And That's Why We Drink - E436 Mayoral Messages and a Lemonade Haunting

Episode Date: June 15, 2025

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Get groceries delivered to your door from No Frills with PC Express. Shop online and get $15 in PC Optimum Points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca. Well, it's that time of the month. Here we are again. Wait, like a period? Well, I, well, almost, but mostly I meant, you know, the part where the world's burning to the ground and all of our civil rights are being trampled. And what else? Oh, not even that time of the month.

It's just that time of the hour. It's just the time of the hour. It's a time of the minute ticking clock. My air conditioners on and I kind of don't care, even though it might make a sound in the background, but I wanted to wear this grumpy troll sweatshirt and it was too hot to wear without the AC on. So I do apologize, but you know, it feels like if some elected officials are allowed to do whatever they want, then I can keep my air

conditioning on for a few more minutes. You fucking say it. I, this has been such a dastardly week over here in LA. Yeah, yeah. You, I'm worried about y'all. I have been keeping an eye on that LA news. It's scary over there, man. Yeah, it's a for like, it's it's so weird, because some people in my life are saying like, have like a bug out bag and get ready to leave and then other and then put the other parts of me are like, no, I want to stay in, you know, protest and fight and be a part of it. And it is a hard line to find like where, where to step in, where to step away. Yeah. It's, um, but anyway, I'm, I, there was a protest yesterday at city hall.

Um, that was by the way, peaceful everybody. Um, but just in case you have been living under a rock, um, or in a rock or another country where country where this is not happening right now, yeah. But the whole world is watching. So, you know, you're probably right. Most people know about it. If you happen to be a xenon

and you've been on planet Glorp for a while, let me just fill you in that LA is having protests right now because ice and also people cosplaying as ICE, unfortunately it's a bit of both, have been going into Latino communities and they have been rounding up people, kidnapping them, let's be perfectly honest, putting them into a lot of times unmarked vans instead of just like properly detaining them, which that doesn't even make sense because a lot of these people are doing the right things to get themselves stuck. They're getting all these people from work.

Elementary school graduations. Elementary school graduations. They're pulling people out of their workplace. They're doing this intentionally to cause fear and mayhem and chaos and just rub in everyone's face like the authoritarianism. It's like sickening and horrific. And the day this comes out is the day after Donald Trump's birthday, which is the day that a lot

of these like counter protests are happening. And so- Who even knows what it'll look like by the time this- I mean, I accidentally, I seriously accidentally stumbled and I was looking on Facebook to find like an event page for the one in my town. And I found a forum of people in the truth and patriotism, some group like talking and they said, look what we've discovered this thing. And all these people were saying, well, this is where the civil

war will really begin. And I'm like, what? Like, nobody's asking for a civil war. We're just asking you to stop kidnapping our neighbors, right? Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah, so we've all been protesting. We've been protesting because it feels, I'll say it, a little Gestapo-y. Yeah. It feels very Gestapo-y. Yeah, no due process. I mean, that's not how this country is supposed to work,

man. And full-blown bigotry, because they're just going into brown communities and they're just saying, well, we'll figure it out later if you're actually a legal resident here. Yeah. And even if you are, that won't fucking stop us. Maybe we'll keep you anyway. I don't know. It's such a terrifying time and I'm privileged enough to not even have to experience it firsthand,

but just seeing what's happening in LA is so scary. I feel so bad for the families going through it. And if you are able to protest, if you're able to get organized, if you're able to help in any way, either be on the ground or a lot of people are offsite buddies in case people are getting arrested and you can be the check-in person.

And if they don't check in with you, you call the police on their behalf or you call a lawyer for them on their behalf. However, you can help. You have rights. And I think think a lot of this is an attempt to instill fear and make us feel like, oh, they're in charge, we're not, but there are more of us than them and you do have rights, whether they believe it or want you to or not. So yeah. Yes. And the fact that, sorry, I don't mean to keep interrupting.

Oh no, I keep interrupting you. No, we're both in the same headspace. It's just the, on top of everything, the, you know, Trump going around Newsom to be able to bring in the National Guard and deploy literal Marines to, and calling it an insurrection, by the way. Right. Where was the center on January 6th? All those people got fucking pardoned, by the way. Where was the center on January 6? All those people got fucking pardoned by the way.

Fucking insane. So it's just really terrifying to know that these protests have been peaceful. Everyone in LA are, we're all telling each other nonstop, like whatever you do, don't do, they're inciting violence or trying to incite violence. So like don't feed into it. They want a riot. They want a reason for why he did this. Everyone is actively being hyper vigilant on how peaceful these protests are. I'm getting calls from people on the other side of the country thinking that the whole place is on fire and we're not doing anything. Whatever you're seeing on the news is crazy.

Also, apparently a lot of people, especially on the far right, have been intentionally sharing images from the 2020 riots and posting those as current day footage of what's going on in LA. And it's so easy to debunk, but once it's spreading around the Internet, people just see what they want to see. You know, so it's it's really disturbing and scary. I mean, it's a blaze told me yesterday, like, this is the first time in a while that we've been genuinely like, things are really, I mean, I wouldn't say first time in a while, but first time that it's sort of like, we gotta do something.

I don't even know, it's so scary and daunting, but who else is gonna do it? We all gotta step in, I guess. Yeah. Oh. Anyway, I'm glad you said something because I wanted to say something I had. Oh, I wasn't even going to. I just it just like came out.

I said time of the month. And then I went, well, I I also my period about to start. So that's not wrong either. And have you heard about like Granite Thunberg and all that, too? Oh, my God. This is like what is happening this year is like rivaling 2020 already and you remember 2020. A lot happened that year. I sure do. Anyway, it's I had something much more eloquent prepared. I was actually going to talk on this. Oh, I'm sorry. No,

no, no. But I pushed you into this. No, I I I kind of blanked anyway. So thanks for helping me through. I just I don't I feel like I have a million things to say and nothing to say at all. So just know that we are not silent about this. We're not gonna be silent about this and we are doing our part and yeah, it's just a really dark time. We're listening and learning and it's a dark time.

We're listening and learning. We're listening, we're learning, we're growing. We're shrinking away from the horrors of the world. If there's anything you can do, I know I'm not speaking for you, but I already know you well enough to know that this is what would be happening. Both of us intermittently, I'm sure,

on our socials will be posting like ways you can help or like, you know, we are aware of what's going on. And if there's any way that people can help or if we can be a resource, let us aware of what's going on. And if there's any way that people can help or if we can be a resource, let us know what else we can do. And it's just scary. And I hope everyone,

especially the Latino community is doing okay. So. Yeah, me too. Me too. So we'll hopefully we can put some resources as well in the show notes. I need to throw that on you either, Christine. I just.

No, no, no. I think that's a good idea to do, though. I was going to mention it anyway, just to have it in one spot. And that way, all of us can throw in our own stuff. You know what we should also do? I'm imposing work on myself already. But I feel like maybe in the show notes, we should also write down what your rights are. Oh, yeah.

Well, we could also link to a... Yes. What was that? What was that, I say, with full awareness of what that was. I know a dog toy when I hear one. Sorry. I didn't mean to give us more work, but however, we can definitely post a link. Maybe we link to our list of of of of do's don'ts

Yeah rights as a citizen, etc Yeah, yeah, we should just We should compare notes you and me on like what you're hearing on the East Coast versus what I'm hearing over here Oh god, I mean, honestly, I think most of my feed is very LA heavy So I don't think I'm hearing much different. Okay, cool. Most of the people I'm following the updates are LA people, so I feel like I'm kind of following from afar. And I don't obviously watch TV news or anything, so I don't really know what the old fogies

on Fox News are saying, but I'm sure it's not something I wanna listen to. I do, because all of a sudden, any old fogies, any Fox News fogies in my family have all of a sudden reached out and suddenly care about me. And I'm like, well, you voted against, you voted against quite a lot of my values. And also you voted for this exact thing that's happening right now. He talked about this in his campaign. Yeah, we know that this was supposed to happen. Right guys. Anyway, I didn I mean to be such a bummer coming up. I brought it up. Listen, my fault. Other than that, Christine, I wanted to ask you how your birthday was.

Thank you for asking. First thing I wanted to mention earlier, and I forgot immediately, even though I told Em right off the top, I was going to say it and I forgot and I started talking about my period. And then I started talking about insurrections and the lack of them. So we have this Yappy Hour, which is what we do every week after the episode. We go on Patreon and let off some steam and talk about something silly,

usually something we've talked about early in the episode. Like maybe, I don't know, we take some sort of quiz, personality quiz, or we show, like show and tell, you know, the haunted pictures I've got recently, or we talk about Hank or whatever it might be. And that is staying the same on Patreon, but it's also now available on Apple subscriptions. So if you prefer that platform over Patreon,

you can also access it via the Apple podcast app, which I don't necessarily use, which I don't necessarily use so I don't know what the layout or the format, but it's pretty cool. Our team, Megan, Katie, Eva, have been working really, really hard on getting this set up. And so we're really excited about it, but it makes it more accessible to more people. So if that's something you prefer, we will be sending those episodes. And well, you'll see, we'll post about it. It'll be pretty clear pretty soon,

but it's kind of exciting. So if you wanna listen to the Appy Hours, but don't wanna go into Patreon, you can do that through Apple. Yes, and Hank and his toy on the floor agree. And don't you want more of that? After you listen to this. Real quick, I just want to say that I did have a wonderful birthday that I'm going to ask about yours. But I went to Blaze to Blaze playing this like fun surprise trip

to Lake Cumberland with my mom, Tim Alexander. He flew in and then Lisa and Sherry. And they all came in and we did like my stepdad brought his boat and Leona got to go boating and you know we went magnet fishing where's you where's when which is when you drop a giant magnet into the river and then see what you pull up. Just know that that was your fucking jam. Oh I there's a photo of me I posted actually with all the resources or resources to an event that I posted on Instagram as clickbait because I knew that if I just

Posted the like rally information. It just wouldn't get any traction on the main feed So I was like, here's me magnet fishing not that anyone knows Sounds like it sounds like a lot of fun. Thank you. It is was that Leona's first time on a boat No, she's been on it one other time but this time she really got into it and she was captain for a few minutes and only when the boat was off. And we went treasure hunting

because there had been that tornado. So there were a lot of weird items in the water. It was a very strange time. Perfect time for your magnets. Yeah, honestly, that part was more interesting. But yeah, it was great. I do want to give a quick shout out because I promised I would do this and I, as you know, never forget about my promises.

