And That's Why We Drink - E415 A Kiss of Silence and a Ghost Who Hates Mansplainers

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

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Again, that's ZipRecruiter.com slash D-R-I-N-K. ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. This is nice. It's great how we can just be in a room and not speak, you know, and just sit in the silence. Honestly, I really do enjoy that. I'm currently in a house full of people terrified of silence, and so I just, I'm so tired of yapping. Anyway, let's do our job anyway No, I there my mom and I are finally at the point where we're butting heads quite a lot that took a while though You've been there a long time. Well, I think it's cuz we were all six. We're all like away from you

You're quarantined within your own home, right? Yeah, I know that we're back in each other's faces It did not take much time at all, but we're going on. Well, and also we're all snowed in right now because of that big storm. So you've been snowed in longer than expected. Yeah. I was supposed to be home a week ago and I have two more days here.

So I am ready to go home. Anyway, I appreciate that little, little, little kiss of silence. That was lovely Yeah, I thought it felt like eon it felt like it stretched on for four years Because we don't usually sit in silence, but I thought that was really cathartic those two second two and a half seconds I would say absolutely pretty powerful stuff. So why why did you need the silence? What's going on in your home? Um, Definitely not silence Well, you know while we're at it, I have this guy with me.

This is my drink of choice today. This is a good old mezzo mix. I bought it from Jungle Gyms and at the bottom here it says Cola Kisses Orange. Oh, that's it's like Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, it's just it's actually just as romantic and also just as tragic. And also everybody dies at the end. So I'm drinking that. It's a Coke, Cola, it's a German, I think it's a German drink. It's a Cola mixed with some, oh, it's Austrian,

Cola and some orange, like some orange soda mixed together. I gathered when they were kissing. Well, I, yeah, okay. But you also said- Big literal exchanging of fluids. Okay but you also said something weird. What did you say again? I don't know. Start from day one, June 3rd, 1992. I'll let you know when the weird part happens. Oh I'm drinking today because look at, look at my, I got my first ever portrait done by Leona. Oh, I thought you were gonna be beautiful.

I'm about to present it to you, ready? Here it is. Cues the screams, wow. You know, you're literally doing the Kermit dance in it. You're literally, look at that, you're literally doing your creepyermit dance in it. You're literally, look at that. You're literally doing your creepy little lean when you dance. And you're always wearing black and an amulet.

And you have demonic red eyes. Does that make sense? Actually the red is my eyebrows, she said. Cause of course I have asked all these questions of the artist. I have like unprecedented access to the artist. And so I asked kind of some questions. I said, oh, my eyes are red.

And she said, those are your eyebrows. And I said, oh. You fucking idiot. You fucking dumb ass. Okay. And then I said, oh, I like my belly button. And she said, that's your shirt. And I said, the green part?

And she said, yeah, the black part is your belly and the green is your shirt. I was like, what's my shirt? Like the size of a nickel, but okay. So it's like you're in a tank top that's three sizes too small. You know, that's the most like in a tank top. That's two three sizes too small You know, that's the most like realistic three-year-old drawing ever like oh, here's your big grotesque fucking stomach That can not even fit into the dime sized shirt. I drew for you

That's real. That's real humbling And then she said here your ears are yellow And they're they also disconnected from your face said here, your ears are yellow. And they're also disconnected from your face. And I'm wearing purple shoes, which is nice. And the black mustache is real? Is that, I mean, that's real to me. It's actually a big smile on my nose.

So I, you're, it's honestly you who looks like a fool now. Oh, I see. And then she took this nice picture. She's never drawn like a person before. So I was like, oh my gosh, this is very exciting. And I felt really honored that person before so I was like oh my gosh this is very exciting and I felt really honored that I was I was the first one. She then drew Blaze and for some reason Blaze got a lot more normal features. He does have long red hair which I don't really know where that came from but he does

also have arms which if you notice didn't happen for me and I asked you know where my arms she's like you don't need any. I was like, oh. Yeah. Okay. Okay. There's nothing, probably even more so than a sleep paralysis demon. There's nothing more terrifying to me than a child with a crayon.

Cause what is gonna come out of your fucking head? It's so good. Because have you seen those companies that make stuffies based on your kids drawings and they all look- Nightmare fuel, but I love it. So smart. Deranged. It's the funniest thing ever.

I want to make like a little, this is so scary. Like this stuffy would be, would be nightmare fuel. So that's why I drink. I feel like I've, you know, Liana has reached a new milestone where I'm going to live in some sort of being put in my place over and over again, as she paints different variations of me

and explains what they are. So it's been good over here. But that's why I'm drinking my caffeinated makeout soda. What are you up to? I'm drinking the rest of this water. And then I've got that's the saddest thing. This water. Oh, wow.

I'm so glad you had something after that, because it was really dark when you just held up like the last slug of a water bottle this one. I didn't finish yesterday, so I drink For a few reasons I drank one because five minutes before this I Dropped my microphone on hardwood floor, so if it sounds weird. That's why oh you sound really good. Maybe that's why oh Maybe it just knocked it into place finally. It just muted you. Oh, that's it. Just lowered the volume significantly.

Well, if at any point there's a weird, if I just start sounding like I'm echoing or something, that's why. So I live in paranoia about that. I got back in touch with some old friends, which is lovely. So that's why I drink this week. Oh, like local ones in Virginia?

Yeah. They were people that I've thought for years, like I should reach out to them. And then I finally did. And it's been very nice to get back in touch with them. Did you get lunch at the diner? Is that what people do in Virginia to catch up? It feels like you'd go to a little diner

and like catch up in Virginia for some reason. I feel like everyone here does have their favorite diner. I have not, oh, I did actually go to a little diner and like catch up in Virginia for some reason. I feel like everyone here does have their favorite diner. I have not, oh, I did actually go to a diner. Yeah, my favorite one, actually I went with Alison when she was in town. Aw, another old friend. Another old friend of yours that I stole away. Oh, the main reason I drank,

I forgot to tell you last time we recorded. Oh boy. And it's to me a biggie, I feel like to the, and that's why I forgot to tell you last time we recorded. Oh, boy. And it's to me a biggie. I feel like to the and that's why I drink community. It's a biggie. Is I went down to my old college stomping grounds last week, which includes where I used to go ghost hunting and stomping. I stomped around when I was ghost hunting for sure.

Stomped around everywhere you go. I do have a heavy heel, yes. But I, so I went down to Yorktown where I used to go ghost hunting and I, it was like, I hadn't been back since college and so it was my first time like having a memory lane moment and- You guys, that's over a decade ago for us. If you're not keeping track or you don't know-

I'm done talking about it. I'm gonna just go jump in. Oh come on, own reality, a decade ago for us. If you're not keeping track or you don't know. I'm done talking about it. I'm gonna just go jump in. Oh, come on. Own reality, Em, come on. Own reality. It doesn't feel like much farther than, it doesn't feel like five years, but when I hear 10, I go, wow, it has been a while.

But so I went down there and it was a cathartic moment. When I left college, I was in a pretty sour spot. And I really, I know I said this before, I really love college, but not only that, I really love my college town. It was like the perfect, ideal little town to go to college in. And I had so many great memories there.

But then when I left, I left kind of in a hurry and I didn't get to appreciate and say goodbye to a lot of stuff. And so it was a very nostalgic moment for me. But while I was there, I literally went to the old buildings that I used to go ghost hunting in. And my favorite one that I used to go ghost hunting in

all the time has sadly changed ownership and kind of to an asshole. Like I'm not gonna say the location because I don't feel like ratting people out totally, but the guy that worked there was like not friendly. He was like definitely the manager there. What kind of business was it? Is it like?

It was like a food coffee shop kind of place. Oh, okay, okay. So it's not like you went into a ghost hunting establishment. Like it was like a building that you used to ghost hunt in, but it's a different kind of okay. Okay, so it's not like you went into a ghost hunting Establishment like it was like a building that you used to ghost hunting, but it's a different I used to go something else every week for years Yeah, but it was not very building is not like where the ghost hunting group is located or something He's not the manager of a ghost hunting thing. He's like, okay It used to be something else and we had permission to go ghosting there. Okay, okay. So he's like, you no longer have that permission.

Well, I didn't even want to ask that I didn't even really, I actually wasn't even going to say anything. But when I was there, I just asked like an employee who was on him, he was just like a typical mansplaining guy. That's all. Like he didn't do anything further than that. But I was just like, this is not your moment. Not good vibes.

I'm having a memory lane moment and now a man is here. Now you're ruining it. Now a man cave in. Why are you here? You're ruining my time. So I asked one of the employees, I was like, oh, when did you guys change? How long has this business been here?

That's all I wanted to know. I was like, how long has it been since I've been back? And he just jumped in and he went, oh, it's been closed for 15 years. And I was like, nope. He said, before we got here, it's been closed for 15 years and I was like no he said before we got here it's been closed forever and I was like no it hasn't I literally used to come here all the time. What a weirdo. And he just like wanted to say something I guess and he was like no it's been like it

was like 10 years since we moved in and I did the math and I was like I literally was here that then like what are you talking about? But so I said something where I just kind of wanted to shut it down and I was like oh really because I was here 10 years ago I used wanted to shut it down and I was like, oh really? Cause I was here 10 years ago, I used to be here every week. And he went, no, no, no, you're wrong. And I went, okay, fine buddy. Yeah.

And so just to like, I don't know, I was being a little petty, I guess. I don't know how petty it really sounded, but to me it felt like a real humdinger of a line. Yeah, I can't wait. And I was like, oh, is this place still haunted by that little girl? Just like.

That little girl who hates mansplainers? Yeah. You know what, by the way, she did fucking hate men. So. Yeah, no wonder. And he said, oh yeah, it's still haunted. And I went, yeah, I used to be really good friends with the ghosts here.

So, and I just kind of left. Like it didn't sound like anything to him probably, but to me, I was like like I hope the little girl heard me say that honestly sick of promise you she did yeah that's the goal I did say hi to her I went just you know I haven't forgotten you I still think about you all the time and because of you I still work with those that's nice no wonder he was like get out of my restaurant you're scaring the customers no I went right up there and I I went right back to the exact room where all the stuff

used to happen and I just gave a little moment and I said, just so you know, I hope to be back but I haven't forgotten you and still think about you and we had a really nice relationship together. I really like that ghost. She was really lovely. Do you think she stayed there? I don't know. Did you feel like she was there when you were talking?

I like to think that I felt something. I might have just been like kind of placebo affecting myself. But I felt like someone was there. Did you tell her to stay there or did you? I did my goodbye, goodbye, goodbye as I was leaving. I was like, maybe she came with you. If she did, I have made it clear I'm not interested in that. But anyway, it was just like a bittersweet moment

because I used to go there all the time and I was hoping to actually like get my usual order and everything and then I showed up and it was a different business and anyway. Is a bummer. Yeah, but it was lovely. I thought it to me, it was also my version, I guess of a ghost update for everybody.

So. I love a ghost update. Are we allowed to know the girl's name? Did she have a name? I don't know if she had a name. All I remember from her, which I did say like her stats to her, cause I was like, in case you don't remember me,

I just want to tell you what I know about you, and I haven't forgotten. In case you don't remember me, let me tell you all about you. Let me just be like an old, like Italian mobster and like recite your own life. Just gonna all your children's names and ages, yeah. No, but my memory is that we, and we did,

I mean, I was there for years. We would ask the same questions over and over again. Consistently we got that there was a boy and a girl there. The boy was around 14, the girl was around 12. They were either brother and sister, or they were such close friends that they were like siblings. Oh.

There was, we think the boy they were like siblings. Oh. We think the boy died in the closet. Oh, geez. Not in the usual way someone might die in a closet, but this was back during the Revolutionary War era. And what we've gathered is that we think he was looking out the window and he realized that troops were coming into town. He got scared.

They came into the house and they found him in the closet. Oh my God. That's the story that we were able to kind of piece together. I don't know how true it is. And the girl is the most famous one. Everyone apparently has a story with the girl. She's the one who I heard like the giggling and the footsteps and so. And you taught her about cooking ice cream, cookies?

