And That's Why We Drink - E416 Em’s Reoccurring Bit and A Gossipy Tale

Episode Date: January 26, 2025

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We're just different types. We're just different types. We're two paths that diverged in a wood. Oh, neurodiverged. Neurotically. Neurodiverged in a wood. They were neurodiverged. Neurotically. Neurodiverged in a wood. Today is going to be a chaotic episode, if you can't tell.

The energy is really all over the place. I had to apologize to you before. We both apologized to each other before the recording even began. And we both went, oh boy. Just things are weird today. We're already 20 minutes behind because of my doing. And then Christine, yeah, apologized before I even got on saying,

I'm so sorry, just because of the energy. My hair should indicate that it's gonna be a wild ride today. You look like a Whoville. Because I just seem to be. Fuzzle, fuzzle. I don't know. I do know the words, but I did look them up on azlyrics.com, so that was cheating. Yeah, no, I don't know what's going on.

The energy is crazy. I'm finally back in Los Angeles. The fires are currently not near me, so all the more reason to record right now. Did you do an intro for the last one about it? I didn't hear it, so I wasn't sure. And so everybody texted on our team being like, oh, maybe Emma Christine could do an intro about the fires because we recorded that episode before the fires had started.

And I was like, well, I'm certainly not in a position to be making big statements about the fire I'm the only one who's not on the West Coast. So I just like ignored the message and I was like I hope someone did it I don't know No, I did it. I mean, yeah, no, it's uh, we're I'm very lucky. Obviously I came back. So our house is pretty safe knock on wood, but um, yeah, we've had some people actually, I already told you it was Kirk who made our logo, him and his wife lost their home. I saw a picture of it, it's, I mean, it's gone. It's like really wonderful. He does all our tour, he started like our tour logo too, that main tour logo.

We're here for the booze, all of the tour stuff. Yeah, so it's... He's such a good guy. That is just- He has a GoFundMe. Maybe we'll post the GoFundMe. Yeah, yeah, and I actually have, I know we've already posted some resources, but I found a couple good ones today

that I was looking through that were kind of like underrepresented ones too that I can also add after that. But yeah, that would be great. And if you send that to me too, that would be awesome. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, so a lot that would be great. And if you send that to me, too, that would be awesome. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So a lot of people are going through it and I am very lucky to not be there currently.

We are supposed to have more winds today, which who knows what that means, but currently we're OK. Are you still snowed in at your place? It's just I was snowed in Virginia. place? I was snowed in Virginia. Yeah, it was three degrees this morning. Yeah, this is why I'm in bed. Well, that's one of the reasons, but yeah.

So now, you know, if anyone needed more reasons for me to be horizontal in my flannel sheets today, it's because in my flannel sheets, that sounds like a lumberjack, like erotica. Join me on my tummy in my flannel sheets. We'll wobble up and down as I laugh at M's jokes. Hey girl, wobbling up and down sounds like part of the fanfic for sure.

That's what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying. Okay, anyway, yeah, things are, we had these snow storms, but you know, the fires obviously are like devastating and it's really freaky to just, I like put, the fires obviously are like, devastating. And it's really freaky to just I like put on the news alerts, like as if I were a local basically. And I was like, I need to turn these off because I'm not even there. But I'm like getting, you know, hyper fixated. And it's just like, at a certain point, you have to step back. But

yikes. So many of my friends in Richmond, they like lost water for several days. So it's like, oh, in the snow storms. Yeah. And so they were just like, I'm not being able to flush their toilets or shower. Or like, yeah. Anyway, it was. Sounded to me about the Octavia Butler. So Octavia Butler is a so I mean, I had a call with our manager, Maggie, this morning, she mentioned this on the call and I got into a deep dive on it between that call and this recording.

Octavia Butler is like, well, widely known as, like the first major, I guess the right word is major, black female science fiction writer. And in the 90s, she wrote these, they were called like the parables series, and she wrote the sewers parable. And it was about the year, there's literally a diary entry in it,

February 1st, 2025. And it says, there was a fire in Los Angeles today. And it's like, basically what happens is the city of Los Angeles like burns. And then a despot takes control of the country as president and he wants to make America great again. And like granted, so she died before he ever took office. Obviously, I mean, I did not obviously.

Well, she already knows how it goes. She didn't have to be here. Yeah, no, literally. And apparently Ronald Reagan said that originally. So that's where she had gotten it. But it's just really unsettling because you're reading like, oh, Los Angeles is burning to the ground

and she lived in like next to Altadena and like Pasadena area, but spent a lot of time there. So it's like, it's, so there's actually a bookstore there called Octavia's Bookshelf, I think. Yes. Yeah, that one, that's, that's named after her. Oh, okay. And so I guess right now they're doing actually, you know

What's funny is we've? Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you No, there's a lag. I'm sorry. I think I was just I think I was just behind the lag. I'm sorry Shit there's a lag Well, why do you drink this week besides AT&T or whatever, Verizon or whatever the fuck you have? I don't know how much of that got in, but yeah, we're having some internet issues so you know, prepare.

Oh my god, this is already just insane. Em like fired our editor because we imagined a whole scenario in our heads where he blamed us for the tech problems and then I got defensive and then Em fired him and then we said, just kidding. And now we're like, anyway, Jack, figure out what goes in and what doesn't. So we really give him all the power. Anyway, go ahead, Em, I'm sorry. Okay, I have a chaotic thing.

I don't know how you react, but stick with me until the very end before you have a reaction. Oh, is this your story already? No. Oh, okay. I thought you were already starting your bit and I was like, wait, wait, wait. No, I like that it's a bit, thank you. No, not my fucking job.

It's this recurring bit that you won't stop. It's like you insist on doing the same bit every week and it's getting old. Yeah, I know. Okay, so hang on. Hang on. I knew I went to bed for a reason. Okay, go ahead.

Oh! Wait, is that real? No. Yes. That's a real tattoo? Yes, so before you- Shut the fuck up. It was an impulsive decision.

I'm so happy. Oh, okay, I thought we were gonna get defensive quicklyulsive decision. I'm so happy. Oh, OK, I thought we were going to get defensive quickly. No, I'm so happy. I've always wanted you to get a tattoo. So it has given me opinions on a tattoo with you. I do still, I do want one with you about the. Tell us now what's happening.

Tell me. Or I guess, I guess tell the story however you want. But I can't see. What tell me or I guess I guess tell the story however you want, but You just finished the bit so we can move on no, so I can't okay it's a card cuz it's cropped So I can't even write right right right. No, I'm just touching it. No, but it's so it's a piece of lettuce What does it mean it's beautiful it's like bright green Yeah, I really I told them I was like I'm gonna do this, it has to be vibrant. So I give a shit about it. Did you know Blaze has a,

his first tattoo was a bright green tattoo on his bicep also? That's lovely. Oh my God, did he get a piece of lettuce? We got a chupacabra, which honestly, if I had to guess who would guess what, it would be switched, right? Isn't that weird?

Oh, trust me. When I told my mom, she was like, of all the things you got a piece of fucking lettuce. A vegetable, Em? Yeah, so it's When I told my mom, she was like, of all the things you got, a piece of fucking lettuce. A vegetable, Em? Yeah. So it's a matching tattoo with Tanner with my cousin. Oh, that's cute. It's like an inside joke with us.

I don't want to bore everybody, but one with, how do I say it? The succinct version is that when he and I were a lot younger, I went with him to his spring break. And at his spring break, he got very drunk. We had a conversation about lettuce. It just became a thing. That's so cute. Okay. And so he and I were recently hanging out and he said something like,

oh yeah, that weekend was the first time I realized I didn't just want to be your cousin, I wanted to be your friend. Stop! Get out of here. So that was a, and he caught me in an impulsive moment. I was like, we've got a 30 minute window to do this. That's dangerous.

He knew it too. He saw it in your eyes. He had to have. Yeah. But so now we both have the, I gave him 10 options for lettuce and he picked this one. That's a good one. I love that. You gave him 10 options.

Wow, Em, I'm so proud of you. You know, it's crazy. There's someone else in my life. I don't want to like call them out. They literally texted me yesterday and said, like don't freak out, but I think I'm going to get a tattoo. And I was like, what? I mean, I'm talking like totally surprised me.

So this is like two people in a row. I don't know. I told you the energy's weird this week. Something's off. Mercury is, I don't know, getting a tattoo and so am I. Mercury's having an impulsive moment and she needs to like reign it in. But it was, no, it was a very sweet moment.

That's beautiful. Did that hurt? That looks like it hurt with the color. Like a bitch. Well, I don't know like comparatively to something else. I just know that as, everyone always told me, oh, it's just gonna feel annoying. It felt like, I never felt like the bah, bah, bah, bah,

bah of the tattoo needle. I just felt like someone was taking an exacto knife and carving into me. That's what it fucking felt like. And I was- I mean, it is really high up on your bicep, I feel like. I feel like that's a very sensitive spot. It was-

I got my moth there and like, when she got to the upper part, I was like, this is very uncomfy. Yeah, while I, there were some moments where I was like, OK, this is fine. And then there were other parts where I was like, I'm not doing this anymore. Like I've my first and last. Yeah. Blaze is really hurt, too. And he got like a green one on his biceps.

So I wonder if that's part of it. And there's one that's like, I don't know, maybe there are parts that he like really, really colored into and so like a weird scab on them, which I don't like. Yeah, the scabbing is freaky cause that happened to me for the first time with mine, the big one I have because it's like so shaded and I think my other ones have all been just lines and blazes was also the colored

and he's like, they just went over it and over it and over it and it like scabbed. Yeah, I think his really hurt too. Anyway, there were moments where I was like, I couldn't say I've done it and I'm scat yeah I think his really hurt too. Um anyway I there were moments where I was like I couldn't say I've done it and I'm never doing it again but I I can do it one more time eventually with you friend and that's why we drink themed one but I don't know if any more will be before or after that I think I think I've got two in me and that's it.

I'm so proud of you and not in like a condescending way I just mean like no I don't mean it in cons anyway it. I am so proud of you and not in like a condescending way. I just mean like, no, I don't mean it in condescending way. Like, oh, I'm so proud of you and all your like blah, blah, blah. I just mean like, this is so exciting. Thank you. Well, I was worried you were going to. No. I don't know.

I don't know what I was thinking. No. Anyway, that's why I drank because I got a tattoo. I just honestly never believed you would. Like, genuinely. Me either. That's why. I literally I got a tattoo. I just honestly never believed you would. Like, sincerely. Me either, but that's why. I literally, my next therapy session afterwards was like, I did something out of character.

And so. Honestly, that's exciting. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about it now, but it's, I mean, it's stuck on me now. So nothing I can do about it now, but. I love it. It's like cute and like vague enough and like fun. I don't know.

The meaning's at least nice. And also if I don't like it, my t-shirt covers it up pretty perfectly. Oh see, yeah, perfect. But also it makes more sense on Tanner because he's a private chef. So like lettuce makes fucking sense on him. Oh, so people aren't even gonna ask.

They're gonna be like, that's your crudite, got it. Yeah, exactly. Oh my God. You know what I thought it was? I literally thought it was a celery vase at first. Oh, that'd be lovely. My mom thinks it's a feather. She keeps calling it her feather.

And I'm like, ooh. Her feather? That sounds like her flower. Her tail feather. Ew, and that's so much worse. It's disgusting. Her feather, oh no. Oh no.

This is like the time Eva got a tattoo and then you kept saying like, you kept calling it dirty. And then we just couldn't stop thinking about it as being dirty. And Eva had had it for an hour and we were all just like, hey, your tattoo.

And making inside jokes about her tattoo, which is like so beautiful and poignant, but like also just sounds so dirty when you can't stop thinking about it. I feel like, okay, I'm not the only one who could have possibly thought it sounds dirty. No, and that's why it really caught on. But Eva certainly has earned the right to say whatever she wants

about my stupid lettuce feather arm for the rest of time. Oh, my gosh, she's gonna be thrilled. Have you told her yet or no? No. I also worry the two of you are gonna start trying to get me into tattoo parlors while we're on the road again. So I'm telling you now as a blanket statement, I really- You know I play the long game, right? Like this was a step in my plan all along. Yeah, I guess so.

You were like- I'm pulling the strings. You did the thing that like, oh, if I ignore it, then it'll happen. That's exactly it. Because that's how it works with my toddler. So I figured it works with you too. There you go. Well, it worked. Well done. Fantastic. I'm so excited about this new development. It's like a new you. I eventually do want to get the boo buddies, the ghosty guys, with you.

Our ghosty guys. Yeah, that's from the logo that Kirk made. Aww. What if we get... Okay. Okay, I'm going off the rails. Here we go. Never mind. Relax, everybody.

Take a deep breath. I'm talking to myself. All your personalities. Talking to all of you in there. Are you talking to yourself? All your personalities. Talking to all of you in there. That's just to me. Anyway, so that's why I drink. And why do you drink? Wow, okay, well, you know,

who knew I'd have so many reasons? I drink because it's three degrees out. My whole body honestly hurts because of the weather, I think, because I'm old. Like I don't know. Because it's like I was walking up the stairs and I was like why do my knees ache? And then I was like oh no this used to happen to my mom. Like when it was really cold like her joints would hurt. I was like oh fuck my life. So everything kind of hurts today and it's three degrees out and I have my,

I literally got my pregnancy pillow out so I could like lay in a certain way. Um, and so I'm just kind of like in pain and I was like, there's something happening to my head. Anyway, turns out it's a headache. I never get, I never get, I never get headaches unless it's raining. I never get headaches unless it's raining. And then my stomach ached. Now hold on, it was a stomach ache. You'll never guess. I seriously, I was like, there's something wrong with me. And Blaise is like, it's a headache.

And I was like, I don't like it. It's not fun. I am such a baby when it comes to my head. Oh gosh, I just can't focus. I'm like this, and I feel so terrible because then I'm like, people with migraines, man, you people are, I don't know how you do it. It's like how you say like,

oh, when you get a stomach ache, it's like ah, and I'm the same way about stomach aches because I never get stomach aches unless I'm like in an active flare up. So if I get a stomach ache, I'm like, I'm dying. And it's just so, so annoying. No, if it's a head or it's a stomach ache, I'm like, I'm dying. And it's just so, so annoying. No, if it's a head or it's a stomach thing, because when I get sick, my throat is like,

like patient zero. Like I just, I feel like I am so used to my throat hurting. And I, at this point I can rock a sore throat all the time. Really? I can't stand it. It's like my worst thing there. But that's not like you can handle a stomach thing and I couldn't possibly do it. Oh, I guess that's a fair point, yeah. But yeah, that and head stuff,

there's just no getting around it. I'm a miserable person to be around if you leave this hurt. Yeah, so I'm just being a baby today and then Blaze was like, I'm gonna take a nap and I was like, oh, okay. And so now he's sleeping in his office. Poor guy. He's like, anything to shut out reality.

There's a futon in there. Oh, and then what happened was I took the, this all seemed like a good idea until it was such a bad idea that I had already committed to it and it would be worse if I got up and tried to reverse it, you know? I was like, I went past the point of no return.

And so then I was like holding the like metal stand of the microphone, like in my lap while laying down. And it just wasn't working. Yeah, right? Like that balancing act, and then it kept clanging. So then I was like, oh, I'll just hold the microphone. But then I took all the screws out, and they all just scattered to the wind in my bed,

and I was trying to find little washers that just are now loose. And so they're just around. That's great. That sounds exactly like what I know you to do. It feels like we're back at, talk about patient zero, it feels like we're back at episode one of And That's What We Drink, but like just the same old bullshit, you know? You know what's pretty actually disgusting about you is the fact that you can lie there

in bed at this angle and not have a double chin. No, I'm so insecure. It's sickening. I've been staring at myself because you can see all my neck wrinkles. I'm sitting upright and I have a double chin and you're lying there. Look at my neck wrinkles. This is how I would look.

