And That's Why We Drink - E476 Country Ghost Songs and Produce Shirt Mandela Effects

Episode Date: March 29, 2026

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Yeah, we're facing off over here. I like a wild west. We're playing chicken. Do you, well, I was going to ask you a stupid. It's not like we haven't been talking for 20 minutes to, like, do ads and produce the show. But all of a sudden, the cameras turn on, we get shy. I know, I think both of us are afraid of, like, hogging the first line. You know. That's right. I mean, looking back, there's never been a time that one of us jumped in and started the show every single time. We're just so gracious and bow to each other. That's the part you all don't hear is that before the show starts, we're spending 10, 20 minutes just kind of after you, after you, after you. It's really, yeah, it's really taxing, actually.

It's really hard to being as polite as I am, but. Gentile, I would call it. And it's worth it in the end. It's, you know, it's worth it for, it's hard. It's not much, but it's honest work. You know, so I've always said that. That's right. And someone's got to do it. Someone has to be gracious.

And it was obviously me today because I think you took the first line. I think I did. And I really, I have to bow down and say, you know what? This duel has ended. Congratulations. You're the fair and square winner. And I will take the hit. I will talk first.

It reminds me of when, like, Michael Scott and Daryl was trying to have like that negotiation and Michael Scott refused to speak first. And Michael just keeps whispering because he wants to like lean in to like hear him because he read that stupid book. Well, you know, today is the ultimate and that's why I drink day. Happy St. Patty's Day. I can't believe it. I'm in a green room. I know. Wow.

Okay. So I really can't get you. Wow. Wow. Well, I'm not wearing, I'm wearing a full grout fit as our friend Alexis from grad school used to say when I walked out of our apartment or walked out my bedroom. I'm also a grothet actually. Oh, see, and then they became, I mean, this, this shade of grout fits like not it because it's three different shades. But I at the time was wearing like a light gray sweatser and light gray sweats. And that became a look. And like, sometimes I think I should just text Alexis. It's not like I've like texted or in months, but maybe a year. But I'll be like, you know what? I'm going to you. Fuck you. You know, I have a college roommate who was all about a sweater dress back when like, Oh, a sweater dress.

Those were the thing in 2010. The thing. They were the thing. They were the thing. And so anytime I see a sweater dress in public, which these days it doesn't feel like a, I feel like we should bring back the sweater dress. That was wonderful. I'm into that because I like those things, I think.

But I think about texting her every time I see one. And of course. Do you ever wonder what people, what makes people think of you? Like someone random. in your life that you don't talk too much. Like, because I feel like that person might not know, right, that you would think, oh, sweater dress and then immediately link it to them. But like, I wonder what people think of you.

You know what I mean? I hope we both secretly think of the same thing and have like a like a mutual admiration that's just never been discussed. Oh, that's nice. But I also have anxiety. But more likely theory. More likely theory. I'm more inclined to think like, oh, do they remember that like really embarrassing thing

I said. Yeah. And like, let's be honest, probably. But, you know, that's life. What about you? Do you think there's like an inside joke that, uh, or inside thing that it's undeniable someone still thinks about you? Okay. Well, you know that thing? You know what? Just immediately came to mind was that fucking drawing that I do when we're on air with local live television. Fox News doesn't know it, but there have been quite a lot of X-rated drawings happening during their, uh, yeah. Not that we're on Fox News. just to be clear. Can you imagine someone listening for the first time?

He's like, these motherfuckers are on Fox News. I remember the first time we got asked to like do an interview with the out. I was like, why Fox News? Yeah. It was like Fox 17 local news or whatever. Yeah.

So we've done a few of those, but there's this drawing that I, oh, and I, by the way, the other day I was going through some old journals of mine and I found the original journal entry where I wrote about it. And it's just as bad as I remember. Like I read that entry.

and it was like today, um, blank my friend at the time got in trouble because she and our other friend, let's say Mary, we're passing notes and my friend, Trudy, Trudy, Phil. What is wrong with me? My friend Trudy drew this note and it was, or drew this picture and they were passing notes. And then one of them, our friend Mary, was like, oh, my God, what the fuck. And so then it caused like a little commotion. And all of a sudden everyone, and I was kind of like witnessing this. And I was like, you guys are such idiots.

You're going to get in trouble. By the way, we were in religion class. And it was 10th grade. And you were doing a lot of sitting, by the way. That was ultimate set. And our teacher's name, let's call him Mr. Nagel. And he was up there. And he's like, oh, what you got there?

And he was new to the school. And he was already kind of in over his head with our class. And he picked up this note and on it was a drawing, a stick figure drawing that Trudy had made of a desk. Keep going. And two stick figures. Doing what? Having sex on Mr. Nagel's desk. And then another kid in our class.

let's call him, Paolo walked in and this is all in the drawing, walked in and there was some incident that occurred in the comic strip that and basically it was this drawing of this 10th grade girl in our class having sex with our teacher and he picks it up and it's like another student walking in like it was just like really bad. And how old were you just to defend yourself? How old were you when this happened like a child? I think I think we were like 14 or 15. Yeah. I mean, we were too old. We know better. But to be fair, I was just witnessing this. I was like, I'm not, I know better. Like, I'm not that stupid. Like, I'm fucking stupid. I'm not that stupid. And he got fired. Here's what I'll say. I don't know that for fact.

What I do know is he disappeared. And I never had him again. He was never at the school again. So I don't know that he was fired. I don't know if he quit. I don't, I wouldn't blame him. I wouldn't blame either. I think he walked out. He was like, I'm already in over my head. He actually left the room. because he was so, like, disturbed. And then he left the room because he didn't know what to do. And it was like, so you saw your friend making this drawing.

I did. And they were passing it back and forth. And I was like, it's your fucking funeral, you know. I wonder if they ever got, I mean, so to go back to the question of like, do you think anyone ever thinks of you?

Mr. Nagel fucking thinks about them for sure. I wonder sometimes. And I see him every now and then. It's a very Cincinnati thing. Not anymore. But like, when I first graduated, I would see him out and about. And I was like,

well, he didn't die. So the options left her, like quit. He didn't go to, jail. Options left or like he either quit or was fired. I let go.

I don't know. I don't know. Oh, that poor man. But I honestly, I think he probably just checked out. He was like, I hope he checked out because like, I think he was like,

this is, this is the last possible thing. Teaching a bunch of 15 year olds religion and like celibacy and shit. Like what do you think is going to happen? And he was forced to teach this was, I mean, he wasn't forced to do anything, but this was the syllabus, right?

Like he can't, that's what we have to talk about. That's a tall order to be a teacher. and have to teach children sex ed. I can't imagine. Oh, well, it's not sex ed. It's God's, um, it's, it's, you know, your virginal, your virginal, your virginal, your relationship with Jesus.

Okay. You're dating Jesus, you know, and stuff like that. Right, married to God. That's what it is. You're married to God. That's right. Very to God. Yeah.

So, um, that's, did he get any good lessons in there? Do you remember anything he taught you or was he just in and then he was fucking out? I have a super vivid flash. one of staring blankly at the wall. I remember exactly which classroom, blankly at the board going as he opened the note and going, oh, no, oh, no. And then I have another one where he stormed out of the room.

And I remember very like a snapshot staring at my desk and going, I am not even going to, I'm going to pretend I don't know those two. Right, right, right, right. And that's all I remember for that class. So I'm sure I learned a lot. I learned how to be a good wife to the Lord. Oh, good. Well, how's that going? Are you divorced yet from him from the Lord?

We're in an open relationship. Oh, I love that. That's great. Thank you. We're very progressive. He's a big progressive liberal. She goes by she-heard now. It gets better every time. No, so I, in high school, I also knew people who did some nefarious things that I think they still to the stay loose sleep over. And I didn't bear witness to it, but I overheard. basically there was a

like death threat to somebody who I was friends with we had a couple of those what year was were you how old so I honestly don't think that I don't really want to offend the person who did this because it was it's not cool but they were like eight years old

and I think they just were mad about something like I don't know I don't think they had a concept of what they were actually doing at a point where we knew what was I don't know. Maybe they did. I have no idea. But I remember there being this whole scandal. And keep in mind, I was eight years old.

So I don't know if my memory is actually true at this point or just like, what do you say? Like revisionist history or a rewrite for some reason in my head. But I remember there being a huge scandal where in the middle of taking a test, everyone started, someone left and went to the bathroom. And then they saw on one of the stalls it said like, I'm going to, there was some place. There was some place. There was on the stall. There was some physical threat to one of the other students who I was friends with.

Okay, can I ask you a question? Yeah. Weren't those the best days, though? As someone who at eight years old had no understanding of like what teachers were probably worried about and I was having fun being nosy and knowing there was drunk. Oh, I had fun anyway. I don't care. This happened to us in eighth grade and my friend and I'll use her name because she's a friend of mine and like I don't think she would be upset about me sharing this. But my friend Minji got this like death threat and it was via AIM.

Like somebody had made a fake account and like was I know was sending her all these like crazy messages. And like the thing was we knew who it was. Oh, well, there you have it. That's fine. But like there was no way to prove it. Right. And the way that I realized in eighth grade that I could be a fucking that I was pretty much smarter than all my teacher or well at least my one dumb ass teacher. And definitely the religion teacher, but that's a whole other story.

And I don't know. It was just like, it occurred to me one day like, wow, this lady's an idiot. Like, I know exactly what happened. And she's like going down the completely wrong path. But like she's not going to believe me because I'm in eighth grade. Basically the username, they like printed all. I mean, we were doing like basically an investigation at school, which now explains a lot about me. Right.

Like it feels like, oh, or up you too, like that excitement of like who did it. Did anyone see it? I got to see it, you know? Yeah, as a child, like, as an adult, I'm like, ooh, I was fucked up and I would have started, like, I would have handled it way differently than I did at eight. Oh, yeah. And don't get me wrong. It's extremely fucked up.

It's like, it's like the year before my grandpa died and I had no understanding of death. And I was like, I don't know what's going on, but like everyone said, I guess like, I'm just going to like eat the food over here. And I kind of remember more like the, the wake and like eating food. Because you're not really like affected by it, you know? Right. And like, at that age, you just can't have a conception of like, what, that means. And also, like, to be honest, this kid was, I mean, not to diminish, like,

the trauma of having this happen to you, but, like, I knew this kid and I'm like, he just does shit like this and like, they got to get this kid out to some help. Like, I'm like in eighth grade going, we, like, I know who it is. It's this one kid who really needs some help and is a very aggressive and like, scary kid, but like, like, he's still at the school and like, you know. And the username said Prince of J-U-N-G. Okay. Like Carl Young. And so my teacher was like, oh, my gosh, kids, students.

And she, this fucking bitch, I hate this woman with to the core of my being. She just the other day posted this dumb picture to Facebook about J.D. Vance's tasteful dining room and is like, oh, they just put on the most beautiful tapestries. And then she like writes on J.D. Vance's posts like she knows. him. It's really embarrassing. So I'm not going to name her, but she's a fool. And so, uh, she basically was like trying to figure out this mystery. And she's like, Carl Young is this philosopher. And I was like, that's Prince of the, he's saying, oh, wait, no. It said king of, sorry. It's true in the whole story. It said King of J-U-N-G. And I was like, he's saying King of the

jungle. And they were like, no, he's there, it's Carl Young. And they were like, no, he's there, it's Carl Young. And I was like, no, it's like the Bengals. He's saying King of the Jungle. He's saying King of the Jungle, whatever. I think it was King of the Jungle. And my teacher was like, no, it's Carl Young. And that's when I was like, what's the thing of like the easiest, the most obvious? The zebra stripes thing.

It's like sometimes it's just the most obvious answer in front of you. Exactly. Exactly. Also, in that moment I would have been like, oh, so adults are also like not that's the moment I realized. I was like, I'm smarter than you. And that's been true. for a long time and I've known that for a while, but now I kind of am pretty solidly convinced of it.

