And That's Why We Drink - E368 Whodunnit Hauntings and Three Lollipops in a Trench Coat

Episode Date: February 25, 2024

Episode 368 is here and you would tell us if we looked like corpses, wouldn't you? First Em brings us to 1600s England for the Haunting of Isabell Binnington who may or may not be Christine in a former life. Then Christine covers the former cold case of Sharron Prior. And you know what we always say, one man’s plate is another woman’s sixteen shovels… and that’s why we drink!Don't miss the last few shows ever of our On the Rocks tour! andthatswhywedrink.com/live

hello it's m at 100 full potential and it's christine who um we are going to be getting a a low a low energy from christine today so i will be carrying the humor everybody um christine how you feeling like fucking trash thank you this is like probably the worst like i'm really i'm trying my best with love with love you don't look good i don't i know and i also sat right next to a window with and i like have no makeup on or anything. And I sat like directly under like the 2 p.m. sunlight blaring at me. And it looks like I'm death warmed up. Like I look like a corpse today. Are you OK? Are you OK? No, I am not.

Thanks for asking. I'm really, truly in bad shape, but it's fine. Christine's having a bit of a flare. I am. Did you not want to share that? No, no. Listen, I share anything and everything. I mean, I think the first week when I first thought about discussing this today, I like oh I can say you know I'm so old now that I'm always sick but then I remembered that like 2017 the year we started the podcast we posted photos of you visiting me in the hospital so apparently I've just been ill for

I think you're just reconciling with the fact that also for someone who's chronically ill for you to be having the realization now that you're always sick it's like yeah girl you're chronically I know but that's that's kind of what i was saying the other day i was like man it's just like when it's in remission you forget yeah like how bad it is and then suddenly it like shows up and you're like what is this and blaze is like your your partner who's a little smarter than you sometimes is like um my love it's your chronic illness and you're like no couldn't be that um but you know anyway go ahead you you take the reins here i ate too many dumplings again and i do this every time it's the dumpling it's the second time that i beat last july i ate too that's not a joke

that's really because you're eating no it's not a joke not a joke. Yeah, it's real. In New York, last July, I ate too many dumplings. On the plane, I was like, I think I have the flu. I got home and I had like a bowel obstruction. And it ended up going away after a while. But it was like hell on earth. And then the other day, my dad's partner, who is Chinese, brought like these unbelievable dumplings to our Super Bowl watch party. And I ate a lot of them and I knew I shouldn't do it, but I did it anyway. And then about five in the morning, I woke up and thought, wow, I think I have COVID.

Like, what could this be? Yeah, Christine texted all of us saying it's without a doubt. It's so bad. It must be COVID. I must be like, I was like, I don't think I've had 103 plus fever that I like can't get down with like full doses of Tylenol. And since I had COVID, like I was like, I cannot get my fever down. I'm so sick. I was like, I might have to go to the hospital. Anyway, it's because I have another partial bowel obstruction. So that's nice um yeah so basically what happens is that your intestines get so inflamed sorry tmi everybody um that they kind of constrict and then they can't pass any like anything and so they get like blocked and so oftentimes require surgery the last time my doctor told me these don't pass on their own so we are going to require surgery if this is really what's happening and i said haha nice try and i somehow survived it so i'm hoping i can do it again

so you're mid bowel obstruction currently currently i'm in i'm in some pretty severe pain um but also have a high fever not a high fever mild low grade fever because it's like this constant you know inflammation so i've just sweat through um i wear like six shirts a day because i'm like constantly sweating through my clothes i just feel like i have the flu plus food poisoning at the same time do you just want to record tomorrow homie no because i thought oh well like let's record tomorrow and then i was like well shit i'll probably feel worse tomorrow you know i don't know why i feel okay i don't know because i don't think this is just gonna go away very quickly so i was like i might as well just do it on a day where i'm like functioning ish anyway like okay i know we're mid-recording

currently but like do you like want like even a hop in and like take your place or something? Like, no, I can make it work without you. I will be just, how dare you? No, I'm kidding.

Um, no, I'm totally fine. If I were in this severe pain, I'd be like, I literally, I'm just not going to do it. You're,

this is like talking to Taylor Swift and she's like, I have the flu, but the show must go on. And I'm like, okay, relax. What do you say to taylor swift oh someone can replace you i don't think so m uh i don't know nice try i feel bad i just

feel really bad for you so well i don't know because i don't know how to keep the the party going if um i'm i'm partying it up okay i took a tylenol um the thing is it you apparently have to wait six hours in between doses of tylenol so i've just been setting time it feels like i shouldn't be making you do this illegal no oh no no this this is fine this is a nice distraction do you know what otherwise i'd be doing is watching schitt's creek and just cry i keep crying because Gio I think he loves me because he comes to like come for me but then I realized he found a goldfish under my pillow um and so I've been crying a lot about that but otherwise I'm totally fine and I might even like take partially this weed gummy that I took for when we recorded Beachy Sydney the other day because it's

supposedly really good for chronic pain eat the whole thing christine i might eat the whole thing and i'd like to watch you do it right now okay i didn't take it by the way for everybody who's a square it's a it's delta nine it's federally legal okay um but i took one just eat it okay just eat it i would like to all right anyway i'm ready to go how are you okay like we're not even i'm sorry i'm really trying to not be a fucking downer i'm not i'm i'm just happy to have something positive to do for once um because you know valentine's day was kind of just spent um doing that I would rather not be doing. Maybe this is the last year where your colon is your Valentine.

Maybe. Maybe it'll go bye-bye. Yeah. Maybe it's time to talk to a doctor. I made the mistake of Googling, like, partial bowel obstruction treatment. And it's, like, all these pictures of the surgery and i'm like oh they have to like resect resect your colon like they like take it apart and then like staple it back together yeah doesn't that sound like medieval i was like you staple it

so sometimes i i've been to medical history museums and i'm amazed by the technology of like yesteryear and i'm like oh in my mind this was like super archaic right a staple gun to put your intestines together well yeah because then now i look at like today's technology which i think of is so much more advanced than back then it's like robotic the same yeah right you think it's all like ai and robots and then it's like oh we just take big staples and uh just chug chug chug chink chug chink and you're good well i get that i can do that just show me i'm sure i'm sure i probably have done that by accident um anyway so i'm okay i mean i'm fine like i'm i'm much better than i was two days ago when i thought this is the end i told blaze this is the end and he said you need to stop talking go to sleep

if you think that again though you have to go to a hospital please you have to go it's just like what are they gonna do you know they're gonna be like your butt apart or something i don't want them to staple my butt i don't i don't i will be there for you when it when it happens if it happens but thank you i i feel bad i just feel bad okay well let's talk about other people who probably felt really bad okay um so by the way uh do you drink anything? Oh, yes. Lots of Gatorade. Blaze told me if I hydrate, because I can't eat, because I don't have any appetite. So, I'm like, I'm just not able to eat. But he said, if you drink water, make sure it has like something in it, like some salt or some.

And I said, how about Gatorade? And he said, fine. Because then your body digests it. It's not just water where it goes through. Your stomach is forced to digest it, which hopefully will help my obstruction get a move on. So another quick little cue. Quick little cue. Yeah.

What is the plan for next week when we're supposed to be in Pittsburgh? Oh, I'll be there. Don't worry. Oh, my. No, hang on. Like, hang on. Like, maybe we should reassess. Are you sure?

Yeah. We can always push it. We can always. Oh, gosh. No, I'll be fine. It'll go away. It went away last July. It'll go away again.

If I have to do surgery, it'll probably be after Pittsburgh anyway. Okay. Well, you heard it here pittsburgh okay i'll i'll just um have to get some painkillers across international borders and oh true yeah that part i don't know how that works but you know what last time you were the homie for me and eva and this time because we had our really severe food poisoning. This time we got it. We'll honestly bring a little wagon. I'm in better shape right now than you two are.

Because at least I can, I don't have any, like I can sit in one place. So at least there's that, right? Like I feel like I'm winning in that regard. So I wouldn't, I'm not worried about. I'm not worried about it. I'm just glad it's not COVID, quite frankly, because it's not contagious. OK. Hey, me too. You know.

Yeah. That's it. Live in the dream. But I'll be there. This one originally was going to have some deep dives to it and it ends up not happening. So I guess that worked out for you. Oh, excellent. A shorter story to endure. dives to it and they and it ends up not happening so i guess that worked out for you um oh excellent shorter story to endure um this is a classic whodunit haunting um this is the classic

whodunit haunting classic i got nothing no other way to describe it at this point so so this is the haunting of isabel bennington oh it sounds like we already know who done it but it sounds i mean uh she's one of them for sure okay okay uh there's this is in driftfield which is like near yorkshire in england, and this is in 1662. So only a couple of years back. Yeah. Um, this is,

uh, all about Isabel Bennington. She moves there in 1662 with her husband, William. And at the time it was a very small town. It was a very poor town and we don't know much about their lives except the fact that Isabel might have been a maid servant, but that's literally the only other information we have so okay it is sad i feel like sometimes i go through like the um newspapers.com or like the old

ancestry records and if somebody was like a cleaner or like a maid quote unquote or a servant that would be like the only record of them i'm like yeah cool so there's just nothing they just don't matter any other and also like sometimes like i i even look at my own great great grandparents on the census and all i know is yeah their occupation and it's such like a vague occupation where i'm like i how was that enough for the government let alone me yeah they're like oh that william got it one of them just says candy store and i'm like did my grandpa that's actually pretty specific i know but i'm like were you a candy maker or did you just sell candy store were you uh did you have a trench coat filled with toky pops were you actually three lollipops stacked on top of each other in a trench coat filled with toffee pops were you actually three lollipops stacked on top of each other in a trench coat um i i i would like to know more about that or others just say like

factory and i'm like that can't that can't be all i get to know that can't be right or even the wives where it's like homemaker i'm like oh what shame. I like I'm sure there was something. There's nothing else relevant. No. It's all very two dimensional. One facet. But anyway, so we know she's a maidservant. Great. And we don't even know what he was up to.

