And That's Why We Drink - E478 Yesterday's Mail and Salad Days

Episode Date: April 12, 2026

It's episode 478 and we're looking like yesterday's mail from the good ol' salad days! This week Em takes us west again for the tale of the old Washoe Club. Will we ever leave Nevada? Then Christine covers the fascinating case of Anthony Gignac aka the Prince of Fraud. Christine is SO sorry she skipped over the second part of her series on Dorothy Arnold (she speaks on this in the intro). Dorothy will be back with us next week. And who else wants to queer signal with reiki and watercolors?? And that's why we drink!Get 40% off your first Hungryroot box plus a free item in every box for life at https://hungryroot.com/DRINK with code DRINK.Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/DRINK and use code DRINK to claim your FREE 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off.For 50% off your order, head to https://DailyLook.com and use code DRINK.It’s time to own tomorrow with Joyrise. Our listeners get 15% off your first order when you use code DRINK at https://joyrise.comStart your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code DRINK at  https://mudwtr.com/drink  ! #mudwtrpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I've told the story because I was so invested in the notes and I've told part one that I forgot to actually do part two. What happened this time is Dorothy Arnold, part one happened. We had a recording scheduled. Em got sick. We moved to Friday. And with that Friday shift, I jumped ahead with my notes without thinking. And I skipped.

I skipped Tuesday's notes. And I'm so sorry because as a listener that has got to be infuriating and frustrating to be jumping right to the next part two and be like, wait, are they just like punky me. Did they forget? All that to say, I apologize. I'm embarrassed. I feel really space casey and, you know, I don't want to keep making excuses. So I'm going to, I'm going to just apologize and say, we're going to, we're going to do this next week. Let's get me out of here. Let's get the vaudeville cane and pull me offstage. So lots of love to everybody out there. I'm, I'm sorry. Again, no, no good excuse.

just an explanation and an apology. All right. Love you all so much. And Dorothy will be back with us next week. Okay. Bye. I know we added it up in our class and we now officially know 500 words and sign. That's killer.

Kick ass. That's my dream. That's so cool. Bra is actually kind of boring. It's just bam. Bam. Yeah. Oh, I mean, but I like that.

Like, I feel like I'll remember that. Yeah. You know it's underwear, which is interesting. Uh-oh. what? Oh, God. On the chin. I wonder why that is. Yeah, what's going on there? What's going on there? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe that means... I, yeah, I thought the same thing. Oh, I forgot this is an audio medium. You're right. Luckily, people who don't have eyes or use them for our episode is going to miss that. I know. I know what a smart thing we did.

we said, what should our intro about on our podcast be today? How about we do sign language? That'll work. That'll be really fun to listen to probably. Oh, no. And by the way. I am impressed. I like I really, that's one of my like life interests, I think, down the line to learn sign language. Oh. Sorry about this. Not bra and this thing that we did with our weird chin beard. But, you know, other than that, I'm really impressed. Well, thank you. I also, I've wanted to do it for a long time. And, um, every. person I said in front of, I was like, oh, I'm going to take a sign language class. You're like, oh, I've always thought about doing that. And I'm like, yeah, it's like one of those, I feel almost universal things maybe.

Yeah. Well, that's, I ended up. You actually did it. I'm now in my sign language class with three different friends. And it was all because every single person I said, oh, I'm going to take this class. They're like, oh, I've always wanted to. I'm like, well, if you do it with me, then we can be practiced by these. That's so good.

And you said you learned 500 words now. I'm so far learned 500 words. And it's halfway through the program. So I guess by the end, I'll know a thousand words. Awesome. Yeah. You might know more once you start like maybe it, I don't know how it works. I don't know how it works either.

But I think that makes me like milestone-wise like a two-year-old or something. What's a thousand words? What the fuck I don't know. You know what it's like, oh, well, they're supposed to know this many words. The second I no longer had a two-year-old, like the information that like felt like so urgent and like front of mind and like pressing just evaporated. It was incredible. It was like today my friend said like, oh, she like my baby rolled over on her stomach.

And I'm like, is that good or bad? Like, I don't know. Like, I know how old the baby is, but I'm like, are they supposed to do that in bed? Or is that, like, later? Like, I just feel like you just lose the concept of like, I mean, maybe it's just me. Maybe I just was like traumatized out of it. Or maybe you're like, you're back to being people like a two year old free person again. I'm like, no, I think that's more what it is.

Like it feels like, oh, I'm in the four year old game now, people. If we want to talk light up shoes and like all that, I'm ready. but um what's the next milestone for a five-year-old like kneecaps or something or kneecaps yeah we're going we're waiting for her kneecaps to come in there should be a kneecap fairy huge party um there should not be because the concept of kneecaps has always freaked me out so unbelievably terribly i just don't like to think about them running loosey-goosey floating in there oh it makes me kind of i want to die about that that makes me feel really bad so no we're not doing that But maybe milestone, I don't know.

Kindergarten, I don't know. I mean, she can write her name and all that good stuff. And she can write all her letters. And I'm just, you know, she's just, I'm just very proud of her. Wow. I love her so much. It's very cute. She and I've been doing a lot of crafting together.

What's your favorite craft you've done? Because you've mentioned the crafting a few times now. So I got to know. We've started watercoloring. Well, I actually am. I wasn't even going to show and tell it. But I was coloring because your audio and camera weren't working. So I was coloring before.

And I was like, and I just forgot that this was on my lap. I'm trying to show it. It's beautiful. Well, we've just been doing watercolor. I went, this is why I drink this week real quick. I'll pop it in because I went to a really fun bachelor party just for one night. It was Jerry from Ladies and Tangents. It was super cool because I came on the night where everybody was inside and nobody was going anywhere.

And I was like, thank God. And so we did. It was like bring your. Roman Empire presentation. Like what's your Roman Empire, right? And so mine was Mall World. Jerry's sister did a really fun one, which was like the astrology of this weekend. And it was like predictions. Like she had done it in the past. And I was like, oh, that's so clever. So there were a lot of fun ones. I would say like if you've already had a bachelor party and like I know I have and like we've kind of the party scene like it was so great and fun and awesome. And they went out the night before and went like hard. So don't get me wrong. But I think

like getting there and seeing just this beautiful cabin with like all this food and like clearly all these like nurturing caring people who brought like so much food and drink and everybody contributed. I mean, I brought my fucking alcohol recovery things. Good for you. My contribution. But like, you know, everyone brought like tarot cards or whatever and they were like little crafts and stuff and they had this cool runner across the table.

And Jerry's co-host on for better and worse podcast, by the way, shout out. they're on our network now too. She set the whole thing up and she put this big like watercolor table cloth and then put a bunch of like individual water color like kits with like brushes and all this and water cups all over and you could just sit down and like color on the tablecloth while you're like getting to know people and chatting. And at the end she like gave me one and I got home and picked up some paper and I've just like every single day I just sit down and just like I mean I don't know what I'm doing.

it like that's kind of the point though I think yeah it's very zen and then I and then I like doodle on top of it I don't know if you know when you can I think that's the coolest way to do it though I've always been a lot of my TikTok videos are fun for me a lot of my TikToks are watercolor and then drawing something on top of it and then it's oh it's like so satisfied every time and I always thought like oh I can't do stuff like that but it's like oh you literally like Leona does it I mean it's like you get to a point where you're like oh it doesn't really matter what it looks like it's just really relaxing. And I'm trying to finally kind of just be more, you know, creative and like present. So anyway, shout out to them for even introducing me. I don't think I ever would have tried watercolors

otherwise. And now it's like all I do during my like off time. It's, it's, it's really fun. So pick it up, pick up a little kit. They're really simple. And by the way, you don't have to clean it up. Okay, well, you probably should. But like, you don't have to because the paints don't dry like it's water color. Sure. So it like you can set it out and leave it and then like come back to it. And for me as someone with very, very intense ADHD and OCD, like I will not. Like a messy art project.

It's going to last weeks on the table. I'm never going to find time to clean it up. I understand. Anyway, that's why I drink this week. I just drink my thirsty rat water. And M. Do tell why do you drink this week. I will finally shut up.

No, I was going to say earlier my ASL thing, but it came out quicker than I expected to. But I have officially said it was a very small thing, but I did accidentally do my very first ASL conversation without needing help, which was very fun. Well, the fact that it was accidental makes it even more, like, impressive. It just kind of happened. What was it? Yeah, well, I was wearing a BU sweatshirt. And I guess the teacher came over to me when she wasn't teaching. we do like a game of telephone at the end of every game.

And while I was waiting for it to be my turn, she came over and talked to me and asked if I went to BU and what year I graduated. And I told her what year. And then she said her sister got her PhD nearby. And then I asked what she said, nearby at Harvard. That's what I thought at first? But I said, oh, what did your sister get her PhD in? And she said that she actually went to Brandeis. And I said, oh, my girlfriend went to Brandeis.

And she got her master's there. And then I said, I got my master's at BU. And she asked what I got my master's in my master's in my school. Because you said all this in sign? And I, all in sign. That's amazing. I was literally, I was like, that's amazing. That's fucking amazing.

Thank you. And then also, the only thing I needed help with was I asked her, I said, I'm sorry, can you repeat yourself when she was spelling out brand ice? Because I was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah, probably so fast. But other than that, I got it all. But it was, since we were playing telephone. It's harder than B.U. Yeah.

Yeah, B.U is a lot easier. Or B.C. But so because we were playing telephone, it became a thing where I guess everyone was waiting for me to finish my conversation with her so that they could tap on my shoulders because it was my turn. So then everyone accidentally was watching me do this whole thing. But it was very cool that I could say that a whole combo. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. And then my other reason why I drink this week, I'm going to back away.

And for dramatic theatrical reasons, I will not be speaking. I'm going to need you to explain what's happening. Oh, good. Let's just say yesterday I was finally feeling a little better. I've been sick all week and I was feeling good enough to go out in public. And I went somewhere. Oh, God. Because someone, let's just say my calls were heard.

And somebody gave me some information. So I need you to describe what's happening. I know. Whoa, whoa. Okay, first of all, the way you pushed that, but you stayed with the camera. It looked like this cool effect because like you came forward with the computer. but like the wall went back. It almost looked like the walls were receding from you.

So if you ever want to do a cool little trick, that was awesome. Here we go. Oh, okay. It's a new one because the other one was getting ready. Oh, it's a new one. We got the Knottesbury Farm Asparagus shirt. Please read the detail of the asparagus. What is the, it is what?

