And That's Why We Drink - E460 Haunting Snap Chats and Screening Calls from Space

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

Happy long weekend, everyone! It's episode 460 and we're so sorry to report that life got in the way this week so we weren't able to record a new episode. We're going to start building in weeks off so... you'll have a heads up when this happens in the future but in the meantime, please enjoy (or skip, that's OK too!) a very late-night, slap-happy live show from our very first time in Houston! Em tells us spooky tales from the Hotel Galvez and Christine covers the wild story of astronaut Lisa Nowak. We may even catalogue everything in our first ever Buc-ee's carts... and that's why we drink! Go to http://helixsleep.com/drink for 27% Off Sitewide. Exclusive for listeners of And That's Why We DrinkFor a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off your first month’s subscription plus free shipping when you go to http://nutrafol.com  and enter the promo code DRINK. Magnesium, multiplied. 10 forms for total support. Go to https://qualialife.com/DRINK to get 50% off and save an extra 15% with the code DRINK. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to http://RocketMoney.com/drink today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:14 Knock, knock. It's Santa. Just kidding. But it's someone who's going to be buying a lot of presents for Christmas. And I don't have to worry about where I'm shopping because we are working with uncommon goods, which I'm very excited about this. I found out that they were one of our sponsors. I was like, this is going to be the easiest endorsement I've ever done my entire life.
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Starting point is 00:02:28 Hey, everyone. I might be making some of you a bit mad right now, and I really apologize. I brought my recording equipment with me to Thanksgiving, fully intending to record an episode. But then on the first or second night, we were here, Leona got very sick overnight. Then I, of course, contracted whatever she had, and things just kind of went to shit. So it's my fault. I flubbed it, but we did not get an episode recorded in time for this week and we're releasing a live episode. I know that a lot of you really don't like these. And I'm sorry, moving forward, we're going to start building in a few weeks off through the year just to kind of give us a little bit of buffer when things arise like this illness, travel mishaps,
Starting point is 00:03:11 what have you, so that we're not scrambling last minute. And we wanted to, you know, be transparent and give you that heads up. We also want to say thank you for all of you sticking around, even if you're frustrated by the live episodes. I get it. I'm a podcast listener, and I know that disappointment when an episode doesn't come out and something different comes out instead on your feed. So if you are not feeling it, please no hard feelings. Just delete the episode, and I promise we'll be back next week.
Starting point is 00:03:42 And I have not forgotten about our redo of the Thanksgiving song. And after that, I think we have another little ditty coming soon for Christmas time. So don't worry. I'm getting my pipes warmed up for that. And you will not be rid of me and my beautiful singing voice. Okay. Thanks for being here. Thanks for supporting us, even when things get hard and confusing and complicated. We love you. And for everyone who is celebrating Thanksgiving, have a wonderful holiday. If you're having big feelings this time of year, we're sending lots of love your way and support and solidarity. And we're just really thankful. you're here along for the ride with us. So on to the live show, and otherwise we'll see you next week. Bye. Oh, I almost hurt myself on this chair earlier, so I have to be really careful. Hey, Houston.
Starting point is 00:04:58 We're still here. We're still here. Shout out to the people from the previous show who want... Holy shit. Who want to watch us a second time? Why? Why? Lord.
Starting point is 00:05:13 You're crazy. You're crazy. Oh, I left my notes up here. Oopsies. Well, for the people who... Still leave those down there. the people who were at the previous show you're going to hear us talk about it again but for the new people we tried buckies today and we had a blast we spent our life savings well i went in there
Starting point is 00:05:39 so thank you for funding our bucky's shopping trip today we we went in and i saw shopping carts and i was like ironically jokingly i was like oh christina i'm gonna i'm gonna get a shopping cart so i feel like I'm really shopping here. And then like 10 minutes later, there was like 50 things in my car. We like met in an aisle. We like met in an aisle with our shopping carts. And they were like pile. Yeah. What have we done?
Starting point is 00:06:02 I was like, remember that time I thought I wasn't going to buy anything and now there's nothing left? They had tie-dye. There was no win for you there. We got snacks. I got my hat. You got a shirt. I got a shirt. I got a shirt. I got boxers. We got it all. Listen. Texas is pretty great. Treating us nice.
Starting point is 00:06:21 Oh, we like it. We like it. We do have to, we have to say, we found our rough patch in Texas in general. We do not know how to drive in your area. No. And the, your highways have very short ramps. Yes. And many of them next to each other.
Starting point is 00:06:41 And many, many, many, many, many large, large trucks. That won't let you have to solve. They have places to be. We've spent three days in Texas now. It feels like an eternity. We've been on the road for a long time, it feels like. And I've been chauffered everywhere. I haven't driven the car once.
Starting point is 00:07:02 But between Christine and Eva, I've been like the GPS guru. No, false. And I was like, okay, turn now. And I was like, oh, never mind. You missed it. We already missed it. There's like six turns. One's like a do not enter.
Starting point is 00:07:18 There's like a U-turn lane. And we're not used to the U-turn thing. What the fuck is going on here? I don't know. I mean, we're used to you turns, but not like the... We're used to parking on the highway in Los Angeles, so... Yeah. We're used to just sitting in traffic and not moving at all.
Starting point is 00:07:31 And now we're going 1,000 miles an hour with a bunch of trucks. It's really good and really safe. What else have we done? I mean, we did another show. This is our first time doing a double feature, so let's see what happens. Yeah. We have no idea what's going to happen. But I still have one.
Starting point is 00:07:50 so it could go many different ways we'll find out I was saying earlier it's I mean usually if you listen to one of our episodes and we sound a little daze and confused it's because we've been recording all day and it's like the last one we can pump out of ourselves yeah but so like if we sound
Starting point is 00:08:06 a little out of it at the end it's I mean you're going to hear some nonsense out of me I'll tell you that the first episode wow the first show that we did tonight I was just like Eva had to come up three minutes in and fix the computer. It was like, or fix the slideshow. It was the wrong slideshow, one.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Two, I didn't know that three feet did not equal 18 inches. Oh, my. No, and you also didn't know that by three feet you meant three stories. It was a whole thing. Yeah, oh, I said someone fell a whole three feet, but he fell three floors. 18 inches. Look, if that was the first one, I'm sorry for what you're about to hear it. night. We can't promise
Starting point is 00:08:50 really anything, so I'm just going to shut up. But thank you guys for having us, and we're very stoked to be here. And this was our first experience in general in Texas. Yeah, it is, and we love it.
Starting point is 00:09:06 It's loud, and it's large. It lives up to the hype. And we had Waterburger, it was amazing. Waterburger, yes. That was. Very good. Very, very good. So thank you. You guys are putting on quite a wonderful city for us. Like, you're setting the bar very high for the rest of our tour.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Let's put it that way. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So that being said, I want to start you guys off right, and not like the last episode. Episode? Yeah, where I was like, Eva, get up here. I can't do this.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Hang on. See, I can't. I warned you. So, okay, so the first thing we're going to do, which I think everyone's pretty excited about. if you're not applaud anyway, because I have anxiety. You're such a panderer. God damn.