And you look like that. Are you fucking kidding me? Okay, but there's gonna be. So mean. Because now someone's gonna screenshot like the worst moment of this episode. Yeah, it'll be this. 16, it'll be this.

16, it'll be you. Look how bad Christine looks on her, oh, we know that's him, no. Yeah, I know. It's really mean that you can just do that. You're so silly. I put on makeup because I knew I would be horizontal and I was like, it's not really a flattering situation.

Did you contour your neck for this episode? I did contour my jaw and also I have Dolph here. This is Moonshine's mommy. He thinks it's his mommy, but it is always like the perfect neck pillow. You know when you need just like the perfect thing behind your head? And so it's really unfortunate

because then he stands up here and he just starts like suckling on Dolph who's then behind my head. It looks like he's just sucking on your hair. Yeah, it's really, well he does because then it gets in the way. So then I have to like throw Dolph across the room. And anyway, so if Moonshine appears,

I will have to get rid of Dolph and then my neck will really be telling a story. So don't worry about it. I won't be looking great in a few moments. I should also mention if you hear barking where a dog's sitting and- Oh my gosh, yes. Or it's Gio. Or it's Gio, yeah. This time you'll never know, I guess.

We'll never know. But this dog, her favorite thing to do in the world is to just look me dead in the eyes and go, whoo, and all that like hot fishy breath just hits me in the face. Ew! And by the way, she's a great Dane, and she's beautiful, everybody. She's a big girl. I just, she's just like theane and she's beautiful everybody. She's a big girl

I just she's just like the most precious little thing I mean giant her eyes are her eyes are rolled in the back of her head right now So I think I think we're safe from barking currently That's what she's gonna look like when you tell a joke I thought that's what you were saying and then I realized you were saying she's asleep, but I was like, okay Jesus Sorry dog. I wasn't like I'm sorry that M is like judging your humor your humor level. Well just in case in case you make a joke I'm gonna refer to this dog instead so I get away with it. Okay um what are you drinking? Um well I fear

to drink anything at this position because I do have a lot of it Not even spit really just a lot of electronics in my lap and I'm not Vertical so it's like hmm, but I just have my water here. Yeah. What are you holding next to you? Oh My god, and there's my bigfoot sticker from Lisa. So it's just an old-ass Stanley Cup. I It's currently in the wash. I planned on drinking it, drinking out of it, and it had to get washed first. But I got a surprise in the mail today. Yeah, you know about this. That's my idea. Of course, it was.

Well, Eva, like did all the hard work parts of it and was also creative team director and said that's a good idea. So she gets a lot of the most, 99% of the credit. But yes, I did say Stanley. Well, post a picture somewhere, and maybe just in the corner of the screen or something too. But yeah, I came home from Virginia to a Stanley. I've never had a Stanley before.

And- You're one of those girls now. I am one- Eva had never had one either. So Eva was like, can, I've never had a Stanley before. And- You're one of those girls now. Eva had never had one either. So Eva was like, can we send them to ourselves? And I was like, yeah. So we all had them sent to ourselves. It's a black Stanley and it has like the iridescent oil spill kind of color.

It's called Chroma. Of course. And a little birdie named Christine had it engraved in chroma to say, drink up M with the image of a rat. And by the way, I submitted this SVG file of this rat, like a stock free whatever photo, copyright free photo. And I was like, here, Eva, try this one. And then like it came and it was so gigantic.

And I was like, I didn't think the rat would take up half the cup. The rat is half the cup, for sure. Like the Stanley website was down when we were trying to order them. So she and I were on the phone refreshing. And you were in Virginia. So I was like, Eva, let's figure this out

and we'll just surprise everyone. And then we were so frustrated. Eva found a creator on Etsy who makes them by hand, which was even like cooler. And yeah, so they picked, we picked like half and half the Chroma ones and then like, I think red ones. I forget, I forget what, I don't know.

But it was, well, so what it was, was a staff gift for our staff. Even I was like, we want them too. It's just so lame. I'm so lame. What did the ones for the staff say? It's not also Drink Up M with a Rad, is it? It's not M. It says Drink Up Katie, Megan, Jack,

Sersha, and then Christine and Eva and M. But Eva had not had a Stanley before, and then Christine and Eva and Eva had not had a Stanley before and then she literally screenshot that she bought like a Olivia Rodrigo one right afterward and I was like you are the worst person to introduce to a fandom besides me and M because 100% just the money goes straight out the window. It's so hard to resist. Well, so are you also responsible for the accessories? No, that was an all Eva situation. That was a delicious call because that was fun. So it's sitting here so I can put my Stanley in it. And it changed my life by the way. You got like this little, it hangs and it's got, it's got, it holds your phone, your credit cards, your self or your sunglasses, your keys. Your vape, your disposable vape. It holds everything and it holds the Stanley.

So anyway. Okay, so have you seen, so I was actually just watching a YouTuber who does like critiques of TikTok trends and stuff, and she did one on Stanley like fandoms, and it's like the rage vape videos where people are like, Oh yes. Get my Stanley back to school ready.

And it's like, what the fuck? And then it's like, here's its three crayons. It needs some loose leaf paper. And you're like, what the fuck are you doing? And it's like, it's so like rage inducing that it's like, I think these people have, some people are just satirical, like dooping us. But there are some like wild folks with these Stanley things.

I mean, I have two of them now and I'm like, Blaze is already like one more, and the first goes out the window, you know? So I don't think... I almost got the Elphaba one for Wicked, and then I didn't. I almost bought that for you, but then I was like, oh, everybody bought it,

because there was like a brawl at Target over it, and people were like punching each other. It's like, what the... I probably threw the first punch. I thought I saw your lettuce tattoo bicep kinda come through the screen. It just came swinging in, just one leaf floating by. Yeah, one leaf, one feather.

I saw Linda's feather on TV. Yeah. Anyway, this is right. I was watching Cinemax and I saw Linda's feather. You're sick. You're almost as dirty as Eva's tattoo. Oh, that's saying something. I know. Anyway, so this is where I give you my official thank you because I did not expect to open that when I got home and it was delicious. I'm so glad I got to you finally. I was so

worried that like it would just end up like, I don't know, in some storage. I don't know. I didn't know if it would like get to you. So I'm glad. No, we we luckily have neighbors who have been taking in all of our mail. We owe them quite a lot. Oh, nice. Pastries. And I've probably mailed you so much shit. If I had known that I probably would not have mailed you so much shit. But it's fine. Oops. No. So anyway, I planned on drinking out of that. But since I don't have that, I will be drinking my LD. And I'm ready to tell you my story. It is one I worked quite hard on. I I think this one I actually worked twice as hard on as I usually work on. Oh, wow. OK. Wow.

My usual time I usually it usually takes like eight hours to like get all of the notes. So weird, because I know we do notes so complete. Like, I mean, you and I do them completely differently, but I've always averaged at about like eight. Yeah. Yeah, and this one was this one was double that probably So I think just because there was so much That's why I like to do like Jeffrey Dahmer part one and two and then it's like, aha I tricked everybody into letting me do all that work for two episodes. Yeah

Well, if it were like a ghost story, unfortunately for those who like the ghost stories, this is not one of those. If it were able to be a part one. Imagine how pissed off everyone is when they've listened through all of this bullshit. And then they're like, wait, what? They just take their finger and drag to you. I mean, not the first rodeo, I'm sure. It's a new year. It's time to refresh. Okay, we're all trying to simplify. We're trying to just get back to our roots. Or are we not? That's just me. I don't know. This is why I resolved to refresh my wardrobe with quality pieces and stay on budget. And that's what I'm doing. Thanks to quince. I have worn this sweatshirt that I'm wearing right now to,

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I hope people who want a conspiracy theory are happy. It's always going to be 50% of you are happy. So here we go. I'll tell a ghost story, nobody knows. Oh shit, you know, I actually found a story that is half true crime and half ghost story and I don't know which one of us should handle it. Oh, I love those though. Those are like some of the best. Maybe we should do like a special episode where we both cover it.

We've never done that before. Where we do half the work each. Oh, actually, hang on. And then let's do part one and part two. Yes, exactly. We'll quarter the work. You're onto something. Yeah. Okay, actually, hang on. And then let's do part one and part two. Yes, exactly. We'll quarter the work. Okay, so this is the Denver Airport conspiracy theories. Now I cannot wait for... Oh, I don't think I ever even knew if you would do this or not because I was like, I don't know

if that's like an M's like wheelhouse or if they would want to. I'm so thrilled. I'm so thrilled. So up until learning about all this, my favorite fun fact about the Denver airport, because I passed to the Denver airport so often. Yeah, I bet. Eva and I both do because it's we usually fly out of our neighborhood airport instead of LAX, because if you're a local, nobody likes LAX. And it's we usually fly out of our neighborhood airport instead

of LAX because if you're a local, nobody likes LAX. And it's just such a pain in the ass. Yeah. It's a nightmare. And so we usually fly out of Burbank. And if you're flying out of Burbank, there's always a layover. It's very rare you're lucky to get a straight shot. And one of the top three...

They fly to like Austin because it's like Austin Film Fest and shit like that. One of the top three layover spots are Denver, and it's always Concourse B. So Concourse B of Denver Airport, and I know each other very well. You're like triggering me so aggressively right now saying Concourse B. Please keep it down.

I can't stand this. My tension headache. Oh my God. If there was an airport, like, and specifically a concourse, I don't even have to wonder about food when I, when I landed Denver. I know exactly every single gate, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so my fun fact up until this,

this set of notes was that my favorite spot to travel to mid like during a layover is Denver airport B 54 because that is where the Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory is and that's where I get my candy apples. Okay, I thought you were gonna say, cause like there's some underground tunnel there that entrance there. No, it's just cause I want a caramel apple. Every time, cause we always end up in like the B30s

and if I have a long enough layover, I can walk the 20. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how that feels. You have to like, and then you're like, oh, moving, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how that feels. You have to like, and then you're like, oh, moving walkway. Oh my God, Lord, help me. You're really seriously setting me

in a bad direction here, spiral. I knew I needed to be in bed. If you happen to be in the Denver airport while you're listening to this and you happen to be in Concourse B, if you were to wander over to gate 54, you might see a Carmel Apple that has my name on it. Oh, my N-R-P-O box is.

Yeah. Anyway, that's a, that has my name on it. Oh, my NRPO box is. Yeah. Anyway, that's a, that's my favorite. Okay. We're gonna, let's all do the thing where we like take a selfie there and then we create, we create like a whole new conspiracy about that particular storefront in the Denver airport. This airport is like meant, is known to be weird as shit.

So like, why not just make it a thing that like- I love it. Maybe maybe maybe I can start getting discounts on my apples. I yeah. Now let's put it this way. As someone who travels to the Denver airport a lot more than most people, I probably proportionally buy a lot more of their apples than anyone else. Yes. So they better fucking watch out who they're messing with. I'm owed is what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You're in tops here. So as one of their top customers, here is the story of the Denver Airport. So fun fact, apparently Denver Airport is called DIA to people because it's Denver International Airport. Okay. So I will be saying DIA, even though the code for the Denver Airport is DEN

for Denver. Okay, because I was like, I that is not the okay. All right. Yeah. Anyway. Fun fact, DIA. And now it's going to throw me every time I am flying through Denver. So the DIA spans over 33000 acres. Whoa. It is one of the largest airports in the world. Apparently, this one source told me

there is 1.5 million square feet of property. Because we are always flying through only Concourse B, I don't think it occurred to me that this has those kinds of stats. I didn't know it was like that big of an airport. Yeah, me neither. The land alone makes it the second largest airport in the world

After the King Fod International Airport in Saudi Arabia Oh my lord the land alone Wow and the land alone makes the Denver Airport bigger than actual cities like San Francisco What isn't that fucking crazy? That's the Denver the property that the Denver Airport sits on is bigger than the city of, that's like mind boggling. That's, my head hurts again. I don't know what's happening. That's a headache. Oh shit, okay.

I was about to call Blaze from his nap and make him assess me. So the DIA is also the third busiest airport in the world with almost 70 million travelers passing through it per year. And how many I mean I would say at least 10,000 of those are you like statistically. And the other are apples. Yep that's what they say. And so it was originally built for up to 50 million travelers per year. It is now hitting 70

and they're projecting by like 2030 it'll be 100 million travelers a year. it is now hitting 70 and they're projecting by like 2030, it'll be a hundred million travelers a year. So they are constantly trying to expand. If anyone's been around, yeah. I'm just like, I'm holding my breath. So they're constantly trying to expand despite it already being so big. What the fuck? It is the largest airport in the country by area.

It's 53 square miles and has the country's longest commercial use runway, which is apparently 16,000 feet long, or three miles long. Three miles, okay, that puts it in perspective. Yeah, three miles, holy shit. And fun fact, that runway is 16R34L, in case you don't know. Oh my God, let's all go take a selfie in front of 16R34L. Let's hold our apples on 16R34L.

We're gonna create like a whole scavenger,. They're probably already our scavenger hunts for the Denver Airport. Let's be real Though the last fun fact I have before I start with this is that McCully Culkin once tweeted the Denver Airport is the scariest place I've ever been in my life He had to deal with three home invasions. Are you kidding me? I mean, seriously. As a child? As a child, as a minor. He fended them off on his own one time in New York City by himself. And Donald Trump was there. And a lady with so many pigeons. And a pigeon lady? Oh my. He's been around the block.

He's a survivor, you know. And the DIA said, I'm no match for you. Holy crap. So let's just get right into some of the theories. The main conspiracy theory here is that it starts with the construction of the DIA. The airport was slated to open in 1993, but it didn't open until 18 months later in 1995. And that was already kind of weird. People were like, what's the delay? What's going on? It got even weirder when people found out,

oh, there was also a slight over budget. We maybe spent two or three billion extra dollars. What? And we also don't totally want to disclose who is funding this. Wait, billion with a B. With a B. Holy smokes, okay.

And we don't, okay, okay. Yes. So, it was- I'm already in 110%. Holy smokes. Okay. And we don't okay. Okay. Yes. So I'm already in a hundred We all know I'm already in I'm I'm locked and loaded. Let's go So it was two years delayed There was at least a two billion dollar overspending although some sources say up to like four point eight billion dollars That's like the fact that we don't even know is weird, you know, the people who were funding it were apparently a little hush hush at some point.

Also of the construction, there was apparently a whistleblower who said, oh, I've been down there and this is what I saw. And apparently there are several stories of building underneath the ground full of tunnels and allegedly bunkers. Like so deeply unsettling. Yeah, it's super scary. And on top of that, during the two years that it took to keep construction going,

despite it should have already been done by now, they kept firing construction crews and rehiring them. I see that's always a sign. And the thought is to make sure that nobody knows the true full blueprint of what's down there. Imagine it's like the way it feels like the Whaley house like just keep building shit you know keep adding staircases and don't ask questions. And don't go over here. So many believe these tunnels are for nefarious reasons, obviously, including Christine. I wonder why. When is a tunnel not for nefarious? Well, I guess there are plenty. So I'm going to stop talking. I'm like,

just like to walk under a bridge. Just like to walk under a bridge and also like a tunnel to like let a train in, you know, stuff like that. Speaking of tunnels and bridges, I will say, if I were to get another tattoo, I would get the Fredericksburg skyline, which is known for its bridge. Oh, that's cute. Isn't that fun? Yeah, I like that.