Just kidding. But I did write this one down, which is that we went to, which Blaze had already planned a visit to the Paranormal Road Trippers Nightmare Gallery, which is in Somerset, Kentucky, right near where we were staying. And it's run by this local high school teacher and his wife. He's a paranormal investigator and his name is Zach Bales. Shut the fuck up. Lisa literally so it was an amazing museum. It's free. It's like donations and it's so professional. He did it all himself. They have a lot of movie props, which I felt like I need to ask you about, of horror movies that had connections to the central Kentucky area. Then he talked about what he called the blue grass triangle.

And I think he named it, but it's like this triangle in Kentucky where- Like the Bermuda triangle, but Kentucky- Yes, but a blue grass triangle. And I was like, I'm so into this. I'm so into this. And he said at the end, kind of like, you know, it's a bummer growing up in Appalachia and having all this history in town and folklore and even alien stories and true crime and everything.

And he's like, but you know, we don't really get any of the Bigfoot like credit or anything like that. Like they had Bigfoot cast, you know, footprint cast and stuff. And he said, you know, it's a bummer people. And I said, well, I'm going to do my best to change that. So I want to say right here, that thank you, Mr. Bales for your awesome museum and for spreading the folklore around the Kentucky, the Kentucky folklore and legends. And also, sorry that my Aunt Lisa accused you of having a fake name.

I know that that was very rude and you were really caught off guard and your own brother had to say, nope, that's his name. And I do apologize, but it was because she thought of Zach Bagans and was like, there is no way that's a coincidence. I know that Blaze either one has been holding

onto this place for so long in his back pocket or two When he saw the paranormal he wrote what was it called again? Give a shout out Oh, it's called the paranormal Road Trippers nightmare gallery. Okay Well, I feel like when he saw the praying for the first time and then he saw Zach Bales name to it I know he was kicking his feet in the air like I've done it. This is exactly the spot Wow, so and how did leona feel about that? Or was it a so she actually did not attend that she went to a fun little water park with blaze and they had their own Good time, but we got a great blaze was Blaze was like, I found it and that's enough.

He's like, I actually have some busy things to do in the water park by myself. And he had like a collection of haunted items. He'd been all over, he'd been to Crescent Hotel, he'd been to Europe and seen haunted places there. He had like tchotchkes from all over the world and haunted dolls that people give him and like, ooh, the whole thing was pretty wild.

So it was very wild. So it was very cool. If you're in the area, central Kentucky area, please make it a visit on your road trip. And yeah, I would love if you looked into the blue grass triangle. I don't know if that's a real thing, but maybe Zach can send you some info. Or at least we can take a picture of his exhibit and you can use that for information. Sure, sure. How was your birthday? It was good. It was different because everyone was out of town,

including Alison. All by myself. Nope, because I have Hank. Hey. What did he do for my birthday? Oh, he actually did do something for my birthday. For myself, I bought a screen door for the like one of those magnet screen doors for the back. So he could, in theory, use the backyard if we keep the door open, because it's tall enough

he wouldn't be able to jump out. Right. And when I say backyard, it's like a tiny little patch of grass, but at least he can like pee and stuff like that. Um, and for my birthday, that on that day, he learned to use the screen door, um, which up until then he was terrified to try it and we know he doesn't like doors. And so as of my birthday, he now can go outside by himself. That's amazing.

It's really lovely, especially because he already was a really good dog about not waking me up in the morning to go to the bathroom. But now I have an alarm to just get up and open the door and then I go back to sleep and I never get bothered at all. So oh, and then yeah, oh my gosh, that's a really good setup. Yeah. Um, downside on my birthday, he learned to dig and we have a crater in our yard now. That's a really good setup. Yeah. Downside on my birthday, he learned to dig, and we have a crater in our yard now.

That's nice. Cool. Yeah, that's going to be hard. That's a hard one to break them off. Yeah. He also learned humping at the dog park, so we're trying to make that as well. Anyway, so that's the Hank update. And then for my birthday, other than that,

I had two friends come over and surprise me with lunch. And we all had lunch together. And then I saw another friend for dinner. And then in between, I went to Universal, which I've always wanted to start taking more advantage of because I'm like so lucky to live 15 minutes away from an amusement park. And there are times where I'm like, oh man, I really wish I could just go ride a roller coaster and then come back. And

fun fact, there's only certain roller coasters I'm allowed to ride anymore because of my heart. But all my favorites are still like the ones that don't like they're still acceptable. So Oh, good. I'm just gonna. So like the teacup one? No that one would actually fuck me up. Actually I was gonna say actually that one makes me so nauseous. Anyone with anything with like a g-force where like you have to like a whole pull your own body weight is a is is a no-go for me but great um like all the slow ones like the or like the vr ones like uh like the more experiential ones. Yes. Got you. Immersive, yeah. Immersive.

So anyway, I got myself a universal season pass because I had so much fun walking around. I was like, there's no reason why I can't make this part of my like regular thing whenever I need a day off. And it was also a gift to me because I'm trying to, I told you this already, but I'm terrified of turning him into a dog with separation anxiety. So I needed a reason to leave for several hours. And so now getting myself a season pass, I'm actually being a good dog owner.

That's right. That's exactly what they recommend in the books. Yeah. Is that true or no? No. To buy a season pass to Universal, not not quite but I'm sure there are other related related tips and tricks. Well anyway that's a that was that was my birthday. Did you get a cake or a yummy meal at the oh yeah we got a couple cakes my mom made me my classic I'll post it online my classic birthday cake from when I was little that has a marzipan gnome on the top with some mushrooms and some grass.

And she and Leona made it, but they put it on before the marzipan, before the cake had fully cooled. So it kind of like melted into this like creepy looking gnome. I loved it. And when I was little, there's a very, there's quite a traumatic story behind that cake that I will not go in. Hey, maybe I'll tell them the yap, yeah. There's a traumatic story about this cake when I was little, but essentially every time every few years, my mom like remakes it for me to be like now you can have any piece you like. So sweet and then blaze got a cake in somewhere in Somerset,

Kentucky. I don't know. I don't know where but from Zach Bales Baker from Zach Bales Bakery and it was delicious. So, you know, it's been a really nice, nice week. Yeah. Do you have, I'm only, I know, like, usually this is where my story is short. So I, I don't mind taking up a little more of your time. I want to ask outside of the state of the world, do you have a reason why you drink or is that it? Yeah. I mean, Gio got fleas, but I know you've

been there and you've had an even more skunk related incident based on your Instagram. So I don't even want to go into the dog woes, but the flea thing was really a nightmare with, no, it is a nightmare. You're allowed to come in for sure. Oh, the bedding. And then we were traveling and like, we had to put them at doggy like to a dog sitter and we were like, we have to treat him before that. And oh my Lord. I mean, anyway, now you know how it dog sitter and we were like, we have to treat him before that. And oh my Lord, I mean, anyway, now you know how it is, right?

We can commiserate. I feel worse for you though, because you have multiple animals to worry about. Yeah, the cats were a pain, but honestly they're already there. They also have a much bigger house. I mean, I promise I could complain forever about having to clean my house.

But at the same time, it's like at the end of the day, like two rooms and I have no carpet. So I feel like your- It's the rugs and the pillows and oh my God. So- You have a much bigger ordeal than I do. I'm a much like more low key about it. So I'm just like, whatever.

As long as I get the fleas out, get it clean enough, get them out, get them off our stuff. I try not to panic, but you know, we're good. We're good now. And yes, I'm drinking this juice by the way, because I wanted to give vegetables to my body for once. Oh, brilliant. Oh, wow. 34 is looking on the up and up. I need it. And yes, Hank did get skunked. We both still reek. That's why the windows are open.

I can't imagine that fortunately is coming out. It apparently lasts a long time. Yeah, yeah. That's something I don't know about. We went to the, I mean, he also, it happened directly. He was smelling the butt of the skunk as if it was a dog. So it was like looking down the eye of a gun.

Hankathy. And just directly into his face. And then he jumped on me because he was scared he rubbed on everything. So it all of our every cushion is in the wash for the fourth time it still reeks and we've done all the baking. So I promise I have- I'm sure you've done every remedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's like the candle wax spill.

We've tried all of the candle wax spill remedies thanks to you all, it was so helpful. It was so embarrassing though, because I thought I finally like, maybe I didn't smell like skunk and he didn't smell like skunk anymore. And like I'm getting too used to the smell in this house. But then we went to the dog park yesterday, like 10 people, was there a skunk around here? Was there a skunk around here? Oh, and I was like, oh no, we're the smelly

kids. Shit. At least they don't know. At least they're like, it could be someone. You're like, yeah, who knows? Um, okay. Last thing, I swear to God, I know that this is going our, our usual amount actually, but, um, good reason, I swear to God, I know that this is going our usual amount actually, but good reason why I drink. I got a message from Mayor Max. No, you didn't. The Mayor of Idlewild, the little golden rich. Was it for your birthday? No, apparently Mayor Max, because he's a dog and doesn't know how Instagram works, Mayor Max

did not know that people were DMing him, I guess. Don't totally know. But I guess at some point when we mentioned Mayor Max in a previous episode, we tagged them or I tagged them. And so it showed up in their DMs. And all of a sudden I got a message saying, I don't know what you posted, but we wanted to say hi or something like that. And I went, this is the best day of my life. I'm obsessed with Mayor Max and Mayor Max

gave me their personal number to arrange a visit to meet Mayor Max. Happy birthday to me. I have Mayor Max's number. You are like famous or something. I know he's famous and I'm just, I'm not worthy. You're just one degree away. Where do you get to go? When do you get to go? Or do you not have a plan? I haven't planned anything. I know like they host like events where like Mayor Max,

it's like, it's a thing that Mayor Max is gonna be there. But like in the message, I mean, I can read it if you want. It just says like, if you want to arrange a visit or if you want to stop by for an event or whatever works, just call us. And I went, because I mentioned that, and we know anyway, I'm very excited. I told Mayor Max that I have custom shirts from our listeners. People have asked me a merch of Mayor Max. Yep. So I said, I'm a big fan. We talk about them on the show and it just became a thing. So very exciting. Listen, that's huge. Nice. So that's why I drink. What are you drinking? I'm drinking an iced tea with a lot of brown sugar in it.

Oh, that sounds good. Yeah. I have way too much brown sugar. So we're going through it. Yeah, at the end it's gonna be a nice, girthy little mess. I kind of love it. Ooh, ooh. You know, it's wild. I hate the feeling of sand, but when it's sugar in my mouth, I'm like, oh, sand. Did you like that?

