And That's Why We Drink - E456 Town Hall Friends and Costume Condom-gate

Episode Date: November 2, 2025

Happy 456 synchronicity/angel number episode! Since it is forever spooky season in our hearts we’ve got a few more Halloween related stories today. First Em brings us to Nebraska for the terrifying Seven Sisters Road and it’s haunted hijinks. Then Christine covers the unfortunate murder of Chelsea Bruck which leaves us saying words we’ve never said before. And if you’ve got questions that no one’s ever asked before, don’t fret because Detective Schiefer is on the case! …and that’s why we drink! Catch our bonus Yappy Hour intermissions on Apple Podcasts https://apple.co/3L28lDw or subscribe on Patreon: http://patreon.com/ATWWDPodcast!___________________Visit http://cornbreadhemp.com/drink and use code DRINK at checkout for 30% off your first order! Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code DRINK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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kentucky um's jealous but i'm not because i'm so jealous feeling feeling kind of depressing but you know what I'm smiling my way through it as most people with depression do in their daily who mask on a daily basis and need to perform yeah you guys get it um how are you m speaking of trying to perform a i don't know a different uh outlook for for for life i don't know um i'm a little stressed. I mean, I really shouldn't. I'm just, I'm aware of how much money I've spent recently. Oh, I'm not aware of how much money. It's not going to be a nice feeling. It's a breathtaking amount. It's just the, I've been traveling a lot, doing a lot of like, weirdly, even though I'm on the West Coast, I've been doing, like, quote, day trips places.

And I'm just, I'm learning a lesson that you and many before me have learned, which is the price of boarding my dog. My dog. I can't. Oh, the dog. You didn't breathe. It sounded like you were going to cry. And you were like, no, I'm actually having a heart episode. No, I just got my Thanksgiving tickets to Seattle, like right before we started recording. And I was like, oh, I should look at the price for boarding.

Oh, Thanksgiving. Oh, right. And they have to board. Oh, my God. There was also, like, surge pricing. I was like, I shouldn't have done that right before. I was supposed to have a good day. So that and then I'm thinking about, like, the stress of.

traveling with a big dog across the country for Christmas and what are you going to bring him you're bringing him I think I have to um yay and it's just everything's just double the price now yeah it's just um yeah the whole mental uh stress of like putting him under in cargo is I mean oh no yeah don't do that no that's the only option for him I know so don't do that there's it's it's either that or bored him for a month, which the, it's, there's no other, there's really nothing else I can do. So that alone is stressing me the fuck out. Yeah, I one time saw our dog, whatever, our parents put the dog in cargo and then we went and picked it up at the other end of the trip.

And it was like the most traumatizing thing as an 11 year old. I was so fucking upset. And I think I just probably have some personal, uh, wounds about. that no yeah that's a fair i mean i have been obviously i've been doing a lot of research on it and there are it's there's a fair amount of people who agree with you there are other people who work in the airlines are like oh it's totally fine i'm like i don't know i feel like you you go down in there go down in there with them i know i wish not you not you not you i mean the people who are not you i'm like i literally go die in the cargo i don't want anyone to die in the cargo i just mean

like oh yeah it's so nice down there you guys and you go down there everybody i i do think it's curious, I am finding very few videos of anyone giving me a tour of what it looks like down there. And I'm sure it's because... You mean a dog didn't wear a GoPro and do like a little tour? You would think someone would be like to ease your stress, this is what it looks like down there. This is the situation that they're set up in. And I'm like, the fact that I can't find that, I'm sure it's like, there's both, there's reasons on both sides. But I'm like, I would like to know what's happening here. But there's, he's too big and he's too, um, he's too hyperactive. he's not he doesn't understand if he sees people he assumes he's at dog park he'll just be

lunging on everyone there's no calmly sitting yeah well and you're not really supposed to put them under or give them any sedatives because they're supposed to be able to keep their balance I don't know it just seems like traumatizing I agree although I will say I have tested his trousadone and he is very good on it um but so you just like push him over like hey like pretend we're on an airplane I prove you can stand up well yesterday I took him I gave him a lot of Trasadone and took him to the vexia to get his vaccines

and he had to sit in the front seat there was a lot of stuff in the backseat and he did balance all the way there so I was like okay great let's keep moving okay well I don't know man if you do that you better put him undercover and get like at least like a tell all of what goes on down there if he sees any other dogs if there's any

if there's a way to be that way about it I would love to I don't know I really, I'm telling you, what does AP say? What does Al Pal say? Does she say drive him across the country? Because that's what I would do like in that job. No, my mom suggested that. I don't want to do that. I mean, I could, I guess, but that, I don't know. I honestly, I'm figured it out because that is something I've considered, but that's just as expensive, but eight times as long. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do yet. So I'm stressing about it. But I am aware of the very solid reasons. why it's people don't like putting their dog in a cargo i'm like not blind to that at all so anyway i'm stressing about that no matter which option i pick it will be expensive um it i do think it wouldn't

be the worst idea to do a road trip with him and then like just like record along the way in a hotel yeah in the whole in that pet friendly hotels that's what we did we found all these random ass pet friendly hotels that was also during covid so we didn't have many options but right right yeah i don't know what i'm going to do um but it is stressful This is one of those things where, like, you just got to figure it out. So, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

The end. That's why I'm stressed this week. I get it, man. Pets are very, they're emotional labor and physical labor, financial labor. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah. And I know you've been through this forever, but I am finally catching up with understanding. Listen, a lot of people are also going through it for the first time and or are like,

okay, got it. Maybe I won't get involved with the dog that I saw on Instagram, you know? So maybe it's for a good cause. You know, maybe someone out there will be like, maybe not. Yeah. I don't know. Why do you drink? Why do I drink?

Because I don't, why do I drink? I don't know. I had a good reason. I think it's just because I had prepared this episode as Halloween. Like, remember in my head? I was all confused. Well, that's why I kept this up just in case you wanted to have a Halloween moment. Oh, thank you.

So I do have a Halloween moment this week that I like somehow skipped. It's just stupid anyway. So my story is a Halloween story this week. So we're getting a little extra Halloween, even though this comes out on November 2nd. And I'm going to be grumpy toad tomorrow. And I went to Old Navy and bought a green sweatshirt. And I think I'm going to look awesome. You're going to look great.

That is the plan. And then Leona goes yesterday. This is why I drink. Yesterday, I was like, oh, my God, this is going to be over soon. All this, like, trading costume. She goes, how about next year? You be Cali the cat. I'll be grumpy or daddy, or whatever the hell.

I don't even know what. whoever hasn't been, and she's like, let's do it again. And she goes, finally after that year, we can do something different. And I went, okay, but like, and I want to encourage her not to feel like she has to do every, you know, like the whole pattern or whatever. Yeah. And she's like, that's what we're doing. And I was like, oh, okay, I'm just making sure, you know, we're all, whatever, that you run this ship now, you know.

She will never do another group costume after this. She's like, I put my work in. Right. It's either that or every year she'll be like, now what's another three characters we can trade for the next third of a decade. I don't know, man. I'm like, try not to it's whatever I think is going to happen. It's usually not that that happens. It's usually the opposite. At least, you know, she's all about, I said it last time, but reduced reuser cycle. It's, um, we, it's very easy. So I'll give her that. Yeah. Saved a lot of money. It's like,

we just wear sweatpants and sweatshirts. And we're like, look, you know, and cat ears. It's really easy. I have something I have to tell you that I'm dreading to tell you. Oh, why am I so excited about it. I don't know, but for me on. I forgot for a moment, and I, I knew peace in that moment, but now I have to, unfortunately, say something, stomach churning. You knew peace for a moment. Okay. I have to, I'm going to throw up. I have to defend, I have to defend a man. Um, because- What does that mean defend a man? Oh, defend a man on air right now? Or like, in court. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So, I'm getting settled in. I don't know what's happening. I'm so embarrassed.

I, like, can't believe that this is real. I... What? What happened? So, the condom costume, as we all know. We have Megan, our lovely social media manager, who is like, oh, I would love to get screenshots of the purchases. And then I remember you saying, oh, well, you should do a TikTok with these. Yeah. And so I sent one to Megan that said, like, I don't.

found of Frankenstein so that way, you know, we could use that of like, this is what I was supposed to get and this is what I got. Right, right. Like expectation versus reality. So you said, let's do a TikTok about it or I should do a TikTok about it. And so I went, great, I'm going to go get all the screenshots. And so I went to go get the screenshots. And moments before, by the way, I had sent the Frankenstein screenshot to Megan. I had, how do I put this? I bought the, second, I went my second try of getting Frankenstein. Remember I told you I was going to re-buy it in time if I, if I had time for when people come over to get candy. Yeah. I'm going to go get the Frankenstein costume and I, I, I don't know how to explain this. Let me show you my

phone. I don't have my phone. Fuck. I listen, I'm just out long for the ride. I don't know. I'm just picturing that condom costume and I'm in another world. So the bottom line is I went to go look for the screenshots and I realized that the screenshot I had sent of Frankenstein found was of the second attempt where Frankenstein was found. Oh like your

like your do-over my do-over version. And I was like that doesn't look like the most recent one because I remember I got like I also bought some clothes for the next year's Renaissance Fair because I found Renaissance pants. So I was like you found Renaissance pants. I did. I was very excited about it. And so I was

this is I it said found and it showed Frankenstein I was like oh great and I was like it doesn't say like it found any of the other items like where's the one with the renaissance pants so I went looking back and I realized oh there was a first order that should be the one it had Renaissance pants and I scroll down to get the Frankenstein picture and it said it was a condom no what which means I bought I picked it apparently what do you mean you picked it why Apparently, I must have been scrolling and just, like, tapped it, you know? Maybe you thought it was a bag of chips. Everybody else thought it was.