Well, as an adult, I feel the same way, but my, the death threat that my friend got where as a kid, I was just thinking of it as like a Nancy Drew. I was like, who done it? Yes, it felt like a Nancy Drew, yes. But as an adult, I'm like, the teachers did not fucking handle that well. No, that's the other thing is like, what the fuck were they doing? Like, nobody handled any of that well at all. Yeah, yeah.

I don't wonder if it was like, not to be like that guy, but like pre-9-11. I don't know if it was like just a different time. Like I don't know. Yeah. I mean, so right now my town, my neighborhood has a bit of a scandal because there was a kid who I guess has been making death threats at school. Oh, no. And the like is in the papers and everything. So like I can't imagine what the family is going through right now here.

Well, and now you have technology. I mean, we didn't, we had a fucking bathroom stall. Now you have an AIM. But like now, I mean, think about the shit with AI. everything you can do. I know. And also like this is in the world of school shootings and stuff too. Exactly. Exactly. That's so scary. In 2000 when I was in third grade, there wasn't any. We didn't have that on our radar as much. I think the death threat wasn't even taken seriously. I think we should also add that as a context. Like if as context, if anybody out there like either just,

because it didn't really occur to me to mention this either, but it's a good point. M. Like if you're younger and you didn't know a time before like people thought about school shootings, but like when we were that age, at least say our door the school doors were just always like propped open it was springtime we just leave all the doors open there wasn't there was a front desk but there wasn't like real security like people just didn't think about that at that point it just wasn't a thing and so then so you're right a death threat wasn't didn't hold maybe the same way as it might today i think it was also at a time when um bullying was like more accepted by teachers or something just sort of part of the process so then to see a death threat on a door and no child has ever died at school

before and bowling is normal. It's like an 80s movie. It's like, well, whatever, you know, the 80, that happened in the 80s, so it's fine to happen in the 2000s. I don't know. Things changed, I guess, but. No, I, how did we get here? Anyway, sorry. So, um, oh, the scandal. The scandal, no, the drawing of the, um, sex figures. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, okay. Um, I don't know how we got this far away, but, uh, oh, you said, what would make somebody think of you? Yes. And unfortunately for you, it would Did that answer your question? You're thinking of somebody who drew that awful thing that now you have drawn for shock value when I'm in the middle of being an asked an interview question online.

But it is. Yeah, exactly. And I like to, I like to perpetuate it. You know, what's so funny is I wonder if, I mean, I was going to say,

I wonder if they remember. They probably remember. They have to remember. There's no way that you. They have to remember. And I remember the one girl, I think she didn't talk to us anymore. And I was like,

I know I was probably mortified and like pissed off. Also, just so you know, I'm drinking the world's largest ice coffee. Look at this Mara. Got my Mirage Las Vegas cup out. Oh, love it.

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I mean, listen. Whatever. We already talked about the drawing from 10th girl. I think anything else. Don't draw this. You know what I mean? Whatever you do, don't ever envision that again. I know what you mean.

Oh, part of the drawing was that she got a head injury because she was having sex on the desk. That's what it was. Sorry. I just remember there was like more detail to it. Keeps getting worse. Just keeps getting worse. I just remember, I was like there was a reason.

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And we also have a yappy hour that you get access to that shows up right in your feed. And it's an intermission we do during the episode between M's story and my story. That was great. Here you, hear you. I would have not been able to do it so succinctly. Thank you so much. I wanted to tell you real quick. May I tell you, I know we're kind of going along, but I have something.

I have to tell you that I completely forgot when I talked about I got distracted by Disney last week, but a ghost thing happened, like a real ghost, like a scary ghost thing, like one that like really scared me badly. To you? To me scared me. Well, I was with Leona. Oh. Yeah. Did the daddy thing happen or was it bad? It was not good.

It was different from that. I'll read it to you because I wrote it out because I was so creeped out and I actually text. Oh my God. It was so weird. Okay. And of course I sent it to my mom and she was like, ha ha. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like read the room lady.

She's like, that's interesting. And I'm like, what? I won't give you that reaction. I need you tell me what happened. Okay. Let's find it. I got to scroll past all the Daisy Duck pictures I sent. Oh my God.

Daisy Duck is that girl. She is that girl. Dude. She and Aristichette. Marie. from Aristocats. I'm like, they're babes.

I love them. Gotta love them. Okay. Oh, my Christ in heaven. Oh, what are you drinking, by the way, while I look for this? Well, now that it's made, some RASLEM.

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here we go. First of all, I have another quote here where she said to Blaze, do you like my tank top? It has spaghetti sleeves. Who said this, Daisy Duck? No, Leona. Sorry. Oh, oh, sorry. I'm so sorry. That was completely out of context with the last person I discussed was the cat from Aristocat. So I'm sorry. I met Leona. Okay, got it. She said, she calls him spaghetti sleeves and I just can't, I can't fix it because I just think it's so cute. Okay. Precious. This is what I set my mother at 850. on Saturday, March 7th. Okay, 10 days ago. Leona saw something in the dark hallway outside her room during bedtime and did a double

take. She said, I thought that was Daddy. My heart jumped and I said, nope, daddy's still on the way home from the gym. And she said, then who was that? Oh, no. I said, maybe it was moonshine. And she said, no, it was a really big person. Even bigger than Daddy.

Oh. Oh, hey. And then she walked up and she said, I'm going to close the door now. And I said, I think that's a good idea. And she closed the door and I said, what we do is we say, oh, so hold on. So then she closed, she said, it's even bigger than daddy. She walked up, slammed the door closed. Literally that second, I hear, and the garage door's opening and Blaze is pulling into the house.

And I'm like, what the fuck was that? And then I text Blaze like, because sometimes he sits in the car. car for a minute and like finishes a podcast episode or something and I'm like come in the house immediately because either someone's in here like I don't know I was checking the doorbells but yeah she's like then who was that and I was like baby's first ghost I don't like it do you have any cameras like in the house pointing in random areas? I don't we have that because of we don't use them anymore but it was when I will say I have some I just never like it's it's hard to like keep up with them isn't it because it's like you either have a different app

that you have to be checking and then you have a subscription and it's like if you have the right subscription aka the most expensive it it records everything so you can just go play whatever you want see that yeah maybe if i did that but yeah that's so fucking annoying and expensive and i'm like i also feel kind of weird just constantly filming the house but we have a lot more going like i feel like here we have like like my mom and my brother are always here to like record or work and um i don't know and Leona and stuff. Yeah. No,

we had it when, we haven't used it in a while, but, uh, we got it when Hank, yeah, that's smart. That's really smart.

He was destroying everything. We have like, do I need to get home? We have a furbo. What's that? We have a furbo. Yeah. I mean,

especially if there's something like in her hallway and you think that's the weirdest feeling area. Didn't you say something about, and that's the fucking spot where the daddy, where I heard that. And that's also the same spot where the guy, the man, the man I saw outside,

was like, I used to live in that housing when it was apartments and I was pushed down the stairs at four years old or five and he said he looked up and there was a stern looking woman at the top of the stairs who had pushed him down those stairs. And those are literally the ones next to her door with a baby gate now. But like just weird, dude. Yeah, I don't like that it happened right around four or five for that guy. And now four or five she's seen like baby's first ghost. Isn't that weird? The timing. Yeah. I wonder if the daddy is the kid of that man ghost she just saw. Maybe.

I don't know. And maybe that's why he's not in a creepy way, or I guess in a creepy way, but not in a sexual way, is interested in like four or five year olds because maybe they remind him of his daughter who's saying daddy. Right. The environment of it would like be right, right, right, right. Might activate something. Yeah, I wonder. And I mean, her current fear, her biggest fear right now is wolves. Okay.

That's a good fear. Yeah, we talk about it every day. And we've really talked it through. And she understands that wolves don't really dress up as your grandma and eat you. But she's having trouble kind of integrating that with her kind of nervous system. So we're working on just saying, let's think about it for a minute. Do you think wolves can come in the locked door? I don't know.

But now she's seeing a big fucking man walking around. I'm like, well, all bets are off, I guess. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a toughie. Hmm. Weird. It's moments like this where, like, all I want to do is, like, put, like, a rim pod in the hallway next to her room while she's sleeping. I mean, maybe I should. I have an EMF detector right there.

I have shit everywhere. You're right. Maybe during the yappy hour, um, I can. try to communicate with the ghost with my with my app if you had like a rem pot or something it would be interesting if you just left it in the hall like and then during gapy hours if we just heard it go off can you imagine though like yeah maybe you don't want to know my pets would fucking oh yeah walk past it either pee on the like freak the f out good point good point i forgot about that hmm well that's horrifying is she maybe on a day leona's not like out of school because

She is out of school this week on spring break and it makes life exponentially more fun and also difficult because she's always home. Sure. That's a good point. Yeah. Blaze said, I'll take you to the mall today. And because like she would not, she was like, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving the house.

And Blaze was like, and I had to record. And he was like, I'll take you to the mall. And she's like, I'll put my shoes on. So they're going to the mall. Be right there. Be right there. Wait in the car for me. Say less.

Oh, that's so awful. Well, I hope he never comes back, although we did always anticipate this day, didn't we? So we sure did. And I was excited for it. Well, I think as we were both hoping it would just be like, like the loveliest encounter. Look at kitty cat ghost. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Well, keep us posted because that sounds really, um, I sure will. Yeah. And during the Yapier, we'll try to chit chat. Well, I'll chat him up. I'll try to be, I'll try to schmooze him, wine and dine him a little. Um, so if you're, a Patreon member, you can access that. Otherwise, you know, you don't have to listen to me trying to schmooze a ghost. If it's that hairy guy, I would just go into the hall and be like, listen. Cut it out. Back up.

You know, cut it out for W. We did, actually. That is what I told her. I said, what we can do. Because I've, of course, researched this and read on this and stayed up at late night reading Reddit stories and stuff. But what I said was, you know, anyone you don't feel. comfortable having in your room is not welcome. And you can say you're not to enter my room

or any of my space. And she slammed the door. And I was like, I think that's good. As long as it's a ghost, I think we're good. If it was like a real person, I don't know that would work. But I there was nobody in the house. So I started saying recently, which not that she needs to say is because I think it might be a little like verbally tricky. But I've started saying specifically out loud. If I have not known and loved you in this lifetime. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm like, it has to be this lifetime, because maybe we knew each other in another one. You're just checking in, but you're freaking me to fuck out. You don't want them? You don't want them to come? I, I do. I mean, I do, but I also don't know. I'm like, am I accidentally, hmm, maybe I should, maybe we should edit that. If I've known or, if I've known and loved

you in any of my lifetimes. What if you say, like, for my best, or what if you say, like, for my best in high's good or what if you say like only if you come in love and light or with sure if you're not here with with with love in your heart with love in your if you ain't here with a love in your heart and actually you know what I do need to edit it because the one time I felt something really fucking eerie and I said that out loud it did go away like it worked I remember and but it was it was someone in my family that I did know and at one point in love but they were not a good person. They found a loophole.

And I just walked into our recording room and into the troll hole back in the apartment. And I remember going in and I've never felt anything like that. But it was like it's what you hope Zach Began's is being honest about. Yes, yes. I walked in and I was like something fucking awful is in this room and all lies are on me right now. And we had just come back from investigating. Yes. And so I was like, maybe I brought something in here because all the equipment's in this room.

maybe it's just like sitting in here. I didn't know what it was. But I really shouted out loud and I was like, I don't know what's going on. I can feel you here. You have to leave. I'm not here for this. If I haven't known and loved you in this lifetime, you have to leave. And then it would stay for a second.

I was like, you're like something's up. And I was like, okay, well, if I did know and love you, you would not make me feel this, but you have to leave anyway. You have to leave. Wow. And then an hour later, my aunt called and said that her mom had died. And I was like, oh, she was coming to say goodbye. I forgot that.

