And That's Why We Drink - E485 A Biblically Accurate Batman and a Birthday Bark Mitzvah

Episode Date: May 31, 2026

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You look like you're getting ready to talk to your teenager about drugs. Just like I already look disappointed. You already know I'm high. Like you looked at my eyes and went, well, fuck. I was like, I've tried to play along and be on your side against your mother's will this whole time. but it's gone too far. I have to side with her. This is getting really gross.

It's finally time for you to step in. And I'm so sorry I've disappointed you, Dad. Welcome to our podcast. It's called and that's why we drink. Things are tough out there, man. But you know what? We're still making it work. I'm Christine and I'm here to bring you some bad news about true crime.

And I'm here with my co-host, dad. The one who's apparently always trying to be the fun parent, but is put in a sticky situation every now and then. That's how you've been typecast, yes. I'm M. Schultz. And today is a big day for us. This is our birthday episode. Speaking of which, how was your son's birthday?

The Bark Mitzvah. I saw the pictures. Oh, did you? I did. It looked delightful. He is a big boy now. He's a man because he's technically 13. Right.

It went very well. I was shocked how many people bring gifts to a dog bark mitzvah at their own dog park. I guess if you don't. I guess if you don't write no gifts, you know, people are just going to. I truly just, I mean, I even told people at the park. I was like, oh, we're going to have a little thing, you know, just want to invite you to know what time to be here. And everyone just started showing up with gifts. I was like, I didn't mean to make a thing.

I know. You should be like, actually, so he had his bar mitzvah. Now what's next? Now it's my birthday. And I'll be, oh, I'm just having a little thing at the dog park. So, yes, it will be, Hank will be there and he will be accepting presents. Thank you. No, it was a very nice time.

And actually, today now we're going to. another doggy birthday at the dog park. It's all the rage, I hear, these dog birthdays. You know, and they're doing the one thing I did not do, whether the owner is bringing little mini, like, solo cups with a shot glass size, and she's going to be for pup cups. That's so smart. I was like, that genius.

Whip cream was the only thing I didn't bring at my party. That's the only thing you didn't bring. Okay, well, now that begs a question. What the hell did you bring? That's the only thing. The only thing I'm saying, did you have a boughs house? Did you have like a petting zoo? Like, Barney?

Technically, the dog park is a petting zoo. Oh, you beautiful check. So I, we had a dreidel. Sorry, you can hear the birthday boy himself chugging. Yeah, he's like, let me tell you about my day. It was really extra special. I'm a man now, actually, the birthday man. Yeah, he's been acting like it.

He's like, I'm the boss. There you go. Okay, he's done drinking. Thank God. we had dreidel to be a bar mitzvahs which I don't even know I don't think they play that at bar mitzvahs

but I was trying to think of anything Jewish that was dog friendly and I also had to make my own poker like game chips because usually you play with chocolate and can you imagine if I brought chocolate to a dog park oh my word in heaven

we brought pin the tail on the hankies M kills an entire Burbank resident It would really put like a not so great spot on my May or a resume. It would be the first time your Burbank newspaper would have a different headline. Brad Corb finally steps aside to let you know.

Brad Corb knows things have gotten bleak. Okay. Brad Corp wouldn't kill your dog. I have. I mean, really. Like it speaks for itself. No, it was very fun. But this time around, it's R.B. days.

Mine is in two days. Yours is in three? Oh, my word. That's right. I told Leone it today as we record this at my birthday. birthdays in 10 days and she was like freaking out. She was like, we are so behind preparations. I like if she's already stressed because she knows the importance of a theme. I know. And I'm like, girl, you don't have to do anything. And she's like, step aside.

Do you think she is at an age where Blaze has like told her like quote, like surprises about like what we're doing for mommy for her birthday? Or does she not know what's going on? No, she does. It's just a secret we're all in on the moment. She's in on the secret. Everyone's in on the secret. Got it. Okay. But it's still a secret.

So, you know, like, I wouldn't know. So maybe the secret is like, we're going to have fun, you know? Yeah. Or like, you know, mommy wants to do something like, or, or the secret would be, I bought this. Let's pick this out for Mommy, but let's make sure we don't tell her. And so then she comes home and says, Mommy, I'm not going to tell you about the beautiful flowers we just bought at the story. You know, like, so it's a secret.

I will never know. Right, right, right. It's just accidentally been already told to me. So she's really working on kind of semantics, and she'll get there with me as her mother. So we'll get there. Are you excited about your birthday? Do you know what you're going to do yet? I do because I'm a huge nerd.

There is a history walk on Monmouth in my neighborhood. They're doing a big history, a self-guided tour. And I'm going to go to the self-guided tour and go into all the old buildings and look for creepy little ghosts and stuff and just wander around and learn about the history of Newport Kentucky. That's awesome. I did not know you were a history. I just, I think I just have had to finally accept that about myself. Okay. Like that I'm just a huge fucking nerd.

Sick, brother. Well, then I, um. Thanks, dad. That's me trying to be the fun parent after the harsh talk we had. Sick. You like history too? Not the Civil War kind. Okay.

Well, is there any, um, okay, last question I'll ask, but since you're nerdy about it, and it's your birthday and it's something you want to go do, is there a building you're hoping you'll learn more about that you think has good history? I hadn't thought of that until this very moment, absolutely. So I have two answers. First of all, I'm opening my... Child Bella. Blood orange.

Blood orange. I love a B.O. Oh, it's my favorite. I love a B.O. And it's my favorite. Blaze has been getting it. Blaze has been getting at the story. And the day he bought them, I'm kind of like Leona.

I know it's shocking. I turned it, but he said, buy more. And he's just bought like four. And I was like, well, buy more. Well, you know what? I'm sure he's used to it between you and Leona. everyone always wants more of whatever he's doing. It was actually shocking how little he reacted.

Yeah. It was kind of, it had to look inward. Yeah, I'm hoping to go into that building that you and I learned about on that ghost store, that creepy auto printing building, which every time I drive past,

I'm like expecting to see something in the windows up there. It's where like they said that ball bounced around. They made it sound horrible. Oh, it was so creepy. And that was when that Batman, a fully, fully evolved Batman walked past.

It wasn't like a Batman. It was like the most biblically accurate Batman I've ever seen in my life. It was. It was a bivocally accurate Batman. And he walked right past us as we were learning about the fucking building. That and the place where I went to prom, which was it's called the syndicate. And it's a gangster's dueling piano bar is what it's called. Incredible.

I mean, you can quote me on that. I don't think they have internet. But essentially this building is just this creepy old building where a bunch of like, Bobsters back in the day died and it's very haunted, but I had my prom there. That's very cool. So, you know, maybe I'll get to go inside. Did you have an after prom? Um, I don't know because I wasn't really cool enough for that. So instead, my date when I went to his prom, his high school had an after prom. And I was like, this is the coolest thing that's ever happened to me because I didn't drink in high school. So like, I wasn't, I was totally straight edge.

and really, really proud and insecure about it. And so then I went to this after party. The duality is crazy. A proud and insecure. I contain multitudes. What can I say? Cool. And sick brother.

Wait. I love you. Sick brother. Rock and roll brother. They had Skyline Chili there. And it was in this huge gymnasium. I mean, it was this huge high school called Oak Hills that I had never even like heard of. And then they were like, oh, there's like 3,000 kids that go to the school.

And I was like, crazy. And so I went to the after prom there. And I was like, oh, my God, this is awesome. They had like snow cones. And it was just this huge gymnasium. And they had like all this shit, like carnival games. And like, it was all night long. I was like, that's awesome because they didn't want people to drink.

Yeah. Ours was at like a trampoline house or something. Yeah, it was at like a fun park or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I feel like in hindsight as an adult, I'd be like, of course, let's put all of the people, all the kids with way too much fucking energy. Totally. It's just the adult version of like, let's burn out the babies. Well, and they're all like hormonal and they're all like eye each other.

It's like danger zone. Danger zone. Let's not bring beer into the mix, you know? I mean, this is going to end badly. I get it. Agreed. Agreed. What are you doing for your birthday?

Are you going to an after prom? I'm not going to an after prom. That would be very illegal, I think. I'm learning. And also, like, so troubling. I think Chris Hanson would be at that after. Probably don't know. Oh, my God.

Finally, you'd get his autograph. It'll be on, like, the judge's warrants. Yeah. Can I just take a picture of that for me? Do you imagine if I had a judge's warrant of Chris Hanson? And I went, oh, my God. Seriously, I have his autograph. And it's like, no, he's signing you over to prison, actually.

So, like, yes, and. Both two things can be true, first of all, is what you need to know. And you also contain multitudes. And I want you to remember that. Thank you. That's not going to, that's, that'll be my defense. Be like, your honor, you don't get it. I can take multitudes. I'll be your attorney. Don't worry. Things will go very well. I'm sure nothing bad will happen. No. So no after prom for me. No after prom. Because I'm going to the building where I went to prom and I'm going to learn the history about it, which is a super cool thing to do on your birthday. Not. I would like to go back to where I went to prom. I went to a bougie school and I, my prom was on a cruise. I know.

Oh, like a river cruise. Yes. We had a river cruise dance too. It was very fun. I also went to a boogey school, but we didn't get to do the fun trampoline thing. I don't know why. It was me and one other school, not me and I don't know. Our school.

My school. Me versus a whole school. What if you were homeschooled? What if you were homeschooled? And this is your way of saying like. And I just like jumped onto their prom and I went, me and this other school. Linda was my, my bougie teacher. And we had a prom on a cruise because she had a work of it.

me in another school which was your cousin oh man can you guys tell it's jemini season because it's fucking riling me up dude i'm like unstoppable it's so annoying um my okay so my birthday uh well alison poor alison because now that hanks in the picture she has two jemmenis to deal with i know it's really delightful i'm sure she's sweating bullets my butt um i i don't know what she has planned for my birthday um next year is a 3-5 for me and I'm going to make that a milestone birthday. And so I told her this time around, we can play it cool, we can be chill. But next year I want to go do something crazy. I don't know what her plan is.

She said that she's taking me on a trip at some point. I think it's next weekend we're going on a little getaway, but I don't know where. Bring your pillow. Literally, I know. I was like, so far, I'm nervous. Good stuff. Tell me there will be a hotel this time.

And she won't tell me where we're going. So I am a little nervous about that. Well, I'm getting nervous, too, because I did want to add one thing. And I feel like we're going to make the listeners very nervous if we don't mention this, which is that we are also taking one of our holiday weeks next week. We have never really had holiday weeks. This is the first year. We've had them built into our schedule.

I think most podcasts do have them. And we're just the weirdos who've never had one. So we were like, why not birthday week? And since you're going on a trip anyway, maybe it'll be a good coinciding, but I don't want people to be like, did M die? And then there's no, you know what I mean? That's excellent. My last words were like, I'm a little nervous and then all of a sudden they're not recording.

And then everyone digs back and is like, oh my God. So before that happens, just FYI, there's not an episode coming out next week, but it's not. Hopefully not because M's dead. Well, you know, both things can be true. And contains multitudes. No, we, I thank you for reminding your bit. But yeah, so on, God, you know what week it says, the week of six, seven. Oh, fuck me.

no wonder we're taking time off. We didn't even want to be around for that. I'm certainly too old for that. We will not be here, but we will have another episode out on the 14th, the following movie. Yeah, that's right. But no, I don't know what I'm doing. My only request has been that we go to a Brazilian steakhouse where, like, the meat just keeps coming. Right.

Like, bring it on. That's my only request. Good for you. Good for you. Yeah, that's it. And then next year, I mean, I already told you, I wanted to be a big one. But next year, hopefully, if I've finished all my states, it will, my birthday, they will be in Alaska. That's my plan. Oh, now that would be cool. I'll finish it out. And I've been

warning, I've been telling everybody. I'm like, if you are thinking about ever going to Alaska and you just don't have a reason, you just need to like pull the trigger, just know that somebody you know will be in Alaska in June. If you need like a home base or if you want to share a hotel or something. Be careful what you say, because it does sound like you're saying in June. Oh, sorry. In June. It's, it doesn't really. I think my brain just is mental. But I think you just did something, though, because now I have to spend June and Juneau. It's supposed to be, I mean, come on. You can't not. But it's so far a weird assortment of people have said that they're, they're thinking about

coming. Oh, tell me. Like, one person from the dog park, Allison's sister only. Like, it's like, she's like, I'm leaving the child behind and the family. Yes. Like, I think it would be like a family trip. But Allison told me, like, she doesn't want to go to Alaska. Oh, you're saying her sister only not Allison.

Correct. What? She would love Alaska, I feel like, not that I've ever been there. Well, she's, she's been before and she said it was her favorite place she's ever visited. And I was like, oh, well, I'll be there. And she was like, oh, that's interesting. I don't know if it'll actually happen. But everybody that's been considering it at all even for a second, I'm like,

this is going to be a weird group of people. It's going to be fun. Yeah. Anyway, so if for some reason you want to catch me in Alaska, your best chance is in June 2027. June and June. Okay. June.