I would have never picked it. And obviously, anyway, I have to defend this man because I gave him so much shit last week. Oh, we were very rude to that man. I can't believe, I unfortunately have to say, I picked it apparently, my stupid fingers anyway. So you're the problem. You're the one getting the Trojan. What was it called? The XXX, X, X, L.

I don't, it was. well there's plenty of video evidence of it i'm having flashbacks here i wait did the guy like message you and say like hey i'm not that bad of a door-dash shopper or no you know he never said anything i was like is he mad at me i'm so scared of him i'm just trying to like redeem my karma here we're like we look that man apart and i went to go make that stupid tic-tok and i couldn't i was like where's the second frankenstein costume i scrolled down and saw a condom you're like here's a screenshot of the condom wait a minute which me i i must i just i don't don't know how that I know that on DoorDash for food I have clicked like bowl of soup and then all

a sudden soup shows up with my order. I literally thought you were going to say you order condoms sometimes and I was like um okay too my and so you accidentally ordered condoms from the spirit Halloween anyway I will happily send you uh for everyone to judge me I'll send a screenshot of well I know what I want I want the it's Renaissance pants and a condom I want testimony from the man, the door dachar. I want him to tell I want him to... I know, I do too, actually. I was going to say that would be hilarious and I'm like, no, wouldn't it? It would be probably upsetting. And you know what? And he's like, I was like, what the hell is this? Yeah, anyway.

And to this day, I would have, I would have hated that man unless I went to go make that stupid TikTok. I would have never known. See, look, everything works out. Anyway, I just, I felt like I needed to give a PSA. It's the, I don't know what I'm doing care. Anyway, I just felt so embarrassed that I like just ripped that person apart who did he exist somewhere. I hope, I wish in this world that I've invented in my head that

you had sent that screenshot to me, all the screenshots to Megan without even checking. And then Megan was like, um, quick hue for you. I just I truly, I just click the closest one that said found Frankenstein. I went, okay, great, that's obviously the one. And then I looked and I was like, that can't be the right one

because I got something else. And that anyway, I just, wow. And by the way, the second Frankenstein did show up and it was in the wrong size so oh well that is unfortunate you're getting closer though sort of did you return the condom or was it like too late because i know they're really strict about it was too late it is i don't even i put it and what can you do you can't be like i didn't order this because they'll be like well you did it's a goodwill oh someone will get good use of that i guess but i also brought an adult small Frankenstein costume oh okay so maybe it'll be a family you know whoever they'll just mix and match yeah anyway the the condom thing

was a stupid as a flub is my fault and then the actual frankenstein round two came that was the wrong size so now we're on round three of a costume and i got uh a doctor mad scientist coat so i could just be doctor frankenstein and i am dressing hank up as actual frankenstein yes or freakingstein the monster however oh yeah yeah yeah Frankenstein's yeah he's your monster so you got to take ownership of that. Your little monster. Frankenstein's Frankenstein's monster.

What a babe. My apology to everyone, but I'm glad we all got a laugh out of it. But just to know that I was sitting in that costume and it was 100% my fault the whole time is so embarrassing. It's actually much better for me and my mental health that it was all your fault. It makes it. I'm so embarrassed. Anyway, the end.

That was my pre-Hlloween and tomorrow you'll be, I guess, like, are you, which one are you going to be for Grumpy Cat? For Grumpy Toad, I'm Grumpy Toad from Pete the Cat, who is the only, like, non, well, that's not true. There's a platypus. Thank God she didn't get us involved in that character. Grumpy Toad is, like, the weirdest character, and he is, like, he ponks like this the whole time, and he wears purple glasses, and he loves to play marbles. So I'm kind of leaning into my own, like, kind of, some of my own behavior styles, which is easy for me. But, you know, I'll probably just be handing out candy and drinking with my mother.

So it. Every time someone wants to ask me what I am, I'll probably just be like, a frog, because I don't necessarily, unless Leon is there, then I have to really play the part, you know. Sure. What is it, is it still, does it still feel like Halloween to you as now that it's November technically? Or is, are we in Thanksgiving territory? I think I immediately almost switch, which is silly, because I brought Halloween stuff today. What about you though? Yeah, I agree.

It's like a hard switch, which is annoying because I'm like, I would like to do like the, but it's same with Christmas for me. like afterward I'm sort of like okay next I don't know I and well no I think Christmas lingers for me because really the last of them and I'm like I got to hold on to something magical hold on let me hold on to this real quick no October is Halloween November Thanksgiving and then Christmas until like the beginning of February like through January I still think of the holidays okay well I'm going to participate that way because I usually just get really depressed and then just sit in the dark for a month thinking I wish I had Christmas I should have held on to Christmas.

Well, next time this year, I'll hold on tight. Oh, this is beautiful. Thank you. I have a story for you today that is... A Halloween story?

I guess technically. I mean, they are all Halloween stories. They're all kind of spooky. But sure, let's say yes. So this is... Oh, and happy four, five, six. I know. That's a nice...

Yeah, that's a nice little angel number for us. Is that still an angel number? Or is it just like a lucky, like a, like a synchronicity type thing. I think it's just a pattern that humans seem to really enjoy. I certainly enjoy it. I enjoy it. Christine, your hair. It's lush.

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Seven Sisters Road. Okay, my mom is one of seven sisters. Sorry, my phone's buzzing. Is she really? Sorry, I ordered a costume. No, we're kidding. I'm so sorry. When I found out, I was like, there's no way I can't tell this story. Yeah, at a certain point, it's like, well, there's no way out of this maze. I hit a dead end. I'll tell you, this is a PSA. Watch what you fucking click on by accident. Oh, yeah. And also, where was Frankenstein? Like, I couldn't have ordered Frankenstein and that. I don't know. Maybe you got them confused, which sometimes happens.

Maybe I clicked on us to be like, who would get a fucking condom clause? And then close out, but I accidentally... You're like, who would get a bag of chips as their costume and then... Well, I really have like the on DoorDash. You know how if you just like press the plus button, all of a sudden it does add to your cart instead of... Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't have to make you pick a size though or something. I don't know.

I don't order. I feel like I think a condom was a one size. It was a one size. It was a XXXXL. Actually it was actually a fits only huge dudes. Okay. So first of all, don't even disrespect the costume like that. no i have i have like done like a cbs order and all of a sudden there's random candy in there i thought

i didn't order and then i look back and it's because of the plus button it's like a Freudian slip you're like oh candy anyway i just what a stupid fucking thing that happened on me okay sorry keep going no i was just saying my mom is one of seven sisters um so i wonder if this is their road i should know this but what number is she in the lineup two oh second kid i think it sounds pretty rough i was like you're not the first poor and you're not even like one of the younger ones you're just kind of up there like take him yeah you're just a responsibility that's right yeah it's it's rough spot rough spot well everybody so this is um in nebraska it's an hour south of omaha and the road is apparently also known as l road like the letter l the letter l yeah

Hey, fun fact. One time my dad told me he had a new girlfriend and he told my brother me while we were watching TV and we said, we're going to meet her for dinner tonight. And I was like six or seven and he said, what's her name? And he said her name is L. And we were like from, like we thought he was joking because I thought it was like from Sesame Street. Like, oh, the letter L. He's like, no, she's really basically like, no, she's real. She goes to another school. Her name's L. And I was like, wait, what do you mean L like from Sesame Street? Anyway, it turns out it was E L-L-E. And my brain couldn't comprehend it at six. And I literally thought her name was the letter L for a long time. So now I ask. Fair enough. Fair enough. Well, this road is 22 minutes, nope, 22 miles long. Yikes. But I think there's only one section of it that is three miles long.

And I think like the section that we're talking about is three miles long. Sorry. And all of the road is mostly unpaved, but there are many hills and the area and that is where the hills will come in. Don't worry. So in the late 18... The hills are alive. The hills are actually. Oh, uh-oh. So in the late 1800s, early 1900s, there was a section that had seven major hills and a family lived in that area. The story goes that it was a farmer, a wife, a son, and seven daughters. So the legend is different versions. Hey, that's my mom's family. One son, seven daughters. Was her father a farmer?

