And That's Why We Drink - E452 Sleep Paralysis Fashion and Pick Me Ghosts

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

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slash drink. ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. What is the season it's time Parraween You've been waiting, we've been waiting The world's been waiting They just didn't know it Parraween is here Welcome everyone

Welcome everyone of where is Christine it's also uh as eva has lovingly named it paroene who and happy happy october everybody we are celebrating by um head on collisioning with other podcasts and everyone has agreed somehow thank you everyone to join forces and we have all swapped hosts in a case of uh the invasion of the host snatchers also lovingly named by eva thank you eva I know. Great job, Eva. Eva loves a name. I swear. She Parapod

presents Parra Ween Invasion of the Host Snashers. Episode three. Episode three. And we are very lucky, as Eva lovingly told me, because she knew I did not know this. There are six episodes across

five different podcasts. Yes. Where we have all joined forces and we are hosting each other's shows together. So thank you for taking over for Christine this week. This is Morgan from Creeps and Crimes in Crimes in Case You Do Not Know. Hello, everybody. I'm back again, twice

in one month. I know. We're getting really good. Look at me. We're getting really good at this. I know, you look, you look stunning, too. Thank you. The pink glow behind you. Well, you know, I was actually just looking in the camera. I was like, my hair looks pink. Because, like, it's like this.

You do look a little like a YouTube star or something. I don't know. In my mind, this is what YouTube stars look like. For those of that don't know, this is our old studio that has been refurbished into my house so that I could do some alone recordings like today. Honestly, I love the idea of like bringing it back to the original season of creeps and crimes. Yeah. Yeah, no, she's so cute.

For those who don't know, Morgan is the paranormal spooky co-host to Taylor's crime on creeps and crimes. And so since we're together, there's no crime hosts to tell us what to do. So we're just going to tell you a bunch of spooky stories today. Absolutely. And Eva also named this, oops, all creeps. I love it. And what's the other thing Eva wanted me to say? There's so many things.

We have T-shirts. We have T-shirts. Thank you, Morgan. You really are taking over as a true co-host. We have heroin shirts available. Check our socials for that. You could also on our socials see. Megan and Eva have put together a very lovely movie poster where you can see all of the

crossovers for Invasion of the Host Snatchers and you can follow along on everyone's respective podcast. Well, and because we're movie stars. Yeah. And honestly, we're the lead, if we're some of the first to go, right? I think we're one of the first episodes. That's what I was thinking to. Well, that's why I thought that we were first.

And so I had this little like joke cracked up, but we're third. So now I don't know what to say. Top three. Top three. What's the first is the worst? Second is the best. What's third? Third is the one with the hairy chest.

Here we are. So here we are. With our hairy chest. Well, since this is technically and that's why I drink, it begs the question. Do you have a reason why you drink this week, Morgan? And what do you drink? Did you bring a drink? Well, I did.

But because it's, you know, midday Saturday, I, well, that's actually a terrible excuse. because that sounds like a reason for a cocktail. You should get fucked up. I have a banana berry smoothie king's smoothie because it's midday and I didn't eat lunch. So I was like, this will get me through. Banana berry smoothie. And I'm going to throw it back to when we were on your podcast with Taylor's emotional support bottle. I actually went to Target and bought the same one.

So check that out. What color is that? This is green. It probably looks pink with my neon light. No, it was just like a, is it like a pistachio or a. Yeah, it's like a really light minty pistachio green with a pink orangey lid. So, so cute. But why do I drink this week?

Because I got conned by my dog with an injury. So last Friday, Aaron was going out of town to go on this golf trip. And all of a sudden, Ollie, who actually is in the room and he's being a fantastic boy right now, he's right below me sleeping. So I'm sure he'll make his entrance up here at some point throughout the same. episode but all of a sudden so Aaron's like practicing his little golf before he goes to Pennsylvania for this golf tournament and all he's laying down he's like just like holding his hip up like just like raising it up and doing like the workout like the like a jazzercise motion yeah literally and I'm like oh wow that's that's really weird and then I'm like I keep watching him

and he's limping around and he's like completely holding it up oh shit what the fuck because I didn't see him get hurt and so I like go on the ring camera just to make sure you didn't get like the zoomies outside or something got caught up and I didn't see anything so I'm immediately texting Aaron I'm like oh my god you got to get home like all he needs to go to the ER vet now because any sort of logical reasoning goes out the door sure and so Aaron comes home he's like no I think he's okay you know and I'm like well you're leaving this weekend and if we don't get this taken care of then I'm going to have a full panic attack and at 3 a.m. one night, Saturday night, I'm going to end up with the ER vet with a billion

dollar bill, and they're going to tell me that he's faking it. So anyway, that was actually on Thursday. So Friday comes and Aaron has a flight, and I'm like, okay, let's get him into the vet. I get to the vet. And they're like, oh, we have walk-ins, but we have an open availability at 340. I'm like, okay, well, let's do the 340 because I have to take Aaron to the airport. He's got to be there by 440, which means I got to be out of the vet within 40 minutes, 420 in the latest. Exactly. So I get there. There's no one there. It's just this woman and her little puppy. And they start, they take that one back. And then we're still sitting there. And I even got there early. I know that doesn't matter. And I know they get caught up. And all of these customers come in and they're taking their dogs back. And I'm sitting there and I'm getting really antsy. And he's like also moaning and whining. So he's like, holding his leg up and is like, oh my God. I would be a mess, by the way. I would be losing my mind. Well, I was pan. I was panicked. I was like, what did he? What if he tours? I'm watching all these videos. Don't go to chat GPT because they're like you he tore his the dog version of an ACL oh my god is something else

I don't know what it's called I would have lost my mind I I've only heard my dog like yelp and pain like twice and both times I went hospital time okay let's go let's go and let's go and he's like this I just drop him water on his mouth he's such an asshole all of a sudden I was like the hospital could wait yeah no so I'm I'm at the vet and then this woman comes in They're like, ma'am, your appointment was at 3.15. And she was like, I know. Oh, wait, I thought it was at 3.30. I was just running a little late.

They're like, either way, it's 3.45. All of this to say, we end up leaving because we didn't get back there. And Aaron had to be at the airport. So I take Aaron in the airport. And then all night, he's just like, limping around and moaning and crying. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so stressed. But I rescheduled him for Monday. Saturday comes.

He's still doing the same thing. Sunday comes. Aaron comes back and limp's gone. No whining. no holding his leg up and so we coordinated it we coordinated as he being a pick me because he saw suitcase getting packed uh-huh Thursday night uh-huh and he was like yeah my hip hurts so let me just lift it up so I got con but I really I don't know I still kind of think there was something going on because he's a golden and like hip dysplasia is really common

like swing their hips when they're walking but no he was fine i got conned i i mean i want to say shame on you but i would have done the exact same thing yeah i had full full panic mode and now he's fine he's just honestly laying on all of my cords so that'll be fun when he stands up did erin come home early or he came at the he came home at the time he was expected to the time he was expected to sunday so at least can you imagine if he got home and all of a sudden the dog was fine he's like, I left for this. Are you kidding me? No, I know. Yeah, well, he was just golfing Thursday still here in Knoxville, and then he flew to Pennsylvania Friday. And then he came back on Sunday. And he was fine when he came back on

Sunday. So he's just a little shit, I think, actually. My dog has yet to discover that he can be manipulative. Once he learns that power, it's all hell will break loose. Oh, yeah, you're screwed. Because they're already so dramatic. So then when they're being extra dramatic, it's like, I'm like hello no my dog usually I warn people at the dog park that he's a kneecap kneecap height cannonball

and he really has no interest in stopping when he's running he will just crack you in the legs and you'll go you'll fold down so I know that he's like pretty even in like an idiot way like I love him very much but he's not the smartest dog he just kind of is a brute force and really can't be harmed so when he does act like he's in pain I'm like what the hell happened I'm like what's going on yeah and one time he um I think he I mean he tripped

on concrete yikes I would scream too um see he was just reactive of that because he was embarrassed yeah I think he was honestly like trying to like do that thing where you laugh because you're so embarrassed you're like oh I'm having fine when that happened I was like oh okay it's time to go to the doctor and And then five seconds later, he was fine. So the day he actually does act really upset, I hope he's not manipulating me. I also hope he's not hurt, but I really won't know what to believe it'll be. Did you figure it out that you could just do this, you know? Right.

Yeah. I didn't like, when did Ollie figure that out? Like, that's what I don't know. He's never hurt his paw before, so he's never limped. And then all of a sudden, he's like, I mean, I'll send you pictures later. It was absolutely pitiful. But I love that. It's Hank, right?

Hank. Yeah, I love that he's a brute force because Ollie does the same thing. Anytime someone, like, comes and delivers a package, our front door is, like, majority glass. So he can see it, but I live in the house that Taylor used to live in. So her cat knocked out one of these little, like, square panels in the window, the bottom of the door. Is the cat a sumo wrestler? What do you mean? I don't even know which cat was.

If I had to guess, it was probably Nona or Ovi. And yes, they could be sumo wrestlers, not with their weight, but. because they're crazy just just there's a force oh my gosh yes and so he'll if someone's delivering a package he'll go full force like whoo sprinting towards a door but he can't stop himself so he just like slams into it and then the little panel always is like popping out and then we have to go put it back in it's just funny but also taylor's cat her her hip or her paw like three or four days before all he did maybe even a week because she was dangling off the banister and then fell down and so they ended up taking her to the vet. So then also part of me was like maybe he heard that Mila was

hurt and was getting some attention. And Ollie and Milo, you know, they go way back. So I was like, maybe he was like, okay, well, if Mila's hurt, then I'm also going to hurt my hip. Like a sympathy pain. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe. I don't know. Well, funny enough, the reason I drink this week is also because of my dog and a few reasons. One is he has been getting real chummy with the people who walk past our house and so he's been bending the fence that's his street so yeah he ends it he's been like popping up on the fence and I guess leaning on it or jumping on it so hard then now the fence is wobbly and so um I did not know how expensive fence repair is it like a wooden fence or iron it's like it's like it's like it's like just a random wooden fence but it's it's it's

I guess weak under him and it's a brute force like you said and all of a sudden I'm just like oh well I'm just going to see if I can get someone out here to repair it. And all of a sudden I was like, well, I guess we're just going to wait for this thing to fall down because it's wildly expensive. All of a sudden, my YouTube feed is covered with like how to repair your own fence. Yeah. I'm like, I'm not meant for this. But so I'm mad at him because he's broken my fence. But I'm also very excited because after I record with you, I have been traveling.

