And That's Why We Drink - E484 A Ghost Ensemble and a Witch Magnate

Episode Date: May 24, 2026

It’s Episode 484 and we’re being haunted by our past selves and future ghosts. Today Em takes us to Illinois for their Part Two on the haunted Egyptian Theatres. Then Christine covers the frustrating case of Athalia Ponsell Lindsley and Francis Bemis, which remains unsolved to this day. And you all better lookout when we get our blackbelts in guitar and jiu-jitsu… and that’s why we drink!If you’re 21 or older and interested in learning more about becoming a living donor for Mally, you can visit Yale New Haven’s living donor program at ynhh.org/organdonation or call the Center for Living Organ Donors at 866-925-3897.Want to listen ad-free? Join our new Certified Yapper tier for $10/month on Patreon! Ad-free episodes starting at E469 at: http://patreon.com/ATWWDPodcast !Catch our bonus Yappy Hour intermissions on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3L28lDw or subscribe on Patreon!___________________Go to https://zenni.com/podcast and use code PODCAST15 for 15% off your first order.Find Angry Orchard near you at https://angryorchard.com and use the cider locator. Please drink responsibly.Download the Reddit app today.Explore coverage at https://www.aspcapetinsurance.com/DRINK . The ASPCA® is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insuranceIf you think you or someone you know might be struggling with OCD, go to https://learn.nocd.com/ATTWD and book a free call with their team to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Go to an OCD.com and book a free call with their team to learn more. That's NOCD.com to schedule a free call and learn more. Hello and welcome to and that's why we drink. We are here today to discuss all the things that make us imbibe. Yes, right. Yes. I'm what today I'm imbibing on a raspberry lemonade a razzlam as you know as a as all the really hip people call it sure it's just a one of those little powders it gets me going every time I take a sip I apologize to the YouTubers because you'll see me roll my eyes into the back of my head every time I sip it is so delicious oh it's apologies I would like an apology just for myself also while we're here just you can look away you just look over there right over there just close my eyes it's yeah I'm not getting this. Like, I'm trying, I have to stifle my, the sounds that come out of me when I'm drinking.

I'm like, it is so delicious. Oh. So, oh. You know what? You'll, you'll see. They'll all. Do you have any, do you have any, first of all, calm down. Second of all, I don't know that I want to see.

Third of all, do you have any tourists in your chart? Because you're really getting, you're giving me some tourist vibes. And you guys, you know, I've been studying my astrology. And I'm just like, you know, a lot of sensory. You're very into, like, tastes and feelings. feels of like well thank you i take that as a comment i don't know i really other than my big three don't know anything just uh i don't know you'll see you'll all see i'll see i'm telling you what about you are do you have any torus in your chart i do my mercury is in torus isn't that fun i think

i didn't realize that and i learned that and i thought that's strange it doesn't fit me and then i kind of thought about it and i was like i guess it sort of does it's like direct communication, like, kind of like straight to the point, like, very, like, grounded communication. But I'm also like, I don't know, I'm kind of a total airhead. So I feel like most of my conversations are far from grounded. So I'm kind of reconciling with tourists. But you have Gemini, I mean, not to just know your chart, but you have Gemini. Um, all in your mercury. Yeah. Oh, in my very interesting. Yeah. So that makes sense for, for you. As I'm pulling your hair on the very Gemini energy. Yeah. But I don't know what the tourists about me says. But, um,

Well, that's exciting. I'm glad you got your eyes rolling to the back of your head over that gross-looking water bottle. It does look gross. I, every time I see someone with a water bottle and there's something not clear in it, I'm like, what is going on? Same. What is- Oh my God, I took a sip of blazes water bottle. He didn't know this. And I was like, what the fuck? It wasn't like gin, but it was like some RASLam situation. And I almost like vomited. I was like, I didn't, I don't like that it's a mystery liquid in this water bottle. Like a water bottle is for water. I know a lot of people disagree with that. But for me, I'm like, I have my cups for powder stuff and I have my cups for water. I have my, I have that same feeling.

I have the anxiety of that happening every time I go to a restaurant get iced tea. Because I'm like, what is your version of this? I don't want this. Could be anything. I ordered it, but I don't want it. I would prefer safety. Read the room. Yeah.

Because some people are like, like there's one Miris where there's a restaurant down the street where we're like, can we get an I see and they're like oh do you want the what's it called like the fiesta tea and I'm like I don't want that at all that sounds like hell please just give me some dirty ground dirt tea water sounds like hell yeah oh boy so so you drink your rasm okay well do you have a reason why you drink this week um not an interesting one it's just it's so effin hot the summer has come i don't like it i was really last last week two days ago I went to the the dog park and I went with a blanket wrapped around me and it was like nice and chilly and like everyone was cozy all of a sudden hottest experience of my life roasting sweating like then

yesterday then I went to the dog park within it was a 24 hour period yesterday when everyone was like the dog gets 20 minutes and then we're all going home it's like too hot oh my god we've got a rash in it I mean and like that's when I see the razzlum come out and I'm like I get it because sometimes you really need like a hydration supplement and like the vessel is going to be a clear water bottle And it's just how it is today because it's just summertime. Get over it. I mean, is that your catchphrase now? This is my Mercury and Taurus maybe. It's coming into its own. Get over it. Get over it. Fucking close the door and kick a rock or two, you fuckhead. Were you trying to Jersey shore that for a second and then forgot halfway through? Probably. Open the door and fucking realize it.

realize it step through it fucking kick a rock or two and get with the program and fly the kite while you're at it so fly a fucking kite up your own ass if you will oh my you know and all i said was they'll all see and that was crazy for you wow and that sent me into a tizzy but you know what um it was also inspiring thank you you you know what i miss wake up and smell the coffee now that's good that's really good that's really good remember that weird folders commercial where like the brother and sister like bang we're like making it out. You made a face like you didn't know and then you said, yeah, they banged and I went, oh, thank God, we're on the same page here. Yeah. It was so gnarly. The banging part is certainly not on camera, but it's before and after. Read the room, boo buddy, if you don't mind.

They should be kicking rocks in like separate rooms. Like, what's the door lock? They should be separated for sure. They should open the door and then close it between them. What's the shit? They say like, oh, my Christmas gift is you. I dare you. Hey, hey, hey.

Hey, I dare you. For Christmas, it's around the corner. I want you to just... Don't say that. I just need you to put a bow on your stupid fucking head and walk over to Sandy. You don't think that we have already played this joke on our own family. Like, listen, when that came out, we were both, I think it was like, we were in high school or something. And it was the worst possible time for everyone to be making, like, sibling incest jokes.

And we were like, this is not funny. But for a while there, it was the joke. And I think probably Renee spearheaded that campaign. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, you're on to something. And I don't necessarily look forward to the reboot. But it might have to happen. I don't know.

For the views? You're telling me you don't want to throw a bow on Zandi's head and say, you're my gift this year. Yeah. Read the room, people. It's the vibe has shifted. God, I'd pay so much. I would pay so much to see that.

It would be beautiful. To see sibling incest. Okay. Well, no, just the bow part. Okay. Just the bit. Just like the bit. I just want to see.

Got it. Just the one liner and the reaction and then fade to black. That's all I want. Okay. Well, I'll make sure to put a cross fade in there just for the fade to black. And I'll put credits at the end with your name on it just to give you the kind of kind of credit. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Now, other than the very specific vision I just put in your head, why do you drink that week? Well, certainly that's now top of the list. There are so many reasons, you know. It's like every day I'm like finding a new reason to just have an existential crisis. But I think we're all in the same boat, right? And then today I woke up and I thought, I'm going to post a tarot reading on TikTok. What? What?

Who's that? I don't know. I'm a tourist. My mercury's in tourist. So nobody knows what that means. And so I am sort of trying to, you know, find out. And so I posted this video and I'm kind of freaking out because I'm like, what am I doing? You know that like imposter syndrome?

Because I don't know. I do a lot of tarot. but I do it like at home by myself or with like Blaz or my brother or my mother and that's about it or Leona but she usually just ignores me but so I'm like used to doing it but then I'm like oh it's so it's odd to like have people like watch it you know so because you like who's gonna mansplain it to you in some way tarot's like it's like putting yourself out there you know a little bit in a new way and so it's fun but I'm just exploring and then also I drink because speaking of exploring I've been trying new things kind of like you like I've I've been

I'm practicing watercolor for fun, like I mentioned. And I'm actually today, and I'm literally my, I'm going to just poop my pants. I'm so nervous. I'm going to Blaise's jujitsu gym later. To do, to watch him? To do a class. Okay. I know. That's fine. Help. Why are you scared just because you don't want to, it's performance anxiety? Yeah, I guess and I'm just like, I don't know. I've never been to his gym before. Like, okay. Are you worried he's going to see? I'm like worried he's going to see and also not see. I'm like, I'm worried he's going to be there and then I'm worried he's not. Are you worried his friends are going to say something?

Yeah. Well, no. Okay. So his friends are the ones who are so, okay. So Blaze has been going to this gym for a while. And I, I've been, we're very, Blaz and are very independent in our own ways. Like, we're very close when we're together.

But then like we have, like you and Allison, right? Like, very separate. Like we do our own hobbies and then we like reconvene and discuss. And so he's been doing jiu jitzyzy. for years now and he teaches a foundation's course. And by the way, shout out to their gym because it's lovely. It's called Bendu and it's in Northside Cincinnati. And they are so welcoming.

And that's why I'm going because I'm just proving to myself like, hey, Blaze and his friend, Blaine, by the way, shout out to Blaine and Blaze. Like actually, that's like, don't even. This is an anime. Get me. Thank you. Don't even get me started. Okay.

So Skylie also teaches shout to Skylie. She teaches the women's class. And I'm excited and terrified. and they have kids classes. It's just a very welcoming environment and they built it. Blaine built it out of like a place that they were before that was not quite such a welcoming environment, let's say. So today I'm finally joining the women's class for the first time and Blaz is like excited.

I'm excited and I just am nervous. But yeah, if anybody wants to, and apparently it's very low key, like Blaze said, just, you know, it's just more about technique. There's no like crazy training or like exercising. it's like very just kind of focused on like the basics of jiu-jitsu and I have no clue what I'm doing but I'm really in this era of figuring out what the fuck is going on with you know the world so I figured why not fuck it it's very cool I think you'll be really good at it thank you I don't think so but it's fun and it also looks a little bit like I'm like everyone's just like rolling around with each other on the

floor it feels a little bit like gay no hey gay and blaze said that that's part of the joke of soon be able to roll around together I don't know oh for the first time the first time I I, I, uh, no, I have a friend, uh, not out here, but she came to visit and she does jit-suit. And she was like, let me just show you. And then, Ciblam, I was on the fucking ground. On the floor. And she's eddy bitty and I'll, that's what's not. And she, that's, I mean, I know that's like the whole thing. It's like, it's not about. Anyway, I, I was, I was K-Oed before I was even aware what was happening. I know. And like, that happened to me when I was little, I was like 13 and my, I had this cousin,

or I do have this cousin, Magda. And she's like, just. one of my faves. No offense to all my other cousins, but Magda is just like one of those people where you're like, oh my God. And she would take me under her wing for the best and for the worst. And one time, so she won this like, she won like the Austrian, I'm probably misquoting this, but like the Austrian judo championships. Like that's incredible. Yeah, at like age 20 or so. I don't know, something like that. And one day I kind of like jokingly was like, I could beat you up. Literally, I don't remember. I just suddenly couldn't breathe and I was looking at the sky.

