And That's Why We Drink - E403 Senior Citizen Energy and a Love Rhombus

Episode Date: October 27, 2024

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Some mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts, but in some cases answers lie in the unknown. I'm Ashley Flowers and each week on my podcast, So Supernatural, we explore some of the world's most bizarre occurrences and unravel their possible explanations no matter how strange. Because sometimes, to get to the truth, you have to look beyond what we know to be reality and consider what else there could be, even if it forces you to reconsider everything you think you know.

Listen to So Supernatural now, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to And That's Why We Drink Where Christine Christine is hidden and I have to assume there's a reason. Well, it's our Halloween episode. I thought we were doing costumes, so I prepared. Oh my God. Did you forget? I did not forget.

I just, I assumed, okay, so my costume is literally- You scared me with that. Oh my God. I thought maybe I was on the wrong date or something. No, my costume is literally- You scared me with that. Oh my God, I thought maybe I was on the wrong date or something. No, my costume is right here. I'm surprising you on stage at our shows. Oh yeah, well, I'm also surprising you on stage

with a different costume. Should I give everyone a little taste actually? Let me just open it and do a reveal for everyone all at once. Sure, yeah, I'll just stay in the dark here. Okay, perfect. Ah! I'll just stay in the dark here. Okay, perfect. Okay, I haven't tried on the piece de resistance, if you will, obviously, because it's in a bag next to me. But this is one part of it.

And let me see if you can guess who I am, you and all of YouTube. Let's see. Wait, okay, but is this not going to ruin the surprise? Well, I don't think so, because our shows happened before the. Like this episode will come out. I know, but for me, though, I didn't know if you wanted it to be a surprise for me. I was going to, but now that I realize that you're showing me a costume today, I want to play. OK. I'll be a part of it.

But just to be clear, I'm showing you a different one, because I didn't want to ruin the actual life. Gotcha. I did mention that already twice now. But yes, I am bringing a different costume to the show. I only have this one, but it's worth it. Hang on. Are you ready? I'm ready for you to steal my thunder.

Go ahead. Guess who I am. Hang on. Hang on. What's happening? Father time. What's happening? I'm also wearing makeup and a dress. Oh, you didn't even hear all my guesses. No, who would you guess?

Father time and Cher. I'm going to be on stage. La Llorona? I'm going to be the woman in white, the lady in white. Excellent work. And I do have a dress and I do have makeup. Wait, you're going to wear a dress? the woman in white, the lady in white. Excellent work. And I do have a dress and I do have makeup. Wait, you're gonna wear a dress? That's the scariest part of it all. Are you sure?

Okay, if you want to. It's Halloween, don't shame me for wanting to wear a dress and express myself. You realize I'm not shaming you, right? I obviously have to cut these bangs. Well, yeah, we need to do something about the fringe. Yeah. Anyway, welcome to my, what was going to be my Halloween costume later. I'm very excited. I have no idea what you're going to be on stage or right now.

Okay, well now I feel like my thunder has been stolen because mine's not very exciting. I don't have a wig. I just wanted to do a fun little thing and then decided to take over the show. I'm sorry. I got too eager. I got too eager. Yeah, we heard. Okay, fine. I'm sorry, I got too eager, I got too eager. Yeah, we heard. Okay, fine, I guess I'll reveal myself now.

Oh no, they're perfect. No, no, no, that's exactly, yes. Well, you don't even know what I am. You look fucking fabulous, I don't give a shit. What are you, tell me. I'm your partner in time, a crime traveler. I'm so in love with you. And I've gone back in time to some unknown decade

that I can't quite figure out. See, you look like you would actually blend in perfectly with the Cryptids Unscripted poetry slam. Oh, thank you. I did buy two novelty hats and sunglasses from Trader Joe's in the last, not Trader Joe's, dear Christ, from Target in the last week because I just can't get the accessory game, right? But yeah, I got my fuzzy bucket hat and my retro sunglasses, my pearls, I don't know,

and a flashlight that I stole from Blaze's nightstand because he actually has useful things in his nightstand. Christine, you're burying the lead. You know what's really selling it? What's that? Is your shirt looks like an investigator cloak or something. That is true. I did wear my short sleeve,

it's called a camper shirt from Quince, of course, because that's where all my clothes are from. But yeah, I wanted to look kind of like Inspector Gadget. You look like Inspector Gadget. You look like if a beatnik and Inspector Gadget had a baby and then moved to Silver Lake. That's what I was going for. Thank you so much.

You killed it. And you actually do look like an inspector. Your glasses are giving more of like just for surveillance novelty. That's right. It does feel kind of like Moira Rose trying to be subtle. But thank you. I'm so glad you like it.

And I feel like I'm on the hunt for you. Like, I feel like you would be in the shadows hiding, swishing your skirts. And I would be with my little ghost flashlight like looking for you. That's right. I will be swishing a skirt on stage this week. I can't wait.

I'm actually really happy. I know your costume now, because I feel like now I can kind of like, because I have a separate one for the live shows that I'm really excited about that needs a lot of work still, but now I can kind of like form it. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like play along, play off you. Well, so right now the theory is that makeup will be done. And that, I was worried, I was like, how am I gonna not see you beforehand to surprise you on stage? But I actually don't know if I'm gonna do the makeup or not. It hasn't gotten here in time yet. And all I have is literal white clown makeup

and that would just be too fucking scary. I wanna have the drag queen like do the contour lines for me and make me look good, you know? Oh, hell yeah. I mean, if you want, I can pull up just a YouTube video. We could go to Walgreens before the show. That could be fun. Oh, at the very least I might just do a bold red,

like a lip, you know? Wow, wow, wow, wow. Something silly, something va-va-voom. Talk about taking the spotlight. You're going to be the star of the show. I am not used to long hair. So immediately, I'm just going like, pfft, pfft, pfft. Oh, getting it out of here.

Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Nope, I am excited to be the Lady in White. There's always a Lady in White, so you gotta, you know. You gotta just be her sometimes. You just gotta own it. Do you know what Leona's gonna be for Halloween? The girl in white, what?

It's out of control. I have tried my darndest to change this as delicately and as I can and I can't. And so she's gonna be a character from the Pete the Cat books and TV series. And the character's name is Grumpy Toad and he just is there's no he's not a famous character there's nothing like especially I mean he's a toad but like look at this see this is oh my god I can't wait to post these photos when

they actually happen because I'm working on her costume right now this is the picture of Grumpy Toad I I just texted it to you. I mean, you're literally wearing the same glasses right now. Just let's be clear. Is she gonna wear those glasses for Grumpy Toad? Well, not these ones. I actually bought her almost the exact same glasses on this frog creature.

I found almost the exact pair. So I'm gonna give those to her. They're wire frame with purple lenses. Grumpy Toad doesn't even look grumpy. Grumpy Toad just looks... Grumpy Toad has a serious... He has a serious attitude problem. Does he?

Yeah, and the thing is that he steals cupcakes. So I think Leona is like, oh, I want to be the one with all the cupcakes is why she wants to be. Like she's pretty smart in that way. She's like, I know. I love that kid. I wanna be...

So the one I sent you is a TV character. I wanna show you the one from the actual book series because that feels like even more Terrifying no just like what are you doing? This is what is this? Here's a picture of him. Hell. Yeah, I just for grumpy. He just looks like he's just That's after he stole all the other cupcakes I see, the cat looks pretty pissed. Yeah, Pete's just really chill all the time. This, I mean, I love it. Yeah. Good for Leona.

Yeah, she's really stuck to her guns on this one, so. She's found someone to inspire her. You know what? I guess that is a good way to put it. This is usually his go-to. He looks kind of like Patrick Star in the way of like... Kind of a mouth breather. Yeah, kind of a mouth breather.

Sad eyes, big tummy. Yeah, exactly. Doesn't say anything particularly engaging or insightful. But yeah, this is Grumpy Toad, so that's Leona's costume. So it's gonna be a weird year, but I'm ready for it. Perfect. Good for it. Perfect. Good for her. You and that hair.

Every time I switch back to the stab, I'm like, ah! You know, I will actually like, this was me literally throwing it on just to like show you something. She will be styled. Oh, I can't wait. Do you want me to bring my curling iron? I was thinking maybe we do like

a little Kardashian beach wavy thing. You know, like a... What if I got one of those of ava vuvu crimpers from one eight hundred from a from an infomercial where we bead the hair crimpet bead sounds like a lot. I remember crimping hair and then there's like covering it and basically schlack hairspray. Yes. And then like putting glitter on top of that.

And it was like, I wonder why I have split ends. I know this hair, she was supposed to come curly. I just, as I opened it. You can tell she's stylish though. She has the ability. Yeah, you can tell she's ready for it. She was like $7, so she probably will fry the second. She actually probably has a-

I have to say, she doesn't look $7, it's kinda nice. She has a better chance of maybe not being touched. I think I'm gonna ruin it by doing something to it, but I will try also, so. I do have one important question, which is when you Googled it or searched for it on Amazon, what was the, what was it being intended, like what costume did it display as like the intended costume

or did it just have the wig? Was it like, here's your father time slash share costume, or was it like just a wig? I think it was supposed to be like an actual wig that someone wears, like just for every day. Oh, just like an accessory. They clearly picked somebody not meant for the role because she was like severely tan.

And I was like, okay, like I feel like you would wanna kind of match like your hair with your- This feels like a senior citizen energy, yeah. The person that they picked was like someone who like just came from the Outer Banks and she has like, she had those contact lenses that like made her very dark brown eyes not look blue even though she's trying. It was a weird... She sounds like a white walker like from Game of Thrones the way you're just going with

that wig but... This plus the contacts made me think for a second, it must be, she's trying, she's shooting for a Halloween costume. It's gotta be. But she just looked like a person who's making some interesting choices. Okay, well you know what, good for her. If that's her identity, that's her identity.

Yeah, good for, you know, I do, there was a girl in my sorority named Lori, and she went through that phase with like the contacts. Oh yeah. We feel like we all had a friend who did that, and you were like, all right, get it. And you just look at them, and it's like, you're not fooling anybody. It's like a startle moment, I always were like. We feel like we all had a friend who did that and you were like, all right, get it. And you just look at them and it's like,

you're not fooling anybody. It's like a startle moment, I always feel like. Like it's like, ugh. It's a jump scare, yeah. Cause I'm like, if what you're trying to convey is like you obviously don't want natural eye color to be present on you, then you're nailing it. But like you can't possibly think I'm going to detail you

to the police as someone with blue eyes. Unless, unless, you're supposed to say unless. Unless. Unless we're being fooled by some people and we just don't even know it. Like what if I've always worn these and you didn't even realize, you know? What if we only spot the ones that are like

not very well done, but like some people have very sneaky ones. You know, as the investigator of the day, I'm gonna let you believe whatever you want to believe on that. Thank you. No, and it's always the people, I don't know, it's always the people that have those contacts

that they always have like some fucking, like I just always assumed they were the kids who were like crazy, like party ragers. Right, because their eyes are purple. And you're like, what? Yeah, I feel like I'm like, are you still trying to, what are you, you're trying to let me know that you still have a little silly in you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're here, you're not here to just sit around. Like something, you're bringing a certain energy to the table. But Lori, she swore up and down that they were her realize. And I was like, please don't bullshit a bullshitter. Yeah, don't bullshit a bullshitter. You know what you do is like you wait till it's like, it's like

two in the morning, like 11pm, whenever Laurie's bedtime is and like you're in her dorm room and you're like, oh, I just need to borrow the textbook. And it's like as she's taking her contacts out or in the bathroom, like the shared bathroom, you know, I'm sure, you know, I should have just said, I should have just like slipped a 10 to her roommate and been like, what is going on in there? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I already fucking know what's going on in there. Fill the deets, exactly.

I was like, I just need you to confirm it for me. Yeah, just take your big Sony flip digital camera and take a big high flash photo so we can all see it for our very own eyes. Oh, do you wanna see my new tattoo? More than anything on earth. Where did you get it? Friday, I went to sister's tattoo in Oakley. No bitch, on your body, where did you get it? Oh, Friday, I went to Sisters Tattoo in Oakley, and the little...

No, bitch, on your body, where did you get it? Oh, well, I want to give them a shout-out also. But yeah, Lynx was my tattoo artist, and apparently listens to the show. Said she listens. We'll see if that's real or not. We'll see if she ever hears her shout-out. This will be the big test, Lynx. The secret code is Lori's eyes.

You better tell us what color Lori's eyes really naturally were and then you'll pass the test. But yeah, it took forever. It took like six or seven hours and poor Lynx Holy shit. was very pregnant. And so I was like, this, I was complaining. And then she's just sitting there for like six and a half

hours. But you did. Okay. What the fuck? Oh my God. Is that a, okay, from far away, it's a sloth, a monkey. What the fuck? Oh my God. Is that a... Okay, from far away it's a sloth, a monkey? What is it? I wish it was a sloth. That would be so funny.

It's from far away. I just can't tell from far away. Sorry. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, I love that. Is that... It's a lioness and her cub for you and Leona. Yes.