And this was his first week boarding. And so I'm going to go pick him up after I see you. you haven't even seen him why didn't you pick him up because i knew he would just be a nightmare while we're recording and i was like he can stay another night that's fine we could have had two more cameras in this and had hank molly actually that would be very funny if we just use our own like home security cameras as like who just kept them in the corner while we're recording so everyone sees what we're staring at what we're staring at it'd be funny yeah so i guess that's what happens when you get a dog then it becomes your reason as to why you drink every week it's very dumb

parents of us. I'm just saying. I know. I used to not be this person and now I can't shut up about him. And most of the time it's because he's absolutely driven me to the point of insanity. But today, other than the fence, I actually am very excited to see him. And I'm very worried. I'm very worried that he thinks we abandoned him because he has, he never is, I'm sorry people are going to yell at me, but there was kind of, it was a no choice situation. But I had to board him for multiple nights when usually it's encouraged that you board them for like one night or two. too so they get used to it and I ended up boarding him for like a whole week um and he's never he's never not been in our house since we got him so I it's he a rescue yeah and we were like his I think fourth or fifth home so I feel very very guilty no one has to yell at me trust me I already feel like the worst person in the whole world no one yell at them nobody if anyone is going to I'm going to go well you're right so boarding nowadays is so much more different than how it used to be. I mean, I don't know where Hank's being boarded. He's at a boutique.

Yeah, he's fine. Exactly. That's where all he goes to. And, like, they have doggy day care all day long. Like, there's not even like, kennel style. It's like, you have a whole room with a bed and sometimes a TV and a camera that you can watch the whole time. There's literally a, he's not at this one, but there is a boutique, doggy daycare boarding place next to us

that literally has basically a whole apartment that you can rent out for your dog. So he feels like he's in a bedroom with a TV on and a couch. Like I was like, who the hell is paying for this? They have their own backports where they could like walk out and use the restroom. Like they had their own thousand square feet that's totally furnished. I'm like, what the hell is going on over there?

And they're like, for easy, $700 a night. It was. I did look for the price. So I was like, just static here. But yeah, we really run the gamut here that he could be at the pound or he could be at the Ritz. So he's fine. I know he's fine, but I'm still worried that he thinks I left. him. So I'm excited to see him. That's what I drink.

He probably had a great time and then he'll love you even more when you get him. I hope so. So. And then I... I'm so sad that you didn't get him before him. I know. I would have been like, sorry, recordings canceled. I have to get my dog. I was very happy to like just veg out and not have to think about him because he's a Velcro dog. So every time I get off the couch, he's up and at him and like, where we going? I have often started saying that wherever my ankles are, my dog is. And so it's just a lot. easier to walk around the house without him so i was like yeah let me have 24 hours a piece so yeah i've been enjoying that always the same way yeah yeah he's at my ankles right now as we speak

right yeah so okay well uh you since usually i go first but i think on your show do you go first or do you switch yeah that's why i think we're at a crossroad so do you go first or do i go first um i don't know i guess you are the guest so i'm going to have you go first if that's okay just because otherwise it'd be rude so um so do you have you have a little intro oh yeah and that's why yes i'm ready great here's morgan ta-da i don't know we can't take it away morgan well wait are we doing that and that's why don't you do that's how we that's how we hang up oh that's how you hang up okay that's what that's right that's right that's right but it's very nice that i mean by saying that at all you've

proven that you probably listen you've listened all the way through an episode or something Yeah, at least one, but I really don't listen to any podcast, not even my own. I've never listened to a full episode of creeps and crimes. Okay, so... Understood. You know, and that's why we drink. We're always talking about our grapes over here, and sometimes it's that I'm having a tough time sleeping. Sometimes I'm just stressed out about stuff.

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Thanks, by the way. Based off of both of our Reddit threads where people were like, um, why hasn't M covered this? And I thought that today's subject would be perfect for both of us because we both have talked about this entity at lengths like here or there without ever truly covering it. Oh, okay. And so this Parolean extravaganza is a perfect time for it because Halloween is the one

time a year where the veil between the ordinary and the uncanny is just a little bit thinner. And among all the monsters and urban legends that we cover in October, this one that feels especially perfect for this season because he's not a creature from a movie and he's not just some spooky story passed down from campfires. He's something far stranger. So today I'm going to be talking about the hat man. Shut the fuck up. I'm so excited. Okay. I've literally okay yes please please sorry for my big dream i was like type man i was like this is going to be good i was like frankenstein no i'm talking about the hat man so if you've ever woken up in the middle of the night frozen in place and felt this undeniable presence that something or someone is standing over you

watching you you might already know exactly who i mean he's tall he's featureless and he's cloaked in darkness and the only detail that sets him apart from any other shadow figure is this wide brim hat sometimes described as a fedora other times a top hat or even a cowboy hat have you ever seen him i had experienced sleep paralysis maybe like fourth or fifth grade and the way my bedroom is set up there was my childhood bedroom there was a little hallway like so here's my bed i'm facing two closets and then to the right of me is this little hallway where the door would be so like i couldn't see my door into my bedroom from my bed and like i mean tiny tiny hallway it's just like a little little chunk of wall and it was the first time i had sleep paralysis and do you remember those

little desk fans they were like they were really loud sometimes so mine was like especially loud way louder than my siblings and so i remember being in paralysis and that fan like getting progressively slower and progressively louder and there's this figure in the corner by that door and it was like slowly approaching me and i was so young but i remember trying to scream mom mom mom and then finally i woke up and i was like mom you know like at the top of my lungs and i guess i never really thought more about it trauma brain probably blocked it out but when i'm typing these notes i'm like holy shit what if that was a hat man oh my god a delivery person just shoot up with a tall hat on no but all of a sudden like i'm right i'm right next to my window

like what you can't see right here is a window and so i saw a man go boom Man delivering your Amazon Prime. You really are, you had to be so freaked out. And then all of a sudden that happened, I went, this is it. Okay. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. So I was thinking, though, like, based off these notes and like what everyone else in the world has been saying, I was like, I wonder if that was hat man.

But I can't, like, actually, like, remember what he looked like. I just knew it was like a shadow of a figure, like a tall slenderman type ordeal situation coming closer and closer to me. And then any other sleep paralysis I've had, it's been doppelgangers. So that was weird. What? I've never had. That's crazy. No, I've never had that.

Yeah. The other, like, prominent one that I vividly remember and tell people, I was in college in my freshman dorm. And my roommate, she always, like, got up super early for her 8 a.m. But I scheduled, like, 10 a.m., nothing earlier than that. So I would sleep in. But I remember sleeping. And when I woke up, this is what's weird, is that I was facing the wall.

And I had this, like, fake, like, Van Gogh painting, but it was a poster on that side of the wall. So I was facing the wall, sleeping, curled up like this. And I remember feeling somebody poked my back. And so my eyes are open. I can see my dorm room clearly. And when I woke up, like in my paralysis, I wasn't facing that wall. I was, like, facing, or maybe my head was just, like, completely turned, like, to look out into the room. and it was my roommate but like it didn't look like my roommate but it was my roommate

ew and she was like wake up wake up yeah no fucking freaky and so i like when i finally was able to wake up i was facing the wall i wasn't even facing that and there was no one there and she had been gone for hours it was probably like 9 a.m or 10 a.m. at that point so fucking creepy i definitely well done on the goosebumps um yeah i hate that story yeah oh my god it's also like so maybe your body never turned around but like your soul turned around and saw it yeah taylor and i we just had this conversation actually that like what if we're actually astral like projecting in a way as like a protection way like yeah fight in that dimension or whatever you want to believe that veil is during sleep paralysis that you see things sure

because like there's no explanation as to why i would be facing the wall but seeing this the room this way like clearly yeah like your your spirit new to like be on guard while you were resting or something oh my god oh have you ever had sleep paralysis um i have but i i don't even know if it was the hat man himself it was a never never a hatted man it was always just a random yeah seemed bald man it was a very round head um but it was um just like literally as if i was seeing someone shadow and I couldn't see the person. It was just a solid black figure who would just stand over me. It was never, they never moved.

They never approached me. I would just wake up and they were already hovering over me. Like if you were laying like this, it was like right now. No, not like we're like, like we're holding each other. Like just like as if you're standing over someone's bed and looking at them while they're sleeping. Oh, I hate that. And then I had, you don't even get the like experience of them approaching you. You wake up and they're there.

yeah and to the actually i i hope i don't have to like prove it to myself later tonight or anything but the last few times i've had sleep paralysis i was aware of it before i even opened my eyes and i just thought if i open my eyes i'm about to see something really fucking scary just keeps together like breathe through it it's going to go away but i can feel someone still standing over me wait that's crazy because i've like been able to train myself the same way because i had it so much as a kid that i had it so much as a kid that i know what to do and i'm like just breathe don't open your eyes like i know when i'm in it yeah yeah 100% and there were times if i'm lying next to allison first of allison doesn't believe in any of

this or she would be zero fucking help but also every now and then i'm like i'm going to keep my eyes closed because i don't want to see what's going on but let me just for science just see if i can scream as loud as possible to wake alison up if she could help me and i can never do it i still have never learned how to break that wall but um for research purposes I was like while we're here You know I was fucking around When I was a little kid

My first sleep paralysis Was actually in a dream And a werewolf was chasing me And when I woke up The werewolf was in my room Ooh That was some Freddie Kruger shit I like kind of bit

Yeah seriously Yeah And I hate that for you And nobody came of course And anyway I don't like that Not the were Neither

No Anyway Was it Jacob Can you imagine No I think it was You know it was funny in the dream it was like um my mom would always drop me off at this daycare in the gym while

she was working out and i remember him this werewolf breaking into the daycare and trying to chase me through the ball pit and the ball pit was like fucking quicksand i couldn't get away fast enough and this werewolf jumped on top of me while i was in the ball pit and i woke up in my room and the werewolf was in there why like were you like fascinated by werewolves as a kid like was that your no i had no interest in werewolves i don't know what about Twilight. Were you a Twilight kid? Well, when I was, when I was at the age that this happened, Twilight hadn't come out yet. Yeah, because what if Taylor, you woke up and it's like Taylor Water? That would be a special, and then I'm a time traveler, so.

Your time traveler. Sorry, that's weird. That's crazy. I wonder why what your connection is, like, ancestrally to werewolves. What if you are a werewolf? Ah, I don't know. Maybe Hank can sense that in me. I don't know. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. The end, the hat man. The end.

That's so scary. I'm sorry, you went through that. I'm sorry, you went through that. The werewolf chronicles. Okay, let me see. Okay, so he's tall, he's featureless, and he's always cloaked in this darkness. And the only detail that sets him apart is his hat, like we said, either a cowboy hat, a wide-brimmed hat, sometimes a fedora, sometimes a top hat. whatever the shape his silhouette is unmistakable the hat man isn't tied to a single town or a single

culture or even a single time period because he shows up everywhere people who have never spoken to one another who live on opposite ends of the world describe seeing the same thing a man in a hat watching from the corner of the room sometimes silent a little bit menacing and sometimes just standing there but always he's unforgettable and that's what makes the hat man the perfect subject for Halloween because he exists in this eerie liminal space that's half folklore half personal fucking nightmare and it just makes him a little bit harder to dismiss he's not just out there in the world he's in here in the most private vulnerable moments of our lives when we're asleep when we're experiencing sleep paralysis and when we're alone in the dark which is like kind of like

feeding on like childhood like the most common childhood fears being in the dark you know i did think you were going to say it's like he's Santa, um, but he's just like, yeah, I mean, he's also Santa Claus. So he's always there. He's got a hat. Um, no, I, uh, yeah, I, uh, yeah, I wonder if you're going to touch on this, but I would imagine it starts with all of our natural fear of being in the dark, right? And just seeing just your, your brain coming up with shadows. I do, I do kind of touch on that at the end here. Okay. Yeah. So I'm going to dig into the history of the hat man, But when I say history of the Hatman, we're not talking about like the normal way that you would trace a ghost story to like some 19th, 18th century diary, because he doesn't really emerge from a single source. He's more like this product from these layers over time, starting with these ancient shadow folklore all the way to the digital age where he was really amplified.

