And That's Why We Drink - E447 Home Appliance Hauntings and Narcissists in White

Episode Date: August 31, 2025

It’s Episode 447 and we’re just trying to feed our air hunger! This week Em brings the gradual gasps with the story of Jan Wolski and the Emilcin Abduction, a famous alien abduction case from Poland. Then Christine covers the tragic case of the Bishop Family Murders where the killer remains at-large to this day. And is anyone else hoping for a Hannah Montana Tour announcement? …and that’s why we drink! Photo Links:The Emilcin alien drawingThe Emilcin hovercraft depictionSculpture in honor of the UFOEmilcin Alien sculptureThe Bishop FamilyWilliam Bradford Bishop, Jr Want to hear more from us? Subscribe to our bonus Yappy Hours on Patreon or Apple Podcasts! http://patreon.com/ATWWDPodcast___________________ Get $5 off your next order at http://magicspoon.com/drink Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to http://RocketMoney.com/drink today. That’s http://hungryroot.com/drink , code DRINK to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Earn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to http://joinbilt.com/DRINK Save 20% Off Honeylove by going to http://honeylove.com/drink ! #honeylovepod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No, I think you've hidden it pretty well. Christine said, oh yeah, I'm having one of those days where I can't breathe. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking? It's true. Okay, so I actually started Googling it a few days ago because it used to happen to me almost daily. And I would think like, oh, I must. So basically the feeling is like I can't get a full breath in. That sucks.

yeah it does suck and then it kind of like contributes to this sort of like underlying anxiety because you're like overly focused on your breathing and then obviously the more you think about it like the worse it gets and it's just this spiral and it's so bad when I'm trying to sleep at night because it's like I'm trying to slow my heart rate down but like when I can't get a full breath my heart rate starts going up anyway oh my god it hasn't happened for a while I think I've just been more stressed this week I don't know but it's been happening more and so I finally googled it because I was like this has to be a thing like I like I I don't know. I'm assuming it's anxiety. For a while, I told M. For a while, I thought I punctured a lung because I did actually have this weird thing where when I turned, there was like a sound. What the fuck, Christine? Are you okay? I don't know, because it didn't happen when I turned the other way.

Do you want to record today? We don't have, we can. No, no, I'm fine. Seriously. Girl, you can't say both of those things in the same sentence. It's, it's, so there's a word for it. And it's what it is. It's called air hunger.

And it's, it sounds so. like disturbing but it really is this idea of like you're you're so focused on trying to get a breath because you can't you don't feel like you have enough air so you're like patient zero for the people who need to like remind themselves to breathe see that's the problem is like you're not even like to get out of it there's some like tactics and like you're really not supposed to think about it too much because then you're really trying to breathe and like I guess the idea the point what's happening is it's a backup of carbon dioxide and so you're you're you're getting more carbon dioxide build up in your body because you're kind of maybe breathing

shallowly due to anxiety. And that's kind of how it often starts. This is also a post-COVID thing people get sometimes. And yeah, it's a thing. And apparently one of the ways to do it is to really, really intentionally and like slowly breathe out and hold your breath at the bottom of your breath to try and like get used to getting the carbon dioxide out of your system. anyway i was watching that uh under my daughter's bed the other day as i was like trying to fall sleep next to her she had a stomach bug and i was like cannot breathe how to lay on floor while not able to breathe anyway it's just been a while time so i'm like when m looked at me like what are you even saying to me right now i was like oh i've never talked about this but i felt

if anyone could relate i think you've mentioned it before i think you've mentioned it before but i didn't understand the severity i think you were like oh yeah i'm like just having like a like I'm flustered kind of breathing. Yeah, it just, and then it's like, the reason I tell people too is because I'll do, I'll do this thing where I'll go like, and I'll do this like big breath when I finally get air and like inevitably somebody will go like everything okay, which is like a normal reaction when someone sighs loudly and you're like right in your presence. And so for a while, Blaz was like, are you okay?

And I, so eventually I'd say like, please don't ask me if like if I'm okay when I do a big breath because I'm just trying to breathe. And so I'm less self-conscious about it now, at least when I'm, like, laying in bed. But if anyone sees me yawning, too, that's, like, part of it is, like, you start trying to yawn. Yeah, like, you're literally trying to get oxygen. So I'm not bored. I'm just trying to get air. Anyway, I'm sorry.

It sounds so dramatic. I feel like it's a normal. What an elaborate excuse to be bored for my story and just tell me preemptively. If I yawn and sigh and I look like I don't want to be here, it's not you, it's me. I've just stopped giving a shit, but I don't want you to know. it you know uh no no so that so anyway i i didn't even mean that's my reason i drink i guess because i wasn't really prepared with one that's why i drink too i feel bad making you well now i'm worried about my whooshing rib like because you acted like that wasn't normal are they not connected

they're not a oh i don't know maybe they are i don't know maybe it's like you like you know when you crack your knuckle and that it feels better maybe you crack your leg would feel better Somewhere Blaz's eyebrows just went up like a centimeter and he was like, what's happening? Um, I, I was Jess at the doctor. If you texted me about this, I could have asked for you about that. Oh, that would, yeah, I should have zoomed in. I should have, uh, should have facetimed in. Just be like, oh, quick little cube. My friend's not breathing. Um, what should I do? Two fur for you. Yeah. Oh, man. No, you should pretend it was you. Be like, um, yes, I have this problem.

I can't breathe, as you can tell. It's called air hunger. Wow, well, I feel, I'll try not to make you laugh too hard then. Don't worry. Maybe that'll fix it, like, you know, hiccups or something. I mean, I don't know. How long has it lasted before? Like, what's the... Oh, days. I mean, it goes on days.

It's really awful. Oh, my God. Okay. I mean, it gets better throughout the day, like, if I do breathing exercises. But, man, I think... And it hasn't been since, like, college really this bad, so I don't know. Is it, like, altitude sickness when, like, you're trying to catch a breath and it doesn't ever feel right. That's sort of kind of how it feels. And I wish I could send you like a

tank of oxygen. I don't know. Oh, thank you. I, you know, I will also add I did feel, I'm on my period, so nobody asked, but I did feel like this when I was very pregnant also. But I think that's probably a different thing. But it's the same kind of idea where it's like, well, that one I imagine like there was a baby kind of pushing against your lungs. Exactly. And it feels kind of like that. Like I can't get the space to breathe. That's the weirdest thing. But, um, next week on, I didn't know I was pregnant. I know, right? I'm literally, that's why I announced my menstrual cycle.

Anyway, too bad nobody knows when we're recording, so you can't trick me yet. I won't triangulate my menstrual cycle yet. Not yet, but give it 24 hours, probably. Probably. Okay, well, what do you drink? Tell me you're drinking water or something. Oh, I'm drinking. An energy drink or some shit?

Dr. Pepper, Angry Orchard. Girl. And then I found this really big. bag of candy in my closet. I don't know where it's from. You are destined for chaos. And it's a bag of those hard candies with strawberry in the middle. And it's only a few months expired, so I feel like it's fine to eat. Yeah, spoken like a true mom. Yeah, but apparently at one point of my life, I bought 130 strawberry candies. That is the least weird part of it all. I know, right? So anyway, that's what's happening in my life.

my neck of the woods. It's their fault for making 130 candy bags. It's not my fucking problem. They obviously knew some of them would sell it. Well, okay, I'm well, sorry about that and that we have to record, but I'm loving it. Maybe it's a distraction, you know? Sure. I, can I help you?

This dog is just the, it's just. I was like, that's so thoughtful. Let me think. Do you have an oxygen tank? Are you okay? He's having anxiety on his own today. Uh-oh. Today was the first day.

I don't know what I thought happened. I went to the doctor. I left him here, and as everybody knows, I'm always scared that he's destroying something. And when I went to check the cameras, it said, not connected. And I went, I just know that means the dog ate the router. I just know this what it means. Like, he ate the Wi-Fi router. The Wi-Fi is out.

Oh, my God. And I came home, and I opened the door, and he, usually he's, like, busting out of the door to see me. he wasn't he hears you he wasn't anywhere he wasn't in the living room this is like probably my nightmare the closest the closest thing to like a paranormal experience i've had in a while he was not in the living room he was not in the kitchen he was not in the bedroom or the bathroom and i was like calling for him i was like where are you hank hang hang that's terrifying and i looked everywhere there's like six walls on this house so it wasn't hard to look i looked everywhere i even then i was like maybe he like got out in the back like he learned how to use a doorknob and I like ran outside and I would not put that past him and when I turned around he was like he just came out of nowhere I swear to God he like re-vanished like the opposite of I looked everywhere there's an I there was not where did he reappear he reappeared in the bedroom that I had to walk all the way through to get to the door and I looked everywhere I was like where the hell is this dog did you like hear him or was he just sitting didn't hear anything

he was just standing there what the F and I like I he is never if he weren't at the door waiting for me, I would have heard his feet running towards the door when I got him. And he was just nowhere. And that's even eerier because if for some reason he didn't rematerialize, like I think he did, I'm still like, why? What's going on energy wise that you like don't give a shit anymore when I come home? You just like hid for and then I was calling for you and you didn't come and then you, I mean, maybe he was like really asleep. I don't know. Like I'm trying to think of things that would like, but where would he, does he ever go under the bed or something? No, we don't have an under the bed.

we oh it's i don't know where i don't know i i literally came in screaming from because i thought maybe he went to the beyond like we do like really went to the beyond i think so he really seemed to fade into existence i wonder if there's a portal in your bedroom is that comforting nope i i really did have a full panic where in the bedroom like by your bed or like by the door you have to so when you're walking into my bedroom there's my bed on the left and then there's a dresser on the right and there's a patio and then there's a door to a patio and I looked left and right and he was not there and I walked across the room and I opened the door and went outside to see if he had gotten out somehow in the yard and when I turned around he was just

standing in the bedroom and I was like I don't know what happened I it could have just been I don't know there's no way hiding in the bathtub I'm like where well he hates the bath he has hates the bathroom. Yeah. And also because I'm scared of him eating everything, I close off the bathroom and any other side. Right. He only has access to the kitchen and living room. Did he have like one of those things when he's like, I didn't do it? I didn't. Like, was there any trouble afoot? No, but maybe he was hiding? When he, he, when we saw each other, he jumped up on me and his heart was pounding like crazy. And I was like, is he scared? Like, was he hiding?

And I didn't, he had pretty damn well. I didn't see where he was. But he, he, I don't know. It was just very weird and honestly he could just been. Maybe he was having a bad dream. Maybe he was having, were you having a bad dwe? And then he heard you open the door and went, oh, oh, who's that? And then I said, oh, I was so scared. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I was just a weird moment where I was like, he's never not cared. And I like how my response is like, this must be supernatural that you don't care about me all of a sudden. When you said it was the closest to a paranormal, I thought you're going to say like closest to a parenting experience. And then he said paranormal and I went, oh, that changes the tone. I'm sorry. I thought we were going like a parental

room. And then he said paranormal. I went, okay. Interesting. Well, I'm wondering if there was like an energy surge because the Wi-Fi went out. And then when I came here, the Oh, maybe he got scared. Oh, and he hid somewhere. Yeah. Because the- Oh, you got to figure out his hiding spot then. If you can't, if you don't know where it is

and he's hiding somewhere, you better fucking put on another energy surge and see where he goes. He, well, he, the Wi-Fi was out. The dishwasher had turned itself on, which the dishwasher does have internet, which is very odd. What? Isn't that? And the oven has internet.

