feel like people really come for the true crime. And I feel like I'm just kind of like an additive if people want something else. I feel like come for the true crime, stay for all the ghosts. But some people, no, but to be fair, though, a lot of people do see our logo and are like, oh, my God, Ouija board. Like they come for the spooky stuff, you know.

Maybe, but they see Ouija board covered in blood, you know? Listen, I don't know. Look, where peanut butter and jelly, some people like peanut butter, some people like jelly. I just think some people like jelly a little more than the peanut butter. That's all. I like both together. So, you know, that's me being the people pleaser always. That's very nice. Okay. Well, for those who do listen to my half, hello. very nice okay well for those who do listen to my half hello uh it's about to begin hello you're acting like nobody's ever listened to you talk before hello i'm finally here here is uh a biopic of john darryl who uh is now considered one of the most fraudulent exorcists of England. Oh, this is a true crime. Yeah.

See, am I stepping on toes? Let's find out. So he was born, this guy's John Darrell. He was born in 1562. Cool. And he was born in England. And it's a town in Nottinghamshire which I know I'm saying

in the most bastardized way Nottinghamshire Do they say shire or shire? Oh wait, Nottinghamshire Nottinghamshire Like Hampshire, like New Hampshire New Hampshire? Maybe they say New Hampshire

Wow, if they were listening before, they're not now. You had six ghost-loving people in England, and they've all left. So fucking hell, you're losing all our ghost-based listeners. I like to think they have their own nickname for a town like that with so many letters. Do they just call themselves like Ensher? N-H-S? I doubt it, because I feel like that's probably a really common ending for these towns. So you'd have to do something more like specific.

The knot. Or the naughty knots, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's where he was born in 1562. And then 15... He would not have understood any word of what we just said, by the way. Like if he traveled in time and like witnessed this conversation, most of the words he probably wouldn't even understand what was happening it's weird to think about that is weird wow well like i'm gonna actively even when i keep saying

like he'd be like what are you i don't know he would think we all have a tick that's true. We probably do. He was born in 1562, and in 1579, he graduated from Queen's College. And he was planning to study law in London, but that did not work out. He was born in the midst of the Protestant Reformation, when England was splitting from the Catholic Church. And he was an Anglican. splitting from the catholic church and he was an anglican and some anglicans including him became puritans because he thought that the protestant church was still too catholic and wanted they wanted stricter reforms so what is wrong with those people but okay sure so he leaned toward puritanism very very hard um and loved how strict uh he was that's excellent and he gained a reputation as somewhat of an unofficial spiritual leader but by 1586 there was already talks of

either witchcraft or demonic possession going on and there was a rumor that there was a girl in town named katherine wright and she was possessed oh no her neighbor recommended getting help from john because he you know a good strict pious man and reminder he does not have like any qualifications regarding demonic possession he's not gone to be a reverend right like he's just no part of the religion he's just strong with god so they were like he will do okay okay so john goes to catherine's house to pray and expel the demons from her but it did not work can you believe it because he again had no qualifications uh his excuse was that the demons were just too powerful and sure he declares that the demons could not be acting alone so now again completely off the handle no qualifications to suggest this he goes oh the demons they're not

acting alone obviously there's a witch in town that's causing this obviously there's no other explanation so to help katherine john demands i guess he's like i'm still in this with you but i don't know a witch is at fault he decides he's going to help katherine and demands that she stays awake and fasts and prays up to three three days at a time so for three days no food no sleep just praying um during her fast she allegedly accuses another woman of practicing witchcraft and so and this woman's name is margaret roper um and i mean mind, again, she was sleep deprived. She was starving. She was losing her mind. So out of desperation, probably she just said Margaret Roper's name, which we've talked about it a million times. We are not the only people to think about this, but it is wild that just. any name that came to someone's mind, they're now a victim of this too.

It could be someone you like, someone you know, your own parent, like especially if you're being tortured, which I'm not necessarily saying that's what's happening, but she's at least being coerced into a very bad place. Mm-hmm. Well, so she said Margaret Roper's name and this was a time,

this was, by the way, a time when there was only like bad magic currently that that could be illegal like they still had some people practicing good magic or not everyone was burned at the stake for witchcraft it was only if you were doing harm to others okay um it gets worse though i'm in the future but But I was going to say, look out, good witches. At this point in time, it's just bad magic. So apparently Margaret is the reason that Catherine is possessed, and Margaret must have sent the demons over. For what?

We don't know. And John not only wanted to get rid of these demons and Catherine, but decided that the law needed to be involved. Oy vey. Of course. This is where I give everyone a very quick, fun history fact, which is that in 1562, which ironically I think is the year he was born. Yeah, look at that.

That sounds right. 1562. Queen Elizabeth I passed the Act Against Conjur conjurations enchantments and witchcrafts which this is where i also remind you when i worked at chipotle uh the recipe book was called like spells potions and incantations and so conjurations enchantments and witchcraft sounds very similar they ripped that off from chipotle they did i don't know if that's like something that people aren't supposed to know but the recipe book at chipotle is i didn't know that at least the one at mine was i don't know for all i know they just like slipped it in like the top of your friend just did it for fun but i i have the i've

never seen another recipe book from chipotle. That's really fun. I actually really like that. Thank you. I'll tell Chipotle. Okay. So Queen Elizabeth passed this act, and it was the predecessor to the Scottish Witchcraft Act of 1603. And it helped move witchcraft legislation from the church to the general courts. So it was making things a legal matter and this act created a two strike system where the first time you're caught performing witchcraft or at least at this time

bad witchcraft it was a felony that ended in a harsh prison sentence and then the second time you get caught you are put to death. Oh, Lord. Okay. If the crime was bad enough or if you had someone like pretty aggressively against you and had some sort of power per se in this, they would just skip the felony and you would just be put to death on the first strike. Oh, my God. Okay. That just seems like so unfair. And so, I mean, why am I shocked shocked i don't know circumstantial yeah yeah yeah or like uh what do you call it subjective it's so subjective so if it was bad enough to

someone you could just be put to death great knowing this john the puritan okay made a formal accusation against margaret and attempted to have her prosecuted but it it failed at least um in fact I don't know what Margaret I don't know how she had her hands playing in this but not only did they deny John to prosecute Margaret but the courts dismissed John and even threatened to throw him in prison for false accusations oh oh wow that you don't see that very often no so i was i don't know how like maybe he accidentally went and told like margaret's husband about this or something and maybe someone she knows was involved with the courts or maybe he was just like so obviously like a skis bag and maybe he was

no yeah maybe they were like oh this fucking guy you know but like how many times do you ever see like a town defend a woman from witchcraft accusations literally never she must have been incredible like i would say he must have picked the wrong gal to go after yeah i mean to be fair i'm sure other women are i was gonna say they were incredible but this woman had some sort of advantage so maybe it was john craft like maybe it's a full circle she was like i'll fucking hex the shit out of you asshole that would have been amazing if the only woman to get away was actually a witch and right bewitched the entire town to not know otherwise just saying so john decides to forget about margaret and he's like okay this

is a dead end but katherine is still possessed you know even if i think it's margaret's fault too bad whatever it's katherine still possessed so i obviously have to exercise her and this i want to remind everyone i want to remind everyone he's already exercised her and it didn't work um so this is now round two of him saying i'm gonna save her this time uh it did not fail although i like to think that he probably just started telling everybody it was working because god forbid he failed twice um in two weeks sorry first time around it did not work even a little bit this time around he expels eight demons from her in two weeks oh my god i think by doing the exact same steps as the last time i can't

imagine he has a lot of variety to him um so his imagination doesn't seem to be like at the forefront of his personality no he's like this time it'll work just just trust me bro is the source oh god hold my beer so then he skips town and lays low to avoid the magistrate because that was the guy who told him i'm going to like right you know you're you're in trouble if you do anything else about this i will imprison you for false accusations right so that freaked him out enough that after he handled katherine's exorcism he just like left town he's like i don't want to be near this guy i don't want to get caught with anything see ya this though unfortunately cemented his reputation in town as an actual spiritual advisor because he saved catherine and john was later ordained as a minister in another town

of course uh and eventually he would start telling his congregation that the devil was everywhere and when he means everywhere he doesn't just mean like oh the devil is with all of us and trying to you know mess with our thoughts and cause us to sin he meant like the physical devil is around and like walking around just like hiding out yeah just peeking around every corner um okay i don't know who who believed that or who didn't but i mean okay it's hard to disprove that you know it's like no he's not well you just can't he just you he just missed him he's just really stealthy and no one has ever caught him sneaky that motherfucker you'll never spot him

but i can right i was gonna say but he obviously has special relationship had hangouts with this guy yeah john didn't do um another exorcism until the magistrate died because that now he was finally off his back so now he's not scared anymore and he's like okay great i'm gonna go back to exorcisms and i'm gonna go back to saving people okay he finally settles in this town that has been shortened to the name ashby but i think it was called ashby de la de la zouch but it's been shortened to ashby and in 1596 this is when he really ramps it back up and he's like i am here to fix some possessed people. And 13-year-old Thomas Darling goes hunting. What an adorable name. Thomas Darling.

