And That's Why We Drink - E443 A Chicken Run Playlist and a License to Clown - featuring Ladies & Tangents

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

Welcome to Episode 443’s sleepover with our friends Jeri and Ciara from Ladies & Tangents! You don’t want to be tardy for this party! So grab your coziest blanket and your favorite sleepover snacks and join us for some classic spooky urban legends that we may want to erase from our brains later. And is icing the Zoloft of baked goods? …and that’s why we tangent! Check out the And That’s Why We Tangent Spotify playlist here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0484ZdPtSBA4KVEqjGPeM1?si=NlwSJcmPTHyR6AjeC_aYKQ&pi=-mHFDRCXSmOh4 Want to go see the Ladies & Tangents Girls Gone Mild Tour? Visit https://www.ladiesandtangents.com/live-show for more info! Or catch them on socials @ladiesandtangents or listen wherever you get your podcasts! Want to hear more from us? Subscribe to our bonus Yappy Hours on Patreon or Apple Podcasts! http://patreon.com/ATWWDPodcast___________________For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to http://nutrafol.com/ and enter the promo code DRINK. Start paying rent through Bilt and take advantage of your Neighborhood Benefits™ by going to http://joinbilt.com/DRINK. Visit http://cornbreadhemp.com/drink and use code DRINK at checkout for 30% off your first order! Sign up for HelloFresh at http://hellofresh.com/DRINK10FM and get 10 free meals with a free item for life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We've never had a sleepover on our own show, which is wild. That feels like something we should have done by now. We've had sleep a sleepover on our own show, which is wild. That feels like something we should have done by now. We've had sleepovers, like incidentally, you and I on the show, but not part of the show. Yeah, but not with guests, which is very exciting. We have Ladies in Tangents with us. We're very excited and we are all in our sleepover attire because someone is going on tour August 20th and it is sleepover themed, yes? Yes it is. The girl's gone mild tour.

Delicious. Can I ask what made you pick sleepover as the vibe? So Sierra and I are cousins and I mean that answers the question for me. cousins and- I mean, that answers the question for me. The first one was cousins, but yes, go on. When we started the podcast, we wanted it to feel like sleepover vibes, but as adults, it's just like not necessarily a thing that you do with your friends all the time.

So it was like, we want you to feel comfortable like you're at a sleepover, but we don't want you to have to leave your house. That's right. And then you get to go home. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Except now we do want you to leave your house and come see us on tour. Just for a little bit.

Just a little bit. It's the event you do before the sleepover, but it just happens to coincide with the sleepover vibe. I love it. Exactly. And we told everybody, we were like, come comfy, wear your pajamas, wear your sweatpants. We want you to come cozy.

You know why? Cause guess what? I'm coming to your Cincinnati show. Yay. Okay. I'm so excited. And Eva just informed me that she is also coming because she was looking at the tour list and was like, which one can I go to?

And said, surprise, I'm coming to the Cincinnati show. So Emma, you want to get a ticket? I did look at the tour dates. I did not see Los Angeles. So if I'm going anywhere, I guess it's Cincinnati. Yeah, I guess that defeats the purpose of staying in for a slumber party, but you know, it's fine. My house has room for everything. It sounds like you would just have like, it'll just be our own individual sleepover at your

house, Christine, you know? Oh yeah. I'm kind of excited about this. It's sort of like, oh, we're doing like a pre-sleepover before the big party at your sleepover, your real big sleepover with everybody else. I'm very excited. I also I really appreciate that. That's the reasoning why you went with it because I have complained about this so many times in my adult life that nobody wants to have a sleepover anymore. It makes me so mad. I am okay. But M M wants to sleep over to last all night, right? Yeah, I want a classic sleepover. Everyone else wants to go to bed at an adult time, and I'm like, that's not a sleepover. I just want to go into my own bed.

That's where I divert. We just talked about this because I was at her house for the UFC fights the other night. And we care so much about the fights. It wasn't for us And we care so much about the fight. It wasn't for us. We care so much about the fights. Really, we were upstairs. We were playing card games.

We were playing games and I almost lost my voice playing Flip 7, which literally is just a card game where you try not to get the same number that you already have in your hand. It's like gambling. This really I almost successfully made it the entire game without scoring a single point. I feel like the noises you're making probably were actually apropos for the UFC

fight downstairs. Like it probably probably were in the audience for. We were louder than the guys downstairs. I will say that. That's how it should be at a sleepover. Yeah. Yes. But we were saying we like to host parties at our own houses so we can leave and go sleep. And go to my bed and everyone else figure your shit out. Yeah. The number of times Emma has had to just like wander around. Oh sorry, go ahead.

No, you're good. I was just gonna say the number of times Emma's had to wander around my home to find like a flat surface to lay on. Cause I'm like, I'm going to bed now with my husband, bye. Yeah, yeah. There's something to be said about wanting a sleepover and everyone's married with kids and it's like,

well, I guess I'll just sleep at your house while you live your life. Yeah. It's not the same. It's not the same. Everybody's up at the time that you're going to bed and you're like, what's happening? I was trying to go to bed at 7 a.m.

There's kids running around. Leona found you on the couch and is trying to like get you off so she can watch Dino Ranch. I'm just trying to invest. So you understand. I found you on the couch and is trying to like get you off so she can watch Dino Ranch. I'm just trying to invest. You're doing what to me on the couch? Dino Ranch? I heard get me off the, getting me off.

Oh, well. Well, you guys have buried your minds. Yeah, let's put me and Christine's baby. What the? Jesus. I think you missed a crucial part. All I heard was they're on the couch and I'm trying to get you off.

And I was like, what do you wear? I see where the mix of that kind of slumber party. I did miss a crucial point. I heard Dino Ranch and I was like, I think I definitely did this. Yeah, Dino Ranch is where things... Dino Ranch is playing the whole time. So it does also get them off, but that's beside the point.

I will tell you, there is a person who I was a teacher before I did this. Now I can never be a teacher again, obviously, because of the things I've said on the internet. But I had told her a story about how I was being intimate with my partner at the time. And I looked up and the movie had stopped playing and Chicken Run was the next suggested movie. And the chicken from Chicken Run was like this, staring at us.

And so my contact image ever since has been the chicken from Chicken Run on her phone. You can't come back from a story like that without consequences. Like your contact photo changing to a chicken. Can I make you feel safe for a second? I don't want you to lose sleep over having said that publicly. So I'm going to tell you that probably one of the most memorable intimate experiences I've had was also the Chicken Run.

It's a universal experience. I don't know what's, what were you watching? I'm on the album. I don't know, but chicken run thing, rise up. And it was the whole time it was the Wallace and Gromit like hands doing this. Anyway, I just wanted you to not feel alone. I'm so sorry to everybody. Who knew this was such a formality, millennial experience? Oh my God, this is the best sleepover ever. We're like, what is sleepover?

This is what you're missing when you go to bed at seven with your husband, Christine. Okay, I don't go to bed with my husband. I go to bed in my Helix mattress bed that's very comfortable. He just happens to be there. That's not my problem. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Anyway, I actually, I feel less alone. So thank you for that. I appreciate that. You're so welcome. That's not my problem. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I actually, I feel less alone. So thank you for that. You're so welcome. That was actually like the most powerful bonding moment I've ever witnessed at a sleepover. It was really nice. And that's what sleepovers are for. That's so beautiful, guys. Girlhood forever, you know? Well, I think what we were going to do today is because we both apparently,

what we were gonna do today is because we both apparently, you two and us two accidentally, sort of unsurprisingly came up with the same topic idea for today, which is to bring, well, it's kind of obvious, I guess, but to bring scary sleepover stories and then maybe like a related or parallel, like real life experience that happened at a sleepover that would be fun to share.

So I was thinking, yeah, you guys maybe share yours and then we're gonna actually be on Ladies in Tangents pretty soon and then Em and I are gonna share ours and I've been brainstorming very thoroughly. Christine is gonna win the competition by the way. If this is a contest, Christine is the creepiest. First of all, she grew up on the creepiest house on earth. Then every time she opens her house, she's like,

oh, and did I ever tell you about Carl with the white glove who like walked around in our graveyard? Like it's, so she's in a whole league of her own. Yeah, yeah, well, challenge accepted. Yeah, I like this. I like this a lot. Yeah, I like this energy. Let's all just bring the best to the table.

I did, the only flash I could find is the one I used to look for cat pee on the carpets. So I thought maybe I could like hold this up. I swear if it lights up Christine, I'm going to be sick. Take a shower. You guys, I was watching chicken run. It was a whole experience. Excellent callback work.

Anyway, I'm going to turn that off because now I'm really anxious about this. It was a whole experience. Excellent callback work, Kristy. Thank you, you had to be there. Anyway, I'm gonna turn that off because now I'm really anxious about this, like, intrusive thought that you've had in life. Of what's gonna light up. Yeah, like, where could it be? And to be honest, I don't trust myself enough to know, so. Everyone, imagine what your dream hair could look like.

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I kind of just came prepared with more of a, it's a urban legend-y type stories that were- We have my favorite stories. This is already more structured than I've ever kind of contributed to a podcast, so. I actually appreciate, This is already more structured than I've ever kind of contributed to a podcast. I actually appreciate that because I say, oh, I'm on the circuit. No, I'm not.