I did and I taught, that was the house where I taught the ghosts about the internet. That's right, yeah and cell phones. And cell phones, yeah that was where they used my cell phone. Anyway, a lot of good memories there. Wow, that's like what I imagine, like every time you talk about your ghost hunting days, I picture that room, I mean I don't know what it looks like but like I have a picture in my head of like the every time you talk about your ghost hunting days, I picture that room. I mean, I don't know what it looks like,

but like I have a picture in my head of like the room where you talk to the girl ghost and all that. I took a picture for you actually. You should send it to me. Maybe I should draw a picture of what I saw. Oh, that'd be great, Han. So I won't send it to you yet, but let me know when you. I don't know how to draw a picture.

Ask Leona. Oh my God. Is this her? Is this the girl? Wait a minute. Wait, she has red eyebrows? I think your kid automatically writes and I think... Automatically draws.

Automatically draws. She nailed it. Anyway, so I was happy to be there. It was a lot of closure for me, but it was also like, oh, it had to be ruined by a man, you know? But it was nice to be back in a room that I've just thought about forever. That's kind of nice. I hope she was happy to see you. I'm sure she was if she's still there. I hope so her and I never had beef I also went to the spot where I got detained by the police. Oh, that's that's that's thrilling. Did you tell the guy that?

Oh, don't worry. I just got arrested here a few times. You don't even want me here. I'm a bad boy Yeah, bad. Watch out. I'm so bad not only do the Ghosts, but I am a bad boy so and I know the names of all your children in their ages. I'm also in the mob Anyway, I hope he's You know I guess I don't know I hope he's getting a little haunted today That's all I do too. Maybe like just moving and stuff around or making this coffee too cold You know I hope I hope she pulls a casper and like ties his Shoes together when he'd mansplains again, you know something like that Anyway, and I drink my water. So

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Yes, that's how this goes always. So we're gonna, I assume we're gonna try to rapid fire here. But this is the May Stringer House. And it is in Florida. Okay. Or not a single other crazy thing has ever happened. No, certainly not. It's very calm down there.

Very normal. This is in Brooksville, Florida. First of all, that does not sound like the name of a place in Florida immediately. I should be saying this is from wacky town, Florida. Seriously, Brooksville feels like Idaho, you know. Florida has to be something like tortoise shell bay or some bullshit.

I was just down there and I'm clearly totally over it. You're missing tortoise shell bay in wacky town Florida. I actually did find a, well, I didn't. My dad brought us to a tortoise burrow and we saw the mommy come out. And it was really cute. And then she saw us and was like, get the fuck away from us.

And we were like, sorry. It's not called a human day. Literally, she was like, get like, how many times do I have to tell you? Bernie, get out of here. Bernie, stop bringing your weird friends and family over to my burrow. Anyway, I did see a tortoise,

but that's about all the excitement to be had there for me. Good to know. Well, it's cause you missed Brooksville. I missed Brooksville. And let's see, this house is on the National Register of Historic Places. I feel like I always have to say that for some reason.

Where is Brooks? Is that like, what part of Florida do you know? You're asking me things I just don't know. Oh my God, you don't even know this? Okay, Brooke, what is it? Really thought we were just gonna, I thought Florida was a good enough geographic point. Let me know, because there's also like Miami,

but then there's like... I think it's near, it's like a Henrico County, maybe it's near Tampa. I saw like a lot of my sources were Tampa news outlets. Okay, wow. Wow, Brooksville is a city and county seat of Hernando County, Florida. Hernando County, not Henrico.

Okay, this is apparently a much bigger town than I thought, maybe? Let's see, it's, oh, you're right, I'm so like Tampa area, but farther north. Hold that right out of my little butt. You're so good at things. I know. So obviously this place is near Tampa.

We all knew that. And this house is sometimes referred to as Florida's most haunted house. And as soon as I saw that I went, ugh, this is not gonna be a short story. No, and also like, really? Isn't there all that shit in Key West, but okay. Like what happened to the St. Augustine Lighthouse?

Like, right, I guess it's a house, maybe that's what they're saying, like this is technically a house. Yeah, I don't know, cause I, yeah, when it comes to- Robert the Doll's house, there's Hemingway's house, there's a lot of haunted houses. When it comes to most haunted, I'm always like, okay, so you're an elistical, that's like-

Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. I guess anybody could say that, technically, yeah. And so, you know what we should do? We should come up with the award ceremony. I love that. Why not? I call it a ghosty, a spooky, something like that. Ooh! And whoever wins the spooky is the most haunted until next year when someone else can win the spooky. Okay, so it's like a place?

Like a place that is most haunted? Okay. Okay, cool. I love this idea. Like a place that is most haunted? Okay, okay, cool. I love this idea. And, okay, here we go. So it is like one of those painted lady Victorian homes. It has gingerbread trim. Love that. I love that.

And it is now a four-story house. It was originally a two-story four-room house. I only mention that because there's a fun fact that comes up about that. But these days it's a four-room house. I only mention that because there's a fun fact that comes up about that. But these days it's a four-story house. It was originally a plantation home, yikes. There were 56 enslaved people here in one given year according to an 1860 census and it was remodeled later to become the four-story house that is city. It was about half that size back then. As you can predict, super racist history here. Not only were there a lot of plantations in the whole area of Brooksville, Florida,

but there was intense KKK activity here. The they were actively trying to remove indigenous people still living there all the way through the 1800s. The city itself, Brooksville, is literally named after a guy who physically beat up an abolitionist on the Senate floor. And here's your award, the Town Key. It's just like, what in the world? Okay.

So the first person who lived on the property that we know, let me put it this way, the first white person to live here, it was in the 1840s. The person who discovered it for the first time ever. You're onto something. Yeah, I get it. I know how it goes.

He had, oh, his name was Richard Wiggins and he moved here under the Yikes Indian Removal Act. Dick Wiggins, you don't say. Dick Wigg, yeah, that's exactly right. He, so he was a home setter and he moved here under this act that basically said, oh, if you move on this property and live here for five years, then we're going to give you 160 acres. And it was basically a way to very quickly push people out.

So he lived on the property. But only like 15 years later, the house that we talk about in this story was built. And it was built by a guy named John May who fun fact with his 56 enslaved people in just one year was the second largest owner of enslaved people in the area. So that's the person we're working with. He and the last horse across the finish line. That's right. So he and his wife Marina, and then their daughters, Matilda and Annie, are the ones that moved in. The house with this is why I mentioned the setup of the house

when he built it, not only was he like already a character I wouldn't like to break bread with, but he's also a little slimy because he built the house very weirdly to avoid taxes. So, for example, their for example, their staircase was outside and basically the house was detached. So it was almost like a first floor and a loft. So he's one of those where he's like, just trying to skirt rules that like,

he can perfectly find follow, but chooses not to because he thinks he's above it. Okay. Yes. Excellent. Lucky for our story, three years in he's it. Okay. Yes. Excellent. Lucky for our story, three years in he's dead. So, oh good. He fell down the stairs one summer day. One outside staircase at a time. Inside of a swamp. So he dies of tuberculosis and his funeral is in the parlor.

Fun fact, his family continued to live there and his wife remarried in the the parlor. Fun fact, his family continued to live there and his wife remarried in the same parlor that his funeral was in. Oh, hi, I thought you were about to say she remodeled. And I was like, good for her. She put the staircase inside. Can you imagine, that would be lovely. She remarried, okay, in the funeral home.

If you're gonna have an outdoor staircase to your fucking house. That's insane. In Florida? It's like moss covered and has alligators on it. You can't convince me otherwise. There's at least a snake a month. For sure at least a snake.

Those little lizards or the iguanas when they come in there? You'd have to like remove them every time you go up the stairs because those iguana things are heavy. They do look heavy. I don't know why I know that. I think I just assume that. I don't think I know that. I think I'm just assuming because I haven't picked one they feel like the case of like a case of beer or something

Yeah, right cuz they like thud down from a tree and it's like whoa You got to be a weighty little boy. I certainly don't like it. I'll get out of my staircase so Yeah, he dies. She remarries in the same parlor Which I guess the parlor was just the spillover room because it seems like everything happens in a parlor. It's the event space, yeah. So she remarries to a guy named Frank Saxon,

who doesn't seem much better than the first guy. Good. She knows how to pick him. That's what I say about Marina. You know what? In the 1860s, when all you got to do is just find someone with money. Maybe you don't get to pick him, you know what I mean? Maybe you don't. As a woman, yeah. She was like, I've got two little girls, I'm hungry,

come on in. There's an iguana on the stairs, somebody help. That's exactly right. I would also, I would dare I say marry a man if he would handle all of the beer-paced heavy animals. For sure, for sure. At least there's something they're good for, you know? You know what?

That's exactly right. That's about all the worse to me. Pick up my beer and move the iguana out of the way. And if funny, Leona only drew him with arms. Wow, Em, I think you are onto something. Leona was saying you don't need arms because daddy's going to handle all of the iguanas. You rest those hands of yours. Rest those dainty little digits.

I've got it from here. So she marries Frank. Frank is a Civil War soldier. Guess what side he played on? He's known as a Confederate hero. What does that mean? Good. Oxymoron to me.

And fun fact, he was also casually involved in the murder of a local black reverend who was formerly enslaved by the family he just fucking married into. Ew, what? This reverend who, you know, is now free, he is there a better way to say that? Oh, I think emancipated maybe? Emancipated. He was now a reverend. He officiated interracial marriages. I guess there was one couple that got married.

Remember back then that was not legal. Right, of course. The town racists, probably 99% of the people there, hated this. And there is some, I don't know the entire exact gossip, but there were a few squabbles where the group would like approach this reverend and threaten him about like, hey, don't fucking do that anymore. At some point, the group approaches the reverend again. One person in the crowd who was not Frank, but it was certainly his friend,

shot the reverend and killed him. Jesus. OK. And not only that, but during these white supremacist riots, they also set the courthouse on fire and destroyed a lot of the testimonies about this event so they can maybe get away with it. And Frank's part of this group? He's complicit in the behavior of this. Got it, okay, okay.

And so anyway, a lot of the, fun fact, history about this house is also now never gonna be found out because records of this house were at that courthouse and it got set on fire. So we don't totally know anything after that squabble. So anyway, Frank squabble. This little squabble. This big fat racist murderous squabble.

Oh God. So that's Frank, he's a Confederate hero This is a little squabble. This big fat racist murderous squabble. Oh, god. So that's Frank. He's a Confederate hero who also has friends with people who kill emancipated people. Yeah, great. I'm super duper. So what could go wrong?

I know. Again, Marina, girl, I hope it's because you're desperate, not because you think they're actually that cute. Yeah. So the group. Oh, no, so that's it, that's the history to him. So Frank, second husband, and Marina have a son.

The son ends up dying at five weeks old. Aw. Later on they have a daughter who, if you don't remember anything else from this, remember that her name was Jessie Mae. She is our main ghost. And wasn't the last name, oh, oh, so that's just her last name, May. I think in honor of her previous husband.

That's her middle name now. They named her middle name May. Gotcha, in honor of her mom's late husband. Previous relationship, yeah. And also maybe to connect her to her other two daughters that she has. That makes sense. Their last name's May. And May is a nice middle name anyway.

It's like, has a nice ring to it. I will say, interesting that Frank was supportive of that. I agree, but maybe it's like when someone dies, you know, it's like, well, that's, maybe it was just more accepted. I don't know. Yeah. So they had the son who died at five weeks, then they have Jessie May, but Marina dies during childbirth.

Oh no. And Jessie Mae also dies at three years old. Oh no! Geez, okay. Yeah, and we don't know the reason for that. But fun fact, Jessie Mae's only portrait was her postmortem portrait and it is now in the parlor of the house. Oh god.

But I think it's a way to like honor her. She seems to be a very popular ghost there and she seems to really like when people mention her. So maybe the picture is to stir conversation. I have like full body, completely covered in chills for some reason. Is it her? I don't know.