You saw a little tweety bird circling around you. 100%. And I was just like, I couldn't breathe. I like the wind was knocked out of me. And I was like, cool. Yeah, never, never making that joke again. But how cool if you get not even really good, just a little good? And all of a sudden you just go, oh, by the way, Magda, I think I could kick your ass again.

And then. I would love to kick her ass. You know she would destroy me. She coaches like the national. No, she doesn't coach the national women's soccer. She coaches some sort of high up women's soccer. She probably still kick my ass. But man, I want to try it.

And I mean, I really do think you would be very good at it. I don't know what. There's something in your spirit must be that Taurus and Mercury or some shit. Can you imagine if after your first like big spa or I don't know, battle, whatever they fucking call it? Yeah. Yeah. Imagine you throw some girl on the ground and they go, sorry, I'm a Taurus and Mercury. You wouldn't understand.

Oh my God. And she'd be like, oh, my God, me too. I love girlhood. I love girls. That's why I'm excited. I'm like, and Leona's going to come because they're going to pick me up. And then I take Leona home and Blaze teaches his class. And I'm like, oh my God, we're like all going to the same dream.

I'm so scared and so excited. Is Leona in class? She's not yet. But I think like in the next couple of years she's going to start. She really wants to. Yeah. No, I always told Allison that I don't give a shit of like what hobbies our kid has. Like I'm not going to force them into like a quote, common sport.

But like my only non-negotiable, especially if we have a daughter, would be self-defense. You just have to know it. Yeah. I just think at this point, like, if you're going to pick a hobby, like, let's do that one. Let's do that one. Yeah. And then watercoloring and poetry also for the softer side. You know, to cut with a knife, but like, like, like psychiatrically.

Yeah. That sounds bad. That sounds bad. But it's just be philosophical and try to talk things out and be into your feelings. With words, you know. Yeah. I'm an air sign. I don't know if you know that about me.

Oh, okay. I'm very proud of you. How long does it take for someone to like get like, I'm such an asshole. I was going to call it a ribbon. What's the bell? What the fuck do it? A ribbon? Go over to blaze and be like, oh my God, your ribbons are so cute.

Oh my God. Can I tie it in a bow? Can I tie it in a French knot? Can I braid it? I know. I know. I don't fucking know anything. Well, I was going to say it would be incredible for your, for the dopamine spike.

They're like, how often are you getting them? you know like so i've been taking guitar oh right oh wow yeah fun fact did not know how is that going are you singing too or just playing bat do you get a metal a ribbon for that well so they go by like it's literally i go to a little kid's guitar place good and i told them i need you to i'm this is not a moment where you get to like act all cool and you know cords and shit i need you to treat me like i just got my brain yesterday yeah um and if you think what you're about to say might be technically complex at all for like an eighth grader make it dumber um dumber and one of the things that they do at this like meant for children guitar place is that they go by like the one of them jujitsu karate

whatever they go by the same belt system but they use oh for this so i'm currently a white pick um but then oh my god after you like learn a certain amount with them then you get like you have to there's a whole ceremony of to swap out the pick with a different color i don't i think it's per i don't fucking know. Wow. But, oh, there's a bug. I'll kill it later. Anyway, I, um, wow, it was a gnat. We're fine. Mr. Miyagi. That'd be crazy if I just picked it up and just went, oh, anyway, I'll get that later. Anyway, good luck with your martial arts. Okay. I'll be at the guitar with my black belt. Anyway, I, but so they, that's the closest. I can't wait till you're a black belt in the guitar. And I'm a.

black belt in jujitsu. That would be sick. And I'll, I'll play all your theme songs when you walk out. Oh my God. Yeah. It's going to be like nothing anyone's ever seen. By the way, when you get your black pick, there's like literally like you get your name on the wall. Holy shit. I know. I cannot wait for that day. Memorialized forever. So, um, anyway, I'm very proud of you. And I, I hope you stick with it long enough to get one belt because then I just know in the magic that is ADHD is all of a sudden you'll be a black belt very quickly. It's just, you know, it's like the slippery slope that we love and hate. You need a reward, a fun little treat.

And if the fun little treat is something you can also wear, are you kidding me? Exactly. And it comes in colors. And you get to beat up boys. Oh my God. I just want to beat up a boy so bad. I get it. Okay.

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ZE-N-N-I.com slash podcast, promo code podcast 15. I, uh, let's see. If you recall, this is a part two. I do recall. Oh, okay. That would have been real silly if I went so anyway. Here's a random topic. And you had to call me out. I thought I've been so embarrassed. You've never had to call me because neither of us ever remembered the three times I failed at bringing up a second part of a story that I was meant to. So don't worry about that. I do remember it's a part two because before every episode now, I ask myself if it's a part two for myself because I have to. Otherwise, I will forget. You know what? You do what you have to do. That's okay. Thanks.

Do you remember what the part two, what the part one was? It was the, the, Egyptian theater. Holy shit. Okay. Memory. In Idaho. Going nuts today with the brain, huh? Funny as I didn't remember.

And then you asked me and I said, I don't, but let me take a wild guess. And it just kind of came back. I feel like I just saw like the all the synapses in your brain like really go into overdrive to find it. Yeah. Yep. The file folder. Yeah. Found it real quick.

And yeah. So I do remember it's the Egyptian theater, but it's not the Idaho one. It's the other one. Oh, God. Okay. But I forget where that is. Iowa. Illinois.

Wow. Fuck! Fuck! I'll see myself out. I'm... Why don't you just do the notes at this point? Like, you really just killed it. You just...

Every single... Oh. Okay. Well, whatever. Thank you so much. Listen, what can I say? There's no rhyme or reason for any of it. Well, you're right.

This is the Egyptian theater, but this one is not in Boise, Idaho. This is in DeKalb, Illinois. Okay. I feel like I've heard that. I've... I think I've... Nope. I don't know.

I know it's near Chicago. Okay. Sure. So once you hear the word Chicago, all the other ones feel smaller because Chicago's sort of feel like just a suburb. Yeah. So, and remember, the reason that this even came to be this story was because I thought I was covering one Egyptian theater.

And then the information kept sounding just a little off. And so I kept going, what the fuck is going on? And then I ended up finding out I was covering two topics by accent at once. And I told you that that information, when I say it was just a little off, everything was only off by like one or two years. The same reasonings for things, the same chronology was like all of it just was a little too close that it took me a while to realize. Oh, maybe not the same place.

So I will try to rush through the history of this because I already did it last week, basically. Right. But this theater was open in 1929 versus 1927 at the other one. And this is also on the National Registry of Historic Places, which appears. It happened in the 70s, just like the last place. And again, this was designed with an Egyptian theme after the United States' Egyptian craze in the 20s when King Tut's tomb was discovered. At one point, I mentioned this last time, but at one point there was around like 100 Egyptian theaters.

And in my mind, I would think, just make this a franchise at this point. Yeah, it's just crazy. Because you would think, oh, these are all clearly one of the same thing, but they were all different and everyone just thought they had the original idea. I mean, I guess back then you don't have like fucking go daddy to check if the domain is taken. So like they're already kind of like Egyptian theater, but nobody knows that there's a hundred. I'd be tripping if I worked on an Egyptian theater and then traveled somewhere and saw another Egyptian theater. And I'd be like, did we ever approve this? Uh-oh.

Like same pillars or columns and like same decor. I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. So apparently they were all just individual theaters, just all the same idea. And now there's only seven left in the country. There's L.A., Boise, this one. And then there's one in Colorado, one in Oregon, two in Utah. Okay.

Fun fact. So the cost for the total design of this place was a quarter million dollars, which today is about $5 million. Jesus, yeah. And the original plan, which the other one did not have, the original plan was that this was going to be kind of the beginning of a mega complex in the 20s where like a hotel was going to be attached to it, restaurants were going to be attached to it. It was just going to be one of multiple.

A margaritaville and resort, if you will. Yes. I think, yeah, you get it. I do. Why do I even, I can't believe I was going to give you an example. That's so embarrassing. Diculous. So it was going to be essentially a bit of a resort kind of thing.

But then the stock market crashed. Whoops, it, Daisy. And the whole plan was canceled. But this theater was allowed to finish its building because it was literally in the middle of being built when the stock market crashed. And they're spending $5 million on it. It's like, fuck. You kind of sunk coffee. here like what are you going to do you got to keep going I guess exactly it's like well let's

let's see what happens you do yeah so um yeah so the the soccer market crashed and they were like well let's just keep building I guess it was originally supposed to be although it was a theater you would think movie theater it was supposed to be both vaudeville and a movie theater okay okay um and not just both bodville and movies but in the movie realm it was going to be both silent and the talkies ooh not the Talkies. Which was the first theater that was going to be doing that around here. Oh, exciting.

Exciting. Big deal. Not just motion picture, but motion and sound pictures. Love that. And another fun fact for you, the opening day admission was a quarter or 50 cents based on if you were an adult or child. Oh, okay. It was like based on what exactly?

Okay. Fair enough. That's fair. That's fair. But yeah, 50 cents for a movie. Incredible. Yeah. Wow.

that being said within a couple years like literally two years they realized that the vaudeville thing wasn't working and i mean once you've got the talkies you're really pushing like vaudeville is just old old no one wants that anymore they want the to these little kids especially those kids aren't coming for vaudeville anymore not with the talkies no they even tried for a second to make it where like vaudeville would be the act in between the movies while they were like putting in the new real and then that way so embarrassing yeah but it's like oh so now you're just like the jester on stage you're like in between bits. And you're like, it's like awkward. You're like the vamp guy. You know, you're like, yeah, you're like, oh, I'm vamping. Um, yeah. And like everyone's like, when's the movie start?

Oh, that sucks. Yeah. Yes. Exactly right. And I feel like it was probably, maybe they were really excited that like, nobody does vaudeville anymore. This is my big break to bring it back. And they were like, oh, we're going to actually stop this.

Like, I'll finally prove it. Yeah. Well, so it went straight to just begin a movie theater. Cool. The first movie was a horse racing. comedy. I would say the name, but apparently it is a now racist term. No.

Yep. But it was a horse racing comedy where I guess the, it's hard to understand what the movie was about, but it sounds like it was some guy who happened to share the same name as a famous jockey. But this guy doesn't like horses. He's horrified of horses. And he ends up rescuing someone who's like on a horse by accident. Mm-hmm.