And it's Leona's birth flower on the top. Marygold, which I have since learned my mother is definitely allergic to. So that's a good one. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. I'm going to go with that. and her cub for you and Leona. Yes, and it's Leona's birth flower on the top, Marygold, which I have since learned my mother

is definitely allergic to, so that's fun. That's a story on its own. I feel symbolic. And then the mommy lion is stretching, because it's like a big cat stretch. Because you like big stretches. To take care of yourself, you know. But it's humongous, like on my own.

It's like, I'm stretching while the baby's playing, you know, I don't know. But that was- It could also, I mean, that you could use that in so many ways, because now when like, Leona's screaming, you could just go. I'm so sorry, I've got to do a downward dog real quick. Yeah, I just have to like,

want to rip my own body in half right now. Yeah, she'll probably just push me over, but that's okay. So, okay, how long have you had that idea in your head? Cause I've never heard this. Yeah. I don't think I have. I don't think I've even told it

cause there were two ideas I had that I pitched to Lynx. One was the crocodile one and one was this one. And then she was like, oh, she does more. This is more her style. And so I had it booked forever for like months and I just never really like talked about it or thought about it, and then one day I was like, shit, I have that tattoo tomorrow.

And originally it was just gonna be the lion stretching. And so I was like, oh, it won't be a big deal. And then it ended up into this like, giant masterpiece on my arm. Did you always want it that size, or was this a last minute choice? I did want it that size, I didn't quite envision it and how gigantic it would be,

but I kind of am happy with it now like I like it like it needed to be kind of that big to see it properly. Are you Planning on like a whole half sleeve eventually, I don't know man I guess I wasn't until now and now I'm like well now you gotta fill her out Yeah, I just might have started something that I can't turn back time Allison always tells me she wants to do like a half sleeve or something and I'm like, you don't have a single tattoo. Which I love this energy for her though. But she's like, I will just, I'll just go in one day

and my arms will be covered. But I'm like, what would you even get? I can't, she's such like a, I don't, I don't, I'm thinking like, she's such a logical thinker. That's not to mean like, obviously you're not a logical person if you get a tattoo, but like, she like she's such a logical thinker that's not to mean like obviously you're not a logical person if you get a tattoo but like she like just is such like a like she goes and does excel sheet classes on Saturdays like she goes she takes classes at the Y to learn more about excel sheets she's not like I'm gonna go get a tattoo kind of person she's

not really like the wild child of the she's certainly not impulsive impulsive at all. And I feel like any tattoo I would get would be an impulsive choice. Basically she is the smartest, the sharpest tool in the shed. Yeah, she is. I was just telling Christine before we started recording, she was the kid who asked the teacher about the extra assignments and all the kids probably hated her.

Like, hey, what about the assignment? You didn't ask us to turn it in yet. And all the kids are like, oh, we were hoping she forgot. Or right before she would dismiss the assignment, you didn't ask us to turn it in yet. And all the kids are like, oh, we were hoping she forgot. Or right before, right before she would, you know, she would dismiss the class, Allison would go, teacher, teacher, do we have any homework? Fuck you. That's the kind of person Allison is.

The vein of our existence as children. So I don't, I don't know. I think she just likes the aesthetic. She's, she's currently dabbling with like an identity change and she is, I know her. It's a good thing you bought a wig. My identity is also changing. And we should get her some colored contacts.

No, she, oh, the stupid hair in my mouth. She's a. She. Is that our live show? Are you gonna spit in the microphone the whole night? Cause I feel like people are gonna ask for refunds. TBD. No, she's, I know her like dream aesthetic.

She's always like very socially intimidated by like the cool, there probably used to be emo kids. They've got like very creative half sleeve tattoos. And I'm like, okay, so I think you just like want to be in on that in crowd. But when I think about her with a sleeve, I'm like, I dare you to come up with an idea that you like enough and she like can't come up with one.

So I don't know what's gonna happen. I mean, she can do some of those ones that Eva and I are always buying those like ink box, like that lasts like a week or two, and then you can kind of. That's my own gift to myself after this tour is I'm buying a bunch of stuff on ink box. Well, this is because I can't tolerate,

I know that like as much as I would like a tattoo in a moment, in six months, I'll never want it again. So I'd rather just do the, you know because I can't tolerate, I know that as much as I would like a tattoo in a moment, in six months, I'll never want it again. So I'd rather just do the, you know what I mean? I don't love anything enough to keep it on me permanently. Oh, not even our podcast? Just kidding, that was a misunderstanding. No, I don't think so. Really?

I don't know, if I got a tattoo, it would probably be something like that, because it would hold an actual significance that, cause it would hold like an actual significance for me that I would hold onto. But like, so Eva, for example, she will go to a flash sale like no one's business and she'll just get a random tattoo one day. I would not be able to think like that.

I would have to like really like get in the zone and like come up with the exact thing. Especially for my first one and my first three, it was like, it has to be symbolic, it has to be very, very, very permanent. Like something I know I'm gonna, I was also the same way. Like it took me till my twenties to get a tattoo

because I was like, it has to be really important and I've had to think about it for years. Yeah, and that's not necessarily true, but it is for me that I need to, it needs some matter, matter, matter. By the fourth or fifth one, I started getting a little loosey-goosey with it Allison are you here what the fuck's going on this is the second oh my god

you're here thank God I was like I swear to God there's a ghost Allison come here real quick for the podcast under your head you're getting a tattoo right now. What are you doing? This. Oh, me and a wig. No, you want a you. I was telling her how like you like thought about if you got a tattoo like your toes. pine cones. Oh, pine cones.

That's cute. I like that. Is there a reason? Yeah. It sounds like a boxcar child. I was just like, well, cause I used to pick up pine cones as a kid. Yeah, I get it immediately. You don't have to tell me the reason. I know why you'd get a pine cone. I would love a pine cone tattoo.

Also, she did grow up. She also just said this is that she grew up in an area that was like full of pine trees. Her dad to this day is still trying to chop all of them down. He'll never finish it. She's like, hey dad, remember how much you hate these things? Um, no, anyway, uh, yeah, I don't know what I would get. I know I would want it with blacklight ink. Oh. Because like why not? If you're gonna, if you're gonna get a tattoo, might as well

glow. I guess so. I would like maybe a flux capacitor. Oh that's pretty cool. And it fluxes in black lighting. Yeah I mean that's makes total sense for you yeah. Yeah what's your next one? My next tattoo? Oh I would like to get either my HumHallelujah one of my Fall Out Boy lyrics slash Leonard Cohen slash childhood flowers from my childhood garden. Like this is what I mean. Like I also am like you where I'm like, it has to mean something forever, you know. But then, and that would be on my leg,

but I also want to get a crocodile at some point. But this one was a fricking marathon. So- Was it painful? Not really, no. Okay, that's good. But it was a long day. So I think I'm going to wait a little bit.

And it's expensive. I'm proud of you. It looks very nice. Thank you. I appreciate that. I thought Lynx did a very good job. So if anyone's looking for... Lynx was one of those tattoo artists that I followed for so long, and then she announced

that her books were open, and I had to jump on. I was having post notifications turned on to make sure I didn't miss it. And she finally picked me. You know, Lynx is either a chosen name or Lynx was named by other tattoo artists. Like I feel like- It has very tattoo vibes, doesn't it? Yeah.

There's no way your name is Lynx and you don't do something proper. You don't have tattoos or give them to people. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that part, but pretty cool. Really talented. I will say, and I don't know the answer to that part, but pretty cool, really talented. I will say, and I've told you this before,

this would be the last thing I say. I know we've been going on about tattoos for a little bit. Now you can see that I plan on returning this hat. Let me turn it back. Here comes the tag. If I had to get a tattoo with you, I've said this for sure. It's that I would want to get our little ghosty guys logo

from the tours. I'm so glad you said that because I was telling Lynx all about it. And then when you didn't say it on this one, Lynx is going to be like, oh, Christine, you sucker. Em was never going to get that tattoo with you. So I'm so glad. If I got to, it would either be our,

and that's why we drink logo, or it would be the ghosty guys. I think that would be cute to get like, I would like to get my ghosty guy and you get your skeleton guy and then together they make the ghostie guys. Yeah, I kind of love that idea. And Emma's always said,

well, you have to wait till the podcast is over so that we don't go through a terrible divorce. It's true. I don't want to find out that there's like, I don't want to be tattooed and then like have a bad memory attached to it, you know? I get it, I get it. So don't fuck up, Christine. So when we're 99, we'll get those matching tattoos.

Well, certainly after episode 1,000 or whatever, we just recently promised. Yes, yes, yes Well, certainly after episode 1,000 or whatever, we just recently promised. Yes, yes, yes. Honestly, for our 1,000th episode, I would totally do it. Even if we have a nasty breakup. Well, that's okay. So 600 episodes from now.

We have a nasty breakup and we're still doing recordings at 1,000. We just fucking hate each other now. No, I mean, on episode 1,001, if that's when the feud begins, I'll be okay with it. Oh, I see, you're still happy to have gotten it. Okay. So I'll be like, well, that was a thousand weeks

of my life with somebody. Okay, well, let's remember this moment. I really hate the way we look as we're making this promise for years down the line. But hey, at least we look youthful and our skin is probably glowier than it will be at episode 1,000. It'll certainly be...

We're gonna be getting tatted. It's dewier for sure, yes. It's dewier indeed. Okay, and before we... Well, I guess no, not really. This is our, in That's Why We Drink segment. The reason why I we, well, I guess, no, not really. This is our and that's why we drink segment. The reason why I drink this week, I just want to beat you to it,

is because last night I was at the Queen Mary and I thought of you the whole time. How was it? Well, little Jackie didn't show up and haunt us. So we're in the clear. So it went well. Did you was it the jump scare thingy they do? What is it called? OK, so it used to be called, well, it's okay.

It used to be called. Isn't it Shaq's now? Here's the thing. It used to be called Dark Harbor, which is when it was good. Then it got bought out by Shuckele O'Neil and he turned it into Shaqtober, which I think he was trying to get people

to call it Shaqtober, but like we know your name's fucking Shaq, so that didn't work. I think Shaqtober is actually pretty clever. I'll be honest. From the name, it's been bad. Like Allison and I went the first year, it was Shaqtober, and we were like, we're never coming back here.

It just was not, it was no dark harbor. Well, that's a hard thing to do after it's already been successful, to move on in, rebrand it, and then have people like it as much as they did before. But if I were going to buy a business that's already been successful, to move on in, rebrand it, and then have people like it as much as they did before. But if I were going to buy a business that was already insanely successful, I would be like, okay, I'm just putting my name

on everything and not touching anything. And then every year I'm gonna add one Shaq-themed item until people don't even realize that everything's been swapped out for Shaqtober. The long con. Until everyone's saying, September, Shaqtober, November, and we don't even realize

that he's taken over the whole holiday. But so, yeah, he changed everything. It was like, it felt more like a fair, like fair games, like carnival games the first year. Oh, that's more like my vibe, which probably is not how it was before, yeah. Even the jump scare houses, I mean, maybe we went on a bad day.

Shaquille O'Neal, if you listen to our podcast, I apologize for the- Yeah, what the fuck? Hey Shaq, I'm on your side. I wanna be at this festival. But like the jump scare houses, they existed. Like at this point, they just shouldn't have had jump scare houses

cause the lights were on and literally nobody was home. Okay, I'm literally going to that event. It's the only Halloween event that's ever appealed to me. I wonder if it was supposed to be like an intro jump scare attraction for like kids or something. But like truly it was like, first of all, the line like or not the line, the the attraction itself, like walking

through it was like maybe like a 30 second attraction and the entire time one person would like stand there and kind of wave like not do anything scary. And the lights truly were like it was not good. So then I think everyone kind of felt the same way because Shaqtober is out and Dark Harbor bought it again this year. Oh, oh Shaq's gone. Shaq. He barely stood a chance.

He yeah, it did not land. And so after he left Dark Harbor bought it again, which I would love to know the drama for why they even sold it to begin with. They brought it back and I think they were like, okay, now we're really gonna let everybody know this is not your fucking Shaqtober event and we're gonna fuck it up. And it was the best version of Dark Harbor.

Like even old Dark Harbor doesn't compete. So they like topped themselves. Wait, what if this was all a marketing ploy? They were like, let's pretend Shaq bought it and made it really shitty so that next year it seems extra good by comparison. Can you imagine the meeting they had with Shaq of like, okay, here's the thing. No, but what if Shaq wasn't even involved? What if they just pretended the whole time and everyone was like, and they were like, maybe it was actually shock the whole time. That's what I'm saying. It was shocked over.

Shaq had nothing to do with it. That was just a coincidence. Interesting. I mean, his face was everywhere, but that's AI obviously. Maybe they just like, maybe that was just a coincidence. Interesting. I mean, his face was everywhere, but that's AI, obviously. I was gonna say, maybe that was just a really good lookalike. Well, yeah, so they ended up, I mean, I missed some of the jump scare attractions that they had. My only complaint is back then that they had like nine jump scares and now they only have five. But the five are like twice as long. Like the first one we did was like a 10 minute walkthrough.

Like you just, it just kept going. And at some point I was like, are we still, like when does it end? When does this end? How long are they usually? In my mind they lasted six hours. I don't recall the actual time. Two or three minutes or something.

In my brain, every one of those events took like hours to get through. No, this, I mean, there were, these were so long that I actually like pulled out my phone at one point and I was like pulled out my phone at one point. And I was like, oh my God, I forgot I'm still in this stupid thing. Like I just forgot.