I've only once covered an urban, like a sleepover urban legend recently. I did the girl with the green ribbon around her neck. Oh yeah. That was one of the ones I was looking at. Okay, perfect. I'm glad I didn't pick that one. But I'm on the kick. So whatever you got, I'm down. Okay, perfect. Can we glad I didn't pick that one. But I'm on the kick. So whatever you got, I'm really, I'm down.

Okay, perfect. Can we pause for just a second? Can we move? Jerry's dog is going ham on a bone right now and it is genuinely my ADHD. It's all I can focus on. Yeah, yeah. Before we started recording, I just...

Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there, Christine. No, no, go, go. Before he recorded, I just hid all of his his favorite toys which are all the ones he likes to slam onto the hardwood so annoying I feel like I'm okay but as soon as I 50 50 chance he's gonna bring it back in immediately I'm surprised it's even 50 50 my dogs like 99 but I will say last night yesterday afternoon I had an this is so crazy as a call about my final will and testament. And I blazed with six, so I had to do it by myself.

And the entire time Gia was next to me, like chewing on this phone. And at one point this attorney, I thought I was muted. And she's like, sorry, what is that sound? And I was like, okay, I am in my bed and my dog is drooling everywhere. And you noticed, cool. Cool, cool, yep, I promise.

Thank you for doing my last will and testament and all of these important things. Because I will be passing away soon. I'm about to die. Thank you. That happened to Sierra once when she was nursing. Oh my God, yeah, okay. So whenever I had Sawyer, I went right back to work.

I mean, right back to work. We were taking meetings and she was like two weeks old, maybe like 10 days, okay? So I'm still breastfeeding her and I can't like have Cory hold her while it's going on. She'll just scream the entire time. So I'm trying to do it. Anyways, as soon as the guy who I've never talked to before

answers the call, cause we're on hold for a minute. This is our touring agent. Yeah, he goes, hello? And she comes off and immediately like screeches, as babies do. Unlatches, screeches. He goes, was that a horse? No, no, I'm not riding my horse.

I am breastfeeding my child. Thank you very much. Mamacita? I feel like he was more embarrassed by what I said. He probably was like, uh-oh, I'm going to get sued now or something. Right, right. I was like, I'm a working mother. Leave me alone.

Right, Sue, you know. Yes. Okay, so this story is one of my favorite stories that used to be told at almost all of our sleepovers when me and Jerry were young. Uh, and it's, I mean, I'm not saying that it didn't happen allegedly, but, uh, animal lovers might not like this one. So just be aware. Oh, I sort of decided.

So scared. One night, long, long, long ago, a young woman our age, our age, obviously in her 30s. It's so weird because I remember hearing that story on the bus and she was like 11 and now she's 35. Yeah, our age never changes. I always heard it as like, I like how we all already know exactly what's gonna happen. All you said is a woman. But I've always thought that she was like, living on her own in her own place.

And I was like, oh, decrepit. And now you're saying a woman our age. And I'm like, oh no, it's not. I feel like she's actually, she's an old lady, a grandmother in her 30s. She's a spinster of the high school. The scariest part of this so far. Yep.

So, she lives at home alone with her dog, and she's just loving life, okay? Having a grand old time. She's smart, practical, and self-sufficient, so she doesn't panic whenever an alert on her phone informs her that a serial killer has escaped from a nearby prison. With her dog in her heels. You have a note, Em? Em's raising their hand for some reason. I love that it's modern time

and you're saying an alert on her phone, like as if that was part of it in the 90s. Okay, I was gonna say, do we get alerts about... Like on the radio? You know how one does like it's a tornado. Be here with me. We're in the 90s. An alert on her phone.

I love that you're keeping like with the times though so other like younger kids today will hear it. No, I love it. She's growing. She's aging with us. You know, like she's our age now. It has to, it has to. It's a classic. Okay, so with the dog at her heels, she surveys her house, locking her doors and her windows,

and she curls up in bed with a book just to get ready for the night, but she forgets to latch one window. Her dog, who normally sleeps at the foot of her bed with her, is laying there, just waiting for her to fall asleep. After she does, the girl soon awakens because she hears a distant dripping sound. Excuse me one second.

The man is awake. The man in the house is awake and I don't think he knew that I was gonna be here. That was the best jump scare you guys ever did. There's a man here. Imagine like we were at a sleepover and someone's dad walked in right at like crucial moment. That's exactly what I felt like.

Everyone's screaming. Everyone's screaming. He was alone. That's exactly what I felt like. I just got horrified. The man is here. Okay, so, excuse me, we're back. There's drippage happening, okay?

Half awake, she checks the kitchen faucet and the bathroom faucet, but she gives up because neither are dripping and she returns to bed putting her hand down by the bed because it comforts her when her dog gives her a little lick on the hand when she's nervous, which he does. I'll tell you what will not comfort me.

A dog's mouth on my hand. Just licking in general saliva. Sensory overload. Yeah, these people had no clue what they were talking about. No. Again, she's roused from her slumber by a drip drip, dripping noise. She leans her hand down feels her dog and goes back to sleep. I love that she is so fucking unbothered.

She doesn't check the Citizen app again for any updates about the serial killer. Like, who gives a shit? I don't care. I got my dog. Don't care as long as I've got your tongue with me. Water damage. Water damage. I have insurance. I can't. Obviously, she really wasn't 30.

She was more like, this was her first apartment because she's like, you hear her dripping and you're like, okay, good night. I'll worry about tomorrow. Yeah, not my problem. The place is flooded. 100%, 100%. So for this story, she's gonna be 19.

Okay. Okay. The third time, finally, she's like, I think I should figure out what's going on here. So she hops out of bed, determined to locate the source of the incessant noise and heads for the bathroom. When she flips on the light, the scene that greets her is horrific.

Her beloved dog is hanging. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. From the shower nozzle. Jesus Christ. With its trigger warning, guys, this is not good. Also, if you grew up in the 90s, you already know what's happening here. I mean, you know, we all heard this at least once.

Why did I forget? You did? And I think we told this story on the podcast before. I think we've talked about this before. It's one of my favorites. That's why I picked it. Oh, Jerry apparently keeps trying to black it out. We keep bringing it back up.

Sorry. The dog has its... Well, it's bleeding. I don't need to tell you the details. Is that what the dripping was the whole time? The dripping is the blood dripping onto the ceramic tub. But also like why didn't she check the shower for the drip? You always check the shower.

Why would you check the... Now I know she didn't shower before she went to bed. Wow. Disgusting. Oh, oh. Are we supposed to do that every night? I don't do that. Oh, yeah. Oh no, you're morning, you're night shower. Are you morning showers?

I just shower like whenever I feel like every time. I'm not a daily showerer. Me neither. Interesting, I'm a nightly showerer. So it's even weirder to me that she heard the drip. I was gonna say, you're gonna be very disappointed. I was gonna say, give me four or five days. I showered today, but that's for you all.

The next time will be maybe on Friday, Thursday. We'll see. I was gonna say, I think I maybe showered Sunday. Yeah. I actually don't remember. I certainly shower so much more now that I have a dog because I go to this dog park where just everything's wet. The dust.

But to know that there's, as a nightly shower, if I heard drip, drip, drip, and then I went whatever and just went to bed and then I wake up. First of all, maybe that's the moral of the story. Take a shower and then you'll find your dog faster. You know what I'm saying? Yes, because that's not the only thing in the shower. What else is in the shower? Here tell Jerry what else is in the shower because she doesn't remember.

The best part of this and what it is named, are you ready? On top of the shower, written in blood on the back of the wall, someone has written, humans can lick too. It was the serial killer, licking your hand the whole time. What if the dog wrote it? Jerry, you're that way of it.

I'm sick and tired of licking your hand. Yeah, you know what? Humans can lick you. Get a partner. Get a partner. Take a shower. Wash your hands. Start taking your nightly showers.

I'm sick and tired of it. You know, when I was a kid, it freaked, the part that freaked me out the most was that she would like feel the dog licking her hand and then she would pet the dog. And it's like, to just know that the serial killer was lying next to your bed. Yes, yeah.

And you were petting the top of his head and then he decided to let you go. There were so many layers of pork to that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. Boy, that part always got me. I didn't even care about the dog. I was like, this is the worst part for me.

I'm glad you got that, because I was considering that as one of those for next week, but I think I'm glad that you did it. I'll forget. I'll be brand new again. Cause I'm gonna etch a sketch that right out of my brain. That has no place up in here. And that's what I know.

You are that person at the sleepover who's like, don't tell me that anymore. It's gone. She hates it. That's my favorite part. I'm like, hee hee hee hee hee. I can't wait for everybody to be scared. Me too.

