And That's Why We Drink - E382 Birthday Bummers and Haunted Emo Cowboys

Episode Date: June 2, 2024

It's episode 382, it's our birthdays and we're enduring some dusty water! This week Em has a surprise birthday story for Christine in the ghosts of the O.K. Corral. Then Christine covers the tragic murders of queer couple Kylen Schulte and Crystal Turner. Happy birthdays to us! Always choose the bear... and that's why we drink!On our birthdays we think you should treat yourself to tickets to our newest live show and/or pre-order our new book! andthatswhywedrink.com/live bit.ly/hranextstop

Hi. Hi. Ask me why I drink. My name is... Oh. My name... Why do you drink? Because I thought I was able to put backgrounds on this as a backdrop for Riverside.

Uh huh. I'm realizing I can't do that. Why? What do you mean? I can't figure out how to put a picture behind me, but I... Oh, like how Microsoft does or like Zoom? Like Zoom backgrounds. Yeah, I can't do that. And I... Let's just say I did a thing. What?

Happy birthday. Is this our, ah! It's our birthday episode? Oh no. I'm such a bad friend, I forgot. I made a whole background. I stay up until six a.m. mastering it. That's insane. And I feel so loved. I stay up until six a.m. mastering it. That's insane.

And I feel so loved. I'm so pissed. I'm so pissed. I lost so much sleep because I thought this is gonna fucking crack Christina. Is there, do you have like an iPad, your phone you can hold up the picture so I can at least see it or?

Well, Eva, is there a way on your end I could send it to you as like the host and you could, is there? No, I'm the host, sorry. You're the host, fuck. Let's just try it with a basic one. You have to get past me. Okay, I'm gonna see if I can send it to you and see if.

It says I can upload a logo. Oh yeah, Eva said share your screen maybe. No, it's not the, I'm just gonna, we're gonna try. This is not the one that passed, but I wanna see, can you try to put that as a background for us? No, wait, what? No.

I know if like as the host, you were in control of backgrounds. Oh, no, no, I don't think so. I just don't think that's a feature on here. I'm sorry, but thank you for sending a picture of confetti to the group chat. That was the backup one. If the first one didn't't work and Kelsepree's neither of them work. Fuck! Okay, well, why would the first one not work and the second one did work?

Or like... Christine, just shh, just... I'm just wondering what was the other one? You'll find out if you shut the fuck up. I, you'll figure it out in a second, just hang on a second, I can't say anything yet. Just relax. It's okay. You're gonna be excited. Even if it's just a picture I sent. I can't see it.

I can't see it. Oh, Christine. Please. Leona just learned, please. And it's very annoying. Oh, guess who she learned that from? You. Oh, I was like bluey? I don't know. Oh, guess who she learned that from? You. Oh, I was like bluey, I don't know.

Oh, me. You say that all the time, especially when you want someone to get off the couch and do something for you because you don't want to get off the couch. Please, please. Oh man, I'm so bummed. Anyway, I wanted it to be special, but happy birthday, Christine.

I love my hat that you're wearing in honor of our face. I the reason I made us Record later is because I had to go to party city because I wanted to get a hat for you You know, I'm just laying around. I feel like I've just collected all mine over the years. They're just in a box No, I don't this throws them away every time. I don't I've never owned them if I Just never why I've never owned them if I Part party hats Maybe I like I think I try to decorate with things that can be like recycled and I know that I'll never wear a hat So it's there's no point cuz they'll You know kind of defeats the purpose

But what about all those like random shit you left in my house like that giant inflatable coffin That explains why you keep recycling things, because I just leave garbage in your house. Yeah, well. You were like, surprise! Anyway, see you later. Oh, but yeah. That stork was duct taped to my wall for a year.

Well, hey, you know what? You're welcome, because you're bringing it up during our birthday episode, which is exactly what a stork would want. Of all the episodes, he would want to be mentioned on this one, so you're welcome, because you're bringing it up during our birthday episode, which is exactly what a stork would want. Of all the episodes, he would want to be mentioned on this one. So you're welcome. Right, he did bring us to our parents' house.

Yeah, that's what they say. Happy birthday, Christine. What do you want for your birthday? Aw, I want a cool background on Em's video. Bummer, it was the only thing I'd wished for all year. Thank you, Em. Happy birthday to you as well. I guess in answer to your question,

I would love something yummy to drink, which is great news because I brought my strawberry Fanta with me today. That's nice. Don't you wanna wanna Fanta? Don't you wanna? Now what is your birthday wish, my friend? My birthday wish is to have a green screen background,

but what I can probably get instead that's much more realistic is a million dollars. So, um. What? Oh, wait, how? Yeah, yeah. Other than that, I would like, hmm. I don't know because we're.

I haven't had the strawberry one. It tastes like cough syrup, which you know I love. I mean, not to drink, but I love that gross sweet flavor. You know what I want that I haven't had? I really haven't had one in like a week and a half, a good nap. Yeah. Oh, no nap in a week and a half, what happened? I got busy, I don't know.

But I sure would like one. Gotta suck man, I'm so sorry about that. I know. To some birthday Z's, that's what I wanna catch. You know why I drink this week? Why? Because I have to take Leona to soccer practice today, help me.

Your eye literally twitched when you said it. That's how you know I'm in real trouble. It's actually the last one of the season, thank god. I signed her up for this. I'm happy she's doing it. I just didn't think I'd be responsible for attending. Isn't that fun? Yeah, no.

So what is it? OK, this is me coming to you as someone who obviously has no children. I only know being a parent at the kids' soccer games from television. So what I think it looks like is slices of oranges magically appear, you have to do zero work. They're always just there. Yeah, this is way young, this is two-year-olds.

They don't even speak barely, so this is like not any sort of real soccer match There's no like real it's like 30 minutes and you they just run around and like pretend the cones are dinosaurs and then we go home, so what is the The part to that if it's only 30 minutes because in my mind it only gets worse Leave my house is the first one. Drive anywhere is the second one. Be around other people is the third one. I could keep going. It's enough.

Those are the main, yeah. And it's like fine, but you know. At least it's- It's fine. It's fine. And most of the parents are fine and nice, but everyone's just kinda awkwardly like hovering until it's over and then we all just and nice and it's, but everyone's just kind of awkwardly like hovering until it's over and then we all just go home

and it's like, okay, this is fine. Well, she loves it. That's what matters. It will only get worse. So if it makes it, you feel better. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, what have I done? But I vow from now on to only sign her up for things

during our recording schedule so that I don't have to participate. How manipulative. But you know what? You have to do that in parenthood sometimes. I'm fully supportive. You have to look out for number one, baby. And honestly, I don't even, I mean,

is there such a thing as positive manipulation? Because Blaze loves leaving the house, and he loves routine. So you're kind of doing him a favor. He loves doing the work I don't wanna do. That's what I say all the time about him. You married the right guy. He's a good man, Christine.

He's a good one. Yeah, he does all the, I just babysit sometimes. You come up with all the good ideas and he activates them. What's the right word? I don't know. He endures is probably a better word. He endures them, yes. He does not endorse necessarily, but he does endure.

That's the word I was thinking. He executes them. Okay, well, I'm sorry you have to leave your house for 30 minutes. It sounds like a real birthday bummer, but. Thank you so much. It's gonna be hard. But you know what?

I think together I'll get through it. And by together, I mean me and Leona side by side. Well, is there any, oh, and you're drinking your Fanta. I'm drinking some leftover water. Yuck, it tastes dusty. I'm trying to- There is such a taste for leftover water. And I feel like it doesn't get discussed enough

that it tastes dusty. I think it gets discussed quite a lot in some very specific, no, in some very specific circles and then nowhere else because sometimes- Well, let me in, because I have things to say about dusty water. Sometimes I say it and everyone in the circle is like, disgusting. And then other people are like, what the fuck are you talking about?

What are you talking about? And I'm like, you clearly aren't paying enough attention to the world around you if you don't know what it is. It sounds like your tongue's broken if you can't feel this. Or it sounds like you hydrate enough and clean up your dishes enough that you and I won't get along. So. Well, also, you know how like water in a plastic bottle,

like after like a day, it tastes like plastic bottle. Yep. Like pass. Yeah, especially when it's in the car and then they're like, oh, and now you get cancer too. And I'm like, cool, it's just a double win. Just kidding, eight things I ate today are gonna be gummy candy.

I'm like, as I eat strawberry Fanta, I can't believe I used to drink water. I throw away. Oh, god. Yeah, I just am enduring some old water today. This doesn't feel like a good birthday tastewise currently. This is the saddest birthday. You're sitting there with that hat on.

It looks like all the lights are off in your room. You're just like in the dark. You know what? By the way, I also hate how dark my room has to be. Why is it so dark? Well, it always has to be dark because my glasses, the brighter it is, the less you can see my eyes. And obviously, these beauties are what everyone wants.

Well, the problem is then I'm reflected back. If the light is brighter, then it's just me in your glass. Yeah, that little white square is you. That's me, hi. Look, look, you're twinkling my eye. Oh, I look like a piece of dust that got in my eye, but yeah, I'll take it. All the dust is in my water, so.

So anyway, we're gonna move on to the next portion of our birthday tour. Uh-oh, where's Amethy? No. Oh. Did I's Emothy? No. Oh. Did I freeze? Hello? Yep, you're back, you're back. Yeah, after I said the dust in your eye, you went away for a while.

Oh, I said something woody back. I said, oh, the dust is all in my water, so there's nothing to worry about. Um. Ah. Whatever, it landed so good the second time. Okay, so. I thought it was funny.

Yeah. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha was funny. Well, I have really no updates or anything to say. I just wanted to celebrate our birthday and celebrate you, Miss Christine, my favorite little lady. And so by doing that, we're now gonna move to the second part of the now really diluted surprise since the backgrounds don't work.

So I'm gonna just send you a picture of what you could see. You ready? Oh, okay. I can't wait. Yeah, tell me, send me. Well, well the reason I didn't want to send you another picture even though you kept pressing me. I needed to have the surprise. You needed the surprise because this let me tell you, tell me when it comes through. What is an avif file? Can you click it? Does it open? Let me see. Oh my, oh my god. Is this a Wild West saloon? I got a story for you, Christine. What's this? What's this? What's this?

I want to move there. For your birthday. I want to live there. We got ourselves, hang on. Oh, I didn't even see you in the hat. Wow. Whoa. Is that a bandana? What's happening? Costume change.

Happy birthday. My cowboy. From the ghosts at the OK Corral. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! OK.

We got to put this fucking thing in the background. Jack, help. Help. Just know that I was supposed to be in the old Wild West as I tell this story. Well, you look the part if that's helpful. Thank you. This hat would also fit my head

if I didn't also have headphones on underneath. And guess what else? So it's a lot of imagination going on here. What? I bet you they had a lot of dusty water back then in the Wild West. Yeah, I'm doing it in spirit, obviously. Yeah, you're like really method acting

with that dusty old water. Thank you. Oh, and you look great. Look at that curly, curly hair under that cowboy hat. I know, I would have had all the ladies. Okay, so. Yeah, you would. All right, are you ready for an okay time at the okay corral, Christine?

I'm ready for an exuberant time at the okay corral. I wish I had some little fake guns to go and put them in my pistols, in my holsters. They didn't have those at Party City? No, I looked. For guns? Great. I couldn't ask either.

I was like, hey, do you have any fucking guns at Party City? I'm trying to go for a real rootin' tootin' time. What about water pistol though? Do like a little. Well, I don't have time to go back now. Okay, so this is where we're at. Here is the OK Corral and the ghosts of Boot Hill Cemetery.

Da da da, da da da da, no no. Wait, that's not western. Delighted. What's the western sound? What the fuck is that? That's fucking Transylvania. That's vampire. Okay, shop that.

You know, AI edit that into a western, oh spaghetti western sound. Okay, shop that. You know, AI, edit that into a Western, spaghetti Western sound. Okay, so. Number one, I said spaghetti Western, and you were like, what are you saying? Fettuccine. I do. What did you say? You said something very funny, like, oh, a lasagna? Okay, nevermind, that wasn't what you said.

What you said was actually. What ended? What you said, hey, am I frozen? I made a good joke. What did I say? I said, hey, am I frozen? I made a good joke. What did I say? I said something. Something stupid about pasta. That sounds right. I just knocked myself over. If there's one thing I know how to do, it is be stupid and sometimes funny, but not all. Discuss pasta also in tandem. I'm very good at that. Okay, let's get into this.

And you know, I want you to know, we're recording later or whenever we record next, I had a whole other set of notes that I planned on doing. Oh girl, what's happening to your face? Uh oh, what is happening to my face? Oh, see you're the- Oh! What's happening?

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. What if now is the rapture and I'm just leaving. Bye. How do I fix this? Oh no, it's just getting worse.

Oh my God. Bye. Hold on. Is it? For your birthday I called the UFO. I. Bye. Bye. Oh, hold on. Is it, is it? For your birthday I called the UFO. I had them, it's a one hour Uber service to get abducted. Oh, cool. They gotta fix their lighting though,

cause it's not a good one. They beamed you up in real time. Oh my gosh. Okay, is that better? I can't tell anymore. I can't tell what's like real anymore. Whatever you're doing, stop. My camera just decided it's gonna open up

and change the hue and the saturation. That was crazy. Also the fact that you would think, the Rapture is a package deal, dude. If you make it into the Rapture somehow, I will also be. That's true, there's no bar that I'm higher up than you. Yeah, we would be on the same level for sure.

