And That's Why We Drink - E363 A Failed Handstand and an Infestation of Prairie Dogs

Episode Date: January 21, 2024

It's episode 363 and we're recovering from an infestation of prairie dogs, we mean some kerfuffles on tour that may or may not have included food poisoning and lost laptops... but we couldn't leave you high and dry today so we're digging into the archives of our live show audio to bring you a very special episode from Denver where we not only weathered altitude sickness but we also braved a bomb cyclone! First Em tells the ghostly history and tales of Denver's famous Cheesman Park. Then Christine covers a story that fuels our nightmares, the Spider Man of Denver aka Theodore Edward Coneys, a mushroom colored perpetrator. We can't wait to see you again next week, Denver! ...and that's why we drink!Come join us for our last run of the On the Rocks tour! andthatswhywedrink.com/live

Hello, my friends. Thank you so much for tuning in. We are releasing a live episode this week, which is something we have not done in a very long time. Nothing catastrophic has happened, unless I guess Em and Eva might punch me for saying that, because there may have been a bout or two of food poisoning involved in our touring this past week. There also may have been of food poisoning involved in our touring this past week. There also may have been some lost luggage, including a laptop. Yikes. Okay, so maybe it was a bit catastrophic, but nothing really that bad. Right, Em and Eva? We're gonna laugh about this later. Oh, they're gonna kill me. This is our live show from Denver many, many years ago. I don't remember what the heck I covered, but Eva found the old audio and listened to it and said it was fun. And apparently that was the week there was

a bomb cyclone happening in the area and everyone was just kind of throwing that term around like we were supposed to know what it meant. But anyway, we figured we're going to Denver soon. Things kind of went awry this week. So here's a live episode of a previous visit to Denver. Why does it sound like I'm making that up? I swear I'm not making that up. This is literally a live show of a visit to Denver. I'm trying to prevent my voice from doing that thing at the end where it goes up and it sounds like a question because we really did go to Denver and this really is an episode of our Denver show. Now I'm spiraling. Okay, enjoy this live show. I can't wait to listen. Love you so much. Okay, bye. Thank you. This is the end of the show. Oh, man.

Hello. Hi, Denver. What the fuck is going on outside? I haven't seen snow in a very long time. Thank you for coming to our once sold out show, but now I think half of you braved the storm. So thank you for being the whole troopers. Ooh, Jinx.

Hey. We are excited and happy that this didn't get canceled. So yay. And also thank you for being super loud because it makes our anxiety go away. Yay. Yay. Maybe not go away, but maybe hide for a little while.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least until this is over. So we do want to address that yesterday, I don't know who was here yesterday. What did I do? You pointed at me. No, no, no. We have experienced not much because we've been traveling a lot, but one thing we definitely got out of our Denver experience is altitude sickness.

Yes, that was terrible. We didn't know what it was for a while either. We got here and as soon as we landed, I didn't feel right. And then I was like, I feel like I could sleep for a thousand years. And then I lied down in bed and then I was like, I don't think I'm breathing. And then I had one glass of wine and was like, something's very wrong.

I don't know what it is, but it's very wrong. And we hadn't really talked about it with each other, but then we came here and someone working with us backstage gave us a bunch of water and said, you should drink up in case you get any altitude sickness. And we both just went, oh. And then Eva, lovely Miss Eva, goes, oh, right. She used to live here.

She's like, oh, right. I forgot to tell you guys about that. And we were like, Eva, we're dying. We're dying. We're fine. We're better. I'm better today. I'm solid.

But I wasn't yesterday. And I had to warn the whole room. I have this thing where sometimes I had to warn the whole room. I have this thing where sometimes I get really lightheaded, so I have to, like, turn upside down so, like, blood rushes back to my head. And I had to warn everyone they might just see me, like, fail at a handstand in the middle of the show. So I'm glad this might go more smoothly than that.

So anyway, thank you guys for having us. We're happy that this worked out and that we're here. Yay, yay. Everyone was tweeting like, is this still happening? And we were like, I think so. I don't know. We're just going to Uber over there. So we'll find out if people show up.

We didn't have five people to be here or all of you guys. So thank you. Thanks for coming to our intimate show. So we do have a drinking game for you. Right. If you're willing and able. If you want to brave the cold. Yeah. Drink till you're warm.

Drink till you're warm. Drink till we're funny. Also very much for that. And drink until both of those things happen. Yes. So good luck. I hope you have a designated driver. If you need more structure than that,

we do have some rules. We do, and maybe we won't. Yeah, I made them. They're my rules. It's basically whenever Christine does anything, drink. Mainly, I guess, drink if Christine gasps. It's extremely unlikely, so I wouldn't worry about that.

At the last show, people couldn't tell if you were gasping or we like, we couldn't breathe. So he was like, do we drink or call an ambulance? He said whenever Christine gasps and someone's like, she's just trying to get oxygen to her lungs. It's true. Also, a drink of Christine says, listen. We'll see.

So at that point, you're pretty warm and we're pretty funny, right? You've drank enough. And then also drink of Christine goes, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I do do that one. I do that one more than I care to admit, yeah. But I do, I invented my own rule because I was jealous that Em got all the rules.

So my rule is that you have to drink any time Em says, fun fact, which is a lot, by the way. Like a lot, a lot. And it's never a fun fact. No, it's not fun. It always makes you- So don't get excited about that.

It always makes you feel kind of sad you had to hear it. Yeah. Also drink if we talk about the sweet baboo, little baby Geo. Yeah. Also drink if we talk about the sweet baboo, little baby Gio. He's back home in the warm sunshine. Must be nice.

Also drink if we tell Eva what to do, which we have yelled at her a lot about what to do. Yeah, just face your first drink now. I'm cold, Eva. Help me. Well, we'll probably tell her what to do without even realizing it so just be prepared. Yeah. Drink wise, have your glass full. And then I guess

that's it. We have two bonus rounds so drink if we talk about my arch nemesis, Lemon. No. Lemon is safe and sound in the sunshine with Gio.

Lemon's doing great, apparently. And then also drink if I go, honestly, it's just fucking funny. Yeah, I do drink during that, but not for fun reasons. I'm not saying it's funny. I'm just saying it's fucking hysterical. Also, Christine genuinely actually hates that. No, I don't like it, so stop laughing at it. So whenever I go, honestly, it's just funny.

She goes, honestly, shut the fuck up. That's like actual verbatim, yeah. So we hope that's enough to tie you over. But just like, if you're like, am I supposed to? Yeah, just drink. That's kind of how we play the game. Everyone wins is the fun part of that. I win the most, but you guys can get runner up.