Let me please apologize. It is the incredible asparagus shirt. Incredible asparagus. And we got another here. What is this? This is the taste. Tasteful turnips. Oh, that's quite a purple.

That is a shocking purple. Wow. Okay, we've got delicious rhubarb. I'm not loving the lack of alliteration, but that's okay. We can work with it. I do love a rhubarb. Now here's the best one. Amazing artichokes.

Now that, now that I would wear. That's the one I'd wear. And finally. And finally. Oh, fancy sugar beats. That's right. They're fancy folks. Get your fancy sugar beats.

So I spend a shitload of money on T-shirts yesterday. So now, can you tell me how that, that, oh, here we go. Zoom in back in. So I found out that, and maybe this is wrong information, but the only person who's able to help me, thank you so much. They also put me in contact with, like, the director of merch, by the way. Was this the person who said I do merch for? No. Oh, okay. Someone on Instagram commented like, oh, I'll check in. I do merch but a different kind or something. And I was like, holy shit. Oh, okay. Well, no. Luckily, I did say I was like,

I think in numbers we could all get this together. Also, everybody with eyes on this podcast, say, please excuse my hair. I'm getting a haircut after this. I, a bunch of people reached out. I really appreciated all of you. And the information I was given, I do not know how accurate it is, but it's what I'm working with, is that for the Boysenberry Festival, which is going on right now only, which is why I had to go yesterday, is that they bring out a bunch of dead stock and try to sell off what they can, but usually it's no longer in stores. Oh, wow. So this was just like it was dead stock that you get to go buy.

Oh my God. Yeah. So I like really manifested this. Was it on sale? No. What the fuck? They didn't even put it on sale. They're trying to get rid of it.

And not only that. But the entire collection. two of them no longer exist at all or are totally sold out. So I will never have the strawberries or the poisonberries. Okay, first of all, relax with that attitude. You just said you'd never have any of them and now you have like a bunch. So let's fucking tone it down. I'll never have anything.

It's not going to work here. You just said you manifested them all. You got two left to manifest. What is it? Strawberries, which is a red shirt. Okay. And a Boisenberry. Boisenberry, which is like a periwinkle shirt.

Well, no wonder that one sold out. That sounds lovely. It was beautiful. I saw someone wearing it yesterday. And I went, where'd you get that? And he was like, I got her a few years ago. I wonder if it's even around. And I went, I know it's not.

Yeah, first of all, why do you sound like Zach Begans? Give me your shirt. Give me it. Give me it. It was, anyway, I, and the irony of last time when I saw them, I was like, oh, I'm not going to buy all of them. That's way too much. But then when they were there today and it's dead stock and, or yesterday, and it's

dead stock. I was like, well, I have to now buy all that. And on principle, because asparagus and I have gone through a lot together, I got a hat. Oh, that's very cute. Okay, amazing asparagus. Wait, what was the artichoke? Amazing artichokes. Why the fuck do they use the same word?

Oh. Incredible asparagus, amazing artichokes. Oh, I thought it was amazing on both and I was really upset. I have to thank everybody for all of your helper I would have not even known. And also, it was in one store at the back of the park. That's it. Holy shit. So I don't know how long it'll be there.

If I'm wrong and it's always there for some reason, it was the factory. store. But I even asked the person working and she said, oh, they brought it all out for the festival because they're just trying to clear out merch. So I wish you the best. And they did not have a lot of sizes left. Although if they even had like an extra small and shop or nobody wants this shirt except you. You're literally the it's backstock. You're wrong. I guarantee you I have inspired at least one person. Yeah, that's maybe what it is. It's more like it didn't hit than you got it. Now it's like, oh, everyone wants a piece of that. That makes sense. Someone's going to want it. And I'm telling you it's at the factory store, but they don't have strawberries or boys and berries.

Wow. Now, so I got to really think, like, what do I want? Well, you tell me, and I have at least one of almost each in a size you don't need. So I do love that. I didn't really mean those shirts. I do, I am happy for you and those shirts and I would. I'm just so excited. I'm like, of course everybody wants these shirts. I would wear the rhubarb. Okay. But as I just said, you're the only person who really wants these shirts. Sure. Okay. What's an obscure thing? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm I'm negging you. I'm negging you. I don't know. I almost feel like, wow, that's such a weight of responsibility. We didn't know that these shirts would really manifest and they did. And it's like, now I feel like we got to do something important. No offense again. I feel like I'm just insulting

you every fucking five seconds. Five seconds, but I'm like, now what do I manifest? Like world fucking peace. You know, tasteful turnips is pretty good on the, at least on the world hunger front. We've got turnips and rhubarb and sure thing. Sure thing. Yeah, yeah. In the back of the factory store. It's really nice. Let at full price. Let me see. Why am I bullying you? I don't know.

It just started to get fun. It's okay. It's Friday, so. Maybe that's what it is. I did Qigong this morning. Is that what is causing this? What's happening? Honestly, yeah, probably.

Because I released a lot of, so they have these things that you hit yourself with. What? So, okay, I did Chi Gong this morning. And they, okay. Can you explain? what that is. I don't think I know what that is. It's a type of yoga at the YMCA. And, well, it's a type of yoga. And it's a very, it's a more kind of relaxing. It's technically a martial art. But again, we're not going to get into that. You suggested this last week when I said I wanted to get into being stretchy. 100%. That's exactly right. And I forgot to mention you also hate yourself with these little things. And they had been, you did not mention that when you were suggesting it to me. You were like, oh, okay. Well, I'm trying to come up with my mom and I've Googled everything I can think of. Oh, that's what I'll manifest. Somebody tell me what that thing is called. Because it's it's.

It's like, I think traditionally they use bamboo, but they're these nice soft velvet. Like maybe they use them in Tai Chi, I'm not sure. But you basically, oh wait, Tai Chi is a martial art, not Qigong. Sorry. So you hit yourself with this thing. And it's just really gentle and it like is meant to like move energy and like get things flowing. And it's like a very like it's like pat. It's like a little gentle pat.

But today we came late because of course. And the only one left was this big like hand. So my mom starts slapping me on the butt with it. And I'm like, girl. that, ow, stop it. Oh, I was kind of hoping it'd be fun. Well, it was fun for a second. And I was like, all right, enough of that.

It was too early for that, you know. Yeah. And now, and we did it again. Oh, that's right, because we recorded last time. And I had a lovely time. And so we went back today. And wow, it's like been really nice. But anyway, point being, that's probably why I'm behaving this way.

I don't know if it was like moving the energy around. I don't know if it was like my watercoloring is just like, like unlocking a really unpleasant side of me or like what, but, um, I'm, I'm loving it. I just know that not everyone else is. I blame the watercolors. I think maybe. I feel like you're getting a little too relaxed, you know? I think I'm just like getting too zen, you know?

I know. And that's always been a problem across the land. Huge, huge problem for me and you. Yeah. Well, what are you drinking? You said your thirsty rat water. Just my water. Just some water today.

I'm trying to be like, you know, hydrated and zen. if you have ever heard of it. Well, I like it. Also, your tattoo is flawless today. She's really shining in the perfect angle. Oh, this old thing? Thank you. I've been, after I take a shower now, I put on like some oil, like, like some little Jojoba oil, you know?

Fine. And it makes my neighbor Troy, he, I just love the man. He does like Rakey and like has like a little wellness spa in his house. And his house always smells really good. and he gave me for Christmas a little jojoba body oil and it's really lovely it's incredible who you've found on your street you just

I just kind of like pull them to me I'm like I'm like oh the gay Reiki practitioner down the road I would like to be part of this crowd thank you I think it's because you show your big bisexual arm with your big old leopard lion tattoo it's not like not intentional it's not like unintentional you know certainly a little queer signaling and I dig it thank you I'd like I mean that fully

complimentary. So it's the large rainbow flag outside our house. I just want to be like, you can come chat with me unless like you're that guy, Greg. But like we'll talk about him another time, you know. I'm curious about Greg. Okay. We'll talk about him another time. I mean, he's perfectly fine. He's just like very, he's a normie. He's like a super normie. That's all you had to say. Yeah. I mean, his name's Greg. You got to love him though, but from afar. So from Troy to Greg, that's the, that's the spectrum we're working on. Oh my God. The spectrum is like, why? For sure, for sure. Where do you fall?

A little, obviously more, Troy. I'm always moving. I just can't sit still. That's what the watercolor is all about. I think I'm just really kind of channeling some like unpleasant energy of just like wee, you know. Well, I am drinking water, but also I'm finishing my Boisenberry juice. Oh, lovely. Lovely.

That was a good time. It was my first Boisenberry festival. I ate, like I can't even tell you how much food. You look, you turn purple. Look at you. Your shirt, everything. I did wear this to the festival. Oh, I see.

Because I was like, I should match the vibe. And everyone apparently heard the cries of the festival. Oh, they were on theme. Oh, oh, you love that. I love a crowd on theme. Everyone was purple. The food was beyond. So I don't know, for people who don't know,

Knott's Berry Farm, Nott's Boise and Berri's Farm, Nott's Bois and Berries. Nott's Berry Farm was just a berry farm. Then it became a berry farm in a fried chicken restaurant, and then it became an amusement park. I've never been. I know nothing about this. Oh, okay.

It's kind of like... I used to hear it on the radio and think they were saying Knotsbury Farm. And I was like, what's that? Nottsbury Farm. Like I didn't understand what the... And then they say not scary. Not for Halloween.

And I was like, oh, good. It's not scary. And Blaze was like, no. Like, anyway, it's fine. And then during Christmas they have Nots Mary Farm. Oh, see, I see what they're doing. No, but it's so it was a farm for a while and it is still a farm, but they built a amusement park in it.

And it actually, I think the story goes, it inspired Disney to create Disney worlds. And that is a good story. Yeah. But so every year they have a festival where they bring out all these boise and berries from their farm and have people do like a hundred different types of food. And so they do this whole like food tasting festival. So while you're at the amusement park, you go from restaurant to restaurant and try like annual foods or special foods for that week. And there literally was over a hundred different. from Boisenberry foods to try.

And I think I ate 99 of them. Did you have a favorite? Yeah. So the famous food this year was called The Brick, which it was a runner up for me. It wasn't my favorite, but it was like a big ass piece of bread. I took a picture. I'll send it to everybody. To everybody.