He was, what's the opposite of a farm? So the legend has different versions, but some say that the dad was actually a A lamp salesman? No? A lamp curator. He was the bad guy in some stories, but in other stories, he didn't do anything wrong and it was more the son. That was the bad guy.

But the main story is that the son was fighting with his family, and I guess it was happening a lot that year and things the tension was getting high in that family things started getting really heated in the house and during one particularly bad fight with his parents the sisters all took the parents side and so the sun stormed off and went up into the house that's terrifying you really don't mess with seven sisters i've seen it with my own two eyes it's a scary force i believe they're rarely on the same page but when they are it's like oh fuck you know yeah united front you're screwed so later that night he saw his parents leave from the night um oh he's in the hills right sorry he's in the hills sulking or doing something up there

he's throwing rocks at trees for sure i can't believe they're all so mad at me you're so mean to me and he ends up finding out that his or he looks down to his house and sees his parents are leaving for the night so while very angry still especially at his sisters he goes back to the house once they're gone and it's unknown if the sisters were sleeping or if they were up and at him but basically the story goes that one by one he lured or forced each of them outside. What the fuck?

Okay, no more joking. Sorry, geez. Oh, man. Unsure if it's like every version was like, well, you don't know really what happened, but basically he was able to trick them or physically drag them each out of the house

and into the hills. He brought each them to a different hill and hang them from a tree. Jesus. Wow. Okay. I mean, it sounds very folklory. Like he put all of them on a different hill that seems a little like excessive for what, you know? But unless he's like totally nutty, like a total premeditated serial killer type and he's like dreamed of doing this. But. Right. It sounds like something. It sounds like something you don't just do. Right. On a whim. Because you're mad right now.

Yeah. So. For seven times too. It's like, yeah. Okay. not okay but like you know you do two it's like Jesus you're going to do this five more times because you're that upset and also logistically I'm like would they go like totally is he going back and then they're like waiting for him and they're like what did you do with our other three sisters yeah or like when the ones that he hasn't gotten yet hear someone screaming right and be fucking out of there I don't know anyway the story goes that one by one he would take each them to a different hill and hang them I just don't want it to be true that's why I'm arguing with it it's not that it's not it's

Not that I don't believe you or the story. I just am like, I can't. Okay, wow, that's a lot. It's dark. Well, eventually all seven are in different trees on different hills. And I saw one source say, and their screams slowly faded. What? So fucking dark.

It is dark. Yeesh. Yeah. It's unknown if the mom and dad were the first people to find their daughters, but one site called this, quote, a macabre welcome home to his parents. well okay that's beautifully written thank so much for the flowers god welcome um after this event

it's unknown what happened to the family but when locals would drive through the area weird things would start to happen so their animals would act weird this was at a time where it was a horse and wagon instead of a car so the animals were acting weird um the horses refused to go into that area their wagons would break down and the area was unnaturally silent and from this point on it became known to locals that you should try to avoid this road at all costs after dark oh god so since this time period some of the

hills have been taken down but four still stand i guess in the creation of roads and stuff like that right okay but the lore has carried on and to this day people driving on the seven sisters road say that the area is very eerie and odd things happen to them at night one local said that the land just feels wrong you can't explain it but it's heavy like it remembers yuck I love when you go it makes me cringe my soul like

like cringe starts cringing people have said the air feels off and that they even have to pop their ears in certain spots because it feels like the space has changed yugh people will see

orbs glowing and odd lights flickering around them and the wind will abruptly pick up pick up or shift directions you know how in your car when there's like a big gust of when you can even the car will feel like it feel it yeah yeah so rene used to drive a jeep in high school imagine the nightmare of that fucking experience 16 years old

i had a friend who drove a jeep in high school and it's always the least like responsible drive not that rene is well you know it's just like a little more chaotic energy and i'm like who gave this girl a jeep you know oh my god yeah was your friend chaotic driver yes yeah it always is i don't know what that is it's like who gave this to you and why have you heard of the jeep death rattle or whatever it's called oh yeah yeah i hate that never experienced that i haven't either thank god i would never have gotten in that car again apparently it's some like glitch in jeeps that like everyone's aware of and nobody's fixing and is it i thought it was like when you like lean too far no it's like an actual like issue with the car i don't really know much about it honestly i i think there's like you can set

it off like some people know exactly the right way to set it off to show you the death rattle and but then you'd like have to just hold on for dear life and the thing that you're wheels shaking like this it's like so scary yeah thank god that wasn't part of my experience well okay so the wind will pick up and shift directions and i'm assuming also just move your car off the road which has to feel scary and especially in a haunted road at night um that being said there are a lot of times where people will experience all this and still hear no ambient sound so it's happening and you can't even hear wind but there's nothing creepier to me than full silence no and it sounds like very alien too it when you get into that or like something like more than just a ghost like either demonic or aliens

like something like unnatural like creepy unnatural so yeah i can't say it and i by the way there's no mention of aliens in this but i just feel like this has got to be a UFO space right right with all these hills i don't know it seems it seems a little like it would be a match made in heaven yeah um yeah yeah so people's phones will also die even if they're newly charged no i'll see that's not cool uh all electronics will mouth because that means your car goes quiet too which is creepy because if you're playing music or well i mean i get you the radio on but i imagine there's some creepy radio thing that happens too but if you're like playing a podcast and it's like your phone dies then now you're in silence you can't even like pretend everything's silent it's like it's like

it's like it feels like yeah and by the way let's not forget that cars these days a lot of them are electronic cars these days true and it is creepy when people talk about like their cars like kind of the system like shutting down yeah oh my god my car does that if i reset the like little screen where the um when you plug your phone and a little screen comes on if i sometimes like the touch thing won't work so i'll reset it and it like goes wow and like you're driving but like the whole car just like goes quiet and you're like is it allowed to be moving still like i feel like it's not on but it just shuts down although it's a creepy sound it's like wow yeah it like a like i would for sure do that to you if we were on that road. I would like lean over and hold the button until it started

over. What would I do? Leave you on the road. Right. Fair. Well, you probably jump out and then I'd have to handle that situation, which would be a big problem. Investigation teams have actually gone out here and they've said that their electronics will also die. So their mics and their cameras will either pick up weird interference or just die even if it's a fresh battery pack. People have felt hands brushed past them. And one person even said that they felt that they felt their sweatshirt pull itself up on them, which I hate. Ooh, what? Which, like, that does not feel like something the sisters would do.

Yeah, I don't know, right? That's kind of like, what are you doing? One friend who was in that group, though, watched it happen and saw the hoodie lift up by itself. Were they in the car or were they just, like, out and about? I think they were just standing at, like, a gas station. Oh, okay, okay. Because I was like, that feels like really complicated, but if you're just outside, yeah.

Good point. Very, very fair question. drivers claim to see shadows moving outside in eerie ways and spooky and some have even said that these shadows have glowing red eyes this has become like a big thing there where people always claim to see red glowing eyes in the hills and in 1960 this is very weird but in 1960 there was a week

where multiple people all reported to the police that there was something with red eyes glaring at them out in the hills in what 50s or 60s you said 1960 this feels very extraterrestrial to me I don't know Yeah, thank you. It does. You're welcome. No, because you're totally right. Like, there's electronic malfunctions.

It just feels really eerie. It's very silent. I mean, yeah, I would agree that this feels more UFO than anything. I agree with the thing I said. With exactly what you said. People have also reported hearing bells ringing out in the distance. Huh. And people for some reason have gone to investigate and they haven't found anything.

Okay. that's probably good they've also heard voices and whispers talking to them that are just out of you every time and investigators have looked for these noises in a nearby cemetery and apparently there's never anybody there it's it sounds like it was kind of like an abandoned cemetery but they thought well maybe that's where the bells are coming from or someone's there seeing somebody and there's never anyone um they've also picked up female EVPs of someone saying help us no and people like i mean you said earlier different parts of a car can die and are in creepy situations and i said oh well a car is like a whole machine itself cars will malfunction altogether where their speedometer needle will have a mind of its own and that's like that's like um feeling yeah that feels like compass like magnetic stuff too you know like magnetic interference? Yuck. Well, tell me this. Tell me if this is horrifying to you. Their windows will go up and down by themselves. Uh-uh. Your sweatshirt's going up, your window's

going down. I mean, it's, I, that's, like, your window is your only safe haven't. I know, it feels like your only little barrier. Yeah. Can you imagine if your car just, like, stopped itself on the side of the road, turn all the music off, and then the window goes down. Oh, no. Oh, my God. I would absolutely lose my fucking nightmare. Nightmare. A common thing that happened. of people is that their car's headlights will shut off completely, or they will dim only well in the area, and as soon as you leave the area, they will re-brighten. Ew, and then you have to drive slower, and then you get nervous. You're going to hit something.

Like, it's just elevated your fear. I don't know. That's such a good. I'm glad that you're here. Oh, good. Another common thing is that the cars will just stall out of nowhere and lead people stranded in the hills. Great.

