And That's Why We Drink - E441 Canada’s Sweetheart and Wingman of the Century

Episode Date: July 20, 2025

Woo, Yay, Boo! It’s episode 441 and we’re throwing it back to our first live show (and Em’s first time ever) in Canada! This week Em takes us to Deadman’s Island for some spooky encounters. Then Christine gifts Em with the story of the Vancouver Milkshake Murder. Stay tuned to see if Canadian kindness gives Christine’s Midwest politeness a run for its money… and that’s why we drink!  Go to helixsleep.com/drink for 27% Off Sitewide, exclusive for listeners of And That’s Why We Drink! New members can try Audible now free for 30 days and dive into a world of new thrills. Visit Audible.com/DRINK or text DRINK to 500-500. Open your account in 2 minutes at chime.com/DRINK. For a limited time only, get 60% off your first order PLUS free shipping when you head to Smalls.com/DRINK Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We talk about it every time folks. We love Eva. We love that we were able to find her so quickly. We were desperately, we were drowning when we needed somebody to come in, help us out. At the time it was just emails and social media and it very quickly turned into like we need you to go ghost hunting in the basement. Do you mind? Man, no one like Eva and we wouldn't have found her if it weren't for zip recruiter. Typically you don't associate speed with quality. But in her case, we were able to find her in like 30 seconds. It's crazy. ZipRecruiter was able to do that for us. Like I said, usually speed and quality don't mix, but there is an exception to that unwritten rule. If you're hiring, you can find candidates fast who are also extremely

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It is really freaky guys. This movie was a nail biter. Let's leave it there don't miss together the breakout horror movie event of the year exclusively in theaters now Hello everybody real quick I want to introduce somebody very special it's a certain special someone Canada's sweetheart M. Schultz Hello Canada! Wow has this been a long time coming. I was like oh I'll try to be oh no I saw Evan I was like I give up I give up. Listen I had a bananas time in Canada today.

Whoever oh by the way this is about me now um is anyone surprised who so okay whoever's watched my Instagram is pretty much on track with what's happened today. But I just had quite a blast for everyone who got dragged here by significant others and don't know what's happening. They were like, please, let's go home now. I've been wanting to come to Canada

since I was 12 years old. I remember there being some, there was some weird video on YouTube that just like convinced me I need to move here and I've been telling my mom every day since then I will move to Canada one day and I still believe it. And M signed a lease. And we went apartment shopping. No, but I have been wanting to come here for I guess now over 14 years and so I was like I'm going out with a fucking bang I'm here for 24 hours, and I'm gonna make the most of it, so I did all the very

Clearly I did some stereotypical touristy things today shocker Eva was my wing one. Yeah, I went far away I was like I'm really busy was like I don't even want to the world would implode if we were in the same plans by myself. So Eva was just the world's best enabler. Like the wingman of the century. And every time I wanted to go anywhere, she was like, fucking do you.

And I was like, oh, okay. And I'll hold the camera. Right, so we, first of all, we started, we had a Tim Hortons donut. So I know that's not like the thing, but. We literally landed and everyone was like, here's a Tim Hortons donut. And I was like, oh boy. And they were like, it's not like the thing. We literally landed and everyone was like, here's a Tim Horton stone. And I was like, oh boy.

It's not that great. And then was like, I was like, no, this is gold. Hearts in their eyes. I clearly went shopping. I went shopping at about five to six to 19 different places today and bought a whole lot. I would like to add though that the flag came with us on the plane.

Yeah, the flag's from America. That was a pre-planned accessory. I bought this like three months ago and I was like, I know where that's going. On my back in Canada. And then I saw this, I saw the, what's the steam light today? Steam clock. Yeah, okay, the steam clock, steam clock. What else?

I had, all three of us had poutine. We did do that, we did do that. That was very good. It's been a wild ride. I bought a lot of things that have to do with like moose and bear and. Oh yeah, elk. Elk, elk.

Anyway, thank you Canada for finally letting me into your beautiful country. I will say it is very beautiful here I also I mean to a much much lesser extent feel feel very welcome here And I feel very at home here I should say true and when we landed this thing happens every time I land somewhere I like immediately on the airplane experience that culture like when we landed in Dallas the first thing I heard was Bless your heart and I was like,, we haven't even gotten off the plane yet.

For those of you who are not from the American deep south, bless your heart means fuck you. Well, yeah, and most of the time. It means like, oh, honey, like. Yeah, it's like, mm, bless your heart. But we landed in the plane today, and I almost didn't get off the plane. It was very tragic because the woman across the aisle

from me was like, oh no, you go first. And I was like, oh no, after you. And she's like, no, after you. And I was like, oh, I finally met my match here in Canada. My Ohio manners are finally being challenged. On the plane today, I thought I was going to take a nap and I was like, okay, I can't wait to get on this plane.

Oh yeah. Like a half an hour flight, but it was like, I'm going to at least try to get some shut eye. And as soon as I sat down, because we flew here from Seattle, and my mind's only people from Seattle were on the plane, not Canadians, and so I was sitting on the plane, and all of a sudden the woman sitting next to me goes, oh, so how are you doing?

Where are you coming from? And I was like, oh, I'm going to Canada, I'm from L.A. I was making small talk thinking that it would stop. And then it just like, she just kept asking. She's like, oh, that's so nice. Who are you visiting? You guys wouldn't shut the fuck up. But you're so nice.

And I remember, I thought like halfway through, I was like, why is this woman like so nice? I don't understand. And then all of a sudden she was like, so where in Canada are you from? And I was like, oh, you think I'm Canadian? And I was like, yeah! And I was like, there's no way I'm sleeping now, so.

Thank you for that. Anyway, I know you guys did not come here to hear all about that. That was a longer intro than usual, but we're very happy to be here, so thank you Vancouver, we're super pumped. Super stoked. Before we start, we're hoping you guys will take a journey with us down something called a drinking game. Right, yes. Okay,

cool, cool, cool, cool. Glad to hear it. So, either way, you're just gonna have to do it anyway. So, everyone wins at the end of the game. Especially me though, I win extra. And basically, anytime Christine says anything, drink because I made the rules. So drink if Christine says listen. Well, that might not happen, we'll see. Also drink if Christine gasps. Also extremely rare and very unlikely.