No? Okay. No. Christine, I actually can't record tomorrow because I have a doctor's appointment. And guess what? I used ZocDoc. I used ZocDoc. I'm very excited about it. I'm finally getting this cough checked out. Yeah. It's been you know a casual almost two months. It's been I've been suffering for a while about this. And nobody else not even me. So but luckily

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please don't wait to get help. Go to No CD and book a free call with their team to learn more. That's nocd.com to schedule a free call and learn more. Well, Christine, I have a story for you. It's very short, but this was recommended to me, not by Mayor Mack, somebody else in my DMs. And I went, oh, that sounds fun. And it worked out because as I told you, and I've told everybody many times now, I'm trying to do all 50 states, but at 735, and I got to get on that, because now I got less than two years.

So, one place I haven't been, at least since I was a kid, and I haven't really experienced is Delaware. So, this was a story from Delaware, and it was in my DMs right after Mayor Max, and I went, great, perfect timing, I'm gonna do this one. Let's do it.

It's also lighthearted-ish because of the state of the world I thought we could all use a silly escape so. Oh good glad I'm not doing that. I got it don't worry everyone. Thanks. So this is from Wilmington Delaware which by the way didn't even mean to make this political but that's the hometown of Joe Biden. Hey. didn't even mean to make this political, but that's the hometown of Joe Biden. Hey! Woohoo! Yippee! People's Bureau.

It's also the hometown of Aubrey Plaza. Oh, okay. I can get behind that. Yeah, see? Okay, we've all got something. Fun fact, if you happen to be going to Wilmington, Delaware for some reason, they looked up a New York Times article of places that Aubrey Plaza specifically recommends.

And she recommends Trolley Square, a cafe called Brew Haha, which I love. I love it. And then a restaurant called Mrs. Robinos. And then there's a local legend there called the Devil's Road. And number one, ironic because she was just in Agatha all along where they're walking the witch's road.

And two, what are the odds I'm doing this ghost story and then find out about a local legend recommended by Aubrey Plaza. So that might be next week's story. Is that the Dover Demon? No, that's Dover. Is Dover, I thought for some reason, I thought Dover was in West Virginia,

but there's a Dover, Delaware, yeah. Oh, sorry, Dover, Massachusetts, okay. I always thought it was Dover, Delaware. Okay, so that's so totally separate. I thought that was what the devil's thing was about, but wow, okay, we gotta look into that next, I guess. Okay, so the story I'm covering today is called the Dead President's Pub. And it's in a building that is, fun fact, probably like up to 220 years old, which is

crazy. Yeah. But no presidents actually died here. In fact, I don't know why it's called Dead President's Pub, especially when it's in the hometown of a living president. I think it's just about the vibe in there. Apparently the decor, there's a bunch like presidential memorabilia and stuff, so that's kind of okay. Whatever, sure. It was open in 1997 by brothers, Michael and Stephen Lucy. And before it was a pub, it was thought that this building

was actually multiple buildings that over time kind of got converted into one big building. They were private residences and then, sorry for Hank, yeah, became their own businesses and then became one big building. But when they were in the basement, they discovered that whatever the buildings used to be, they're assuming a private residence, they found a chapel down there.

And I guess back then people would make like makeshift chapels for wakes to like display the body. And so... Why don't they use a parlor like a normal person? Why don't they use a chapel like also fair But so they found this whole like really creepy room where I guess bodies used to be Displayed in wakes and honestly, maybe it used to be a chapel. Maybe that was like one of the businesses that the maybe yeah But the basement yeah, it was a make sure Joe and fun fact down there. They found a large carving of Jesus

Which is still down there probably because they were too fucking scared to touch it. That's what I'm yeah But it was from the chapel days and it was just big old car. Yeah, you don't touch that It's just leaning against like I'm assuming like a stack of Coors light now or something They're like just don't touch the Jesus. Okay. That's just the house rules, house rules, house rules. Uh, well in the 1950s, I saw fifties, I saw sixties depending on the source, but, um, it was a different pub at one point. And when it was this pub, there was a guy that was a regular there.

And I think his last name was Mullery. I can't imagine that was his first name. But his last name was Mullery. He's now known as Lemonade. Oh, sure. Why not? Also interestingly, no real reason for why they call him Lemonade. It's just lemonade lemonade.

Mullery feels like a really mean joke. Like why are they not telling me why all these nicknames are happening? It feels like they found him on Mulberry street. Like it's like lemonade. Mullery feels like a friend of Dr. Sue's lemonade. Mullery went to the pier and sat on a ledge and drank his beer. to the pier and sat on a ledge and drank his beer. Anyways. Not his lemonade? No, that's the big mystery. Can you imagine a lemonade who loves beer and a guy who loves lemonade?

I mean, I can. I can and I am. And you say it too. And I'm saying it too. Well, okay. So in the 50s and 60s, there was this pub. One of the regulars was Lemonade Mollery. And he apparently was, again, I don't understand the source because a lot of these

websites were like, he was a prankster. Like, really, he was like a regular who would get really drunk and then throw dishes at the staff. Oh, good. And they keep saying like, he was so well loved by the whole staff. They all thought it was so funny. I was like, really? Really? I don't think so. Or were they like forced into a the customer's always right situation? Yeah, exactly.

That feels more like what it might be. Um, I guess like maybe if he was like childhood friends with the staff and he thought it was funny like Prank them but like I can't imagine pranking me like I'm gonna break all your dishes. So you have to buy new ones He isn't that funny? Yeah, I only break them but I'm gonna throw them at your fucking head while you're working and other people Yeah, yeah, and everyone's gonna laugh Yeah Did you ever do any? Did you ever work in food service?

No, I didn't. I did a lot of desk stuff for my early jobs. I don't know. I worked at a library and I shelved books, like that kind of boring stuff. When I worked at Chipotle. You worked at Chipotle, right? Yeah, that was the only food service I worked. It was enough for me. Yeah, I was at Chipotle. You worked at Chipotle, right? Yeah, that was the only food service I worked. It was enough for me.

Yeah, I was going to say, I don't envy those who have or still do. The only prank that anyone did at Chipotle, which wasn't funny at all, is that during a rush, the people in the back who would be grilling meat, they would say, oh, we ran out of chicken, we don't have any. And then they had it, it was, they had it, they just didn't wanna cook it. So I don't even know if that's a prank,

I think they just didn't want to cook it. I was gonna say, yeah, what a good prank. It felt similar to they might as well have just an employee throwing, or a staff, or a customer throwing dishes at us. Yeah, that's just not great. Well, okay, so that was his whole thing. He would get drunk and then throw things at employees,

but nobody ever kicked him out. And I guess because they never kicked him out, the story has been passed on that they were like in on the joke. Okay. Well, one night while drinking at the bar, Lemonade Mollery went down to the bathroom and he slipped on some pee next to the urinal

and he fell and broke his neck and died. Oh my God, imagine what a way to go. Like that is not what you expect. Slipping on someone else's piss and breaking your neck? I think that's why he's called Lemonade. Oh, you just, okay, remember when I was so mad? I wish I could go back to before I knew that's why he's called Lemonade. Oh, you just... Okay, remember when I was so mad? I wish I could go back to before I knew that, honestly. Like, ignorance is bliss and everyone else was right.

I shouldn't have known. You know what? The older I get though, the more convinced I am that I will just die from a happenstance. Just a ridiculous accident. Yep. Like a freak accident. I...

Okay, so there's a there's a patch where when I'm walking Hank, we're like, you know, like on the roads, like the when it's painted white or something, for some reason, the texture or the material they use to paint on the roads is so much slicker than the actual road. So when it gets wet, all of a sudden it's like a fucking slip and slide. And I imagine in the 1950s, if you go to a downstairs basement bathroom,

it's probably a slick cellar floor. Ooh. In dark. And I have wiped, I've eaten shit for sure on the roads. So like- Or just ice. I mean, to use like a slippery substance. But yeah, that sucks. There have been a few times where I've fallen recently

because I just slipped on something. I'm like, there's no way I can judge this person for just slipping on. Oh, hell no. I don't judge at all. I mean, I'm just sad that it ended up with a broken neck. Like, damn, that's's bad luck imagine like you are a whole-ass person with a whole life and then you slip in some poop and then for the rest of your life everyone calls that's what brownie she for you know yeah that's fucking insane and don't start anything and I see what your eyes twinkling over there and I don't think that I approve of any of this little brownie come anyway I just like I'm like of all the things, but maybe that was a way of getting back

because like if you ever threw dish if you threw dishes at my face all the time, and then you died, I'd go well now you're coming to refer the poop you slipped on, you know, well now I'm gonna make a shitty nickname for you. So because of well, let's just say flash forward to the 1990s, because it happened in the 50s or 60s. In the 1990s, the Dead Presidents pub is opened and now people are starting to report haunted activity, which is interesting because there were like 40 years where like there was no

activity. So what was it during that time then still? There was very little information. So maybe there was just not anything happening and then they're like, let's get it up and renovated and open and clean. And then all of a sudden everyone's like, ah, maybe my thought too is if let's say like this was the, it was a pub when lemonade died and now it's finally a pub again. Maybe now it's like that.

It's his is his expertise is his favorite kind of place all over again. Aha. He's like, I know about this. Yeah, because maybe it was like, oh, shit, a sewing business or something before. And he was like, I'm not going to get boring. And also you throw like a piece of thread or a needle and nobody even notices. Like if you thought glass, that's different. Or even if you throw a ball of yarn, like someone might notice, but they'll be like, it just rolled off the table. Like it doesn't strike fear like a glass would.

That's true. Although I will counter your point when you say needles, if they were being thrown, I would be aware of that. I did say that. And I thought to myself, that's not entirely true. That's there is a more nuanced answer to that. But in general, unless it came near you, you probably wouldn't even notice. Nicole Soule Is it interesting that in sewing, everything's either incredibly soft or incredibly fucking not. Lauren Brinkley Oh, that's such a good point. There's not really much in between, is there? Nicole Soule If I were 14, I would consider that the deepest thing I've ever said in my life.

Lauren Brinkley You're 33 and I consider that the deepest thing you've ever said. So I hope that helps. Thank you. So anyway, yeah, that's what I'm operating under, kind of similar to you, is like maybe it just like wasn't a happening spot until the 90s, and that's when he decided to come back. And um, hang on, I'm just gonna... What is that? It's, you know what it is Here anything no no it's it's Hank being oh oh oh oh oh So here's what I did recently. I'm trying out a new thing Uh-huh where I took the cushions off the nook so that he won't want to lie down here That's so smart make it less comfy

Yeah, I'm sitting on a pillow right now. You're so smart. Okay, so, cause again, now that he smells like skunk, every time I want to take him to a kennel, it gets delayed. So, oh, look who came here with the hardest, loudest toy. You're not gonna lie down. He's like, who can play this game? He is gonna lie down. He's like, who can play this game? He is going to lie down.