So three months after moving in, Isabella notices that there's a spot on the floor that is slightly sunken in. Immediately, I'm going to go with why did you only notice three months into this but okay um but she moves in she notices there's a spot on the floor that's like kind of lower and like a hole had been dug out at some point or there was no foundation under it um and she thought maybe i love where her brain goes this is very christine she thinks maybe the former residents buried money or valuable items down there and now it's my job to dig them up and find them well if you had asked me christine what would your first thought be i would be like oh well someone put treasure down there and i'm going to go dig it up so yeah is that not but like in all seriousness is that not where your mind would go no what what would your mind say like i just am wondering what i

would say oh there was an issue in construction and now we have to deal with it and get an inspector i guess that's smart never mind i was like what other more logical reason could there possibly be em i mean it would have been like my second or third thought and i would have been like i hope that's the case instead of me having to pay you would have gotten there eventually yeah so maybe we do know more about isabel bennington it's that uh she ended up reincarnating into christine schieffer hey and having the same thoughts are still there giving me her shitty colon issues that you know she never mentioned that one historically so that that goes unreported unfortunately bummer but it'll be very reported for you when you go that's nice oh it'll be all i talk about it'll be all through the ouija board

what are you talking about i'm talking about when you're i don't know it'll be on my census records when they're like candy store or factory i'll be like broken stapled but yeah staples staples in but see that's another thing where i'd be like, I have to know more. See, I love to keep some intrigue alive, you know. So she goes looking through. She starts digging into the middle of her kitchen. She digs with a knife at first. Love her innovative thoughts here. Yeah, it is you. You fucking do everything with a knife at first love her innovative thoughts here yeah it is you you

fucking do everything with a knife too i do dig with a knife yeah okay well she digs with a knife and then she finds a bunch of staples that were once in someone's butt i'm just kidding stop it she digs in that she's digging with a knife because that's not ergonomically friendly to digging. She drops it by accident and it's so far down. Which, by the way, how big is this fucking hole? It drops so far down she can't grab the knife anymore. So it's at least like arm deep. Oh, well, I wonder if it went through like a floorboard.

Like it's like a divot. Or is it in the floor? Is this hole like in dirt? or is it in the floor is this is this hole like in in dirt or is it in a floor i'm getting the i honestly don't know but i was getting the vibe of dirt um and like the kitchen was on the first floor and there was just a big ass hole that got covered up with floorboards and nothing else so she's digging digging and then she drops it into the hole and she can't get it so then she takes a i don't know why she's got this but it's giving chaos energy she has a broken piece of plate and you know she took well if it were me i would take a plate and go yeah i have enough

plates and smash it and be like now i've got a lot of shovels now one man's plate is a woman's 16 shovels yep you know what i do think that's the most original statement there's ever been made thank you i think she just had a in a different way your trash pile i bet she had a bunch of broken plates left over for sure something else i'll do something with these one day and then she's like take that mom i am using that broken plate i saved yeah she took her husband it's like that trash pile was worth keeping i ended up using something in there i told you so uh she ends up grabbing a broken piece of plate to keep digging after she's dropped the knife and when she eventually she hits something and she gets to burnt, broken, wooden stakes. Oh boy.

And human bones. Oh my God. It's either a scalp, like a head, the top of a head. There might be some teeth in there. Those are the only two that we've documented. But maybe there's an arm. Maybe there's a butt. Maybe there's staples in it.

There's not a butt. I'm worried about what happened to the butt. Yeah, that's true. You know, I went to this museum recently, and it had two skeletons in it. And the guy tried to be so slick with it. And he was like, which one do you think is the male body, and which one do you think is the female body? And the female body was taller, so he thought he was really which one do you think is the male body and which one do you think is the female body and the female body was taller so he thought he was really gonna get me and i went and i guessed them right anyway not because i have any book smarts but because i got a lot of street smarts

and i was like this fucking guy thinks he's gonna trick me so i'm gonna pick whichever one he thinks oh that's hilarious so he foiled his own game by being a little too conceited yeah i was like i you were acting like a man who wants to prove me wrong so now i'm just gonna do the opposite of what you think i'm gonna say was he totally bummed when you got it right yeah he was like yeah that's right and i went well yeah don't be an asshole. It's that easy. Don't be an asshole. And also, I feel like that's a stupid thing. I should have looked at him and been like, am I a boy or a girl with my skin? Yeah, great question. Oh, you're wrong either way.

You're wrong. Ha ha. Secret third answer. That would have been a fun little trick question. That would have been real fun. He would have hated it. Anyway, and I was the only person on the tour. It was just him and me.

So he really hated it anyway um and i was the only person on the tour it was just him and me so he really hated it um so she finds broken wooden stakes and human bones she thought that maybe the land this is where like her logic is finally kicking in she's like oh this place was once a burial site obviously i don't want to disturb any bones even though i've just dug through them i don't want to like my fingers yeah yeah and like like a dirty plate and a knife you know yeah you just stir them around yeah i guess now let's be respectful that's fair that's that's that's nice of her i mean i guess the only thought is that this place must have once been a graveyard not a body has been buried here after this was a home. You know, it's funny that she thought, oh, someone must have buried a treasure in that hole. And then she finds a dead body and she's like, well, there's no way a person could have put this here.

It must be a graveyard. I'm like, wow, you really flip flopped on that. So at this point, my brain is this is where I divert from isabella and i'm like oh my god a serial killer has been in this room exactly yeah yeah well i wonder if true crime podcasts were popular in the 1600s oh she would where would her mind have gone this is where i like to think in butterfly effect terms where i'm like i don't know how beneficial true crime podcasting is these days I like to think it's brought some awareness to some people I like to think that yeah but in the 1600s or like whenever like Jack the Ripper was going on if all the like podcast girlies were

covering it I feel like we might have figured out who he was you know I feel like we would have gotten to the bottom of it for sure if we were writing in especially if they were actual girlies i feel like we're obviously better than the police in a lot of ways when it comes to our investigating skills yeah and i feel like unhinged pathways we take that um may or may not be legal but probably get some answers we would at the very least if there was one person one woman at the time who was like write in all your tips to me like gossip girl about jack the ripper we'll find him we just need to like we just need to unite and together i don't know maybe that's an ignorant thing to say i hope not but i like to think in the world of gossip girl where everything is perfect so i mean i know they had all those i

know that like it was very sensationalized and so i know they had all those. I know that like it was very sensationalized. And so I know they had all those like little penny dreadfuls where they would like write about Jack the Ripper. And they did sort of try. But you're right. They didn't have like the Internet. They didn't have the ability to find others via Internet. Yeah, it's harder to really band together through like a zine. Imagine when, first of all, time travel is already real. Because if it's real at any time, it's real.

That's exactly what I always say. So when we get to the point where time travel also is within our reach, if ever. travel also is within our reach right if ever uh imagine if like the swifties decided we're going to find jack the ripper we're gonna go kick his ass right like like the way that what happened remember when the bts uh fan base like took over twitter yeah that one uh really that like maga hashtag that and then like bts like took over just because and everyone was like whoa that was scary and also like really impressive but now we're a little bit afraid yeah could happen i'm just saying it's like it would at least there would be a department in the time travel crime section where it's like we got to get all these internet sleuths together it's time and go back in time all together and like do a sting operation get this guy

it's happening isabel are you listening or has it already happened it has already happened just not for us wow okay isabel finds bones she thinks obviously there's a logical reason to this and nothing far-fetched. But then, not too long after this, now that she's disturbed these bones, on August 23rd, 1662, at around 830 at night, Isabel is sitting at the hearth, which I almost did a whole deep dive on hearths. Hearth. Hearth. See?

I could have used that deep dive. She's sitting there, staying warm and cozy by the fire, and she sees a young blonde man, barefoot. What in the world? Dressed in green, which i think is an interesting color in my mind green wasn't even a fabric choice yet which i know that's so stupid um and he's not wearing a hat

i think they could like use plants to make things green but i don't know i've literally seen so i mean i've seen so many people even older than 1662 wearing green, but it's still, it takes an extra bump in my brain to realize that it's possible. You've seen people older than 1662 wearing green? What are you talking about? Like people from earlier than 1662. Where did you see them? Like in, no, I've seen pictures of people wearing like Victorian dresses and they're green. Victorian is like 1900

oh right 1660 hmm what have i seen earlier i'm just like fascinated by like the fact that you just told us that you time traveled by accident are you accidentally i almost blew my cover hang on you hang on almost you literally just outed yourself so actively. I feel like I've seen it, like, I don't know, in paintings and shit. I feel like I've seen archaic outfits and they happened to be green. And I'm like, well, if they're painting them, then... I mean, what about Spring-Heeled Jack? They must have seen it before. I feel like Spring-Heeled Jack wore green.

Or maybe I'm making that up. I don't know. I don't remember okay never mind wait i'm trying to help you out here man i know it's uh i feel like i how i not whatever it doesn't matter she's he's wearing green and he's barefoot okay right and he's barefoot. Right. And he's blonde. And he's young. And he's not wearing a hat. So this is where I almost deep dove into the hat etiquette of the 17th century. Yeah, I was going to say there's something about the fact that he's not wearing a hat that must have been relevant. It was literally documented by one of the people I talk about later. They mention it in their testimony.

And it's like the most shocking piece of the story to him. So he's not wearing a hat. Like he must something must be wrong. I mean, he's also not wearing shoes. That's like that's odd even today for a stranger. Well, this was a really poor area. So I'm wondering like were shoes optional, but hats weren't. If you got to buy one,, you gotta buy the hat.