I forgot about that second part. Yeah, and it felt exactly as ominous as I would anticipate her spirit feeling. When you, like, you were like, oh, shit. Yeah, that's, that's her. Did you realize it was her before you got the call? Or were you like, oh, wow. I knew was someone I knew. I feel like something's happening right now as we're talking about it.

Me too. You have to go away. Me too. No, no, no, no, no. We don't do that here. I don't feel good. Off you go. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye.

Goodbye, go bye, go by, go by, go by, go by. Love and lie. Goodbye. That's usually how I ended in the haunted house. my country song. Quick. If you ain't here with the love in your heart, get out of my room, you big old fart.

I said, go, go. Anyway, witches of the world, if you have advice on any, if any of that should be edited, let me know, but currently you just witnessed us. You witnessed us in real time. Because the second that happened,

I got this like creepy tingle up my back and my neck and my scalp. The second you said you felt something. Yeah. Anyway, that's the... What is this bitch's problem, M? She loves it. What did she do to her?

I did nothing, all right? I did nothing. Oh, she's gone. She said, this is too much. I need a pillow to hold on to. She, yeah, but so I didn't know was her in the moment, but when I felt something ominous, I was like, this is a feeling I hate, and it feels like it's supposed to be, like, imposing. But for some reason, it feels familiar and I don't know why those two things would go hand in hand in one spirit.

That is so creepy. Do you know what that reminds me of? That kind of like loophole of when your stepmom put the barrier around the house, the ward around the house, and then it was like, oh, but it was on the perimeter. I could feel it. I could literally feel it like pressing. So for those who don't remember the story, for those who don't remember the story, my dad's house is super duper, holy shit haunted. Like Civil War battlefield shit. Like previous owners are just buried in the backyard and like children are buried in the backyard.

Like it's very gross. And then they live in like a very small area that has like a neighborhood cemetery where there's like 30 people. And it's within walk. There's a lot of dead people on our property. And my stepmom is Wiccan. And she always said, if you ever feel anything, you tell me and I'll, I'll fix it. But I used to feel this thing at night that was so heinous, so disgusting. And I mean, it was, I've never, up in your face, like in your grow.

Like, if it had human physical lips, I would have felt it breathing on me. And it was trying to scare me. And it was working. And I ended up telling her about it. She said, okay, I'm not going to tell you what I'm doing, but I'm going to do something and tell me how you feel tomorrow. And I felt fine in the room, but I swear to God, it felt like someone was trying to break into the house and their face was like pressed against the window all night long. And she had only blessed the house, been off the perimeter of the house. So then the next day she blessed a perimeter of the house, and I've never had a problem in that house since. But it was, um,

wow. But it, it felt, it did not feel as dark as that, but it felt like the, when my, when my step, grandma died,

it felt like she knew she was in my space and stepping, like she still had like an issue. Yeah. Yeah. I think she probably came to me because she knew all about the ghost hunting and she's probably like, well, if I'm going to get anyone's attention, it'll be you. Wow.

Wow. And within 30 seconds, I was like, off you go. See you. Don't cry back. Yeah. Nice seeing you. Bye. I'm so sorry about Leona, though. That's that. Hopefully that doesn't happen again for her. And at least it seems like you made it a positive to neutral experience. I tried to. And I was really lucky that Blaze got home right then because I was like. And again, like, I've talked about this a little bit. I've been having some not to be too specific, but just some like interpersonal issues with people in my life. And I've been like very on edge as it is. And so when she's like, so sometimes I'm like, is. Is this just like a manifestation of like the frenzied kind of energy? Is it like like, oh, that's sad that you're, you're, you're wondering if you've brought it upon her. I know.

My fear is like, is this like poltergeisty? Like I'm like stirring shit up. But then, you know, I hope. I mean, people say, you know, that like your intention is what matters. So I taught her like, you just tell them like you're not welcome, which of course we teach her anyway for human people. Right. Sure. Like so in that regard, it's a little easier because you kind of know what to say.

say like you have boundaries just like you do with a regular person. Unless they're a murderer, then we're probably screwed. But it seems like they were not. It was when she said he was so much bigger than daddy. I was like, I mean, Blaze isn't like tall, but I was still like, that's a terrible thing to say. Yeah. I'm terrified.

That's the worst thing you could say. It does sound like, oh, yep, everyone here can be overpowered by this person. She goes, a really big person. And I'm like, ah. I really hope that it wasn't testing the waters and like trying to see like. The way she kind of explained it is that he was like walking through the hall and down the stair, like just like walked past. Okay. And she was like, oh, I thought that was daddy.

Like it was almost like he just walked past. So I think it wasn't like trying to be ominous. And she didn't seem that scared. Really. She didn't seem scared at all. She was just like, ugh. And I said, just close the door. But yeah, it's weird.

Hmm. I don't know what to say except that's scary. That sucks. I don't envy that situation. but I also, I hope it's gone. I hope it's over. Thank you. I do too.

As much as I always really wanted there to be like a quest, a ghostly quest for your daughter. I also don't really want that. Same. I'm like, I want that for me, not necessarily for her, though, you know. I wanted to begin once she's old enough to handle it. To, to like enjoy it herself or to at least handle it. Yeah. Yeah.

You see. To enjoy it. You get it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, is there a reason why you drink or is that the reason why you drink? Oh, that's the reason. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Big time. The reason why I do. drink. I have not planned a single thing. I've not packed a single thing, but tomorrow is my, like, my trip. I'm so excited. I haven't traveled in a while, a long time, a long time for me, at least. It does feel weird to pack when you haven't. I was packing for Disney and I was like, how do I do this? Yeah. I don't remember. I used to, I mean, when we were like on tour, I feel like I always had a suitcase ready with like all the like backup toiletries and stuff. So I really only had to put clothes in there and

everything else was already handled. It was already there. Yeah. And now I'm like, I gotta start from scratch. It sounds exhausting. I'm like, do I brush my teeth on vacation? I forget. And I also, I don't know how this is going to go because I, I don't know. Like, I'm sorry, but like Idaho is in like New York City. Like I'm wondering like, will there be enough things to do?

Like, do I, should I come home early? Oh, you'll find a way. We were high schoolers before the internet. Well, not before the internet, but before like iPhones. You can find, you'll find a way to enjoy yourself. Me and my rental car will take off of that summer. Yeah, yeah, you'll adventure. But I, yeah, it's, I'm much less prepared than I usually am.

So I also, I'm kind of landing and just hoping it. Yeah. I've figured my way out. So anyway, that's why I drink because I'm going to be back on the road for myself. But I also, I don't know. It'll also be Allison's first week alone with the dog, which is very interesting. Trading places. I know.

All of a sudden he's going to be like, where's the other one? What's going on here? One, two, wait a minute. Yeah. I'm not used to this setup. Anyway, that's why I drink. When I see you next, I'll report back on how wonderful that potato was. How thrilling the table side potato service was.

I'm so excited about the table side potato service. I can't wait to hear about it. I'm telling you, if they're claiming to have like the best potato in Idaho, they are claiming to have the best potato in the country, right? I would say you're right, because I think that's some sort of mathematical property. I think so, too. inside the parentheses, right, or something. In that case, I really, foil, is what you're talking about? Oh, my God, yeah.

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Let's make it an eight-parter. Maybe. Maybe not, though. Okay, three is fine. I'll take three for now. Three is fine. If I ever did more than three, I think I'd be like, okay, back the fuck up. But I will say this is sort of like you don't need to have listened to the other two, right?

Like, it's its own story. Do you know what I'm covering? I forget already. I do vaguely remember. Technically, this could be a standalone, but I think he would want to listen to the last two episodes. first. This is something about Zach Began's question mark. Sure is. Yeah. So what I planned on covering last week was Zach Began's investigations to the Goldfield Hotel because the episode before was the Goldfield Hotel. Right. And then what I said last week was that

Zach has done four different investigations here. One was the very first documentary ever. Two of them have been taken off of streamers and I cannot find because they involved the Constantinos, which he was close with and they even past. So there was only one episode I could watch after his original documentary,

which was very fun to, it was a very fun night and day comparison because the very first time he ever went there, it was before Ghost Adventures even existed. This was supposed to be a one-time documentary in 2004.

And the one that I'm going to cover today was during COVID. It was like 2021. Bizarre, dude. So this is the return. Zach Began's return to the Goldfield Hotel. So this was a special. It was a three-night stay, which I guess during his investigations, I don't know how long they actually investigated a location. I imagine just like one day.

Yeah. Maybe two, but this was a three-nighter. But they wear their own, they wear the same outfit. Like, I feel like they do one day. Like, I feel like he wouldn't wear the same outfit three days. Like, unless he's like a cartoon character and all of everything in his closet is just a solid black tea. Yes. He's Johnny Bravo. Literally in a lot of way. I know. And then you said black tea and I was like, hang on. If Johnny Bravo died his hair and put a bunch of like cross tattoos on his body,

I would not be able to tell them apart. Hey, lest we forget what Zeeby looked like on Wheel of Fortune or whatever game he was on. He's prices, right? What was it? Wheel of Fortune. Something like that. I don't know. But he got that blonde hair.

Like he could have been, you know. You're totally right. Giant Bravo doesn't even need to die his hair. just goes back to his normal hair. His roots, so to speak, yeah. His roots. I love that. Wow, you're really,

that is a mystery for another day, I suppose. I suppose. Are they the same? Zach Bravo, Johnny Begans. I don't know. Holy shit. You tell me. So anyway, he goes and he, at this point,

in 2021, he's already had decades of ghost adventuring. I mean, literally 17, years since 2004 and it was a 2021. Damn. So almost 20 years of ghost adventures was in his life. This was not too long ago from our present day. So he is in full Zach's swing. And I will tell you the first line of his stay.

By the way, we can just call this like a rewatch episode or a, I love it. Whatever it is. A commentary. A commentary. Because the whole episode is, our whole episode is me talking about this one episode. call it an artistic critique. Sure. It was meant to be part of last weeks, but I didn't mean for this to happen, but here we are.

Okay, first line... I didn't mean for this to happen. Sit down and listen. First line of the episode, 17 years later, when you start talking about our investigations, there's only a few that I can count that have hit us extremely personal. He meant personally. That have scared the absolute hell out of us. And one of those places is where we all started at the Goldfield Hotel.

And then in this intro, he says that, because it's a very long intro, it's a full-blown monologue. He talks about that they're back because ever since they went to the Goldfield Hotel for the very first time, there is now, quote, an infection of darkness of pure negativity that has infected the building. does it have to do with the deaths of the people that were so intensely involved and connected to this building? I mean, okay. Okay, first of all, really, really props for negativity is very good. I thought I did a good job. I felt good about that. Excellent work.

Excellent work. I just, it's so jarring because the first line, it reminds me that whole Emerson thing from last time, but that first line is like a normal thing to say and you know he says it in that crazy, way that you do, that you just did, like, who, woo, and it's like, you're literally just saying, hey, we haven't been here in a while and, like, it's going to be scary. Like, why do you need to say it like that? But then the second half is like, there's a, like, it becomes, of darkness of pure. Yeah, it becomes necessary for the voice. I'm like, I feel like, tonally, we're confused. Yeah. I think he, he's acified it. I think his producers were like,

this is a very normal sentence just saying. And he went, no, you know, he went, okay. I'll Say it normally. Like this? Yeah. Like this. Thank you for compliment. I really, as I was saying the word negativity, I thought, oh, it was good. I thought, I'm going to kill this one. You got the role.