And because of his name, which is the name of like a famous jockey. jockey in the area. They thought he was the jockey and he was like, I think, trying to impress a girl. And so he pretended to be the jockey. And then he ended up being, like, signing up to impress her for like a horse competition. And then like, every Disney channel original movie. Literally, because I'm assuming that the real jockey was also there being like, what the hell are you doing here signing up for me, you know? Oh, my word. Oh, my word. It sounds hilarious. What can I say? I do say I can't tell you everything about this movie. I'm like really guessing a lot of plot because it is lost footage. Oh. So all we have is like the description of what it was.

Do you know what's so weird is that I have a whole bit, not a bit, but like a segment on my story today about lost footage? Fun. Weird. Love that. Mm-hmm. One thing that was not lost was the movie poster. And let me tell you the tagline.

The gasps of an earthquake, the yells of a mirthquake. it just sounds like something hopefully someone says about us i don't know not mirthquake uh there's also on i mdb two fake reviews about this movie cool which i did think in the to and it is an homage to issue sandy i thought i would read the reviews to you but yay but the reviews were not actually that good like in like not like not fun yeah which i'm sure you've run into all the time so the two reviews seemed to be like one was more informational about like anything we can find on this movie. Great. The other one was funny in that it rated the movie a five out of ten having obviously never seen it.

Right. Because the movie was lost a hundred years ago. So anyone who was alive to see it certainly isn't operating IMDB. So it's definitely fake. You don't know that. It could be a very tech savvy 104 year old who saw it as a toddler. You were totally right. I remember it to this very day like it was yesterday.

He's like, I got to get on that IMDB and talk about this movie. What if he just ended up bitching about the vaudeville act in the middle? Like, if they got rid of that fucking vaudeville, I would have been able to enjoy the movie. It's like, all he did was juggle. The cane took forever to get out and yank him away. So embarrassing. Like, get rid of this guy. So, yeah, fun fact, but somewhere between the 40s and 50s, the film was destroyed because it was like contaminated.

but then, like, do you know in that moment, like, this is the only copy? Forever. Do you care? Do you care? Like, all that money? Like, Warner Brothers themselves destroyed it. Wow. It's just, why did they just, what do you mean it was?

What was wrong with it? I guess the film negatives were deteriorating. Oh, so it's just like busted. It's not like. It's not like they were just like, fuck this movie. Oh, wow. That's just pretty wild. But you would think they, wouldn't they have had a second real?

No, so what they did apparently, because at least for my story today, what I talk about is television shows, but they used to just tape over them or throw them out. Like once the footage got deteriorated enough, they would just toss it and they would just like record over things. So you would never get like a hard copy of anything until you were able to record them at home because the net, the studios would just like re-tape over them, which is why so much, I don't know about movies, but for TV shows, a lot of shows are lost because they would just tape over them. So there was just no ability to make a second copy? They just didn't you they just didn't. That's so weird to me that that wasn't anybody's first fucking five. I think it's like they just thought like,

oh, this is kind of like temporary media sort of like nobody thought to save it. I know, true. Especially like putting all that money into it. Like you don't want this to be. It's just so bizarre. I guess like once you lose the original and your copies deteriorating, what are you going to do? I don't know. Well, one of the, I guess, solutions was a fun fact about this movie, which the only reason I brought it up is because it's the first movie that played in this theater and I thought it would be some nice banter. But fun fact, I guess they could tell the negatives were deteriorating. I'm guessing on that. But before it ever became lost footage or before they ever decided to throw it away, in 1938, they remade the movie. Oh.

But under a completely different name with completely different cast and completely different characters. names. Was it like shot for shot or was just like totally different movie? I think it was a different movie because even like the character's names are totally different. So they basically were like, fuck this movie. I know you said they weren't like that. But like in some ways they were kind of like like, fuck this movie. We'll just redo it. I wonder if they were like, I always wanted it to end differently. And then they just decided to redo it. But they also, they cast bigger people. Like they had like Louis Armstrong and like Ronald Reagan when he was an actor in it. Oh my word. This new version. So anyway, if you want to watch the remake, it's called Going

places from 1938. Okay. As I mentioned earlier, the theater was opening, was in the middle of construction as the stock market crash. So there were a lot of budgetary cuts. I need everybody to hear this because the gasp that came out of me was just gobsmacked. So for one, to cut out of their budget, they had the ceilings lowered so it wasn't taller and more grand.

Lower the ceilings. We don't have enough drywall to keep going. Like just duck it's fine we'll duck They'll duck No balcony for us just Yeah they're gonna be sitting anyway who cares Crawl to your seat There was there was um

They originally planned to have like these really fancy I think it was like marble floors But then they couldn't afford the marble And so they literally went to other construction sites around the area And collected the scrap tile And then like had to mosaic it all together on the floor Oh my God Which it ends up actually looking very beautiful now

like imagine thinking, oh, I'm just going to throw one slab of fucking marble on the ground and call it a day. That's literally out of one of those shows. And now it's like actually do a puzzle. Yeah, but that's what out of one of those fucking whack TV shows from the 90s or early 2000s where they're like, Sandra took tissue paper and made this lamp out of it. Yeah. Because one time 10 year old Tanya did a school project about lamps. And now her room is called the lamp room.

And we've made it all out of tissue paper. And it would probably set fire the moment I leave. I know exactly what you're talking about. Right. Like that show, a talking sense or something sense with C, E.N. Yes. Yes.

It's like so. Making sense? To what. Maybe. Maybe talking sense was it. But I know exactly what you're talking about where it was like, everything was unnecessary. And you're just like, are you just like, it's like stapling curtains to the wall.

Like, it's like how I behave. And I'm like, who paid for these people to go into other people's homes and behave this and like behave this way? You know what? I hope you write a letter to them and go, how do you behave this way? How do you? Who let you do this?

Because I'd like to do this and I don't, I haven't been given this kind of budget or go ahead. Yeah. Who greenlit this and can I take over? Thanks. So the other, the thing that really floored me and only for personal reasons was that the other big cut that they did was they got rid of the AC.

Oh my God. Like just fucking bulldoze the building. I mean, they've got those tile floors. if you're already crawling, you could just kind of put your face down. Rub your belly on the cold mosaic tile. No, they, but first of all, AC in 1929, that blows me away. Didn't know that was even an option.

Good one. But now I, I'm finding out, here's a thing that really made me guffaw, is that I want you to tell me, because the theater still stands, it's still a theater. I want you to guess what year AC was finally put in after being cut in 19. 29. 20, 1888, 2000. I don't know.

Like six years ago. I'm not kidding. Six years ago. I was like, are you telling me in 2019 that people were volunteering to be here? And there was no AC. I mean, I feel like that's not that weird, is it? I promise you in my brain, it's the weirdest thing one could do. Okay.

I guess that's fair. I mean, Chicago is notoriously pretty fucking cold. That's true. imagine being it's the summer you're there. No, not packed in a theater. They do concerts there. You got to read one star reviews from pre-2020 to see like what the deal was. Like if it was hellish or if it was like manageable somehow.

I wonder if the shows were just so worth it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Remember that one time we had a live show and the AC went out? Sort of. The LA show were like we were already super delayed. But like it was like. Oh, everything.

was going wrong. Oh my God. It was like, that was also the bathroom situation was at that theater. By the way, someday, we got to have tales from the road because there is so much shit. I think my Mercury and Taurus is really like finally reaching a point where I'm like, oh, I can just say shit out loud. So I'm like, let us just tell you someday we got to tell you about that fuck ass day. And the time that we almost, there was a rat, we didn't get a bathroom. Oh, yeah. Well, that was another.

Yep, that was crazy. Fuck, that was terrible. And it wasn't, the show was great, but the, oh, and then remember, I don't know if you remember this, because it was, it was a rough day. I, on my way out, tripped over, like, a metal thing. And I was holding a bunch of stuff. And I face planted and, like, my whole bucking base. And I was in front of the Uber.

And I remember so vividly, it was such a bad, like, fall and smack that somebody else got out of their car and ran over. And I thought it was my Uber driver. And he was like, no, I just parked my car in the middle of the road. I got to be honest, I didn't see that. You guys left before me. Nobody saw it except for the entire downtown Los Angeles area. And then I wiped out face first.

And then I just started to cry because I was like, this would happen. And I was like smiling and crying and laughing like a buffoon. And then my Uber driver came and I realized he was pretending like he didn't see me fall. Because like he like looked away. And I was like, oh my God, this is the most miserable. And then next morning we got into that train to San Diego. That was bad. I never forget.

That, I remember, there was something about, well, they can get into that. I was good. Hey, we could do a yappy hour about all our bitching. Does anyone want to pay for extra bitching? Yappy hour details. I remember specifically, but the AC, didn't they say like the only way we could, like, it was like something. The AC broke the night before.

We had to reschedule. We had to reschedule because they were also saying like the only way it's, it could happen. And weren't they trying to say something like, oh, well, we could have the show if we could fix it today and you help us pay out a pocket or something. And it was like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, you can do the show. It'll be 118 degrees inside.

And we were like. Yeah. And I was like, and kill everyone. Okay. Crazy. Yeah. Sure. No.

Anyway, I imagine that's what this theater felt like, even though it was not Los Angeles post a climate hell. But whatever. Whatever. This theater had no AC until 2019. So it was hot at least once in there. I didn't even have a marble floor, okay? It didn't have any of the essentials. The only reason this theater ended up doing well, by the way,

I already mentioned this earlier, but because it was the Great Depression, nobody could afford to go to the movie theaters. And if they did, they wanted, like, a Class A experience. And so because this was the only place that had the talkies, it was like the only theater that survived in the area, I think, from during the Depression. Wow.

Even so, the theater eventually, of course, got into bad shape, was already without AC. I'll tell you that. It was going to close down, but then the town rallied together like it's Stars Hollow and it eventually was able to get renovated. Similar to the last case I did, case theater I did. It was right around the same time too where the whole town got together and renovated it. Hallmark style. Before I get into the ghosts, I will tell you some fun facts.

This is still the town's biggest movie screen. Oh, that's pretty, that's pretty impressive. It's also the town's biggest auditorium. Okay. It is, oh, just like how AC didn't exist until 2019. I've talked about that enough. The original chairs from 1929 were also there up until very recently. And they only recently replaced them except for one, which I'll talk about in a second.

And it's still in use. They do all sorts of events there to do proms and graduations and weddings and history tours and all this stuff. So, and actually for a while, it had a haunted house attraction during Halloween. But then that went away. I'm not totally sure why. And then I don't know if they still do this, but I thought this was so cute. During Christmas, they would often play, it's a wonderful life. And at the end, have snowfall from the ceiling.

That's cute. It's just asbestos from the old ceiling tiles. It's actually because there was no AC. They needed something cold to drench on you. Just dumped frozen water. Please let it snow in here. It's a thousand degrees. It's nice.

So, okay, now on to the ghost. It's most popular for their ghost tours of the investigations that they let people do. They're known today. Do you think they ever had a clue when they were building this place and they're like, oh, it's most successful purpose in 100 years is going to be fucking. All of us dead. Yeah. With you guys dead inside of it.