When I say I'll send it to everybody, I know they all want to say. I'll send it to everybody. It really means it'll end up on Instagram. Okay. It's a big, a big square of like brioche with Boisenberry ice cream and syrup all over it. It was very good. Oh, I see. Yeah, that sounds good.

It's fine. It's executed properly. What's the, what's the, okay, sorry, go ahead. So you had a favorite, though? My favorites were I had this poisonberry and blood orange lemonade, which was very yummy. Oh, wow. That sounds delicious. Then I had chicken wings.

I wrote a list of my favorites. I was like, what are you looking at? Oh, I see. A list, of course. You're Virgo Rising, remember? I know. I'm noticing it now. Chicken wings with Boisenberry Syraccia, a churo with Boisandberry ice cream on it. They had a Boisandberry cheesecake, that was very good. And Dippin Dots did some sort of collab with them where they were selling Boisand Bondsn Dippin Dots and they put it in Sprite. So it became a Sprite float with Bois and Dippon Dippin Doppantz. That's fun. And they made a, it looked like sushi. So they were

calling it Bois and Berry sushi, but it was a shortcake with Bois and Burry Jam in it. And it looked like a roll of sushi. But it was just, just, a cake roll basically. Holy shit. Okay. Maybe we talk about this in the Yab Air, but I want to know, like, what are your thoughts on eating food that looks like other food? Because I really have a hard time with it.

I fucking love it. Did I tell you about the potato ice cream that I ate? Oh, no. What? We'll talk about that in the YAPA hour. Okay, okay. Because I, like, I just, I wonder if it's like a sensory, like, I just something I get really weirded out about it.

And I, like, it's almost an uncanny valley vibe, I think. Yeah, I'm exploring that a little bit, you know. I love that. Well, yeah, we'll talk about that. Cool. And then until then, I have a story for you because if you guys were done with my yapping, too bad, I'm still here. Too bad.

It continues. Well, I feel bad when I overpower the first half, our initial talks. I literally talk for about 10 straight minutes without letting you say a single word. That's literally not true. You're just being nice to me. I. Okay, sure. But anyway, so I literally bullied you also for 20 minutes.

But yeah, you're right. I'm being super nice. I just bullied your clothes, your many shirts. No, I'm glad you noticed. Not that one, not that one. I mean, I bullied that one too, but that was separate. Oh, the other ones, yes. Well, I believe that one in an ad when I said we look, we don't look really like, uh, like we use daily look, but, you know.

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Because today, I'm talking about, do you know you literally recommended it? No. Oh, oh, oh, oh, the one, the one. The one in that part of the country where there is also that couple that went there and they did that in an episode of a show of a documentary. Yep, that's it. Actually, yes, very right. The old washow club.

That's the one. Oh, my God. That's exactly what I just said. So once again, Zach Began's wins because this is like the eighth episode in a row that involves him somehow. He has power over you and me. I'm disgusting. By the whim that I fall to. Oh, we just are at his every whim for sure. My maybe favorite thing about these notes is the first line because I wanted to let you know that as I was looking up the history of the old Washoe Club, the very first article I looked at, it starts with the sentence in the salad days of Nevada. Now, the salad?

The salad days. What could that mean, please? I had to look that up. And apparently it's a reference from Shakespeare. And it means an innocent, youthful, or nostalgic time when one was green in judgment or raw and nativity, naivete. Green in judgment. But apparently that's a salad day is when you're green to the world and therefore very innocent.

Okay. So it's like you're, yeah, you're green. Right. Okay. Sure. So now if you ever want to sound whimsical, you just talk about in my salad days. Oh, that's like, I actually really like that weirdly. I also like it. I mean, it was the first, as soon as I saw that, I went, well, I'm talking about this. Well, well, well, look what we have here. So if you have not been privy to the last like eight episodes, it all started with me thinking I was going to cover one thing one time and then it has. slowly spiraled into just a rat's nest of Zach Began's lore. Yeah. We can't escape. We've tried. And I thought we did finally escape when you were covering the Konstantino murder. Oh yeah.

Then I brought us back. That's right. So the butterfly effect is really in full swing. I'm so sorry about that. So as we all know, after the last two months, we're all experts in this. We've done this before. The mining days of your, they need a little. luxury spaces and they were slowly opening in booming towns for miners and businessmen who were really interested in the silver mines of Nevada.

So in the 1870s, Virginia City is the town that we're talking about in Nevada. It was one of those booming towns. They had high profile people in town who were there on business. And finally, for once, I'm going to be saying something other than they needed a hotel for these businessmen. Instead, they needed a social club for the high. elites of these mining businesses. Well, you've got a hotel. What's next? A social club.

Well, I've mentioned every other one of those damn hotels. We are proof that they had enough hotels. So they're staying there and they're like, now what do we do? Yeah. We have to go somewhere somewhere 100%. So thus comes the Washoe Club. And the Washoe Club quickly became very famous across the Pacific. It had members in it that were very rich and powerful. Many of them were bankers, judges, attorneys, businessmen in the mining industries, political figures, actors, I don't know why the fuck actors who have no business in the mining industry

are moving to Virginia City to be at this. They find their little way. They worm their way into everything, these celebrities, you know? I feel like they just hear a friend of a friend of a friend is in a high society club, and they're like, well, I got to join. You're like, has he seen me in, um, what's a really old movie?

A spaghetti western, I'm sure. Have you, has he seen me in all those spaghetti westerns? Yeah. He'll want me to be part of it. this. Who wouldn't want me here? Um, examples of these people were General Sherman and General Grant before he was even President Grant, um, Mark Twain, Thomas Edison, and around 50 other millionaires. Jesus. So because so many millionaires were a part of this, the Washoe Club ended up being nicknamed the Millionaire's Club. This sounds like a nightmare. It does sound like something I don't want to be a part of, but I do want all the intel. Yeah, I'd like to like see what's up,

but then I think I'd get depressed about it. I want to know someone. who's in there. Like, I don't need to go to Club 33 at Disney again. But... I was like, because you already went. But I do want to know someone who can tell me what's going on back there. You know what I mean? You want to...

I want the scoop. You want the scoop. You're Gemini. Sue me. I want the scoop. I've tried. Just kidding. February...

So this is in 1875, by the way. And in February 20th, on February 20th, 1875, that was the first club meeting, which by the way was detailed in, I'm assuming the town's only newspaper. Okay. Yep. And in that report or article or the scoop, if you will. In the scoop, yep. They talked about this first club meeting. So you know I would have been reading this newspaper.

You were like glued to this page. Yeah. According to this article, it was telling us that at the first club meeting, there were 60 members already. involved at this first meeting. And they were hoping for up to 200. So they had a cap immediately that only 200 people could be in here at a time. I like that 60 though. It feels like spacious enough. You know, like we all have room. It's a healthy, healthy space to be. Yeah. Were women allowed? Probably not. I certainly doubt how many women in 1875 even were billionaires. Literally the Iowa did almost look painful, but it's true. Like that, it's true. And you know what? I

call bullshit on the fact that they would only have up to 200 people there because if The 200 first millionaire walked by and said, I'll give you a million dollars to be in here. Oh, please. Give me a break. You're 100% right. They'd be like, oh, it's actually a technicality. Yeah, I think they tried to make it look really like exclusive or some shit. Mm-hmm.

So there's 60 people. Each of them has already paid $150 to be there, which I did the math, of course, and it is about $4,500 today to have even joined without knowing how this is going to go. Okay. I mean, I guess they all have money to throw away. If you're a millionaire, dare I say multi-millionaire, and $4,500 is like a toothpick. Please, yeah. People had not yet paid initiation or dues, so I don't know what the hell this money was for.

But within two months of that first meeting, they had a permanent place, which was called the Reynolds building. You do not need to know that, but for the history buffs that happen to be listening to and that's why we drank. The Reynolds building is where the first permanent building was for this club. Okay. In it, it had a library, a wine room, a card room, double parlors, a billiard room, a reading room, a lunch room, and it was built with Italian marble and bronze details. Oh. The newspaper article that reported on this building, once the updates were all done. The scoop.

As somebody who could not attend this meeting, but would like to know what's going on there. This newspaper article, when I tell you that they didn't leave a single detail behind, I fucking. mean it like do you know how much that brings me just joy i like those old newspaper articles where you're like you don't need to be single this but thank god you put every detail every love that shit all the way down to like like i'm sure it's it would be a spy's nightmare uh someone reported on like how what their safe house looked like because this guy was this article whoever wrote it was describing all the way down to the square footage what happens if you look left versus right and like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah anymore. Like bring it on. It was talking about what type of door, how it was built, what color it was, what it was made out of it, how it connected to each room, if it was just a, if it just separated two rooms or if it was a full opening door. Wow. The names of each of the rooms, the imagery that he saw in each of them. So if there was a painting on the wall, what type of painting it was and what image it was and who made it and what materials it was made out of. He was talking about what type of tables were in each room. Hey, we got to set this guy into a certain man.

A certain island I've heard of about to do a little investigating. Give me a little scoop on that. If that guy were here and read up on what we know so far, he would be livid. You'd be fucking livid. What is the point of journalism? Like, come on. We've come so far. He talked about the types of carpets and if they matched all the other rooms.

He talked about the chandeliers, like all the way down to like what light bulbs were used. Like, I mean, this guy didn't. He was like, my nosy mother is going to read this. I better not fuck around. He's like, I'm a nosey. mother and I think that's why I'm writing it like this because I care about every little detail. And it gave people permission to judge because he was also writing like how the chandeliers, who bought which one and how much each of them was worth and what the, and what the, what the,

what the chandeliers, how each of the chandeliers were different from each other. And if this one looked fancier or if this one didn't match the rest of the room. Wait, why are they all picking different chandeliers? Why is that part of it? He had every piece of information except that. Wow. I just got to read this. Anyway, it was a very, a really well-done article. And that was after all the updates were done at this Reynolds building, which now holds the Washoe Club.

So, four months into this Washoe Club being at this permanent building, whoops, a great fire comes through the town and burns everything down. It's always a great fire. There's always a great. And why is it so great, you know? Yeah, it's pretty great in history as in like that entire mansion just went to bluey. Oh, shit. So everything I just said. All those ugly chandeliers.