It sounds like a fairy tale. Oh, because it is the name of the family in Peter Pan, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. I think. Wendy Darling. No, you're right. Thomas Darling, 13 years old, he goes hunting in the woods with his uncle one day

and apparently him and his uncle get separated at some point um and when they're reunited the uncle says that thomas is now starting to suffer from fits um very vague very but apparently by the time he gets home he is vomiting hallucinating apparently he's seizing he says that he can he says that he can see a green cat in his room that won't let him sleep that's terrifying oh he also sees angels in the window calls job from the bible his brother and he starts speaking to god by saying heaven opens heaven opens i must go thither not hither thither hither and thither hither and thither i see christ jesus my savior his face shines like the sun and its strength i will go salute him and then he like starts clapping out

of like excitement that he can see jesus oh this is not feeling good mental health wise nope thomas's family thought he must be bewitched which i love that like he's literally seeing god right it feels like this religious family isn't like excited for him i was wondering that too like i see jesus, wouldn't that be the thing you're like, oh, good. Phew. It's like, oh, OK. It says you're on the right direction. Yeah. I guess the vomiting, seizing and hallucinating was probably a lot.

And sure. I don't know anywhere in the Bible. It says, oh, the green cat won't let me go to bed. So poor thing. This is sad. So poor thing. This is sad. So his family is nervous for him and they think he's bewitched and they call local doctor.

The doctor. I don't know. Like, there's so many points in this story where I'm like, oh, they were doing the right thing because they call a local doctor and the doctor's like, he's not he's he has an illness that's causing these symptoms but there's nothing so like they've the town has protected a woman the magistrate went after a preacher or a pastor for his naughty naughties and then the doctor was like he is not a witch he just has he has a sickness that needs to be looked at he has a condition but he's not being possessed i mean that's good good ish i i don't feel good about the rest of your story but it's it's good there's at least points that i usually don't get to talk about yeah it's a different a little bit different than usual

so the doctor's like everyone like chillax it's fine he's he just like we need to take him to a hospital um but thomas goes no mama which i'm assuming that's how he spoke but he says no no mama i actually am indeed bewitched oh no and for some reason they listen to the 13 year old boy and not the doctor but thomas tells his whole family he is bewitched and this is why he's bewitched christine oh it's because he when he was out in the woods he got separated from his uncle he runs into a witch the witch is in a gray dress with three warts on her face and as she walked by he say it with me farted what what what double take she walks by he crop dusts her but i guess not because it's it's loud enough that she hears it oh and she's so offended that she says with a mischief and fart with a bell, I will go to heaven and you will go to hell. Oh, is that her little hex?

I was going to say, I was like, even if that wasn't a witch, she still spoke in rhymes, which I love. Oh, my. And also, if you're a witch, you're not going to heaven, I thought. So, like, your rhyme didn't even make sense. Yeah, you're lying, I think. So, this is just someone who likes to rhyme. going to heaven i thought so like your rhyme didn't even yeah you're lying i think so this is just a someone who likes to rhyme i think she was just in the middle of like trying to like learn to like rap battle rap i was gonna say that

i will say um the beginning of that rhyme she did call him a slur which i'm not going to use oh um so i just if you're wondering why it sounded offbeat it's because i i missed a little step there um but the fact that she says you have a fart a fart like a bell that's crazy that's so say it again without say say it again because i misunderstood it i think because i didn't understand the so maybe can you say like blank where the slur goes? Yes. How do I give you a different definition for what it means? Oh, I don't know.

I can't even begin to imagine what a slur was in the 1500s, to be honest. So it wasn't a slur then, it's a slur now. Oh, I see. And it was the G word. was um the g word let me text it to you no i don't want to text that word either um what do i do can you um can you text it but space out the letters so our nsa agent doesn't know what's going on that feels weird um it starts with a g and ends with a y it's not gay it's um oh i got it i got it i got it i got it so like a what you would call like a romani person yes like an offensive slur for somebody of that culture okay yes how did you figure it out

you just i typed in slurs that start with g oh okay i don't recommend doing that guys it's i'm not proud of it like i'll be honest um anyway so a slur and then i'm just going to go beep as the slur. Okay. Okay. So this is what the witch said to Thomas after he like blasted ass. He goes, you hear bleep with a mischief and fart with a bell. I will go to heaven and you will go to hell. Got it.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, I don't know why she even picked that word for him, but okay. Anyway, after this interaction, then he met up with his uncle and he had these fits.

But Thomas quickly gains fame from this possession and later becomes known as the Boy of Burton. Okay. John was called in to help and he instructed thomas to fast and pray for many days so he's pulling the same stops out he's he's like not doing anything original but it worked for katherine so it must work for him i mean i must and like katherine after days of no sleep and no food thomas accuses a local woman of witchcraft oh boy go figure go figure he accuses alice goodridge

and alice was an easy target because her mom had also been accused before of witchcraft so the town had wondered before that maybe alice is also involved in all what is wrong with these people and also he's a 13 year old boy he must have heard the name around the house or something or maybe his own maybe his own um like school friends or something yeah so alice was brought to thomas's room i don't know why um i guess just to see if the witch would be able to approach the possessed i don't know like what would happen yeah uh and thomas just by looking at her falls into fits uh he starts farting around this motherfucker i know what you're up to little kid i know you're Alice shows up and

Thomas i guess i guess if if she is the witch that that caused these possessions in him he by looking at her freaked out and started scratching her and attacking her and trying to make her bleed and she screams take blood enough child god help thee pray for thyself thy prayer can do me no good okay what does it mean i don't know because i don't speak old english man i was like i thought i got it then i didn't then i did take blood enough child see this is something that like maybe like if you're an english teacher out there maybe just take a whole day where you like help children understand how to read this because then i feel like they did and it was called shakespeare and i still don't understand what the fuck it was called the canterbury tales i mean don't remind me that's a very triggering phrase you just said grendel now how do you feel grendel was rough beowulf was rougher. Pray for thyself.

Thy prayer can do me no good. Okay, so pray for yourself because... Oh, you're right. Okay, I do get it. So it's like, pray for yourself. You're not going to fix me. I don't need any fixing. You're the one who needs help.