Oh, my God. I do wonder. I did see like a post online recently, though. It's like, how come there aren't, they don't make houses anymore that are worth haunting? Like, they don't look glamorous enough. I mean, truly. And part of me is like maybe that's why so many theaters and old places are haunted. It's because they were so beautiful.

Why would you want to leave? It's like glamorous. Hell yeah. Now if like I just had like a farmhouse style bungalow like the one I live in now. I'd be like I'm not haunting this fucking thing. That's just not happening. Well. Yeah.

And it's like if I've got this big white dress. If I'm a lady in white. What am I going to do? Haunt like the suburbs? No. I mean maybe for fun every now and then just to. scare the kiddos, but like, I belong on a grand staircase. And you know what? Keep that energy. That's exactly right. Thank you. Thank you so much. Uh, it's known as one of the most haunted theaters

in all of Illinois. There are several ghosts here. Many sources before I traveled on over to YouTube, many sources said that there are six very popular ghosts here. And then when I went to YouTube and I saw, I watched like a bunch of people do investigations. Every single one of them said there's only two main ghosts here. So, oh, I don't know if I did my notes wrong again. I don't know. No, maybe it's that thing again where it's like they get mixed up and stories crossover. I feel like there are six ghosts there, but two of them really steal the show, no pun intended. Okay, so it's sort of like these are the two main characters. Yeah, okay. One of them is named Irv Comerfeld. Yes, well, no wonder he's a main character. Of course.

Irv and his wife Barbara are from the 1980s. They were a power couple here at the time. The wife was like some fancy director. She was a suit of the theater. Wow. And he also, he was always there. He loved volunteering there. And together they started the nonprofit that actually restored the theater eventually.

So they're like patrons of the theater. Patrons of the theater. Yes. They're part of like the Silver Society or whatever they'd call themselves. Very chic. The mad hatters. No, red hats. Madhatters.

Never mind. So one night after a show, fun fact, it was West Side Story in case he care. I do. One night after a show, Irv was in his seat, his favorite seat there, and he got up,

walked into the aisle, had a massive heart attack as people were clearing out of the show. Oh, shit. And he died where he'd been watching the show. And so now people... Oh, yeah, he's going to haunt it. So people see him constantly walking up and down the aisle right where he passed.

I wonder in that case because it's such a direct link, like we know he died there. I wonder if that is residual of that day or do you think that's like it's residual of just his entire energy in the place? Does that make sense? It does. And I kind of have an answer for you because I don't know if that one specifically is like from the day he died or because he was constantly at every show walking up. down the aisles. Right. But one thing that seems to be a more generally residual of his is that after he passed, people see a lot of shadow figures standing in the doorway at the back of the theater. And on his shifts when he was volunteering there, he would regularly try to sneak in and look through

the door to watch a show. So that feels more like the general one. And the aisle is maybe of the day he died. I mean, it's kind of amazing to think, because we never really think about that, that a ghost could have like multiple ways of expressing itself in one place like a residual haunting but then also or I guess they're both residual but then like yeah doing different things I don't know it's kind of cool makes sense I guess or for all we know both of them like I'm not this or it's the same right true they could be both intelligent they could be from different timelines in which case like oh my god ghosts can haunt themselves while haunting themselves or well I think you already know that you already know that I know was like my time travel theories and your time travel interest

Like you already know that's the thing. But thank you. The fact that I'm already haunting myself is crazy. Every time. But it's like such not a surprise to any of us. Like literally if I trip and I feel someone catch me, I know that was me going, bitch, get up. And you know who else? It was you who tripped you too, probably.

You know what? Just for the attention. I could see that. Yeah. It's like you doing a three person like stew jack, but it's just like you and your future It's just me, my past self and my future ghost. And then like I future me comes along with the vaudeville hook. It just gets all three of you out of that.

I think you just drag an organ out and go, dun dun dun dun or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's do a little Nickelodeon action. So, um, this, he is the one who has his, the special seat where all but one have been replaced since 1929.

His seat that he used to sit in is the 1929 seat. That's pretty special. And I don't know if it's like, because he died there or if it's just like that was his favorite seat and he was a good guy and a patriot. I feel like that happens like at theaters when someone has been like involved for so long and they pass, not necessarily next to the scene.

That's just a double whammy. I feel like they were like, okay, we got a gold plate this shit. Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I feel like theaters do that, right? Like even if it's not, it happens in-house. He has also, I only saw this on one source, and I didn't hear about it anywhere else, but I thought it was interesting, that he apparently had a desk when he worked here. And after his death, there seemed to be a lot of energy around the desk.

Ooh. people would still find like cigarette butts on the desk and they would find like things in the desk had been moved around and stuff and then when they moved the desk down to the basement I guess all that activity either ended up started happening it started happening in the basement something like that he's like why the fuck did you move me my office downstairs yeah it's like now I'm in the like boiler room what the hell is thanks a lot sometimes people also smell smoke and they assume that's attributed to like the cigarette butts but some um um some um um some Other people argued, like, this was before things were smoking free. Like, the theater probably just reeked of cigarettes at one point. True. Yeah. Probably everyone is smoking. Yeah.

So it probably has nothing to do with like him specifically. And it's just, well, that's what the theater is. The era. Yeah. Okay. So he is one of the main characters. The other main character that everyone talks about is the lady in. Guess a color.

It's not red finally or white. Is it, is it, uh, aquamarine? Can you imagine? Can you imagine? The lady in lavender. No, it's a... Oh, she's such a... I mean, she needs so much attention.

She's in green. This one's in green. Okay, okay. Well, you know, she could have been aquamarine, but she chose a simpler. I appreciate that. You know, we have yet to meet a lady in yellow or a lady in orange. I feel like those are the only two left. What about pink?

Are we done that? Pink purple? Have we done a lady in purple? F... Maybe not. Brown? Red, white, gold? I feel like we've found the lady in gray, lady in black, lady and white.

lady in white, lady in blue, lady in red. Now lady and green. And you know, the beautiful thing is we've got so much ahead of us, Pocodots, uh, gingham, you know. A lady in flannel. Now that's the one I want to me for obvious reasons. Okay. A lady and mu mu mu.

I already have one of those in my farmhouse bungalow. I know. That's Allison. So Lady and Green, she has no name and people have even asked, what's your name? And she just won't tell you. But she's apparently very happy. She's seen in a long green dress. She's seen in the balcony of the theater.

later, a lot of, especially, like, workers in the morning when they go and do like checks on the building, they'll see her just sitting there in the audience and they think like she is early for a matinee or something. And imagine though, like seeing someone in a dress to like a beautiful green dress. It's like, what are you doing here at 8 in the morning or whatever time the workers show up? And as someone who is often a non-fancy patron of the theater. Yeah. the way that attire has changed over the years,

like the way, like people wear like ath leisure to the theater. That's crazy. And like for a matinee or eight in the morning, especially like you wouldn't see somebody typically in like a gown, you know. No, but like she dresses like you do at the theater. And so, sure.

That would really blow me away. If I saw someone dressed like you and me sitting in the theater, sadly in 2026, that would be less shocking. I'm sure someone in vaudeville would be like, what the fuck are you wearing? Yeah, I mean, I'm literally wearing like underwear as pants right now. So I think that like they would be pretty understandably upset.

Yeah. But shockingly, that would be less for me to swallow. I'd be like, oh, someone's just sitting and observing me working. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or they got in here somehow. Yeah. Yeah. But so anyway, they think someone either snuck in or is confused about showtimes.

She seems to be very chatty. She's very often intelligently responding to people's requests when they go on investigations. Except not her name. Except her name. She keeps some things to herself. I like it. I like it. Performers, I've even seen her during rehearsals and shows.

They see someone watching who like stands out because she is dressed for Broadway, which is crazy. Yeah. I keep saying Broadway, just theater. Sorry. It's Chicago Broadway. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also people also see her smoking one of those very long Cruelitaville cigarettes. Which like she's so out of place, but yet she's in her world, she's so in place.

But she's like in her element. Like, wow, that is just stunning. Everyone else probably looks so off to her. In fact, there is. But I love that she just doesn't even mind. There's one story later that I tell you, I'll just say it now, that there's one ghost there. I wonder if it's Irv, but there's a guy who is dressed old-timey and he's leaning against one of the columns and he just looks at the stage watching you, especially if you're investigating. people have said that they see a man watching them while they're missing.

And they've found out through spirit box sessions or EVP sessions or whatever it is that he is very curious about people's clothing. And part of me is like because they're from another time or because they are just so embarrassing in a theater dressed like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it like because like what is wrong with you people or is it like, oh, you look like a futuristic robot? Yeah. I mean, you know back in like when people were for the first time on commercial. airplanes and they would dress like their Sunday's best. Imagine you just showed up and like your gym shorts and a hoodie like we all do now. They would be fucking disgusted. But the less.

And like you and like your whole duvet, you know, some people bring like an entire duvet and like six squish mellows and you're like, did you. And they're barefoot. Yeah. And they're barefoot. Yeah. And they'd probably, but you're right. Like it's like you look like a different being entirely. Yes. And you look like a little bit. Okay. Wow. Wow. A little extra. like okay I'm very clearly have different cultural interests yeah we yeah cultural interests a nice yeah sure um yeah so she's very friendly and and is like I think she kind of I like to think she loves the bit of being a ghost because there have been times I saw it in YouTube videos last night that as soon as you the the guide will bring them up to where people see her and he starts

talking about her the lights only in her section turn off by themselves uh she's like and what Dolling. Showtime. Yeah. There's just, oh my God, I love her. So those are the two main ones, but these are the others that people on other sources said that there's. The ensemble cast. Well done.

Yeah, absolutely. That's what, why didn't I just fucking say that? Okay. God, sometimes you just have the words. I'm channeling you. Thank you. Yeah. There's apparently a little girl that haunts the theater, but it's because her family used to actually live on the property before it was a theater.

Oh, so she must be confused. She must be so, she's like, where is the couch? And also like, where is my marble floor I was promised? And where is my mom? Oh, God. And where? And where? Where are my shoes?

Where are my clothes? Where am I? Where's the potty? Where am I? Oh, my God. People have said that they've seen this little girl singing and playing in the lobby. And, but they only see her during the summer because I guess when they lived the property it was a summer house so people only see her when she would have been there there's also

apparently the ghost of a little boy i don't know if he has anything to do with the little girl i love that people can still summer in the afterlife yeah like what she's summering in the after like she gets to go to her summer home what the fuck was that sound um probably like somebody souped up vehicle because they have a huge penis that was crazy that from the other side of the country i heard their tiny penis drive by. I didn't think you'd be able to hear that, but it must have been like at the exact right register. Sorry about that.

No, but that's a great point that you can summer even in the afterlife. But it feels like some people can't, doesn't it? Like, it feels like sometimes people are just stuck somewhere or residual or whatever, but then like you hear about this and it's like, oh, she's only there sometimes because it's her summer home. And I'm like, what? And where the fuck does she go? Where exactly?