OK, let's see where this takes us. OK, so far, so good. OK, where were we? So now the 90s are here and all of a sudden there's haunted activity. Mainly, the staff are realizing that dishes are getting chucked at their heads while they're working. Oh, good. And so for the obvious, you know, association there, we think it is lemonade, molary coming back to continue haunting a bar. Yeah. He'll not just throw dishes head on at staff, but he will also throw glassware, he'll throw

ashtrays, he'll throw whatever he can find. And often this activity is then followed by the sound of someone holding back a laughter or just straight up cackling. Oh my, what he's so amused by his own bullshit. Yeah, I'm like, you couldn't, I'm sorry, like that's the funniest you've got. A prank gets hold. That's what exactly and it's like we weren't really Laughing when you did it alive like we were just trying to be nice and now like you're doing it again

like it wasn't that good he kind of strikes me as like a Guy who goes to a bar and thanks everyone there's his buddy and doesn't realize that like they're only nice because he pays them Right, it's like a read the room boo buddy sort of situation. Like, you know, read the room lemonade, you know. You got it for sure. Well, people will hear this giggling also in the bathrooms. They'll hear it in the stairs and they sense temperature drops a lot of times. They'll also feel a heavy presence in empty areas and staff will often hear glasses clinking themselves.

And dominoes in the game room have been seen floating in the air. Firm pass. Okay. I love that they're floating in the air. I was like, Oh, have they been seen like tipped over or like a domino? You know, I thought it was going to be like something cool. Like, just like, like a, like a, but they're just floating around trying to find the next

place. Like a nursery mobile in my mind. Oh yeah, just like kind of dangling on string. Yeah. Also, so sorry, he's literally right in my face. If I sound off, it's because I'm like trying to juggle. Trying not to breathe in the scent. Yeah.

And I also, so I, again, controversial. I don't know if this is like everyone's favorite thing in the world, but I found this like spray corrector. Have you have you heard of that? I don't think so. It's just like I think a can of aerosol, but the sound is supposed to kind of like get them like to pay attention to something. Oh, I see. It has worked. My mom used to spray the cats with water with a with a water with a spray nozzle if they ran into the street to like teach them to not run into the road when we lived close to the street but it's like that but sound instead of um water in the face like he's terrified of water

it would be extra cruel i think oh true but it's this like um pet spray corrector and you're only supposed to use it like when they're like really not listening to you. Um, but the last few times that he's tried to put his hands on the dining room table and I sprayed it, he like won't go near it now. So hopefully he's like, that thing makes crazy sounds. Yeah. Um, so I think we've solved our crisis, by the way. Wow. Finally happening. Well, was fast. He just went outside. I was gonna say don't jinx it, but it sounds like it's working Anyway, I'm sorry. This is like the most zigzag story today. I'm just trying to get through it with now. Listen, I love it I hope everyone else loves it too, but I do I appreciate everyone being so patient. It's just it's a we're all learning together

We're all kind of in hell. First of all, it's a, we're all learning together. We're all kind of in hell, first of all. And second of all, we're all learning together. What I'm said. Well, okay. So it's kind of the last part I have of Lemonade Mullery is that, yeah, glasses get thrown at people. You can hear them clinking, which is terrifying cause that feels like he's almost tempting fate of like,

it's like clink, clink, clink, like. Clink, clink, look what I can do. Yeah, it's like, that's what I, yeah, I could send it on its way right now if you'd like. Yeah, I don't like that. That seems like what it's saying. And then you go in the game room to like take a breath and the dominoes are dancing around you. Oh, God, and they're like, take a nap, little baby. Spinning around. Sometimes the laughter, because remember you hear laughter. It starts as a faint lighthearted laugh elsewhere in the building and then quickly gets closer and louder to you.

Hate that. It was literally described by one source as childlike and then maniac-like. Oh, I don't know what source. Probably maniac. Yeah. Probably maniac, but either I'm never coming back in the building. But either one's really not fun. Other than the laughter, people have also heard screams in the pub,

especially where lemonade malaria is said to have died. So imagine you've, you got it whipped out by the urinal and they just hear a scream. Oh my god, I would never pee by that. And in that spot, I don't think, I think I'd be waiting to find out to pee in there. Lemonade makes himself most known to, uh, to the staff when they're closing up at night, AKA when they're alone. Great. And when they're probably so exhausted and really just want to go home.

Imagine this guy really needs to learn to like respect a boundary every now and then, you know? Awful. Anyway, that is literally the only of one goes it's Lemonade Mollery. I actually thought about calling this place and asking them like if they- But you were already on the phone with Mayor Max, right? I have other things to tend to, you know? Yes. But I did decide I was going to check their website. And while I was checking their website, I have a grievance that I really need aired out

that they're listening. I'm about to change their fucking world actually. Am I not to give unsolicited advice, but it's great unsolicited advice. Yeah. So listen up, whatever it is. I can't wait. Here's the situation. It's called the Dead Presidents Pub, right?

Right. I looked at their menu. I'm so sorry, Dead Presidents Club, beyond disappointing. Whoa! Here's the situation. There's a whole ass menu. There were only like four mentions of presidents. Yeah. Okay, here's the ones that are, everything else is like-

Okay, but are we talking four out of how many? Is it like a Cheesecake Factory style or like just a brunch? It's like, I mean, it's big enough where there's salads or sandwiches, there's wings, there's spinach dip. Oh, wow. Okay, so you've got like different categories and across all categories there are only four presidential themes. See it's like you either go all in or you just don't go in at all, you know?

Yeah, just call it something else then. Like, or just have a president section where you're like this is all the president jokes, you know? The presidential menu, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that should be the one for kids, you know? Here are all the political options you can get on the menu. There is the Kennedy Melt. There is the Voter's Choice Burger,

which isn't a president. What? There's the Garfield's Garden Burger. So that's two, Kennedy and Garfield. Was he a vegetarian? Because if not, that would probably piss him off in the grave. My friend, I looked it up. His favorite food was squirrel.

OK, we can officially agree that our brains have unfortunately merged into one. Second of all, what the fuck? Third of all, continue, please. Third of all, I was going to say none of the president's fun fact have ever openly been vegetarian, although the closest that we can assume were heavy plant eaters were Thomas Jefferson and Woodrow Wilson. Fun fact.

Wow. Thank you. See, this is the kind of information I'm here to learn. And you know what else? Let's start a rumor that Donald Trump is a vegetarian, a vegan. Oh, it would kill him. His favorite food is McDonald's actually. Literally on listicles. His favorite food is McDonald's. He's fucked. He got a Sbarro pizza slice probably. Fucking asshole. I uh, I, no comment. Okay, so anyway, we've got Kennedy Melt, we've got Garfield's Garden Burger, we've got the Bull Moose, which is a Thanksgiving sandwich. And for those who don't know, Bull Moose is like something Teddy Roosevelt started. So Teddy Roosevelt doesn't even get his own fucking name. Isn't that a nickname? I think isn't that the name of like the progressive party? Oh, maybe that's what it meant. Yeah.

I think he was called. Oh, yeah. He said he boasted that he felt strong as a Bull Moose. So they started calling him the Bull Moose and then the Bull Moose party. Yeah. So we'll give it to him. Sure. There's Kennedy Garfield and Roosevelt. Okay. And then there's the tricky Dick's pretzel nuggets and the chicken Nixon, which means two of them, two of them are about Nixon. So there's that's it. That's all. Whoa, is it chicken Nixon was the other one and tricky Dick, which was Nixon, Richard Nixon. I don't even know that name that name tricky. It was what they called him. Oh, okay

So he got to Nixon of all people got to that's I'm saying Nixon is one of the like the notoriously most hated fucking president Like he's literally got fired. What are you talking about? So you've got a rose by the day Delaware like what but he's not dead yet. True. You know what? That's a good point. But then you're right. They gotta fucking commit. I'm sorry. You can't do like four of the dead presidents if you're going to call yourself. Like you can't have five items and two of them are the same person. Yeah. It's also like one of the most hated people. And one of them is voters choice, whatever that's supposed to mean. It sounds like a call to action on American Idol. I don't know. I just, I don't approve of this either. I didn't think I'd get so heated, but also a Garfield garden burger just because of the

gar. Like if he ate squirrel, you better rethink that or you're going to get a new kind of haunting. If Garfield was here to order a garden burger, he would not. Let's put it that way. He would probably actually do more than not. He would probably that's like if I die, I'll eat a squirrel in spite out of spite. If I die and someone made a Schultz salad, I would like really die all over again. I'd rather to die again. Like, why would you do that?

So anyway, yeah, there are five mentions of presidents. Two of them are the same person who was also like not very liked. And by the way, another thing I wanted to say is that there's a random person who also gets two mentions in this menu named Val. Cause like Val's famous mac and cheese. So I guess it's like Val works in the back,

but how come Val gets two and- Well, what and all the dead white men only get one M. Is that what you're going to say? How come Val and Nixon have the same amount and then nobody else? You know, they're bringing Val into the menu. Do you know what you said it? You said it. No, you're right. And it's also weird to give one of the presidents, one of the presidents, Nixon, two menu items. Like, I still can't get over that. And then like, Val gets two, but then also so did Nixon.

So what a compliment. I don't know. It's just weird. Even worse, the logo of the dead president's pub is of four dead presidents that aren't even the ones mentioned in the menu. They're just four random other dead presidents. I think it's Ulysses S. Grant, and then there's Thomas Jefferson and both Roosevelt. So I guess one of the Roosevelts.

I'm impressed you know any of that. I would not know that, but good job. Anyway, so here's my pitch to the Dead Presidents Pub. Here's my pitch. Okay. First of all, scrap your fucking menu immediately. Start over. Expeditiously.

Expeditiously with expedition, please. And my pitch to you, Dead Presidents Pub, which this is a reason I would go, is you should make the menu all of the favorite meals and foods of every dead president. That except squirrel. Especially when the day comes that Biden dies, he better have a fucking menu mentioned in his own hometown of the dead president's club. An ice cream cone, per chance. It's easy, guys.

Interesting, you mentioned that because I looked up every single favorite food and meal of every dead president. You're literally so insane. And I would like to read to you the menu if it were up to me. You know what? This is fantastic.

Let's go all in. I'm investing in it before you even give me the pitch. So take my money. Okay, the first one, Thomas Jefferson macaroni and cheese. Why isn't that on the menu? Fucking hell, easy. Roosevelt, who is in the logo, this is Franklin Roosevelt,

he's in the logo with no menu mention, grilled cheese. Hey! It's not even hard to be. Hub, grilled cheese. This is, I just want to put this one out immediately, this is sinful. Richard Nixon, his favorite food, remember he's the one with two menu mentions and he's a very bad person.