Starting point is 00:09:54 We're going to start with a little drinking game. So the goal is to get smashed. And some of you, a lot of you, were here already for the first round of this. Including me. Some people have already played this game, so you guys have to catch up. One of those people is me still
Starting point is 00:10:16 Okay, so drink once of Christine gasps Uh-huh Uh-huh Very rare occurrence Drink once for listen Listen Drink once for Fun fact
Starting point is 00:10:30 Which is not fun at all Never, never Drink also once for Sure Shishishishish and any reference to us sweating which is probably going to happen Literally always Drink twice for hello
Starting point is 00:10:43 all right they were primed from the first show yeah the people in the first show already heard us say we don't know if they're going to say it or not so let's do the hand thing maybe they'll get it come on also drink twice for it's just funny honestly
Starting point is 00:10:58 I mean honestly truthishly it's just fucking funny truthishly Megan God, is that my new... First I went for... I finally escaped Sassy
Starting point is 00:11:15 and I'm fucking Megan. Yeah. You brought this upon yourself. Don't look at me. It's just funny how that happened. So, drink twice if we talk about the sweet baboo. Aww.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Little pitty-bitty puppy dupilis. So... My sweet baby. I'm sure he'll come up because there's... Christine and I have never had a conversation without bringing him up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:36 Drink twice. for any time we tell Eva what to do. And based on the last show we did, that's why everyone's drunk. It happened three minutes in. Also, other than the drinking game, I do like to start off with something adorable because that's not how this show usually ends.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Right. We want to, like, trick you. So let's just slowly wean you in with some babies. Aw. So I do the slides, which means that I wanted to be really visually creative. when I first thought that this was like the epitome of creativity. Six pictures together.
Starting point is 00:12:15 Getty's stock images. From stock photo. And so I was like, I'm going to post pictures of wine and milkshakes. And since we're usually an audio show, no one's ever had visuals before, so I'm just going to nail it. Right. And then, so I got these pictures off of Google when I typed in, people drinking milkshakes. It wasn't that hard of a search. You can do it, too.
Starting point is 00:12:37 And it's precious, but then if you delete the word milkshake and replace it with wine, and it just says people drinking wine in Google, this is what comes up. And so I started this project with like, oh, and then I was like, oh. And it hasn't gone away since. And in case Em's head is blocking it, these women are heavily, heavily pregnant. Third trimester pregnant. And this is a very, very tiny child. And Christine's in the tub.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Whatever you say, eh? So, um, I am going to just crack on into a story for you. Woohoo! My mantra for this winter is rest. You need to sleep to heal, especially during cold and flu season, and it's just you know, it's hibernation season. That's why I love staying home on my Helix mattress. I do spend a lot of time there, as you all know. I've tried to stop working from bed. I've heard that that's really not great for your sleep hygiene. So I've had to regretfully move to my office. But I spend a lot of time in bed. Don't you worry. I still read there. I still drink coffee there. I still ignore my earthly problems there. Helix has a sleep quiz that matches you with a perfect mattress based on your sleep preferences and sleep needs. It makes it really
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Starting point is 00:16:19 Thanks to Qualia for sponsoring this episode. Now that I've shown you the Q and the funny. Now I'm really facing out. Hold on. I need to find the perfect ratio. See my good side. Are you good? There we go. This is really casual.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Christine has only one side that has a dimple, so show them your dimple. There it is. Precious. M never lets me stand on that sign. Also, hang on. Classic of me. I've lost my notes. I also, I wanted to be clear that, like, when we tell you we don't know what we're talking about, ever.
Starting point is 00:16:56 That's not a fun schick. It's not a schick. It's real life. Yeah. Okay. here's the unscripted someone's very entertained
Starting point is 00:17:06 that is long moment of silence someone is a big fan of mine and I like it so this is the unedited version because Eva can't edit this live so good luck to whatever you hear tonight this is the story of and let me know if you know of it
Starting point is 00:17:24 the Hotel Galvez wow I think they have never heard of it very very nice of you to humor me if you don't know some people said I some live there I don't know you live there I guess they leave like Zach and Cody okay I don't know just keep talking out people have experienced it I think there's a lot of waving we don't know things have happened
Starting point is 00:17:51 all right so the Hotel Galvest we're impressed though by whatever it was that you did there all right oh look how old and creepy it is. That is so cool. So it is located in Galveston. Why did you say it like you've never heard of Galveston?
Starting point is 00:18:12 Because I don't know, like I know geography. I didn't, I mean, I wanted to make sure it was like close to here. Oh, I don't know where it is. Close enough. So it's a massive hotel right on the beach, as you cannot see. Never mind. I'll show you that picture later. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:31 and we'll dive right into a fun fact that it is the... Wait, there's a beach here? Sorry, now I'm the ignorant one. The fuck? You'll see the pictures later. Okay, okay, okay. We'll get there. I trust you.
Starting point is 00:18:45 We'll get there whenever we do. I'm not sure when. I'll go on the journey with you. The fun fact is the building is the oldest and most haunted hotel in Galveston. Cool. And it has been on the show's Ghost Stories and Ghost Lab. Not Ghost Adventure. Not Bagel Bytes, no.
Starting point is 00:19:01 not that I know of in the 1800s oh yeah it gets sad really fast oh yeah in the 1800s on this property
Starting point is 00:19:15 there were several orphanages oh my were uh oh what what do you mean were I'll tell you I don't know so there were orphanages on Galveston Island
Starting point is 00:19:29 so now in 1900 Why is that funny? I'm just kidding. You can be horrible. It's fine. So in 1900, there was a storm called the 1900 storm. Shut the fuck up. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:19:49 And during this storm, oh, never mind. That's what it looks like now. Oh, I was like, what a beautiful storm. I had a beautiful. What a beautiful. I said switch slides, and I felt unsure, but I tried. it and it didn't work. La la la.
Starting point is 00:20:06 So during the 1900 storm, there was one specific orphanage called St. Mary's Orphan's Asylum. I don't like how that sounds. Yowsa. During the storm, that orphanage was destroyed, killing
Starting point is 00:20:23 90 children. Oh, no. Of 93 children. Oh, no. Are you kidding me? and 10 nuns. Yikes. You guys need to care more about the nuns. No one said, oh, about that one.