I hope not. Well, let me see that picture of her. What's her name? Jessie Mae. Jessie Mae, post-mortem photograph of a three-year-old. Good luck. Sorry, everybody. Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. It's wild that they do that. I get why they used to back then, but it was a- Yeah, yeah, because it's like, you didn't know you would need a picture, before they passed, and then it's like, well. Or if it's like you didn't know you would need a picture before they passed and then it's like, well... Or if it's like the only memory you'll have of them.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. Take the picture. Okay, this is starting to get really sad and weird. Okay, I'm out, bye. So that's the history of the Mae family who lived here, is that basically Marina had two relationships here, children came from both of them, she ended up dying in the house husband her first husband died in the house

so anyway the I don't know what happens after I don't know what happens after that but In an ideal world Frank now raises all three of or no Frank raises his two stepdaughters And is no longer a white's premises. That's the dream. So that would be that would be great wouldn't it? Yeah, when he when he turns back on everything he ever fought for. Yeah, we can dream. After they end up leaving the house, it is now owned by the Stringer family,

hence May Stringer House. The house is owned by Dr. Sheldon Stringer. Sheldon Stringer, I love the alliteration. That's a good one. That's a good one. His parents really went with it there. Fun fact, he loved the House of Seven Gables. And so apparently this house, when he got it,

had three gables and he went, ah, ah, ah, and he added four gables. I know just what to do. It's like, my signature touch will be four gables. Okay, wow. So fun fact, now it is literally a House of Seven Gables. OK, wow. So fun fact, now it is literally a house of seven gables. OK. And his house also was a clinic, which was very common back

then if you were a doctor. So you'd make one of the floors your clinic. So already, forget the indigenous people who probably died on the property, the enslaved people who probably died on the property, the May family who's now been here. Now it's a literal doctor's office where deaths are happening.

Even if people are surviving traumas, like amputations and things like that, that energy is still there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people are coming in and out all day. Yeah, and there is a theory. We have no proof of this, but it has been alleged that this was also,

not just his clinic, but he turned it into a sanatorium specifically for people enduring smallpox and yellow fever. Oh, okay. In which case there's a lot more deaths. Which, by the way, in Fredericksburg, we have an old school apothecary. Oh yeah, that's right.

It looks like it does. And I took Allison when she was in town to the apothecary tour and they show you how they used to do old-fashioned amputations. Oh! Shut up! With all the old equipment and everything. It looks like you're in an 1800s clinic room. And then apparently, I was talking to the docent.

She's like our age, so I think she didn't feel like she totally had to be in character. Yeah. And she said something. We were like, just be real with us. How do you explain this to kids? She said, she was like, oh, well, whenever we have school tours come in, whoever's the rowdiest kid, I amputate him.

Oh! OK. She was like, he wants the attention, so we let him sit in the chair. And then we do the whole thing, and we do it. But I guess the point of their school tour is that they get to volunteer somebody to do the amputation on.

Which if you're nine years old, I would obviously wanna be that person so badly. I did too, yeah. So in some, I'm sure in an adult way, it's like hee hee hee, it's because you're kind of being a bit of a pest, but as a kid, you know he's gonna talk about it for the rest of his life. He's just like, this is my dream.

Yeah. But, um, and then when I found out that they do, like, examples or like, they like, reenact it, I was like, why? Because you saw a room of 30 year olds, you didn't ask if we wanted to reenact it. I would have absolutely- Yeah, I was gonna say for kids, what do you do for adults? I was like, had I known that before we were talking now, I would have absolutely. Yeah, I was gonna say for kids? What do you do for adults? I was like, had I known that before we were talking now, I would have raised my hand sky high

to get my arm amputated. Mimi, pick me. Just because it's so fascinating. Oh, they literally have a jar there still full of like live leeches and Homegirl just dunked her hand in the bowl and just picked up a leech and just showed it to. No, thank you.

I was like- What, they're alive in there? Oh, like a real fucking leech. Which by the way, talk about thuds, because that thing, she was a big girl. Like, I thought leeches were like little inch worms. That thing was like a toad size. Well, you know why they get big, right?

Cause they drink all the blood and shit and then they swell up like a tick. Well, I asked her, I was like, why are you holding that girl? Like, isn't it gonna like suck your blood? And apparently they like feed them like a diet that is not blood. So it's like, he's chunky because he's-

He does not eat blood, right, okay, that's fair. But so she was like, when they're not hungry, they won't suck on you. So she just felt comfortable. But not knowing that and watching a girl stick her hand in a bowl full of live fucking leeches, I was like, this is fear factor. Like, it feels like it feels like I need to exit the room.

Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, they literally had a basket full of hay in there and I was like, oh, what's that? And she's like, oh, that's where the limbs go after you empty. I know. Oh, my God. I was so like back in the day. Yeah. Oh, because it soaks up the moisture. Yeah. The blood. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm so fascinated by like, the blood. Oh my God. Oh my God.

I'm so fascinated by like old school medical stuff. It's wild. Anyway, I was thinking about my own Fredericksburg Apothecary when I was reading this. And yeah, so, and they, but they sometimes didn't have painkillers back then because they were too expensive. So you just had to.

They would just like ether you. They would like just like put shit over your face to like. Yeah, there was like a part at first where they, there was part of the, part of the procedure where they said like, we hope this part is the part where you pass out from the pain because otherwise it gets worse. And I was like, oh my God.

I was like, I was like that. Anyway, if you'd like to go on a really disturbing apothecary tour, go to Fredericksburg, Virginia. I mean, I would. It was fascinating, I was so glad. I love old medical stuff too, I find it like deeply fascinating. I have a book I'm reading, it's not like, relax,

but it's like a, it's heavily pictured, heavily pictured. But it's, I actually bought it from that apothecary. It's like a Revolutionary War medical stuff. It's the bear and the Stain Bearers go to the doctor. Oh, sorry. Pretty much, but it's very interesting. I'll give it to you when you're done or when I'm done. It's, obviously if I can read it,

you could flip through it in like five seconds. But I remember when you mentioned that once before, I think. I would love to take a peek at that. Anyway, so he the the new family who's been is the Stringers. He's a doctor. He's turned this into a clinic on the bottom where maybe he's doing the same things I saw at my apothecary. He is also the family that expands it into a four story house. Three generations of his family live here. Eventually when it passes on from the Stringer family, it is owned by a few other families. It ends up in 1980, flash forward, to-

Oh wow, very far forward. It exchanges a lot of hands. It's like a, it's a rental space at one point. It gets sold to the historical society of the area. The Hernando Historical Museum Association. You don't have to remember that. Hernando County. That's exactly right.

So they bought it in 1980 and now they fundraise to try to preserve it and all that stuff. Many of the rooms look as they did back then, especially because a lot of the town has done a lot of donations there to keep the decor looking as real as authentic as possible. And they've also turned some of the rooms into exhibits to give you an idea of what life looked like back then. So you know I fucking love it. I love that, living history. Literally nothing gets me more jobs

than a living history museum. You and I, you know we want to just time travel for a living, that would be just a dream. I want it, I want it, Christine. Yeah. What did I say in that text to you last week? You know what I want. Say you want it. Say you want it, too. You're so you're literally out of your mind is what you are.

Oh, I have chills just thinking about it. So some of the rooms are a military room to me. Yawn. Then there's an 1880s doctor's office. Hello. And then there's a 1900s communication room with like old school radios and speakers and stuff like that. And obviously the museum is aware that they're incredibly haunted. They lean into the haunts. So it's not like they're trying to hide it, which I love. And the museum hosts home tours, like of just the building, but also two hour to six hour ghost tours with equipment. Oh, cool.

And they have a house binder full of evidence from like a hundred investigations. Oh, that's awesome. You know I love a binder with evidence. I love, oh, if I, in the Living History Museum, are you kidding me? Ah. There's two people I'm gonna talk about evidence. I love if I in the living history museum. Are you kidding me? There's two people I'm going to talk about who work there.

One's name is Bonnie. We love Bonnie and then there's autumn. We also have autumn, but we know less about autumn. Okay. So Bonnie is like the main overnight. Docent she calls herself the docent. I don't know if that's if there's a better word for that, but she is the one who does all of the overnight ghost stuff because apparently everyone else is too scared.

You know what I'm saying? But she's been there for like almost 20 years. Wow. She really just loves this place. She's the expert. She says that ghost-wise, this house is like Grand Central Station for ghosts. That there is just stuff

coming in and out all the goddamn time and there are let's see oh apparently the at least four or five of the Mays and Saxons are buried on the property so John Mays family and Frank all the Marina's husbands have family buried on the property. Okay, okay. And plus on top of that, there's the ghosts, like I said, indigenous people, enslaved people, stringers, doctors, patients, family who's buried there, antiques that have been donated to the place that carry energy, all those spirits might be there.

True. And around 2002, Bonnie was working there, and a paranormal team came in and said, hey, we, you know, it's rumored through town that this place is haunted, can we do a ghost hunt here? And it went so well, and they got so much stuff, they ended up coming back five more times. Oh, my gosh.

And they ended up telling the staff, like, if you're trying to raise funds, like, why are you not offering ghost tours? Like this is a jackpot situation. So ever since then, the house has been doing the ghost tours to raise funds for preserves, preserving the house and at least 80 different teams have come through throughout that time. That's a lot. Another way that they raise funds, every Halloween, they put on this event event called Ghost Fest where they turn the haunted house into a haunted house attraction

They also do like the food trucks and fortune tellers and all that And after this event so writer also people are coming in and out a lot So that's ramping up activity plus. It's Halloween all Hallows Eve They say that around this time the activity is always higher in the the house and it takes a second for things to settle back down. But now it's- That's always so fascinating. I don't know. I just find that interesting.

Like it like riles things up, you know? Kind of like a renovation or something. Well, okay. So I thought the same thing. And I always wonder like if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Like are you now just inviting more things into the house? Right, right, right.

I don't know, seems to work for them. So now all I'm gonna do is just list, for the rest of time it seems, different ghosts that people experience. Read the binder, read the binder. I feel like I'm reading the binder. So in the house, people hear obviously voices, they feel something tap on their back,

they hear whispering, doors open and close, something tap on their back. They hear whispering. Doors open and close. Lights turn on and off. People have experienced weird smells, like sometimes it's normal, like perfume or cigar or food, but then it's like, oh, death. Just random smell of death. Cool.

Women feel spider webs on them, which I know you've felt a lot before. Yeah, that's actually usually Eva's. I have definitely felt that, but Eva usually feels like there's, she thinks that there's like, you know, when you have like a hair, a long hair on your arm and you're trying to pull it off,

she gets that feeling a lot when we go ghost hunting. Like something's kind of like on her. It's usually the first thing she says. Yeah, it's kind of, it's scary because it's like a physical thing, you know? It feels like something's touching you. Like it's too close, too close. It's always, yeah, I feel like whenever Eva says

she feels spider webs on her, it's her saying, it's starting, you know? I know, it always feels like, and here we go. So that happens a lot for women in the house, they feel the spider webs. Okay. They're in the attic, there's a bed, like just a leftover bed,

and it messes itself up all the time. Oh, like the bedding? Yeah. Ugh. Like they'll go into the room. It's totally fine. They'll leave for five seconds and come back in the bed's mess. Yuck. Shoes in the rooms, because remember, they make it,

they still make it look like it's a living history. So they have clothes and stuff in there. Oh, I keep forgetting that. I'm like, does someone forget the bed? OK. Oh, no, they have it up there for like show. OK. So shoes in the room will move on their own Are they like old-timey shoes? I guess so. Oh, well, that would be weird if they were new balance, I guess Never mind. They're actually my back to the future Nike Airbags Honestly, those would get stolen so fast. They get swiped by me

Yeah, actually they'd be put in the lost and found at the airport, which is where I put them Well people also hear crashes and bangs, knocks, thuds. The alarms inside the house get set off all the time. I'm sure it's one of those houses that like the police don't even want to cover anymore. They're like, oh, not again. And then they make the rookie do it. Yeah. People feel breath in their face. They hear crying specifically when they turn the vacuum on. I wonder if it's just too loud and they've- Oh.

And they're like, what the hell is this thing? Well, I wonder if they just start crying. Oh, sorry. I should say, sorry. They hear like children crying. So maybe it sounds scary to them. Oh, I was like, why would it make you cry? Oh, okay.