So long before internet forums like Reddit or 4chan cultures around the world told stories of these nighttime spirits or shadow beings or entities. that would sit on your chest during sleep. These sleep demons appear in medieval folklore, in European witchcraft texts, and in non-Western spiritual traditions. For example, there is something called the Nighthag, and the Nighthag is ancient, and it's similar to Hatman,

because the Nighthag is this malicious spirit or demon who sits on sleepers, suffocates them, and induces terror. I didn't know she had a name. The Nighthag, yes. And in many accounts, the victim is paralyzed, unable to move or speak or cry out. So sleep paralysis. And many traditions also speak of shades or soul wanderers at night or shadowy watchers. There's multiple

names for them. In indigenous folklore, some believe that a person's outer shadow might wander independently while that person is sleeping and become capable of scaring the shit out of somebody who might be stuck in paralysis if they were to wander in that direction. There's so many example of these older traditions that describe the shadow presence or spirit during a sleep paralysis episode. However, there is none that really describe our typical silhouette in the tall hat, fedora cowboy hat, maybe even a ball cap. I don't know. Does Hatman wear a ball cap every now and then? I like that he has like a whole closet full of every, every, what if he's got a, it's like an Abraham Lincoln hat? I don't know. His wardrobe is all the same. It's his trench coat and then it's like black trench coats

lined up and then it's like five different styles of hats you know it's funny you mention that because in my mind he has a trench coat and i i do i imagine he's got like big clunky boots yeah um and in my mind he's got the wide brim hat like jeepers creepers do you in my mind i see like an abraham lincoln top hat really are you fucking with me really no i swear that's how i view him interesting imagine if he starts talking he's like four score and seven seven years ago oh that's weird i made a joke about the abraham lincoln act because i thought like nobody thinks it's that hat okay no that's how i see him i with like a maybe not like a top hat but like i don't know no yeah top hat is like a fancy hat yeah yeah like a formal tire i never heard cowboy hat but

that makes sense too yeah over the course of the 1900s and especially into the later half of the century personal account started shifting from this supernatural folklore to this population wide shadow person phenomenon, meaning it was no longer ancient that it was happening in current time and people were finally talking about it. The topic of shadow people started gaining traction in paranormal circles and even authors began collecting reports. Now, the term itself is pretty vague, but it became this kind of patch all for entities that are dark, shapeless, semi-solid, human-like shadows, shadow people. And then on April 12, 2001, there was a radio host named Art Bell, who was on the show Coast to Coast A.m. He interviewed this half Cherokee man,

sometimes referred to as Thunderstrike or Swiftier. His name was Harley Reagan. His background is a little confusing. I honestly had a hard time understanding some of it. And it's somewhat also, I think, controversial to some, which is why I'm going to keep this brief. But I just wanted to mention this interview in particular. But they interviewed him on radio about shadow people. And this was actually one of the first times the topic of shadow people were discussed at length publicly. While during the show, listeners were encouraged to submit drawings of shadow people that they had seen. And a large number of these drawings that were sent in were then shared publicly on the show's website, like almost immediately. This broadcast is often referred to as the starting point of taking shadow people from these niche reports and turning them into something that will become collectively speculated about and documented in the paranormal.

community and majority of them guess what they looked like am abraham lincoln what abraham lincoln shut the fuck up no way no but hatman for me abraham lincoln for you the wide broom hat hat so okay so okay 2001 is the the birth year of the hatman essentially or essentially yes yes essentially interesting and then in october of that same year 2001 There was an author named Heidi Hollis who published writings on shadow people, helping solidify the lore of these dark silhouettes. And I'm actually going to come back to Heidi's book when I talk about the theories of who or what Hatman could be. So we'll circle back to that. But over the 2000s, reports and speculation about shadow people multiplied.

Online forums, ghost investigation sites, radio programs, all built this collective archive of almost near identical experiences from people around the world. And that's when we really started picking up that there was one specific shadow person that was one of the most common throughout these reports. And this was The Hatman. A lot of people think that the Hatman actually stems from a creepy pasta

similar to the rake or even Slender Man. However, that's not the case at all. And while he does feel old, almost ancient, since a lot of the time when you look up the history of the Hatman, it combines these ancient shadow folklore with a lot of modern reports. He is actually a relatively new entity

given the time period that we have here. And if you really think about it, this makes sense because people in the 1700s aren't going to see this man dressed in like 1940s, 50s, you know, business attire. Because like that's what he's really wearing, you know, which is weird that why did we all choose that? Like he truly seems like some grumpy businessman in his hat. Yeah, actually, that's a great point. Okay. We briefly discussed this at the beginning, but Hatman has a few very specific characteristics. He's tall, usually between six and eight feet, but featureless made of shadow.

his hat is kind of his calling card like em and i have been joking the entire time it's a fedora sometimes a wide brimmed hat sometimes a cowboy hat and occasionally a tall top hat we're not sure on baseball caps just yet um no matter which type of hat the outline and the fact that he is wearing a hat is always there and he is often described as wearing this long trench coat or cloak or even a cape that hangs to the ground and just looks like really heavy and it kind of gives the yeah i could see a cape too And it kind of gives the impression of formality. Like he's dressed for an important event. So do people ever compare him to like the Grim Reaper then?

Oh, maybe. He's here to collect you. Yes. Oh, that was one of the theories is that some cultures believe that Hatman is like almost like the Grim Reaper or even Moth Man like before a tragic event or like calling your death card situation. Sure. His face is usually absent. His head is like this dark void and there's a darker patch of shadows with no eyes, no mouth, no features. And in some accounts, though, he does have these glowing red or piercing yellow eyes that will shine out of his blackness, I guess.

Out of his hole, yeah. And his movement is pretty odd because he doesn't walk like a normal person. Instead, the report say that he either drifts or hovers or just like appears in the corner of a doorway. So for me, he probably drifted in for M. he just appears. weird well your man was bald he was without hat yeah i and i'm now i'm overthinking it and in my brain he's like he now owns a hat and so but um yeah i don't i and maybe for all we know the bald guy i saw is the hat man he was just like feeling confident about his bald head that day yeah and he was like he was in his wardrobe before and he was like you know what yeah he's like it's stuffy in here

it's stuffy in here this is an informal meeting i can take my hat off um yeah that's so i i yeah he would just appear for me yes and he hovered i guess or drifted for me um some reports say that he will lean forward tilting his head almost like he's like examining you so approaching the bad like how you described it um your bald man and it's just kind of looking over you and it's these little details that make the hatman report stand out from other shadow people he's usually reported in three different scenarios the first being the obvious sleep paralysis encounters victims of the hatman will wake up in bed, unable to move with the hatman looking at the foot of the bed or standing in the doorway. And when you're in paralysis, your body sort of locks in place. So it

leaves the victims completely trapped as the hatman seems to watch or approach slowly or leaning closer. Absolutely terrifying. I hate all three of those scenarios. The second scenario is during haunting experiences. Some people have claimed to see Hatman while fully awake, reporting that he has appeared in hallways, corners of rooms, or sometimes even in mirrors. I hate the mirrors I hate the mirrors There have even been cases of haunted houses Where the entire family has seen him

Throughout the house or a shadow describing the same figure The third scenario is a bit more interesting Oh God, here I go Okay Tell me Dip in hydramine Yes. Diffenhydramine, or brand name bedadryl is an over-the-counter antihistamine.

At normal doses, it treats allergies, but at high doses, it can become a delirion. Or a class of drugs that causes vivid, fully formed hallucinations, confusion, or severe cognizant. impairment. People who abuse Benadryl recreationally, which this is new to me. Actually, I did not know that that this cause delirium. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, Benadryl. I've, sorry, finish your sentence first and then I'll. Okay. Or accidentally overdose, often report seeing shadowy figures. Do you want to? Sure. I was going to say the only, up until this point, the only thing I knew about the Hatman was that you see him if you take too much Benadryl. That was like my first, um, And that was our first experience of, like, COVID brain rot, actually.

Oh, really? It was a meme. Yeah, I'll talk about it. Oh, my God. That's so fascinating because I really never heard about that. I always heard of like, oh, everyone has a sleep paralysis demon, like, in general. Everyone has seen shadow people. But I never heard about the Hatman until the context of Benadryl was being talked about.

Yeah. Do you remember, like when you made that connection, was it TikTok? It must have been. Now that you're bringing it up, it was certainly a meme. So it was online because you would just hear, like, like, oh, I took too much Benadryl. Oh, get ready to see the Hatman, something like that. Yeah.

That was my first notice of it. Yeah. I guess I don't know what kind of for you page I was on at that point in time. I guess I swipped coffee because I don't remember ever seeing the Hatman situation go viral. I don't know. Anyway. Oh, my God. You just blew my mind.

I know you haven't even gotten there yet. But wow, what a fun fact. Okay. Yeah. So this isn't like LSD's geometric visuals. Delirians cause real feeling hallucinations. and oftentimes users can't even tell that they are hallucinating or that they had taken too much Benadryl.

On forums like Reddit, there are countless reports describing a specific hallucination at high doses, reports that state that they see a tall, shadowy man in a trench coat, and a hat, often standing silently in the corner of the room. Sometimes even multiple figures, but the main one is always dubbed the Hatman. There is literally a saying that says, quote, don't take too much Benadryl or you'll meet you.

the hatman. Yeah. It's actually become so common that on the Reddit thread DPAH, which is subreddit about the Diffenhydramine, Dippenhydramine, however you say it, the hatman is practically their mascot. Like, he's like their picture. I'm telling you, if Benadryl has the chance of the funniest thing in the world right now. No, literally.

Don't fuck this up. All right. Like, just make your, like, they would be, you know how there's those random brands on TikTok that just post the craziest shit like Nutter Butter and Sirepatch Kids and all But if Benadryl just really lean into the Hatman shit, I know it's technically probably like so bad for their brand. Absolutely, because it's like overdosing, you know. But in other ways, it'd be so good for their brand.

Wow. The fact that people, okay, Ollie, you good? He's up now. He's going to be up here soon. The fact that people across the globe describe the same entity is what makes Hatman so interesting. I'm going to actually come back to the TikTok thing. Reports come from North America, Europe, South America.