Let me check my stocks real quick. It was just, it just kept going and it was all really good too. So anyway. Well that's good, okay. That's a plus. I was there, it was fun. I got to look at it.

There were signs everywhere about Jackie who apparently they call Scary Mary instead of Jackie. Well, that's kind of rude. Whatever. Anyway, the Queen Mary says hi. Hello. Why do you drink? Ahoy, I say back. Oh, I'll let her know.

I drink just because of Grumpy Toad and how I'm trying to scramble together as if I have... I literally, we were at Target and I said, look, a Spidey costume. Wouldn't that be easy and fun to wear? and how I'm trying to scramble together as if I have, I literally, we were at Target and I said, look, a Spidey costume, wouldn't that be easy and fun to wear? And she said, no, I'm grumpy toed. And then she looked around and said,

I can't find the grumpy toed costumes anywhere. And I was like, oh girl. I know, that's tough. And so now I have to fucking hand make a grumpy toed costume. And I'm like, how, that's my wine I drink for Halloween. It does seem like she just has to paint herself green and wear a hat and some glasses.

Yeah, I... And eat cupcakes. But you know I'm gonna have to just make it look as close as I can. Like, I'm not gonna have, I can't have ass any... Who wants to see, that's just a frog onesie and you just get a hat and glasses, right? Don't even worry, I've got it all figured out.

I've got a whole, I've got the green body paint. I've got the glasses, I've got the felt spots paint. I've got the glasses. I've got the felt spots. I've got the, whatchamacallit, black paint for the frown. I've got cupcakes she can hold. I'll have to send her more cupcakes because if she's looking for more, I gotta make sure that she- I guess you better send them,

you can just address them to me. I'll make sure they get where they need to go. No, they're spicy, you won't like them. They're very hot. Hot. Very hot. Very hot. I'm very excited. What are you going to be? Are you going to be anything in an accompaniment? You know, I'll be honest, I don't know,

because I've been so trying to figure out this one. Well, as of this morning, and then trying to figure out the one for the live show also as of this morning. And so I've kind of been like not thinking in real Halloween terms, which is a little silly because I don't think I could be very well be a crime. If we're already explaining Grumpy Toad to all our neighbors, I don't need to be explaining

partnering time to everybody. So I think I'm just gonna probably do the classic witch and hand out candy, honestly. Beautiful, beautiful. Thanks. I will be a witch this weekend because I'm going to a witch themed bachelorette party. Oh my gosh, that's so fun. I know, so I'm very excited to have a little-

How cute is that? Okay, well, I can't wait for photos of that also. Anyway, well, that's actually, thank you. That's also why I didn't have a costume for this because I was like between the live shows and that I already have two costumes I don't wanna do. Yeah, well that's actually, thank you. That's also why I didn't have a costume for this because I was like between the live shows and that I already have two costumes I don't want to do a show. Yeah and then try adding a child

who wants to be a fucking angry frog. Good for her. I know. One day I'll love it. Do you drink water this week, Christine? You know, I got my old standby, Pompel Moose. Pompel Moose LaCroix. You remember those good old days, huh?

What do you have? I have my Eggle, which is an Earl Grey Lavender Latte, but we call it Eggle because it always says Eggle. Eggle, I do like that it says Eggle on the sign. We were going with Eagle for a while, but that didn't really work. Eggle is, Eggle's good. Yeah, so anyway, I got my Eggle.

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which it's named Cell Block in homage for the fact that it used to be a prison. So in 1801. I'm gonna do the Cell Block Tango in the Cell Block Nightclub. Honestly, if they don't every Friday night during closing time. You've got to know they have to. Are you fucking kidding me? The amount of requests I'm sure do the Cell Block Tango in the Cell Block nightclub. Honestly, if they don't every Friday night during closing time. You've got to know they have to. Are you fucking kidding me?

The amount of requests I'm sure they get for the DJ, you know they're like, okay fine, we'll give in one time a week. You know they probably have that one drunk girl every night who thinks that she has the most original fucking idea. But she's the bride, so it's like, we have to listen to her. Let me just say,

Cell Block Tango would be a great play. Yeah, I have the best idea ever. Do you remember that musical? Yeah, we remember. Yeah, girl, we did it five minutes ago, actually. And by the way, I'd eat it up every time. If I knew that they were gonna play at a certain time every week, I would be there.

We would just eat a bowl of ice cream and walk in at that moment just to watch it happen and then leave. In Virginia, there's our country radio show or yeah, the radio station that plays country music. Every day at five o'clock, it plays the Star Spangled Banner. Oh good. I was like, oh, you probably something really fun. Oh, never mind. And then it also plays Finally Friday, which which is, and then they like, it's the Finally Friday song is very fun.

I think George more clever, but like the Star Spangled Banner. That's the honor. The why? Why five? Like, it's not clever. I don't get it. Because it's when everyone gets out of work and it's a good way to start the rest of your freedom.

I don't know. Jesus Christ. Okay. Anyway, so, but some people tune in every, I have a friend who she would ironically tune in every day at five just to make sure that she gave it the old salute. Gave it the old off work salute. All right. So I would do that with the cell block tango at this bar. I'd be like, if you tell me Thursday at 4.30, I'll be here Thursday at 4.30. I mean, I get it. I would join you for the hell of it.

We're traveling back to 1801 at the very start of this. And this is, I don't know if I said this already, this is in Pennsylvania. And the original prison was the Williamsport County Prison built 1801. It had two stories to it. It had about a dozen cells. This is the hair is just coming out already. This is just going to be so disgusting.

Wig from someone who's lying about their eye color. Trust me as I blink at a blue, green, brown, gray eye. Trust me. I know how to look natural. Okay. Perfect for you. Okay. It's perfect for you. Okay, it's the Williamsport County prison, two stories, a dozen cells, which does not feel like a lot of cells to me, but I guess in 1801,

there was like five people who lived there. And the building also had housing in the front for the sheriff and his family, which as we now know is the standard of the time, still so freaky to me when I think about it. What? That there's always housing in front of the prison. Oh, for living me and when I think about it as a concept. Wait, same again. That there's always housing in front of the person for their.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always weird to me that they just live, like on the other side of the wall is just like, some inmates. Yeah, it feels like a very old. And like you're a little kid. It feels like a very old timey thing, like people would live above their businesses,

but this feels like a little too far, you know? Like I get if like the, even the Dean of a university living on campus is a little weird to me still. But like, this feels like you're too close to, you know, don't, what do they say? Don't shit on where you eat. Oh yeah.

And I feel like this is breaking that rule. Especially when you're a little kid, imagine you grow up and you're like, oh yeah, the inmates and I would wave through the bars. Like what? Yeah, we were like playing Jacks through the barbed wire. They taught me how to gamble in the back corner by the showers. Yeah, they had me bring cigarettes to the corner. I was actually a mule.

Hang on, this actually sounds fun. Nevermind. I like it. I like it again. No, I imagine the stories are crazy of kids who were raised in jail or next to a jail. So, after the Civil War, Williamsport had a boom in people and that includes ruffians and criminals. No, you don't say.

Those dozen cells I was talking about earlier as predicted were not enough, so they had to rebuild. Uh-oh. And they were thinking about rebuilding. They were like, you know what, maybe we should add that on the to do list for next year. Let's talk about it next quarter. I'm sure it's exactly the words they used. Quarter. And conveniently, the jail actually caught on fire and was

it was such a bad fire that the building was like severely damaged and they had to tear it down. And they were like, well, we might as well. They're like, this is a great place for another jail that we were already talking about. So the it got torn down in 1867. And they were like, well, we might as well. They're like, this is a great place for another jail that we were already talking about. Damn. So it got torn down in 1867. It was rebuilt in 1868. And because I know you eat it up,

it was rebuilt for $139,440. Oh, sorry, $139,440 and 87 cents. And that was in 1868. Somebody was like, somebody took an Excel class with Alison. Oh, sorry, $139,440.87. And that was in 1868. Somebody took an Excel class with Alison, was like, I know it to the cent. The Alison of Williamsport County said, the 87 cents matters.

Teacher, teacher. And I obviously looked up the inflation for you and that in today's world is just over $3.2 million and 86 cents. Okay, that's a good chunk of change. And it could still only hold up to 100 inmates. So which Okay, it feels I feel like because we live in the US of a

insert eagle screech. I feel like not eagle. Don't be confused with eagle. Not this. Not this yummy little divine piece of glory. This one. Um, I feel like, uh, since we just have like a large and corrupt

federal system prison system, I'm used to like only massive buildings that hold hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people. So it's, uh, when they rebuilt for it to only hold a hundred people at best, I'm like, Oh, that's interesting. They were, they were very optimistic, you know, yeah. I was like, how many, I was like, instead of 12 cells, is that like what? 10 more? Like, so anyway, they rebuilt. That's fewer spots, that's fewer places. That's fewer They rebuilt fewer spot. That's fewer places. That's your Rooms than the frickin margaritaville that's opening up here in

2026 like I think they're gonna have like 300 some rooms. That's it. This that's that's wild. Yeah I'm happy to know margaritaville is still thriving somewhere because ours and Fredericksburg got taken down Oh, no, we had we had a five o'clock somewhere. I think maybe they're moving in here because it's gonna be the full Shebang resort for restaurants. Yeah, I'm coming opening night. somewhere, I think. Maybe they're moving in here because it's going to be the full shebang resort for restaurants. Yeah, I'm coming opening night. Well, I know you're like, you know that I'm just booking you there now and you stay right, because it's walking distance from my house. Oh, well, triangulate yourself more. We've had this discussion already about the neon toucan in my window

or whatever the fuck neon parrot. OK, so 100 people can be there at best out of those a hundred people, or I guess it was around for like over a hundred years. So certainly held more than a hundred people at some point. There were seven hangings here when there was a death row. And eventually the seven hangings, they were like, okay we're done with hangings.

And everyone did a sigh of relief because they thought that meant like no more death row. And they were just kidding. We've actually just installed an electric chair. So then there were electric chair deaths. Oh, no. Of the seven who died by hanging six were men. One was a woman. I will say fun fact, one of those six men who was hanged and the woman, they were executed together because they both were incarcerated for being in love, having an affair, and murdering her husband so they could be together. Holy shit.

And that woman who was hanged was the last woman to be hanged in Pennsylvania history. Really? Really. So eventually executions did stop here altogether, and then everyone did a sigh of relief because, oh, executions are done. Nope, it just got sent over to bigger prisons.

So if you got executed, they just transferred you or if you were going to be executed. And eventually it just became a smaller and smaller county jail, probably because it fucking was so small. But I will say that's at least a change of pace for the stories I usually do because they start as small jails

and then just like turn into these mega complexes. They like start adding and adding and adding, yeah. Yeah, this time around they were like, okay, let's just move people out. And I think that's because the conditions were getting so bad that they were kind of gradually pushing people out anyway. Oh, okay.

So in 1977, the inmates actually sued the county for how bad the conditions were of this jail, which how does that even happen? That's wild. I mean, I'm sure you have to find that feels like I'm rewatching Better Call Saul. That feels like a very Saul Goodman case to take on. Love that show. I'll defend you, you know. Five years later, a new jail was built nearby.

So this jail that I've been talking about closed in the 80s. Okay. Because it started as that first Williamsport County one, then it got rebuilt after the fire to be the Lycoming County jail. And now it's closed. And it's been a few businesses, but none of them really stayed very long. And then in 2001... I wonder what business you can make out of an old jail with 100 cells, like a hotel, I guess. I feel like if you're not doing something that you lean into the architecture, it's not worth it.

You can't just have a boutique store. Well, you're right. I was going to say a hotel, but then I was like, wait a minute. No, there's not even like, probably running... There's probably not even... Yeah, the conditions were that bad. There's jail cells. There's bars.

Yeah, and you have to totally... If you're going You have to, yeah, and you have to totally, if you're gonna do things like running water and air conditioning and shit, like you have to totally renovate the place. So why even do it? Yeah, I wonder what business, I mean, clearly they didn't work, so. I was thinking what would be a very interesting take on it

is like a library, like a big, like a big Gothic bookshop. Yeah, some other sort of federal building where it's like, now we just have books in here. Yeah. I have heard of prisons becoming schools, LOL. Oh yeah, I have heard that as well because the structures kind of look the same sometimes

where it's like, cool, we're just all trapped in here. All the emo kids when they're like, my life is a prison. It's like, bitch, you're in a prison. But so anyway, it became a few things, I guess none of them panned out, but in 2001 it was sold to become the Cell Block Nightclub, which I appreciate the homage to the original name, or to the prison history.

I do too, and I guess I had forgotten about the nightclub aspect, and now I'm thinking that's actually the perfect thing to turn it into. Because you just turn the lights off, no one can see anything. Literally you turn the lights off and you make everyone side a waiver because if they bang their shins on all those bars They're gonna break something. That's very true. And I guess the only running water you need is I guess well There's a I'm sure there's a kitchen in the back or some things Maybe it they had to do some sort of cleanup if they wanted to be able to cook food and serve drinks in a prison, I guess.