Also drink if Christine says sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. That one does happen quite often, so. Yes. And, oh, I got one. Drink if M says, fun fact. Usually a never. Oh, oh, oh. By the way, that fun fact that I'll probably tell you is probably not going to be a fun fact.

It's never going to be a fact that you wish you never heard. It's very unsettling and unhappy. Yes, drink if we talk about the sweet baboo, little baby Gio. And then also drink if we tell Eva what to do at all, which will probably happen. We already sent her back to the hotel because we forgot something.

So she's already the poor girl. I feel like she knows Canada way too well already because we just have her going from left to right non-stop. Also, drink if we say hello. I thought about it and everyone saw me hesitating I know but I was like, should I say it? I was like, I'll take the bullet. Also, oh you guys probably don't know what bullets are. We're from the United States. I'll explain it later, don't worry.

That was very that was Making a statement reason a million why I'm glad to be here Also bonus round drink if I go honestly, it's just fucking funny. I should have changed it. I should have changed the subject I really really hate that It's cuz she hears it every day. Yeah, it's not fun for me. That being said, I guess at the end, if you still don't think we're funny, then you need to drink a lot more.

Yeah, that's kind of, it's like our not so sneaky way of trying to be more entertaining to you. So get all, you know, a good buzz with me and then just get like hammered with her. Oh, you know what I forgot? Eva got me this really adorable little Canada flask and I left it backstage, but it's very, very tiny and cute and I was going to bring it. But I already have two beverages.

You can have a third. It's okay. That's the point of the drinking game. I was going to put maple syrup in it and then I was like, that's a little much. Oh, there was one store today, by the way, that like I, I know that they were like pumping the smell of maple syrup through the vents, cause I walked in there and I was like, I don't even see maple syrup, but I know exactly where I am. So I appreciate your like mental marketing.

Your guys are doing a great job cause I bought a lot of shit there. So it worked. That being said, let's crack into it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. We interrupt this podcast for me to tell you some breaking news. Not so breaking. I'm very sleepy all the time. And if you've been listening since day one or probably today, you know there's nothing I love more than a nap. And partly because my mattress is a Helix mattress. I've been everywhere but my own home for the last three weeks. I've been in North Carolina, I've been in Colorado, I've been in Texas, in Florida,

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And last night was my first night back home in my own bed. Wow slept like a baby. It was like sleeping on a cloud It was it was just an obvious difference. I mean my back doesn't doesn't hurt, I just woke up feeling refreshed. And I have Helix to thank you for that. So if you would like to be like me and have some life changing sleep, go to helixsleep.com slash drink for 27% off site-wide exclusive for listeners of In That's Why We Drink. That's helixsleep.com slash drink for 27% off site-wide exclusive for listeners of In That's Why We Drink. Helixsleep.com slash drink.

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I asked for recommendations at one point, people really threw down and offered a whole lot of stuff. So, I appreciate that. The one that I picked, I thought was pretty good it's kind of quick and so because I don't want to leave any part of Canada ever hanging I also I have a short little fun extra ghost story for you guys at the end. I'm ready. Yay okay so. I'm so excited for my story. Well you gotta get through mine first. I just remembered what mine was. I was like, oh, yeah, that's pretty good.

All right, this is the story of, and please, whether or not you know it, I have anxiety, so clap anyway. Also me, I'm jumping on that train. Thank you. This is the story of Deadman's Island. Deadman's Island. I heard some authentic woos and some pity woos but I like both of them so thank you. I don't know what this is it sounds very scary. Dead Man's Island.

Okay. So it is south of Stanley Park. Okay cool. And you can't look up every time you say another. I'm like yeah no. Stanley Park. We have done a few shows where we like the whole story was based in a town that apparently everyone hated and was like, no. Stanley Park? We have done a few shows where we, the whole story was based in a town that apparently everyone hated. Oh yeah. And we're just like, oh no. I had to switch gears real fast. I was like, you know that shitty town

that I just mentioned? Cause everyone booed when I talked about it. Oh my god. Well everyone seems to like the south of Stanley Park at least. Great. Let's go with that. So this is near Cole Harbor.

Does that make sense? To other people? They might just be doing that because you told them to. Probably. But also, the Canadians are so nice. I know. We don't have anything to worry about. So the island is today a Canadian naval base.

Fun fact. And so, again, I told you they're not really fun. I'm just started. So it started as, it never started as Dead Man's Island. It was originally literally called Island. That's a fun fact. And so- That is a fun fact.

And so there were a few native tribes who lived on the Island in the beginning and the Northern tribes and the Southern tribes at one point were at war with each other. And the Southern tribe had kidnapped 200 of the Northern tribes' women, children, and elderly family members. And so the Southern tribe did the kidnapping,

and they said, we are gonna hold them hostage until the North decides to send over 200 of their best warriors to switch them out and then we'll let everyone go. So they decided the Northern tribe decided okay we're gonna do that so they had 200 of their best warriors go and replace the spots of the women and children the Northern tribe. Are we not saying their name on purpose? No, I didn't find the name. the spots of the women and children the Northern Tribe No, they don't I didn't

Yesterday you said you're like I'm not gonna try to say the name. Oh, yeah, because well also if I knew the name I would probably really not pronounce right okay, but no just checking everywhere online was saying north and south so I okay cool So the southern tribe released the children of women as they said they would, but then immediately killed all of the Northern tribe warriors. They apparently had a whole plan to just shoot them all down with arrows as soon as they got there. Who's laughing? Someone's entertained by that. all the Northern Tribe warriors died that day, the next day all of the flowers on that entire part of the island set on fire by themselves. So all the stems were normal flowers, but the petals were little flames. And so then the Southern Tribe was like, well, fuck that. And so they decided that they were going to leave the land and never come back they called it cursed and then they called it

Dead Man's Island. And so since nobody wanted to live there I don't know if this is the same tribe to kind of answer your question I don't know if this is the same tribe or a new tribe that's moving in but it's called they're called the Squamish Tribe. Okay. And they started using- Good job. Thank you. I waited, I didn't want to say anything

until I heard approval. Thank you. It's fine. So the- Stop it. The Squamish Tribe decided that they were gonna use that part of the island since it was no longer being used. They were going to use it as a cemetery.