All those hideous fucking carpets and tables. Oh, thank God. So most documents and information about the club also burnt down with this fire. So we actually don't have a lot of- Oh, that sucks. Information about what happened in this building. But it was only like four or five months old, and then it was gone. So then all these millionaires who just put all this work into this building,

they just paid all these dues. Now they're like, what the fuck? do we do. And they had to stay there because this is still at the height of the mining industry. It's not like, well, the mines are kind of dwindling. We can leave. It was like, they still want to be here and they still want something to do other than be at the hotels. Okay, okay, okay. So scrambling for a new location, they find this one saloon that survived the fire. It is now, by the way, known as the oldest saloon in Virginia City, probably because all of its competitors burned down in the fire. The great fire. The great fire. Excuse me. So it survived the fire.

And on top of this, on top of the bar were a bunch of apartment buildings, but they were all vacant. I don't know how that happened. And so they were like, okay, we're going to buy the entire apartment complex on top of this bar. And we're going to renovate all the apartment rooms into just one big house. So that's how we get the final iteration of this club. It was, by the way, the bar is called the crystal bar in case anyone cares. and I will say my favorite thing about the crystal barks, of course I researched that too, is that during Prohibition, this was a speakeasy disguised as an ice cream parlor.

Oh, that's clever. The berry and that's why we drink. And they're like, oh, it totally is. And they're like, oh, all these men, these mobsters keep wanted ice cream. I don't know, not mobsters, but like all these like men, it's just weird. they're kind of drunkenly stumbling out of that ice cream parlor. That rum raisin ice cream is really good. That rum raisin is extra.

That's probably what you had to order to get your, like, wink, wink, you know. You're totally right. Or isn't there an ice cream that's like bourbon something? Bourbon pecan. Yeah, something like that. But I think rum raisin, you're right. So according to the same paper that it covered the club's original design where they like went full in on the information, that guy came back for the new location.

Oh, thank God. They didn't have enough of it. for the first time, I would have been like, how dare you insult my tacky lamp? You would think they'd be like anyone but him. But I guess he was the only for maybe he's, he put on a mustache. He was like, my, it's his friend. It's not him. He was just in like a trench coat on top of three other people or something.

I'm not him. So he came back and that article was just as incredible. One of the things that he did talk about was the spiral staircase in this place. A spiral staircase. He loves the spiral staircase. People still love it. And I will say fun facts about the spiral staircase are that apparently it had some second door to it that led to the other side of the street so they could snakely let ladies of the night come in. I see.

I see. And on top of that, this is probably its most famous fun fact. It was actually on Ripley's Believe it or not because of this fun fact. No way. It is the longest spiral staircase without a supporting pole. Okay. Well, that's a terrible thing to be in the fucking Ripley's Believe it or not or whatever you said. Do you say Ripley's believe it or not?

Yeah. Yeah, that's, that seems like not something I want to be part of. I don't want to stand on it. No, thanks. And it's also like on top of the fact that it sounds structurally unsound. It's also like a hundred six years old or something. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so.

No thanks. I'm good, dog. And then I'm also dizzy. Literally excellent point. Like nothing good can come of this, you know. So another feature of this new club is the reading. room, which I guess later became a music room. But fun fact.

And only two sources, I looked at a lot of sources. Only two sources mention this fun fact. The music room is shaped like a piano. Literally, like the walls are shaped like a fucking piano. But it wasn't a piano at first. It was a reading room. I guess so. That makes no sense to me.

Maybe they saw that and went, it's a fucking music room. Maybe the journalist was like, it's shaped like a piano. And they're like, it's literally not. And he's like, it's my article. It's my scoop. I get to say what the fuck I want. That's a good point. No, you know what?

Maybe I'm mixing up the ring room in the music room because why would you make the, and the music room's like shaped like a book or some shit. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Which is a rectangle, by the way. And as you say it, I noticed that my house is oddly book shaped. That is crazy. That has to mean something.

No, it really, I did, of the two sources that told me it shaped like a piano. Only one of them had video evidence and it is shaped like a piano. Hmm. Hmm. So. You mean like a grand piano? Like with the. I don't.

It had a, it had a. Mm-hmm. Is that a grand piano? Yeah, where it has like the big back to it, the booty. Now I don't know all about that. Like a, like a, not a piano that's flat against the wall. It's not, it would not fit against the back of the wall. It's like one of the ones with the, it's got a curvy back.

It's got a booty. That's why I said. Okay. Well, that's an extra fun fact that I didn't even know about. Perfect. A little behind. So another feature. A little B flat.

behind a B sharp pine. Oh. No Fubb flat to be found here. B major or something. Be a B. That's it. That's it. That's it.

Let me see. Let me see. Okay. So we did the piano thing. The other last fun fact I'm going to tell you about this place is that they had a telegraph in there in this club that was dedicated to giving members like very accurate, accurate updated information. on stock market. So that way no matter. God, they had like a stock ticker in there, but it was a fucking telegraph.

Yeah, but also for like 1875. So like so active and accurate. They're like six weeks ago, this, your stock in horses went up. And your stock in wagons went down. Something like that. Yeah. I do, uh, I do wonder how accurate it was. Oops, a great fire happened.

Now you got nothing. Yeah. They also had actually, um, in the reading room, wherever the fuck that was. They had every major newspaper printed and sold there. So that way you could just have every. I mean, so no matter where you're fun. That makes sense.

That's fun. And also I imagine that that's quite a perk in 1875 in the middle of Nevada. I would say that especially on top of getting your stocks are one thing. But yeah, you probably want to know what's going on. Yes. Yeah. I would. So with this new location.

I would because you want the scoop. Of course you do. Membership grew to 100 people very quickly, so one from 60 to 100. I did look at a roster of some of the people. And interestingly, I know nothing on this. And I could be totally wrong here. But one of the members was an EA Schultz. And within 10 years of this information,

knowing that an EA Schultz was in Nevada, we know nothing left about my oldest note. relative Edward August Schultz. Oh, we do now, baby! Oh my God, Millier. He's living in the high life. Where are those millions?

I'm telling you, I have been looking high and low for anything about an Edward August Schultz. And before the... What's his name? Edward August Schultz. And the last information we had of him was 1865 and now we're in 1875. Now, the whole family did end up in New York.

So we would have to find an EA Schultz that went from Nevada to New York or something. I'm just writing notes for my future for one night when I'm when I'm extramanic, which could be tonight, if you can tell by the frenetic energy that I love it. But I'm taking some notes as long as you're comfortable with that. I don't. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Well, so he, I know my family came in from Ellis Island.

So he had to have gone from New York to Nevada to New York, which I could see him coming here and swindling. his way into a club with a millionaire so network. This is like millionaire behavior and it's like, yeah. And then go back to New York with the money that he. Especially like those mining towns. It's like you would go out there just to look around and find out, I guess. I don't know. And he was, yeah, I don't know anything about him though.

So maybe this is a completely different person. So we don't know. Like he just vanished. It was not like not vanished, but like he just vanished off the records. It's not like he came back to New York later. He must have come back to New York because after him, every single member of the family was in New York. And he came in himself through Ellis Island. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

The only thing that throws me off is why would he go to Nevada? But I could see him trying to just make a quick buck. Could he have left the family behind? Like, did he already have the family there and then leave? So, funny, you say that. The family left him. Gasp. He was apparently such a horrible man.

that the only way I even found out his name was through newspapers and ancestry. Oh, so this literally checks out that he could be this fucking millionaire asshole. And he had no family that wanted him. So he just went to go make more money. Jesus. But apparently he could have just won. My own family has always been like, we don't talk about him. We don't talk about him.

Did you get a weird feeling when you saw it? I mean, you must have at least a little bit. Like that feels weird to see the initials. And you're like, I've been looking for someone with that exact name for a long time. Yeah, that was weird. but I don't know it was also just because I've yeah I mean it's also like not an uncommon name sure yeah but and E Schultz would have thrown me because I would have been like oh my god it's me in a past life I was a hundred percent so I don't know it was just interesting okay okay I've just taken a little mental note I speak only to your mania do what you must thank you I wish more people would speak only to my mania because then it'd be like a lot easier to compartmentalize you know so So someday. You know what?

Whatever you need to do. From nothing to everything, I'm happy. No matter what. Great. I'll let you know as it happens. So in the 1890s, the mining industry is now down. So less people are spending time there, so they're not paying an active dues. So the club closes very quickly.

It goes from like, it opened in the 70s and now it's closed in the 90s. It was a short-lived experience. The saloon underneath, though, it did stay open. It's still open today. for many years the club levels were abandoned, although sometimes it was office space, but now the levels are available if you decide to go on a ghost tour or an overnight investigation. Are you allowed on the spiral stairs? I'm confused.

I think so. I'm going to say big time no. Just on, to anyone who's asking me, I'm going to say to get off the stairs. I will say if I were there and I looked up and saw those stairs, I'd go, I'm not climbing those. I would say that personally. I don't think so. I don't think so. That's not for me. And I honestly advise anyone in my party to maybe not.

I agree. That would really ruin the vibe. If there were other stairs, I would take those definitely. And I would take those as a plan B. Now, is there an elevator? No. Oh, God. So, if there is, I didn't see it.

I'll tell you that. But basically when it comes to the death and the afterlife of this place, during its years here at the club obviously had some shady businesses going on because there was a bunch of millionaires in the middle of nowhere killing time during a silver mining big break yeah and like needing a place to like be amongst their kind which is always gross of their caliber as they'd say mm-hmm they had a lot of gambling and sex work and it was still the wild west let's not forget that so um and it sat above the town's old the saloon so let's not forget that. Definitely a lot of drama and deaths. And there was a lot of, as many articles

put it, gun slinging activities. Ooh, activities. Sounds like with gun sling, there's only one activity, but okay. Yeah, I was going to say, how many can you really pull out of that, but okay. And everyone was here because of mining boom. So there was a bunch of mining accidents going on. So there was a lot of death and then it bringing, being brought to the building after the fact, there's a lot of just dark energy. A lot of dastardly stuff swarmed this building. So yeah, seriously. Probably the most direct hit spiritually or paranoomally that this place had was that during

one winter the ground was so frozen that grave digers could no longer dig bodies or dig the ground up to put bodies in. And they needed a place to store them. Oh, no. And the bar became what has been referred to as a pre-morg. A pre-morg? Oh, my God. These bodies would be put in burlap sacks, which, like, wow, just, like, scientifically such a biohazard.