But it was nothing compared to like making it a living space. Like with a bar and everything. Yeah. One of the things I found this as like an interesting take from one of the sources I read that the nightclub, one of the ways that they wanted to make sure that they would guarantee not failing as a business, like some of the others before them had, they decided, well, instead of focusing on just one group of people, they were going to, quote, aim for intergenerational clientele. And so by even though, yes, it's a nightclub, they wanted there to be a different type of drinking experience

for every group of people. So they have actually four bars under one roof. Oh, okay. So it's almost like a choose your own adventure type thing. Yes, so they have the main nightclub. So that's usually like the younger people. Then for the older people, they have an Irish pub. Okay.

Which I thought was fun. They named it McMullan's because the owner's grandmother, her last name was McMullin, or she was an Irish woman whose last name was McMullin, and she actually ran a true actual speakeasy. And so they're like reclaiming the name of like, this is the actual bar you would have run if you didn't have to run a speakeasy.

So cool. And then there is a space for live bands and live performances, literally called the Gallows, because it's where the Gallows used to be. Oh, yikes. But also, how fucking like emo punk rock is that? I was gonna say, but how badass. Like, oh, this weekend at the Gallows,

like headlining at the Gallows, you know? Come to the Raceway for the gallows performance. And then it's 5 p.m. We got a Star-Spangled Banner coming in hot as we gather around the gallows. It really warms you up for the rest of the night because nothing else could be as slow. Oh, certainly not, no.

And then the fourth one is there's a patio courtyard area and it's a tiki bar. So there's a little bit of everything for everyone. What town is this again? I'm sorry, Pennsylvania. Like homing Pennsylvania. Okay. And so yes, there's got a nightclub, Irish pub, tiki bar

and a live band area. Which one would you pick? I love that question. It's like, which Sex and the City character are you? Yeah, it's like choose your, oh, by the way, I got labeled as fucking, they did a poll for the BTU Sandy listeners and by a landslide, guess who I got?

Carrie. No. Hmm. What's the other one? Not Samantha. No. I mean, one of the other two that I feel really bad for you for.

Which one? Say their names, because I don't remember. Oh, I originally guessed Charlotte and you said no. Yeah, that's what everyone said. Wow. So I don't get it. I don't know who she is. I just thought she was like the really like. She's the one with a lot of anxiety.

Oh, I mean, they all kind of have anxiety. But OK, all right. OK, so you did mention that that does fit. I thought it was just like she's just like the very anti-gay one or something and I was like, no be that one She's I mean, she's just um, she's the irony which I told you last time. We said this in patreon, but I will say um, I socially I think you're a charlotte. I don't I don't Maybe agree with that in all realms of your life. But I don't know what that means. I have no idea.

Well, Charlotte is, like, the prude of the group. Yeah, that's why I was annoyed, I think. Because I'm like, I mean... I don't know. Maybe I'm a prude. Yeah, you're no Charlotte 100% of the time. Okay, got it, got it, got it. Okay, I'm glad you can confirm that. Because maybe I was worried I was having an identity crisis

and I was, like, a huge prude and I just didn't know. Did you, like, go to Blaze and you're like, -"Am I a Charlotte?" -"Yes!" I was like, help me! And then he was like a huge prudent, I just didn't know. Did you like go to Blaze and you're like, I'm not a Charlotte? Yes, I was like, help me. And then he was like, why are you wearing that fuzzy bucket hat and those weird glasses? You freak. You said, cause I'm about to investigate something.

And I said, that's all I needed to know. No, I can't. And then I said, take a look at my contacts. I have purple eyes. There's something wily to me, don't you think? That's like me trying to like overcompensate for being called a Charlotte. I'm like, no, look how crazy I am.

No, I'm a partner in crime. I'm a timecode partner in crime. Yeah, come on. Inspector Gadget very much. I, as a third party who knows you, you are not a Charlotte all the time. Okay, okay. I do think in social spaces,

you have the initial freak outs that she does. Okay, okay, that helps so much, thank you. Because all of a sudden I just saw everyone going, oh, she's obviously a Charlotte, there's no question. And I was like, what does it mean? What does it mean? So thank you, that clears it up for me.

Because yes, I'm highly anxious in most scenarios. So yes, that's a fail. You also need a lot of explanation for a lot of things that other people don't. And Charlotte does that too, where she's of things that other people don't. And I think Charlotte does that too, where she's like, explain, I don't understand. I don't understand. And I feel like I'm just stupid. That's stupid. I think you know, I have a complex about being considered stupid. So I was going to put you on the spot and be like, Oh, so you think I'm stupid?

And I went, no, that's not what I think. And I don't think Charlotte was stupid. She was actually known to be like, I think she was an Ivy leaguer. It's just like, she was just, like she's like also from like a rich family. And I think because she's so like prim and proper, the wiles of the sex world scare her. Because she's like, she's very conservative. She's the most conservative of the group.

Yeah, I know, that's what makes me annoyed. Well. I mean, listen, the people have spoken, okay? I'm not gonna be like, I'm fighting back. If that's what I am, that's what I am. Maybe I just have to watch the show and figure it out. No, she just doesn't understand things she hasn't experienced.

And I think they wrote her that way though, so that way they have to explain to the audience. I think she's the audience's confusion of things. Great. I don't know. Listen, it's not your fault. Apparently this is how I live my life. I mean, you are wearing a pearl necklace,

which is like one of her staples. Which is also giving me hives, and I've also saved the return sticker so I can bring it back to Target. So I don't think that that's a very Charlotte move. She probably has a real one. Certainly not. She would never go to a Target.

I can't be trusted with real jewelry. Well, so sorry, to answer your question on which of the four bars I would be, I like to think if someone's, I think my identity is, my identity, I feel like people would assume I'm more nightclub energy. I don't know.

Well, what energy do you think I am? Do you think I'm nightclub? So there's an Irish pub, live music, nightclub and a tiki bar? Yeah. I would guess tiki bar for you. But that's also because I feel like you've been to a lot recently and there've been a few opening near you.

So it might just be like the proximity effects. They are surrounding me. I'm not surrounding them. I think it's more of a proximity effect. And then you told me you like coconut and pineapple recently. So that kind of played into it. I do, there's- But I think energy wise, you strike me as nightclub energy.

I think everyone would say, not every, I think a lot of people would say that, but I aspire to have Irish pub energy, but not in like a, I want to get fucked up Irish guy. More like I sit in the corner of an Irish pub and eat my shepherd's pie and everyone leaves me alone. Right. And you're like in the, in the aesthetic of an Irish pub and eat my shepherd's pie and everyone leaves me alone. Right, and you're like in the aesthetic of the Irish pub. Yeah, I get you.

Like, have you been to Lafitte's pub? Yes, yeah. Like that kind of, yeah, an old ass haunted Irish pub. That's where I wanna be too. Yes. I think I would be there with you. I think, thank you. But I do think you give gallows energy.

The full-line show. Finally, a label I like. You're like if Charlotte took a bunch of drugs and went to the Gallows, like that would be quite an episode. Okay, I mean, listen, say no more, here I come. I mean, but I also think that's because I associate you with live shows.

Oh, that makes sense. And I do go to a lot of live concerts. So maybe, I think I would probably go to the outdoor thing and then I'd be like, I'm hot and tired. I wanna go sit inside with Em and eat a shepherd's pie. A shepherd's pie, yeah. Okay, good to know.

In the bedroom, which are you? No, I'm just kidding. In bed, no, let's just eat a shepherd's pie in bed, like you do with a fortune cookie. Yeah, no, I wanna eat a lot of pineapple and coconut in bed. Oh, we could just add in the gallows, That's a fun twist. Now that's in the gallows.

I'm watching a live band in the gallows. Please take my hand in the gallows. But it's really hot out here in the gallows. I want to go eat a shepherd's pie. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This has been live at the gallows. Now, everybody take off your hats and salute. Put your hands on your hearts. Let's sing to release the Eagles.

Okay. We're starting the Star Spangled Banner. Okay. I'm just gonna pick one. There we go, it's a rock show. What was it? What was the sound? It's so good. In, in, the gallows. In, in, the gallows.

Oh yeah, in, the gallows. In, in, the gallows. Um, I didn't know that, that was perfectly timed. I've never played that one in my entire life. That one never stops. It goes on forever. Good to know. I wish't know that I that was perfectly timed. I have I've never played that one in my That one never stops. It goes on forever. I wish I did that. Super glad during your whole song set you just did. Yeah, you know what? That would have been useful. Probably. Okay.

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Paid client testimonial. Compensation provides incentive to positively promote Acorns. Investing involves risk. Acorns advisors LLC and SEC registered investment advisor. View important disclosures at acorns.com slash drink. Anyway, so those are the four. And of course, this place is haunted. So of the ghosts here, the most common character we hear about is a former inmate named William

Hummel. Apparently, there's other ghosts here, like the the woman who was, they assume it's the woman who was hanged here. They hear her crying and screaming sometimes. Casual stuff. But the main ghost is definitely William. So here's the story of William. He was born 1848.

He never learned to read or write, which does come up later. I love that that's the first fucking thing in his bio. He was born in the 1840s and he's an illiterate dummy. He can't read a fucking book, so let's talk about it. So he never learns to read or write. I don't know how common that was in 1840s. I imagine that's probably a norm,

like a relatively normal, it's not like probably a shocking thing to anybody. Yeah, it was certainly not, it was probably less surprising than it is today. I'm gonna assume. At 15, he fought in the Civil War. And then he- That's also less shocking, but then at 15, he fought in the Civil War. And then he- Same, that's also less shocking, but then.

At 15, he fought in the Civil War, yeah. And I don't know what side he was on. I don't know, it was Pennsylvania, the end. He ended up coming back. He settled in Montgomery, which is Pennsylvania. And apparently the area at the time was so bad ass. I don't know why they changed it to Montgomery. It was called Black Hole Valley.

Are you kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me? That sounds like the basement of the nightclub. Like that sounds like another room, like choice five that's off menu. I'm in the Black Hole Valley in the gallows. BHV, that sounds like a disease. So maybe that's it with the money. If you say it all at once, it sounds cool.

So, uh, he was married four times. Um, and the first one, so the first three, they say like, oh, they just, it just didn't work out and he dumped them or something. But one source did say the first one disappeared under mysterious circumstances. So that, uh, oh, I don't know what that, I, I don't know what it means, but one of them maybe disappeared under mysterious circumstances. So that, uh-oh, I don't know what that, I don't know what it means, but one of them maybe disappeared under mysterious circumstances. The other two, they just broke it off.

It sounds like that was his doing, not theirs. I'm not totally sure. And then the last one, his fourth wife was a young widow with three kids. And they got married and a week later, he literally ax murders them. What the fuck? A weekend. And the neighbors only I mean they only realize this because the

neighbors realize that she hasn't been around for a while which like a while a week like I like how they were like it's been seven days since she's moved here and I haven't seen her. Oh my god But again, it was a small town and everyone was probably nosy because there was nothing else to do in the town before Wi-Fi And they were like, I haven't seen her walk past my window in seven days Let's organize a search party and they did really like I was like Betty and I were marking like what different colored Stocking she was wearing because we wanted to gossip about it. Is she a harlot? Like what's the vibe?

I mean, she's certainly a harlot. I think we can all agree. And so, well, so they organize a search party. I'm a Charlotte, she's a harlot. Sorry. That's beautiful. You know what? The writers of Sex and City are kicking and screaming that they never wrote an episode called Charlotte the Harlot. And it's just at the end you find out it was all a dream.

And she woke up in her country club with her pearl necklace and all of her money was there. She woke up on her fainting couch and was like, oh my, that was close, close one. And so that was beautiful. Charlotte the harlot. Thank you so much. They organized a search party. It does work out that they were so nosy because they were like, where the fuck is this girl?

And also, maybe they were like she had like three kids. Maybe they were like, oh, God, we haven't heard them recently. Right. And I'm not giving I feel like I'm not giving them enough credit. I'm sure they were concerned about this woman not just looking for the colors of her stockings. But yes, I would I would worry if I were them. Well, they end up doing a search party. I guess they didn't have to look that far because it seems like they were just on

like the next door neighbor's property. But they found her and the two of her three, the two older kids bodies under a under a haystack on the nearby farm. Jesus, they're always doing it under a haystack. These killers. The worst material to hide a body, cause the hay is gonna like wilt so quickly. And the bugs can still get in like, ugh.

And the moisture, like it's just gonna bleed through, I mean literally bleed through. Like it's, you're gonna notice. But I guess you use hay like straw for drying stuff out, so maybe it's like, oh you're drying. I don't know, I mean, I don't know. What the fuck do I know? Look at me.

Do I look like I know anything about a fucking straw and hay? Partner in crime, partner in time, crime traveler. So they ended up finding them. Maybe like honestly, like when he killed them, he was like, no one's going to suspect that they're gone for a long time and that'll give me time to dry them out in the hay and then move them. But his neighbors were like, it's been seven days and we're going to find her body.

They find her and her two oldest kids. Hummel is immediately arrested and while locked up, he tells the sheriff named Sheriff Gamble. He says, do you believe in ghosts? And he was like, I guess. First of all, why are they talking to each other? Why are they just making small talk? I don't understand. But he was like, oh, do you believe in ghosts?

And the sheriff goes, yeah, maybe. And then William Hummel goes, oh, good, because my wife's spirit came to me last night and she wants me to write a letter for her. But also I can't write. So I need you to just write what I say down and you would be writing her testimony in favor of me when the trial happens.