And that won't hurt as much, that line tattoo. Yeah, but I was thinking about it being colored in. Oh, well, that'll hurt. Like solid. That'll suck, yeah. Anyway, so I probably won't do it. So many believe that this song is for various reasons. People think that these could be bunkers for the elite, they could be hideouts for the government or a new world order.

I mean for someone to have billions of dollars to fund it, yeah. And it, well I don't want to get ahead of myself. Yes you're onto something. Bunkers for the elite, hideouts for the government. Maybe this is where extraterrestrials are. I mean, if we're already, if this is an aircraft, an airspace. We know they are rich as shit.

Or they could at least be in cahoots with military bases. Maybe this is where military bases are storing the bodies we keep hearing about with the aliens. You're so scaring me. You're scaring under the fucking caramel apples. This is outrageous. I love this fucking story so much. And keep in mind that, like when I say,

like there are several stories below the airport, I mean like at the very least, we know of six layers of underground. That for sure. Of stories, like not just like a little lockdown. Full floors of... Full floors. Oh my lord. Which also, since if nothing's going on down there, think of the theories alone just in

back rooms. Yes, I know. And it's like a labyrinth basically that's like untouched. I mean, ew. There have been people on TikTok who have like found, like have gone through a door and then they end up in the back Rooms of the Denver Airport and the guy was did you see that guy? He's like I haven't seen a person in like a quarter of a mile He's like I've just been wandering and there's not been a single person or sign for my gate

Like I'm just oh there was one I saw where he was walking and the ceiling was getting lower Yeah, I don't know why that freaked me out so much, but sure did I just have full chills now after that Why that freaked me out so much, but sure did. I just have full chills now after that. Allegedly nobody knew again, who was funding this wild overspending something. It must be the Illuminati or it's gotta be some secret government, something insert whatever secret thing here

that has enough money and power to be able to keep funding whatever's going on. Some Elon Musk bullshit. And it made no sense to people why an airport was being built on top of an already functioning airport, because what I didn't tell you yet is that before the Denver Airport, I almost asked. There was the Stapleton International Airport.

Because you said 93. I was like, there's no way there was not an airport in Denver before that. OK, so they built on top of it. They built on top of an airport that already existed. And to the general public was a seemingly perfectly functional. They also built underneath it, I think. They actually just sandwiched it. Just like smushed it.

So yeah, there was the Stapleton International Airport and the story goes that people were baffled that they were even building a new airport because why did they need that? So then people are like, well, was there shady stuff going on at the Stapleton one that they need to demolish? Are they building and are they building new or are they calling this new thing an airport as an excuse for why there's all this concrete construction everywhere? Where it's like, maybe it's not going to be an airport or maybe it's just disguised as an airport. It's like a facade. Like maybe we are building six stories below and we're just going to put an airport on top

so nobody questions anything. Yeah. Oh my lord. And just make it accessible for 70 million people. Yeah, exactly. So realistically, as far as we know, at least conspiracy theorists will say, well, who's to say? But allegedly, I guess I should say it. The over budget was funded by the FAA, which is government money and the city of Denver. And if you ask the right people, they'll say, oh, well, the Stapleton International Airport. Yes, to most people, it looks like a totally functioning airport, but it had like a desperate need for several improvements.

We were constantly closing on the runway. We were having a lot of maintenance issues There's no Russell Stover or whatever restaurant that was you mentioned the chocolate factory There's no apples like people are freaking out. Oh, it's really bad. Actually, there's a one-year-old somewhere in 93 Who needs an apple and we need two billion dollars to make sure this gets funded. Yeah who needs an Apple. And we need $2 billion to make sure this gets funded. Yeah. But so they were like, this just, people who weren't in the industry or who worked here

had no idea that like we needed massive improvements. Right. Almost made sense to just start over. Okay. Because it was certainly not an airport meant to hold 50 million people, let alone coming up on double. So it's also odd, like I said, because there are several floors built underneath the airport that have seemingly no reason.

In fact, when you look at the, um, the square footage of just the underground tunnels, it is almost half a million square feet, 470,000 square feet are down there. And that's a lot. A lot, yeah. And some contractors claim that they saw the bunkers and the tunnels, but it definitely helps people think that there must be an underground tunnel system that they want us to know nothing about. Many think that these tunnels actually lead to NORAD, which is the North American Aerospace

Defense Command. That's not the right letters. I know NORAD, I've heard of that, but I don't know what it stands for. I think... NORAD. NORAD. Astonishing Legends talks about that. Oh no, apparently it is.

The North American... Oh, because it's NOR-AD. A-D-I-C. I was like, hang on a second, those letters on a second those. Yeah, that didn't make sense for a moment either to me It's weird that we let the military come up with Initials that like don't actually yeah, it's like I guess you're allowed to do that if you're the military So anyway, they think a lot of the tunnels will lead to no rad which is the North American Aerospace Defense Command they think a lot of these tunnels take you either directly to military bases or they take you even 100 miles to bunkers. Apparently, NORAD has a has a branch 75 miles away.

So they think, oh, well, these tunnels take you there in case of like a nuclear event. Like this will keep you safe until you can get to the actual base. Wow, so they think there's a tunnel that goes all the way, 75 miles long, geez. Yes, 75 miles long. What are you gonna do on one of those little luggage carts? That's how you're gonna get there? One of those smart carts, like 25 cents in there.

So others think that not only is it, you could drive 100 miles to a bunker, but these tunnels could be the beginnings of building out an entire town underground for the rich and powerful when the doomsday is come. So like this weekend, probably because of probably someone signing out down there. Yeah. The airport says that these facilities are not a fallout shelter. This is just where all the luggage goes downstairs. Okay, the luggage, sure, whatever that even means. What, the luggage, like the airlines lose?

What do you mean? Well, I guess if you think about it, if there's 70 million people a year going through this airport, you don't often see, like it's kind of like the back rooms of where the luggage goes. Wait, that's a great fucking point. And also- It's a lot of suitcases.

I mean, 70 million bags a year, and you don't see them like just carted around in front of you. Like it's when you drop them off at Bag Drop, it kind of the inner workings. Yeah, I guess when they end up on that truck thing. Also apparently, it has now become it's kind of like at Disneyland, like the tunnels where it's like this is where employees get from A to B without bothering other people. I see. Apparently, up to a thousand workers a day are down there.

Just getting from terminal to terminal. It's also where a lot of the plumbing and electrical is. Because if you think about an airport that's, I mean, as big as San Francisco, think of all the plumbing and electricity you need for that. My airport also has plumbing and electricity. I don't know that they needed, I mean, okay, yes. I know, I'm on conspiracy brain, sorry, but yes. No, you're good.

But imagine- Six floors of plumbing and electricity and like, no. But does it seem, it seems intriguing to me, like if you told me San Francisco, which is somehow smaller than this airport. Yeah. If you told me San Francisco, which is somehow smaller than this airport. If you told me San Francisco is run by only six floors of plumbing and electricity, I'd go, that's it.

You know what I mean? So very quickly it's like, well, that's not a lot of space. Well, shit. And that's where all of the luggage goes. And on top of it. Okay, but then why, if they have so much space, are they not going outward?

Like, why is it down? Or is it all like- That's a good point. Is the whole airport take up that gigantic property? Or is it just like, they decided to build down instead of out? Yeah, I don't know that answer. I do know that at one point,

they were trying a new, like state of the art, hadn't been seen before automated luggage system that was supposed to be operating underground where nobody had to see it. And then it was a total bust. Apparently this the system was, this is a quote, launching bags off of the conveyor belts and shredding luggage. Someone else apparently called it the baggage system from hell. Oh my god. And apparently that person maybe was McCauley Culkin. He said it was the scariest place he'd ever been. Well yeah, cause his Louis Vuitton bag got shredded and thrown in his face.

So when that system wasn't working, they just kind of abandoned ship, but I think one whole floor was supposed to be dedicated to this baggage stuff. Okay, I mean that makes sense. And then another floor was plumbing, another thing was electricity. So, but that still, you're right,

doesn't account for three whole floors of this. It does feel very late 80s like let's modernize things, like instead of building out so that we need all these trams, like what if we did up and down? Like it almost feels like an architect was like, I've got a bold idea for the Denver airport and they like tested it out and it was like, nevermind. They like ate your backpack. Yeah. Yeah, they ate your backpack and now you have two billion dollars in debt and they, yeah, I don't know, I backpack, yeah. Yeah, they ate your backpack and now you have $2 billion in debt and they, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. But I could see that being a possibility.

So that's a thought. That's a thought. And when asked about the tunnels leading to military bases, this is an interesting thought that the world's longest that we know of, the world's longest underground rail tunnel, it's in the Swiss Alps, and it took over a decade to build, and it's still less than half the size people claim

that these tunnels go. Really? Yeah. It took how long? It took over a decade to build, basically, like, 30-something miles. Oh, my God. And people think that, well, this one is an easy 75 miles. 75. Okay, yeah, I guess I fell for that trap too, where I was like, Oh yeah, just build a tunnel.

But also we don't know like they weren't us government funded, you know, so wasn't involved. Yeah. Plus this is another, this is another thought is that if the airport and its backers spent decades and billions hiding an agenda, why would they jeopardize it by posting clues of it around the airport? I mean, yeah, that part is kind of for me where it starts to fall apart.

Like, well, would it be this obvious? Or would people on TikTok be just wandering into it all the time, you know? Well, here are some of those clues. Okay. The first one, because again, these are the people- What if it was like a master riddle maker? Like, remember?

Remember that movie Rat Race? if it was like a master riddle maker? Like remember, remember that movie Rat Race? And it was like. Yeah. What if it was me bored during COVID and I'm in an escape room and. And you took all our money and I didn't even know about it and funded all the billions that we have into the Denver airport, put clues everywhere.

It does feel like the only, like a John Cleese movie or something, you know? Oh, John Cleese, haven't heard that name in a long time. I don't know where that came from. I never know actor's names. I don't even know who that name in a long time. I don't know where that came from. I never know actors names. I don't even know who that is, but it just, I always thought he would play an excellent mouse eating cheese and I don't know if it's because his name is Cleese and cheese. But doesn't he do that?

No. See, see in my head that is literally what he does, but maybe we both have, he looks like someone could make a claymation rat of him eating cheese. Oh my God. So he was in rat race. Okay. So that was him. Maybe that's why, because rat rat race. Oh wait, duh. Yeah, and also in that movie there's I we used to watch a movie so often and it's like so bad and It's it's like so bad, but we loved it as kids. We watched it all the fucking time for some reason

I remember having that DVD and it weirdly was always on loop. We had the VHS baby Oh quit bragging. We had no loop to speak of, but I had that rewind button. Anyway, yeah, so it feels like a John Cleese, like an eccentric, like, riddle master has too much money. He always was eccentric. Right? John Cleese, he will go down history as an eccentric rich man.

I'm telling you. Always a little evil. And like, think about like a movie like Knives Out, like just something where it's like, okay, you have to suspend your disbelief to be like, oh, the clues, they left clues for some reason. I mean, there's nobody else I would want

to play Colonel Mustard, you know? Yeah, exactly, exactly. You get it. So here are some of the clues. And as I say this, remember that most of these conspiracy theorists, the main thing are these tunnels. That is what caused everything else to be fucking weird.

Because everyone thought underground bunkers, obviously government something. Sinister. Slash new world order. So it all comes from that. Oh speaking of, Sinister had definitely covered this, which was a really fun episode, but it was a while ago. I bet, I bet they killed it.

Yeah. I bet they killed it. So sorry if I butcher it compared to them. No, no, no. Which is likely. Oh, come on. Don't be so hard on yourself. Every time I listen to them, I go,

man, what am I doing here? Well, one of them's an attorney. We don't have credentials like that, so. What am I doing here? Well, one of them is an attorney. We don't have credit credentials like that. So Okay, the first theory is that when you're looking at it from an aerial view Which is easy to do at an airport because you're in a fucking plane Sorry, I don't know why I was like, oh, why is that easy to do? Oh, I see. All right From an aerial view apparently the layout of the runways look like a swastika. Oh yeah, I've seen that picture.

Which, if you're looking for it, yes. Right. But you have to kind of, which we'll post pictures too for everyone. Do you mind if I look it up? Yeah, go for it. I don't know. I should have sent you pictures,

I didn't even think about it. Oh that's okay, I don't remember. Aerial silks, no. What am I looking for? Aerial silks. Swastika. Oh God! Yeah sent you pictures. I didn't even think about it. Oh, that's okay, I don't remember. Ariel silks, no. What am I looking for? Ariel Dazer. Swastika. Oh God! Yeah, you know what I mean.

Type away, you little German, type away. You know, Google, what I'm trying to say. In national airport, here we go. Oh. Like, yes, yes. I mean, if you draw red lines on it in MS Paint, like, yeah, but from above above I wouldn't, I mean. Unless you're-

Unless you're primed to see it, I think, right? Like, it's hard- Unless you're not, unless you're thinking about a new world order, you wouldn't look at that and go, oh, swastika, you know? It's like Eva's tattoo, like, you're just like, hey, that sounds dirty, and then we just couldn't stop making it dirty.

I know, I know. Poor Eva. Certainly an HR violation. I feel so bad. At the least. I feel so bad. At the least. But yeah, so if you're looking at this, if again, if you're trying, yeah, I guess it

looks like a swastika, but you have to ignore other lines. Plus the swastika isn't even equal. Like one of the arms isn't the same size as everything else. Basically, the argument for this, that the obviously the airport had to make a fucking statement because people are like, you're Nazis. Yeah. They said, no, actually, this is like, first of all, designed by renowned architects. So like fucking relax. And they're not Nazis. And also this is just a pinwheel layout

where if you look, there's several more arms than just four. Yeah. And the pinwheel layout helps to allow multiple runways to be used at once so there isn't delays. It feels like an airport would sensibly look that way. Like I could understand that. I think an airport, I'm sure in their press statement

at some point, they first wrote and then had to delete. I can't believe I have to say this. I can't believe I have to say this. Similarly, the airport on the outside, they're part of their design is that they have a lot of white tents outside and like covering up infrastructure. And a lot of people say, oh, well, those white tents look a lot like KKK hoods. Oh, geez. Yeah. Okay. But then the airport again had to be like, no, this represents Colorado's snow-capped

mountain. Leave us alone. Oh, dear. And it's hard to not believe that. It just sounds so sad that it's like, I trust that. I believe that. Still, there are people out there who can think use this at least to confirm Oh, obviously this place is either ran by Nazis or a New World Order or operates with them It's just wild because it's like, were they like in a brainstorming meeting? They're like well we want to like a fun clue hidden from aerial view You know what I mean? It's like well you got the tents like we want Like we want to be the shape of the building. Like, I don't know.

It just seems- Like if anything, couldn't you have said, oh my God, there's a pinwheel and now it looks like a hypnosis wheel. And I mean- Yeah, whatever. Like you could come up with anything. Exactly.

Or you could be like, I don't know. It's just, it just seems a little silly that they would be so concerned with like hiding clues of their symbols in the- Also like you're not hiding anything if you have an obvious swastika somewhere. That's not hiding shit. It's not like a hidden Mickey ears.

It's not subtle. Right, right, wouldn't you be like, oh, let's make it the least swastika looking thing possible just in case, right? If you were actually, I don't know, it just seems like kind of a tenuous argument. Well, so- Remember how I was like so on the conspiracy train five minutes ago, now I'm like, that's so unreasonable.