Asia and Africa with no cultural link or common folklore that would explain why this specific or exact figure keeps reappearing. So the realization that thousands are seeing the same shadow with a hat gave rise to hatman's current reputation, that he is now not just a personal nightmare, but a shared visitor across the globe. During peak COVID time, TikTok blew up with jokes about the Benadryl Hatman. There were memes of a silhouette with captions that said, Me, Waiting for You After 1,000 milligrams of Benadryl

it'd be like a picture of hat man um basically a shorthand for you're about to trip so fucking hard that you're going to see the hat man yeah yeah i'm telling you he could be the new duolingo owl so i feel really left out of this experience of the benedro hot man i didn't see any of this but i mean i can i'm envisioning it in my head you're writing it for me right now on the comments now while this joke can be funny i am going to put a major disclaimer from m and i both here to obviously not do this at home because benadryl overdosing is fucking dangerous it can legit cause seizures as hard arrhythmia's coma and even death so this is not a call to action for anyone to meet hatman okay please do not actually the point of the joke

is you're in trouble and it's bad if you meet him yes exactly it's like people and this is still not funny, but this is what my four you pay. This is what I'm imagining, people in anaphylaxic shock or something, and people are commenting and they're like, oh yeah, you're about to meet the hat man, you know, like, that's what I'm picturing. Okay, on a more conspiracy note, no one has been able to really track down who Hatman is, only speculate. And there is all kinds of speculation, starting with some more psychological or neurological theories that suggest that Hatman is not an entity at all, but more of a projection of our own minds under stress. For example, in the sleep paralysis scenarios, during REM sleep, your brain is paralyzed

so you don't act out dreams. Sometimes you wake up before the paralysis lifts. You're conscious, but can't move. And your amygdala, is that how you say that? Amygdala. Amygdala. Amygdala, yes. And you're amygdala.

I was like, mandala effect. Mandala effect. Your amygdala or your fear center fires. The brain then misinterprets the environment and creates a sense. like intruder image, and because hats and coats are common signs of strangers, the shadow often takes this form. And then, as for the Benadryl hallucinations, a lot of people believe that since delirians or even high fevers can produce life-like shadow people hallucinations, that it's actually

the fault of the Hatman memes because it sort of primed people to hallucinate a man in a hat specifically, especially because the Benadryl Hatman connection didn't really become popular until it did. and then we also have pattern recognition humans evolved to detect faces and threats in the dark under stress low light or half awake states and a coat rack or a shadow can seem like a tall man like i can't tell you how many times i grew up as a kid i'm like oh there's a man there you know like in the shadows and it's really just like a a coat rack or a lamp with something hanging on it i had what i thought was a regular sleep paralysis demon as a kid and it ended up just being the shadow of the toilet were you sleeping in the bathroom my when I would get scared and I would go sleep in my mom's room she had like an attached bathroom and she did the door open and then there was a window that would hit the toilet and then hit the wall and it just it literally looked like a grown ass man it was very scary and I thought you were about to tell me when you got scared you went to the top and you slept to the top and so that would have been really sad thank God nothing that pitiful yet but hold on just wait it'll it'll show I would have had had to call a better help for you who you were sleeping in the tub no okay um the mind will then fill in a hat or cloak because that silhouette is like almost a universal sign for stranger danger but to me while those explanations do make sense if i'm feeling logical i think they're fucking

boring so we're going to switch gears to the paranormal and the supernatural theories love it paranormal communities often describe shadow people as lesser entities with the hat man as their more powerful leader or overseer he's the man in charge so when you just see a shadow run by that's a hat man's little minion's a little worker some claim that he's not just a spirit but something actually demonic many experiencers or many victims report feeling an intense intense sense of dread not just fear and then also there's a thing theory that he could potentially be interdimensional or even alien. And this is when I bring back a Heidi Hollis. So Heidi Hollis was that author who first wrote that book about shadow people and was like bringing in collective reports from people in 2001 after the radio show. She helped popularize the term hatman.

And in her book, she theorized that shadow people and the hat man are related to aliens or interdimensional beings who cloak themselves in darkness. and in her book it's called The Secret War she suggests that these entities are actually a part of this ongoing spiritual battle interesting

so maybe we're actually being abducted by Hatman you know Christine isn't here but this would be the theory she would want to run with for sure I just as someone who I know she's absolutely thinks that aliens are coming at some point

or they're watching us right now so they would make total sense that they would in a liminal space when we're all very relaxed and not stressed and it might be easier to tap into our brains or whatever. Well, and also, I kind of think, like, with this theory that, like, this and men in black go hand in hand. I don't know how you feel about men and black, but, like, I don't think they're us.

I think they're, like, not human. I've never really thought about the men in black long enough to think about it, but that makes sense to me. So, like, to me, their nighttime attire, because we know they come in their suits, right, and their glasses. But maybe their nighttime attire is their trench coat. over their suits and their little hats. They're fancy hats.

And so they're coming in to either like, I don't know, wipe our memories if we were abducted in. Now I'm getting a little crazy. And to add to that, it's always thought that aliens are, they're trying to look enough like us that they pass, but there's always something a little off. And it would make sense that they're still dressed like 40s, 50s, like a little outdated in their clothing. Yeah, get with the times, aliens. Mm-hmm. interesting um i never thought that they could be aliens i always assumed ghost but i also i just like how you mentioned i always felt dread i always assumed there

was some sort of hierarchy like it felt like he rolled the roost if he was in the room um never occurred to me alien that's yeah yes now i didn't read the secret war by hattie hollis but if you guys are interested i think it's on amazon um another theory that holds that the me, I may have started as like a handful of hallucinations, but became a topa. I'm saying that right? Or a being sustained by collective belief, the more that people talk about and fear him, the stronger and more independent he becomes. Yeah.

Like all of our brain power is accidentally conjuring him or something. Right. Like how we think about like creepy accounts, like with the rake specifically. Speaking of the rake, M. Have you seen the video on TikTok about the North Carolina 911 call? No. Well, now that you've mentioned it, it'll be here in five seconds. But no, I haven't seen it yet. You have to look it up after this. Basically, this guy is like, I see these people bleeding on the side of the road. It's like a recording a 911 call. And the 911 dispatcher is like, no help at all. She's like, where are you at? He's like, I'm passing your Patriots Creek right now. And she's like, where, sir? Then you hear boom, like in the back of the bed of his truck. And he's like, what the fuck? He's like, what the fuck? He's like. that's not human that's not human and she's like where are you at sir and he's like he's like

it's in the bed of my truck it's in the bed of my truck and you can hear it like pounding on the top of the thing like trying to get in and then the sheriff who's like a legit sheriff like people have like went on to the whatever county this was their sheriff website and this guy is actually there and he's from this documentary but i think it's a youtube docu-series that this clip was pulled from and he gets on afterwards he's talking he's like he slammed on his brights and that that being went flying forward landed on its two feet rushed off into the woods when my department and i talk about this case it just gives us shivers oh yeah you have to listen to it because the number one call is actually fucking crazy i i feel like i everyone is like the rake

the rake oh my god it's a rake that's funny you know when sometimes tictock will show you videos like responses or stitches before the actual video i've gotten stitches and i didn't know what was actually going on so I've just been kind of waiting but I'll look it up immediately after this yes I'm yeah yes I'll also send it to you just to remind you to yes yes immediately so that is my deep dive on the hatman but I don't know where we are at on time right now um I have one of our listener stories that involves hat man and I thought that maybe this one would be perfect for today because it's actually a mutual listener of creeps and crimes and that's why we drink and it also gives some insight or she gives some insight on how to how hearing traumatic and dark things how to heal

after hearing traumatic and dark things which i think is probably something really good for your listeners my listeners since they tune into us every week we could use it yeah okay yeah read it yeah okay hey besties my name is corey she her pronouns yes you can use my name i had been working my way through the backlog after hearing the spooky anthology from and that's why we drink in october 24 yes i which i What is that? Hmm. I don't know.

Yes, I was like, I don't think we record anything in 2024, but I guess we did. We probably did. I, it's, I don't know anymore. Anyway, yes, I started at episode one shrug. Y'all are super funny. I even keep you playing while I'm falling asleep because the banter section is just enough to help with my ADHD brain, letting go and relaxing so that I can fall asleep. I'm writing in because of creepy account episode 202 from creeps and crimes,

and the therapist who wrote in about the dreams about her client and the need for boundaries. I can relate. I've been a therapist for almost 10 years in community mental health and I also have wild dreams, sleep paralysis, night terrors, and deja vu since I was seven years old. So I suppose that Susan would likely say that I am open. Buckle up, I am going to explain my own journey of creepy dreams and the mantra that I have to help manage my experiences. Before I was seven, I would fight anyone who told me that you have to dream to stay alive. I would literally close my eyes and it was nothingness. I would wake up. At about seven, Corey, whoa.

At about seven, I had my two first vivid night terrors that I remember to this day almost 30 years later. The first dream, I was in my early childhood home with my family and I started to sense that vampires had started infiltrating my neighborhood and no one was listening to me. Then I saw a hot sauce packet from Taco Bell in the kitchen with a smiley face with fangs. I knew that the evil vampires had infiltrated and shape shifted to trick my family. I woke up, screamed, and ran to my parents' room as my dad opened the packet. I laid down with my parents and immediately fell into a dream where I was then at a zoo with dinosaurs

and I was standing in front of a cage with this huge T-Rex while I slowly pulled my fingers off as they were made of clay and fed them to the dinosaur while sobbing hysterically. Can you imagine having never dreamed and now you're pulling? pulling your own fingers off. Feeding it to a dinosaur. I'd be like, Taco Bell vampires. I'm never dreaming again.

I was totally right to not do this. And imagine going to Taco Bell like the next week with your dad. And you're like, don't get the hot sauce. Don't get the hot sauce. And dad's like, I'll take two Diablos. It's fucked up. I would be so panicked. I would do.

When I was nine, I had a dream that there was a man without a face standing in an unfamiliar classroom. He wore an intricately patterned red sweater. and he was clearly upset and he slapped a large yardstick against the desk as he spoke three years later that dream occurred in the form of my sixth grade teacher same outfit same classroom setting everything oh i don't know that word coles coles c-o-a-l-es-c-ed-d girl do it slower what are you talking about co-a-l-l-l-o-l-l-col-lis what's that mean yeah okay I don't know. Too many questions.

Everything. Edit that out. Everything coalesced. And suddenly, I had the face for the guy in my dream. I was chronically tired, struggled with insomnia, and had a few or had, and had a slew of test as a kid because of my issues with sleep. I would sleep walk. I would sleep talk. My brothers would try to investigate this if I was ever half asleep on the couch because they thought it was so funny. Most of it was harmless, random deja vu. And I often didn't recall my dreams in my adolescence. I did still struggle to go to sleep on time and wake up on time, but I always shocked it up to ADHD and being a teenager. My dad died when I was 19 due to a ruptured aneurysm. He could have saved if he could have been saved if the doctor had followed protocol with dual blood pressure cuffs as the aneurysm was leaking quite slowly all day. But without intervention, it did rupture about 12 hours into the day and he was gone.