Chicken and the balloons. And M and I support Richard Nixon all day. Unfortunately, my effects have turned off. So the balloons are nowhere to be seen, but Em is really rallying over there at the campaign headquarters of Nixon and the balloons are just going wild. Well, since they love Nixon so much over there,

you'd think that at least have his favorite food on the menu. Guess what it is. It's as awful as him. Cottage cheese with ketchup. That has to be a joke. Is that for real? That's disgusting.

It's so fast. I didn't think I would be like as like actually physically grossed out as I feel. So anyway, let's scrap him again expeditiously. Expeditiously. I take those two off the menu already. The ones that we should focus on are macaroni and cheese, grilled cheese, and then other options. I'm not gonna go through every name,

but here's the food of the menu. Corned beef and cabbage, sure. Fried steak, or sorry, corned beef and cabbage, fried chicken, steak, Virginia ham, bratwurst with sauerkraut, beef stew, meat pies, boiled meat and potatoes, seafood chowder, barbecue and pot roast. Boiled meat?

It was a long time ago. But still, you could have like a turkey dinner or something. Whose was Bratwurst? Couldn't have been. Warren Harding. Warren Harding. Bratwurst with sauerkraut. I was going to say died in 1923, so he never really got to see the 40s come on up.

Cause I was like, there's no way anyone from like the 40s to the 60s said brought worse. Um, anyway, wow, that's amazing. And, and hang on, I'm not done. Oh, that's the entrees. Okay. Here are the sides fruit, corn, cornbread, cheese grits, uh, caramelized tomatoes, red, red flannel hash, which is potatoes and beets, I guess, and then Hoppin' John, which is a peppers and rice meal. And then for desserts, jelly roll, figgy pudding, rice pudding, chest pie, jelly beans, and when Biden dies, vanilla ice cream.

You can't have vanilla ice cream until he's dead. Sorry. I'm not saying the desserts are the best in the world, but if you wanted to have like a living history experience, you could go and get like all their favorite foods. Hello? Exactly. And you don't even need to necessarily go like strictly

with what they, their favorite food. Like you could even stretch it to like, oh, the name is like a clever take on something. I mean, you know, there are other ways to do this, like bide in my time. OK, that's stupid. But you know, like a play on some word that makes it this better than chicken Nixon. That's right, Hank. Sorry, I didn't mix in chicken Nixon, chicken Nixon, chicken Nixon.

Yeah, it's not for me. Or like you could do like even like a mix in Nixon. Yeah, something. Yeah, I's not for me or like you could do like even like a mix in Nixon. Yeah something Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to think of like I'm trying to think on the fly what I would do for like Hashtag with all the Nixon's it'd be funny if you do like JFK BLT. Like if you just say Now we're talking Even get into beverages Sam Adams

Now we're talking. We can even get into beverages. Sam Adams, was he, you know? By region? Like, oh, they're from Virginia. You could just get like, hey, I'm- Exactly. Like this represents like, Gartenberger, like try to explain that to me that it's anything but gar and gar. Yes, exactly. And I don't want to be cruel. Like I'm not trying to bully these people. I'm just saying, you know, oh wait, Sam Adams was not a president, was he? Sorry. No, but he was a history. He was in our minds. It's a historical figure. It's like, at least history. I just,

I wanted to wait for all the people to, to, I wanted to get ahead of the story, you know, you were trying to get engagement in the comments. I understand. That's exactly right. Thank you. Anyway, I, that's my pitch. I'm not, so thank you. And I'm sorry that it was like that, like a very short ghost story, but someone recommended it because I think his. Thank you. And I'm sorry that it was like that, like a very short ghost story, but someone recommended it because I think his name's Lemonade. And and I was like, hell yeah. And we needed something lighthearted this week. So there you go. Yeah. A man slipping in his own face and breaking his neck.

It's really the remedy for a tough week, you know? Yeah. And it's not even a restaurant that's like got a special menu. Like, first of all, let's talk about Val can have a fucking menu option, but lemonade can't. I know. Well, lemonade is in the name. I mean, exactly. I just, I feel that they could just, I feel like if they listen to this, I will melt into the ground and never want to be seen alive again. So I am treading on some thin ice here, but I feel like you've really brought a lot of inspiration to the table. I don't care if they hear I will happily not melt into the ground. I am handing you on

a silver platter a great idea, a great idea. Yeah. And if you don't take it, then when lemonade throws another dish in your head, I can't say it wasn't deserved. You know, you know what, maybe that's what will finally appease him. You know? You know, at the very least, give him an item on the menu so like people will order and talk about him or like give him a page in the menu or something. Be like, oh, what's the story about this? And then it has like a little blurb, you know?

You literally can't put something on the menu that just says lemonade, Mullery. You can't put lemon, are you kidding me? Like you're not trying to get that point. And then they're like, oh, the guy who slipped in someone else's piss and everyone's like, yum, lemon. No one has to know. No one has to know. But you know what you could eat with a lemonade Mullery, a Brownie Schieffer.

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I promised. This is the story of Nevaeh Kingbird. And I have a couple notes up top because it's relevant to the story. And I know we've talked about what the term two spirit means. But I figured we could just refresh anybody who doesn't know. So in regards to Neveah specifically, her mother says that Neveah is two-spirit and likes girls. And Saoirse said while researching the case, they found one comment on a forum that said Neveah uses they them pronouns, but there was no source for that. And any other sources, including her siblings and parents use she her and so you

know it doesn't mean that maybe she never used they them pronouns but Neveah's mother speaks about her two-spirit identity with a lot of love and support but still uses she her pronouns and because this is siblings do as well we're just gonna go with that today and defer to the pronouns her family uses and just keep in mind the possibility that perhaps you would have preferred something else. Yeah. So two-spirit itself is a term that's sometimes equated by non-native people to mean an Indigenous person who identifies as gay or transgender, but that's not exactly true. Two-spirit is more,

it's something that doesn't have a direct translation. It's a cultural identity. There's no like one-to-one comparison. It's more than an Indigenous version of being LGBT, you know, you know what I mean? It's a sacred identity and it's something that I think means something very personal to everybody who identifies as that, including Nevaeh. So here is the story for you. Omidji, Minnesota is where we're starting. This town gets its name from the Ojibwe word, Omidji Gamag, which means where the current cuts across or lake with crossing waters.

Ooh, also I think that's my, that sounded really good on my ears. That was a very lovely sound. It's a very satisfying word. The midgee-gamak. Ah. Now I know it like tickles the brain in a way. And Saoirse sent like a video of the pronunciation guide

and this person talking about, who lived there talking about the pronunciation, who lives there currently talking about the pronunciation. and this person talking about who lived there talking about the pronunciation who lives there currently talking about pronunciation. And every time he said it, I was like, rewind. Ooh, really nice. Little sing songy. Yeah. Yeah. And then they call so Bemidji. So Bemidji Gamog means where the current cuts across but Bemidji is the name of the town. That's it. But it gets the name from that. So the word describes Lake Bemidji, which is intersected by the Mississippi River.

And although the river begins at Lake Itasca, it flows north to Bemidji before turning south and is actually dubbed the first city on the Mississippi because it's the northernmost point of the Mississippi River. And the Mississippi River is like 2300 miles long. So kind of a cool little... She's a big girl. She's a big girl and they're at the tippy top. So kind of a cool little fun fact.

Cool. The town of 15,000 people sits between three Ojibwe reservations. There's the Leech Lake, Red Lake and White Earth nations. Now the Red Lake nation's government maintains full sovereignty over itself and its land and Nevaeh Kingbird was born a member of the Red Lake Nation's government maintains full sovereignty over itself and its land, and Nevaeh Kingbird was born a member of the Red Lake Nation, and she grew up the third of six children in Bemidji. She was only two years old when her mother, Teddy Wind, which I think Teddy is such a cute name with an I at the end, Teddy Wind.

I love Teddy. Isn't that cute? I do. Speaking of the bull moose. I like it more as a guy's name. I don't know why, but it's always one I do too. I like it as a boy name too. Yeah.

But I also like Theo and I'm like those are both from Theodore, you know, it's kind of funny but I like Theo and Teddy. You know what's wild as I have a friend who has a Theodore hates Theo hates Teddy and hates really, but I that's a danger zone because I feel like you can't control the Nick. You can only control the nicknames up to a point, right? And then, yeah. And here's the thing is I'm, I'm the opposite where I love Teddy and I love Theo can't

stand Theodore Theodore is not for me. It reminds me of the Alvin and the Chipmunks a little bit. Yeah, well, yeah, that would make sense. I have one of those little guys. I have a friend whose last name is Bear and he always wanted to have a son named Teddy. Teddy Bear! I mean, it's hard to give that up.

Polar Bear, there's so many options. Grizzly Bear, Bull Moose. Actually, Polar would be such a cool last name. Polar is kick ass, Okay. Thank you very much. If we have anyone with a listener with a child named pole or if we have any people named polar listening, let me know because it's pretty kick ass. Perfect. Hell yeah. So all right, here we go. She was two years old when her mother Teddy with an eye and I imagine a heart over the eye, Teddy, Wind and her

father. So they got separated when she was just under two years old, or when she was just two years old. As she grew up, she sort of took charge of the household. She was very capable. And her mom explained, Nevaeh was the boss of everybody, even me. She was in charge of everything. She made sure of that. And I allowed her to be that way. So she really wanted to keep everyone safe, keep everyone on track, get the house under order, you know, run the ship. And she was good at it. She was also really close with her family, especially her siblings. And she would dote on her younger siblings. And even her five year old sister, Natalie would fall asleep in her bed every night. She just was really affectionate with these kids.

She was actually best friends with one of her sisters, Lakeli, who was older by just one year. Lakeli said that Nevea was the perfect combination of friend and sister, quote, "'Just everything in one.'" Which is like, makes me cry. That's like a dream, you know, to have that kind of a relationship.

Like that's like a once in a lifetime thing. Yeah. Every night, Neveah told Lakelai every detail about her day at school. And likewise, they told each other everything. They planned a future together. Neveah wanted to move to New York one day for college and get her bachelor's degree.

And so she told Lakelai that she planned to go there together with Lakely and they would share an apartment in the city and live together, you know, just like childhood dreams. Neveah also loved her culture and nation that she was born into. Teddy said that Neveah loved their language. She spoke fluently and Nevaeh was also a born artist who enjoyed exploring diverse mediums. She painted, she wrote poetry, she used pencils and pastels. Like she's just a very creative and artsy person. She also was into fashion. She owned a lot of clothes and loved to express herself through, you know, creative outfits. And people really liked this about her. She was very much, even though she was very,

how do I put it, like capable at home and kind of like in charge, she was also very approachable and people really, really liked her. She had this kind of energy that drew people in. And she had a lot of friends for that reason. So she kind of had a very busy life. She was balancing her friendships.