I wonder if like, it's, you know how you use static, like a spirit box to hear voices like I wonder if it's that like humming like white noise that like lets you hear the sound. Interesting because my thought was like maybe that energy is like messing with their energy or something. Because when I have Leona's baby monitor on I can like you can like hear it almost feels like you can hear more of like different I don't know I don't know it's weird they're saying about how the baby how like a white noise makes it feel like you're hearing things that aren't there necessarily if that's not in a movie it ought to be I'm sure

it is I'm sure it is because it's like a it's quite a phenomenon especially for sleep-deprived parents speaking of horror movies I gotta tell you I've since I've been landlocked my stepbrother and I have made it a thing where like every night we're watching a horror movie. And we watched both movies, there's two of these somehow. The Winnie the Pooh horror movie. What? It's called Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey.

No, thank you. That's insane. What is wrong with people? Why would you do something like that? They're trying to create like, I guess a lot of- Oh, oh, what the fuck? Yeah, it's really actually shockingly grotesque. I hate this, 3% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Yeah, that's right. But basically he's vengeful because Christopher Robin left them in the Hundred Acre Wood and now he attacks all humans. People also ask, how is Winnie the Pooh blood and honey legal? Actually, I do know the reason. I don't know the right words,

but I guess like the after so many years, like the IPs. Yeah, it's in public domain now, like happy birthday. Well, so now this company, you know how there's like the Marvel Universe, blah, blah, they're coming out with all the things that are now public domain they're trying to put into this universe.

So right now, because Pooh was the first one, they're calling it the Poonaverse. You know what? I've had about enough of these people. Who is this? And there's gonna be like Peter Pan and all these people are gonna all come together as like an ensemble Avengers movie one day

and just like kill Poonaverse. I'll be honest, I'm like really not happy about this Winnie the Pooh thing. I'm actually like very upset about it because Winnie the Pooh is like my thing and I'm now mad about it. Okay, but here's the thing that will really set you off. If they were to write a Pooh horror movie, wouldn't you think because it's like it's like Pooh and his gang of friends in the Hundred Acre Wood. Would you not fucking expect Tigger to be there? I was gonna say well Tigger would have to use his spring tail. And guess what? He's not in it at all. At all.

Do you know why? Probably because Tigger is not in the public fucking domain yet. Well, maybe that's true, but then he makes an appearance in the second one. Oh, I see. But like, OK, but here's the thing. So it was basically just it was just poo and piglet the first time. They say in the description They say the people that you are going to see murdering everybody is poo piglet owl Rabbit and then an Eeyore makes like a guest appearance

Here's the thing no fucking sign of Eeyore no fucking sign of rabbit and either movie no fucking sign Rabbit's the angriest one That's what I'm saying like he has a lot of anger of Rabbit in either movie, no fucking sign of Owl until the... Rabbit's the angriest one. That's what I'm saying. He has a lot of anger. He's a lot of energy to take out. You know he's just boiling under the surface. You know he's about to snap.

Well, literally, we saw the description, and then throughout the whole movie, the whole first movie, I was like, where the fuck is Rabbit? Where the fuck is Owl? Where is everybody? And why weren't Kenga and Root a mother-son team? Are you kidding me?

That would've been really interesting. Made for it. Nope, nothing. It was only Pooh and Piglet. And then the second movie, they finally introduce Tigger, who only gets like three scenes and Owl gets more scenes than Pooh. Huh? And he doesn't look like, like he looks like Freddy Krueger.

Like he doesn't even look like an owl. I'm mad about this. I'm actually really upset. You know what I saw? But at one point, what? Nosferatu. Oh, me too. You did? Yeah. I loved it. You'm actually really upset. You know what I saw? But at one point, what? Nosferatu. Oh, me too. You did? Yeah. I loved it. You didn't like it?

No. But I also, I don't know, I'm, I was not tuned into anything Nosferatu beforehand. So if I'm supposed to like love it for what it was, I don't know what it was. I don't either. But we mentioned Nosferatu to my dad, because like, you know, it's from the 1920s. And he's like, Oh, yes, I know that guy. And we were like, you know that guy? Are you him? He kind of looks like Nosferatu. Yeah, he does a little bit. To be fair, he also said that he knows, he knows the Grinch. And we were like, Okay, I don't know, you've really lost it, I think. But so interesting, then we're watching the movie, and every time this motherfucking monster is doing something grotesque,

I just kept turning to my brother and going, I can't believe dad knows this guy. And then of course we started laughing, and then it just kind of probably ruined it for everyone else. But it was, I had a good watch, it was definitely a very gothic romance horror type thing. Definitely not as shock.

It wasn't who, blood and honey? I mean, no, and I'm so sorry Em that like it didn't live up to that for you but I'm glad you're enjoying yourself at home. I was actually I was also so disappointed in him. Not that I thought it was going to be a fucking like Oscar winner but I was just like where the hell's Tigger like what's going on and then when he showed up all he did every single line Tigger had every single line he ends it with calling someone a bitch. Tigger? Like they're at a rave. Now that fits. His first line, his first line,

they're at a rave and then he says, come here you fluorescent bitch, and then he just kills someone. I was like, what in the fuck is going on? This is not the 100-acre one that I know of. I'm actually not happy about that one bit. It's really weird. In fact, I'm very mad about it, actually, and I'm not pleased. How we got here, I just don't know. Blood and honey, get out of here. Get out of the grip. Anyway, I'm excited for when the ensemble cast, the entire Disney cast comes together.

I'm not. I'm deeply not happy about it. I'm trying to see where I could have gotten that from. Uh. Oh, that content that you just said about? Uh, you said horror movies, speaking of horror movies. It doesn't, whatever. Something about the vacuum, they hear kids crying during the vacuum. Oh, you said it should be in a horror movie to do white noise, and I said it, I'm pretty sure it is.

Yes. Okay Did everyone enjoy that tangent great? No. Oh, sorry people also see black mists. They see apparitions Apparently playing the music down playing music downstairs triggers really eerie energy. They think that's connected to the record player. Ooh That goes with the sound again like the music, like you start hearing stuff. I don't know. That's interesting, that's a good point. They also see a soldier sitting in a wheelchair where like the clinic used to be.

People have seen a World War II soldier. Seeing a soldier, like an old timey soldier would scare me so badly. Cause just after watching all those like war movies and in middle school and stuff where you had to see all the reenactments and it's like if I saw a soldier in front of me like from an old-timey period with a weapon I would be so fucking terrified especially because if I saw them I would assume like oh I'm witnessing a moment of war now I've like yeah like if they're

holding a fucking bayonet like yeah and they're. And they're coming at you? Yeah. Right. Well, apparently there's this World War II soldier that people have seen after his diary got donated there. Oh, that's interesting. He's attached to his diary. He was a poet. See, he's a bad boy with a good heart.

With a heart of gold. He's got an artsy side. You know I'm already falling for him. Well, that's because you fear him and love him at the same time. That's your favorite. Blood and honey, baby. On one tour, someone's ponytail lifted itself. Like someone was picking it up.

They're like, what the hell is this? Take this thing out. On another tour, a visitor was disappointed she hadn't heard anything, and then right behind her, there was this really loud whistle everyone heard. Yuck. One person heard the, apparently Tigger was there because one person heard the bathroom doorknob jiggling,

and at the same time, they got an EVP of someone saying, bitch. Bitch, the doorknob won't open. Come here, you fluorescent bitch. Bitch, the doorknob won't open. Come here, you fluorescent bitch. Bitch, I'm stuck in the bathroom. Fluorescent bitch is insane. They need to go to jail, these people. I don't care.

They're going to prison. So that staircase that was outside with all the iguanas on it eventually got moved inside during the renovations, which thank God. And there are lots of noises, lots of activity on those stairs. Some people even see a shadow person on the stairs. The employee Autumn, who I mentioned. It's that guy being like, I'm not paying taxes on this, okay?

Yeah, he's like, in case the H&R block guy comes over, they were outside. This was not me. So Autumn, the other employee I mentioned, this is her story of seeing a shadow person on that staircase. This is a quote from her. She said, I had walked to the front door to make sure it was locked and I had my cell phone light on

because we had already shut everything. We had already shut everything down. So she's walking around with her, only her cell phone light on right out of a horror movie. And when I got to the foyer, I shined my light towards the door and he was standing between myself and the door. Like no, like immediately no.

I turned around and go back to the gift shop, of course. Back to the gift shop I go, that is also my MO. She needed an FLT. She deserved it. I got one of my coworkers and we both returned to the front door and now he was on the stairs. They both saw him, so he's still there. That's not good.

Not only are two people now seeing him, but he stayed. It's not like he- And he moved, oh no. He moved and he didn't blink away, he's still there. And And she says the minute she saw him and I saw him at the same time She said let's get out of here and as we were heading back towards the door She turned around and saw that he was now standing in front of the stairs at this point. So he's still moving Oh, now he came close back closer, right? Yeah, so it's like he was like up the stairs and then he came back. No, no, no So I've never heard of an apparition

like staying consistently there for three different times. You're looking at it. Agreed, especially like moving to different spots. It's not like you close your eyes, look, he's still there. It's like he's moving towards you. And also it's not just residual, like he walked up the stairs and vanish. It's like he walked up the stairs, then you did something

and he turned around. Like absolutely not. He's really patrolling the steps. Yeah, I don't love that. Okay, now I have broken, I'm so sorry. I know this is long. I really, I was trying to give you a short one, but now I'm just gonna go in chunks. So this is easier to digest.

So- I can't wait. We're now gonna talk about the ghost kids here. So the ghost kids activity has been around since at least 1960 when they were first renovating the house, this is 20 years before it became a museum. And even just during those renovations, people were hearing a little girl saying mama. And they think that was maybe Jessie Mae

looking for her mom, because she was three and her mom died. Well, didn't her mom die during childbirth? Yeah, but I'm saying like she was three and still looking died, you know. Well, didn't her mom die during childbirth? Yeah, but she I'm saying like she was three and still looking for her mom who had died. So she didn't have a mom, basically. Yeah. People also constantly hear a child crying. Other times I hear a child laughing.

Very frequently, people hear kids running around upstairs. One time, Bonnie brought her kid to work with her. And while they were closing, she heard her daughter walking around upstairs and a second pair of footsteps following her. Oh that's nightmare I'd say both of you stay here bye yeah well then our daughter with me then her daughter came running down because she felt she said something grabbed her leg so it's almost like the footsteps were chasing her to like no grab her I thought it was like oh she was just upstairs playing with another kid but like that's way scarier

Yeah, no, she was just like around following her Which is interesting that the someone downstairs could hear the footsteps, but not the person that was walking right next to them Oh, that's interesting Yeah, some of the donations that have been brought here have been antique dolls Which the children go seem to gravitate towards. And some think that the dolls now belong to Jessie Mae. Sometimes they think it's another ghost has like kind of taken ownership of them

because people have seen a six-year-old girl sitting next to the doll's cradle. Well, those other girls who live there, right? Like two girls live there. Oh, that's true. Yeah, so it could be one of them. And they could be the ones saying mommy, because if they had like, Oh yeah.

Because if they grew up with their mom involved, yeah. Oh. There was also a black mist that hovered over one of the dolls when it first got there. Oh gosh. Which is either like, okay, the doll had an attachment or something at the building really liked this new doll. Yeah, yeah.

The fact that it's a black mist is a little weird, like, feels very Eeyore, like a dark cloud. There are dolls on display kind of throughout. There's like cribs and cradles with dolls. I mean, that's already bad. Like you and I have been places with dolls at night and it's like, it just, even if the nothing else

is happening, it's just bad vibes for me. Yeah, it's literally Several eyes like glassy eyes. Yeah Someone came to appraise one of the dolls and when he was looking at her Appraising her that's great and all but when he went to put her back He put her in the bed instead of in its crib and it like in its rightful spot fucking dumbass the bed instead of in its crib, in its rightful spot. Fucking dumbass. He left the room for a second and when he came back,

the entire crib was dismantled and scattered on the floor. What? What could that even mean? In my mind it's like, well if my dolly can't be here, then we might as well not have a fucking cradle. That's what it felt like to me, like something like. That is so freaky because that means like in the moments he was gone, it disassembled silently

or it just like snap of a finger, quantumly dismantled. It's always that question for us. How did it happen? Yeah. Quantum Ikea construction. Anyway, that's just about terrifying to me. People have also asked to touch the dolls or the crib and a spirit box will tell them no,

get out, get away from my dolls. The crib will explode into a million pieces. The crib will explode. All of a sudden you'll hear a fluorescent bitch over the spirit box. From the bathroom. Some say that they've also seen like an infant crawling on the floor by the cradle. Maybe that's Jessie Mae. There's a ball in Jessie Mae's room that they use during investigations. That has been said to move by itself. There are toys that are found in different positions. Sometimes they're found in completely different rooms. The teacups downstairs will move themselves from the table.