Right. Well, we're starting the show and look at how full this bottle is. Eva and I were sharing it. Eva and I were sharing it. Yesterday we weren't, but I learned from your altitude that it's not a fun game to play. That being said, I guess let's crack into it? Yes. Let's.

Okay. You can drink to that one, too, I guess. Yeah. While we're at it. Yeah. Anytime there's, like, an awkward silence, just shovel them down. Okay. So, I tried to pick a story that I thought you guys would know

so you would when you applaud it wouldn't be because you feel bad for me it would be because you're like actually excited so um I tried to find I typed in like most haunted Denver I mean it was a basic google search um but someone jokingly asked that in the meet and greet line yesterday they were like how do you find your stories do you just type in like Denver ghost Denver murder and we were like, how do you find your stories? Do you just type in like Denver ghost, Denver murder? And we were like, fuck, how do they know that? She was like, what's your process? And I was like, my process?

Frantically Googling. Anyway, I frantically Googled. And this was like the first one on many, many listicles, if you will. So this is the story of Cheeseman Park. Who's to say if you actually knew that or felt that? I think I've heard of it. If I've heard of it, they've heard of it. Okay, good.

Well, it is Cheeseman Park. Yes? Cool. I thought you were telling them. I was like, okay. In case you didn't know. Well, I have actually, we've done live shows, and I was in the city telling a story that they all knew,

and I was just saying it wrong the whole time. Yeah, that was awkward. No one felt the need to correct me. They drink a lot, though, so it's fine. That should be part of the game. Drink if I mispronounce something. Oh, no, that's dangerous. You'll be annihilated by the end

So this one actually does start With an actual fun fact So I'm telling you It happens the entire time So apparently Cheeseman Park and the ghosts there Are part of the inspiration

For the movie Poltergeist Ooh ah I did not know that So I'm going to go into a little bit of the history. Some of it's fun, some of it's not. So be ready. So let's travel back to 1858. Let's.

My favorite year. Remember it well. Fondly, yeah. So General William Larimerimer do we know that name oh okay eventually there's like a larimer high school or something so there is something wow i'm good at this so uh he's apparently the founder of denver okay cool and the founder they were less confident about that one, but. They were like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I participated.

This is your job. Right. So, General Larimer, he took 320 acres and built them into Mount Prospect Cemetery, which was the first cemetery that was on this property. When I say took, I mean he took it from Native Americans. Oh, wow. No comment. That is extremely shocking information. Thank you. Yeah. Well, that comes into play later. So he used the acres and built Mount Prospect Cemetery. So then he decided that this was going, I think this was also the very first cemetery in Denver. And so he had this layout in his mind of where all the types of bodies would go. What? I

know. So he decided that only the richest and most elite bodies, dead bodies, could be buried at the top of the hill. The most elite dead bodies. Cool. I don't know what that means. That makes total sense. That's up for you to figure out. And then he said that people in the middle class could be kind of buried on the hill, but kind of at an angle. They're sloping down.

And then the more lower class you were, the closer to the edge of the cemetery you were allowed to be buried. So that was his genius plan. Cool, that's nice. He sounds like a great guy so far. No, well, yeah, taking land and, yeah, he sounds like a real asshole. Super winner.

Sorry about your elementary school or whatever it was. Sorry about your elementary school or whatever it was. So this is not the first person to be buried there, but the second person to be buried there was John Stoffel and his murder victim. Ooh, it's a twist. What? So him and his murder victim are both buried there. His murder victim is also his brother-in-law

Oh no So family drama So in 1859 So a year after the cemetery was built John came to Denver To visit his brother-in-law And apparently they got into a fight And he shot him

He was convicted of murder And they were both buried together, and by together, I mean together together, they were dumped into the same grave. Wait, he was convicted of murder? What, did they execute him? Or like, why is he also dead?

Oh, okay. I was like, he just... Yeah, I didn't want to tell you that. Okay. I wanted you to figure it out. Okay. I thought they buried him alive with his murder victim That is a little bit

That's a punishment So yeah So they were the second and third people To be buried there And they are buried together Fun fact Em stop it In 1865 there were so many graves in the Catholic section,

because remember, he's like divvying up where everyone gets to stay, whether you're rich or you're a religion, all that. So the Catholic section was, there were just too many graves. So he sold that land to the archdiocese and created Mount Calvary Cemetery. So it was the Catholic people were buried in their own cemetery now next to the bigger cemetery. Okay. A couple years later, Congress said that the cemetery was federal land and they wanted to sell it to the city of Denver. And so they renamed it Denver City Cemetery. Clever. I know. They didn't take a lot of time to name it. And it also got nicknamed to just City Cemetery.

So now as City Cemetery, it has over time fallen into disrepair, and it's known as the Old Boneyard, which is ironic because apparently Cheeseman Park also has a reputation for being a meet-up for gay men. Okay. Okay. Okay. Not part of the history at all. Just something I learned and needed to share.

That is a fun fact. And that is when you say fun fact. Thank you. Not at the other stuff. That's the funnest fact you've said so far. So anyway, the old boneyard, as it were. I love it. Beautiful.

So. The old boneyard, as it were. I love it. Beautiful. That's pretty good. Thank you. I get a good dad joke in there every now and then. Dad joke? I don't know about that. What? Gay boneyard. All right, okay.

A fun dad. Quite well, you're ahead, my friend. It's fine, it's fine. It's just funny, so. Shit. Weird. This is troublesome for me. Bye, Christine.

Bye. See you tomorrow. Hopefully. So, at this point, because the whole place is just kind of getting run down, mainly criminals and people who are not claimed are buried here. Oh dear. And tombstones are falling over and apparently

there is an infestation of prairie dogs. What the fuck? Yeah? Okay so that's not a crazy thing to see. Okay. They're like yeah duh. They're like who doesn't have a prairie dog infestation? And apparently also a lot of cattle started just kind of waltzing on in and just knocking things over.