Starting point is 00:20:38 There weren't 90 of them either, though. I know. So 100 people in total. Yikes. That's terrible. Trying to save the kids. No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Oh, no. The nuns cut clothesline into pieces like rope to tie around each kid's waist and their own, and then they tried to swim all 90 children together. out of this flood which like by the way I know I say thanks priest
Starting point is 00:21:07 but go fucking nuns yeah holy crap however it potentially caused all of them to die faster so it backfired because they all got
Starting point is 00:21:21 tangled up together and drowned in one mass so a lot of the bodies obviously were found together in one big pile and oh my the bodies were
Starting point is 00:21:34 probably they can't be sure because there were so many they I don't think they kept track but allegedly some of the bodies are buried on the property where the hotel is now oh boy so the storm destroyed the entire island and the residents
Starting point is 00:21:48 wanted to rebuild no matter what and they ended up rebuilding the area as of June 1911 so she's a Gemini and the hotel Galvez was erected June 1911, so. All right. It was named after, ooh, it's
Starting point is 00:22:06 a Spanish word, and I don't know it. It's named after Count Bernardo de Galvez and Madrid. Really? It has the word Madrid and Galvez. The hotel was nicknamed the Queen of the Gulf
Starting point is 00:22:26 because it overlooked the Great Sea Wall and Gulf of Mexico. Ooh, ah. It was also nicknamed the playground of the Southwest because the hotel was so prestigious and it became the hotel for the elite upper class.
Starting point is 00:22:41 Okay. Guests included Howard Hughes, Frank Sinatra, Jimmy Stewart, General MacArthur, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, and Lyndon B. Johnson. Wow. Fancy.
Starting point is 00:22:55 In the 1950s, oh yeah, it gets sad again. So in the 1950s, there was a bride-to-be. Oh, boy. There always is at a hotel, isn't there? There always is. Her name was Audra, and she was a guest at the hotel while her fiancé was out to sea. She was staying in room 501, and she would take the elevator to the eighth floor and climb the ladder up to the roof, and on the roof, she would watch and look out to the sea and wait for her fiancé to come home.
Starting point is 00:23:24 Oh, no. and after a storm not the 1900 storm a new one the 1950 25 storm after a storm adra heard that the ship had
Starting point is 00:23:39 wrecked and all were lost or dead oh no and after a week after grieving she couldn't take it anymore and she ended up hanging herself in her bathroom oh god in room 501 okay it gets sadder
Starting point is 00:23:54 yikes a week after her death Audra's fiancee was rescued oh oh no and came home to the hotel to look for her that is some
Starting point is 00:24:12 Romeo and Juliet shit right there so her name is quote lovelorn lady that's the ghost's name okay and she is the most famous spirit at Hotel Galvez, especially on the fifth floor since that's where she passed away. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:32 There you go. There it is. So that's what it looks like today. Okay. There, oh, yeah, so now we're going to talk about the ghost. That was easy, right? All right. So there is a spirit of a little girl who guests and staff have both seen wearing early 1900s clothing and bouncing a ball.
Starting point is 00:24:52 there's a lot of kids that I don't know why she's bouncing a ball but keep in mind there's a lot of leave her alone she finally she's got something that keeps her entertained for eternity so I'm not going to judge her but keep in mind since this was also
Starting point is 00:25:07 the place where all the orphans passed away a lot of the ghosts are kids right so oh dear it's really fun trying to make everyone laugh when I talk about dead children oh yeah dead orphans welcome to my world baby.
Starting point is 00:25:23 So, staff have reported seeing this little girl near the gift shop on the staircase and on multiple floors, always with her bouncy ball. She is often seen by construction workers, especially recently when they were renovating the basement, and the workers had to call the front desk
Starting point is 00:25:39 every morning and say that there was a girl running around in the construction zones where she could get hurt, and the front desk had to be like, oh, she can't get hurt, she's dead. Holy shit. Don't worry. She's fine. You're more in danger than her. Yikes.
Starting point is 00:25:59 Children are heard all over the hotel, doing all of the creepiest things, such as singing, humming, giggling, playing in groups, talking to each other, and touching us. Like, us. So, yeah. Oh. And then also on the third floor, that is where most of the spirits of children are the most active. The front desk also gets complaints of kids running down the halls at night and knocking on doors and playing basically like dash. What's the name? Ding don't don't. M was clearly a rebellious
Starting point is 00:26:36 child. I don't know much. Dash. The dash game. Well, I mean, there was no bells. I think you just order a lot of food on door dash and that's why. I can't instinctively. Say you're wrong. You're not wrong. I know. Yeah. So they often knock on people's doors and then run away before you see them or maybe they're still standing there and you just can't see them. I mean, the choice is yours. Right. So I don't know what's worse. Oh, definitely them still standing there. Never run. Well, that's definitely worse. Actually, today we just checked into a hotel I'm not going to name by the way in Houston. Someone's like, which one? I'm like, please. Nice to try. Someone was like, Oh, which hotel?
Starting point is 00:27:22 Which room? I'm not going to tell you. But we checked in today to our hotel, and I was doing notes that were not for this, but for the future. And there was this instance where one ghost in this hotel happens to knock on your door very loudly and nonstop until you answer it. And, like, knocking like there's an emergency. Like, you definitely check the door. and then you go to the door and either look through the people or open it and nobody's there
Starting point is 00:27:54 and so I was writing that note down and as I finished the sentence my door someone was banging on it that loud and that long like knock knock knock knock knock knock and so I got up and looked through the people and while it was still knocking no one was there like as I finished the sentence it was like the most vision board thing of my life
Starting point is 00:28:15 I was like, if you bring a goddamn ghost on this tour, I swear, because I can't handle it. Yeah, that was like four hours ago today. Yeah, so I'm really stoked to like go back and try to go to sleep tonight. Anyway, that was a fun little anecdote about my life. So these children, the spirits will also play in the lobby on the piano, and they've been known to knock items off tables and counters. and try to throw pillows at guests.
Starting point is 00:28:47 At least they're pillows. They're having fun, though, it sounds like. You could throw anything, and you're throwing pillows. That's a very nice ghost. Yeah, yeah. Okay, this is kind of sad. Women hear these children the most often. Like, they usually come forward to women.
Starting point is 00:29:03 And when women report that they've heard the spirits of children, they always know that they were kids because they hear children saying, are you my mommy? Oh. and being called mommy. You're saying like, hi, mommy.
Starting point is 00:29:21 No. But also way sad. They're like looking for a parent. Oh, very sad. And we're orphans. Terribly said. It's very sad. So,
Starting point is 00:29:31 let's travel back to room 501 where the lovelorn lady resides. Oh, yeah. It's 501 is one of the most haunted rooms in the hotel, since that's where she hanged herself, and people have seen her walking through the halls. They've seen her sitting on their bed while they're sleeping,
Starting point is 00:29:49 of course. And they often see shadow figures walking out of their closets and television sets, like the ring. Ah! I literally had a dream I was in the ring last night. I, listen, all of this nightmare stuff. Just nightmares all the time. Tell them about your dream. No, I already did. There was a lady with a bent neck and she was crawling under the bus seat. and then M told a story about like a bent neck and I was like, ah! It was a whole thing you had to be there. I was also in the ring and saw
Starting point is 00:30:27 in the same dream sequence. And the Twilight Zone. That one was kind of fun. Yeah. I woke up this morning and saw Christine downstairs and I was like, how did you sleep? And she's like, hmm, not good. And then she just listed all of these nightmares and she was like, yeah, all of them were together in one dream. I woke up and really slept.