Tea party. I know. They'll move from the cabinet by themselves to the table. Oh, tea party. I know. Well, they'll move from the cabinet by themselves to the table. That's so cute. I guess they've hosted actual tea parties here, and when they set out a certain amount, they'll always find one extra has been put on the table. You forgot about me. It's like, girl, I want to drink tea too.

Oh. During one tour, one guy got his belt loop pulled on and they asked the spirit box if that was Jesse and instead they got the word Frank, or they got the phrase Franklin, please don't tell. And so they think that might be the son because it was Frank's son. So maybe we don't know the name of the son.

Now we don't know the name. We think it might be Franklin just because we heard Franklin and then like a little kid, like please don't tell. When of the son. Oh, we don't know the name. We think it might be Franklin, just because we heard Franklin, and then like a little kid, like please don't tell. When did that boy die? Six? At five weeks. Oh, five weeks. Yeah. But then it could also be any other kid, who knows?

Or it could be fucking Frank being weird, you know? I mean, I was gonna say, yeah, maybe it was Frank. Was his full name Franklin? I don't know. Could be. Okay, so that's it for the ghost. Now we're gonna talk about Marina, the one who married both of the men and had the kids.

Okay. So, oh, this is where I also have to send you photos. Ooh, okay. I lit a candle in here and it's like, I just lit my usual pumpkin one from Target that I always have in the fall. And there's something like, you know how a smell just makes things like feel completely different?

Oh yeah. It feels like so nice and cozy in here cause it's like that pumpkin candle and I feel like I've just been doing like Christmasy candles and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, it's so nice and like autumnal. Autumnal, I love that. Even though I'm snowed into my home in January.

Okay, so this is Marina. Okay. Sorry, are you sending to the group or to the... I haven't sent it yet. So Marina is seen often, or we think this is Marina. There is a woman that is seen a lot in a dress with her hair up. At this point, we think it's Marina. She's been seen quite a few times.

And one time a new volunteer was working and she was sitting next to some of the quilts that were hanging in the kitchen, I think. and one time a new volunteer was working and she was sitting next to some of the quilts that were hanging in the kitchen, I think. This woman who seemingly was part of the tour, she walks up in front of everyone and smiles, points at the quilts and goes, this one's mine. And then she fucking faded away in front of everybody. No!

On one tour, a guest said he actually used to be, like used to live in the house as a kid. So he kind of also did the memory lane thing I just did. Yeah. But he went on a tour of the house and said, by the way, I used to live here. That's pretty cool. When he lived there, the house was for rent,

$100 a month. Wow. Then he said, when he was a kid there, he was bouncing a ball in the house one time and his mom got annoyed and told him to put it away. So he goes up to his room, he opens the door. This woman, maybe Marina, is standing there, sticks her hand out and tells her to give him the ball,

or to give her the ball. He gives it to her and leaves and outside of his room through the door, he can now hear someone else bouncing the ball in his room. What the fuck? Do you think it's one of the kids? Like she gave it to her kids or like? Or maybe she like bounced it one time. She was like cool.

But anyway, so here are two shadow figures of Marina. Dude, to grow up and then to go back to that house and know that you saw the apparition of that woman in your own bedroom. I know. It must be like, anytime I turned a corner, I'd be like expecting to see her again if I came back. So these are two shadow figures of Marina

I just sent you. Did you send to the group? I will, I just sent them to you for now. Okay. Oh my God. So the first two pictures I just I sent you are shadow figures. Holy crap why she is a an ample blism I should say. That's the first thing I noticed. That's how she got two men I guess. But then these but then the next two pictures I sent you one is just a cleaver version.

But it's, and that's what they, that was the woman who pointed at the quilts and said, those are mine and then faded away. That is absolutely nutty. Yeah, that's like definitely a woman. That is, I mean, no doubt, like just standing full. But then the one where it's just a shadow figure of her in the kitchen, like it's the same kind of thing. Totally right. Walking around in that corner, probably like like I wonder what that doorway was a pantry. Maybe maybe yeah Wow, maybe that was the entrance to the original stairs. Oh could be maybe that's just where she would go and cry because she

It does look like she's just staring into a corner So it could very well just be her like breathe today Leon and I were playing and I got to a point where I was like, mommy needs to go to the room and count to 10 and breathe. And she is like, okay, bye. And I was like, what? So maybe that's what she was doing. Okay, so that's it for Marina.

For Frank, people have- Those are great pictures by the way. Right? If you go on, go to our Instagram because those are like pretty kick ass. Or are you too, I guess, I don't know. But wow. There's also, it's not as good, but there's a full bite operation picture.

There's two I think of Frank throughout the years. He was actually, the first picture of him as a full bite operation was during that first investigation that they ever did. Oh. And like the very first ghost stunt that they ever did. Oh. And like the very first ghost stunt that ever came through. He just showed up and he probably after that was like, I'm not making that mistake again. Yeah, I know.

Like started hiding. Well, so they saw him on the second floor balcony. People have since seen him on the second floor balcony. And now because of this, they think that because their daughter, Jessie Mae, when she died, they don't know how she died. They think maybe she like fell off the porch or something because that's that's where you always see him um but it's a total guess um dr stringer the one who had the clinic um he's not very active

but one time the employee bonnie she tried to vacuum the doctor's office and she heard him shout Bonnie, she tried to vacuum the doctor's office and she heard him shout, Hey, and then infernal contraption. Isn't that crazy? What the fuck is infernal contraption is such a good phrase for a vacuum cleaner. Like, that's what I call it, too. Which it makes sense because he wouldn't have known what it is. And he'd be like, what the hell is this?

And he's probably so sick of it because they probably have to vacuum like every day. Yeah. He's also seen on the stairs a lot in a black coat. Sometimes he looks shocked like he's seeing a patient in rough shape. So he's like hurrying to be a doctor. Sometimes people also see a ghost that's associated with him. Basically, we don't know if this was his patient or if this was a friend of his, but in 1866 someone was walking up to the building to see Dr. Stringer and he, I'm not kidding, this sounds like a Wiley Coyote situation, he was shot by a horse-drawn carriage drive-by. Come on. And now the ghost of that guy is often seen next to Dr.

Stringer on the porch. Yeah, because he's probably like, wait, what the hell just happened? I'm sure I mean, honestly, if I saw a horse drawn carriage drive-by, I'd go, did I just fucking see a horse drawn carriage drive-by? What the hell? No wonder your spirit sticks around like what did am I? Yeah. What just happened? So anyway, that guy gets seen quite a lot. I don't know what I would, it's like, oh, I just saw someone shoot you and now ride off on their horse at like 10 miles an hour.

Yeah, what? Clomping around, clomping along. Um, then, okay, I've got two more for you. I'm so sorry that it's so long. Please, no, I love it. There is a ghost named James. We like James a lot. He is a World War I soldier who was, I guess, a guest here at some point. And he is said to have died by suicide in the attic after he found out that the love of his life was married to someone else. And this story is kind of assumed by the staff. They found like a vague obituary about a guy named James that this happened to, and they are pretty sure it happened in this building.

They don't know but they do know that there was a regular spirit around here that kind of matched the description they picked up on. They just call him James and he seems to be fine with it. But their guess is that this is the James story. He apparently gravitates towards women. He's very kind to women. Apparently women when they feel weird in the building, they will ask James to protect them while they're there.

People have seen him standing at the foot of their bed. Yikes. That doesn't feel very safe to me. People have gotten an EVP of a man saying a woman's name, and they think that that's James saying the love of his life's name. While he, when they first discovered James, he was constantly throwing things off of the walls,

especially this Uncle Sam World War One poster. And that was interesting. It was always whenever Bonnie would come into the house, anytime she would like start her day. She's just trying to vacuum. She was just like, I'm just trying to open the fucking door to get in and all of a sudden, Uncle Sam. Damn building, Uncle Sam's on the floor again. And what's really creepy about that poster

is doesn't it say like, I want you? Like that famous Uncle Sam poster? I want you, yes. I'd be terrified if that's the only poster that's constantly flying off the wall when I walk in and it says, I want you. Yeah, I think it's I want you, right? It's I want you for the-

I want you, yeah, I want you for US Army, yeah. Yeah, no thank you. No thanks. So despite it saying I want you, the way that she pieces together was like, oh, maybe this ghost is attached to World War I. So for a while he was constantly throwing things and eventually he threw the poster so hard off the wall

that the glass shattered and then Bonnie yelled at him and threw enough spirit box sessions over the years they realized that James just wanted acknowledgement from her when she came into work every day. So now every time Bonnie comes in she says hi James and then she feels something pet her on the head like a hello. And then he's like hello friend. Yeah. I won't throw glass at you this time. And ever since then, he's stopped throwing things. They just say hi to each other every morning, and that's it.

That's actually kinda lovely. I'm totally down with a ghost where the worst he does is pet my head hello. And just say greetings, yeah. Yeah. Okay, the last ghost I have for you, his name is Gary. And he is also known as Mr. Nasty. What? No.

If this is another Winnie the Pooh, like, cinematic universe thing, I don't want to be part of it. I will say I watched one clip of something. I won't even say what it is. Um, but there was a woman who decided that she wanted to investigate here. She was giving female Zach Bagan's energy. Good. That must go well. First thing in her 45-minute movie a woman who decided that she wanted to investigate here. She was giving female Zach Bagans energy.

Good, that must go well. First thing in her 45 minute movie that I had to watch was she said, I wanna know how nasty Mr. Nasty gets. Ew, good for you, okay. I want you to know the immediate response from me. I just went, like. You're like, we're in for a long ride. I guess I'm about to know the immediate response from me. I just went, ah. Like. You're like, we're in for a long ride. I guess I'm about to lose the next 40 minutes of my life.

So, anyway, so the, he lives in the attic and he is known as Mr. Nasty by the way, because of his naughty language. She apparently says some, I think he, him and Tigger are friends. You know what I'm saying? Naughty language, yeah. So he lives in the attic. She apparently says some I think he he's him and Tigger are friends. You know what I'm saying naughty language. Yeah

So he lives in the attic we think the attic maybe was once like the Enslaved people's quarters. Yeah. Yeah Naturally sure but one can guess it's up on the fourth floor and it's the most active room in the house. It belongs Pretty much alone to Gary slash. Mr. Nasty. I don't know why we picked the name Gary. I don't know any information on that. But basically this entity showed up like 15 years ago when there was a donation to the building about this like old actor's vaudeville trunk from 1885.

And- I hate this. Immediately it was- I hate this. Like this villainy, this villainous, scary character, and now he also has, like, a costume and a cape or something? Actually, that's a good point, yeah. It, like, makes it so much more sinister,

like, clown-like almost, you know? Oh, yeah. Like, Vaudeville's supposed to be, like, showy, flashy, and now this fucking Mr. Creep, what's his name? Mr. Nasty. It's literally so much worse. Mr. Nasty is the worst word. Can I do a sidebar for you

and tell you something just equally horrifying? If you must. I have a friend who I will text you the name of that you know. And I was hanging out with her while I'm in town. And I was hanging out with her mom by myself for a little bit. I just grew up with everybody, so I also popped in to say hi to her mom. Her mom and I start talking about ghosts. The way that she was completely unfamiliar about our relationship with Zach

Bagans was very clear because all she told me for the next like 20 minutes was how in love she is with Zach Bagans and she was like she was giving Mr. Nasty vibes, if you know what I'm saying. She was like, the way I would let Zach Bagans, blah, blah, blah, and I was like, oh man. I don't know how to tell you how I feel. Wait, and now, so this is your friend's mom, right? Not your friend's.

Yes, no, it's my friend's. That feels like a friend's mom exactly type. It's a perfect demographic. That's who comments weird shit on his Instagram posts. Like remember when he would take pictures with like, what's her name from, from Bunnies, Holly Madison. And people would be like, get her out of here.