She was balancing all her siblings and their family life. And she liked to keep up with everyone and everything. And she had social media to help her do that. As a young teenager, Nevea was also pretty popular. She was very pretty. And Teddy was a little worried about that because she feared that because her daughter was traditionally beautiful and was very outgoing, that this might attract people who would want to take advantage of her. An interviewer once asked Teddy if she struggled with Neveah being two-spirit, and

Teddy said she knew from the time Neveah was young that Neveah was interested in girls and that she supported Neveah fully, but she only disapproved of the people Nevea spent time with because they didn't treat her well. Teddy said they were outright unkind to her daughter. And she said she was so afraid of her daughter that she wanted to hide Nevea from the world, which sometimes made her feel like a strict parent. But also, you know, she knew she had to give some freedom because otherwise that's just, you know, a recipe for disaster.

You don't want to dim her light. Yes. I mean, yes, exactly. And you don't want to like lose their trust or what have you. But yeah, I think so. Don't want others to dim her light. Yes. Good point.

That's beautiful. But if I were 14, wow, I would be scratched that last thing. You just one up yourself. I would be telling people I'm going to go to school for philosophy for sure. Wow. Wow. And you and you should and you can. And I do in that lifetime. I do. Absolutely. So she did give her you know, some freedom to explore make own choices, and learn from her experiences. So instead of sheltering her, Teddy actually did something really fucking awesome and enrolled her daughter in boxing and self-defense courses. Okay, I have been saying forever, if I have children at all,

especially if they are born female, no questions asked, they're in a self-defense class. Yeah, we're waiting for Leona to be four, I think is when they start here. Yeah, totally. Let me tell you something about Leona. That girl, I can already tell you she can throw a punch. I already know she can.

She's really all arms and legs. She's gonna have a fierce kick, a hi-yah. She's gonna have a hi-yah, I can tell you. Oh, she's gonna love a hi-yah. With that nugget couch with wobbly mountain in the way. Just hi. Yeah. All over the place. The day that she learns how to like throw someone over her shoulder. Oh, yeah. Fireman Carrie. Look out playground.

I'm telling you, no one's safe when Leona's around. Lightning Leona. Oh, my God. Lightning Leona. Anyway, no, I I'm so glad to hear that. I every time I hear someone enrolling their child, especially raised female in self-defense, I'm like, I can't think of a better thing to do. I think it's an awesome thing. As far as I've heard, it can be very, what's the word, like emboldening for people, especially if they're insecure or don't feel necessarily capable in that way.

I feel like it gives a lot of, what's the word it like, empowering, empowering. Thank you. It like empowers people. And I feel like that's half of it. And then the other half is actual translatable real life skills, like disarming someone. It's yeah, truly. And it's I think that's the one thing. If I have kids, I've told Allison, I don't care if they play in Schmidt. I don't care if they do sports. I don't care about any of that. The only thing I'm going to be tricked about is that I get them in self-defense early. That's kind of my only, my only rule. Everything else, fuck around. Which I would argue is a sport. So definitely you should get those credits at the element,

at the middle school or whatever. Excellent point. Don't let them talk you out of those. If chess is a sport, then martial arts are also a sport. Boom. We're making some really hot takes here tonight, folks. Okay. So instead of sheltering her daughter, Teddy did what I think is a really, really smart and awesome parenting move and enrolled Nevea

in boxing and self-defense courses so that Nevea would have the confidence and skills to defend herself if necessary. And Neveah did struggle quite a bit despite, you know, the many friendships and the big social circle and the loving family. She was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She experienced periods of mania during which her behavior became uncharacteristic and unpredictable. She fought with her mom, which was unlike her. Sometimes she would even run away from home, and so did Lakele. And once they ran away together, because you know you're thinking they're best friends and they're sisters a year apart, so I can see why, you know, they'd kind of both be in on it in certain ways. But even when the two

of them ran away or when Nevaeh herself ran away, she would always make sure to stay active on social media so her family knew she was okay. So even if she was pissed off and wanted to get away, she would at least write her aunt or siblings or somebody and say, I'm over at this place and like, leave me alone, you know, or what have you. She would always check in. She would always make sure that her mom knew where she was. Through their ups and downs, Teddy and Nevea maintained a very close bond. Teddy said in an interview, I felt like she was still holding on being a baby to me. In October of 2021, Nevea was 15 years old and was having a particularly rough patch in life. Two of her friends, and this is something that like we don't necessarily talk about specifically when we talk about missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, but suicide, the idea of how high the rates

of suicide are in marginalized groups compared to non-marginalized groups. So two of her friends, she's 15, two of her friends had died by suicide that year, one in April and one in October. And I mean, that's a devastating thing to deal with at any age, but at 15 to have two friends die by suicide is just, I mean, how traumatic would that be?

I, just like the grief alone. I don't think I experienced that kind of a loss at that age, thankfully, I know a lot of people have, but that's just a lot. So she was overwhelmed by grief. She was really struggling to cope with the loss. So Teddy, her mom worked a 4 p.m. to midnight shift at a nearby casino,

and she actually took off five days to be with Neveah because her daughter was grieving so intensely that she felt like she needed her mom there. It's so sad. It's horrible. Then on Thursday, October 21st, Teddy gave Neveah permission to go to the movies with friends, and Neveah was finally upbeat. She was really excited about her plans. According to Teddy, she was beyond happy. So Teddy left for work and she called Nevea at 8pm to check in but Nevea didn't pick up. So as the hours passed, she called again and again until Nevea finally answered and it was clear immediately that something was wrong. Nevea was slurring her

words. Teddy asked what was wrong and Neveah said that nothing was wrong. And then she burst into tears. Oh, oh gosh. Teddy left work early and found Neveah at home with six other teenagers. This is where this story becomes unbelievable to me in a few short bullet points. Oh, okay. It turned out that Neveeh had gone to a party with her friends instead of the movies. And when that party was busted, Nevaeh's friends went home

with her. Teddy didn't know any of the teenagers in her house. And as you know, she didn't approve of Nevaeh's friends because she said they didn't treat her well. Right. So they're probably coming in and now taking advantage of your house. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Right. Exactly. You're already thinking like these are dangerous people for my daughter to be around. Now they're all in my house and looking through my shit. What you know, who knows what? And so they all went to her house and Teddy didn't know any of them. She was really nervous about what was going on with Nevaeh. And she went to look for her. Teddy found her upstairs drunk. It was completely unlike her and when Teddy tried to get to her daughter one of the teenagers Started pushing Teddy backward. Oh

Yeah, a grown a grown-ass woman Yeah, there's like like the like not not that it's okay to push your friends But you're pushing your friends mom who you know that in her own house. That's crazy. Okay. Yep, and met in her own house. That's crazy. Okay. Yep. And they refused to let Teddy anywhere near Nevaeh and the rest of the group refused to leave her house. I mean, this is fucking terrifying. It escalated to a near fight, like a near brawl. I mean, she's trying to get to her daughter and Teddy announced she was going outside to call the police. As she waited outside for the police to arrive, she heard someone banging on the garage door.

The girl who'd been shoving Teddy took the wrong door and went into the garage instead of out of the front. And Teddy let her out through the garage door and asked her where Nevaeh was. And she said, Nevaeh left. Teddy rushed around the house and found the back door open. While police were escorting teenagers out of Teddy's home and an ambulance transported one teenager Teddy rushed around the house and found the back door open. While police were escorting teenagers out of Teddy's home and an ambulance transported

one teenager to the hospital with alcohol poisoning, Teddy told the officers that her daughter was missing. He seemed unconcerned. Of course. Wow. You know what? One day, maybe tell a story where they are concerned. How about that?

Hey, it's really hard to find, Em. It's really fucking hard to find. Unless you fit a certain set of criteria, you know? Unless you're white, straight, able-bodied, Christian, anything. You just insert that. Yeah. Yep. He seemed unconcerned. He said she must've just run away. Teddy said, well, then you need to go find her. He seemed unconcerned. He said she must've just run away. Teddy said, well, then you need to go find her. Keep in mind at this point, it is past 1 a.m.

in Northern Minnesota. It is 23 degrees out, negative five Celsius. Nevaeh is intoxicated alone outside somewhere. Also, if she's intoxicated, doesn't that mean that she doesn't realize how cold she is. Yep Okay, it's a lot easier to yeah to not feel that Sensation when you're drunk and they call what it got beer jacket Fucked up, but it's true

So the police sort of looked around for a second and Police sorta looked around for a second, and Teddy is like gearing toward full panic. She figures, okay, Neveah is probably sleeping at a friend's house, and she'll send me a message tomorrow morning on social media. But Neveah did not contact her for two days. Teddy's brother, Daniel Wind, was sure

at the end of this two days that Neveah would have reached out, but she didn't. Yeah, was sure at the end of this two days that Nevaeh would have reached out, but she didn't. Yeah, I would think the same. Teddy was filled with dread at this point because two days was longer than she had ever gone and the way that she had last seen her obviously didn't strike any confidence in her wellbeing. And Le'Kaylee also was really filled with panic.

She was working at a residential treatment program for teenagers struggling with mental illness. And her younger sister having been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and now is missing and not in contact. I mean, this must be terrifying. On top of that, Lakele was away from home and wasn't able to get home to help search. So she felt like helpless. She felt like she really

couldn't contribute. And she knew this was different from other times that Neveah ran away because Neveah hadn't come back for any of her clothes, which LeCaylee said is the moment she knew. No, if she were going somewhere for a while to cool off or what have you, she would have come take in her clothes. She also, like I said, hadn't reached out to anybody and that was completely out of character. Even during a mental health crisis, she would reach out to a relative just to say where she was or just to answer that she was okay. So this is the one thing.

And like you said, she's a super friendly person. She's super extroverts like she someone would know where she is there. Yes, somebody it's not like she doesn't have any friends so there would be no eyes on her, you know, and she was with a group right like somebody had just have seen where she went and that's exactly it. Drinking was apparently also completely out of character for Neva, according to Teddy. It seemed like she planned to go to the movies with her friends, wound up at a party, and somehow got in over her head, which of course happens to teenagers every day. Her family hoped she'd come home within a few days, but the circumstances of the disappearance was, were scary. And they

thought, you know, the fact that the police called this a runaway, by the way, officially, felt damning almost. And because she was considered a runaway police, really didn't treat her case with any urgency. It was more than a week before the officer who took Teddy's report called her back. This part killed me. He asked if Nevaeh had come home yet. Teddy said that when she told him no, he said he'd call back in another week to check again and then hung up. Oh!