Starting point is 00:30:45 So that's the toll this job takes. Just thinking about the ring, dreaming about the ring. I give up a lot for you guys. I have to deal with people knocking on my door. To be fair, in Dallas, my hotel phone was ringing, and I picked up and no one was there. Less creepy because someone probably got a wrong number. We've been doing this for so long now. We've assumed everything's a ghost.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Well, I assume everyone's a murder. You know, you know how it goes. Oh, yeah. The dead woman. Oh, yeah, let's stop talking about ourselves for a minute. That's why I have a podcast. So people have seen the, she's also known as the woman in white. She is often seen also with these children, which is like kind of like a crossover.
Starting point is 00:31:35 She like adopted them. Maybe. That would be adorable, wouldn't it? Yeah. Eva, write that down. Eva. It's like the others, but the spinoff. So, if you haven't seen the movie, it does make sense.
Starting point is 00:31:48 I haven't, but I was going to pretend, but. That's fine. I think you pretend I'm funny often, so. Yeah, so she's also known to bring a cold breeze wherever she goes. She will cry in your bathroom. That's not. That part's not. I take it back.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Which is way inconvenient. No. She will also cry in your ear while you're sleeping. She will slam the doors and she will turn TVs and lights on and off. The front desk attendants have had problems getting the keys to that hotel room to ever work. They always, like, demagnetized.
Starting point is 00:32:27 And there are reports of humming and strange light coming out from under the door of room 501 when no one is supposedly there. Ooh. Ooh. There are also reports of the phones not working in the room. if you're in the room and your phone is called somebody else will answer
Starting point is 00:32:45 and you don't know like your phone has been silent the whole time and someone later will be like who picked up the phone that's gross also your text won't go through which is less scary I mean it's still scary in this world in 2019
Starting point is 00:33:01 in our mindset's terrifying right your snapchats won't load it's just oh talk about trauma And then there's also EVPs of Audra, the woman in white, giving intelligent responses. For example, when asked what happened to you, a spirit box has gotten her saying both the words bathroom and rope. Oh, no. She has also said the word drawer on the spirit box, which draw.
Starting point is 00:33:34 What? I heard someone say draw. Dore. Dore. A drawer. You get it. um charades let's play that now um so she's said drawer on the spirit box and it ended up basically if people have seen that they go check the drawer and see what's in there and it's always books that have been written about her and once you've gotten to once you're like looking at the books and flipping through if you ever get to the page where it starts talking about her fiancee the spirit box will say the word rescued so it's like she's like she's She knows.
Starting point is 00:34:10 Terrible. Oh, that looks like a trash can right there. So this is a bathroom. I know you can't really tell. The colors are kind of funky. But it's a stall in the doors open. You get it. You've seen a bathroom.
Starting point is 00:34:22 I hope. So, apparently the first floor bathroom is super duper haunted. So one guest was actually by the pool. This is only one anecdote, but this has happened multiple times. One guest was by the pool and came. in to use the bathroom on the main floor. While she was in the stall, all the lights went out. And this was before, like, motion-censored lights.
Starting point is 00:34:46 So all of them went out, and she, while she's still in the stall, by the way, she heard heavy footsteps of someone wearing boots on the bathroom floor walking around outside the stall, but she can't see any feet. She just hears what sounds like people walking. And then she hears heavy breathing. Oh. And then she hears a man say, get. out.
Starting point is 00:35:09 No. Honestly, like, if that were real, too, that would be fucking, even more fucking terrifying. Oh, yeah. God damn. I mean, I mean, that's like, that's paranormal and true crime. Yeah, that's like our podcast. The ultimate terror crossover. It's like which one is it and which am I less afraid of?
Starting point is 00:35:27 Yeah. So she just bolted out of the stall and there was no one in the bathroom. Oh, my God. She ran to security and they said, oh, yeah, that's normal. and then she had them look through surveillance and nobody either followed her into the bathroom or left after her. So no one was there.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Do we know who that was? Just a pervy ghost? Just a pervy ghost. Oh, all right. All right. There are also several hauntings in the lobby bathroom from children because I told you those were just running everywhere.
Starting point is 00:36:03 They like to laugh and they like to laugh at you. And knock on the stall while you're sitting on the toilet. Also terrible, if it were real. And the worst of it all. Uh-oh. They like to steal toilet paper. See, so you're in for a world or hurt.
Starting point is 00:36:22 Children are just the worst sometimes, aren't they? All right. Very spooky, very spooky. Rocking chairs. Yeah, that's the spooky part. So employees feel someone staring at them in the halls and in the alleyways, which of course you feel someone's staring at you in alleyways. Always. I mean, that's just part of the experience, I think.
Starting point is 00:36:43 There is a painting of a man whose eyes supposedly follow you wherever you go. Love it. The staff say there is a man in the corner of the laundry room that stands there and watches you do laundry. Everyone's got a thing. I got locked out of my hotel room doing laundry last night, so. worse things could happen and he also likes to break down the new machines
Starting point is 00:37:11 so there's no reason for like brand new equipment to be breaking down it always does so he's also a dick yeah he sounds like an asshole in the restaurant part of the hotel candles blow out and the dishes break in cabinets for no reason you just open
Starting point is 00:37:28 the cabinet and they're all shattered that's so so inconvenient I just wanted to eat my breakfast and shatter glass. It's a really passive aggressive way to say, like, I want different plates in here. Yeah. It's like, oh no, they're broken.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Oops. Staff members also report seeing an old-fashioned maid and a man walking through the guest room and then disappearing. Sometimes they are by themselves and sometimes they are together. So, it's like a hot and cold relationship, I think. Okay. Management has also said
Starting point is 00:37:59 that the spirits are not mean or harmful. They're just jokesters. I don't know. After that bathroom story between the bathroom and breaking plates and the fact that they, Christine, you're not going to think they're jokesters after this. I don't, okay.
Starting point is 00:38:13 They break entire cabinets full of wine glasses. That ain't a jokester. If they don't think I'm just going to drink out of a bottle, I don't know. Like, a nice try, dick ghost. You can't stop me. That's sad.
Starting point is 00:38:31 That makes me sound troubled. They also like I said, not just breaking down the laundry machine equipment, but they break down just about all the equipment in the hotel. And they also have guests leaving earlier than expected. So I don't know why the management is saying this is funny. Like you're losing clientele. The doors slam shut all on their own.
Starting point is 00:38:53 And windows sound like their glass is breaking, which is, I've never heard of that before. Yeah, that's a new one. They don't shatter, but they sound like they're on the verge of shattering. And clean bedrooms will get messied. or messy bedrooms will get cleaned. I like that one. Well, 50% of the time you do.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Yeah, it's like a gamble. It's like intentionally keep your room disgusting. I do always wonder though, like if I, if like, you know, the cleaning staff, I wonder if you could get away with like not cleaning and being like, I clean that room. I swear to God. I always wonder, or like the other way, if you actually did clean the room. I bet in a hotel. Like, I don't know how they keep track.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Oh, I never thought about surveillance. I don't know. I bet if you go to a hotel that's like notoriously haunted, you could absolutely get away with a lot of shit. Just be like, oh, no, I definitely didn't clog the toilet. Every time you tell a story about a ghost that drinks all the liquor, I'm like, I don't know. Don't charge me for that.