I'm so sorry for your loss. After he passed, I had ongoing worsening insomnia. Duh. This is where the sleep, uh, Corey said, duh, not me. This is where the- Oh, I thought it. I was like, yeah. Yeah. This is where the sleep paralysis started. For a long time, it was mostly fine. I would have lucid dreams where I was aware of the sleep paralysis, like I'm talking in the dream, then suddenly I'm aware that my mouth isn't moving, and the dream becomes far more ominous as I fight to be able to actually move my body. In grad school, I started to see the hat man

during sleep paralysis. I was under immense stress in a new state, and I felt very alone in this time. Then one night, the hat man was inches from me, looming over me in this void-like shadow who looked like the silhouette of Dick Tracy, including the fedora and turned up collar on a trench coat. This was unacceptable. Okay, is it sad if I tell you? I don't know who Dick Tracy is.

He's an old guy. He's an old guy. I bet if I saw him, I knew. I'm just not good with names of celebrities. would um he's like i'll look him out yeah i don't even know how to tell you what he what he was in i know he was in um what the dick tracy show or some shit or am i thinking of uh andy griffith help me dick tracy where is he from the rocketeer oh who framed roger rabbit oh is he a comic character no he's a person i think who's matt

Now I'm scared. Warren Beatty Dick Tracy. Oh, that's a good question. I actually don't know. Let me see. Dick Tracy is an ongoing American comic strip featuring Dick, okay, well, you were right. Featuring Dick Tracy a tough and intelligent police detective created by Chester Gold.

Okay, so I was mixing him up with Andy Griffith. Okay, but he is, there is actually like, he is a real actor as well. Well, not like, his name's not that, but his character, Dick Tracy is an actor and a detective. Ninety- Interesting. very interesting who's also an old man yes so it's just a lot of references that are making our parents feel bad right now oh oh yeah oh for sure and eva's texting us on the side it means come together yeah um hmm whoops all right well and although by the way i wonder how you said her name's cori core i wonder how old corey is if you're having um your first sleep paralysis of steam

and looks like dick tracy it's like what well they i she did say 30 30 years later and then um this was submitted i think of 2024 so maybe she just likes the oldies the golden era nice okay so corey sees dick tracy including the fedora and turned up collar and a trench coat and this was unacceptable i felt my heart rate shoot up and i reached next to me and i threw my shelf her entire shelf i woke up because a cup of water i had on a nightstand splash into my face and then i had to figure out how to proceed with the lamp and my glasses were on the floor in the dark this was the first time that i had the hat man come this close but it wouldn't be the last it also wasn't the last time that i checked my nightstand over to get him to go my god that's like

such a like he's not just hovering in the corner this is like so violent what are you talking about. Corey, Corey is actually fighting the hat man. Like fighting demons, literally fighting demons. This is interesting. Even if I was wearing a sleep mask, I felt that I could see the hat man or other events occurring in my half-waking state. This is Zach Began's wet dream, like being able to actually fight someone from the other realm. Yeah, well, he needs to reach out to Corey, I guess. Maybe don't. Don't do that. Corey, don't answer him. Somewhere along this whole timeline in the last 17 years, I also was visited by my dad twice. My dad was a big goofy bear of a man. He was a jokester and a prankster, which was often a surprise because he was so quiet

and reserved in public settings. I remember being in a haunted house as a child and begging the monster at the top of the slide not to scare me. And he glanced up at my dad behind me, gulped and agreed. But at home or with friends, my dad would vamp like the most flamboyant gay man, wrap ribbons around his head and make the worst dad jokes when I determined to be in a bad mood in the first stream he came to me and said dad what are you doing here you died oh sorry i said dad what are you doing here you died and he told me this long elaborate story about how he was secretly in the cia and had really just fake the whole thing what i in a dream all right for sure the next time i dreamed that he came and explained that the whole thing was a prank and that he

had actually moved somewhere else in the world and i needed to go find him he had his typical sparkle in his eye during both of those dreams and i knew that he was trying to reassure me in the dreams, I felt immense relief that my dad was still out there and it was bittersweet to wake up to the same reality where he was gone. I also have random night terrors that don't make a lot of sense. One of the most vivid ones, I was in a dark hallway and there was a wide opening leading into an open airspace. It was a tall arched opening where I could see a large, extraordinarily bright moon and a balcony surrounded by a low railing. In front of me, I see the back of a woman in a satin nightgown booking it towards that opening. I woke up screaming, no. I still don't know

why that came up. When this happens, it takes a long time for my heart rate to get back to normal, even once I wake up all the way, and I know it was in my dream. Okay. So back to the therapist in 2. People often ask me how I am able to listen to the worst horrors of human experience or existence day in and day out. I specialize in trauma work, and this was the basis of my undergraduate and graduate work, and I run comprehensive dialectical behavioral therapy programs, which treats people with borderline personality disorder, intense folks who have been through a lot and are often trigger warning, suicidal, or self-harming, as well as having specialty training in CBT for psychosis. The thing I usually tell people when they note how intense,

difficult, and traumatic, all of this must be, is that I am a filter, not a reservoir. I do not take on anything that someone gives me as my own, and my job is to hold people in their experiences for the time I am with them, but I always have to give it back to them before they leave. I love that for any therapists out there. All of this long-winded way to say that while I am a skeptic, a scientist, and agnostic, I do believe in the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy can either be created nor destroyed, only transform for one form to another. When we really boil it down, we are energy wrapped in meat and bones.

So it stands to reason that our energy exchanges with one another in a given moment during life, as well as in our death. I hope my little mantra might help someone who needs a way to conceptualize a boundary, but maybe wants to remain somewhat open. I feel the urge to apologize for the length of this, but instead I'm going to attach some picks of my cantankerous old lady doggos

Nixon Daria for tax. I hope you all have a wonderful day. And even if it isn't run on the pot, I appreciate the chance to write it all out, Corey. Thank you, Corey. Thank you, Corey. I think I actually read Corey's story in February of last year.

on our feed, but I just thought it would be good since all of our spooky stories that are going to be coming in through October. Oh my gosh. I hate that you dream like this, Corey, actually, just real quick. Like that I fear her power. I'm like, she's, how was she able to do some of these things? How is she able to fight the hat man is my question. Corey, a Blumhouse production behind you, like, or ahead of you, I guess. Like, you're about to be a feature film like that's crazy oh i love that that's wild i i'm glad i can't do that but i also sympathize with your with your plate yes me as well how often do you see um the hat man or have sleep paralysis in general is it is it a lot for you because some people have it like weekly so i used to have it a lot more as a kid or even like young adulthood but i feel like i don't have it as much

or it's just not as intense. But I will say that when I talk about it, I usually have it. Like, oh, after. Well, you're very brave. Thank you for, you're such a soldier. Yes. And so I hope I never see Hatman. But I also am like allergic to the world.

I like to joke about. I got chronic geared to carry or something. I hive up over everything. Allergic to the dog. Allergic to this microphone, allergic to you. And so I do take Benadry a lot. And so now I made this connection. I'm going to have to switch to Claritin or something.

You know what? It's funny. And this is why I know that why Benadryl hasn't really leaned into like this is their PR for obvious reasons. But just another reason to tack on is I recently was told to start, oh, these baby. Hi. What can I do for you? Can we hear a blem through the mic? A little lemmy. Okay. Dwittle baby. It's just staring at me with these pitiful eyes. Look at him over here I like his green collar You never see green collars on dogs

I know he's usually an orange kind of guy But switch to green When he got sprayed by the skunk You We have to talk about that off air Because that just happened to Hank No It was hell on wheels

It was awful Did I manifest it? It was awful It was awful We're still recovering Every time I sit in one part of the couch When I sit down The air comes up

And I get hit with skunk again. Pray that it never rains because when it rains. I was going to say he's terrified of water. So the bath that we gave him, it was like I was stabbing him in the eyes. It was like, though he couldn't have, he couldn't have had a worst day in his life. Just the bath part, not even the skunk part. I gave only like 5,000 baths.

And it's still there. Like right where was he, where was Hank's face? Like right in the ass. Oh, yeah. He was like given it the old sniff in the butt to get to know you. It was point blank range. yeah yeah it was awful it was awful that was one of the times i heard him crying and i didn't know what to do and i was like do i take him to the hospital it's like what would they do what would

they do um you like here's some tomato juice no i did find out did you find out what the secret formula is to getting rid of the smell peroxide baking soda paste yeah yeah so i did that but did you read so first it's like rinse out eyes immediately can cause blindness so i'm like with you know with the hose on his eyeballs and then it's like um use this paste but don't get them wet first put the paste on dry yeah and i'm like i just you just told me to rinse his eyes off now i've soaked in those oils i literally just took like wet paper towels and just tried to place them on his eyes which he actually let happen so it must have felt good but also it was like oil and water i must have been making it worse i don't think i was actually doing anything um but no i like

because he's scared of water so it didn't even occur to me should he be wet or dry. I just took handfuls of this like paste and just started like scrubbing it into his body. Oh, that sucks so bad. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Me either. And it happened at three in the morning. So of course it did. Until like nine in the morning I was up trying to clean everything. It was I didn't even know skunks were in California. Oh, we live next to a massive nest of skunks. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. That sucks so bad. I know. Anyway, maybe maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. boarding got it out of him maybe oh god i it was just a that was horrible that anyway we could talk about that forever thank you for your hatman story thank you well done and such a good idea that's

very spooky um i feel like i always am like referencing him i'm like oh you probably maybe you saw hatman like if i ever get like a listener story with sleep paralysis i've never actually like looked into hatman you know i've never because i always thought he was just part of like the umbrella of sleep paralysis demons. And I was like, is there enough to even talk about? But I truly had no idea that he didn't even become a thing. Eventually, like, 2001, and then really got his, had his moment. He was a TikToker, basically.

Yeah, he blew up with Charlie DeMilio. He's just an influencer. He was right there with the top. Bella Porch, Charlie DeMilio and Addison Ray and Hatman. Right there next to them. He was in, he was in Hype House, actually. Who's the, is it Addison Ray? Wasn't she like the first official TikToker or something?

thing or i i don't she was one of the big ones like whenever probably because they were musically girls i'm officially officially claiming a hatman as my first ticotker um yes so well done and very very good idea well everybody the time has come i made too much fun of christine's hair karma i don't want to say that she's she's got me got me good but you know i have maybe started noticing that my hair is thinning a little bit. And luckily, I don't have to worry about that too, too much because we have partnered with Nutrafol. Nutriful is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand, trusted by over

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but I wanted it to be a good one. Just, you know, I want to be a good host. Make sure that I don't waste your time. And so I was like, well, I'm just going to look up haunted places and see if the name Morgan even pops up. Oh, shut. up. And so jump scare because we're about to say my dead name here, but I literally found a place that was meant for us is called the Emily Morgan Hotel. What the fuck? I know. And so I was like,

it has to be the one. So we were there in a past life. Got it. Literally, like, we at least high fived in the lobby. So the Emily Morgan Hotel is near the Alamo in San Antonio, Texas. In fact, it's literally across the street from the Alamo, so it calls itself Alamo's official hotel. Oh, very bold. I know. Like, well, I guess no one's competing for that. So, sure. So right off the bat, it's likely to be haunted because it's so close to where, I think it was 600 soldiers that died there. But on top of that, before it was a hotel, it was a hospital. Of course. And it, of course, yeah. What could be worse, except like a cemetery? So it was built... Asylum.