If somehow you're in, it's because we both ankle bit our way in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We accidentally, we hitched a ride on somebody else. Probably Eva. We just grabbed one of her feet. Ah! Okay.

So, and by the way, I don't know much about the rapture, but UFO abductions sound similar to me. Yeah, very similar. If God is real, I don't know much about the rapture but UFO abduction sound similar to me Yeah, very similar if God is real I think she's an alien and heaven is the mothership her name is Zeen on and we worship her She's in control of everything that would actually make a lot of sense Yeah, yes that actually explains a lot.

It's because she bends over to pick up her frappuccino that fell in the car and she just leaned into the lever. And she leaned into the wrong lever. It happens to the best of us, girl. Don't worry, Xenon. Okay, I'll try to get to this now because I'm sure everyone's boyfriends who's forced listening to this in the car

is like, get to the fucking point. So here we go. Please stop explaining, try it to their partner. Like stop trying to explain to me who Xenon is. I don't, I didn't ask and I don't want to know. I'm just listening to this. You're losing out. I'm just listening to this.

So after this episode, I could pitch something you also hate. Yeah. It's fine. Love that. Love that. Here we go. I'd love to be recorded before Joe, be played before Joe Rogan. That makes me very happy. I'm the pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre- Pre-pre- Pre-Pre- Pre-Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre- Pre All right No, that's still Transylvania. Okay We're in the 1880s

Beautiful and we're in very appropriately named Tombstone, Arizona Why do I think of Zach Bagans when I hear tombstone because he has been to tombstone, Arizona Okay, we must have watched he does not he does not make a guest feature in this because some of the locations It was it was not worth it. It was not worth it But had I covered a few more locations this would have made sense I think I remember him wearing the cowboy outfit that my it must have stuck in my subconscious. Unfortunately, that's the one Cowboys act was has been to Tombstone, Arizona hit a little note in my brain, unfortunately. I have to admit that.

Spring of the year. Okay, so. Roses, roses. So yes, the gunfight at the OK Corral is, fun fact, the most famous fight in film history. Oh. And the way it has that record is because it is the most filmed event in terms of gunfights.

It has been featured in nearly 50 movies. And the two most famous are Gunfight at the OK Corral in 1957 and Tombstone in 1993. Another fun fact, do you know what the OK of the OK Corral stands for? Oklahoma? I have no idea. OK, I always thought the OK corral was in Oklahoma.

We do. Because of OK. As you heard Arizona, did you go, uh-oh? Yeah. I went, you're like, we're going to. And I was like, say it with me. Never mind. I'm not going to speak.

I should have played one up on you. You should have guessed. And said, say it with me, nevermind, not gonna speak. I should have played one up on you. You should have guessed. So say it with me and set Oklahoma with you just to make you feel good and then rip it out from you. That's so mean. Okay stands for old Kindersley. Oh, I never would have known that, nope. The old Kindersley Corral.

And another fun fact, the gunfight itself did not actually happen at the okay corral, but near the corral and I fun fact the gunfight itself did not actually happen at the okay corral but near the corral and I guess because it was like the nearest monument that's how it got it's title. And it's catchy. It is catchy across across the all generations you hear the okay corral you go oh something not so okay happened there. Yeah yeah it really has like a beautiful paradox in the name. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I did not, and by the way, if you're like a Western fan and you know you're like a big fan of these characters, I'm telling you now, this is like not the episode to get like super jazzed for because I could have deep dove into all of these people and it would have There's a lot of information on like why it erp like that was gonna take too fucking long This is not a why it erp podcast quite yet. I've been fighting for it for years But one day one day i'll wear m down but not I just there was a lot of uh famous names here and like I It's like if you wanted me to like if I was talking about Frank Sinatra and I had a deep dive on Frank Sinatra It would have become a Frank Sinatra episode. So it's we're not doing that

But just to give you the names We here's the good side and then I'll give you the bad side because I never knew who was right and wrong in this Oh the good like the good guys and the bad guys. Yeah. Yeah So the good guys are Doc Holliday, which is a name I have definitely heard of throughout the years And then three of the five irp brothers. I always thought Wyatt Earp was it? I didn't know he even had siblings I assume cowboys just run away at five years old and become like vigilante cowboys and like have nobody I mean, I think that is a lot of the time actually how it does work or did work but

I mean, I know that is a lot of the time actually how it does work or did work but Well, the fact that he's got a bunch of siblings and they're all cow or they're all from the Wild West is crazy. So So Doc Holliday and then three of the five or brothers. I will say fun fact the names of all five brothers are Wyatt Morgan Virgil James and Warren James and Warren are not part of picture. We don't ever have to remember those names ever again. Goodbye. So it's Doc Holliday and then Wyatt Morgan and Virgil Earp. Virgil Earp is a terrible name. I'm sorry.

Like Virgil Earp just sounds like a bad beverage that got shelved for one minute and then was like, nevermind. It sounds like Dr. Pepper's actual name and then they were like, you need a stage name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's your birthday, you need a better one. Virgil Erp is not gonna work. Yeah, it sounds like your tummy

after you have too much like red sauce. Virgil Erp, yes it does. I have IBS, that's what it sounds like. That's what IBS sounds, that's the sound of IBS, I think, Virgil Erp. Yeah, Virgil Erp is just the onomatopoeia of like bubblegut. So yeah, sorry Virgil, but it was just never cut out for you, you know? I feel like he would introduce himself to the ladies and they'd be like, what did you

say your name was? There's no way. Was that a joke? Did like you come over here on a bet? Hey, Betty, come here. This guy, you got to hear him. He said his name is Virgil Earp. Thank God he had other brothers because you know he probably use their names instead sometimes.

He's like, my name's James. Yeah. It's like, no, I'm the real James. Wyatt, I can take that one. Well, Virgil Earp is actually the most, I think, if you were like a cowboy aficionado, please don't attack me. I'm coming from a very 101 standpoint of this. But at least in this story, Virgil Earp holds the most power. And it's interesting that Wyatt Earp is so famously known with this story because his brother Virgil is arguably the main character.

It's the name. It's gotta be. Even Virgil was like, I don't know Wyatt, just take the reins. I can't stand my hearing my own fucking name. It's gotta be. Even Virgil was like, I don't know why, just take the reins. I can't say I'm not hearing my fucking name. Just give it to Wyatt. So, okay, the Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday. Good side.

Bad side are the Cochise County Cowboys. Also known as the Cowboys. And apparently they're the Cowboys that made the word cowboy offensive to real cowboys. Oh. So apparently you could, after this, insult cowboys by calling them cowboys and they'd take offense

because of the Cochise County Cowboys. Oh, they're like, we're not one of those guys. Yeah, it's like, whoa, they put a bad rep on our whole name, our whole thing. I see, I see, okay. So of the Cochise County Cowboys, there's a few of them, but the ones we care about are the McLaury brothers, the Clanton brothers, and Billy Claiborne. There's five people in total, two McLaury brothers, two Clanton brothers, and Billy

Claiborne. So if that's too many names for you, just remember if they're not in Earp or Doc Holliday, they're bad. So that's the only way I could go through it. I was like, this is like learning the Duggars all at once, I can't do it. So.

That requires like special dedicated interests that spans years, you know, to learn all that and memorize it. Someone who's like actually lives in the wild wasn't studying this, it's like, oh my God, this is the fucking easiest thing you could possibly know. These people.

So before this day, tensions were already really rough between the Irk brothers and the cowboys, especially the Clantons. Out of all of those, out of that whole chunk of people, the Clanton brothers hated them especially. And this is because, well I guess cowboys and lawmen as they say they obviously didn't like each other for a few reasons cowboys most cowboys were good but the cowboys that were bad are who the lawmen

were after and so it just became this like association who the lawmen were after. And so it just became this like association that the lawmen hate the cowboys and the cowboys hate the lawmen. Right, right, right. On top of that, one of the reasons that there was originally a wedge is because many ranchers and cowboys at the time originally fought for the Confederacy,

whereas the businessmen and lawmen had fought for the union. So immediately they politically don't agree with each other. On top of that, on top of both having fought in the Confederacy, ranchers and cowboys, they worked so closely together both in war, but also because they trusted each other after the war, they would conspire with each other and often in nefarious ways.

So for Tombstone specifically, a lot of the people who immigrated in, I guess there was silver mines over there and a lot of people started coming in and it happened to be a bunch of groups of people where they all relied heavily on meat in their diets, which I feel like isn't that surprising, but it worked out very well because they moved to an

area where cattle was high demand. And now as more people are coming in and more meat is being put into people's diets, there's an even higher demand for cattle, but ranchers are trying to save money wherever they can. So they started conspiring with outlaw cowboys to steal cattle from other places to bring it in. So they would basically have more cattle under the table. That's shady. They also, because they were so close to Mexico, they would also hire cowboys to smuggle in cattle from across the border.

Vaqueros. Yep. Sorry, that was, Vaqueros, I think that was the word that I learned when I did a Billy the kid It's it's the the word that was often used for Mexican Cowboys Oh If you already taught me that I'm glad I got to learn it twice

I did but like it's one of those things that I would never expect to remember I just remember because I did the notes and was so like invested in it. But yeah, but it. But yeah, they did a lot of early work before cowboy, the word cowboy really came into play. Well, so these ranchers and these cowboys ended up kind of being in an alliance with each other to evade the lawmen who would arrest them for their illegal matters. So basically the ranchers and cowboys were already tight for both being Confederates

versus the lawmen who were union. But plus their new darker alliances, it just forced an even bigger wedge between them and trusting the lawmen, which meant that the lawmen would stereotype cowboys and not trust them. them and trusting the lawmen, which meant that the lawmen would stereotype cowboys and not trust them. So now that's like the, and I'm sure there are more elements. Please don't talk to me. But that's, that's the ones I found as of like two or three days ago.

On top of all that, the Cochise County cowboys in particular had a hatred for the Earps because at some point they got into a fight with the Earp brothers that ended with, I just wanna keep all the names straight, the two sets of brothers that I'm talking about and the Cowboys, the McLaurys and the Clantons, they were in an alliance, smuggling goods in, and Mexican forces were like, stop stealing our shit, and I guess at some point the Irk brothers got involved

and they made an alliance with the Mexican forces to battle or get rid of the, to help them, yeah. And so they were like, we already don't like the Clanton's and the McLaury's, we'll help you out. I see. Somehow in this kerfuffle, it happened that one of the Clanton's fathers was killed by an Earp.

And so now they really hate the Earp's because their dad was killed by them. So ever since then, the Cochise County Cowboys were regularly threatening the Earps. Like saying like if you ever see you- May I ask how do you spell that? Like coach, Cochise? C-O-C-H-I-S-E.

I-S Cochise. Oh, okay. I thought you were saying like cheese. Can you imagine? I was getting ready. Yeah, cause that's what I was getting ready, yeah, cause that's what I was thinking about. The cheesy cowboys, that'd be amazing.

20 minutes, okay, gotcha, code cheese, code cheese. And so, yeah, the cowboys now officially really, really hate the Earps, they are ready to kill on sight. And Tombstone, around this time, this was 1881, Tombstone passed an ordinance banning weapons from town, like from all town. They said this is a weapon-free zone.

If you wanna come into our town, you have to check your weapons at the door by the, there's like stables by the entrance to our town. By the swinging door to the ceiling. Yeah. You have to leave them at- Oh my God, your thumbs up just showed up. Not again.

Not again. I wish there was- oh, someone said I have to try the- this guy. Oh wait. Someone's fucking with you. Someone said I have to do- this is I love you, but someone said I have to do the rock and roll thing. Maybe I need to clear it out, hang on.

Rock and roll, brother. Maybe I did the rock and roll thing. Maybe I need to clear it out. Hang on. Maybe it's too distracted by your hat. Maybe. What do we figure out what it is? Like, is it Riverside or is it your computer? It's it's apparently an an Apple update. Oh, well, I guess I better update my computer because nothing happens when I do it. Rock and roll, baby.

Yeah, like, I don't know why it's not working out. Someone said to do that. Someone else said peace, but didn't we do peace last time? We did peace, yeah. It was balloons. Oh, happy birthday. Oh, wait, oh, I can't do it.

Sorry, I do it in spirit. If you want to know how I feel about you, it's lots of these hearts, lots of balloons. Oh, you mean this? Yeah. Stop showing off. They go through your hands. It's so cool.

I think Eva. And not this? I think Eva was gone when we did this, wasn't she? So she missed. She's like, what the fuck is going on? It became an entire segment. It was crazy. It was crazy.

It was Nanners, as the Cowboys said back in the day. This kerfuffle was Nanner, as they always said. So, okay, so now Tombstone says, if you wanna come to our town, there's stables nearby, or is it livery, livery, livery? Livery, livery. Really? Oh, I would've been saying that wrong the whole time.

You gotta leave your weapons there, you can get them when you leave, but this is a weapon-free zone, don't bring your shit in this place. And like how bad must the wild, the west have been that the town had to be like, please don't hurt anybody when you're here. Just like, please.