It now is a cemetery, but they were putting bodies in wooden coffins. And because they were afraid of the fact that apparently the ground can just catch on fire, they didn't want to bury the coffins. And so they started shoving them in between branches of trees. So the above ground coffins, as they were,

were later relocated by the settlers once they decided they were, were later relocated by the settlers once they decided they were going to use the land and they turned it into a burial ground for them. So they were actually now burying the bodies, but keep in mind they were definitely also disturbing like a native burial ground. So in the 1870s they turned it into a burial ground, but it was more of a dumping ground for any and all corpses that were not wanted. Oh, okay.

So nobody was trying to bury them well. They were just trying to put them under the ground. Oh, Jesus, okay. So bodies that were buried here were merchant seamen, construction workers of the Canadian Pacific Railway, the 21 victims of the Great Fire of 1886, vagrants, outlaws, poor laborers, sex workers, lepers, and societal outcasts. So pretty much like I said anybody that either couldn't afford a nice burial or

no one cared enough to give a nice burial. So eventually the bodies started piling up because there were so many of them that there was nowhere left to bury them. And so a year later, a proper cemetery was actually opened right next door called Mountain View Cemetery. But they were dumped into even more shallow graves. And also they weren't trying to do it like in a plot at all. They were just putting bodies wherever they could under the ground.

So they were just scattered everywhere. And they also weren't clearly getting proper funerals. So this is like three types of cemeteries all in a row that are not being taken, are doing their job. So 1890, right around the island, there are smallpox is showing up in different areas and so people have decided that Dead Man's Island will actually be the quarantine site of people who contract smallpox. Oh my god what? But so they were thinking like oh you can just you can just go here and and then just you know just be

done with smallpox but apparently in 1890 people just die from smallpox instead of get better. Especially if you put them on an island. Right right and so basically that was their plan all along they were calling it a quarantine site but at the same time they pretty much planned that we're just gonna put you on the island we planned on burying you in anyway. Great. So okay then they start considering them quote the walking dead. Oh dear. Because you know, they already, once they already had smallpox, it was pretty much a death sentence.

Right. So they were like, we'll just put you there since we plan on putting you there anyway. That's terrible. Yeah. Yes. In case anyone's wondering. Okay, Canadians. In case anyone's wondering.

Also, I think that today is the record of me saying Canadian in like in one day. I've probably said it a thousand times and every every single time has been in like the best way possible and anytime I've said American that's been like in the worst way possible. And like the most shameful. In the most like the most shameful way. I'm just like oh my god being such an American right now. Well like this is the this is not is probably a very American thing to do too, so. Yeah, somewhat, the guy in the car was like, oh, where are you from?

And I was like, America, like he knows that. He's like, no Canadian did this. We're from the United States. And he's like, I mean, that much I figured out real quick. It took me four seconds. And I felt shame too when I said America. I was like, can't we just all just start saying Canada until it's real?

So, oh yeah yeah smallpox. So many of so since a lot of people just they started just putting them on the island knowing that they would die and didn't try to take any documentation of them so there's a lot of unmarked graves there because they were just burying bodies left and right trying to get them underground. So since there are since it's unmarked, chances are that when they ever decided to make it a naval base, they didn't actually ever exhume all of the bodies. Oh, well yeah, I guess there are a lot of people there now.

Yeah, so in 1899, there was a guy named Theodore, and he leased the island from the federal government, and he said well nobody's doing anything with this island so I'm going to build a lumber mill. Okay. And the officials and locals of towns nearby did not want him to because they thought that the island was originally part of the Stanley Park land grant that said that you can't touch that land. Okay. But he kept trying to find loopholes. Basically he pissed off the police left and right because he kept saying like,

oh, well, I'm gonna do it, here's a loophole. And they're like, well, we don't want you to. And he'd be like, oh, well, here's another loophole. So he just kept finding ways to use the land for himself. So they didn't know if he was legally allowed to be doing whatever he wanted with the land. So they kept fighting him on it. And authorities told him that the island

wasn't a good idea for him to use, it wasn't a good idea for him to use it the way that he wanted to, but he didn't care. So he kept trying to start construction projects on the island. But apparently all of the law enforcement in the area were so against him doing it that they started doing camp camp out nights there they were from like 1909 to like 1930 like for like 20 years they would put different different police like on shifts to spend the night there to avoid him from trying to start a construction project to get the his company built up okay so that's one way to do it I guess I don't know why they were so like hard-pressed on it

but they it works because their plan was to camp out until 1930 when his lease would expire and they actually did it. So in 1909 though so that was at the beginning of when they were trying to do these little sleepovers apparently and so little sleepovers little police sleep So, during one of these nights, it was right when the police started camping out there to keep him from construction. This was when they started feeling the peak of paranormal activity start showing up

because they were on an island all by themselves. And they have reported feeling, they reported hearing disembodied voices screaming at them in the middle of the night. They could hear chains rattling out of their tent. They saw apparitions of skeletons that would scream in their faces. And while the skeletons were screaming, they could also hear bones cracking. What the hell?

So anyway, through 19, so anyway, you know that. Moving on. So through 1930 the police were often there trying to keep him from opening up his company but not knowing what to do with the land after that happened and after his lease expired. Officials wanted to make sure that they were in control of what happened to the land so a lot of people and a lot of citizens in the area said that they wanted to turn it into a museum, a war memorial, or an amusement park, or a dance hall. So it got down to those four things. So a lot of variety. They ended up deciding that they were going to make it a park.