Wow. And also just, like, a haunted house. Like, bodies in burlap sacks. I mean, Jesus. And they would just store them in this little offshoot storage area by the bar, which is now literally known as the crypt. Oh, for God's sake. Not the pre-morg? Not the pre-morg.

Well, I heard some of the staff in. interviews calling it at a pre-morg and I was like, are you just trying to avoid the word crypt? Yeah, yeah, interesting. The crypt is now still a random storage room that you can go into, but people say that when they go in there, you can literally smell death still. No, no. I guess to get these bodies out once it started getting cold enough, or once it started getting warm enough, I would assume they only knew that once it started smelling like bodies in there.

Or maybe the ground was loosey-goosey, I don't know. Let's hope that was what was going on. But the only way to get them out of the bar and into the ground is they had to then drag all these burlap sacks across the bar in front of everybody. So people just saw bodies getting dragged out. And it was almost 100 bodies. Holy shit. It's a bad day. So they probably maybe even knew some of these people.

I don't know if that's true. I don't know how big this time is. No, I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing. Yikes. It was 77 bodies. Someone who someone. Jesus.

Um, so anyway, today people still claim that they smell death. When you go into the crypt, people have had pebbles thrown at them. Weird. Yeah, even though they're by themselves. And according to one bartender, which I don't know her name and I honestly don't want to, because she is saying things a little too casually for me. Oh, dear. She says, oh yeah, Randall, our creepy crawler grab me by the ankle in there.

Don't say that. Girl give a caveat. What do you mean? Girl, back up. Back the fuck up. Take a breath and realize how fucking crazy that is, what you just said. What's that one thing from Jersey Shore? Take a door and walk through it.

Open the door and fucking realize it. Open the door and fucking realize it. Open the door and fucking realize it. Which, like, I'm so glad. You just brought tears my eyes. Oh, it is such a good one. You do know what's happening in two days. Oh, that's right. Yes. The, yes. It's been on my mind, Jersey Shore a little bit.

I am very lucky to say that I'm going on trip with my mother and I am, I think I said it in the last week, but I have to bring it up again. I'm going to go see the actual Jersey Shore. I'm so excited like the Jersey Shore house, like the house where they filmed it in. Man. And I can't wait to get a picture of a door just so I can send it to you and say, fucking realize it. Honestly. And then I'll say, yeah, take a door and open it. And you'd be like, that's not, that's nothing. Very excited. Thank you for mentioning that. Yeah, you're so welcome. It really just got stuck in my head for a few days and then I lost it completely. I cannot wait. You really tapped into something there. Anyway, yeah, in case you need a nice one-liner for somebody today.

It's good. Back to Randall, our creepy crawler, as she said, a little too happily. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like that. She calls him Randall because apparently this fucking creepy crawler friend of hers who grabs her by the ankles inside the crypt. And she just giggles her way out after that sentence. From Monsters Inc? From Monsters Inc.

Because he looks exactly like Randall from Monsters Inc. I was going to say the only Randall I know is that creepy thing for Monsters Inc. She said it way too casually, but then she went, I mean, he doesn't like change colors like Randall in the movie, but he is, of course, black with silver eyes. And she just kept moving. Of course. But he can't color change. That would be ridiculous. That would be insane.

What are you talking about? And then she said he does like to slither all over the floor and people have seen him climb up the walls. Don't be like this. I was like, don't be like that. First of all, if I were trying to get someone to interview about like ghost stuff, she nailed it.

She really wasn't afraid to hold back. But I was like, can you at least act knowingly that I'm freaked the fuck out? Slightly perturbed. Right. Read the room. Anyway, she apparently has had way too many experiences. Silverwood, black.

What is they? Black with silver eyes? Black with silver eyes. Randall. Forget it. Who crawls up the walls and slithers on the floor and apparently tries to make eye contact with people. Ew.

Yuck. So I would say he is my least favorite. If I had to spend the night there, Randall would freak me out the most. That's like the crawler from Bobby Mackey's. I don't know. I just, it's like, no. I'm good. Not for me.

Thanks. I'm good. Another death that happened here, which was much more recent, was that actually one of the bartenders died from a self-inflicted gunshot. Oh. Because he found out that his son. died in a mining accident. Oh, Jesus Christ. And so apparently,

it feels weird to say that he's probably people's favorite ghosts there. I think it's because he's the closest to our time, so he feels a little more relatable or something like that. So apparently the only thing that we know for sure about him, this is from the same person who's like really chummy with Randall. She said that her and Scotty,

the bartender who passed away, are pretty tight ghost-wise. but he usually does not care for women, which is interesting because I don't know what else there is about him besides the fact that he lost his son, so I don't know why he has an issue with women, but apparently he does. Well, a lot of men do for no good reason.

Sure. Great point. There are two to three kids who passed away here, or at least two or three kids who haunt this place. Ooh, okay. There is a 10-year-old girl named Gretchen who, remember I said for a while after the club closed, this was office space?

Mm-hmm. One of the offices up there was a doctor's office, and she had been walking right past the building and got hit by a horse and carriage. Oh, Jesus Christ. And people carried her up to the doctor's office and hoped to help her, but she ended up dying from her injuries. And now she haunts the building, and she's known to be quite the giggler. Oh, my. Oh, my. She walks around the ballroom. Apparently there was a ballroom at one point.

So she walks her out there. And she's also seen in a white dress on the staircase, sometimes climbing the stairs. And if you're climbing the stairs, people have felt a little kid grabbed their hand. Oh, that makes me sad. There's another ghost who, or another little kid who died the exact same way, which is very eerie, also hit by a horse and carriage and then died of his injuries. he was a nine-year-old boy named Pete or Peter and he's now known to be a rambunctious ghost who likes to yank on your shirts, pant legs, and purses.

And then there's a little girl, an eight-year-olds named Ella. And she died in a mine explosion where I guess a mine explosion happened in the building next door and killed like 12 people. And two of those people were people who lived in the old Washoe Club. Jesus. Okay. So she died from like the blast, I guess. Right, right. Yeah.

And she had a doll that now apparently still moves by itself. Oh, for God's sake. I mean... I'm out. I'm out. I'd be like, girl, take your doll. I don't know where you are. Get out of here. You and the doll can go. Have a nice life together. Yeah. Afterlife together. So on the staircase, on that big spiral staircase, not only is there that little girl dressed in white who likes to grab your hand, but there's also, of course, A lady in blue. Finally blue. Wow.

A lady. A lot twist. And they say that her name is Lena. A lot of the article said that she was a sex worker from the club's days. But then the woman who knows Randall and all these other people and seems a lot more of today's world. I don't know how else to put it. She seems like someone who like, she's more, I don't know what the right word is. It doesn't feel like it's an article from 50 years ago.

feels like she's just a person who's talking about today. So I kind of trust her more. So I make more sense? Right. It feels more relatable. Yeah. She was the only person to say this, but she did say, I don't think she was a sex worker or she wasn't a sex worker.

She was just a mistress. Mm. She just said she's a mistress who was hooking up with one of the guys in this club and the wife found out. And the wife actually killed her on the stairs. Oh, shit. And then got away with it because she was married to a fucking millionaire. And it's just in the house of millionaires.

Yeah. Holy shit. Everywhere else said like a sex worker who was killed by one of the people in the club or, you know. Of course, there's probably covered up. Yeah. Something like that. Even if it was a sex worker he was having a affair with and then like the wife finds out, right? Like it's just like, whoa, that makes it really like way creepier to know that that happened.

And then they just like didn't do anything about it. Yeah. Or I would see articles where it didn't mention, like, if she was a sex worker or not. But it does put it in your mind when you're like, why is there a woman in a millionaire's club where, like, some debauchery is going on? You assume that something X, X, X, X is going on, you know? But she was the only person to say it was a mistress and the wife of one of the husbands who killed her. And it was on the fucking stairs. I didn't know that at all.

Wow. So people see her now. She's a blonde woman in a Victorian blue dress. Do we know her name? Or no. What'd you say? Sorry. Do we know her name?

or no? We think her name was Lena. Oh, Lena, that's right. I was about to be like, I really like that name. I'm like, yeah, because it's one letter off Leona. I'm like, wow, what a nice name. So we see her now as a blonde woman in a Victorian blue dress. She's seen on the third floor, which is where the club was.

But people have also seen her as a blue mist. People have seen her as blue specks or blue orbs in a picture. So she comes in all shapes and forms, you know, from Troy to Greg, you know. So the full spectrum. Wow. What a callback. Thank you. So this is why I also was kind of blown away by the fact that a woman maybe killed her on the stairs is that every other article said, and her killer is also seen in the building as this dark shadow figure with a reddened hat.

And so. Oh, wow. So it could be like just implied it was not a woman. Yeah. And- Interesting. So now I don't know if the dark shadow everyone sees as a bad, scary person who killed Lena, or was it just like a random man who's like taken the heat for this woman? Or is it, I mean, my first thought is like, Shadow Man or Hatman where I'm like, oh, a lot of times shadow figure show up where there's like really dark energy. Maybe it's just like, hey, I'm here too.

My other thought was like, what if it was the husband she was sleeping with and is like trying to, he's trying to get his wife or something. Gasp. He's back. I don't know. It could be anyone, but apparently there is a dark shadow figure. Or maybe she wore a hat. Maybe she wore a fucking hat. Like Carmen San Diego.

You're totally right. Why am I gender informing hair? You just do that a lot. I know. It's just like your thing that you do. So he's also seen on the upper floors. He could be anyone from the club days at this point. But people have also, when they see him around,

they've also smelled cigar smoke upstairs. They've heard poker chips. clinking. So he's not really like a shadow person in the background. He's like an apparition more. I guess so. Yeah. People have heard piano music playing. People have heard voices talking to each other. Apparently footsteps are so common. It's like crazy. And at the poker table that still sits there, I don't know if it's the poker table or just a table to like, this is where we played poker. Anytime you're in the poker room electronics fail a lot. In the music room, the one shaped like a piano, apparently there's a porcelain doll in there that rocks itself in a rocking chair is that the same one no it's not it's not the same doll oh okay

why are there so many fucking dolls i think ella's doll moves like by itself around the house or something or like moves its arm or like blinks or something but this one like rocks in the chair forget it come on also in the piano room people hear old ragtime music playing like somehow that's fun it's fun until you're alone in a room and hearing of demon piano playing ragtime music. And then the doll's like, here I come. And you're like, no. This is my music. One room there is called the red room, which is known to have the darkest energy without fail.