That's the theme now. Excellent. I finally have a theme. I was worried. I mean, it's pretty good, I would say. So that's my B-Day. I, that's, you know what's so weird is because I just was. was doing Hank's thing and I don't I don't know what's going on but this year it didn't even

occur to me until like two days ago that's my birthday so I'm I feel ill prepared to even like celebrate myself when you have a child suddenly you're like oh wait I've misplaced my own self self concern worst thing I did was get a dog who um I plan on giving birthday parties too and it's the week before my birthday because now I'm like. Are you sure because I feel like it's almost like you can kind of like get people you're like see I throw a good party and then you can like amp it up and be like now you're thinking that's okay now now you want to come because you're going to have phone off you don't show up like if I did this for a dog imagine what I'm doing for imagine and think about and do you think about how much the pup cups are weighing on you that you

forgot these dumb I mean they are I was like my will have actual alcohol if you want to come so I will not for the dogs please don't do this again with the chocolate and the alcohol be so careful oh your birthday ones my birthday ones yeah um okay well that that great great good job um you didn't ask but i'm drinking uh coffee bean today which it's tea but from a place that starts with coffee i really really really really was confused i thought you were drinking coffee and i was like i'm actually leaving it's like getting coffee from a tea house but it's tea from a coffee house gotcha whatever um whatever but she's really she's really getting me going today i took a sip and i went wow that's you all should pour some down your leg and my leg

said, yummy. Lest we forget. You said that was going to be a good sip straight down the leg. It was going to be a good sip, and I watched her fall all the way down. It was so uncomfortable to watch and listen to. Anyway, so that's, I guess that's why I drink. I was actually struggling on like why I drink this week, but I guess it's our birthday week.

Fuck yeah. Happy birthday. Next year you'll be in Alaska. I love this. I love this energy. Already excited and scared from my wallet because that's going to be an expensive D-Day. Oh, one last. thing we have to announce is that as our network parapods ever heard of it, we have started

something that it's so fun. We did not come up with this by this. This was an Eva Megan Jack concoction of sorts. Was this a Jack concoction, I think? I think he led the charge. So the name was a Megan creation. But the invention was just kind of like it just sort of came down from the heavens. Yeah, so we've been doing a lot of trying to collaborate with the podcast on our network and get their name out there. We've also been on their shows, and it's been very, very fun to get to, like, chat with all these people. But we want to be able to put those in their own little space and have what we're calling a club of sorts. But, Christina, I want you to say that we'll say them. All right, we're introducing by Parapods, the brand new Parassocial Club.

Okay. It's so good. And like we don't mean parisocial in like, oh, it's gotten way out of hand parissocial. We mean parissocial. Like I want to be friends with that podcaster. So let's have them on. We're going to do a little breakout chat. Okay. We're going to do breakout chats between all the different podcasts. And, you know, there might be like true crime talk on between certain podcasters. Like if Taylor and I want to chat true crime or if M wants to chat ghosts with somebody or movies with like that's pretty darker. Whatever. It's just so fun to have like a new space where we can explore other talk. topics and things and not like bog the feeds down themselves. While also promoting the shows that we're super proud of that we're happy to have joined us. But also, I mean, you know we love a play on words in parasocial. The parapods, parasocial club. Are you kidding me? Or Gemini's.

Like it all just really works. I mean, presented by Parapause, parasocial club. It's just really fun. And so M and I recorded some fun little intro like word vomiting. When you hear it, Jack will have a masterfully edited. it to sound great, but I promise the rough cuts are us giggling through the whole thing. I literally was reading my own acting notes. I was like, get creative about this. Oh, wait. That's not a line. So maybe it's in there. Maybe it's not. Well, our first official big launch of the Parassocial

Club will be on YouTube. It'll be on Thursday, June 11th. So go check it out and watch us chat. And discover a new show that maybe you don't know of yet, that could be a new favorite to binge. You don't Or just watch his chat. Like sometimes, I mean, I'm for sure going to try and request a chat about Brave Little Toaster with that's pretty dark because I need, I have a lot to get off my chest. Fair enough. That's a, I would listen to that. And, you know, like some true crime I've been dying to discuss with Taylor, who's also very like, you know, up upon the news when it comes to true crime. She and I text and voice memo about true crime, but it would be cool to actually put that out there as content and stuff like that.

I think the first episode the two of you do should just be a. constant feed of all of your audio chats for the public. Oh, we should just play them. Yeah, that's actually a great idea. Just play your phone. And then you don't have to say anything. You just sit there and hold your phone. But then it'll be like, oops, spilled tea down my leg, like, or whatever the hell.

That was going to be a good sip. I was going to be a good sip straight down the leg. Oh, y, y, y'all, well, thank you for remembering that. We're very excited about, Evo was like, are you sure about Paras Social Club? And we were like, yep, fuck it. I think it's a fun name. I love it. I know it's kind of like Parassocial has a bad rap.

But generally, parisocial is just a word. It doesn't, it's not inherently negative. Like, I have parosocial relationships with all the podcasts I listen to because I'm like, oh, I mean, hopefully they're not out of hand. But, you know. The best part about having a podcast network is getting to work with all the people. You do have some sort of like, quote, healthy parissocial relationship with anyway. We can get to know each other outside of that. Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, welcome to the parasycial club. It'll be starting soon on YouTube. And we'll link it in the show notes. Well, I ask, I think, every year, so I'm just going to end on this before we get into the story. But for your B-Day, is there a cake flavor you're hoping for or a dessert flavor? Because here's the thing, this is a few days in advance. Blaisle has a chance to get you exactly what you want if he hears this come out. Oh, shit.

You're so right. I've got to be so careful. Allison, if chocolate cover strawberries aren't there, I'll simply lose my mind. Oh, we don't want that. We don't want that. I'm thinking, oh, my gosh. Gosh, I'm feeling like a little carrot cake this year. I think you said that last year too.

I don't think I got it last year. Interesting. And now I think Blaze is going to be like, yeah, you did dumb, bitch. He's going to be like, I bought you six carrot cakes and you fucking, no. He's, he will get me exactly what I want. He's a lovely, lovely man. Well, he's nice enough. He'll probably, if you even think you didn't get it last year, he'll probably just make you two.

He'll just be like, he'll actually say, you're right, even if I wasn't right. And then be like, here are three more. And I'll be like, you're too good to me. It's my favorite when they just say, you're right. It's my favorite. It's my least favorite. It makes me so mad. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. I'm like, fight me. Oh, okay. I'm like, fucking fight me. Wow. I'm like, I just desperately want to be seen. And as soon as Allison goes, you're right, I go, fucking pause earth. What are you talking about?

I need to hear it again. I love that you said this, because that's all I want to is that I want to be seen. But then when someone says you're right, I'm like, you're just placating me. And that's not seeing me. That's just placation. Well, I don't believe you. Okay. Prove it.

Actually, show me documentation of when your brain synapses decided this. Work harder. Exactly. Got it. Okay. Write it down. Put it on a pinboard. I don't care.

Show me the evidence. Show me the work. Show me your work. Don't use a calculator. You're using a calculator. That's like under my lap right now. You can't Texas. instruments my love.

Oh, now that is Fallout boy. That is, holy shit, you know, it's so crazy. Tell me. I was just thinking. I signed up for a poetry class and I was like, what if I took a songwriting class? I mean, so here's a situation. What if I taught a songwriting class?

I need you to lock the fuck in right now. TikTok, silly town has departed. We've departed silly town. Jokes out of the room. I need you to know that you would be, shockingly good and you would what would piss me to right the fuck off. Here's what would piss me off.

Here's what would T UO. It would, it would freaking T my O, T-Meo. Is that you would you're one of those people where I think the less you tried, the better it would. Like, it would just naturally come. Like if you're trying, just stop

because you just say shit like, oh, you can't Texas instrument my soul or some shit. And all of a sudden, that's incredible. Like, don't even try. Like, you should be, you do poetry where one night you try and one where you don't. The graph and calculator to my heart. Yeah, I mean, I get it.

Okay. But like, you know what also? It would be so good. But I'm placated. You see what I mean? I need like real depth, not Texas Instruments level depth. Wait, I'm placating you? No, I'm placating myself.

I'm having a mental breakdown. My God. I hope your therapist is on speed dial because like I, I'm telling you, there's, that's not placating. You're just like, like, lucky that like you just have a, skill and you're like no no no I simply must be like kidding myself earlier I webmdd some of my symptoms and it said condo what I started crying laughing oh my it was like maybe you're having a kundalini awakening and I was like thanks cora did you gather information on what that means at all

absolutely and I'm absolutely having one okay well you know what it sounds like cora was on spot I know webmd helped me zero it was like you're probably having an aneurysm. And I was like, that can't be right. But Kundalini Awakening feels real. Sometimes Kora or even throwback, Chacha would have been able to diagnose us immediately. Do you have any idea how many times I'm like, you know, fuck chat, Shabit. I want Chachah to tell me what's going on.

Chachah help me. Do you want to know the scariest thing that ever happened on Chacha? This is a real story. Yeah. Okay, here's two real stories. The first one isn't scary. The second one is I got custom Nikes in high school. I don't know why.

Nobody knows why. It was a waste of my money. on the back I didn't know what to write and I came up with all these you know I was trying too hard as you suggested with the songwriting trying way too hard so I asked cha cha I wish I write it's a jumbo shrimp and I went in done okay and you know that was a person who got paid a quarter to just pick something but they just like they nailed it and I was like great can you imagine if the person who was your cha cha cha answer that day is listening to this and found out just now that they were they jumbo shrimp to your shoes the person I want to find is this person actually.

If we're going to find somebody from the cha-cha. Now that would be scary. Platform user server side. One day I asked cha-cha something very inane. Like I said, I don't know. Like how many. I'll find the, there's a screenshot or whatever the early version of a screenshot was back then. You taking a picture with your camera of the computer screen?

100%. Yeah, it was a picture of my flip phone probably. but I said something like how many degrees Celsius is something in Fahrenheit, some conversion. It responded, stigmata is the, and it gave the definition with blood pouring out of the, where Christ was nailed to the cross. And I was like, hey. That's the shit I would pull for sure. That is the person where I'm like, who are you?

And why would you do such a thing? If you're getting paid a quarter to come up with answers for people, you know someone, and obviously we do, because you just mentioned them. Someone is having the time of their life just giving you the wrong answer. And now you have to text another Chachaw person. You got to be, I got to be honest. You fucked with me big time, whoever you are. Honestly, actually in the comments, if you worked for Chachaw or know someone to work for

Chachah, I would kill to know what response is. So I applied to Chachaw and I got to like the final round and I somehow didn't make it. Like I didn't make the cut. But I got through the first couple rounds and it was very exciting. And then the service like shut down. So that might be what happened. But I was like really in it. I was like, I'm going to be the newest.

I'm going to be the newest, cha-cha. That's incredible. How did we get here? Where am I? What? I truly don't know the, the path we took. I'm going to call my mom to pick me up. Okay.

Oh, no. I remember your songwriting or poetry writing or something. Oh, right. I'm going to be. I need you to know that like truly you have a gift and you need to just close your eyes and not think and just essentially automatic right. shit like this calculator shit. Maybe I'm channeling somebody. Maybe.

Maybe it's Pete Wends himself. I don't know. I'm just like tapping all his creative reserves. Followed my never releases an album again. I, uh, oh, my God. I know this is the longest intro in the world, but it's our birthday. I shot the fuck up. Yeah, what the fuck?

Final question, because everyone needs to know, because last time you were going to update us, how the hell did your little hi-yaco? Oh, I got to be honest. I am a walking bruise, remember? I'm now, now I'm a literal. Remember when I said I feel like a walking bruise? Well, now I'm a literal. So fuck me, I guess, because now I'm a walking bruise.

I literally from rolling around on the floor. But did you have fun? My prediction was you'd have fun. It's so fun. See? I fucking told you. Remember you're like, oh, I'm nervous. And I went, you're literally going to be good at it.

Shut up. I've literally gone like six times now. See? No. It's like, it's like unwell. And the episode came out yesterday where we brought it up. So I'm super nervous because tomorrow I was the women's class. And I'm like, oh my God, are people going to come to the women's class after I mentioned it.