Yeah. I wonder if there's what the privilege hierarchy is in ghost world because if some people are stuck but someone else gets to travel it's like that has to be a ghost that you don't care for because you're a little butt hurt about it right but who's deciding that i don't know i don't know the politics i don't uh someday we will yeah and yet we won't be able to tell anyone we'll find a so annoying yeah they'll see they'll all see so uh there's a little boy there I don't think he has any relation to the little girl, but I hope that they see each other in play.

I do too. He's been seen wandering the theater. He was first seen. This is so creepy. When the building was doing Halloween jump scare attractions, and people thought he was a lost kid and were wondering where his parents were. Oh, God.

And then the real scare is that he was never there, babe. That's like the world's best haunted house, though. Truly. And you pay all of these teenagers to do some spooky scary work when like the main character was like, I'll do it for free. Yeah, sure. Like step aside. He's apparently often seen in the costuming dressing room area. And so they wonder if he was ever a vaudeville actor here.

Aw. The fifth ghost here is there's a janitor and blue coveralls. A lot of people see on the stage sweeping. And I guess he's become known as Charlie. Okay. There's also a lot of blue. orbs that float around in the theater. And so maybe that's Charlie, I'm not sure.

And then the sixth one is certainly the most horrifying and somehow neglected a lot in the YouTube's that I watched. The YouTube's on my fucking mom. But in one of the bathrooms downstairs, there is this haunting female spirit who actively tries to keep people away, like is wants you to be scared of her. People see if they feel someone glaring at her. I actually saw this one investigation where they were like, we were just trying to be girls, girls. We were going to go hang out with her and be like, it's not that bad, babe. It's fine. Because apparently

it's a woman and it's always happening in the woman's bathroom. And they're like, let's just moaning Myrtle. Yeah. And they were like, let's just go hang out with her and show her like, it ain't that bad. But as soon as they got to the stairs where they would have gone down to the bathroom, they felt something so hateful that they were like, okay, no, did, we won't go. Oh my God. To go from the energy of let's go, like, early pop. swap lip gloss in the bathroom to like, okay, the dread is physically blocking me from walking further. Yeah, there's probably something that doesn't want you down there. Well, apparently people who have gone down there anyway, they have experienced the bathroom stalls. The doors will slam, slam shut. And then if you even try to close one of them,

there is a pounding on the stalls and you hear a woman scream crying. Oh, God. She is like, she wants you out of there. is like moaning Myrtle. I mean, really. Well, some mediums have said that, I mean, she's clearly going through it. But the mediums have said like she feels like a poison to society. Whoa. What the fuck? Like she's, she hates herself and she's trying to scare you off so that you're nowhere near her. It's almost like she's trying to like save you from herself. Right. So she's like self-sathe. Okay, this is a very psychoanalytical interpretation of a ghost. But you were about to say self-sabotage. That's exactly right. where it's like you could have friends in the afterlife if you're not so damn scary.

You could borrow my lip gloss. Yes. Like we were trying to help you. But maybe she doesn't, you know, she's got to help herself. Man. You said it. Period. And that's on period.

Oh, God. Okay. So I'm just going to give you a quick rundown of some of the other things that ghosts do. I know I'm going over to him. So. No, go. Please go. I want to hear the ghosts.

Many shadowy. figures darting around. Many apparitions of people watching the shows. People have straight of just seen a man standing on the stage that they think is there. Not Charlie, a different man. Oh, okay. There's one apparition that, uh, has talked to investigators saying that he's curious about their clothing. This was a show, I guess the host is named Sarah, because it's called Sarah Normal. I think that's hysterical. Ah, I love that. And they responded by saying like, oh, our clothing, it's because we're from 2025. And then their phones died as if like, their exact words were like he clearly crashed out that it was 2025. He was going to say that you fucking lost it.

Yeah. Yeah. He was like, well, I can't stand this. That's enough of that. Um, there's footsteps, faint voices, sounds of applause, feeling touch, door slam right next to you. There was one video I watched where literally as they're walking by, like the door just slams. Like, it's just. And, and then the, tour guide was like, yep, there they go. Like, oh, that shouldn't be normal. Don't normalize door slamming on their own. I like the normalization of like them being mysterious about it where a door slams in a room that you're not in. But they clearly don't give a fuck. They were like, here's the door. Bam. When it slams right in your face and you're like, yep, another day at work. It's like, I don't think so. And maybe they were being mischievous, but without context, it just feels

threatening. Like, it's not. Yeah. You know, read the room. Yeah. Please. You know I'm going to be scared now. Yeah, quit fucking around. Objects move. There are clear photos of like misty. bodies sitting in seats, motion activation equipment trips up, batteries and cameras die. And then if you like mention it, then more batteries and cameras die. On stage, people hear, this is a common one. People will hear crinkling paper around them, like what the fuck am I hearing? And then when I think back on it, it sounds like a script was being flipped through. And right when they-

And right when they give up trying to find the sound, bam, right next to them, they'll hear whatever it was, maybe the script or a book, getting thrown onto the ground right next to them. And Jesus. I should have kept the clip ready to show you, but someone did get it on camera where they're like, do you hear that? Do you hear that? And it's clearly like rustling papers. Oh my God. And then at the very end, you just hear like, bam.

And it like slams right on the ground next door as if he's like, what do you mean my scene got cut? Bam! Or something like that. I feel he's not off book yet. Not off book. He's not off book and he's got to fucking get off book. One of the most common things that people experience here are the most success investigators get is through SpiritBox sessions. These ghosts love a Spirit Box.

I love ghosts who love a Spirit Box. I love the Chattie's. So I wonder why. Here is a collection of multiple, I just put them all in bullets. So these are from multiple investigations. But when talking to the Lady in Green, they said, were you a singer? The Spirit Box says, singer. and then everyone went oh my god it said singer and then the spirit box went that's right yeah it's like

well yeah it did because you asked another one when people try to approach that bathroom where like there's like that mean ghost the spirit box will say stop here oh geez yeah i will i will uh the rem pod which as you know it has like different lights on the top of it in different colors they were using a rem pod and they asked if the ghost could change the Rompods colors. And the spirit box said four, which there are four colors on top. I know. So they said,

the investigators went, yeah, there are four colors. And the spirit box said, the dots, right? As a full sentence, the dots, right?

That's super cool. Oh, that one freaks me out. That one actually just now gave me. The dots, right? Oh my God, it's like, we're having a little chat.

It's so creepy. Creepy. Then they were talking to Irv and they said, do we feel you go up and down aisle one? And the spirit box said, Yes, it's me. Then they said, what's your wife's name? And the spirit box said, Barb. Whoa. And they said, thanks, Irv, for talking to us. And the spirit box said, thanks. Holy shit. He is, like, active. Yeah. He's there. Another time they were saying, are you the one making this machine light up? And the spirit box said, probably yes. Then they said, did I see you walking around just now? And the spirit box said, maybe.

It's like, I don't fucking know. Did you see me? I don't know. Everyone hears this sound. And then they said, are you moving chairs? because I guess the chairs nearby and they thought they heard it shift. They said, are you moving the chairs? And the spirit box says, it was me. Ooh. They said, do you want to keep talking to us? And the spirit box said, no. Okay.

That's a dangerous question. They're about to, investigators are about to head out and they say, we'll leave now. But then they get a voice saying wait. And when they ask who's on the stairs, they get a voice that says Freddie. And they, it's a clear Freddie. It's like this. It's like, Freddie. Oh.

Oh. Is Freddie someone we know or no? No, just the name. And I mean, think of how many people have been in and out of that theater, either working there or visiting and... Yeah, someone's just going to the bathroom real quick and then some futuristic person's like, what's your name, Freddie? Well, there was, they go into the dressing room that has all these vanity mirrors and they say, they're talking about, oh, mirrors are supposed to be a portal for spirits. And the spirit box said, that's right. But, ah!

Oh, no, confirmed. That freaks me out. Breaking news. I mean, we all knew it. The witches were right, everybody. Of course they were. That's distressing. One time they asked how many of you are here.

The Spirit Box said a lot. Are you right by me? The Spirit Box said, indeed. What are you doing here? The Spirit Box said fate. Oh, that's heavy. One thing I thought was also cool, also involving the REM pods, is, as you know, I just had colorful lights everywhere.

They had it on, and the Spirit Box immediately said, game. ready as if like oh my god we're going to play a game i'm ready oh my god because it looks like an arcade game like it's it looks like you're about to play it's it's like the one where you have to land on the yes colorama that's right but so they said oh you think it's a game maybe because of the lights and then the rum pod goes off like they went to go like point at the lights and be like this is why i think it's a game you idiot another time the spirit box said um grab when they said what are you going to grab then the REM pod went off as if like someone grabbed the REM pod.

Oh. And then can you give us a sign? The Spirit Box said cannot. I mean, there's so many. So I'm just going to end on the creepiest thing that happened, which is there was one team that was there and they were all standing on the stage and they had a camera on a tripod

facing the stage in case anything happened that night. Nothing ever happened except when any of them, especially this one guy on the team, was on the stage. The tripod and camera, would move itself the whole time they were on stage. And if they ever left, the tripod would stand still. And it wasn't like it was on the stage or they were accidentally knocking it by stepping

around and everything. It was like on the other side of the theater. And it was like something was trying to like adjust the frame to get them in the shot. And then they left and the camera stayed still for the rest of the night. They went back and were on stage for like 15 minutes cleaning up their equipment and the whole time the camera was shaking by itself. Very strange, very strange. I wonder if that was like an old theater tech being like, okay, let me get the shot right. Well, you're not doing a very good job if you're shaking it around the whole time. For 15 minutes. I feel like it's that child. Oh, yeah, just playing

with the equipment. I mean, that's what I would do as a child. Yeah, it's like, I can see you on this thing. Unattended video camera. Yeah. Anyway, okay, that is the Egyptian theater. That was awesome. I really liked I mean, I like both of them, but this one, I don't know. I really, that one, there's so many characters in this one, you know, like, Irv and all this. Jeez. I feel like this one feels like the energy, even with the lady in the basement. Like, I think I'd rather spend the night at this place than the other one. Yeah, I agree. I don't know. I barely remember the last episode, but I feel like the vibes here are better. I feel the same way. Like I, good, good. And yeah, as long as I avoid that one bathroom. It seems like everyone else is like pretty jazz to just talk. I feel like what I would do

with the bathroom is just not even being facetious. I'm serious. I would probably like if we were investigating, I'd probably just like toss a tampon down, toss some chocolate. I don't know. A line. Go, what are you on the rag? Is that what you're? I mean, no, I know it sounds like that. But like I know what you mean? I would be like what can I offer you that doesn't involve human interaction. Right. Like here's a candy bar babe, like or something. Yeah. Or do you want like me to move you to the light? I don't know. Like what's going on here? Because. I'm about to get all intellectual on psychoanalyze you ghost. Of course.