And it's like, even if you think you're not gonna hurt somebody, you probably will. So please don't bring your gun. It's like, you can't trust yourself anymore in this town. Exactly. So to make sure people were honoring this new rule, the Earps, because I forgot to mention this earlier, but remember I said Virgil Earp is

like the most powerful of the Earp brothers in this story. He's the town marshal, and he's the deputy US marshal. Oh, shit. Oh, OK. So he's like, he's making the rules, and he was patrolling the grounds now to make sure that everyone in fact did not have weapons on them when they were in Tombstone, Arizona.

So if he finds people with them, he confiscates them and these pissed off cowboys heard about this ordinance of like, don't bring your weapons in and they did not like being challenged like that. So they roll up obviously without dropping their weapons off at the entrance. And the Earps see that two of these cowboys, one of the Clanton brothers and then the guy Billy Claiborne,

they they see that these guys have their guns and they end up getting them. So now these two of the cowboys are unarmed. But they hear through town that the other cowboys in their group are like just waiting to be told to give up their guns so they can lift them and essentially bang bang. And so and it's also been caught through town, I guess people are through the game of telephone saying like, I saw the cowboys over here. They're deaf. They definitely have weapons on them.

I saw this one, like putting a bunch of bullets into, into, into their guns. Like I heard this one threatening that they were going to shoot Virgil the second they see him. So people are running and telling the sheriff about this. Some of them even find Virgil himself and say like, don't go near him. The sheriff even finds Virgil and says,

do not go near them. I think he was quoted saying, don't go down there, they will murder you. Virgil apparently tells the sheriff, this is a quote, those men have made their threats and I will not arrest them, I will kill them on sight.

He said, hold my hoops, I'm gonna them on sight. He said, he said, hold my hoops. I'm gonna fuck them up. And so. I was like, hold my gun. Wait, don't hold my gun, I need that. Yeah. I was like, I know we said no guns, but actually I need my gun.

So I'm gonna carry that in the tombstone. That's different. It's different. So the Earps, at least Virgil and Wyatt, just the two of them at first, they are like, okay, we're gonna go find these people because if their plan is to shoot us, we almost have to go find them so we can shoot them first.

And so they were like, but just in case let's bring some backup. So they ask their brother Morgan to come with them. Morgan sounds like a rough and tumble kind of guy. He's like, let me get my shoes on, I'm coming. I'm already ready to go. Yeah, and also what does that say about James and Warren? Like, what were they up to?

They're pretty smart. They're like, fuck this, I'm doing my homework. Yeah, I wonder, like, could you, you couldn't call them. So like, was Morgan just the unlucky brother who was walking by and they were like, you have to help us shoot somebody. Yeah, and then the other one was just like, in the outhouse by, you know.

He overheard and just stayed a little longer. He had a case of Virgil-erp and he had to be in the outhouse for longer than usual. So they were like, oh bummer, he's Virgil-erp. Um, so, uh, yeah, so they say Morgan you gotta help us and he says, okay, bro code, I'm on my way. And I'm bringing my friend Doc Holliday. By the way, like, don't even worry about it. I'm bringing my friend Doc because. By the way, like don't even worry about it. I'm bringing my friend Doc because he's like a badass and he's gonna get the job done. But maybe seer clear because he does have tuberculosis and it's active at the moment.

Are you serious? Which like talk about a fucking homie. This guy had tuberculosis and got out of his bed to go fucking kill somebody. He's like, hold my bloody handkerchief. I got places to be. I guess he was like, I don't have much time left. I might as well have one last hurrah.

Yeah, I guess so. And I saw one source say that Doc Holiday only came because he wanted to be in the dry desert, or like the dry air, because it would help with his tuberculosis. Right. But I can't, one, dusty desert can't be good for your lungs, and two, it's not like he had three days to travel

to Arizona to do this. Like this was the day of. Yeah, it seems like he was already there. I think he was already there. Maybe he was already there for the dry air and he was like, when in Rome, I might as well shoot him up. This is what they do here. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm with the culture now. Maybe, I don't know. He's Doc Holliday, he has done this before. But yeah, he has active tuberculosis, which like also I as a brother would almost be like, I actually don't really need him that badly. Yeah, I'm okay. Maybe he can stand really far away. If I was going to go get into like a street fight and someone said, Oh, my friend's coming, but he has COVID. I'd be like, actually he doesn't have to come.

You know? I love that you were like planning your street fight. You're like, it's not that kind of street fight actually. We don't want to spread germs. We're actually being really conscientious. If you had to get into a street fight right now, like you get to call any of your friends. Obviously Renee is invited.

She's obviously coming. She's probably caused it to be honest. I was gonna say, she's the one I'm fighting, I think. If you get to be in a street fight, like you auditioned for it. Look at you and your bandana saying get to be in a street fight with jazz bands. If you, okay, you have to be in a street fight.

You pick three people you know. Who are you have to be in a street fight you pick three people you know Who's who are you asking to help you out? Who are your what? Who are your three art brothers to help you out blaze jiu-jitsu? Mm-hmm Renee Aries scary Aries Renee period Who's the third? Who's the third? I don't know, who would you call? I don't know, it would not be you.

And for me, I hope that no, happily. I'm James with the bubble guts in the outhouse waiting to like not be picked. I'm gonna invite everybody to this street fight and then get Virgil Earp and hide away while they handle it. That's my method. I would pick Deirdre. Sure, sure, sure.

I think I would call Renee. I was gonna say I might call Deirdre. Maybe we just have our own little team. Just because he's the most backwards motherfucker I've ever met, probably my actual dad. Wow, that's a twist. If we're getting the job done, you know. Then you could bring Linda,

and there would be a street fight within a street fight. Oh yeah, no, we don't need like an actual shootout to happen. Yeah, that would be way too violent. No, I think I would call my dad and be like, hey, it's been 30 years since I asked for a favor But um, I'm gonna need you to knock the lights out of someone and I think he'd do it So I think he'd do it. I think if anyone asked him to he'd do it. Yeah Yeah, he's ready. Um, I think those would be my three. He's the Morgan. He's the Morgan erp of the situation

He absolutely he's like, let me get my shoes on. I've been waiting. I'm ready, yeah. I've had some pent up stuff these days. I'm ready to just take it out on someone. Just like, let me swing. I do think I would, you would be my first call afterwards though to gossip about it.

Oh, I was gonna say, I would call you to make sure you were like monitoring the situation and like taking note for later storytelling and you know, all that. Yeah, I think I would have to- I need your documentary in prowess. You would be my Morgan Earp as in, I'm gonna need you to dim the lights,

heat up the popcorn, get me a cozy blanket, I'm coming over and we are gonna wreck the- We're gonna- The way this conversation's about to take every twist and turn there's ever been. For sure. I've got everybody who is involved in the Street Fight. I've got their LinkedIn pages already up for analysis.

You've got the red string and the bulletin board. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just, I'm like, a box of wine on my lap. Let's do it. Halfway through, we'll actually through Instagram find one of their sisters and think, oh my god, she's so cute. She'd be so fun to hang out with and then we like accidentally make a friend and then we'd be like oh wow this is such a conflict of interest Haha, this is a good sitcom

Yeah, that's exactly how it would go. Yeah, so anyway. They're all about to square up Doc Holliday with his big fat cough and The Earp brothers are coming down They're all looking for these cowboys now because they know that these cowboys are looking for them. They find out that the cowboys are heading towards the OK Corral. And they catch up to them there in an alley west of the Corral, fun fact. And even the cowboys that they've already unarmed,

remember they took some of their guns away? Even they show up, I wonder if it was like to warn the others of like, oh, they got my guns. Like we're now only three out of five. Yeah. But they caught up with them. So now it's five against five. It's the Cowboys versus, oh no, four against five.

Cause it's the three Earp brothers in Doc Holliday versus the Cowboys. It said that Virgil, Mr. Marshall, he said, I'm going to give you to the count of three, give me all your weapons, as he's holding them at gunpoint. And we don't know who actually shot first. All witnesses say that as soon as the shooting began, there was no way to tell who did it first.

There was just a cloud of dust. And 30 seconds later, the dust settled and everyone was on the ground. They did not see anything until the dust cleared. They just heard bang, bang, bang. In fact, they heard, I guess, 30 shots within 30 seconds. And somehow the two who were unarmed, I think they could tell that it was go time

and they did not have their guns, so they fucking bail. They fucking out of there. That's you and me. We were like, wait a minute, I thought this was a joke. We didn't realize this was a real street fight. Yeah, it was like, actually, if the only weapon I have are my hands, we have to leave. Yeah, my finger hurts right now.

I don't want to do anything. I got a paper cut earlier. It's a little crazy. So Ike and Billy, they, Ike and Billy Claiborne, they flee. Skid to battle. Everyone else starts shooting. And after those 30 seconds,

when the dust settles, Virgil has been shot through the calf. So he was able to survive. Doc was grazed on the hip I also heard that he was actually just bruised on the hip because a bullet hit his like holster and it ricocheted off Why are that dust though in that in those fragile lungs? Well think about having an open wound and all that dust in it This is where my dad would come and he'd be like I just rubbed some dirt in it and duct tape it up Yeah, that's all we'd use to do it in the old days His dad used to like glue his skin back together if he ever cut it. Yeah my stepdad does that

I don't know where. He uses super glue. Who do I come from? He super glued my finger together. It works really well My dad did that to me too. He super glued my thumb together one time. And I was like- Well, he's had me do that recently. I think it's actually a thing. It sounds a little too Virginia for my California ass. Yeah. Now I'm like, bandaid. It's not the best. We could just bandaid it.

Like. Yeah, sometimes you need a little more than bandaid, you know? I, well, all right. It worked. I still have my thumb. So my dad would be like, -"Did you die?" -"Oh, Eva says that's a thing.

I used to do that in the bakery." See, it's a pretty common thing, I think. The dirt and the wound, I would not recommend, and I don't think Blaze would recommend that either. Just saying. Well, these people all have dirt in their wounds, except for Wyatt Earp, which I think is why he's the most famous

person to come out of this event because he somehow dodged all 30 bullets and he was unharmed. Wow. However, all the cowboys that were left there died. And there were what? It was Billy Clanton and three left. Billy Clanton, there was, I kept saying their last names because there's two Billy's. One of them was the unarmed one that fled

and the other one was one of the Clanton brothers. Okay. Billy Clanton and the two McLaury brothers. They were the ones who stayed and did the fight. Both, all three of them are dead. I see. The local paper refers to it as three men hurled into eternity in the duration of a moment.

Hurled into eternity in the duration of a moment? That's what happened to you earlier with your white background. Poetry! Yeah, that's right, I was rising up into eternity in the near moment. Hurled into eternity. Wow. The three that did die, the three cowboys that died, they are all now buried in Boothill Cemetery.

Remember this, because we're going to get back to Boothill Cemetery. Boothill. The other Earp brothers later killed more of the cowboys and ultimately escaped into New Mexico. And ironically, the OK Corral is now heavily associated, like I said, with Wyatt Earp, even though Virgil was more or so the prominent character.

So today, the OK Corral is actually a replica of the original 1880 Corral because it burned down, but it now operates as a museum. And Christine, wouldn't you be so excited to know that they host daily Gunfight at the OK Corral reenactments? I would die. Well, not literally, sorry.

That's wrong turn of phrase. I would be so ecstatic. I would be shot in the calf and covered in dust. I would dodge 30 fucking bullets. You watch me. Yeah, right. Christine, my birthday girl, you are just the funniest person I've ever met. Oh, stop it.

You're saying that because it's my birthday. The chuckles are so insane with you. Allison often tells me when she is home, she's like, I'm in the middle of really important meetings, and all of a sudden I hear, blah, ha, ha, ha, ha. Just shrieking. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. OK.

So that's the story of the official gunfight at the OK Corral. But did you know there was another gunfight at the OK Corral? Oh, no, I did not. There's a junior, a second, a 2.0. A 2.0. It was not so much a gunfight as a just shooting. But it it just wasn't as famous because I guess the Earp brothers weren't there or Doc Holliday. But in 1897, which was about 16 years after the gunfight

at OK, Crow, the gunfight happened between Justice Jim, Justice Jim Burnett, and William Green. OK, I agree. Justice Jim was the justice of the peace. He was also a judge and he was also a marshal. I don't know what's going on with the marshals at Tombstone. Seems like everyone has that on their resume. So he was Justice of the Peace,

a judge and a marshal for the town nearby. But I guess he was just hanging out in Tombstone. He was also known to track down and fine outlaws. And one guy Justice Jim was always after was this guy William Green. Some say that they were fighting over water rights. I think they shared a river in between their properties and so they were always duking it out

about how the water should be used. William Green decided that he was going to fuck up Justice Jim's water supply by putting a dam in it. Oh, that's not very nice. And either way, William ends it up building this dam, fucks up Jim's water situation, and a few days later, William's daughters and their friend go swimming in the river.

But one of his daughters and the friend end up drowning. Even though he was like, that can't be, because I dammed up the water, it should be pretty shallow, how did this happen? And it's discovered later that despite damming the water, someone else had gone in afterwards and used dynamite to blow up his dam, causing insane rises in the water level.

And so his daughters couldn't estimate how deep the water was, submerging them and killing them. Oh my God. So Green, or William Green, he placed an ad for $1,000 in 1897. Wow. He placed an ad for $1,000 for anyone who had any information about who blew up his dam.