Okay, okay. So he's saying, oh, she wants to drop all the charges from the afterlife. Yes, exactly. Okay, got it. So she actually, I'm innocent and she wants to be, she wants to confirm that for you. Right, and here's her manifesto. Write it down, please. Also, I can't write down my own fucking manifesto

where I'm lying on behalf of my dead wife. Right, and she can't write it, because, you know, I ax murdered her. So why don't you write it instead? Because you have nothing better to do, Sheriff. So he starts talking, just saying what apparently his ghost wife told him when she came to visit his cell that night. And this later became known in court as the spirit letter.

And so Hummel dictates the spirit letter and Sheriff Gamble writes it down, which I feel like he only wrote it down so he could take it to the bar the next day and go, this is the dumbest thing that's happened to me at work. Which bar? Certainly the Gallows. Okay, there's no doubt, right? Unless it was like the corner of and go, this is the dumbest thing that's happened to me at work. Which bar? Certainly the Gallows. Okay, there's no doubt, right?

Unless it was like the corner of the pub, the Irish pub, and they were like, Actually, this feels like an Irish pub thing. I feel like a police bar in an Irish pub. Yeah, like in the corner. In a Venn diagram together. Yeah, they get their usual spot and all that, yeah. Okay, so it's basically a testimony

from his wife's ghost, claiming his innocence. The spirit claims that her husband absolutely was not involved in the murder. It was actually a man named Harry Smith and he was from a neighboring town and he killed the family for $200. And, uh, the, and then Hummel was saying, Oh, and my, my wife also told me, um, that Harry killed them with an axe that he bought on November 18th, but they were murdered on November 16th. So he got his own day.

He murdered his family wrong. Yeah. Okay. And also just the thought like, Oh, now that she's in the afterlife, she knows where and when he made this purchase with his debit card. Like why would that even be relevant to her in the afterlife after being killed? But whatever. I'm sure it was one of those things where he was clearly on. Yeah. Boulevard. Like, what are you talking about? He went to food lion. He went into the back. He

talked to Jerry and butchers. And yeah, like it's that thing where like when you're lying, you like you have way too much information. Yes. Like you're trying so hard to prove that you're like, oh, I can keep saying things. Yeah. And so he, she, he ended up saying that she knows everything about him, including the fact that he bought the weapon two days after I was already dead. Right. Good job. Then at some point, I think he got his own like wires crossed. And now he was talking as if the spirit speaking to him

was Harry and not his actual wife. So now he's speaking like- Oh, so Harry's also there? Okay. So it's so confusing because Harry who didn't but allegedly killed the family, who's alive, why is his spirit now also- Okay, I was gonna say he's not dead, right?

Okay. No, he's just, I don't even know if he's a real fucking person. Like, we don't even... With a name like Harry Smith. Yeah. Um, but he just starts speaking as if he is... Honestly, like, he's fucking the killer.

It's almost like he forgot that he was, like, playing a character of his wife and he just started confessing. It's almost like he started confessing and then he's like, -"Oh, that wasn't me confessing anything that I oh. But it's not me, it's Harry. That wasn't me confessing anything that I did. That was me confessing on behalf of the killer who is alive and also actually doesn't maybe exist. Okay.

Do you know what I mean? This makes it so hard to follow. Yeah, no, I mean, it is, but like, I get it, but like in real life, I'm like, you're an idiot. Not to you, this guy, but yes. This is a quote he literally said, and then I'm sure the cop was like, are you confessing to this fucking murder?

And he was like, no, no, no, this is a whole other ghost that actually also visited me. And he's alive and he's very much real. Yeah, and he got the weapon two days ago. From Menards, yeah, we know. This is a quote from him speaking on behalf of somebody, allegedly. Okay.

I liked the baby, but was afraid that people might hear her cry while I was driving away. So I knocked it in the head and killed it and took it and buried it. What the fuck? And then he went, oh, that wasn't me by the way. That was not my wife also,

but a different ghost who's not a ghost. And he liked the baby. Come on. Yeah. That's so twisted. He was like, I didn't want to kill the baby, but I was afraid she'd cry. But like oops, I did anyway.

While I was murdering, so then I had to kill her. It's not my fault. That's insane. That He was like, I didn't want to kill the baby, but I was afraid she'd cry while I was murdering, so then I had to kill her. It's not my fault. That's insane. That I had to kill her. Also, I didn't kill her. Like, this guy's not so... But I'm hairy, remember? Right. Right.

What? So then nine days later, after this whole spirit letter was dictated for him, or transcribed for him, William Hummel then goes to the sheriff again and says, I actually need you to add more information to the letter. And gambles like by all means, like the guys at the bar had a great time last time.

Let's see where this takes us. Yeah, we'll add your amendments, go ahead. And he said, well, the spirit actually knows where the baby's body is hidden because he only found my wife and two step kids. Oh no, so he's like, how do I get them to find the other body? Oh, I know, the ghost of Harry will tell them through me.

Oh, he's so dumb. He said with this new found intel, it would clear him since knowing the location of a body is something only the actual killer would know. And it's like, yeah, bro, you know, because you are the actual killer. What in the fuck? But he was like, oh, if I tell you it's on behalf of somebody else,

then obviously be innocent. Yes. But like, why would I know it? Yes. Well, because someone just told me it's not my fault. And again, about information being very specific. This is what he said. You tell me if this is like not obviously someone who knows the exact location of a body. Yeah, I wonder. I wonder what I'll think, but go ahead and tell me. You will find the body in the Hummel's barn, six feet from the southeast door, one foot

behind the horse, and one and a half from the south wall, buried with its face down, covered over with flat stones taken from the wall. God damn! God damn, but also isn't that like... that's not a guess. That's a full knowledgeable admission. If you were getting that information via Ouija board, that would take 15 minutes to type out, to like write out. Like what do you mean a ghost told you that?

And if you miss one letter, you gotta start all over again. Oh my gosh. You gotta figure out where the spaces are. That's insane, I'm sorry. And then they put the baby face down and like specified that, yikes. So then the sheriff went to that location, found the baby's body in exactly that spot.

And then he went back to the jail and was like, we found the body. And then William Hummel was like, yay, the spirit was right. I can't believe it, I'm a real psychic medium. I'm a psychic medium, so now I already have job security when I get out of here. And also I'm getting out of here, yay. And also I'm growing spiritually,

like you would not believe. Oh my God, this fucking guy. And so, uh oh, sorry William, you read the room wrong. He was immediately pronounced guilty after like two minutes or something from the jury. And then he was also ultimately hanged. His last meal fun fact was steak and eggs with toast and coffee.

Okay, at least that's normal. Like, I feel like half the time we talk about our last meal, it's like a bite of an upside down apple. Literally, it's like it's it's a mini muffin from the prison cafeteria. Like, really? Yeah. Can we be a little more creative? After he was hanged, he was buried in the cornfield that belonged to the neighbor. This is like such a weird I don't, the neighbor approved of this by the way. But-

That would be wild if they didn't, but go ahead. Oh, right, yeah. But he was buried in the cornfield that belonged to his neighbor, but this is the same neighbor whose haystacks he buried his family under. Like when William killed these people and then hid them under haystacks.

Oh, oh, so he meant he buried them on the neighbor's property. Yeah. So the oh, oh, so he buried them on the neighbor's property. Yeah. So the neighbor found out, oh, you buried your family under my haystacks and now you're dead. So like, let's just add the rest of your, or let's add you to the pile?

I wonder if he thought it was like some sort of like poetic justice of like, oh, you thought the family would never be found, but they were, now your body is stuck here. Like, that's all I can think of. That's super weird. I wonder why, yeah, that's very strange. So immediately after he was buried, though,

people started hearing voices and footsteps back at the jail that he was incarcerated in. To a point, I mean, like the voices and footsteps were so fucking loud and all the time that people were not even rumoring anymore. They were like, what if he's like not dead? Like, what if he's actually in his cell? People were freaking out that like, it was so...

obviously the sounds. Were there people in his cell also? No. Oh, it was empty. They were just like, something's going on over there that's like, he's obviously over there. Even though everyone, hundreds of people watched him die. Well, and I'll be honest too, like, I feel like in that situation,

you as a person who lives in this prison would know the sound of mice. You would know the sound of people fucking with you or scratching or snoring or whatever. So like if you're like, no, I swear to God, I hear that guy that was used to be there. Like, I would believe you. Not only were the inmates freaked out, but the people like the correctional officers were freaked out. Yikes. And like even though they couldn't see him, they were like, I fucking hear something so clear.

And it started like getting around town and it got so many people freaked out that they literally like what's the right word? After they dug him out, they interred. Wait, wait, they dug him up. Oh, they exhumed the body. Exhumed, exhumed. They literally exhumed his body just to make sure his body was underground because the sounds were so scary.

And then he went, he walked right back into his prison cell. He's like, I'm out. So I know what to do. I'll go back to jail. No, he I mean, it was apparently like there's actually there was a newspaper article that was saying like by candlelight or by lantern. They like it was literally kind of a horror movie. And they're like, we redug his body, 30 or 40 people literally looked at his dead body and all confirmed with each other like,

yes, do you see the dead body? I see the dead body. And then they just put him back in the ground. Jesus. But there were sounds that crazy for a long time in the jail. Of course, that section of the prison is now the gallows. Ah, I see, I see. Which is why it's called the gallows. And it's where the stage is in the jail. Of course, that section of the prison is now the gallows. Ah, I see, I see. Which is why it's called the gallows. And it's where the stage is in the nightclub. Of course.

Or in the live show. It's where the stage where the live bands perform. Okay. Now as a club, people still report hearing voices and footsteps here. People also hear whistling from the basement, which is where Death Row was. Oh, cute. That's a good combo. Whistling from Death Row. Whistling from Death Row at 3 a.m. And when people go down there,

they feel an evil, dark presence. The staff often refuse to go down there by themselves and the public is not allowed and paranormal vascares aren't allowed down there either. People also see black mists downstairs. Shadow figures start around the corners and kids say that they see a man there that nobody else can see.

Apparently one little boy specifically, there was like, you can rent out rooms for events. And he was like, seen in the corner laughing and playing with someone and no one was there. And he was like, oh, I was playing with the man. Of course it's a man, not like the little boy. Nope. The full grown man.

People feel cold spots, something touching them. People here, like I said, are crying and screaming from a woman and they think that's the last woman hanged in Pennsylvania. Sometimes people see items moving on their own. People hear conversations between several people and nobody's there.

So they just hear a whole conversation happening. Apparently glasses in the bar are found smashed on the ground, and the manager previously has looked through security cam footage to see what happened, and they will fly themselves off the counter and smash onto the ground. That's like what you see on Paranormal Caught on Camera, one of my fave late night, just to have it

in the background shows, and I feel like that's the exact type of footage, like a bar in Pennsylvania and you see the glasses flying off. It's a classic. So scary. Yeah. The thing that is the scariest to me,

this is the last one I end on, is that the bar stools will all fall to the floor on their own. And there was one time where like, I guess it was closing time and they were putting the barstools up on the counters. And every single barstool fell off at the same time. Like flew off the counter by itself.

Okay, so then I wonder what that is. Off of a 30 yard bar. Yeah, I wonder what that is then. And was it like- So a 90 foot bar. Like a wave of them? Or was it like they literally all just like scooched out? I think they all like,

scooched violently. I wonder what that could be. Or tipped violently. Whatever it is, I'm so glad I was never fucking there for it. Yeah, that sounds like a mess. I would have assumed it was an earthquake. I would have been like, obviously the building just fucking shut. I would have assumed I put the bar stools up wrong,

incorrectly. I've been like, don't worry, I got it handled. Yeah. Anyway, at the Cell Block Nightclub, they say that paranormal investigators never leave empty-handed. That sounds, I don't know about that. That's the Cell Block Nightclub. That was good. I don't know if I would want to leave handed with anything.

I don't know if I would want to enter. Good point. Valid point. I imagine that if we're ever in that area you won't have the choice. Yeah. Because I will make you go with me. Cell Block Nightclub. I want to see where this place, this light, what's it called? Light something? Lightcombing? Lightcombing? Lightcombing? Okay I'm gonna find out how far this is. This is officially only seven and a half hours from me.

So a day trip. Easy peasy, yeah. Y'all you'll be there by nightfall. Yeah, I'll be there by nightfall. I'll be at the gallows by nightfall, you know? Perfect. Wow, good story, Em. That was very Halloweeny.

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Because I did these notes over the I did them over the last couple of days and I feel like I know the story really well, but it's been forever since I've like written out my own notes from like scratch completely. And I'm just, I keep worrying. I'm going to like forget something important. Um, but I think I'm good to go. I think I'm good to go. Uh, I'm excited because when I realized we were doing the Halloween episode today,

I was like, uh-oh, I'm gonna put my part two. Remember how I had a part one? Yes. Last time. So this is the first time we're skipping part two. I'm so sorry, but I wanted a Halloween story for the Halloween episode, right? That's so silly. Okay, great. I know, but I just like, I was like, well, that stinks if you're like, I just want to listen to the Halloween episode and then you can't listen to the crime story because like you haven't heard part one. So anyway, so I do apologize everyone, but that we will get to part two next week.