I think that's the worst one. Yeah. Or prison. All of them. Or prison. Yeah. Back in the day. Those were crazy.

Are you Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? Or Philly, Pennsylvania? Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh? Okay, never mind. I was going to say, I was just in Philly and I went to Eastern State and did a tour there. You recovered that one? I was like episode like eight or something.

It was a long time ago. It was pretty crazy. Have you been there? Mm-mm. It was super creepy. I've been to the, I've been to the, trans aligani lunatic how was that?

Terrifying. They do this haunted house situation. Like, I don't know if they still do it, but they did when I was in high school and they like take you through first of like an actual like ghost tour. And then they do like the theatrics like the Hollywood theatrics of the rest of the place. And you got in a coffee.

And you rode the coffin down in a, huh, on a roller coaster. Girl, that's not true. It was like a little, little trail track that you're on. Are you, you're a horizontal in a roller coaster in a coffin? In a coffin. And they like, they like, stop you halfway through and, like, open. And they're like, ah, like in your face. It was, I have to do it.

The scariest haunted house I've ever been to in my life. I, that is new. That's certainly an original take on a jump scare. Because usually you're just walking around. But I mean, get in a coffin and also we're going to scream at you. And they should have tied our hands down because I bet people are like, you know, like immediately because they're like right there in your face. That's, um, it's sweet.

Wait, I'm sorry. So you're in a coffin and they literally close the door. So you're also just in a box. Yes. And now it's only like 30 seconds and it's like really like slow, you know, but like you are on like some sort of roller coaster track, I guess. But someone has like a specific fear of like being buried alive or something. that actually must be really common like in the that area wheeling or wherever that is west virginia

ohio area because there was another haunted house like nearby that we went to and it was put on by the fire department and it was like supposed to be like one of the craziest scary top 10 you know haunted houses in the country and they also did the coffin thing but you got the hell's going on it was like a bigger coffin and you went in there with a it was like a duo coffin and you went in there with a partner and it like I like that you at least get to, like, not be alone. Oh, props him forward. Yeah, it, like, acts like it's going to suffocate you, and then it, like, that lifts up, and you, like, fall forward.

I don't know what is in the haunted houses in that area, but. That's crazy. I've never, I guess I really haven't been to any actual scary jump scare attractions if people are just choosing to get in coffins. Yeah. Those were always terrifying, and I was always, like, you know, too cool, because I would go with my now husband, Aaron, because. we were dating in high school you know i always like i'm not scared like this doesn't scare me and

i'd be like the loud mouth like of the group like to the uh actors and i'd be like you're not even scary i'd be like i'm gonna put my what an asshole like trying to be so tough i a lot of times i'll point to alison and i'm like get her because she's the one that gets more scared um but then i realize it's actually a great tool in case i really do get scared it makes it look like i'm trying to give her the better experience while they leave me alone um Thank you for telling me about that, so I never go. Yes. Well, I would be the one with that red thing at Hollywood Horror Nights.

Oh, the necklaces, the blue necklaces. The immunity necklaces. For people who don't know it at a universal, they offer out blue necklaces that glow all night as a signal to the scare actors to not approach you because either you're too scary to them. They're overwhelmed. Maybe they are, they get oversimulated quickly. and a lot of people just buy them because they're like, don't fucking come near me.

I get it. I would probably be wearing that. Speaking of wearing red things, I wanted to let you know, I did wear the shorty shirt for you today. I saw it. I saw it. I should have got mine. That's okay.

I saw it in the clean laundry and I went, well, that's, I'm going to put it on. I love it. Okay. Anyway, sorry, we were at the Emily Morgan Hotel. It was originally a hospital. And it was built in 1924. At the time, it was one of the best medical facilities

west of the Mississippi, although when we're talking about the 1920s, how advanced can it be? Given, you know, a hundred years later. And at 13 stories high, or 205 feet tall, it was also the tallest skyscraper in the west. So it was tallest skyscraper and the most advanced medical facility. Wow. The hospital was called the Medical Arts Building, and it could hold over 100 doctor's offices. And these doctors' offices could be doctors, dentists, virgins, lobotomists, mental health people, again, the 1920s, I don't really know what they

were up to, but it's actually a huge facility for it not to be an asylum and instead to be a hospital, you know, because I feel like it was the asylums that were very large then. I feel like that's a great point. I feel like if they only focus on mental health, it would have been an asylum. But this place was mainly a true doctor's surgery. it was definitely more towards like physically I don't know

physical recovery the facility also had a crematorium of course and in the basement they had a morgue woohoo I hate when there are buildings like this that exist and someone goes you know we should turn this into

a place where everyone goes to sleep that's like yeah worst idea you know at my job we used to have to check the morgue on the weekends sorry what are you talking about

So we don't do it anymore. It's a different department. But when I first started, if you, we were like so many weekends off, so many weekends on. But if it was your weekend of work, you would have to go to the morgue and check the temperatures. So you would have to walk down at like five in the morning. Actually, we started five. Yes, five in the morning.

And you would go into the morgue and then you would open up all, I think there was only like four or five in our hospital. But to make sure, like to do one, a body count, if there were. or any into two check temperatures what was your job i still worked there um what is in the laboratory a laboratory assistant okay that makes sense i did not totally know it was going on there i was like so you still do this do you still have to check the morgue sometimes we do not anymore you said you said that i just got excited when did you stop i don't know i mean it probably they had been doing it forever but maybe like six months after i started but i would have to do it and

I was always scared half to death. That's wild to me. You are braver than I. I mean, I've been in morgues, but never to like literally have to check bodies, count bodies. Yeah, and then write it on a little tally sheet. That's very cool. Did you like it or were you like, I don't know. No, I dreaded it.

I didn't like going in there in the mornings all alone. You know what hospital on the weekend is like a liminal space? It's like backroom vibe. It's like half the lights are on down there and like, are on that floor and just not, it's empty. Yeah. Um,

how many morgues have I been in? The last one, Eva can attest it was very creepy, but it was also abandoned. So it was kind of expected to be a liminal space. But I, I guess a morgue is particularly creepy because even when it's active, it's still surgical,

which feels like a liminal space. So no matter what it's uncomfortable. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Don't like it. Not a fan. Well, this place had one in the basement.

Um, and here's a creepy rumor. Apparently, the now hotel has a pool. And apparently the pool is allegedly built out of the old hospitals operating tables. What? Upcycling. We love that. How? So apparently it's stainless steel.

And so the rumor is that they just flattened out all the beds and just turned it into like part of the pool. I hate that if that is true. I don't like that. If it's true, we don't know. I mean, I'd love for the environment. Woo-hoo, yeah, reuse materials. But it's, and how innovative, if it's true. I honestly very much doubt it's true.

I think it's just a rumor to like perpetuate how haunted and creepy this place is. For sure. And it used to be a hospital. I'm sure you can look at any stainless steel and go, that used to be operating equipment. But, yeah, if it's true, the last thing I want to do is weight in water that's touching that. Because I feel like the energy is still on it, you know? oh yeah no i wouldn't like that that is like that's the kind of pool where you definitely feel like you're going to see a great white shark but like instead it's like someone grabbing your ankles

you know it's like if you get go underwater you like there's like a full human body just staring at you yeah i just feel like there's like hands coming from it it's just like waiting to grab and i don't like that at all something horrific um what was the other fun fact i had for you oh when the architects were building this place as a hospital right that was what it originally was When the architects were designing it, they put in gargoyles all around the front of the building because it was supposed to be this gothic-style hospital. So they put in these gargoyles. Technically, they're grotesques.

Do you know the difference between gargoyles and grotesques? Okay. They look the same, but fun fact, grotesques are purely decorative. And gargoyles actually have a purpose, which is that the way that they are always rounded and facing outwards, they're actually a functional use to keep rain from fall. falling towards the center of the building. So it keeps you from getting hit with a bunch of rain. Although they are basically like a, like a, it's like a rain spout or something.

Oh, okay. So this one, though, it had the grotesque. They were technically grotesque. They were purely decorative. But they designed them to make each of the gargoyles look like they had a different medical ailment since it was a hospital. So it's like a gargoyle like with a toothache and a gargoyle with like its eye poked out and a gargoyle with like a tummy ache and a gargoyle with a headache.

I was like, this is very cute. I kind of love that. I do too, especially in the 20s. I was like, I love to know, I've said this before to Christine and on the show, but when you see old-timey pictures, like, they were just posing. Like, you never really see, like, how fun they could have been back then. It's nice to know in the 20s people had a sense of humor. Yeah, a little creativity.

I know. It's like, well, if I have to make another fucking gargoyle, at least let this one look as miserable as I do, you know? Yes. So anyway, it was a hospital until the 70s, and then the hospital closed. It was converted into office space. And in the 80s, it was remodeled into a hotel and renamed the Emily Morgan Hotel.

So for the name, Emily Morgan, in 1835, there was a girl named Emily West. And she was an indentured servant to Colonel James Morgan. And I guess at the time, it was common that while you were indentured to somebody, you would take their last name. Yuck. But they were known as Emily Morgan. Okay. Look at us. Look at us.

And while working for him, Colonel Morgan's staff was captured by the Mexican troops during a raid on his home. So she got, she got captured. And while captured, this is when the Texans attacked the Mexican army and was able to defeat them in 18 minutes and it gave them independence from Mexico. But it said that they were able to win this battle in 18 minutes. they were able to win it so effectively and so quickly because the Mexican Army's general was preoccupied during this battle and unable to help

because he was found in the tent with Emily Morgan you have to hope whatever was going on was consensual we have no record but in a very twisted way whatever was going on kept him from being able to help his troops and it ended up giving Texas their independence. It sounded like Texas

sent Emily Morgan you know that's 10 that's the story I would like to tell myself that they she was actually on the inside all the time that was totally her her mission so let's hope regardless because he was distracted it allowed texas to win independence so they stuck with that as the name for the hotel um so in 1984 it was built it has since then been deemed an historic hotel of america and in 2012 it was bought by double tree which if you have ever been a double tree, you know that when you check in, they give you cookies. So therefore it is my favorite hotel. And that's all the... What is it?

Double tree by Hilton. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I'll never forget. One time we were in South Carolina and my mother was so... There's something... She does not complain often. She is not a Karen.