As cousins, and I'm assuming that you guys got to actually have sleepovers together as kids. Yeah. Who was the storyteller and who was the story reactor? Or did you swap them back and forth? Our dads told a lot of stories. Yeah, they did, yeah, cause they were also there and we were like,

go away, but they didn't. That also sounds correct, yeah. We watched a lot of movies. We didn't really tell a lot of stories. No, do you remember? I don't know if you were at the slumber party. This is a little slumber party story for you, is that one time my dad

thought he would tell, I think we were probably like seven or eight years old. All of my friends at my slumber tart. Uh-oh. Tarty. We're not tardy. We're all on time. Tarty for the party. Isn't that a song by a real housewife? Is it? I think it is. Tarty for the party is a real housewife song. You can look it up. It's my cue. That's tragic in a show. Many ways for my sleepover for one, one year playlist, your new playlist. That's the only song and she's on a constant repeat. Also tardy to my own party where I'm the only person is like, it's a power move to

yourself. I'm arriving late and I'm leaving early. I have a good time. Okay. So he decides to tell the story at the party. And I will tell you, I can't remember exactly what he said. But after thorough investigation, after he scared everyone and we all you, I can't remember exactly what he said, but after thorough investigation, after he scared everyone and we all cried,

I did realize that he was telling the actual true life story of Jeffrey Tomer. What? You know what, you were destined to have this podcast. That's cheating. You can't tell like an actual literal story. That's like- I don't know, I'm not good actual literal story that's like, I don't know, I'm not good at this.

I was like, urban legends, dad, they're not supposed to be real. You can't just like read a news article like that or a Wikipedia page. And he did. My mom was similar in that way where she would just tell like childhood traumas that she endured. And I'm like, why?

That's more my mom's speed. Why would we do this? Scary is scary. She's like, we want to hear a real horror story. And I'm like why? That's more my mom's speed, yes. Why would we do this? Scary is scary. She's like, we wanna hear a real horror story and I'm like, no. She's like, I was eight years old. Yeah, it's like, oh fuck me, I don't wanna be here anymore.

Yeah, she quickly got uninvited when she would just bomb all my friends out. Maybe that's why no one wants to have a sleepover anymore. Okay, but were your friends, because mine would always be like, no, we wanna hear your mom's stories and I'm like, she's making them up a little bit. She's exaggerating.

This is not what happened last time she told it. And everyone's like, no, tell us more. And I'm like, oh my God. Details are changing. Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, I'll talk about this. Stories not real. No, my mom. They're empty someday.

But do people like want your mom around? Or like, even though you didn't? Cause I feel like that's what would happen to me. I think I'm sure as like a 13 year olds when we were all mean, they probably didn't want her around. But I will say my mom was stuck to the truth on her stories because she did have like a freakish amount of near death experiences. Yes, she has. She should have been killed by quite a lot of people. Oh my God.

Quite a lot of people. Quite a lot of people. I was expecting. Well, she had a run in with Ted Bundy. She my God. Quite a lot of people. Quite a lot of people. Quite a lot of people. I was expecting. Well, she had her running with Ted Bundy. She had her running with the DC sniper. She had her running with- Wait, can you guys hear about that from Sierra's dad's story?

Yeah. I actually think you mentioned that one. Yeah. But so, she doesn't need to exaggerate. It's already pretty rough. That's my mom's issue too. I'm like, you don't need to exaggerate. You have enough fucking crazy shit.

So when you start kind of making stuff up, but I guess that was kind of the sleepover vibe, you know, she would kind of like spin tales. Yeah, wow. Maybe that's why I tell stories the way that I tell stories. Cause that's kind of my, that's my go-to. It's just a little bit of a little spice. Had a little spice of exaggeration now then.

Yeah, you got to stretch a little bit. I mean, you're a cancer word, Geminis, right? So, you know, I think that all applies. Just a little bit of character to your story is fine. Exactly. Um, fun fact, Eva did just let us know that that song is written by one of the housewives of Atlanta. There you go. You two are so smart.

I learned so much at the sleepover. That's what we're here for. Wow. Well, sorry. I'm a wealth of unimportant knowledge. I see that you guys think that like after the next story, we should like choreograph a dance to that song and then like perform it for all our cousins

with all our cousins like to our aunts and uncles and stuff. I would say. Grandpa, okay good. Now you ask who was the storyteller and who was the listener. We was one grandpa. Okay, good. Now you ask who was the storyteller and who was the listener. We don't know who was the choreographer. Me. I was the one who was rounding everybody up. Literally 150%. Yeah. What was your like, do you have a favorite one that you remember and you're like, that was a good one. Our dance? Mare M Okay, well that was, we had a band in elementary school.

I'm sure. But we did the song, do you guys remember the song Mirror Mirror? It's like, mirror mirror, I wish you would lie to me. I'm not a singer. I know that one, but it sounds great. You don't know? You gotta look it up.

Bring my baby back. Who sings it? Bring my baby back to me. Mirror Mirror, lie to me. Tell me what? Bring my baby back to me. Mirror mirror, light of me. Tell me what it was. They're doing it. Look, I tricked them into it. I tricked them.

I'm like, what song? How does he sing that? I've never heard of that ever. I've never heard of this thing. I don't know. And I think it was like a one-hit wonder situation. I think the band was like M to M. I have literally no clue what this is.

I think you're right. But I'm loving it. Put it on the playlist. Oh, my God. There are party for the party. Mirror, mirror. Oh, my gosh. Dare I suggest that if you haven't already done it,

that for like your own bonus content, you like do the full dance. Yeah, we got to. Well, we're going to need a four square court because that's where we perform. Mm hmm. Four square court. That's how every good dance starts. Okay.

Yeah. We did it at recess for all the other kids. That's where we performed it. That's how every good dance starts. Okay. We did it at recess for all the other kids. If you had to do like, if you had to do a song today, what would be your sleepover choreograph song? Well, bongos by Cardi B. Just kidding. I've been waiting for someone to ask her that. I can't.

I actually, I have it up here. Add it to the list. Can we give them like a little taste peek about because we did. Girls Gone Mild? Yeah. Yeah. Girls Gone Mild.

We did. We did do a tutorial. Stop. We followed a tutorial. Oh my God. Or a dance and then we have a performance. And when we did the performance, it's not choreographed.

No. Whatsoever. No. We didn't, well, we did use moves from the tutorial. We did. The song that we danced to. Thank you. Was Ass by Big Sean.

Yes, ass, ass, ass. Perfect. But that is not the song that's playing. No, because copyright and stuff, probably. Uh-huh. Should we share the song that is playing? Yeah, I think so. It's an instrumental of Ave Maria.

And you're dancing to ass? Well, okay. Honestly, I've never heard anything funny in my life. Hey, if you can get that visual. So are you like twerking to like, oh, God, that's exactly beautiful. Beautiful. That's my that's better than what I thought. Christine and I had a genius idea on our last tour. We had a barbershop quartet. We

performed a barbershop quartet at the end. Yeah. **** that. No, yours is better. Yours is better. That's that's hysterical. No, no, I want to see the barbershop quartet. Me too. Oh, it was. I want to do a doo wop with you guys. Oh, it was something. If you did, we'd finally have four people in our quartet.

It would actually be a quartet with two people. It was pretty sad. Well, we brought on Flat Zach, our cardboard Zachary Baggins cutout. Correct. So he participated in that. He stood there solemnly. And sometimes I knocked him over and then of course, a lemon and Ed had purchased a miniature

barbershop quartet hat. Oh, I made him a little barbershop quartet hat. Imagine, explain to my mother, what do you do at 33 years old? Oh, I'm stitching together a barbershop quartet jacket for a dried lemon. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You stitched it?

I tucked her all in and everything. That's made with love. Yeah, it is. Well, no, it was made with a lot of hate. I really cannot stand lemon. And so I think that lemon cursed every thread that went into it, but I'll take it, because it's beautiful.

Yeah. Made with hate is how I feel. Made with hate? That's like what people say about me. Made with hate is how I feel. Made with hate? That's like what people say about me. I just fight. I will say. Do your parents feel like? Yeah.

Yeah. You really sold me on the final performance part. So I did just look at the shows again. I'll be at your Orlando show, I think. Oh! Holy shit! Holy shit, you're just getting around. Or Tampa.

I'm gonna be in Florida that week anyway, so I'm gonna figure it out. Oh my God, this is so great. I can't wait. Only because you said I'm twerking to Ave Maria. I know, you really sold it on that one. Sold it for free. I can't wait for you to see it. That's incredible.

Can I bring dollar bills? You sure can. I think you absolutely should. Perfect, yes. My grandmother is gonna roll over in her grave. I'm glad about that. Point two. Point two. You're raised Catholic, right?

Oh yeah. Same. Yeah, so yeah, it's gonna feel weird and probably really cathartic to do that. Catholicism, brother. Yeah, father. Rise up for whatever. Whatever Jesus did. Bless us.

In three days though, not today. Okay. I love when Christians are like, oh, I'm gonna be a Christian. I'm gonna be a Christian. I'm gonna be a Christian. I'm gonna be a Christian. I'm gonna there. Bless up for whatever. Whatever Jesus did. Bless up. In three days though, not today. Okay. I love when Christians are funny. That's funny. They're Catholic, sorry.

Yeah, I was like, watch it. Yeah, I have said something to Christine recently where I was like, that's not Christian. She went, good, I'm Catholic. I'm not Catholic either. Thank you. I was lying. I would like to not I'm not Catholic either. Thank you. Don't, don't. I was lying. I would like to not associate with any of them.

Thank you. My mom used to get so angry because Christians would tell her that Catholics weren't Christian. And she goes, really? Then why do I sing a song that says they will know I am Christian by my love? Yeah.