Jeez. Oh, that's cool. And all of them were on. The oven was on. And I went, what? This has to be a, this can't be right. First of all, to me, this is more paranormal than the dog appearing. But I love that, like, now it's either one, they could either both be paranormal

or they could be both completely, like, explainable by science, like the, but this, because the energy surge, yeah, maybe that freaked him out. I don't know or maybe I don't know it was just all the portal and set off the dishwasher and everything went to hell I think I was also just so high alert so I was like my dog is gone and yeah of course and then all of a sudden he showed up without making a single sound and I was like what the hell and then all of a sudden all the machines were on and I'm like and the Wi-Fi was out and I don't know what's going on so it was just maybe he scared himself somehow yeah oh poor baby proof that I will make anything a ghost so I know I mean maybe it was maybe a ghost set off your watch set off your Wi-Fi and I hope not um anyway and then I drink a uh iced tea that I I sent it out I sent out for it so you sent out for it lovely that's great um other than that I got I got nothing I guess um about to see my parents this week and we're recording so far in advance people yeah by the time you hear this they'll have been gone for like a month it's like it's like weeks ahead so I I

I do fear we'll be a little, like, behind on any sort of, uh, whatever. We're just running off. I feel like, you know, it's like the train went off, like a rogue, a rogue train. This is a bad analogy. I'm trying to think of like an analogy where we left everyone behind and like they just better, they're going to have to catch up and we won't have a way to kind of retroactively fix anything. Can I make a prediction then?

Uh, when people hear this, they will probably have more of an answer than what I have now. I don't know where you've been. but biggest news of the year christine and obviously i got i got to keep you young here you ready yeah 20th anniversary of hannah montana and myly cyrus said that she has something special in the works okay and i swear to god if it is a hana montana tour i will scream i'm telling you no money no amount there's no this is my eras tour This is, I don't care if it's a million dollars, I will find the money. I am so excited.

I've already made an imaginary set list of like how I think all the songs will go in order. Oh my God. I literally, I can't even, like, I have goosebumps thinking about it. What would your t-shirts say? Would it be puffy paint? Would it be like you made, you had it made online? Would you make it yourself? Well, obviously, we're dressing as Hannah Montana characters.

Right. So feathers for sure. I don't know if I should be Hannah Montana or like I should be Mike Stan. which was like her friend Oliver's alter ego in disguise. Like Stan. I was thinking about maybe being her horse. I was thinking about... That's a good one.

That could be two people. I know. Oh, wait, hold on. Hank can be the horse. He, yes. What's the horse's name? Blue Jeans. He'll be Blue Jeans.

I don't even remember. Renee was so into that show and it has such a big place in my heart, but we didn't have Disney Channel until like high school or something. So I could only watch it at her house. But it is, it was a, it's a great show. oh it was everything to me and and by the way hannah montana was my first concert ever went to so oh my god so it's literally i mean this is talk about eras tour like fucking move aside i know it was the best of both worlds tour in 2006 and i i'm imagining she's going to recreate the best of both

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and it's uh his name is Jan Volski and the Emilchen abduction good luck to me on pronunciation um so Jan is the character

and Emilchen is the town that this happened in this is in 1978 by the way can you hear my battery my fire alarm battery oh that's probably why he's upset Do you know that when Gio hears a smoke alarm battery, he will literally go into the smallest part of the house and, like, will not come out.

Oh, really? Yeah, like he will hide, hide. That might be what it is. Because that chirping noise apparently, I mean, for Gio, at least, like, it's the one noise that will make him, like, completely lose his mind. Like, I once found him, like, behind the toilet, like, trying to get away from the sound. And I was like, what the hell are you doing in here?

Oh, that's like that chirp. And what are the odds? Why is that now setting off with, like, the whole energy search. And because your Wi-Fi went out. Yeah. Well, he's going to have to deal with it. I don't know to tell you. Okay.

But no, I can't hear it. Okay, cool. As long as no one else can hear it, that poor dog and is sensitive ears, though. Okay. Let's get into it. This is Jan Volski. 1978 in Emilchen, Poland. Jan is a 71-year-old farmer.

And he has never changed his story. Just fun fact. Until he died, he never changed his story. So this morning, he, he, is driving his horse-drawn wagon oh yon and and saw he saw two beings standing near the road walking the same direction as his cart was going it's got to be something to have the same cart the same horse for decades probably you're just like doing the same thing 70 years you know same routine every single day small town pulling and then all of a sudden there are these fucking

beings and you're probably like all right so finally something to really change change my day up. Yeah. This wagon and cart. She's honest work, but she's old, you know? Oh, yeah. She's got a, she can make use of a little break here on the side of the road. Well, so he sees these two beings.

And at first he thought they might be hunters because he was driving in the woods. These two random people are in the woods. And he soon noticed that they're, he was trying to get a look at them to see if they were hunters. And he noticed that their skin was green. Okay. And he also noticed that they seemed to be slow. down as if waiting for yon to catch up with them so they're walking they're walking they're walking the path and they see him in the cart and then you know that thing where you're

awkwardly like also slowing down but then everyone's kind of really awkwardly slowing down and it's like am i supposed to pass you or oh no and then you realize that they're slowing down on purpose and they're green they're green and your horse is probably like what the fuck is that the horse is like i've been doing this for 70 years i'm so fucking tired seriously like today not today not today so when he got closer to them he also saw that they were walking oddly um he it was as if their legs were too big for their body frame ew this is already like your last story that freaky alien guy which one sand down clown yeah yeah yeah like like awkwardly proportion and stuff yes uh it was as if his legs were too big for his frame and also they were walking slowly because of it as if they were scuba divers

underwater they're not used to the gravitational pull of earth actually that's so smart you're right i think maybe they don't they don't have to lift their legs i'm telling you i'm telling you i'm a i'm a soothsayer i know about hank's anxiety i know about these aliens of their big old legs i think you're totally right by the way because i've never seen him pacing like this he must actually be like That noise really, like, gets geo-worked up. Is there, like, a button or is it like a... I think I have to, like, take the whole thing off. Is it, do you have, like, an app for it, or is that the one thing in your house?

Oh, my God, you have a dishwasher that's attached to your internet, but not a smoke detector. Wow. Yeah, I don't... Unless I, like, take it apart and take the battery out, but then what it's still make noise? Oh, then that is weird that it's going off. Yeah. I don't know. I just remember that episode of Friends with Phoebe, and I'm like, honestly, I don't want to give advice.

I know. Yeah, I feel like it's not going to help. I have an idea. I think I'm going to open the door to the back so he can maybe just go sit out there. Yeah. Please hold. Please stand by. We have to step away and go get why.

Answer the door. I gave him some frozen carrots to make his life a little better. Oh, baby. Maybe that'll help me too. Frozen carrots? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, give it a world.

Let's see. Okay, so they're walking as if their legs are too big. they're scuba divers but once he caught up with them the two beings split up on either side of the road so that the cart would have to drive between them okay which now it's feeling like this is a plan of attack of like yeah exactly like you're surrounded they uh yeah so he sees that he's about to have to walk between them he weirdly is okay with this he's like i'm just gonna keep moving i mean i guess it's probably like get past these weirdos how do you put a horse in reverse.

Could he just do that? Beep, that's what I assume. That's how I taught Leona when she's doing a maze with a marker. She goes, oh no! Because she hits a dead end

and I go, and so now I hear her go, beep, beep, when she reverses out of the dead end. So that's my only answer. I have absolutely no clue. I assume you have to do a halt then turn somehow

and do some sort of maneuvering. Like how big is the cart? How unwieldy is it to just... Oh, the cart. That's right. Yeah. Can you just kind of yank the horse into it like to go back that's what you and i would do yeah i'd be like get out of here

how is this horse not sensing a problem yeah the scuba divers i don't know maybe they know not to spook the horse or maybe they're doing that thing where they put a calm over everyone oh because they're both pretty calm huh mm-hmm so he sees that he's about to get between these two creatures who are now on either part of the road disengage your survival instincts by the way i think that's really fucked up that they like put you at ease because it's like at least if someone's kidnapping you like you have your you can like in in real life you can have like your fight back whatever but it's like you put a fucking like spell over me that's cheating like that feels like I should be able to have my fight flight flight freeze moment it also makes me feel really stupid

because I'm like what are these survival instincts for if they can't help me survive what's the point right it's like okay I guess I'm a randomase what else is new And also it's weird that aliens can sense that they need to disarm that. Well, maybe they don't sense it. Maybe they've had bad experiences and been like, okay, we apparently need to sedate these rats before we pull them on to our, because they really lose it once they get up here. Well, okay, so he gets in between these two beings and without any sign of it, they both just jump into his cart. It feels like like a like a car robbery or something, like a. Yeah, it feels like a poorly executed.

I mean, I guess not, because they did just kind of do a little, like, I'm surprised they were able to jump anywhere. I know. With those big old legs. Well, I think they just stepped in. I feel like they just went, they just like, they jump into the cart and they decide that they're, they don't even say anything to him, nothing.

They just get in the cart. They sit on the back and they ride in the cart with him. Yon seems way too calm about this part in interviews he, has literally said they didn't seem dangerous so he just let them hitch a ride. I'm like, they're green, babe. What are you talking about? I mean, maybe there's some foreigners, I don't know. Maybe some like explores from another area and he's

like, who the hell are these weirdos? Maybe he assumed that they had yeah, green paint on because they're hunters and it's camo. That's exactly where I, my brain went. I was like, maybe he thought it was like a tactic, I don't know, but to like hop on, you'd be right. It must be some sort of mask they're putting over like a calming. Also, maybe it's a like yeah I have to assume because unless it's like a cultural difference I would still even if

they weren't doing anything dangerous I'd be like why the fuck are you on my car and you didn't ask permission to be here maybe that is maybe you're right maybe that is a cultural thing like oh well we're driving to the woods like I guess it's kind of rude if you don't say anything but sure hop on I mean it used to be a thing back in like the 40s and 50s right that you would just like sit on someone's bumper and they would just like you just hitch a ride you know like right I feel like maybe it's, maybe that's not weird. I guess I would wonder, I mean, he must have thought it was at least odd, but not maybe not like dangerous, you know. I guess so.