You're making me bleed over here. If you are an English teacher and there is writing like this, you need to bring Christine in to translate. She just did a great job. To the youths. use i'll be like it's lit the way you just me and my fucking stanley i'm gonna be like um hello yo uh i don't know i literally can't even pretend like i know any cool words anymore more so sad so tragic well tragic uh so alice was arrested for what like for what i guess for witchcraft but she didn't she was the one that was attacked she was like yo why are you making me bleed and so they interrogate her and when they're interrogating her the prosecutors find witch marks on her body which yikes because witch marks could mean oh they found like thomas like scratched her up and

this is indications of like his possession but historically witch marks are when um the courts make a woman undressed so they can find one blemish on her and claim that it is proof of her being a witch i just want all these men to get naked and be like look at my fucking porcelain skin yeah right you fucking show your smooth flawless skin you idiot like truly like it could be a freckle it could be like a freckle like a skin tag like i mean what are you talking about it's a sign that you're a witch so basically if you are not a hundred percent perfect to their beauty standards you're a witch are we surprised even if you are they'll a little boy will scratch you and leave a scar and now you are a fucking witch so you can't

win you could be perfect and then guess what that must be witchcraft because that's true too like oh she must be hiding them you think if you're a witch you could like get rid of your third nipple or like your skin tag or your right exactly if i had the magic to make myself i knew that that would be yeah if that would be a problem and i knew like oh they're gonna find uh this scar and sam a witch i can't i just hex that away i don't know like didn't didn't nobody even think like if there was a witch around here they would hex all of us to not let us figure that out that gets me every time i'm like why do you feel like you if it were witchcraft that you'd be able to overpower her like it doesn't make sense

yeah why would you be able to outsmart a magical being yes because they're men i guess and they just are literally so fucking stupid so fucking stupid uh. I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know. Not all men. Just the theory. Just all the ones that burned women and also stood along and let men burn women. But whatever. Sick. Sick.

You know who wasn't? That goddamn magistrate who defended Margaret Roper at the beginning of this episode. Yeah. Wait a minute. If she were a witch. Fine. You're right. Not all men.

Just one from 1562, apparently. Okay. All men except that magistrate guy yeah may he rest in peace r.i.p so she was accused of witchcraft because you know because i don't know she had a birthmark and then she was forced to confess and claim to have cursed thomas in the woods after he rudely called her a witch yeah because she was tortured into it and alice was sentenced to be executed of course of course but she died in prison first so was that better or worse than what we were expecting thomas's family believes that john darrell's uh guidance was instrumental in exercising not just one demon from thomas but two so wow and apparently the names of these demons

were glass glass up glass up and rodolphus. Which like where did those names come from? That's my favorite demon ever. Rodolphus. Rodolphus. Imagine the squishable. Rodolphus the red nose demon. Yeah, exactly. I am imagining the squishable

and I'm going to get it. Would it be a mallard or like a Marilyn blue crab? It'd be a fucking demon. like a maryland blue crab like demon maryland blue crab so random okay squishable if you're listening we would like rodolphus the maryland blue crab please oh god help me so it's thank god to for for john darrell, says Thomas's family, because they helped relinquish Thomas from Glossop and Berdolphus. But the Darling family loudly credits John as Thomas's savior. And this helps him become much more of a renowned exorcist.

Later, John was asked to help exorcise seven other people. people and by the way all seven of these people were possessed at the exact same time apparently wow how convenient they all farted in the woods it was crazy um if seven people fart in the woods can you hear it what's that i don't know if they could all hear but they're all possessed now you're all smelling it though yeah exactly what if it was just one that was it was powerful enough it smelled like seven people, and now everyone's afraid to figure out who it was? Point at the actual culprit, yeah. So he exercises all seven of these people,

and apparently successfully saves six of them. He's a busy man. Uh-oh. But he couldn't save 30-year-old Jane because she was a Catholic. You know how that is. Shit. Trigger warning, Em.

But by this time, John Darrell has risen to absolute fame because he's had a near success rate, unless you're a dirty Catholic, apparently. And in 1597, the town council reaches out to him to help with another guy. And this guy's name is William Summers. So John did not get involved at first with William Summers. He instead sent instructions to other ministers to handle it. But I guess they didn't know how to make William fast and pray quite like John could. Nobody could. Nobody can.

He's the number one. Nobody could. Nobody could tell him don't eat like john could that's true i always say that about him so then the mayor calls john and begs for help and he's like you got to get in there nobody knows how to do this like you can so william's possession was like one of the most exciting things to come out of this town in a while and crowds were literally gathering at his house and looking into his windows to watch him have like full suffering events. Oh, my God. He's probably having like a legitimate medical event, like a seizure.

And they were like, oh, yeah. And they're all just like fighting to have like the best seat by the window to like watch disturbing. People really just had to be so goddamn bored in the 1500s i mean like like just accuse people of witchcraft just to see what will happen kill them for fun watch them have seizures and not actually call a doctor spend many many many months perfecting like some ridiculous torture implement shaped like a wheel with like spokes i mean the amount of time they had on their hands to come up with this shit like deeply disturbing the crowds were i mean they were truly gathering which is why i think the mayor was like you need to fix this john darrell because it's becoming a frenzy over here so uh john personally oversaw williams fasting in prayer

until the fits ceased which like i said no one can do it like him and john first declared that he was cured but it came with some bad news uh-oh his fits and his possession, the cure was not permanent and they would be back. And even worse news, William Summers' possession was not caused by anything he had done, but by the sinful nature of the townspeople. Oh, no, it's all their fucking fault. All these fucking audience members are now in trouble. Uh-oh. audience members are now in trouble oh and because of this uh william would be possessed by the devil again in the near future unless the townspeople change their ways what a manipulative way to prophesize to to an entire town it's like you're all at fault for this guy being possessed

it's like kind of genius and i feel like saying also like oh uh it's not a permanent fix is also genius you know he's like building in future work for himself he's like i'll be back when it when i need another paycheck i guess exactly and uh pretty much he says it's all your fault even if like you're all going to church all the time it's your fault and he i guess because he was waiting for the fits to come back which i wonder if like he had spoken to a doctor recently and he was like oh when people have seizures like maybe like or i don't know if i was wondering that same thing like maybe he knew it would like be a recurrent thing like which makes it even sicker that like he knew that this could be a medical condition and instead of telling a doctor he was like i'm just gonna wait for the next time he has an episode exactly i had that

same exact thought yeah so that i guess assuming that's what's going on here um he knew that he'd have to be back and so he got a job in town waiting around for william summers to have another episode he gets a job as a preacher in town but none of the like residents want to go to his church because he just blamed all of them yeah wait a second no shit i wonder if he thought it was going to go the other way though of like i can lead you to christ and i can lead you away from being dirty sinners you know he's like but like he's gonna create the problem and then be like but i'm the and I'm the only one who can solve it. This guy, he has a classic mindset.

Yeah. Classic businessman. Classic narcissist. Classic narcissist for sure. So the townspeople are like not totally stoked that he's in town. However, William was possessed again, just like John predicted. And he had an episode. But now people are not convinced, I think, because there was already that seed of doubt after like being told that it was their fault. Like, I mean, even tells people who like I didn't even know this guy.

It was their fault, whatever. So they were all kind of on the skeptical side now. And when William started having fits again again they all kind of started noticing things like the main one was that william his episodes had bathroom breaks um basically thomas never soiled himself in the middle of his fits which was usually a symptom of a possessed person where like they couldn't control themselves hang on i gotta pee real quick and so he would like have like episodes and then all of a sudden just like shift personality or shift behavior so he could get up and walk to the bathroom go to the bathroom come back and then continue his fitness which like how did we not notice this before yeah nobody noticed that he had to pee half the time

this is very weird it i feel like that's the power of. I don't know what the what the right word is, but it's interesting when you want to believe something so bad, you won't notice obvious things like that. And so all of a sudden you've woken up a little bit. But yeah, they just apparently never noticed before. People see what they want to see, you know? Yeah. see what they want to see you know yeah and they also did the like the classic pins in your hands and feet when you're unconscious to see if you respond test classic the classic and thomas kept reacting so he oh gosh obvious like you're not supposed to feel it if you're truly possessed

and he was responding like he could feel it. And William accused various local women of witchcraft and being the cause of all this. I wonder if he went from like the whole town to like just the women. We all hate them. We just hate them, right? I still need men in my congregation. I need someone in my congregation.

But if we blame the women, that'd be easy because we're already blaming women for everything, right? Easy. So he tried to blame the women, but none of those accusations stuck either. So I wonder if all the husbands were like, uh-uh-uh, I don't think so. thing right easy so he tried to blame the women but none of those accusations stuck either so i wonder if all the the husbands were like i don't think so and william ultimately confessed uh that he faked his entire possession and it was because he was following John's instructions. Oh, I was like, for what?