Starting point is 00:39:52 That's very convenient. I'm not saying I emptied the fridge. I'm just saying all the bottles are in my purse by accident. So where were we? lost my... Sorry, it's... Classic. This is the stuff that gets edited out, and you guys think that we're so smooth
Starting point is 00:40:13 sailing, right? They don't think that. Nobody thinks that. Oh, here we are. I found it. Don't worry. We're fine. We're fine. Down by the beach, people also report seeing several nuns walking up and down the shore during upcoming
Starting point is 00:40:29 storms. Oh, my God. To warn you. That's so awful. Like, don't be me. it's believed that the main nun that everyone sees it's believed that that is the ghost of Sister Catherine she was the devout nun who actually had the idea to try and tie all the kids together
Starting point is 00:40:50 which like it didn't work but that was a smart idea in an emergency like there's 90 children and 10 of us what are we going to do? Yeah that's very sad yeah so she tried so she's on the beach great but now she's still protecting people technically. At least she gets to walk on the beach
Starting point is 00:41:07 every day. Only when it's stormy out. Forgot that tiny detail. So this is the beach I was telling you you would say eventually. Oh, beautiful. Okay, okay, okay. And a postcard.
Starting point is 00:41:21 I see you here. Galveston, wherever we are. It's Texas's finest seaside resort hotel. Beautiful. So the last story I have is basically one giant quote. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:40 It's from a guy named Timmy. Is that like your cousin or something? Yeah, Timmy. That guy. He's always around there. Good old Timothy. So Timmy, I got this from a news article. I mean, all these people did do a lot of things at this hotel.
Starting point is 00:42:00 Remember, they were all like, what? The hotel. Yeah. You're right. I know, Timmy, for real. I'm not going to judge it. So, this guy named Timmy, and I don't know anything else about him, is that he was staying in room 507, which shares a wall with 505,
Starting point is 00:42:16 which happens to be one of the most haunted rooms. So this whole thing is now one big quote, but it's a long one. So bear with me. Buckle up. Buckle up. No, we don't do this again. Okay. We invented a phrase in an upcoming episode, and we keep saying it,
Starting point is 00:42:31 and no one gets it because we haven't released the episode yet. so it's just like an inside joke that we think we all have but you don't you'll figure it out one day it's called knuckle and buckle yeah we invented it it's hilarious isn't it trademarked trademark it means like white knuckle it's like because i was white knuckling she says it listen coming up in the future you're going to get a really wildly fucked up story from christine oh yeah and uh and i was telling her i was like white knuckling listening to it and i was like oh i'm buckled up and white knuckle Knuckle and buckle. But so now it's become a thing that we say when we're not performing.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And so now we just, now we've accidentally said it while we were on stage. And you know everyone stared at us like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's extra funny when we explain it for five minutes. Right. That makes it, that's when you know a joke is like really good. Whoopsies. So, oh yeah, back to Timmy. His story is very important.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Okay, okay, okay. So this is a whole, whole quote. Okay. I felt so he was in room 507 I felt stared at the whole time no matter where I was in the room there was always someone watching me from behind
Starting point is 00:43:44 I read it I read a book in bed for a half an hour before I fell asleep I woke up in the middle of the night to a bizarre sound almost as if someone were wearing a dress and walking over leaves it had a swish swish sound that's a very specific I thought about making that like me and that's why we draw and I was like I can't imagine
Starting point is 00:44:02 a swish over leaves Anything beyond like basketball nets getting sent to me. That's a good point. I turned on the lamp beside me, but I couldn't see anything amiss in the room. The window was shut, the air conditioning unit was off, everything seemed fine. I figured it must have been someone in the hallway
Starting point is 00:44:19 walking past my door, so I turned off the light and fell back asleep. A little while later, I woke up to the same sound, but it sounded like it was right beside me in my room. When I turned on the light, I was shocked to see a woman in my room. she had messy blonde hair and a thin cotton dress on
Starting point is 00:44:36 at first nothing seemed unnatural about her famous last words except she was in my bedroom in the middle of the night when I first saw her I thought I had missed the fact that maybe I had one of those connecting rooms
Starting point is 00:44:48 and she had come into my room by mistake maybe even on a dare valid on a dare that's a weird he was given her every benefit of the day he was anything beyond she's dead but after a second
Starting point is 00:45:03 I registered that the woman seemed to lift off the floor a couple feet from me she had her head tilted back and shrieked in pain as she continued levitating I watched in horror as she descended back onto her feet and seemed to resume a calm
Starting point is 00:45:27 expression. So I was like, Ra! In case you had trouble picturing. In case I was, in case Timmy wasn't a word smith. Yeah. I was friends with Timmy. You have to be careful. I don't know where Timmy is in the world, so. Timmy are doing a great job so far.
Starting point is 00:45:52 Oh, yeah, so she's calm again. Right, right, right. I was about to ask if she was all right. no obviously not when she lifted off the ground again and repeated the same process of screaming and then coming back to the ground fine what
Starting point is 00:46:11 when she lifted again he's still in this fucking room he's like it's probably still truth or dare she's probably still playing truth or dare that's the only thing that makes sense her friends are underneath her light as a feather Light as a feather. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:30 I was about to ask if she was all right. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. She's floating again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could tell she was being lifted up this time and being held by her neck as if there was an invisible rope
Starting point is 00:46:43 wrapped around her throat. This girl was being hanged over and over again in my hotel room in Galveston. No. Was that a happy way to end it? Because the ends. God damn. We're sorry.
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Starting point is 00:49:56 hey guys you ready for some crime oh good okay let's settle in settle in knuckle and buckle knuckle and buckle baby okay you guys I've got a wild one for you today I'm excited about this one this is actually Blaze's suggestion so thanks to Blaze yeah what a good boy
Starting point is 00:50:21 surprises me all the time because he seems so not into it, but he's got all the info. Oh, he came at me in five seconds with this suggestion. This is the story of the astronaut Lisa Nowak. Can you hit next? Can you hit next? Oh, yeah, sorry. I was like, I don't know who that is. There she is.
Starting point is 00:50:45 You don't know who she is? Wow, this is a wild story. I was hoping you didn't know. Okay. Well, you hoped, right. knuckle and buckle. We're trying to make it a thing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:57 Lisa Nowak. Don't worry, I did it earlier. Okay. Lisa Noak was born Lisa Marie Caputo in Rockville, Maryland on May 10th, 1963. Don't worry, she comes to Houston later. When she was six, Lisa watched the Apollo moon landings and knew then that she wanted to be an astronaut.