Fantastic. um that is we're now teetering into like certainly one of the most some of the most common things that happen here the one of the first things that every story had was oh your car will stall especially if you're at the top of a hill top the car will stall and then feel like it's going backwards down the hill which like you can't do anything about yuck um yeah so it'll just stall and then if you try to turn it back on people say that they hear someone talking to them oh god so I imagine if you're a teenager, though, and it's like, go turn your car off out in the hills and see what happens. You know, like... Yeah, count to 100. Oh, God, so spooky. Oh, that was my next bullet point. Many people have said, on top of your engine stalling...

Oh, no, this is a new thing. Get ready. Okay. I'm ready. Many people have said on top of the engine stalling, their radio will freak out. And sometimes it will... Which you actually mention the radio. Sometimes it changes from music to static.

Other times it will turn off all together. It'll just, whoop, it's turned off. And other times it switches to stations playing creepy music. Oh, I love that. They're like, let's just set the vibe first before we attack. One time a guy's radio switched itself to the song, The End, by the Doors. Oh, I was going to say, what qualifies as creepy music that counts, I would say? Even scarier than the words in that song, it's a 12-minute song.

Oh, well, nightmare again. It's like when they're like, oh. Five minutes, but it felt like an eternity. Imagine 12 minutes of your window going up and down. Of classic radio and you're like, help. By the way, the song is about a guy wanting to kill his family. No, I'm yawning. We're like boring.

I'm so sorry. Sometimes we just get the, uh, what it can'tage just yawn. The sleepies, yeah. The sleepies. So keep in mind, this song is about a guy wanting to kill his family. Yikes. He even walks down the halls to their. room and tells them he wants to do it what which like hello that feels very similar to the story it feels

it feels like the story is almost being set up by some other ghosts that's like let's make them believe it to this story because it's like so specific i know and the song the end um that was playing i just wanted to read some of the lyrics yeah yeah can you sing them actually that would be great i don't know i would try but i don't know the word i don't know the music at all i just you can make it like make it up i don't know it either so i wouldn't know just kidding you can just say the words i was going to try oh well okay so the first line is this is the end beautiful friend and imagine by the way your car has stalled the radio has oh you're on the top of a fucking dark as hill the wind is pushing you around and yet there's no wind you're

seeing eyes staring at you and your window's going up and down this is the end beautiful friend this is the end my only friend the end there's danger on the edge of town ride the king's high way baby fuck yeah do it come on all right kill kill kill kill kill this is the end beautiful friend this is the end my only friend the end it hurts to set you free but you'll never follow me the end of laughter and soft lies the end of nights we tried to die this is the end what the fuck dude what are the doors up to what's happening here well okay so those were those were three different lines of lyrics so there was some stuff going on in the middle there but yeah isn't that fucking crazy and imagine you hear that in the middle of nowhere yuck uh yuck i'm like looking because you know how sometimes back then they

would write words about a serial killer um it doesn't even seem to be that it's about a serial killer so no literally the song is like a son walking down the hall saying dad i want to kill you and then at the end it's like all right kill kill kill kill kill oh yeah i get i literally think i would just lie in the car lie down and close my eyes and just embrace my fate. I'd be like, I don't even, I don't even feel it. Goodbye, cruel. Yeah.

So other than the radio freaking out, the number one most common haunting here, you got the car stalling, the radio freaking out, and the screaming. Yeah. Like that. Just like that. It's scary. People hear screaming of all volumes, both outside and inside their car. Oh.

And sometimes it starts as soft voices outside. side of the car that kind of grow and get louder and louder, other times people have heard screams literally from their backseat. Oh, no. Some people have even said that they've had the audacity to look in their rear view, I say audacity, to look in the rear view mirror and see what the screaming's all about and there are faces in their backseat. In the backseat? No, no, no, no, no, no. I know, I know. I know. Sometimes the screams happen while the car stalled and refuses to turn on. There have been other people that right when their engine lights back up,

all of a sudden there's a scream in their ear. Which I know I said voices earlier, but the screams are just too much. But the screaming is crazy. And I'm like, is it like they're trying to use the energy of the car to like communicate and that's why the car is shutting up? Like why are they, it's like, I don't know. It's just weird. Detective Schiefer is, uh, on the case.

You're going to ask questions that have no answers. We'll never really know. You know what? Every detective asks questions that has no answers, and then they find them. That's so great. Thank you. You'll find it along the way. Someday. Others say that the screaming will turn into abrupt silence out of nowhere. So screaming silence.

That is scary. That's somehow even creepier. So all that to say is, is the legend real of the seven sisters being hung from different trees on different hills? What do you think? I feel like, well, my gut was like, oh, maybe. Maybe there was a really terrible crime and over the years it's been like exaggerated to like seven sisters and maybe it wasn't quite as many, but I don't know. I don't know. What is, is there a real answer? Detective Schiefer is on it. So we, you made some interesting point. So we don't know for sure if that ever happened. But there is no evidence of a gruesome murder like that. although it has been suggested because it was a very small town over 100 years ago

it might have just been kept off the record to avoid any shame but whether or not that's true there's no police record there's no county record there's no newspaper articles about it this is most likely just a tall tale but it could have been inspired

by actual hangings in the area because this county is one of the top counties to have the most public hangings in the 1800s oh shit okay wow so there's at least some horrible things that happen here yeah so there were apparently five is how many hangings there were in 1800s in this county and one of them was in 1887 when a husband was said to have killed his own daughter for the inheritance yuck so that could be where we get the story of like a family hanging right right right and murder and yeah and why sometimes the dad is actually the bad guy in the story you hear right right right um the man also lived near what is now seven sisters road where the legend happened so that would that would fit the like a guy did live here and kill

his daughter for sure for sure also in the area there was once a family who lived here that had one son and seven daughters oh but their death dates all differ drastically like they definitely didn't experience a murder but there's the thought that people just kind of combine the story of like a son and seven daughters and this guy who hanged his daughter in the area smashed him together and got this like fucked up family lore and like who knows how if the that other family with eight kids was fucked up anyway in their own way right and then they just got kind of like I mean who knows but it just feels like an easy thing to combine yeah so um yeah it just I could see that in a small town becoming

a very easy story. So today a lot of people have turned this into like the local challenge like mine is the Bunnyman Bridge. Right. And it's like, oh, drive through at night with your headlights off or something. However, I did see on two different websites, I think,

people posting warnings about doing this. And they did say, if you're going to do this, this is a quote. Okay. Don't drive alone. Never stop at the top of the hill. Keep your lights on. Avoid the road after midnight.

and if you hear screaming, don't look back. It's so creepy. It sounds like the end of a goosebumps book. I know. Whatever you do. So that's the Seven Sisters Road. That's so creepy. Remember when I was like, this is just like my mom?

And then I'm like, okay, never mind. Thank God. Thank God. But wow, what a tale. That did feel very Halloween. I'll give that too. I was joking, but it really did. So I think we're going to match tones today.

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Condom gate. Yeah. That sounds way worse than what it is. You know, it shouldn't even be called condom gate. that feels like way more. Let's call it Spermgate and let people join Patreon to see what we're talking about. Oh, there we go. That's the perfect little tidbit.

Okay, let's leave it at that. I mean, it's just outrageous. I'm going to be laughing about this for the rest of my life. Okay. Oh, God, I can't wait until Leon is old enough for this story. Okay. Maybe by then we'll have an answer. I mean, maybe by then, yeah, it'll be, we'll have time travel and we can actually go watch it happen in real time.

That'll be even more fun. Perfect. Okay, so I know I mentioned this at the start, but I accidentally went Halloween with this one and not last week's episode. So I apologize, but I do have a Halloween-based story because it happened at a Halloween event. You know what's great about this, though, is everyone's got their candy already to eat while you're telling your story. Right. That's right. Don't eat your kids candy. They know. We know. I counted it. Okay. Nice try, Mom. I think I didn't count my almond joys

Sick Almond joys? What? Yes! Apparently there's a lot of hate for Mary Jane's out there. Oh shit! I'm like over, you're going, sure, I'll eat it. Whatever. More for me. Listen, more for you for sure. Maybe that's my old people candy.

Oh, I love that for you. I mean, I love a Wothers original, so that's always my go-to. But I get my dad would always tell me that I'm going to choke on it. So I'm really scared of them also. Fair enough. Okay, I'm, I've got my, my, um, symbolic, uh, my Mary Jane's. Oh, yes, yes. Ready to eat while you tell me your story.

Oh, good. Okay, enjoy them. Uh, Chelsea Ellen Brooke is the, uh, victim, unfortunately in today's story. This is the story of how she was killed on Halloween night. So Chelsea Ellen Brooke, she was born January, 1992 to Matthew and Leanda Brooke. She grew up the youngest of five kids on a farm in maybe Michigan. Michigan. I've never heard of that place, but I really like it. I love that. It has two E's. Oh, okay. I don't know if I love it as much anymore.