Thank you. But yeah, so I'll say like a normal person so we can process it. He did say at the end, does this infection of darkness have to do with the deaths of the people that were so involved in connecting to this building? Basically, he's for someone who, and I'm, you know what, we all grieve differently, whatever, he for someone who's already taken down all streamers that involved any of the constantinos being featured in his episodes he's now basically directly inserting the constantinos into this narrative of like is this place only dark and scary because the

constantinos and others have died he uh he didn't move he didn't we know he did there's no way he removed those willingly you know the their lawyers had them removed that i bet you a million bajillion i would also feel that there's no way he was like i'm grieving literally his best friend and business partner was like almost murdered by his own wife. And Zach was like, hang on, let me write that down. Aaron, get me a pen. Did I or did I not say when that came out? Did I or I did not say he will put that in the episode.

And he said I wouldn't do that. And then literally a week later it was like, surprise. Of course I did that. And Aaron's like filming. And I'm like, you're making him film it? What is wrong with you? So yeah, there's no way he did that on purpose. So I don't, I'm not surprised.

he's milking this shit. Well, so his belief is that when they first went there, it was already haunted, but ever since they've been multiple times and brought their own demons with them, and then everybody in the paranormal community who's grown to, like, investigate this place and the Constantino's constantly being,

investigating at this place, but also being friends with him, maybe their deaths, and they're being so involved with that building has stirred up shit. It's a, to me, a set of mental gymnastics, but to him... It's a little convoluted, yeah.

I think he's just, finding sentences and saying them willy-nilly. That's what I think he's doing. I think that might be correct. So Zach finishes the intro with this. He's not done, by the way. Oh, wow. Silly me.

This is a part of our legacy. This is the final chapter of the Goldfield Hotel. Bullshit. You're going to go back 16 more times. Don't fuck around with me the final chapter, my ass. He really, um, I think he believed when he said it. Of course he did.

Again, he's just testing out sentences in live- And has he been back? He has not been back since, but it's only been like five years. Yeah, he'll be back. Yeah, give it time. I would imagine that the whole Ghost Adventure series, if it were to ever end, will end at the Goldfield Hotel to bookend it. Oh, a full circle. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I wonder what he'll call it. It's going to be some crazy fucking dumb, some dumbass shit. Aftermath or something stupid. Yeah. So, although I can't find.

the other episodes in this special, I did appreciate that the producers replayed evidence from the past episodes. So basically... So you got like a recap. Yeah, without even having to watch the other... That's the two full episodes. I basically got the highlights, which is nice.

That's appreciated. Including EVPs of a male voice clearly saying will kill and you're in my fucking house and like screaming. You're like, you're in my fucking house. Oh, that's Leona, learning to talk to ghosts, and Zach. That's what I taught her to say whenever a large man like Zachary enters the house.

If he looks like the shadow of Johnny Bravo, you know exactly what to say. So, yeah, instead of saying, if I've ever known and loved you in this lifetime, so you're in my fucking house. Take a lesson from my beautiful Leo rising daughter. She's not going to fuck around with these guys anymore. Well, so, I mean, and I did hear the EVP. I heard and it does sound, I mean, it's to me pretty clear as day. And it is very scary. Right. If we got that, that would have been like a hit. We would have probably left, like literally left. That's a guarantee, my friend. We would have. What is the sentence again? Because I know I joked through it.

At first, it's will kill. And then it's, you're in my fucking house. Yeah, yeah. I'm out. I'm good. I'm good. I'm goodbye. Goodbye. Yeah. See ya. See ya. See ya. And then the voice also later said, I want to talk to Zach. Okay. Do you want to kill or do you want to talk to me? Yeah. I'm confused. Pick a lane. Pick a lane.

They also had a, in one of the previous episodes, they apparently had a whole ass window shatter on its own in a spot where people have been shoved before. Ooh. I wish I had more context, but there we are. But like I said earlier, it is a real gift to see how far Zach has changed from 2004. Because remember last time he was screaming his pantaloons off? and now he's just... And he was pissed off at Aaron

and the resentment was just a little blossoming bud and hadn't even blossomed into like, hey, your wife tried to kill you. Why don't you film me talking about it? He was a twinkle in his own eye at that point. Wow, that's beautiful. So, okay, there's three nights. I'm going to go night by night.

So night one, Zach claims that the hotel is now a magnet for dark energy and infecting the rest of us who are still living. True, true. Because he says basically the host is responsible for killing people connected to it. If you get too close to this place, the hotel will kill you. So he's alluding to the Constantinos, I assume.

That's something it had to do with the, yeah. But it's the hotel's fault of the Constantino's. Cool, that he was a domestic abuser. Okay, cool. Just checking. Yep, no, you are right on the. Just making sure I got it. Feel like your, what is it, your fingers on the, on the gate.

The fingers on the pulse. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So before Zach even gets to the hotel, he apparently hired a group of people to go to this hotel. And this is for the first time ever in Ghost Avengers history. He's very proud of this. That he had a team go in and block out every single window so no natural light is coming through for like three days before he got there. And so I guess his idea was to like build up the darkness in there. That feels like something also Leona would do. I'm just going to put construction paper on

the windows to build up the darkness in here. And I'm like, that's not how dark works. But okay, Here are his exact words because I knew that I... Let me get the full description. I didn't want to have to justify this in my own words. Thank you so much for knowing that you would have to. I was like, as I was typing it, I was like, I will have to elaborate. I unfortunately would have pushed you to do that. He said this was to create complete darkness and see what happens when the spirits are trapped

inside. Right. Yeah. Because they're kind of like a parrot where if there's a curtain over them, they don't know that it's not nighttime. Like bedtime, there's a curtain. I guess it's night. I feel like as someone who craves to be to enter a sleep study, that would be a really

interesting test for me where I'm like, you know that they have you can you just kind of put your email down. That's true. You can really do that. I also could just buy some construction paper and cover up my own fucking windows. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But as someone who would like to see what complete blackout darkness would do to me, would I end up in a natural sleep cycle?

I don't know. I feel like that makes sense for a. living person, but this cannot be real science for a ghost. Exactly. To build the darkness. And you're totally right. It's like he's acting like now they're locked in as if windows were their only way out. Yeah, right. Maybe the shattered window. He was like one escaped. I could see like pissing them off and riling them up. Oh, for sure. He should have just said that. If you do that days in advance, like that's fucked up. Like if somebody was like, I'm coming over and a few days beforehand, I'm just going to make you live in the bitch black for three.

I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you, asshole? I literally, if you said, oh, I'll be there in a week. Also, um, tonight there should be a bunch of blackout curtains for you to install. Yeah, you know, those big exterminator tents. Yeah. Um, don't worry. You don't have a bug problem. I'm just going to put one of those over top just to see what happens.

Just to see what it's like when you're trapped inside. Yeah, I just want to fuck you up a little bit. Yeah. Well, so that was his whole thing. He was like, apparently everyone that he interviewed, it was like, oh, the day. days before I got here was it spookier? And they were like, yeah, man, it was so spooky. But also because like, first of all, because it's pitch black, everything's inherently

spookier. It's always spooky. Two, like, we're talking about this place being so haunted that, like, bricks are getting thrown at people and windows are shattering. And you hired a bunch of random people to go in there with construction paper and, and tarps and just make them, make it get infinitely darker as they were working in there. And then talk about how scary it is for your television show. Yeah.

Can you imagine being the person, like, same with like a bad, runner or something for the cameras. And it's like, you don't even get the pat on the back for like having to run through that house all by yourself. But like, scary than anything. Yeah, exactly. It's not even on camera. You don't get credit.

Yeah. Okay. So anyway, I talked too long about that. As soon as activity hits, Zach thinks that the spirit is Mark Constantino, the guy who was married to Debbie slash also killed his friend, Debbie. Well, killed his wife. Oh, killed Zach's friend. Yeah.

So Zach was friends with the Constantinos. And then the husband ended up. committing a murder suicide. And I think Debbie and Zach in particular were very close. And the two of them were also ghost hunters, right? So they were due investigation. Okay. Thank you.

Yeah, I don't know who's listened to the previous. Yeah, I'm just filling in my own blanks too. No, but so Zach acted very, like he didn't even want to say Mark Constantino's name. So when he was like, I feel like it's him, it's him. Say it. Say it. Say it.

Say it. say it. Making other people say, I thought you meant he was making the ghost, but he's making other people on the production or like in their cruise on it. Yeah, they had like at one point they had like a medium there and the medium had known the car. He wouldn't say the name. That's crazy. It sounds like him. You know who I'm talking about. Say it. Say it. Say his name. And I was like, you know, chicken shit. What the hell is wrong with you? Unless like he's thinking like words or spells or something and he doesn't want to like conjure anything. But it's like you're making other people do it. Exactly like a fucking little baby. You do it if you're not so scared of it. You're not so scared of it. anything. So as soon as activity happens, he's like, oh, Mark's here. No evidence of that. Well, he says someone's here. You know who I mean. Say it.

Yeah. So Zach then interviews two people who have been attacked by something here. During this, they get EVPs of someone saying, hey, Zach. And then this one was kind of fun. And EVP of someone saying, Aaron, it's Hotel Hell. Get out. I thought like Chuckie or something. Yeah, it does.

It sounds like. Aaron. like a horror movie. So also during this interview, Zach, then, oh, let's travel back to the previous episode where I said that one of the things that only Ghost of Venture specifically has encountered here are possessions. That's right. And maybe that's not true, but in all of the, like, reading up on this place, I didn't

see anyone else talking about getting, like, weird attachments. It's not, like, known for that or anything. And then as soon as Zach was there and did their 2004 documentary, they were doing a seance with one of the caretakers who like then all of a sudden seemed to not be herself anymore. I was like, that's interesting. And nobody's talking about it. So now we're back. And 17 years later, as soon as that gets there, he shows signs of an attachment affecting him.

And he says he feels something in one of the rooms. He gets unnecessarily aggressive and hostile. And he starts feeling very violent towards one of the one of the people he was interviewing. Oh, oh. And the woman even asks to go back into the room with him because he's like, he literally stops the interviews. Like, I don't even want to do this interview. Something's in that room.

We have to go in that room. And he's like getting really mad about it. I don't know why not a single person went, girl, back the fuck up. What's wrong with you? Because he probably behaves his way off camera. I feel like there's some like hot live mic that has caught Aaron going, there he goes again. You know, like. Oh, probably, yeah, probably worse than that.

Probably like, cut the camera. cameras. Well, so he's acting super aggressive and he's like, I'm quitting the interview. I have to go into this room back here as if the room's like attaching him to it. And the woman is like, oh, can I? Love that it's a woman, by the way. And she's not even scared of him being aggressive or arguably the haunted room. And she's like, oh, can I go back there with you? I just want to like be in there and see if I feel anything. And then he starts threatening her and saying, you don't want to do that. You don't want to do that. When like, it's just him in there. Well, you just fucking relax guy. I know. And then the woman at some point she was like, I feel kind of nauseous.

I have to leave. And I'm like, yeah, same girl. We all do. Same. So that's the only thing that happened night one is that he acted like there was, he was getting attached, just like something was attaching to him and he was violent and he threatened one of the people he was interviewing. And then cut the interview short. That was the whole first night. Okay, cool.

Kind of makes the attachment thing feel more believable to me, if at all, because it's like, oh, that's the only thing that happened. Usually you would milk this. Like, yes. You heard sounds or something, but this is the only thing. you said happened the first thing. True. And it reminds me of that first time when they went two weeks of ghost hunting before they

even caught anything. You know, it's sort of like, okay, I see you, like not completely filling it with fake shit right away. Yes, yes. I can, it's like, that makes me at least respect the fact that you didn't go crazy. Mm-hmm. So then night two, before they ever even got there, different ghost adventure members of the crew all experienced images of a violent car.

crash. Oh. Like one had a nightmare about it. One had a flash in his mind. And another one saw an actual car crash on the way to the hotel, to the which one would you rather? If you had to experience an ominous. Fuck Mary Kill.

Yeah, I know. If you had to experience an ominous like foreshadowing of something like that. Um, I mean, I would like to be as removed as possible. So I would just like to have a nightmare about it because then I could justify it as a nightmare. Yeah. Because if I had a flash in my mind, I'd be like, did I. I just have a fucking premonition and I'd go out of my mind paranoid. I think I would do the premonition.