But there's something going on in our room and she went down and she was like, I am not a happy Hilton camper. and we got a new room I think there's some I don't know what was wrong with it but we always joke and say that phrase I'm not a happy Hilton camper yeah

ghosts let's see oh yeah here's all the haunts of this hotel oh I can't wait the Emily Morgan Hotel has been listed in 24's top 25 most haunted hotels and USA Today even called

it the third most haunted hotel in the world wow and somehow i've never covered this and yet it has both of our names i mean it was just very kismid i think um many websites told me that the seventh ninth 12th and 14th floors are the most haunted but it seems like every fucking floor is haunted so if you want to follow that great i don't care to 13th floor there is no 13th floor okay have you heard of like some companies like refused to put in a 13th floor because it's unlucky. Yes, but did you just say 7th, 9th, 10th, and 13th?

Sorry, 7th, 12th, 14th. 12th, you probably said that. I was probably just hoping you were going to say 13th, so I just assumed. Well, I mean, the 14th is technically the 13th, and it is incredibly haunted, so we can leave it there. And actually, fun fact, a lot of people who go to the 14th floor, did you ever hear the horror movie 1408? No. So I think it was a Stephen King book originally and it became a movie. I only ever saw the movie

but it's about this guy going into a hotel room 1408 and it's said to be incredibly haunted and it is spoiler alert and one of the reasons that 14-08 is super creepy is because if you add it all up it makes 13 1-4-8 1-8-1-3-13 yeah

yeah sorry and so anyway that's that's one of the reasons that it's super haunted but also it's known because of that book and movie to be haunted So a lot of people have gone to the 14th floor to find 1408 and they don't have a room 14th. Well, what is the origin of the 13th floor?

Is that the hotel game or the elevator game? No, well, I actually, not to shoot my own horn, we did a number 13 episode a long time ago. I actually think it was a Halloween episode. I don't remember all of the origins, but there's still a lot of superstition around that stuff. So like a lot of skyscrapers don't have a 13th floor. Planes don't have a 13th row,

if you ever notice when you go on a plane. I don't have a 13th row. I don't think any of them have a 13th row. It's just little things like that where it's just still kind of part of the culture, which is weird. That is so, that's so strange. Yeah, especially because a lot of people actually think 13 is a lucky number. Right. Anyway.

Yeah. Huh. Huh. So. Every day's a school day. Put that on a goddamn shirt. That's brilliant. It's beautiful.

Most of the ghosts here seem to be from the hospital day. a lot of times people will smell aniseptic, like hospital smell, especially on the 14th floor slash 13th floor. Some will actually say that the whole floor still smells like a hospital, whether or not you're looking for a ghost. If you go up there, you still get a whiff of like Band-Aids. Ew. I know.

Of all things. So one website actually did call it Band-Aid smell, and I was like, that's so specific. It is so specific. It's weird. people see a woman crying in the hallways others see a woman in either a nurse's uniform or a hospital gown walking down the hall in white so well done because she is called the woman in white and i swear to god it's almost like a scavenger hunt trying to find a hotel these days that doesn't have a woman in white i know i know she's there i love a woman in white you know what they do be haunting they really do if they're all in their own little fucking book club or something like which one do you haunt like or do they each have like like I wonder if there's ever any overlap is there a woman in white that haunts the whole Florida territory and do we ever hear the woman in orange the woman in green no we do

I have I have a woman in red and the woman in black yeah it's really those three colors and that's it interesting I would say it goes white red black I think I would if I were to haunt I would probably be the woman in green all of them couldn't love white that much like i wonder if why it's just easier to appear as because someone's got to be different i'm glad you would be green i think i would be well going with just a solid color i'd say purple but we all know i'd want to be the ghost and tie-dye yeah the glow in the dark you kidding me shut up glow in the dark that would be awesome I also think though too because like back then especially nurses uniforms they were white night gowns they were usually white um other famous ghosts are usually brides or night before a wedding in a white gown so I feel like that also could be why it's true I guess a lot of things were just kind of plain linen and it was but that also makes me wonder about the whole um cultural background of why to why you wear white at a wedding because it's supposed to be pure it's like aren't you always wearing fucking white seems like you're you've always been in white maybe finally wear a nice color on your

wedding anyway yeah true i don't know call me crazy don't make me second guess my wedding dress she had a green one anyway in my head all night the woman of white is there you nailed that i didn't even write woman in white so i was trying to avoid having to say it but you were exactly right woman my favorite phrase she's always there whether or not you want to wonder to be um in the area where the crematorium was people apparently smell burning flesh i hate that do you have any spooky things i should have asked about being in your morgue at work if you had anything creepy happen there no i mean nothing in the morgue i do remember one of my co-workers telling me that like this creepy story like the pathologist like walking down the hallway

and hearing like footsteps behind so like that was always in the back of my head but like i don't think that that was actually true i think they're just trying to scare us all But in the weekends, I do work in one department. I'm not going to name names just for, because I always feel so unsafe there on the weekends. But it's like combined with two other departments, like all one room, but I only use like one room out of it. So the rest of it on a Saturday, they're not open. So it's all dark, right? The lights are off.

Do you remember that trend like maybe a couple years ago now where you would take pictures? and it would like scan it on tic-tok it was like a tic-tok filter yeah you know and it would scan it and it would be like a figure there like a show an outline of a person and so i did that around there i got a bunch of shit right and then that same day i was in the bathroom and the paper towels are like the motion sensor you know okay the LED and i'm just sitting on the toilet and i hear and it's just like it and it won't stop it wasn't stopping and so I got up and I like put my hand over it and it stopped but that's really it I don't really feel like bad vibes in the hospital per se I don't think it's old enough

of a hospital to sure you know it's probably only 10 15 years old yeah hospital can't in my mind it can't be haunted until it's like at least 40 years 40 yeah yeah something like that um I I who knows if that's true but in my brain I'm like oh 30 year old hospital whatever um anyway here's a horrible quote for you guests have reported opening the doors to the hallways only to find a scene from a hospital waiting right inside so they look out their own door into the hallway and they see staff like they like time slip into when it was a hospital that's crazy when they close their door and open it again they see their normal hallway as if nothing ever happened in the bedrooms the radio clocks will switch through different

radio stations and then randomly stop once you mention the radio switching stations. There was one guy who actually called the front desk to be like, the radio won't stop moving and then it stopped and was playing some creepy-ass music, I'm sure. You'll hear someone running past. It's kind of like an EMF reader, right? Isn't that what they, or the sound boxes that scan through. Spirit boxes that scan through. Actually, it's like, it's kind of funny.

It sounds like the ghost was trying to make its own spirit box and be like, I'll fucking do it since you're not going to um you'll hear people running past your room uh but there's no one ever in the hallway when you check there was actually one guy who wrote in his personal experience saying that he kept hearing someone run by the door run by the door run by the door and he would open the door nobody was there he closed the door and hear it again hear it again he would open the door and eventually every time he would open the door to look out the hall everyone else was also opening their door and looking out the hall because they were all hearing the same thing as if it was happening right at their door.

Ooh, I hate that too. I hate that. I would be up and out of there so quick. I couldn't say the night. Yeah, why? I'll tell you, as Eva could attest to, we were at the Queen Mary for like four hours and fucking left. Because as soon as it got weird in there,

I was like, this is not worth it. It's time to go. Yeah. Taylor and I, Ghost haunted one hotel out in San Diego. And we purposely booked a room at a Marriott. that's so smart just to not say where we just goes hunted at so smart yes um terrifying people feel something brushing up against them in their rooms sometimes even feel someone sitting on the bed with them they have felt people crawling up next to them uh probably my least

favorite story here is that one woman woke up to the sounds of humming in the middle of the night and saw a little girl sitting on her bed humming turned to her and then ask if she would like to sing with her. And then somehow this woman stayed there, went back to sleep, and then stayed another night. And the following night, knowing that something had just happened in the previous night, she gets into bed and feels something crawl into bed with her and lean up against her, like they're spooning. So she's like, sure, honey, but tomorrow. Yeah, me, me, me, me, me, me, yeah, I would be, I'd be singing, like, what would I sing? Get out, leave right now. I don't know, something that says, I'm singing.

This is the light of mine. I'd just be singing like a, like a Christian hymn or something. I believe it Jesus has me. So apparitions are seen in reflections of the mirrors at all times, all sorts of times. Objects will move or completely go missing. One time a guest watched a wine bottle slide off the table. Someone also heard, and I'm assuming also saw this at some point, the toilet seat in their bathroom slamming up and down, up and down, up and down, up and down

in the bathroom. Germs. I hate that. My thought is like, now what if I have to drop trow and sit on that toilet, that's obviously capable of moving around. And then you're now going like. It's like a ride. You're on a ride.

Yeah. Wait, no, I was thinking of the germs is just splashing around the air. That's disgusting. That's a great point. Housekeepers will clean a room and then when they turn around, they'll see that the bedding toss itself onto the floor. I'd be so pissed. I would be like, I need double tips at this point.

Yeah. Lights will turn on and off by themselves. Doors will open and close by themselves. The thermostat will play tricks on guests. Shadows will dart by all over the hotel. And electronics will malfunction and only work again once the ghosts have acknowledged them. So an example of that is one time someone was trying to plug in, I'm assuming their phone or something. And it wouldn't work until they mentioned the ghost, all of a sudden they're

phone started charging. So it's like it wants attention in some way. Another time a guest had their own electronics malfunctioning and then saw a dark shadow float through their room and into the wall. People will see impressions on the bed like someone is sitting there and they'll feel someone touch their shoulders and their hair. And one guest even reported feeling something grab its legs and try to yank him off the bed. No. You can touch the toilet seat all you want. Don't fucking touch me. Don't and not my legs. That's like our biggest. his fear as children is a little foot hanging out of the covers and getting drug out of the bed you know what i hate more than the thought of my foot getting yanked out from under the bed though

is a little tickle on the bottom of my foot that would rock my shit that would no that's disgusting i hate that every time every time my foot is ticking out from the bed i never think about it getting yanked i always think about someone going over it and i hate it i hate it yeah i don't like feet tickles either all he gets like he'll start digging at the covers he has to get up under the covers and sleep underneath of course and then in the middle of the night he gets up and he walks and goes off the bed but when he walks he takes all the covers with him so then for like a split second we're exposed in the middle the night it is terrifying and i always think of that that someone's going to yank me out before he walks away with it do you grab it last minute your toes grab it no i mean i try to grab like i'll usually

wake up for my sleep or maybe I just do it like subconsciously now to where I can like try to hold it up sure but it's always all fucked up so our feet are always hanging off the bed exposed and I hate that I hate that I'm telling you tonight tonight you're going to think about just a little tickle it's going to suck right it's going to well hat man's in the corner he's going to be like here I come he's got those fidgety fingers they need something to do he's going to take off his hat with a feather on it and be like he's like he's Yankee doodle? I was just thinking

it's the door might have a feather. I don't know. It's a dicklema of you with that. It's fucking terrifying. I love that the Emily Morgan Hotel has shadow people, which as we know now are actually his minions.