I promise I didn't forget, even though I can understand why you might think that. I'm also taking off my disguise because it's starting to get really hot and I also feel weird telling a murder story in that outfit. Okay, well, I'm still going to keep my wig on but I do wanna adjust it because if I'm going to wear it, it should look beautiful. Oh, please, by all means. And it's very easily, obviously, slipping off of my head.

By all means. Hang on, please hold this. Listen to some music while I do this. In the gallows, oh, in the gallows, we're in the gallows, we're in the gallows, it's all hallows, Eve in the gallows, it's all hallows, Eve in the gallows, oh yeah, Let's rock it out, rock it out, rock it out. Woo, ow! Oh yeah, let's rock it out, rock it out. We're in the gallows, we're in the gallows. On, off, Hallows, ee, ee, here we go.

Please turn it off, I can't stand it. Thank you. We're done. Thank Christ. I realized that gallows and Thank you. We're done. Thank Christ. I realized that gallows and hallows rhymed, so I had a little thing going there. Oh, gallows and hallows from Charlotte the harlot. Now you really look like Father Time.

I know. I'm definitely going to have to figure this out before our show. We're going to have to put some... I don't know, man. I mean, it's going to be weird seeing you as a... a flamboyantly dressed woman in a few days. I can't really wrap my head around it. But I was supposed to be the surprise.

I mean, trust me, no matter what, you could prep me every day until then and it'll still be a surprise. Okay, well, I feel very va-va-voom all of a sudden. Okay, excellent. I'm writing time for a horrible, horrible story. But if anyone gets a little too bummed out, just look at my face and you certainly won't feel,

well, maybe you'll feel disgusted. I don't know. I'll at least be distracted. I won't be disgusted. Nothing you could do would ever disgust me, Em. That is not a challenge, by the way. Okay. Are you ready for the story of the trick

or treat murder from 1957? I sure am. All right, so it's Halloween night, 1957. Peter Fabiano, a well-known hairdresser in the San Fernando Valley, was home with his wife Betty Fabiano after a long night of handing out candy to innocent little trick-or-treaters. They head to bed. What time in your mind does trick-or-treaters. They head to bed. What time in your mind does trick-or-treating end? By the way, can I go get a glass of wine?

Yes. Okay. Wow, we're both having so much fun today. Oh my God, I'm just like really feeling my sorrow. I think it's in the back of my throat. Gross. Okay, I can't hear you. One moment.

Okay. Let's get back to, well, I was going to play the music and sing along, but I actually can't hear the songs that play on my soundboard, so I don't know how the music sounds. So let's play the music, and I'll make a sound here. Just playing the music Oh, God! It's back! Just playing the songs

I actually... I can't hear the beat. But you don't even hear it. I was just guessing. Was I on time? Was I on beat? What was that? Okay. That's okay, he's coming out.

So let's move on. Anyway, what time would you say is like, okay, like say now that you're a homeowner, when would you say is the time to be like, okay, turn off the porch light, bring the cauldron in, like shutting the shutters, we're done. So interesting because I, we've talked about this. I think we talked about this

for our last Halloween episode maybe, but when I went trick or treating, I always went out like weirdly early or I don't know what the right time is. So I guess I expect trick or treating, I always went out like weirdly early or, I don't know what the right time is. So I guess I expect trick or treaters around, to start around five or whenever the sun sets. I'll say that, whenever the sun sets. And I would think it ends,

I would be surprised after 10 at the latest, but maybe nine, it starts dying down. That's kind of what I think. I feel like different neighborhoods have different times. By 11 o'clock, if someone's knocking on my door, it's a robber again. Excellent, because the occurrence of this crime is 11.30 p.m.

Okay. And that definitely comes into play because it is... I listened to... Actually, I watched it on YouTube, which was delightful. I never really watched podcasts on YouTube, so it was kind of fun, but I watched Murder With My Husband, and it was one of the only podcasts that have covered this.

And she kept saying, like, they stole this holiday to commit this, like, they took advantage of this holiday by saying, like, oh, they'll open the door, you know, because they think it's trick-or-treaters. And it's so true, like, it feels like a cheat code, you know? Like- It is, it's, yeah, I totally get what you mean. That's not, you feels like, that's not, that's, you know, that's not how it works.

You can't sully the good name of Halloween No. by ringing the doorbell and knowing they'll answer the door just so you can. 100%. So it was 1130 PM and they were in bed already. Like you said, it's way past trick or treating hour. There'd been nobody there for a long time.

And then the doorbell rang. So my next question, which I think I now know the answer to is would you answer? No. Yeah. Thank God for like ring doorbells and show like that. I know nowadays, yeah. Nowadays you answer? No. Yeah. Um, thank God for like ring doorbells and stuff. I know nowadays, yeah, nowadays you can definitely check. But here's what I'll say.

Even if they did have a peephole, he most likely would have opened the door because Peter goes downstairs, he's annoyed. He's like, God, like, who could be... These goddamn kids. He sees kids are just up, like, come on, seriously, like, it's way too late. Can't they see? The lights are all off. And he sees someone in a Halloween mask.

And so he thinks, OK, well, fine. I'll give him the rest of our candy. Literally the strangers. Isn't it? Isn't it? So he opens the door. And from upstairs, I kind of like thinking about it from Betty's perspective, because she's in bed.

And she just hears, first of all, I would be like, please, don't go answer the damn door, but. Yeah, like they can go to the next house if they want candy that time. Yeah, if they want candy. But Blaze has been in that scenario where he's like, oh, I'll just go check. And I'm like, don't you even begin to think about it,

my friend. Like when we were staying at some motel and he kept wanting to open the door. And I was like, are you out of your mind? Like we don't know who's out there. That's male privilege. It is, it is. It's truly just like, you clearly have never been

in this situation enough times to just fucking pretend you're not here. And then he had the audacity to say, well, Gio's here. And I thought, yeah. Oh, okay, I'm so glad he's there to sleep while you die. The fucking biggest liability of all is here, yes. Oh, Gio's here, please. You know what?

You know who would be better here? Anyone else. Someone, anyone. I mean, he could have at least said, because this was during our cross-country movie, he could have at least said, because this was during our cross-country move, he could have at least said, Juniper's here, because Juniper probably would claw the shit out of somebody who came toward him,

but not on our behalf, right? Like, neither of these animals would ever defend us. So, in any case, I would not be letting Blaze open that damn door, but he's like, okay, it's Halloween, like, I'll go check. He sees someone in a costume holding a bag, like the kind that trick-or-treaters had back then.

They had these, like, paper bags. And from that upstairs, Betty hears her husband say, it's kind of late for that, don't you think? But he goes to get the candy. And then all of a sudden, Betty hears a loud bang, a shout, and a car drive off. Oh, shit. So Betty rushes downstairs to see her husband laying on the ground. He had been shot with a revolver and it was too late. He had died or he was at

least you know, actively dying. I don't know the best way to say it, but he essentially died on his way to the hospital. So he was, it was too late. Let's just say it was too late to save him. Right, right, right, right. Oh man. So of course this seemingly random shooting like shocked the neighborhood. I mean, you imagine like a residential community being like, oh, on Halloween, some trick or treater

just shot somebody in their doorway as they were handing candy out, you know? Well, especially because you, I assume at least, like you're killing someone with an intent. Like there's like, are you gonna break in and like steal something now? Right, it just seems so random because it's like, oh, it's not a burglary, right.

Just like a shoot and bash, yeah. Right, right, right. And so in the following days, of course, police are trying to get to the bottom of this. They decide to delve into the life of Peter Fabiano and Betty. And they discovered pretty quickly that the couple had actually recently reconciled after a separation. And now keep, yeah, keep in mind also that this is

the 50s. So, you know, separations in a marriage are not as maybe socially acceptable as they are now. It's probably a bigger deal then, than it might be today. But as they start digging into the separation, they realize that Betty had actually left her husband for a while and moved out. For another man? For another woman. Oh, another woman. Okay, see, okay, now it's okay.

I see, sorry, I've got this stuff going on in my face. Okay, so do we know for sure that the person who shot him was a man? We don't know anything about the shooter yet. We just saw a face behind a Halloween mask. You know what I mean? We just saw a face behind a Halloween mask holding a paper bag.

So there is no clue yet who this could be. So Betty had developed this close, somewhat mysterious relationship with a woman named Joan Rebelle, who was actually a former employee at one of Peter's, her husband's salons. So remember how I said he's a well-known hairdresser, he owns these salons, and one of his employees, or at least former employees,

he had a terrible relationship with. He hated her, she hated him. They had a very contentious relationship. Guess what? Because they were in a love triangle with Betty. And... That makes so much sense all of a sudden. So does.

And so they're digging into this, and they're like, uh-oh, trouble in paradise. So was... Sorry, also, I just have... This is not totally necessary, but her last name, Rebell, is it spelled like rebel? So it's spelled R-A-B-E-L and I've heard it pronounced rebel a few times. And I think that's cooler than like rabble

and it might be rabble, but- Could be rabble like a rabble rouser. It could be rabble also, but I think I, I'm just going to say rebel because that's just sounds cooler, but it might, it probably is rabble, but I don't know. I don't know. Whatever.

So they had developed this relationship It just sounds cooler, but it might. It probably is Rable, but I don't know. I don't know. Whatever. So they had developed this relationship and they of course immediately turn to Joan, the police do. They're like, Joan, where were you on Halloween night? And she swears up and down. She did not leave her home one single time. She says, hey, go ahead and ask all the neighbors.

My car was in the driveway all night. And they're like, okay. Okay, girl, you got feet. Okay, first of all that. Second of all, thou doth protest too much. She's like, no, ask the neighbors. And they're like, okay. And she's like, please just go ask them.

But actually don't. Like go check with them real quick. So of course all the neighbors say, yeah, her car was there all night. And in my head, I'm thinking, why is she so insistent about that? It's weird. It's weird to me to be like, go ask the neighbors where my car was. I, okay. was there all night. And in my head, I'm thinking, why is she so insistent about that? It's weird.

It's weird to me to be like, go ask the neighbors where my car was. If you were innocent. It's just a weird thing to me. I would, if I were questioned for something like that, I would say, no, it wasn't me. Ask these people I was with. But I would never-

I don't think I would have even said ask anyone. I just would have been like, I was at home. And then if they're like, who can vouch for you? I might say, I don't know, I was texting somebody. But it feels weird to be like, ask all my neighbors. I mean, I wouldn't even mention my car. I would just be- Exactly. It wouldn't even occur to me to mention my car.

Well, exactly. And that's exactly what ends up happening is like she's trying to like, you know, control the narrative, as you say. But so she's like, ask all the neighbors, they'll tell you. And so she was right. All the neighbors said, yeah, the car was in the driveway. And they thought maybe they had hit a dead end.

That is until they asked one of her neighbors, the last one. They said, hey, we're just confirming, everyone saw Joan's car in the driveway. We're just confirming, did you also see car in the driveway, we're just confirming, did you also see it? Did you see it there all night or did you see a leave? And the woman said, no, her car was there all night, which I thought was odd because she actually asked

to borrow my car that day. Oh, well, ding, ding, ding. I know, so it's like, hmm, interesting. Sometimes I wonder how you and I would respond if we were actually interrogation officers. Because if I heard something like that, the way you and I would gay gasp and hold each other, you do your Christine Klaw on the elbow,

you would go, oh my God, that's a clue. Write that down, write that down, Eva. I would not be able to like Marishka smooth. Oh, no, no. I wouldn't be able to just go, hmm, interesting. You and I would just have like a giggle fit and it would be so inappropriate. Literally be clapping and jumping going,

we're so good at our job. Like, yay. Oh my God, we're gonna get a gold star for this one. I'd be like, wow, everyone's gonna be so proud. No one saw this coming. No one saw us actually solving this case. Can you imagine what a plot twist in the story of our lives.

Can you please leave my living room? This is really inappropriate. Okay, so all the neighbors are like, yeah, but then this one neighbor says, well, she borrowed my car. And this is my favorite part about this neighbor. Not only does she say Joan borrowed my car, she also says she put 37 miles on it. Like she counted.

Now that's Allison with her goddamn Excel sheet. That's my stepdad with his obsession with using energy efficiency to save the planet. I've never, that's, but that's the girl you want in your corner to solve a crime, someone who notices every goddamn thing. The one time in my life, I was in college even, but I snuck out by claiming,

I was staying at my mom and stepdad's house and it was just me and my stepdad and I wanted to go see my boyfriend. So I lied and I said I was going to go to like a friend's house and he's like what friend? But I needed to borrow his car and it was like late. So I was like, oh, okay, I'm just going to borrow your car. That motherfucker knew already the fucking mileage. And so when I got home, he's like, hmm, drove a little further than your friend's house, huh? You know, that's actually such a genius move

as a parent though. I know, but I was so pissed. I was like, I've never snuck out. Also, I'm an adult. I'm not even supposed to be sneaking out. Yeah, no, that's crazy. But I will say, if I were a teenager and got busted that way, I would have to go like,

damn, you got me. Like, there's no- But that's when I realized if I were a teenager and got busted that way I would have to like damn you got me Like I don't there's no but that's what I realize Maybe I am a fucking Charlotte because I'm sneaking out of the house at 21 years old like get a grip That is certainly of the four of them. That is a Charlotte. That's really embarrassing Wow anyway The neighbor knows that this woman Joan borrowed the car and either she's just very finicky or that's just a thing you did back then, but she knows there were about 37 miles put on this car.