I kind of like it more with the two E's because it's like, I think it's cutesy. It's a quirky version of maybe, yeah. Yeah, but I think of if it didn't have that other E, all the ways you could put your town name into slogans. You're right. But if you put your town name with an extra E, then people like get that it's the town. But yeah, no, I know what you mean. I guess I'm sure people still do it. This is us at the, um, what do you call? it the city what do you call it when people go to the town hall or whatever town hall meeting and then i were just like bickering on the microphone about whether it's better as with one e or two and it's like i would protest by spray paying like one e out of every sign just like cross it out

um okay sorry so maybe michigan uh very fun that's the end of the fun all right chelsea's author worked for the county library system and ran the family farm and her mother worked as a bank teller The family was very close. Chelsea enjoyed a very happy, idyllic childhood, alongside her sisters and brother. This town of Maybe is a town of just under 600 residents, but it's very close-knit. Well, I guess it's, of course, it's close-knit. It's like fewer than 600 people. So it's a very close-knit group.

They call each other a family, and neighbors are often known to be very involved in each other's lives. So if there's an event in town, it's pretty much guaranteed that everyone in town will assume they're invited to the event like you can't really have an event where it's not like everyone in maybes a maybe for the event i i oh yeah it wasn't that good but no but you know i feel like if you're having a party and maybe at the rsv you when you make an for sure you have to put maybe or a wedding invite like it has to have something like that 100% or maybe you'll come to my party i mean it's cute with two ease my party yeah oh yeah So now we're friends at the town hall meeting.

Everyone's like, get these two out of here. There's a picture of us signing the same document at the same time. But we're like trying. So stupid. So stupid. Okay. All right. So there's this big party.

And every year on Halloween, this neighbor throws a party. And basically, it's kind of a free for all. Like everybody is sort of going to show up, whether you like it or not. So like everybody and maybe, Chelsea. was a familiar face that everybody knew in town. She was one of the Bruck girls or the Bruck sisters. And she was the youngest of the girls, but she was also one of the, like, boldest and most well-known or most, like, understood or appreciated in town for how bubbly and outgoing she was. Very funny, that kind of thing. So Chelsea hears of a big Halloween party happening in Monroe

County in autumn of 2014 and they have fun things like prizes for the best dressed and yeah got love people who take the event seriously the Halloween event seriously yeah yeah well M has seven capes so I have seven we already know that about you I mean between all the costumes I did and did not get this Halloween season I could have really thrown together something for best or worst dressed oh you could have made at least most original certainly most uncomfortable everybody most socially awkward yeah that that actually tracks a little bit more likely to should stay away from your children for the night to get kicked out of my party my family but oh god that's good okay so she hears there's this best dressed uh award and there's you know

this fun Halloween party um this guy his name is mike williams he's better known as of course big mike because which mike williams in in the Midwest is not known as big Mike. And he would often throw parties at his home in Monroe County. And this one was going to be his biggest yet. Okay. It had a stage. It had fire dancers, live music. Hell yeah, brother. Yeah. Yeah, Big Mike. An enormous bonfire food trucks, contests, prizes, and lots of drinks. He actually had a 10-hour, like, schedule for the music. So he had bands performing for 10 straight hours. I mean, I guess you can't, you can't, if, just like how you said earlier, if 600 people

live in your town and 600 people just kind of have to be invited if you're throwing a party, you better deliver for 600 fucking people. Yeah. You would think by living in such a small town parties would be a lot easier. It's actually much harder because if everyone's invited. Everyone's like, and they're all going to hear about it because everyone knows each other. A town fair, essentially. Yeah, you're inviting everyone to the town hall meeting.

So, and they're going to show up. Yeah. There's an award for best, best costume. And you're competing with 600 people for best dress. You better fucking commit. So she was very excited about this part and she really committed. She worked on the costume for weeks. She sewed individual fake leaves together.

Do you want to guess what she was dressed as? I mean, I feel like tree is not the answer. No. I like it, though. Dressed as leaves. Hmm. I have no other than a tree, I've magically forgotten what leaves are a part of. I mean, yeah, like what else would it be? No, it was a poison ivy from. Oh, that's sick. But like I sort of would, I would never have guessed that. Okay. I would have been like, oh, a shrub. I don't know.

But she texted me, she was like, I'm sewing all these leaves together for my costume. I'd be like, you're obviously a tree. A tree, just come on. Yeah. But so apparently it was poison ivy from Batman. So on October 25th, Chelsea put on this, like, painstakingly crafted outfit. It had a red wig, this whole nine yards, red shoes, and went to Big Mike's annual Halloween bash. So Big Mike often threw parties, and this was, like I said, going to be the biggest one. They even had food trucks coming in, tents for people, portable toilets. He actually even hired a team to act as security and to direct parking. So this is like becoming like a fall festival situation, like an actual pumpkin patch, like

we need to everyone park near the cornfield and we have like ropes and stuff and despite his careful planning Mike was extremely overwhelmed by the turnout so there were nearly twice as many attendees as he expected so people estimate that about 800 to a thousand people came that night which is just that's insane like he was planning for a 400 person 500 person max party which is like big huge and then it's like double that you know i mean my brain i can't even comprehend if he doesn't leave this small ass town and go be a party promoter then i don't know what he's seriously if he wants to make i mean maybe this is what the midwest needs though maybe he's going to like revolutionize you know maybe it feels like this is uh shocking but but what i will

say is he really didn't feel prepared and so he was like very very overwhelmed he didn't know everybody there you know and so he's looking around going okay mostly i know people and if i don't recognize many people here like that's becoming a problem like security wise and otherwise it's giving Aaron carter's uh music video oh my god for real it's like who are you and it's like i don't know i just got invited but yeah the uh you broke my mom's vase oh i love that song yeah um yeah exactly it's like oh this got out of hand you know and so with no more room in the field people started parking in the street and they were blocking the road. I mean, this is just becoming a huge issue. And after midnight, Mike was fighting to control party overflow. And he was trying to get people

out of the street. He was trying to keep things at least safe enough and organized as he could. People started getting into brawls, you know, there's alcohol involved. So he's trying to get people out for, thank God he hired security. Like to even, I wouldn't have even thought of that. I wouldn't even thought of that. As my, yeah, in my state. Also, I mean, did he really invites or having security or were they just like, if you're inviting everyone in the park? Is everyone oh they're like we're just guests at the party because in my mind i'm like you're blocking the roads but like do the cops care because they're also partying at the party yeah i feel like there has to be somebody who doesn't like big mike though who's like oh yeah you know on the police who there has

like the commissioner maybe has no enemies but maybe the commissioner yeah that feels right um allegedly allegedly so most people were just having a good time drinking dancing socializing um but he did have to get a few people kicked out for being too rowdy and fighting but of all the people there chelsea was among the group having a good time she arrived around 11 she had an entire glass jug of wine with her which she had labeled poisoned to compliment her costume so she had this poison jar and she was having a really good time until just before 1 a m when she unfortunately had an accident she walked into a tent pole like that was sticking out and it was really dark at this point um and

they were walking from one area of the party to another and she walked directly into a pole that was jutting out and it cut her forehead and nose and so she started bleeding but her friend kind of like she said the way she described it was like I mommed her for a bit and like you know comforted her like gave her pep talk got her drink and said let's keep going so they continued on and when Chelsea finally did decide to go home a little while later she discovered that her ride was ready to leave and she wasn't like or had already left basically she found out that the girl she was going to go with had had waited a while then been like I'm going to go home and so Chelsea was a little bit stuck and the worst part was that one of Chelsea's friends

who was carrying her phone and wallet because unlike your cape her costume didn't have pockets and so she had left her phone with someone else which is like oh girl you know and it's 2014 so it's like at that point it's not like you're using it for literally everything right you know so it's kind of like you can enjoy a party without it without feeling like you're missing it but still like and her costume was made out of leaves so like you can't go dig in for your phone every five seconds you're gonna break her costume true true yeah true yeah I hadn't even thought of that and she already has that giant jug of wine she's carrying around and she's busy phones were not like super convenient back then they were just kind of clunky yeah um so I didn't find that that strange but so she was she didn't have her phone on her but her friend was carrying her phone and wallet um and she found out and i don't want to make it sound like all these friends left without her because i don't believe that's what happened i think it was just a big party people got yeah i didn't get that by okay because people just kind of part ways at a party yeah and they were trying to text her right but she doesn't have her phone so it's like you know she can't even figure out so they just assume like

all right she'll get her way she'll find her way home um there are plenty of people here we know a lot of them it's fine so they leave and um she's a little bit stuck without her phone so she asked several people for a ride home but nobody is able to give her one so she finally left the party around three a m on foot and alone it's not certain where exactly which is so sad too because it's like you wish somebody would have spotted her or she would have thought to go to big mic or like the security people and said like you would call me a cab or something it's just sad it's one of those things where it's like a catch 22 of like if there's so many people around you would think someone's going to help or notice something but it also means there's a higher risk of something

happening yeah i agree like you feel safety in numbers in some way but then if someone has bad intentions and you walk off alone like yeah it's just too bad it's it's obviously tragic and i can't change it but um it just is a bummer so yeah she walks out she doesn't really think to um she was pretty intoxicated people said um she didn't think to to talk to the security people she left around 3 a.m. by herself it's also a small town she probably just saw like i know everyone i'm gonna be someone'll yeah someone'll yeah exactly or if i run into somebody maybe they can walk with me or who knows yeah yeah and like if you're really drunk at this point at three in the morning like you're not making the wisest decisions i speak fully from experience on that like you just think of course you're

safe you're walking along you're the place you grew up you know from home from a party i will people didn't quite know where she was going because it would have taken hours to walk home. So I think she just probably got it in her head and wandered. I think she probably just thought I'll find my friends along the way. Or somebody will pick me up.