Which, like, can't even understand that to this day. That's fucked up. But apparently having a hat is everything. I do remember in 1885, when Marty McFly, speaking of time travel, goes back and sees his family, they are shocked. 1885? Mm-hmm. I thought it was 1985 that was back to the future one christine oh okay in 1885 when he goes to the beginning of his town being built and he runs into like the first generation of his family coming to town they are fucking floored that he's not wearing a hat they're like you have to have a hat like

they won't even have a conversation with him until he has a fucking hat on okay so that explains it then this is and they were like poor irish potato farmers like they had a hat everyone has hats everyone had a hat i wonder if i would time travel right now wearing this boston red sox baseball cap if they'd be like that's not a hat. Put something else on. I feel like you'd be fine as long as you went with me who was not wearing a hat, and then you'd be in the clear and I'd be in trouble. Okay. Anyway, I thought about doing the etiquette. It was, believe it or not, incredibly dry text. So I went without. I'm sure we can find one of those brochures one day, like in an antique store where it's like hat etiquette and it has like diagrams of like how to wear a hat.

I love that. I love those. There's like the book where it's like how Victorian children would play. And the very first page is hoop and stick. I already know because I own that book. I bought it when I was like in Colonial Williamsburg. Because you wrote it when you went back in time. I know.

So he's not wearing a hat. He's barefoot. He's in green. He is just standing there. And when I say Isabel's sitting at the fireplace and she sees him, like he appears in her house. Right. Okay. No, she's no hat.

No, she's no hat. Isabella, Isabel, sorry, thought that he must be a vagabond. Like, I love that she's got a reason for everything. She's not, no panic, only calm. And she's like, oh, a grown ass man is in my house. Must just be like a vagabond looking for a warm place to sleep. He saw my fireplace. He got really jealous.

But before she can address him, he starts moving towards her in complete silence. So now she does. She's no longer Christine and she's now m schultz she just starts shouting like jesus and bible verses immediately as soon as he moves she's like hang on a tick that's not fucking right um god she starts commanding him to speak in the name of the father the son the holy spirit like you better fucking say something and he does he tells her that he is a spirit condemned to remain in this house for 21 years oh my uh so far he had been there for 14 years of the 21 okay which i like that Which I like that he's almost telling her, like, there is a deadline to this. Like, in seven years, I won't be in your way anymore. It's like two-thirds of the way through.

Yes, exactly. I'm like, that's what I would have said to him. I'd be like, you're over halfway there. Don't come near me now. This is just... Yeah, just stay where you... Stay under the floor. Go back.

Keep your head low. You know, like as low as it was a model in the floorboards yeah yeah so then he he says this he's like oh i'm a ghost and i'm dead and i've been here for 14 years i got another seven to go then he just wanders off into the parlor and she lets it happen i feel like back to me with my family census i'm like hang on we got more to talk about all of a sudden what do you mean you're just gonna walk away but he just leaves he's a tease and this is where i wonder what happened in the middle because so he leaves after he says that which does feel a little neggy of like yes i i want you to follow me and ask questions it feels attention-seeking

then he leaves and then he comes back into the room 15 minutes later. What was he doing for the first 15 minutes? Was he like snooping through her shit or something? I don't know. Was he like debating whether or not to go back in the room? It's like I'm sitting here waiting for her to come follow me so we can talk about this. He's like me and then he gets

too impatient. He's like, ugh, fine. I'll do it. So he comes back in to talk to her and he makes it clear that he is harmless he is kind he's nice and he promises to never do anything to her and also vague he just says you will never want for anything like because you're here or like are you predicting the future or right ew yeah it i mean my gut instinct was that he's saying i'm so nice and i'm so caring and i'll make sure you never want for anything like i'll take care of you which is so icky nobody asked for that it's like giving casper romance it's like okay but i didn't ask for this and also can you leave my house so he's like yeah i'm never gonna hurt you fucking body i'm never gonna hurt you you're chill i don't

mean to like cause any harm i don't mean to scare you i just wanted to let you know i'm here i got seven years to go depending on how long you last and by the way you'll never want for anything uh then he just glides away again probably waiting for her to say something but he goes away for the rest of the night the next night he reappears and she commands him to give her more information which good for you um okay and he says oh oh oh remember yesterday when you saw me around 8 30 that was on the anniversary of my death at 8 30 when i died 14 years ago exactly between 8 and 9 p.m which is exactly when she saw him and then this i just saved this little quote because it gives me shivers in a in a weird way he said uh he died between 8 and 9, 14 years before, and quote, I received my grave betwixt 12 and 1, and then he vanished.

Ooh, betwixt 12 and 1. I love the use of betwixt. Someone should have a little kitty cat, a little black kitty cat named Betwixt. I think that'd be lovely. I love that. I wonder if that is anyone's cat's name tag us i wonder if betwixt and twix candy bars have anything in common i thought that as well well so i guess he's saying i died around eight and nine i was buried by 12 and one

by 12 to one he appears again later at another time and she says you have to tell me your name at the very least, if I'm going to fucking live with you, you have to tell me who you are. And he says, my name is Robert Elliot. And when she says, who killed you, since you're saying you just died and immediately had a grave,

who killed you? He said, quote, I was knocked in the head in my bed by three women, Mary Burton, Alice Colson, the elder and ann harrison i like how alice colson somewhere is like rolling over in her grave like why am i still being called old she's like the other two ladies were born same year but i'm the one

who gets called out so mary burton alice colson and harrison and mary burton seems to be the one who gets called out. So Mary Burton, Alice Coulson, and Harrison. And Mary Burton seems to be the one he has like the biggest issue with. I think the other two might have just been like friends of Mary Burton's and helped. He was visiting from London. He tells the story to Isabel. He was visiting from London and he got in a fight with a local woman named Mary Burton, who allegedly refused to pay him back when he gave her a loan okay another source that i saw said something about he was either border

boarding under her or she was boarding with him and there was like a rent issue um but i i don't really know the details to it but it sounds like something which would also explain how she had access to him sleeping if they were staying in the same building. Right. And also buried him under her own floorboards. Which were also his floorboards. Yeah. So one of the versions or from what he has said, according to Robert Elliott, the ghost, Mary and two of her friends murdered and buried him in the floor to cover it up. And nobody ever found out and after killing him mary also stole money from his pockets and

pieces of jewelry that were both his mother's and his grandmother's and she swiped business paperwork which gave her access to a bunch of his other belongings from his previous home which she then sold for more money oh god she's like really conniving this mary she's yeah not someone you want to mess with no um so because isabel disturbed his bones that was the first time he had i guess his spirit was awoken in some way and because she was responsible for disturbing his bones she was the only one who could see or hear him. How convenient. Over the visits, because he didn't stop not showing up. He didn't stop showing up.

Which I would have been like, dude, I get it. 14 years, that's super great. But you got seven more and you didn't bother anyone for those other 14. I was going to say, why is she the poor sap who gets stuck with like this talker this yapper she can't yeah it's like if anything because i disturbed your bones and now you're kind of alive here why don't we just be roommates but like we don't have to talk like yeah like let's just give each other some space well anyway he keeps showing up and he appears in different ways to her sometimes so like one

time he showed up as a man one time he showed up as a 12 year old boy a lot of times he showed up in white instead of the green suit he was wearing oh not once do we get any information on the loss of his shoes or hat and by the fifth time he visits um he says he just shows up and like doesn't even have anything to say to her so it really is starting to feel like roommates that like they just don't even talk to each other he she just sees him and goes it just nod yeah they like pass each other for the microwave exactly yeah um another time he asked her to set fire to the place where she found the bones, a.k.a. her own fucking house. The floor?

Super. The floor made of nothing but wood. Yeah, great. Also, by the way, I'm... Hang on, maybe we'll get to it. Set fire to the place where she found the bones. And I don't think she did this part because i never saw it in the story later but it was a request of his and he said if it were to happen quote the steak would now be as warm at the root in my heart as my heart was when the steak was

stricken through it oh i feel like he's talking in rhymes i don't care for that also like I thought he was hitting the head what happened why is he getting stabbed in the heart now yeah maybe he was hitting the head and then they were like let's just do it for good measure I feel like that eldest one really had like oh wow he's dead let's do these other things I've wondered about a body and just like really just went for it she's like well I brought these steaks and like yeah we told you not to bring those steaks and she's like well i don't we have to use them now i brought them it's like girl you're overdoing it like we could get away with it if if he looks like he fell by himself if we stabbed nobody asked you to bring a steak it's like alice girl like you're a lot like we knew you would be down for murder I mean so uh let's see so at some point in his visits he tells Isabel that he oh that it was up to her

to bring his killers to justice on behalf of him which keep in mind he only died 14 years ago so they might still be alive oh yeah and also like we've learned that that mary is not someone you want to fuck with yeah which by the way if i were isabel i'd be like uh until mary's dead i'm not touching this but thank you forget it i just burped into the microphone oh i missed did you hear that no i sure didn't it absolutely happened sorry to everybody else so yeah if i were if i had to if i had to be told oh you're gonna go find justice on my killers now i'd be like well hang on a second i'm not involved in this i know i disturbed your bones i'm so sorry about that i'm so sorry i cannot express how sorry so i know that you have it in your head now that

i have to do something about this but but like I didn't request that. Also, where the hell is her husband? Like, why isn't she talking about this stuff? Why is it not his fucking problem? Uh-huh. So anyway, the husband never gets mentioned, which is bananas to me. The guy, Robert, right? He decides, well, you are are responsible i don't make the rules

and somehow convinces her and she is now like dead set to help him which like that couldn't have gone any better for him because he would have gotten a different answer out of me he must be a fucking charmer that barefoot bastard he's like he's i know i know I'll just tell her to go avenge my death. I'm fancy enough for a green suit, but a hat? Forget it. A hat? Come on. He started giving her details about his life to help prove his existence and eager to help, Isabel contacts the local magistrate's office and reports the murder and then tells them everything, including that there's a ghost manifesting in front of her.