Also, like, male privilege, am I right? Because if we were driving all of a sudden to beings that all just got on the car. But that's what I'm saying. If they're disabling our panic alert, it's like, that's not fair. I should be able to say, uh-uh, horse giddy up. You know, like, yeha-ha, let's get out of here. Well, so despite them apparently being tiny, the horse seemed to move noticeably slower with them on board

as if they were heavier than they seemed. Their gravitation, I'm telling you. And apparently, like, a horse can carry up to like two or three hundred pounds or something. I mean, I guess a cart and a human being, maybe like this was the final straw, you know? I don't know how it works with wheels. I know the wheels are definitely making it easier, so I don't know. That's a good point. Anyway, apparently the horse is.

Like, whatever. I'm just going to, I'm going home and whoever's here is here. Right. While they're sitting there, these beings, Yon can hear them talking to each other, and he said that they were speaking in a short but very fast language that he couldn't understand. Ooh, a short, fast, like,

like, people, like that. It's like you're there. Why is your skin turning green? Here I come. Why are your legs so freakishly long? Oh, that's just genetic. He also saw more of what they looked like because he had time to kind of eyeball them. And apparently, this is what they looked like, but it's kind of a long, a long description.

Five feet, green skin, as we know. So far, it's just like Cynthia Revo in that one movie. Yeah, in that one movie. Apparently they had webbed hands, and then they had a hump on their shoulders that looked like a blanket was, like, under their clothes. Okay, so, like, weird, okay. Long but oddly thick legs, which we've discussed. Slanted and completely dark eyes.

Ooh. A thin mouth with no lips. Oh. No nose, reptilian. Reptillion, reptilian. Yeah, because then the next thing is no nose, but a small bump and then openings for nostrils. No. And high cheekbones.

No, no, no. And then these creatures were wearing tight yet seamless black hooded rubber suits covering their whole bodies. You hear about that seamless thing, like that they had seamless metal, seamless clothing. And it always hurts my feelings because it's like we get it. Everything's better there. It's like, okay, you don't have to solder shit. Fucking congratulations. I think it's cool to melt metal.

Yeah. Big whoop. Hinges are cool and decorative now if you buy them on Etsy. So that's the main description of them. and eventually he's driving this cart with them on it into a clearing in the woods and this is where the beings motion him to stop.

Oh, boy. He goes into this clearing, stops the cart, and they look up and there is a round metallic UFO hovering in the sky. And apparently hovering in a way where you can see it oscillating between up and down to keep itself in one space. So that's probably old-time-eat alien technology

then. They've got seamless, but they don't have that, like completely stationary shit down yet yeah exactly they're not still sorry nice try um as mentioned the UFO was oddly smooth with no seams uh had no windows and it was as if the whole thing was made of one piece of metal it cast no shadows on the trees and it had a shimmer to it as if it was nickel plated whoa uh yawn later said this is a quote it was the size of a medium sized and was entirely white and equipped with elements

that whirled and buzzed. Whoa! Another quote is that at each corner of the object about halfway up were four barrels with black rods running through them. I'm going to show you a picture in a sec.

These rods spun rapidly and their motion produced a faint but constant hum as he approached the hum grew louder resembling the buzzing of bees. So it's almost like a helicopter. Like the chopping.

buzzing sound interesting yes uh yeah like a helicopter i'm trying to find my self and my text messages because i find myself wow um that's beautiful if we you know if we make our instagram one of those kind of inspirational ones we could put like a little drop quote and just say like um i'm trying to find myself am shultz episode whatever look i just need to find myself yeah um okay i'm sending you um two pictures if i'm going like this just because I'm trying to breathe and I don't want to gasp into the camera, or into the microphone.

It sounds so miserable what you're going through. It's like not a good time, but I don't want any to feel like I'm just like yawning and stuff. I have a thing called propranol that lowers my heart rate and a thing called Xanax that really calms me down. So if you ever need either of those. Speaking of expired candy, I have probably propranol from like 2005,

so I might need to borrow yours. It's, I feel like it would be really good for this. I think that's what I was originally prescribed propranol for, because when I was it was grad school at BU and I was I would like stop breathing all the time to before presentations I would get so freaked out and it was like not about anything important it was like that guy should not Paul Schneider's class and I was like I don't really care but like my body is fucking freaking out and that's when they gave me propranol for like my heart rate and my

pulse and sweating I um I what I just saw my doctor today uh he was like okay so how like your medications how's that going and I was like do not ever take me off propranolol yeah that's That one's got a... Remember when Blaise's mom was like, I don't understand. That's for... Beta blockers for heart patient. And I was like, listen, I've been on this since 2000, whatever year we were in grad school. And I mean, not on it regularly, but like, you know, have used it before.

And it was very helpful. I mean, between the stage fright and then actually ending up having heart problems, I was like, this is just a two for one situation. Yeah, we got to just, this is a staple in the old apothecary. Yeah, I was like, there's... I told him today, I was like, if I ever tell you, take me off for Pranolol, it's a test, do not fail. Like, do. Christine has taken my brain over and is trying to, I don't know, get some for herself.

We don't know what's like going on. It's like it's SpongeBob when Plankton has like the things in Sponelior. I mean, that's literally, I was like being John Malkovich or SpongeBob are my only references for that concept. Oh, man. Okay. So I'm going to send you two pictures of, um, one is a description of the alien that I just described.

So you can see a picture of it. If anyone wants to see these pictures, you can just type in the, uh, a mulechin abduction, and they're, they're the first pictures that pop up. Um, so the first one is a picture of the alien. Uh, the second picture is of the actual hovercraft, or not actual hovercraft, but I guess a, a drawing of it. Because, no, my word. Oh, my word. I know. Isn't it nice?

No. Okay. I agree. It's, uh, so how would you. describe it because it's an interesting UFO it's not a usual saucer it's a piece of an ikea table yeah it looks like um it almost looks like a camper without its wheels and then like some like steel bars on each corner when you're connecting two pieces of furniture and they both have thread it's like a long threaded screw with no head on the end it's just two like open and one long

screw. It's sort of like a camper with no wheels from the 70s with like these little almost handles on all four sides with the yeah, those like long screws. It looks like they have like threaded material. So if they're like a steel bar like a yeah like a threaded steel bar. So so it's like going up and down on those screws I bet. Maybe and also keep in mind they're whirling. Like it's as if they're like the screw is moving. Yeah. So interesting. It's like an early propeller type thing yeah like it's you it's almost like um you know what it reminds me of those toys where you'd have the handle and the two metal pieces and you'd have almost a yo yo yo but it was like a yo yo yo on metal bars and it would go yeah what are those i don't know but it's almost like

the UFO would be that on the two metal bars okay like no one knows what we're talking about we're doing such a benched on to it um anyway it's it's a weird looking UFO That's what you got to know. People should draw what they're thinking. We are saying and then we should compare it. We should bring back and that's why we draw. I know. Good times.

So anyway, that's what he sees. And one source says that Yon's horses actually also got spooked by this. And Yon couldn't control the horse. And then the alien grabbed the horse's reins and helped stop the cart. Uh-uh. I don't love that. And it's like... Calm down, little horse.

even if he's just like a better cowboy than you i'm like i'm still offended but like he also yeah you can't even walk without looking like a buffoon okay so the aliens then they like i said they waved him to stop they look up and see this UFO they get off the cart and they kind of motioned for him to follow them to the UFO come on now we're friends come on you we'd go way back all five minutes he looked up at the UFO again and he saw that there was a platform coming down from the UFO and the platform had some

weird shimmery cables on it I guess that connected it to the UFO one of the creatures got onto the platform motioned for Yon to grab onto the cables and climb up onto the platform with him and Yon did this but he remembers not feeling any fear but still feeling a sense of being hypnotized into obeying

okay because I was like that feels unreasonable but all right so by now I'd be like no I'm not I dropped you off at your place and now I'm going to my place thank you I'm really busy actually my horse and I have big plans he honestly I think you were right earlier I think maybe yon just like needed an interesting day because the way that he was handling this up until now do it for the plot without feeling hypnotized he was just like sure we're in we're in this now yon for sure did it for story time you know I get it I get it too. So they get on the platform and remember there were two aliens. One of them is on the platform with him, showed him to grab the cables, is helping him onto the platform. Alien number two did not go up with them, but went back to the cart and seemed to be studying the horse. Okay.

I was like, what do they do with the horse? So I don't love that. I don't love like leaving a babysitter with the horse. No. I don't like that. I'm like, is the horse safe? But also I understand that they, probably what they were talking about on the back of that car was like okay i'm going to go for the human you go for the horse and that way we get two studies

and one right we got to meet our quota by the end of the month one of them's got to stay on earth though like ugh yeah why didn't the horse come up it's like that's what i'm wondering how did they know that the horse wouldn't be willing but the person would be i don't know maybe the horse just has stronger survival instincts because it's a horse and a human's easier to like manipulate i don't know maybe the horse is too big for the door honestly that's Well, think about how heavy they were. Maybe he'll be like 20 times heavier on this spacecraft, you know? That's a great point, too.

I do wonder, like, do aliens, which I don't wish this because I don't want to live in fear, but do aliens, are they also interested in studying our pets and other animals? Well, think about, like, cow mutilations. I don't know if that's in, like, where their blood is fully drained and the organs go missing. So I would, I would bet, yeah, but I would bet that's probably old. older science. So like, yeah, 70s maybe. I don't know. I don't know how time works with them, but isn't it interesting that an alien sees a cow, though, and goes that one's for draining blood, and then sees a human and goes that one's for probing? You know, like, how does it,

why does it want different things? Well, it's, like, we study rats because they're smarter than other animals. You know, we study apes and how they live. I feel like maybe it's, they're looking at us like a primitive species, you know, but like, obviously higher on the food chain and more interesting than maybe a cow, no offense. So the cow's listening? Yeah. Yeah. We're bovine brothers.

So the platform rises up and him and this alien or... Sands Horse and Sands one of the aliens. Sands Horse and researcher. And apparently the platform, the way it's moving up to the UFO, Yon didn't feel it move at all, but knew that they were moving quickly. and the alien got on the craft waved him inside he stepped in and he noticed that the walls also had no seams no hinges and yet once they were inside the door rolled up into the wall cool yeah you know i love that you know i want all cordless and just like no lines no seams like let's just clean it up you know just have things rolling up and down how beautiful once they weren't flushed once they were once they were were inside, Yon was in a plain black room with benches lining the walls. And apparently the walls felt like very thick glass. Oh. Other than that, he said that there was no decor at all. Like, there was no furnishings. There was nothing. It was just an empty room. Okay. I didn't want to go

like way too far into the minimalist thing, right? I just wanted to know seams so I could put more pictures up. But you would think the seamless would add to what the potential would automatically give way but I guess like then you're like well where's the door because if I hang my photo if I hang my prize sponge bob poster here and then like the door just rips it in half I'm gonna cry that's a good go all the way back to earth and wait for another Miley Cyrus tour to get my poster to get a new poster I don't think so amen I um you would hope they would know where the door is but also what if like part of the technology is that the door can open anywhere hmm so it's like the whole wall is a door so you can't put anything on the wall

open a door there. Whoa, that's cool. Maybe that's a really good point. Then you couldn't hang anything on the walls. Also, like, maybe they're like, that's what rats and dumb humans do. Maybe they're like, can you imagine if that is a possibility? And then they look at our decor and they're like, you have the door in one spot always. That's so lame, you know? It's really sad. So primitive. It's embarrassing, actually. You have to go walk all the way over there. I'm fully embarrassed. I will admit it. I don't want, I don't want cords. I'm sick of it. I don't think you've had it. I've had it up to here.