She doesn't love you like I would. And it's like, okay, you like you 50 year old ladies. If you scroll far enough, my friend's mom is certainly in the comments. It's like, okay, you, like, you 50-year-old ladies. If you scroll far enough, my friend's mom is certainly in the comments. But the way she was talking about it, I was like, you obviously have no awareness of my opinion of Zach Fakens. Yeah, awkward, it's fine. Anyway, I only remember that because I was just thinking,

when I saw that girl in that stupid show I watched last night, I go, I want to know how nasty he gets. I was like, okay, insert name. Yeah, we get it, we get it, insert name, yeah. So was like, OK, yeah, we get it. We get it. Insert name. Yeah. So anyway, sorry, that was a bit of a tangent. But I also I needed to tell you. OK, so Mr. Nasty, he yes, he has the actor's trunk from 1885.

That's when the energy kind of came in. But also kind of like James, it's said that he died by suicide after losing the love of his life, but that was more like a he found out his wife was cheating on him thing. Oh, and now he just hates women. Good, of course. So a lot of women who go into the attic are terrified of the attic. Sometimes they become immediately sick. They have gotten grabbed, pinched, scratched, smacked in the face. Oh my God. He just does not like women. And a lot of times people will just sense it

from outside the attic. They just go, I'm not fucking going in there. No, oh, I hate that. Even staff members will, they go in like together. No one wants to go up there. Do you wonder, do you think, cause my first thought is, do you think he wants you to go in there

so he can like pinch you or whatever? Or do you think he's like actively like trying to push you away if you're a woman? Or do you think he's actively trying to push you away if you're a woman? Or do you think women just are bad vibes and he's like, no, come on in? I don't know, that's a weird question, I guess. I would think he just desperately doesn't want them near him.

He just is trying to push you, get out. I would imagine if you're just gonna constantly hurt people, you can't expect them to wanna hang out with you in the stores, you know? Yeah, yeah. I just don't know if he loves hurting like if you want to see people. Yeah He's like come on in so I can slap you I would think maybe he just maybe he can't hide it But I would if I were him I would try to be like really charming and lure people in so I guess so yeah

That's true. The bad vibes are probably what he's intending to give off. Yeah, that's fair Well people in the attic have also felt the entire room shake by itself There's an obvious heavy dark energy there people early on saw black masks like swirling around the trunk You already got a doll black mask You don't get a trunk to come come on, share with your friends. When he does come downstairs, because he stays in the attic, but in moments where he has come downstairs, people notice because they feel like something in their face and something being really handsy and grabby at them.

Like go back to your room. Exactly, you have a whole floor to yourself. You literally took over half the building. Some staffs, they try to play it off like, oh, he's just moody and a prankster, but then others are like panic stricken at the thought of being near him. When people say like, oh, so-and-so is a prankster, I'm always like, red flag. Explain what that means because usually I don't want to be part of that. Yeah, like, pranks are like, how?

Like, how? Speak on that. Like, speak on that. Like, are we talking whoopee cushion max? That's a max level pranking? Or are we talking like...e cushion max? That's max level pranking or are we talking like? Is all my furniture upside down? I'm a sexual harasser, you know?

Which one is it? So this spirit has gotten a lot calmer than it used to be because I guess the staff have now started writing like positive messages in the trunk and are trying to like infuse it with good energy basically. Oh gosh, I'm sure he loves that. Yeah, but it also feels like one, you're giving it attention, two, you're giving him gifts,

so you're encouraging the behavior. That's what it feels to me, but I guess it's working, so whatever. I mean, maybe they're just appeasing him like, okay, now stay with your damn trunk. Yeah, well, Bonnie, the one who is like all about the ghosts here, she has even said that her and Mr. Nasty,

absolutely to this day, do not get along. She only goes up there once a month to clean, and she literally said that the and Mr. Nasty absolutely to this day do not get along. She only goes up there once a month to clean. And she literally said that the two of them have declared, have declared a truce with each other that they just don't go in each other's spaces. Wow. With that infernal machine. So they've also said that the trunk, when it went into the attic, that's when the attic started having a lot of problems,

but originally it was in different rooms and activity was heavier there. So they know that the trunk is what the attachment, is what the item is. Do you know that I literally last night almost bought a trunk from an estate sale and it was so beautiful. And then my gut just said, please don't, don't.

So instead I bought a bunch of old Victorian photographs. Good for you. Yeah. See, that was just kinda listen to your gut. Now I have a brief of old Victorian photographs. Good for you. Yeah. See, that was just kind of listening to your gut. Now I have a briefcase of Victorian pictures, so I think that's probably a better bet than a trunk. Beautiful. Less haunted, I'm sure.

Well, so the trunk, knowing that that's what the attachment is, people have even moved the trunk around to see if the spirit will follow it, and it does, which is super creepy. The meters will go off in different rooms. I do like that it's attached to it, so you can kind is super creepy, but like meters will go off from different ways. I do like that it's attached to this

so you can kind of like. Put it in the dumpster? Put it outside, yeah, put it in the trash. Put it in the swamp, I don't know. Some staff say that there's actually something even scarier up in the attic than Mr. Nasty, but they don't know what it is. That terrifies me.

Well, that's bad news. They said that like, oh yeah, well, you know, Mr. Nasty and I like, we have an understanding and we don't really like each other, but I'm not scared of him. And there's something else up there that I am actually truly scared of. That's really upsetting. Well, the final thing I have for you, which I know that you'll love is that there are, I looked everywhere because I saw in all these articles like, oh, it's been on an episode

of Ghost Hunters. It's been on an episode of a show called Haunted Tours. There were a few documentaries made about this house. Fucking none of them I can find online. Fucking none of them. What? Literally, Ghost Hunters, that's a pretty easy to find show. Couldn't find it. But only one show was I able to find.

And that is, I think, your favorite, Kindred Spirits,red Spirit starring Chip Coffee. I thought we were going ghost adventures and I prepared my face as such. So let me take a moment. Chip Coffee. Yes, I fucking love that show. And honestly, I drank out of my coffee mug the other day,

my Chip Coffee mug that a listener sent to me and it just got me all giddy again about how much I just love this this bescarfed fellow. You know, he bescarfed. Can you get, can you on your Etsy page make a scarf and it just says bescarfed all over it? Bescarfed or beshawed? I don't know. Can you do a picture within a picture within a picture of like a scarf with Chip Coffee on it,

wearing a scarf with Chip Coffee on it wearing a scarf with chip Coffee on it with a scarf with chip coffee done and done now that is something else. I'll tell you done and done Okay, so I looked everywhere for other episodes kindred spirits was the one that was most like heavily advertised I guess that means I've probably watched it because I have watched every episode of that show Oh, but it's but I've watched them all I used to watch them in a drunken wine haze. So I don't know that I recall the details, but... Well, for those who don't know, this was one of my first times watching Kindred Spirits,

but it starts like Amy and Adam, right? It's so good, yeah. And then every now and then, it seems like Chip Coffee comes in. He's not the main character. Yeah, he's like their on-call. Like, he's like their on-call where they're like, oh, we gotta bring it in extra

And she have coffee in his scarf. Yeah, it's so much better cuz he's just like I'm here and it's like Oh, I didn't know chip was coming today. You know, it's just so exciting. Well before the investigation Autumn is on the show the the employer. Mm-hmm. She's on the show. She's immediately like she's going through it She's something is freaking her out upstairs. We find out that it's the attic. Mr. Nasty guy. But she's like fully panicked. She doesn't even really want to be there. So they do an Estes method and they both are getting touched and pinched the entire time during the Estes method. But in the Estes method through the spirit box they get Adam telling them, hey, stop pinching Amy.

And they get, no, so bad, cut her. Oh God. Then they ask what the ghost's name is. The spirit box says leave. When they say no, the spirit box says, that's fucked up. Okay, bro. And then they say, people are really uncomfortable about you.

And then the spirit box says, fantastic, fuck you. And then both of them. Fantastic. Let them think what they want. And then both of them get touched and pinched again. So they bring in the big guns, chip coffee with his scarf. Yeah, here he comes. And I had never totally interacted with this man before.

I get it now. You get it now? He went into every room, and he was doing a like kind of like a drive by medium moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he he goes into a room he's like, there's something residual here. And then it goes into another room. He goes, this isn't really a very interactive spot. And then he goes into this room. He's like, Oh, yeah, there's something here. But you know, it's not really that big of a deal. And then he gets the attic and he turns to camera and he goes, hello. No, it's like, it's like so epic.

It's every time he's on, I'm like, you bring so much light into my life. I don't know how you do it, Chip, but man, it really does brighten my day. It was also just in the gayest way, like the gayest little voice of hello. Hello. And I think what I love about his role on that show specifically also is, cause he was in Psychic Kids too, but I think it's Amy and Adam are so down to earth

and very sincere and genuine and they're great, they're fun and bubbly, but they're very serious about ghost hunting. They're not there to punch the walls like some people. They're just like very, like they take it very seriously and like kind of scientifically approach and then when Chip Coffee like kind of comes in flamboyantly, it really just like changes the dynamic. I just man.

We need him, but the energy is definitely different. The formula. It's just impeccable. Hello. I found her. Mr. Nasty. Hello. Nice to, I found her. Mr. Nasty, hello.

Nice to meet you. Mr. Nasty. He would probably name him Mr. Nasty. That seems like something Chip Coffee would come up with. Well, so they go into the attic and he, this is a quote from him getting a read of the room. He says, whatever's in here is pacing or darting. It's getting irritable, definitely not residual.

It's saying, leave us the fuck alone and leave our secrets alone. Get the fuck out. You're getting its attention. He corrects and then he says, he actually corrects me his attention. Pronouns Chip. Thanks to Chip. Thank you for normalizing pronouns, Mr. Nasty. And so the they realize the trunk has an attachment to it, so they move it downstairs. The sensors start freaking out. The sensors turn off when intelligent, they turn off intelligently when you ask it to. And then they decide that they're going to do another Estes method where Amy says that she feels something menacing next to her like she wants to run.

And the Estes method, they ask, what do you want to say to us? And then the spirit box says, not telling. When Autumn says, why do you like to scare me? They hear the spirit box say, I'm sorry. And then they ask, why is Autumn the person that triggers you so much? The spirit box says, stop. And when they ask, why are you with this trunk? They hear, hit him.

What? And that's the kindred spirits episode. So I tried really hard to give you a short story. It's literally been an hour and a half. I'm so sorry. We knew this would happen. It's always when we it's always when we watch a show or a movie about something, because we just want to tell the other person the whole thing. It's like exciting and fun.

And you know, I love my kindred spirits. And also you know how paranoid I am when people are like, you know, making nasty comments about how I don't try hard enough. So anyway. Who's making these comments? Oh, I will say thank you to everybody who said such nice things to me.

I ended up getting a bit of a floodgates opening and my DMs of people saying nice things to counteract the nasty thing. So I read your messages. I really appreciate you guys saying such nice things to me. It was very kind. I was having a bit of a dark moment like a week ago whenever that episode came out where I said that I was getting some hateful stuff, which I was, but it has been counteracted. So thank you. Oh, good. Yeah, I don't ever... Open your DMs, I know. I don't, I don't.

I don't think I've seen anything nasty in there. I mean, I think if I saw something that looked nasty, I would open it and read it, but I feel like people have been genuinely pretty kind. I think, I don't, I luckily don't look at Reddit anymore. I thought I was safe, but I guess I'm nowhere is totally safe so anyway, it made me it made me very happy to see people say nice things, but

hopefully the people who Don't know if I do my research or not. There you go. There's a big ass story for you Maybe one day we'll have a maybe one day we'll have a snark page on reddit But I think we haven't made it quite to that echelon of fame yet. Maybe not. But maybe someday. Or maybe there is one. Do you need a potty break for anything?

Because I know that was long. Oh, I think I said something rude about Disney, sorry. I typed in snark and it said I was being snarky about Disney, I think, and I was like, yeah, I probably was. Oh, I literally just talked about Winnie the Pooharky about Disney, I think, and I was like, yeah, I probably was. I tried to see if there was a- I literally just thought that Winnie the Pooh being a murderer. And I said, I fucking hate that

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to jump right into it. Lee Harvey, he met Tracy Andrews when he was 23 years old and she was 25. The year was 1994. And he was working as a bus driver in Birmingham, which is a city over of over a million people in the West Midlands of England. Not to be confused with Birmingham, Alabama, where my aunt lives. Really? Birmingham.