Really? Yeah, because I don't know. Dreams scare me a little bit. I think I'd be, well. I think, but I have so many crazy dreams that I'm like, okay. Like I had a dream recently that everyone at the dog park is a spy. You know what I mean? Wait, who told you?

Don't even with me. Speaking of Fuck Mary Kill, I went to a bridal shower this week. and or this weekend. And I was really bold. I don't know why I felt it was in me to make this like the first point of conversation I had with them. But it was pretty much a litmus test to see if like they passed the vibe check. And they totally did.

There was like a huge like food spread. And there was a bunch of different chips. There was bruffles, tortilla chips and pita chips. I just went, oh, fuck Mary Kill. And I just pointed out of the chips. Very good. And it turned into like 30 minutes. of a really solid conversation. It's a really good conversation starter. So I ask you, fuck

Mary Kill, Pita chips, tortilla chips, ruffles. Fuck the ruffles. Interesting. Kill the tortilla chips and marry the pita chips. Interesting. I think the ruffles are a little rich for me. Like, I wouldn't want it as like my every day, you know? You don't want someone rich every day? That's crazy. Just on the side. You know? See, I thought like when I think tortilla chips. I think like they know how to party. Like you're going to have some crazy dips and sauces and stuff and have a good time. I think tortilla, I'm sort of like hit or miss because it's like sometimes they're so flimsy because you buy the cheap boat ones and they're just like. And then last night I went to eat a hinto lime chip. Ugh, not my time. Not my time. And it was stale. And I was like,

but the ruffles. No, ruffles. I think I'm not. This is why I said marry the ruffles because they're reliable. They are stable. You can put them with anything and it's going to make some sense, especially in a house of sandwiches that I live in. You can always rely on a ruffle. I would also marry, well, anyway. Anyway, just a little break in the monotony of Zach Begin. So please comment below, fuck Mary Kill. Yeah, let us know.

And if there's another ship that didn't get mentioned that we should throw in the wringer, let us know too. Good point. So anyway, where were we? I don't know. Oh, yeah, violent car crashes. So he, Zach had the nightmare. and actually very creepy.

He had a nightmare of apparently something so vivid. He, like, didn't even want to talk about it. He seemed actually very rattled about it. Oh, Zach had the nightmare. Okay. And at the exact moment he woke up in his hotel room from this nightmare, the entire hotel had a blackout at 3 in the morning. And then he did his mental gymnastics and he was like,

it was the spirits trying to make me feel as trapped as I made them feel in the dark. And it's like, okay. First of all, you're projecting. That's what that's called. Yeah, you're sleepy. It's 3 a.m. Go back to bed. On this night, this is where it gets like, you ask me if I believe this stuff.

If I believe. Yeah. You go watch it and it feels at face value incredibly fake. Oh, it does. I think, I don't know. I don't know. It feels fake, but then I want to believe it. Or it's like really real and I'm in denial and I'm telling myself it's fake.

I can't fucking tell, but it's going to sound ridiculous of things I'm saying. Okay. You got it. I already can hear people across the nation going, bitch, it's fucking not. Like, why are we doing this? Maybe I'll believe it. You never know.

Sometimes I surprise even myself. I don't know why I'm so gullible. I, part of me, I don't know. It was, if it's real, it's a scariest fucking thing he's ever filmed. Okay. So on this night, they have a medium come in. His name was Chris. And he knew the Constantinos.

He has been investigating this. place for a very long time and thus arguably has an attachment to the hotel and the hotel not like a literal ghostly one but just like a rapport with the hook oh you think literally an attachment I think he oh okay I think he claims to have an attachment or Zach just said a lot that this guy is attached to the hotel sure um so soon soon after Chris shows up um there are a bunch of EVPs or no sorry they're interviewing Chris and he's talking about what he's gotten in the past and he's gotten EBPs, including hate you, hurt you, fear evil,

all is one sentence. And then a voice that apparently was saying, breathe me in to every single person. To every person. I would literally All your nose and no. All of a sudden, I'm an Olympic diver

and I've never needed my breath. All of a sudden, I'm like running out of the house. Looking like a verge of escaping a fart. Passing out. Yeah. Um, so I did, so this was a theory that I was a little like, okay, whatever, but then I was impressed because my own theories got mentioned in this. He's talking about the voice going around saying, breathe me in, breathe me in during a seance, by the way, yuck.

Creepy. But he said it sounded like Mark Constantino. So I don't know if we're just like really hyping up this Constantine thing or he really meant it. But if it was Mark's voice, his theory matches my theory about the afterlife. And he said, we all. think it was Mark, Mark's ghost from the past coming to the future to warn us about what he would do. And I'm like, that's quite a leap, but I appreciate the time travel theory that I'm, I keep pitching. Yeah. So then what's the breathe me in thing? I think it was like, I have no fucking clue. I'm not going to try justify it. I was going to try justify it. I don't fucking know. These people are. Because I was like, oh, I could, I guess I could understand,

but I don't really understand how that has to do with the. You go watch it and let me know because I'm telling I don't think I'm going to get much clarity. I think you're doing as you're literally doing as the best job as you can, I think. Thank you. The leaps and hurdles are a little out of control. Yeah. So pretty soon Chris starts feeling shaky and visibly seems to be fighting something, taking over him. Oh.

And then he literally doubles over and in a different darker voice starts grunting. Ah! Literally. Ugh. That kind of shit. No. No. And then in this dark, creepy voice, he says,

I am here. I need to go. You have come into my... You have come into my house again. It is unacceptable. I am angry. You brought them here. People come because of you.

He's like... So like, if it's real, horrific. Uh-huh. Is it real? I just don't know. You know, and then I'm like kind of playing the middle part where I'm like, well, you know, maybe he's channeling something. Like maybe he's not possessed.

But if he's a medium, maybe he's channeling something. But also, you're right, it's a little, it's a little theatrical. If you, like, and maybe this ghost loves theatrics. Like, I mean, and like, if it's real, right, props, that's crazy. I fear if I were a ghost people when I would have this same conundrum where people be like, was that a real haunting? And even though I put my best foot forward, it would be so theatrical.

You would draw something in glow in the dark on the wall and they'd be like, well, that certainly couldn't have been a ghost. Yeah. You'd be like, what the fuck I worked so hard on that? And I'm sitting there with my like empty paint bucket full of glow in the dark stuff. And I'm like, I worked so hard on it. It's so sad. So this guy is being is channeling something and is saying really dark horrid shit and as this is happening Aaron, which makes it more believable to me because I don't think to me I don't think Aaron strikes me as the person who's trying to do this for the theatrics. I don't know. He's on the pay ball, you know, so maybe he is. But Aaron seems to be witnessing this and watching this medium like try to fight something inside of him. And then Aaron starts acting really off and literally like puts his equipment down. He's standing there and like,

kind of like, looking uneasy. You're right. It freaks me out when Aaron gets creepy. Yeah, because I think Aaron just wants to do his fucking job and leave. And he's not, I mean, no offense to Aaron because everyone has their strengths, but he's not like the most theatrical. He's not theatrical like Zach. Like he's not like ready for like, he's not center stage.

That's his whole thing. He is, I think he's supposed to be more of the straight man and all of this. The wing man, the straight man. Exactly. And so it's like, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it creeps me out. You're right.

When he starts, when he starts, I'm like, not you too. He starts seeming really uneasy. And honestly, the cameras weren't even pointed at him. Like a random X camera caught him kind of acting odd, which makes it feel a little more believable. But then without saying anything, the medium kind of comes back to his normal state. And then Aaron turns and looks at Billy and just straight up attacks him and starts screaming, get the fuck out of here. Oh, shit. Like attacks him where like Billy's screaming and on the floor and scared of him.

Oh my God. Like physically attacks him. Physically attacks him where like, like Zach is trying to rip him off of him and can't. And Billy later said that it felt like he had superhuman strength. Crazy. Jesus. So then later Chris gets possessed again.

This time, this is like, I wish you were with me when I watched this because nothing would, no commentary I'm going to make would have beat whatever was going to come out of your mouth in real time. Chris becomes possessed again. And this time they have an SLS pointed at him, which like shows you,

like the stick figure version of if there's any spirits around you. Right. And the SLS catches this figure crawling over to Chris. And Chris can't see the SLS. Chris doesn't know this. And can you confirm on an SLS? It's like you can't make that up. Like that's...

No, no, no, especially if it's moving. Yeah. So this thing is crawling. He does not know this, but it is perfectly sinking with him acting weirder and weirder as this thing's getting closer to him. No! And all of a sudden, this thing, once it crawls over to him,

they tried so hard to keep it together, but I know Zach wanted to say a gay joke. I know he wanted to. Please. Because this thing crawls over and then stays on its knees kneeling in front of Chris with its head next to his crotch

the whole time. It looks like this... That's where we need that hot mic footage. That's where we need Aaron to pull through and give us that hot mic footage that's been relegated to the trash. You can hear Zach, his voice gets higher because he's like, do you see this?

Like, he's like clearly he wants to say something so bad and he isn't. This seventh grade boy in him is fucking losing it. Yes. You could hear this. You could hear 12 year old Zach come out. It's very. You know later that night that he just wouldn't give it a rest.

No, he made a million jokes about it, I'm sure. Oh. But it absolutely looked like this thing was like honestly blowing Chris and, well, and possessing him. Possessing him by that. I love that they put the footage in, but they were like, let's just cut out the commentary. Everyone will just read between the lines. Well, they kept it in

because, again, Chris doesn't know this happening because he can't see what they're seeing on their camera screen. But as this thing is now like in position, all of a sudden Chris starts in that same creepy voices earlier saying even more quote, demonic possession kind

of stuff. Where he says what? You come to us now when we've been here for many years. What is it that you seek now in our darkness when you have come for us now. What the fuck? Like yuck.

Wait, which one of them is this? This is the medium Chris who is getting blown by the ghost. I've never, you know. Listen, Zach's not going to say it. We have the both to say it. I said it. And also, like, I love when I finally say a new sentence. It's refreshing when I'm like.

Honestly, it's really enjoyable. Like, yeah, it's, I appreciated it. It made me feel rejuvenated. Yeah. you deserve that so also this is x-rated sorry if your children are in the car um so and we're talking about people are getting beheaded and shit on this show i think uh sure i mean not quite yet today but um in time so uh yeah so this creepy voice is coming out of the medium saying what is it that you seek and blah blah blah um Zach is freaking the fuck out he does say um the medium's full name and apparently

that shakes chris out of it and all of a sudden he's acting totally fine as if nothing happened. And what Chris doesn't know, as he seems to kind of wake up out of this weird trance, is that in that exact same moment on the SLS, the figure goes away. So it does weirdly time up with what's happening in real life. So Zach says his full name and then the thing kind of poof. Yes, exactly. Wow, that's spooky. Later, they also see shadows and apparitions. They hear voices. A ball they leave in a room moves by itself. During a spirit box session, Billy starts freaking out and says he can't feel his body. And then he starts screaming like something's cutting him up alive.

Like he's, I've never, like, he really was seeing something with his eyes that wasn't there. And he's screaming bloody murder. And hasn't he already been attacked by Aaron? So it's not like, yeah. Like he's already been on the floor attacked by Aaron. So something's off. They ends up using the spirit box again and they get a couple things. But the most notable one is when Zach,

says, because they think it's Mark, and they're like, oh, well, this guy knows us. If you know us so well, say something about us. So Zach says, what year was I born? And immediately the spirit box is 77. And he goes, nope, actually I'm only 28 years old. Yeah. No, he actually freaks out. He just keeps going, he keeps going 77, 77, he said 77. It's like, okay, so I'll never forget what year you were born. I know the amount of time they waste with just like him saying the same thing that we just saw all together over and over. And then you hear, was this spirit saying the year that I was born? How, like this is like fucking cocoa melon level. Like you're repeating it over and over and over. Like I saw it with my own two eyes, bud. We were there. And you put captions up three times.