Sure, okay. So between prairie dogs and cows, this place was just ridden silly with them. So embarrassed by the reputation that it was just kind of not to being taken care of well at all, General Larimer renamed the burial ground in 1873. I didn't get what that name was but he renamed it again because apparently you have to change his name. In 1873 and it didn't help though because he wanted to start fixing it up and making it look nice but at that same time a smallpox hospital

was built right next door. Oh no. And thousands of people were not just being we're not just going there to get treatment but a lot of family members were leaving them there to die. Oh no. And since they had so many patients and they didn't know what to do with all of them

dying they also in their own, started just creating mass graves. Oh, my God. So there was just more bodies upon more bodies, and they weren't able to clear up any of the property. And I saw that it added thousands of bodies to an area already bearing thousands of bodies. At the same time, the cemetery was just looking like crap, apparently. The city was like, okay, we've got to do something about this. And this is around the late 1880s at this point.

And the city asked Congress to make the cemetery a park. Apparently it was, like, really nice real estate at that time and they're like we need to do something else with it. It's clearly not really being a cemetery anymore so let's turn into something else that people will use. So in 1890 Congress allowed the city to create Congress Park but they first needed to remove the body. So it now officially has the name Congress Park but they're like well we're going to do a bunch of cleanup first before it's really a park. So in 1893, all the families of people who had loved ones that were buried in the previous cemetery, they were all told that they had 90 days to exhume the bodies. Oh my God. Why is that on them? And bury them elsewhere. I don't, I don't

know. What the fuck? Okay. So most of the bodies were never claimed. Apparently out of approximately 5,000 bodies in the cemetery, only 700 were claimed and exhumed. Wait, and what year was this? 1893. Yeah, you can't just email people and be like, how are you supposed to find all these people's relatives? Your carrier pigeon can't fly that far.

No. So most of the bodies were never claimed. And for the 5,000 bodies that were not claimed, they need to be removed by the city. And so the city hired a guy named E.P. McGovern. What a cool name. Not a cool guy, though. Oh, never mind.

I tried. So he had a contract with the city that he was going to exhume and rebury the bodies in brand new caskets. He was going to rebury them. I guess there was a cemetery up north, and he was supposed to bring them there. And he was going to get paid almost $2 per body, or technically $2 per casket. Oh, dear. He realized that, oh, well, I can probably make a profit off of this and, well, if there's, I can probably make a profit off of this and make more money

if there's more caskets. And so, he, instead of using adult-sized caskets, Nope. Nah. He used child-sized caskets, so that way there would be, apparently, three child-sized caskets fit one adult body. What? So, he was

tripling his profit. What the fuck? Sorry. Sometimes I forget I have a microphone literally two millimeters from my face. I didn't mean to scream that at you. Since they were smaller... Is that better? Since the caskets were smaller, it meant that they would require

more of them to stuff a whole body into. Stuff is the correct word. I didn't mess that up. Because he would exhume the body. He would dismember it, quote, into chunks. And then stuff them into caskets until they were full. Okay.

And then there's an article that said, this caused quite a mess with limbs and bones scattered about. Wow. Scattered about. That's quite a cute way to put it, I guess. Right. And there was some excuse kind of going around at one point that there was like an adult-sized casket shortage.

And so he was like, well, I needed to use children's caskets. No, that's not a thing i don't believe which like if there is a shortage then just wait until there's more and then bury them uh but anyway so bodies were literally broken up and then uh sent apart from each other so there might be like this is really sorry there's like a head on one side of town and like their arm on the other side of town. Because they were just moving caskets and not labeling them, not giving them markers when they got to the graveyard. Just bringing them to the cemetery and all these bodies are just everywhere.

So, fun fact. M. Stop. So, this also attracted looters to the cemetery because McGovern would not only be doing this horrible process, but he was pulling out caskets faster than he could actually dismember the bodies. And so he was leaving caskets open for years. Oh, dear. Until he could get to them. Until, like, it was their turn in line.

So he would go home after working and then people would just strip the bodies from clothes and jewelry and it was not good. No, no, no, no. So people were coming in and knocking over headstones. Basically, they were just violating the entire area. And in the 1870s, the authorities had been warned multiple times about what McGovern was doing,

but they ignored it because they just wanted the bodies removed. And finally someone really looked into it, and I guess everyone was kind of thinking it was a rumor and they didn't believe it, but then they realized there are three times as many caskets being buried, and they're all child-sized. Oh, God. They finally figured out that the rumors were true, and so the city canceled their contract with him, but they

did not bother removing the rest of the two to three thousand bodies that he didn't get to. So you're not perfect, Denver. I didn't say it. That and out sicknesses, your only

problems, but... And this this bullshit outside whatever that is while while we're adding to the list i guess but that's it that's it so a year later the city leveled the land um and just to get the whole project over with they were literally just pulling out leftover headstones um like put taking out headstones that are actually still over graves of bodies. They were now creating unmarked graves and just throwing the headstones away so they would just have flat land to use as a park. If there were open graves, they would just put shrubs and plants in them to cover it up.

By 1907, you guys had a park, so congratulations. You did it! I'm so proud of you. So by 1907, Congress Park was built. When building Congress Park, everyone was pretty nervous because the city didn't actually have a lot of funding to be able to get it done. But kind of out of the woodwork, there was a widow who donated $100,000. And she said that her husband would have loved the park and wanted

it to go towards a pavilion. And they then named the pavilion and that part of the park after them, which is Cheeseman Park. Oh, you're wondering where they were like, cool last name. We got to name this park. So in 1950, the city of Denver got the Mount Calvary property, like the where all the Catholic bodies are being buried. They got that land back. And so now they had an even larger chunk of land to do something with. And they turned that into the Botanic Garden. They know what that is, where all the Catholic bodies are buried. Charming. Charming. Say a prayer when you get there. So for the most part the rest of the property is now residential, but that's apparently,

it's Cheeseman Park, and then it's the Botanical Gardens, and then it's Congress Park, right? Does that make sense? Okay. And then it's surrounded by residential areas, but those buildings were built on top of land that also used to be part of the cemetery, which means all of those apartments are currently also buried on top of bodies. Super. So do you live there?

Uh-oh. at your house. Nowadays, so just like how the Boneyard reference how it used to be a meetup for gay men. Right. Your clever joke, yes we remember. Remember how funny I was? Keep drinking in case you forgot. So nowadays, Cheesman Park is actually very proud to be the main LGBT gathering spot for big events such as the Pride Festival and the AIDS Walk. That's pretty baller. So good for you guys. Very happy about that. Very good. But bodies are still found in the park and the gardens okay all

the time i had you on and up and then i got you on it's a roller coaster it is never know what you're gonna get so uh body parts are still uh i wouldn't say regularly found but they are found often enough that when they are reported, people are like, okay. Super. Like, that checks out. I don't need to see it, I believe you. God, okay. So the last couple reports that I saw were in 2008 and 2010.