I'm about to. Otherwise, like, just tell me, tell me you have cramps and I can get you a my idol. I don't know. You know what I would do. First of all, I agree. I would absolutely be, and, like, what does that say about us, the people pleasers that, like, I'd be gifting her anything to not be mad at me?

Well, I'm just, like, concerned, really. I'm sort of, like, I don't even want evidence from you. I just kind of want to make sure, like, you're not in, like, hell and can't escape, and I'm supposed to like help you out with, I don't know, this token. That's a lot nicer than I would still be trying to get evidence. But I think I would do it the way. I mean, if I get evidence, that's great, right? But like also I'm a little scared and I'd rather she just kind of make her way to the,

to the afterlife if that's her plan. If I were to get evidence, though, I still would not go down there. I think I would do the Zach Began's move of like putting a microphone on a huge boom pole and just slowly weaving it down there and to be like, if you want to say anything. thought you were going to say do the thing Zach Bays does and send you or or Eva down there. And I was like, thanks a lot. Like, oh, or like a camera on a stick and just like kind of fish it over and just be like, you and I would literally tie a GoPro onto a tampon and like roll it down there and be like, anything. We're not trying to bother you. We just want to help. But also like, will you do us

a solid and say hi? Yeah, that's where we'd land, I think. I understand. I would, I'm glad that we would both at least do something, even if it's not ethical. I think we'd have to interact with there. I'd be like, what is the deal? Yeah. What's the deal? Let me your ears, babe. Spend me, spend me, spin me a tail. Spin me a tail. Oh, that one needs to come back to. Yeah, yeah, I need to learn how to say it first, but then we can definitely bring it back. Sure. Just like how before my story, Christine had an announcement. I also have an announcement. Is it okay that I put it here? Please, that's perfect. That's actually way better, I think. So, uh, we had a listener reach out named Sydney, who has a best friend Mally.

I think that's how it's pronounced, Mally. It is Malley. Mallee's also been a listener for a long time, but recently got some news that her kidneys are failing and she needs a transplant. And because of her blood type, doctors told her that it could take like six to eight years to receive a kidney through the standard weight list.

It was just devastating. So Cindy reached out and was saying that Mally's best chance is finding a living donor and Sydney actually wanted to donate herself but wasn't eligible. So we're just reaching out to the community to see if this moves anybody to go find out for Malley or even for somebody in your own life to see if you're a match. And you don't have to be a direct match by the way for to help Yale's Kidney Exchange program can match incompatible donors within a larger network. So that can also help Malley receive a transplant. So don't count yourself

out just because you think you might not be a match. But if you're 21 or older and you are interested at all, again, for Malley or, again, somebody else in your own life, if you're curious about organ donation and being a living donor, you can visit Yale New Haven's Living Donor Program at YNH.H.org slash organ donation. And you can also call the Center for Living Organ Donors at 866-9-25-3897. All the donor-related medical costs are handled by the hospital. And obviously there's zero pressure here, but we just wanted to help Sydney reach out to the masses. She's trying to do a really good thing for her friend. And Mallee, if you're listening, we hope that you're doing okay with all this.

And yeah, if you are a match or if you know somebody who might be or is interested, how would you know if you're a match? But if you know someone who's interested in finding out if they are, then please reach out through those sources. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for putting that so coherently to you and Katie, who've kind of like, um, we're in contact with her. So yeah, that's really, that's really scary. And, um, I hope, I hope somebody, I hope this moves somebody or, you know, at least gets, gets the word out. And, um, lots of love to both of you. Yeah. I, uh, it's, you know, we're, thank you, Sydney for also

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Okay, so I'm going to tell you a story now. This is the story of Athalia, Poncell, Lindsay, and her brutal murder. Good. Yeah, great. Good times. This one's a weird one. It's a doozy, okay? So Athalia, first of all, love the name, Athalia.

It's just something. Ethereal. Very ethereal. Athalia was born Marianne Fetter on July 25th, 1917, in good old Toledo, Ohio. Her father was a wealthy utilities magnate. So she grew up in money like she was wealthy. She lived in a wealthy family. They actually were so well.

wealthy that they lived in something called a marble palace. Fuck. Okay. Speaking of like the marble floor of the Egyptian theater that was and that ended up up being dumpster tiles. Right. Modge podged together. This one was actually a marble palace on the Isle of Pines south of Cuba.

Like this is the, yeah, of course. So is mine. So. Yeah. Same. Also like, first of all, you never hear Magnate anymore. I would love someone to just be honest. and tell us who they are.

And they're like, I'm a magnet. It's a sexy word, I think. A witch magnet. Oh, the one in the marble palace. Oh, my God. I thought you said a witch magnate. And I went, yes, I, that, it's that. I want that.

A witch magnet. I would like there to be a magnate involved in magnets. A magnet magnet magnet. That'd be very funny. Stupid. Okay, sorry. I'm the heir of the magnet magnet fortune. I mean, it's just ridiculous.

Yeah, so her father was a utilities magnet. boring. But they lived in a marble palace, of course, on the Isle of Pine, south of Cuba and grew up in this environment. She was tall. She was described as willowy, beautiful, attended private schools, was raised very crem de la crem. She moved to Jacksonville, Florida as a young girl, and ultimately ended up in New York City becoming something called a powers model. And I guess, what I want to say here is like this was I don't know how else to put it except that she was very much hated like it reminds me of um someone divisive today like someone successful and divisive like like using their powers for evil no more just like some people are like go girl and some people

are like hateful yeah I don't know the right way she was she was she was she was interesting than making friends. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That is so well put. Okay, I knew you'd have the language for it. So she became a Powers model. And at the time, a Powers model was like quite an elite thing. This guy, John Robert Powers was an American actor and he founded a modeling agency in New York City and a modeling school. And so those who wanted to be successful in Hollywood would often attend his sort of training programs. Okay. And, and, And his Wikipedia is an interesting rabbit hole and definitely has like quite a bit of controversy in and of itself. Like so if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I definitely recommend it. But I'm just kind of giving you an idea of her backstory here. During World War II, she played bit parts in Broadway musicals. She was a chorus line dancer.

Yep. And then her probably most prominent role. And this is where we get into that found, I almost said found footage, that lost footage, hopefully someday found footage because she actually was a television personality for a while. Get out. I know. And she was on the show, a game show called Winner Take All hosted by Bud Collier. I think it's Bud Collier.

Pod Collier. Yeah, obviously. Sorry, I just surround myself with the magnets and that's how they say it. You're a game show magnate. I mean, you of all people would know how to pronounce like old game show host names. And maybe it is Collier, but in his transit lane. accent. I think it was Bodkalee. That's definitely it then. Let's go with that. Okay. So thank you for that correction. During, so during this time, she was sort of like a support role. Unfortunately,

we can't fucking know for sure because there's no footage of it because the studios would just tape over all their shows. And once the tapes degraded enough, they'd toss them. It was just like they saw TV and stuff as like disposable, I guess. And it was like, why would we save this and now it's just like has people on the internet ripping their hair out like desperate for their thesis statement or their dissertation to find something like i mean i found forums where people were like i'm writing my thesis on this person this was in 2022 somebody was posting that like they couldn't find the footage of this and wanted to and were writing about her murder and wanted to find this footage and i was like me too i mean without knowing anything it like it just immediately feel suspicious that

she is a murder victim and lost footage of her is missing. It just, it feels like it's intentional. And they're probably two completely separate situations, but it just feels odd. They're definitely separate. And you'll see why I believe, I think, unless there's something like way deeper underfoot, which I'll always entertain. But I think in this case, it is just a coincidence. But it is kind of an ominous one. Okay. You know, it's just a little ominous. So there's no footage of it anywhere. But just feels like missing evidence all of a sudden. It does.

And the show winner take all, uh, is, I guess I don't, I didn't know the show. I mean, it sounds familiar, but it's also like a phrase. So I don't know if I knew the show. Essentially it's one of the earliest televised game shows ever. It paved the way for a lot of other game shows, even though it was like very simple. And like I said, there's no known surviving footage of the show. So we don't really fucking know unless you're 105 and watched it in your toddler. program or whatever we said. Wouldn't it be crazy if it was like like it filmed over the,

the movie I was talking about and now they're both missing. Oh my gosh. Just a constant recycled film of lost footage. Talk about like a haunting. Like that feels haunted. There's got to be a haunted movie real somewhere. Haunted footage. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Oh my God. Definitely. I don't I don't doubt that for a second. Okay. So this is kind of Athalia's whole deal, right? She was also reportedly a friend of the Boston Kennedys. And she wintered with them in Palm Beach, which is why I was kind of earlier when you said like, oh, this was the child goes summer home. I was like, really? We can do that in the afterlife. So she's wintering with the Kennedys. She actually dated Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.

And rumor suggested they were engaged. But then he died in that plane crash during World War II. Now we kind of fast forward at this point. You kind of know what you need to know about like her backstory. She had been married and divorced twice before she moved to St. Augustine, Florida in 1971. And in 1973, she married a man named James Jinks Linsley, a successful real estate agent and former mayor of St. Augustine, Florida. I'm sorry, but you just know his tagline is like, we won't jinx you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't jinx it, vote for jinks. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brad Corb in my town would hate Jinks Lindsay. Now, that would be a fanfic. That would be. For the ages. That would be incredible. It's like, Brad Corp started again, but Jinks isn't a jinks. jinxed at all wow something like that someone else in the comments someone smarter than me have fun he was gonna win it all there's your prompt his his his latest win was jinxed by there's something there

it's like it's like how it's like how in orange county their car dealership is like in orange we're not a lemon it's something like that it's just like that it's the same thing um Yeah, so Jinks, and like I've had this conversation on this podcast with you before, but it never fails to amuse me when rich people have ridiculous nicknames. Like Jinks Linsley and then we've got, you know, I knew a pants. His name was pants. Her name was pants. Her name was pants. Okay.

I know a jock. Oh, she's married to Jock. And then there's like a bunny, you know, like the kind of like nickname, like the kind of like country clubby nicknames. And so Jinks just kind of reeks of that to me. I mean, it's a fun nickname, but like just in the time period knowing he's also like a real estate agent and the mayor. So it just kind of like, you know. I mean, Mayor Jinks. I'm sorry.

There's just so much good promo you could do with that. It's it's it writes itself. It really does. I mean, apparently not because you and I cannot fucking write it. Well, like, give me more than 30 fucking seconds. I know. On the spot. On the spot.

You're right. This isn't the game show winner take all. Right. Okay. Okay. So she moves to St. Augustine. She's on her third marriage. I say that to just say like she's kind of like done fucking around with a lot of things in her life.

And like you really well put earlier. She's not here to make friends. Okay. She's newly married. Athalia and Jinx live in separate houses. Some people make a big deal of this. I don't think it's really that odd because they're wealthy and like married and in this to 70. I don't know.

I don't think it's that odd. But make of that what you will. But Athalia herself lived at 1-2-4 Marine Street. And this was a residence that was valued at about $75,000 at the time, which today is around 600K. It was a Spanish-style residence. Meanwhile, her husband, Jinks, lived at the historic Lindsley house, which, again, just to remind you is his last name. I mean, it's kind of like Schultzworth Manor. It's like, yeah, right.