Aha. Ding, ding, ding. Interesting. Interesting. Motherfucker. I mean, they did get like a lone personal time where John was the only one in the room telling him what to do, you know? So I wonder if John like just wanted to make a name for himself in another town after the last town he went to. I don't know what the deal was, but apparently they were in cahoots with each other.

Okay, so he found somebody willing to do his bidding in this new town. And people called on the Archbishop of Canterbury, of Canterbury Tales. Hey, famously, famously. To launch an investigation on John because they were like, this is horseshit. How would they say that in old english christine this is where thither is thither is horseshit uh thank you for that thank you for asking yeah yeah so they launched an investigation on him and a chaplain named samuel harsnet was put on the case and he hated household exorcisms. He like did not trust them. So he is in charge of investigating John, loving this, loving it.

And Samuel very quickly notices that all of John's cases have pretty much been children because they were easily impressionable and he could just say whatever he wanted and control them so sick the power of like authority and you know so so sick so just a just a manipulative piece of shit that wanted his name out there and he used kids to do it he uh it was declared all fraud john goes to prison but they even they offer him a condition where they say we will release you if you don't meddle anymore with like possessed people or like the people you think are possessed. Like just like an easy fucking deal to take. Right. Like, OK. And and yet he full on refused.

And he said, no, he's such an idiot. And yet he full on refused. And he said, no, he's such an idiot. His supporters, however, helped get him released and tried to help clear his name. And maybe for like a second they were able to do that. But in 1599, Samuel Harsneth, the chaplain who was like investigating him. Yeah. He publishes this like treaty that I don't know if it's a like like a treaty like a law treaty i think it's more like

just like his own just like an announcement like a press release it feels more like a book given the title um it so basically he publishes this thing unveiling the whole investigation and the reason i say i hope it's a book is because you know how older books loved a long title. Which is so wild. They had to like hand write it. Like wouldn't you make it as short as fucking possible? Like it's just what I can't like even with voice to text I try to keep things short. And someone's writing for a robot's writing for me.

But like back then I just don't understand. But okay I guess they like to hear themselves talk. They certainly would you like to know the title? I would love to. Would you like to guess how many words are in this title? Seven. Okay. I'll start the tally as you go.

This is the title of Samuel Harz and its personal publication, right? Mm-hmm. It's personal publication, right? Mm-hmm. A discovery of the fraudulent practices of John Darrell, Bachelor of Arts, and his proceedings concerning the pretended possession and dispossession of William Summers of Nottingham, of Thomas Darling, the boy of Burton and Caldwell,

and of Catherine Wright at Mansfield and Whittington, and of his dealings with one Mary Coop at Nottingham, detecting in some sort the deceitful trade in these latter days of casting out devils. I'm going to round up to 80, because I got halfway there. I got to 40, and then I was like, I'm never going to remember what number I'm on.

I mean, holy shit, I've never heard anything like it. And not only that you have to write that with your hand, but also with a quill. Yeah, with ink. Every other letter, you have to get more ink that's horch what a pain and then you spell one word wrong you spell like caldwell wrong and you're like mother fucker i love that he had the odd like a discovery of the fraudulent practices of john darrell bachelor of arts like yeah well like why i guess because it makes it seem more important you couldn't even write ba

like come on yeah right even we do that oh man it was just crazy i was really trying to but i i swear i got to 40 and was like this is not gonna happen for me the worst part is this the title's so damn long i don't even know if i understood what it was about like it was certainly not i mean i get it like if i sit here and read it but just talking out loud about it it was not processing so it was too damn long i was trying that was a whole quote it's not happening no so uh that was in 1599 samuel harsnett puts that out about john dar uh john darrell and a year later john claps back oh okay okay how many how many words about the same oh you probably did one more just like 81 words take that so this is the title of his publication

a detection of that sinful shameful lying and lying and ridiculous discourse of Samuel Harsnet, entitled A Discovery of the Fraudulent Practices of John Darrell, wherein is manifestly and apparently shooed in the eyes of the world, not only the unlikelihood, but the flat impossibility of the pretended counterfeiting of William Summers, Thomas Darling, Catherine Wright and Mary Cooper, together with other in lancaster and the supposed teaching of them by the said john darrell i didn't even try to count that one this is crazy so now they're like having a feud okay like all you have to do is like whatever a reporter was back then like just put that sentence out and like it tells you enough about the the publication without you ever having to have actually published anything yeah i would say so they could have both just said i'm putting out a publication and it's about this and then just left the title like and then we all get it i feel like after reading that sentence i'm like i don't need to read the book i already get it all right we know this is a pissing contest whatever yeah so then he publishes a second book

and it's called a true narration of the strange and grievous vexation by the devil of seven persons in lancashire and william summers of nottingham so shorter but um these are exhausting so despite his attempts to justify all of his actions in these two pieces of literature he was still like his reputation was ruined and he moved out of england um but when he moved out of england because remember when he left prison he ref he wasn't going to leave if that meant he couldn't keep meddling right so he moved away from england and kept getting into trouble um for and he got caught for libel and false accusations again and um ultimately he has gone down in history as the most famous fraudulent exorcist in england holy shit i mean it's a nice redemption arc for witches right like

yeah at least i feel like a little bit vindicated about it someone was trying at some point even if it didn't last for everyone yeah like somebody had a little bit of sense you know for once which is uh a rarity in your witchcraft stories love it what a tale um um okay well i guess i guess it's my turn, isn't it? Yeah. So I am going to tell you a story today. Let me pull this up. It is a fucked up one.

What else is new? And it's one where, okay, so it takes place in Japan. So I feel like it might need, you don't need gargoyles, but I feel like you need to tell me if you're like wait explain something you know okay i maybe i should bring them out anyway you're blurry oh hang on do you like this is that helping i love reading your palm okay for people who can read palms what does this mean i think we've done this before and nobody fucking responded or maybe they did it'll pop back it'll come back all right yeah i trust okay there you go oh you just gotta compliment it uh uh i i'll bring the gargoyles out just in case okay just in case all right so this is the story of lucy blackman and i'll mention the documentary at the end. It's on Netflix. And it was really good and also troubling to watch in the middle of the night.

So just be forewarned. Oh, in the middle of the night. Great. Okay. So 21-year-old Lucy Blackman. She was the eldest of three children born to Tim Blackman and Jane Steer in England. So we're in England. I don't know what town, but we're in england i don't know

what town but we're in england if it wasn't when nottinghamshire i know maybe it was maybe it was when she was born her father tim said it transformed his life um you know this is just the classic uh she had an energy that made people orbit her she drew people in she was like the light in light's lives. Light up a room. She was the sort of person who had a kind word for everyone. She was fiercely independent, adventurous, and dreamed of traveling the world. So when she grew up, she became a flight attendant for British Airways. She was like, this would be a great way to travel. Good for her. I know. I was like, that's a kick ass idea. And it was she was able to make her dreams come true.

So in 2000, when Lucy was 21 years old, she decided to take a gap year and travel to Japan to live with her friend Louise Phillips. And she had always been interested in Japanese culture and was drawn to the country. So she jumped at the chance to experience it herself. Now, Lucy did not have a work visa. So she did what many young women like her did and started working as a hostess. Hostessing is not the same in this context in Japan as it is in the U.S., so I'll give a little bit of context here. She worked at a club called Casablanca in Roppongi, which is a part of Tokyo known at the time for its wealth and excess lavish lifestyle.

Business people, especially in finance, would come to Tokyo from all over the world, and many of them would go to Roppongi clubs to unwind, and they would spend wild amounts of money on drinks, on entertainment, etc. And a former hostess named Susie, who also worked at Casablanca and knew Lucy, described it as a small, unremarkable hostess club. And there's not really the equivalent in the West for what a hostess is, but it's pretty normal in Tokyo. Essentially, a hostess's job is to sit with visitors at the club, talk to them, make them feel welcome and encourage them to spend more money on like top shelf liquor or, you know, buy more food, buy more drinks. Like there's nothing inherently sexual about it. It reminds me of like what an escort is like purely by definition of like sort of being your companion.