I don't know. I mean, at least now you kind of have like six classes ahead of them to defend yourself. I literally think to defend myself. I was like, at least I'll be prepared to show them the ropes. You're like, at least you'll be prepared to defend yourself. At least you know how to attack. Now right. But you think they're going to attack me? Our listeners are like, all right, finally. I know where she'll be. So don't mess with her. She's a brand new white belt, everybody, okay? She has not a belt in sight. Don't worry. She is not even a belt. So what you still learn? You still have to earn a white belt? I thought that you just

get handed a white belt. I don't think you get that. I mean, I certainly did not. So it may be one does, but but Christine does not. That's entirely possible. You're too powerful with this. Sure. Yeah. I like your perspective. Um, there's a lot of rolling around on the floor. So I'm learning about how to like actually do things like a role like roll sideways. So I'm fit. I mean, this is not. I'm not going to, please don't come and punch me anybody because I'm, she'll get you. She's almost a white. I'm just wrong. She'll get you. Look out. Tickle Tickle. I tried to tickle blaze. He was like, here, this is how you do it. And I was like, then I would go tickle, tickle, and it didn't work. And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, you can't just tickle me off of like, that's not how. And I was like, I really thought that was going to be like my secret weapon. I want you to know that I wanted you to finish your sentence. But what, what, what I just held in with all my might was bursting at laughing at you saying tickle, tickle. I think. That was, that would have, I'm telling you, if I ever attacked somebody and they tickled me, I'd be like, you fucking win, get away for me.

He was like, and then you put them in a triangle to choke them. And I was like, tickle, tickle, and he didn't work. And I'm really, I thought like, surely this will make him laughing. I was like, surely he'll let go. I don't know how you would save the day through comedy, except I do. And it's because you would defend the entire room by going tickle, tickle. And the guy would go, oh my God, I have to. to get out of here. And then I would get choked out and just lay unconscious on the floor and it would be really sad. I, what a, what a, what a, what a, I mean, what a listen, path we've taken. Anyway, let's get back to you and your thing. It's more, more important. Not really. I just want to hear all of your tactics you've learned so far with tickle, tickle. So what, it has to work at least once. At least what on someone who isn't expecting it. It's like I've heard a few people, in my day, especially in high school, I had some friends who liked to fight.

And one of them always said that his secret tactic was that if someone ever tried to like fight him, he would just get naked immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, just freak them out. Yeah, totally. You're just like, you're just like fucking up their whole brain. You're like, it's just like catching them off guard when they least expect it. I mean, tickle tickle is is the equivalent to me.

Imagine if you're naked and you say tickle tickle, that would really bring me. I think that Chris Hanson comes out with a judge. judicial warrant. I got his autograph! Finally! Em, what are you doing in this prison cell? How did you get in here?

We're both in prison? But the coolest thing happened. You'll never guess who's autograph I got today. And also, why are you naked? We have to tell a story, Christine. I got a white belt.

We have to tell a story at some point. I don't want to. You know, since we went on that New York trip, I feel like I should have just had a microphone in my mother's face when she was talking to my aunt about rocket money. Ah, to do the ad, you mean? She was flabbergasted. I know it because it sounds magical. I mean, it is kind of magical, but like it does sound like ridiculous.

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cases with where the character's name is Christine. Right, right, right, right. We've covered all the easy bases. I've done Kentucky. I've done Ohio. I like, so I wrote up stories about. Yeah, exactly. And so this year I was like, I don't know, 1991. Yeah. The year of the Christine. It's a good year. And this is apparently one of the most famous paranormal cases in Spain. I'm not, I've never, heard of it before, but it happened in 1991. And this next to France. Huh? You said I've never heard about it before.

I said it's next to France. You're so stupid. Do you know that? Yes. Okay. The, uh, God, fuck. That was a real tickle, tiggle to my attention. I did take my medication today. I did. I promise.

Really threw me off there. I'm sorry. here we go Spain which is next to France if anyone needed to know that in 1999 there was a case in Madrid and it was called the I think I'm saying it right Bleych

I already fucked up again Valacus Balacus I would think Veyacus because it's two L's but the guy who I just saw on YouTube said Valacus but V-A-L-L-E-C-A-S case

if you would like to look into it and the reason it's called that is because that's the city in Madrid that this happened in. And so we, the main character today, her name is Estefania. Beautiful. And again, this is one of the most famous paranormal cases or parapsychological cases that's ever happened out there. So if you know it and let me know if I do it justice, every source seemed to have like kind of a different chronology of how things went. And I was like, oh, well, I'll go watch like a YouTube about this, but every single one is in Spanish. So I was like, Oh, fuck me.

So, um, you, you got, you stopped at, he stopped at Valacus. Yeah. I'm like, that's enough Spanish for me. I went, and that's enough. So Estephania, she's in high school at the time that this starts in 1990, 1991. And as Stefania's friend, uh, she has a boyfriend. The boyfriend passes away in a motorcycle accident. And so what Estifania and her friends decided they're going to do is that they would

like to use a Ouija board and try to contact your boyfriend. Oh my god. Oh my God. This is the most 90s story already. Holy shit. And it starts quick. I mean, the first sentence is someone's dead. I mean, literally, I mean, wow. Okay. Woo. Um, so we are now in the school's bathroom. That's where they decided to do the Ouija board session. I mean, this is this literally is 1991 in a nutshell. This feels like something Sabrina, the teenage witch would do. It's like, oh, this is what I wish I had been doing in my life at that time. Run to the bathroom. I would never. thing to do a Ouija board in a space where like people are notoriously going to be in and out and they could be like teachers and you're probably skipping class i mean that's exactly where you would

do it isn't it though like i like to imagine like grunge 90s kids with like cigarettes doing it though totally like hiding the cigarettes in the stall i don't know what people did i remember i was straight-edge against my will and also for my will um yeah i think like i've heard a few stories on jim harold and other places where people say they did like especially in Europe there I've heard a couple where they hang out in the bathrooms and do like a weed aboard I don't know nefarious activities if that's like just a weird pattern or what but well they were all in the bathroom together I don't know how many people were there but I know that her sister according to one source was also in there like guarding the door yeah you've got to have a door you've got to have a door guard well you got to have a good one and the

sister wasn't because a teacher walks right in oh my gosh And I don't know what her name was, but in my mind, it's like, Tiffany, like, come on. You're the worst guard ever. You're never allowed it back. Well, okay, also only one source mentioned this, which I feel like is important. So if it's true, this is like, this makes the story so much juicier. Is that this is a Catholic school and the teacher was a nun who walks in and sees all these kids doing a Ouija board session. I mean, as someone who went to a Catholic school, yeah, that is basically how it was. You would be like sneaking. very non-religious things and a literal nun would be like, what the fuck? Yeah, yeah.

So she walks in, she sees a bunch of children and a Ouija board. She grabs the board and the planchette away from them, which if you've ever played Ouija, the whole rule is like you have to close up the circle. You have to say goodbye. But that didn't happen because the nun stole the board and not only that, but broke the board in front of them. Which you might as well as light it on fire in the middle of a session or something. You might as well Just summon the devil himself

I don't know if she broke the board Or the planchette I think the board would certainly be easier To break with your bare hands quickly So I'm gonna go with board But also more of an effect Yeah crack over the knee And so when she broke it though

All the girls in the circle Said that the board All of a sudden started emitting This thick white smoke It started pouring out of the board And Estefania breathed a lot of it in she breathed in the ghosts she breathed in some spooky stuff uh-oh um after this this is when estherfanya started experiencing some serious medical issues at home oh no including a series

of extreme seizures where she would be foaming at the mouth i mean it would be like it does not seem good estherfanya's family tried taking her to doctors um i presumably for an epilepsy diagnosis, but doctors could not determine a solid diagnosis. I will say in 2006, a reason for why she probably didn't get diagnosis because epilepsy can be really hard to diagnose. Although I feel like if you're getting seizures that intensely, like they must have an idea of what's going on, but maybe not in 91. But on top of the convulsions, Estifania also started seeing dark figures following her that nobody else could see. So now she's also having hallucinations. Oh, God.

And finally, as Stefania began having some outbursts where she became violent with the family, she would start like biting the siblings and barking, allegedly not remembering any of it after the fact. This sounds like rabies. It does sound a little something's going on. I mean, the foaming at the mouth even? Yeah. I don't, I've seen people have seizures, but never a foaming at the mouth situation. I don't know if that's common.

I don't think it is. I don't know. No, I have no idea. I have no idea. Also, go to these issues that she was having only appearing after a seance where a Ouija board was broken. And then the other kids claimed that they saw her breathing in this white smoke that came from it. It all led to people thinking as Sifania is clearly obviously possessed. Couldn't be a mental health situation, whatever.

Also, reminder that she apparently went to a Catholic school and this was during the 80s, 90s, C, Tanic Panic. So, I mean, it makes sense to me why a thought would be demons. Oh, yeah. Well, and look at the, like, the nun like cracked a Ouija board and half. I mean, it's the start of a horror movie. I know. And I mean, I don't know if any of that is actually true, but it is certainly a big part of the story now. But, I mean, imagine being a kid saying I was in a, I did a Ouija board session and the nun came in and broke it and half.

You know the story's spiraled. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's a great story. So, um, so her symptoms. not go away. In fact, they actually got worse. So not only is she having these intense seizures, she's hallucinating, she's now having insomnia, her voice is changing sometimes, and the dark figures are getting more intense. Eventually she would tell people that these figures were walking through the family home. They had no face, and they would tell her to come

with them. Oh my God. Yuck. Yuck. Well, one night, presumably after these, um, figures are kind of luring her over to the other side. Estefania has a very intense hostile moment with her sister, the one who I think was at the seance, attacks her sister, I guess knocks her sister out. And the whole time this is happening as Stefania is again foaming at the mouth, passes out, falls into a coma. Oh my gosh. is brought to the hospital and within 24 hours passes away.

Oh my God, what? Yeah. And she was only 18 or 19 at that point. Holy shit. Which also means they were dealing with these issues for like over a year because if she's 19, she's not in high school anymore. Whoa. Oh, my God.

So there was no official diagnosis on why she passed. They just kind of deemed it a suspicious death because she was. physically a healthy 18 year old kid. But I mean, I also can see like, well, someone had a seizure so intense they fell into a fucking coma. That's a pretty good place. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like something was obviously very wrong. I'm no doctor, but I would throw that in the ringer as an option of what happened here.

And unfortunately, her death would not be the end of all the situations going on at home because the family was now experiencing some very creepy activity that. Estefania had been talking about that she claimed to be able to see. Oh my God. So like your, first of all, you spent the last year, maybe two years with a daughter who was sick child, at least sick. Like if she wasn't possessed, she was struggling. Clearly ill.

Yeah. And then it didn't seem like, I don't know what the situation was to get medical help, but it sounds like no one was really the hospitals didn't seem to be advocating for her to find a diagnosis. Or they just couldn't find one. Or they couldn't find one. So she's struggling in that way, too, of, like, not knowing what her situation is. Now you're grieving that person who was your baby.

And now your house is also haunted. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Big year for them and not in a good way. The family felt something often grabbing them or sitting on them while they were sleeping. They would feel something, try to drag them when they were in bed. One of the kids woke up in the middle of the night

to her wrist being slammed into the wall. As if someone was trying to hold her down forcefully. The family would see their doors slamming open and shut. Appliances would turn on and off by themselves. Objects would move on their own. They would hear knocking, banging noises coming from inside the walls, but they can never locate the actual source. It seemed to move on its own.

Glasses would break on their own. They heard a man laughing in their rooms. and they even started hearing Estefania herself screaming. Oh, God. I can't imagine the torment. Oh, my God. One time the mother heard knocking

in Estefania's old room and she went in and quote, all the belongings in the room had been scattered around. It's like everything just getting thrown around. Other items that would get thrown around include the family dog

and one time even one of the other kids. No. thrown in the house. Another time this like impossible gust of wind flew through the front door like broke the doors lock and flew the door open

and it quote scattered their furniture everywhere. It's like a hurricane came fucking through. Yeah, like your own mini tornado. And I think this is one source that put these two pieces together. In that big windstorm or whatever the hell happened,

one of the items that flew off the wall was a framed picture of Estefania and when they looked at the picture the face had been burned away. Ah, what? The frame was fine, the glass was fine, the outer parts of the picture were fine, but her face was missing.

Just like how she said all those figures were missing faces. Yuck, yuck, yuck. They also, speaking of things that she said she had seen, they're now seeing apparitions walking through the halls. just like how she said she's seen dark figures walking around.

One sister actually described these figures as, quote, glued to the floor dragging itself towards them. Hey. Hey now. That's not super good for me. Like you're scary enough just being there. You don't have to do anything big. You don't need to be so dramatic about it, really.

You don't have to show out. Like we are already. scared. The dragging towards us. And we know you can move faster than that. So like you're just, this is for show. Give me a break. They also started seeing what looked like an older man walking around in the house.

Oh, great. And remember they heard a man laughing earlier in random rooms. And they would also hear an older man, his voice speaking to nobody. What was he saying? I think they just kind of heard like a voice muttering. I don't know if they really heard anything specific. But this had them wondering if the entity. here, maybe a Sifania was there, but they thought another entity might be their grandfather,

who allegedly hated the family. Oh. And according to one source, cursed them on his deathbed. Well, that seems maybe irrelevant. If that happened, I would certainly put him in as a suspect. Yeah, I would say he's on the list. He apparently said something to the family along the lines of, quote, if I can't harm you in this life, I'll do it in the next one.