During construction work near the pavilion, six different skeletons were found. Which isn't too long ago. That's, wow. Okay. And also, there is a horror film called The Changeling, and it is about... Oh, yeah, that's a good movie. It is about the activity that, so it was written by someone that actually used to live

in the apartments next to the park, and the shit that happened in his apartment. So, loosely based on his personal experience next to Cheeseman Park. Wow. Isn't that about a kid that goes missing? apartment. Ooh. So loosely based on his personal experience next to Cheeseman Park. Wow. Isn't that about a kid that goes missing? Okay, whatever. I don't know.

I'm telling you what Wikipedia told me. Leave me alone. I will. So, you know, we have this rule where we don't ask each other questions on stage. No, and I break it every single time. Every single time. Because, like, what if I fucked up and I don't know?

But don't let me look dumb. But then every single time we're on stage. And I break it every single time. Every single time. Because like, what if I fucked up and I don't know? But don't let me look dumb. But then every single time we're on stage, Christine's like, I have a question. And I'm like, oh! And then I just blame Wikipedia every time. Well, I'm blaming the altitude.

That's fine. I guess so. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So. Oh, there it yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. So. Oh, there it is. There it is. So then my last fun fact, if you will, is that the city offers, I heard someone go,

oh my God, I'm full of fun facts. Drink! So. So. So the city offers ghost tours and one of the most infamous spots that they check out is always Cheesman Park. Okay, cool. The end.

Spooky, spooky. Now that we've gone through all that, I know you guys came here for the ghosts, so let's just talk about that for a little bit. Oh. You guys are like, I had my history class. Where's my reward? History class is a relative term, but. Look, if this was the history I was learning, I would have been an expert in history by this time in my life.

Probably, yeah, me too. Okay, let's just jump right into it. So right when bodies started being removed from the cemeteries, this goes all the way back to the 1890s, strange things have been happening on the property yay so super uh i'm i try to like rank them and like least scary to most scary so you have something to enjoy but i don't know if i did that well so you might get an occasional ah in there so so let's hope so let's see so there frequently, if you use equipment like electromagnetic activity,

if you're trying to test for that, a lot of equipment will regularly spike and not consistently. So sometimes it'll be over in this patch. Sometimes it'll be over here. It's not electrical wiring. There's no power lines or anything underneath the ground, which is validating since it's not consistent because it's so random you don't know what's going on uh many people have felt something grab their hands arms legs and shoulders that's least scary is that what you're

saying we're going i think okay good luck uh a grave digger named Jim. He felt a ghost grab his shoulders and then try to push him into an open grave. Oh, dear. And Jim never came back. I mean, he's alive. He just didn't come back to work. Wait, I was like, what the hell? Never came back from hell.

I don't know. Oh, my God. I don't know. Oh my God, you really scared me. No, Jim's fine. Well, he's dead now because I was in the 1800s. Oh. R.I.P. R.I.P. Maybe he is in hell now.

Who knows? He might be because he was a grave digger, but while he was hired to be a grave digger, he was also one of the looters and stealing from all those bodies. Oh, dear. So now we know where he is. No wonder someone tried to push him into a grave. Right.

Well, yeah, so he was one of the first people to report feeling shoulders shove him into an open grave. Got it. Okay. There are also reports of people seeing a woman walking around, often singing to herself. Great. And then she vanishes.

Nah. Great. And then she vanishes. Nah. Awesome. A lot of people have claimed to see the outline of the original graves where they used to stand. Ew. Which I never even thought was... Like the gravestones? Yeah. Oh, oh, oh.

Like there's no stone, there's no headstones now. But apparently when you're by yourself or when you're i don't know when it goes it's trying to scare you you'll see the outlines of the original headstone i've never even heard of that one so i'm always excited when there's a new type of content yeah uh you hear footsteps all the time so i'm like it's fun to hear that one uh so when i say people, from now on, I mean both visitors of the park and neighbors in their apartments. So just for your information. So they often feel unbelievable grief or dread when walking on the street by the park. A lot of people have reported having trouble getting up after sitting or lying down.

Uh-oh. Apparently, especially if you're in the park, if you're just, like, having a picnic or something, you're, like, on the ground, apparently getting up feels like you have, like, 100 pounds holding you down. What the hell? So you have to fight your way up to stand.

A lot of people have seen children playing in the park, and then they'll blink or turn around, and nobody's there. A lot of people have seen children playing in the park, and then they'll blink or turn around, and nobody's there. A lot of people have seen small shadow figures running around in the park in the middle of the night. Eh. Eh. I don't love that. I'll take a different route.

I'd rather not be able to get up from my picnic blanket. But imagine if you couldn't get up and you see the shadows running around you. Well, alright. Game changer! Some people have seen kids playing there at night and try to approach them to be like, where are your parents? And then

the kids just look at you and just fade away. They're like, you ruined our game. They've also heard children laughing, yelling, and running. People have felt getting knocked into when they're in the park as if a little kid bumps into them. People have been grabbed, like I said, but they've also seen apparitions. This one was interesting because people will see apparitions

of what look like, I don't know, normal people walking around. But half the time, people will see apparitions of people that look very dead. What? Like zombies? I guess. You see someone who looks like they've been buried in the ground for 100 years, I guess. Okay, that's good. I tried to look more into that

to get like a description, but people just kept saying, I thought I saw a corpse standing up and then they blink and it's not there anymore. Oh, good. So enjoy your dreams tonight. Thanks.

Apparently in the playground, the swings will also swing on their own. That could be the wind, but this is a paranormal show. So that was a fucking ghost. That's my job to say, it was a heavy, it was a bomb cyclone, whatever that is. Guys, if you go to that park right now,

I bet those swings are moving. It's a lot of ghosts active tonight. People feel icy cold pressure, and they say that when you try to walk away from it It will surround you That sounds just like this fucking bomb cyclone That's called Denver Wait a second, Em, hold on

It's the ghost of Denver It's all making sense And then, classic You feel like you're being watched and followed when you're alone Well, that I can't explain, sorry There has also been a lot of paranormal activity Reported both day and night Which is kind of cool because usually you just expect it to happen at night, but the exact same amount of activity happens 24 hours a day. Oh dear. So you're never

safe. There are several reports of misty and shadowy figures climbing and sitting in the trees. Figures climbing and sitting in the trees. Firm pass. What the hell? Also near the open graves with the shrubs that they tried to cover it up with. You can hear moaning, whispering, crying, and snickering. I don't like that. Nah.