However, can you believe it? The officials were skeptical. If I worked in that department, I'd be like, I'm taking my lunch break right now and going over to your house to see this. I was going to say, you and I would be like, finally, I like my job for a minute. Yeah. So Isabel tells the ghost that night, says, hey, Robert, I need more information because people still aren't believing what's going on.

And keep in mind, it was a difficult time for ghost stories because this was during the Reformation. And so a lot of people were moving away from Catholicism and thus like purgatory and trapped souls. And so like his story kind of went against what people were moving from. Right. Others still believe in it, though. It was like it was a weird gray space. So some people were into it. Some people weren't.

And Isabel knew someone would eventually listen if she had all the information. So she got more information from Robert, spread it through town. And she even demanded at churches of all types for ghosts to uh for the ghosts to be included in their prayers like start praying for robert homegirl had nothing to do i mean remember like on the census it would have just said housewife which like i'm like what the hell was my grandma up to she could have been up to something like this oh my god imagine the things she discovered in that candy store the ghostly apparitions that came through the floor. But what about, okay, quick question.

Didn't her senses say, did it say housewife or did it say like maid or something? We think it was maid servant from one source. It's like they're fucking busy. Like that's like hard labor basically. So she's around scrubbing floors and stuff. How does she have time to go on like a jaunt maybe it was like her her her like how we did the podcast because we needed like an outlet like a like a hobby after work maybe this is like her passion project you know it's got to be she sounds like her side hustle side hustle she uh she is taking it a little seriously for a side hustle though i mean she's

literally contacting authorities and churches and raising issues all over the the public space the community yeah because she's a boss babe you know what maybe that's the way i need to look at it even still people refuse to pay attention to her until robert himself gave isabel more information that could seriously stick and he said you know what not only do i have information about myself i have information about others and let's just say i know of a secret plot to kill the king oh that's not an escalation at all he really went for the throat there he said i know two men working for the king who work under him in the castle and they are going to kill him and he even gave isabel their full names and positions he like pulled his trump card

so fast i feel like he was like if no one's gonna listen to me they'll listen to this and then maybe they'll pay attention to me and then i'll get help so wow so he's so now she's in like i would argue a pretty dangerous fucking position they're like she has like names of people in the court that she's gonna accuse all of a sudden she's absolutely like an accomplice or something yeah it feels like she's gonna be in some hot water for this but or what's the what's the the the law when it's the conspiracy or something where it's like you're not totally involved but you know of something oh yeah oh yeah a conspirator i don't know something oh it's like where you i forget i know the word

she's now officially responsible in some way at least um which by the way let's talk again this man is a ghost and in 1660s we don't we don't know how accurate of a story this is it could be you know she's going through something and she has created a side character and right if that's the case she just made up an assassination plot like that see that's pretty alarming yeah yeah like seeing people hearing things that nobody else can and now the king will be killed that's fucking crazy too yeah yeah um so this was in like i said 1662 this was not a time when isabel by the way could have gotten access to the names of people in their positions who worked under the king oh okay i was gonna ask if that was just like public knowledge i don't think it was oh weird okay um but she did know it would be a father or the ghost. Robert knew it would be a father son duo with the last name Jenkins.

And fun fact, in like 2024 research, there is there was at the time a Robert and Philip Jenkins that work in the royal household at the time. So it's weird that she knew that when like she wouldn't have had access to that information unless maybe she knew a guy who knew a guy you know yeah like she'd heard about the name jenkins and was like oh you know uh-huh or like oh i've got a friend and his dad they both work at the castle we're not supposed to know about that and like she's right at the bar you know like i like to think living in hollywood sometimes i like to play the game of like how many degrees away am i from an avenger and shockingly i'm only like one degree away from a few of them which is so cool shocking it's not that shocking it's shocking to me but you've like actively manifested that and you live in burbank california you know that's true One of them is always like within 15 minutes of me.

But don't sell yourself short. Like I would have thought you're negative degrees by this point away. Well, no, I've yet to hang out one-on-one with an Avenger. But I like to think in 1662, this is what other people were doing of like, how many degrees am I away from someone who works for the royal family? From the jester. Yeah. Like how many? Just i away from someone who works for the royal jester yeah like how many just the jester only him what about like what if the like you made out with the jester in high school and you're like oh and now he's a jester so i guess that makes me one degree away i love that idea because it's like what does that make you if

your connection to the castle is you made out with the town idiot or whatever? Why is it like me, the one who's making my own story, who's like, I made out with the jester in high school. Like, I couldn't even just say, like, I made out with the prince. The chef. Why the jester? I don't know. The king himself. I guess that speaks to my own self-worth. That's what I guess that speaks to my own self self-worth.

And I stand by it because I feel like the jester is, you know, always the one who got to make fun of the king. You know, Kate Middleton, when it was like back in the early 2000s and she was dating Prince William. Yeah. You know that her friends were thinking like even if they don't get together, she gets to say that she made out with the future king. Like, right. Cool. I mean, it's still a cool story yeah also is the word we were looking for an accessory accessory like where you know about it but i just didn't want people to start tweeting and be like guys you never figured that out because i think i think that's what we were trying to say an accessory where you're aware of it but you didn't do anything yeah i think that's right

so she says there's this father-son duo with the last name jenkins they're going to kill the king they work for the royal family and there was in fact two people there at the time who worked you know so it's interesting that she did know that. It is. But we don't know how. It is possible that the ghost and or Isabel made this up to get authorities' attention because they weren't getting the attention yet, even though they were trying. So maybe they created this murder for them to investigate just to, like, kind of ruffle some feathers and get them talking. But maybe it was real. We don't know officials couldn't ignore

the fact that a potential assassination attempt on the king was being thrown around so uh through that isabel continued to advocate for the ghost being like and when you're done with that don't forget about this about my ghost friend about my ghost friend who wants justice for the murderers i don't i still feel like the ghost story is more interesting i do too and also i do too no offense to the king but also like what do they expect if this is just a plot or a ploy to get attention they're not going to care about robert's murder anymore if they're just focused on the king's murder like they're gonna be like who cares about this dead guy he's already dead like i feel like she kind of did the angle wrong like if she's like oh the king's gonna get murdered like they're

not gonna get any more fucking attention i 1000 agree of like she her strategy was not right she shot too far you know now that they're gonna be looking over there yeah you got to pick something that's kind of gradually nearby so that way they have a mutual interest keep the interest peaked it was soon clear that isabel was not going to give up until someone listened to her and locals finally um heard her out in an official forum i think they were like let's just shut this fucking woman up i'm so tired of it now we've got a whole assassination plan that we want to hear about you honestly maybe that was her that was her tactic of like let me just start pestering

like i just think the high stop the high authorities until everyone's annoyed and they just want to shut me up good for her her. So now this is a month later. This is September 1662. And Isabel, under oath before two justices, one who was also a knight, she told the whole story again and included the ghost name, Robert Elliot, the city he was from, his birthday, his parents' names names his sister's names where his sisters live today um all the information that robert had given her couldn't she go find his sisters or were they really far away so they were his sister's names were kate and jane and those sisters were still alive which is weird though like if she was just like mentally ill and coming up with this stuff. It's I mean, actual.

Yeah, it matched. She could have also been mentally ill and just picking like random people she'd heard about in town, you know. So right. True, true. But then they would have had to have a brother who died. Right. Yeah. Again, maybe she's just going to a really popular gossip bar and they're like i know a guy his name is a maid servant and she's scrubbing floors and everyone's ignoring her but she's

just getting all the hot goss from her from her boss you know this is just like this is total yes that's got it i i if that's not it i want that to be it so bad this is just like this is just a dark tale of like when you don't pay attention to the little people who are listening right they got all the intel yep they've got ears everywhere so the sisters were alive and isabel could even tell the justices where they lived and what church they go to these days and she was able to also say where robert's parents were born what his dad did for a living where his dad currently was and she was questioned on at least separate eight separate occasions and she continued to demand an investigation for robert i wonder if she even gave a shit about

robert or if she was just like please this is the only way i can get this ghost out of my house please exercise this house for me yeah i, I remember that there was a specific sentence you said earlier, which was eager to help. Yes. And I was like, was she eager to help or was she just eager to get this fucking guy away? Yeah. I think that's what I mean. Unless she really had nothing else going on and she needed a hobby. It sounds to me like she's just willing to do whatever it takes.

She just got this house. Right. Like, God, get him out of here and i mean it sounds like the start of a dramedy where like oh guess i'm now suddenly involved in this crime and laughs ensue hilarity hysterics hilarity ensues yep um the media finally begins to pick up the story one pamphlet reads from the time because you know i fucking love reading an old pamphlet and telling you how many words were in one run-on sentence of a header i can't wait you want to guess how many words were in the headline the headline oh uh eight 71 what sorry that was so loud 71 this is the the pamphlet uh reads a strange and wonderful discovery of a horrid and cruel murder committed 14 years since upon the person of robert elliott

of london at great driffield in the east riding of the county of York discovered in September last by the frequent apparitions of a spirit in several shapes and habits unto Isabel Binnington the wife of William Binnington the now inhabitants in the house where this most excreble murder was committed. Excrible? E-X-E-C-R-A-a-b-l-e excreble excarble i don't fucking know this murder was committed so execra execrable execrable i've never heard that word in my life i mean either anyway that it's the fact i feel like when we were younger and they were trying to teach us like how to write an essay. They I don't know about you, but I was taught to like do five paragraphs or five sentences.