I did, I did. Look, okay, but evidence again that conspiracy theories are slippery slopes. Yes, very true, very true. Very quickly, even the smartest people in the world can get caught up in the wrong thing. Read, cue it on. Well said. So, speaking of the art installation of the Snowcat Mountains to cover the infrastructure, one of the big things about the DIA,

the Denver Airport, is that they have this really great public art program where they are known for having a lot of art in their in their in their airport. Obviously, it's being like involved in their infrastructure as well to make it look like mountains and pay an homage to the state. But this art program dedicates one percent of every construction project budget to art. Oh, OK. So right now, I don't know actually about right now. I don't. The source, I think, was like two years old.

But at the time, at least in the 2020s, there are usually around 40 installations in the airport to pay attention to. Oh, wow. And a lot of them have become these clues that people have run into, which I mean, imagine being stuck in an airport and you just look at every mural and you're like, what does this one mean? What does this one mean? What is this? Oh my God, it's all making sense. It's like what you said, unless you're looking for a swastika, it's like, well, yeah, I guess you could start finding clues to whatever you wanted to. Yeah, yeah, I could see that, especially the art.

Well, the most famous art piece at the airport, which you probably know about, is Blue-sipher. Yes, Blue-sipher. So Blue-sipher is a piece that was originally called Mustang, and it was by Luis Jimenez. And he is now nicknamed Lucifer because he is this big ass blue horse. He's a 9,000 pound statue. He's 32 feet tall.

And he stands out front of the airport. So when you're driving in, you can see him from the highway. When you're flying away, he's on the runway with you. And they call him Blues for because he honestly looks really fucking scary. He's like a huge blue fucking horse. And not only that, but if you say it's a horse. Yes. Yes. And if you Google him, if you Google like an up close picture of him,

he's not only just scary from far away, but he has like scars all over his face. He looks really demonic. Aren't his like testicles in it? He does seem to have a somewhat of a package. Yeah. Even without trying, if he's 32 feet tall, they're- Yeah, I guess so. I guess if you wanna be anatomically correct, sure.

The thing that's the most demonic about Lucifer though, is that he has neon glowing red eyes like I mean that part? So day or night you can see at least eyes glowing from the airport like that's pretty weird right guys pretty weird It's super weird and one of the other reasons why he's called blue suffer Not just because he's this big fucking scary demonic horse looking thing is because he killed his own creator. I guess that's right. I forgot about that. So he was created by Luis Jimenez.

And in 2006, when Luis was working on him, part of the head of Lucifer fell off, landed on him and severed an artery in his leg and he died. So I mean, Jesus Christ, that's so horrifying. Luis's kids ended up finishing the statue in his honor and it went to the airport two years later in 2008. But conspiracy theorists think that not only is he scary and demonic looking, he's got glowing red eyes. Uh, he killed his own creator. Um, he,

they now also think he obviously represents the four horsemen of the apocalypse. And then the airport had to come out and go, no, he's an art piece and he represents Denver as a gateway to the American West. Like he's a horse. That feels like a PR spin. You know? The gateway to the Ameri- what?

Okay. I guess cause Colorado is- Well, what about like Broncos? I thought it was Broncos. You would call it, well, the Denver Broncos, right? So maybe was what about like Broncos. I thought it was Broncos You would call it well the Denver Broncos, right? So maybe that's also part of it I thought they were like, oh, you know, we're the horse state. I Don't know. Maybe Broncos are also because it's a gateway to the American. I guess Wild Bronco. Yeah, I guess so rodeo style so

Yeah, and on top of that by way, the reason he's blue, because people seem to be think that that's part of the conspiracy. They're like, oh, the blue means something. OK, relax. The blue is because Louise actually did have a horse named Blackjack and Blackjack was a blue ron apple lusa. And this horse, I guess, has black and white hairs that mix so well that it actually looks like a blue tint. I literally thought you said a dog. It's a horse. He had a horse.

Yes. Oh, OK. He had a horse named Blackjack. I think I heard dog in my head and maybe I said dog. I know. I don't know. I don't know. I think it was just me. So that's why he's blue. It's just because his own actual horse looked blue. Oh, well, I mean, that makes sense. Good reason. Yeah.

And the glowing red eyes, obviously, everyone's like, well, that's dynamic. That part I don't, I get stuck on that. This is an homage to Louise or Louise's father. I'm not sure which one. Is it Louise or like Louise, like a, sorry, the side, side question. Sorry, Louise. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry, it's Louise. No, no, I'm just making sure. But the glowing red eyes are an homage to either him or his father, because when they were learning their own artistic skills, they worked at a neon shop. And so a neon shop meant something to the family. So when they were finishing the piece, they put glowing neon red eyes.

He's like, where to put neon? I know, the eyes will beam out. It's kind of scary. It's also because the red eyes have a second story to it too, which is that Luis had his own horse, Blackjack. Luis was going home one day and looked in the windows of his own home and saw glowing red eyes. And when he walked in, Blackjack had somehow broken into the house.

Oh, okay. That's a great story. It's a funny story. Yeah. Like how did my horse get in here? My blue horse with red eyes. that's literally what he created. And it feels like he didn't... It almost is like that thing where you do something, but you don't realize how crazy it sounds on the outside because it's so normal in your head. And he's like, what do you mean? It's a blue horse with red neon eyes. What's so weird about that? I know. And honestly, his wife actually had a funny thing, well, not funny,

but like a poignant thing to say about it, where when discussing Lucifer and Lucifer's red eyes, Luis's wife said the red eyes show based on that story of Blackjack breaking in, that sometimes things are only scary because you don't know what it is. Oh, that is because it's unfamiliar or unknown. So despite all that, people are like, Lucifer is cursed. He causes chaos at the airport. Meanwhile, it's like some some kids like help finish their dead

dad's art project. It's horrible. Like in a in a state of trauma, probably. And officials have airport officials at least have come out and been like, no, he's like supposed to be like a protector of all the travelers coming from near and far. And he guards the airport. Is he a gateway or protector? And They have to make up their damn minds. And he's not a bronco apparently he's a Mustang. Oh no no I look this up. So it's not a type of a bronco is just like a hold on I looked this up one time

because I was like what's the difference between a bronco and a Mustang? Oh yeah and an Appaloosa which is who it's actually based off of. That's maybe why I thought you said dog, because I think in my head that's the type of dog I might just like not. It's an untamed horse, so it just could mean any type of horse. So he is a bronco. Okay, so he's a bronco. Yeah.

So that makes sense too. And that adds to it. Perfect. Yep. But anyway, people are like, he's obviously terrifying, but she does look terrifying. I mean, he is terrifying actively. And a horse in your house is also terrifying. So like, as I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just, he's obviously terrifying, but she does look terrifying. I mean, he is terrifying actively. And a horse in your house is also terrifying. So like, as I'm not saying it's not true,

I'm just saying it's equally terrifying. Which leads to one of the reasons why the Denver airport is so creepy is because even though they have this like wonderful art program, most of the art they pick is really fucking weird. Okay, yeah. Including Blue Sufer, like a demonic blue horse with glowing red eyes. I mean, it's weird. Okay, yeah. Including Bluecifer, like a demonic blue horse

with glowing red eyes. I mean, it's a wild choice, yeah. People are gonna have questions. People are gonna talk. The neighbors are gonna talk. You can't be surprised when people are like, wait a minute, what's going on? Another piece of weird art that they put in

are gargoyles. Oh yes, oh my God. So my favorite thing about this, because the guy is so quippy, the artist's name is Terry Allen and he titled this art piece Notre Denver. Love that. And these gargoyles sit inside suitcases near baggage claim

to watch over your bags. I mean, it's very sweet. I love it. It's very sweet. I love it. Fun fact, they sit in Samsonite suitcases because the Samsonite factory was in Denver at the time. Oh, I love that. So another nod to Denver. Many see these gargoyles and of course, because they don't have any information,

they go, ah, dark, scary gargoyles. OK, but gargoyles are meant to be protectors and watch over you. That's right. And so some take a totally different meaning with this, but literally they're just supposed to watch your luggage come out of baggage claim. That's it. That's fucking it. Here's the best fucking part. One of the gargoyles, they came out with this marketing campaign.

I'm going to get into the marketing campaign. No, no, sorry. The airport. There's one woman who I'm going to talk about later. There's this one woman who I'm going to talk about later. Her name is Stacey. We love Stacey. She did a lot of PR campaigns, marketing ideas. And one of them was she had installed this other gargoyle named Greg. And Greg was an interactive gargoyle named Greg. And Greg was an interactive gargoyle who talked back and forth with the guests. That's crazy.

Like at a tree at Disney or whatever, like one of those things. Oh my gosh. Like Crush the Turtle. And so he would just say- Oh, oh, oh, oh my God, sorry. I thought you said Crush the Turtle. Okay, I get it now.

Crush from Finding Nemo. Crush from the Turtle from Finding Nemo. So it was like an interactive gargoyle who would be like, oh, you with the blue suitcase, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, oh my God, that's so freaky, by the way. I know, so a lot of people thought it was too freaky. Yeah.

And especially the people, I think, who already tied this airport to like satanic shit or dark stuff. They were like, now a gargoyle talks to us, are you fucking kidding me? Now there's like an active person watching us like, oh look, you in the blue suitcase. I mean, not that people aren't already watching everybody

at the airport, right? But yeah, it's weird. I do get the idea of like, oh, it's to like, get you hyped up that you're like off your flight and you're gonna like hang out with everyone. Welcome to Denver, yeah. Yeah. But some people thought it was so demonic

that Greg got shut down and is now just a... He's still animatronic, but he only says pre-recorded phrases. But I like that they still had theirs at the end because the pre-recordings are still hysterical. Okay. One of them is, welcome to Illuminati headquarters. I mean, Denver International Airport. Okay. This is so good. They lean into it. See, this is the kind of shit up to Stacy's ahead of her time man I love Stacy. She also he said something someone posted a tech talk of the gargoyle recently who said, you know, gargoyles like squatting. Yeah The gargoyle just goes oh my knees

That was me going up the stairs today Yeah, he says something else about like someone made me me a Tinder account, it's so lonely up here. Oh my God, so they update it with stuff? I guess so, I guess so, yeah. Oh, maybe that was a while ago, but that's so funny. Anyway, loved Greg the gargoyle, even if he's just pre-recorded. Imagine having an IMDB and being like,

the voice of Greg the gargoyle, like that must be such a high esteemed award. Yeah, esteemed accomplishment. Well, so that's one piece, that's another art. So there's Blucifer, there's Greg the gargoyle. There's gargoyles in general. So I think there's multiple gargoyles, but only Greg was the interactive one for a while.

Then the other big thing that's like the end of the world, this is obviously a sign of doomsday, there are some murals of these 40 installations. Oh yes, murals. These, this artwork that is super popular with conspiracy theorists, there are two murals, both made by a guy named Leo Tanguma. And to be honest, when you look at it,

just like Blue Sufer, just like the gargoyles, it's fucking weird looking. It's a weird mural, but it's just art that also is supposed to be a conversation piece okay so it has very like bright colors while having very disturbing images so it like looks fun and draws you in then when you look at it it's like actually really fucked up um what's uh sorry what's it called is or i guess i can just search then i'll tell you in a second oh you will give you the name in a second. But to give you an idea, just so you know,

that you found the right mural, I guess, when you Google it, some of the images that are disturbing in this that have like bright colors and everything, there's a Nazi with a gas mask holding an assault rifle and a sword that's stabbing a bird. Oh my God. There's images of dying animals, kids in coffins. There's a letter from a kid from Auschw bird. Oh my God. There's images of dying animals, kids in coffins. There's a letter from a kid from Auschwitz.

Oh my God. Firestorms, there's lots of destruction and chaos. And theorists claim that these murals obviously represent like a new world order or a plan for a takeover or something about like really scary power. Right. But in reality, the murals have other meanings

and they are warnings of what could come when it comes to injustices, climate change, violence, war. So it's meant to scare you to be like, this is what could happen. It's like a reminder, like a historic reminder. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So I will tell you the names now.

There's two murals. There's one, if you wanted to look it up, called The Children of the World Dream of Peace. Okay. I definitely remember Googling this when I listened to Sinister Hood ages ago and I was like, I can't believe, like they were saying these things

and I was like, that can't be true. Like there's no way. Okay, God children of the world. Oh, I mean, it looks, it really looks unassuming. Hold on. Yeah. It's like, where's the guy? Where's the scary guy?

So there's two pieces. So that's that's one of the pieces. OK. And then the other one is called in peace and harmony with nature. Oh, OK, because I was like, I don't see anything scary, but I'm also very oblivious. No, you're good. But that's kind of the point, too. It's like it's just it looks happy and unassuming. And then when you really pay attention to it, it's like, oh, shit.

Yeah. What the hell? And it looks also when you first look at it, it's pretty trippy. I mean, the colors are really bright. There's a lot going on. There's a lot to look at. And so it does. Feels like hallucinogenic almost. Yeah, yes. It looks very like like trippy, like a Beatles album. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So one of them depicts war versus peace. And another one shows the contrast between environmental ruin versus environmental healing. Oh, I see what's happening because there's fires. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. So on top of all that, the murals are very timely. Yeah, still. Yeah. Unfortunately, On top of that, the murals often are looked at the wrong way because I guess the murals have two sides to them. So like, and I don't know if that was like a physical different side or like if it's just like literary

metaphorically, there's two sides to this. That's what I think is going on here. But yeah, there's two sides to it. And people, I think, just see the really creepy shit, and then they just forget that there might be like a meaning to that or like there's a piece to it. And many just see chaotic, creepy murals and then misinterpret it from there. Lord, this is I mean, it's free. It is freaky for sure. And due to renovations,

they have actually had to temporarily remove the murals and then that caused its own stir. Oh, I'm sure it did. Because theorists then believe that the murals were put away because we knew too much and we were on to them. And that they'll never figure it out. Yeah. And that the airport's new world order plan is now they have to cover it up quick and

hide it. But no, it's just temporarily in storage while they're doing renovations. But there are other murals that have similar tension behind them, I guess. That's according to conspiracy theorists. There's one mural that suggests that it's proving that flat earth is true. There's another one that says that COVID Earth is true. There's another one that says that COVID was planned by the deep state. Yeah. There's another one. There's an IUD, I think. Am I crazy? An IUD?

In this pink mural. Oh, I'm not looking at the mural right now. Oh, I mean, it's like really small. So I'm like, you probably wouldn't even see it, but I'm like zooming in on the flowers and one of them like very much looks like an IUD, but I don't know. Interesting. I could be just reading it an ID, but I don't know. Interesting. I could be just reading it. Well, I wouldn't be surprised. But like, I guess that's how people end up reading into stuff, so what do I know?

Well there's another art installment you'll be interested in that was an over 20 foot tall statue of Anubis, the Egyptian god of death. Oh gosh. Of course people read into that because like, oh now the god of death is here. Maybe that's a wild choice for an airport again, but all of this is a wild choice for an airport. They're making a wild choice. I don't think they get to go, why are people so freaked out? Yeah, bold choice, yes.

So far, I haven't talked about a normal thing. I'll tell you that. I know, that's very true. That's very true. But I will say, as for the two murals that I'm talking about right now, people have joked about the weirdness of the murals. They have also obviously gone as far as assuming doomsday conspiracy theories. But I just want to put this out there because I haven't seen anyone else talking about this, that the artist and his daughter who collaborated, I think, on some of the art,

they have both been constantly harassed for their work. Oh, geez. People have sent them death threats. People have said things like they wanted 9-11 to happen. Oh, my God. People have said their art is evil. They've lost commissions because people thought they were like up to some nefarious thing with their art. Meanwhile, despite all the weirdness of their art, yes, it is weird.