We're good. And you replayed it 80,000 times for us. And they'll do it again at the very end. Now do it again. So that was night two. Night three, they decided they're going to actually investigate a tunnel that's connected to the basement of this hotel. Spooky. And the tunnel connects to another building on the other side of the road.

So there's a shared tunnel between this random store and this haunted-out hotel. Oh, I love that. Apparently the store says that the tunnel is in fact super haunted and it's so haunted that they have nailed their end of the I was going to say, I bet they blocked it. They literally said it's so effing scary that they had to nail their door shut to the basement. So they said

that in their, or to the tunnel, sorry, in the basement that connects their tunnel to the hotel their side of the tunnels at the hotel. They said there's a rumor of a little girl who was killed and buried down there. Some see the little girl as a ghost downstairs, but they're unsure if it's

really the little girl or a demon in disguise. Yuck. They never are. been there before. Mm-hmm. And some activity goes on here. The creepiest thing is that a camera catches the owners later on after the ghost of interest crew has left. I guess they, like, left a camera behind just in case.

And you can hear the two store owners talking. Mm-hmm. And I don't think they realize that they were being filmed or they forgot for a second. And they go, do you smell that? It smells like dead bodies down there. And like they didn't even, you could just hear them just talking to each other. like what does that smell? It smells like dead bodies. So I guess the sulfuric smell of something demonic happening is the point of that.

But the final part of the night, this is, I mean, the creme de la creme, you would have eaten this up for sure. I can imagine you and a box of wine and a thing to say. You got something to say. It's going to be about this. I'm ready. Zach decides that it is his job to go into the basement of the Goldfield Hotel. and he's going to go down there, pitch black with no light source. He's going to have cameras just strapped to his shoulders and infrareds. Like, they're catching everything. But as far as he knows, he sees nothing.

So he's, and he goes by himself with nobody else to help him. It's just him and the pitch black in the basement of the Goldfield Hotel. Kind of like, like trying to find his way. Yes. Okay. So while he's down there, he is so fucking freaked out. I like it's like it's actually very like poetic in some way that of course it happened at the goldfield hotel but he seems so freaked out as if it's his first time at the goldfield hotel again and he's so freaked at one point he says that he feels like his body is getting frozen by something and then he hears this huge bang which you can hear on on the camera here a huge bang he gets so scared Christine this would have been the moment of your highlight of your year he gets so scared that he tries to run away but it's pitch black and he runs fucking face versus into a wall and hits the ground.

No, buddy. But like, and you can see. Buddy, there's a wall there. He clearly, there was an X cam down there. So like the camera caught him going bam into the wall and then hitting the ground. And he just stays on the ground in the fetal position because he's so scared and he screams into the walkie for somebody to come get him. It's just like, it's not that I think it's very, very funny, but it's so fucking nice to see him being human and just being scared.

Oh my God. You don't really see the authentic childlike version of him come out that often. He was horrified. He's like a kid. Not even saying like, Aaron, I need you to come down scared. I'm scared.

He's like screaming like, help me, help me, help me. Like he's freaked out. Holy shit, dude. And it's just so nice to see that he's a normal fucking person under all of that. How refreshing. Yeah. And I respect him more if he was like, I'm a little scared. It's like, no, you're not. or if you are like show it like make make yourself relatable like be the every man you're meant to be

you know be a common man Zach please be a common man just like us so anyway when they go down there another loud sound happens um and then the spirit box says it's time hello what does that mean and then the episode ends with them going into it just it's a full circle if they go into the room where the brick was thrown in the original documentary. And they get some, like, creepy spirit box stuff. They feel nauseous, but that's kind of it. But anyway, that is their return to the Goldfield Hotel. Man, that took way too long.

Oh, no, that was good, dude. That was creepy as fuck. I can't believe I thought I could get all three of those episodes in one episode at one point. Who are you, me trying to cram 25 pages into one episode? I know. Anyway, for legal purposes, that was just a commentary on an episode. Look, I drank my whole freaking coffee that I'm going to have to pee the entire rest of the episode. I'm glad that I'm glad that I finally got through it.

Wow. But it was, it was, it was worth watching to see him just a little scared for once. Would you go in the tunnel? Not alone. Would you? If I had a camera with me. genius. But not alone without one, because I would have to prove it.

Yeah. Oh, no, you have to have a camera for sure. I would go down if I was in a group full of people and all of them were too scared. I would feel like I needed to step up and do it. But like, I would not be happy. I think I'd be same as you. I think you and I would just like egg each other on or like in a group environment managed to get in there. But you're right.

We probably wouldn't like, here I go first. Yeah. Like when we went to probably Bobby Mackey's, I would say I remember you and Eva were off doing your own thing and I was in a room by myself and I remember thinking,

I am so fucking scared right now. And then I was like, I gotta be strong, I gotta be strong. But then like five minutes later I didn't feel anything. So I think it like it kind of comes into those. It is weird how that happens. And like, yeah, I don't get,

thank God, I don't get that way in my house. But like some houses growing up, I would feel that way where I'd be like, I mean, like you were saying with your house, like, soap, and I don't know if we even had a ghost or if it was just like I was scared because I was a kid, but like that petrifying feeling of like, I'm too scared to move. I'm too scared to open my eyes. I'm too scared to even turn over and look like if I heard a sound. Oh gosh. Yeah. When was the last time you felt that way? Hmm. Oh. I feel like when I was younger, it happened a lot. And I don't want to say it was because I was younger. I just like, I don't know why I feel. like I had more experiences like that then. I agree. I don't.

Maybe it's just harder to reason when you're younger. And when we're older, we have so much more experience of when we get scared like that nothing ends up happening. So I think over time you're like, oh, okay. Even if I feel scared, it's usually not enough to get you so petrified unless there's like a literal person walking up the stairs or something like that. I would also. It's been a while.

I would also argue like since we're both into like the spooky stuff, I feel like, maybe we just had to learn over time like boundaries with spirits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's true. Because now I do kind of what you do where like immediately if I feel anything, I'm like, hey, let's set a, let's set a boundary first before we get anywhere. Because yeah, that and I feel like that helps with like at least confidence about like not being as petrified. But it's been a long time that I've, since I felt. I think the last time I felt that way was probably like when I thought someone was like in the house or something. thing. I don't know. Sure. Yeah. Well, I'm going to pee and then we can talk to my ghost and see what's going on. Okay, perfect. I'll go through. Okay, BRB. Miracle made sheets. I got to say, I was a little

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I would agree. We had it in the middle of it, the second act was really scary. We had our ghost apps just chatting away and they couldn't even hear each other. but they were saying things like through the screen, I can't reach. I mean, it was creepy. Anyway. Horrific, some might say. I didn't care for it, but I'm happy to have turned it off since.

Yeah, and M said goodbye a million times. We turned it off. We're back. We're back. We've always been back. We're back. Back, back. All right.

I have a story for you today. This is one that my friend Julio brought up in a text the other day. And a few days ago, I was like, oh, I have to come up with a topic. And I was like, my friend Julio texted me. How do I text him back, but pretend like it's not to get that topic idea and pretend like I was just wanting to chat? Anyway, I failed miserably and I said, I'm using you for your good story ideas. So I'm going to cover today the disappearance of Dorothy Arnold, a socialite from New York. York City. I love a socialite in New York City. You know she probably lived in a

Groundstone as we just discussed. Don't you know it? I actually have pictures of her immediately because I was like she'd want you to know. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, of course, always. Dorothy, what was her last name? Dorothy Arnold. And the weirdest part, I don't know if it's the weirdest part. To me, it was very weird. I saw it and I went, damn it, I've already covered that. Oh. And then I looked and I was like, I haven't covered that. And then I googled her and went, oh, wait, no, I don't know her.

But the second I saw her name, I was like, oh, I've done that one before. Interesting. Well, I feel like Dorothy Arnold feels like a name that we ought to know, you know? Maybe, maybe. Maybe that's what it is. Like a familiar name. Let's see. I'm ready for my breath to be taken.

I mean, look at that stance with those boots. She was. She's the Daisy Duck of her days. She was a daisy duck of her days and she knew it. She's got some beautiful eyes. She's got some pizzazz. I like her nose. I like everything going on.

I don't know about the bonnet, but, you know, I guess that was it back then. The style, not my taste, but you know what? My style wouldn't be her taste. I'm wearing a shirt that just has asparagus on it. So, you know, we've all got different things going on. Who wouldn't find that tasteful? who in their right mind. And by the way, this is my call to action to Knott's Berry Farm.

I am so mad at you. I'm not kidding. If somebody knows somebody who works at Natsbury Farm and the merchandising, you simply must tell them I'm looking for them. I have tried to message. Wait, did you get the other picture too? Yeah. That's why I said I liked her nose.

Oh, but did you get the first one? Yes, I saw the outfit. Don't worry. Sorry, sorry. I want to make sure. Not Spray Farm. A few years ago, I, and you might be interested in this, Christine, unless you want to just sit back and be a second here. I fell in love with this shirt.

It says, Incredible Asparagus. I love it so much. And this was a line of shirts where every shirt was a different vegetable. And there was like broccoli. You're right. I am interested in this. Thank you for distracting me from my notes to listen to this. Go on.

Okay, but not spray farm. I'm not kidding. I really, I need somebody who knows Natsbury Farm to get. Get them on the horn. I have emailed. I have DM'd and the DM then like cut because I guess like they don't take public DMs. Because I guess they blocked you.

I've reached out in every, every way I can. I've tried calling. Nobody answered. Okay. Okay. I, my plan when I got this shirt, I was like, asparagus will be just the first of many.

I'm going to get all of them. I want them so bad. And I remember at some point, don't be an idiot. When I was there, I took a picture of them at like the whole line being like, these are incredible shorts. Whoever put these out is so.

fucking funny. You are an idiot. And so I always thought next time I go back, I'm going to get another one. And another one, it'll be like my trinket every time. Okay. They're, first of all, they're gone. They don't exist anymore. I cannot find one of them at all online anywhere.

Oh, that's weird. The picture I took is missing. You're right. I'm interested. You got me. The picture I took is missing off my phone. I swear to God, if this, if I was not wearing this shirt, I would think that, you're think that it was some sort of Mandela effect and I totally I've never actually seen the shirt and

it was all a dream. Okay, wait. Whoa. Okay, wait. Can I see the shirt like the full shirt? Yes. It says Natsbury Farm. Wait, pull it like stand up a little bit. Not, oh, not's very, sorry, it says Nott's Farm produce, incredible asparagus. Of course it says. If this is a Mandela effect, I'm going to, I'm going to believe in. I feel like you're going to look at the picture on your phone now and it's going to say like Disney World and it's not actually going to be like it's going to be like 1399 at Walmart yeah I've looked everywhere and nobody will help me but all we want to do is reach up okay nobody will help me don't nobody will help me don't see like on the side of the road with a flat tire you fucking crazy nobody will

help me I know they probably didn't sell well because people don't have good humor so I'm thinking they're in a box somewhere that's right they're so they're so okay so I just want case scenario if they do exist and they're in a box. Someone who has the key to the warehouse, I'm telling you, I will buy them with my own cold, hard cash. I will buy, I want one of every single one. I just want to own them. It's not that hard. What were the other ones to your recollection?

Was there, like, I assume a carrot. I'm picturing? One was definitely broccoli. Oh, broccoli. And then there was like, I think there was, um, different, there was carrots. Bell pepper? Hmm? Bell pepper?