Starting point is 00:51:17 Oh, I love it. As she grew up, she followed the space. Shuttle program, particularly the introduction of female astronauts. Yeah. It's just so weird to think that there was like an introduction of female astronauts. Right. Okay. A woman working?
Starting point is 00:51:35 What? In 1985, she received her bachelor's in aerospace engineering from the United States Naval Academy. Same. I did the opposite of whatever that is. And then in 1987, she became a naval flight officer before going on to earn both. Okay, bear with me, because I'm just going to say a lot of words right now. Okay. A master's in aeronautical engineering and a degree in aeronautical and astronomical engineering from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Woo! She is a smart cookie. She is a power woman. I love it. Okay. So, in, uh, she, she, come on. Don't spoil it. Look, you know I don't know what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:52:25 I know, that's true. Let me love it for five seconds. She, okay, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, she received a number of words on the Navy and logged over 1,500 hours of flight and over 30 different aircrafts. In 1988, she married a man named Richard Noak, who was a classmate at the U.S. Naval Academy
Starting point is 00:52:42 and Naval Flight School, and they had three children together. So in 1996, her childhood dreamed, came true and she was selected by NASA to join the NASA Astronaut Corps at Johnson Space Center right here in Houston. There it is. So cool. So cool. It is so cool.
Starting point is 00:53:05 I don't have any better descriptor for it than that. Just so cool. Just a childhood dream of becoming an astronaut and it happened. This is so cool. I don't know. No, I used to want to be an astronaut. Well, you also wanted to be a clown, but... One of those things came true.
Starting point is 00:53:22 You did one of those things. And it wasn't get an aeronautical engineering degree. Oh, boy. She went to space on July 4th, 2006, a.k.a. America's birthday. Okay, so let's rewind. So in 2003, Lisa's best friend, fellow astronaut Laurel Clark, was killed in the Columbia. Oh, oops, this gets sad. Was killed in the Columbia disaster of 2003. and she actually helped to take care of Laurel's family after her death
Starting point is 00:53:53 and had that kind of heavy loss hanging over her in the years afterward for obvious reasons. But so she's gearing up for her own space mission in 2006 and it's highly publicized, A, because of the Columbia tragedy and B, you know, because she's a female astronaut, this is like a big deal in the media, and her friend's death is still, you know, kind of looming in her life and the pressure of raising her own children
Starting point is 00:54:15 plus helping raise Laurel's child. and so the stress basically, according to psychologists, started getting to her. For lack of a better phrase. Sure. Yes. So during this time, Lisa and her husband began having arguments so loud and terrible that neighbors started noticing. Dishes were breaking. They were screaming.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Safe to say, the relationship was under tremendous strain. Right, right. Things were not going well. And it's around this time that Lisa meets fellow astronaut Captain Bill O'Flein. So, uh-oh, is right. So they trained together in Canada, M's homeland, and begin an affair. Ooh, saucy. O'Fline had just gotten divorced, but she was technically still married, although separated.
Starting point is 00:55:12 So to add all to the stress, blip, that's not it, words. Listen, English isn't my first language, so sometimes I struggle with reading. Okay. That's fine. We love you. Thank you. I love you too. Okay.
Starting point is 00:55:31 So add to, oh, okay, I get what I was going for. So add to Oliver's stress this affair, right, she's having. And the two of them are technically together for about two years before O'Fline kind of started to distance himself and break it off with her. So O'Fline, who by the way, calls himself Billy O. Oh. Yep. Was at a house party in Orlando in November when he meets an attractive single 29-year-old Air Force captain named Colleen Shipman.
Starting point is 00:56:06 So they form an instant connection and fall for each other. And when Billy goes to space the next month, Colleen is at the launch pad with his family to see him off. he brings with him in space a picture of her a charm necklace, her charm necklace he's like totally smitten with her while he's in space he actually calls her and leaves a voicemail that's romantic as shit I know
Starting point is 00:56:29 and she was like interviewed and she was like yeah the phone rang this is so me she's like the phone ring and I didn't recognize the number so I was like I'm not answering that guys all those numbers we're all ignoring right now might be from space. It's space calling So he literally called her from space, which I was like, ooh, you can't beat that.
Starting point is 00:56:50 No. You literally can't beat that. Okay. Hmm, where were we? Okay. We were romanticizing this phone call from space. Right. Okay, so, he calls her, leaves a voicemail.
Starting point is 00:57:04 It was good she didn't answer because they could play the voicemail. It was cool to hear it, like a voicemail from space. Does it say, like, I'm in space? Yeah. Well, you know, I'm just pit stop. Pit stop at Mars. Yeah. That's how space works, I think.
Starting point is 00:57:22 So, okay. Also, while he's in space, which I didn't know this is the thing. They were exchanging racy emails. You can do that in space. I love this story, by the way. Now I want to be an astronaut. This is cool. Maybe that's kind of why I wanted to be an astronaut.
Starting point is 00:57:43 I had, there was some whimsy too. I sure hope not. Oh, wait, no, not in a... Just keep going. Okay. I meant just email you in general from space. You can explain it if you want. I don't.
Starting point is 00:57:55 I mean, it's fine. Never mind. Okay. Anyway, they're completely in love. Leave it to humans to be like sexting each other in space. Oh, there he is. Wait, don't go yet. There's other things I want to say first.
Starting point is 00:58:10 There's Billy O, look at him. Okay. Nobody's liking Billio. Okay. So, they're completely in love. La, yada, yada, yada. But there is a slight problem. Lisa, as far as we can tell, was still in the picture,
Starting point is 00:58:27 which is maybe why nobody likes Billy O. It is unclear whether he broke up with her before or after his space mission. But I'll tell you what we do know, and that is that during this time, she writes a letter to Billy's parents saying, I love him more than I knew possible. Thank you for being there for me and us. So at the very least, we know she took the relationship very seriously.
Starting point is 00:58:47 She was in contact with his parents. So seemingly things are a little iffy as to the timeline of this. I see. Then at some point, while Billy is still in space, Lisa, who had a key to Billy's apartment, lets herself in. She goes through his computer and stumbles upon these so-called racy emails between him and calling. More like spacey emails. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:59:10 I quit. My kids are going to hate me. Yeah. And I want to take a quick moment to address your anus. No. I didn't know where we were going. I would like to take a moment to address a multitude. I couldn't include them all here.
Starting point is 00:59:40 Just a multitude of fun phrases people sent me. Number one is obviously, let me see Uranus, I got that a lot in the submissions. Number two, can I dock my rocket at your space station? And arguably the most uncomfortable one of all. I want to explore your black hole. You guys are so dirty. And also a couple days ago, another one of our, and that's why we draws,
Starting point is 01:00:17 or Christine's was 1800s dick pick. So, like, we have just been flooded with peen lately. Yeah. A lot, poor Eva, she did not know that was, like, a job descriptor. No. The fact that we often say to her, don't sue us someday, we're joking, but we're not joking. It's really concerning. We're like, please just keep everything as a great.