We got to give it. It's it's odd looking when you first look at it. And you're like, what the hell am I looking at? It's that word provocative, you know? Yes, striking. Yes, very striking. But at the end of the day, not just these two murals, but all pieces that Tenguma, Leo Tenguma has done, they were all about injustices in the world. So he has been making pieces like this since literal childhood.

In Texas, he made one about police brutality, which I think actually ruined his reputation in Texas and he made one about police brutality, which I think actually ruined his reputation in Texas and he had to leave. He also made pieces multiple times in protests for civil rights. So he's like on the right side of history and he just wants to do something that's going to shock you. So that way you talk about it, you know, it's like very obviously. I mean, to me, okay, I this is, to say it's just obvious is not really fair, but like I'm looking at the image of the Nazi soldier with the, and it's like very clear, he's the villain of this art piece, and he's stabbing a dove, like a symbol of peace, and it's like, I mean, obviously this is like a statement

on society, you know, society. Like, I don't know, I feel like, it's not like, oh wow, look, the Nazi has like a halo, and he's the king of the world, Like, I don't know. I feel like it's not like, oh, wow, look, the Nazi has like a halo and is the king of the world. Like, I don't know. And everyone's kissing his feet. Yes, exactly. I mean, I think with an inch, an ounce, a splash of critical thinking or media literacy

or anything of that, people can look at that and go, this is obviously meant to invoke something. Oh my God, Em, a splash of media literacy. You are saying all sorts of deeply smart things today. You're welcome. But so anyway, I think if you just think about what art is supposed to do, what's supposed to make you feel and be disturbed.

I mean, if the God of Death statue was there, that would be my main concern if I were getting on an airplane, not like, oh, Nazis are bad mural. I will say, this airport has to be a nightmare for people with anxiety and OCD. For real. Reading into anything. Because I'm just like, oh my God,

then you start thinking about it, and you're like, now am I creating it? Why is the last thing I saw a demonic horse and the statue of death, like a god of death? It feels like a bad sign. Well, just to finish out my like little spiel promoting their art, I also want to say that in the murals, there are a lot of children in those murals.

And the kids that he painted were not only his own family, they were young activists who died, and they were a bunch of kids who have passed away, and their parents asked him to memorialize them in a painting. Well, that's beautiful. And not only that, but he, I guess, they all came from different backgrounds,

and so he asked about their cultures, and he was able, and these murals alone, to represent 70 different countries in the murals based on what they're dressed in or whatever. So he made big efforts to be inclusive, which is also part of the art, right? As like human connection will prevent these bad things from happening.

Exactly. So I just wanted to give a shout out because a lot of people just immediately, especially the sources I was looking at, I was trying to look at everything from like, you know, normal sites to like YouTube, to TikTok, to whatever. And everyone just goes,

this is the craziest harbinger of doom. And it's like these people were just trying to say like there's injustice in the world, you know? Yeah, yeah. And there's this like massive building that's trying to promote, like make a statement, promote local art or promote artists. I mean, it's just like, it feels like a very easy.

To promote art of people who are like against police brutality and are fighting for human rights, and then now they're losing commissions because they're too controversial. And it's like, is that controversial to say, Nazis are not bringing peace? Yeah, exactly. So just wanted to give a shout out to them.

I see why people are like, yikes, there's a fucking Nazi on the wall of the airport. Yes, I do understand, I do. It's just like- It's one of those things where I wanna give both sides credit. It's like, yeah, it is freaky. I do it's just like it's one of those things where I want to give both sides credit Yeah, yeah, it is freaky. I would absolutely make a comment walking past and I'd go why the fuck is there a Nazi on this? I'd read I'd Google it immediately and be like, yes Imagining things. Yeah. Yes. And on top of that you think well, there's a Nazi in this mural the swastika and the area of you

like people can It's make the connections that they. Yeah. Yes, I appreciate that the airport and like their art program, they're trying to do different original things. But it also like gives so much fodder to like to add to the conspiracy theories, you know? So another one is that this is a wild one,

but I really like it just because it's like someone, I think just wanted to have an opinion just just shouted this one out and it's stuck. In the movie, the close encounters of the third kind, apparently aliens give humans a set of coordinates. Someone decided these are obviously the coordinates of the Denver airport. And shockingly close, they're an hour from which is interesting. You said someone decided they were the coordinates. I was like, what do you mean they decided it?

So they but they like looked it up and they just looked up. I was like, what do you mean they decided it? But they looked it up. They just looked up and I think they saw Colorado and they went, it's the Denver airport. Oh, I see. So they just decided it was close enough. It's also, some people think that these coordinates were given to the architects by aliens, so that way they could build the Denver airport, aka their own extraterrestrial hub. And so for that reason, people now think that aliens

are either stored or hidden or are controlling us or live. Something, something about aliens in the tunnels. So it's like they're either in charge or they're like prisoners, nobody knows. There's no in between. Maybe they store themselves, I don't fucking know. Maybe they're the ultra new baggage system that everyone's raving about.

Maybe they were shredding all the luggage. They were like, get out of my house. Oh my God, this is where I live and rule and work also. And store my stuff. And am in prison and stored. But so because of the potential alien thing, I mean, it's so easy to add aliens to an airfield. Oh yeah, totally.

Especially when it's like billions of funding by the FAA, you're like, well. Yeah, and it's allegedly a 75 mile golf cart ride to an Air Force base, you know. Golf cart ride, yeah. But so because of this, a lot of people think that, well, Roswell is Area 51. This is obviously Area 52. So people call this Area 52. Oh, okay.

I see. And it just justifies that aliens, sometimes people do the whole lizard people thing. Right, right. That they all must be in those tunnels, and that's why nobody is allowed down there. Okay. Now, this is where I also mention aliens in a different way, because throughout the design of the airport,

there's a lot of, um... quote, I'll say, weird, without knowledge, inscriptions or engravings throughout Oh, I see a lot of people have decided that these quote odd or just different to you Inscriptions are obviously alien language or secret society language It's like so medieval when you present it that way because it's like oh we saw something we don't understand. It's Extraterrestrial or Satan, you know back in the, because it's like, oh, we saw something we don't understand. It's extraterrestrial or it's Satan, you know, back in the day. Like, it's the devil.

But it's like... It's obviously demonic hieroglyphics. That's the way they would probably put it. Um, so some of these, I will butcher these, but some of the inscriptions are like, Besh dit gai,zit dit guy, Ninninay naysee, Sis nanjini. Sis nanjini. Like, it's like, it's things that obviously are not English.

And because Americans are scared of everything, the second it's not English, it must be satanic. Yeah, of course. And this is where I remind everybody, ha ha, actually not demonic, this is literally indigenous language. Oh, woof. Yeah. I mean, come on guys. So, and by the way, just to-

And that takes a quick Google, you know what I mean? That's what bothers me is like, it's like, okay, yeah, you can look at it and go, what could that possibly mean? But like, then look it up and be like, oh, that's interesting, I mean, I don't know. I mean, if I saw a word I didn't know, I would just go, what does that say?

What is that? Yeah, I wouldn't be like, that's fucking Satan. I mean, if I saw a word I didn't know, I would just go, what does that say? What is that? Yeah. I wouldn't be like, that's fucking. I think it's obvious. My first thought would be because I would assume we're in in the United States, so it would be English. I mean, my first thought, which is ignorant, but that would be my first thought. And I'd go, did they misspell something or do I not know what that word is? That would just be my first thought.

Apparently, this is a Navajo language, and they are different phrases that say things like white metal, which for I guess that language meant silver. The mountain that is white, a.k.a. White Mountain. Talo River, which is the Navajo name for part of the river near the airport. And then another one says a mountain sacred. Oh, I think it says like Mount Blanca, Mount Blanca, Blanca or Blanca peak. And it's a mountain sacred to the Navajo people. So but they they have meaning. They just people assume. Right.

You know, the wrong thing. Yeah. Yeah. And two words that are not Navajo, but also secret alien language are Broxma and Villa Real, which are the names of the artists. So those are like, not that like, they're not that weird. They're just not direct, like words you see all the time. Yeah. Wow. That's wow. Okay. Yeah. That's a stretch. People are pushing it. But because of that, people also say, Oh, well, the reason that this place is so cursed and full of mysteries, because this was built on indigenous land.

Of course they always paint it up. Another example is that on the floor, somewhere in the airport- Then everything's cursed by the way. It's like- I know, it's like- And by the way it is, so I don't know. At the end of the day, what the fuck have we done?

Well, so another example is on the floor, somewhere in the airport, there is an inscription that says AU and then AG. Okay, yeah, like gold and silver. Oh, so like. Thank you! That's exactly it. Oh I thought we were gonna talk about like alchemy or something and they were gonna be like oh it's the Illuminati alchemy. It's literally supposed to be fucking gold and silver, silver and gold for Colorado's mining history. Yeah. People however have taken this to mean

Auag is the Australian antigen. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I see what's happening Okay, and theorists say that these are hints that they have put throughout to let people know how The downfall of humanity will play out because the Illuminati and the deep state are gonna use the Australian antigen on people Thank you for letting us know, by the way. Like, what? I know. Like, isn't the point of biological warfare that I won't find out until it's too late?

Surprise. Yeah. You're not supposed to warn me decades in advance. Well, fun fact, the Australian antigen does exist. It's also an antigen. It's not... Oh, interesting. ...to start hurt you. Apparently, it helps diagnose and or treat hepatitis B. So I think we're fine. If the Australian antigen comes up. It doesn't seem as sinister as maybe it like sounds. Something

that heals and treats. Okay, great. Plus the inscription and a G I, I couldn't find evidence of this, but, um, on one, on one, uh, side I looked at it said that that inscription is actually part of a bigger piece and the piece actually, um, builds out this native American design, this indigenous design. So, um, they're going to go to Australia and bring back a fucking hepatitis B vaccine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, I guess. Okay, so the last thing I'm gonna talk about

is there is also this dedication plaque where in the airport there is a time capsule that was put in. Em loves a time capsule. Em or Em and Christine? Let's get it straight real quick. Okay, here's what I have to say. What do you fix it?

I have such an anxiety about time capsules because I'm like, I cannot wait to do this. Like, not that I can't wait, like I'm excited. Like, I just, like, I am unable. It's an inability of mine to wait for something, especially if you tell me it's like 20 years. Like, I love a time capsule when I'm like opening it. That's all. I don't like the rest of it. I I love a time capsule when I'm like opening it.

That's all. I don't like the rest of it. I fucking hate it actually. It makes me so stressed. I want to find a time capsule in the walls of something and open it now, yes. Oh, absolutely. That's like my dream.

I actually bought something a couple of weeks ago that's supposed to help me find stuff in the walls. And then I was like, I actually had to delete Amazon for my phone. Cause I was like, this is really unhealthy how much I'm just like buying shit on Amazon that is not like I'm funding the whole new world order by purchasing stuff from Amazon that's just going to help me find treasures in the wall. And then I don't like

find treasures in the wall. Anyway, I've had like a kind of in case no one can tell like a mental breakdown over the last two months, but I'm fine now. I think you know what, and that's all we can hope for. Okay. So anyway, as I was saying, no. As I was saying, I'm fine now, but I have a lot of anxiety. Okay, sorry. I love a time capsule at the end. I understand.

And unfortunately, you would have to wait a lot longer for this time capsule. See, I can't abide by this. This is unacceptable. It opens in 2094. See, like I'm actually having like an existential crisis now because like I'll be dead and it's like, oh, then I'll never know. And it just makes me so crazy. OK, but to assuage your anxiety, here's what's inside.

Oh, thank God. OK. Actually, this does really deeply assuage my anxiety. Thank you. As far as we know, these are the things inside. I don't I hate I hate when they end with and other items. Fuck you. That's not fair. Finish your list because you know that are the things inside. I don't, I hate, I hate when they end with, and other items. Fuck you. Fucking finish your list. Cause you know that like the other items in there, something would be so much more interesting to us

than whatever they listed. Yes. Like shut up. Other items? Let me decide what's interesting. Tell me or don't. Which is it? Yeah, which is it?

Give me half the list. Exactly. So inside is a Colorado flag. Okay. There is airport opening day newspapers. Well, that's a credit card, which these days actually is really a time capsule piece because no one really uses them anymore. Now that you've got your tap to pay.

It's like, why did you think that this would not give me anxiety? And now you're like, Hey, credit cards are obsolete. I'm like, wait, are they? I don't even know how to use Apple Pay. Help. So where the next thing, coins. That is the bane of my existence, yeah. There's also a baseball from Coors Field.

There are Black Hawk casino tokens. And then there's the Denver Mayor Wellington Web's sneakers from his sneaker political campaign, where he walked door to door while campaigning and those sneakers are in the time capsule. That feels like out of a book. That feels like a Michael Scott move. Here's my sneaker campaign.

I'm just going to walk door to door. And then I'm going to like time capsule these for myself for 90 years down the road. Yeah. Well above the time capsule is a dedication plaque and on the plaque is a symbol from the Freemasons. So here we fucking go. Uh oh. On top of, not on top of the symbol, but additionally, there is the symbol on the plaque

and additionally there is a line on the plaque that says, buy the new world airport commission. Oh. Okay, new world order, it sounds like. I mean, it sounds weird. It was a weird choice, but so it says, this is donated by the Freemasons or whatever and by the New World Airport Commission. Okay, that is pretty weird Yeah, the actual Freemasons did donate this or pay for it or the Freemasons. It's confirmed that the Freemasons donated the plaque

Oh boy, okay And then on the plaque it says by the New World Airport Commission, which is a group that doesn't exist. Quote, quote, quote. Yeah, that's weird. So even though it doesn't exist, I will say that it existed for a moment. So a lot of people have conflated the two things with the same plaque, with a time capsule in a creepy airport. Freemasons New World Order. Boom, that's easy.

I could see why people would get there. But the Freemasons knew were ordered. Boom, that's easy. I could see why people would get there. But the Freemasons are a legit charity organization that probably helped fund things to get the airport kicked off. And the Freemasons have two grand lodges in Colorado. So they are popular there. And you know they love a time capsule, come on. You know they love a time capsule. And it is confirmed that they donated the plaque.

They probably invented the fucking existence of a time capsule. That makes me mad, because I really, really am hoping that when time travel finds me, I will go back in time far enough to create the first time capsule. I really don't want the frame basis to be the ones. Well, so it hasn't happened yet, obviously, because we haven't talked about how,

someday we'll do this episode and we'll be like, well, and I'm obviously inventor of the time capsule. Yeah, that's the hope. Maybe I should just say it now and then it'll just get out of the way, you know, for when you do get that. Now it's the thing, like, did it happen in the past or the future and did I create it then or now?

This is why I fucking hate time capsules, is what I'm telling you. Man, like, my last dying wish is to be a time traveler. It's not that hard. Like, let's get it together. Please, God. So, Freemasons confirmed. As for the New World Airport Commission,

it did exist temporarily because it was the name of the organization that helped with opening events for the airport. Oh. So it was a thing. OK. It was a thing, and it was established by small local businesses in the area that

helped launch the airport or did promotions for the airport, or they were in charge of coming up with the event, like a time capsule event. They were just doing things to help. And so- They were doing Stacey's future job. Yes, you got it. And it was, and so they called themselves

the New World Airport Commission, which does sound still very shady. Yeah, it does. The reason why it's named that is because the founder of this temporary group was in a symphony. He was in the Colorado Spring Symphony and he named the organization after his favorite song, which happened to be called New World Symphony. And that's a song. We did confirm that's a song.