Sure. Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay. So that is sense? Yeah. 2000, many independent women who love traveling were drawn to a job like this as a hostess because you could meet so many different people. You could make really good money. And also it was fun to just like sit and talk with all these different people from all over the world. And you can make friends with the other hostesses who are usually in a similar

situation, like Lucy, who didn't have a work visa. So Susie knew hostesses who could make $50 US dollars an hour, and you'd also make bonuses if patrons bought expensive alcohol and upgraded to the top shelf stuff. So this was a pretty good gig. You made pretty good cash doing it. It feels swanky. It does, yeah. I think she only did it like three days a week

and was able to make a living off that. I know. I was very impressed. So hostesses were also, this is what Susie, who was interviewed in the documentary and also worked with Lucy, described as the dodgiest part of the job is that hostesses were sometimes encouraged to meet with club patrons outside of the club for dinner dates and that's kind of a no-no like on the surface because that's not what this job is but the lines are getting blurry right so they basically had you meet with club patrons for dinner dates and

then they would eat together and then go to the club together and suzy described it as the most dodgy part of the job but she also said she never felt personally in danger she said it could really be a simple innocent job if you wanted it to be so that is where lucy was working unfortunately on july 1st 2000 lucy went to her job as usual but she never returned just vanished on july 2nd a man a random man called her friend louise that she was you know there to live with and told louise that lucy had joined a cult and would never return bye oh what okay wow sharp turn sharp turn and uh louise was like what the fuck are you talking about but lucy had not come home so she was like well i have to call her family so she calls lucy's family back in england and tim her father remembers asking how do you know she's gone missing and tim said

i don't know lucy's very skeptical uh she's a good head on her shoulders like i can't imagine she just like ran off and joined a cult without talking her shoulders like i can't imagine she just like ran off and joined a cult without talking to me or talking to her family it just doesn't make sense but her friends are like we have not seen her she's not going to work she's not answering the phone so he knows something is wrong not not necessarily that she's in a cult but that she's missing that's fair but i do know like if someone called me that i didn't know and they said oh christine just joined a cult and left first of all i would be a little worried because i'd be like what did they bribe her with what did they bribe her with that got her into that cult yeah at the same time i'd be like if a person i don't know said this

i maybe it's because of our particular job I don't know right I would immediately assume that person is the criminal and is like trying to like very badly cover up for themselves totally like and what cult like calls you to be like just check it in you'll never see her again bye and what cult calls themselves a cult like what like true what cult would be like by the way we're the cult um Lucy has joined us the best point that i've heard so far like who calls himself what cult admits to being a cult outright that's a great point so stupid so stupid so you're onto it really stupid so tim is immediately concerned that his daughter is missing.

And once this has gone reported, the news of her disappearance didn't really take off in Japan the way it might have taken off as like a big headline story in the West. It mainly spread among the foreign community, especially among women from Western countries, because, of course, they're hearing like someone just like you has vanished, you know. So police were pretty hesitant at first to consider foul play. It was kind of a sticky situation because people without work visas would sometimes skip town, you know, quietly to avoid getting deported. And so they were like, well, you know, she didn't have a work visa. She might have tried to avoid trouble by skipping town a crime reporter from the u.s was assigned to lucy's case because it involved a foreign woman and he even he at first thought oh she's probably just gone

on a trip or left town without telling anyone so police spoke spoke to Tim, Lucy's dad, to get a grasp on who Lucy was, her personality and her habits. And it became pretty clear to them, like, this is not the type of person who's just bopping around without telling anybody. Like she would have told her family if she was leaving the country. So Lucy's dad, Tim, immediately flew to Japan and he took with him Lucy's younger sister, his other daughter, Sophie. So that is when the media starts to pick up the case because now her family is in Tokyo, like pushing for coverage and looking for her. As soon as they step off the plane, Tim is bombarded with cameras and microphones. He's very calm and collected.

He's he's very good about being on camera. And he tells them that the last time he spoke with Lucy, she said Tokyo was a nice city and she was having a good time. Sort of like the most vague non-answer. Yeah, everything's okay. Last I heard, everything was okay. Everything's fine. Right. Exactly. She loves this wonderful place you call home. Okay, bye. And looking back, Tim said, some people thought I just loved being in the limelight. And he's like, which I'm like, fuck you to whoever says that. OK, I'm sorry. But he said in that position, the position he was in, a person doesn't worry about the cameras or stage fright. You just get on with it because you're trying to find your child. Like you'll get in front of any camera if you think it's going to help.

because you're trying to find your child. Like you'll get in front of any camera if you think it's going to help. Yeah. So Tim met with the police to ask questions about the investigation. And he asked if they had checked security footage throughout the city. And CCTV at this point was pretty big in the UK,

but definitely not in Japan. And I think my favorite part about this section, like this conversation he had with police is that he said like oh have you reviewed the security footage and they're like we don't have security footage that's a privacy violation and he goes we back in london have security camera on every street corner and they're all made in japan like all these cameras like think about it that's such a good point i know i was like wait a second and he said like they're all made in Japan, but you guys don't use them. And they're like, nope.

So, you know, I guess they just export them to us. That's a fun fact. I don't think I would have even put that together. It never occurred to me. And like, you know, it's been almost 25 years since then. So things probably have changed. But at the time they were like, oh, no, we don't do that. So, of course, this is like a letdown to Tim. And he said there were pretty immediately cultural differences. The police said this, too. Like Japan is known as being a very at least like the trope or like the stereotype is that they're very polite, very straight laced, very just just kind and gentle people like as far as manners go and you know this guy his daughter's missing he's coming in he's kind of brash he's frantic he's emotional and he's like there was immediately like a cultural clash but they were always really polite to him um but a man did approach him and warned him like listen it's going to be really hard to get a thorough investigation lucy's not a japanese citizen the police are probably not pursuing her case very him and warned Tim, like, listen, it's going to be really hard to get a thorough investigation.

Lucy's not a Japanese citizen. The police are probably not pursuing her case very strongly. And so Tim was like, you know what? I don't care anymore. I have to get the media's attention like I would back home or like I would in the States. So he does a press conference. He does this in Tokyo and he's trying to raise awareness of Lucy's case to the public. And this was like a hugely attended press conference. Lucy's sister, Sophie, talked to the press asking people to step up with any information they had that could bring her sister home. And 30,000 missing posters went up around Tokyo. Oh, my gosh. And Tim walked around with flyers canvassing passersby in the street for information. They are going like grassroots now

because he's not convinced the police are going to take this seriously. Good for him. Damn. I know he's like hardcore. So back in the UK, the media is all over this case. British media began running speculative headlines. And like, I know this is a stereotype I have, but I feel like when you hear like British tabloid, you just think of the most outrageous speculation and theories. And that's at least how my mind works. Just think of those tabloids. I feel like I when I think of British tabloids again, this is another stereotype is that I feel like I hear it. And like old English, which I know is not accurate. I hear it like I hear it in like old english which i know is not accurate but i i hear it like i hear it like an old timey tabloid hither and thither hither and thither and i don't

know why i read all about it yeah yeah i don't know why i wonder if it's because i just know that england's older than the u.s or something i don't know i have no idea why they're classier than us i think of the trashy shit like the really trashy upsetting headlines they put out about like women's looks and weight and the royals like there's just some fucked up stuff that's interesting because i see it i think of them as like overly like traditional posh like old english oh no like interesting i mean different tropes yeah i guess so that i mean true point they are different tropes um so essentially these tabloids begin running these crazy headlines um saying like oh lucy was trafficked in a sex ring because she's a white

woman and they prize white women like just very stereotypical racist shit you know about why she disappeared in japan um saying like oh she was kidnapped by a japanese religious cult like they're just making shit up and people are eating it up at least people's eyes are on it i don't know if it's good or bad i don't know unfortunately like it's not helpful back in the UK because. Like they want people in Japan to pay attention, but not the people in the UK are just eating it up like gossip. So it's it's a little iffy. But in the end, maybe you're right. Like maybe it was good that the media at least took it so far because the police in Tokyo did launch a huge investigation and there were now roughly 100 personnel involved, which is far larger than any case for a missing Japanese citizen would usually receive. So I don't know if that was a result of the media, if it was because she was white. I don't know what caused it, but it did take off. So investigators honed in on Roppongi, where the Casablanca club was located,

but they just kept not finding any solid leads. And Tim was getting increasingly frustrated with the police who were giving him absolutely zero updates. Like they would just say, oh, we'll let you know. And he's like, I need something. Like I need anything. You need to tell me something. I wouldn't even be able to, I mean, no, no case would I be able to handle like wondering about someone I love, but to just be keep to keep getting hit with the, we'll let you know. We'll let you know when you're just like, you can't sleep. That's hard enough when you're like, exactly. When you're waiting on like a job or like a, I don't know.