Yeah. I mean, I've been to a lot of house parties where I've watched a lot of drunk people just kind of aimlessly wander off into the void and they're like, I'll figure it out. I'll find my way back. Or like she could have been walking to like fucking waffle house. Like who knows? Who knows? Right. Exactly. True. And like she would have probably known the

area. But yeah, so she she would have had to walk eight miles back to her house. So they're not sure whether she was walking home or just like, like you said, to another location, gas station Waffle House. Who knows? Gas station, yeah. Yeah. So it might not have been a problem on another night that there was this distance, but this night she was very drunk. It was three in the morning and she had that injury on her face. Right. So in the morning, Chelsea didn't return home. But her family wasn't too worried because she had planned to stay the night at a friend's house after the party. So first thing in the morning, they weren't super worried. But after a few hours when the afternoon rolled around, then later the evening and she was still not answering her cell phone, that's when her parents got worried.

Chelsea was very close with her family and she was the type of person who would have checked in by this point. So it was pretty worrying that nobody could get a hold of her. Even if she couldn't use her phone, she would have found another way to reach out to, to, her parents or a sibling which is probably what she was doing on her walk home like trying to get somewhere or who knows and no one who went to the party knew where she was or who she might be with so they felt kind of stuck um it was early sunday morning when chelsea had last been seen so her family didn't have all the details about how and when she left the party um they just could only hope that she found somebody who would help her get home safe but as the day passed and they didn't

hear from her. They worried that she wasn't just sleeping off a hangover and something worse had happened. So on Monday, October 27th, Chelsea's mom reported her daughter missing. Sheriffs went to the site of the Halloween party where Mike was still cleaning up decorations and garbage. I mean, not that far off, only a couple days. That would be exhausting. That would be exhausting. I can't, I mean. You'd have to wait a whole year for sure to do another one of these big blowouts, I think. 100%. No wonder he does it once a year.

And the, you do wonder, like, how big of a community are we? Like, how big into community are we? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Are they pitching in? Or do you have to hire people to clean up with you? 1,500 people came. How many are actually here to help you pick up, I think, like 10. Yeah, probably.

Yeah, based on, yeah. Well, either way, he's still cleaning up. There's still garbage everywhere. Solo cups. can only imagine. Mike didn't know anything about Chelsea's whereabouts. So the authorities began contacting people who had responded to the party invitation posted to Facebook to see if they had seen her or knew of her whereabouts that night, as well as people who were posting to social media about having attended the party. But nobody they spoke to seemed to know where Chelsea

could have gone when she left because even if they wanted to help, a lot of them were drinking or doing drugs and everyone was in costume. It's like one of those, and it's outside. It's one of those nights where you just you know people blur together you kind of blur the the night together um and so a lot of people had trouble kind of recalling like when she left their presence like with a group or where she went the last week of my life every time i've guessed the time i was fucking wrong like you were completely off like i was like i thought surely it's like 11 o'clock at night last night and it was six and i was like what's going on so i imagine plus being drunk and having fun and being out all at all hours like someone said oh i saw her at 10 and it was two in the morning yeah like i saw some

timer and especially if you're not like again on your phone every five seconds back then like you're not necessarily looking at the time every 100% yeah yeah you're just like oh i remember her over there with someone i didn't recognize yeah within like after midnight before midnight yeah it's just like horrible recall yeah it's like not reliable yeah it's like not the best most reliable type of witness to have, right? So Chelsea's family organized a search party and volunteers descended upon the fields and woods surrounding Mike's rural farmhouse. More than 1,000 people joined the search, scouring the land near the party. They looked with dog teams, helicopters, and the Brooks meanwhile distributed pamphlets, thousands of them.

Actually, you know, hundreds of thousands of them with information about Chelsea's disappearance. residents of Monroe County tied purple ribbons to trees and light posts and they gave out fine Chelsea brook bracelets rumors began swirling about what could have happened of course because again we're still in a small area rural area people are going to be gossiping or worrying or chatting about what happened and of course like immediately the insane rumors start spreading like one was that she was burned alive at the bonfire at the party what like this is how these fucking stupid folk lores that not this is how the seven sisters road happened literally like the troubling ones where it's like they end up being really racist or whatever it's like this is how this shit happens

you're like oh they burn them alive like what are talking about you can't just say shit like that what's wrong with you i can't okay wow okay so and also why mislead an investigation so drastically right like unless you had something to do with it but like why on earth would you say that when like they're actually trying to find out what happened it's just tragic so yeah Yeah. So, of course, there's some people are saying, oh, there was a satanic ritual at the party and they burned them a lot. They burned her alive in the fire. And imagine being her family. It's horrible. It's horrible. I just want to know where my fucking kid is. It's horrible. And it's like back off. Like if you're not going to be helpful, you know. Yeah. And so investigators were basically like pressured into searching the ashes. And of course there were no human remains in any of the ashes. I think other people would have remembered that. They wasted time and resources. Although there were no remains. of course, in the fire. Big Mike still couldn't escape accusations in town that he was somehow involved. Shame.

I know. It's kind of rough. Imagine just throwing a bucket. Sorry, I keep interrupting you. No, no, but you're right. You're right. You just threw apart. Like, you want to do something fun for the community.

In a world of not to get all like on my little soapbox here, but in a world of hyper individuality being promoted on all of us. Like this guy just wants a little fucking community. He just wants a village. He's throwing a party for everyone. And all of a sudden he's like a murder suspect. It's like, fuck you. I wouldn't make, I wouldn't have the party next year.

It's really too bad because it's like, what a, what a beautiful thing you tried to do. And everyone was having a good time. And then someone had to go and hurt people and fuck it all up. Anyway, yeah, yeah, I guess with that many people, you're bound to get some bad, bad folks in there. Sure. Sorry, I did not mean to, I am aware of you're totally, but you're totally right because spoiler alert, he's not involved. And so it is really hard to hear that, like, he was getting so much flack for this. People snuck onto his property with search dogs.

He caught strangers trying to look into his windows at night. Like, people were really harassing this guy. Drones over the property. He said during one visit from the police, he let them inside to be cooperative. And they threw him on the ground and threatened to shoot his dog. What the fuck? Oh, my God. Sorry, Hank.

it's like he heard that too he's like uh oh oh no so I really threw him for a little bit better that's so fucking awful like hello oh my god this guy so Mike said of course he feels terrible he's trying to help he wants to do what's right and he wants to help Chelsea's family he can't imagine

what they're experiencing but he's like I'm living every day with dread in my own home because I'm terrified that someone you know that someone's gonna frame me for this or put me or hurt me because they think I'm someone could break in and try to my dog or my family for my dog yeah oh my god oh my god so this is just all turned into a big mess for him um but meanwhile of course they're not getting any closer uh to an actual answer so october 29th

um they release a composite sketch of a man that witnesses believe was the last person to be seen interacting with chelsea at the party there was one vendor at the party which i was like vendor but yeah they were one of the bands brought a merch seller and i know i'm like damn this is quite a production. So the vendor who was selling this merch said he saw the man who left the party with Chelsea. And so he had kind of an idea in his head of what this guy looked like. They were able to make this composite sketch. Tips started pouring in. Investigators followed a lot of leads, but months passed with no answers. And the Brooks couldn't really do much except wait. And they sought comfort with other families who had experienced the nightmare they were living.

in fact Chelsea's older sister Cassie was best friends with Jennifer Niswender whose own twin sister Julia was murdered in her college apartment two years earlier and was never caught so they're already like very close to the family who's gone through something so scary and traumatic and you think like oh my God imagine if that happened to me and it's like oh and here it is like now it's happening to you I mean it's just crazy Chelsea's mother said of Julia our girls were so close when Julia died it was just a big hole blown into our lives. There's not been a day that's gone by that I don't miss her. And so, like, that was Chelsea's mom about the daughter's friends. So, like, that's how close these two families were. And so thankfully, they were there to support each other through a very specific type of grief, you know, of, like, the disappearance slash murder of your child, of your daughter. Like, it's a wild thing to both have in common. But they thankfully had each other In early 2015, a $30,000 reward was offered, so this would be a few months after the party, was offered for information on Chelsea's disappearance and whereabouts, and the brucks continued to dedicate their time and resources to finding answers. Finally, in late March, there was a break in the case when two men out looking for scrap metal at an industrial site a few miles from the party discovered a costume covered in leaves and a red wig in an abandum.

in an abandoned building. Oh my God. In a building? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. creepy. I was going to say originally if they're in like a, you said a scrap yard.