So police, of course, do the map of, you know, from Joan's house to the Fabiana's house and wouldn't you know it, it's about 16, 18 miles, depending on the route, one way. You double that, guess what? You're just about 37. So they're like, we fucking got her. She definitely was the one who drove there in the car. So they're trying to figure out like how on earth they're going to pin this on her because she's still claiming she never left the house. Or maybe she should like tell a ghost to like write her

testimony for her. Hey, that worked out so well last time that maybe she should get a clue from that guy, from Harry's spokesperson, Harry's mouthpiece. What's that guy's name again? William Hummel. So as they're trying to sort this out and figure out how they're going to nail her for this, they receive, police receive, an anonymous tip phoned in about where the gun is. Somebody calls in. I still don't know. I still I'm so curious who this is, but somebody calls in and says, hey, there's this department store downtown and they have these like pay storage

lockers where you can keep stuff. That's where you'll find the murder weapon. And then they hung up. Huh? So it was really just like like a payphone call. stuff. That's where you'll find the murder weapon. And then they hung up. So it was really just like, uh, like a pay phone call. It was a complete random, yes, like out of the blue, anonymous call, as far as I can tell, because they don't haven't announced any other information. So police are like, okay,

that seems doubtful that we'd go to like a Coles and find like a pay locker and find it in there, but whatever, I guess we'll check it out. And lo and behold, they open this locker and find a 38 Smith and Wesson revolver. And because they have the bullet that had killed Peter, they think, well, now let's match it. And sure enough, it matches the bullet that killed Peter. And they decided to trace a serial number back.

And they're thinking, okay, Joan, here we come. And they trace it back to Joan? No, they trace it back to another woman, 42 year old hospital clerk. Now get this, Goldeen Pizer. Okay. Goldeen. I just need to talk about that for a moment.

So Goldeen is the name of a Pokemon, I think. I do know that. I will say it's spelled G-O-L-D-Y-N-E. Okay, that doesn't help. I love it. I think it's hilariously adorable. I'm gonna show you a picture of Goldeen, actually, because I feel like you need to see her to get the vibe.

Because remember, this is the 50s, so like. I will say I can already tell, Goldeen makes a great cobbler. Oh, and one of those Jell-O mold situations. You know it. Goldeen has a recipe from every family member. You know what I mean? You know what?

I don't think you're wrong about that. Okay, first of all, I just Googled her name and the number of weird podcasts, like memes and posts about this crime and all the, I'm like, just show me Goldeen. Somebody show me Goldeen. So I can't, I don't have the photo offhand, but I will get it to Megan or more likely Eva will,

I'll forget and Eva will find it and we'll post it on social media if we can find it. I do have a photo. Oh, wine and crime has covered this story. See, that's the problem with our show and wine and crime is that we don't label our episodes with the name of the crime or the story. So like when I'm Googling podcast episode about this,

ours and wine and crime never come up because we have like, so I guess they did this in Halloween crimes in episode 143. Damn, so I didn't even get to listen to Wine and Crime on it. Oh well, I'll listen to it later. Also I like that there's was also, this was their also Halloween episode.

Yeah, that's a really good point. So I'm gonna send- Yeah, unfortunately, if you wanna know what topics we cover, you have to go to our website and there's a search bar for our episodes. Yes, exactly. Then you have to search for it, which is fine too. But, okay, actually I don't want to send you the picture of Joan yet because it has, um, it has some, uh,

some spoilers. Okay. Okay. So I'm still wondering who the deep throat guy was. The who was like on the phone at saying, this is where you'll find the gun. We don't know. Okay. Anonymous tip. That's why they didn't take it seriously. Not that they didn't take it seriously, but police didn't really like bet on it. They were like, okay, like we'll check it out because it's the only lead we have. And they were honestly shocked that it actually led them to the murder weapon. Like they thought maybe this was just a prank call or something. Yeah.

What have you? Yeah, exactly. So they traced this gun back to 42 year old hospital clerk, Goldeen, and I don't care what anybody says, especially Em. I think it's a great name. So who the fuck is Goldeen? Let's get to it. They have to figure out now this, what is it? A love rhombus all of a sudden,

it's got four points instead of three? Yeah, so was she also cheating on woman number one with woman number two? Well, let's find out. We gotta get the red string out because that's what they had to do. I love it. They start tracking back.

They start with Joan and Betty's friendship, okay? So when Joan started working at the hair salon, she and Betty got close, obviously. Joan herself was born in Philly, ever heard of it? In Phytown? Yeah, girls in Pennsylvania, at Lycoming County, ever heard of it? Yeah, ever heard of Lycoming Nightclub?

So Joan was born in Philadelphia, PA in 1917, and she had a lucrative career as a writer and photographer, which at the time was not the norm to be know, the norm to be kind of a, make your own type of money sort of career woman. Especially with self starter, especially with such like an adventurous career. She sailed around the Americas and she would take photos. And so when she arrived in the San Fernando Valley,

she had recently gotten divorced. We actually don't know much about her divorce story, but we do know she had previously been married. And she came to San Fernando Valley and she was looking for work after her divorce. So she started working at the hair salon and she and Betty, who's, you know, Peter's wife, the owner's wife, became close friends.

And she was basically welcomed into their family. The couple both really liked her, and so when Peter and Betty kind of started having some conflict in their marriage, Joan was there as a shoulder to cry on, Joan was there to comfort her, and Joan was there to offer some living arrangements when Betty decided to leave her husband.

What, come sleep in my bed with me and we'll kiss? I guess so. Okay, hey girl. Listen, I mean, listen, they don't kiss and tell, but they definitely moved in together and got really, really close. Okay, they were chumming it, as you say. They were chumming it, amen.

So Peter understandably felt really rocked by this and uneasy and like threatened by the intimacy of his wife and this woman that worked for him. The LA Times actually described the pair's relationship as quote abnormal, which in the 1950s meant homosexual. Well, yes, obviously. Which in the 2020s means gay. Gay, big, fat, gay, yes.

Yeah, who says homosexual? Homophobes, I think, only. Anyway, so- No, they just say homo. Oh yeah, true. Well, only if they're trying, but if they're trying to be understanding, they will say homosexual to try and show show how cool they are, you know? Obviously, yes. My mom recently tried to say queer, but she didn't know if it was like still a slur.

She was like, oh, I'm so sorry. She was like, you keep saying it, so I think it's okay. I'm like, well, this feels like a slur, this whole conversation. So I'm threatened either way, whether it's a slur or not. Either way, I hate it. Maybe we just change the topic. Yeah, you've put me on the defense. Thanks, Mom. I also want to mention real quick that a lot of this, in addition to that episode, is from True Crime Edition. A lot of it is from True Crime Edition.

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slash drink to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. That's squarespace.com slash drink. Make all of your cryptozoological dreams come true, Christine. I believe in you. Thank you. So, Betty eventually decided that she would move out of Joan's apartment and back in with Peter because she really wanted to save her marriage. And as you can imagine, Joan was not thrilled about this,

especially because Betty moved back in with Peter and told him that she had been having an affair with Joan. And I think he sort of knew that because she moved in with her and was like very intimate with her. But just in case- I gathered that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just in case he hadn't read the room, she was like, hey, just so you know, I had an affair with Joan, but I'd like to save our marriage. So she moved back in, and Joan was not fucking happy about this. And on top of that, now Joan was enemy number one of both Peter and Betty,

because Peter and Betty were like, okay, she is a threat to our marriage. Even though Betty had a fling with her, had a relationship with her, she's actively a threat now. So we're cutting her out of our lives. She no longer works at the hair salon. She no longer comes around

and Betty's avoiding her at all costs. They think we've moved on, life is good. However, that same year in 1957, Joan, who's still kind of reeling from this rejection of Betty, met a woman named Goldeen Peyser. Goldeen Peyser was a medical secretary and the two of them also got really close and they would do this thing, which they talked about on Murder with My Husband and I, my jaw dropped because I have never heard this term outside of German,

like outside of being used in German, the language. Ever heard of it? The language. Yeah, girl. What's wrong with me? But it might be Yiddish. Like maybe it's also Yiddish, maybe that's why, but it's called a coffee clutch.

Have you heard of this? Okay, so maybe it's not Yiddish. Or maybe it's also Yiddish, maybe that's why, but it's called a coffee clutch. Have you heard of this? Okay, so maybe it's not Yiddish. Or maybe it's not- Oh, I don't like know all Yiddish. I only know the ones, the things my grandparents kind of regurgitated to me. So in Germany, Kaffee klatschen is like,

you go and have a gossip over coffee. Oh, okay. It's kind of like, so they also have Kaff over coffee. Oh, OK. It's kind of like. So they also have coffee and cool, coffee and cool, which is like coffee and cake hour, which you have almost a siesta, but it's just for cake. Yeah. Daily. It's a very important love the Germans all of a sudden.

I know they're great. I know. Sometimes sometimes they have their moments. They have their moments. And even I will admit that. But coffee clutches like, oh, you go and like clutch, like you go and like, it's like K-L-A-T-S-C-H. It's like, you're just like, quack, you're, what's the word, there's a similar word in English

for gossiping, like blabbing maybe. Like you're just going to like blab and gossip about people. Gap? Gap? Maybe. Yeah, I use that word a lot to gab. Yeah, to gab, yeah. Just gabbing. So they's a gab, yeah.

Just gabbing. So they're gabbing over coffee. And this is kind of how Jones and Goldeen's relationship started, which I also feel like is probably how a lot of quote homosexual, female friendships may have started. Like, oh, we're just getting together to like drink coffee and talk every day.

We're having girl time. It's actually just girl time. Yeah, sometimes our lips have to touch though. Sometimes we're telling each other secrets and we have to be so close that we just whisper them right into each other's mouths. And also just naked by chance, but that's just part of it. It just helps, it just makes us feel closer.

Yeah, it's called coffee clutch. Ever heard of it? You and that wig, ever heard of it? I'm sorry, I'm just getting coffee and gabbing with my girls, ever heard of it. You in that wig, ever heard of it? I'm sorry, I'm just getting coffee and gabbing with my girls, ever heard of it? I just love coffee clutch. I wanna do a coffee clutch with you every day. Not in a weird sex way, but in the normal way.

Oh, well, okay, I'll just get away then. Well, let's start normal like all the other ones and then see what happens. Yeah, I think as soon as you and I enter the chat, I become the Charlotte, let's put it that way. Yeah, I'm like, hey, let's coffee clutch and I was like, I don't think so. Let's whisper secrets into each other's mouths,

but also like in a not gay way. But also like, please get a little bit further away from me. Okay, but what if I bring the wig? Are you like feeling it? Are you like into this or no? I mean. Which way do you prefer? You tell me.

I guess there's only one way to find out. Ah! Yes, both ways. So now there's a guarantee for two opportunities. Okay. Yes. Okay. I was gonna say, my family, we've also always used the word,

kibitz. Oh yeah, okay. Yeah. What does that mean? Like, like, the way it's used in our family is to gossip. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So probably same idea.

And according to Germanfoods.org, which sounds like a joke, but actually I have used this website often in my life. One of my classics, Germanfoods.org says that it literally translates to coffee chatter. Oh, okay. And it was often, so it originated, I kind of love this little fun fact.

It originated as a, like kind of an activity, for example, for stay at home moms, because it was like the fifties and you're at home with the kids. You might as well have like Goldeen over with her kids and they can play and you can kind of gab about your day and raising the kids and your husband husbands and blah, blah, blah. I mean, that was how it was, again,

that was kind of the kibitz for me. It was like my single mom had, and her single mom friends would all come over and me and all of the kids of single moms would hang out while the single moms talk. Yeah, it's called wine chatter though. Oh, okay. In that scenario, I imagine.

As it will be in my- It certainly was, yeah. Yeah, that's more relatable to me personally But I do I do understand that as someone who were was a stay-at-home mom for only a few months. I Imagine I would be desperate for something like this. Yeah, like I talk to an adult. Yeah to commiserate to just Socialize etc. So that's how they started Talk just to be around adults. Yeah, exactly. To commiserate, to just socialize, et cetera. So that's how they started, you know, their relationship. And it's reported, and this is something that's like kind of a sticky topic because we don't

really have it from Goldin's mouth herself, but it's reported that Goldin was gay and had spent her life suppressing that and had actually gotten married to this guy named Herbert, which, woof. And then apparently recently had divorced him as well. So on top of potentially being gay and having repressed it, and now she's also newly divorced, just like Joan has been divorced

and is out of a relationship. It sort of felt like a perfect storm brewing. So it was during these coffee clutches that Joan started speaking about this guy, her employer and his name is Peter Fabiano. And Joan just tells poor, poor Goldeen how horrible Peter Fabiano has made her life. What a terrible, terrible boss he is.

What a bad, evil man. What a harmful, harmful person. Essentially, do you see what's happening? I see what's happening. Okay, I don't know if I'm giving the right clues or not, or if I'm being too subtle. You're driving the right clues. Okay, essentially, Joan convinced Goldeen

that Peter Fabiano, who conveniently, she didn't mention was also her lover, right, conveniently left that part out, but convinced Goldeen, A, that Goldeen should basically do anything for her. Goldeen later said, I was so smitten, I would have done anything in my life for this woman. So Joan's sort of taking advantage of that, well, not sort of fully taking advantage of that, and trying to convince Goldeen that there's this like, evil, evil man on the planet that is just harming Joan daily. And what are we gonna do about it?