Like, we'll let you know if the person you love the most in this world is alive or not. We'll let you know. Exactly. Eventually. Hurry up. the person you love the most in this world is alive or not we'll let you know exactly eventually hurry up and i like it's i know and it must be so hard because there's also that back and forth where like the police are like well we have to follow our procedures but also there's this guy being like frazzled beyond anyone's wildest imagination also figure out where's my fucking daughter with the type of stories you've told though i would even if i ever had to go through this in my life though

i would now be paranoid that like what if they're not following procedures and they just don't like they just don't care like what if they just don't care yeah it's i feel like that is such especially if they're not telling you anything then you're like well maybe they don't care maybe they just don't give a shit and maybe they totally care but i'll still read it as like yeah if you cared you'd be working harder and then i'd have answers faster you'd have answers it's like a lose-lose situation of it all exactly and and part of the reason actually that they withheld information from him is because he was constantly on tv and he was trying to get this case and they were so worried that he would like slip up and say something sensitive like something that investigators didn't want leaked you know and so they were also

trying to tread carefully being like we don't want to tell you everything because you're gonna we don't want you to blast it out to the media you know so there's kind of a push and pull there but now two weeks have gone by since her disappearance. Tim is still in Japan and he feels the attention on Lucy slipping away. So he keeps making these TV appearances. He's trying desperately to get to keep it in the headlines. prime minister at the time ended up stopping in tokyo to do a press conference and speak to police about lucy's case and he actually even met with the japanese prime minister who promised that they would catch lucy's abductor and this was like blasted out to the media but the police are like you can't promise that like we don't like so i imagine they're fucking frustrated too because like the prime minister's like we'll catch him and the police are like what do you mean we like you're not doing jack shit you know it's like you're making promises that we can't

necessarily keep for the sensationalism of it though it's like oh okay now we're getting aggressive okay i mean it's true and also it did push them into action because they were like there was so much fucking pressure from the media you know and from now the prime minister, who's now promised Tony Blair, like, we're on it, you know. So there's just a lot of chaotic energy happening around this case. So the detectives, like, just to give you an example of how they were feeling, one of them said it was easy for him to say that, but that didn't mean it was easy for us to do. Because I feel like it's a tough thing to just throw that out there and then, like, go home and let the police handle it. It really fair so with the prime minister and the whole

world now like putting pressure on them new detectives are assigned to the case and one officer referred to these detectives as soft shell turtles because once they bite a lead they never let go which is apparently something soft shell turtles do. I've never. Is it an insult? Is it a compliment? Is it? That's the best part.

It's a funny fact. I've never. Soft shells. That's like me talking about that stupid fucking Maryland blue crab. I feel like we're covering a lot of animals today. A lot of vague animals. Yeah, we're getting some weird ideas for squishable you know squish mellow um so yeah they they basically said like i think it was meant almost

as an insult but like as like a polite insult which again this is striking me as the very japanese trope of like yeah well you remind me of this animal. You're acting like a turtle. Yeah. A turtle is like the nicest thing to be compared to in an angry state. I would say, I would be like, oh, thank you. I would be taken aback. I'd be like, oh, wow. So the new action team decided to start from square one. They spent nights poring over past investigation notes to see if anything had been missed or skipped over or you know if they could just basically like how people nowadays go over cold cases like just going through all the

old notes of the investigators from before and that is when they notice a note in here and it was actually they had talked to a club manager who said one of his hostesses had been drugged and possibly raped by a client. Holy shit. And apparently this club manager described this to police saying, yeah, apparently this this guy, he invited one of my hostesses on a drive to the seaside. And she woke up hours later with a pounding headache and had no memory of the day. And she thought she was drugged but the original detectives got this information but then we're like i don't know this manager seems unreliable so they just like got rid of it like just put it aside and the new

detectives are like what the fuck like this is a big lead we're gonna follow up with this club manager so they do and they find out that many hostesses had the exact same fucking story. But they hadn't reported this to police because a lot of them didn't have visas or they were the ones who were going to get arrested or in trouble. I mean, this is like, we've seen this time and time again

in the US too. And they didn't want to be deported, especially if they didn't have anywhere else to go and so with more encouragement several hostesses bravely came forward and agreed to go on record with their experiences which must have been just very very traumatizing and they all told the same fucking story that this man with an expensive car invited them to dinner by the ocean and they were all drugged and they didn't know what happened wow so all the exact same story the exact same story so now police realize there has been a predator in rapongi for years targeting women in vulnerable legal positions

who he knew couldn't make a report or or would be uncomfortable doing so interesting okay so at this point lucy has been missing for 52 fucking days and tim is like days oh my god yes oh my god 52 days and he is beginning to feel so powerless he he's like i don't know how to keep this in the media so what he does is he does another press release and he offers 1.5 million yen which is about ten thousand dollars uh reward for information leading to lucy so you know stories are picking up again and uh 10 more days go by and it's about this time lucy's mom jane and lucy's brother rupert publicly released i think it was 1200 balloons to into the sky to celebrate lucy's 22nd birthday oh my god it's just so fucking sad and every time i heard it i was like that is so young like 22 is so little

yeah it's just horrifying so she said she wanted them to be a message to lucy wherever she is we haven't forgotten her um but more and more weeks go by before another major break comes through in the case an australian woman named jesse reaches out to police and says she has the name and phone number of this fucking suspect wow okay that's a pretty that's some red hot info red hot info she said i too was his victim and i had written his name down and his phone number down in a notebook. And this notebook is back at home in Australia. So police call her dad and are like, FedEx that shit right now. So they like overnight, I'm assuming, express ship this journal to Tokyo police from Australia.

And they are able to open it up and look at where she wrote the name and phone number and apparently she had been so angry about this incident obviously that she had like scribbled out the name and phone number but they were able to hold it up like to a window to the light and make out yes I know because that would have been so devastating i was really holding it in i was like please please please that would be such a christine move of me like we overnighted it we got the information just kidding yeah it's ripped out out of anger right out so thankfully they were able to still read it uh and his name on the paper was yuji honda which they believed was an alias but the phone number they

looked that up and he was still active and registered to the same person so they pull these phone records and they find out that one of the numbers this phone number had called was lucy so they're like this must be the same fucking guy. She at least knew this guy. So they used the phone to triangulate his location. And obviously they didn't have find my phone back in 2000, but they were able to use like cell phone towers like we've seen in those crime shows to pinpoint where he would be. And they found out that he most likely lived in a place called Akasaka Tower, which was an expensive apartment building in Tokyo where very wealthy people lived. It was known for being very she-she, as M would say. So the apartment manager said, oh, well, there's two rooms on the sixth floor

being rented by this weird guy. And they're like, OK, well, that sounds right down our alley. Let's look into him he's like how convenient we're looking for a weird guy a weird guy yes precisely so this apartment manager said yeah he works for a business called p o'hara and they had never heard of it and then the manager said oh by the way he has a bunch of fancy cars so they go down to the garage and take a look at like it's all like porsches lamborghinis mercedes and they're looking at all these cars and apparently the cars he owned were matched up exactly to all the ones the victims had said he drove them in so they'd said oh he

picked me up in a lamborghini and drove me here and then another one said oh he picked me up in a porsche and drove me here and like, oh, he owns all those cars. So this is the same fucking guy. He just owns multiple cars. Amazing. OK. Yes. So they're on it.