So try to argue with that. Dude, mic drop. Mic drop, mom. is she a lawyer? Cause that tiny little skinny bendy mic drop from a podium. Mom. Yeah. There you go. With that microphone. Um, I know Jerry, you haven't told your story yet, but I would like to take this intermission to announce something really important that Eva has just made us aware of in our text chat. There is now, thank you Eva, a Spotify playlist called, and that's why we tangent. What, yes! Please tell me Ave Maria's in it as well.

There is Tardy for the Party, Mirror Mirror, Dance Ass Remix, and Ave Maria, only. Just those four. Only. Perfect. Wow, that's just beautiful. Wow. See, this is why Eva is the creative genius

behind everything, you know? So everyone please go check out our and that's why we tangent Spotify list by Eva. Yeah. I can't wait to listen to that on my way home. I love these live alerts, like the one that What's Her Face Got. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,

when the serial killer got looped. Actually just Eva text me about a serial killer. Yeah. She just texts in the group. Also, by the way, there's a serial killer. Make sure your dog is under your bed licking you. Don't worry. Don't worry about why I said that. Nothing could go wrong.

Certainly. Anyway, I just thought everyone needed to know. Thank you. I do also have another short one, but it's I think far scarier. By that, I mean, it makes me get tears in my eyes every time I retell it. And that's unusual. I cry at everything. Yeah. Interesting. She does not usually get teary eyed. No. Oh, okay. I'm intrigued. I'm on a lot of Zoloft, so we'll see what happens. Okay, I mean, I don't cry because I'm sad. I cry because I'm scared.

Okay, oh. You just reminded me, time out. Pantit time, okay? So I am engaged, I'm marrying her brother-in-law. It's illegal and it's not weird. We're not crossing. It's no bloodbaths being crossed. It's legal and it's not weird. We're not crossing. It's no blood. Don't worry about it. I followed the lore for many moons here. It's very beautiful.

Don't worry about it. But we had a cake tasting. We're sister-in-law cousins. We're sister cousins. There's bracelets being made. It's fine. It's all kosher. Don't worry about it. So I really, in my family, there's so much more to judge. It's fine. Yeah. Trust me. You're making me feel so safe today. Thank you.

So on Sunday we had a cake tasting and she was asking us like what kind of cakes we like. And I'm like, I honestly don't care. The only reason we're doing a cake tasting is because that was the one thing he was excited about was eating cake. So he says he kind of likes this cake and he shows a picture and it's a naked cake. Are you familiar with a naked cake is? Yeah. Okay. No, the cake that really doesn't have like a whole lot of ice on the outside.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And she starts shaking her head at him and I start shaking my head too because I don't want that. Like I really, I want icing. Frosting all over that bitch. She's the best part of a cake.

100%. She says, let me explain to you why you don't want this. And he says, okay. And she said, it's too unstable. And he says, what does that mean? And I said, do you remember those six months that I didn't refill my antidepressants. It's like that, but in a cake.

And he goes, we don't want that. And he checked out real quick. That was the decision maker. He was like, nevermind. Now that I have a real world example of what unstable looks like, I think maybe we'll pass. I don't want that cake. Sounds like you're marrying a self-aware, a very aware man.

Aware of his surroundings, perhaps. More Zoloft on that cake, please. Yeah, just like a little crunch. Icing is the Zoloft of baked goods. That's what I always say. Can I ask what you landed on flavor-wise? Okay, so flavor-wise, there is a gluten-free, dairy-free vanilla raspberry.

Now, neither of us have allergies or preferences. Did you say, said that good? Yep. Wow. I'm blown away, because I was gonna be like, you better be sick with everything, why? Okay, I understand. You better have some. Cause I was going to be like, you better be sick with everything. Why? Okay.

I know you better have some kind of gut stuff going on. Cause what are you doing? She said, I can make this with like a regular vanilla. And he goes, don't you dare touch this. This is the best thing I've ever tasted. Damn. Okay. I know. And then there was a almond cream cheese.

And then there was a honey lemon blueberry. I will, ow, fuck that one up real good. That is so good. Honey lemon blueberry? That sounds incredible. So those are the three we went with. Hey you guys, should we order Door Dash to our sleepover while we're thinking about it?

There's some left over in the fridge. I could be eating it right now. Okay, you don't have to break it. First of all, Yeah. You're rubbing it in a little bit now. First of all, now I'm mad. A little flex.

A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex.

A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex.

A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. A little flex. I'm a 1933 year old. Okay. Travel there with me. There's a father, okay? And he lives alone with his son. I never knew my father. His seven year old son. Okay. Okay? That age is written down, that's real.

Okay, it's canon, got it. I don't know how old the dad is. Okay. His son would have trouble sleeping a lot of nights, and so it was a nightly routine between them that he would go in and check for monsters under the bed as the, you know, that whole thing. So he goes in, he enters the dimly lit room where his son waits under his blanket. With the first glance, the father could tell there was something unusual about his son

that night, but he couldn't put his finger on it. He looked exactly the same, but he had a huge grin, drawing from ear to ear. Are you okay, buddy? The father asked. The son nods still with the grin before he says, Daddy, can you check for monsters under my bed? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ready? The father chuckles a bit before getting on his knees to check, and there under the bed, pale and afraid,

was his son, his real son. And he whispered, daddy, there's someone on my bed. I'm so fucking proud of that one, thank you. I'm not kidding, that one is like a full goosebumps situation. That was an excellent decision. They started to cry to think I told you it gets me every single time. I know. Big smiles are one of my worst.

The smile. Yeah. Did you guys ever read that creepypasta about the guy across the street who like dances along with a really big smile and like the guy is walking and he keeps getting faster? Like the smile, anything with a smile. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I had it. What was what's that?

It's not a night terror. Sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis. Yeah, I had a sleep paralysis moment with a smile. And actually with, it was with a computer. Ew! In her own face. What? So I feel like I have less stories

and like more lived experiences. So when I was in college. I know. I know. Fuck me. So when I was in college, my boyfriend and I were long distance and he was in Florida and I was in Ohio and we would FaceTime a lot. And so I fell asleep on FaceTime and I remember waking up and the FaceTime was, it was Skype actually at the time. Skype was off, but I could still see my camera on so I could still see my face. Bye.

And I was smiling really big. And I was moving like this towards the screen. I felt stationary in the bed, but I could see me moving and smiling really big. And I was trying to like tell myself to stop. And when I woke up, I closed my eyes again. When I woke up, my computer was closed. I remember asking my boyfriend the next day,

I was like, hey, what happened with like Skype? Like, did we hang up? And he goes, you sat up, you ended the call and closed the computer. I was like, great. Amazing. Jerry. I mean, it's a no for me, dog.

That's crazy. I know, please. Please. That was about the same time that there was a lot of like haunted stuff happening in the house. Yee-wee-zoo. That doesn't help.

I don't like that one bit. I've never had, I've had sleep paralysis twice, but it was like during a nap and it was like, I knew what was happening. So I was like, don't look anywhere, don't close your eyes. And I didn't see anything. And I was like, don't look anywhere, don't close your eyes. And I didn't see anything. And I was like, thank God. But I live in fear of that third sleep paralysis

that I know is coming for me. I'm like, any day now it's gonna happen and I'm gonna see something wild. I haven't had sleep paralysis in a long time, thank God. Yeah, and I always knock on wood, feel like it shows up when we talk about it. So oops, my bad. But damn, damn. You need to knock on something.

We're all knocking on everything. Both of those right back to back, by the way, I'm like kind of like, I'm also tearing up a little bit. Yeah, I know. If it were dark out, I'd be actually like genuine. So that's why when that movie smile came out, yeah, that face, that was the face that I had on the computer and I was looking at myself and I was like, oh. That's so gross.

And I think what makes that also creepier is that you hear that in so many people's stories. Like at least when I listen to like ghost story podcasts, people will call in every now and then with that kind of story. Like, oh, they looked like it was a doppelganger. They looked just like my mom, but they had this huge smile. And so it happens enough like from different people that I'm like, what is that?

Why does that happen? What is that? The doppelganger thing, hate it. That's no good. Little kids hate it. Hate it. Anything that has to do creepy little kids, no. Yep.

Did you guys ever have a ghostly experience at a sleepover together or separate, I guess? I don't know if we had one. Did you do like Ouija boards and stuff or were you not into that kind of thing? I used to make them. Yeah, me too. That's what I did, I guess. I don't know if we had one. Did you do like Ouija boards and stuff or were you not into that kind of thing? I used to make them. Yeah, me too. That's what I did, Jerry.

That is so upset. Me and Em are the same person. Yeah, I think Jerry and I were like the boss. Once Christine finally agreed to have a sleepover with me, I have this thing where I'm like, I refuse to do Ouija boards, especially in my own home. There's just, I have to have a boundary somewhere. Yeah. And Christine was like, oh, let's do a sleepover.

And I went, OK, and hook line and sinker. I go over and she has made a Ouija board to play with. And the planchette is her own wine glass because you couldn't find anything else. Well, yeah, I emptied it first and then turned over and it worked great. Yeah. Yeah. By what? How do you make yours? I use paper. Yeah, you just make it out of paper.