So they're out looking for abandoned scrap metal. So they're kind of, they're kind of wandering around this like, yeah, I guess sort of a scrap yard, like this abandoned scrapyard type thing. Not to like be, I'm not trying to be funny about this at all, but she was decorated in leaves. Right. So, like, they, I mean, that would have been a really easy way to camouflage her if they wanted. Yeah. Well, so they only found, yeah, they only found a costume in the warehouse. So they didn't find her actual body at this point.

So I think they were less alarmed. But yeah, you're right. Like, even the costume itself feels like it would be more hidden. Like, because this is what broke the case open, you know, is finding the costume. Yeah, they could have tossed it somewhere and it would look like fucking leaves. Yeah, no, I agree. So I think it was more just like spur of the moment. drunk like not thinking you know not a logical or premeditated thing is my guess but yeah it's it's a

it's a good point because it doesn't feel like where you would find especially out in like rural you know middle of nowhere yeah so at first neither of the men realized what they had found and so they left it there without reporting it but a few days later one of them saw one of the flyers and it said i mean imagine that dread like sinking feeling of seeing a poster saying like missing and there's a woman wearing that costume that you saw in the picture. I mean, terrifying. So he immediately reported it. This was on April 5th, five months after Chelsea had vanished.

And of course, immediately this costume was processed as evidence. Investigators used DNA to confirm that it did belong to Chelsea. And the lab team also found DNA on the leotard from an unknown male. And so that was immediately submitted to the FBI's DNA index system. And there was unfortunately no match. Just a few weeks later, several miles from the industrial site where her costume was found, a man was overseeing construction on a residential lot where he was building a new house. And one of the trucks had gotten stuck while delivering dirt to the site.

And the property owner was behind the truck, trying to figure out how to get the truck out of this, like, rut. And while he assessed the ground around the truck, he suddenly noticed human remains, which, like, the way that this just happens to people out of the blue is always so shocking to me. like you're literally on a walk with your dog or you're you know it's really always the beginning of a law and order episode where it's like just stumbling into something or like bones bones always did the most ridiculous like opening scenes where like you open the closet and like yeah anyway I just watched one last night where the guy was like digging and he just digged up a whole body with one shovel I was like how how did you do please nice try but I know I but and also to think if it weren't such a random happenstance that he's assessing the ground because he got stuck there how much longer would have taken for her to be discovered

yeah that's what's so creepy is like it just seems so happenstance you know and it makes me wonder if the universe is like oh don't worry we'll make this happen you know find a way yeah

so he is just trying to get this truck out of a rut and he suddenly spots human remains among some leaves and logs right right by him although the remains were badly decomposed authorities immediately suspected that they belonged to Chelsea because they really didn't have any other missing persons in the area that would line up with this discovery. Soon after, a medical examiner used dental records to confirm that the remains did, in fact, belong to Chelsea.

On her remains, they found no DNA or any new evidence in addition to what they had found on the costume. So more than a year passed and Chelsea's family and friends, now we're just hoping to someday catch her killer. You know, they got the close. fortunately of discovering her body, but now they wanted to know who had done this, of course. Right. So residents of Monroe County were also so on edge thinking, like, oh, God, this murderer is one of us, you know, like, he must be here somewhere amongst us. Yeah, that would be my first thought. I'd be like, if there was a murder in Fredericksburg, I'd be like, after a party that everyone in town went to, you know?

I know. It's out of a movie. It's out of a movie. It's out of a law and order episode. I'll tell you, I'll tell you off air, but there actually is a, from forever ago, a, we might, I'll tell you about it later. There is, there is like a drama like that that happened before we ever moved there. Oh, wow. Okay, yeah.

Which reminds me, you told me to look into a story and then I wrote it down and then I forgot the name of it and I didn't know how to look it up. That's okay. It's L, it's okay. I knew it started with L. Okay, I'll remember that. List with a K. Lisk with a K. Okay.

So, you know, the community's on edge, too, like trying to imagine who this could have been, somebody, you know, in their own community. One resident said, Chelsea was everyone's sister, everyone's daughter, like, you know, everyone knew her so well that it's all so chilling to think, like, not only is it someone in our community, but it's someone who did this to someone else that we love in our community. And then, on July 22nd, 2016, which was nearly two years since Chelsea's disappearance, police made an arrest. rest in connection with Chelsea's murder finally. 27-year-old Daniel Allen Clay was originally arrested two months earlier in May for larceny and he was accused of harassing a woman and stealing her bag in that instance. This also does sound very SVU. Like he's brought in for petty larceny.

And then it's like, oh my gosh, you know, we've connected you. We've connected you. And they did, I mean, although he was promptly released in May, a mission. state law did allow authorities to collect his DNA while in custody. And so thankfully they did because the DNA was matched to the DNA discovered on Chelsea's costume. I that's first of all, I'm so glad they found a killer. But second of all, being, imagine being him. Like at what point do you panic that like they're taking my DNA or my fingerprints or whatever it is? And it's like, oh, I really hope they don't connect me to this other thing. Like, I just think people like this.

don't even like... Doesn't even occur to them. Because otherwise you wouldn't be doing shit like this. Like you don't even have... You know what I mean? Like, I feel like we can't even comprehend it because it's like, well, I wouldn't... Like I wouldn't...

But I don't know. Maybe... I mean, maybe... I just always think like my brain doesn't... Can't work that way. Like, I don't think because I'd be a mess. But like, these people would just fucking go on. Maybe it's drugs. Maybe it's like... They're sociopaths. I have no clue.

I would love to have that type of arrogance because in my mind, I'd be like... Even if I have to have... done anything wrong. I was like, I'd be like, where is my DNA could, where, what could I have touched somewhere that now puts me in a worse situation? Yeah, but he didn't seem to be all that fucking concerned. Or if he did, I don't know if there's anything he could do, you know, because yeah. So maybe he was freaking out, but. Yeah, I just wonder if he was sweating bullets or if he was like, whatever, they're not going to find anything. I watched one of the interrogations and

well, it was actually just one interrogation, I believe. And he. confessed but it was so slimy to watch really it was like disgusting to watch really it was like upsetting i mean i'll tell you about in a minute i think there's um some notes on it in here if i forget let me know but i'm pretty sure it's in here but he's just a gross person i mean of course he's a gross person based on just what we know so far but it was really unpleasant to watch him try and defend himself um good to know yeah yeah pretty gross so in july sheriffs went to oh but imagine sorry side note you're right because the freaking out about the DNA but then you get sent home and it's like okay they have my DNA how long am i going to be here

till they connect me or two months later am i off the hook maybe they never ran the DNA and it's like knock knock someone's at the door um but again maybe he just wasn't even thinking about it i have no clue so they go over there in july they knock on the front door he of course tries to flee uh and they catch him and they arrest him for outstanding warrants he himself daniel clay was a father who owed child support to his estranged child and the mother. And in addition to that, he was wanted for questioning because he had also been accused of the violent rape of another local woman. Hmm.

Huh. So essentially, he's a dirtbag already. So they're arresting him on all this other shit just so they have him. And then they start questioning him, which is what I watched. And initially they told Daniel he was only being brought in for those child support warrants. And so to put him at ease, right? And so then he starts.

kind of like chilling out a little bit. He thinks he's like, they always think they're like bro-y with the cops, which is like just gross. And then, um, the, the investigator asked or the detective asks, uh, you know, oh, what about this Halloween party? Like, can you walk me through that? Like, you've heard about this situation and stuff. Like, let's talk through that while you're here.