I don't know which one's worse, honestly. And the snickering. I don't get to say that word a lot. So it seems newer, which means it's scarier. Yeah. Many people hear laughter, or they think someone is running by them and nobody's there. Oh, that's the same bullet I already read. Whoops. I tried rewording it and using it earlier, and apparently I forgot to erase that.

Eva, just cut that part out. It's fine. Eva, just erase that. Eva, just cut that part out. It's fine. Eva, just erase that. So those living in the residential homes nearby say that the apartments have their own poltergeist activity. Oh, super.

People have reported lights going on and off by themselves. They've seen doors, windows, and cabinets all fly open and closed all on their own. They have seen someone in the reflections of their bathroom mirrors. Okay. Okay. they have seen someone in the reflections of their bathroom mirrors okay and also they when they're looking out their windows on upper floors they will see floating heads staring at them spirits will walk up and down the staircase they'll walk through your walls and doors they will walk up and stand right in front of you, like just waiting for you to react, apparently.

People have also seen shadow figures standing at the edge of their bed, and they have been woke. Oh. That scared me more than that did. Yeah. And so standing at the foot of your bed, some people have woken up to feeling them sitting on your bed. Okay.

Also, I don't remember what episode this was, but we talked about how much we love slash hate the show Scariest Places on Earth. Oh, yes. Because that creepy little alien voice. Yeah. For those who don't know what I'm talking about, there's a show that is not around anymore,

but the narrator, I think, is an alien. Well, no, she's from... She's the lady from... Everyone emailed us. She's a famous person. You know who I'm talking about, right? Well, she does a really good impression of an alien. And it's all weird and creepy,

and five-year-old me refused to watch the show. No, it's very scary. It's like a demonic high-pitched voice. It's really, it's really uncomfortable. It's very scary. No matter what age you are, just go YouTube an episode of that and you won't feel good. No. So they talked, they had a whole segment on this place.

And they had two volunteers stay in a tent on top of an unmarked grave and they tested out so the two people staying in the tent they tested out a compass and immediately it started going crazy uh in every direction and then their lantern went out oh no um and then multiple times on camera uh something starts banging on the outside of their tent someone is definitely running around the tent the tent is shaking and you can see shadows of people running around. And I thought like, okay, well that's like some sad intern

that like had to just like bang on the tent. I just thought of like, like a PA like your days on Disney when you had to like go run around on tents. So I thought that was the case but then the next thing that they show you is the camera pointing at the tent outside You had to go run around at tents. Oh, sad. So I thought that was the case.

But then the next thing that they show you is the camera pointing at the tent outside. And nobody's running around. Oh, no. Nobody is banging on anything. And you can hear the same sounds of them screaming, like, overlapped on both cameras. So, I mean, they edited it well if it's fake. But it scared me. Then the girls are petrified. They're like screaming.

They clearly want to get out of there. And also, by the way, the person who's walking them through it over the walkie-talkie is a grade-A dick. Because they're screaming, and you can tell they're kind of crying, and they're trying to keep their cool. And the person on the walkie-talkie is like, there's no reason to react this way it's like what you get in this motherfucking tent sir climb on in come on i cannot with that i mean we in the entertainment industry you know anyone with a fucking walkie talkie man it's just like that's how it goes if there's a walkie talkie on them we don't like them no it. That's what it is. Then the girls were like, okay, let's like

get our shit together and like we're just going to try to go to sleep. And as one of them is trying to get into her sleeping bag, something grabs her back. And she looks like she kind of got pushed in a weird way. She starts screaming and she's like, something definitely grabbed my back. Fuck this. And then they leave.

And Kevin was like, Roger, hello? Yeah, exactly. 10-2? 10-2. Do you guys know what that means? No? No. It means poop, by the way.

I thought that was our fun inside joke and you just ruined it. For the people who got dragged here, if you're working... There's a lot of you, I'm sure. If you're working on set and someone into the walkie-talkie for you're like, oh, where's Christine? And then Christine will just go, 10-2. It means like, I'm busy. I'm on the toilet is what it means.

So if you've ever heard that in a movie, now you know what's going on. Okay. I don't know why you would hear that, but. You never know. Never know. Good bar trivia, I suppose. Yeah. So, then the girls felt something, grabbed their back, and they left. And then they kind of got interviewed for a second after the fact, but you could tell they were really jarred.

So, they left, and that was pretty much the end of the show. But I do have one story that really uh surprised me it's i don't i i feel like it can't be real but i didn't say it wasn't so that sounds like the making of our entire podcast right let's go my whole segment should just be called Allegedly, because I never know. So one guy wrote a story about him and his friend walking through the park at night, and they heard a rattling chain, and it wouldn't leave them alone. They kept turning around.

No one was there. And then finally they heard the rattling chain rattle a little too closely to them, and they turned around, and there were two people behind them. One was a kid on a bike, and on the bike there was a chain that was dangling. It was, like, dangling from the bike, so that was the sound they were hearing. The kid on the bike was riding in circles around a thin, pale man in a shredded, bloody hospital gown.

Oh, what? No. And then, I guess, the kid on the bike stops riding the bike because he realizes how stupid this probably looks. And then walks with the guy in the gown to get closer to these two people that wrote the story. What?

And they can tell that the man's jaw is broken. Neither of them seem to really be like, they don't seem to be reacting to the fact that he looks this way. They're acting totally normal. And then the guy says, asks for a cigarette. Wait, which guy? The guy with the broken jaw asks for a cigarette. I guess it wouldn't be the guy who sees a dead person.

Okay, you're right. That is a stupid question okay got it got it got it broken jaw guy asked for a cigarette okay and then he said uh did you see them and the two guys are like no who are you talking about and uh the guy in the gown says the ones who did this to me they stabbed me 15 times oh what the fuck then he lifts his gown sleeves and you can see

several deep wounds into his arms and then the two guys are like shouldn't you be in the hospital and then the guy with the broken jaw in the gown said watch out for them and then him and the kid backed off and faded away what the hell i don't know what the kid with the bike was doing

yeah he needs to go home but somehow he is an important part to that oh Oh my god. Anyway, if you see a guy in a bloody hospital gown, he might ask for a cigarette. And also call the police. That's my duty to say that part. Anyway, all of that is the story of Cheeseman Park. Yay!

Ooh, that was wild! That was spooky. Good one. Thank you. Good game, good game. Hello, everybody. And now it's Christine's turn. It's me.