But in 1942... I wish it was the dance hall. was I was I was good for that way fun yeah taking a ferry to the dance hall so love it but in 1942 their plans to make it a park got scrapped because during World War two they needed to look at more places for military bases and so that was when that they that was when they decided that they were gonna make the land the Canadian Royal Navy and Reserve Training Facility. Got it.

It's called HMCS Discovery. Sure. OK. That person really likes it. Sure. OK. What up? So the Navy decided that they were

going to use the island as a naval base, and that's where the reserves go to train. It was named HMCS Discovery after one of the ships used by Captain George Vancouver. Oh, our favorite guy. Yes, and you can only imagine what Captain George Vancouver's name is also attached to. I don't know. Maybe Vancouver. Oh! That was my brain exploding.

So, while the island was now turned into a base, that was when people started regularly reporting supernatural stuff going on. So originally they were like, okay, so the cops said that they heard some weird things. There's like some skeletons screaming all the time. There's some skeletons screaming at you to wake you up. Don't worry, their bones only crack.

Sometimes. They thought at that point it might just be like a legend or a rumor going around town. But now everyone's starting to confirm it that actually is going to the base. And they're like, oh, some shit is going on here. So, basically there were reports of hearing glass breaking, furniture moving on its own, voices whispering, and then shouting casual, screaming in your face again, gurgling, chanting, footsteps. People also experienced being touched and shoved when nobody was there. Some

people said that they were tripped by someone even though no one was there. They could see shadow people, they would see glowing eyes in the fog. They would see unexplained lights rushing towards them at night. And there was pacing footsteps running at them. People reported something hissing their name when they're alone.

Cool. They've heard laughter, loud bangs on the table that you're sitting at. Chains getting, oh, I thought you meant the table I'm sitting at. This exact table, we brought it for you. And it's here, didn't I? Oh, I was about to shove myself away.

No, if you're on your laptop or something, something will smack the table while next to you. Okay, sure. People will also hear chains getting thrown on the floor next to them. They will hear a woman sobbing. They'll hear a man shouting, hey there. Well, that's kinda nice.

And they have, a lot of people have reported seeing a glowing, flickering flame out amongst the trees. And apparently, if you look at it long enough the flame itself will morph into a human shadow a human figure shadow and start walking out of the trees towards you. Okay. Also objects will move on their own and people's items people working there their items will go missing and then show up and random places that there's no way they would have put them there. Yeah, we know that experience. That's creepy.

If you've listened to us bitch and moan about our personal ghost stories, that's a pretty frequent one that happens. It was usually my retainer. I mean, 99% of the time I lost it, but like once or twice, that was not me. I mean, I have personal stories of things like ending up like in the middle of my driveway

and like inside like the shower drain and stuff. It's always like in the middle of my driveway. Yeah, it's very weird. Inside the shower drain and stuff. It's always in the middle of something, which is very spooky. It wants you to know. So also, lights and electronics will go off and on by themselves. Usually they will do the thing you don't want them to do. Of course. And the most activity happens on the base in a building called Building Number One. Clever. And then much like Building Number One. Clever.

And then it's much like Island. Right. Very original. And then the most, and then the other most active area is a storage room that is used as a holding cell, or was used as a holding cell back when the tribes were living there. So legend has it that in that holding cell, one of the people that died that day with the fire flowers, they... I remember those.

Apparently there were a few people in the holding cell who actually died by suicide that day. Oh, shit. So that's why they think that the storage room might have more activity than other parts. So there's a few stories that are, I guess, the most well-known about this island that is now the naval base. So all this island that is now the naval base. So all four of these are from the naval base. One of them is from a...I'm going to say seaman a lot, guys. Just so you know.

This is a weird day. A leading seaman named Anne Marie Hamilton, which I'm very excited that it's a woman because this was in like the 80s or 90s. So, what is she? Who is she? Her name is Anne Marie Hamilton and she's one of the leading sea men too. Oh! Heyo! Um, so, sea woman. So, no one- You realize she's a sea woman, right? Yes. Sea man.

It says- It says. So, uh- I was gonna pretend that was for me, not Anne Marie. Thanks. So no one usually sleeps on the islands, or no one sleeps on the naval base. Usually you just do your work

and then everyone leaves at a certain time. And then there's a guy who has, he's like out by the front gate and makes sure nobody comes in all night. So. Oh, that poor guy. That poor guy. Yeah. Cause he's involved in all of these stories. Oh, no.

So Anne Marie, she actually asked for special permission to stay overnight one weekend to get some of her actual work done. And she decided that she was going to sleep in building number one. Uh-oh. Big mistake. So the first night she's there, she wakes up at 3 AM,

of course, to the sound of two men walking outside of her room and going up the stairwell. She said that she heard them clearly and calmly, as though they weren't trying to be sneaky, they just were having their own conversation. And they were slowly walking up to the third floor, which was the floor above her. She heard them start moving furniture and still talking to each other while also opening and closing the doors for an hour.

So, so she didn't know what was going on, but she assumed that they were probably there to do some manual labor or something, and they were also going to stay the night or had the permission to do so. So the next morning she asked the watchman at the front gate who else stayed in building number one with her, and he said that she was the only person on the whole island, and nobody had come through the gates. Oh, no.