He had a feeling it was Justice Jim, but he didn't have any evidence, so he needed someone else to tell him. He finds out that someone was paid by Justice Jim to blow up the dam. So in turn, William Green says, "'You blew up my dam and killed my kids.'" And he found Justice Jim at the OK Corral pretty soon after, shoots him

immediately three times and kills Justice Jim. So that is the other lesser story. I didn't know that one. At the OK Corral. So the ghosts there are that it's kind of like vague. I really thought I was gonna get some like really intense stories but it seems that it's kind of like vague. I really thought I was gonna get some like really intense stories But it seems that it's just a lot of apparitions of cowboys. Oh god. It's my dream a Lot of a lot of this tip your hat People see cowboys here all the time a lot of times they're actually seen drawing guns yikes Oh, they don't want that part.

No, no, no, no, no. And people see a tall man a lot of times wearing a hat who looks oddly like Virgil, Virgil Earp. People feel cold spots by the alley, which is where the event took place. People feel something touching and grabbing them. Visitors hear voices. They, of course, this is where Christine's little shivers are gonna kick in. People hear spurred footsteps behind them. Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! People also hear horses walking past them

when nobody's around. I was gonna ask if there's horse ghosties. There's little haunted ponies. Aw. And people see shadows darting by all the time and feel presences literally walk through their body. Shhh. Blech.

I don't like that. Tourists have also reported seeing apparitions fade in and out, pacing outside of the corral, and they think it's the cowboys waiting for Virgil and his brothers to show up. Oh, cause that was probably such a high tension day, like moment, they were probably so elevated. Yeah, tourists have also seen the ghost of Justice Jim.

Apparently he, of all the ghosts here, is like the most, one of the most well known ghosts here is Justice Jim of all fucking people. All right. Probably because he's like, can people listen to my story too? What the hell's going on? Yeah, what about me? Why do we not care about my story?

So he has seen a lot walking into a building. He's also seen walking through the streets near this area, which is so wild. But there's another story in, I think, Dallas. I think it's the Miss Molly's Hotel. There's a cowboy ghost there that I've talked about. And I think his name's Cowboy Jake. Wow, it's all Miss Molly's Hotel. There's a cowboy ghost there that I've talked about. And I think his name is Cowboy Jake. Wow, it's all flooding back to me.

Yes, Cowboy Jake, I remember that. And Cowboy Jake was like known to like 50% of the time he would haunt the hotel and 50% of the time people would just see him walking past like all the main drags in town. That's wild. It's always wild to me when ghosts are like in different, window shopping in different places.

It just makes you really wonder like the nature of being a ghost, you know? Like how are you walking around? I wish there was like Bumble BFF for ghosts because if Justice Jim and Cowboy Jake could find each other, they could go walking together. Maybe there is them. Maybe there is.

Maybe they are already. It's called the ether. They already know. They're in the astral plane. That's a good point. Yeah. So Justice Jim's big. People also see him peering through windows, and then when he sees you notice him,

he shuts the windows really quick. Yucko. People describe him as balding with a beard and full of bullet holes. He's full of bullet holes? Oh! Which is interesting because I feel like he should only have three bullet holes. He's full of bullet holes? Which is interesting because I feel like he should only have three bullet holes. And like, the cowboys who had 30 bullets in 30 seconds

should be like, yeah. So I don't know, maybe people are getting their cowboys mixed up. I can't imagine they at all, especially like someone like me, who I don't know what any of them look their cowboys mixed up. I can't imagine they at all, especially someone like me, who I don't know what any of them look like. I feel like you just see a cowboy covered in bullet holes and you think, oh, that's the OK Corral, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it might be. Wow. OK. Well, earlier I said that the three cowboys killed at the OK Corral in the gunfight are now buried at Boothill Cemetery. Yes. Which is also very, very haunted. So in 1878, Boothill Cemetery. Yes. Which is also very, very haunted. So in 1878, Boothill Cemetery was founded,

originally called, very, very appropriately, Tombstone Cemetery. Hey, I mean, come on. Like, come on. I can't believe they changed that. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Embarrassing. Embarrassing.

So embarrassing. And this was the only cemetery in town, so all the residents were there, but that meant all the good people and all the outlaws were all buried together. Um, and in 1884, it closed when also appropriately named the new cemetery was built. These people just love making it easy. I love it. Wow.

Uh, the new, new city cemetery was built. Everyone, one of their loved ones, buried there away from all the troublemakers throughout the town's history. In fact, so many residents felt this way that they even relocated their loved ones' bodies from the old cemetery to the new cemetery. You guys, like, they're dead.

I mean, under, like, they're dead. Okay, whatever. I mean, listen, I guess if it's important to you, it's important to you. I shouldn't be so critical, but. People who, It's a little wild. People who did remain there though,

and were never moved, were people such as Dutch Annie, AKA the Queen of the Red Light District of Tombstone, Arizona. Ooh la la. And Sing Choi, AKA the Godfather, even though she's a woman, because she was the general store owner in Tombstone and she ran the town's opium den.

Okay, girl. I see. Wow. So these are some high rollers, some big names. Okay. Other people who have also remained there are the three cowboys from the shooting at the OK Corral. So when the new cemetery was built, Tombstone Cemetery was abandoned and nicknamed Boot Hill

because the only people left buried there were people who died with their boots on, AKA they had died from violent deaths. Oh wow, like a sudden death almost. Like, oh wow, okay. So they were either shot or hanged or on the run or something like that. So it became nicknamed Boothill Cemetery

since it was now the Outlaw Cemetery. Oh, that's actually pretty like clever. I mean, not clever, it's not the right word, but like that's pretty creative. It is clever. It's dark, but it's clever. So there's two versions to this that I found. That's pretty creative. It is clever. It's dark, but it's clever. So there's two versions to this that I found.

One is that in 1919, there was a reporter who went to Boothill, because remember Boothill closed when the new cemetery opened. And so it had been closed at this point for almost like 40 years, I think. Oh, wow. Okay. And a reporter went to go visit Boothill Cemetery and complained in the paper he wrote for how bad the condition was of the cemetery. Another version is in the 1920s,

a guy went back to town after moving away and he wanted to visit his wife's grave and he wrote to the paper about how bad the conditions were at the cemetery. Okay. Either way, it was around the same time, kind of the same story. And by the 1930s, the town decided that they wanted to restore the grounds of Boothill Cemetery.

And a lot of the work came from the help of the Boy Scouts. They use it as a restoration project. What kind of patch do you get or pin do you get for that? I wonder. I got, I hope a shovel or something. Just like a grave digger shovel. Yeah, that's, uh, he got my grave digging patch You you know if we were in the boy scouts, that would be the one patch we gave a shit about

That's the only one I would get i'd be like I don't okay i'm done I could literally make my mom pay for the entire program of the boy scouts so I could earn that one and then I'd be like I'm done I quit and you know how pissed our parent our moms would be because like We'd have to like buy our own shovels and I would want the shovel that all the other kids have. Like, you know what I mean? Like when you have to buy your own supplies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ours would be like all like, um, colored.

Glow in the dark. Can you imagine a glow in the dark shovel? Man. Why don't they make glow in the dark shovels? That feels like it would totally, well, maybe because a lot of dig grave diggers would use them. Well also like maybe they do. I don't think that we are necessarily up on all our, they probably have them with lights. Right? Like, I don't know about glow in the dark,

but I imagine having a light on it would be really nice. Interesting. If there are any shovel aficionados out there, someone is, it's someone's special interest. Blow in the dark shovel for WWE. Yes, yes. Oh, it's compatible with all WWE action figures. Oh, wait, it's a toy?

It's a toy. Shit, okay, well, whatever. Okay, so unfortunately, as they were restoring this graveyard, a lot of the original grave markers rotted away because they were just wood. And so many decades had passed. They were either rotten and decayed away or people who knew this was like even back in the 1880s, people who had morbid curiosities. I remember this was the first wave of spiritualism.

A lot of their grave markers were stolen. So during restoration efforts, new markers were put in, but guess what? There were no records of where all the buck and bodies were. And so now all of the markers that are put in are just best guesses. Ooh. We don't know a lot of the correct locations unless there was some evidence previously.

And there really wasn't a lot. So many bodies here were also never identified even the first time around when they were building out the cemetery. There were no records of where the bodies were kept or who they were. A lot of them were unidentified. That's estimated that over 100 of the, again, they're guessing that there's around 300 bodies in the cemetery and they're guessing that over 100 of them are listed as unknown.

Wow, so a third of these people in the cemetery are like unmarked graves. It's like essentially a potter's field or something, yeah. Oh my Lord. And this is a fun fact It was more common back in the day for bodies to never be identified because nobody carried ID on them back then there was no license so if you found especially in the Wild West people were just like dead on the side of the road all the time because of

Random shootouts So if an undertaker had to go grab a body and known was around to identify them and they couldn't identify the body, they would just take bodies and it was a common practice to just leave the corpse in front of their own parlor window. So that way as people walked by. They could like say.

They could like check and be like, are there any corpses I recognize so I can go tell them who they are. Okay, can I say one thing though? Which I'm not trying to be mansplaining, but I do know this fun fact is that shootouts in the Wild West were actually quite rare. Really?

Yeah. Fun. That's what I get from my weird newsletter I sign up for about old Wild West facts. Okay, well, I don't know, there's a lot of dead bodies everywhere. I didn't think that information would ever come in handy, but here we are.

So yeah, but I imagine there were a lot of dead people of tuberculosis, of other shootings. Oh, congratulations. Oh balloons, yay. Anyway, sorry, just before somebody corrects, you know, I figured I'd just shout that out. But yes, I imagine there were still a lot of dead bodies that could not be identified.

Can you imagine though, like your regular like Sundays, like, oh, we're gonna go to church and then we're gonna grab something to eat and we'll stop by the Undertaker's parlor window just to see if anyone we know is dead. Just do some window shopping to see if we recognize the dead bodies. Maybe that's what that guy's doing, walking around outside.

He's checking on- Oh, Cowboy Jakey's looking for his friends. That's sad. Oh God, that is really sad. Anyway, that was a common practice, I suppose, at least in this area. So, and a lot of people, if they did walk by the window and they recognize someone,

but they like knew them from the bar, they'd be like, oh my God, that's Harry. And then they wouldn't know any other information. So a lot of these graves- You know, Harry. Yeah. So then a lot of the graves that do have names are just someone's random nickname

with no other information. Wow. That being said, they knew that because of morbid curiosity and dark tourism, people were showing up all the time to Boothill Cemetery, especially the people who are into ghosts and stuff like that. So to bring in more tourism, people were showing up all the time to Boothill Cemetery, especially the people who are into ghosts and stuff like that. So to bring in more tourism, the town decided

that they were gonna get creative by adding additional fake memorials throughout the property just to give you something to read. So it wasn't like, it wasn't like, like you know those fake Halloween graves that have a little rhyme about how someone died? They would just put those everywhere. Just like as like a, it just says entertainment, I guess.

But one of the most famous ones, which like this is on like merchant stuff now, it says, here lies Lester Moore, four slugs from a 44, no less, no more. Wow. And that's like their most famous one. So I think if you were to go to Boothill Cemetery, you'd have to take a picture with that.

Well, I'd for sure get a shirt. Do you think, so did they make these themselves or were they like just bought some, like this was back in the day, right? So they made these themselves. I think they made that as like part of the restoration project of like, look at like our version of what their stones might say if we knew anything about them.

Yeah, it's like one of these might be Lester. You don't know. Yeah. And some of them I think were inspired from other people that actually did die in other areas. So I think it was like, I don't know, I don't totally understand, but I'm here for it. I'm just like- It's an interesting choice.

Yeah. I would like to ask questions about it. Some of them were, where they could find information, they would just leave like a very blunt explanation on the grave of how someone died. So one says died in dispute. So you just assume that's like shot during a fight. Yeah.

Another one says hanged. Another one says legally hanged, which what the fuck does that mean? Wuffaroo, I don't love that. But there's a lot of them popping around that you can see when you're there. But there are also ghosts at the cemetery. So people see mists floating by the grave markers,

they hear footsteps behind them, they feel somebody grab them, and a lot of people have actually said they feel like they're walking through invisible spider webs, like some things got their hands on their face and pulling on them. I almost said that earlier when you said people feel like they're walking through invisible spider webs, like some things like got their hands on their face and pulling on them? I almost said that earlier when you said people feel like something walks through them

and I was about to say, I feel like I've heard that described as almost like you're walking through giant cobwebs. That's exactly how people feel. Visitors have also seen, because there's always one, a lady in red, and people think that she is the woman who used to run the opium dens in town. Oh, it was her name started with a S.

Ssing, I think it was Ssing Choi. Yeah. Apparitions are regularly seen walking through the graveyard and they vanish right in front of you. I hate this one. People even see clear as day faces poking their heads out from behind the tombstones and around the bushes at you. People hear voices saying full sentences to them. One person stopped to look at a grave that they didn't know

and just learned about the grave. And they heard a voice say, it was nice of you to do that. And then it freaked them out. So they backed up. And when they got closer to the grave again, they heard the voice say you came back No, I really wish this was all just part of like a party city run that they did where they bought like a little motion

Activated but it sounds like not People also claim to see one of the Clanton brothers Billy Clanton People also claim to see one of the Clanton brothers, Billy Clanton, and he's still walking around the cemetery. A lot of people say they see him heading back, heading in the direction of back to town. There's even, this is one of my favorite things, there's even an alleged photo of this, of Billy Clanton walking into town.