Are you kidding? Sick. It would be up to Teddy now, as I feel like has become the running refrain of my stories recently. It would be up to the family, Teddy specifically to advocate for her daughter. But in the days after Nevaeh disappeared,

her entire household got sick with COVID-19. Oh my God. So it's completely derailed. I can't imagine being... I mean, first of all, I can't imagine like just being sick when you like really need to be like on your on your A game. Yeah. But I mean, I'm assuming this was like COVID-19 when like we every person who got sick, we

thought they might die. Like, yeah, you've got to worry about other people who may or may not. Right. If your whole family's sick now, it's like now everyone's at risk for can you get do you have to go to the hospital and get like intubated and all this shit? Like what's gonna what's gonna happen to these people? I can't even think about the other person there. And then you think, what if she has COVID? What if, what happened? Like what if she died from COVID? What if it was just, oh God, yeah. What if she just couldn't breathe, you know,

something terrible. It's really, really, it must be, it's like, it feels like an extra cruel twist of fate, you know? Like that you are just about to hit the ground running looking for your daughter and you realize you have to do it on your own. And then the oris is like, nevermind, just think about it while you have a fever for many days. Like, oh my God, just spiraling and just seriously. And then of course, trying to get better, but you're, it's like when you're stressed and sick, it makes a cold worse. So you're hurting yourself by not. It's like, there's no and sick, it makes the cold worse. So you're hurting yourself by not, it's like there's no relax.

There's no moments of relax. Ooh. Teddy specifically was extremely ill. She was barely able to get out of bed and she had sick children at home now. So she's caring for her sick children. She's barely able to get out of bed. She would have these feverish nightmares

that Neveah was trapped in a fancy house with a teenage girl. What? I don't know, but it freaks me out. And in those nightmares, Nevaeh told Teddy that she was dead and that she couldn't come home. Absolutely disgusting and horrific. Also, like at this point, I would, I didn't even know this was during, it didn't occur to me this was like during COVID-19. That absolutely makes me think for sure that something happened to her because like this is not the time to be anywhere but in your home with your family. Good point.

You're trapped in someone else's house. Oh, like if Nevaeh were alive, she would be thinking like, I need to get home. What if my family is sick or like, what if they caught something? What if, what if the people, I don't know, like it could, that's a whole other thought of like, if she heard that they were sick, the community, she would go home immediately. Right, right. And, and the fact that in the nightmare, she said, she told her mom, I'm dead and I can't come home. Like that's just a special level of hell that I can't ooh fathom. So once Nevaeh had been missing, I mean thankfully Teddy survived this bout as did her family, when Nevaeh had been missing for a month a detective said hmm well start looking into this

case which NBC News apparently reports is department protocol for runaways who are still missing after a month. Okay, so Neveah's family couldn't believe this runaway bullshit. She wouldn't have left behind Natalie, who slept in her bed every night, and LeCaylee believed that Neveah would have reached out over social media, especially to her by this time. Teddy's brother Daniel Wind said in an interview that Nevaeh would have reached out over social media, especially to her by this time. Teddy's brother Daniel Wind said in an interview that he felt there would have been more official and community urgency about Nevaeh immediately after her disappearance if she weren't Indigenous. Well, I know what a shocking statement. What a hot statement.

Right. The police who responded to Teddy's call the night Nevaeh vanished knew this part gives it Talk about fury like it makes me furious The police who responded to Teddy's call the night Nevaeh vanished knew that she was an intoxicated and incapacitated minor Outside in temperatures below freezing after midnight yet Nobody even tried to look for her in an organized way until months after she disappeared. It's months. I mean, if somebody went missing in an upscale neighborhood, a young white girl and she was barefoot and she went missing drunk in the woods, like do we think that the police would say, she ran away. Like, fuck you.

No, maximum. I can see for 24 hours being like, oh, well, she's a drunk teenager. Like they do this all the time, something like that. But months, there's no way, there's no way. And the runaway label wouldn't have stuck. No, that wouldn't have even happened. No.

Daniel said, the world reacts different to us. You know what I mean? I'm not saying that directly to anybody. It's just the way of life for us. You know what I mean? I'm not saying that directly to anybody. It's just the way of life for us, you know? And that's a thing. Like he's just making a statement of how it is, not like a political statement, not like a whatever. He's just saying, that's how our lives go.

Yeah, that's like, now you can see, this is how it happens. Weeks passed with no leads. And then someone told Nevaeh's 12 year old brother that there had been a sighting of Nevaeh before she disappeared. Imagine being a 12 year old kid. I know, I know. And getting that information like imagine how scared you are to like and in hindsight it's like well I should have asked this, well I should have asked this and like is my mom mad that I, I mean, like it's so horrifying. It's horrifying. So this 12 year old boy hears that his sister was spotted one more time after disappearing or after disappearing from the hat from her home.

And this is the story. So apparently Nevaeh and a friend had apparently run down the road to a trailer where another friend lived and climbed through the window into the friend's bedroom. They hung out there until their friend's dad or stepdad, it varies by source, heard the teenagers talking and began knocking on the door. And that's when apparently Nevaeh panicked. She tried to climb back out the window, but in her hurry, she either fell or jumped and sustained a head injury by hitting her head. And where is she now? Someone had to drag her away from that site or is she still there?

So according to Teddy, the friend said Nevaeh had lain on the ground for a long time before she finally got back up and ran away into the night. Oh my God. So now they're thinking, sort of like what you were wondering, well, how did she get away from there?

Well, apparently the friends are saying she ran away after a while and we don't know where she went. So she had a major head injury and nobody thought to tell the parents or the police or anything. And she just fled into the night as if she has a head injury because she's not responding normally. Yeah. And she just, and they think she just like died in the wilderness. Yeah. They're going

to say, Oh my God. Well, if Nivea had hit her head hard enough to lose consciousness and sustain a concussion, it made some sense that if she was also drunk, and you know, whatever else might be affecting her that like, you know, they could have messed with her reasoning and whatever, But we also have no proof or evidence that this happened. So it's like, you know, it's hard to say it's like is this it's kind of just a hearsay type of event. I don't

know how valid you can make it. No, that's not the right sentence. I don't know what you're saying. I don't know how. My God. I'm with you. Woo, words are hard today. Okay. So if she had had any level of head injury, that would have put her at a greater risk than she already was.

If she had fled her mom's house after being caught, drunk or whatever and being upset, and then had fled to her mom's house after being kind of caught drunk or whatever and being upset, and then had fled to a friend's house and then thought she was gonna get in trouble when the dad knocked, like, I don't know, maybe she did climb out the window and hit her head and they were too scared to, I have no clue. This is just what they claimed happened.

And Teddy took this information from her son and reported it to the detective on Neveah's case. Neveah's friend, the one who lived in the trailer, had found her phone. It had been between his bed and the wall, and Neveah apparently left it behind when she ran away. He didn't notice the phone for several weeks. And when they searched the phone,

there were no clues at all as to where Nevaeh may have gone. So it just felt like another dead end. There were security cameras in the neighborhood that likely would have recorded Nevaeh that night, but they only store footage for a limited time. It's almost like they should have looked for her right away, instead of months later. Huh, how about that?

Hey, while we're pitching Gordon Ramsay style bar rescue ideas. Hey, how about defund the police? And how about actually get us some real technology and equipment in there and resources? How about somebody just cares about brown people for a second? How about abolish racism? Actually, that's a great idea. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's a good idea. At the least. OK. So the police searched nearby for Nevaeh, but they called off their search because a winter storm moved in and covered Bemidji in knee-deep snow. So there's just no searching at that point.

OK. Well, great. Yeah. Teddy and Daniel say, nah- point. Okay. Well, great. Yeah. Teddy and Daniel say, nah, they conduct their own search. Hundreds of volunteers answered the call to meet near Teddy's house. Daniel, who was a veteran wildland firefighter, organized a search and the second search that took place four days later.

So they're looking through this trailer park, they find a pair of women's jeans buried in the snow. Several days later, someone else finds a sweatshirt that may have belonged to Nevaeh's grandmother and they're thinking maybe she wore it out that night. Five months after Nevaeh's disappearance, a woman named Lyssa Yellowbird joined the search driving from North Dakota with her cadaver dogs.

Oh yeah. Hell yeah, brother. This is, hell yeah, brother. Lyssa's the one I want to watch like an HBO special about, or like an HBO like biopic. So Lissa Yellowbird brought her cadaver dogs, which are dogs trained to locate human remains. She had dedicated years to searching

for missing indigenous people and advocating for their families. And she, in turn turn became a crucial support for Neveah's family. Months passed with no sign of Neveah despite Lissa's help and once the snow melted in the spring police finally decided they were strong enough to go do a search themselves which I'm really I think was really brave of them so once the snow melted police conducted new more involved searches and they urged the public to come forward with any information that might lead to her whereabouts. Police also released statements

dispelling rumors about Nevaeh being abducted in a vehicle with Louisiana license plates. The reason this was even a rumor is because there was a different case in another state and people were just conflating the two cases and And so now there's all this misinformation spreading that Nevaeh had been kidnapped in this car. And that was a story from a completely different town. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. So it's a mess.

And while this mess is trying to be untangled, investigators also follow up on a property damage report they believed may have linked to Nevea. Here's what that's about. There was a couple who lived near the trailer park community and they reported that someone had broken two windows in their garage the night Nevea vanished. They said the same night a teenage girl who matched Nevea's description had knocked on the door without any shoes on. The detective on the case said that Neveah had asked for somebody and then she left. And when the couple was shown a photo of Neveah, they said it was a different girl who knocked on their door that night, but the detective later suggested that they might be mistaken

because their original description of the girl matched almost perfectly to Neveah, so they may have misremembered their own visuals. As volunteer searches continued for Neveah, more and more Bemidji residents became involved. Lyssa encouraged Daniel, Neveah's uncle, to canvas neighborhoods, literally knocking on doors and showing a picture and asking if anyone knew anything about Neveah. And when people learned about her, they wanted to help. On October 22nd, 2022, one year after her disappearance, there was a candlelight vigil in Neveah's honor. The mayor was in attendance as a representative of the community's continued support for Neveah's family

and the efforts to find her and bring her home. But another year passed with no answers. The police tested Harris found in the sweatshirt discovered by the volunteers, but they didn't belong to Nevaeh. And that was in the sweatshirt that looked like it could have been her grandma's. The Harris didn't belong to Nevaeh. Police also realized the jeans that the searchers found could not have been the jeans Nevaeh

wore the night she vanished because they had been left outside for far longer than Nevaeh had been missing. So those were red herrings. Okay. Yeah. Well, great. So we actually have moved backwards. Great.