Hi. Let me make sure I have my notes yep okay there was one time i was on stage and i opened up my first show ever uh i realized i had uh the wrong notes for like a totally different show yeah and then i had to luckily i just printed the wrong ones but then i had to make evil like run up here and give me the right ones. It was very awkward. I just had to sit here. You don't want to see us forcefully banter

when there's nothing to banter. It's very uncomfortable. Especially when we've already pulled the weather card with you guys. There's not much else to pander. But anyway, I felt bad because we just sat here and poor Eva had to go get the notes. It took forever. Anyway.

It looks like I have the right ones, so you're in luck. Okay, guys. I'm very excited to tell this story. I don't know if you know it. I hope so. If not, maybe pretend you do so that I don't get super nervous. Okay. This is the story of the Spider-Man of Denver.

Well, that sounds way cool. Well, I think four people really knew about it. And some were like, I guess she said I should clap. Okay. You said Spider-Man. I am ready. I intentionally said Spider-Man. Because it's not like Spider-Man.

It's Spider-Man. Okay. So I want to give a little credit to a new podcast I discovered called Dark Histories Podcast, as well as the Colorado Prison Museum, and of course, my favorite, Murderpedia.org. That's where I got most of this information. So, all right. Let's go back to 1941. My other favorite year.

Yep. We remember it well uh so this takes place at 33 35 west moncrief place which is in north denver 22 minutes north of here i checked uh it's a super cute like brick family home and in the 40s it was owned by a man named philip peters and his wife helen uh They had lived there together for 40 years and raised a son together. They were a super happy couple in their 70s and they were like super involved in their community. Philip played

the mandolin. Aww. I know. I bet he did a good job. He did. And he was a member of a local Denver musicians club for guitar and mandolin enthusiasts. Wow. So they were just like a super cute, you know, elderly couple.

Sure. So in September of 1941, Helen Peters had unfortunately fallen and broken her hip, so she was staying in the hospital to recover for a few weeks. And this meant that Philip, her husband, would be at home by himself. He was 71 at this point. And he visited the hospital every day to see his wife, Helen, while she recovered. I love that. I know. He's great. I like to think he played the mandolin for her, but I'm making that up. Okay. So that meant that,

so he, obviously his wife wasn't around. So a lot of the younger neighbors would kind of step in and help him around the house and would invite him over for meals so that he wasn't alone. On Friday, October 17th, okay, well, you know, things just get really sad here, so I'm sorry that... I hope you had fun laughing. Yeah. I gave you two solid bullets of easy going. Things are about to go downhill. So October 17th, Philip was due for dinner at the neighbors and their names were Mr. and Mrs. Ross, but he didn't show up. And Mrs. Ross thought

that was odd because he was never late. So she got a little worried. She went to check if Philip was okay. Strangely, all the lights at the house were off and nobody was answering the front door. Yeah. Mrs. Ross saw her neighbor Doris passing by and asked if Doris would help hoist her over the fence. I like that she's nosy. She's like, I'm going to figure this out. And you know Doris is obviously wandering around just trying to. I've never met a Doris who wasn't willing to help. Oh, for sure.

I got you. She's like, I'll be complicit in this act, whatever it may be. So Mrs. Ross had a key to Philip's house to come and help him out and check on him and stuff. So she gets hoisted by Doris right over that fence. That's right. Uh-huh. And she's able to unlock the back door. She enters the house and switches on the kitchen light,

only to see the room covered in blood. Yeah. The blood is spattered up the walls. It trails through the doorway into the front rooms of the house. Mrs. Ross followed the trail of blood, which, good for you, but she followed the trail of blood. She found the body of Philip Peters lying face down in the front bedroom, obviously called police immediately, and when they arrived, they determined that Philip had been struck 37 times with a blunt object. Oh my god. Many of the wounds

were lacerations to his front forearm, suggesting he had defended himself. And laying next to him was his walking stick, which had broken in half, suggesting he had used it as like a defense weapon. Yeah, sorry. It's not good. Whoops. Right. So in the kitchen, investigators found fragments of the butt of a revolver on the floor, as well as a cast iron stove poker that appeared to be out of place. Oh no.

And so they were like, these are probably the murder weapons, sent them back for fingerprint checks. You know those. Fingerprint checks? Right, the lab. They're at the lab. So initially detectives were like,

oh, this is probably a robbery. Someone came in and didn't realize he was home and attacked him. But then they realized there was one problem, which is that every single door and window in the house was still locked. And they were like, oh, that's odd. Then they looked around the house and found more than $400 kind of like laying around, and they were like, okay, maybe it wasn't a robbery because the person would have taken that. So very mysterious.

Phillip also didn't have any known enemies. So there was nobody that they could kind of point to as breaking in and trying to attack him for revenge or anything like that. So police were stumped. The murder continued to go unsolved for months and police were still baffled as to how the intruder would have gotten in or out of the house. The case basically stalled, and police were stuck. And meanwhile, Phillip's wife, Helen, had recovered from her injury, and she was coming home from the hospital.

And she had to go home to the empty house. Oh, no. But because she was alone, she hired two nurses to help her, one during the day and one during the night. So she settled into that lifestyle. She had two nurses. Everything seemed to be okay. Everyone seemed to be moving on. And then police got a very interesting phone call.

Okay. From Spider-Man? From Spider-Man. I would like that phone call. This is my fanfic, actually. My Spider-Man fanfic. I'm testing it out. No, no, no.

It's Spider-Man and his sidekick, Doris. What a story. Eva, write that down, because that would be good. Okay. So, police received a strange call. One of Helen's nurses, Edith Clark, told police she believed the house was haunted. Well, she's right. She was hearing noises in the walls, footsteps in empty rooms, items would go missing throughout the house, newspapers would vanish, and trays of food left out for Helen would be moved

and messed with, despite Helen swearing she hadn't touched the food. Helen herself did not hear any of this activity when police asked, but then they realized she was hard of hearing. So they were like, okay. So they asked the other nurse and she said, oh yeah, I hear things all the time. And so they asked Hattie, who's the night nurse, and Hattie said, yeah, I hear things all the time, but I just ignore them. And they were like, well, what do you hear? And she said, okay, I ignored most things. It was footsteps and banging in the walls, et cetera. I'm serious. Not things I'd ignore.

She obviously wasn't a listener of our show. Right, right. She said, you know, I kind of ignore things until one day a neighbor stopped by. And this neighbor, so it was a next-door neighbor, and they had had a doorbell installed from Helen's bedroom to their house so that if she were in distress or... Oh, wow. I know.