So, yeah, you can probably see the writing on the wall, but ultimately Goldeen ended up buying a 38 Smith & Wesson from a shop in Pasadena. She claimed she just needed it for personal protection, so they gave it to her. She then agreed to Joan's plan, which was that she was going to murder this man and save not only Joan, but the poor woman that Peter just happens to be married with who's being abused daily and being like harmed and being X, Y, Z, this guy's the devil. So Joan had instructed Goldeen,

well, kind of given her instructions for the whole event. Here's your mask and I need you to dress up like this Halloween trick or treater. Literally, literally instructed the costume which was blue jeans, a khaki jacket, red gloves, makeup and a Halloween mask. So yeah, basically they said, here's your uniform, here's your costume and now hide the revolver

in the trick or treat bag, like the paper trick or treat bag. And you heard what happened. She went and rang the door. She apparently later said her heart was beating so loud and so hard that she could barely stand it. And she was shaking, but she shot him and ran for the car. Goldeen then disposed of the gun in a storage locker

in the department store that I was talking about earlier. And the anonymous tip had led the police to the weapon and then in turn to Goldeen's door two weeks later. She at the time lived in Hollywood, I think West Hollywood they said, and she told the police, it's a relief to get it off my mind. Which don't you sometimes feel back then that everybody was a little bit too casual about like violent murders. Yuck! That was bothering me. Yeah, exactly.

Like the John Mulaney bit we always reference where it's like, ugh, God, get that blood out of here. We got to figure out this crime. Back to my hunch. Yeah, back to my hunch. So she's like, oh man, it's been such a burden. It's like, what the fuck? It's been really difficult having to exist dealing with something I did on my own.

I did. It's like, why is there no accountability being taken? Why is there no empathy happening here? And also like no fear, just like, oh, thank God. I'm so glad to get this out of my mind. Arrest me, like what? You're not gonna pretend you didn't do it? Especially when this was the era of like, well,

there was, I guess it's still a- Chumming? No. I was gonna say like, if you get arrested, like death row was very much an option. Like, I don't know- No, right, they've got gallows, like real ones, not nightclubs.

Real gallows. I'm like, why is that not a big enough threat? Like if you were living in a world where like the biggest punishment, maybe it's because she was a woman. I think it's cause you're Goldeen, the blonde woman from Pasadena. Like maybe they're just gonna slap on the wrist

and be like, oh, she obviously couldn't have done this herself for something. Like she doesn't know any better. Yeah, yeah, I think it's probably a combo of all of that. I think she probably was also a little bit, I hate to say naive, cause I feel like that sounds like a big insult, but like you've gotta be at least a little bit naive to let somebody convince you

to just shoot someone you've never met. She'd never met this man. I've been in crazed, holy crap puppy love and never would have shot somebody. And never would it have, and it's like, I can see how that might happen, but also like you imagine there'd be a little more tension or like at least conflict in your own mind about it,

but it sounds like she just kind of went with it. But either way, one of the psychiatrists who examined her, which by the way, so when they went through these examinations, the court believed that homosexuality may have, first of all, one and only benefit, I guess, of being gay back then, you may not be fit to stand trial because you're homosexual.

Oh, because you were mentally ill. Because you were, yeah. Because you're fucking crazy. Lock me up, except don't, because I'm crazy. Except I'm crazy, so let me be. Put me on some morphine and lithium. You know, like, why didn't you end up in jail? Oh, I'm gay. Oh, I'm super gay. Whoops.

And then, I mean, if I'm holding a knife and I'm like, oh, actually I was unfit to stay in trial because I'm super gay. I feel like people would be like, back away slowly. It's wild that people would see you with like a bloody knife and they'd go, clearly you're gay. Like, not... Yuck. That's the most threatening part of this. Yeah, that's probably the part we should focus on. And so, both women pleaded not guilty. They did eventually change their pleas.

For example, Pizer pleaded insanity, claimed she was just easily influenced by Joan. And Joan herself refused to comment, but apparently was like... reported to have been wearing a very strange like stony smile throughout the whole trial, which is a little bit creepy. They were both eventually charged with second degree murder and sentenced to five years to life in prison. And even though it was five years to life, which feels like the biggest range you could have, five years to life,

Goldeen ended up being paroled by 1971. Okay. And later became an officer in the Miracle Mile chapter of the Professional Women's Club, whatever the fuck that is. Oh, my God. Okay. And... Sounds little bit of a gay. Sounds gay.

It sounds gay, doesn't it? The officer at the, yeah, agreed. She ended up passing away in 1998 at the age of 83, but nobody knows what happened to Joan Rebell. Really? And yeah, we don't have any clue. Was that just like not a time where like an accessory to murder wasn't a thing or? They think that she, so they were actually both charged with the same crime and both convicted of the same crime,

which was second degree murder. So neither of them were convicted of first degree murder and neither of them, they were basically charged exactly the same because people that when, you know, law enforcement looked at basically charged exactly the same because when law enforcement looked at them as having the same role, one of them was the mastermind, that was Joan, and then the other one actually pulled the trigger. So it's almost like in their minds,

they evened each other out. Were in hoots with each other. Yeah, exactly, and were equally culpable. But to just give like a capper on the whole neighbor who probably, and I hope, told this story to her great grandkids for the rest of time, the car that Joan borrowed was the getaway car. So even though, you know, Joan didn't use it to go to like Food Lion or whatever she claimed, she was driving the car, but you know,

Goldeen actually pulled the trigger. They returned the borrowed car to Joan's friend, but they left the khaki jacket in the vehicle, which also worked against them. And then they burned the rest of the costume. But you know, probably the harshest part of all, in all seriousness, is that after Goldeen shot Peter, in all seriousness is that after Goldeen shot Peter,

Joan said to her, forget you ever knew me and drove away. Wow. So basically Goldeen found out in that moment that she had been used just for that crime and that Joan never actually wanted to be with her, just wanted to use her vulnerability to. A crushing blow. Right. It's got to be it's got to hurt. It's giving. Oh, God.

Now, of course, I can't remember the name. It's the movie where like the princess is she thinks she's getting married to as she a princess or she's like the daughter of like a famous diplomat. And she thinks she's getting married and then she finds out on her wedding day that he was just always her security aid and like they're not supposed to get married? Okay. Someone knows what I'm talking about.

I have no idea. It's not Princess Diaries. Someone knows, it'll be in the comments. I wanna watch it, whatever it is. So let me know folks. Like they end up having to like leave the, there's like a safety. I've never seen that.

Is it like a, like a, like a movie or a kids movie? I remember it's like a like a safety. There's like a kid like a. Yeah, I remember. No, I remember like it being at least for a teenager, like I remember crushing me when I was like, oh, he never loved her. He was just hired to protect her. Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Someone's going to know what I'm talking about. It'll be that movie.

Oh, and I will also add, you know, we talked briefly about like how because they were homosexual, they were not fit to stand trial because they were so fucking insane. And gay, so fucking gay. Yeah, so fucking gay. I want to also add that they basically painted this in the media as Joan being the almost like, Svangali, like luring her in, you know, and having this like kind of almost mesmerizing power

over Goldeen. And so that kind of led to the media sort of sidestepping any like actual deeper look into like, oh, these women who were trapped in the confines of heterosexual marriages, you know, and obviously all of that went over everybody's head, and they were like, oh no, this evil Joan woman had scary eyes with purple and hazel contacts,

and she gives all the women to turn away from their husbands. And so it was a little bit like, ugh, of course, but, you know, what else do we expect? And, you know, they would call them abnormal and deviant and all that good stuff. But either way, this became known as the trick or treat murder. And that is a story, a little gay Halloween story for you.

Thank you, because it's never fully Halloween if it's not gay, and it's not ever fully gay if it's not Halloween. Certainly. Well done, well done. It was worth pushing the part two to next week, I think. Okay, good, I'm glad. I wanted it to be kind of a standalone episode, you know?

No, that's a great, I will say, you'll have to definitely give us a previously on next week because I won't remember that It's totally cuz I won't either so I think we'll both need it. Um, that was lovely Christine I mean it was terrible, but it was lovely. Well, thank you And I feel like I feel like I I dressed the part for some gossip today for some gay gossip I was it basically in drag the whole time. So that's love your father time drag Father time is when this also connects to my mouth, and I go, yes, yes.

Yeah, to be fair, that actually would add a lot to the Father Time character. As it is down, it definitely looks more like some sort of Cher drag. I don't see Cher, but I do see... But I don't know what Cher looks like. So in my head, I've just decided it, and I think I don't know the difference. Yeah, I don't see share but I do see but I don't know what share looks like so in my head I've decided it and I think I don't know the difference Yeah, I don't know who I resemble

But I gotta say you look like the woman at the corner who has goats in her suburban backyard and is trying to sell chicken And honey chicken eggs and honey to people from her front yard Even though you live in the suburbs and why are you doing that? I have a lot of those bowls that make that meditation dong sound. That's exactly right. And I do wear a lot of, you know, the clothes that like Lily Tomlin wears.

Yes, yes. I mentioned Mother Earth a little too often. A little too often. It's like, all right, we get it. I just say like, oh, spirit is connecting with you and like nothing's happening. Yeah, and it's like, is it? Yeah. Yeah, I only drink like herbal tea leaves and like nothing's happening. Yeah. And it's like, is it? Yeah.

Yeah. I only drink like herbal tea leaves and like I... Yes. I know exactly who you're talking about. I see them at a lot of art fairs around here. Yeah. Yeah. I have a horse that like I'm way too into. And it's like, you don't have room for that horse. Why do you have a horse? Yeah. We share a house. We share a bedroom actually. Sometimes we kiss on the lips.

It's just what we do. Sometimes we tell secrets into each other. We have a coffee clutch together. It's fine. Can I get one more look at the current traveler partner in time? Thank you for asking. I love that you thought of that. It was such a niche, obscure reference.

Do you know what I did? I went into our Instagram and I looked at our tagged photos and I just started scrolling for any fan art or mentions and I saw a bunch of cryptids that I considered and then I saw partners in time and I was like, that's fun, I'm at Target. And I was already at Target, so I thought, why don't I just buy some weird retro stuff? I still love that reference,

Crime Travelers, Partners in Time. Favorite. And a couple people have made fan art and I was like, this is so good. Like, I don't know what we're gonna do with it, but I feel like- We should do like a film noir, old spy movie or something.

I think so, something, right? Like I feel like it's rife with, it's rifer content. At some point, there needs to be a shirt that says, crime travelers, partners in time. I know, I know, we have to make it perfect. I'm trying to think of how we'll do it. Isn't that the worst thing about us?

It's like, it has to be perfect, or else it just shouldn't exist at all. Yeah, we can't just half ass it. It's not gonna work just like I can't half ass a grumpy toad. It's just not gonna be, it's not gonna make me happy. Well, this was our seventh Halloween together and I was trying to think of what to dress cause I've done Zach Bagans,

I've done America's first scene shifter, I've done Leona. Remember the year she was gonna be born. That was so upsetting. Cause she was in my belly and you were just there with a giant bottle. And I loved every second of it. And now I've been Lady in White.

I've been something else. So the year you were Leona, I was a mummy cause I was very pregnant and I just wrapped myself in toilet paper and I put googly eyes on my stomach. And then that was a year you were Leona. So that was extra upsetting that we were both kind of leading into that. And then you were the Hersey and shifter, and I was Mothman that year. You were Zach Bagans, and I was Tina Belcher,

which was just more of a me thing. And then what were the other ones? There was something else. I wasn't Lemon. Oh, I was Xenon. You were Xenon and I was Lemon. That was probably our best. You showed up, I have videos of you driving,

of Allison driving you down the road to the industrial department where we were meeting. And I went, oh my. And I was screaming, who's honking? Yeah. And I literally have a video where you can hear me go, oh my fucking God. And Em shows up with this fucking insane xenon.

We gotta put, let's maybe, you know what we should do. Why don't we do, unless you have a plan already, but for our Yappie hour, we could, for our coffee clutch, our coffee maybe, you know what we should do. Why don't we do, unless you have a plan already, but for our Yappy hour, we could, for our coffee clutch, our coffee app, we could go- Our kibitz. Our kibitz, our coffee kibitz, we could go reminisce maybe, I don't know, and like pull up those photos, cause wow.

Oh, that was the year that we also got kicked off our live stream for watching Zach Bate, for watching Best Adventures and commentating. Good times. And we were having the best time and then they kicked us off. Oh, well. They haven't done that on TikTok yet. It doesn't seem like they cut people off for that.

So maybe we just move to TikTok. Yeah, it's so rude. I know, so let's try that. Let's do that. Well, happy Halloween. I hope everyone gets their favorite candy. You deserve it. And I hope nobody knocks on your door past 10 o'clock.

And if they do, don't fucking open it Don't open it, especially if you're a man Can you like not tell your girlfriend to relax when you decide to go check on the door, please? Can you not rely on your dumb dog to save you because he won't he's not lassie. Thank you so much You're and that's why we drink