Every interview I saw, everyone was like, oh, the red room. I don't like going on in the red room. Apparently, people have been scratched and shoved in there. They smell sulfur. They get dizzy and have to leave. About like 30 different people have been on record scratched there really viciously. Jesus. I saw one interview.

I don't remember where I saw it anymore, but they saw like a little girl get like fucked up, like scratch, scratch, scratch all over the back. What the fuck? Doors slam here. This is where Zach Bagan's got one of his very first apparitions, by the way.

Like ever. On camera? On camera. No way. And it's also very common for ghosts to peek their head around corners at you. The girl who I was talking about earlier, who gave me quite a lot of useful. information in the interview I watched her do.

She acted like the heads peeking around was also as common as footsteps. It's just, just another silly thing. She made it sound like every hour on the hour someone's peeking their head around. She's like, you know how it is. Yeah. And then the club isn't the only part that's so haunted. The bar downstairs is also haunted. Like I said, it's the oldest saloon in Virginia City.

And they are still running and they have cocktails that are ghost themed. Do you know I love a theme? they have ghost iced tea, which is kind of like, womp-womp. Yeah. Like, we could have tried harder, I think. But then they also have the Blue Lady and the flaming orb. Now we're talking.

Now we're talking. And there seems to be one main ghost here. I guess he's sometimes called the Prospector, according to some articles. But he is blamed for pretty much all the activity in the bar. Sometimes people will buy him a shot of bourbon to keep him at bay, and the shot glasses always are found empty later. Weird. Um, glasses will also just go missing entirely if they have bourbon in them.

He's like, I'll take this one for the road. Sometimes the glasses fly off the bar. Like, they just get thrown and people just watch them fly across. He's like, this is shit bourbon. I don't want this. Yeah, what is this swill? Yeah, what is this swill? The doors have a tendency to open on their own when women come into the bar.

So he's a gentleman. Love that. And except for the throwing glasses. I was going to say, well. And the bar stools are said to move around by, themselves and different bartenders one guy said it's always the fourth barstool and one bartender said it's always the third barstool but one of those two it always knocks itself over totally by itself always just falls over yuck and people have also been yanked out of those bar stools if they were being

rude to the staff so apparently this ghost is like protective of the employees but like we'll literally get ripped out of the chair um and then that is it for the old washout club today but what i'm going to be covering next week. Oh my God. It continues. It continues. And I'm sorry, for other people who don't like this, I don't like this either. I would like to get back to my fucking normal life. But apparently, Zach Begans is polluting the air. I want to get back to my normal life. Oh my God. But he, he went there. You said twice. He went there three times and I did find the third video. Gasp. So, you did. Yeah. So I will be covering, unfortunately, another ghost ventress commentary. but it was too much to talk about in this one, but I also don't want to not mention it.

Yeah, I got to know what happens. You know, I got to know. Anyway, that was the old Bachel Club. Wow, I was just thinking about that place the other day. I don't know why. I was just like popped in my head. You could sense me doing notes. Maybe I did, honestly.

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Okay. So today I have, it's a bit of a shorter story, which like, obviously we say that a lot, and it's never true. So I'm going to say that now. I think it's true this time. We'll see. Okay. This is the story of a man that the L.A. Times nicknamed the Prince of, you know, fraud. Oh, I love a fraud case. Is that mean no one dies? Um, no one dies. So we can just say whatever

we want. Yay. I always get worried where I'm like, who do, who do, who may, who am I going to crack a joke about and then I feel really fucking bad for the rest of my life. I feel like three lines and I'm going to be like, and then she was murder. Oh, oops. Uh, no, I don't think anyone dies. So like, you know, hold me to that please because, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to get into it. But I don't know why I'm doing this. I'm like zooming in on my computer really big when I like brought my iPad so that I could look at something. It's okay, grandma. Yeah, I know. I'm like extra extra extra large font. Okay, here we go. Here are my notes. So the Prince of Fraud, uh, aka the fake Sultan. He's got a lot of nicknames. Okay. This story today that I'm going to tell it to you, the way that I'm going to tell to you

begins on Fisher Island, off the coast of Florida, Miami area. Do you know this place, Fisher Island? Nope. No, okay. I've heard of it, but I certainly have had no connection to it whatsoever. I feel like maybe it's where your millionaire folks at the Washoe Club maybe would have reincarnated and come back here to this Fisher Island. It's very...

Beautiful. Luxurious, very... This is more like billionaire status, actually. actually. So I don't really know if they're quite allowed to cross over. Like if I feel like you probably have to spend more than four grand to just be in the room, you know? Sure. Sure. From earlier. Yeah. So Fisher Island, if you're unfamiliar, a two, Fisher Island is a 216 acre manmade like little oasis island thing off the coast of Miami that holds a distinction of having the highest per capita income of any zip code in the United States. Jesus. Okay.

So like, you're right, billionaires. I was underselling the status of it. I was thinking like how quaint and fun that we both did like rich people stuff. But this is like, oh shit, this is like. Yeah, I understand. This is like a late stage capitalist version of this story. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it's rough.

So into this world of extreme wealth stepped a man one day known to everyone as Prince Khalid bin al-Saoud. He lived there on Fisher Island in a luxury penthouse that cost $18,500 a month. And he made his presence known immediately. Of course. Of course. You got it. So he drove this brand new Ferrari, California, fitted with diplomatic license plates. Like, he had the whole whole thing.

He had security that accompanied him places. Diplomatic security service, like security detail, they wore the official DSS. lapel pins. Neighbors knew him as very flamboyant. He was known for wearing like the, this is the specific example they gave the latest Gucci fur slippers. Like he would always

be on top of his game in that front. And people actually, locals actually Googled some of the stuff he wore and did because it was like so outrageous. Like people Googled, for example, the Gucci fur slippers to

like uncover what this guy was up to because he was such a mystery. Like he showed up and just made such a big splash and was so eccentric that people were kind of siding him a little bit. Who's that girl? Yeah. Who is that girl? What's she doing here? Are those real? Yeah. And they were. So his neighbors and the staff of the island took his royal status as fact. Often, I mean, he has this house. He has these Gucci fur slippers and they are real. It was suggested. It was implied to people that when they address him,

they use honorifics like, Your Highness. Oh, my. Or His Highness. And when people met him, his entourage would quietly suggest that you bow a little bit when you agree him. Damn. Because he's a prince after all.

And most people just kind of went along with it. They don't know. They're like, I guess he's this Saudi prince that he's claiming to be. Why should I argue, you know? Right. And like, I'll bow to this guy, I guess. He always had a, a tail to weave. So he's like the it girl, not just in his eccentric, flamboyant way. He's also the it girl in that he loves to be the center of attention. Okay. He just can't help himself, this guy. Okay. So he was always telling these stories, right? For example, he, a local resident once asked him, which of the Saudi King's many wives was his? his mother. And he simply replied, the good one. And I was like, ha ha ha ha ha.

It's like, what the fuck are you talking about? Okay. What do you mean? What does it even mean? I don't think him and I would get along. Okay. You don't? It took you this long. You had me with like the outrageous clothing because I was like, I do want to know what

that's all about. But now I think personality wise, he's a real stinker. So, yeah, anyone I have to bow to as soon as I meet them, I'm like, okay, I don't know about this. Do you think his friends bowed to him too? Or were they like, your bitchness? Like, do you think they were like very like silly about it? Or do you think he like what happens?

No, I think I think he took himself very seriously. Like I think like it wasn't. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he necessarily. Hmm. That's a good question. I don't know that he had friends like in that way. Let's say knighted and or in some way I'm expected to be bowed to.

I wonder. Okay. But so his story is like, oh, he grew up as like a prince. of this like billionaire who even knows how much money family so like he's not joking about it like he's like this is my literal entire life you know what i mean i get it it's like a different vibe it's not like he like stumbled into this you know sure i still always wonder though like even like prince william like do you think like do you think his friends bow to him i don't know anything about that i don't even know who that is people weigh in because i'm curious i do think like kate middleton for sure her

friends like don't bow they're like we're closer than that like I feel like something has happened anyway I'm like when I comes to these royal things I just like I'm so blank I'm I've no concept of any of this it's a real it's a real sidebar I just get so into like what are their personal lives like like how much of well you're gonna find out a lot about this one so don't worry sorry sorry no no this is good this is good uh we need to have this kind of out in the open because it is very weird and very confusing. And he became notorious, but not really notorious, more like just like infamous around the island for just being eccentric,

a prince, a royal, a Saudi royal, mysterious in his own way, and a chatterbox and also the center of attention. But perhaps even more famous was his Chihuahua Foxy. Foxy, Foxy lived a life. of luxury. I'm sure. Of true luxury. Okay.

She wore a diamond-encrusted necklace that people claimed looked like Elizabeth Taylor's jewelry. She slept in a Cadillac-shaped bed, like a Cadillac dog bed. Uh-huh. And it had a license place that said spoiled, like custom, custom vanity plates. Now, I don't know about the prince, but I know people bowed to Foxy. Now, Foxy deserves a little bit of. of regal attention. And I would agree.

Some fucking respect with a capital R. So to round out the dog's nursery, yes, the nursery, he even purchased a custom pink piano from Neiman Marcus. The dog obviously cannot play. Well,

I don't know. It's a special fucking dog. It's a royal dog. Maybe. Who am I to say? The amount of wealth that the prince claimed to command was just,

I mean staggering. He told everyone he controlled a significant personal stake in Saudi Aramco, which is the world's largest state owned oil company. And like when you think about the Saudi princes and, you know, the wealth, the unimaginable wealth, there is this element of misdere as well because we don't actually get to know the numbers. We don't actually know how much money they have. That's not information that we know. We just know it's like, I mean literally unimaginable.

And so you just think like to come from that world and have just unlimited money. Like it just and I remember I met some people in D.C. who had not in my circle or anything, but like I had like seen them, you know, like these people who would come from with like diplomatic immunity or whatever and like have these. like bank accounts. Like you just had a card that like linked you to endless money. And I'm like, what the fuck? Crazy. I mean, I was working at the law library for like $9 an hour, but okay. I guess you can buy me a Bud Light platinum.

Anyway, so this is this guy. This is his dog. It's just talk about Flamboyant. Okay. He tells everyone he has the stake in Saudi Ramco. And so they're like, holy shit. He's got money, money. Okay.