Jinks-Linsley, I know you. We see each other. You know what I mean? like I think no offense, M. But I think his is more like that's actually what the place is like called. Well, he is also a real estate person. I think he found ways to make it official. Mine's just a- You make a very good point. Mine's just fantastical. Was the mayor. See, he was just, he had more power than I did. That's all. That's what I'm saying. I think he just kind of had a little more right to the throne. And I don't say that like, I say that with

Let's not forget. I'm going to be mayor. You'll see. Okay. All right. And you're going to feel really. silly by saying I will I will vote for you thank you you're not in my district I don't think but that's okay I will I'm gonna collab with mayor max and then that'll for you in my heart mayor max is a little nearby by the way oh I almost texted mayor max yesterday I've told you about texted yeah I um I told you a while ago mayor max oh yeah oh I I recall the golden retriever I didn't know he has a phone though he mayor max is a golden retriever he is the honorary mayor of a town nearby and him and I now have each other's phone numbers. Oh, yeah.

And I was trying to text, uh, RJ's wife, mayor. And so I asked my phone, hey, text mayor. And it said, what do you want to say to Mayor Max? And I went, so many things. Put it away. So many things. I can't do it right now. Don't get me started. Anyway, Mayor Max, if you're, if you're listening. I have an addendum to issue 2.3. What do you want to say to Mayor Max? That's hilarious.

I don't have the time. Oh, my God. I hate when my phone does that. What do you want to say to your old college professor? Why the fuck would I be texting my old? Like, come on. I know. Okay.

Anyway, let's get back to the story. So, jinks lives at the historic Linsley House on St. George Street while Athalia lives on Marine Street. She was described at the time as feisty. outspoken and abrasive. So to give you the idea of like, you know, she wasn't necessarily well liked among those who liked a mild-mannered woman. Yeah.

If you're looking for a warm woman, it ain't her. Yeah, people didn't like her very much. So in the Orlando Sentinel, she was described as, quote, a sharp-tonged, aggressive woman who would not have won any popularity contest. Damn. And she probably knew that about herself and she was fine with her. that. Big time. You have to know. If the newspaper is publishing it about you, you better know it. Someone's telling you. Maybe not because you're not friends, but whatever. Yeah. Open the door and read

the room, read the newspaper. Kick a rock, drink some coffee fly kite. Yeah. Wow. That was harsh. So in 1970, she actually made an unsuccessful bid for state senator. And she was planning to run for the St. John's County Commission. But in the meantime, she got very involved with her community. Unfortunately, was often in a very abrasive way. And so she would show up at these weekly county commission meetings and she would just like denounce local officials, obviously mostly men. And so specifically one particular neighbor she had a problem with was called Allen Stanford. And he was the county manager and county engineer of St.

Augustine. And the feud that the two of them had began over Athalia's pets because like any rough around the edges and slightly unlikeable woman, she had a menagerie of rescue animals. And she had a goat. She had six or seven rescue dogs. And like for a wealthy woman to be kind of collecting animals like this, the neighbor was really pissed.

And Alan basically said the barking is incessant. I say the sound, the smell. The sound, the smell. It's like, you know, he's thinking I pay for like a house here, yada yada. And so they get into this feud. And like she is not going to back down, right? So neighbors had actually like not just him, but other neighbors, including a Colonel McCormick had actually filed noise complaints already and nuisance warrants because

of these animals she had. Whoopsies. Athalia would then retaliate by kind of being a little erratic. She would like cut the limbs off their trees, typically over the property line. But like she was kind of antagonizing them, right? sure um whether she like knew it or not or whether it was warranted or not it's not for me to say but like she was definitely not calming the fire she was fanning the flames okay um she planted 10 foot tall bamboo to obstruct allan's view so she's just like fucking with the guy she really is saying like

just she's just it's a clear boundary she's like I just I just want to separate myself from you deal with it yeah but also kind of to piss him off yeah kind of poking it poking the bear you know like she didn't need to block his view to like make a point you know what I mean like she's kind of she's kind of antagonizing him and uh she for example goes to you know county meetings and is like he's not fit to run like she's really taking it personally like she's she's not engaging in healthy boundary setting, let's put it that way, from my humble opinion. I think she's maybe antagonizing him a little bit, which like fair. You can do that. It's just unfortunately, in this case, it did not end well.

Yeah, it's rough. So, you know, they have this feud going. I mean, it's like out of a sitcom, right? Like you build a really tall fence to fuck with your neighbor and then they get mad so you cut their tree down. I mean, it's like the classic just neighbor stuff. So I'm not trying to like victim blame your at all. Like for now, it could be a buddy comedy so far. Exactly. Exactly. And it's like, I wish it had just stopped there. Like she's got a goat, right?

He's pissed about the pet goat. I mean, again, it's like out of a, out of a movie. So the tension just escalated, though, because Athalia then made a report, a public report, claiming that Allen lacked the requisite certification to be the county engineer. So now she's like coming for the man's job. Okay. Alan reportedly told Athalia in her driveway, you're a vicious and evil woman, and one day I'm going to fix you. Fix you is crazy.

That's just beyond. Fix you is crazy. I mean, really. There's some real vitriol in that last half. Oh, it's alarming. It's alarming. At a county meeting in October 1973, Athalia basically told the commission, this man threatened my life. and like it's not cool.

So the date of the murder was January 23rd, 1974, and it was the first day of the Chinese New Year. It was the Year of the Tiger in case you're wondering. And I know you were. I was. Athalia and Jinx traveled to Jacksonville to buy frozen vegetables for a quote, home-cooked Chinese dinner. Sick.

You know, pretty exciting stuff. Athalia reportedly joked that it was considered unlucky that day to use a sharp instrument, especially a knife. But oh, well, they cut up vegetables and made dinner anyway. Ha ha ha. Okay. It's also unlucky to cut your hair on Chinese New Year. Is it? Yep. And you know how I found out?

Because you did it? No, my brother had a haircut appointment, and it got canceled last minute. And then the friend we were with was like, oh, you know, it's actually unlucky to get your haircut on Chinese New Year. And we were like, what? So, you know, he was spared. But fun fact. So she jokes like, ha ha, we shouldn't even be using a knife on Chinese New Year.

It just is a little bit foreshadowing. I mean, two on the nose foreshadowing. Hank, I feel like every time I'm telling you about this sweet little puppy of mine, it's that he has a new best friend. I mean, he's a Gemini, so it makes sense. He's got a new best friend named Kaluwa. Kaluwa loves tennis balls and just chewing the fuzz right off and swallowing it. He's eating it.

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States Fire Insurance Company and produced by PTZ Insurance Agency Limited. The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. The couple returned to St. Augustine. Jinks went to his home on Anastasia Island. Athalia went to her home on Marine Street. And according to reports, she decided to take her pet on a walk. And what pet was it, you may ask? It was, of course.

and I quote her quote crippled pet blue jay clementine. Hmm. Okay. Now Clementine. For a walk? For a walk. Was the disability that he can't fly? It's a bird.

I'll be honest, I don't know. All I do know is that she carried him around in a cage. So I'm assuming so. I was like walking a bird is fucking insane. That's just jail to a bird. Look at her. She's like walking around with a, I know, right? you're like,

ha ha, look at what you can. Ha, ha, you're on a leash when you could do this so much faster. I mean, I've seen that when you have like a bird that needs the needs that sort of rehab or something.

Yeah. Or like needs that sort of outdoor time. But like, yeah, this is not that. This is certainly not that. And this is also Florida. And this is also rich people in Florida.

So like, let's not forget. It's like, I'm going to go walk my blue jay. My criminal blue jay in a cage. I mean, and like it's very tiger king, all this shit.

Like, it's, it's, it's Florida okay it's these rich politician people in Florida who all are selling real estate and like just naming things after themselves and like walking their pet birds and like screaming at the neighbors and like gossiping I mean it's just a like it like it could have been a reality show and I would have absolutely watched it you know understood unfortunately it ended up like in a much worse place but um as of like up to now you're right buddy comedy like walking a pair like a walking a what was it

It just feels like something Jim Carrey would do. It's like... Yes! Yeah. It's just like a little bit like quirky, eccentric offbeat. So, okay, she goes to walk her pet Blue Jay, Clementine. And as she exits the home sometime between 5.30 p.m. and 6 p.m. A middle-aged man in a white dress shirt and dark dress pants quickly approached Athalia,

pulled out a machete and began to hack her to death. Holy shit. And so it wasn't our main character. it's probably a hired situation. We, I'm just going to say right now, we have no idea. Okay. Wow.

So this man in the white dress shirt and dark pants approaches begins to hack at her with a machete. She was struck nine times with this thing and sustained defensive wounds on her arms. One finger was severed and when police arrived, they described her body as nearly decapitated. Oh my God. Fuck.

It was an extremely brutal and bloody murder. It was in public on her doorstep. Just really shocking. Her blue and white dress was hiked up when they found her. Her shoe was lost. Her pearls were scattered on the sidewalk. Clementine's bird cage was smashed and the bird was never seen again. So someone stole Clementine or like they was like you flew away?

Or yeah, who knows? Yeah, no clue. So also you learn in that that that they weren't robbing her because her pearls are everywhere. Right. It does feel like if it were a hired hit, it was not done. Well, I don't know. I was going to say it wasn't done well because it was in broad daylight, but maybe they wanted it to be a spectacle of like. Could, could very well be. And, you know, that's where this case starts to get really twisty tourney is because you're thinking, well, that's what they would want you to think, but that's what they would want you to think,

you know. And it kind of goes in that cycle. So you're definitely on to something. Unfortunately there was, well, fortunately there was a witness, but unfortunately it was an 18-year-old boy named Locke McCormick who lived next door and he heard what he described as a peculiar slapping noise while he was just reading a magazine. He looked out the window and saw a man swinging his arm downward and walking away toward neighbor Allen's property. So Locke ran inside and told his mother and grandmother and I quote, Mr. Stanford is hitting Mrs. Poncell because from his perspective, he saw a man with a machete, hitting that person and walking toward Mr. Stanford's house. So he's like, Mr. Stanford was just hitting her, but he didn't really understand. The McCormick found Athalia. They went over there and they found her in a pool of blood, just the worst possible scenario, and called the police, of course.

and a trail of blood led from the body toward the driveway at the south side of Athalia's home right near neighbor Allen's house. There was no weapon found at the scene, and in February of 1974, a county mechanic named Dewey Lee searched a marsh miles away to claim a $500 reward, and he did because he found a package in the marsh containing a blood-stained white shirt, dark blue trousers, a belt, a purple tie, and a wristwatch. And near this packet was a rusty machete. And when they traced the wristwatch back by its serial number, it went straight to neighbor Allen.