So then she decides to stay for the second night. Oh, what in the world? And so basically for the next night she's there, again at 3 a.m., she woke up to furniture being moved on the floor above her, and she was like, okay, well, I'm just gonna go find out what this is. And I was like, woo, girl! So she went up to see what the sound was or who was there,

but she got to the hall right in front of the room, like up to the doorway, and apparently she felt this like tremendous dread saying don't go in the room. Oh no. And so she went downstairs, and then she went to sleep. This is not how we would behave in any of the above scenarios. No, if I heard furniture moving,

and I knew someone might even be up there that's alive, I'd be like, I don't know about this. Listen, we would not even stay one night on this god damn we'd be like there's 8,000 ghosts I'd be like and there's 8,000 hotel rooms that are not here so let's go to those so I will not be doing any manual labor or whatever she was there right right thank you so in 1991 there was another leading seaman his name was C. Gran sure sure and he was there it is he was stationed at the base as a security guard one night and again the he was the

only person on the island so while he was there he went to the bathroom and of course this happens while he's on the toilet which means like he can't get away he hears the doors in outside of the bathroom slamming open and shut by themselves. And then he also heard doors, I guess it was one building connecting to another so they had like the sliding doors in between. And he heard those, even though they're supposed to be like motion censored, they cut opening and closing by themselves. And so he didn't know what that was. and so he radioed the guy at the front gate and was like, okay, who else is here? And he said, no, you're it. Like, I'm not going there either. Go find you. So he decided that maybe there was someone else that might

have just been leaving late or something like that. But when he got out of the bathroom and looked around, everything was pitch black as he left it and everything was locked, shut, including the motion sensor doors. They couldn't move at all. So he heard that on his own and he also has been quoted saying, I'm a skeptic about the whole thing but when you're by yourself you have a crisis of faith and the next thing you know you're running out of the building. So I think that's his way of saying he's a skeptic, but also he's not an idiot. He's like. No. So the third one is in 1992, another leading seaman.

His name is Jay Eldridge. And he was in the office in building number one by himself when he heard footsteps sprinting down the staircase. Oh, okay. He checked it out and saw that the lights were off in the stairwell and nobody was there. He called the watchman at the front gate who said that he was the only person on the island.

This guy has like one job. He's like, you're it. He's like, that's it. Nope, and I'm not gonna come help you. After I'm done with these stories, I feel like that guy, if he gets like a beep on his radio, he's like, oh, I don't even wanna know.

I'm just gonna tell them they're alone before they say anything. Leave me to my Sudoku and stop calling me. Do we know his name or no? No, we don't know his name. Just brave soul. So, um. I love that guy though. So he says, no, you're the only one on the island and so Eldridge decides that he's gonna go upstairs and find out for himself what is making the sound and so he, as soon as he hangs up the phone hearing that he's alone on the island right he hears loud laughter okay and

then the he hears the furniture dragging in the room directly above him what is it these people in furniture I don't know I don't know I don't know so the last thing I'd want to do if I were a ghost? Like, for eternity, just hate what you're doing. I already tried hard to avoid it now while I'm alive. So as he got up from his seat to go walk upstairs and check out the scene, the sound stopped instantly. Sure. And then as soon as he sat down, the sounds

started happening again. And they played this weird back and forth for a while, where as soon as he would give up on going to check The sounds would happen the laughter and the furniture and then when he would get up and go up the stairs nothing all the sounds would go away, so He played that for a while And then eventually he decided to leave when he realized that the lights and the stairwell were now on by themselves Okay, so

There's another story pretty similar to that that happened two years later with Petty Officer Lowe. And one morning he was upstairs and heard people talking and stomping around in the mess hall below him. But he knew he was the only one that was there. So he went downstairs to figure out who had come in early, but the mess hall was empty. And when he got back upstairs, the noise started again. Then he went down. No one was there. So they just like to mess with you apparently. So that actually, I feel like I've told this story before, but at my dad's house, we have a ghost that does that, which is just the worst.

He, we think this ghost's name is Charlie. For any reason or just cause? Because there's, well, he also like has a little graveyard in the backyard from the last people who lived here. Right. And my stepmom has actually seen this spirit and it looks like a young boy and the only young boy that has a grave marker, his name was Charlie.

Oh, well that makes sense. But so, there are times where we'll be sleeping and then all of a sudden it sounds like someone just turned on all the music and there's 50 people in the living room and everyone just having the best fucking night of their lives. And then you open the door, you just open your door to even go out there and all the sound goes away.

And then if you close the door all of a sudden you'll hear the music starting up again. This small child was like a party or something. Yeah, a little rager. Seriously. Rager in the making. It's much more exciting than whatever I did when I was nine. And so he, basically that guy. Someone thinks I'm funny. But no so that that ghost is an asshole. So yeah anyway I I'm glad that I don't live there

anymore because that guy was annoying. So uh that was the end of Dead Men's Island, but I do have a bonus one for you real quick. Thank you. So a lot of people asked about this one, so I wanted to make sure that I put it in, because I wanted to originally cover this one too, but it didn't seem like there was a lot of information, but also since there's not a lot of information, that means I can throw it in and like we can all get two stories in one so yeah. So this is the very quick abridged story of Highcroft Manor. Okay. I don't know what that is. So it's in the upscale neighborhood Google All right. I clearly, everyone knows I love Canada. I don't have to prove myself. It's Shaughnessy. So it's Shauga Hinesy. Yes. There it is. So in 1911 the Highcroft Manor was built for General Alexander Duncan McRae, who was a local

politician and a World War I hero. In the 1920s and 1930s, he and his wife were elite socialists. Socialites. I, okay, I thought that's where we were going and then you like turned. Eva, delete that. So, Eva, don't delete that. Leave it in. They held... And turn the volume up a little bit. Right, right. And just actually put it on loop for the entire hour. Yeah. And keep the shogunacy thing in too.

Right. So they were elite social lights. Correct. And they held extravagant parties in the manor. In 1942, they donated the manor to the Canadian government. Well, that's nice. Yeah, casual. Okay.

And the building ended up becoming a hospital for war vets until 1960, where it became so deteriorated that it just ended up being a vacant building. What if you'd said that they were socialists and then you were like, and then they donated their house to the government? Right. I was like, that makes no sense. Just throwing a lot of cool facts at you and seeing what sticks. This is fun. I was like, none of this makes any sense. Just throwing a lot of cool facts at you and seeing what sticks.