It is considered a very famous photo in the paranormal world. Ooh! The photo is called, I have it for you, if people wanna look with us, it is called the Boothill Ghost, and it's said to be the ghost of Billy walking back to Tombstone. So here.

Oh my Lord, that is so cool. I haven't seen the photo yet, but just the. So I have the picture for you, and then I also have a zoom in for you. Okay. Oh my God, I see it already. So- It's not the guy in the front, I'm assuming. No, it's not the guy in the front.

It's not the full-on cowboy. There it is, Eva. And then, but just so you can get a close-up. A close-up. That is, that's what he looks like. And there was nobody there that day. It was just, it was just this guy dressed as a cowboy to like go to Butoh Cemetery, totally empty that day.

And they ended up seeing this guy. Goose fucking cam. Do you know what year this was taken? I think in like the early 2000s, but it was, it was definitely at a time when like photo manipulation was not common. It was like, they've had... It's hard to tell because it's in black and white.

So I just, yeah. They've had like paranormal shows and like skeptics even try to recreate it. And the best they can do is that like a mannequin would have had to just be sitting out there like a scarecrow. Oh, yikes. Oh, 1996, just looking up out of curiosity. Yeah, folks, you gotta look at this. It is creepy. It is just a full man walking through, and it's not even on an open path.

It just ended up on the mannequin. I was just looking for the year, all of a sudden there's a mannequin on my screen. I'm like, oh, I must be on the same thing you looked at. Wow, they did a full, there's like lines to show where the eyes are. Yeah, wow, this is intense. Well, like if you look at the main picture too,

like it's not like he's walking on an open path. That's in the middle of a field. Right, it's in the shrubs. Like shoulder high shrubs. So it's very weird for, it would make no sense for him to be doing that anyway. And 96, you're right. Like that is way pre Photoshop for the most part,

a free, sorry, pre photo manipulation for the most part. Yeah. Wow, that is wild west. What I was gonna say next is that the last thing I'll say is that Boothill Cemetery has its own gift shop because so many people go there. And the merch goes missing all the time when nobody is looking and not from people

stealing the clothes, like the ghosts stealing the clothes. What? Items get messed with all the time, their clothing rack spins by itself, things get thrown off the racks. It's very haunted in this gift shop. And so obviously when I heard there was a gift shop, I almost broke my ankles running to it.

And to commemorate this being our birthday episode, you have an official Boothill Cemetery mug being sent your way. No way! Are you kidding? I need you to understand that you just really, I mean, you already know, but wow, you made my day. And with that, I need you to understand that you just really, I mean you already know, but wow, you made my day. And with that, I tip my hat to you

and that is the story of the OK Corral. And that was so, and the party hat's back. And that was so good. Can we go here to this place? Yeah. It sounds so fascinating. I would like to. It just sounds so interesting, even just the history alone.

I will tell you, this is where you were supposed to get your final surprise as a background, because now as we shift into your story, I wanted to take away. I don't want the Western scene anymore. I wanted to bring it back to birthday times. And so I made a whole background my little face was supposed to be sitting in.

And here it is. This is through the power of AI, my friend. I looked at quite a few things. I was gonna ask if this is... Let's take a tour since we can't... What the fuck? Let's take a tour. You are so ill.

Okay. Okay. Whoa. Where would you like to start? Let's start at the top. I use AI. Yeah, we gotta start it. Okay, okay. Whoa. Where would you like to start? Let's start at the top. I use AI. We gotta just, yeah, we gotta start. As I tell you these,

I will be sending the bigger versions of them so people can swipe through these on Instagram. Must we? Okay. This is AI Zach Bagans holding lemon. That's an AI of, okay, oh, I see. That's kind of amazing. Is that, like, it's like actually pretty amazing. Good job, AI.

It's actually pretty good. I mean, if you zoom in on his face, I really like his teeth. Those are crazy. Yeah, I think I'm going to not zoom in. Then you've got- I want to say, to be clear, folks, just what we're looking at is a blank Ouija board template,

almost. And in Papyrus' faun, it says, happy birthday, America's Hurston Shifter. And it has all these kind of border images that are really unsettling, upsetting, that Em has apparently created alongside with a robot. So just do with that what you will. The first one in the top left corner

of what would be a Ouija board is Zach Bagan's Holding a Lemon. And it's very uncanny, Valley, because's very uncanny Valley cause it's almost right. And it's almost right. It's almost right. Yes. Um, below that, what my, my search was, um, emo haunted cowboy celebrating his birthday and it's literally a skeleton in a, like a leather jacket, a leather

cowboy hat, all black holding two balloons or three balloons. Beautiful. And then below that in the bottom left corner of what would be a Ouija board, we have a crocodile eating weed gummies. Weed gummies? I was like, gummy bears, jelly beans, what's happening? Weed gummies is delightful. Well, you like your crocodiles and you like your weed gummies. I sure do. Together is just perfect. And now if we start back up at the top. That is an AI version.

I typed in permit the frog chugging red wine. But if you zoom in on it, AI didn't know how to make someone chugging red wine. It was confused about whether it should use a bottle or a glass. And so it looks like he's actually vomiting red wine into the glass from the top of the bottle. Oh, Em, I think that's supposed to be a straw. If you look at it, it's literally the top of a wine bottle. Oh, oh, I can't see it very close.

Oh, you sent pictures separately. I'm so sorry. I, oh, I just opened it. The one that you sent, the original one, when you zoom in is really blurry. So I could so sorry. I, oh, I just opened it. The one that you said, the original one, when you zoom in is really blurry. So I could not tell. Wow, it is literally looks like he's a fountain with a bottle of wine coming out of his mouth.

That is upsetting. Now that you see the pictures clearly in our text message, like, isn't this lovely? Like it's very well done. Let's go back. Let me go back. Oh, the weed gummies one is bonkers. Okay, oh, here he is.

You gotta look at Zach Began's teeth. You gotta look at Zach Began's teeth. Oh! He's gonna eat ya. He's gonna oh, here he is. You gotta look at Zach Bagans' teeth. You gotta look at Zach Bagans' teeth. Ah! He's gonna eat ya. He's gonna get ya. Why would you make me look at this? Why is the lemon, ew!

He looks so scary. He looks like a wax figure that's been melted a little bit. You know, like someone left it in the trunk for a little too long. Yes, Zach Candle Bagans. And then below Kermit the Frog chugging or vomiting red wine, we're not too sure. I had a UFO abducting a birthday cake

and that's what we have here. That's good, I like that one. Wow, this is so thoughtful. And then my personal favorite, can you guess what the bottom right one is? So that's where I'm looking. Is that supposed to be, let me look at it again. Oh, did you send a picture of it?

What do you think that might be? Is that supposed to be the Hersey and Shifter? That is America's Hersey and Shifter. Wow, I look regal as fuck, dude. That's what AI thinks you look like. I am draped in an American flag. And if you know me, that's how I usually dress during the day Yes, especially your very strong snout that is akin to your everyday actually like so accurate

You know, I'm glad you see it that way Anyway, I worked very hard on that and by me. I mean I typed a lot of things into AI until I got exactly what I needed All for I mean, I typed a lot of things into AI until I got exactly what I needed. Um, all for... It's not totally worth it. Yeah, that's unfortunate. I'm sorry. That's okay. Anyway, there is your birthday surprise, Christine. I hope you enjoyed all of it.

I feel that I'm almost experiencing it in, like, a much more, like, hands-on way. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. For better, for worse, mostly for worse. Thank you for this. The Karmite with the bottle of wine is now just like really not have not not Enjoyable to look at when I realize it's not a straw The Zach is really No, it's everything you've ever wanted. No

No, oh With the weed gummies, I really did, it does feel like your energy. Now that one, I'm on board. Emo Skeleton, I'm on board. UFO, Her Scene Shifter, congratulations, Em, you are an artist, officially. Thank you, and congratulations, you're a birthday girl. So I hope you had a good birthday episode.

And let me, hang on me let me end on another one I got I thought I got the ones that made the sounds like the annoying ones, but it didn't work. So Okay, wow, they're not done it. They're just silent. Um, and thank you so much I obviously was not prepared for this as you can tell so I'm sorry. It's okay. It was in my My phone alerts apparently so good for me preparing things. Anyway, yeah, you deserve all the cowboys. By the way, when I started with the AI, it was originally just a Ouija board full of naked cowboys.

So, and then it- You can just text that to me like, separately. If you want. I also tried a lot of emo cowboys specifically. Now that's interesting. AI only knows one cowboy hat. And I'm not getting probably 60 pictures of cowboys. And they all have the exact same hat.

They're matching. So they're matching. They're all on a team. And so anyway, it ends up turning into other things. So HPD girl. I don't think HPD, I don't think I've ever been so like, felt so seen. So thank you for that.

To be loved is to be known, you know? Yeah, that's beautiful. And to be known is to be loved. Yeah, and I really appreciate you seeing me and loving me. And I love you back. And I'm so happy that it's also your birthday Even though I'm not living up to the same bar that you've said I apologize But I promise when it comes down to it, I will be ready. It was the middle of the night

The AI thing was last minute. I really thought I was just gonna do the whole Western situation and then I got too into it So well, I would say this is a gift for you, my story, but like anything I say is just going to be sad and bad. So I hesitate to say that it's for you specifically, however it involves gay people. Oh, that does it. Well. Do they die? Yeah.

Okay. I know. I don't have like a good angle here. Let me think, let me think, let me think. I could sing you a song. Oh, that's when you know Christine scraping at the bottom of the barrel. Roses, roses.

I wrote it for you. Okay, well, it's just gonna be sad. But hey, we got all of our happiness out of the barrel. Roses. Roses. I wrote it for you. Okay, well, it's just gonna be sad. But hey, we got all of our happiness out of the way. Everything's good. And now you're just gonna do what you do best. Bum everyone out. Yeah. Tell us a story about people regardless of what regardless of anything else. So here we go. This is the story of the murders of Kylan Schulte and Crystal Turner. This is also sometimes called the Moab murders. So we're gonna get into it.

It's actually a pretty recent story. So Kylan Schulte, she was born September 5th, 1996 in Vail, Colorado and grew up with a passionate love for the world, everything in it, especially the outdoors. She loved to explore, loved to be outside, was a very friendly, bubbly person, and was even described as having a childlike sense of wonder even as she grew up. Her whole goal in life was to travel and meet new people and see the world through different perspectives. Her brother William said she was always kind to everyone she met. And this is kind of like a fun fact about her relationship with her brother. Her brother William was put up for adoption when

he was born and lived in Kentucky. And so Kylan didn't meet William until they were adults at a family reunion in 2018. Oh, wow. And I know. And so when they met, apparently Kylan wrapped William in a hug and said, I can't believe it. I have a big brother. And so they were very close. And from that moment on,

Kylan made William part of her life. They got really close as brother and sister. And now we move on to Crystal. So Crystal was born Crystal Michelle Turner on December 30th, 1982 in Hot Springs, Arkansas. And like Kylan, she grew up with a love of nature, a love of everything outdoors, fishing, camping, hiking, you name it. And she also loved traveling and exploring, especially on her Harley Davidson motorcycle. It was like her favorite thing. Is she the gay one?

in motorcycle. It was like her favorite thing. Is she the gay one? I'll never tell. I think you just did. According to one source, Crystal once struggled with a substance use disorder during which time she lost custody of the children she had from a previous relationship, but she worked hard at her recovery and she was very proud of the children she had from a previous relationship, but she worked hard at her recovery and she was very proud of the life she was living. And then when she met Kylan, they fell in love. So they're both gay, trick question. Okay, gotcha. Well played, well played.

I wasn't even trying to play it, but you guessed and I was like, I mean, technically you're right, but you could have guessed both of them and be right. So they became inseparable. William, Kylin's brother, said everything Kylin did was for or with Crystal. I'd never seen love like that before. Like, it was just the cliche, like, instant romance.

Like, they never left each other's sides. They were married in Arkansas in 2021, and both families admired the joy and love they had with each other with Crystal's mom Beverly saying it was the most beautiful wedding she had ever seen. Quote, they were both so happy. They were just so ecstatic.

So Chris- I know it's terrible. It's terrible. Crystal and Kylan live together in Moab, Utah. Do you know anything about Moab? You said it and I had a twinge and I don't know why. Is there like a stereotype to Moab? I know it's like, is it a desert?

Yeah, it's basically where those, like it's a beautiful part of the country. It's like where those red rocks, lots of red rocks, canyons. That's why I glitched for a second because hiking. I believe that's where, oh Arches National Park is there. It's like a very outdoorsy, it's like the most picturesque Utah you can imagine with the arches, you know, and all that. So that's where they lived.

They lived in Moab, which is a popular tourist destination because it's so close to Arches National Park and other, you know, Moab desert type activities recreationally. They were what you call van lifers. They had a van, like a specialized camper van that they travel and lived out of. However, unlike the ones that you see sometimes on TikTok who like travel

year round or work remotely, they actually lived and worked in Moab full time. But they had on their, you know, off time, they would take the van and go explore. This is where I get to do the thing you did to me about how there's not a lot of shootouts in the Wild West. Is that a lot of van life is very stationary, especially in the tiny house world. I feel like the people who travel everywhere, that seems lovely, but it's like so much wear and tear on your, on the car.