Why even? First of all, why are you even at that fucking hospital to hear him say that if he's on his deathbed? Why are you? Good point. If a man, if he's going to say that, don't go. I don't know. That's what, you know what? That's going to be my new jujitsu tactic.

I'm going to say that as I'm getting like, well, I guess I'll be getting choked out. In between or after the tickle, tickle. I'll go tickle, if I can't hurt you in this life. I'll hurt you in the next. And then I'm out. And then, you know what? They're fucking haunted. And they, they're cursed.

by their own fear. I've instilled the ultimate fear. So I feel like in, like, I don't know the acronyms, WWE or whatever, like, were they all, like, where all the boys dress in, like, what's obviously costumes and play pretend that they're fighting? The one with the capes and stuff. Right. Where they're like, we're manly and I'm like, okay.

This, I feel like your theme, it would be incredible if you had a themed outfit when you're fighting these, your people, but you're dressed as basically a planchette or you wear, like, wood grain like a Ouija board because then your cut your catchphrase could be like I'll get you in the next life you know because you're gonna die but like as a ghost that I'll spell it out on a weed your calling card would just be you spelling it for them I just roll up hang on it's a space here so just an extra pause space And then, oh, you know it would be really good. So that's how you start them.

That's your intimidation tactic before the fight even begins. Then the fight happens. And right when they think they're winning, the board should again, I imagine this on the Jumbotron, you have the Ouija board spelling so everyone else can see what's happening. So you're slowly blacking out. And then on the Jumbotron, a Ouija board spells out, tickle, tickle. And then you come back and you win, you know? It's so possible.

I believe in you. What could go wrong? And then they're like, who is his lady in a costume? Like, she's not even a white belt to get her out of here. Well, you can do a costume change at the end and be a ghost. And that will be... Naked! And then you realize you've been wrestling Chris Hanson all alone.

He's like, I'm not, yeah. Prison, prison, straight to prison. I'm already waiting. We are so funny. Okay, so... I feel like Gemini season. is a best. Don't you guys agree? Like, wherever the stars are, I'm manic for sure. Like, something's happening. Anyway, I'm surely activated. I can tell you that much. Activated is a great

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And, um, I can hear you laughing. What are you talking about? Like a word a day, but I get a word an hour. A word an hour? Why? Okay, sorry. I'm trying to learn 24 words a day. Okay, what's your news word?

But then after this, you're going to have to learn four words. It just feels like a lot. Well, one of them was cyclothymic, and that sometimes feels a little like how I'm, how my brain feels. It does it? What does it mean? Can you teach me? I'm trying to go back into the thing to. Cyclothymic.

Uh. Let me see. What was the definition? Oh, wait. I think they gave me the wrong definition because this one says a rare chronic mood disorder. Never mind. Never mind.

Never mind. Jack, I thought out. Wait a minute. Were you diagnosing me under the table? Can you imagine it's recording me and it's like, ah, I've got just a thing. It's not a kundalini awakening. It's cyclothymia.

No, the definition, I swear to God, I have to go find it in my stupid app now. But it was, it said like, oh, when you're like feeling like a really heightened like excitement and like jazz about. Or or you have like little lows. Oh, wait. Oh, a mild chronic form of bipolar. Yeah, that's relevant to the conversation. Well, I do feel an intense high and intense low. Hey, question.

Is the app actually called a webmd and you're just misreading? It's this stupid. It's like like the last one I just got is, do you know which? one of these words is a synonym or of enophile? No, I don't. I don't even know what enophile is. No. Is this another mood disorder?

Oh, here are the options. An enophile. Wine buff? Oh. Paranamasia or loquacity. Hold on. Let me look at the word. Wine?

No. Try loquacity. I could be wrong. It was wine buff. Yeah! You're so much smarter than me. So I guess you are an enophile or you've been an enophile. I guess I'm a fucking idiot is what I am.

Anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to say the like, oh, look at me. Like, I need to make light of that. I thought the, I obviously need to pay attention to my vocabulary better before I just start saying words. I love word apps. Don't worry. I clearly need more of them to learn what an enophile is. Anyway, I've been feeling this Gemini season.

I have been feeling like a higher high, like a, like a. like a, I'm on a, a whole other level. I'm feeling good. Yeah, we're manic. It's what's called. It's okay. Romantic? I said it's called manic, but yeah, also romantic.

I, I, I feel like I'm microdosing mania just a little bit. Oh, what now? Talk about fallout boy lyrics. Microdosing mania. Are we shitting ourselves right now? Come on. Whatever. Maybe it's just because I finally don't feel like a fucking bruise.

I think maybe I'm just like at a normal level of happy currently. Write all of that down. That's a fall boy song. Like, Reducing mania because I finally don't feel like a bruise. Yeah. It's just really, it writes itself. You're really,

you're channeling right now. Apologies. Any of that was offensive. I was not trying to cause a thing. I just need to read my vocabulary words before I start using them. Okay. Anyway, where were we? These, oh, I don't know.

I know. If I can't harm you in this life, I'll do it in the next one. Oh, yeah. Yeah, my new jiu-jitsu move. Yes, yes, yes. I'm going to spell it out on a week of board. This, uh,

So this guy, he was not dressed as a planchette per chance, but he was the grandfather who allegedly cursed them on their deathbed. And he might be the man that they keep hearing and seeing throughout the house. Yeah. Just might. Just might. And there was actually, the family had a few mediums and psychics coming in during all of this because they're like, what do we do with this activity?

And one medium came in and said, without knowing anything, that they thought the grandfather was haunting them. And that Estefania was also in the home trying to stop him from hurting the family. And so what they were Whitney Singh was almost like this battle between like Estephania protecting them and grandpa like overtaking the situation. There was even a battle for good and evil. Oh my God. That's crazy. There was even a female EVP, like a female voice caught on EVP that said beware of grandfather.

Gasp. After living like this for months, for months. Like I think like nearing a year. one night the activity gets even worse. The mother of Estefania, I think her name was Conception. Never hear that name anymore. She said that she felt something in her room, told her husband, said something's here, and then felt something grab her hands and feet.

And the fact that it happened after you said something's here means like, it's like they wanted to be like, oh, you got me. Yeah, it's like time to me. move. Oh, oh, oh, oh,

oh, oh. They then felt and saw a shadow staring at them from down the hall,

which like, I can't imagine. Ugh. Um, and crucifixes literally on the wall began rotating upside down.

No. Like out of a fucking movie. Something grabs you, you see something staring at you from the end of the hall and the crucifix

is between the two of you start to be. Yeah. One source said they didn't actually, uh, uh, well,

mainly, um, in most stories that I, I read about this. They said that the family was so overwhelmed and scared about this that they called the police. One source said that they didn't call the police, but neighbors actually called complaining about loud pounding

coming from the family's walls. Oh, either one is bad. Either is bad. But when the police got there, the family was literally waiting outside in the rain. They were like, we don't want to be there anymore. Fuck. There were a few officers. I think it was three or four officers who went in, and the case was being handled by Inspector Negri. Negri, N-G-R-I. So they go in and And they investigate, and they've heard the family telling them, like, we think there's a ghost. We think there's a ghost. Can you be a cop? Imagine being a cop.

And like, you literally go to a house and they're like, oh, no, nothing to see here except I think there's a ghost in there. Like, what would you do? I'd be like, I don't handle ghosts. What am I supposed to do? I'd be like, finally, an interesting day on the job. Maybe, yeah. Or I'd be like, oh, at least someone's not going to, like, hurt me.

Well, I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, I think I would be like, oh, there's probably either someone in the house or maybe there's, like, a carbon monoxide leak, you know? Right. Or like, I mean, if I knew that they were going through something so traumatic, maybe I'd be like, oh, it's grief does funny things, you know, like, if they'd lost their daughter, you know, so I don't know, I don't know. I, um, I agree with you. I think, I think I would also, not to placate you, but you're right, Christine. Well, I was like, I realized I was like, oh, I just said you're right, basically, but I don't want to

you to, I do, I totally agree that I think my first thought would be, I think you, are getting carbon monoxide poisoning or you're dealing with a mental health issue. Right. Because it's like, yeah, it's just a strange occurrence. Even though I believe in ghosts, I would almost hope that what was happening as you were having, because I don't want the answer to be, oh, it's for sure ghosts. There's a demonic civil war happening in your home. Like that's not really where I would go straight away.

Now, the reason that this case is so popular in Spain is because that this was the first time, at least there, that a police report, a date. an official police report documented documented unexplained activity. Oh, okay. A lot of people say like this is the first and maybe the only case in Spain where police reports say like the cause of the issue is something paranormal. That is not true. The technical situation that they wrote down was that there was phenomena.

That's a good word. But they never actually say what they observed was paranormal. They keep it very vague. but people have kind enough for me. Yeah, people have twisted it into like this is a case where like the police determined it was ghosts. But these, here are some events that are actually from the report. And this is translated. So I don't know how accurate all of it is.

But from what we know, the, the officers all went into the bathroom, which the family said was the most haunted area of the house. And they felt a severe temperature drop that none of them had experienced before. They went through the rest of the house and felt a weird presence. Some of them said that they felt sick, which you might be right. Might be carbon dioxide poisoning. They heard pounding throughout the home, but nobody was there to make a noise. One of the cupboard doors flew open and almost hit a cop in the face. Oh, well, they saw an odd, like, I guess he ducked in time.

They saw an odd stain appear on a tablecloth before their very eyes. They saw a cross rip itself off the wall and then three scratchers. marks appeared where the cross was. This is a quote that their observations were recorded, stamped, and filed by the inspector who has never redacted their statements and has confirmed the validity of this report. So they're not saying this is for sure paranormal, but they have put it in a report with or without a known cause saying this is what happens and we're not taking it back, what we said. Okay.

So although the police were there and did make a report and did with. witness some things that they can't explain. There was, they didn't make a do. They're cops or an exorcist. So they. Yeah, that would suck if the police come out and said, yep, it is haunted. Anyway, have a good night. Like, what, what, what do you do? What can do? So they left and, um, they wrote a report. Okay. And the family very quickly moved out, basically. They were like, well, our only way of getting help came. Yeah. Yeah. We've had mediums here and they've said something's going on. So we're gone. And when they left,

they had no other paranormal experiences happen and new families who moved. into the house haven't had any activity. But some investigators have gone in in between people living there and claimed to get activity. I don't really know what that is. There's apparently a ghost hunting show in Spain that has covered this house and I tried to watch it, but it was in, first of all, it's in Spanish.

Second of all, the only place that I could watch it, my computer wasn't letting me, I think I need to update something, but it was like, you can't actually watch this. It was like an error. So I don't know. You need a new flash plug-in. I know.

Anyway, I like to think they're the Zach Bagan's of Spain. We do have to watch that at some point. That sounds delightful. But they said that they caught something. I don't, I didn't see it, so I can't tell you. But since this case, it's been speculated, obviously, if the family really experienced anything paranormal or if their daughter was just suffering and then they were grieving or maybe they were just exaggerating the story in some way.

The siblings have obviously gotten older and some of them have suggested that the situation was definitely exaggerated and their sister was not possessed. Oh, wow. Okay. The mother, though, seems to have maintained that the story is true. But she's also had her own separate psych eval. And apparently it, quote, showed emotional instability, anxiety, and need for attention that makes people think that she was making up this story.

First of all, that feels really rude. Like, so rude. I was like, I feel weird saying this out loud. Yeah, it feels gross. Yeah, your daughter's dead. Sorry that she's fucking trying, but whatever. I mean, yeah. I wonder if it was just like a bad translation.

And it's just like- I mean, it could be. And also like, I don't know her. I really don't. So why do I, I don't know anything. It, um, it, I would imagine to, I think I saw one source of like the mother was also had had some mental health stuff or was maybe suffering and hadn't had that looked at.

And so maybe it was two generations of people who were hurting and, didn't know. I'm not totally sure, but it sounds like people have reason to question. So that being said, the police did seem to observe activity in the house that lined up with what the family seemed to witness. So, like, it is interesting that even if this was all quote made up, then how come, like, on a police report where people are not willing to redact their statements? If it were exaggerated, then why would the police be part of that?

Exactly. Like, they clearly saw something, and it did line up with what others had said. scene. And if they've like since confirmed it's not a hoax document or something. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's, wow, eerie. And they didn't know what was, like you just said, they didn't know what was going on, but they still had similar experiences. So maybe some of that show. My last bullet point is just to say in 2017, a horror movie came out called Veronica, which is loosely based on the case. And I guess it also has a prequel called Sister Death. Yikes. Oh, oh, is that the nun? Oh.

Because I thought the sister, but then I thought, oh, wait, that's what you call a nun. Yeah, maybe. I didn't watch them. But in case you wanted to watch movies and then have a fun fact about them, you can tell them if it's based on this case. Yeah. Anyway, that is the case of Estefania. Wow. That is a startling story.