So he's in this plain room, very thick glass-like walls, and he said that the floor was very polished. And then weirdly, I don't know any more information on this. I know this is something that you probably want a lot more or no information on. We want answers. Apparently there were several birds lying on the floor, which they weren't dead, but they seemed parallel. I don't know what to do with that

and then all of a sudden I'm like thank God the horse stage downstairs you know like yeah yeah yeah so they're in the room with them on the floor they're in the room just kind of scattered on the floor which like part of me is like did the birds get in like a fly or something like did they

accidentally just crash in or did they were the birds studying and just left on the floor interesting I was thinking if the gravitation but then he would feel different because i was like maybe if they're studying the gravitation of flying in like their in their atmosphere but i don't know maybe that's just

their study chamber and they're like just get put them in there with the birds i don't know that's so weird all he knows i'd be extra if i wasn't scared yet seeing a bunch of paralyzed animals on the floor imagine if they weren't if they weren't paralyzed and they were flying around I mean honestly I think I was about to say this I it's like a shameful but I think my first reaction would be like oh thank God they're not moving like I would be like screaming well you might be on to something because he said he knew they were paralyzed or or he even said he was unsure if they were even paralyzed but something was happening to them where they were kept from moving outside of their head so like it was almost like they were in some sort of transfer they were

also stuck so that way they wouldn't bother anybody like weird yeah it was a very weird like random thing that only a few sources even brought up so in here there were two more aliens similar to the previous two and they spoke in hand gestures uh and they motioned for him to take his clothes off um and as he did one of the beings actually began to help him take his clothes off i guess he wasn't doing it fast enough and seriously like you don't even know how to you your pants are giant balloons so go away yours in a scuba gear excuse me please yeah so they

took his clothes off and the other aliens had what looked like plates but they ended up vibrating so they're like these vibrating disks and they had them on their hands almost like wearing them like a glove or like suction cup to their hands but two plates one for each hand they were vibrating

one source that they also made a weird clicking sound but then they just kind of put them on yon's body and kind of rub them around almost like they were like a portable scanner whoa sound frequency or like a tambourine or kind of but also a lot of people i'm not tambourine i'm sorry a symbol i meant yeah i knew what you meant i got you um i i think a lot of people have also compared this to stories where people said that they felt like they were getting a weird x-ray oh okay okay yeah so like some sort of scanning device. Something. Yeah. Okay. They moved the plates all around, all parts of his body, including, like, under his arms and, like, every nook and cranny. And every time they got one side of his body, the other creatures would then rotate yon.

One source said, as if they were, like, posing him for a mugshot. What? So they could get the other side. So it's like when they do your dental x-rays and they're like, all right, like, now we're going to move this here and stand still. and like we'll put this big metal thing on or like apron on you so weird and you're like I don't know what's happening but okay well they never held him down or anything nothing felt particularly uncomfortable other than being naked next to a bunch of paralyzed birds in the sky sorry my tongue is all red from that candy but that is a wild statement nothing was too

uncomfortable aside from standing naked two aliens and a bunch of dead birds Oh, Lord have mercy. Let's put it this way. He's handling it in a way that even if they put me under a trans, I would not be handling it as well. I was going to say even if they disabled your fight, flight, or freeze, I think you would find a way to, like, hit the override button. It's kind of like when they get to your armpits, you would completely override. I'm so glad you said it because I was trying not to mention my armpits one more time. It's true.

But I did think it. I was like, if they lifted my arms, I'd go, you better fucking put it down. This is where I finally draw the line. I was going to say it's kind of like when I give Hank the max dosage of tracadone to take him to the doctor, and then he will fight it. It's as if there's no tracadone in his system. That would be me under a trance on this UFO if they try to touch my armpits. Try me.

My adrenaline can outdo anything you can put in my system. I would wake up so quick. I don't care what they've done. So they never held them down or anything. It was like that was as invasive as it got, which is invasive enough to me. Well, thank God at least, yeah. But after they did this, Jan was then gestured by the aliens

to get dressed again. Which I would have gone, oh, that's it. Okay, great. Great. Yeah, so I'll put my clothes back on. And they would have gone, well, let us think. And I'd go, no, no, you were right the first time.

I said nothing. Before they finished, the aliens did seem particularly interested in, they were looking at like all of his clothes that they took off of him. They were really interested in his belt. And apparently they kept undoing it and then redoing it and then commenting to each other about it.

Shut up. So it's like how, I'm sorry, I keep making these comparisons, but it's like on the good place when Michael's like fascinated by paper clips. He's like, it's a fascinating, like a piece of metal that holds two papers. You know, I feel like if you think about it, yeah, it's pretty interesting about how that works if you've never seen it. I mean, we know that I love a living history museum and anytime I can like see in real time like old petticoats and shit. Combs or things people use like mirrors and yeah. It's like fascinating. What are they called?

garters like the sock holders and the arm yeah yeah yeah oh yeah I'm always like wow so they just put this here okay and then they have a little clip seedware yeah so I imagine that's what they were doing they were like look at this old technology and I wonder if it yeah and I wonder if it was like the belt where the it has a buckle and the the tooth thing he goes in or if it was one of the kinds where you put it through two hooks or two loops and like pull it couldn't have been that one because they even I don't know how to do that there's no way an alien figure that I to That geometry is far too complex for anyone to understand. I used to know back in my American Eagle days, may she rest in peace.

I don't know if you've heard the controversy on that. No, what happened? Oh, I can't even get into it. Let's just say that there's- It feels like a TikTok thing. There's some eugenics propaganda. Oh, oh, of course I've seen that. Yeah, she's all, she's, she's, she's, I'm like a man in that way where she's instantly on my FYP because I just can't not look at her.

And so it's like, it's, I feel gross every time because I'm like, Well, now you can feel really gross. Oh, I did. I did. It's not cute. It's not cute at all. Back in the day, because... And then they doubled down on it and it was like, all right. I will say, what was it?

That was American Eagle. What was the one that just... Someone came out, was it Abercrombie or... Hollister? Some... Hack Sun. I should know what it is. No, I'm just showing off.

Some company did a, um, they reacted to it by, um, they reacted to it by putting out their own jeans commercial where it was like all-inclusive and everything. It was like great PR, good for them. Was it a gap? I feel like they're on a big kick right now. What was like, what the hell was I talking about? Belts. Oh.

What is her name? Sidney Sweetie. Yeah. Man. I was going to say the last time I ever had to use a belt like that was in my American Eagle days when like it was a, it was a Canada event for a lot of baby queers in the closet to wear those plaid fucking shorts all the time. Oh yes. Oh yes. They came with those belts. Big deal. And those were peak Abercrombie, peak all of it. Anyway, so they were very fascinated by his belt and then gave it back, which is nice. I would have probably... That's nice.

I'd snatch it if I was not interested. Maybe they can do cool things like replicated in their brain or something, you know, like take a photo in their head. Or they saw it and they were like, why would we ever use this? They were like, this is embarrassing. take it back to him yeah so during this like hold your pants up please my favorite thing that happened in this interaction though is while he was getting dressed uh he noticed that one of the aliens had brought out a snack and was eating something that looked like an icicle but then broke it broke off a piece and offered it to him and yon went i'm good which like no of all the things you're weirdly okay with why wouldn't you need the alien food infrared skin system going on and you're not going to try the

cool alien icicles from outer space like it's it looked like it seems like he was eating it like it was a cracker or something i would want to eat it it's like a rocket pop but like on steroids i guess like in hindsight i'd be like now it's got a tracker or it's gonna kill me because it's like i'm it's toxic to me i don't know but i would still if that's how i die what a cool way to die yeah yeah it's like we ate an icicle but he was no longer in the nude that's important you know don't worry they gave him his belt back first his belt was back on it's all above board and then he ate the icicle. I mean, I'm curious.

I'm super curious. Me too, but, oh, well. Afterwards, Yon reported getting a big whiff of sulfur, which apparently stuck in his nose and on his body for a few days after the incident. And lastly, the- Like I was just like eating rotten eggs? No, I think, like, he realized that they smelled like sulfur.

Oh, okay. I think. Lastly, the aliens did a quick mouth check just went open up ah um and then they escorted him back to the door they came in through and on his way to the door yon noticed another alien doing something in the hall where he would take this black tube stick it into a hole in the wall turn it like a key and then pull it out and put it in a different hole in the wall and do the same thing over and over again oh weird um it's like a pattern like a code i guess i don't know um or he was trying to look like he was done

bored. He was like trying to look busy before the boss came by. Just like just like tedious tedium. Yeah. So Jan was probably on the UFO for under 15 minutes. And once on the exit platform, he didn't know what to do. So he bowed. And that is so all of us. That is all of us. That is how we would react. Well, they matched his social anxiety because they bowed back. Oh, they're like, let's do the human thing, I guess. They're really, poppy him. Oh, look at him. Him with his one door per room. his one door has one belt so the platform took him back down to the ground one source said that he it didn't take him all the way down so he had to like awkwardly jump like off the platform onto the and the horse is probably fucking out of there no the two aliens there were two aliens who watched him

walk back to his carton horse so they did keep an eye on his horse for him which was nice um and then the UFO flew away and when yon got back on the horse he went home he told his family about what happened um i'm sorry every time it just like jumps to and then he told everyone what happened it's like i need a literal play by play of every person in that room like i wish i had like what did your daughter say what did your wife say like please tell me i wish they gave more detail well i saw one only one article say that he actually slept for several hours before telling them what happened which i think is kind of consistent with other people's abductions where they just like have to sleep forever to like rest yeah and i wonder if that's because if there's ever like um a lapse in time

maybe they've been up for like 48 hours and now they don't even feel it till you're back yeah exactly well so he at some point he tells his wife he wants to tell his sons and so he runs to tell his sons he tells them come with me i want to show you where we saw the UFO or where i saw the UFO the neighbors hear about this so they come with him and his sons and eventually this small little group in their neighborhood are all with him in the area where the UFO was they get to the area and they found in three different places rectangular shaped footprints in the ground and then um uh oh they found sam the sand down clown again i know they found uh rectangular footprints one of the footprints they found was actually right underneath where the UFO was like as if they were walking to the UFO

okay so it wasn't from the for some reason for a minute i thought it was the UFO but then i remembered they had those pegs so these are their footprints basically i thought the same thing that it would have been like the feet of the UFO yeah yeah but um no it seemed as if they were footprints uh walking on the road where they originally walk if they have square feet or rectangular feet like they got a great point. You know, and then you have to lift your foot up like this. That's a great point, actually. Thank you.