This is fun, I like it. So in 1962, the University Women's Club of Vancouver, all right, yeah, they purchased the place and restored the manor to look exactly how it did back in 1911. And in, yeah, woohoo. 1911, cool. And so the building is a 30 room structure and it is now a first

class venue for events and gatherings there are seven ghosts which I thought would mean that there's like a lot of material but apparently not so I'm sorry about that I really got really hyped up and then I was like, oh so There are seven ghosts that Apparently walk throughout the house walk past the doorways go up the stairs You'll see them pass you when you're on the bottom floor, but you'll see them by the balcony And sitting in rooms, etc. Just doing ghosting chillin just like you're not moving the furniture. I would hope please Yeah, they're nice, at least.

They're like smart and don't need to do manual labor in the afterlife. Well, so apparently the first one is an older man dressed in a World War I officer's uniform, so I think that might be General McRae. There's also a well-dressed lady who walks up and down the hallways at all hours, who we think that might be his wife. OK.

There's a woman in a nurse's uniform, and there are three different army veterans that are all very active in the house and known as the pranksters. Oh, I love that. And apparently they just do all the really annoying things to a staff, including like opening and closing doors, unlocking things once you've locked them,

fucking with the lights. Anything you don't want them to do they'll probably do. And then they say there's seven but I've seen that there's actually kind of also an eighth ghost. So the seventh one is a crying man. Oh, whoa. Someone's like, yeah, hell yeah.

Loud sobbing that's heard from the bottom floor. And every time you go downstairs to see what's going on, nobody's there. Sometimes something will be moving by itself, though, as if something was there. And in the 1970s, in a lockdown investigation, there was a investigator that actually heard the crying and then saw a football-sized solid black orb

float over the dining table at him, which is extra creepy to me because usually orbs are like white and see-through and usually you can, you know, excuse it as dust or something. But if it's solid black and it's coming directly at you, that's pretty terrifying. And it's a football-size. Oh.

So staff say that the spirits haunting the manor are mostly peaceful and protective, and the bonus ghost is a crying baby that is sometimes heard in a bedroom, and when you go and look in the bedroom to see what baby is there, no one is, and the crying stops. That's sad.

The spirits are most active when the manor is being used as a filming location, I guess because there's a lot of people in there that are all kind of stressed, and it feeds off that, so. And they like wanna get a job done, and the ghosts are is being used as a filming location, I guess because there's a lot of people in there that are all kind of stressed and it feeds off that. And they want to get a job done and the ghosts are like, nah. Yeah, exactly. They're like, oh, you wanted your camera to turn on?

No. We have other plans. So they were especially active when there was a film crew on the location for a few episodes of The X-Files, which is kind of cool because it was paranormal. My favorite show. So I thought that was interesting.

They were like, oh, I read the script. This shit's good. Or they're like, now this isn't correct. It's like, I'll give you the real deal. Real quick, hang on. Also during the filming of the movie Catwoman, that's, nope, OK. The one six.

Wait, isn't that like the Halle Berry one? No. Is that something else? I don't know. Okay, because that was a bad movie. Well, they used the Highcroft Manor for that, whoops. And so, one security guard, while that was supposed to be there

to watch out for the cast, he was taking pictures. He heard it was haunted and wanted to see if he could get anything on camera. And he found a humanoid white mist in the doorways. Staff have also said that they frequently get a quote spine chilling tingle when they walk into certain rooms and one of the staff members has said you get that cold chill right up your spine that stands all your hairs up on end it's not the kind that you feel where you think oh it's cold it's the kind where you feel where you think, oh it's cold. It's the kind where you feel and you think that there's something that might give you a little worry.

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Alright guys, so I actually this is a little gift for him because we're in this is a little gift for Em. Because we are in your homeland. My homeland. It's like, I don't know, I'm just gonna go with it. Because we are in your favorite place with a U, favorite with a U. Oh! I'm such a weirdo, I literally- Did everyone see Coloring Book without the U? Sorry, that's the most American coloring book. I literally put a U in like a big weirdo because I was like I'll have to remember that. Right, right, right. Okay so this is uh in honor of you being in Canada for the first time. I picked a story just for you. This is the Vancouver

milkshake murder. Sorry everyone. Remember you have a microphone an inch from your face. I forgot, but it's okay. Guys, this is a very wild ride. Okay, but I Googled like true crime Vancouver and this was one of the first things that came up and I was like, well, fate, I mean, I'm not even gonna look for anything else. So.

The universe knew. The universe knew. Or you were like fucking with my Google, I don't know. It's entirely possible. Okay, so I was listening to a lovely show called the Dark Poutine Podcast. Cheers. A lovely Canadian true crime show

that I've actually been meaning to shout out for a while because they're great. But so they, thanks to them for some of this info. Okay, we are going to go back to the mid 1960s in Vancouver, obviously. This guy named Rene Castellani, Rene with one E, like the French one. Rene. There it is. Castellani, so let's throw some Italian in there, I guess, was a local radio personality at popular radio station CKNW. Is that still a thing?

I heard no and yeah, so who's to say? Let's go with yeah, that's more fun for the show. He was a promo man known for his stunts, sometimes wearing a gorilla suit to promote the radio station. He was also known for his on-air pranks, which earned him the title of the Dizzy Dialer. Ooh. Yes. Ooh, I like it.

In the 1960s, I think that was just like very classic, very exciting of a name, the Dizzy Dialer. So one of his more famous pranks was when he would pretend to be, well, here we go. He would pretend to be an Indian Maharaja, which is Sanskrit for ruler or king. Oh no. So that's great. He pretended to be the Indian Maharaja of Alibaba. Yikes. Going so far as to take out ads on bus boards saying he wanted to buy British Columbia. And there was like no purpose

for this just to like fuck with people so I don don't really understand, but I don't know. It's a weird place. He stayed at the Westin Bayshore dressed as an Indian prince, and he would ride around in limousines with bodyguards and an entourage of dancing girls. Me too. Yeah. That's how Em spent their day in India. It's casual.

So this campaign, I guess is what it was called, was so effective that outraged locals made up signs shouting, keep BC British, because they believe he was truly like this Indian royalty. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Caslani, he married his wife Esther on July 16th 1946. They were both 21. By 1965 the two of them were living in a duplex with their 12 year old daughter Janine.