Oh, ours was paper too. And it was the back of a tour poster that I found in the it was when I was visiting L.A. and our Ouija board was not in the box because it was like one of our tour props. And so I was like, shoot, how am I going to force them to do Ouija board? Like they're on the way. And I was like, shoot, how am I gonna force them to do Ouija board? Like they're on the way. And I was like, I gotta be scrappy. So I found a tour poster that we had signed

and I flipped it over. We probably shouldn't have signed, I probably shouldn't have used a signed one. I feel like maybe signing it and then putting a Ouija board on it. Oops, sorry. Someone out there would definitely wanna buy that. Yeah, well, yeah.

A signed poster we put Ouija board on. It like spilled all sorts of crap. Um, but yeah, then we did. I just drew it on the back of that. But, but yeah, I love the, I love the DIY Ouija. And Sierra, were you a victim of this? Well, she took me to do that one time and it was at our grandma's grave. Well, she took me to do that one time and it was at our grandma's grave that we did. Dude. You elevate everything to a thousand. I mean, damn.

And let me just tell you, she didn't tell me that's what we were doing. She said, do you want to go visit grandma? I said, yes, of course I miss her dearly. You got her. And then she pulls it out as we're sitting there. First of all, do you want to go visit grandma knowing she's dead?

Already you know you're in for some shit. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I guess what you should have asked is, do you want to catch up with grandma? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Do you want to have a little chitchat?

Yeah. Grandma told me that I was going to get a new teaching job. And I said, if you're right, which I did not think I was qualified for, I did not think I was going to get it because it was so wildly out of like, I just did not think that I was going to get it. And I said, if I do, I'm going to come back with flowers. And I got it. Hey, I got it. So I brought her flowers, her offering. I was like, tell me you did your part. Okay. Phew. And she said she hated Sierra's boyfriend.

Yeah. And I dumped him after that. So good. Grandma was important. Grandma understand the Ouija board. The Ouija board told me I have to. Yeah, well, he was a really hateable person. She was she was correct. It was like, this one's pretty easy. Is this grandma or is this me? Right? There's like, hmm.

We worked together a little bit on that one. Me and her. Beautiful teamwork. But I do. I do remember once whenever we were at a sleepover, and now this could be Jerry fucking with me. She never actually told me, or she did and I don't remember. It's time to find out the truth.

We were at grandma's house for some kind of holiday. So I guess it wasn't technically a sleepover, but we were doing light as a feather, stiff as a board. Loved it. And then we did like the scratches game. Remember that seven scratches? Did you guys play that game? Oh yeah. Okay. And we did it on one of our little cousins.

Our little cousins, by the way, we're teenagers and we're doing it to like our seven year old children. That's how it goes. That's part of the learning process. So all the lights are off and they start, another one starts screaming, oh God, that something touched them or did something. And when we pulled the shirt up of the back,

there were scratches all down her back. Yeah. Do you remember that? This was in the basement? Yes. Okay, I'm remembering it as you're saying it. What would I be hiding? I thought it was your sister.

Did you rip your cousin up? I thought maybe you scratched. I was gonna say did you fucking dread your cousin's back? I was like, what part of this would I have been responsible for? I thought maybe Jerry scratched her sister. No.

Or did something to make the other one, which I think was my sister scream. No, not that I remember. Let me tell you something, My sister is easily scared. She is actually in the she's in the camp or the girls got mild videos that we did a little slumber party and she is she is quite the she's scared. She's a little chicken. Yeah.

Yeah, because she got scratched up one day or something. I know. I got a lot of it. She's like, I could come any moment. And I guess technically, here's another slumber party moment that was not happened to us, but when I got married, we all slept together, me and my maid of honor, Jerry.

Oh, hot. And as you do, you know how you sleep with your friends before you marry a man. That's the Ohio tradition, yep. Yeah, I just heard, we all slept together. And I went, oh. On my wedding day, we all slept together. And I went, oh. On my wedding day. We all slept together.

Getting you off on the couch. Yes. So we're at Chicken Little, what is it? Chicken Run. Chicken Run playing at your wedding. Here we are watching Chicken Run before Sierra's wedding. Yeah, you should have known better. Yeah.

I did book an old farmhouse. Super, super old farmhouse Airbnb that we could all get ready at the next day and whatever. So we all spend the night there. And my sister got haunted several times. She said she saw the rocking chair that was in her room, which was so spooky by the way, I can't even explain. It started moving while she was like laying in bed.

And I actually opted, that was the nicest room in the house. And she was like, you're getting married, you can sleep there. And I was like, I will not be sleeping in that room. I will be sleeping in the room with the bunk bed. I'm feeling generous. You have the room. Yes.

And then afterwards she said that, and we got it on video that something came up and like in her ear really quickly. She said she felt it and then she couldn't hear out of that ear for like a couple hours. Yeah, it was weird. Well, also when we, Sierra and I got there first before anyone

and we were upstairs taking a look because this place was weird. The room that Sierra and I stayed in, there was a, it was under the sea themed. Okay. It was blue walls with like sea creatures painted on it. Everywhere. Why? Weird for a farmhouse. Yeah. Yeah. I slept in a boat. Yep. It was a trundle bed. I do recall this.

There was a boat. Yep. And then there was a regular bed in there as well. That's where Sierra opted to stay. Yep. And so we're in this room being like, what is this place? And we heard somebody come into the house. Yeah. And start talking like they were talking to each other. And so we were like, guys, we're upstairs. We yelled that we said, hey, we're upstairs. And so we walked down to go greet them and nobody was there.

Yeah. I almost feel like that's like greet them and nobody was there. Yeah. I almost feel like that's like vampire rules and they tricked you into inviting them, you know? Oh, fuck. Guys, we're up here. Oh no. It's okay, I got my sister, not me. Is that an invite though?

No, I feel like if they're already inside the house, it's like, uh-oh, too late. I got invited from outside the club. You can't even get in. I would be paranoid that it was an invite to like interact with us. Do you know what it reminds me of though is, sorry, now I'm braiding my hair.

I just, you know, I'm feeling like it's the right vibe. Yes. It's that time of night. It's that time of night, we're all doing our hair. No, it reminds me of that. I think it's like an Irish lore that like, about an entity that sort of like predicts the next person

who's coming home by like mimicking. So you like, for example, you'll be upstairs and you'll hear somebody like drop the keys and like open the door and you'll hear the driveway in the garage and then you look and you'll be like, hey, babe, you're home and then like nobody's there. And then about five minutes later, like they actually come home and that exact thing plays out.

So I feel like there's an like a really old myth about like a lore about that, but I don't know the name of it. I know, it's not freaky. Because I feel like I've had that happen, where you're like, oh, I hear somebody, I hear the garage and I hear them. And then... There was a story that someone wrote into our podcast about a very similar situation. Remember, they were in the basement and they thought it was their mom calling their name.

Their mom came home and called their name. When we were on with, um, creeps and crimes. That's right. Oh God. Yeah. We did an episode with creeps and crimes. And that was a story that someone had shared. That's like that doppelganger shit. Like remember when that was going around on TikTok, Emma and I talked about it on the podcast too.

And it was like the, the mimic, like a mimic at the door that like sort of sounds like your sister or mom or whoever. It's like, it's dad, let me in. It's dad, let me in. And it's like, but dad has a key. Like why would you need me to let you in? And it's like, what's going on?

Dad's drunk again. Dad lost his damn key again. Damn it. I got nervous one day because I, so I live up on a hill now and our trash gets picked up down at the bottom. And so I was taking the trash down to the bottom of the hill and I came back up stair or like up to my house and I was just sitting on the couch and I heard my older son and I was like, Hey, where's your brother? And he's like, I don't know. And I was like, I thought he was with you. And he's like,

no. And then the outside door opens and he came in and he was like, mom, what are you doing? And I was like, what are you doing? Where were you? And he goes, I was up on the hill. I was looking for you. And so I was like, yeah. So there's a hill behind my house that goes up higher. And I had to have a conversation with him and I was like, hey, if you- Don't follow this voice. If you hear me calling for you, do not come, don't.

Jesus come to it. I know. Christ, that's so scary. I know. You have to have a safe word. I know. Yeah. Seriously.

It's gotta be something stupid. It's chicken run. It's chicken run. Please don't have that with your son. Oh no. One day he'll be like, what does it mean? I gotta pick another one. I gotta pick another one.

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happened here. But one of them speaking to the voices is I was in our like kind of middle TV room doing some work. And my in-laws had just come because Leona was about a month old. And they came to like watch her and they took her out. And they all went around the block for a walk. And I was like, Oh, good, I got the house to myself. So G and I were sitting in the middle room and just like kind of doing something on my walk. And I was like, oh good, I got the house to myself. So G and I were sitting in the middle room and just like kind of doing something on my computer. And I like right standing right next to me, I heard, daddy!

Like really loud and I froze and Gio looked up and like, you know, his hackles went up and he was like looking around the room. So I was like, it was not, and we're like removed from there's nobody. It was just very strange. And then of course my whole family gets home and I told them and they're like, Oh, the TV must have turned on and off. And I was like, that's even weirder. What are you talking about? That you turned on and said daddy and turned on anyway, nobody believed me. But that was when she was like

a tiny baby. You of course, yes. Nobody in that group believed me. And then, you know, now she's old enough to talk. And I'm like, she probably has said that exact thing in that room. So I'm like, I don't know if it was like a weird like time thing or if it was like a ghost. I don't know. But yeah, that's wild. And I was like, oh, oh, oh, no, thanks.