Yeah, no, they found them by the road where, like, they jumped onto the cart, and they found them in that clearing where the UFO was let. Oh, weird. Okay, okay. I'm glad they checked. They also found crops nearby uprooted and what looked like soil samples that had been taken. One source also said that the group found black feathers, but no. birds in the area.

Dun, dun, when they looked at the area where the horse and cart had been waiting for him to come back, because remember the horse was just chilling there, they looked at where the horse had been hanging out, and it looked like the horse

had been grazing for over two hours, even though Yon thought he'd only been there for like 10, 15 minutes. Wow, so it really does that, like, weird hyper speed. That's so freaky. So, yeah, they've got probably, maybe it's not even the altitude

for their the atmosphere, maybe it's like time. Like they have to adjust how they walk because like, oh yeah. Their sense of time is different. Christine, you're like, I can't confirm any of this, but everything you're saying is sounds so smart to me. Like someone out there's my like, she's literally the dumps for swimming.

No, that makes so sense that if you move at hyper speed and all of a sudden you're moving like you're walking through molasses, like you're probably trying to figure out walking at a certain speed. It must feel really strange. Or like how gravity, how we, we can feel that pressing on us. They can maybe feel time pressing on them. And so they're like,

they feel like they're walking in slow-mo. That's such a good point. You're so smart. I'm, listen, I'm just trying to be smarter than the other rats in the lab because I really don't want to get, I don't want to get beamed up, you know. I'm not really feeling it. So only two months later, Jan was interviewed by journalists on the encounter, and this led to much more interest in the case later, but originally the interview was actually

kept pretty private because this was in the 70s in Poland, and I guess the Soviet Union had still had some pretty rigorous rules around what could be publicized. So this, all the information about this ended up kind of showing up later on. Oh yeah. And then you got spy shit probably because people were like, oh my God, this is some sort of spy plane.

That's one of the theories is I like maybe this was a government situation. But anyway, so when people... I mean, that tracks with the inefficiency and with like the, you know, like subpar tools and forethought. So I guess, yeah. Well, so when it finally kind of broke and people started hearing about this, the rest of the town and bigger areas, they heard about this incident and police and UFO all just started coming in to investigate. So the police determined it was probably a hoax, of course, or they thought that Yon must have been dreaming, hallucinating, or was drunk and confused. And then the counter theory is like, well, these cops were probably still loyal to the Soviet Union and they just wanted to.

put an end to any crazy stuff any nonsense yeah yeah there was some weird back and forth i ended up on like communist regime blogs and i was like oh my god okay fun um so yeah the police like were not much help despite all that though most of the town immediately without question just believed yon because he was known to be such a solid honest no nonsense guy i mean he's a seven-year-old farmer like he's not it's like why today why would he choose today to just like uproot every you know everybody's opinion of him, his reputation. It just seems like a wild thing to do. Yeah.

Other theories were that Yon was being pranked, so maybe he was innocent and someone else was pranking him. I mean, that's quite a prank. Elaborate prank. Yeah. Or like you said earlier, that he maybe misidentified a helicopter because of the buzzing sounds. Which I don't buy that, but it's interesting that you mentioned helicopter earlier.

Yeah, I think that was just the idea of the hovering type of thing, motion. It felt like a type of helicopter. Well, you're not the only person to say the word helicopter with these theories. I guess he's, but anyway, after the police investigated one of the first UFOologists in town, or came to town to interview him. I was like one of the first in town? How many are there? I guess maybe he spawned a movement. Okay.

No, this is a, he came to town to interview him. And his name was Dr. Vajarnik. Varjonic. After he showed up, another researcher came to town called Dr. Blanian. So there's Vajarnik and Blandia, just for you to remember these names. There's only two names that are coming your way, but just- Vajarnik and Blavia. Bwanya.

Blandia. That's what I said. And immediately Blandia interviews locals, all the locals he can. He tries to find any credibility where he can. He reaches out to other townspeople, if they saw anything. He's taking this super seriously. And part of it is because I guess Dr. Blandia hadn't really, had his big break yet in UFO research. And so I think he saw this as an opportunity since he was

one of the first people on the ground. Yeah. He was like, I'm going to make myself like one of the first experts of this. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of cool. I would want that guy on my case. Yeah. Someone with an axe to grind. Yeah, someone who like something to prove. Something to prove. Yeah. And an axe to grind. That would be cool too. Despite there being no physical evidence because the UFO was gone, was maybe like you know some uproated crops like we were it was really slim pickings on the physical evidence dr blania did say he did multiple physical and mental tests on yon and deemed him sound of mind especially because yon never sought out any money or fame for this and actually in fact regretted telling the public this always happens um so that made his story seem more

authentic so if it were up to blania he was saying this is the real deal um blania even found a six-year-old in town who claimed that they saw the UFO the same morning as Yon's abduction. The kid said that he even saw a pilot in the UFO who was wearing black clothes and had green skin. See? Also, I wondered about the horse. I was surprised for two hours nobody saw the passed by and saw the alien, but then I'm

like, maybe they can like cloak themselves or something. I don't know. That's a great point. Yeah, you would think either people would see the horse or the horse would get spooked after two hours and just walk away. something like that or see the alien like tending to the horse or wonder where its owner went well blania also throughout the years did several interviews about the investigation he did make himself the lead person on this case he wrote books about it so he definitely got a a notoriety with this case

like his his big break yeah well this became one of blania's biggest cases he covered um and this is where i tell you that in 2013 his the story came back because in in 2013 someone named Bartos Radovsky decided to write a book about the subduction it had been a long time that anyone had even written any content on this so he wanted to get as much much research done as possible and then write a book about it and figure out in today's world what the what really happened sure so the book in english

is called secret operations of the Polish people's republic and UFOs no and it is not a government oh saying i thought so too and i saw that cover i went oh okay so this was a government hoax great it sounds like it i was excited to hear how the hell they came up with rectangle footprints but um so basically this bartos guy he writes his book in 2013 and in his research he was so determined to make sure that he got as much information as possible on the case that he even used dr blania's old reports um that I guess when Blania died, his sister inherited his, his notes.

So this guy writing the book, he bought them off of the sister and said, Oh, interesting. I want to use as much information as I can. Up until that point, only Blania's family had ever seen this paperwork. So in the book, Bartow says that from what he figured out in Blania's notes, the abduction, although maybe it was real to yawn, it was a plan. hoax. What?

Apparently, there was some drama in the euophology research world. Remember I told you before Dr. Blania, there was another guy, Virginic, who came to town. Apparently, Verjonic and Blania are frenemies. I knew it. And Blania and Verjonic at some point made a bet where Varjonics, or Blania said, hey, Virginic, I bet I could hypnotize you and make you, like, think, like, a crazy story and I bet it would work and Verjonic was like, I doubt

that. Well, they ended up doing it. Vorgonik got hypnotized on a barbed basically. He did in fact have all these false memories and was super embarrassed. So in retaliation Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, okay. Sorry, go on.

I can re-explain you. I think I get it. I think I get it. The two of them had a bar bet I bet I could get you hypnotized and the other one said no. Oh, okay. So he and he like ended up falling, or like, being susceptible to it. Yeah, he ends up getting hypnotized and he was super embarrassed about it. So he was like, I'm going to get Blania back.

And so he planned. Next to grind. He did have an ax to grind the whole time. So Vajonik actually found Yon. I don't know how he, I don't know why he picked Yon. I don't know if it was just like the first person he saw. I don't know how this came to be. But the story now goes that Vajonik hit.

hypnotized yawn to believe he was abducted by aliens and then let the story sensationalize itself knowing that Blania would run to investigate it because he was looking for his big break in the UFO world. What? Okay. And once the story was juicy enough, Verjonic was going to tell the world that Blaniel was claiming to be the lead expert of a case that was a hoax and that he fell for this and was telling the whole world that this is the real deal, even though.

that's like a fucked up prank first of all so mean on so many levels like you hypnotize some guy yeah you're just using him to like to discredit somebody who's trying to make it at least like what do you what's happening so yon truly and to this day still believes it really happened um i mean listen so this is just a book saying that the notes make it clear so so in theory this is in theory this is just another big theory but this is one based off of actual notes from Blanio. But then... And do the notes say like this, I'm so embarrassed, I don't want to... Is the implication like he was too embarrassed to admit it...

I don't know. I don't even know what the notes said. Because also, like, how did it even humiliate him if it ever came out? That's a great point, though, like, in his own notes, they will be incredibly biased of like, oh, well, this is just a theory that it's a hoax, but it's only because blah, blah, blah. So, like, this might not even be real. But as of 2013, this is, this has certainly discredited the story. story for a lot of people.

Wow. So he basically just wanted to make his, quote, friend look like a fool in the UFO community because he got embarrassed. That's like really fucked up. That being said, here's the thing. That was his whole plan of like, I'm going to let this story get huge and then I'm going to embarrass him publicly and tell everyone that he was vouching for a story that I concocted with my bare hands.

But I guess he picked the wrong town because I'm going to. all of them, the whole town knew Yon and trusted and loved him so much that even when I guess Verjonic tried to tell everyone it was a hoax, the town was like, no, like Yon. Oh, wow. So his, his plan like literally backfired. Literally backfired. And he became, wow. Okay. So he maybe created this entire story just for everyone to still believe Yon. I mean, so. I'm glad that Yon wasn't super psychologically distraught about this experience, A, because he seemed like he was all right afterward. B, if he believed it, and everyone believed it, hopefully he wasn't like, you know, made a fool of or felt ashamed or embarrassed or anything. I don't like, I hope he

then, yeah. I feel like this had potential to go very wrong for a bunch of people. I know. And it was also found the notes later that like the six year old who claimed he also saw the UFO that was like a stretched truth like so it just it's all kind of messy and it like kind of fell apart yeah it kind of fell apart but nope everyone's still like you know what yon believes it and we believe it i mean the detail in it too i guess if a euphologist is is hypnotizing you and feeding you information because i was thinking like a lot of this is so specific and you hear about the seamless and then so i was wondering but then i guess yeah if you're you're being fed this information about someone who studies UFOs. Wow. Holy smoke. What do you think? Do you have a thought one way or the other? I have no idea.

I mean, I guess I have to read that book because I'm like, I don't, I want to know what the, what the evidence is that it was actually a hoax for real. And it sounds like he has evidence. I just, I would be curious to hear what those journals said. Well, even though that happened back in the 70s and Yon doesn't even here anymore, it's still considered the most famous UFO abduction case in Polish history and it's wow the most notable um and the same year that that happened a documentary about the abduction came out called a visit or on the threshold of mystery um and that was within the same year so people

were already very interested in what yon had to say there have been other documentaries and books about the incident sense um and even this year there's a netflix series that came out called Project UFO that's inspired by the Amilchen incident. In 2005, there was a memorial put up near Amilchen, Poland, to honor the UFO abduction. But, oh, and then it also said, the inscription on it says, on May 10th, 1978 in Emilchen, a UFO object landed, and the truth will astonish us in the future. Ooh! And fun fact, it's Poland's only UFO.