Maybe a bell pepper. maybe a oh like a snap pea like a green bean it was all vegetables i think there was some fruit but they really do try to promote their boisenberries which is why i guess this didn't fucking last but i thought asparagus at a boisenberry theme park is hysterical i thought it was so funny no it is i appreciate the human personally i will say i appreciate the humor and i find it a very fun and appropriate shirt so i don't see what i don't see what everyone's fucking problem is the the way that the people of and that's why we drink The listeners, the way that they rallied together when it came to, my love for Tony Choccolony, the way they came together for London Foggs. I really need people to- Yeah, when am I going to get something out of this? You just got to start begging for things, and I'm begging right now, everybody, please God help me. I know together in numbers, we can make this happen.

I want you to be really honest. Have you ever actually prayed for it? I'm right, I'm right. No, you didn't. I've literally been, I've at least gone into full lunacy, and I'm like. Okay, that I believe. If you went into religious psychosis, I'd be like, yeah, I could picture it. I have, I have, okay, the closest to religious psychosis I've hit is me truly thinking I am

crazy and it doesn't exist, but then I look at the shirt and I'm like, I'm a little bit scared. Why? Because, no, I'm like Googling it and I just did like reverse image search or like Google. It's like nowhere to be found. It's there's not, it doesn't know what I'm talking about. And there was like 15 of them. Like, I'm not kidding. There were so many that had there been.

And the picture's gone. You know me. You know. that if there was even just five like this, I would have bought all five in one sitting. But there was so many. Oh, I was wondering if you were just doing like,

you had to restrict yourself to one. Oh, but there were a lot of them. There were so many that I was like, I can't possibly buy this money today. I'm just going to have to break it up and do one, one, one,

one, one. Do you think it was, this is like a weird, random thought. Do you think they were like, is there something wrong with them? And they were like, like, maybe is there a,

like, misspelling or something? or like is it AI? Like is there something that's off that? I guess. No, it's right. Asper,

I guess. I'm telling you, it's my favorite shirt and I, I'm horrified of the day that I wear it so much at thins and I can't buy a new one. Yeah. But honestly, I hate to be this person. That does make it a lot more special.

I think I'm the only person on Earth who bought one of any of the line. Like, can you imagine everybody else in your, in that timeline who was wearing one of those fucking dumbass vegetables shirts got obliterated in like a nuclear blast and you somehow escaped that timeline and kept the fucking shirt. You literally left that timeline and all you got was this fucking asparagus shirt. If someone can make me a shirt that says I got blasted from a nuclear explosion into another timeline and all I got was this fucking asparagus shirt from a Boysenberry store.

I would love that. But I also need the other shirts too. Wait, wait, yeah, but that can't Trump. That can't trump our original mission. Right. That's a side quest. That's a side quest. I'm not kidding. If you happen to know the president of Nottsbury Farm, you tell them I'm so mad and all I want

to do. I'll sing your praises all day. I'll do it for free. Just give me the goddamn shirts. At least tell me they exist somewhere. Not very far. I mean, I know you've done all this, but I'm just, I'm, this is actually my true crime case today.

This is the closest to actually thinking I'm in a glitch in the Matrix. I'm actually kind of creeped out. It's like like not a single one exists. There's not a single picture. anywhere of one existing. There's not. There's not. Like, if I wasn't wearing it, I wouldn't believe it was real.

Like, there's one, this is what it, it's like, oh, do you mean this? It's a white shirt that says, in green letters, vegetables. I'm like, yeah, that's what I mean, you fucking dumb, idiot. I'm telling you, I like, if this shirt ever goes missing or thrown away or something, I will be convinced that the timeline just totally eradicated and like, that, now it no evidence is left. 100%. That is a...

Honestly, I've never believed in Mandela effects. And like, you've made me a believer today. Thank you. I'm not, I like, I know I'm joking. I'm like really actually like so fervently passionate about needing. Natalie, I like, I would love the piece of mind that these shirts do exist somewhere and that I could make a purchase. But realistically, I think for emotional damages, knots needs to send me every single one in my

size, which is two eggs, by the way. They have some splain in to do. That's right. And they also have some. very, very, very kind promo boxes to send your way. I couldn't say it out of myself. Yeah, yeah. I totally agree.

You know, when you started the story, I really was in, I thought better of kind of humanity and the world and like the state of how things were. And now I feel like I've dropped. But also I feel like I kind of, I see it now. I see the problems. I see the real problems. This is my call to action that everyone needs to rally together. Nothing else in the world is really going on, right?

There's nothing bigger that we should all be fighting for. Something worth fighting for. Finally, we can come together as a proper nation and just getting my produce shirts. It's not that hard. Like, I want to encourage vegetables, you know? Agriculture, ever heard of it. Farmers. I'm very pro farmer.

Make America healthy again. Nope, that's not it. Whatever Michelle Obama said. Sure, the thing about stepping a few thousand times a day and all that is great, it's tough. come on. I'm telling, like, I would eat a hundred pounds of asparagus just to know that this asparagus shirt exists somewhere else. I would eat 100 pounds of asparagus just to know that I don't have to believe in Mandela

effects because, like, I would really be comforted by that because I don't, I still don't really ascribe to that whole thing. I, so, oh. More than anything, I really appreciate you letting me speak for the last 10 minutes. I mean, I'm tripping balls here. Like, it's been two years, three years where I'm like, where the fuck are these other shirts? And why did they go missing so quickly?

Like, so quickly. I am astounded about this because I thought I would do just a quick search and at least find one on eBay, something similar. Not a nothing. Like a different year, a different season. I've been on like Mercari, poshmark, like anything I can think of. There's nothing. Okay. Do you think we'll ever find them?

M. Please God, somebody help me. I'm begging. Okay. Okay. Do we want to, we're going to have to send me. Poor Megan. She's going to be just like the work.

Get the farmers on the horn, every one until we find the right one. And not that horn. The horn means the phone. Not the cool farmer horn that they probably also have. Okay. Okay. Not the tractor horn. You know what I'm saying?

Right, right, right. Okay. So you have a picture now of Dorothy Arnold, and she's a beautiful young socialite. Let's go back to her. I don't know how we got to my asparagus shirt. Oh, her bonnets. Her bonnets. What is your style?

And now we really know what is your style. Right. I do, I appreciate the little polka dots on her dress and the, and what's it, what the fringe is how it's called at the bottom. Yes, very tassels almost. Yeah,

like fringe for sure. I love a tassel. Love a tassel. You know, but isn't this amazing that you like could find something like these pictures in, um, a thrift store and like not and be like, these are nice and like not know that this was.

Yeah. One of New York City's first like major missing person's cases. I mean, even like knowing that what year was this to know that in 2026 that people could still see this picture because you probably felt like oh I'm taking this for my like immediate family and then it'll never be seen again and now like 100 years later or totally it's getting yeah yeah this is just weird now yeah that's kind of creeping me out a little bit what I don't know I don't know it's just creeping me out well you know what the creepiest part is that we could find this

picture from 100 years ago and not a fucking asparagus shirt but You know what, I hope for your sake, someday you get back to that timeline and just scoop up some shirts and come back, you know. I found them and my hair will be all, like, frayed from my journeys. It'll be like inside a box lunch or like a hot topic. They'll be selling them there. Okay. So I originally heard about this story on Box of Audities years ago. I think it was like 2019.

But I'm going to tell you the story about. the disappearance of the socialite was one of the first disappearances, at least one of the first, like, big PR, uh, disappearances in New York City. And it took place in the early 1900s. Okay. So, Dorothy was born Dorothy Harriet, Camille Arnold.

July 1st, 1885. You know she is fancy. She has a lot of names. Oh, yeah. She was born in Manhattan to Francis Rose Arnold and Mary Martha Parks, Arnold. She was the second of, for children and was raised in immense privilege. And you're right, probably lived in a very large brownstone. I hope. Her paternal lineage traced directly back to English passengers who arrived in

North America on the Mayflower. Her family was prominently listed in the social register of New York. Her father was a very wealthy man. He had actually accumulated vast wealth as a perfume sort of manufacturer. So he was the senior partner of a firm that, like, imported, I wasn't the manufacturer. They imported, like, luxury items. So like perfumes and cosmetics, that kind of thing. Their social standing was further elevated by their connections to basically the Supreme Court, for lack of a better, more specific term, because Dorothy's aunt, Henriette Maria Arnold, was married to a Supreme Court Justice named Rufus Peckham. So they are like elite.

Gossip girl. Right. Yes, exactly. Like picture that vibe, but make it like early. Victory or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually have a note on that, on like the time period. Oh, okay.

Because we're always interested in that too. So unlike many women of her like social strata, who only went to school for like, finishing school rather than, you know, to get a career, right? Like, that wasn't the vibe back then. Dorothy, though, she was educated at a very rigorous school called the Velton School for Girls, which sounds terrifying. And then she went to Brynmar. So she had quite an extensive education, and she loved to write. So she graduated from Brynmar in 1905 with a major in literature or a degree in literature and language.

Cool. And she really, really liked to write. But here's where, once again, women just can't have it all, okay? Or can they have anything? Nobody knows. She wanted so badly to be a published author, a professional author, that was her dream to write. Okay.

And after graduating, she went back to live in her family's home because it's this, like, multi-story mansion in Manhattan. So, of course, you would go back to live there after college. And she decided to try to launch her writing career. Now here's where we get into like the eras. So gilded age, it was called the gilded age. And that was because there was such disparity that like this one family had like a multi-story mansion in Manhattan.

And then there was just extreme poverty on the other hand. And so it was called like the Gilded Age. Like things were looking polished, but underneath was shit, you know. Interesting. Okay. So the Gilded Age or the Edwardian era, which I think was the more UK version of this, high status women were meant to be societally acceptable and then married off sort of as like a prize or what have you to a wealthy man. And that was just the process.

But she wanted to write. She wanted to be an author. Love that. In the spring of 1910, Dorothy submitted a short story to McClure's magazine, but she received a rejection letter in the mail. And later, she submitted a second story called the Poinsettia Flames or sometimes called Lotus Leaves. And that was also rejected. And when her family saw those rejection letters, they fucking taunted her, like mercilessly. Oh, my God.

I like, horrible. Horrible. Why? Like, because she wasn't good enough on try one. do you think you are? Like why, you know, you're meant, like literally she was meant to, she wasn't even supposed to go to college. She was supposed to just like be pretty and well, I wonder if that was their whole thing.

It was like, oh, we send you to college and you still can't fucking do this. Like it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, oh, yeah, just totally. Also, one of the shows I listened to, I think it was Box of Audities, made the point to that like no one in high society respected that as a career as like a like that wasn't appropriate for anyone let alone like a woman and so it's not like they were respecting you know authors of the day who were men it's sort of like who do you think you are a and also like don't you remember you're a woman right like what a frivolous waste of time when there's so many

more other important things to be doing. Yuck. Yeah, it's not a good vibe at all. So she really wanted a break from the teasing and taunting. Remember, she also has three siblings and I think two brothers and they're just relentlessly mocking her. She wants a dedicated workspace. So she asks her father if she could rent a studio apartment in Greenwich Village because it's like an artsy area and she would feel like more at home and feel like she could, you know, be a long. people who understood why she loved to write. Her father refused the request stating that a good writer could write anywhere. So if she were a good writer, she would figure it out.

Jesus. And he said she would not be leaving home until she found an approved man for marriage. Yuck. I was going to say earlier, I was like, what's her relationship with her father if she's getting taunted? It's really good. It's really excellent. I was going to say, like, I'm sure he just sees, like, her as what was a

waste of money because he took a chance and sent her to college instead of her just getting married off and now he's wasted his money because you can't do anything. Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah. So he's looking at this as like a business transaction that's going south very quickly. Right. Yes. I will say like when she disappears, which we're we're about to get into like he does. No. Nah, he's still an asshole. No way. All right. So we're getting to the disappearance. It's Monday, December 12th, 1910. At this point, the Arnold household was heavily focused on preparations for the upcoming debutante ball of Dorothy's younger sister, Marjorie. She was being presented.