Yeah. I get really scared about like, oh, oh, oh, no thanks. Yeah, I get really scared about like doppelgangers, mimics, anything like that, especially like being in Appalachia, like all of that stuff, deer people. Yeah, so many deer around here. So I have a powder room bathroom that's right here. And my entrance into my house is right here

I almost put a mirror up right here. No, except there's a mirror in the powder room So I didn't do it because I was like so smart have a portal or something was so and I fucking knew it You're so smart. What of they would have close call? No, it's like one of people's houses. I'm like, oh, if I were a better friend of yours, like a few, I would have been like, Hey, that is very haunted. Whatever that thing is. And you put it on top of, I don't know. So I gotta see something in someone's house and you're just like, I'm never touching that. Yeah. Yeah.

But then again, I say that about like most of the things in Christine's house. Yeah, you said it about everything in my house and you're probably right. You're probably right. The staircase is from the church down the street. And I'm like, why do you have that? I don't know. I didn't do that. I mean, Christine also has this little hobby right now, which I do. I do love the hobby from afar. I could not do it.

But she really likes collecting like old, especially like tin type, but old, old photographs of people like vintage. Yeah. And I just, in my mind, I'm just like, wow, you're just bringing a party into your house. You just bring them all these people. Like they're attracted. Do you have your story? I was going to say one of the stories my dad always used to tell me was about, and it's kind of like a local legend. There's something called the warlock. Okay. So near here, there is something called warlocks grave. There was a warlock back in like the 1800s when like the town was being made and they killed him.

He was like in charge of like- For witchcraft. For witchcraft. He was like in charge of like a coven essentially. And probably a cult. Sex or anything. When they killed him, they allegedly, no one's gonna sue me.

Decapitated him and placed his head at his feet. Because they believed that if his head were to reunite with his body, that he would come back to life. Why wouldn't they throw his head in the river then? I don't know. Very good question. Good question.

I don't understand 1800s logic. Yeah, that was a mistake, I feel. Yeah. Anyway, I mean, I guess I can get anything with my feet if I try hard enough and get it up to my shoulders. Me too, I use my toes like fingers. You give me all of the afterlife and I'll figure it out. I'll roll my head up.

Well, sometimes there's my blankets at my feet, but I'm fine. I'm able to grab it if I sleep. I get it there. I can pick up a ball with my feet and toss it to myself. Prove it right now. I have those creepy toes. I had a ball, I would.

Let's do it guys. We're going to Patreon this. Paywall. It feels like a foot thing, but I'm okay with it. You got paid extra for foot stuff. I'm telling you, Patreon bonus. So is the warlock grave now haunted? Is that what they say? Yes. So warlock's grave is haunted and there's a it's like this top of it is like a big stone.

And they believe that because the stone is cracked, his head has been reattached and he's trying to get out. That's actually a really good story. That's like a great urban legend because it has like the kind of like the crack in it and all that. to get out. That's actually a really good story. That's like a great urban legend because it has like the kind of like the crack in it and all that. I love that. So now, well, when my dad was basketball coach

when I was in high school, there was a tradition that we would as a team go out to Warlock's grave. Ooh. And curse the other team. Well, that would be better. Imagine, Emma's so... Emma's so... Sacrifice a freshman.

You do what, Sagan? She said pardon? We would sacrifice a freshman. Oh, I love that. I wish I was the freshman, I would have volunteered. Actually, I'd like to be sacrificed. We wouldn't tell any of the underclassmen that it was happening, except for the freshmen that it was happening to.

Carrie, you have a habit of doing this, like bringing people to grave sites and saying, no, it's just a visit. Don't worry. Just a visit. Why would you think this is something else? Why would you think we're going to talk to grandma with a Ouija board and ask her about your boyfriend? This is gonna be fun for all of us and then trauma, trauma, trauma.

Trauma. So the one person who was going to be quote unquote sacrificed knew it was gonna happen. My dad would already be at Warlock's grave. Dressed as a Warlock? He would be hidden. I don't know. He would be like all black.

Somebody he's gonna play, he's gonna like play the Warlock. It really would have been funny I don't know. He would be like, oh my God. So many fucking missed opportunities. I know. I feel like he's going to play the warlock, you know? It really would have been funny if he would have. It's just like get a cape. That's all he needs. It's great. He just dresses up like the headless horseman. Yeah.

Pretty cool. I know. So the freshman who was being sacrificed would be left there. So my dad would come out, scare everybody. Everyone would run back to their cars and go to the rally point. And then we would count everybody and realize we left someone behind.

That's so clever. We'd go back up. And they'd be gone. And you and your dad are like just hanging out together. Well, they'd be gone because my dad would take them back to the house. And we'd be like, oh my God, what are we gonna do? So and so is missing.

Like the warlock. How many of you were in on it when you were like, oh no, like the head count was off. Everyone except the younger, just the young people. Oh, such a good prank. I'm really sorry, but like I'm imagining like, what if, imagine a world where your dad's a serial killer. He has- Oh, 100%.

He has conned everyone into the perfect trap. He's just, you're giving him a kid to kidnap. Oh yeah. He just takes the kid and everyone goes, he's the basketball coach. I feel like he probably already, you know, I guess they would find him pretty easy. But I imagine being-

He's the one with the cape. Imagine if your dad is a serial killer is a wild thing. Just like- Someone's dad is though. Yeah. Someone's dad is though. Yeah. Someone's dad is though. I guess when I think about why you would have to tell the freshmen about what's gonna happen,

I guess so they know to get in the car with the grown man. Yeah. They just start taking off into the woods. They know not to get in the car. They know not to leave to go to the rally point. They know to hang back and that they're not in danger. Like they know that they're fine. Oh, and we also, because it is in the age of technology,

make everyone leave their phones at home. Genius. So there's no flashlights, there's no cameras, there's no way to call anyone. Oh my gosh, you've thought of everything. I love your ad. I was gonna say, I'm scared of you. And you said, I love you. I'm like, I'm scared of you. And you said, I love you.

I'm like, I'm scared of you. He works at a cemetery now. He does work at a cemetery now. I knew that. I did know that. That's right. What is your, was this tradition only started when your dad started working there?

Or was there a guy before him who did it? Like, is it the basketball coach all the time? And I don't think they do it anymore. I think it was just when my dad was coaching. So I think it really only lasted like five years maybe. But- So good though. What a good while it lasted.

It really should have lasted a long time because- Hey, let's bring it back. Let's find someone to sacrifice. Em wants to get sacrificed. Imagine I just hang out around the school and I'm like, Hey kids, who wants to be sacrificed at Warlock's break? No, it's okay.

I've done this before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like an overtired basketball coach. He took a lot of kids back in the day. You remember his cape and everything? Yeah. Don't even worry about it. Oh my God. I feel like we could find a audience to trick,

not an audience, but like a group. We could do like a little tour guide and do like a group. Yeah. And like a little tour guide and do like a group. I will say, I have the Ghost Tube app and I turned it on when I was driving by there and it said stone and then it said help and it was like the words that I forget there was like two other words where I was I audibly in my car said, uh-uh, you're not tricking me. I'm not helping you. Wait, let me check.

You are a dude. Yeah, it's like a spirit box. I think I have that one. Oh no, I don't have this one. I used to. Does it work? Do you like it? Oh, it said, it has said some creepy shit to us.

Really? So again, preview for Girls Gone Mild. There is a portion where we do a ghost thing. This is going to be the best live show ever. And we did a barbershop quartet, so we know what's good. We did use Ghost Tube. Yeah. During part of it. Oh, that's exciting.

It said, do you do creepy voice or normal voice? Well, we started with creepy voice and immediately abandoned ship. It was so fucking scary. Okay, I'm going to normal to start to just like look like made into the water. The first two things it said were so scary that we were like. Really?

Yeah, especially in that voice, we were like, turn it. Because we did a salt circle around us. Okay. And the first two things it said is, why can't I come? Chicken run. Chicken run. Zola.

And the second was, move out of the way. Oh. Yeah. Well, I don't have a salt circle, so we'll see what happens. What do I do? Are you putting it on right now? Yeah, what happens? Hell yeah. Well, I don't have a salt circle, so we'll see what happens. What do I do? Are you putting it on right now? Yeah, what happens? Hell, yeah. This is very sleepover.

It'll just it'll just go if you. Yeah, you won't understand. I said, how does it work? How does it work? And I said, you won't understand. It just called you dumb. First of all, that's fucking rude. So fucking rude. Also. I don't want to be rude, so I'm going to say. Yeah.

OK, you're right, I am dumb. I'm scared. I don't want to go out there. The first time we ever used it, Brady was. Like nervous about it, because he did not like that we ever used it, Brady was like nervous about it. He did not like that we were using it. He's like, I don't want any of that stuff up there. I'm scared. And our man, Sierra was like, what do you think?

Oh, he was also saying it wasn't real. Yeah. I was like, what do you think of Brady the non-believer? And it said ignorant. Yeah. I love that. What do you think of our children's party? He goes, I don't even say that. Yeah. Unquestionably. Sorry.