Memorial, which I can't imagine there was going to be a lot, but it's the only one. And nearby is also a sculpture. I'll send you actually a picture of both sculptures. Okay. I'm so intrigued. Nearby, there, the sculpture in honor of the UFO, which is the one I just sent you.

There's another sculpture of one of the aliens, so you can take a selfie with the alien. Oh, fun. And it just looks like a little green guy. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious.

And those little rectangle feet. Because it happened on May 10th. May 10th is now a day where every year people in the area will like go and like celebrate near these memorials. And they even put in a time capsule here that's supposed to be opened in a thousand years. Whoa! I looked up what goes in the time capsule. I couldn't find anything.

Okay. I love this guy holding a, do you see how he has a cloth? Yeah. He pulled it off. He revealed the sculpture. for the cameraman and all the audience. So cute. Look his little rectangle feet.

I love the feet. They crack me. I mean, he's really scary looking. Yeah. Like the black-eyed kid nonsense and all that. I don't know. I mean,

imagine two of those walking next to your cart. I don't want to. And you have the nerve to say, oh, they're obviously just hunters. Like, yeah, human. Like, part of me wants to say, I hope it's a hoax so that he was in on it or whatever.

But it sounds like even then he was. he was tricked too 100%. It's not a good look. Anyway, that's the Emilchen incident. Wow, I've never heard of that. Good job. I know this seems impossible, but shopping and planning for groceries for the week actually can be simple and stress-free. And as someone who's discovered that finally in my 30s, I need to share the love.

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fucking batteries and buttons and they would always be going off and poor Gigi would just like hide in I wonder why does it hurt their ears you think because it's so high pitched? I think it's just so high pitch and I think they like don't know what it is and it startles them and I think they're like

please make that it's like a little zap I think to their brain like it. Yeah. Okay. It took me a while to figure out but there are other sounds that make Gio do that too certain text tones like one or two certain text tones.

he will get up, I have noticed he gets up and leaves the room and leaves the floor that we're on. Like he will not be near it. Yeah, it's really bizarre. It's like when we were in middle school and we had that like mosquito text tone that like Oh, yeah, horrible. Only we could hear it but teachers couldn't. Oh, that's actually

really great, yeah. I felt really cool, but then it was still like an annoying ass sound. It's a horrible sound. It's like a chirping. Yeah, yeah. It's like that like, anyway. Yeah, I'm trying to remember. It was the slack sound. I remember when I downloaded it, like whatever auto pinged when you got a slack message on your computer like geo would literally fucking bolt with his tail between his legs it's the weirdest thing so weird okay well thanks

for warning me because I was like what the fuck is wrong with you he just kept pacing and he had like the airplane ears yeah they hate it and their tails go between their legs it's like sad yeah okay all right are you ready for a crime I'm always ready for a crime I really, I'm telling you, no pressure, but that one last week was so good. What was it again? It was a mystery. I remember really enjoying it.

I'm just like, oh, yes, I do recall vaguely. Me too. It was good. It was a good one. So I'm excited for another. Folks, I promise there has been a stomach bug and a weekend and a lot of events between the last time we recorded. I promise. This is, I apologize.

Okay, everything feels like a blur. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. All right, this one is, uh, interestingly, I thought 1978 like yours, but 1976. So we're in the same time frame, but we are not in Europe. We are in North Carolina. Very, very rural North Carolina.

Hmm. Oh, I want to tell you the name of the story. It's the, the, I'm just going to say the bishop family for now. Okay. Bishop family for now. so on march second nineteen seventy six a forest ranger was working in an observation tower in a remote wooded area of north carolina when he suddenly noticed smoke billowing out of the trees and this is a very rural area he immediately reports the fire and he rushes to the scene where he discovers what looks like a shallow grave Oh, damn. But it's hard to assess the whole scene.

Of course, the fire is still going on, so he has to wait for the fire to be put out. And when it is, first responders can see there are two women laying in the shallow grave. They were badly burned, but the remains appeared to belong to a young woman and a much older woman. So the authorities began the process of, you know,

protocol moving the women from the scene. And as they removed these two women from the scene, they realized the grave was deeper. than it had initially appeared. I don't go back to the last weeks. I don't like this one. I know. I'm already like,

my brain has switched into this mode. You really buttered me up last week and I are like, okay, now feel miserable. Now, I asked if you're ready. You said you were. I thought.

I thought. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Girl, one day will be okay. Are you sure? Oh,

I got it. That's been bugging me all day. That's so impressive. Christine, I've never been able to just do that. Well, I've done this like 10 times today, and it hasn't worked, so I feel like I'm skeptical. Everything you do blows me away. I can't right.

For the better or worse of my life. Yeah, I was going to say, that means a lot. Okay. So they move these. Beneath the women's remains, so there's this young woman and an older woman. Beneath the women's remains are three children. Christine. I know.

I know. It's fucking horrendous. Okay. They find three children. They're all boys wearing pajamas and they're wrapped in bed sheets and a tarp. And their bodies are not as badly burned as the women's are. And the resemblance between the boys was so strong that they could tell immediately that they were related. So of course, this is like doubly shocking, right? The murdered women were already a shock and now they're finding children. And this is a very, you know, kind of remote area. And so this is the last thing they expected. So they scour the surrounding area for anything that might identify the victims, because at this point they don't even know who they are. Oh, my God. They find a gasoline can from Sears. It has like a tag on it that says, or a sticker that says it's from Sears, and a shovel with a hardware store label on the handle.

Unfortunately, though, despite finding the gasoline can and the shovel, there was nothing at the scene that could help them identify who these people actually were. And so instead, police started looking for any, missing persons reports in the area I mean you'd imagine like a whole missing family basically all ages like somebody would have reported this but no case in the area

matched so they extended the search for missing persons in the state of North Carolina and even then there were no reports that matched their victims and sorry maybe you already said this did we check that all of these people are related to each other I know the

three boys are obviously brothers but we don't even know that they're brothers yet so they've uh they've opened this grave they've seen that the three boys look similar they look like they're related it's it seems clear that they're related but they don't know how and they don't know who like the dynamics of the whole group because my my first thought was like maybe i was assuming the three boys would be their own group and then like maybe the other two women like maybe it's just like a dump site for everybody you know right so that that's kind of what they're wondering they're wondering like are these children missing from

a separate family you know like what's the connection here and so they've checked the state of north carolina no matching reports and they take a look at the evidence again that they collected at the scene including the shovel and when they look at the shovel and it's label they follow this to a hardware store 300 miles away in potomac maryland what okay i know then they're looking at the victims themselves and one of the women's clothes led them to a store in Chevy Chase, Maryland, which was only 10 miles away from the hardware store. So now they're starting to ping closer to where these people actually came from. They contact investigators in Maryland who also failed to match any missing person's reports to the boys or the women,

but in the meantime, a medical examiner who was taking a look at the bodies determined that the cause of death to all five victims was blunt-forced trauma to the head with a heavy object. Jesus, okay. Yeah. The family had been bludgeoned to death, the presumed family, and the wounds were so fresh that the victims had been killed within 24 hours of being abandoned and then discovered in the woods. So by the time they were found, they had only been dead within 24 hours.

Oh, my God. Investigators did collect a crucial piece of evidence at the scene in the woods, which was a bloody fingerprint on the gas can from Sears. But the issue was that it was 1976, and so, you know, there weren't these computer databases where you can just quickly scan, you know, a fingerprint through and see if there's a match.

It would be a lot harder to find the match if it even existed in the database at all. But the major hurdle to identifying suspects and motives was identifying the victims, because nearly a week after the remains were found, they still did not know who these people were, which is like pretty shocking, you know, nowadays. A woman in Bethesda, Maryland, called the police on March 8th to report her neighbors missing.

She hadn't seen them in days, which was completely unusual for them. And she noticed that mail and newspapers had been piling up outside the house. So the police responded to do a wellness check, and the woman who made the report had a spare key, so she led investigators inside. and as they stepped foot into this home of the missing neighbors, he knew something absolutely horrid had happened here. Like there was just like, okay, you'll tell me. There was blood everywhere.

Okay, not what I was going to say. If that answers your question. I was like, bad vibes, yes. An oppressive energy perchance, but blood, definitely. I was thinking like it looked like there was like a, like a scorn. Oh, I see. Well, there is more on that. Yes. So, of course, the blood does not do well for the hope here. So there's blood, a lot of blood. Too much for someone to lose, like, in an accident. Farther inside, blood is in almost every room. It's on walls, on sheets, on the ceilings. I mean, it looks apparently, from what I heard, like, just a slasher film gone wrong. Like, that's how violent this looked. but there were no bodies. Okay.

Well, immediately I'm piecing these two things together. Yes. Okay. And so these are two like incidents that are happening, you know, hundreds of miles apart, but they're slowly starting to get figured out. The house belonged to the Bishop family. 39-year-old William Bradford Bishop, 37-year-old Annette, 14-year-old William Bradford Bishop III, 10-year-old Brenton, 5.5. year old Jeffrey, and then 68-year-old

Lobelia. And Lobelia was the father, William Bradford's mother. So there was the mother-in-law. When they inquired as to the last time the family was seen, the neighbors said, I last saw them on March 1st. And that was the day before the bodies were discovered down in North Carolina. Wow. Honestly, I'm surprised that the bodies were found so fast. It was fast, yeah. You would think the person who

buried them would be like well this is a rural area in the middle of nowhere like who's going to come looking for these for a while and then within 24 hours oh my god well they set it on fire you know the park ranger was sitting there looking on a watchtower and saw smoke billowing from the woods so honestly probably wouldn't have been found otherwise but all right so 17 years earlier we're gonna we're going to kind of jump back to give some context about who these people were now that they're kind of figuring out these are probably one and the same this family 17 years earlier in 1959 annette had married her high school sweetheart william bradford bishop who went by either bradford or bradette had been a cheerleader bradford was a football player they grew up together

in pasadena california bradford graduated a year ahead of her and went on to get an american studies degree from yale and then apparently two master's degrees um there have been conflicting stories about, like, which degrees he got, but what we know is he earned a series of degrees, advanced degrees, and the same year Annette and Bradford were married, Bradford enlisted in the U.S. Army. So he spent four years working in military intelligence, traveling the world, and he became fluent in four languages. He learned the customs of different nations throughout Africa and Europe. When his contract ended, Bradford did not re-enlist, but instead took a job with the State Department in foreign services.

So now you're seeing why they're in the Maryland, like Chevy Chase area, Potomac area. For those of you who don't know, that's very close to Washington, D.C. So he worked with foreign affairs agencies throughout Europe and Africa. And Annette was by his side at every assignment.