It is a song. Okay. It was once a song. It's no longer a song. It's not often played on the radio. Yeah, I know. I've never heard of it. That's weird. Yeah. But so, yeah, he was like, well, I'm a conductor in the symphony. Here's my favorite song, New World Symphony. We're going to call it the New World Airport Commission. And it also I mean, why don't you know the New World Symphony?

Well, no, that doesn't make sense. Never mind. The song was already created elsewhere. Yeah, I get it. I get it. Unless the New World Order is that old, they created a symphony after them. It was new so long ago. Now we're really getting off track for sure. So not only was it because the founder of this temporary group like that song, but it was actually a good fit for an international airport,

a new world airport. aka New World Airport. Yeah. International world. And a lot of people said it was also fitting because as an international airport, it now offered access to the world. So it was new world. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of plays on the word world. And it's new and improved and has fucking baggage shredders. It's like a hot new item.

And well, yeah, you're right, because before it was there was an old airport here and now there's a new international airport, the new world airport. So that even though there's a lot of good reasons, obviously, theories have still developed about the airport's true purpose and the name being a hint to that. And here's a weird one that's also like ableist. Some have thought that the plaque and the braille next to the plaque,

so people with like vision needs can read the fucking plaque. They think that it's a keypad to the time capsule and the tunnels. Oh my Lord. Which like blind people weigh in. Like is that, have you typed around on that thing and let me know I like are you in the back rooms right now? Because your fingerprint access the I mean, I have such a headache

It's like killing me. I mean if I were a conspiracy theorist, I love a secret keypad But the second you make it Braille doesn't how do you not feel a little fucking icky about that? Right? God, okay. So anyway, there's that fun fact. Now we're going to talk about Stacey and then I swear to God, I'm done. I know I'm talking forever. I'm sorry that I'm holding my head like I'm clutching my brain in agony. No, I just feel that this is so long. But okay, so now we got Stacey.

She is our grand finale. We love Stacey. Yeah, we do. Stacey, her name, she has two different last names in different sources. So I think she changed her name at some point. She's like, come in San Diego. That's exactly right.

So we're just gonna call her Stace. And she is in charge of the Denver Airport's marketing. She loves the Lord. To this day still? I think so, yeah. I thought you said she loves the Lord, and I was like, Em, you really put me in a corner here. Thank you for making me say I love Stacey three times, and then going

Stacey, the one thing you need to know about her is she loves the Lord. No, she loves the lore, which is exactly how I, you know, I'm just going to start kind of slurring my words around Christians and that's what I'll say. I love the lore. I'm very familiar with the lore. Thank you. I throw my hands up for the lore. I love the lore. I'm very familiar with the lore. Thank you. I throw my hands up for the lore. I love the lore. That hurts me. And so anyway, she loves the lore and really leans into these campaigns. Like I have you ever met someone who was just so met for their own fucking job? Because that's Daisy.

It's not. OK, she's responsible, like I said, for Greg the gargoyle. Yeah, love that. Love her. Huge, huge. Immediately promotion, immediately. Yeah, immediate. She also teamed up with Roswell's Airport and they are now officially Supernatural Sister

Airports. Don't even start. That's fucking hilarious. And they both posted like announcements that they were Sister Airports. It's like thinking outside the box. Quote, with plans of extraterrestrial combat. Just like, just in case. Oh my gosh.

Wow. This is the, wow, they really do lean into it. Another idea that did not pan out for Stacy because it was too expensive, is that for the airport's 20th anniversary, she wanted to put crop circles all over the property so people could see them from the sky. Okay, that's fucking genius.

Stacy needs to- We just need a volunteer team of tractor riders. Yes. See, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Call tractor Bob. Farmer Bob. Call farmer Bob. We'll all get together. And so in 2018, there were new renovations and she decided she was going to do this PR campaign and put posters all over the airport because during these renovations,

it was going to be difficult to navigate a lot of the airport. There was just heavy construction around. So you know how they put up those false walls? Oh, yes, yes. She was like, we're going to put posters on all those walls just to give people a chuckle. And all these posters are going to be like the nefarious creatures people think we store here. Oh. And they're going to be talking about the rumors of the airport. So, for example, one of the posters had Blue Sufer on it

with like lasers coming out of his red eyes. And the ad said, are we creating the world's greatest airport or preparing for the end of the world? And then another one had lizard people in construction gear because it was on a false wall for construction. And the lizard people said, apologies for the noise. It takes really big drills to get to the underworld. Oh my Lord. Oh my Lord. There was another one with a gargoyle, maybe gargoyle Greg in a TSA scanner. And he's asking, streamlined security or more secrets.

And then there was another one, literally, this isn't even a character, we just went with the conspiracy thing here. One of the posters had a cat and a tin foil hat. Oh, that's cute. And one of them said, forgive the mess building secret underground tunnels can get quite untidy. Bless this mess. It's just the underworld. Don't worry about it.

And then there was a hashtag in all these posters that said... Oh, those were huge in 2018. Oh yeah, said den files, D-E-N files instead of X files. How den files, that's cute. And then apparently some people, this is according to Stacey, some people got really upset about it and thought that they were making fun, not only making fun of the conspiracy theorists, but hiding in plain sight because now they're getting away with it. And I love that a thumbs up emoji just came up on your screen because you disagree with that so much. Or it's like, we're getting away with it. Yay.

We've done it. Let's put another swastika on the building and then no one will know that it was us the whole time. You get it. Apple even was like, I'm not doing that. Apple was like, hey, we actually have like a fail safe where you say that and like, we shut off all the graphics. Honestly, round of applause to Apple.

Thank you. Round of applause. Good job, Apple. Wow. So some people got very upset because they thought like they were getting mocked for their like original conspiracy theories. And-

Wait, really? Okay. And then employees- Don't make fun of lizard people. I know, please. They're people too. Employees even made like jokes because I guess there was like a Weston Hotel

being built next to the airport. And employees got together with Stacey and they made alien shaped skulls to bury in the construction zone in case they ever dig it up and they find aliens. Wait, like they hid them there? They hid them there. That's hysterical.

I will say, I have to find the picture and send it to you, is that the Denver airport, they opened recently a Voodoo Donuts, which if you are- Deos variant to that. If you're a fan of Voodoo Donuts like I am, that's a big deal. And by the way, I will tell you with comfort with full full confidence It is concourse B where the voodoo donuts is because I have been there Well, why didn't you say that before the apples? I don't care about the apples. They're across the way from each other It's in the food court. Oh my god, so now we've got a rivalry going

We love both. I guess I love I've got both last time I was there But when it opened and I don't know if it's still there, but when it opened just to lean into the weirdness, they had this large blue alien statue outside of the shop, which I have a picture of. I remember thinking, what's this little alien doing here? So you've already started the lore that we're creating about this donut and chocolate shop. Exactly. And Stacey has also hosted events now called Conspiracy Month,

where every week there's a new conspiracy themed event at the airport. One of them was the Conspiracy Theories Uncovered art exhibit. Then there was the offered art installation tours of all the murals that had conspiracy ties to it. Then they had a conspiracy costume party.. Then they had a conspiracy costume party, and then they had a costume, or sorry, they had a contest where the winner was gonna get a behind-the-scenes tour of the underground tunnels.

What? I fucking love Stacey. They've never seen that guy again. And he went away forever, yes. He just disappeared. It has nothing to do with the airport, but... Oh, and that is the Denver airport, Christine. That was really good, and it's not your fault it was long. It took us 40 minutes to even start the episode. So

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You know what I'm saying? All right, this is a story of Robert Bob Samuels and the Green Widow. And I wish it were a fun comic book, but it's not. Oh, I was gonna say, ooh, but I guess not. Like Green Widow, like the Black Widow who kills her husbands. Maybe. A green.

What makes her green? I wonder, is she vegetarian? She- Nope. A vegan girl? Hmm, we'll find out. She loves the dollar bills. Ooh, okay, so, okay. I mean, what vengeful wife

who is doing it for the life insurance doesn't love the bills? So I feel like, you know, it's like. You know, the green widow actually sounds more honest than the black widow. Yeah, you know what? It's probably a truer statement. That's right. Anyway, so on that note, here we go.

By the way, there's a photo that goes along with the green widow term, but you'll get that later. Excellent. So let's tell the story. Bob Samuels was born in 1948. He grew up in California's San Fernando Valley and friends say he was a kind and gentle soul. He was very shy, very introverted.

And guess what? He had a crush on the girl next door. Her name was Mary Ellen Gernick and she lived down the street and she was a little bit older than him so he was super intimidated by her and she was like really pretty and popular and he had just the biggest crush on her but unlike Bob Mary Ellen was very outgoing she liked to spend her time out and about she went to dances she like boys always kind of gravitated toward her,

so he was like, I'm not even... I don't stand a chance. I'm not in her wheelhouse. Exactly. So her friends even described her that way, like, ah, she always got all the boys when we went out and stuff like that. And so he kind of had a crush on her for years,

but never really asked her out. Instead, he hung out with his own friends, one of whom was called Judy McCoy, and she and Bob met when she was 11 and he had befriended her older brother. And over time the family just took Bob in almost as their own. He basically considered this family the McCoys like a second family of his. And Judy herself also thought of Bob as just a genuinely kind, sincere person. When they grew up, they said he was always happy

to help neighbors. He was just always, you know, if somebody needed like financial help, he would loan money. He was just like that guy that people just felt safe around. And he actually became a camera operator for Hollywood Studios, fun fact. Fun. I know, and he worked on 1980s hits and he got became a camera operator for Hollywood Studios, fun fact. Fun. I know, and he worked on 1980s hits

and he got pretty successful. Like he did quite a few big productions. He did the whole Lethal Weapon franchise and some other big names and it's so funny. Let me pull up. I've been meaning to pull this up like all day and I keep forgetting. So I just watched Brittany Vaughn,

who is a YouTuber that I'm only now discovering, but she covered this story. She's like clearly younger than us. And she was like saying all these 80s movies and then she's like, I just said those because they sounded like what you would want to hear on the list. And I was like, girl, that, because I was also like,

I feel like I, and it's not because I'm young, it's because I just never watched the classic movies. She could have said it in a way that hurts my feelings less, but it's fine. It was very funny. I was like, wow, wow. It's like, you're right, my dad did love that movie. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Tell it like it is. So, you know, he had a reputation as just being very respectful, kind, generous, and just a hard worker in general. And in 1979, he goes to his high school reunion. And who does he see but a little Mary Ellen. And guess what? She's divorced.

Hello. Also like now he gets to do his whole little Hollywood spiel of like, am I in your real house now, girl? Hey. 100%. That's like the dream we all have, right? Like going back and being like, oh, who me? Yeah. If you had to, let's say you're, you're not with Blaze, you're divorced. You're going to like a singles mingle kind of thing. What's your one little flex you're gonna try to throw out

and see if that gains interest? Oh my God, uh oh. Did they both just start barking at the same time? They must hear each other, right? With their dog ears? Wait, I never thought about this, that we could create the world's worst echo chamber like podcast dogs.

Like it would just never stop, right? No, now that. What do other people do? I don't know. Do people not have dogs? I'm now spiraling. What the fuck? Are you high?

Did you just take a bait? No, honestly, I fucking wish, but no. I took an aspirin. Maybe I'm having an allergic reaction. Okay, blah, blah, blah. Sorry. So he goes to a high school reunion, right? Oh, sorry.

Wait, you're flex. You got to tell me you're one flex sister. Oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry. So this is to like pitch myself? Yeah. Like if someone like if you're actually trying to woo someone and they're like, what's an interesting fact about you? And if you give me an interesting enough one, I'll give you a little kissy. Oh, my God. Oh, gosh, the pressure. OK.

To be fair, I don't know what my answer is. I'm totally putting you on the spot. No, that's OK. Well, that's more fun because then we can both be on the spot. I think like the time that Alexis dropped Chris Jenner's omelet, and I had to like go explain it to her and ask for the new order of it.

The new order? Oh my God, Christine. Oh, it's all makes sense. It's happening. Da da da da da da da da da da. The den files now on HBO. The Linda, Linda's feather. Okay, sorry, I can't stop myself.

I think there was something in that aspirin. It was actually, what is it, that Australian antigen or whatever? Oh my God, it was A-U-A-G. Stupid, okay, anyway, I think I would say like, oh, the time I had to like fix Kris Jenner a new omelet because Alexis dropped hers and she was just so kind about it.

And I was like, that was just one of those moments where you're like, wow, I didn't expect that you would be like the nicest celebrity I ever interacted with of all people. I'm sure I said a lot of it is just, she's a smart marketing person, but- But it worked. It worked, and I don't know, that was know. I mean, we're here now telling the masses

that Kris Jenner's nice. That's right, exactly. She was very kind to two PAs who really fucked up. So I don't know, what would yours be though? Because I'm sure I'll come up with a better one later, like a more interesting one. In moments like this, because I have a hard time saying nice things about myself.

I do, I know that's hard to believe, but... Wow. But when I... I have no problem talking about myself, but then if it comes like actually like what's something you're proud of, I always black out. Like step up and say it out loud. No, yeah. I mean, my thing was that I fucked something up. It wasn't a good thing about me. It was that Kris Jenner was nice, not that anything good happened because of me. I learned from a while ago from a friend that if you can't come up with a way

to like be proud of yourself, the way you should start a sentence is, my friends would want me to tell you. Oh, that's clever. That's really clever. So my friends would want me to tell someone probably about the stranger things, Eggo waffle packs. That's good. I would tell them about the carrot thing Things, Eggo waffle packs that I made.

That's good, I would tell them about the carrot thing. So it depends on the audience. What is the carrot thing? The carrot Cheetos. Oh, see, yeah, okay, so props in general. Yeah, props. Props. The other thing I was gonna say,

oh, if I started it with my friends and want you to know, it would be not good, because it would be like, oh, she found Patrick Stem's home phone number one time But he was on tour so it forwarded to his aunt and then she like hung up because she was too scared And then the phone had been blocked so I feel like no matter what I start the sentence with it's like something bad that happened Like as your friend if you need a filler just say my friend Who confirmed that I want you to know that I'm a fucking psycho.

OK, Em sent me a TikTok the other day of a girl like laying in her ex's yard with a blanket on pretending to be snow. And then she would like throw a snowball at his window and hide. And he would come to the window. And she like propped up a fucking phone to film it. And I was like, I know you would do this. And I didn't watch it for like a day. Cause I was like, I'm gonna be like, fuck you.

But it is very accurate. But like I said, I wouldn't do it to my ex. I would do it to someone like so random and insignificant, like a teacher. Like somebody like really inappropriate, but like just. Like your postman. Yeah, right. Cause I'm like fixated for some reason

that's not like even romance. It's just like unhinged behavior. Anyway, do you see? Okay, I'm so sorry I yeah sorry he's so he's about to do the whole my friends would want me to tell you to Work with a little Mary Ellen or whatever. Yeah, the lethal friend the lethal weapon franchise And that probably really got her, because within six months, they were married. Damn, he knew exactly what to say. Yeah, so he was not shy anymore.

They got married, they moved into a house in an LA suburb, and he was just like totally smitten. I mean, it was like, oh, my lifelong love. My crush is now back in my life. It's just this huge love story. And so- Which is so lovely, by the way, because if I now back in my life. It's just this huge love story. And so, Mary... Which is so lovely, by the way, because if I had to marry my high school sweetheart

or the person I was crushing on, I would not have that same reaction. Imagine. I was even today thinking like, oh, thank God I didn't... That didn't work out, you know? Yeah, if I went to a school reunion and I saw the person I was in love with, I would...

We would maybe... Do you know what you would say? You'd say, oh, guess what? One time I got Patrick Stem's phone number and you'd like lie and make yourself sound like a psycho. You're like, I know what drives people away. The things Christine does. Exactly.