This ghost agrees with your ghost. No offense. No offense. Period. Rose, that man. Period. Fuck him. What do you think about our sleepover? Would you like to be part of it? Hello. Would you like to join our sleepover party? No, that's a scary stories.

I will say sometimes it doesn't answer for a long time. Yours is talking a lot. Yeah. Oh, great. That's fantastic. I love to hear that. Next to all those pictures. Maybe you got a lot of the Victorian one. Yes. OK, I think maybe they don't want to be part of it, which, you know, is fine.

I'm not going to get super upset, but it would be interesting if you just like because you keep all them in a box, right? All those pictures. They're talking about your ghosts. They're kind of around and around. Oh, I was going to say, if you had them all in a box and you just left your phone in the box, you could just hear them all talking to each other maybe. Hear a little conversation.

Yeah, that'd be crazy. That'd be cool. That's spooky. Yeah. We just left ours on during a live one time and I was getting hit on by this ghost named Roy. Yeah. Roy!

I know. Sorry your fiance's so ignorant, you ignorant, Roy wants to say. Well, which we found out was the same name as their grandpa. Yeah. Oh, no way. That's cool. Yeah, who's passed away. So I was like, I don't know.

Maybe he's got a type. Was he kind of pervy? Is he got the same type as me? I do have one more story that was always told it, sleepovers that was the one that stuck in my head the most. Excellent. Do you mind if I keep this on silently just to see if it wants to chime in? Okay, I'll keep it quiet,

but I'll let you know if anything relevant. That's truly one of my favorite things to do is just to sit with it. I can't believe I had like two other ones, but this one's way better already. Like it's way more fun than the other ones. The other ones are 100%. The other ones are like so fake that they're like blood coffin.

And I'm like, okay. I had it out at a restaurant one time and it said Olivia, which is our server. Yeah. And it said it's in, be careful. It's inside. A week later, cause I go there, we go there weekly, my dad and I for lunch.

I go there the next week and she's like, you're never gonna believe this. There was a squirrel inside my chimney. I had to have someone come over and get it out. He saved you. That is bananas. Isn't it? She was scared and I was like, they were trying to help you.

Yeah, that was probably somebody on her in her family or somebody who was like, hey, you can hear me. Tell her about the squirrel. Yes. If it didn't say Olivia first, I wouldn't have connected the two. Yeah, that's 100 percent. And Olivia is so specific. Yeah, I know that that made me get tears in my eyes because I was like, Liv, get over here.

Liv, the ghost want you. Liv, grandma or somebody is here. Someone. So this story is a babysitter story. I'm so scared of babysitter stories. So a babysitter is doing her thing, which is babysitting. And while she's at the house, the parents are like, hey, kid's already in bed.

You actually just have to hang out here until we get back. We're gonna go see dinner and a movie. It's not a big deal. Babysitter's like, dope. Best kind of job. Absolutely. Oreos in the pantry, help yourself. Yes.

So like five, 10 minutes go by, kid starts crying and she's like, I have to actually do something about that. I'm sure. So she goes up, kid is in the crib, right? I'm not saying baby cause I actually don't know. Kids stay in cribs for an undisclosed amount of time. Imagine whatever age you want this kid to be. Okay. But it's crying. All right. So she goes in and she's like trying to calm it down, get it back to sleep.

Okay. So baby goes back to sleep. I do love that you keep calling it it. I do too. I keep waiting for it to get a name or anything. I'm like, this is actually really interesting. That doesn't matter. Okay. This is like,, this is actually really interesting. That doesn't matter. OK. This is like whose line is it anyway?

The baby doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Understood. OK, so babysitter goes back downstairs. She's watching television, I'm sure. And eating Oreos. Baby starts crying again. She's like, what the heck? I'd be back upstairs. Tries to get the baby back down to sleep.

I'm just trying to eat these stuffed canorias. It is. So she gets baby back down to sleep. Before she even gets down the steps, the baby is screaming again. So she goes back in and she realizes that the baby keeps staring at this stuffed clown in the corner. Oh, I know. And so after that time, she just decides this baby is not doing well up here. And that clown is freaking me out. So she goes downstairs, takes the baby with her, calls the parents and she says, Hey, your baby is not staying asleep. And I think it's because they're afraid

of the clown in the corner. And the parents say, that baby doesn't have a clown. Oh no. Who's that clown? That baby doesn't have a clown. It's the best punch line. You're like, the baby doesn't matter. Anyway, it doesn't have a clown is the best punchline. You're like, the baby doesn't matter. Anyway, it doesn't have a clown.

That baby's never met a clown in his fucking life. Never met a clown in his life. And that's how I make sure I'm not scared during stories. That's how I do it. Wow, that was powerful. Horrible one. It makes me, first of all, do we know if this was a life-size clown statue or was it like

a little kid clown or was it? It was also a baby. It was the baby. It doesn't matter. It was like life-size. Did you not hear that? No, it was exactly that. None of that matters, right.

Sorry, but the baby does not have a clown. I'll tell you that. The baby doesn't have a clown. In the corner. No, like that, it was life-size. It was life-size and it was sitting down. Jerry, you were terrified of clowns growing up, was this why? Yes.

Really? Yes. So I was very scared of clowns and when I heard the story that Sierra told about the dog, I always heard it as a killer clown. Yes. See? I think those stories were similar. No, no, that it was a dog but that the killer clown was on the loose, not like a serial killer.

It wasn't like a serial killer, it was a killer clown. Killer clown, like humans can live in tears. See, I think my killer clown was shaking the baby. Your killer clown. He was shaking the baby's crib, making it cry. Oh, I see, I see, I see. Instead of killing the dog, it was shaking the baby. You know what I mean?

Combining the clown and the dog would be an interesting thing because you know what you could do if we were rewriting this clown dog story? And we are. Combining the clown and the dog would be an interesting thing because you know what you could do if we were rewriting this clown dog story? And we are. You think that the dog has a squeaky ball, but it's his nose. It's the front part of the nose.

Whoa. The dog is a clown. Hold on, that dog's never been a clown in his life. The dog does balloon animals, but it's balloon people. Wait a minute. That's pretty crazy. This is starting to get like R rated. I'm getting a little too scared.

Frank, I was gonna say there were a couple different versions of the dog story when I heard it. And all of them were, were honestly just about what happened to the dog. Yeah. Different forms of just torture. Just bad. Yeah.

Just different forms of gruesome detail. I was like, guys, we don't have to keep making this worse. The dog is already dead. I've already lost so much sleep over this story. Please don't keep adding to you. You don't need to keep adding details. And we get it. We get it. Yep. Except Jerry, who forgets it every time and has to hear it. I refuse to remember it.

I am remembering now that my nursery was circus themed. Yeah, it was. What's wrong with you? Why? So there was a pound and a quarter. I didn't make it. I was a baby. Oh, you. I thought you meant your babies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the one that I had for my son,

like the nursery that I designed for my son when people were like, so what's your theme? And I said adult baby. Oh, I love that. I want you to think this baby might be going to college. Right. A briefcase. Understood. Very different than circus or whatever you have. 100%.

I mean, you probably did have a life-size clown. No wonder you have a lot of clown trauma. I do. You had to go hard left. You know, I'm a clown. What? Awkward. Yeah. I was waiting for Christine to say it.

I'm going to go call my mom. Wait, like a juggalo or? Like a juggalo? What? Awkward. Yeah. I was waiting for Christine to say it. I'm going to go call my mom to pick me up. Wait, like a juggalo or... Like a juggalo? What? Or just a juggler. No, like juggalo. Like same cloud posse. You know what ICP is, Em? No.

Okay. Nope. So Em's not that kind of clown. Hey, Eva, put it in the playlist. No, it's the same cloud posse. Don't be scared. It's the same cloud posse. No, it's saying Cloudpossy, it's saying Cloudpossy, I see. Don't be scared. It's saying Cloudpossy. No, like a birthday cloud. No, I think you put in my safe, in the safe space playlist, please. Okay.

Eva did just say, I'm adding it. No! No, M was like a traditional scary type of clown, like the one that like- The one that would shake a baby's crib. What? The one that would, well, okay. Okay, good example, I guess.

But like the one who juggles and shit like that. Yeah, you did juggle. You can juggle. Oh, yeah. Not well, but I can. OK, how many used to be when I when I went to clown school, but plate spinning, you can do it. Blades time out. We're breezing past. Did you say you went to clown school? I did.

Yeah. Is this known? I did. Yeah. I don't know. It's very known. It was episode like five. Yeah, it was in episode five and like barely ever again. And it has just become its own like a lore and legend. We have because that's iconic. Yeah, I used to be at the time. At the time, I was the youngest licensed clown.

You had a license. the youngest licensed clown. You had a license. License to clown. License to clown. Dang, I want to license the clown. License to thrill. No. Do you want to tell them your clown name? Do you do it? Please.

I hate this fucking name. My mom named me. Sassy the Clown. Sassy? That was my dog's name. It's really rough to be... Well, I was trying to be Patty O Furniture. I thought that was funny.

That is hilarious. And by the way, it took me two years and one day I went... It's like a drag game. Oh my God, did you realize that... Oh, sorry. This thing says, I'm listening. I'm listening. Okay.