This was in Vancouver's Carisdale neighborhood. Okay I forgot to write down the pronunciation. Let's go with that. Esther was the manager of a children's clothing store and by all accounts they were a pretty happy couple. However, in early 1965 the phone rang in the middle of the night. Esther picked up the phone and heard a woman's voice ask, Do you know your husband is going around with someone else? And then when she tried to ask questions the caller hung up. So yeah, she was not happy about that. So Esther didn't tell Renee about the call. Instead, she obviously was suspicious

and she kind of started snooping around to see what was going on. Right. Before she accused him of anything. She found a letter in his coat pocket and the letter was a love note from someone signed Lolly. It turns out Lolly was a nickname of a woman named Adelaide

Miller, a recently widowed single mother of a six-year-old son who just so happened to work as a receptionist at the radio station CKNW. Oh no. Yeah so she was like, Lolly. Lolly. Please don't take my man. That's what she said. So co-workers at the station like already knew that this was happening because they were apparently very obvious and weren't very subtle about their affair. Let's just put it that way. In fact they had been together for over a year at this point by the time she found out so it was kind of like well yeah we already knew about this but sorry you had to find out too.

It's not clear whether the caller was a co-worker or maybe even Lolly herself trying to break them up. So even to this day people don't know who actually called to kind of like spill the beans to Esther. Got it. So incidentally around this time Esther started to feel pretty unwell and her health kind of plummeted. She began to suffer from stomach and lower back pain severe enough to keep her off work. At first most of her friends didn't think too much of it because apparently she had a terrible diet She smoked excessively and she drank way too much coffee. I Was like she drank too much. Oh coffee what like Apparently that was

Bad deal got it in the 60s I don't know But so pretty soon she began to develop bouts of nausea and diarrhea which quickly turned into intense pain and vomiting. Her fingers and toes went numb and she lost the ability to walk or use her hands. Oh my god. So she like deteriorated very quickly. Wow.

She saw several specialists who either couldn't pinpoint her illness or blamed sodium retention. Okay. cool. Or gallbladder problems brought on by her diet. She spent seven weeks in the hospital and went through more than 120 different tests, everything from cancer to thyroid problems, gallbladder issues, but nothing came back abnormal, and so they just couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong with her. Yeah, don't get me started on that.

A million reasons why I love Canada, not America. Okay. Okay. Thank God, Esther's lovely husband, Renée, was kind enough to bring home Esther's favorite milkshake for her every day after work. I don't like this. They were disrespectful to milkshakes. They were one of the only foods Esther could manage to keep down because of her illness. The milkshakes were from a place called White Spot. Cool. I don't think White Spot's proud of this story though. Maybe not. But they were the only thing she could keep down so maybe so wait what whoo in May of 1965 Lolly was fired for her affair

with Renee because you know she's the lady so let's get rid of her sure that's how it works the one in the gorilla costume so he gets to stay who. Whoo, he was obviously not fired. He got to stay on. Unfortunately for Esther though, the affair continued despite Lolly being fired. And Esther's illness only got worse. In June of 1965, Rene pulled another weird stunt for the radio station. Perhaps his most noteworthy, it was called Guy in the Sky. And it was an auto promotion in which he stood on top of Vancouver's iconic BOMAC sign on Broadway is that a thing it's now a Toys R Us sign or something okay no okay I don't know I'm

not from here god ask M okay by by, listen, when I was listening to Dark Poutine, it was a, not Trader Joe's, hold on. Toys R Us sign. Still it, thank you, okay. Right, so he stood on top of this sign, that's all we gotta say, he stood on top of a large sign. And he did not leave until every vehicle on the lot was sold, which took nine days. So he just stood up there for literally nine days

and people would have to like bring him water and snacks. During this time lo and behold what a miracle Esther's health finally improved. But once Renee returned off of his sign so did Esther's symptoms. Whomp, whomp. Hmm, interesting, interesting. What a weird correlation. So she, at this point, couldn't keep water down. She had a blister-like rash all over her body. By June, her condition had worsened so drastically that she had to be put on oxygen and hospitalized permanently.

During this time, Renee had displayed a remarkable lack of empathy for his dying wife. Shocking. He had begun house hunting with Lolly and even signed paperwork for a mortgage that claimed they were married. So they were like already moving on. Right. They were on their way. They were on their way. He had given Lolly Esther's fur coat also, which I just was like that's fucking rude. I just kept that in there. I just thought that was very evil. Like this lady's in the hospital

and you're just giving away her possessions. So when his mother-in-law asked about Esther's failing health, he replied, quote, when a house burns down, I don't look for a fire. I look around to build a new house. Oh my God. So this guy's a bad, bad man. He's a bad apple.

Yes. By early July, Esther was dead, unfortunately. The day after his wife's funeral, Renee took their daughter Janine, Lolly, and Lolly's son Don on a trip to Disneyland. What? The day after the funeral. One of Esther's doctors, his name was Dr. Bernard Moskovich,

he was haunted by Esther's death, and he was kind of like the main guy who was testing her left and right and trying to figure out what was going on. So when she passed away, he requested an autopsy, and for whatever reason, Renee was like, yeah, sure, you can do it, because they needed his approval.

So I guess he was just feeling extra confident because he just signed off on it and went to Disneyland. Very ballsy. Yeah, very ballsy. And that's when Dr. Moskovich realized he had missed something, a glaring clue all along, which is that arsenic mimics gastroenteritis. Oh.

Yeah, there it is. I think we all saw that coming, but surprise, surprise. He realized she had been poisoned. In fact, a second autopsy found that Esther's liver contained arsenic concentrations 1,500 times higher than normal. Oh my God. Wow. And there were concentrations 800 times above average in her heart. Oh my God.