If you're doing a short answer of the who, what, when, where, why and how. So maybe six who, what, when, where, why, how the five W's and how. I feel like they just answered all that in the headline. And now I don't need to read the fucking story. Like, what else are you going to tell me? I feel like they just answered all that in the headline and now I don't need to read the fucking story. Like, what else are you going to tell me? It's like nowadays when you say like, oh, I just looked at the headline. It doesn't it means you like don't know anything about it.

But now with this, it's like, oh, I looked at the headline. Oh, well, tell me everything. No wonder everyone was able to read the entire paper every day. They just like just it was just a bunch of sentences. It's like three stories. Yeah. Three headlines. Nowadays, the headline is to hook you for the rest of it but yeah this one i don't know what they were doing just word vomiting uh the printed stories began to get even more detailed i can't imagine anything more detailed when that headline is 71 years 71 words long but okay so the printed stories get even more detailed whether they were real stories from isabel herself whether they were stories confabulated by the ghost or maybe they were

just journalists who were embellishing for the readers we don't know but the stories got more specific i mean one story was just no offense but like we don't know if they were embellishing. I mean, read that fucking headline. Like the word, inexecrable, whatever the fuck. Like, Jesus Christ. They probably wrote, imagine the fucking article about, like they would have used like 95 words to describe like the green suit he was wearing. And it would have all just been made up so that they could write more words. Interesting.

They never mentioned his hat. So maybe it wasn't that grabby. Interesting. Maybe that was the meat of the story. And they're like, you won't know the real hot gossip until you start reading the article. This fucking guy. No hat. He got past the headline.

No hat. He came back to Earth. He got the juicy stuff passed the headline no hat he came back forgot his hat came back to earth yeah so i think it's probably a combination of em embellishing embellished journalists plus the ramblings of either a mentally unstable and or incredibly attention needy woman yeah who happens to know a lot of people in town but whatever and also like has bad things to say about most of them so yeah so one story actually went this is like oh doing is it embellished or was it told by the ghost one story for example is that mary burton robert's killer just before killing him told robert i could find in my heart to drink thy blood as freely as this cup of ale jesus so homegirl literally said i want to

fucking drink your blood because i care that little about you allegedly allegedly uh despite isabel's determination ultimately the investigation came up empty. I'm sorry, but were there not literal bones in her house? I feel like that should have at least brought an investigator in, but whatever. Public arguments against the story stated that they couldn't find records of all three women involved in the killing. They were only able to find records of one of the murderers. I it was mary um and she was now dead so they couldn't even be questioned and so you couldn't rightfully you know announce or state that this was a real so basically she did wait for mary to be dead before she just kind of went down yeah which like if if

homeboy stuck in the house if this ghost knows about a random assassination plot which we never even covered that how does he know that who is he talking to earlier when you said like now we know that there was a jenkins i'm like wait are you why are you saying it like we're never going to discuss this again and then it like never never came up if he knows that there's an assassination plot on the other side of, I don't know where Yorkshire is, somewhere in England. He knows a whole other storyline going on. He couldn't tell you if Mary was alive or not. Why did we go on this goose chase? I mean, I wish I knew, but I can't for the life of me understand what's happening. So they were only able basically the courts were like we can't

go any further they were only able to find records of mary but they don't know if that was actually you know they were never able to question her on top of that one of the justices publicly criticized the testimony which didn't help but people wonder if that's because the justice was you know which side of the reformation was he on maybe he didn't like want to believe in trapped souls we don't know if that was part of the reasoning or that the story was fucking ridiculous i don't know there was no official investigation later into robert's death or a trial the investigation that did happen was more of like a credibility trial about isabel before they went any further and if they if there were any more records about the um about robert or isabel's attempts to get him justice they're now lost to time

but we can end on a high note that according to robert he was only going to be around for seven more years so by 1670 he has passed and he is no longer with us. Wow. And that is the haunting of Isabel Bennington. That's so wild. Thank you. The fact that he was like, oh, well, I've got seven years left. I guess now's the time to go on this like crusade to avenge my death.

And it's like, you're-thirds of the way there just go but take another nap and you'll be in heaven or whatever it's like that's what you say to like grandpa take one more nap every time you come over every time i take a nap especially at your house there's something intoxicating about your house every time i take a nap i do think i i don't know if I'm going to heaven but I'm certainly not on earth I'm there's a there is a purgatory I can't escape from all the way your husk you're leaving your husk behind heading somewhere in the you know the dreams where it feels like g-force is holding you back in a roller coaster like to like pull yourself back into reality I those are the

naps I have when I'm at your house right i just never had that feeling what okay so you texted me the other day and you and i had both had really bad and weird dreams and you were like yeah i was trying to pull it was one of those where i was trying to pull myself back and i was like i've never had that that happens to me all the time but i i like so does that mean you're like lucid dreaming? Like, you know, you're dreaming? Does it mean that I'm dying and trying to come back to earth? I have no idea what that means, but it feels like you've never had one of those dreams

where you wake up and you're like, what year is it? Like, oh, I mean, yeah, but not like, I don't know what happened right before I woke up. Like, I don't. Oh, maybe I am lucid. I don't know what happened right before I woke up. Like I don't. Oh, maybe I am lucid. I don't know. I really. So are you in a dream and you're like, I got to get out of here? No, I'm like, it's like if Allison's like, it's like I'm in such a deep sleep, I can't wake up.

But like, I'm trying. Oh, you're like trying to pull your consciousness out. Yes. Oh, I see. I guess maybe I've done that like like allison's trying to wake me up and be like hey dinner's here or something but i'm so i'm so deep you're like fighting the abyss yes fighting the abyss is the exact way to put it i okay okay i often call whenever i'm asleep because i don't know where i'm going I'm I'm not here that's I'm not present we've determined that I usually call like dream world specifically but really the abyss of sleep I just

call it the beyond and so a lot of times I'm heading to the beyond yeah yeah when I tell Allison I'm going to bed I'm like oh I'm gonna go to the beyond for a little bit will I meet you there am I gonna see you where are we gonna like sometimes we'll plan in advance, which I guess is our own like special way of like trying to like like lucid dream. I mean, yeah, because it's really meant to just be like a sweet little like inside joke of like, oh, I'm going to go get ice cream in the beyond. Am I going to see you? And then all of a sudden you're like, which pillar are we meeting at? Yeah, it's like, is time a thing there or else I'm going to be waiting forever? Like, I'm late.

Are you late? Anyway, so yeah, no. Pulling myself back from the beyond, it feels like, I don't know what else to say. I know what you mean. Whatever you just said. I've done that. I feel like I thought you meant you were in a dream and you were like, shit, I got to get out of here. And you were trying to pinch yourself awake out of an active dream.

Oh, no, that's sleep paralysis. I have also i have also yeah that's like lucid dreaming or sleep paralysis but yes um wow okay fascinating uh thank you all right m so today i have for you i'm gonna call this the sharonor previously cold case. Oh! Okay. Yes. Okay. Okay.

So, we're going to cover Sharon Pryor today. This one fucking sucks. I don't know who that is. Well, it's just sad

and bad. Oh. Okay. Yay. Sharon Kim Pryor was bornbruary 1959 and grew up in the point saint charles neighborhood of montreal and do you know where quebec yay okay those who knew her described her as a bright young girl you know all the usual things that make it extra sad. She lit up a room. She had a zest for life.

She lived with her mother, Yvonne, her two younger sisters who are twins, and their names were Maureen and Doreen. Love that. And I also love it because Doreen is spelled like D-O-R-E-E-N and Maureen is spelled M-O-R-E-E-N. Oh, that's fun. It would have been extra horrible if it was Maureen spelled like Doreen and Doreen spelled like Maureen is spelled M-O-R-E-E-N. Oh, that's fun. It would have been extra horrible if it was Maureen spelled like Doreen and Doreen spelled like Maureen. Doreen.

Yeah, you're right. That would have been so much worse. What a cruel joke. That would have been worse. I gotta hand it to them. They picked the right option. If you ever had twins, did you ever have a twin set set of names which i know there's

like i some people also obviously opt to like hey they're their own individual people so maybe we give them individual names but in a fun little like we're writing up cartoons and the twins have to have names what we feel and lil yeah that one's i think done that one's been taken um you know not really i feel like i always thought about it in like real world terms but not in like twin name twin match names what were yours i always uh at the time i will say it again it was before they were popular and i got made fun of all the way through because everyone said they were ugly names and now everyone needs to shut their little mouths i always wanted i mean it i'm so upset because i

got bullied so hard for these names and now they're popular and i know i know we've discussed this because i i remember when you first told me you were like this is probably weird and i was like i think those are great names and then all of a sudden they like boomed in popularity yes and now i can't use them because then i just feel i just look like i'm like following the pack but and also because your kids are gonna kill you because every time you're going to be like, but I actually got bullied for liking that name when I was in middle school. I always wanted if I had two people who would want more mask names at the time, I was always like, oh, if I had twins, I think they'd be twin boys. I would go with Oliver and Owen because I like the O. Oh, we just talked about this.

The same letter theme. Those are both great names. Thank you. I think so. And now, I don't know, because I always am so flaky about whether or not I even want kids. Some days I'm like, oh, maybe in a few years. And then there's other times where I'm like absolutely not so I me too well oh that doesn't go away no I'm just kidding uh but I

I feel like baby names for me are like shifting a lot because I'm like oh if it's not that serious and like I'm not actually thinking about having kids and like what's the most ridiculous name i could come up with that actually sounds dope and i was i like recently fell into like space themed names for babies and i was like oh that's kind of fun anyway i've been going down a baby name trail recently not xenon although that could be one i don't know why that's not on the list but it's like nebula and cosmo and echo i was like they're a little too far-fetched but i appreciate the effort i think echo is kind of a dope name for like a non-binary person name i've i've met a few young cosmo i've seen cosmo see i don't i don't like the name cosmo but i love the sound of the

word cosmos so i don't i don't know where i a name, all of a sudden, it doesn't feel right. You could do Osmosis Jones. Oh, we're still scientific, aren't we, in that way? What's a name that you did not use for Leona that you will never use, that you can say and not risk using it later? Are there names where you're like, oh, well, that one's not going to get used anymore? Well, I always really liked the name Elliot, but now Leona's cousin is named Elliot.