They unfortunately did not have enough evidence for a warrant yet. But pretty soon. I know. I know. That's not how it works in my mind. Get in there. You know? Hop on in.

Take some fingerprints. I don't know. But yeah, they did not quite have enough evidence for a warrant until another woman. I just feel like this is such like a strong women centric episode. Another woman comes forward. Her name is Monica. She's from England. And three years earlier in 1997, she had met with who she thought was the same man. And he had driven her to a resort apartment with a view of the ocean, half an hour from Tokyo with palm trees. And the investigators are like, that's this fucking apartment building. No doubt. She had also been drugged.

So when police went with her to the resort, she recognized it, but she couldn't quite remember which building it was, you know, which floor it was. She couldn't remember the details. So they are walking around trying to canvas people in the area and they show a photo of Lucy to a waitress at a restaurant at this apartment building. And this woman's like, oh, I recognize her. She was here on July 1st. and this woman's like oh i recognize her she was here on july 1st that was literally the day she went missing and they said was she alone and he said and the waitress said nope she was with a man so they're like fuck that'll do it that's that's our guy so detectives got a list of names of all the people living at the resort to go through one by one but their suspect's name wasn't there and they were, he gave an alias.

So how on earth do we figure out which one of these people it is? Well, they find the residence with multiple expensive luxury cars and narrow down their search. A listing came up for P. Ohira, which turns out to not be a business at all. It was actually a name.

And the Japanese kanji which by the way kanji um i don't know if you know this i had to look it up do you know what kanji is is that type of food uh nope i mean i i know a restaurant called that but um oh okay traditionally kanji means it's a system of Japanese writing using Chinese characters. So it's like a form of like the written word. And so the Japanese kanji for P. Ohira could also be read as Obara. And they're able to put all this together and realize this guy's name is Joji Obara. joji obara and when they're looking him up on his record they discovered he had been arrested before for sneaking into women's restrooms and taking photos of women as they used the bathroom oh

what the fuck oh so a mugshot was faxed to them um it was pretty low quality but they put it amongst 99 other photos so there were a hundred. They showed them to Jesse and Monica. Jesse's the Australian victim and Monica's the English one. And immediately they're like, that's him right there. And apparently they fucking recognized him immediately. And the weird part, too, was like in the photo, his eyes are like closed and he's like looking down because apparently when they tried to take his mugshot he kept turning around and they're like fucking stand there and let us take your mugshot and he like wouldn't let them so weird like such a fucking child it's like he knew or something like he yeah he's like i don't want my face out there you know so it's just a sicko so detectives

uh couldn't quite link him strongly to Lucy yet. It was just that witness who had seen them together and then the phone records. But they decided to at least arrest him for the rape allegations from the other women. They move in on his apartment at 6 a.m. And Lucy at this point has been missing for 103 days. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. At this point point i would have assumed that she's not here anymore yeah you know i i mentioned this later but her dad said up until the very end he hoped

he was holding on to hope that she was still alive which is just so fucking horrible when cases like this don't go salt don't get solved and people just live with that constant like threat of hope like no closure nothing yeah and your brain is like oh i think the worst has happened but you want to believe that like they could come back it's just horrible it's horrible so it's been 103 days um and this guy was known for walking out the door a little before 7 a.m. to go pick up a newspaper. So they waited outside and a little before 7, he walked out and they arrested him. He went calmly with them, surrendered immediately, and they were able to obtain some more information about this guy. So apparently, Obara was a property mogul who inherited a lot of money from his father. He owned multiple properties.

And of course, the police are like, all right, give us the fucking keys. We're searching them. property mogul who inherited a lot of money from his father he owned multiple properties and of course the police are like all right give us the fucking keys we're searching them so um this is very upsetting so they go through his properties and they are finding all sorts of weird shit they find notebooks where he is writing these strange entries about how he is has decided to become evil and what he's decided to devote his life to evil acts uh what in the world just so disturbing then they discovered a series of vhs tapes oh shit yeah and i i mean massive trigger warning here folks like this is really hard stuff so they find all these vhs tapes that are labeled with women's names oh oh and he was drugging them yeah so okay they find 400 of these tapes oh my god wow that took my breath away 400

obara had drugged and raped hundreds of women and he had recorded all of it so they're going through these and of course they're looking for lucy or any familiar, they do not find one of Lucy. Investigators now had to go through and watch the tapes one by one. Okay. They were trying to identify as many of the women as possible and ask if they would go on record as well about what happened to them. Obara insisted it was all consensual. Please. Without question, that's not true.

No, without question. And one detective even said, I was dealing with a person who had an extremely warped view of reality. So, of course, when women from these tapes were contacted, a lot of them didn't even know they had been raped. They knew something scary had happened. They knew potentially that they were drugged or maybe they didn't even know they were drugged and they thought they had eaten something bad. But essentially it was very, very traumatic for them to have to watch videos of themselves in this position and, you know, talk about what had happened or, or identify themselves in the videos and several of the

women said that's not me like they just couldn't face that which i don't believe i don't blame them for a second it's like you're just living your day and the police are like hey come watch this i mean it must just be so mind-warping i don't, to like see that video and not have memory of it. And it's very traumatizing. So many of them did identify themselves in the videos. And this really helped to build a case against Obara, thank God. Several detectives actually had to leave the team because they were too upset by the content of the tapes like they were watching the tapes and they were too traumatized and couldn't couldn't continue um in the videos the women's faces were often draped with a cloth and they realized he was soaking this cloth in chloroform and then laying it on their faces oh my god them unconscious oh my god one detective noticed a woman's hand

twitching violently despite her being unconscious and he recognized this twitching as a symptom of chloroform poisoning holy shit oh my god so he pursues this further he's like i gotta find out who this woman is and see what happened so he finds out this is Clarita Ridgeway. And in 1992, she had been living in Tokyo working as a hostess while her sister taught English. But one day, she disappeared. Then a man dropped her off at the hospital saying she had food poisoning and then just like fucking peacing out.

And after a few days, she went into organ failure and she died. Oh my God. And there was no autopsy performed, no investigation because hospital staff thought she genuinely had food poisoning but they did keep a sample of her liver and so now in 2000 several years later they're able to find traces of chloroform in her liver from all the way back then holy shit so they are officially indicting obara now for abduction and manslaughter on behalf of clarita but still they are like not finding information on lucy she's not on any of the tapes

which my guess is that he saw all this in the media and was like well i'll get rid of those tapes oh yeah nobody needs to see those and obara was insisting he had nothing to do with her disappearance but he did admit that he had met her the week before she disappeared. So they're like, likely story. Obara was apparently a collector who had a hard time throwing things away. And detectives were able to use this to their advantage because he kept receipts from everything. So they were able to construct an entire timeline of all of his days all the way back to July 1st.

And they found out on July 1st that at 3 p.m. he met with Lucy and they went to the usual ocean resort where he always took his victims. They had lunch and then at 5 p.m. they returned to his apartment. And that was the last time lucy was ever seen alive so late at night on july 2nd he drove back to tokyo and on july 4th he bought a chainsaw cement and a tent like a portable tent oh my god oh my god then he went to another apartment and a neighbor that night made a noise complaint coming from that apartment. So unfortunately, detectives were forced to make the conclusion that he had taken this saw and dismembered Lucy's body in one of his apartments and then had abandoned her remains somewhere.

But all they have is circumstantial evidence, like a receipt saying he bought a saw, you know. So they're trying to find real proof that Lucy has been killed. And so they begin digging around his apartment, searching the water near the beach. And of course, the apartment management does not like that there's a murder investigation going on at their building, especially because it's like a high, you know, high class establishment. So they keep pressuring police to hurry up. And so once again, police are like rushing and trying to figure out what they can find. And 223 days since Lucy disappeared, they made a discovery. One of the detectives was walking along the coast from the apartment and came across a cave.