Oh, baby. So sorry. Sorry, I just turned my computer off. That was me. Apparently I am stupid just like the ghost said. Anyway, patio furniture. It took me two years and one day I went, Oh my God, please. Did you ever hear, realize that it's like patio furniture? And he was like, are you like really and I was like oh I just didn't get it I thought you were just wanted to be Patti Oh furniture no okay what a weird fucking name my mom kept calling me sassy and I was like please God don't let that be my name and then it stuck out of hatred so yeah

yeah she paid for those classes she probably put your name on that she did pay for it she probably deserves deserved to name it a little bit. Certainly. Yeah, certainly. Was clown school an accident? It was certainly by force. I actually didn't want to go to clown school. I thought you did. I thought you got to pick your extracurricular or whatever. That's true. Like I, my mom demanded I take an extracurricular and I refused all the ones she suggested and she was like, well, you might as well go to clown school. And then I went, okay. like, but I didn't want to do it. I, it was just it wasn't like a dream of yours or something. You were just like, sure, if I'm going to do something. It was that or sports. And I was like, I'm not doing that. Fair. I mean, I committed to the bit.

Yeah, I'm very good at doing things out of spite. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like an event an occasion an activity That will turn into a good story. Even if it's traumatizing in the moment I will always do something for the plot Yes, that was why I helped my sister try and get ghosts out of her house the other day for the other day Oh, my app just said I remember Girl that I remember. Girl.

You knew at the house of Jerry the other day? That's fucking wild. Kind of. Oh, that's upsetting. Pray tell. Obviously the ghost wants us to speak on that. So, what do you tell the story? Please fill me in. So my sister is currently living in the house

that we grew up in and it's haunted. It's been haunted forever. All of my sisters and I, there's three of us, have seen a woman in a white dress who used to stand in front of my mom's mirror in their bedroom. Ah. There's a little boy who used to like crawl on the floor

or used to stand in our doorways. Ah, it's crawling. There's some kind of just like energy in my sister's room that is like really dark, like nobody could sleep in there other than my sister. It just felt like heavy. Your sister's so twisted, I love it. She's like, this is comfy for me.

Actually, I thrive in this environment. And then there was like a man who would just walk. Like we didn't ever see him, but we heard him. I have that in my house. This man walks back and forth in the hallway. Yeah. He walked the steps and my room was right above the steps. So I always heard him on the steps.

It just said, I can't see you. Good. Let's keep it that way. Well, that's good. I'm okay. I can't see you. You can't see me. That's probably for the best. So Susan, who Taylor and Morgan or from Creeps and Crimes,

she was working with my sister and was like, hey, what was this place before it was a house? And my sister's like, as far as I know, it's only ever been a house. And she's like, there's a lot of death here. She goes, I would bet money that it was like a cemetery. Like there is death here. Wow.

Like the house is built on top of a cemetery. Is the energy that Susan was picking up. And my sister goes, well, all of our dead dogs are here. And she goes, no, that's not what I'm saying. It's not just the dead golden retreat. Not your pet cemetery. It's yeah. She's like the dark, thick energy that you're feeling,

the reason you're wanting to clear out the house. She's like, that is a man. He's attached to the land. He's been here for a really, really long time and he doesn't want to go. You're going to have to chase him out. You're probably going to have to save your house like three times.

Whoa. And so she, after my sister talked with Susan about everything she needed to do, she FaceTimes me and our other sister and she's like, hey, I need help. And Randy and I are like, best wishes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have fun.

Oh my God. Good for you. Yes. So she has two young kids and she's like, I need somebody to watch my kids cause my kids can't be in the house while I do this. And so Randy said she would watch the kids and I was like, I will do it for the plot.

And so I volunteered and supposedly Susan told Sam, one of your sisters will take your kids and the other will help you with that. No way, see Susan's all knowing. So I followed her around the house with a bell to keep the vibration high. And the only bell she had in the house said ring for blowjobs. No. Chicken run, chicken run.

Eva, if you're listening, can you also put in the chicken run soundtrack on our recording space? Oh yeah, we might as well at this point. Let's be real. So Sam is going around the house with the sage and I'm behind her with a ring for blowjobs. I'm like, these ghosts are never going to leave. This is amazing. Well, the ghost will probably look around and go, this is actually a little too much even for me.

Like, I feel like if I saw if I were like just trying to live my old man life and somebody who's running around with a bell that said like blowjobs, I'd be like, OK, this world, I've actually seen enough of this place. You know what? No, it might really be like the one thing that gets rid of them. Yeah. Did it help?

It helped. The little boy did not cross over. So Susan was like, he knows he's dead, but he doesn't wanna cross over. And so you're gonna have to like force him. And so, but he doesn't want to cross over. And so you're going to have to like force him. And so, but my sister saw him again. So he did not force him. It was crazy.

How did you see him? Like, what is he doing? Was he just like standing? Wow. I wonder why he doesn't want to cross over. I don't know. Maybe he's like scared or like wants his parents or something.

He just kind of, he like messes with stuff. He probably wants to like just like hang around. Yeah. After we did it, so on the like level that you walk in, right inside the house, there are light switches and the one light switch turns on the outside light. The other light switch turns on that room. The third one turns on the outside light. The other light switch turns on that room. The third one turns on upstairs.

All of the switches were off, but the upstairs light was on. And so we were like trying to flip it to turn it off and it would not turn. Ew, it was like staying on. No, I don't like that. No, I'm out. I'm convinced, I actually had a dream that I thought was real. I had to ask

my sister that she said, Susan said the dogs came home with you. Meaning that the dogs that were at my parents' house came back to this house with me. The dead ghost dogs? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, that's precious. That is nice. There's been a couple times. They lick her hands. That's crazy. Ghost dogs lick too. Ghost dogs lick too. But there's been a couple of times

where I've heard scratching at a door and I've opened it to let my dogs in and they're not there. Wow. They're probably also happy to be like with other doggies and stuff. That's like the best case scenario. Yeah, that's like I'd rather then come with me. Well, that's why when you said that, I'm like, oh, no, please tell me no one else came here.

Oh, gosh, no, I actually nobody said anything since we started. So, yeah, that's great. Maybe they just wanted me to start going bark, bark, bark. No, I keep an eye on it. But yeah, especially she, he, they have been silent, so. Thank you. Beautiful energy.

Well, is that all we've got today, people? Before we do like a little bonus on page for a little Yappy Hour? Yeah, I think so. Which, yeah. Incredible name. Thank you so much, it took us 16 tries. Yeah, we called it like so many bad, dumb things Which, yeah. Incredible name. Thank you so much. It took us 16 tries. Took a lot.

Yeah. We called it like so many bad, dumb things and they didn't stick ever. We always got the name wrong. And one day we said, yeah, we said it's never going to stick. And that's the longest running so far. And of it. Brilliant. Yeah.

It works for now. So yeah, if you want to join us over on Patreon, you can do that and listen in your feed wherever you listen to your podcasts. And otherwise, thank you for the first half of our amazing, I'm just so thrilled that we get to do a second half of this in a few weeks or a week. I don't know, time is irrelevant. But yeah, thank you, Sierra and Jerry from Ladies and Tangents, our lovely friends. Yeah, is there anything you'd like to plug? Yeah. Oh, sure. Besides the tour, the big tour.

We're going on tour. Yes. Check our website, ladiesandtangents.com. We have dates for this fall. We are going to be going around, you know, places on the Girl's Got a Wild Tour. Definitely in the United States, for sure. Yeah. I mean, and if all goes well. Hopefully more places. We'd love to come more places. Yeah.

If you want to have like a sleepover party situation with a bunch of really nice people because every show has been just the best crowds, the best people. I'm literally gonna go pajama shopping. Yes. I'm like, I need new jammies anyway, and now I get to wear them out and about. We were thinking about potentially doing a pajama contest. Oh, that's cute. So smart. Watch me show up like trying to win so hard. Everybody out of my way. Somebody already put into like the ladies and phantoms on Facebook page that we have. And it was basically the Ebenezer Scrooge like.

The nightcap. The cap and nightcap. I was like, please wear that. That's how I picture the ghost who wanders my hall up here with an old nightcap. With an old candle light. Yes, like a little old candle. Oh my God. Wait, the Ebenezer, yeah, that's good, that's good. I'm not gonna win, like a little old candle. Oh my God.

The evidence, yeah, that's good. That's good. I'm not gonna win, but I am gonna participate. I'm very excited. I can't wait. And I can't wait. And thank you guys again. And you guys are just at Ladies in Tangents,

probably on everything. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. Of course. Everyone, please also go listen to our new Spotify playlist.

And that's why we tangent Yeah, it's really good. It's gonna be amazing. Can't wait for the part two where we add more I know it's never gonna end probably. I can't wait. Yeah, it's a living growing playlist. Yeah full of bangers All right, we'll see everyone over at yuppie hour then. Alright, see you there. Grab a coffee and discover Vegas level excitement with Bet MGM Casino. Now introducing our hottest exclusive, Friends, the one with Multidrop. Your favorite classic television show is being reimagined into your favorite casino game featuring iconic images from the show. Spin our new exclusive because we're not on a break.

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