I feel like that's the kind of thing that would have made me avoid a Ouija board as a kid. Like, that's the kind of thing that will do it for me. That's scary. Yeah. Yeah. So hopefully it, uh, hopefully I did it justice. I was really working off of whatever English sources I could find. So yeah.

I wonder, has anybody ever thought to theorize, I mean, maybe this is a stretch, but thought to theorize about whether the board had some like, I mean, I don't know what that would be asbestos or fiber, something fiberglass like in it that like she inhaled. And maybe it was, I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's stretch. I don't know. And I'll, I mean, I'm with you. I, I, I'll, I'll.

also wonder like first of all I wonder if she broke the board did anything even come out or were these teenagers that just like wanted to like end it with a spooky ending or maybe she broke it and like dust came off of it like it was like cardboard or who knows what it was made of and they just turned it into like no it was this like thick white smoke versus like dust smoke um or it could have been like whatever they use to make the material of a Ouija board it could have been toxic I don't know yeah it's weird I don't know I don't even know if there's like a part is true it could have just been like oh i heard that she's used a wegia board and now she's possessed wow well i guess it's um that's how stories get told uh good job good job covering it though

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We're doing some astrology today. You said no to crime. No crime on my birthday. We're going to talk about star signs in serial killer. and how they how they what's the word the Venn diagram I don't know how they mesh how they're going to list out the stats the star sign stats okay I'm so excited well for those who don't know there was some recording recently where we talked about I don't even know how we got here but this was a request we there was a request one of us made you said you said why I would love for you to look

more into astrology as like a topic for the show and I thought well next week's our birthday episode I'll look in to see if anybody's done any research on this. And there have been a few, not enough to do an episode. So I only have like a little intro bit. However, it's fascinating. And I was doing some digging. I found a couple articles that claim to have done the research. And then I found somebody on Reddit who really did the fucking research.

And had the receipts. And I went, okay, no more of the memes, I guess. because ironically it was in our astrology memes, but this person put like all their research. So crime and investigation.co. Dot U.K., which zodiac symbol has the most killers. Do you have any guesses here? Because I feel like this is the exact kind of thing that's going to stir up opinions. And I wonder if you have any opinions before I bias you in any way on like if you were to,

and listen, judgment out of the. room we're just it's we're just playing folks where this is all alleged nobody's calling you a serial killer but um if you had to pick a star sign that was most likely in your mind serial killer energy which one would it be probably I the gag would be Gemini wouldn't it so

the gag would be I thought you were going to say Scorpio I mean that's too easy I mean obviously people I I already Scorpio scare me but they don't scare me in a serial killer way they scare me in a I'm uneasy and I don't know why way and but I feel the same way about I've said this before Tauruses they freak me out. Oh, me too.

Me too. They intimidate me. Taurus is I, I mean, I've met people who are Scorpios and we're fine. Like, I can actually, I think some people truly think I can't sit in a room with a fucking Scorpio. Like, I really fucking hate Scorpio. No, I'm just, I can't, I don't even really want to like. It's a bit.

I mean, it's a bit. I really don't even want to have to, like, play, pretend and defend myself on that. Scorpios are very deep. And so you're making a joke with people who are very deep and you're troubling them. I guess so. Or maybe it's been too long. You're poking a scorpion. And like, think about what you're doing.

You're poking at a scorpion and saying, I don't know what your problem is. Like, that's what you're doing. No, I, I, uh, Scorpios freak me out. And, uh, they like that. They want that. I guess until I say it enough times and they go, don't be mean. And I'm like, I am, here's what I'll say. You've said I hate Scorpios.

You've never said they freak me out. I think those are important distinctions. And as a Mercury and Taurus, which we famously know, I don't know what it means, but I've decided it means you got to be very clear with your words. So if you're trying to say they scare you, I think we can all agree on that. And I think they would almost be more pleased than anything. I, I, I, I can't put, I can't make me very nervous because I don't know what the fuck you're thinking. They're so deep. I guess. I don't, not that I've ever thought like, oh, they're not deep. I just, I don't know what it is.

I can't put, I can't read you. And I hate that. That's their whole thing. And in Taurus, I freak me out in a different way because they're very, very blunt a lot of times to a point where they are not worried about hurting your feelings. And I feel like I do a lot of like, do you want to know something? I feel like in a lot of like conflict, I like to almost like be honest, but still like gentle parent through it. And Tauras are like, and they just say it. And I go, oh my God. I think that's where my Missy, Mercurian Taurus, communication in Taurus, that's startling. it is because I'm like oh we're not like both trying to like be warm about this like it like

I just uh I just hired a trainer to help me with some literally like how to breathe and stuff like pelvic floor stuff and she's like helping me with I really like it's really cool like doing some strength training and like rehab stuff and she's a torus and of course I found that out immediately and then um one of the first things she said to me she says that sounds like something for your therapist's office yeah like they're like it's see okay so here's my thing And I was like, why? This is why I hate you. You scare me.

Yeah, that's exactly. That's a perfect example. One of my things, and this is like a gem and I think, this is just like however I operate thing, is that the number one quality I look for in a person is like warmth. That's your cancer moon. Okay. To me, like, it's just like there's, if I'm at a party, I will walk away have like feeling weird about somebody where I'm like, I don't know what it was.

That's probably also your psychickness. Sure. It could be it could be them. I'm like, I don't know. But any time I meet somebody and they're not at least attempting warmth, I'm like, shouldn't we both, even if it feels a little like we're doing a dance while we get to know each other, it's like, shouldn't we both be putting in effort to like make each other feel comfortable? But I feel like there's a lot of people who, for whatever reason they have, I'm not saying it's a bad reason. But a lot of people are like, I don't owe you that yet. Like, and people are just like a little more cold.

Or at least I read it as cold. And then I want really, I'm like. So it's so interesting because I used to be, because I feel like that's a lot of also masking. And like if you meet someone masking at your level, it's like, okay, we're both on the same wavelength. And I feel like that's something I've also been picking up on is like as I drop like stop masking so much, I almost sense discomfort sometimes in other people. And it's like, oh, I have had to just learn to like live with that or like to like feel that because sometimes I'm like I don't like I'm. it's too draining to be masking right now. You know what I mean?

But so like it's interesting you say that because it's like, oh, I was always in the same level. Like I'm uncomfortable if you're and you know, it's so funny as my is the trainer said that. And I was like three years ago, I would have gotten so spun out by that comment. And like now I'm like, oh, whatever. She just said something. And like it's probably true. And I was probably over. Well, that's one of the things that freaks me out.

Because like I said, it could be for whatever reason. I'm sure people like you have good reason to like not I wouldn't I wouldn't have thought about it as masking until you just said that but um yeah like I don't put it on anybody that like you should be this way but the way that I'm coming across I just hope people are totally yeah it just we just we just don't met it like it's no like I don't hate them later or I don't like crash out about it and think like I can't believe they were this way I just think like oh we operate differently and I just drawn drawn to a certain energy and vice versa. And like if you sense, I mean, same here. If I sense even a little bit that somebody's like, I don't feel like talking to. I'm like, great, me neither bye. Like, I don't want to talk to you if you don't want to talk to me. So, yeah, I totally understand that. I think the thing with TORSA specifically is that like they, anytime they have been like direct,

they've never been wrong. Like they like that's what freaks me out too. That's so true. It's like the accountability part. Yeah. They're direct and it, that alone freaks me out because I'm like, there are warmer, nicer ways to have put that where like, you're putting people more at ease.

Although, like, I shouldn't expect that that's something people want to put on their own shoulders. But, like, it's like you shouldn't expect that. But at the same time, what they're saying is so fucking true that I'm like, could you at least be a little kind? Because you're calling me out and kind of in a mean way. Well, you can't control your own. I mean, whether you understand it on an intellectual level, which I've had to learn as an airhead all this time. But, like, yeah, even though you understand, like, oh, I shouldn't expect, it's like, you can't control how your nervous system reacts or how you're comfortable or how you, exactly. So I just, I respect a Taurus, but I fear them because I know they're going to say something and not be totally. I love that you're so true. It's so true that they're, that they're, um, I have, I mean, I have a lot of Taurus friends, but I am scared of ever, like, being vulnerable around them because they're just, and like, sometimes you need a friend who's just going to call you out on your bullshit. Like, I'm not saying like, Tauruses are bad because of this. I'm just saying, you guys freak me the fuck out because sometimes I just want like a gentle landing space and a Taurus is not often that. Well, maybe they are if they like work on themselves.

which I feel like Gemini often get... I'm serious, because I feel like Gemini often get cast as like these like totally flaky, like insincere, like fake people. And I was like, I think maybe on a surface level that could be somebody who like Donald Trump is a Gemini. We're going to get into this today. Speaking of villains. Okay. So like, you know, there are some very terrible aspects like of Gemini as well and we get a lot of shit for it. Rightfully so.

But also you get there's so much. strength there too. And if you use your powers for good or you work on yourself and you're like, oh, this is something like I can form and like, you know, have fun with rather than, I don't know, I think it depends. But you're, you're right. I feel like Taurus can get a little intense. I don't really know many. And then I got a personal trainer and I went, oh my God. Astrology is real. Torres is actually one of the only people that I confidently and accurately always guess when I meet somebody. It's actually scary.

I'm like, are you a tourist? And I can't do that with any other sign. But I always know when I'm talking to a tourist. I said to her, she said, I'm a tourist and I went, yeah, I can tell. And then she said, and I'm a Scorpio moon. And I went, oh, my God. I don't think so. And then like the Kill Bill music plays and there's sirens everywhere.

Uh-huh. It's like backing up. I, um, no, I, I, I know I just like went on a whole tirade. Hopefully like no tourists feel totally attacked or anything. I just like, I, we just. I think it's when you said, but they're always right that, again, like, as long as M, you're using your words so carefully to say, uh, uh, Scorpios don't like them because they scare me. I think now we can all come to an agreement that yes, that is true. They, they freak me out. I mean, and like, I'm, I'm, I'm sure you're lovely people. I know lovely tourists, but I, you, your exterior is a little tougher than others. And, um, it, it's, it frightens me. Because I know what you're going to say is going to humble me. And I don't really feel like being humbled. Like that's it. It's not from not today.

And like that's why when I hired a personal trainer, I was like, I'm here to be humbled. And you're doing your job. And like it's like you're in the perfect spot. You know, like I get it. I get it. And I said, you know, my mercury. Because they'd be like, this is what the fuck's the matter. Fix it here.

Do this. Oh, and she is a consultant. And she literally does. And she has a button on the wall that says, I hate fun. And she says, I press this button when it's time to be quiet. And I said, okay. Wow. See, that would horrify the literal shit.

It was hilarious because then I said, so how was your weekend? And I was like, oh. And like I literally calm myself. I went, damn, I really can't shut up. Like, I really can't shut up. And so she was like, I hate fun. And I was like, oh my God. She's like, yes, someone gave this to me.

And she's like, I'm not offended. Actually, the more we talk about this, the more that you are very tors and that you're like, the don't play came. Because I think what one of the many reasons that Gemini's get accurate bad raps is that like we come across as fake. But I think in my mind, I really don't think. of it is fake. I think I'm like, I'm desperately trying to make sure that everyone feels comfortable in this and therefore it feels like being placated. Yes. And it's sort of like,

and Taurus is like, I don't have fucking time for this. Just tell me what's going on. And I'm like, I'm trying to keep you comfortable. Well, I think it's also like, no, I think Taurus is also like, you don't need to keep me comfortable. Yeah. I can keep myself comfortable. And that is just a, I just, we can't understand each other. But now I'm like at a place where I'm like, I don't need anyone else to make me comfortable, you know. But that came with many years of discomfort and learning to sit there and go, oh, this is a really uncomfortable moment. And I guess I didn't die. So, yeah, once your nervous system, realize you're not going to die every time something's

like uncomfortable or scary, you sort of like, I don't know, let your guard down, I guess. And things just seem less scary. Yeah. It's like, oh, you can say that. And like, I don't know. And then I saw her later in the day and she was so sweet. And she had her daughter there. And like, I was just like, I love it.

I don't know. I probably would have spun out and like never seen her again a few years ago because they would have been like so insecure or whatever. Now I'm like whatever. She just is saying stupid and like funny. I feel like we either gained or lost all of our tourist listeners through this. It was like a 10 minute tirade specifically about tourists. I mean, whatever things too because it's funny like we're literally here to talk about Gemini's and. So was that the answer that Gemini are the main serial killers?

So Gemini's are usually cast in that role in the memes and in the. a kind of like pop culture. Ted Bundy is a Gemini. Donald Trump is a Gemini. We've got a lot of Gemini, Samuel Little. There are a lot of Gemini serial killers. Like it's not cute. Okay. Okay. Got it. But this website, Crime and Investigation.com. UK, they did their own running of the numbers, and they landed on number one being Scorpio. Well, I told you so. Number two, Gemini. Maybe that's why I freak me out because I'm like, we're a little too similar. Well, you're very similar and they're very deep. So they're like, come with me.