Starting point is 01:00:41 No, I'm just kidding. Okay, so she stumbles upon these racy emails, and she also stumbles upon a flight itinerary. It stumbles upon she's literally going through his emails. Oh, so she's still digging through his emails. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I see, okay, yes. Between the uranus thing, I know we got lost, but yes,
Starting point is 01:00:58 she's still in the apartment looking through his emails. So it turns out, Billy and Colleen had a romantic weekend in Houston planned. The most romantic place I've heard. It was on that trip that Billy told Colleen he loved her although he also did another thing while they were in the throes of fashion he called her Lisa
Starting point is 01:01:18 Oh no Oh no But Colleen has no clue who Lisa is So at that point she's like That's weird Is that your ex? And he's like Yeah sorry and then they brush it off Oh my gosh
Starting point is 01:01:35 This is just like spiraling into chaos us this story, right? Okay. So she doesn't know who Lisa is, right? So she's like, oh, that wasn't good, but, you know, we're going to move past it because they are in live. So soon after that, he tells Colleen, you know what, I had a talk with Lisa. I told her we're better off his friends and I'm going to be exclusive with you, Colleen. And so he's like, she took that really well. Don't worry. We're done. That was not the case. He's Billy O was full of baloney.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Sounds like it. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't help that. Right around this time, Lisa and her husband officially filed for divorce. So Lisa finds out right as she and her husband are divorcing that Billy is going to leave her for
Starting point is 01:02:27 Colleen exclusively, and she really handles it the opposite of, well. Oh, boy. Which I guess is just bad. I don't know. I think that's the definition, yeah. Sure. So Lisa, this is where we get into it.
Starting point is 01:02:44 So Lisa drives from Houston to Orlando International Airport. At the time of these notes, which was, I don't know, two weeks ago, I didn't write it down, so I don't know why I decided to tell you at the time of these notes. It sounded fancy. At the time of these notes, the distance was 13 hours and 38 minutes from Houston to Orlando. So she drove that entire distance in one go, February 4th through 5th, 2007. And this is a 900-mile trip. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:03:21 A very long drive. Yes. All right. Let's not shout about the story, because I'm telling it. Okay. So with her, if you don't think I'm going to include that, then, I mean, come on. You have no faith in me. Okay. So with her, she has. Ready?
Starting point is 01:03:40 Yeah. Latex gloves, a black wig, a gun with ammunition, a pepper spray, a hooded tan trench coat, a two-pound drilling hammer, black gloves, rubber tubing, plastic garbage bags, approximately $585 in cash, U.S., her computer, an 8-inch folding knife, and Colleen's fly information as well as directions to her house. Oh, my God. So a full-blown kit. Yeah. Like a little bit overboard kit. Like, not even the... Right, like anything can happen.
Starting point is 01:04:13 More than the essentials. Wow. Okay. So she's committed. It's rough. Got it. She gets to Orlando International Airport. The flight is supposed to land at 1 a.m. She waits for about an hour in the baggage claim watching as Colleen waits for her bag. Oh, by the way, this is on security footage. It's very creepy.
Starting point is 01:04:30 You can see her like behind a pole. Ew. Watching Colleen wait for her bag. It's very, very, very disturbing. Yeah. And then you see her go into the bathroom of the airport and change into a disguise, which was her trench coat and the wig she brought.
Starting point is 01:04:47 I don't know what. I guess it's funny. I don't know. And she follows Colleen onto the shuttle to the airport parking garage. And remember it's like two in the morning at this point, so very dark out. And by this point, Colleen has actually noticed her.
Starting point is 01:05:02 So she's like, someone's following me. this woman is eyeing me and then as they get to the actual parking lot Lisa follows her off the shuttle and the shuttle drives away and Colleen is like oh fuck like she's definitely we're in this parking lot alone now
Starting point is 01:05:20 so Colleen starts walking to her car faster and faster she starts basically running manages to jump in the driver's seat and at the second she shuts the door Lisa appears and begins to bang on the window and pull on the handle. So she literally jumped at, like the nightmare version of this
Starting point is 01:05:38 being chased down. So she managed to get herself into the car. Keep in mind, Colleen still has no clue who this person is, right? So she's like, this person. Right, just a random woman. Right, she's just a random woman. You know, she must be troubled
Starting point is 01:05:51 or, like, there's no reason, no godly reason why this woman should be following her. So Lisa is slapping on the window, trying to open the car door, and then she kind of changes her tune and she starts asking for a ride and crying and saying, like, I don't have, like, I need help, I need help, you know. And so Colleen, like, rolls the window down a crack to be like,
Starting point is 01:06:13 are you in trouble? Do you need me to call somebody? And the second the windows rolled down a couple inches, Lisa pulls out her pepper spray and sprays Colleen directly in the face through the window. All right. Oh, rough, man. Okay. So somehow Colleen manages to put the car and drive.
Starting point is 01:06:32 Wow. And, like, kind of drive to the main area where she sees a bus driver and is yelling for help. And so this bus driver runs over. He calls the police from his shuttle. And when the police arrive, they find Lisa stuffing her trench coat and wig into a trash can. Oh, that's not sketchy. Very subtle. And her loaded BB gun, she was also, like, dumping into a dumpster.
Starting point is 01:06:57 So, Lisa is obviously arrested on charges of attempted kidnapping battery, attempted vehicle burglary with battery and destruction of evidence for that trench coat she was shoving into the trash can. Oh, boy. So, she goes to airport jail. Sounds like she should. And she's actually, fun fact. Woo! I love a good fun fact. The first U.S. astronaut ever to be arrested.
Starting point is 01:07:30 Well, good for her. Let alone for a felony. So, obviously, the media immediately jumps on this, right? So virtually instantly, you know, she's this disgraced astronaut. She's this young, beautiful woman. Like, this is just, the media's eating this up. So police make the connection pretty quickly between Colleen and Lisa. and that connection is
Starting point is 01:07:55 Billy O in case you weren't following I was like wait what was it again oh yeah Billy O and Colleen's like oh I've been dating him for three months
Starting point is 01:08:06 and meanwhile Lisa admits that she had been involved with him as well but she's kind of playing it as like oh yeah like I knew him and they were like you can't really like you're literally spraying his girlfriend in the face of pepper spray right right
Starting point is 01:08:20 Um, I'm familiar. Like, you're wearing a wig. Right. I don't know. I'm not saying I know much. I'm just saying I know some. It's just funny. It's just a coincidence.
Starting point is 01:08:34 So she admits that she knows Billio. But she says she had no plan. Like, she didn't plan this out. All she wanted was for Colleen to talk to her. She's not very convincing. I mean, after that kit. They literally found that whole. kitten caboodle in her car.