Sorry, carry on. I keep interrupting you. No, no. So anyway, so he tells her like all the right things, makes his move and he's just smitten with her. They move into a house in an LA suburb. Now, Mary Ellen, like I said, is divorced, and she actually has a daughter named Nicole,

and he was thrilled to have a stepdaughter now. He actually ended up legally adopting her and became her father, and it just was his greatest joy. He loved being a dad, and Bob's professional and personal life were both going swimmingly for a few years. But then he and Mary Ellen started to clash over finances because remember, she liked the money.

Miss Greenie. Miss Greenie. And so people close to them said Mary Ellen wanted this lavish lifestyle that he could not afford. I mean, he's successful, but he's not like, you know, running the Lethal Weapon franchise money. You know what I mean? He's just. A successful dude, average successful dude, and she loved spending money.

It was like her favorite last time. I mean, relatable in there. Yeah. I remember that time I bought something to look in the walls of my house for no reason, and then had to like have a talk to talk to Jesus. What does it come to Jesus moment with myself? I truly don't. I like had to I actively have to tell myself to Jesus moment with myself? I truly don't, I like had to, I actively have to tell myself to not go on Etsy.com.

It's bad. Because it's something will get purchased. I have to delete all these apps, it's terrible. Anyway, so now with this Apple Pay that you were telling me all about, it's like, oh geez. All I need is my face to pay. It's just like, oh no, yeah, that's really dangerous stuff. Okay, so Bob was like, let me give her a new hobby.

How about I will buy a Subway sandwich franchise. And so he buys a Subway sandwich franchise and he's like, here you go. And like kind of lets her run it as like, here you can do this now as a hobby or something. I don't know. Great hobby. Yeah, I guess.

And so she like took it over and wanted to like run it and make some money for herself, you know, and like, so that was kind of the idea. And so she managed the place and they did obviously have some extra income from this. And so that bolstered their finances a bit. But six years into their marriage, Bob got home to what this YouTuber I was talking about,

or somebody, oh no, no, no, it was not the YouTuber. She's too young for a reference like this. A Dear John letter on the counter. Basically, Mary Ellen told Bob, I'm outta here, goodbye forever. And he was totally devastated. Oh my God. Can you imagine having the girl of your dreams

in high school thinking you can never get her, then you finally do do and then she goes I don't like oh and you adopt her daughter and you try to make it work and and it was it was devastating And so he literally tried everything, you know, he was determined to make it work. He agreed to a trial separation Mary Ellen moved into a nearby condo with Nicole. They moved out and Bob paid for the condo He paid for their living expenses like he just wanted her back so badly. And she just kept managing the sandwich shop. And they reportedly remained on friendly terms

to co-parent Nicole, but two years later, this would be two years into their separation, 1988, Mary Ellen and Nicole stop by Bob's house to drop off the dog before a trip that they're taking. And they stopped by the house to drop the dog off. And when they got there, Bob didn't answer the door. So they bang on it for a while. And then eventually they let themselves in.

And Bob was laying on the floor dead at only 40 years old. Oof. And at this point, Nicole is 18. She is... One of them calls 911, obviously, and Mary Ellen and 18-year-old Nicole are both just, like, seemingly in total shock by this. They tell detectives, like, they don't think Bob has any enemies.

They can't imagine who would want to hurt him. And Mary Ellen immediately agrees to a polygraph test and passes it. Her financial disagreements, she kept saying that wasn't even extreme for what, people were saying maybe it was the finances, but it just didn't seem extreme enough, there wasn't enough evidence. And so they quickly ruled her and Nicole out as suspects

and kind of didn't have many leads. So they started looking into basically every corner of Bob's life. They spoke to friends, family, coworkers. The cast of Lethal Weapon. The cast of... Oh, man. You know they had some stories to tell. They questioned all of the employees at the subway

sandwich shop, hoping for a tip. They spoke to people in film who worked with him. And it turned out that the IRS had actually charged some of Bob's industry colleagues for crimes involving tax evasion, and Bob had agreed to testify against them at trial on behalf of the IRS. And so a lot of people were pretty pissed at him. But at the same time, when they talked to those folks,

they were like, well, yeah, we're pissed at him because he's kind of a jerk for doing that, but not like pissed enough to kill the guy, you know? Right, right. And so the detectives were like, well, you know, it could be. This is clearly a personal, like, thing. Maybe it was. Maybe it was.

Well, maybe it was somebody who was just pissed off that he was going to testify against him. Maybe they got out of hand. And the murder itself was very personal. He had been home alone, walking through the house in his underwear, of all things, which is like... I mean, talk about... It's like getting caught with your pants down,

you know that saying? It's like... Yeah. I mean, Jesus Christ. Like, actually. Like, actually. He's, like, walking around in his underwear, and somebody just attacked him by basically hitting him over the head

with a tubular, like a metal tubular object and they said most likely the barrel of a shotgun. Oh, okay. Hitting someone with a gun is not the way I think would do you and if a gun was part of the weapon. And then putting a pillow over his face and shooting him multiple times through the pillow. Oh.

Yeah. So it was basically to debilitate him, you know. Sure, got it. and then finish the job and I mean at first things were like a bit in disarray So they thought maybe this is a burglary But there was a like one of the drawers was just there with six thousand dollars of cash in it and nobody had touched it and it's like

It doesn't feel like a robbery, because they would have found that most likely, looking through drawers and stuff. And so just a little odd, there was also a glass sliding door that was six inches a jar where the killer probably entered. And after they knocked him to the ground, they used the pillow as sort of a makeshift silencer,

shot him at close range. And there was no forensic evidence they could find. The only identifiable fingerprints belonged to people whose fingerprints were expected to be there. Bob, Mary Ellen, Nicole. Other fingerprints, some of them were partial and unusable and they were like, we don't even know

if this was just a house guest or the killer. So the detectives only hope was to try and like make a connection in Bob's life that would reveal some sort of motive. And and by the way, how old is Nicole in this? She's 18. And she just walked in on this with her dad like that. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Yeah. So the tax situation, they were like the police, the detectives were like, okay, this seems like a break, like a good break in the case, but in the end, it just kind of was

a run around, like a red herring. One of them had even left the country and like wasn't even in the picture when Bob vanished, or I'm sorry, when Bob was killed, like they weren't even around. Then Bob's friends reported another lead, Bob was actually dating a woman who was married. Oh, that'll do it. Yep. Turns out Bob and Mary Ellen had recently like officially decided to call their relationship off

amidst their separation. And they had become pretty estranged over the past two years and Bob was pretty lonely. And his childhood friend, Judy, that I had mentioned earlier whose family like had become a second family to him, she introduced him to a friend who was in a similar situation and was also separated from her estranged husband. So it was sort of like,

oh, you should meet my other divorcee friend, you know? And yeah, and so they started dating and they just, you know, they needed companionship and they got along really well. And so the two of them started dating. But she was not on good terms with her husband who was reportedly pretty controlling and abusive. And Judy, his friend said that this friend that she introduced him to used to have to ask her husband

for permission to like meet up with Judy for coffee. Like just very hugely red flag abusive behavior. And so basically breaking free of her husband and then dating and sleeping with Bob and going to his house looked like a pretty strong motive for like an abuser who's controlling, you know? Totally. And so investigators start looking into his background

and discover he's a former police officer with domestic violence complaints who owns at least one gun. And they're like, well, this seems like a good direction. Not looking good. Yeah, not looking good for him anyway. He worked as a security guard at a nightclub, and investigators went and spoke to his boss.

And basically, based on Bob's estimated time of death, the suspect was definitely at work while Bob was killed. So there's just no way that this could have been him. That was another dead end, and they really didn't have much to go on. They were kind of at a loss, and months just passed. I think it was like five months past, and the case started to cool.

Mary Ellen and Nicole tried to get back to their normal lives. They moved back into Bob's house, which is where they had lived before this condo. And Mary Ellen put the sandwich shop up for sale and got the life insurance money as a payout to support her and Nicole. Now Bob's case might've been doomed to a filing cabinet, but a call came into the homicide division

from a man who said, I know everything. Oh! Dun dun Oh, my God. He says, in fact, I know the person who killed him. Can I guess? Can I guess? Yeah. Yeah. Well, like, who the guy is, who the deep throat fellow is.

That's what they call him. Is he from Subway? Is he from Subway? Where she worked and she had the franchise? He is he from Subway? Is he from Subway? Where she worked and she had the franchise? He is not from Subway. I thought maybe he had overheard her at work or something. It's a good guess though. It is a very good guess,

but they did interview all the employees and stuff there and nobody had any motive, so that was kind of a dead end. But basically this guy calls and says, I know who killed him. And they say, okay, can you let me know? And he said, you gotta find this guy named Jim Bernstein. So they look into this guy, Jim Bernstein. Background research found that Jim had been charged

on several drug-related offenses. He was out of prison, so that was like a sign that this could be the right guy. And he had been dating a certain Nicole, who just so happened to be the daughter of a certain murder victim. So what a weird connection. And it turns out this was one of Nicole's, a guy she had been seeing, Jim Bernstein, with quite a rap sheet. And so when detectives went to Mary Ellen and Nicole's house, they didn't tell Nicole that Jim was a suspect.

They were like, oh, just do you know this guy? Like, have you heard of him? And she's like, oh, we just like casually friends, you know. So they bring Jim and Mary Ellen in for questioning together, trying to get a picture of the connection between Jim and the family, the Samuels family, and a confession out of Jim. But Mary Ellen like didn't really say much.

Jim was adamant he had nothing to do with this whole situation. And again, this was a tip, but it was an anonymous tip, and it was just hearsay at the end of the day. Like they couldn't really do anything. So they had to let Jim go. Mary Ellen went home. Did they fingerprint him or anything?

Suddenly. Well, he'd already been in prison. So there's... Oh, oh, oh, okay. Then Jim disappeared. Oh, he was a flight rescuer, you say? Hmm, isn't that weird? So investigators... Intervesante. Investigators spoke to his boss.

He said Jim hadn't been at work in days. His boss also said that Jim used to talk about Bob, the murder victim, at work. Uh-oh, Jimmy. Jimmy. Jim apparently despised Bob, and this was like an open secret to basically everybody. Like, he couldn't stop talking about it. He apparently hated Bob so much

because he had heard that Bob abused his girlfriend, Nicole, had sexually abused his girlfriend, Nicole, throughout her childhood. Oh, shit. And so he had this, like, vendetta against Bob. And Jim's boss said that Jim believed Bob deserved to be punished for what he had done to Nicole. But after supposedly killing Bob,

Jim had lost his resolve. He was scared and remorseful. And the last time Jim and his boss spoke, Jim said he was going to go to the police and tell them everything. Ugh. Jimothy. So if Jim had killed Bob in an attempt to protect

and avenge a woman he cared about, it did line up with like how personal the attack was. Yeah. And there were no police reports backing up this story of sexual abuse. And it wasn't mentioned in the divorce filings, which seemed odd. And it wasn't mentioned in any of the interrogations

with Mary Ellen, not interrogations, but conversations. Yeah, with Nicole and Mary Ellen, nobody said anything. But of course, like sexual abuse often goes unreported, like not that surprising of a thing. So they, you know, wanted to ask Nicole directly, but hmm, that's too bad. She's in Cancun with her mom and that's convenient.

What do they do? How do you vacation after this? They're just on a vacation in Cancun and the weirdest thing happens, which is that suddenly during this trip and after Jim's disappearance, when he said to his boss, I'm gonna tell the police everything, Jim winds up dead. Ooh.

So it's June of 1989. Someone discovers his remains on a trail and he had been exposed to the elements and only identifiable by his fingerprints. So they did take his fingerprints at some point and now they knew that he had been strangled to death on this trail and been left there. Shit.

So he had not been a... well, he was probably a flight risk, but he had not fled. He had actually been killed. Gotcha. And so Jim's brother, who was like really worried about his brother all the time because he knew he was working in these shady businesses, was always so afraid that he would be killed. And now that this had actually happened, his worst nightmare, he basically said,

go talk to Dave. That's Jim's, like, buddy. If you want to know what happened to Jim, you got to go talk to Dave. Turns out, Dave was the anonymous caller, the tipster. Interesting. So wait, so hang on now. I know, it's so complicated. So Dave reported his brother for potential murder?

No, sorry. Jim's brother said, go talk to Dave. That's who you want to talk to. Jim and Dave were BFFs. Jim's brother, sorry, Jim's killed and then his brother is like, his closest buddy is this guy, Dave, go talk to Dave. Oh, oh, okay, sorry, I'm piecing it together, okay, sorry.

No, no. I combined two people. It's very confusing. And so then the police went to Dave and turns out Dave was like, yeah, I'm the one who called you about Jim. Yes, okay, I combined the brother and the friend. So the friend Dave was like, yeah, I'm the one who called you about Jim. Yes. OK, I combined the brother and the friend. So the friend was turning his... The friend Dave was turning his friend Jim in.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. He said, yep, I'm the caller, the anonymous caller who reported Jim in the first place. And so according to him, Jim did not murder Bob for vigilante justice. He said Jim was hired to kill Bob by Mary Ellen. So he was a hit man. He said that Mary Ellen had actually hired Jim

because she wanted ownership of the sandwich shop and Bob's $500,000 life insurance policy. So when Mary Ellen and Nicole returned from Mexico and are like, what's going on guys? And they're like, hmm, things are getting a little fishy around here. They both clam up and refuse to speak to police. So they-

And, sorry, I keep interrupting you for clarification. So are we now at an understanding that Jim was never dating Nicole? And the whole story about Nicole was a cover-up for Jim so he didn't have to say he was a hitman. Jim and Nicole were dating. They were dating, he also happened to be a hitman. Correct.

Okay, got it. Correct. And so they arrested Mary Ellen and because they believed this story that she had hired him and had known him like through Nicole as her boyfriend basically as Nicole's boyfriend. So most of the evidence against her was witness testimony and they didn't really have much physical evidence so this was going to be kind of like an uphill battle. So Jim had made phone calls to Mary Ellen's house the night Bob was killed but that

could have been like oh he was in a relationship with Nicole. Maybe he just called to talk to her. So all the evidence they had was like a little bit flimsy. Mary Ellen also made multiple payments to Jim from the Sandwich Shop account, but she claimed he had been working there part-time. So you sort of were onto it. Oh, look at me go.

Except to he, I don't think he ever actually did work there. She just said, oh, he would just take up a shift every now and then. That's why I was paying him out of the subway account. Gotcha. And it's also plausible, like, oh, he's dating my daughter. Like they could write this off. Like, her attorneys could- There's a lot of ways

he could weave in and out. Yeah, spin this. Yeah, exactly. And so detectives also discovered a $6,000 payment to a woman named Ann Hambly. And this is Mary Ellen's friend who also appeared in Jim's phone call records the days before he was killed, which is also very odd. Hmm.

Ann met with the police at her lawyer's office, which I love. Of course. She was like, before anything happens. She's like, you come to me. Yeah. And she secured complete immunity, which, wow. She's just like, I'm not- Oh, Ann Hambly, damn. I know. She's like, I come to me. And she secured complete immunity, which, wow, she's just like, I'm not.

And handling, damn. She's like, I'm not fucking around here. She secured complete immunity in exchange for her testimony on Boggs and Jim's death. So she absolutely turned on her friend immediately. I like how this whole story is just don't trust your fucking friends because they are going to turn you in.

I mean, honestly, you say a word and things are going to go south. You just can't say a thing. You're going to get screwed. I mean, honestly, you say a word and things are gonna go south. You just can't say a thing. You're gonna get screwed. If you ever do anything shady and I end up getting an appointment at a lawyer's office, look out, girl.