Uh-oh. That'll do it. The shirt and pants were also identified as having been purchased by Alan's wife. And his name was written in some of them. But this is when you start to get into the theory of, is it too obvious? She has a public feud with this guy. Did someone else want her dead and, like, say, well, this is easy. Her neighbor fucking hates her and says he's going to kill her.

And then she went to the county, whatever, and said, my neighbor says he's going to kill me. But then again, you know, you look at every other fucking pattern and guess what? A man says he's going to kill you. He just might. I mean, is it, so it could have been him. Yeah. I mean, could it have been like a stalker who like was obsessed with her on TV or something. I don't think so.

I think it was more an act of. I mean, all the clothes say his name, you know, never mind. I mean, yeah, it was definitely like an act of some sort of, but the alternate theory being like maybe it was the new husband or somebody who wanted her out of the picture and found the neighbor to be an easy. scapegoat. Do you know what I mean? It feels too easy to me. It feels too easy, but then I'm also like, men have done worse for, not

worse, but like men have done shit like this for like lesser insults or like, you know what I mean? So I'm like, it could very well just be he had no, he wasn't in control of his fucking. I mean, I guess you like, you have to have a very specific level of

rage to not think to at least do it in a place where no somebody's going to see. Yeah. Like he had to be seeing red to do that and think I'm going to get away with this or I don't even think about getting away with it. Right. Exactly.

My thoughts. Exactly. It's sort of like either he was so fucking pissed that he like lost any semblance of I've got to cover this up because I have an important job I want to keep. And he just totally threw that out the window or it was somebody like kind of pointing it to him. So like trying to peg it on him. Yeah.

Yeah. I agree. Because I just found that really strange. But, you know, sometimes it is just the simplest answer. So anyway, we'll get to it. So we get now back to the investigation. Allen after finding, after this package was found. And like that too, you know, people have pointed to like, oh, a packet with his clothes that

have his name on it. Like doesn't that feel a little obvious? But it's also like, well, yeah, if you have clothes, you killed someone in, you would hide them, you know, in the woods or something. so I go back and forth. Either way, he's arrested because, of course, and indicted for first-degree murder four weeks into the investigation. At the trial, defense attorney Edward Booth argued that the sheriff's office had planted the evidence to frame Allen, which is like a huge claim to say that the sheriff's office planted this. But that's because they had this sort of alternate theory they were presenting to the jury.

Booth suggested that the mechanic who had found the clothes and stuff, Dewey Lee, could have committed the crime and then planted them to get the reward. He also claimed like maybe it was her somebody else because, you know, she's so unlikable, right? Like she had a lot of enemies. Yeah, anybody, exactly. He actually characterized her as an obnoxious, strange, and vicious woman with many enemies. and the neighbor, when they brought him up, Locke, under cross-examination, he actually recanted that it was Mr. Stanford. And he said the killer he saw was actually heavier with more hair.

So it's like unclear whether. Does that resemble the guy? Which guy? Sorry. So it does, that's. So he's basically saying he was recanting. Right, but he wasn't the Mr. Stanford or what's his, Alan? Alan?

Yeah, Alan Stanford. He's saying, oh, this guy was way heavier and had more hair than Alan Stanford. Couldn't have been him. And it was further complicated because the sheriff had actually had him interviewed under hypnosis. So now one's arguing like, well, is his story now true or is it like less true? It's just unclear like he's changing his story. So that kind of makes it more confusing. Witnesses provided an alibi stating that Alan was actually in his office.

at the time of the murder. And so whether these people were telling the truth or were part of some other plan, the jury deliberated for only two to two and a half hours. And interestingly enough, side note, during deliberations, the jurors were served a, quote, dinner on the county. That's fucking bribery, babe. Yeah, like the guy works for the county, the guy who's on trial for murder, like, lest we forget.

I feel like it could have been him. And even though the neighbor is saying, oh, well, I don't think it was him because he was heavier or whatever. I mean, I know what my neighbors look like. And the sheriff, like, made him go under hypnosis to like, it's just the whole thing reeks of something weird, I think. If I saw, if I looked at the window and I saw someone

hitting or stabbing my neighbor, I would know pretty immediately if who it was, like for him to so quickly go, oh, it was, it was Alan. And then they go like, oh, well, he's heavier and, like, fuck that. Like, he also could have looked heavier because he was hunched over stabbing a dead woman. Like, yeah, but then you wonder, like, he just maybe assumed it was him and never saw his face. Do you know what I mean? Like, maybe it was like.

I guess so. Maybe I'm like reading too much into like what I would do. But like, if I saw someone, I would. You're right. I'd be like, who is that? Who is doing that? You wouldn't just say that must be Alan. Like if someone were attacking someone, even if it was on their front step, you wouldn't assume it's the next door neighbor.

You'd be like, who's attacking my next door neighbor? Especially if they're in a small town, everybody knows everybody. And this guy is like a major player that everyone knows. And they've got beef and you know that he's two doors down from you. I mean, and one of the sources I saw him say like that the stature or the walk reminded him of him. And I'm like, well, then I think maybe we can trust that. I think he was just a kid and he was scared of like. accusing someone who has power and lives two doors down.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I'm sure he was threatened. If this guy is paying the jury or giving the jury all this really nice meal to like shut them up or we talk to them in some way, I'm sure he also bribed or secretly threatened this 18 year old kid who is like your mom and your grandma live here and like some blah. And you know what I'm capable of. Like he could have said anything or like said. Who knows?

Or even the sheriff said you can't fuck with you can't fuck with the count like he's on the county. you have to do this or that. Like, what are you going to do? You know, if the sheriff tells you. Yeah. So I agree it's definitely shady. This feels like a closed case to me. I mean, it's like once you put it all out like that, it feels pretty obvious.

So they, of course, paint her as having lots of enemies. And it could be anyone. And then like, you know, two hours of deliberation while they eat dinner on his dime. He's found not guilty. So the sheriff says he refuses to pursue anyone else. He says he believed he had the right man when he did and now it's just everybody's just going to move on. So you think that's the end. It's not.

Okay. So of course you can imagine that this murder stirred up some drama in town and stirred up a lot of talk. This woman was already divisive. She was well known. she'd been on she'd been a television personality she was married to the former mayor like she's this is a big deal she was murdered to death with a machete on her front step like this is big news so when reporters are going around like talking to those who knew her one of her friends francis beamus was her name she was like a friend who lived nearby and she was like you know what i'm actually like writing

she did have a lot of people that didn't like her very much and uh i'm I'm actually writing a book about this case on my friend's murder because I'm like trying to get to the bottom of it. She was a 76 year old PR specialist, newspaper writer and fashion director. So she was very much like high up for a woman of that time like in the career world, you know. And so she was like, I'm going to write about this. And she was very open about that. She was gathering material for a book about Athalia's death. she claimed she had information pertinent to the case, but she told people, like, I am not afraid of

this beautiful community we have. I'm still going to go on my daily walks. She actually even insisted that she had taken a walk the night Athalia was killed. And I was like, okay. I love your commitment to the bet, but like, yeah, it's a little bit like, that's not really a nice thing to say. But, um, okay. Yeah, sure. So anyway, she goes on these daily walks and she insists that like the community's still safe. And we fast forward, 10 months. months. November 3rd, 1974, Francis goes for her nightly walk and disappears. It's this fucking guy. Like, what are you talking about? It's this fucking guy. Okay. Her body is found the next day in a vacant lot near the corner of bridge and marine streets. Her skull had been

crushed with a concrete block. Yeah, that's as violent as getting stabbed with a fucking machete until you're almost decapitated. It's the same guy. Yeah. And her body was partly burned to destroy evidence, but like it didn't work so they just left everything there. Oh my God. And like remember, she's a PR specialist and a professional writer and was reportedly gathering evidence about this murder and was going to write a book about it.

And she went on her daily routine walk like and talked about it in the newspaper. I mean, it's just horrifying. So like, of course the story immediately became like, oh my God, Francis knew something. She knew too much and she was too open about it.

And, um, you know, she wanted to reveal it and was killed to, keep her quiet, especially because she was known for being so outspoken and she even insinuated to friends like, I have more information than I can even let on. Sorry, there's like teenagers outside. They sound like that. I'm fun. This is their 10 minutes where they get to giggle with their crush. I know and scream and like play with you doing backpacks. I know. Karma. We were the same.

I get it. I do. Someone's probably stealing a boy's baseball hat right now. Yes. And like where, oh my God, you're so right and someone's just like longingly like jealous oh that was me every time that was me too okay so her murder occurred on november 3rd 1974 i know i said this already but it's important because roughly 10 months after othelia's death is when this took place and this was also while preparations were being made for the trial of allen stanford so don't you think maybe she would have been somebody that was called upon to testify if she did have some information i surely do So the killer had ripped off her clothes and attempted to burn the body to destroy evidence, but failed. But there was no evidence of sexual assault so that, like, further pointed to this motive of, you know, trying to silence her.

Despite the high-profile nature of this crime and, like, the compounding effect of the first crime, the initial investigation was described as flawed and basically yielded no suspects, no leads, like just fizzled out. Beyond me. Just beyond. So the St. Augustine Police Department actually reopened the case in 2012 because they wanted to apply more modern DNA testing to the evidence, but they actually were not able to really get much. And so both cases to this day remain unsolved. Like, that's the stupidest one to be unsolved. Isn't that, like, infuriating? And it's just the story of, like, a successful woman that everyone hated, like, and the men.

Or, like, a powerful man who gets away with it. That got away with it. because their feelings were heard or there was a goat outside. I know that's simplifying it. I know. Okay, guys, but like, come on. It's crazy. I'm just sick of this shit.

It just feels so obvious to me. Yes, it's so fucking obvious. It's like we finally have a, like, a fun character with a fucking burn and it has a TV show and, like, you know. It started so silly. Right? Like, it was like a buddy comedy for a minute. And then you had to go and fuck it all up. Pisses me off.

Well, what are the odds that were bummed again? Well, my stomach just turned because now I have to go to Jiu-Jitsu and I'm terrified. Take a clonopin, like a little... No, then I'm going to just fall asleep. Oh, right, right, right, right. I was thinking more like of a propranol situation where, like, it just makes you a little less nervous, but I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I'll, uh, maybe I'll just, uh, do a breathing exercise. I don't know.

Well, you're going to do great. So, why am I so nervous? I think it's because it's like Blaz's friends and stuff and like, yeah, you want to impress them. Crowd and I just, I just don't even want to impress them. I just want to like be normal.

I would want to impress them or maybe it's not impressed. It's like I don't want to embarrass myself. Exactly. Like I just don't want to do something really, really dumb. Like I don't think anybody's judging me, but it's like I don't, I just want to make sure I'm like a good representation of myself today, you know.

And that's why I got propranol. Yeah, I get it. The stage right of it all. Well, you're going to do great. Thank you. Thank you. Maybe I do have some left. I'll go look.

Yeah. Prananal never hurt anyone. It's a good time. Yeah. We're not doctors. Don't take that medical advice. And by anyone I mean me. All right.

Well, and that's why we drink.