That's also being really popular right now. Yeah. We have family with that name now. No, I don't know. There are a couple that are still up for play. I don't know if that's are a couple that are still up up for play i don't know if that's a sentence if that's a word but um you know if we have another so i'm like i don't know if there's any that are completely off the table yet i always loved the names

lucy and kimberly which is like so i guess early now, but like very, it sounds like babysitter's club. I was like Kimmy, but also I think Kimmy was from the pink power ranger and I always liked the name Lucy. I don't know why that always got me, but nobody I've ever dated, nobody I've ever dated has been in agreement with me and has liked those names. So there are names that I'm pretty sure are never going to get used if I even have kids, but there are names that I've always had at the top of my list. Well, if something really radical happens, I like the name. So. Okay. Leona and Lucy would be precious. Oh, wait, that's actually really cute. Leona, Lucy and Lemon, the perfect little trio. Shut the fuck up about that about that wait but i would love if you had a little lucy and then it would be leona and lucy i think that's very cute i know i think that'd

be and also like i feel like lucy i try to think of names now where i'm like if my kid is gender non-conforming in some way or want to transition i kind of want to still like be like sneaky and control and be like oh but if i pick a name that like is already gender neutral then like you don't have to change your name they can still change their name but like i like to feel like oh maybe i can play the game with you well i tried to do that with leona because i was like then if she feels like it's too feminine you could go by leo you know exactly if you feel like you need a change yeah with lucy i feel like the best you can do is just switch it over to like a lucas oh i thought you were about to tell me like that's why you like lucy and i was like my friend i i would argue that i know like lucifer oh actually you know he gets a bad rap so he does i wonder why it's so weird

you know if lucy decided hey i'm transitioning my name is now lucifer i'd be like that's fucking badass that's so cool imagine like fox news and when they get their fucking filthy paws on that story they'll be like an eight-year-old i mean that's how i feel about kids named damien i'm like oh that was yeah or lilith which is like one of the most beautiful names but like it's like your parents had to sit with that for a second yeah they they i think they knew they must have known i think they knew i don't know anyway wow okay we really derailed i'm sorry maureen and doreen not maureen and doreen these poor girls i'm like i'm not trying to laugh at the story obviously i just um i found the names so like silly so like um i don't know if small town but like so 60s like i don't know quirky well four of my best friends growing up

were identical quadruplets and they all had names that had no nothing to do with each other oh and which like i appreciate in knowing them because they they are their own individual people but for the novelty which is so gross i don't think of them as a novelty but for like how often do you get to meet quadruplets? And you're like, when the Ringling Brothers Circus picks them up, what are we going to put on the plaque? We got to change their name to something. If they're listening, I don't think of you like that at all. They know that.

I just, I feel like. We all know that. They know that. I promise they know that. We all know that. We're just teasing. In an opportunity where there's four people you know it's like their first thought is like maybe throw throw a fun theme on it but i

get i get why so but when you think that way do you mean like they should all start with the same letter or is it more like they should rhyme or is it more like they should all be like flowers like how do you oh i see i don't know. What's your twin. I don't know. Because my first thought I think because we all saw like cartoon twins that like everything rhymed. My first thought is rhyming which is maybe a little too ominous. I've always liked the idea of like doing like a color theme or like something kind of subtle where like it's not totally clumping them together oh i know you put you you know those um those paint paint chip sample thingies

from like sherwin-williams oh you fan it out and then you just go down the list oh my god it's not even pantones it's like uh thanks it's like cranberry sauce red or whatever the fuck all the colors are um like if so the duggars for example those that's 19 kids that were all born under a name theme and some of them have decided right just jay which i'm cool with that it's like that's different enough yeah it's fine but it's not even like that interesting i'm like yeah i'm also talking to someone without a single sibling let alone an identical one but um i just so i'm annoyed that they made the name ginger start with a j i think that's so irritating that's my there were so many other names they could have gone with but and

ginger's number six like it's not like they ran out of names they had a whole yeah exactly i i always was annoyed by that but like one of them decided that they're gonna do an alphabet theme one of them decided so it's like a b c d e uh one of them decided they were gonna do an m theme letter the letter m um so like so i feel like i would like owen and oliver oliver right yeah which i don't even know if I meant to do an O theme. I just liked both of those names separately. And I was like, oh, if I had twins, it'd be cool if I could name them both that. And then I get a name theme, incidentally.

The double O's. Yeah. Anyway. I'm sorry. I just keep interrupting you. Oh, no. I'm not stopping it from happening. So it's all good.

Okay. I would argue I'm probably complicit. Oh, So it's all good. Okay. I would argue I'm probably complicit. Oh, by the way, I meant to add, I think that I did not mean the word accessory earlier. This is a lot of back and forth on a word from forever ago. I know, but I just feel like people are going to be like, it's a true crime podcast. And I complicit the word complicit. Is that what you're saying? No.

But then later I said, oh, I think we were trying to come up with the word accessory and then i also realized i don't think that's correct either so eva please let me know whatever the word is that's when you know about a murder but you don't tell anybody when you have intel and now you're obligated to say something or else you are now part of the crime complicit no no no maybe i don't know okay sorry so she lived in quebec with her mother yvonne her two younger sisters maureen and doreenen, the twins of course, and her younger brothers Jojo and Steven. So the whole family was very close with Sharon. She was a very warm-hearted older sister. Being the eldest, she took very good care of her younger siblings. She was extremely compassionate and wanted to be a veterinarian when she grew up. Precious. So sweet and also something I wanted to be when she grew up. Precious. So sweet. And also something I wanted to be when I grew up.

She was recognized in elementary school for her academics. She worked, she was a, she was a STEM girly. She was really good at math and science. In fact, she actually enrolled in like accelerated biology programs to get a jumpstart on her vet school ambitions. So in high school, she was taking like advanced biology courses. And she was also very active in the community. She was part of the Point St. Charles Boys and Girls Club when she was six and spent most of her free time there. It was actually considered like her second home. And she was also very, very reliable.

Like I said, she's a a very very caring older sister um she would read to her little brothers every night and tell them stories uh she was very good around the house basically just the sweetest little angel that makes this story that much worse sounds like it so of course now we get to the tragic part which is that on the day before easter in march 1975 sharon spent the morning at home with her younger siblings while her mom went shopping for easter dinner groceries and the twin sisters maureen and doreen of course felt they were too old to search for Easter eggs that year remember that that year where you were like this is like kiddie stuff you know same thing with trick-or-treating yeah which makes me sad I never had I was shamed out of trick-or-treating I never had me too like

I'm think I'm too old I never felt too old for trick-or-treating me either I and one of the neighbors was like oh aren't you a little old and i went oh well i'm just gonna go fucking jump into the river then thank you right i felt the same way and people people were like you're a high schooler and i was like but i love halloween and also like i was this height if you've ever met me i am tall i was i was this height in fifth grade i so people saw me trick-or-treating they were like aren't you a little old? And I was like, no, I'm just a giant. Leave me alone. Like, what are you talking about? Give me my milk.

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Oh God. This is probably how I looked when I was like, give me my M&Ms. That's so sad. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Oh my God. so sad oh my god but also then but with easter i i will also i didn't really celebrate easter a lot so i think it was so because i had such a love for halloween it hurt when i was too old for that but with easter i was so removed from it that when by the time i like went to an easter egg hunt i think i looked around i was like i think maybe this is for younger kids you were like stomping around just a giant and his very fragile eggs just kind of walking around

i was just red uh with the red rovering them Just like knocking them down Why is that the funniest thing i've ever heard just to give me my tarantula legs just one step across the yard at a time it's traumatizing oh god i'm so sorry everyone i do want to remind i know everyone's like we know why because you took a weed gummy before you recorded um i didn't i know you didn't which is the only reason i'm like this must actually be very funny because m's also laughing oh god i don't want to say the sad parts well i'm having such a good job unfortunately oh man we really did pick a weird career it's like half the time I'm having so much fun and the other half the time I just feel so uncomfortable and sad. Right?

I'm like crying laughing and five minutes I'm going to be cry crying. There was one time we did a show. We did a live show where I got the giggles right before the horrible part of our show. Like, remember that? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was really awkward. I didn't know what to do.

I just had to make people watch me go through was really awkward i didn't know what to do i like i just had to make people watch me go go through the giggles until i was like i was like i can't laugh through the next part because we're about to say really awful things you and i just couldn't stop laughing pivot and and just i don't know 180 it there was another time on stage where um one of the worst things that could happen to you on stage, I choked on my own spit in front of a thousand people. It was bad. You couldn't speak for five straight minutes. Yeah, we pulled it off.

But in case you were wondering what a live show of ours is like, it's pretty not scripted, even though we claim it to be. We can't control our bodily functions, apparently. Or Ed can't, at least. I can't. Okay, I'm so sorry about this. Maureen and Doreen are the light of my life. And when I hear that they're too old for an Easter egg hunt, I was just really sad about it. Were they too tall or were they too old or too tall?