And a lot of people, I don't know as much about van life, but I know especially with tiny houses that most of them, it's not like, what's the way that they put it? It's like, they say like, it's not a house on wheels, it's a house that happens to have wheels. And it's like, it's just easier because otherwise you have to figure out like sewage stuff and you have to go find parking everywhere else. And it becomes like a whole to do to be traveling so often. And it's so expensive to like constantly

get your tires rotated. So it's actually not as common as a lot of like the trends make it seem. Yeah, and I feel like a lot of that stuff on TikTok, every time I see people are like, oh, I wish I could live like this. And I'm always like, hell no. That is not the life for me, man. I told you earlier, I don't even want to go to soccer practice,

let alone drive around for the rest of my, I don't know. I'm like, just let me be at home. When I was bigger in the tiny house community, a lot of them would only move like maybe once every six months, once every year and a lot of times it was just because there was like inclement weather coming and so they would just drive somewhere. Out of like convenience or like safety. Interesting. Yeah, but usually once you're like grounded it's just easier to just stay in one spot and just pick a really as

convenient as you can spot. Well, that makes a lot of sense. And that feels like exactly what was happening here is that they just found it like the right lifestyle to live and work in Moab, but then have this van for when they wanted to explore. And they lived out of the van as well. And I will add, I was listening to the Mile Higher podcast

because they covered this story a couple years ago. And they were talking about the difference between RV life and van life, because RVs are so much more, you have to find proper parking, you can only get gas in certain areas, you have to get the right permits, but with a van, you can basically go anywhere a car can go.

So aside from rotating your tires, getting gas, all that, um, it's apparently a much easier way to like move about rather than like setting up a whole, uh, RV sewage line and all that business or whatever you have to do. Um, so that's interesting as well. But yeah, so essentially they lived in Moab and they usually stayed there. They also worked there. Um, but they had this van that they would camp out in and Moab and they usually stayed there. They also worked there. But they had this van that they would camp out in and live in.

And they were pretty well liked and well known in the community. Crystal worked at McDonald's. Kylan was a longtime employee at the Moonflower Community Co-op Grocery Store. And they would use their weekends and time off to go on adventures with the van. And they would always bring their pet bunny, Ruth. Now, I feel like that would have been a TikTok sensation, like van life with a bunny named Ruth. That sounds...

Ruth the traveling van bunny. Are you okay with me? I would just tip over today. So cute. And so they lived much of the year at campsites in their area. And the same was true in August of 21. They set up camp in the LaSalle Mountains near Moab,

and they had just been married five months earlier, and they were in that pure honeymoon phase. They were living the dream. They spent their days working, hiking, spending time with friends, and just, you know, getting used to married life. On August 13th of 2021, Kylin and Crystal had drinks in town with friends at a place called Woody's Tavern. Other people at the bar that night noticed the couple and described them as very much in love with each other, which makes me think

like they were probably very cutesy. They had to be like, all upon each other, yeah. Yeah. And so according to other attendees at the bar, the two of them were very focused on each other, very attentive to each other and seemed perfectly fine. Although Kylan and Crystal did mention to their group of friends that there was a man

near their camp and they described him as creepy man. Great. Yeah. Like all you had to say was there was a man near them and they're queer and I'm just like, oh fuck. Bear. Like yeah, bear, always the bear, Jesus. So both women decided they'd be more comfortable that night

if they moved campsites so that they didn't need to be around this guy any longer. So what they decided was that they would come into town on Crystal's motorcycle and then leave that at the McDonald's parking lot while they take the Kia back to the campsite so that they could like move easier away from the campsite. So they left the bar roughly 9 9.30 p.m.

to pack up camp and find a new spot. And two days later, on August 15th, neither Crystal nor Kylan showed up for work. This was very unlike them. And when Crystal didn't arrive at McDonald's on the 16th either, and then Kylan missed her shift at the co-op, all their friends knew something was very wrong

and immediately they were reported missing. When word got to their families, Kylan's father, Sean Paul of all names, posted to Facebook that the women were missing, and this was on August 17th. He said they weren't in the hospital, they weren't in jail. He called around to see if he could find them.

And he pleaded with the Moab authorities to do a thorough search for both women, whom he called My Girls, which is like his daughter and daughter-in-law. So the Schulte family held their breath, hoping for good news. Crystal's mother didn't have a smartphone or a computer, so she had to rely on friends to keep her in the loop about her own daughter being missing.

Some people suspected maybe they had gotten injured on a hike and were lost, waiting for someone to rescue them. Other people considered maybe Crystal and Kylan extended their camp out and went off grid without telling anyone, but like their coworkers and their friends were like, no, they wouldn't just bail on work without telling anyone. So feeling lost, Sean reached out to a close friend. Sean is the father and he's the one who kind of like

spearheaded this mission to find the girls. He reached out to a woman he knew was a close friend of the girls and her name was Cindy Sue Hunter. He asked Cindy to please help find Kylan and Crystal and because Sean is not local to the area he felt like he couldn't do as much as he wanted so he asked Cindy who did live in Moab to go out on the ground looking. So on August 18th Cindy set out with hiking supplies and a full tank of gas to search the LaSalle Mountains where the women had been camping.

She hoped against hope that she was conducting a search and rescue and not looking for the bodies of her friends. She scanned the edges of ravines and cliff sides. She would pull over to check areas where she thought maybe the brush looked disturbed. She imagined maybe they had gotten into an accident, like maybe the van went off the road over a ledge.

You know, she couldn't figure out. Especially because they like last minute were moving the van, they could have not been prepared. Moving at night, yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point too. Like if they were doing it quickly because they were kind of freaked out by that guy, maybe something went wrong.

So at one point, Cindy finally got cell phone signal out there in the mountains and she called Kylan's dad, Sean, and he mentioned to her, she said, like, is there anything else you can think of? And he mentioned to her, well, you know, Kylan and Crystal had been complaining about a creepy man who had been around their campsite. And Cindy said when she heard that, it was almost like her heart sank and she suddenly had to face the realization she might be looking for their remains rather than, you know, them being alive.

The second you hear, again, always pick the bear because the second you hear a man is involved, oh, well, they're dead. Yeah, it's like, well, something terrible must have happened if a creepy man was lurking around. So with a sinking feeling, she hung up and spent hours, like hours searching. It seemed like an impossible task for one woman to search 60 miles of road

where they could have disappeared anywhere along this road. And because she had no direction, Cindy followed, this like makes me all, I don't know, emotional, but she followed what she called her inner voice and she said she had this almost like intuition that she felt was like talking to her and telling her where to go, which I think is really powerful. So Kylan's aunt, Bridget Calvert, later said about Cindy, she's an absolute hero, an angel, selfless. I really believe if it took her five days to find them,

she would have taken five days. It was like she was so dedicated to this. But instead it took only five hours. And Cindy's intuition guided her to a campsite. She told ABC News she was about to take a turn when a voice in her head, whom she later said she believed was her own mother who had passed, a voice in her head said, go straight, please go straight and hurry.

Oh shit. And she, I have goose cam, and she said, I said to myself, I'm not crazy. I'm feeling this. I'm hearing this. So she went straight. She stopped at a campsite to ask if anyone had seen Kyle in her crystal But as she pulled over she noticed a silver Kia Which was the make and model of the car that Kyle and and crystal drove not the van but their other car

Sure, and she felt like her intuition had driven her straight here to this car. Yeah, I mean that's incredible It is incredible, especially if you consider the Moab desert, like how are you gonna find where they were camping specifically, but she did. And so she called Sean right away to say, hey, I wanna make sure this is their car. She describes the car, he says, yes, I believe that is their car.

So this is a huge break. And she notices there is a campsite beside the car. And Cindy said to Sean, things just don't look right. And she didn't want to disturb anything, right? Because she wasn't sure if this was a crime scene, if she was allowed to mess with anything. She was a little scared. And so Cindy would just walk around and describe to Sean

what she was looking at. She, this moment must've been just terrifying. She went to the tent and had to look inside and the tent was empty, but it looked like somebody had rummaged through their stuff. There were clothes near a tree on the ground. The tent door was slightly unzipped, which would have let bugs inside,

so that didn't make sense. And there was also a cell phone just kind of dead and abandoned inside the tent as well. Finally, Cindy found Ruth, Kylan and Crystal's- Oh, fuck. Beloved pet bunny who was alive. Okay, okay. A little bit, like out of sorts, but alive.

Now she definitely knew this was like how many silver kias with a buddy rabbit are driving around. Right, right. So she knew for sure this was definitely their campsite and something must be wrong because Ruth was alive but her cage was filthy, like it hadn't been cleaned in days and that is not something Crystal or Kylin ever would have. not something crystal or kind of ever. Yeah, no, no And so she knew something must have happened to them

So she apologized to the bunny because she couldn't remember its name. Oh She was like Wow That really fucked me up, right? Like I see that coming Cindy is just very, like, um... I mean, she works at this, like, co-op. She's a very artsy, hippie kind of presence, you know? And she was, like, a mother figure. And so I think, like, to her, this was a very, just, emotional experience. And the fact that she knew how important the bunny was. She just wanted to be, like, caring and coddling to something.

It didn't know its name. And I think she just wanted to say sorry to someone. I know. And she knew how important that bunnydling to something. It didn't know its name. And I think she just wanted to say sorry to someone. I know. And she knew how important that bunny was to them. So it was like, I want to take care of this bunny, you know, on their behalf. So she apologized to poor little bunny rabbit because she couldn't remember its name. And she also told the rabbit she was sorry.

She couldn't immediately rescue her until authorities came to look at the scene, just in case. You know, she couldn't like let the bunny out or like mess with the cage. So she was like talking to the bunny, like, don't worry, we'll, we'll help you. We'll be okay. We'll be okay. Which also makes me wonder if like her intuition or whoever from beyond was also like love my love to my bunny.

You know, I don't know. It was then, unfortunately, that Cindy spotted what looked to be a body in a creek near the campsite. She was still on the phone with Sean also. And for a moment, she was in denial about what she had seen and she almost like shut down, like totally compartmentalized it, like put it away. She turned away from the remains and started just looking at the creek

and thinking how beautiful it was out here. She started describing the creek to Sean. She said the water and the campsite was beautiful. Then she had to really like pull herself together and come back to the moment. And she forced herself to turn around and look again. beautiful, then she had to really like pull herself together and come back to the moment. And she forced herself to turn around and look again. And this time she had to tell Sean what she was looking at. She said, I see a body in the water.

Which keep in mind, like, imagine being like their dad on the phone and like you hear someone panicking because they just found your daughter's bunny. Like you're already fully panicking. And then for the person to just go, the creek is really beautiful. I'd be like, I literally, that's the last thing I'm thinking about right now. Like I need you to get it together.

Like to be so helpless and like fully relying on this other person who's also going through. Like having to process while this other person is processing for the both of you. It's crazy. Yeah, so this is like obviously extremely traumatic for her as well. And then for her having to tell the dad on the phone.

Yeah, she has to be the one to say it to someone. Like, oh God. So just a terrible moment. Apparently, Sean, of course, immediately started crying. But then he started yelling at her, get back in the car and leave. He could still be there. Yes, exactly.

That was his immediate response was like, you get out of there. Cause that whoever did this could still be there, which I also thought was kind of poignant that he was thinking about her wellbeing as well in this moment and like probably the worst moment of his life. And so Cindy thought, well, let me just keep looking.

Maybe I can find Crystal. But Sean insisted she get to safety immediately. So Cindy locked herself in the car and called the police who arrived. And it took them an hour to find her because she was so out in the remote area of desert that they had to like try and pinpoint where she was. Took them about an hour. Imagine sitting there for an hour having just witnessed all this

and just like waiting, you know? I mean, it's just a horrible, horrible day. So Cindy locked herself in the car. She's waiting for police who take about an hour to find her. And when they did arrive, they discovered that near Kylan's remains were Crystal's remains as well. So Sean updated his family in a group text and social media. And meanwhile, William's grandmother called him and told me that... Sorry, William's grandmother called him and told him that the women had been found, but unfortunately his sister and sister-in-law

were both deceased. And at the time he didn't know what had happened and he believed maybe there was an accident in the mountains, like they had a car crash or they fell or they got trapped somewhere in the wilderness. He didn't even realize what had happened when in reality both women had actually died of multiple gunshot wounds.

Oh my God. Yeah, which is just, what the fuck is happening? Wow, that's, I don't think I was expecting gunshots. I don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't something that- Same, I feel like a lot of these kind of wilderness murders don't usually involve gunshots, but you know

What do I know? so Sean who Was Kylan's biological father, but loved crystal as his own daughter said he couldn't believe somebody would kill his girls he was so close with them, and he loved them both so much and To add to this whole mess the Schulte family had already lost a child in 2015. Oh, fuck. Because Kylan's 15-year-old brother, McKeon, was accidentally shot by his friend. Also by guns. Yeah.

Oh my god. Isn't that terrible? And he was 15. Essentially what had happened was he was visiting a friend and he was tapping on his window, like trying to get his attention. And the friend thought it was a burglar. The bad guy, yeah.