They were high school sweethearts. She moved with him from Italy to Ethiopia, Botswana. They had three sons together while they lived outside the U.S., William Bradford III, who was also called William, Brenton, and Jeffrey. Brad and Annette liked their lives on the move. They were always kind of social party people. Like, you know those stories I've told where like these D.C. socialites kind of just some of them have this lifestyle where they just are kind of eccentric and like to throw parties and stuff. As someone who knows many D.C. socialites, yes. Got it. Okay. So, yeah. So that was like their thing. You know, they're traveling the world with

their family. They're being put up in these beautiful homes. They're very important people. Like, their beautiful family. Very government white collar politics. Correct. Yeah. Exactly. Like internationally important. You know, all this, all this. Ambassadors. That's right. They get those special things in their license plates, probably, all that good stuff. So Bradford's job had given them this like elevated social status wherever they went. They were living a very glamorous life. And then in 1974, Bradford accepted the position of assistant chief in the division of special activities and commercial treaties. And the bishops returned to the U.S. to start a new chapter of their lives.

They moved into a house in Bethesda, which is a suburb of D.C. And they started what seemed to be a picturesque life. so Bradford's mother, Lobelia, moved in with them. They had a golden retriever named Leo. Annette was an artist, and she enrolled in courses at a local college, and then she worked full-time as a stay-at-home mom. People thought of Annette as attentive, doting. She was very intelligent, very obviously artistic,

and just delightful to be around. And this new life seemed to suit them, but they were not quite used to how quiet it was, like just not as, you know, glamorous and social and bustling as their lives in these other countries had been. But they still enjoyed luxury from time to time. Annette and Bradford would go skiing in the winter. They spent their summer swimming and playing tennis at the country club and their sons adjusted to this new life in the U.S. So 14-year-old William, he was confident and outgoing. He's the eldest. And he liked to talk about his experiences living in other

countries. So when he showed up, like, you know, it's the 70s. He shows up after living in all these countries and high schoolers are just like enamored by his stories. They're like, tell us about Botswana and he has these different clothes and they're just all. He's got to be so cool. He's the coolest kid at school and apparently also just a lovely, lovely person. And so one of his childhood friends, who was also briefly his girlfriend, Sue Williams, said that William was a sweet and goofy boy, um, they were very close and his younger brothers were just as kind and friendly as he was. They were all very rambunctious, um, and fun loving. And of course, as they're putting these pieces together, three boys, you know, a mom, a mother-in-law, a father figure who's not in this

pit, um, they're starting to realize like something has gone terribly wrong to this family. And these are definitely the same people they had discovered in North Carolina. Hmm. The remains belong to Annette, her three sons and lobelia it was it was pretty obvious at this point bradford however was unaccounted for and he immediately became considered a missing person and when reporters asked the police whether he was a suspect in the murder thank you the statement was that there were no official suspects and you know friends of the family were like well yeah it doesn't look good but like we can't we know this family pretty well like we can't imagine that this would be something he had done i guess that does have to be really tough to be like he

He's one of two. He's either the suspect or he's in trouble. In danger for sure. And like either way, I have to be worried. Yeah, exactly. Like there's some, exactly. So it's, he's a missing person, not good either way. No official suspects.

People started to talk, of course, because it's like such a shocking, jarring event. And then to have one family member just absent from the tragedy and like nowhere to be found, you know, people will start talking. So one of Jeffrey's young friends started hearing gossip at school, and he was in preschool. Oh, my God. It's just horrible. It's like Leona hearing something like this. No, I know. I can't even imagine just like having to try and talk to your kids about this kind of thing.

And so one of Jeffrey's young friends apparently came home and asked his mommy if Jeffrey's daddy had hurt him. Oh, no. And his parents said, no, they didn't think he did, you know, because they really didn't believe it. they, like, couldn't believe it. Most people who knew the bishops believed that Bradford was actually just a sixth victim. Maybe he had been kidnapped for his work in the government. Maybe he was being held for ransom, you know, like there were possibilities that he had been killed and abandoned elsewhere, who knows.

But behind the scenes, investigators were putting a case together against Bradford because they believed that on March 1st, he actually left work on his motorcycle, returned home briefly to pick up the family's maroon station wagon and go to the mall where a Sears employee told police that they remembered Bradford purchasing the gas can and a mallet hammer on March 1st. Oh, that's not good. Another witness saw Bradford stop at the gas station in the family's maroon station wagon and fill the gas can up. Then a neighbor saw Bradford arrive home in the station wagon and walk into his house around 6.30 p.m.

Detectives collected fingerprints from the bishop's home, and they matched the prints to the bloody fingerprint on the gas can. Then they compared to Bradford's fingerprints, which were on file with the U.S. military, and they were a match, of course. A nationwide manhunt began for Bradford, because now they're realizing he's probably not so innocent. Yes, exactly. Could there have been anyone else he now has as a hostage or is it just him on the run? He's the only one missing aside from the dog. Okay.

Oh. So we're thinking this was just like a family annihilator situation and he's just... Okay. Basically. Okay. A nationwide manhunt began for Bradford, but unfortunately he had the odds stacked in his favor. As I mentioned, he was fluent in multiple worldwide languages. Yeah, he could just leave the country.

He could be gone on it. that fancy passport you know um he actually in as when he worked for foreign affairs he was actually responsible for issuing passports to us citizens so like he literally knew how the process works i'd be like he's just never coming back he just said i mean they they pretty quickly were like we don't think we're going to find him no it's just he has skills if he's still in the states he's an idiot like i mean well actually they said that might be the smartest move because traveling traveling would be well we'll get to it But yes, I mean, there are a lot of back-and-forth theories on, like, what would have been the most sensible for him versus what would have been the most high risk.

Okay. But, yeah, he would have had to, he would have had the knowledge to expertly create a fraudulent passport if he wanted to. Okay. He was also a licensed pilot, so that's fun. He knows how to fly a plane. Boy, oh, boy. So in other fugitive cases, witnesses might report sightings at gas stations and restaurants and major. highways along the escape route that this person would have taken. But if Bradford had access to a

small plane, you know, that maybe he had stashed before, he could travel hundreds of miles on his own without being spotted and then be kind of in the wind. He'd already made it 300 miles to North Carolina undetected to dispose of his entire family within 24 hours of murdering them. Okay. So he's already like he's already way ahead of everybody. Then he had more than a week's head start while detectives didn't even know who the family was like the only way they were able to do this was by finally getting that report of a wellness check and then you know all this all this which kind of spiraling from there i'm honestly surprised that to have gone through all of this he it was something like a bloody fingerprint on a can like had he had he not had that like he could

have been gone for a long time or if he brought the can with him but what would have what would have changed, though, do you think? Because, like, they already know it's probably him if he's missing from the scene. I guess so. I guess I would have kept him still, like, maybe a, uh, uh, a victim instead of a suspect. I suppose. It's hard to pull that off if you're found and then you're like, oh, I was... Good point. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think he didn't really care if they thought it was him because he was already a week ahead and could probably find his way out of there. And he did.

I mean, at this point, they are pretty sure they're not going to find him. And by the time the search actually began officially, he could have seriously been anywhere in the entire world, and they had no clue. A report did come in that he was cited in Jacksonville, North Carolina, at a sporting goods store alongside his dog, Leo.

He actually, that panned out. That was an actual sighting. He, because he used his credit card to purchase a pair of black converse sneakers. An investigator suspected that maybe his shoes had been bloody or covered in mud from his trek in the woods, and so perhaps he needed to change them so that they wouldn't be so obvious to passers-by. But that was just a theory.

They weren't really sure. On March 18th, a Tennessee farmer in the Great Smoky Mountains called local authorities to report an abandoned vehicle. It was parked in the woods, and something about it just felt off. Authorities ran the plates and tags and discovered that the abandoned. maroon stationed wagon belonged to Bradford. The FBI, so now it's in Tennessee. The FBI

collected the vehicle and they found significant amounts of blood inside as well as a tarp, a suitcase containing some of Bradford's clothes and some of his medication in the glove box. Hmm, okay. They began to suspect that Bradford might have gone into the thick forest to die

by suicide, leaving behind his suitcase and his medicine. et cetera. Searchers scoured the area, found no sign of him. And he was a skilled outdoorsman who would probably be able to live in the woods for weeks on his own. And so over time, when no body turned up, they realized he was probably just trying to throw a red herring in their way and say, oh, yeah, I'm so guilty I died by suicide out here in the woods, but then actually, you know, head off to somewhere else. Right. So a witness who lived just off the road where Bradford's vehicle was found said that she,

actually saw when the maroon station wagon arrived and so they were immediately interested in talking to her and she said oh that car wasn't alone a second vehicle pulled up alongside it's a woman maybe right i don't know it feels like a spoiler we have no it i'll tell you it was a woman i mean i feel it the second vehicle was driving very closely behind the station wagon is if they were following one another uh she later saw only that second vehicle leave. So theoretically, he could have gotten into that vehicle, staged this sort of a pre-suicide situation, and then bolted if he had an accomplice. Detectives had no hard evidence that they were together, but they did consider, you know, that maybe someone was aiding in his escape. And like I said, Leo, the dog was also unaccounted for, aside from that one citing, he had not been at home, nor was he in the grave in North

Carolina. And because he had been cited with a dog in Jacksonville, it was suspected that he spared the dog. He couldn't bear to hurt his own dog, but his children and wife and mother were fair game, I guess. But he took his dog with him. Fucking great. And fled. So detectives could not find Bradford's diplomatic passport. Wouldn't you know it? It's missing. Hmm. Funny how that works out. He took it with him. Funny how that works out. And yeah, so it's missing. It's not in the station wagon. It's not in the home. and because of his resources, his ability to fly a plane,

his linguistic experience, his outdoorsmanship. He's the full recipe for, like, someone who should be able to get away with this, it seems. It really does feel almost like he's preparing, has prepared his whole life for this. Yeah. You know, like in another context where this wasn't a horrible, horrible murder, this could have been a cool, like, survival story of some kind, but instead, this motherfucker, like, uses powers for evil, you know, and, like, fucking vanish. Like, don't Carmen San Diego.

It's just, it makes me so angry because it's like, I don't know. I just want, well, you know what? It can't be fun, though, huh? No. Can't feel nice to be running your whole life. Maybe that's the punishment. I mean, I literally have anxiety about, like, going to check the mail. Like, I can't imagine being on the run.

And also, being on the run. I'm sorry, with a dog. Like, talk about the inconvenience of, like, being a golden retriever, no less, like a pretty one that stands out. It's not like a scruffy thing you can hide in your coat, you know? I'm honestly surprised he didn't also hurt the dog just to, like, have no loose ends or like something, what else to deal with. His heart were three sizes that day.

It is wild to me that, like, you couldn't bear to hurt your dog, but you could. It's selfish is what it is. It's wild. It's his own relationship to the dog he cares about, you know, not the dog. Yeah, it's the dog's blind loyalty to him. the dog, yeah, through losing my dog, yeah. Ugh. So they're missing this passport, so obviously they're thinking, okay, he probably didn't die

by suicide. He went on the run and tried to mislead us. Basically, the search became international. U.S. embassies around the world received notice to be on the lookout for him, and it was 17 years before the first substantiated report of a sighting. Shut the fuck up. Where the hell was this man hiding? 17 years, M.