To prove it to people, he would, not that people were like, prove it, but I guess just as like evidence of this, he would show off this ornate box he had, which contained a letter allegedly from the Bank of Dubai that guaranteed to him the availability of $600 million just to access for any sort of business venture. I was a business adventure. That's what this podcast is. Any sort of business venture, anything he wants to invest in, any friends he wants to help out, like 600 million just kind of just sit there just to have for fun. So of course, people are like,

oh, interesting. Like, thanks for inviting me over. This looks like it'll be a nice friendship for me. I imagine at least that's what people were thinking. I don't know what rich people are like. It doesn't seem like fun. So he gets his letter allegedly from the Bank of Dubai that he's showing people. He has $600 million. And he would tell people that he kind of got to know and would invite over he offered them exclusive access to sovereign-backed deals in things like Irish pharmaceuticals, Maltese casinos. Like he had these like kind of very out there. It feels almost like they can't be fact-checked, you know?

Sure. Like, what do you mean? Irish pharmaceuticals and Maltese casino in Middle Eastern jet fuel. Yeah. Yeah. What is that supposed to mean? But people fell for it, right? because like, why wouldn't you just believe that?

And also he looked apart. He, he wore like the traditional clothing, bishts, they're called, and thobes. And he, he essentially just was so, it was very catch me if you can, right? Like, he's just so self-assured, very con artist. Like, people just believed him without even considering he might be lying. Right. In reality, this guy was not a Saudi royal. I know.

shocking. His name was actually Anthony Giniac and he Tony G. Tony G. He'd grown up in Michigan. Of course. He wasn't even born. Not only was he not born as a Saudi prince or anywhere in that part of the world. He was born in Columbia. Columbia. And was

like there's no tie to any reality here, right? Like, just pointing that out from the, from the jump. Like, there's no tie whatsoever to any fiction, like any figment of reality in this one. You know how sometimes you see people and they like kind of glom onto something and like take it really far and say they got like a degree from Harvard and it's like, okay, you took a class or whatever. But they like, this is just totally out of, out of the blue. Maybe you're going to cover this. But how did he not get his, how did his friends not find out what he was up to or something. I think you talk a lot about friends and I think maybe people like this don't necessarily

have like an inner circle that is either checking in on close or authentic enough or real friends enough or family enough, you know, to like really step in. And a lot of this started as a result of some serious trauma in his young years. And so it's kind of hard to trace it back. What happened was he was born in Columbia and he and his brother were orphaned at a young age and they ended up living on the streets together and fending for themselves for several years and like deeply traumatic upbringing was then adopted by a family in Michigan. And he had actually been born Jose Moreno in Bogota and he and his brother Daniel had been

adopted in 1977 and this was kind of like a middle class Michigan family like nothing crazy but that extreme poverty he lived through and his his sort of like job responsibility at that time caring for his little brother and making sure both of them survived whatever happened to him it's just it's terrible to read about but whatever happened to him manifested as this obsession with wealth and an obsession with this like need to present as this uber wealthy like totally different person well i feel like part of it was probably like he created this like protector who like never has to worry about money or whatever 100% i mean i feel for him that he probably learned how to be either overtly confident or a con artist or whatever

totally in the middle of just trying to make sure his brother had food and so he was like oh this worked so I'm just going to keep doing this and then just kind of grew yeah survival survival and like yeah I completely agree and it is it's really sad um so yeah he developed this lifelong obsession um with being wealthy with like being someone else you know and even though he was adopted into this American family um it wasn't quite the sort of like Hollywood picture that you might imagine as someone as a kid from another country, his parents got divorced when he was pretty young, his adoptive parents. And that also sent him into another spiral.

I mean, there was just a lot that we don't necessarily know, but that was clearly very linked to a lot of these behaviors. For example, at just 12 years old, we're starting off strong, okay? At 12 years old, he somehow manages. catch me if you can style to trick a Mercedes-Benz salesman into giving him a test drive of one of the cars. And he does this by claiming he's a Saudi prince. And he's starting off strong at 12 with this. And he starts the story.

And he starts renting limousines in town or in nearby towns. And he rides around in limousines. And anytime somebody asks, like, who's this rich teenager? He would just like flash some fake thing. be like, oh, I'm a, I'm a royal prince, you know. That's such a, that's such a, um, I wouldn't have started at Saudi Prince because it sounds so ridiculous. I guess you have to be 12 and confident to do that.

You know, and I think that might be why it worked because he was so confident that it was almost like the first trick out of the book, it worked. And he just fucking ran with it. Like, I feel like if a 12-year-old came up to me, though, and said, I'm a Saudi prince. I'd go, you're fucking lying. But he would never come up to you. He would never come up to you. he's a Saudi prince.

He wouldn't fucking talk to you. Do you see what I mean? Like he literally walks around embodying this. So it's not like you see a 12 year old. You see like a Saudi prince because he's telling you or at least in the minds of the people that he's literally pulling the wool over their eyes in the way that not literally. Maybe. He's figuratively pulling the wool over their eyes. And they're just like adults and a 12 year old has just totally, I mean, he must be good.

He must be great. And like you said, it's probably this lifetime of just childhood. of trauma like learning to survive and then like spinning it into something and it works and he runs with it. So this is what he was up to. He was he was at 12 already creating like false realities. Of course the people in his life knew he's not a Saudi prince and they're like, you know, cut it out. You're going to get in trouble. They probably see it as like trouble making. His parents are getting divorced so they're distracted, you know. And I think he just kind of runs with it. So by the late 80s, early 90s, Jinyak was like full.

fledged con artist. He had various aliases. One that he used was a very real man named Prince Adnan Khashoggi. And this guy, he's now deceased, but he was a very real and extremely wealthy person. He's described as a Saudi businessman and arms dealer known for his business dealings, extensive geopolitical influence and opulent lifestyle, which earned him the moniker, the Great Gatsby of the Middle East, and quote. at the time of his death, he was estimated to be worth about $4 billion. And this is a guy, Jinyak in his, like, 20s is just pretending to be your 30s, like pretending to be this guy. How much did he actually have?

Do we know? Like, nothing. Like, nothing, wow. I know if, like, through this, he ended up, like, kind of catch me if you canning where he did actually have something sometimes. I mean, I think it, well, he did. I mean, he had a fucking $18,500 condo in Fisher Island. And like he basically had everything. Yeah.

But like what's real, right? Like it's like, okay, a credit card is a piece of plastic, but you can buy a house with it, you know? I mean, I don't know if you can buy a house with it. I guess you can buy a house with it. Wow. Cool. But he knew how to fucking.

Yeah. He knew how to do it. All right. So he was very notorious actually for using stolen credit card numbers. That was like his main thing. And remember, this is like the 90s. So I feel like this is also before. I mean, I know it's before a lot of the like,

advancements. Yeah, fraud countermeasures, those kind of things. Like check fraud, I think at this point, they were like, we got check fraud. And then now it's like credit card numbers, like shit. I feel like all the check fraud experts were feeling real good. And then all of a sudden credit cards came out and they were like, God damn it. We were like so close. We just got there.

Yeah. The fraudsters are a step ahead, I suppose. In one early scheme, he even managed to like scam. fraternity house and he told he partied with them and told them he was like this so maybe that's what was happening to me when I was in college and I met those Saudi princes that were literally just scammed me I don't know um but he scammed a fraternity house he scammed all number of people he claimed he was like different ages he I mean he just is like he's bawling he's just bawling he's just balling I don't know I don't tell you for a while it sounds like he was living sky high

oh he's living fucking sky is highest yes um he um he he's He eventually moves to California, and this is where he refines his MO. Okay. He checks into world-class hotels like the Regent Beverly Wilshire. He runs up bills for thousands and thousands and tens of thousands of dollars in rooms, in limousines, and then he just leaves. And he tells people, oh, well, my family, the royal family in Saudi Arabia will take care of this. And then, like, that's that. And he leaves.

Like, leave it on my tab. Leave it on the tab. Leave it on daddy's credit card. Papa will take care of it. Exactly. Yeah. So this led to a cycle and he didn't get away with all that. Like he's not that mastermind.

Okay. He was arrested 11 times and he was sent to prison several times, including a significant deal in 2004 that left him in prison for like 15 years. This motherfucker gets out and he is back to business. he shows up in Fisher Island and that's how we get all the way back to the beginning of the story. I see. Steps foot on Fisher Island

gets out of prison for like a lot of fraud. And nobody I'm assuming hears about any of this stuff because otherwise... No, no, he's created like a whole new thing now. Yeah, exactly. He's just like stepped in as a totally yeah, exactly. I feel like people like this just cannot help themselves.

Like they don't know another way to live because how could they? Like he's lived this way since he was like a baby. And he probably can justify it in his head of like, well, I'm surviving. I don't think he even probably. If he had to, I don't think he feels any guilt. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I wonder. I feel like this is just like, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Okay.

So he goes right back to business. He sets up this Fisher Island ruse. He drives his Ferrari with the fake diplomatic plates. And then he decides he's going to find, he's going to find a new time. target. And, you know, he's not messing around with these, like, small fish anymore. He goes to billionaire Jeffrey Soffer, who at one point was married to supermodel, L. McPherson, um, is also famous for being the owner of Miami's iconic fountain blue hotel. Um, and he is just this like Uber wealthy billionaire. Okay. And like, they showed a picture of him on one of the interviews or

whatever. And I was like, oh, I know that. I've recognized that guy, but like, just some other billionaire guy. Okay. So. He's in sort of wrong place, wrong time. And he sort of gets got because posing as Sultan bin Khalid al-Saud, Giniak offers to buy a 30% stake in the resort for $440 million. Oh, Tony. I know. I know.

He was so... Sorry. Wow. Even Geo gets it. He was like, what's with this guy? Is he napping? No, the mail's here, I think. Gio, cut it out.

I see one buck curtain. It's the buck curtain stall. All right. Well, he tried. He tried his best. So, apparently he was so convincing when he went up to Jeffrey Staufferin was like, oh, I'd like to buy a 30% stake in your hotel that he threw that whenever he was even slightly questioned or like put in on the spot he he would throw a tantrum or he would like

overact in this like really intense way that scared people so for one example he threw a violent tantrum in an aspen hotel lobby claiming that his royal honor had been insulted okay and sofar's team actually apologized by gifting him a cardier bracelet worth $50,000 I guess he'll take it exactly and he I guess. I mean, my pride is on the line, but I guess I'll take it. Apparently, he told Jeffrey Stauffer and his team, like, you know, it's customary where I'm from to give gifts to someone as you're doing business dealings with them. Oh, I'm sure, yeah. So they purportedly gave him, like, almost 200 grand and just presents. Is that a real, like, thing? Or did he just make that up and nobody looked it up?