Yeah, I'm saying. I'm saying. That's great. People also swear that they'll hear screaming or growling at night. There was actually a really awful story about this couple going into the hotel room and like in the middle of the afternoon

only one of them in the room heard like really horrible growling and the other one didn't hear anything at all let me see I love that there there is a rumor I actually don't know if there's a rumor this might be true but I only saw it on a few sites and I feel like it should have been it was burying the lead if this is true but in room 810 apparently a woman named elvira was stabbed to death in this room and I guess people think think that maybe she's one of the ghosts that haunts this place people will hear a woman screaming so maybe that's associated with her um one guest actually said i don't know if this is about elvira or just another woman that's a spirit there but one ghost not one ghost one guest uh he had to go to a formal

event in the in town and he i guess was feeling himself and he looked really sharp and he asked the spirits like if a lady would like to accompany him because he was going stag and he was like oh if anyone wants to go as my date um my arm he here's my arm yeah he's my arm He was later quoted saying, when I collected the photos for that evening, every single picture of me, whether taken on my camera or not, had a round luminous orb either by my heart in the hook of my arm or at my hand. It even seemed to shrink in size and retreat to my arm when I was embracing or near another woman for the photos taken.

Did he post them? You know, that's a great. Pixar didn't happen. Pixar didn't happen. I agree. But that is weird that they're like, you know, everywhere. but Pixar didn't happen. I also love that she was like a platonic respectful date of like,

oh, you have to go hug another woman. Let me back off for a second. Let me back off. That's very nice. One thing in the hotel that every site seemed to mention was that the faucets go crazy. They have a total amount of their own. Sometimes all of them in one room will turn on at once and they'll only turn off once the guests call the front desk for help.

They'll literally call the front desk and say, I'm scared and then all of them will turn off by themselves. Talk about flood zone. Hey, that's... Oh, sorry, I was like, what? I was waiting for the well. One guest went out for the night, and when she came back, apparently her entire bath had been drawn. Like, it was, like, all the way to the top.

Her bath was totally filled. Which, like, wasn't coming over? That's kind of nice. That's very nice. And I feel like, first of all, the water bill at this hotel must be crazy. Like, half of it is just goes. But I can't tell if the ghost is trying to be nice or ominous of like, I've drawn you a bath.

It's like, now I have to get naked in front of you. I don't know about this. Yeah. But here's. The really, this hotel is filled with picmies. Let's be so for real. They're like, sorry, we're not turning off the water until you call the front desk. Here's your bath, but you better say thank you or else I'm going to overfill it.

Also, your radio is not going to stop until you make note of it and pay attention to me. It's very pick me oriented, which begs me to think. maybe Emily Morgan was a little pick-me. You know, there's, you made a, that's a great point. I hadn't even thought about how desperate a lot of these ghosts are for attention. Like a, like the slamming of the toilet. Like, what are you doing that for except for my attention? Pay attention to me.

Like, that's crazy. I want attention. Like, they're throwing temper tantrums, literally. And you're totally right that it is almost nice of the ghost. So, like, if you're going to fuck with the faucets, at least you don't flood the place, because that's a real financial crisis. So, like, they respect the area, but they just want attention. For attention, yeah.

Well, this one girl who left for a while and then came back and found her bathtub filled, she even said, not only was the bathwater run, but it was completely blue. The water was blue. It was so blue that you would actually have to dye this water to be this color. So, like, what the hell is that about? That's weird. Yeah, like, what potion is in this? I don't know.

What's that called methamethylene? blue meth what am i a chemist what are you talking about no i feel like it's used in hospitals again i would not know i know about blue raspberry syrup that's blue currissoe methyline blue hospitalies let me let me just look it up because that would be interesting right you're talking like a real lab assistant but yeah that would be interesting if something hospital themed was going on here okay methanol in blue brand name

okay no we're not doing brand names okay is used in hospitals for its primary purpose of treating the rare blood disorder methamogloobinemia you nailed it

methamoglobinemia methamoglobinemia which is when the blood is unable to carry and release oxygen effectively to the body is it blue I'm pretty sure it is

hold on blue liquid in hospitals 1920s. Oh, you must be right. A prominent blue liquid in hospitals was methylene blue, which was used for a blood disorder called whatever you just said. So yeah.

So what if... So maybe it was that? It was discovered in 1876 and used throughout the early 20th century. So yeah, it could have been that. The fact with the hospital, right? So maybe. Because what else would turn that blue, right?

That's weird. I like how we're like it couldn't be anything but this when realistically it's like it shouldn't be happening it is used to treat this rare blood disorder and you know maybe the ghost was in helping hand and that person in that room had this blood disorder unknowingly undiagnosed and they're like a dog that can smell when you're going to pass out here's some methyling blue bath water to heal you so get in it you're welcome pay attention to me you need this girl you need this yeah yeah what if i don't know brilliant you're so smart i just knew a dyed blue and there's i don't know we'll see one day we'll find out i don't know why a sample wasn't taken i would hope at least like a cup was because it

could just be fucking like mouthwash or something like i don't know but um you're right you're right or like the pawn die like how they get a hold of that how they get a hell i don't know i don't know anything at this point but i i do know if there if i were in a situation where liquid was abnormally conjured in front of me I'm keeping a sample of it I'm like what the fuck is this

well I'm here for research purposes two last things is not only do the faucets have a mind of their own the phones have a mind of their own they will make calls to the front desk

and nobody's on the other end or the rooms will get called by the front desk and nobody's on the other end so either way you never know if someone's even on the line I'd be so mad especially in the middle of the night

Like, leave me alone. One night, a guest kept hearing chains clanking in her room. I don't even know what that would before. And she called the front desk being like, this is fucking crazy. And this is a quote. She phoned the front desk and the woman working there promised her a full refund if the problems continued. The following morning, the guest mentioned the conversation to the new desk clerk who told her a woman had not been working the previous night. Shut up.

so theoretically a ghost was like you'll get a full refund which like that implies that the ghost is aware of the hotel because you don't get a full refund at a hospital i'll tell you that right yeah no right but also tracks with our pick me situation here like i'm going to rattle these chains until you use my phone line my tech because i'm tech savvy and then i pick it up and i'm like sure you will be established a refund in the morning just let us know at the front desk so eerie i wonder if the voice sounded odd or like, where they're like scratches on the line, like, how eerie it was. Yeah, I hate that. And then the last thing to have a mind of its own are the elevators. This is probably the most common haunting in this hotel, but they will go to every floor

but yours. Sometimes the elevators will just take off on their own without a button even being pressed and you'll just see the elevator going up or going down. Guests who have mentioned while in the elevator that it felt creepy, they will get locked in or brought to other floors, which I love how petty this ghost is. It's like, oh, you want creepy? okay you don't have to go to your room then okay 14th floor here you go well funny you mention that because the front desk will get phone calls from the elevator

like the emergency phone in there um as if somebody's calling for help nobody's inside and a lot of times uh people have pressed whatever button they're supposed to go to on the elevator and it will take them down all the way to the now not uh like a like a restricted access it will take them all the way down to the basement that used to be the more morgue, open its doors to the morgue, and then refuse to move, even when you press the door close or a different button to leave. It'll just keep you there. That's horrible. Have you ever been stuck in an elevator? No. And that, I don't, even if it was, even if it wasn't taking me to a morgue, I think that would scare me more to be just locked in an elevator. Because you never

know if it's going to drop. Yes. I was a child at a cheer competition or something. Me and my little friends were going down to the pool and we were in Philadelphia. I don't know. what hotel it was. Or maybe Hershey, Pennsylvania, somewhere, somewhere not Pittsburgh. And we were going down the floor, but the elevator doors didn't close all the way. So they were like, it was just like this tiny little crack like this. And it got stuck. Like it went down one floor and then it got stuck on the next floor, but you could only see like this much of the floor from the top. We were calling that we didn't have cell phones, you know, we were children, calling the emergency line nobody is answering us nobody is picking up the emergency we're screaming finally some

stranger walks by and he sees three little girls and like through the crack down at the ground and the elevator stuck we're like we're all crying hyperventilating for you know and he was like um okay let me go the front desk front desk comes up and now somehow because we ran into somebody that knew somebody that knew somebody our parents are now there and then my mom really was a karen she was like Three little girls. She was the cheer coach also. So she was like, three little girls, stock in an elevator. And your emergency line doesn't even work.

They're like, sorry, we didn't know. We were in there for probably 35, 40 minutes. I'd be terrified. I'm sure there's like actual fail safes where like the elevator won't just drop anymore. But you never know. Like it doesn't fully just stop working and it just cuts the cable. Do we have a nice little cushiony pad at the bottom? Or are we just straight to the cement, you know?

Hate that. couldn't imagine if that happened to me into a morgue though no and then what if you what if the doors opened up and it like time lapsed into the hospital and so you see people like traying bodies morgan i you weren't going that far i would be i would have to check into the hospital on the mental health floor because i'd be like it's i'm fucking losing it this is crazy take me to see your behavioral please um i i really can't imagine it's one thing to be on an elevator with like that maybe you could claim like, oh, it just needs to be updated and it's taking us to different floors because the machine's faulty or something. But how fucking creepy that like, oh, it'll take you all the way to exactly where the one floor it's not supposed to let people to and it won't budge.

Like, I wonder someone must have been stuck in the elevator with the door open just showing you an empty, dark fucking hallway into a morgue. How long did you have to stand there until it went, okay, jokes over and close the doors and brought you to your room? or did the people actually get off the elevator and that's where the elevator closed and left them there. And they went emergency stairs up. Yeah, it's only one of the two situations that happened. I hate both.

Me too. I hate both. The last fun fact I have for you is that the Emily Morgan Hotel has, in the past, leaned into the spookiness and they would sell packages to their rooms. One of the packages was called the Haunted Dinner Tour where you would actually have like a three-course meal and then it would take you on a ghost tour throughout the city

and you would end up out in a cult shop. And then there was another package called A Room with a Boo instead of a Room with a View. And apparently... Eva, did you name that? It does feel very paranoid. But apparently you would get like blueberry booberry pancakes the next morning compliment.

Okay, that's kind of cute. So we should do it is what you're saying? We should, except apparently there was one comment I saw on Reddit of a guy that used to work there and he said that when it became a double tree hotel they like made them kind of stay clear of like it leaning into the spookiness anymore

that they only did that as the official Emily Morgan Hotel. Check in. Cookies, no ghosts. Anyway, that's the Emily Morgan Hotel. Okay, so then goal one is to get enough money to get enough money to buy

the hotel. Okay, Eva, that's your new project. Eva, this is what your goals are set for 2026 help us um with a we're going to do a fundraiser and it's gonna oh she says on it right perfect how did you see that oh she texted us it just popped up on my laptop oh i i put it on you not disturb we need it often um when christian and i are confused about something and thank god ev is always there to just like give us the answer because we we sell like dummies sometimes um well thank you em i loved that oh i loved it also i thank you for

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