They're scorpions. Like, they're under rocks. Like, they like to be in the dark. And they like shadow work. And they like to be. And like, we don't like that. We like to be up here. We like to be having fun.

Like, I can't shut up all the information is at your disposal. Like, what do you mean you're not matching me here and telling me everything? I'm here. And they're underground going like, you can't hurt me. Yeah. It's really interesting. I love it. I find it so interesting. So, okay, Scorpio, they said, was number one with, and they did some roundup of serial killers. 17 was the total for Scorpio. Gemini and Sagittarius tied with 14 each. Vergo and Libra, very Virgo and Libra coded to tie at 13 each. Ares cancer, Capricorn 11, Pisces 10, Taurus 9, Leo and Aquarius 6. So that. Interesting. I could see why Taurus is. closer to the bottom because they get all their shit directly out there anyway. They don't got to kill you. They just say, they don't. Exactly. They kill your spirit a little bit when they're a little too tough on love. Yeah, they're straightforward. But part of that is so interesting, right? Because it's like, oh, but then they're less toxic because they're not keeping all that shit in there. Yeah. They certainly seem to have the healthier boundaries. Yeah. Okay. So then from our astrology memes, and even though by the way, Aquarius was down at the bottom with Leo.

Aquarius, I think, was the most often cited cult leader. Interesting. Which fits totally because Aquarians are very like, you know, kind of like off the beaten path. Like their whole thing is like they're different, right? Yeah. And they see the world differently. And so that kind of did fit. And they're a lot of fun.

I would absolutely follow. They're more likely to end up in a cult if the leader's fun. Yeah. I think most people probably agree. serial killers by Zodiac sign. Now, this is from our astrology memes, the subreddit, which it's not, this is not a joke. This person is very serious about their sources. They put their sources.

They even wrote a note down here at the bottom of their graphics that says, note, includes individual known or confirmed serial killers, including those who are not convicted, excludes serial killers who remain unidentified, such as the Atlanta Ripper and the the Zodiac Killer for whom birthdays are not known and who killed in pairs or groups. So they were like, I didn't fuck around. Yeah, I love this energy. Should be on jostore.org or something. Yeah.

Oh my God. Oh, wow. Feels like an abstract. Feels like a for a paper. It does feel like an abstract. And so they made this beautiful graphic. Serial killers by Zodiac Signs. Now this is going to turn everything fucking topsy-turvy, not everything.

The Taurus is you're still completely at the bottom. Okay. fewest of you are serial coach we get it okay torus 27 um guess who's tied with torus gemini okay interesting now this person was trying to put to bed a lot of the flack that gets thrown around toward the signs including jemini including sage um unfortunately sage maintained its spot at the top of the list and jem and i went all the way down so i don't know you know i feel like if you're going to write something like this i feel like this should be a law and everybody to hear me out. This is, this is a take that I don't think is particularly hot.

I think that if you are someone who is writing about astrology in a way where you're using stats like this or an opinion might come out that you have, like it's a, it becomes personal in some way, I think you are obligated to tell everybody the sign of the author. I'm so happy you said that because they gave the sign. And they said, Libra, because they seem like they're really trying to find balance. I love that. they're actually a Sagittarius. And they said, this is how you know.

I'm doing this because I want accurate information, even though SAG is at the top of the list. And I'm a Sagittarius and I didn't like that I was at the top of the serial killer list. And like how they're like, but see how I could have channeled my energy somewhere else in a really bad way? Yeah, but see how much worse this could have been. You're welcome for this, by the way. Yeah. And so what's interesting is that like they're spread out very evenly near the top.

So at the bottom, we've got Gemini and Torres. tied with 27. Now, the next highest up is Aries with 38 in the list being Aries. Jeez. Really surprising to me. The top number, by the way, is 46. So 46, we have ties between four different signs. Cancer, Pisces, Sagittarius Scorpio, all 46 serial killers in those split amongst those signs equally. Wow. Yeah. Or 46 each. Then we've got Aquarius and Libra with 44. We've got Capricorn with 42, Virgo with 40, Leo with 39, Ares with 38, Gemini and Torres with 27.

Now, interestingly, we also have a discussion point here. And I thought some of these discussions were very interesting because now it goes into the rabbit hole. It's like chicken egg type conversation. We're saying, is it because Capricorns just aren't getting caught? Is that why they're so low on the list? Is it because Gemini's are actually... Well, because Gemini's are charismatic and can dance around it, maybe. Oh, right.

Or are they just like off leading cults? Like, who knows? You know, but it's like, is it like Sagittarius? Like, they aren't good at planning. And that's why they keep getting there at the top of the list because they're the worst serial killers, not necessarily the most. You know, like people started these whole big conversations and it was very, very, very. So now this is, it's so crazy that we brought up tourists because we weren't going to talk about tourists. It's not tour season anymore.

But the only comment I brought from this subreddit, which I'd forgotten until now, is somebody who commented Taurus staying all the way out of the drama, both as the killer and the victim. Because this person also created like a victim's per killer by sign, which I'm like, I'm not even going to go there today. What a shame. Because I literally almost said earlier, I'm like, I wonder if they've ever studied like. Oh, okay.

You can go into that for sure. I'm happy to. But I was curious. So it's like, I wonder if this type of person is the most. most likely to be a serial killer. And like we go off of like, well, people who align with each other, that would mean that they're probably more likely to be victims, right? To be victimized.

Interesting. Yeah. So that tourist comment saying, oh, staying all the way out of the drama. And then the tourists, a tourist responds with the flare of a tourist son in torus at home in my bed, not getting in trouble or murdered, painting nails emoji, way too much work. And I'm like, yeah, like that's fair. That feels fair. And it said it's a good thing they don't include dictates.

And I was like, yeah, okay, if they included dictators and like people who have killed more than three people on that level, like a geopolitical front, yeah, we'd probably have like a lot of Gemini's and all sorts of stuff going on. I don't know. But so it's hard to pin this one down is what I'm trying to say. Like it's hard to nail this down to stats. But it is, I would say, this is like one of the most fascinating conversations we could have. This is such a great gift. Oh, good. Because then you think, what is. if their Mars are like an all in one sign. We just don't even realize. You know what I mean? Like what if we layered all the signs on top of each other and we were like, whoa, there's a sextile. Oh my God.

Yeah. Unfortunately, once you start bringing things into it other than like someone's big three, you fucking lost me. And then I feel like I'm the least educated person to have the conversation with. But like if we're just doing fun sleep over like, oh my God, well, he's so like such a Gemini.

I can, I can vibe with that. But I would love to have like, have you heard of these like lectures and libations meetings? No. No. Where it's like people are now hosting like essentially PowerPoint presentations at bars. And so like you can go on a day where like the topic is interesting to you.

This would be a great one if like someone in like the psychic world who like knew enough about or medium world or terror world. Someone who knew about all this astrology stuff. I would love to see a discussion between a bunch of them talking about like based on the intricacies of your houses and planets and all that. what's our new chat called our or uh i keep wanting to call it anti social hour the parisocial club paris social club like that would be a great topic i wonder if we can because i know that get a bunch of psychics on or whatever i just mean like even within our group like i know jerry does a lot of she's very actively psychic and it like works on that regularly and then we've got um kaelin does taro and astrology so like we definitely have we could definitely do breakout chats

It's sort of like breakout chats. We're going to have fun with that. Yeah. So that's like the main discussion. Now I also pulled up like because then I thought, well, okay, if we're going with past serial killers just to bad people, which like this is going down a slippery slope. And it's also like where's the line?

Where's the line? And also how do you even like categorize any of this? But this link came up of 100 most infamous Gemini's. And I was like, ooh, now we're talking. You know, like infamous. This is the most fuck-ass list. I don't know who invented this. Who's voting?

Okay. We've got number one coming in hot. Number one, Charles the second. What? No. He belongs maybe on the list at all, but like not number one. On the list at all at like page 400 of the farm. Yeah.

Please be, don't be ridiculous. I don't know. I mean like Angelina Jolie should be up there for. She has my birthday. Thank you. Okay. So I think you know what you're talking about. Thank you, Chris Evans. Captain America.

Are we joking? Technically, Captain America's birthday is July 4th. But now, Chris Evans. Now, Chris Evans. I mean, he's certainly, I think people would argue they care more about him than Charles. Now, and tell me about Chris Hanson. When's that, when's that fellow's birthday? I don't know, actually, but I feel he's giving like Capricorn vibes.

I do feel he's giving to me like Virgo vibes. Something, something where he's like all about the, but, oh, September 13th. Is that Virgo? I think that's Virgo. Yeah. If it's not, he's on the cusp. No, that's Virgo.

Yeah, for sure. Because, yeah. Abby Wambach, Wambach, what the fuck? How do we say her name? Abby Wambach. Wambach. Wambach.

Is next. Number two. Okay. I disagree also. Charles II. Abby Wambach and then Donald Trump. I think someone just Googled people who are Gemini's and then

highlighted the entire article and put it in a chart and said, Here's some of them. Charles the second Abbey Wambach and Donald Trump. Like, what are you doing? I love to see all their middle of a room together. I mean, yeah, I guess so. I would hate it. I would really hate it.

I mean, here are two other people that should be on the list before them, us. Yeah, really. It's like not that hard. Like, do your fucking research. Do your fucking own research. Insanity. I love when people say, like, do your own research and then feel like, you are the research. I googled it and you were the research.

That's why I'm here. I, uh, I remember when I, I, I, the amount of times that I had when I was doing the Q and on research. Every single fucking article somewhere. Uh-huh. Do your own research. Yeah. It's like, you're an article.

You're an article. You're an article. Fucking J-Store. What do you want? Um, yeah. So we do have the victims here, victims per killer by sign. Okay. Okay.

Okay. So we have the same abstract at the bottom that like this includes the same serial killer. So the serial killers that we have mentioned in the above category, these are their victims. Oh, that sounds like a fucking SVU intro. I didn't mean for two. Where are the 500 Japanese men jumping? That's a true thing. Look it up.

Do your own research people. Please, I'm so fucking tired of doing the research for you. Okay. So this, I am unclear of how this really works. but it looks like victims per killer by sign. Okay, we've got Capricorn with the most at 19. They're the most likely to be a victim based on this research.

Yes. Okay. Lowest was Virgo at 7. Lowest is Virgo at 7. That's interesting. Capricorn's 19. Interesting. I want,

that's interesting because in my mind, I would think, well, Capricorns are like so studious and always prepared. And so I'd be like, oh, that's also like Virgo. So they're at the bottom.

That's true. But then Capricorn are also known to be very, um, they're smarty pants. They're smart, but you got street smarts. Oh, damn. Damn. Spoken like a true tour or something. Wow. Then we've got Aquarius, which hurts my heart a little bit because I know Aquarians are,

can be very kind of like out in their own world. Um, and kind of like detached from reality. Um, we've got Scorpio next with 12. instances. Okay. Ares with 11 and Libra with 11. Pisces 10. Cancer Leo 9.

Saj 8, Taurus 8, Gem 8, Virgo 7. Shocking. I really, I mean, I did not expect to be so low. But also, I guess, we're so high on, as you said, we're so high on the killing list. So there's none of us to kill if we're all the killer, I guess. No, we're the lowest.

We're the lowest on the list. I wonder if, again, that's because, because we can socialize her way out of that. I don't know. We're so yappers. So like, what you mean like we're not killers or like we're good at getting away with it? Because I don't think we're good at getting away with it. Yeah, I guess we're not thinking.

I mean, especially for yappers, that sounds like you're at some point you're going to. You know, and it's interesting to see here at the bottom that like the fire signs are lower on the killer list than. Then some of the air and water signs. The water signs are higher up. I guess they're deeply feeling. Well, you mean like, so the fire signs are the ones less likely to get killed? No, sorry, I'm back to the serial killer. Oh, oh, oh, wow.

Graphic where Gemini and Taurus and Ares and Leo are all like near the bottom. And then up top you've got like cancer, Pisces, Scorpio, you know, like more watery. But they're more likely, sorry, to be the killer or the victim? The killer. Interesting. Well, I would imagine like if you're a fire sign, you've got like a fiery personality. Maybe like you're more hotheaded or more like tem- Yeah, maybe it's not. Maybe that's like more violent rather than serial killer. You know, like maybe we are dividing into like because of course

killers, okay, that crosses a whole other threshold. Serial killer, you can at least put like a cap on like how many names you have because right. New reports. I mean, because then also you could divvy this up into, which would be fascinating as its own way. And this is like, obviously, this is just like a fun conversation. We're not saying, like, if you're a fire sign, you're like more likely to be an abuser or something. No, no, no, no. For sure not. Someone's going to read it that way. So just disclaimer. I have apparently a Mars and Leo. Okay. So whatever. I'm, apparently I'm very aggressive. So whatever. But it would be interesting if we're, for the sake of conversation, um, what numbers look like and like based on each crime. Like, who's more likely to be a robber?

who's more likely to be an arsonist, who's more likely to be someone who, you know, does like petty crime. And I think that's also so complicated because it's like, well, your sun sign is one thing. And then it's like, oh, but like maybe you are more, if you believe in astrology, which I do, maybe you are more, you know, like I have a rising and moon. maybe sometimes you're more in like that zone right and sometimes you're more in your like sun I don't know I think it's so hard that you could ever even pin that down to like someone's sun sign which like right so is such a limiting and I yeah so it's interesting that the methodology they used was just going off of that one sign because I wonder if you would even have everybody else is rising or you know right like the numbers the the information could drastically holy shit be totally

different. It could all not even be about that one sign. It could be about like your who's what your fucking mercury is in. Like it could be anything. It could be. I mean, Mars is aggression and sex, sex and aggression. So I feel like that's a big one. I would imagine. Interesting. I imagine your moon because that's like your shadow side. That's like your dark side. Your intuition, your like deep wounds, you know, is what your moon is. So I bet that would have a big play, like, very, like, sensitive.