Aunt Pam? No. Grandma Pam lives in Western New York. Uncle Wally and Tanta anduilla live in Birmingham, Alabama. Birmingham, Alabama. Gotcha. And I don't know who lives in Birmingham, but I'm sure someone's aunt lives there.

So with that context, Tracy worked as a bartender. Again, she's 25, she's working as a bartender. She has aspirations to become a model. She'd already done some local work modeling for hair salons in the city. I mean, very 80s, 90s, like bangs, poofy hair, red lipstick, just the whole nine yards. I'm so excited for her big hair to come back. I'm so excited. I am not, because I have just the flattest hair on the planet.

But you know, it's okay. I have the most Jewish voluminous Mufasa mane hair. I can't wait for that to just be normal again. Just bring it back, baby. Just a big poof. And make the change you wish to see in the world. Oh, my God. Step it up.

Okay, okay. So, Lee, meanwhile, he was described by friends as a family man, and he, as a bus driver, he liked working a local job that kept him close. He was really close with his parents, his older sister, as well as his sister's husband and child. In his free time, he was always going out with his friends.

They loved going out clubbing. Birmingham apparently has really good nightlife. And Lee's friends all described him as outgoing, tall, fit, gorgeous. He was like just a hunk of a dude. He often, I think he had one earring and in the 90s, that was all the rage for guys. He often stayed out late drinking and dancing

with his friends. And then everyone would go back to Lee's parents' house. Remember, he's 23. And then his mother, Maureen, would make snacks for everybody. And this is like three in the morning. Like they would come home in the middle of the night, she would wake up, make them all snacks,

and go back to bed. And he was... Sounds like a dream life. Seriously, what the hell? He was extremely close with Maureen, his mom. They talked about everything, including his sex life, which some people thought was a little strange, but Maureen was very happy that he felt comfortable

to confide in her, even though he had a very colorful dating experience. For example, she wrote- Mr. Nasty. No! Well, maybe, cause she wrote in her book that Lee was a good looking lad who'd bedded more women than he'd had hot dinners.

Holy shit. About her son. Go Lee, I guess. I don't know. All right, go Lee. When he was 20, Lee and his former girlfriend, Anita, were surprised by an unplanned pregnancy, but he was very excited to be a dad. So they ended the romantic relationship, but they remained friends and they co-parented. And their daughter Danielle, he loved her.

She would spend weekends at Lee's parents' home with him, and the family just loved being together. Maureen loved being a grandma to Danielle. He was never too busy for, like, tea parties. I don't know if he had to go to the other room to count to 10, like I do, but... Probably. Probably, but he played a lot of, like,

make-believe games and just played with her, you know, very like hands-on dad. And so when he met Tracy, she's 25, he's 23, she also had a young daughter close to Danielle's age. And so they kind of bonded over that when they met at a nightclub. And when they met, they were both excited to have like this something so in common.

Their daughters were like a year apart. They're both really young both excited to have like this, something so in common. Their daughters were like a year apart. They're both really young and loved to love nightlife, but they both have a kid. Like they just felt like it clicked right away. And the girls themselves became close friends. They had sleepover. I mean, that's dream life, right?

Like you meet a partner and their kid and your kid become best friends. And it's like, easy peasy, now you're sisters. Truly a dream. That kind of happened in my, well, it worked out very well. I already knew my stepsisters before they became my stepsisters. So it was like, oh, now we're just friends

who happen to have a new... That's interesting. I knew my Uncle Wally. In fact, I called him Uncle Wally before he was ever my Uncle Wally. And then one day he married my aunt. And I said, wait a minute, does that make him our actual uncle?

And everyone went, oh yeah. Like, that's weird. It's like we manifested it. That looks pretty good. Wait a minute. Does that make him our actual uncle? And everyone went, oh yeah. Like that's weird. It's like we manifested it. That looks pretty good. Yeah. So the girls were really close. They had sleepovers and they even took them

on trips together. Like I said, Lee and Tracy met in a club because they both were very like nightlife type people. Tracy herself was described as very glamorous. Remember she had aspirations. A big poofy hair. A big poofy hair, aspirations of becoming a model. She wore very elaborate outfits. She never went anywhere without a full face of makeup.

And basically people saw the two of them and said, they make a stunning couple. That was kind of the impression they made on people. Even Maureen, Lee's mom, was believed he was mistaking his attraction to Tracy and their attention for deeper feelings. She was like, this is a shallow relationship from the start. Let's just say Maureen wasn't so sure.

Apparently Maureen, knowing all of his colorful dating past, said in an interview that she didn't see what was so special about Tracy, which has really got to hurt. Shots fired. Yeah, but that Lee was an adult who could choose his own girlfriends and she was like, you know what?

I'll just accept that choice. And Lee insisted that he and Tracy were in love, so his mom said, all right, whatever you say. So it was only six months after they met that Lee proposed to Tracy and moved in with her in her home in Alva Church just outside of Birmingham. They were both excited to settle down, focus on each other, raising their two daughters

who had now bonded like sisters and it felt like a perfect family. But on December 1st, 1996, a man stepped outside a house on Cooper's Hill, which is a quiet tree lined road in Alva Church. It was roughly 11 p.m. and he had heard a woman screaming. He rushed to the sound and found Tracy in the street standing over Lee, who was lying on the pavement.

Both of them were covered in blood. But Lee was dead. Tracy was injured as well. She was in shock. The man brought her inside to wait for the police and paramedics. And when they arrived, Tracy was taken to the hospital by ambulance where she was treated for cuts on her face and two pretty prominent black eyes. It appeared as though she had been struck in the face multiple times by an attacker. Okay. So once she had been treated and had a chance to use the bathroom, gather her thoughts,

Tracy spoke to the police finally and gave them a rundown of what she remembered happening that night. She said she and Lee were headed home from a pub just after 10 p.m. The pub was only 10 minutes from their house along a very familiar path, and the drive should have been as eventful as always, but while Tracy apparently went into the glove compartment for a CD she wanted to play,

she started hearing Lee curse, like, under his breath. So she kind of sits up and looks, and she sees he's cussing into the rear view mirror because there's this car apparently, like, tailing them from the pup. And the driver flashed their lights repeatedly and began tailgating them. And when they didn't back off, Lee got pissed off

and he started, you know, brake checking the car by, you know, slamming on the brakes as it was really close to try and get them to rear end him. And the other car started swerving erratically, honking, trying to get around them, but Lee blocked the road and Tracy is like terrified. She's like, please just let them pass, calm down.

Don't get into like an altercation. She said, as they sped up a dark tree lined road in a spot called Cooper's Hill, the car overtook them, swerved in front and stopped in the middle of the road. Oh shit. Lee slammed on his brakes to avoid a collision. And as soon as he stopped, he was out in the road,

shouting at the other driver who also came out of his vehicle, which was a dark Ford Sierra. Shit. While the men argued, a third man climbed out of the Sierra's passenger seat and started punching Lee while the other driver just stood back and watched. So Tracy jumps out of the car to intervene and the passenger apparently shouted

at her calling her a slut, punched her in the face. Tracy fell and lost consciousness for a moment and watched in the daze as both men jumped in their truck and drove off. So she reached for Lee. She felt that he was all wet and she heard him making a sound that she later described as gurgling, and realized his throat had been slashed, and he was losing enormous amounts of blood very quickly. Oh, man. In other words, that passenger had not been punching Lee, but had been stabbing him.

Stabbing. Tracy later said she went into complete shock, but instinctively used what she had learned in a first aid course to try and stop the bleeding. But Lee had been stabbed 42 times in the head, neck, and back. His arteries were severed. He had already lost way too much blood to survive.

She sat just basically cradling him for a moment, trying to comfort him. And at some point she just started screaming. And by the time help arrived, of course the attackers were long gone and Lee had passed. So Tracy, yeah, so Tracy's telling police a story and she says the only passenger, that only the passenger was involved in the attack. And she described him as an older overweight man

with staring eyes. And like staring eyes was something that like wasn't made clear in any of the articles, but I watched a couple documentaries or like docu-series or you know, shorts on YouTube about this, about the story. And when you watch the actual interviews with her, she describes the staring eyes and it makes more sense. Like she basically says like he had these like big eyes that it makes more sense. Like, she basically says, like, he had these, like, big...

eyes that bore right into you. You know what I mean? Like, these, like, really intense gazing eyes. And so when she described staring eyes, that's kind of, she kind of, like, did this with her eyes, which is how I kind of gathered what she meant. Investigators thought it would be impossible for such a dramatic scene to have no witnesses, so they needed to find someone who could just

come forward with information. So they started publishing descriptions of the incident, the cars, the attacker, the staring eyes, the details of the route they took that night. And a media storm immediately erupted around the case. They called it the road rage killing, and it was shocking. Like, people were captivated because they had these photos of this beautiful young woman, she has black eyes, she's brutalized, she's traumatized and people were just totally taken

by the story and how horrific it was. Meanwhile, of course, Lee's family is grappling with the nightmare of losing him so tragically. He's 23 or 24. I mean, he's really young. Tracy stayed with her mom, Irene, who said Tracy didn't sleep for days following the attack. At a press conference shortly after Lee was killed, Tracy held Maureen's hand. So this was Lee's mother. So Tracy's now holding basically her mother-in-law's hand In front of cameras pleading for someone to come forward with information on the murderer she even personally addressed the driver from that night asking him to turn in the passenger who attacked them and

This struck people as kind of odd. She kept saying you are not to blame and I know that about the about the driver What does that mean? Like she kept saying you're not the one who hurt him, so you won't be in trouble. But the passenger will be. You weren't, I guess, physically involved. Right. But also, you were still the asshole driving like that. You were the one who swerved and just watched

as someone stabbed the guy. Was it just a really bad bout of road rage? Is that what happened? I mean, that's what people called it. They called it a road rage, the road rage killing, you know? It just doesn't make sense. I mean, maybe I've just never lived with road rage like that, at least. I feel like there had to be, were they drunk?

I don't know. It just feels like something else had to be going on on an empty road. Come on. Could be. Could be. She said, you are not to blame. And I know that. And people were like, that's odd.

So on December 4th, a detective went to Irene's home to speak with her daughter, Tracy. But Tracy apparently had finally fallen asleep that morning after days without sleep. So Irene said, come back another time, please. But while the detective spoke to Tracy's family, Irene actually found a note Tracy had written to her daughter apologizing for taking her own life. And said, she is going to be with Lee now. So literally as the detective is talking to Tracy's mom,

Tracy's mom finds a note somewhere in the house, in the kitchen, I don't know, that says, sorry for taking my own life. So the detective rushes up to Tracy's bedroom and she is unconscious. She has taken over 200 pills. Holy shit. I was really hoping that that was like a preemptive note she hadn't actually fulfilled yet. It was like moments earlier, I presume, or shortly before. She had taken 200 pills, approximately. And according to Irene, Tracy died more than once in the ambulance on the way to the hospital,

but thankfully was successfully revived and stabilized against the odds. So days later, investigators on the case shocked Tracy's family and the media when they got to the hospital where Tracy was recovering and arrested her. No. Yes. She paid for them to do it. They were forced to wait more than a week though, because Tracy was in an intensive

psychiatric care unit. And then once she had made it through that process, the police announced that Tracy was being charged with Lee's murder. So the announcement to everybody else seemed completely out of left field, but Tracy's story to the police had basically begun to unravel almost immediately after the murder. Like you said, something sounds fishy, something sounds off. to the police had basically begun to unravel almost immediately after the murder.

Like you said, something sounds fishy, something sounds off. Basically at the first press conference when she pleaded to the media for witnesses and started saying things like, we know you're not in trouble, just come forward. And they were like, well, that's strange. Doesn't she want the guy who killed her, whatever.

So people were like, that's odd, but who knows? You know, she's in shock, she's been traumatized. But then during that same press conference, a member of the press asked Tracy questions about the timeline of that night and mentioned Tracy and Lee leaving the pub at 10, 10 PM. But Tracy corrected him and said, no, no, no, it was 10 till 10, so it was 9.50.