Starting point is 01:08:52 Right. There's actually a transcript of her interview with the airport police where she explains that she pepper sprayed Colleen because she just wanted her to sit still. Oh my God. Wow. That's just so disturbing. That's just the worst.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Oh! Oh, boy. Oh, well, in that case, I mean, what? Okay. What are they supposed to say? Oh, that makes Oh, we didn't know. Okay. But anyway, the stuff in her car obviously says otherwise. Anyway, she also had a precise trip log, a receipt using an alias, a map of the airport, a shuttle bus schedule, and a hand-drawn diagram of Colleen's neighborhood. So, there's like no talking your way out of this, basically.
Starting point is 01:09:46 But, whof. Okay. Sorry, keep going. I know, it's just a lot. I'm sorry. I really like, the story started with me really respecting it. It's just, I know it's a lot. I know it's a lot.
Starting point is 01:10:01 I know it's a lot. So, only seven months after her space mission, Lisa Noak spends her first night in jail. She pleads not guilty and is released into protective custody of actually a pair of astronauts sent by NASA. What? They sent, because, you know, she's, like, part of the government, so they send to NASA astronauts. Okay.
Starting point is 01:10:23 So weird. It made sense on TV. I mean, I believe you. I just feel like, I don't know. At this point, I believe in anything you're saying. Everything sounds dumber when I say it out loud. Oh, boy. Thanks for coming here, guys.
Starting point is 01:10:41 Oh, that was the most lukewarm applause I ever heard. Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to pander, except I did. Okay, so that-da-da.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Meanwhile, Colleen receives a military order forbidding her, so Colleen, the one who was attacked, receives a military order forbidding her from contacting Billy, so she couldn't see him for two weeks after the incident. And one of the most famous aspects of this case that everyone wants me to talk about, that M doesn't know, but everyone knows, is the fact that police.
Starting point is 01:11:16 said Lisa wore adult diapers the whole drive and that's not that's not funny and that is what she became famous for she became presumably so she didn't have to take any pit stops you know she drove the whole 13 hours. Oh that makes it funny I thought she had like an actual no oh my god
Starting point is 01:11:37 but okay again dedicated yeah I mean gross but you can call her a lot of things But you can't call her not dedicate. Whatever the opposite of dedicated is. Yikes. Okay.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Stick to the notes, Christine. Okay. So it became national news, okay, that police said there were diapers in her car. She became a laughing stock. Every late night show, you know, is making fun of her. Despite herself, she would deny the allegations, but the media was like, fucking hell, we don't care. Like, this is great.
Starting point is 01:12:15 This is gold. So a retired astronaut named Susan Kilrain does confirm that astronauts use adult diapers during training so it stands to reason that it is something she would know to do and might have actually done. But Lisa's lawyer said, surprise, that the diapers found in her car were for her kids. So, huh, up to you.
Starting point is 01:12:38 The police actually did not have any diapers and evidence, but there is a mention in an affidavit that Lisa admitted she urinated in, diaper so she did not need to stop on her way to Orlando. So I think that's pretty tying as far as I'm concerned. I was willing to hear her out, but after I heard that she literally admitted
Starting point is 01:12:56 to it while in police custody, I was like, well, why would you say that? Right, right, right. All right. So, that's the famous part. Right. I hear you. I hear you. Either way, this did not stop the media from going absolutely ballistic. Lisa's attorney
Starting point is 01:13:12 pursued a defense of temporary insanity on a reduced charge of attempted kidnapping. And when Lisa finally spoke publicly, she apologized to Colleen and asked the media to stop invading her life. She also made a court-ordered apology to Colleen during the trial, and because it was court-ordered, it didn't strike anyone as particularly sincere.
Starting point is 01:13:31 Right, right. Colleen herself was like, yeah, it was really uncomfortable, and nobody bought it. So there's that. Lisa did plead guilty to burglary and battery and was let off relatively easy with two days in Orange County Jail, which I imagine is pretty nice.
Starting point is 01:13:48 As far as jails go, Orange County Jail, you know. Right. And one year of supervised probation. So NASA ended her career as an astronaut. Did they? Why? You know, they sent those two astronauts, but that wasn't enough, I guess.
Starting point is 01:14:06 And a naval administrative panel of three admirals voted to recommend she be separated from the U.S. Navy with an other than honorable discharge, and that her rank be reduced from captain to commander, although she still received the full pay and benefits of the commander rank. Oh my gosh. So Bill, Billy O, you know our friend. You know.
Starting point is 01:14:29 I remember him, Billy O. Remember? He retired in 08, and only a month after the crime, Colleen's commander told her, this is actually very sad, that she was no longer qualified to work in her position and was relegated basically to secretarial duties for the rest of her career which is just
Starting point is 01:14:45 like because they were like you know she was stirring up too much drama in the media and that's rough and it was kind of terrible because you know Lisa got so much obviously media attention but Colleen was never
Starting point is 01:14:58 nobody ever thought about her in this whole situation right right right right messed up however some good news maybe did come out of this Colleen and Billy O moved to his home state of Alaska and the two of them got married. Oh, goody.
Starting point is 01:15:18 And are still together to this day with a son named Junior. So that's cute. Oh, that's a lucky kid. So NOAC herself, she's now 54. She has all but vanished from public life. Her oldest son just turned 25. Her twin daughters are now 16. She lives in a modest home in Texas.
Starting point is 01:15:40 works in the private sector now. She does not give interviews, so don't even try. And she has tried to put the past behind her. Despite the tough times in her past, her attorney says that she is in a better place and is doing well. But it is a mystery as to what's actually happening. In 2018, can you hit next? There's Natalie Portman.
Starting point is 01:16:02 In 2018, I was like, she looks familiar. Pre-production began on a film called Lucy in the sky based on the events of the Lisa Nowak case, which new news with Natalie Portman expected to star as Lucy Cola,
Starting point is 01:16:20 which is a fictionalized version of Lisa Nowak. Ooh. Yeah. And so that's going to come out soon so we can all go see that together. That'll be fun. And that is the story of Houston's Lisa Nowak.
Starting point is 01:16:38 Woo! Thank you guys. Oh, I got a stare to go. Thank you. Oh, my goodness. Thank you guys. I will say I was very nervous to cover that one. I didn't know how, like, what local sentiment was,
Starting point is 01:16:54 and I know there's a lot of drama around it, and it's more recent than usually what I do. So thank you for bearing with me, and hearing me out. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for having us, Houston. Wow. You looked at me like I said the wrong sitting and I was like, oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:17:17 No, I'm done. I'm coasting. I'm just watching. Well, we do have one more thing for you, but before I do that, I do want to say that I'm very grateful for that, you guys. Oh, I love this song. What's going on? And I wrote you that song. That wasn't the thing I had planned. No, I just want to say thank you for having us.
Starting point is 01:17:35 And, I mean, in the last two years, it's been a whirlwind. a whirlwind and the in two days is our the anniversary of me asking christine to start a podcast with me um i mean to be fair i said no at first but then blaze said we should probably rethink that and i said yeah ultimately i made the right choice so yeah so uh it's been a very very very very wild last two years, but I, because you guys care so much about us, we're able to do this. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:18:16 And that's why we drink.

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