Someone who is not me, I feel like it would be a really interesting midnight project to go through and do everyone's, like, full chart and then really see the overlap at every level. And then... Well, the problem, too,

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Checking account ranking based on a JD Power survey published October 20, 2025. For more information on APY rates, my pay, spot me and travel perks. Go to chime.com slash disclosures. What did they say? Where does Aries fall in both categories? So Aries was, you know, it's interesting. Gemini and Taurus in the serial killer list were at 27 at the bottom. and then it jumps up to 38 with Aries.

So their second or third to last or, yeah, third from the bottom. But they also have like a big jump up from Gemini Taurus. So. Interesting. My mom's in Aries. And also Aries also, they scare me, but I think that's just because of my mom. Well, yeah. Yeah.

And 38, 39, Aries, Leo. Yeah. So that's next. Was there anything that you were? were surprised by reading this outside of Gemini's? Yeah, like that the fact that like Pisces and cancer are the highest number when like typically people joke like, oh, Gemini serial killer season, like, I don't know, because Ted Bundy and a lot of the famous ones are Gemini. So I'm like, I was really shocked by this that we were at the bottom of this list that includes, I don't know,

if you add up all the numbers, how many. And sorry, Pisces and cancer, that that's most likely to be a serial killer. That doesn't really. surprised me though because aren't they both known to be like really emotional? Yes. So I would just imagine will they just like, quote snap or something faster. I don't know like what the thought would be. Like all three water signs are in the top are in first place.

That is weird because they are supposed to like go with the flow more, right? Isn't that the other thing about them? It's interesting. I feel like they've, I mean, I guess cancer makes sense, right? Because the point of cancer, the crab is like, oh, you have a hard exterior. and then you have like a soft underbelly. Like you're like so sensitive inside,

but you don't necessarily portray that. So I guess that's an interesting way to look at it as like maybe you have like armor. I don't know. You're armored. But yeah, cancer is pie. Sorry, cancer Pisces and Scorpio all with 46, but then tied with Sagittarius,

which also has 46. And then like sad, you're all the way up there with 46 and Gemini's down there with 27. Like that does not track to me. No, no. I'm shocked by that. It is so fun to just play. speculating though.

Like, I mean, it's all, this is all made up, guys, I'm telling you, I promise, but like,

it's fascinating. Like, because again, we don't know anything by someone's just their sunsign, but like it is an interesting pattern. It's certainly a cool study to be like, oh,

yeah. Fun fact is you know a lot of people happen to be like this. I wonder why. Or like, I know. And it can even be, I mean, I'm absolutely just

bullshitting off the dome here. But it could be environmental. Like, if you're born in June, that's because, you know, you're, well,

I was going to say, injuries or the, the, the homicidal triad, right? Like, what if we added that into the mix? That could completely change everything. Like, who had a head injury? Frontal lobe injury. Or you could even do, like, how many of them, what are, maybe it's that they're all gemized, but what are all their relationships with their parents?

Or, like, what are their relationships with their siblings or, um. All their moms were Aries. Uh-oh, we're both screwed. I mean, it could even be like because, like, it could be like a butterfly affecting. like because they're geminized, they learned at school this way. And like it's just like a ripple effect. They ended up turning out this way because they were geminized and that affected their behavior in somebody.

Right. So it's far. Exactly. So it's like far too simplistic, of course, to look at it just as the bare facts or to mean much more than like just a fun talking point. But it is also you're right. Like you could go down so many rabbit holes. You could do, yeah, why, right? Because I mean, if you read, did you read that book?

Oh, my God, whatever, that Malcolm Gladwell thing. We all had to read where it was like, maybe it was blink. It was a one with 10,000 hours or whatever. Oh, 10,000. It was like his fourth book or something. It was one of them. And he like talks about like, oh, well, I think it was him. He talks about like, oh, the hockey teams in Canada.

It's like it ended up being more important when, what months you were born in. because if you were older, you were automatically, or at least typically bigger. And so you're more likely to make it on the hockey team earlier at, in elementary school, like, in whenever they start in like second grade. And then, you know, and then by the time you're at like a professional level, it's people are like, why are all of them born in September or whatever the month was? Right. October.

And it's like, oh, it just happens to be the cutoff for the. Right. It's like correlation is not causation or something. Exactly. Exactly. So there's, that's beautifully put. Yes. science has already given us the terminology.

Thank you. It's really well done. It's always like, well, more, it's like when there are more serial, I'm butchering it, but one of the examples that, like, I was learned in my site classes was like, more people get murdered. When more people get murdered, their, like, ice cream sales go up. And it was like, well, it's just because both things are happening in the summer when people are outside and it's hot.

Right, right, right. There could be a totally different third factor you're not paying attention to. And there probably is. You're probably, I would, I would bet some money there is. Yeah. But that's so cool. I know. It's so interesting.

And like even just to get to know people based on like little things and connect with them on. And even when people don't necessarily believe in astrology, I think it's interesting that like people will still know things about themselves. Like they'll say, oh, like I think my moon is this, you know, like it's still interesting on some human level, I think to have like those categories. I did hear someone once say that Gemini's are really interested in astrology purely because since we're yappers, it gives us a small, it gives us a talking point for people. Oh, interesting. So it's almost like, like the stereotype could be, oh, Gemini's love astrology. It's like, no, we just love to have like a conversation piece in our back pocket if we need it.

Yeah. It's like things like that. So I, this, I'm fucking eating this up. Yeah, it's like one more hobby or interest that we can like, flip over to and like it's just learn a little bit about. If I go to a party and I don't know people, I can at the very least be like, oh, here's what our signs are.

Like, it's just something nice to have. You know what's interesting is my, um, my trainer, she was like, well, do you do, do you know your human design? And I was like, okay, now this is what. That's a new thing to fall in love with. Yeah. Do you know your human design? No, I don't even know what you're talking about.

Oh, really? Well, it was all the rage when I was in Egypt. Everybody, we had people on the bus who were like, kind of experts on it and I was just like learning look up human design I am a projector what is my human design and it gets really wild like in depth if you need another like fixation oh there's 17 questions to this oh well you're so supposed to just put in your birth date and time okay okay yeah get your human design chart oh here you go yeah I'm curious because I am a projector, which I don't necessarily know what that means yet.

I'm learning. Well, look at it up while I'm doing this. Okay. Well. Because I want to see if we, what our vibes are. Okay. Here's mine. Let's see.

And then there are different like aspects to it. So you have. So my energy type is projector. This is how your energy functions. You're, I have, I best make decisions emotional. intuition. Okay.

Uh, my profile type is the easy, breezy genius. Damn. Okay. That's nice. How do I add? Okay. I just got mine. Mine is, um, manifesting generator. Okay. Yes. I think that's, yes, I know that one. My strategy is to respond. My inner authority is emotional. Um, I don't really know what I'm looking at here. My, my, my, my, my digestion is close. Oh, my God. Oh, no.

I have my motivation is fear. Oh, God. My environment is mountains. Now, that one I can confirm. I love that for you. I don't know. Perspective is wanting. I don't know if any of this makes sense to you.

But anyway, apparently manifesting generator. I bet by next week I'll be fascinated. And like, you know, it's interesting. I just pulled up the app. And I guess I had downloaded it before because I have blazes in here. Oh, really? I don't remember putting this in, but he's a generator with sacral authority. And his profile type is the great life experimenter.

Well, that's very intense. It's intense. I just looked up, human design, manifestor and projector relationship. Thrives on a push-pull dynamic where the manifestor initiates and the projector guides. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. The manifester brings energy to create while the projector offers wisdom to streamline. it. I mean, that's literally how this podcast started. So that's kind of exactly right.

Yeah. And that's what my trainer said too. She's like, oh, projectors take like the energy and like almost guide it or like help shine it on other, help shine light on other people to help them understand their own. It's reflective a little bit, I think. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. I'm intrigued by this because, um, because you know, why. I'm because I am. But, uh, I just find it really interesting. And then she said that and I went, okay, see you Tuesday. And I'll be back with like, and she's going to hit, I hate fun. And I'm going to be like, but I have so much to say. Oh, you should, you should, uh, there's no way to

like build your own button. I guess you could just draw one, but you should just tape it next to hers. And it says, I don't care. I like fun. I'm a Gemini. Oh, my God. Yeah. And then she's like, oh, gosh, she was like, you'll like Marianne or whatever. Like. because sometimes there's two people in the studio at the same time. She's like, you'll like Marianne. She's all into astrology. And I was like, okay, Marianne and I are going to talk about you, by the way. We're going to bitch about you.

Anyway. Well, very cool. It's very fun. I wonder if I can, like, add people to this. See, like, this is when I get unhinged. This is the most Gemini and projector behavior to add everybody into my app and, like, then look at their charts and be like, here's how you all get along. Like, I don't know.

I mean, I would do. that. Why not? You would do that too? Of course. It's so fun. Um, I don't know what half the shit is happening on this app. I feel very confused by its existence. It's just a new language to learn. I know, right? And it has like this fancy chart, of course. Oh, I need a subscription. Well, in that, good, good, good, good, good, good. Interesting. Yeah. And especially like, I've been doing um, Reiki training. Yes. How is that trained? It's great. But it's, like, fascinating because I think I really didn't know if it was real. And?

It's real. Really? Yeah. How so? Like, what was the moment for you? It's almost like I knew it was real, but I didn't like, no, it was real. Do you know what I mean? Sure.

When did you know? When were you like, oh, this is different? I laid down, she's like, I'm going to tune you. And I was like, oh, the Virgin Mary's here. That's cool. Huh? And then my grandma showed. up. I mean, it was like really crazy. And then I had this flashback memory of choosing my life.

It was like, I mean, I'm not kidding. I've been, I mean, this shit is crazy. And then I got home and I went, um, so Blaze, I'm having sort of like a, I like a existential crisis, um, you know, about everything. Because I just sort of had my world kind of flipped upside down. Um, and I was attuned or I guess it depends on the word you use, raise you, raise you, I think. think um and it's like you can like feel it. Hmm. Like I was doing like I was doing I had to stomach ache and I was like oh my God I can like feel energy is like essentially like you feel like a like if your stomach hurt does that

mean like a like a stomach chakra isn't aligned or something? No, I just like had a tummy ache. So I was like oh I'll try to like lay my hands on it and just like intend to do Reiki. And it was like oh I can like feel like my hand tingling and like weird. You know, I put it on my head. And at one point I was doing this and I like put my hands on my face. And I just like tears were like pouring down. And I was like, I do not know what's happening.

Like I don't feel sad. Wow. I'm just having like huge emotions. It's trippy, dude. And so. And it feels different than just like mind over matter. Like just like, hmm, weird. Yes.

Who's teaching you? Sorry. I'm asking you two many questions. No, no. No. Thank you for asking her name's Maria. Maria. You got a lot of trainers left and right on all this and you're breathing and you're.

I don't know what is happening. It's like I turn, well, I haven't talked about this on the podcast. Happy birthday to us. I'm going to just completely derail now. I mean, I think we're, yes, go for it. Okay. I'm going to say an announcement, which I wasn't even sure if I would ever come up on the podcast. And now I'm going to say it.

And now I have to find my right app to make sure I get the statistics correct. Hold on, please, one moment. I'm ready. Are you sat? I'm literally, I'm on a bench. Do you remember when, hey, I watch a lot of snark channels. Do you remember when Michaela Nguerra was like, you're going to want to sit down for this when she announced her own divorce? And everyone was like, are you going to announce your own divorce?

Can you imagine? No. Oh, my God. Remember when I accidentally almost make people think I'm divorced like every five minutes? Because like, I never wear a wedding ring and neither does blaze. And I'm like, I don't know. I just don't know. I never notice, actually.