And so she would ring it, and she rarely, if ever, rang the bell. But if she did, it would go to the neighbor's house, and they would come over and either call the police or whatever it may be that was going on. So one day this neighbor rushes over, like all frantic, and says, is everything okay? Is everything okay? And Helen was home alone at this point. And Helen's downstairs sitting in her chair,

and is like, I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't ring the bell. And everyone thought that was kind of odd because none of the nurses were home, and Helen was downstairs, and there was no way that she would have been able to get up the stairs and back in the time that the neighbor ran over. So that's when Hattie was kind of like, yeah, maybe we should look into what this might be. So thanks for coming around, Hattie. It's about time. You're on board. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Please hold.

Cool. We're good. So things kind of just kept escalating like this until one night when Nurse Edith heard a soft tapping sound, but told herself it was just the woodpeckers. So remember that, I guess, if you're scared. Right. When the swings are going crazy and she's in the park. Just the woodpeckers. It's just the bomb cyclone knocking at the door.

She said, okay. So she hears a soft tapping. She's like, I thought it was a woodpecker. She walked into the kitchen and she saw the door to the stairway slowly open. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. She said a foot came out and then a thin white hand.

She screamed, obviously. Duh. And then the figure disappeared behind the door. So she was like, enough, and called police. They came right away, did a full search of the property, found nothing. And just to let you know, the stairs weren't going upstairs, so they weren't like stairs to the basement or outside or anything. They were stairs to the upstairs.

So they cleared the whole house, found nothing, and they told Edith this. And she was like, well, I wrote this. This is probably not what she said, but wrote IDC I quit essentially she was probably you're probably paraphrasing well though I'd like to think so in any case she was like I don't care I'm leaving and I don't want to do this job anymore and then they asked Hattie how she felt, and she's like, if she's quitting, I'm quitting. Good job, good job. They asked her, she told a reporter later, I wasn't going to stay in no haunted house.

And I was like, finally! So Philip and Helen had an adult son named Philip Jr., and he lived in Grand Junction, Colorado. Okay, six people know about it. He heard about all the things that were going on and he came back to see his mom and he was like, please, you shouldn't live here anymore. Come live with me and my wife back in Grand Junction.

And she resisted at first because this was her home and she didn't want to leave. But she knew that since both of her nurses quit, she was going gonna have a hard time living by herself so she went uh reluctantly with her son and moved in with him and his wife so once again so now the house is empty everyone's kind of like okay the case is cold things are moving on and then police started to get some more strange phone calls this time they were from the neighbors. And the neighbors said

they saw shadowy apparitions in the windows of the empty house. Good night. They insisted that throughout the week the blinds would change positions. Mm-hmm. I bet they did. I bet it was a ghost too. They did. And so people were calling so often. And because police didn't have any other leads, they would drive out and check every single time somebody called. So they searched the house thoroughly every single time. Each time they found nothing but empty rooms, locked doors, locked windows. Still could not figure this out.

So obviously police were frustrated. So for five days straight, they had two policemen stationed out on the front porch to keep watch for five days doing nothing else. And they just sat there, probably bored out of their minds, and saw nothing and heard nothing. And listened to our podcast. And listened to the company. And wished that in the 1940s they had podcasts. Right. So they just sat there for five days nothing happened and they were like well if we're not hearing anything for five days you know people are overreacting or seeing things so of course the media caught wind of this and

pretty quickly the papers began calling phillips murder the ghost slayings and the house developed the nickname the ghost house of denver so on july 30th 1947 two detectives were patrolling the neighborhood and so it became for whatever reason standard procedure to just like if they were in the neighborhood they would go check the house they're like one of these days we'll find something right so these two guys were like all right we gotta walk through the house so they were walking through the house, did a sweep, and during their routine search, they both heard a faint noise coming from upstairs. Hmm.

Hmm. They ran upstairs through the bedroom and into a small back storage room where the noise was coming from, and there they were met by the sight of two legs. I don't like these legs because first there's a door opening and someone just like dips the toe. Dips the toe. And now all of a sudden there's just like

two other little guys. We haven't seen above the knee and I'm nervous. Well you've come to the right place because the legs are scrambling up into a small false panel in the back of a closet.

So they grabbed the legs and pulled and they pulled out a pale emaciated man. They later described him as quote, beetle-browed, wide-eyed, and pale as a ghost. He hated sunlight

and was the color of a mushroom. Sounds like a fun guy. I quit. IDC, I quit. IDC, I quit. Em literally had to explain that to me. I was like, why is everyone clapping? I went, fun guy, fun guy. God damn it.

I'm such an idiot. Okay. I know. Okay. I know. Okay. They also said he looked like a spider that scurries for darkness when you pick up a stone. Well, I kind of wondered that because if they're grabbing his legs, I imagine like his legs flailing. He's like scurrying up. Yeah. He was literally scurrying up a little panel. Okay. So on July 30th, 1947, two detectives were patr- Oh, I said that. Stop. Delete that. Put that out of your brain. I was going to tell you all over again just so I could hear M's hilarious joke.

I'll remind you of it like four times tonight, don't worry. Oh, I know. I'm not going to hear the end of it. So, his clothing had rotted and was held together by string and rope and despite being six feet tall he weighed only 75 oh my oh my yeah it was bad um so they took him down to the station where he told them his name was matthew cornish and he worked in advertising Huh. But then they fed him a hamburger, an apple pie, and a coffee, and he was like, yeah, I was lying. And they were like, yeah, we know. Ay, ay, ay.

So, oh, my God. Okay. So they fed him a hamburger, an apple pie, and a coffee. Then he gave in and told them his real story. So he said his name was Theodore Edward Conies. He had killed Philip Peters. Theodore Edward Conies, so he had been born in 1882 in Illinois, and he had suffered from our favorite consumption, tuberculosis,

as a child, and was told... Please see a doctor! Oh, no. child and was told please see a doctor oh no oh no don't love that okay so he had suffered from tuberculosis as a child he was told he wouldn't live to see his 18th birthday so he just dropped out of high school and his mom kind of uh shelter him. He had always wanted to play baseball as a kid, but his mother insisted that he was too frail, so she pushed him into studying music instead. And as a result, he became pretty good at the mandolin. Does anyone remember that? Oh, I remember.