And, um, oh boy, is he suddenly like, sweating a little bit, but not very much. Like, he definitely thinks he can pull one over on these guys. Um, so Daniel confirmed yes he was at the party but he said he didn't even know who Chelsea was didn't recognize her the party was so crowded she wouldn't have even made an impression and he said something stupid like oh I only notice people if they're sexy I only notice women if they're sexy I'm a little shallow like that and it's like wow you're kidding slime ball yeah he's just a gross man um and so he yeah and then way to like kick her while she's down it's like oh and also

she's ugly is that what she is that what he is that what he's he's implying there is like so no because then he eventually walks around to um oh wait her yes i did have sex with her uh yeah and he says like watching this unravel is so pathetic because he's he's like oh my god i don't even know who that is and then all of a sudden he's like well we were having sex in the back of my car and they were like okay so you just said she's a stranger and now all of a sudden you're having sex with her in the back of a car yeah i hope you remember what she looks like Jesus Christ. Well, he's an idiot and he said, oh, well, I thought you was, uh, I thought this Chelsea person

you're talking about was blonde and the person I was with had red hair. And it's like, it's obviously a fucking wig, you idiot. Like, don't pretend to me that, come on. Whatever. So the officers said that Chelsea was wearing a wig and he goes, oh, I didn't know that. Okay. He said that after having sex, the woman got out of the vehicle and walked away. But then the officers were like, and he goes, that's the last I saw ever, the end, you know,

because that's always how they play it. Like, yeah, we had sex. But I would never kill her. uh-huh um so they keep pressing him they're like we don't believe you and he changed his story again this time he says he's driving down the road after the party and he sees chelsea walking alone so he offers her a ride and he says she initiated sex so he pulled over to a secluded spot and he told the officers she did get pretty freaky and like this is again where it's really upsetting to me because i'm like he's trying he starts to try to throw her under the bus by saying like

she wanted sex and it's like hello Like, irrelevant to the fact that you murdered this person. It's not, but... Yeah, we're not talking about that anymore. Slut shaming her right now is not... It's just so gross. And he does that thing, which one of the detectives was like, oh, this is textbook. Like, if once they're framed, they start blaming the victim for, of course, they start

blaming the victim for what happened because there's nowhere else to go. Like, your DNA's on her, you know? 100%. And she's dead, so she can't defend herself. Like, how fucked up is that? So... Yeah, he tells the officers some disturbing stuff. And when asked to elaborate, he said that she smacked him and bit him

and that she then asked to be choked erotically. Again, is this not like such a trope from SVU that he said he was choking her and she accidentally died? She actually wanted all of it. And then her death was her fault because she wanted me to be that rough with her. Yep. I mean, that's literally at least I can think of eight episodes right now. every crime show has done at least three episodes about this concept like is it murder if it was consensual and then we just went a little too far with it yeah no and it's like if you actually hear the statistics or not the statistics like the the the timing on on how long it really takes to do that to a person especially if they're fighting back or conscious like that's bullshit bullshit that's not how that works um so he claims she suddenly died in front of him and he was like oh no and he was like oh no and he He said he pulls her out of the vehicle, tries to perform CPR, okay, but she was unresponsive.

And when he couldn't find a pulse, he panicked. Being drunk and high on drugs, he didn't even consider taking Chelsea to a hospital. He also said his phone was dead. So instead, he abandoned her in a secluded spot. And he said he sat beside her body and sobbed for nearly half an hour. Then he got into his vehicle and drove away. So let's recap. He was sobbing over this person that he didn't actually recognize or remember at all.

right a minute ago okay oh yeah yeah and now now he's like oh but then i accidentally killed her and cried about it i forgot to mention that so we had sex but no nothing like that would happen but actually also i thought she was won but also yeah i've never heard what's a wig i mean please idiot nice try though nice try it's just pathetic so he went to trial for murder on may 8th 2017 which was more than two years after he killed chelsea and of course his defense was that Chelsea's death was an accident. A terrible consequence of consensual sex and alcohol and unsafe sex. And of course, the evidence did not back this up because how did she, remember where Chelsea's

costume was miles away from her body? And he's like, oh, I left her. That's, he doesn't even remember. So she was just naked. That's just, he just left her. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? So he, it was like hidden in an abandoned building her costume.

And more than that, both, apparently both strapped. of her leotard had been cut open and the fabric at her at the crotch of the leotard had been cut open as well and so now we're looking at rape rather than consensual sex to begin with let alone like all the other shit he added to the story which like I hope she haunts I hope he is haunted not by her I hope she has better things to do but I hope he's haunted for eternity with this shit I mean the second that he said oh we had sex I knew exactly what that and exactly like come on it's the same old story every fucking time wasn't he also already in wanted for violent rape.

Yeah. Of a different local girl, a local woman. Yeah, you're there for violent rape and now you're like, we had sex, but I don't remember her. It's like, oh. But she wanted me to be violent. Right. But she actually died while having sex with me. But I'm here for violent rape, but don't think of that as violent rape.

But that's different. Yeah. It just be, it boggles the mind, really. Wow. So super sick, super, super sick. Chelsea's Remains also disputed Daniel's alleged cause of death because the medical examiner this is dark guys determined that Chelsea was actually beaten to death oh my god yeah and not that you know anything would have been bet but just makes it even more violent brutal intentional um

her jaw was broken in half oh i know and her eye socket was fractured her she had missing teeth and she had endured some extreme violence at the end of her life it was not an accidental strangulation yeah no this was not accident yeah no and he can't even pretend um although they tried because Daniel's defense team claimed that the skull fractures were post-mortem injuries sustained when Daniel put logs on top of Chelsea's remains, which is just a wild defense to take. But they were like, that's not, that's nothing. How did they defend him at for saying he didn't actually know who she was, but he also was able to, he put fucking logs on a person, didn't remember her? I imagine you'd say something like, I plead the fifth, you know.

Sure. I don't think you have anything, or she did it. You know, it's like I don't even know wet better defense you could have. So on May 16th, the jury deliberated for less than three hours, and then they declared Daniel Clay guilty of felony murder and concealing the death of an individual. In Michigan, the felony murder conviction carries a mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. Following Daniel's sentencing, Chelsea's mother released a letter about her daughter's death. She referenced her publication choices, which she printed and distributed on cards alongside

photos of Chelsea. Choices is a short call to action to choose to do good in the world instead of commit harm and to respond when you see someone else committing harm. She wrote, we have become a nation that lives in fear. We turn away and choose to ignore things we don't feel involve us. These are choices we need to change. We have to have the light outshine the dark. People don't need to endanger themselves. But if we see things that are not right or it looks questionable, please call 911. Yes, we will feel a bit foolish. if we are wrong, but how are we going to feel if we were right and didn't call? You can't change woulda, coulda, shoulda. Yeah. Gives me the shivers. So important note, you know, as we end this

story, just so, so sad. Leanda said that choices wasn't just about Chelsea and her murder, but about everyone working together as a community. Like you were saying earlier, this guy's trying to build community and somebody does the opposite, right? And like immediately. Ruins the trust, the anything, yeah. And so, I will say it wasn't immediate. You know why? Because he had been doing this party for years. This was just the first year that it went out of control.

Like, this was the biggest one yet. And it's like the wrong fucking people started showing up. It's moments like this where I realize why some people have like a cap on how many people can come to a party. You would think, oh, it's a party. Anyone's invited. And it's like, oh, actually I've really. Have you heard Aaron's party, the song? Actually, you're totally right.

I should have learned this a long time ago. What about your mother's vision? what are you going to do about that you're totally right i um i totally ignored the lesson that was the moral of that story um and also like i want to be invited to a cool party at aaron carter's house that was my other one anyway okay so that that's uh the story um leanda also said that choices wasn't about chelsea but everyone working together as a community like I said to intervene in and stand up against acts of violence especially I fucking assholes like this who keep doing it and yeah oh god yeah but he looked like such a fucking

like in that interview interrogation he's sitting there like being all smug and saying gross stuff about how she wanted it is certain way I mean it's just fucking gross like yeah go to jail go to prison like I only I only pay attention to hot girls oh wait she was a hot girl because I had oh right yeah and also she wanted me to hurt her so it's not my fault but also I didn't hurt her so I don't know what happened but also I don't remember her

I did put logs on her I don't remember her though yeah but also every step of the way was just I don't need to be so repetitive about it I'm just like so flabbergasted at the like it's flabberg it's shocking you're totally right because earlier I was like oh how did he react when he got found out and all that it just seems to be

total like nonplussed like just like bright word. I don't know if I've ever said that out loud. He just popped into my head. No, but it's exactly right. It's like he just, it's like not even. It's like barely phased by it. Like, come on.

Yeah. That's, I feel like that's a trait of like being a psychopath, like a violent psychopath. I feel like there's that trait of, because I remember reading, I go through phases where I like read books about psychopathy and stuff. Would you know? Because in grad school, I did that story or that, that, that, what was it? No, right, maybe you don't even remember. No, it was a, yeah, it was in Paul, what was his name, Paul Schaefer? Is that his name or something?

It, it, I didn't like him. No, I hated him. Yeah, I liked him, but he, uh, he gave me an A on that presentation. Maybe that's why I liked him, but I gave me a lot of non-A's, which is why I don't like him. Um, but I remember, like, reading a book and they said something like, you won't, you can't understand that brain of like a violent psychopath. Like, they, especially in a scenario, like, they, especially in a scenario, like this like they don't get freaked out or like scared yeah it's like they're just like whatever you know i don't know it's just totally apathetic to it or whatever yeah and it's like of course

there's a fear of getting caught like they don't want to get caught but it's like there's just a lack of like real like deep down i don't know guilt or terror or like feelings i don't know it's just creepy but yeah he's just a fucking douche he's just a gross man i'm really it's gross man um so anyway sorry to ruin everyone's day thank you for listening and happy november we're getting close to a certain song oh we are oh man this is the first year i'll remember actually i was gonna say i was like do you know what you're about to say because i'm ready to break into the song i was as shocked as you were when i said it well yeah yeah well yeah thank you everybody if you um want more of this go

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