They were... Were they silent or silenced? about it so were they were they too tall or were they too old or too tall they were were they silent or silenced you know that's a great question um you know what uh tbd it's in the air it's up in the air okay so maureen and dorian they're like we're too old to search for easter egg hunt or for easter eggs this year but the younger brothers jojo and steven were still all about it they were very excited about an egg hunt so sharon decided she was going to dye and decorate a couple dozen eggs to hide for the boys so they could have a happy easter she boiled some eggs and her mom came home around 3 p.m while sharon was painting them for her younger brothers which is so sweet and she and her mother spent a little while in the kitchen talking about how

much they loved spring and the quote bubbly feeling it gave them to see the world come back to life with the warmer weather no and i know and that would be the last one of the last conversations she ever had with her mother. So at 430 p.m., the reverend from the family's church was visiting before dinner and Sharon was still painting eggs and asked her mom, oh, you know, I'm almost done with these eggs. But afterward, I would love to read the boys a book about the Easter bunny. Do we have any books around here about Easter? And the reverend who is visiting, he decides it's his turn to, I don't know, throw his hat in the ring. And he goes, I have a great idea, Sharon. Why don't you instead tell your little brothers instead of the easter bunny why don't you

tell them all about christ's resurrection oh my this is not your place she wants to read her brothers a book about the easter bunny and this guy's like i know why don't you tell them about god okay you know what shut up so the reverend, you should tell them about the resurrection story. My bet is that he's like, that's real magic. You don't need an Easter bunny, you know. So she says, okay, sure. I'll do that, reverend. I'll tell them all about Jesus and his bloody death on the cross.

So after he left, the family sat down to eat. It was Sharon, her siblings, her grandma, her mom, and her mom's friend, Doug. And they had a good dinner. After dinner, Sharon's childhood best friend showed up to hang out for a bit while Sharon got ready to meet up with some other friends in town. The two girls went to different high schools, so they had separate friend groups but they were still really close with each other and Sharon agonized over what to wear that night her friends were teasing her because she kept changing outfits and couldn't decide and finally she settled on taking one of her mom's blouses and she wore that out but it was drizzling it was raining a little bit um and so she considered wearing something different.

But she was only walking five blocks. So in the end, she thought, ah, no, this is fine. I'm just going to walk fast. No big deal. Five blocks. So she was going to Marina's Restaurant, which was a pizzeria and a popular spot for local teenagers to gather. And this is where Sharon spent a lot of her time with her friends from school. She was also planning on meeting her boyfriend there along with their friends.

So her friend offered to walk Sharon to the restaurant, but Sharon was like, no, it's fine. It's only five blocks. And I, you know, she went there all the time. So she said, no, thanks. It's fine. I'll walk myself. And just before 7 p.m., Sharon said one last goodbye to her mom, who said, goodbye, Sharon. Be careful. Which was the same thing Yvonne had always said to her daughter every time she left the house. And it had become a habit.

So Sharon and her friend parted ways on the sidewalk outside the house. And Sharon headed off to Marina's restaurant by herself at 7.15 p.m. So Sharon at this point is 16 years old, and she on Saturdays is allowed to stay out till pretty late. So she's usually out till 11 or 1 a.m. And her mom was fine with that as long as she knew where she was which i think yes is fair and yvonne her mother described sharon as a cautious girl so she wasn't worried about her when she was out late and said that sharon went out of her way to avoid trouble and conflict with her peers and she had never given her a reason to enforce a curfew basically because she either always came home on time or she always

called if she was going to be late sure so this night of course something is different uh sharon does not come home nor does she call her mom and of course it's immediately obvious that something is wrong uh in fact sharon's family soon learned that she never even made it to marina's restaurant shit she never even made it five blocks oh my god nope nope she had somehow vanished along the five minute walk between her house and the pizzeria five minutes five blocks that's so scary make it it even make it. It's terrifying. And this is from her house. Like it's somewhere she walks from her house at age 16.

You know, there are a lot of times I have the thought, even when I'm, when I lived in Boston really do get like a false sense of like, oh, everything's fine on these few streets because I see them all the time. And then I would have moments where I'm like walking down the street and I'm like, oh no, like something really bad could happen right now. Like it's, it's, it's just jarring. You lose like your, yeah, yeah. I totally agree. And I think even as the parent, like as Yvonne in the situation, I wouldn't probably think twice about letting my 16 year old who's like very mature and responsible walk five blocks, five minutes. Yeah. I mean, hell, I feel like I was wandering around much younger than that in much more chaotic directions than five blocks uh so yeah that's it's just a really scary thought how close how close to home it happened and it wasn't even that late it was

like 7 30 like yeah a busy saturday night okay so someone when they realized uh that we're not 100 sure but we assume it's her mother realized she was not home and called the police to report sharon missing and at this point authorities launched a search there was no sign of sharon on the route she was supposed to take two marinas and so police rallied volunteers and students from sharon's high school people came out in droves to look for sharon but unfortunately two days went by with no leads and papers began picking the story up one headline for example read girl 16 missing for two days this was kind of just a story that was catching on in neighboring towns as well. Yvonne told the media that she knew something was terribly wrong. But of course, you know,

now with the media attention, people are giving their hot takes and saying things like, oh, she must have run away. You know, because that's just what people assume about teenagers. you know, because that's just what people assume about teenagers. But Yvonne went on air and said, absolutely not. She would never have run away. She left her bus pass, first of all, and all her money behind. And also speaking to her friends, her friends had never heard Sharon say anything about running away.

And also she was just a genuinely very happy and well-adjusted girl and loved her family so it didn't make any sense right descriptions of sharon were published uh encouraging readers to report any sightings and yet another day passed with no sign of sharon then on the fourth day since she had disappeared a local local beekeeper was out in a field and made a tragic discovery when he noticed the fence gate was open and went in to investigate. Behind the fence, he found Sharon deceased. And when authorities arrived, the medical examiner estimated that she had been dead for about 20 hours. Oh, man. Yeah. medical examiner estimated that she had been dead for about 20 hours oh man yeah there's something about within a 24-hour time frame it's like it was so so close she could have it's horrible it's horrible because that also means she was alive for several days oh my god yeah she's been missing for four right so investigators theorized she must have been held somewhere for several days before she was killed and abandoned in the field

they found a branch clutched in her hand um and when they took a look at her body and at the environment they determined that she was still alive when she had been brought to the field oh my god yeah it's it's incredibly dark and i'm i'm just so sorry um there was some tape dangling from sharon's hair that she had chewed which was evidence that she had been probably gagged yeah it was also evident from a glance that she had chewed which was evidence that she had been probably gagged yeah it was also evident from a glance that she had been beaten really badly and an autopsy revealed that she had been raped before suffering multiple skull fractures her jaw and cheek were also fractured her nose was broken and i'm about to tell you how she ultimately passed away she died of asphyxiation

when the killer crushed her chest likely with his knee yeah oh my god and this was all in that field where he then just left her. So do we think he planned to kill her or was it a quote accident? No, no, he he intentionally killed her. Oh, my God. By crushing her, crushing her chest. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So when this kind of last blow occurred, her lungs hemorrhaged and filled with blood.

And that's how she ultimately officially passed away. So, of course, this is the most brutal, horrifying thing for anyone in town to imagine happening at all, let alone in their town so close to their homes. And they thought, who the hell in our community could be so heinous and could be capable of something like this? So of course, authorities, this is number one priority, but they didn't really have much to go on. When they looked around, they found a single tire track in the snow near sharon's body they found one footprint um there was no snow or mud on sharon's shoes which meant she had probably been carried uh and placed there so she could have been like asleep or drugged or something or just just held to probably just that she had been you know held and tortured for several days or yeah i imagine she was probably not yeah i don't know taking care of

her right yeah yeah in a place where she could hold her own yeah so there was also a trail of blood leading to sharon's body um which made it appear as though she had been beaten in the vehicle before being dropped in the field they also found her jeans on the ground a few feet away from her uh her underwear was hanging on a tree branch which feels just extra likeo, I don't know, leaving some sort of weird message. A men's shirt, probably used to restrain Sharon, was also dumped at the scene, and its size suggested that the suspect was roughly six feet tall and the single footprint belonged to a size eight and a half men's shoe. And the footprint itself was pretty deep, which was another detail that led investigators to believe that this was a larger person. There was a theory that there were two men involved in the killing, but people weren't entirely agreed on that. The padlock on

the gate had not been tampered with it was unclear whether the gate was simply left unlocked or maybe if the killer had keys to the gate which would have like narrowed down obviously a suspect pool and nobody in town not one single person came forward with information so they that was basically the entirety of clues or information they had to go on so investigators believed somebody had to know something as the saying goes because sharon had been abducted off a residential street like right down the street from her house yeah on saturday evening over easter weekend when all these people were home with their families and were out and about but not a single person came forward and so people

or police were very very i don't know just perplexed by this so they questioned 38 people but they got no closer to a single lead and And we don't really understand why, but Sharon's boyfriend was either never a suspect or he was ruled out really quickly. But there's no evidence that he was actually investigated for the murder. I wonder if for like Easter break he was like he was at his grandma's or something. Yeah, well, remember she was supposed to meet him that night. So I wonder if like he might have already been out with his friends. Maybe just enough people were like, I saw him at the pizza place already. Yeah, he couldn't have grabbed her.

Yeah, so I don't know. I feel like it would probably be easy to rule him out. It sounds like it must have been someone she knew. If no one witnessed a struggle or if they did see her with someone, it was someone she knew. So they never clocked it or something and that's the wildest part is they basically interviewed anyone they could think of who would know her would be in the area and they got nowhere closer to an answer very very perplexing so soon a troubling report came out about an attack that happened the same night sharon

disappeared perhaps just minutes earlier okay 23 what i said oh okay oh i thought you said hey and i was like no no no no i was like oh we're onto something. 23-year-old Cheryl Roy was walking to the pharmacy to pick up diapers for her infant daughter. When she passed a man she described as pretty normal looking, didn't ring any alarm bells or raise any red flags. And after they'd passed one another, she kind of was just going about her business. And she suddenly heard hurried footsteps getting louder and coming toward her and she turned just in time to see that same quote-unquote normal man barreling toward her oh shit he shoved her against the wall of a building and put a knife to her neck and cheryl realizing this man was not going to let her go, began to fight back.