And shot straight through the window without looking and shot him right in the head and killed him. And this was a teenager whose parents just bought him a gun and allowed him to own a gun in his bedroom. So, you know, do with that information what you will. But, so they had already lost a 15 year old and now their daughter had also been shot and killed. It's just like, it can't begin to wrap my mind around it. Crystal's mother, Beverly Dodd, found out from friends that her daughter had been murdered because authorities failed to make timely contact

and she didn't have like a smartphone or internet. So throughout the investigation, she really didn't receive many updates. She felt like completely in the dark about her daughter's death. She didn't have people like updating her regularly. Meanwhile, the Schulte family created a GoFundMe to cover the funeral expenses for both women and donations came in from friends from from people around the world who both knew and did not know them. And the Moab community itself was especially shaken because

this was just so violent. And authorities said there was likely no danger to anyone else in Moab, but people were like, well, how do you know that? Like, we don't even know who did this. And they were both shot repeatedly at a campsite. And now you're saying, oh, don't worry, everyone's safe. And so it's believed that they were trying to just preserve the tourism, you know, and not make a big scene and not scare people away because tourism is such a huge part of revenue for the city. And so the attack seemed random, right? Like from the outside, like what if this guy is running around campsites with a gun and

now they're saying, don't worry. Everything's fine. And so people were wondering what if the murder struck again? And some people actually thought that he already had. Let me tell you why. Oh, shit. OK. In a strange coincidence, a couple at the center of another worldwide infamous case,

missing persons case, had an altercation right in front of the co-op where Kylan worked. That would be Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie. Shut up. Just one day before Crystal and Kylan were last seen, Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie were involved in a domestic dispute outside of the co-op where Kylan worked. And a witness called 911 and reported that Brian had slapped Gabby. I've not covered this case, but if this sounds familiar to anyone,

it was very, very big. It's huge. On TikTok during COVID and in the news and it got a lot of media attention. I will probably cover it one day, but just to give you an idea, these happened like within days of each other, these two cases, which is just wild.

That's also like the coincidence of it happening. Like if, if you were to stand anywhere and think in a period of 24 hours, two people in this exact same spot are going to go missing, you would think there's a common culprit. There has to be, right? Like you'd think there has to be. That's too weird. Yeah. The statistics of that must be out of control.

And so police, at the time when Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie were in this dispute, police spoke to the couple who were also van lifers, incidentally, but they were- Yeah, what the hell? TikTokers, that was their whole thing. They would vlog and all this. And the police said, okay, you guys need to stay away from each other,

take some time apart. So Gabby agreed to stay in the van for the night. Brian checked into a motel in Moab. When Gabby disappeared, her disappearance took the internet by storm and TikTok, Twitter, YouTube, like theories abound. Like, I mean, it was crazy. It got a lot of criticism as well because content creators

were seemingly or accused of treating the case like entertainment. One creator said, this is true crime happening in real life. And another responded, that's called crime. It is real life. Don't call this like, oh, this is real life, true crime. It's like all true crime is true. It's real. And it affects the movie. Yeah, it is real life. That's the definition of it. Like I just had an Uber driver recently and she was so nice,

but she kept saying like, oh, I love true crime. And I'm like, really? She's like, yeah, I watch a lot of true crime shows. I'm like, which ones? She's like, all the law and orders. And I was like, oh Lord, thank God that is not true crime. Like that would be crazy if every episode of Law and Order and Criminal Minds was real.

So I was like, oh, I mean, I watch those too. I wouldn't necessarily call them true crime, but you know. Okay. Maybe broadly, broadly, broadly implying another case. Yeah, like based on a maybe thread of a real story. Does it literally say based on, based on other stories? I think it even, it does say something.

It has like a screen at the beginning or, or it says like, these are all fictional. I think it says these are all fictional. I think it literally says that when this show starts. Like, this is not real. This true crime is fictional. Okay. Yeah, this true crime is fictional. This true crime is not true. Yeah. And so that's why people were

kind of up in arms. And the fact that it went viral as well was really hard to swallow because there was also a lot of press, there was a lack, I should say, of press regarding a lot of other cases, especially people of color, people who weren't white blonde vloggers. There was just a lot of contention surrounding the Gabby Petito case and how much widespread attention it got versus other crimes that were happening against people of color, people of different economic classes, backgrounds, just a lot of contention. It was a very fraught time.

And so, because it was so viral, when this Kylan and Krystal story came out, it was sort of like, oh my God, they must be connected. You know, just like you said, like, what are the odds, right? And- That's a fair first thought. Yeah, I really think so too. That's fucking weird.

Just weird coincidence. And so before long,'s fucking weird. It's just weird coincidence. And so before long, people began to speculate that maybe they were linked. And Kylan actually worked at Moonflower, the co-op, the day Gabby and Brian were seen there and had their kind of falling out. And police were called to the scene just maybe minutes, an hour after Kylan plopped out.

So like, this was all happening simultaneously. That's so weird. It's so weird. And so people considered maybe Kylan had seen this fight and maybe like she was the one who called police because people thought, well, if they were fighting outside the co-op, maybe she's the one who witnessed him hit Gabby

and she's the one who got police involved. Maybe then Brian Laundrie felt like he wanted vengeance against her for involving the police, and maybe that's what had happened. People weren't really sure. But after several weeks, authorities couldn't really make any link or determine any official suspects.

And so Sean decided he would come to the area. This is Kylan's dad, and he set up something he called a clue booth. And he said, this is my clue booth. It is just set up right smack dab in Moab and people can come by and give me any tips they have. So he almost set up like a little booth where people could come and campers, locals, anybody who might have a lead, they could come by, give him a tip and then move on. Yeah.

Reverse detective agency. Yeah, it's like come to me. You tell me the leads. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's actually a great point. And I love that he called it his clue booth because that's just, I love the name. You gotta have a name.

Yeah, I gotta have a name and I find that one very good. He stood at his booth every called it his clue booth, because that's just... You gotta have a name. Yeah, I gotta have a name, and I find that one very good. He stood at his booth every day, his clue booth, through August and September, all the way until October 1st. And during that time, he received a lot of tips about several suspicious persons, and authorities did pursue those tips, but there was barely any evidence linking them to the case. An anonymous local at one point advertised a $10,000 reward for information leading to the murderer. Then a local company offered a second $10,000 reward, hoping someone would come forward with anything useful.

And in the meantime, authorities approached poor Cindy, who had found the bodies, and informed her that she was officially a suspect in the murder because they couldn't wrap their heads around that she had followed her inner voice and they thought there's no way in hell she must have something to do with it. And so they immediately looked into her. I mean, I guess from a skeptical view,

she does seem like prime suspect number one. And I will say, like my own bias, if this were a man who was like, I followed a book, I'd be like, really? Like, you know, prove it. Yeah, I would be I would be suspicious. I would be so like, I don't I don't blame them for looking into her. I would say maybe the whole apparently they put her through hell and it was really terrible. She had to surrender her phone and they were trying to build a case against her. Like they took it really far when there really was nothing linking

her except that she found the campsite. Which like, that's why I very often don't, I don't blame people if they are like innocent, but still scared to cooperate with the police because you're just stepping right into. Exactly, get a fucking lawyer immediately. Cause like, you don't know. I mean, even if you have nothing to hide, like you don't know what might happen.

Yeah, what's your name? Lawyer. Right, amen. What's your age? Lawyer. Why were you there? Lawyer. Yeah, there's- Exactly. Why are you wearing that birthday hat? It's my friend's birthday. Damn it. So they felt suspicious of her. They were trying to put together a case. They took her phone. They basically put her through hell.

There were bullet slugs left behind at the scene, which they thought like, okay, well, we can maybe link this to the murder weapon. Authorities meanwhile also collected surveillance audio from a nearby location, which actually recorded gunshots and screams in the background. Oh my God. Yeah, which is really dark because it was how they were able to determine when the murders took place.

So they believe the audio captured Kylens and Krystle's murders, which would mean it took place in the late morning of August 14th, not the night of August 13th as initially suspected. So it would have been like early hours of the 14th. They also collected surveillance photos of a Toyota Yaris leaving the area just one hour after the attack. And this was kind of an unusual vehicle to see out there because authorities are used to seeing camping vehicles, like all terrain vehicles.

Big gay super ooze. The gay super, big gay super ooze. And so tiny house, I don't know, but this one was not quite a match. Like they're looking at this Toyota Yaris thinking like, all right, we'll just flag it, you know, for now. So as reports came out about the last time Kylin and Crystal were seen alive, people started criticizing the women's friends because the friends had told authorities and

the media that Kylin and Crystal had complained about a creepy man near the campsite. And they even joked, which like this just feels so woman coded, but they joked, if you don't hear from us, he probably killed us. And it's like, wow, that's so fucked up. It's always a joke and it's always not a joke. It's always a joke until it's true. Yeah, it's just so.

It's a joke that's only being said because it is kind of, we're still saying it because it's all true. Yeah, because it's based in reality. Yeah. So critics were like, well, why didn't their friends ask for more details, like a physical description? But those who knew the women, like the friend said, I mean, she was joking.

Like she said, oh, if something happens, you know, they were just joking. They're like, oh, this creepy guy. We don't like being around him. They didn't think it was like, it's like hindsight is 2020. Like they thought, oh, they're getting, and they said we're getting away from this creepy guy, we're moving campsites. And these are two women who are like perfectly capable

of holding their own. It's not like they needed an escort back to their van. And so people are blaming the friends and it's like, I don't think that's quite fair. And the guy hadn't done anything besides make them uncomfortable, which obviously looking back is very telling, but in the moment it's like, well, not much you can do. But also let's talk about the fact that sorry to all the men listening

unless you're like on the right side and aren't going to be offended by this, but like it's so normal for women to feel uncomfortable around men. It's like, it's not like this was a milestone event. Yes, exactly. That's such a good point. It was like, oh, it was a typical Tuesday. A man creeped me out and got a little too up in my business

and I have to just leave the premises. It happens every fucking day. So it's not new. It doesn't mean like, if they had said, oh, this guy's walking around with a gun and threatening our lives, okay, maybe. But like, that was not the story they told. The story was just this man made like really uncomfortable. Is a weekly, sometimes for other people, daily event.

Like, it's just. Right, like imagine doing, working at McDonald's as a cashier, like you would probably encounter creepy men all day, you know, it's like, Yeah. Old news. And so that's why the friends were, even though they were put on blast, like I do not think that is a fair criticism. You know, at the time, it like just didn't seem as critical as it does looking back. And so Kylan and Crystal, like I said, were also experienced campers. They could hold their own. Um,

a family member said if they had actually felt like they were in real danger, they wouldn't have even gone back to the campsite. So they probably, you know, told themselves like, ah, we're overreacting, you know, that classic move of downplaying your concern or your fear. So Kylan's family exhausted every avenue they could imagine. There was actually a wedding taking place nearby the campsite the night they were killed. So Sean spoke to wedding attendees and asked if they heard anything, if they were so close to the shooting, like maybe they heard the gunshots or the screaming.

And so one of the attendees actually put together a spreadsheet of the entire guest list and where they were all staying that night and then gave that to authorities to say, like, interview these people, this is where they were. And so Kylan's family and Crystal's mother spoke to newspapers and podcasts, they made social media pages, like they just wanted this in the public eye. And it was finally in spring, 2022,

when the police department and the FBI publicly named their prime suspect. And this was 45 year old Adam Pinkusawicz. Pinkusawicz, Pinkusawicz? He went by Adam Pinkus. So we're just gonna go on Adam Pinkus. So Adam was a Moab local who worked at the same McDonald's as Crystal, interestingly. He was an early person of interest

when the investigation began, but wouldn't you know it? He skipped town immediately after the murders and no one knew where he went. So as the investigation continued and more and more people were going to the clue booth and to police with their suspicions, people continuously brought up the name Adam Pinkus. And people-

It's weird how many people would know him. Would know him? Like how many people would say his name separate like individually from each other? Oh, well, he worked at the local McDonald's with Crystal. So I think- I mean, but like, were they mentioning other employees at McDonald's, or was he just like particularly notably creepy for everyone to be talking? He was just a creepy dude.

People were basically like, oh, if somebody killed somebody, he's the only one I can think of. Like, he was just the immediate standout. Imagine if he didn't do it. That would be like a crazy reputation that everyone has. There's some debate. There's some debate. Yeah.

Because some people say he really wasn't that creepy. We'll get into it. So anyway, some people who knew Adam even posted on social media that they believed he was involved and that the FBI needed to look into him. And what we do know about Adam is he was an unfriendly person, very aggressive with his coworkers. He once was even forced to clock out of work early because he started an argument with a manager one day.