Correct. Or at least we're just treading water, you know? Why isn't anyone like, they were at a party that got busted forever ago. Why didn't anyone go interview other people that were at the party? Right? These people know something. It feels so easy. And also like, their teenagers.

This might have been the sweater that she wore. Why didn't anyone like get a fucking description of what she looked like from any of the people who saw her that night? I'm just really like. It's not that hard. And also like we keep saying like, wow, like I love how like hardworking all these people are like they're bringing their friends out to like with cadaver dogs and like, but they shouldn't have to do this.

Like, no, of course Exactly. What is the point of even having a police department? Exactly. You're doing the job for like pay me damn like yeah Volunteers have to come up with all this shit like it's infuriating. Also, it's like oh well We have to wait for the snow to melt and then we're gonna go keep looking It's like that should not be your job Your job is to be at home and just fucking cry and be with your family, because it sucks.

You should be protected in this case, not put to work. That really infuriates me. And the fact that it's so blatantly obvious who ends up in this scenario over and over and over again. It's like, just a crockish. I always feel like it accidentally seems performative or something when we're like, oh wow, they're so brave. It's like, I always feel like it like accidentally like seems like performative or something. And we're like, oh wow, like they're so brave. It's like, you shouldn't have to fucking do this.

No, no, no. This is crazy. This is awful. No. I am, it's just, it's just so sad. And I'm sure to them, it felt like they had no choice, right? Like they have no choice.

They have to do it themselves. It's not like out of honor, whatever. It's like, there's no one else looking. Also with like, with time going on, like the people who already didn't give a shit on day one certainly don't care a year later. Like it's- Correct, after two years later,

after the candlelight vigil, like they're over, they've moved on. And the amount of crime and, you know, things that are happening that they're just gonna focus on instead, it's sad. Awful. So now they're just going to focus on instead. It's Yeah, sad awful So now they're not sure now they don't think the sweater or the jeans belong to Nevaeh They also discovered an eyeliner that was the same brand Nevaeh always wore But when they turned it over to police police had no clue

Nobody had a clue how to determine if it was hers right because it's like DNA, babe. What are you talking about? Eyeliner on her fucking eye. You can't get DNA off of that. Am I a crazy person? And that's a really good point. It's like, oh, well, we can't get DNA off this used lipstick. What are you saying? What the fuck are you talking about?

Hang the fuck on. That literally just sounds like a man didn't want to work. He just went, well, there's nothing we can do. However, I will say. I know they tested the hairs, but I'm just wondering what would, what, what do you think? Like, what would have that have done? I guess it would have shown like maybe where she had run. It would have given us a clue. It was like, okay, she was here. Great. Okay. So now we know she made it this far. Like, yeah, yeah, no, I'm curious about that. If you died and then there was, and we didn't know where you went. And a mile away, something

that might have been yours was found and we just don't test it. I'd be like, are you fucking kidding me? I want to know if you were there. Test this lemon for saliva. She used to kiss it a lot. Anyway, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because like how, what do you mean? Oh, we couldn't. Well, it's funny because I said, well, obviously they can't figure it out. And you went, well, obviously they could. And I was like, oh my God, I just felt very least. Fingertips like they could.

Wow. Maybe maybe they're too disintegrated at this point. But like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe they maybe they tried. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Okay, I don't know. Let's let know. Maybe they maybe they tried. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt Okay, I don't know. Let's let's do that. Here we go doing that

Police told reporters that they have no evidence of foul play But many people worry someone might have harmed her and I think we already know this but I'm gonna tell you again because that's how important It is according to the National Congress of American Indians more than four in five American Indian or Alaska Native women, 84.3% more than four in five have experienced violence in their lifetime. And in 2019, homicide was the third highest cause of death among American Indian, Alaskan Native girls 15 to 19 and women 20 to 24. So essentially what I'm saying is ages 15 to 24 homicide, third highest cause of death among girls that age and women that age. Awesome. That is how fucked up that is and how jarring it is to see the

difference between that number and then hearing police say she's just a runaway. And it's like really really? Because actually, statistically speaking, she's probably not a runaway, you know? Like, it's just, it's, the gap is so obvious there, it hurts. Navea, of course, was not the first Indigenous teenager to disappear from Bemidji in recent years. Lissa Yellowbird, who helped Navea's family organize searches and brought down her cadaver dogs, she'd actually been in Bemidji five years prior to assist a resident there named Teresa Jordain in search for her missing 17-year-old son, Jeremy, who to this day has never been found either.

He vanished after leaving a party less than a mile from the trailer community where Neveah was last seen. So like within a mile radius, both of these kids disappeared. Someone later found his backpack in the road. And that's kind of where they left that case. The detective leading Nevea's case does not believe the disappearances are related. But aside from that, of course, rumors

started swirling about Nevea and what might have happened to her. People speculated on her disappearance without any care for how their words might affect the family. I mean, all over Reddit, like it's just really alarming. And Teddy expressed some very sincere hurt and anger about this. She said that the deep pain of uncertainty, like it's unbearable to not know

what happened. And for people to be online saying like, oh, she was probably trafficked. Oh, it was probably a drug overdose. Like she said, it's just hurt on top of the hurt and completely unacceptable, you know. So all that to say, families hearts shattered and now they're just stuck with no closure, no answers, not even the right questions to ask because there's just no avenues to go down. In September of 2023, which was nearly two years since Nevaeh was last seen, the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Relatives Office, MMIR, worked alongside volunteers and local, federal, state, and tribal investigators to conduct what was reportedly the largest ever search for an

Indigenous person in Minnesota. They conducted a meticulous grid search of 150 acres. The search was conducted on the ground by air and with divers searching nearby swamps. The main focus was Nevaeh's case but searchers were also told to look for any sign of Jeremy Jordan as well as an indigenous man named Damon Boyd who had disappeared in 2014. So even though this was based on Nevaeh's case there were two other people that had gone missing in the area that they were told, that searchers were told to look out for as well. Even Jeremy's mother, Theresa Jordan joined the search and tried to help Nevaeh's family

find her. She said she, I imagine it was a little bit bittersweet. She said that she wished efforts like this had been conducted when her son had vanished years earlier. So it's sort of like, you know, we should have been doing this sooner, right? It's like, it's almost like a really nice thing that you're doing to be a part of this when you know that it wasn't when it must be so hard. Yeah, yeah. To realize like that wasn't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's big. That's big of you. Likewise, Teddy Wind wished that such thorough searches had begun for Nevaeh when she initially went missing not two years later right

because we know why. Tragically the searchers uncovered not a single clue about Nevaeh, Jeremy or Damon so it was a complete bust. Great. Determined to make a change for people experiencing the same pain as their families, Nevaeh's sister, Lakaylee, began taking courses at Leech Lake Tribal College to become a peace officer. She said in an interview, our people go missing and not just the women, the guys too. It's a pandemic for our people. Just the pandemic of missing people. I mean, it's horror. It is. It is a real life horror. Yeah. Le'Kaylee felt Nevaeh's case was neglected and mishandled from the start, and she wanted to be in the position to handle future cases with the care they

deserve, which is just always incredible. And you see people like turning their pain into help for someone else. It's just unbelievable. Similarly, Daniel Wynn became an advocate for missing and murdered indigenous people. And again, like they shouldn't be having to spend their lives doing this, right? It's like, wow, what a beautiful thing. It's becoming your life's work. Yeah. Exactly. Which like, of course, you'd rather

have your child back, your niece back, you know, and sister back, of course. I feel like there's so many, I might be, I'm kind of putting this together as I'm saying it, but I think there's a reason why so many disenfranchised communities have such bigger community. It's like, because they have personal experience, like way too many of them have personal experience and people with privilege don't have that going on. They can rely on you know we can rely on more of the resources. Yeah and we don't have and we don't suffer as often or we're not as often statistics you know and so

you know why would we have community when there's nothing to have to regularly consistently solve because no one else will do it. Yeah, it's like the kids who are having to represent themselves in court and things like that. And they're saying, you know, why would I trust you as a police officer? Like you've never, whatever. It's, you know.

Anyway, OK. So he had met a lot of families who were going through something similar when he was conducting the search effort for his niece. And so after meeting this whole community of people who had gone through something similar, he began to speak on behalf of Neveah and their family with the encouragement of Lyssa Yellowbird, as well as other missing and murdered indigenous people and their families.

Neveah's family will not give up until they find her and bring her home. This past May, Neveah would have graduated high school. Her school and classmates honored her at the graduation ceremony, which, you know, bittersweet. Neveah was passionate about school and worked very hard in all of her classes. She was remembered as a dedicated student

and beloved friend. The organization, MMIW218, helped Neveah's aunt, Flower, create a Facebook page called Bring Neveah Kingbird Home, where Neveah's family shares updates regarding her case. So if you wanna follow along and find out more information, you can check that out. The continuing searches for Neveah

require community support to secure, like you were saying, to secure crucial financial resources, equipment, skilled personnel that are not available elsewhere. Those who want to support Nevea and her family can find volunteer and donation information on the Bring Nevea Kingbird homepage, which we will link in our show notes. And that is the end of that story. And there's many more like it.

I know, right? I know, I know. Well, that's awful. I'm glad that I covered president's favorite foods. Me too. I would like to go back to that menu. Maybe we can do that for the yuppie hour. I like to listen to your menu again.

It was comforting. Okay. I worked really hard. So wait, I know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna open a competing pub across the street and I'm gonna do all the vice presidents or all the first ladies. I'll be the first lady.

First ladies, do it. Christine Schieffer. It's going to be Brownie Schieffer. Why is it? Don't you call me that? It's going to be living ladies, dead presidents, living first ladies. Living ladies. Yeah, obviously it's woman owned and everyone who works here is a woman.

Exactly. What could go wrong? Yeah. Nothing. Literally nothing. Compared to the place across the street. Look around. No, I meant the world. But yeah, the place across the street is having a tough time too.

Living lady. That would be such a good. Oh my God. Imagine imagine imagine if the owner of the dead presidents pub and the person who runs living ladies were are married or divorced. Do you think that's like, well, do you think that whoever owns it would be willing to marry me and divorce me? The first one I'm sure they'll agree to the divorce part.

I feel like that's going to be a hard sell. I think you're right. Let's put that one. Let's leave it there. Okay, I already found a list of First Lady's favorite foods. Thank you everybody for listening. Sorry for bumming you out again. I know I do it every week, but it's important to tell these stories and keep them in people's ears and minds. If you wanna check anything out that we have, it's basically all at, and that's whatwedrink.com. We have social media, at www.podcast. And I think that's everything. And that's why we drink. Discover the magic of Bet MGM Casino,

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