And the reporter was confused because police had told the press that Lee and Tracy left for home at 10, 10 PM based on Tracy's recollection. Okay. So, you know, it wasn't unusual for the victim of an attack especially like someone who had suffered head trauma to like mix up a timeline. But again, the pub was only 10 minutes from their home

and the emergency phone call hadn't come until 11pm. So they were like, well, now you're adding 20 more minutes onto this timeline. Basically, instead of from 10, 10 to 11, that this event would have all conspired. Now she's saying it was 9.50. Yeah, 20 more minutes. And so that was like a dramatic shift because it created a huge gap that like they couldn't account for. Like if Tracy and Lee left the bar, sped down the road, stopped and were attacked in that 10 minute drive, then what's happening in that hour that's left, you know, between screaming and calling for help. So there was already a significant chunk of unaccounted for time in the original story,

but now these extra 20 minutes are starting to raise eyebrows and people are like, well, that's just strange. So as the journalist is asking questions, trying to make sense of this, Tracy starts getting worked up and the detective just ends the questioning. But that moment when they watched it, Lee's family, they knew, they knew. They were certain suddenly that Tracy had killed Lee.

They had suspected it from the beginning. Well, also they kind of suspected bad energy from the beginning of the relationship. Even the mom was like, I don't know, Lee, this doesn't make sense. Yes, exactly. So Maureen, the mom, she, I mean, I understand why. She really wanted to believe Tracy,

because like, how horrible would it be to believe the real story? She really wanted to, and like I said, they were holding hands during the press conference. Like, she really wanted to believe her daughter-in-law, but Lee's father and sister immediately suspected Tracy as soon as they found out that he had been murdered. Because for two years, they had witnessed Tracy's

and Lee's tumultuous relationship. Lee and Tracy would fight so often and yell so loudly that neighbors basically said they might as well have been out in the yard screaming. They could understand and hear everything they were saying. Maureen insisted that Lee had never hit Tracy, but he did shout at her and throw things around the apartment while they fought.

So, Artie Bad, red flag. Tracy, however, was very often known to become physical. She had often scratched Lee in the face. She had punched him numerous times. Police intervened in their fights more than once, even removed Lee from the home at one point. And he would usually go to stay with his parents until Tracy called him to sort things out. and then he would move back in with her. So it was like a very toxic

abuse cycle of just like this toxic couple that are both abusive toward one another and then just keep getting back together. And his family, they're like out of, they have no control. They just have to let him do what he wants to do. Tracy apparently reportedly once hit Lee with a bottle in the middle of a nightclub. A glass bottle. And security had to intervene, of course. And then another time security intervened when she basically launched herself at him

for talking to a woman who was working behind the bar. And during that altercation, she bit him in the neck so hard that he started bleeding. Oh my God. And Lee's parents just felt helpless. Like they wanted to protect him from this relationship, but like he's an adult and he keeps going back to it. And it's like, you can't force somebody

out of a relationship. Yeah. So the family often argued about Lee's relationship while he just continuously assured them things would get better, they'd make it work, they'd work it out, they'd do counseling, what have you. The last time Maureen saw Lee, he had come over to get some clothes he left behind

from the last time he had moved out after an argument with Tracy. So he told Maureen, don't worry, I'm just back to get my stuff and this time it's gonna be good. I'll drop it off next week when I'm back here again. Yeah, exactly, see you in a few days, I know. It's like one of those cycles that you just hate to witness.

He told Maureen he loved Tracy, things would be okay. And despite everything she knew about Tracy and the way she treated Lee, Maureen said in an interview that she wanted to believe Tracy's story. She wanted Lee to have died in the arms of his comforter, not his killer. She didn't want She wanted Lee to have died in the arms of his comforter, not his killer. Like she didn't want his last moments to have been at the hands of his love, you know? I mean, that's just terrible. But the evidence just did not line up because a few things. There was a

clump of hair in Lee's hand as if he'd ripped it out of her scalp in a fight. Oh my god. That's really fucking aggressive. Really brutal. There was another clump of hair stuck to her own jacket in Lee's blood. Oh. Like plastered on with his blood. Tracy said her clothes had become saturated

with Lee's blood while she held him, but a lot of the blood on her clothes had been spattered or splashed as if she was in close range to blood spray as it came off of Lee to wear her. Oh, shit. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. There was a winter hat kind of away, like 20 feet from the car on the side of the road. It was just like kind of discarded there.

Um, but when detectives looked at it, they noticed black and white cat hair inside the hat that matched a sample collected from Tracy's own cat. And at first she was saying, that's not my hat. But when they found the cat hair, she said, oh yeah, that is my hat. And they believed she had tossed it, you know, 20 feet away to make it look as though there was another party at the scene who had dropped their hat. But then they found her own cat's hair on the hat. And she was like, oh yeah, that is mine.

I don't know how it got over there. Okay, yeah, not even good. Like if you're going to pull something like this off, you have to have, you have to know your own alibi. Like you have to. Well, but think about it, it's a moment of passion, right? Like she just was like probably in a panic. Like she, I don't think this was premeditated

as much as they fought all the time. It sounds like it just went too far. So finally, after searching for these witnesses, witnesses did come forward to describe what they had seen that night. And it was not what, you know, Tracy had described. Essentially people in the area described having seen only one vehicle and it happened to be Tracy's and Lee's

driving down the road. In fact, another driver actually watched as Lee sped by a fork in the road and then slammed on the brakes, apparently having taken the wrong fork in the road, sped backwards, slammed the brakes a second time, then sped forward again down the other road. And there was no second car, but he was driving erratically and angrily,

you know, whether or not this is what this other driver witnessed. There was no second car, but he was driving erratically and angrily. I see. You know, whether or not this is what this other driver witnessed. And they said, yes, he was slamming on the brakes and driving erratically, but there was not another car involved. This was just the one. Interesting. So the two men in the car totally made up. Yeah.

Okay. Yep. Yep. So when the police responded to the scene, Lee's car was parked neatly on the side of the road as if he had parked there deliberately, not as if he'd been like stopped on the side of the road, as if he had parked there deliberately, not as if he'd been, like, stopped in the middle of the road and had to slaps, you know, slam, skid marks, yeah, none of that.

So the missing piece of evidence that challenged the prosecution, of course, was the murder weapon, because that could not be found. Now, detectives suspected a small pocket blade or even a pair of scissors on a Swiss army knife. Yeah, as being what had killed him. But they couldn't find a weapon even after extensive searches by teams, like, on their hands and knees,

digging through dirt and leaves trying to find it. Wow. So what they concluded, now here's the thing. What? During her hospital stay, she went to use the bathroom multiple times and they weren't sure why. And they believe that during one of those times she had found a way to dispose of the

knife, the murder weapon in the bathroom. I mean, I don't know about the nineties, but now there's a sharps containers. You could probably just, you know, no one will know, biohazard. So in July, 1997, the case went to trial. And despite the lack of a murder weapon, Tracy was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison with a possibility for parole. In 1999, she wrote a letter to her lawyer,

confessing to killing Lee. Oh shit, okay, well, that ding, ding, ding. There you have it. She did claim, however, that it was an act of self-defense. Hmm, well, maybe, okay. Maybe, we'll see. According to her new story,

Lee parked the car, both of them got out, started shouting at each other. She said Lee pushed her down onto the pavement and pulled out a pocket knife. She said she kneed him, took the knife, and turned it on Lee to save her own life. And she also admitted to disposing of the knife in the hospital. Oh, okay.

So investigators took one look at this and said, no, because Lee was stabbed in the back repeatedly, as if he had been caught completely off guard by the attack. And she had come up behind him with her own weapon and had attacked him. But also, why is she admitting this at all? Like, I feel like this is to cover...

Because now she's trying to say, oh, well, I did do it, but like, because it was self-defense, you know? It's not the same. Because she was found guilty of murder. So she's like, yeah, okay, fine, but like, it wasn't cold-blooded murder, it was in self-defense.

Get me out of here. And they were like, no, you stabbed him in the back, but thanks for admitting you did it. You know, that's helpful. All right. In the years following Tracy's sentencing, Lee's family fought to make sure she couldn't live near them if she were ever released. They just couldn't stand the thought of her being like around in town in the same places that they were. They wanted a 50 mile buffer, but the court only granted them a 25 mile buffer. The court also said that Tracy might be allowed

to visit her daughter Carla, who lived only a few miles from Lee's family, but this devastated Maureen because she was just so terrified that she would just go out for a walk and see Tracy in the neighborhood. Like the woman who killed her son, stabbed her son, and then held her hand at a press conference and lied about it.

I mean, it's gotta be such a mindfuck. In 2010, Lee's daughter Danielle said in an interview that she had actually found Tracy's daughter Carla on Facebook. So the two sisters who had like bonded as kids and then got like split when their father was killed and their mother went to prison, now they had reconnected in 2010.

And so Danielle reached out and they spoke about their parents and what had happened. And then they decided to focus on happier topics. Interestingly, both women were pregnant and were due within just weeks of each other at the time that they reconnected. And Danielle said she hoped their futures would be happier than their pasts. But she also said there's just this like nagging, like she just wants to know why Tracy killed her father. Like she she just is like, I wish

I had some sort of answer or closure. But it's unclear if that'll ever happen or if they can ever make sense of the attack. Tracy ended up being released from prison after serving 14 years of her life sentence. She has since changed her name multiple times and gotten married. Upon Tracy's release, Maureen struggled when she saw photos of Tracy in the news and heard that she was spending time with her daughter and her grandkid and Maureen said it was just so unfair that she can only visit her own son in a cemetery and will never meet his grandchildren. She said, I could lie to you and say I don't hate her, but I can't lie to myself and God about what's in my heart. I can never forgive her says Maureen. You think the tears will stop with time, but they don't. Yeah, no one judges you for hating her.

No. No. If you're going to hate anyone, it might as well be your son's murderer, right? You got a good reason to hate someone, yeah. But I want to send, that was the end of the story, but I want to send you a picture because this is kind of what people have started, the picture people started using of her because you remember how she said the eyes, you know, like the staring eyes or the whatever eyes. So this is the picture that went like viral at the time. Well, it's an, you know, she's probably gotten that comment from people before for her to also, oh my fucking god.

Crazy eyes. Wow. You know. That's, you can't hide from that. You can't hide from those eyes. That's a... Was she like on drugs or like is something going on there or that's just what she looks like? She was just screaming at the press. It was during the press conference.

I think she was, that was during a press conference I believe she was explaining the crime and saying we better find out who did this to my husband or my... Yeah. That's a frightening girl. And here's the two of them together. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, less terrifying. Yeah, she looks less like totally... Yeah.

But still, that's... Wow. It's a pretty dark tale. An image I can't run from. Yeah. Yeah. So that's his story, wow. It's a pretty dark tale. An image I can't run from. Yeah, yeah. So that's the story, folks. Thanks for listening to another day of darkness. We deeply appreciate you and you know, it's a new year.

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and that's where you drink.com. And our most important thing to say today, which we forgot at the top of the episode. I knew it, I forgot, I totally forgot. Happy concepisode. I totally forgot. Happy Concep-isode. Concep-isode. Hello, it's our Concep-isode. Our Conception episode when we decided that we were...

The idea struck today eight years ago that we would start a podcast together? Eight years ago. I can't wait for our decade. We're gonna have a party. We should have a party. We should talk to Maggie about doing something for our tenure. We should have a gala. Now that. A gala? A gala.

A gala! Hold on. Everybody hold on. Write that down. We should hire like... Eva? Write that down. Those cryptid drag queens. All that. We should really throw a big bash for our tenure. That'd be so fun. I'm on it. I mean I'm not on it, but I'm on it. Like I'm on it with you. I'm on board with you

Well happy concept episode eight years of happiness with you Christine and Officially eight years of happiness in February. I can't believe it. We're getting there. We're getting so close folks. And thank you We have a third grader now. We have a third grader and guess what? You guys made this all possible cause you're the godparents, you know? Of Kremit, our beautiful podcast. Our little baby Kremit podcast. Thank you everybody and thank you for eight years

and we'll see it, we'll say it again in February. Yeah, we'll say it again many times. That's why we drink.