And on a personal level, he did not like Crystal. He was very homophobic to begin with. And sometimes Crystal came in when she wasn't working to grab like a quarter pounder for herself and Kylan. And the manager was totally okay with this because Crystal worked there and was allowed to come in and grab some food. But apparently one day he saw this and accused the manager of giving her preferential treatment because the manager was also in a lesbian relationship. And he said, well, you're just giving Crystal preferential treatment to get sandwiches

because you're both gay. And they were like, no, like anyone can come get a sandwich. And also like, what's it to you? Yeah, at that point I'd be like, sure, I guess so. And you're not invited. Yeah, like go make your own. You can eat a sandwich too. Big whoop. It's just so weird. So there was like a long standing history of him being very aggressive with multiple members of staff and being pretty homophobic. And it's unclear whether Crystal even knew that Adam had a problem with her,

or they actually never worked shifts together. And so it's like unclear. And that's where there's kind of a sticky bit for me, which is like, well, wouldn't she know him? Right, because she kept saying creepy guy. Wouldn't she know it was like a guy from work? From work. So that's where the hangup is a little bit for me,

but it's entirely possible. It sounds like they did not interact really at work or didn't really know each other very well. Apparently when Adam made this complaint to the manager, he didn't realize she worked, that Crystal actually worked at the McDonald's. He thought it was just like a friend of the manager's. So maybe-

It's like you and your lesbians are just giving out so much as other gays. Yeah, like taking over. Yeah, exactly. So maybe that's just what he, like maybe they just didn't interact ever. And so she didn't recognize him. In the Mile High podcast, Kendall was saying like,

well, maybe he was in disguise, like maybe out in the, out in the wood mountains, maybe he had a mask or like a bandana. Also it was dark out too, he could have had a hoodie on. Yeah, and so, you know, they did talk to the creepy man at the campsite, so, you know, you'd think maybe like if they had talked before at work that she would recognize, but maybe she just didn't put that together.

Maybe she'd never talked to him at work, who knows? But that's a little bit, some people have like a little holdup on that. But either way, they start looking into Adam. They announce that he's their prime suspect. And incidentally, Adam drove a Toyota Yaris, the same vehicle that was leaving the area shortly after the killings.

And investigators began to suspect that Adam was the creepy guy hanging around near the women's campsite and had followed them into the mountains after work. So a private investigator hired by the women's family disagreed. And he actually assumed that Crystal would have recognized her coworker,

like we were just saying, and named him instead of like just saying, oh, creepy guy. And this private investigator suspected the creepy guy, maybe it was just a coincidence. Like maybe there was a creepy guy and it wasn't even creepy guy who killed them, but like they had just happened to talk about him

a few days earlier and then this happened, who knows? But Crystal and Adam didn't work the same shifts and company policy required McDonald's, this is a thought I had as well, to wear masks because of COVID at the time. So it's like, maybe she didn't even see his face at work. She just didn't know who he was. Yeah, and all you have to do is wear a hat and a mask

and then you can't really see much. And so it's entirely possible that like Adam was the creepy man, but either way, whether he was or not, all the investigators believed he was their best suspect. The only issue is that he had died by suicide on September 24th, 2021, just over a month after the murders. Adam? Yes. So there's no catching him? No. Or even asking him questions? Nope. No, or even asking him questions. Nope No, he took his own life

so The investigators had to put together basically any pieces they could that he left behind they did note that the Bullets used in the murders did match Those used again there are those that were in the weapon he used so his weapon matched the bullets I should say, that killed Kylan and Crystal. And a grocery order receipt showed that Adam had purchased them on August 13th.

And that was the last day. Yep, exactly, that they were seen alive. So at the bar, they had told their friends that the creepy man near their campsite had left for a while that day and had returned with groceries. Oh, fuck. Weird.

Also, Adam, when he skipped town right after the murders, he deleted all of his social media when he left Moab, along with photos, texts, any other media that they could have looked through and used as evidence. It was like he wiped his stuff clean, which is fishy. It's not necessarily hard hitting, but it's definitely fishy. However, he did leave behind a bunch of notes

he wrote in his phone describing frequent thoughts of things like violence, rape, and racism. He was very mentally unstable. He had a lot of mental health issues. And that could have played a part in this, that could have played a part in if he did kill them. But either way, he had threatened violence against his McDonald's manager. And some of his coworkers reported that he had made hateful comments about his manager's sexuality. and some of his coworkers reported that he had made hateful comments about his manager's sexuality. And in the note he left behind at his death,

he said he had been fired by his, quote, lefty liberal bosses. Oh, okay. Yeah. And he also sent his family a strange and concerning email that they described as a goodbye, and that was actually sent hours before the murders. Oh. Yeah. I mean. He did it. Finally, investigators found references to a man they described as Adam's significant other

who lived in another state. Mm hmm. It seems like they had a very fraught relationship. And when authorities contacted this unnamed man, he told them that Adam had confessed the murders to him. And he actually, this significant other of Adam's, apparently knew details that not even the women's families knew. For example, he said that Adam had shot them in their tent

and then moved their bodies to the creek. And only investigators knew this. This was not public information. The families did not know this. He also told them that Adam said he worked with one of the victims and he disliked her because she was bossy. Bosse? And bossy, sure.

And the man claimed he did not contact authorities because he was afraid for his life. He was afraid of Adam. And now that he knew this information, he was afraid Adam would hurt him. And he did not realize that Adam had taken his own life. So he was kind of living in fear until investigators found him.

So when investigators figured this out, they felt they had enough evidence to not only arrest Adam if he were alive, of course, but also to prosecute and convict him of the murders. But again, of course, he had already passed. So in late 2022, which would be more than a year after the tragic murders, police and the FBI officially closed the case and released details of the investigation publicly, naming Adam as the killer. And although they could never truly understand the motive, like why Adam would kill Crystal and Kylan, the women's loved ones at least could now put to rest, like, who did this, you know, and know that he'll never hurt anybody else.

So there was at least a bit of closure there, especially for Sean, who posted a video about how relieved and happy he was that they had found the guy who did this. Cindy, of course, was no longer a suspect, but she said that despite the fear and stress, she would have done what she did all over again. She just seems like an angel.

She's a homie. She is, she seems lovely. I hope she got all over again. She just seems like an angel. She's a homie. She is, she seems lovely. I hope she got the bunny rabbit. I hope she takes care of the bunny rabbit. Wouldn't that be sweet? That'd be nice. She told reporters, quote, it's made me understand why people don't come out and help when they ask for help, because the person that does the good deed gets blamed. So basically what you said, Em, of like, no good deed goes unpunished. Like she's trying to help and now she's having her whole life turned upside down. So ultimately she just wanted Kylan's and Crystal's families to have

closure so she did not regret following her inner voice. Kylan's and Crystal's families held services for them in Montana and Arkansas. Kylan was laid to rest near her brother, who she was really close to, the one who had been shot. Sean asked that everyone remember the women for their lives, for their love of the outdoors, of everyone they met, and of course for each other. And when their obituaries and memorial announcements were posted online, people shared beloved memories of the women. Some were posted by family and close friends, but other commenters said they only met the couple briefly

on hiking trails and at campsites, and they had remembered them fondly. Even then, Kylan and Crystal had made lasting impacts. People just met them once on the trail and never forgot them. So Kylan's aunt Bridget said, the light of their undying love will shine on. And apparently their favorite flowers were sunflowers and roses respectively, and so a lot of the memorials to them have featured sunflowers and roses. And apparently

when Crystal was cremated, they sent Kylan's family like a necklace with some ashes in it to bury with Kylan in her grave so that they could be laid to rest together. I know it's really fucking sad and I'm sorry it's your birthday. Yeah, I feel really stupid on this hat. Sorry, I know your hat halfway through. I was like, oh poor Em's wearing that fucking hat.

Like a little kid holding a lollipop and it's just raining so they can't go to the park or something. You just have like a cone with the ice cream on the floor. It's just like so sad. And I want to add too, which like was not in these notes, but it's important to note that the private investigator or at least one of them who believed it was not, that they did not have the right guy, that Adam was not him, was Dogg the bounty hunter, who was heavily involved in this

case. And he believed that they got the wrong guy. And he said, in an interview, he said, the guy we have, we think is the right guy. But he, Dog the bounty hunter was also very involved in the obviously the Brian Laundrie case. So it makes sense that he was kind of in this circle. But I think one of the big, I don't know, there was a couple of criticisms about, you know, the handling of this case, especially right after Gabby Petito, because it was the same area, same police force.

And I don't know if you know this, but Dog the Boundary Hunter was the one who swooped in and discovered Brian Laundrie, found Brian Laundrie. And so- I don't think I knew that, no. Yeah. So when police were on this case, and Dog the Bounty Hunter showed up, they were like, we gotta do this ourselves.

Dog the Bounty Hunter is fucking giving us a bad name. Wow. Like we're gonna look like fools. Go Dog. I guess so. I know he's very controversial. I don't know the details, but- Oh, I don't know enough about him.

I just know his name. I don't either. So I just, I think it's probably just the nature of what he does, I don't know enough about him. I just know his name. I don't either. So I just, I think it's probably just the nature of what he does, I don't know. When it's true crime, like all the Gary Petito stuff, I just like actively swiped away because I knew eventually you'd cover it. So yeah, you're like, I don't want to know yet.

I don't know. So no, the dog, the bounty hunter thing did not see that is I'm probably the last person to know that, but it's still super cool. Maybe not, you know, but yeah, that because that case was weird in and of itself without Dr. Bounty Hunter. So there's a lot happening. But but yeah, that is the case. It's it's obviously pretty tragic, incredibly tragic. But yeah, be careful out there, folks. Trust your gut. Trust your inner voice, so to speak. See something, say something.

See something, say something and. Then be careful and always choose the bear. Always choose the bear. We both said that. Oh, gosh. Yikes. Well. Good job, Christine, although I will say, like in terms of like birthday party, this is just a little bit of a wash.

So look at that. It's just me with my raining on your birthday. You know, one day for our birthdays, we'll just tell happy stories. Will we? Nobody. We break the rules. Yeah, I don't know how we would do it, but maybe we could do one of those real true crimes. Like we could just tell an Elliot Sabre story. A real true crime. Yeah, we'll just read the script.

We'll just do like a- And also a real Zach Bagan story and then we'll just- Yeah, we'll do a table read of Ghost Adventures in Law and Order. Okay, but I get to play whoever Marishka Hargitay has to guess. Uh oh. Uh oh, I get to play, what's his name?

Marishka Hargitay, ah! No. That's a plot twist. I was just watching the new, or not the new, I'm watching the very first season of Lawn Order. No, I'm BD Wong. I'm BD Wong. of One Order. No, I'm BD Wong. I'm BD Wong. You are BD Wong.

I love BD Wong. I'm re-watching the very first season right now, and wow, they had a completely different vibe than the rest of the show. And Marishka Harkto was actually like, yeah, she was like actually like hooking up with people and everything in the first season. Oh, it was a while.

The first season is out of control. The most lawless, ironically. The most lawless, ironically. The most lawless. I mean, they literally use the slurs left and right. It's just rough. Oh, that was through season 10, I think. I think so, but yeah. It's just painful, a bit painful.

The amount of times that they find a way to insult trans people or people in drag when there's not even, it's not even in the storyline, they're just thinking like potential options of a suspect. They're like, what if they're in drag? Yeah, wearing a skirt. I'm allowed to say it. Stabler loves the word hee shee.

He loves the word. Oh, fuck the fuck. Every time he says it, my little non-binary ears go, what the fuck did you just say? And I love that you're the one that keeps watching this fucking, like it's like your favorite show. Yeah, but then in my mind, I'm like, ah, you get a pass today, Elliot, I guess.

You're like, silly Elliot. He's the only one allowed to say that. He didn't know any better. Ice tea, you silly goose. Yeah, ice tea, he's always, so many. And the way, by the way, I think they, oh, they absolutely do in a few of the episodes, they say N-word and everything. They say every single bad word. And it's like how lawless was 1999 television that we didn't even blink. Didn't blink. Yeah. Because as I watch it now, I'm like, holy shit.

And like, they still haven't blocked it out now. Like, you would think they would like put a mute or something or a warning, because it's like the one episode I'm thinking of is when they're literally like, like white supremacists are saying it. It's not even like someone of color is saying it. And they're saying it like too thin.

Like they're saying it. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Like how is that okay? Two two two Ola? Two two two. Odafin two two Ola. Whoa, Zadooza. I cannot believe that.

That is rough. Yeah, I have to start at like season 10. I can't, I can't. It just like makes me crazy to watch the earlier ones. The worst, this is where you get attacked because they say a lot about bisexuals and how they're not real Nobody is safe nobody is a fucking show Yikes Wow anyway somehow my comfort show yuck Every time I it's a lot of our comfort show

I think we're finding a lot of people who are like few I, I'm glad I'm not the only one who watches this, even though it's like pretty problematic early on. Yeah, and now, I mean, if they were still doing it, we'd be like, oopsies, that's not good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. But I watch it now and when I hear us, I wish you could see my face and I hear them say a slur, I go, oh!

And then I go, oh! Then I guess you didn't know, but I, you should have known. Nineties, we were saying that back then. I was eight. I don't know. Yeah, no. No, definitely not. Anyway, Mariska, Sabley, I don't know how we got here. That's how I'll celebrate my birthday.

I'll watch some new Mariska stuff and see what she's up to. I'm going to check on BD. He's doing good, I think. He's floating around saving lives. Gotta love him. Gotta love him. Gotta love him. Gotta love him.

Okay, well, what do we do now? I guess we go do an after hours? Yeah, let's go talk after dark. I wonder what's darker than this. Oh no, it's after dark, so it's supposed to be less dark. Hmm, that's easy. Interesting. Well, you could put your weird little hue thing back on

and be raptured upstairs and then. My hue. That'll be, that's the opposite of dark, sure. I'll change my contrast settings and just wash out my screen. That'll be nice. Okay, I'll see you over there. Okay. Love you. Bye. And that's why we

Celebrate our birthdays. Happy birthday