He's just making it. That's crazy that nobody would look that up before they started. Look it up. Like giving gifts to a business partner. I don't know. It's just like he just is so. I would argue that that's like so against the rules because of like a conflict of interest or something. It's like, well, now I'm you're, you're bribing me.

No? I don't know. No way with these rich people bribing. They don't. I mean, listen. They blackmail. They don't bribe. Fair enough.

Okay. So you're on to it though because Jeffrey Soffer does start to wise up. Okay. I was going to say this Jeff guy is needs to get. together. And Gio agrees. God damn it. He's like, Jeffrey, Jeffrey, figure it out.

Boo. And it like, it's like. Feels like the old days. Doesn't it though? Doesn't it just? And you're like sweating to death over there, just like the old days. I got a package. You did.

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Thank you. Okay, red flags start showing up. Jeffrey's got to get it together and he starts to, okay? And he puts the pieces together. He's not a total idiot, okay? During a dinner out with software, this devaluing, devout Muslim prince, as he claims to be. He starts ordering bacon and talking about how much he loves bacon and other pork products

and prosciutto, et cetera. And he's just loving the stuff. And Safar's like, aren't you Muslim? Aren't you like devout Muslim? Mm. And he's just getting weird vibes. Okay. He also is suspicious because he's realizing that Jinyak only rents a single condo,

but he claims to own the entire 54-unit building. that he invites people to. And when cornered or pushed into this, right, and he's throwing these fits, he's getting these presents, but like we said, it can only go so far. It gets weird, okay?

He starts getting so bold in his lives that it's almost like, it's like people like this, like we said, they don't know how to stop. They're going to get too close to the sun. It's just, it's bound to happen. And until then, like you said, he's fucking flying high. He's living large.

Okay. He at one point, while he's living on Fisher Island, convinces American Express to issue him a platinum card with $200 million as a credit limit under the name of Prince Al-Salud claiming that his previous card had been lost and that if they failed to supply him with a new one, his father, the king, would be extremely angry. also like what I would start getting nervous that the actual king would fucking hear about this and be like I know you don't mess around with these fucking people like if you're making if you're making these kinds of moves you really are on someone's radar that does know the king if you're pretending to be a multi billionaire you're on a list if you are a multi billionaire you're on a list and if you're pretending to be one oh they're looking at you someone knows yeah and like just the weird stuff started to catch up so he did this thing with the Amex And he, um, one of the things he had been arrested for those 11 times earlier was, um, he apparently attempted to charge $29,000 of department store fees to the amount of the real prince also, which is a real person, by the way. And he ended up, um, that was that 77 month conviction he was put away for, but he did this a lot.

He had credit lines at, um, uh, department stores. And he would go in and say like, this is the royal tab. I mean, like, it's just like crazy that you could just do that, but it worked. He claimed during his interrogation for that for that first, first didn't, no, not first in prison, but longest in prison that he had been offered a line of credit from the Saudi royal family as hush money because he had had an illicit homosexual affair with an actual Saudi prince. So when he gets cornered, he doesn't only double down.

He like adds even more context that's like also made up. So just to give you a spoiler, like there is no connection to any Saudi prince. I mean, we don't know. Maybe he literally hooked up with some guy that was. But there's no real tangible evidence of that. That would be a crazy story, though, if two people claiming to be a Saudi prince hooked up of each other and neither of them were. That'd be delicious. You too?

Oh, my God. Wow. We're a match maiden hell. Hell. Hell, yeah. So the red flags, the pork, the condo where he's like, only in one condo, even though he claims to own the whole building. And it's like, something's off, right?

And he's kind of making up these stories like, oh, the real reason I had credit at this one place was because I had an affair with this prince, whatever. Okay. My dad's going to be so mad and like people are just starting to get, get wise. So when Sofer finally says like, hey, his team at least says like, hey, we're not feeling good about this. And we feel like you need to like show up with some more details information. you need to prove yourself a little more. He throws another fucking fit. Wouldn't you know it?

He starts taking calls. I'm doing huge air quotes from the State Department. I'm going to do more air quotes here. He speaks in Arabic. Oh, boy. Yeah. He uses codes like Zulu, Red, Echo 33. That mean nothing.

I mean, it's just like, whoa, we're back in middle school, right? Like he is fucking trying hard. It does feel like in middle school when everyone's just a diabolical liar. And like... Just diabol. And you don't give it up. You don't give it up. Yeah.

Yeah. He claims he had a computer chip around his neck so that the secret service could track him for his own safety. You know? At the very least say it's implanted in you so no one can see it. Uh, good point. Otherwise, it'd be like, oh, show me. I want to see the tracker immediately. I mean, he probably was like here to this.

Yeah. You can't see the tracker in it, though. It's like, well, you know, and he has these robes. And so he's like, oh, it's in here. you know. And the ruse finally ended, right, in November 2017, because the red flags just added up. And he was intercepted because now the FBI's got an interest in this fella. I imagine the CIA has gotten interested in this fellow.

We're talking international situations here. He was intercepted at JFK Airport. And in the interrogation room, he's still pretending to speak Arabic. I mean, he's making up sounds. It's like, dude. This is the moment you go, I was kidding. Like the FBI knows how to speak. Do you know that the CIA knows how to speak Arabic?

Right. It's like their whole thing. Like don't, don't give it a rest. Okay. I don't know if he knew any Arabic. I don't know. But when I watched these interviews on the little captions say, pretending to speak Arabic.

And I was like, that's all I need to know. Okay. So he's intercepted at JFK. He's trying to keep up the act and say like, oh, he has this connection. And finally, the agent says your dog Foxy we have someone

who's gonna take a look at her and he fucking loses it Oh that would absolutely send me into a full bone spiral breaks down he's like someone needs to take care of Foxy and they're like they're like this is our inn and they're like we'll take care of Foxy

she's safe just tell us everything and we'll make sure she's taking care of in her little Cadillac bed or whatever the fuck that was his like only genuine affection right, like his only real kind of, like soft spot, I guess. And also, I would add that as someone who his whole childhood was having to take care of a dependent, like this had to fuck with him a little bit of like he's not being a protector

anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're like, give it a rest. We're going to take care of Foxy, just fucking drop it. And finally, he does. In March 2019, he pleaded guilty to charges including wire fraud, impersonating a diplomat. He was sentenced to over 18 years in federal prison. He's still incarcerated today.

And he has been ordered to pay back approximately $7 million to his victims. I don't think he's going to. Good luck. I don't know where that's going to come from. But I just imagine like it's exhausting to live like. I mean, of course it is. Like to live like this with getting cardiac bracelets and being like, now I have to, now I have something and I'm going to lose it.

And I have to pretend. I mean, it's just like exhausting, dude. Yeah. I can't imagine. Is, like, what is, how did he, what did he say? Do we know what he said to the cops of, like, all of it's fake? Or, like, did they have to, I wonder if they had to slowly weaslet out of him and he kept trying to hold on to at least one threat or something or.

You know, I don't. I don't know. Totally no. I think he kind of clammed up. I think he was sort of like, I think people dug into his background. He couldn't, like, deny that he was a quote unquote, this is how it was framed, orphaned. He was, you know, his brother were orphaned in Bogota.

And it's like, well, once that's out there, like, what are you going to say? You know, I'm super curious now what the king of, the Saudi king must, uh, must think of him. Because surely he's found out now about this, right? You think? I feel like probably a lot of people pull shit like this. Maybe he's used to it. I don't know.

But I don't fucking used to it. He's probably like, not another one, you know. I do wonder how that works in a legal system where like if you're in jail and you owe millions of dollars. Like, they cannot expect you to ever be able to actually pay that off. How does that work? No, I mean, I think that's like over. I mean, I think it depends on the situation.

And I think it's like if you have assets, that gets, you know, taken into consideration. I think that's probably a whole lot of legal teams trying to figure out what you own and what's yours and how what the value is. And then probably once you get out, you know, you're on the hook for that. You're probably just like in debt for the rest of your life trying to pay people like that. I mean, he probably already was. so kind of. Oh, do we ever hear about Foxy? Like, I can't, like if you're in...

No, I mean, I think someone just took... As far as I know, they were like, if you give this whole ruse up, we'll take care of Foxy. I hope he got to see Foxy. I feel so, I'm like so, I feel so bad about Foxy wondering like where her owner went and everything. Not that I'm worried I feel bad for him,

but I feel bad for Foxx, for Foxy. I'm sure she's fine. She's living a fucking royal life, man. Oh, well, good story. I love ones where people don't die. I know. It is refreshing, isn't it? It feels like a safe space to have my thoughts and not go, well, maybe I should keep that

to myself because what if something bad happens to them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and you can say things about people even if something bad happens to them. I know. I just get a little weird because I don't know. I'm like, what if I find out something? I don't know. I just always get extra like on edge.

It feels more relaxing to know people aren't going to die in the next 30 minutes of my years. Like you don't want to misstep with your, yeah, yeah. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Just kind of like... Storytelling.

Another troubled man in this world. Ugh. All of a sudden I feel like the Saudi King. I'm like, another one. Not another one. What are you up to? You look very poised and posh right now with your legs crossed, your arms folded. Are you mad at yourself for me or the Saudi King?

Yeah, definitely the world. But no, no, no, it's really just remember at the beginning of the episode when I adjusted my Tata. They need to be adjusted again? We talked about bras and stuff And I almost said then But I didn't really get a chance to you But yeah, I noticed when I have this camera on

I do start to get a little lumpy You know It's an angle where it's just like a little like It's distracting to me watching it Like I don't care what I look like really But it's like I just get distracted So then I catch myself just being like Just fuck it like put your arms over

Oh well you look sudden babes But um Well thanks It's not like I also need new bras, but that's fine. It's another conversation for another day. That's another yappy hour talk. Well, I'll let your, you and your little boobies run away. It's time to go officially. All over. We'll see you next week where I finish hopefully the stupid Zach Began's saga. Don't hold your breath, people. And that's why we drink.