Okay. So Theodore did indeed obviously survive into his adult years, but he found himself homeless off and on through his adult life. At one point, he moved to Denver and joined the local Mandolin Club. And this is where he met Helen and Philip. So Helen and Philip noticed that Theodore was down on his luck, that he didn't have much money, and so they often invited him over for dinner and for food, and they gave him money to kind of make his way. Got it.

for food and they gave him money to kind of make his way. Got it. But then he left Denver at one point and he decided he was going to pursue a number of business ventures, maybe advertising. I don't know. I don't know how true that part was, but all of them failed. He tried to kind of con his way and it just didn't work. So unfortunately, after 30 years of sort of aimless wandering throughout the U.S., he found himself back in Denver, broke and homeless. And so at this point, I have to change the page. Shit, that was so smooth, I thought. And then it wasn't. So at this point, it had been 30 years since he had been in Denver and since he had last seen Helen and Philip.

So he remembered how kind they had been to him, how hospitable. And he was like, you know what, I'm going to stop by their house, ask if I can have some hot food and maybe some money. So he goes to their house. He approaches just in time to see Philip leaving with a neighbor to go visit his wife, Helen, in the hospital like he did every day. So rather than wait for Philip to return, Theodore is like, let's just see if the door's open. And it was. So he, I don't know if doors pushed him in there or what, but he somehow got over that fence. I don't know how, but he hoisted himself over that fence and he found the back door unlocked. So he helped himself to Helen and Philip's food,

and then just basically meandered through the entire house looking through drawers and cabinets. And then upstairs in a storage room, he found a small plywood panel. It was 8 inches by 15 inches, and it was in the top of a closet, and it functioned as a trap door to a tiny coffin-shaped attic. Ah. Ah. Yeah. The attic was three feet high, seven feet long, and four feet wide. Ooh.

Yeah. It's a tiny, tiny space. Tiny little space. And it was, like, vaulted. So at the highest point, it was three feet. Oh, my gosh. And then the rest shrunk down. Okay. So he would, he was like,

you know what? I know Phillip's going to come home soon, but I'm just going to stay here. So he hid out in the attic. This place looks nice. This place looks nice. Yeah. For several weeks, he lived in this crawl space, sneaking out whenever Phillip would go visit Helen in the hospital. And he'd also sneak out at night. He would wait till he heard Philip snoring, and then he would come out of the little hidey hole, go to the kitchen, and sneak just enough food out of the freezer that it wouldn't be noticeable. He found an old crystal set in a closet and a pair of headphones, so he was able to create his own radio to listen to. He slept on an ironing board. I don't know where he got that, but he even shaved with

Philip's razor when he wasn't home. Yeah, pretty nasty. Then Theodore said he got bored. Oh man. Oh shucks. So he said he developed a super fun game. And that was, whenever Philip was walking around the house, he would follow him and shadow his movements. And if Philip sensed someone was behind him, he would jump around a corner, into a closet, and hide. Isn't that the creepiest thing you've literally ever heard? That's such an adrenaline-inducing. Yeah, it's terrible.

That's just anxiety-ridden. He said it was thrilling. So he said, like, if he was making tea or, you know, cleaning the house or whatever, he would, like, follow him and, like, shadow all his movements. Ugh. Ugh. So, so, so, so, so creepy. So he said that was how he entertained himself.

So that's good. Anyway, things just got worse from here, obviously. On Friday, October 17th, thinking that Philip had left to visit Helen in the hospital, Theodore snuck out around 4 p.m. Turns out Philip was just taking a nap. Uh-oh. And he heard someone rooting around in his kitchen. So Philip went downstairs, and both of them were shocked to see the other one standing in front of them.

And Theodore, like, without even thinking, grabbed an old revolver that was hanging on the wall and hit Philip over the head with it. So Philip fell, but he managed to crawl toward the phone in the dining room, and he said he was going to call the police. So Theodore followed him, hitting him again and again until he stopped moving.

And after that, he went back to the freezer and grabbed some food and went back to his little cubbyhole. Oh my. I don't know why. He literally just stayed there. He just went back upstairs. He's like, well, that was a wild day. Yeah. He was like, I was surprised to see the police there the next morning. I was like, what? Why? Anyway. So he went back to his little hidey hole. He was able to listen to the news about the investigation through his makeshift radio. So that's how he kind of kept track of what was going on.

As time went on, he continued living in the crawl space. He would come out occasionally for food or the newspaper, unknowingly becoming the ghost of the Denver ghost slayings. So that's how people saw him. Or that's how the nurses would hear his footsteps and noises in the walls. Sorry, it's not a ghost. Okay. He admitted that sometimes he stood in Helen's bedroom and watched her sleep. Nope.

Nope, nope, nope. Okay. Okay. Ugh. Okay. Theodore managed to live in the attic undiscovered for almost ten months before police finally caught him. He even explained that when police initially searched the house, like, the day of Philip's murder, they had come across the trap door and had tried to push it open, but he said he held on it with all his might, and they just kind of, they said, oh, it's too small, like, I'm sure nobody's up there, and so they just tried pushing it open. Two people couldn't open it, and they moved on. So the papers described Theodore as, quote, living like a spider, which is how he got his new moniker, the Spider Man of Denver. In his official statement, he explained, quote,

in his official statement he explained quote, it's been a nightmare I can't imagine I can't nearly ten months of hellish terrible nightmare and now that it's all coming onto the open I feel relief you can't live like a creature damned without thinking thoughts that burn deep

in your soul, I'm like nobody put you there leave nobody made you there. Leave. Nobody made you go there. The house is empty. You can leave anytime. You can leave. He said, you see, I had never committed a crime before. Not even a petty one.

Yes, justice will come to me as it should. Dot, dot, dot. So for whatever reason, despite that confession, Theodore pled not guilty to first-degree murder. Can't explain it. The trial began at the end of October 1942. It lasted for six days, after which the jury declared Theodore Coney's guilty of first-degree murder. He was sentenced to life in prison with physical labor at the Colorado State Penitentiary.

And rather than dismay, Theodore expressed relief at having a better home than he'd had in years. And that is the story of the Spider-Man of Denver. I like that. Spooky, oofy. I like that. Spooky, oofy. I thought you might like the noises in the walls and the blinds. Well, I expected a ghost and Spider-Man and neither of them happened, but I still enjoyed it. You didn't like my fanfic?

I actually, that was probably one of my favorite stories you've done. I liked it a lot. Oh, okay. That's a good one. Thanks. Thank you guys for having us. Thank you guys. Woo! What a time.

What a city. Thank you. Thank you guys!