I'll tell you. So, okay. In 1993, a report from Washington, D.C., came into a U.S. Embassy in France that Bradford was living in a small town near the city of Dijon, France. I mean, where else would you go if you were on? Fucking mustard town, I know. Mustard Central. Authorities traveled there to arrest Bradford, but when they arrived, they saw mail and

newspapers piled up at the house, and so they knew that nobody had lived there for a while. And if Bradford had been there, he was long gone. having evaded capture once again. Then we had another false start in 2014 when someone was watching a documentary about Bradford and realized there was a local John Doe who had been killed in a hit and run in his area. And so when they did a side-by-side,

it was a shocking resemblance how close these two men looked. And they really thought they had found him. But when they exhumed John Doe's body to try and match, in 2014, to try and match them, their DNA, uh, it was not a match. And so they had to inter him again. So it was just still an unknown victim. I still was John Doe. And, uh, it was not Bradford. So the search continued. Now this one is where there's a little bit of a plot twist.

Okay. In 2017, this woman named Kathy Gilcrest had recently retired from her career as an actress and public school drama teacher. And she had known her whole life that she had known her whole life that she had been adopted as an infant. And although she had wondered about her birth parents, she hadn't quite felt like it was time to look for them. But when she retired from teaching, she thought, well, you know, I'm feeling this poll to look into who my birth parents really were. So she had the time now, the energy to do the search, and she submitted a DNA sample

to 23 and me. And she was connected with her third cousin, a woman named Susan. Immediately they became fast friends. And Susan said, I want to help you find. your birth parents eventually kathy located her mother um who was alive but still extremely ill and uh her children kathy this was really hard kathy's half siblings begged kathy not to contact their mother because they said she was so sick that they were worried it would be too much for her her to handle yeah yeah so kathy had to respect their wishes and she did not contact her mother

and instead decided to turn her attention to her father, who seemed to have been estranged from her mother because when she spoke to these half-siblings, they said, like, we don't know who your father is. It appears, like, we didn't know about you. You know, you must have come from a different person than our dad. And to the point, you know, that they didn't even want the mom to hear about it. So she's looking for her dad.

There's no information on him. in the adoption records. But one day, Susan calls and says, Kathy, I think I have figured out who your father is. Oh, shit. And jokingly, Kathy said,

oh, is he somebody famous? Uh, a little. And Susan said, I think you should sit down. Aye. And Susan said, unfortunately, your father is Bradford Bishop,

a man who is wanted for the murder of his entire family, aka your entire family. Wow. Imagine finding out you had a whole family. And they're gone. Right. It's shocking.

So Kathy contacted authorities and the FBI used more DNA samples from Bradford's cigarettes, which they had found in his car, to confirm that he was indeed Kathy's father. So this is just shocking information she has to process. This was a surprising development

for investigators who believed that they knew everything about Bradford and his life up to his disappearance. Like, they had combed his past. It revealed that he was someone capable of hiding more than they thought, which was not a good thing when they're on the lookout for him. Even the existence of a child that he, you know, probably never told his wife or anybody about because nobody seemed to know about his child. Yeah.

Yeah. Kathy felt compelled to learn all she could about Bradford and about, her younger half siblings three younger brothers that had been killed at murdered by their own dad oh my gosh she was born in 1957 and she'd grown up in Massachusetts in what she described as an extremely wholesome home with salt of the earth parents who'd adopted her as an infant um she compared her timeline of her life like it's a very surreal situation she described that in 1976 the year they were killed she was 18 and she was like having the time of her life she won a local pageant she was crowned as like you know

homecoming queen or whatever um she just was so happy and had this like beautiful life and she said you know going back and looking at that timeline and seeing like my brother's lives just cut short you know the mother and also their mother cut short the survivor's guilt of just knowing that you had a great life and yeah you were having all these great experiences it's just got to be such a strange conflict So she connected with people who knew her half siblings as children and she visited their school. And she learned that William the eldest, his classmates, had raised money as children to plant a tree and put a plaque there when he had passed. And she got to go see the plaque.

And they had moved the plaque from the school courtyard to an exterior wall. The tree is still standing. And Kathy felt like it was a connection to her younger brother. She learned that her grandmother, Lobelia, was an actress, just like she is. And Kathy considered maybe she had inherited some creativity and, you know, love for the performing arts through her grandmother. Of course, she tried to understand why her birth father would have done such a thing. But, you know, I think this is one of those things we just will never fully understand as a person with a shred of empathy, right? Like, how could you even wrap your head around this?

You just make yourself crazy, yeah. yeah yeah and she tried to kind of untangle as much as she could so this is kind of where I tell you like the backstory the context of what happened leading up to this horrendous murder and this is the last bit of the story but it kind of ties it together because it was Kathy's research that kind of you know pulled this story together so Kathy's trying to learn about her dad and her family and figure out what the hell happened here why her dad would do such a heinous thing and as she's researching through people who knew the family, she learned that Bradford, her birth father,

had been deeply unsatisfied with his life once they'd moved back to the U.S. He had missed that kind of glitz and glamour, the importance of being, you know, this guy abroad and living and working in other countries and speaking different languages. He was apparently seeing a psychiatrist at the time and being medicated for depression

because he was so deeply unhappy. the FBI described him as a long-time insomniac. So there were clearly a lot of just imbalances here just as far as like his satisfaction with life, his satisfaction with his family. In 1976, Bradford was apparently expecting a promotion to a new international position. And he was really looking forward to this because he wanted to escape the suburbs. And he just hated this nine to five office life. he was suddenly stuck in.

But on March 1st, the day that he killed his wife, children, and his own mother, he had learned that the promotion went to someone else. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Boy, okay. And so he just, I quote, quote, snapped or quote, like, just didn't, yeah, couldn't take it anymore. Yeah, yeah. It was like the last straw, you know.

He told his supervisor he didn't feel well. He went home early. There were rumors that the family was also having financial issues, which, you know, we see all the time in these family annihilator cases. It's a huge part of it. The loss of power, the loss of money. The like, if I can't have them, no one can mentality that control and it's horrendous. So you went home early.

Kathy said in an interview that she believed he killed his family because he wanted to leave behind and start a new life because, you know, it's just this selfish move of my dog and I want to start over. Mm-hmm. bye you know and you don't get to it's just it's sick i i mean i'll never know the it's just outrageous i mean the story starts with five bodies in it grave a whole family it's just like how do you even like like did you even cry like did you even grieve you know like i don't even we'll never we'll never know what the process was i'm sure i feel like there's probably a grief for your own life if you're in if you're this fucked up to be like If you're this fucked up, you must be thinking, period.

You must be like, sorry for yourself. I can't imagine you feel any shred of because how could you otherwise? Like, how could you live otherwise on the run if this were eating away at you, you know? Great point. I just have to think people like this don't feel that way. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Which is just horrible, but what can you do?

so Kathy said in his twisted mind she thinks this is about her father he felt as if he deserved better and doesn't that just write your ears yeah yeah Bradford was eventually put on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list in a 2025 interview by WUSA 9 FBI agent Karen Cody said that Bradford most likely remained in the US where he could more easily go undetected in his new life under an assumed identity because it wouldn't flag, you know, the passport or he wouldn't need to use fake passport to go abroad. He'd just do some unassuming labor somewhere and... Which, like, the irony of, like, you did all this because you hated your current life.

You miss the glitz and glam. And now you can't have it. So, does you really win? No. Right. That's what I'm saying. It can't be a fun time, right? Like, I can't feel like you won.

I mean, I hope that that's at least true. Whatever you wanted didn't come true. so like it's just stupid it's just it really is sick um so yeah that is what they assume happened because it would be the most effective way to hide however due to his experience working internationally in embassies he'd also be familiar with what to do and not to do to live abroad unassumingly and he was fluent in multiple languages there are countries where maybe they're more more or less likely to like he would know where to hide you know what I mean It has been nearly 50 years since Bradford murdered his entire family and disappeared.

So he's dead right now. If he's alive today, he would be nearly 90. Okay. I don't know. Sometimes these cockroaches live forever, you know? Crane that the truth, yeah. Agent Karen Cody said, we hope that if he is still alive, that he feels he's carried this with him all these years. And even if there's not guilt, I really believe at least he's carried the pressure of hiding and the pressure of knowing he's a hated man.

constant stress and paranoia over your shoulder like it can't be an enjoyable experience um there've been u.s and international sightings of bradford over the decades since his disappearance and there is still hope that he'll be found and face justice but like every year that passes it's less likely that a he'll make a deathbed confession you know like if he's already died that's right loss or that he'll ever like step forward and actually admit anything they just doubt it so um you know maybe someday we'll find a way to answer, get some answers or find out where he's been. But, yeah, it's just all around, like, really fucking wild to imagine doing a 23 of me and being like, oh, my word. You know, as someone who loves ancestry and keeps wanting to find someone interesting for the plot, I'm like, oh, but with limitations.

Not that interesting. Yeah, well, yeah, right. Oh, anyway, so that's the bishop family. really tragic one as usual that's uh oh that's what it was last week was the story of the fingerprints or the DNA that kept showing up everywhere

and we thought it was a woman of mystery and it was just a Polish grandmother I'm telling you that one really got me good yeah but that was because it was that one felt like a real life puzzle it was and it was stranger than fiction it was like oh yeah authorities literally spent millions of years chasing nobody like i mean it's like a wild goose chase but

i feel like my i am to lady and white as you are to family annihilator or it's just like they're just everywhere they're just everywhere i mean fortunately i feel like they're not maybe to narcissists i feel like there's one of those to narcissists that's a great one family annihilators thank god are more few and far between fucking cocky for their own good yeah just somebody who is like really if there's if there's ever in that that's why I drink bingo card. I think the free spot should be narcissists slash lady and lady and white. Yeah. It's like nice try. Yeah. We all have this one. It's a free space. I feel I feel almost bad every time we tell a story and I've got a lady in white. I'm like,

I'm sorry. She's just everywhere. I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. Listen, I love a lady in white because sometimes she's a jilted bride. Sometimes she's just doesn't have a head. Sometimes she's, I mean, honestly, I kind of love many forms. Yeah, she has many forms. I kind of love that about her. I love the cocky ones because then I have some. going to be mad about and scream at. So I'm, I like when I read the stories, the narcissists. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought you met the ladies in white. I was like, has this happened? I didn't think that was a crossover we've noticed. If we find a narcissist in white, that's going to be beautiful. Yeah, that's bad news. That's bad news. I mean, that UFO you talked about was white. That's true.

That's true. I don't know. Anyway, but well, we're going to go to our yappy hour now where we're just going to debrief about, I don't know. We haven't taken one of those quizzes. What kind of ghost are you? you in a while or what kind of cryptid are you we could do that or um i don't know we'll come up with something but uh check us out we're on patreon.com slash aty wwd podcast or you can get uh bonus

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