So like almost immediately the case was declared a homicide. And Renee obviously became the prime suspect. Right. Especially once word got out about Lolly and her new fur coat, I guess. Right, right, right. So it didn't help that police also found a box of something called Orthotriox, a weed killer with high levels of arsenic under his kitchen sink,

half empty. That'll do it. Oh, what a dummy. Samples of Esther's hair were sent to Toronto for analysis by forensic scientist Norm Erickson. They used the hair to determine when Esther had been poisoned. You know how they can like test how long it's been in your body with your hair?

Right. So they did that. And shockingly, well not shockingly, even a little bit, the portion of hair that aligned with the nine days when he was on top of the sign showed no sign of arsenic entering her system. And every other period around those nine days did. It also showed that the poisoning resumed after his return

and his daily milkshakes coming back to the house for Esther. Got it. That's right, he had committed the ultimate crime, poisoning someone's milkshake in Canada. Wait, but that, you nailed it. Thank you. Nailed it. Me three weeks ago, I was very pleased. Oh good. Oh boy. Hold on, I lost my place. Okay, I got really worked up. So as we all probably know by now, Renee had added arsenic into Esther's milkshake every single day on the way home from work.

In spring of 1966, Renee and Lolly were busy planning their wedding when Renee was suddenly arrested and charged with the first degree murder of his wife Esther. At the time, this was a capital offense punishable by hanging. He pled not guilty, shocker, and the case went to trial. Renee maintained his innocence all the way through the trial, and poor Janine, the daughter, at this point, she's only 13,

was forced to testify in court on her father's behalf as like a character witness for her father. Oh, yikes. Despite mostly circumstantial evidence, the jury quickly convicted Renee Castellani of his wife's murder and sentenced him to hang only three months later. When... I don't know whether to be... We'll let you decide. That's on you guys. I don't know. I always like rush through the sentences because I'm like I don't know if cheering... I don't know. What do we

do? We'll let you decide. Okay, um right. So when Janine's father was sent to jail, Janine, sadly, obviously had no one left. She actually lived with Lolly and Lolly's son, Don, for a while. But then when Lolly met a new man, she pawned Janine off on an aunt. And Janine had no parental figure left. Oh, no.

Very fucked up. Very sad. Luckily for Renee, just two weeks before his hanging, Canada suspended the death penalty and commuted his case to life imprisonment. Wow. No. Very fucked up, very sad. Luckily for Rene, just two weeks before his hanging, Canada suspended the death penalty and commuted his case to life imprisonment. Wow. So woo yay boo.

I don't know. Woo yay boo. There's a whole. Wait, can that be a word that we start woo yay boo? Just. You decide. Woo yay boo. Just covers all the spectrum of possible reactions.

Yeah. You heard it here first. We're going to start using that now. Trademark, trademark, trademark. Don't steal that. OK. I'm lost. Woo-yea-boo is where you went.

Woo-yea-boo, woo-yea-boo. Right, so within two years, so they suspended the death penalty. He was spared three weeks before his execution. Woo. Yay. Boo. Within two years, Renee was doing community service playing Santa Claus. Boo boo boo boo boo boo.

Can we agree that's a boo? That's a straight boo. Within five, he had weakened passes out of jail. And within 10 years, he was fully paroled and back to working at the radio station. What? Yeah, that radio station. Not pretty. Needs to figure out how they're hiring people.

But whether this is karma or whatnot, Renee actually passed away shortly after his parole dying from cancer in 1982, so he wasn't even out for like two years before he passed away. Moving on. Boo-yea-boo, without cancer. We get a lot of emails. I don't want Eva to have to work with that tonight. At the funeral, Renee's daughter Janine was asked not to speak because his most recent wife didn't know anything about his past as a convicted murderer.

So they're like, oh, you can't say anything in case you let it slip that your dad murdered your mom. What the fuck? Can you imagine not? Right, so for many years after her father's son and saying Janine clung to her dad's innocence because she just couldn't really like let herself believe that she had lost both parents in that way.

And so she had essentially lost both her parents. It wasn't until her 20s that she finally accepted that her father had killed her mother. She's now in her 60s and she has been described as a kind, brave woman. She has two now in her 60s, and she has been described as a kind, brave woman. She has two kids in their 30s, and is by all accounts an awesome mother. There's actually a milkshake murder exhibit

at the Vancouver Police Museum. Wait a minute. Yeah. Wait a minute. As far as when I listened to that episode, I don't know. If you guys want to check it out, and I guess if we want to check it out at 4 a.m. before our flight.

Yeah. They also have the now illegal weed killer that Renee used on display, like the box of weed killer. Oh, wow. And they also have the chart from the hospital that displays the amounts of arsenic in the different parts of Esther's body.

So it's like wildly fucked up. That's dark. Yeah, it's very dark. Only a few months ago actually, so in October of 2018, an author named Eve Lazarus released a book about. Is that you? Are you Eve? I got really excited. Hey, girl. We love you.

We do love Eve Lazarus. OK, so in October 2018, an author named Eve Lazarus released a book about the case called Murder by Milkshake, an astonishing true story of adultery, arsenic and a charismatic killer. I know. Good title, you picked a good one. It is a good title. So Eve, for the book, Eve actually interviewed Janine, who's now 65. She said she still has a hard time coping with her family's past, obviously. She explained to Eve that all the things she said on the stand were lies and she'd actually been told exactly what like the lines to say in her father's defense on the stage

So she admits that she committed perjury, but she didn't know she was 13 got it And so she said none of it was true. She read the book actually which must have been a very hard thing for her to do She read the book. She gained a lot of understanding from it She said and she was actually at the book launch in October, so that's kind of cool. Yeah, so she's kind of like standing up for everything. Got it. She summed her experience up in one sentence. She said, I am not past the anger yet, but I am hoping to get there soon.

And that is a story of Vancouver's milkshake murder. Oh, cool. Whoo. Good pick. What a wild time. Drama, milkshakes, Canada. Love it. I like stumbled upon it. It was pretty exciting. Thank you guys. I appreciate you humoring me. Thank you. I appreciate you very deeply. Thank you Canada. We're very happy. Thank you, Canada. We are very happy.

Thank you guys so, so much, Canada! Thank you, thank you, thank you!