She's coming out to society. I was going to say the second you said debutante ball to her younger, non-college educated, non-waste of money sister, I can just tell that she's going to be the golden child in this story. Yeah, I think Marjorie is like fine in her parents' eyes at this point. So that was scheduled for later in the week, December 16th. And so the whole house was a flurry with getting ready for this debutante ball, snore and a half, in my opinion. Did you ever have to do debutante? We've talked about this.

We did cotillion. Like, yeah, I did cotillion. But by did cotillion, I mean, my stepmom was like, here, your dad bought you this brown skirt. And I'm going to drop you off at this gymnasium. And I was like, why? Yeah. I hated it. Understood.

And I feel like back then, you know, we, I did W, not W. I did a cotillion in like 2005, which is a long time ago to us. But even in 2005, I think it was not at all treated the way that. No, it wasn't like the true. 10 when it's like the big reveal of your maturity. Well, and you were in Virginia. I was in like Ohio. So I was even, I feel like further removed.

Like in my neck of the woods, it was like almost just like a tangential thing that some people did. but like it wasn't even like normal. Like I don't think, I didn't know a single other person who did it. And I literally don't know. I think I genuinely blocked a lot of it out, I think. So many people in my school did it at this,

in the same class, which was what made it so embarrassing. Like you couldn't hide it from your parents. Everyone knew you were at Ketling because you were, they were there too. Yeah. Oh my God. Anyway.

Dude, fuck that, man. Now I'm, now I'm, I got to go talk to my therapist. Oh my God. My therapist was like, I saw a flaming comment on the way to work and I thought of you. And I was like, thanks. What does that mean? She was like, I don't know what it means, but I feel like it means something. And I was like, yeah, I feel like it does. I don't know what. But anyway, my therapist recently did a thing where she literally pulled out the notepad and started writing when I spoke. No, no. Show me that right now. We're done here, actually. I'm not going to speak until you show me that piece of paper. Okay, here we go. So it's the morning of December 12th.

Everybody is getting ready for this debutante party that they're hosting for the younger sister. And Dorothy says, I'm going to go to the shops and I'm going to buy myself a dress for my younger sister's debutante party coming up. And now this is a little bit of a weird detail in context because her mother, Mary Arnold, offered to accompany Dorothy on this shopping trip. And apparently Mary was a little bit of a homebody at this point. Like she didn't really leave the house much. And so it was a little bit odd to people that she was offering to join her on the shopping trip. I don't quite know what that means. But Dorothy, I think maybe wasn't expecting her mother to ask her that.

And so she pretty strongly insisted, like, no, I'm going by myself. I prefer to go alone. Do we think she was like off to meet somebody? that is the ultimate question. Okay. That is the ultimate question. My immediate thought is she's gay and she's going to go be with her girlfriend. I wish.

I wish. I wish. I wish. Okay. Dorothy left the 79th Street mansion at approximately 11 a.m. carrying roughly $30 in cash, which today is like a thousand bucks. Yeah. Well, she had to go buy a dress.

Yes. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. She left behind, though, which is important, her passport, her jewelry, and all her luggage. Okay. So she planned on not being gone forever or internationally. Yeah, seemingly so. Historical rumors sometimes conflate the events here, but to be factual about this, because I had to kind of go digging for it. Dorothy, some people say Dorothy had plans to meet her mother for lunch at the Waldorf Astoria that afternoon. That is not true. It was actually a friend of hers named Gladys, whom she runs into on this shopping trip who was meeting her mother at the Waldorf Astoria. Okay.

So a lot of people throw that in like, oh, she had plans to meet her mom, but like she did not. She had, as far as we know, once she left the house and said she was going shopping, like, we know two places she actually went shopping. And then we have no idea what the like ultimate plan was. Right. Okay. So, or if there was one, I guess, even. So during her errands, Dorothy visited a store called Park and Tilford, which is the most fucking rich New York boutique name. Tiffany and Co. Yeah.

Right. Park and Tilford. It feels like a dog, it feels like a dog wool sweater magazine. Everything had an and to it. Park and Tilford. And it's an ampersand. No. What about an antistory?

And it's an ampersand always. Yeah. Tiffany and. Co. Like, I feel like, wait, Tiffany Anko or Tiffany Co? Oh. Maybe I'm wrong on my ampersands. In my mind, everything has a fucking ampersand back in the day. What kind of timeline did you come from? Jesus. The one where I had my fucking asparagus shirt. You had an insane timeline and whatever, insane sense of grammar. I think it's... Tiffany and Co. It is and co. In my mind, there was anper sans on every goddamn sign back then, no?

Hmm. Whatever. Whatever. It was, you know, that now that you mention it, it was, almond and joy Shut up Kit and cat Shut up Okay So here we go She went to Park

and Tilford The dog men's wear Catalog This was actually an upscale retailer On 5th Avenue And there she purchased A half pound box of chocolates Oh

I love it Mm-hmm Witnesses noticed She appeared to be in exceedingly good spirits. And that's also important. She proceeded to Brentano's bookstore, located at the corner of Fifth Avenue and 27th Street.

And by the way, she is walking a far way, like throughout this. She's like walking. Somebody was doing the like blocks on one of the podcasts I heard. She was walking a long ways. But she did like to walk. She was somebody who liked to walk. So it wasn't like unusual. But it's worth noting that this.

was like a big, big walk. So she goes to this bookstore and purchases a humor book called an engaged girl's sketches. That's the name of this sort of like humorous essay book. This girl sounds like she's having the best day of her life. She's buying herself chocolate, a comedy book. Like a cute girlie comedy. She went to the Waldorf Astoria and ran into a friend. Oh my God.

No, she's not at the Waldorf Astoria. Her friend is going to the Waldorf. We'll get to it. Go to it. Okay. Okay. So this book is by Emily Calvin Blake and she, even though she had $1,000 with her, she charged it to her father's account at the bookstore, which I would do too, I guess. Sure. You won't notice. I don't know. If that was an option, I mean, I would. But it is interesting to know that she brought all that cash and then didn't use it for her errands, if that makes sense. outside Brentano's Dorothy ran into her friend

Gladys King now Gladys had an RSVP for Marjorie's debutante party with her in her it says here in her muff we don't use muff

anymore do we in her muff yeah so you know her hand muff I presume but yes she had her she had the RSVP let me get it out of my muff

Well, wasn't a muff like also a purse or something? Or was it? Oh, maybe. No, I think it's this thing. Like a what? I think it's where you put your hands in it. That's a mitten. No, no, no, like you put both hands in.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, yes. I think that's what I'm thinking of too, but it just looks like a purse when it's because being carried. Oh, because it's kind of like a. It's purse shaped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, you're right. Roundish.

It's essentially a fuzzy hand warmer. Yeah. For both your hands. But it looks like, if you were to put like a rope on it, it's, to carry it, it would be a purse or would look like a purse. If you would know, then it would look like a muff with a rope tied around it because it is hollow. I'm going to shut the fuck up, actually. Okay, you know what?

You're right. It looks like a bad squirrel trap is what it would look like or like a something, something scary. I do like that she had it in her in her muff though where she was like literally holding it in that exact moment. She's like, look what I have right now. I know. And to pull it right out of your muff like that. I'm sorry. I can barely say it.

Like to pull it right out of here. I love pulling out of your muff, you know. Out of your muff. I got, hey, this is your for your sister. Like, how dare you, you know? You put that back where the sun don't shine in that muff of yours. You know what I mean? So she had the debut top right there in her muff and she handed it to Dorothy and said,

this will save on postage, which like classic, classic joke, okay? Of course. You can you can just tell Gladys is a jokester. You know. So the two of. them chatted briefly, and this is important because Gladys ended up being the last person to ever see Dorothy Arnold, as far as we know.

That's terrible. You really had to go in with like the big fuzzy muff jokes and then all of a sudden it's... I really tried to leave us there mentally before I went forward. I appreciate the levity before it got dark. Thank you. You're welcome. So Gladys excused herself. It was 2 p.m. and she said, I'm meeting my mother at the Waldorf Astoria. That's why I brought this beautiful muff. And so

she waves goodbye to her friend, but not before offering her a ride. And Dorothy says, no, thanks, even though it would have been like a really easy way to get back after she's been doing her errands or whatever. Sure. I will say she doesn't go to the dress shop, so that's also weird. But her friend says, oh, can I give you a lift? She says, no, I prefer to walk through Central Park. So she says she's going to walk up through Central Park to get home because she likes to take. walks and makes enough sense that Gladys doesn't think about it. So Gladys turned back and waved and

Dorothy waved and then they waved one more time, which for some reason is just poignant, like the second like, see ya and then she was never seen again. I want to just like point out again, this is the middle of the day in Manhattan in broad daylight. Yeah, horrifying. Like a busy area. It's just crazy that you're the safest. It's when you would think you're the safest. So when Dorothy failed to return for dinner, her parents just assumed she was at a friend's house. Remember, she's like 25 at this point. Right. So she doesn't really tell mom and dad where she's at all the time.

Yeah, she'll like be, but she usually wasn't late. Like she was pretty prompt about dinner and she was pretty respectful about that. But they thought, okay, like she's probably just at a friend's house, right? Sure. But as the night went on, they started to get concerned. but not concerned enough to tell the police. In fact, they wouldn't tell the police that their daughter was missing for six weeks. Oh, shit.

I really thought you were going to say, like, a day. Yeah. I get that like this was a time where, like, I don't even know if everyone had phones yet then. Like, if you just don't see them, they just, like, how would you know where they are? But six weeks is crazy. Six weeks. Crazy. That makes me immediately think it's her dad or her parents.

No, the reason being, I'll tell you right off the bat, they didn't want any scandal. They didn't want any, they didn't want any of the bad press. Didn't they kind of get bad press though when like the debutante ball came and went and like the sister was nowhere to be found? So everyone in their circle, like their friend group and stuff knew she was somewhere. But he did not want to alert like the general. public. Like he did not want the police to get involved and make this and find her and like prove that she had been like gallivanting off with some man or something. You know what I mean? I see. Because they already thought it's a little of her. She was probably off.

They just couldn't trust her running off. And and also they were scared that she was missing. and they weren't scared enough to notify, like, the proper authorities. So do with that what you will, right? Like, she's an adult. So was she, could she have been, like, prone to spontaneous travel and like, oh, she probably just went somewhere? Interesting question. We are going to absolutely get to that in a few short bullet points.

So realizing after basically privately calling. And actually they lied to a few of her friends. Like one friend called and said, oh, did she make it home? And her mom was like, yes, but she's sleeping with a headache because they were just trying to like minimize this. But they were trying to find her through their own inner circle. So I won't say like they weren't concerned or like didn't want to find her or didn't care.

Right. But they wanted to keep it under wraps and cared more about the reputation than actually like finding her quickly and making sure she was safe. I would also wonder if I were them like if I'm in high society like I would want to keep it under wraps and in my circle of people I trust specifically because what if like she's being held for ransom or something and I want to make sure that like maybe I can use my my resources that I trust versus everyone finding out and then there's. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I fooled you. Fulja didn't I folks because I as I said, oh, I'll get there in a few more bullets. I had an immediate spiral because I realized that I have a meeting in four. 14 minutes outside of my home that I completely forgot about. And I am so sorry. And I realized also that we're at almost three hours. And I still have like six pages of notes, which is about another

hour. So like I'm going to make this a two partner because there really is no way around it, even if I skip my meeting. I'm so sorry to everybody that I was such a yapper. I thought this was going to be evenly split between your dialogue and my dialogue. I almost made the asparagus my story. because I felt like that was more timely, but I guess, you know. This was a very M-heavy show. Next week will be a very Christine heavy show. No, no, no, no, thanks. That's fine.

I feel so bad. Well, okay, well, then get to your meeting. Okay, I will. I'm so sorry, everybody, but that is where I will leave you by saying I'll get there in a few short bullet points next week. Okay, and that's why we drink.