Yeah, I'm in trouble. I know that already. So Anne was in debt to Mary Ellen, but Mary Ellen said she would forgive her debt, like her financial debt to her, if you could help me find someone to kill Jim Bernstein, basically is what she told Anne. As close as we are,

I'd still be nervous to say that sentence to you. I would still not trust a single person to say that out loud and be like, just kidding. There are inside thoughts. There are inside thoughts, that's exactly right. No matter how close you are to somebody, there's always at least one inside thought. And we're podcasters, okay,

so we don't really know much about inside thoughts But like that come on our life is a yap-a-thon But there are still some things that you just don't fucking say I know right and that is exactly right because she is like Well, am I gonna be safe? They're like, yeah, she's like fine. I'll spill everything So basically she called me and wanted me to find someone to kill The hitman who murdered her husband. And it's like, wow, OK. And what were Anne Hambly's credentials to do that, by the way?

How was she supposed to find a murderer? And I'll tell you, literally, she started seeking out potential hitman hitman wherever she could. She would go out with her friends and be like, does anyone know a hitman? Anne Hambly, for a second, I thought she really had strategy as a- She's so savvy, but not, you know? It's like, she's so savvy and then it's like, girl, what? Hold on.

And then also like, are any of your friends gonna honestly say yes if they know one? And again, you're yappin'. You're yappin' more and more to more people. What are you doing? Like, of course someone's gonna say, talk to Anne Hambly. She's asking me about hitmen for no reason. Verbal trail.

I mean, just stupid, stupid. So she went out with friends and was like, hey, do you know anyone? And apparently Anne, which the Brittany, who I watch on YouTube was so funny about this, Anne's boyfriend was named Paul Gall. And it's like, she's like, why would his parents do that?

Paul Gall, he recommended somebody as a Hitman. He's like, I know a person. He recommends this guy, Daryl Edwards. So Paul is like, I'll help, Paul Gall. Paul's like, hey, Anne, I know you have this debt, so I'll help, I'll help kill this hitman with my hitman. It's just like so crazy. Honestly, Paul sounds like a real fucking friend so far.

He's like, I'm in it with you. He was a hitman. He's like, oh, I'm your boyfriend, so I guess I need to do this service for you. I'll find you a hitman. Yeah, so he finds this hitman, and he goes with the hitman to lure the other hitman, Jim,

to lure him out on a drug run. Like, they're basically like, hey, Jim, can you come with us? Like, we're going on this drug run, we need some backup, whatever. And apparently he was like, I don like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like, they were like,

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I don't know if it was Paul or Daryl, but one of them punched him. But by punching him, they punched the guy who was strangling him by mistake. So Jim got out of the car. He managed to escape and he was like running and they ended up killing him out on the trail. And that's how they like ended up with his

and killing him. And then they went and just dumped him on the side of, like off a, on the side of a road. They threw his belongings over the edge of like a ravine and just left him there. Imagine being like to your girlfriend, like, oh, I'll take care of it. Also imagine like someone hearing us talk about this

at lunch, like this is, I just heard it in a moment where I was like, if I heard, I would halt whatever conversation I was having if I overheard this. Oh, and then they killed them at the ravine. I mean, every I really got to say, Christine, this story with it's not even finished. It's one of my favorites because this is such a. Gossipy tale. Oh, you're so right, because it's like, what were they dating?

Yeah, they actually were. But were they hit men? Yes. Also that. There's such a network of people who kind of have. Why is everyone's boyfriend of hit men? Yes, also that. There's such a network of people who kind of have to do shady stuff. Why is everyone's boyfriend of hit man all of a sudden? Yeah, I've never heard a story where there were two hit men involved. Like killing other hit men. Yeah, it's just like, how do you find two hit men?

Well, you go out to lunch and you ask around and then your boyfriend ends up being the one to know a hit man and it is also a hit man apparently. It's just like, what in the world? It's just so crazy. Like it is also a hitman apparently. It's just like what in the world? It's just so crazy. Like it just seems absolutely convoluted, like so convoluted. So anyway, both men accept second degree murder convictions

and 15 years to life to testify against Mary Ellen. So everyone is just like fucking abandoning Mary Ellen now because she's like pushed her luck, I think a little too far. Well, they're also like, so I'm being interrogated, you get to go to fucking Cancun and pretend like nothing happened? Exactly.

Like, she was never gonna get away with that. Are you kidding? So, yeah, so she went to trial in 1994 in the spring. And the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt was on the prosecution, who of course had just witnessed testimony for the most part. Mary Ellen's friends testified that she had been talking about hiring a hitman to kill Bob for months before it happened. One friend later said she just didn't

seem to care who heard her soliciting his murder. So like it is very... Sounds like it. Yeah it's very reasonable you could have heard this at lunch you know. Before she hired Jim, she even told friends she'd paid thousands of dollars to one man who failed to kill Bob, and she was really frustrated that the deal fell through, and that she lost all this money, and people were like,

but I'm like, why didn't anyone say anything? Why aren't your friends, I mean, was Bob just terrible? Nobody, nobody thought, wow, she's really serious. She's gonna kill him. We should do something. I guess maybe they just didn't think it was real. I don't know. I can't wrap my mind around it.

I wonder if there was a group chat away from her, but they were all like, is this like a joke I don't get? Like did you guys, was there an inside joke I missed last time? Are we all playing along? Like is this right? Anyone else not awkward laughing with all of that? Anyone feel out of the loop? Yeah, or like a little worried? Anyone to send an anonymous tip in you gotta pull the Christine of like I think I'm just a little Confused I think I would just like you to please explain that to me for like I think I missed something

Like as she's not really trying to kill him right, but then I'm just gonna slide my phone Can you say a little louder into the speaker? but then also like maybe her own friends were like I Couldn't possibly even ask that question, because why would I think my friend would seriously kill her husband? You know, right. Right. Maybe there's like a mental game there of like everyone tricked themselves out of asking.

I mean, there must be. And maybe she just didn't even know them well enough. Like, it wasn't a deep enough friendship where they were like, oh, she's serious, you know. And so basically, it was discovered also that when Bob decided to officially divorce Mary Ellen two oh, she's serious, you know? And so basically it was discovered also that when Bob decided to officially divorce Mary Ellen two months before she was killed, he was unemployed and he wanted to keep the sandwich shop

and wanted to pay a lot less in spousal support because he couldn't afford more because she had spent so much of his money. And so Mary Ellen found out like, shit, I'm gonna lose this lifestyle if we get divorced. So how convenient, he died before the divorce was final. And she acquired the $500,000 life insurance policy. So of course, the prosecution focused on portraying Mary Ellen as selfish and money hungry, hence

the Green Widow. She apparently took that $500,000. She purchased her new boyfriend a $50,000, I think it was a Cadillac. How is anyone dating her not worried that they're next? I mean, right? And it's like the 90s. So $50,000 for it's like, this is a goodbye gift or something. Something terrible is about to happen. And she spent nearly $200,000 on a home in Cancun because she wanted to move there. I wonder why. And one piece of evidence in particular turned a lot of people against her. And this was the photo

that I need you to now Google, which is Mary Ellen Samuels. I guess that wasn't her legal name, but Mary Ellen Samuels money, I guess, just type in money. Oh my God. Is it her lying in bed like that? Yeah. So there's like this picture of her like covered in, I think it's $20,000 of cash. And this photo basically was shown in court and the jury was like what the fuck Yeah, what the hell is going on here turned against her because of this because it just is like she basically yes $20,000 in bills and she's just like lying there in the bed. Like is she naked? I don't remember She I mean, it's hard to tell yeah

so she's like basically like topless under the She you can't really I mean, it's hard to tell. Yeah. Yeah so she's like basically like topless under the $20,000 laying in bed and it's like they basically use that as kind of like a trump card like oh, yeah She wasn't doing it for the money, you know, and of course, it's very sensational Yeah, the investigate. Yeah bad look for sure and the investigators believed like this is exactly the the vibe that they needed to get across Like just look at this picture and you'll understand. My God. But Marielle and Nicole, of course, told a different story.

They told the story that Bob was like this horrible, abusive guy. Nicole testified on her mom's behalf and said like, Bob was hitting and raping her when she was 12 years old. And Nicole described Bob like slapping her if she prepared the dog's food wrong, dumping ice on her head to wake her up. Like she was saying all this stuff about her dad. She said she kept the abuse secret as a child

because she was afraid it would destroy her parents' relationship. But she and Mary Ellen, her mom, were the only ones to ever like have any of this kind of story and it was only after the trial began. So it was like, why didn't you say that before when we were questioning you in relation to this? Like, I mean, I don't know, it's just a little bizarre.

And Mary Ellen actually claimed that's why she was divorcing him. So it's like, well, that's weird. It's not in any of the paperwork, it's not in any of the reports. It's not in any of the reports. It's just a little strange. And one of Nicole's high school friends did testify that she had heard Nicole talking

about this before, the abuse. And the friend said that Nicole asked for help acquiring a gun because Bob was abusive and she wanted a gun, but Bob's family refused to believe this. They were like, there is literally no way in hell. And it's hard to say, it's like, of course, if this is someone, you know, in your family, like, yeah, you're you know, it's like, of course, I believe you.

But also it's like, you know, you never know with people. I mean, yeah, like she could be telling the truth, but also like, I can't imagine being in her position where she's like, like maybe she's like just as manipulative as her mom and like they were in cahoots with each other. But also it sounds like I would be worried like, oh my God, if she's willing to like kill her husband of six years, like maybe I need to act right and like look like I'm on her side.

So she's right. Well, I mean, yeah, right. It could very well be like an extremely codependent relationship where she feels like she has to support her. Yeah. Or else she's a danger. Exactly. So you don't even know if she, if that story is true or if she's just trying to protect her mom so it looks legit or... You know what? That's a really good point. Yeah, that's a really good point. So with all that said, of course Bob's family was like that there's no way in hell. Like he and Nicole, he loved Nicole more than anything.

And basically they believed that Nicole would say anything because Marielle and her mom was up for the death penalty. And they were like, she just is trying her best to defend her mom and throwing out what she can think of is what his family believed. I mean, Bob's sister, Susan, even said in an interview, after all, she's fighting for her mother's life. So it's like, wow. So whether the jury believed Bob was abusing Mary Ellen

and Nicole, they did believe the many testimonies that Mary Ellen had spent months publicly soliciting hit men to kill Bob. That was like pretty hard to dispute because literally everyone was like, oh yeah, she told me that too. It's like, not all these people are lying. Not all these people are lying. Maybe it's because like, it's just, it's, I don't know how you think you were going

to get away with it. I think you're just so narcissistic that your view of the world is like, Oh, well I can get away with it because it's me, because I'm me. You know, like some people just don't have a sense. My friends are so loyal. They would never say anything. Why would they say anything against me? It's like you're so delulu, so to speak, that you can't even like rationalize

that other people would have a problem with that. So she was sentenced to death. Damn, didn't see that coming. No, I didn't either, I really didn't. She was found guilty, sentenced to death. And like as Nicole, I mean, that's so scary. But in 2019, her sentence was commuted to life without parole.

The ruling found that Mary Ellen's sentence was largely influenced by quote, bad character evidence, such as references to her drug use. She would like supply Nicole with alcohol when she was underage. Like just things that didn't seem relevant, but they were basically saying like, oh, they're saying, they smeared her character and it

wasn't constitutional or whatever it wasn't like it basically they they've changed her sentence she was no longer on death row so the ruling stated that her defense counsel failed to follow the necessary channels to omit some of this irrelevant information and perhaps it swayed the jury, even though it probably didn't, because it's pretty obvious what happened, but whatever. So Mary Ellen has since been dubbed the Green Widow, which is a reference to the pile of cash covered in money. And oh, you know what I didn't realize,

which I had not seen before and literally just read in the notes that I've read three times, so I don't know how I missed this. That was the money she had collected from Bob's life insurance policy. Oh, that's bad. I did not know that. Well, that makes sense then why they were not very kind. That really changes the game because I'm like, I watched that YouTube thing and I watched an actual episode from the 90s,

or I think it was from the 90s about this. It was snapped, or no, it was not the 90s. It was like from 06 or something, but it was an episode of snapped on Oxygen and nobody mentioned that it was that money, which I mean, now I don't know, maybe I just, who knows? But that totally makes sense why the jury was a little less sensitive. Yeah. It's not like this was her in college and like she won big at the casino. You know what I mean? Because that I feel like is less, it's like, wow.

So anyway, Nicole, for what it's worth, has never been charged for any involvement in her father's or Jim's deaths. But yeah, so it turns out Mary Ellen, she had her husband killed, then had her daughter's boyfriend killed because he Was involved wow Wow, talk about drama Talk about drama and how old is nicole today? You know, I don't actually know I just literally closed my notes. So that's fine

But but I mean still like I can't imagine going through all that walking walking in on your dad dead at 18. First of all, six years before that. But a lot of people say she was involved, that it was her boyfriend, she was like, I know somebody. I mean, apparently everybody in this story knows a fucking hit man openly. Apparently so, what town are they in? Fucking San Fernando Valley, next to you, next door.

Okay, be careful out there. No, but I mean, even still to see that at 18, just like, because maybe- No, of course, of course. Whether she was involved or not, it's deeply traumatic. And like, who knows if, even if she was involved, like, who knows if this was just, I mean, she's 18, she'd been literally a minor before that. Even if she was involved, maybe she didn't know like, oh, my own mom's gonna walk me right into seeing him

without a face. It's like, yeah, who knows? Like, right, oh my God, like, maybe this was manipulation, who knows, so. Because maybe it was like, oh yeah, something's gonna happen and he's not gonna be with us for much longer, and then- That? Right, oh my God, maybe this was manipulation, who knows? Because maybe it was like, oh yeah, something's gonna happen and he's not gonna be with us for much longer, and then- That's horrible, it's horrible.

Now her mom's in prison for life. It's like, now you lose both parents. I mean, it's just devastating. So it's just really tragic and just very chopsy-turvy. I'm telling you, that's why I read the notes three times. Clearly I still missed something. But I also watched several things on it because I was like, my brain is so confused

with the hitmen and the brother and everyone's boyfriend's a hitman. And I'm like, who's not a hitman in this story? Like if I watch this on fucking whatever lifetime, I don't know, I don't know, any of these fucking channels, I'd be like, that's not realistic at all. I'd be like, okay, we need to stop hiring people from lifetime.

Yeah, please, right. It's like, make it believable. Right, it's like, even Mad Men's more believable than this, come on. You know, it's like, wow. Oy. But anyway, so I have a podcast discussion date with a neighbor friend of mine.

So we might have to do the Yappy Hour at a separate time if that's okay. But I also already have some ideas for it because when I was sitting here, I was like, oh my gosh, I got my mugwort pillow. I've got Letitia Lemon. I have so many show and tells. Well we're recording our listeners' episode on Friday. We can do it after that. Perfect.

Poyfect. Okay. Great. Well, that was a great story, Christine. Well done. And sorry to everyone for this two and a half hour episode, but you know what? If that's what you like, that's what you like. I hope you're having a great road trip. I think I just knew I needed to be in bed because it would be three hours, and I was like,

I need to stay seated. Yeah. Horizontal. Oh, God. I hear this dog about to bark, so maybe we should go. Yeah. Yeah. Horizontal. Oh, God. I hear this dog about to bark. So maybe we should go. Let's bark. All right. Thank you, everybody. And hope to see you next week. I don't know why I wouldn't. Why did I say that? Goodbye. And I hope to see you next week. Also, that's why we drink. Oh, God.