He stepped inside having a gut feeling that something was amiss and he saw carnivorous bugs. Carnivorous bugs? Yeah, like as in maggots. Oh, I see. And he's basically like, that means something has died. And so he begins digging in the sand until he finds the edge of a portable tent. And inside the tent, they found Lucy's body. Oh, my God.

And how did they figure out about this cave? He just stumbled upon it? Literally, they're just canvassing the whole beach area by where he lives by his apartment building yeah and uh it took a long time they canvassed the water they looked all over the place but this one detective happened to stumble upon this cave and and noticed the the bug activity so one of the reporters who had gotten pretty close to lucy's dad tim during the investigation called him to let him know police had discovered a had gotten pretty close to lucy's dad tim during the investigation called him to let him know police had discovered a body they believed to be lucy um which was just

a very shattering moment for her dad um 20 minutes later a translator for the japanese police also contacted tim to inform him that they had discovered these remains and that the dental records were a match confirming this was lucy oh shit and like i said earlier tim said i was hopeful all the time right through to that moment so it was almost like now he has to finally face that she's not coming home you know so obara was brought to trial he was charged charged with abduction, rape resulting in death, and the disposal of Lucy's body. He was also charged with rape resulting in the death of Corita Ridgeway. Now, what is pretty tragic about this is that of his estimated 400 crimes, there was only enough evidence to charge him with eight. Oh, my God.

That's only eight. Think about the victim, like the number. That's only about the victim, like the number. It's like think of the three hundred ninety two bodies out there that like still don't have closure or their families don't have closure. Well, no. So these are just the rape victims. They're not all dead. Oh, thank God. Corita Ridgeway is the only one. Oh, my God.

Because a lot of them came forward and said, like, hey. Right. No, my brain just made it worse. That's all. Oh, I see. came forward and said like hey right no my brain just made it worse that's all oh i see yeah no a lot of them i would say her death was most likely i mean i don't know but i think the theory is that she was one of the first deaths no like he wasn't trying to kill her it was just like just like carita ridgeway where he dropped her off at the hospital, was like, food poisoning, because he overdosed her on chloroform. I think the theory is, because he had been doing this for hundreds of people, he's bringing them back, drugging them, raping them, dropping them back off. So what they think happened is that this was an accident on his part.

accident on his part and he you know what's wild though is how many people also might have died from chloroform poisoning or something and he didn't know that's exactly it we don't even know that's a good point like you don't know if they're if any especially if they couldn't identify the other say 300 people or even a hundred of them you don't know if they're okay you don't know if they know this happened you don't know if they like subconsciously are traumatized or like outwardly traumatized i mean yeah it's it's horrific the number is just shocking so they only had enough evidence to charge him with eight of these rapes he received a life sentence for the eight charges of rape and for the death of clarita ridgeway but on all charges involving lucy he was found not guilty what why what they just could not come to a conclusion on it and said there's too much doubt and too much doubt name a doubt what are we talking about

i know i know okay heartbreaking so in a post-sentencing press conference tim said lucy's life was not in vain lucy brought justice to carita ridgeway and the eight other rape victims who bravely came forward to support the case detectives spent several years strengthening their case and evidence and thankfully in 2007 they were able to file an appeal and in 2008 obara was finally found guilty of dismembering and abandoning lucy's body rendering his he had been sentenced to life in prison now that he was found guilty of dismembering and abandoning lucy's body his life imprisonment is irreversible. So there's no chance of parole, I guess is what that probably means. Okay, well, okay. It came later, but I'm glad it happened.

I know. It took them years to build up a case for the appeal, but they did, thankfully. So Lucy's mother, Jane, told the press press i think justice has been done and finally the blackman family had some sort of closure and although obara wouldn't be held individually responsible for every woman he hurt which again was so many uh he would never be able to hurt one again so you know there was that at least a sliver of yeah i don't know what do you call it a silver lining sort of so tim said despite the grief of losing his daughter lucy left such an impact on her family's lives um he said those feelings are very pure and untainted by hatred and anger and all the rest of it because i kept all that out of lucy's memory so he is able to almost compartmentalize that so that Lucy's memory is kept happy in his mind.

Talk about father of the year. I was going to say that seems like very difficult. I don't know. I'd struggle with that for sure. So there is a little bit of drama surrounding the family. Lucy's parents had gotten divorced several years before her disappearance. And there was a lot of tension between the parents during the investigation. And apparently, Jane got very upset when her ex-husband accepted a condolence payment.

So essentially, there's this thing you're allowed in the Japanese law legal system. law legal system it's a payment called a condolence payment and you can use this as a tool for the dependent to express remorse in hopes of getting a lighter sentence but this money wasn't from obara it was from his friend from school like a college friend and this guy felt so guilty that he offered 100 million yen which is 680 000 to tim and tim took the money and his ex-wife was not happy about that she called it blood money she said i do not like that he's accepting payments on behalf of this guy who murdered our daughter but then the other side of that she called it obscene the other side of that uh is tim said you, I'm using this to pay off the debts while I was living in Japan for all those months and support her siblings, you know, who have so much grief and need so much healing. And also he used some of the money to establish a trust in Lucy's name to provide crisis support for people who go missing abroad and for their

families so you know at least something good came with this money um but again Jane and other family members called it blood money called it obscene were deeply upset that Tim had accepted it so there's definitely some tension there um there was just so much I imagine so much pain and grief in the wake of losing lucy that the tension that i assume already existed considering they had gotten divorced relatively recently was just like ratcheted up like several notches totally so it was very difficult obviously for the family to move on um unfortunately one of lucy's family members attempted suicide due to the overwhelming grief. But today, most of Lucy's family lives pretty quiet lives, pretty private. This 2023 Netflix documentary that I was talking about is very thorough, very good. But the only person

who really gets involved in the documentary is Lucy's father. And he speaks about his side of the ordeal. And you do see Jane, Sophie and Rupert, but they only show up in like press clippings from the time of the investigation. They did not participate in the actual making of the documentary. So in the documentary, one of the detectives on Lucy's case said that he traveled to England in 2010 to visit Lucy's grave because it had had such an impact on him this case and while he was there he stopped to see her mom Jane and she made him tea and they have a photo together it's very sweet and apparently once a year for about 20 years now the detectives a group of them goes to the spot by the sea that cave where they found lucy and they light incense and pray

as a way to appease her spirit and to pray she rests in peace so that is a case of lucy blackman wow i wanted to ask earlier do you know if there was um uh i think there was a law and order episode about this oh probably i feel like ripped from the headlines i feel like they take the stories it wouldn't surprise me i think it was also the the year of like a year after it happened i but a lot of it sounded familiar but lucy blackman law and order it was and i also want to say the name um name of the documentary real quick it's called missing the lucy blackman case and it came out this year 2023 so it's pretty recent where is it is it on netflix netflix okay cool wow i um god i was really hoping in the end she was gonna have somehow survived i know it's really it's really tragic and to just uncover such a dark.

Well, also, thank God that the dad was so I know vigilant about this because they ended up finding out what happened to 400 women. Exactly. Like they uncovered such a dark, dark crime spree. This guy was on that would have as we know just gone on and on and on until he got caught oh yeah so really i mean obviously so many women were deeply traumatized when they had to watch this video a lot of the detectives who had to watch it were deeply troubled by it it's just very very upsetting um so again what you know there's nothing graphic in the um documentary but just proceed with caution you know make sure you're in the right headspace i guess i would say yeah wow good storytelling christine woof a doofa i mean one of these days i'll cover

a happy one probably not i feel like in in amount of time, I think you've only covered maybe three or four happy stories. And one of them was like a fake one about you. Yeah, exactly. Well, what was my name in that? Oh, oh, my God. We got to remember. Cletus. Cletus.

Stupid. All right. cletus cletus stupid all right well from cletus to the hersene shifter uh i hope everyone has a good week uh and uh we'll we'll see you next week uh for another episode of christine bumming us out and me trying my best so i'll be there and that's why we drink