She actually got her hand and neck both cut in the struggle, and at this point, out of her mind terrified, Cheryl told him to take her purse, but he told her, goose cam, he told her, I don't want your purse. I want you. I love you. Oh, no. So we've got a stalker situation, maybe? I guess so. I mean, she definitely didn't know who he was.

So he shoved Cheryl to the ground and dragged her by her hair toward an empty lot. He told her in what she described as a low calm voice and i say that because that makes this just that much creepier in a low calm voice he dragged her by her hair into an empty lot and said you're dead you're not getting away from me when i get through through with you i'll cut you to pieces oh my god what the fuck it's just horrifying so cheryl fought and fought the man at one point dropped his knife in the struggle and cheryl was able to kick it away and she screamed through the entire attack which lasted an excruciating six minutes she screamed bloody murder until a group of local boys rushed to the scene and cheryl recognized one of the boys and called out to him specifically and at this the attacker

jumped away from cheryl and ran off cutting through a lane that just so happened to be on sharon's walking route to the pizzeria oh my god okay and the time of that attack was 7 p.m yep and she parted ways with her friend at 7 15 it's horrifying i mean it's almost like talk about butterfly effect like the things that had to align for that intersection to happen just like that and imagine like the share share role imagine cheryl's like guilt like survivor's guilt of like because i survived another person got like right it's not her fault but it's. No, not at all. And it's hard because you want to be, like, of course, like, Cheryl kicked ass and, like, fought hard and whatever.

But that's not to say, you know, Sharon didn't. Well, I would have frozen. So. Right. And, like, who knows? Maybe. I mean, she may have fought for her life. But maybe she just wasn't as lucky.

Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. It's horrifying oh my god so that was basically obviously a humongous break in the case at least it was uh it would have been um oh what we'll get there okay christine well remember when i said it was a formerly cold case uh-huh yeah it hasn't gotten cold yet but we'll get there so it hasn't even gotten warm again no hasn't even gotten cold for the first time yet jesus oh my god okay okay so now they're thinking okay maybe sharon's killer went after her right after going for cheryl and failing that abduction so cheryl did say that her

attacker was about four inches taller than her which would be about six foot one so that would have matched uh around 29 years old and white with blue eyes and a mustache and he spoke english without a french accent which is notable because we are in montreal she also noted he did not smell like alcohol which i thought was interesting i don't know maybe it was her way of being like he wasn't it's not like he was drunk and he just oh out. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. After the attack, Cheryl actually lost her voice for two whole days. She couldn't speak because she had screamed so much. But days went by and then months with even though this huge break in the case or so they thought had happened. There was no news on Sharon's killer or Cheryl's attacker.

And the case went cold and then years passed decades passed and we arrive in 2004 so this is 29 years after the murder somebody calls in a tip to the police about a garage behind an apartment building in Sharon's neighborhood and although the details of the tip are vague, police reopened the case and were reportedly searching the garage for DNA or maybe any other evidence that Sharon had been held inside this garage. Oh shit. Okay. Why did, so wait, why did someone call in a tip? So someone basically just called in a tip and said like, regarding the Sharon Pryor case, you should look into that garage

weird that feels like there's context to that that I'm not getting very weird yes okay like in my mind it feels like someone just moved in happened to know that case and then was like here's my garage do you want to play around in there and see what you find it feels like there's got to be some play around in there i'm like like was there a note or something i don't know i don't know and i i wonder i wonder if they're just not releasing the information like maybe there is a more specific tip like maybe somebody called in and said like oh my grandpa used to live in that house and he just died and he was super creepy check out his garage i don't know yeah yeah like maybe canada

canadian laws they're just not releasing the specific tip i have no idea sure but that makes sense like maybe you heard something creepy happen there so maybe just like yeah maybe you just had you heard some story or who knows but yeah it said it was a very vague tip. And or at least we have very vague details about what the tip said. But apparently it was enough to get them to reopen the case and go and search the garage. So Yvonne, who was still alive, this was Sharon's mother, told reporters that she had waited 29 years for a break in the case and that she had never lost hope. She wanted to look her daughter's killer in the eyes and demand answers. But unfortunately, despite everyone's kind of excitement about this, the search of the garage yielded no new evidence. But the case stayed open now so now that they had opened it at least you know they could continue investigating it and they offered a ten thousand dollar reward for information so in 2012 yvonne told reporters i was 37 years old when this happened to my

daughter you can count I'm 74 now. I can't believe that I'm still waiting for this to be solved. Oh, that's awful. So twice her life. I was going to say that's like twice her life. Yeah. Horrifying. Police pursued over 100 suspects.

They were all dead ends. And it just seemed less and less likely that Yvonne would ever get the answers she so desperately needed but um do we know what solved this case what finally cracked it wide open staples in the butt what I don't know what what that would be a really good Mad Libs answer next time you play mad libs was it um i don't know did some there was did a witness finally come forward what genetic genealogy oh of course yes genetic gene sorry i'd like genetic genealogy. There we go.

Uh, yes, yes. Just like golden state killer advances in DNA. We're able to finally get a break going in this case. Investigators were able to use samples taken from the men's shirt that had been used to bind Sharon and some DNA also from her own clothes that she had been wearing.

And they were able to search through ancestry databases and they found potential matches in the Romine family of West Virginia. So police started digging through criminal records and eventually honed in on a man named Franklin Maywood Romine. And Franklin, who had been born in 1946, of course had a long history of violence and had escaped West Virginia penitentiary in 1967. He had then bounced back and forth between Canada and West Virginia to avoid capture by police. And in 1974, he broke into a house and

raped a woman in Parkersburg west virginia and he was arrested and imprisoned for that but was released on bond and he fled once again to canada where he lived for a while right near sharon prior okay so several months after sharon was killed franklin was arrested in canada and extradited to West Virginia, where he was sentenced to five to 10 years for the previous rape that he had been arrested for. He was released and then died in Canada in 1982 under vague circumstances. So we kind of don't know what the hell happened, but he died in 1982. His family buried him in Putnam County, West Virginia. And of course, his history made him a major person of interest.

And it turned out that his car matched the tire track that one single tire track found near Sharon's body. Wow. Okay. So solved? Almost. Almost. So his appearance at the time also matched Cheryl's description of her attacker. And Franklin's two brothers volunteered their own DNA samples.

And according to court documents, the results showed that it is, quote, 140 million times more likely to come from the brother of Noah and and michael romine than any other random person in the caucasian population holy shit okay so yes to answer your question fucking solved wow although they believed their brother was guilty both men had hoped their own dna was enough to confirm franklin's crime um he apparently franklin had once attempted to rape one of his brother's wives oh my god and after that happened understandably the family kind of cut ties with him uh-huh quite quite understandable but they did not want uh despite the this you know cutting him out of the family he was still buried right near their mother and so they did not want his body to be exhumed because doing so would probably

disturb her grave gotcha and so they were very uh adamant that they did not want his body to be exhumed but investigators kind of had that overridden and they promised to protect the other grave in the process and if they did damage it they promised to restore it completely i don't think that ever became an issue but okay fun fact what's nice of them to offer i guess i thought so too i was like that's that's fair point yeah Yeah. Advances in DNA science allowed specialists to retrieve a viable sample from Franklin's bones, which is just crazy. And it was a match. They had found Sharon's killer. So this was the news the Pryors had been waiting for for nearly 48 years.

Oh, my God. Such a long time. And Yvonne find... I was going to say, did her mom at least get to hear about this? Yes, she was alive. I'm so happy to tell you she was alive. Because back in 2004, she was so enthusiastic that like this could be the answer, you know, and then after that, it looked like nothing would ever happen.

So she did get the answers she had been waiting for. She finally knew who had killed her daughter nearly half a century earlier. And thankfully, the family had never given up hope. They had been running a blog and website in Sharon's name where they would post updates and write about her. A scholarship has since been founded in Sharon's memory, and one of Sharon's sisters addressed Sharon while speaking with interviewers, saying, You may never have come back to our house on Congregation Street that weekend, but you have never left our hearts and you never will.

We love you, Sharon. May you now truly rest in peace. Wow. And that's the no longer cold case of Sharon prior. I guess that's all you can ask for after literally 50 years. I know. I know. It's a,

it's, it gives hope though, you know, that these advances in technology might keep coming. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. Well, good storytelling christine bad story good storytelling same to you uh how are you feeling what's the update on your everything i mean i'm definitely

feeling um pretty chill now with the Delta 9 gummy. Okay. That actually really does work. My joints don't hurt anymore. Oh, you poor thing. It's like having a podcast with my grandma. You've always said that about me. Yeah.

Okay. Well, I'm glad you're feeling good. Are you up for an after hours oh absolutely let's go party yeah if you guys want to join us for our after hours chat which is usually well actually it's kind of chaotic but it's meant to be true crime paranormal updates sometimes it ends up being just general updates personal updates sometimes true crime themes sometimes paranormal themes sometimes just us hanging out sometimes we take a lot of times we take personality quizzes or we like guess each other's like we play like newlywed style games or we tell secrets we tell secrets that's true we

read m's kids club uh kids club rules by uh the admissions the manifesto is what i called it or we played your uh your jeopardy game last one one of those times too oh yeah yeah all right well anyway it's a good time continue on our bullshit yeah you are more than welcome to and um i guess come see us on tour we're halfway through our. So if you want a chance at seeing, uh, on the rocks before we have a whole new show, you've got about 10 shows left. Clocks ticking.

And that's why we drink.