You don't wear a wedding ring? never notice in my life. Well, I do usually, but like I'll take it off for a shower and then I'll like forget and it's like kind of small on me and then I like don't want to wear it. And then people are like, why aren't you wearing a wedding? I mean, it's mostly like my mother. And I'm like, I don't know. I just don't. Like we have a baby in a house. Literally like I just kissed him on the mouth. What more do you want as proof of my love? Okay. Um, anyway, well, apparently I lost the app, which you know what? I guess that, is enough to say what I'm trying to say, which is that I actually have quit drinking alcohol.

Really? Surprise. Yeah. Yes. And today, well, that's what I'm trying to find. Oh, okay. Is my app that tells me. Oh, here it is.

Days since, 82 days. Holy shit. What are you going to do for Day 100? You got to do something. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I never thought I'd make it this far.

Is it just to see if you can. can or is this like a like a like what's I'm out I'm out I'm out it happened very suddenly it was not planned it sounds like I'm pregnant I'm not um sounds like I'm divorced I'm not um you just decided one day like oh I'm just sober

or what or do you know you don't have to talk about it if you don't want to it's so weird that we're talking about this because it was the night of the eclipse I mean cool Sorry. Sorry, it's just like, I don't know why I'd even look like that. Where are we going is what I'm thinking?

And I thought to myself, I can tell there is something I need to let go of and I cannot figure out what it was. I was having like weird dreams and I was like, something's up and I'm sitting there drinking wine, right? And I'm like, well, this, certainly this is not it. But something, something must go. And so I was getting so frustrated that at one point I was like really trying to like let go and surrender and just be like, okay, take the wheel. God, whatever. And I'm sitting there and I was like, okay, it's the eclipse. So tonight I'll do a little ritual.

And I said to the universe to the world, I give up. You take over. I can't figure out what you want me to do, what you want me to let go of. Handing the reins to you, figure it out. That night, I woke up with what I thought was the flu. It was alcohol withdrawals. I was vomiting. I had a fever.

I was sick for like two or three days. And it finally occurred to me like. How did you drink the night before? I mean the same amount I had always drank, which was far too much. And it was like, I don't know what happened. It was almost like I got like pushed into this. And maybe I did have like a type of flu, but then because or if because I wasn't drinking, I had a reaction, you know, but I had these like nightmares of my maternal line and my paternal line like all the way back drinking alcohol. It was the bizarre like my step. I mean, just like all these things happening at once like these weird flashbacks. And I was. having literal fever dreams and like sweating through all the she's i mean it's disgusting i went through like full-on withdrawals and then at the end of like two days when i was like finally like waking up from us i was like okay i get it like i get it was like i was like i just woke up and was like fine and um it was so weird because i had already had in place like this is very aqueous of me

like very mentally had already planned behind the scenes of my brain like all the sort of things I was going to like I knew the creator on TikTok I was going to DM real quick to be like hey I remember like you posting about quitting drinking and like I just want to touch bit you know just like little things where I was like oh I can go back to her content and see like remind myself with like the tips that she had posted and you know and I like texted blaze and said just get rid of all the alcohol no questions asked you know and I don't know it just suddenly happened very uh aggressively and I guess whether it was just a coincidence or not, I said like, I give up. I can't figure it out.

And I said, just take the wheel. And it fucking did. And it spent my life into quite a spiral in a good way, bad way, all the ways. I think it's like the, I pulled the tower card like three days in a row during that. And I was like, oh shit. Like everything's just falling apart. Wow. Oh my gosh.

In like a good way. How do you feel? Well, my crones went crazy. I got like really sick. It was like my hormones were out of because I'd been drinking so much for so long that it just got to a point where I was like, oh, my body's not. Yeah. My body was like what's happening? Like you've put us into shock. And it was it was just very bizarre. And like I always knew that one day I would stop drinking. I just didn't know when. And I was like, I'm not going to do it till I'm ready. And like I knew no one else could tell me to do it. So it was. So it was. sort of like I had to make a call and I remember thinking I have to like now or never basically like it's it I just have to do it and um yeah it was I initially said I'll just try it out but I think like pretty immediately was like okay I know that I had to do that um I have been reliant on THC especially for sleep so you know I'm not like stone cold sober um and I still have uh you know I still have a good time at weddings and stuff but like The drinking man, I think it was just starting. I'm getting old, you know, I was just starting to, and I don't want anyone to feel discouraged because, like, when I would hear people talk about, like, quitting drinking, it, like, really triggered me about, like, when I was drinking a lot.

And so I don't really. Yeah, because it was like, I should, I know I should be doing that. But, like, you know, you kind of, like, get this, like, ugh. I had no idea. Wow. There's something validating about other people drinking, right? Because it's like, okay, especially people you follow. Like, if you're drinking and you don't feel.

necessarily, at least for me, I didn't necessarily feel comfortable with my drinking, but I was like comforted by watching other people drink and being like, it's normal, like to be a mom who drink, you know, and there were all these things where I would like just normalize it in my own head to kind of avoid looking at it closer. And then, so I don't want anyone to feel like that because it, at least for me, I was like, it's only going to happen when I'm ready. And I guess I was ready. I didn't think I was ready. But my body was like, we're done. Wow. That's awesome. It was crazy. And ever since then, I mean, I started watercoloring. I do fucking chie gong.

That was the week I started like, I started like, I started all these things to be like. To distract yourself? Yeah, a little bit or just it was almost like I like this fog kind of lifted and I was like, oh, I'm finding dopamine elsewhere. Like I think I had just dulled so much of my own self that like I didn't realize what was fun anymore. And it was like relearning. Like I didn't have an appetite. I still don't have an appetite and like I can only eat like crackers. Like it's so weird.

It's like everything has been topsy-turvy. Weird. And I haven't really talked about on the podcast just because it's like. Well, it's personal. Yeah. Well, it's personal. And we usually record during the day and like early day anyway. So it's like, you know, this didn't seem like it didn't come up.

But, and I also wanted to like know that it was official before I like said anything, you know. I was going to say, does this make you feel nervous? I like this is going to. No. I mean, do you? I'm telling you if I'm being insensitive. No, I'm bringing it to the table as an open subject. Do you miss it at all?

What? That's a great question. At first, like horribly. And it was sort of like, there was a lot of grief because it was like, oh, I just don't get to be that person that like walks up to Jerry's jug

house, like our local bar and grab a beer, you know, like it's just like there are little things that like, not that I ever really did that, but they're, you tell yourself these stories or you have these like ideas in your head of like, oh, one day I'll go to like Spain and drink

real Spanish wine. And it's like, you know, part of me is like, you can still do that. Like nobody's making you not do that, you know? Right. You can still do that. And it's not the end of the world. But also we'll get there when we get there, like one day at a time, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And it's been a big learning curve. I mean, I can also see it like, it's certainly a grief. I mean, you're losing your current or was your current identity. I mean, you have to like we learn what's fun, or what's fun about you or what you like doing outside of that. It's amazing. I don't like going to bars anymore.

Isn't that shocking? Really? That's like the least shocking thing ever that people don't like going to bars when they quid. Obviously, like, you must be so bored at a VARM. I'm used to people wanting to go, so I just go. But I mean, I'm not having the fun they're having, though. Yeah, it's sort of like you really have to get to a point where you're like, am I, having fun no it was a more of a it became way more of a and I you know I had to kind of like come

clean to blaze like I was like I was drinking more than I intended to I realized it was like so much shame around it also when I quit drinking I didn't realize how much space it took up in my brain like actual active thinking because it would be like oh well when can I drive and like I'd be calculating hours and like oh what time would that end and then I'll come home and have a beer like it just was like constantly in the back of my head. And, um, you know, some people can have a healthy relationship with alcohol. I think I'm just not that person. Or maybe I, you know, maybe I thought I was.

Maybe I can and I just am choosing not to any try anymore. But it was taking up a lot of brain space. Um, and a lot of it was like, like, one of the earliest things that really convinced me like, oh, this is the best possible thing is that Leon and I were doing bedtime one night and she fell and like just scraped her knee or hit her head or something like minor right like just oh you fell it's just like a bunk yeah and like the like the immediate shame and fear that took over and then I went what is that and then I went oh my god normally I'd be drinking and I would have thought to myself shit was I not paying attention was I like you know to buzz to like be looking

and it's like no I was completely completely sober she fell she scraped her knee and I was like wow So I'm carrying like so much weird personalized like internalized shit. And then she got up and played and I was like I would have been sitting here like, oh my God. Like I might it's almost like I just peeled off this like very toxic layer off my life that was fun and had its time. But now is like just doing more harm than good. Wow.

Well, I mean, you do realize how many people you've probably just helped by talking about it. I mean, I want to at least. be open about it because it's fucking horrible. I think you're about to accidentally get an influx of messages. It's so hard. It's so hard. And like I've, I've not been like super vocal about it.

Like I post, I've been posting more on Instagram. I'm really trying to like get a feel for, this is like kind of corny, but like a feel for myself back. And I think that's why like all these random like jujitsu and things. I did not plan any of this. And I didn't.

It all happened so fast. It was almost like I pulled one like jenga. piece and everything kind of like collapsed, but like rebuilt very quickly. It was like I pulled that piece out and suddenly I'm like seeing a trainer for like diaphragmatic breathing, which is like completely changing my anxiety levels. And I'm like going to jujitsu with Blaz and Leona every other day. Like just for fun because he said why not. Like I don't know. A lot of things have just opened up that I think I needed to let that go. And I got to a point where I knew I needed to let go, but I was holding on so tight that I was like, I basically told the universe like fucking do it you have to do it for me and it felt like it got

pride out of me. I'll tell you what. It felt like it got pride out of me. But like now that it's gone, I'm like, okay, I feel better. So if you're out there and you're struggling, me too and also a lot of us too and also don't feel ashamed if you need like, I mean, I'm not a doctor, but, uh, you know, I've used THC regularly to help, uh, at least get through this period. And, you know, eventually that might be something I hopefully look closer at as well. But at this point, it's sort of like, let me get through this chapter of it. Um, and yeah, so don't feel, you know, ashamed. But yeah, feel free to DM me if you, if you want to. Um, and again, I don't want anyone to feel like discouraged or whatever. I don't know. It's like, it's also hard because it's like nine

years of my literal, like, job identity, too, you know. Yeah. So what you're saying is your team milkshake now. Sure. That's crazy. I'll be, how about I, we finally have a pothead on the show. How about that? I'll become the loyal stoner.

And that's why we don't drink. Yeah. That's why we smoke. Yeah. And I just, I don't know. There's just something very, very, that has naturally very much, like, opened up in, um, in like the, in my intro, like, in, in, finding joy other places, you know, and having kind of more openness and feeling more

in my body. So yeah, anyway, I felt like that was either going to come up sometime or not. And I said, you know what? If it comes up, it comes up. And we said, hey, let's talk about astrology. And here I go. Oh my gosh. Probably derailing. But anyway, so that's, that's my update. I post more about it on Instagram because I'm just trying to keep that more my, you know, personal life. But I don't know. I feel like I'm kind of coming out from under a rock, you know. Not a bruise. A huge bruise. That is also part of why I'm a walking bruise because it is so much easier to just numb yourself out, dude. It is so much easier. I believe it. And I don't think I would have ever been able to climb out of that, which is why I avoided it.

I know I would not. The struggle would be very tough. So that's, that's, I am, I'm very proud of you. And also selfishly, this, this works out really well for me because now you and I could literally finally go drink together because you, you, we would have mocktails together. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's shocking. It's shocking because I'm like, I've never understood your plight until now. It's like, never really.

really understood. No, no, no, no, no, no, but it's true. Like, I'm like, oh, m.g. But I will say I waited long enough that there are some very good non-alcoholic beers. I never thought I would be a non-alcoholic beer person. But there's something at like that certain time when it's like kind of hot out and I'm like, I'm thirsty and I want a beer. And it's like it, I think my brain are just dumb.

They're dumb animal brains, right? So like you really can. Oh, and there's an app called Reframe that, that I will also recommend highly. it's not an ad, but Reframe app has like completely helped me look at the science of drinking. And I think that was what really, I knew whenever, I knew whenever the day came that I quit drinking that I would need to look at the evidence to really convince myself like, oh shit. Because I knew it was there, but I was like, I'm not going to look at it. No, no. The mirror is the hardest part to look at it.

Yeah, exactly. It was the mirror. It was a mirror. And the universe was like, here's a giant mirror, a fun house one. Well, I mean, truly, next time you need a fun little drink and you, an FLD, and you don't know what to do, I literally have 30 now, as of this week, 34 years of experience of all the fun things I could pass along to you. As of this week, I'm so proud of you. And I'm proud of us. The Rasmums are going to be incredible.

The Rasmus. Yeah, I've gotten into some, some match. Remember when I was drinking macha? Oh, yeah. I'm like, I don't know. This is all new to me. Like, I'm literally, I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm, kind of a kid again like I'm like experiencing things literally like I it's the only it's the only

way I can um relate to this personally but like the amount of mixing of juices you're about to do is going to blow your fucking mind listen I can't wait and I think Leona is like on board for the ride yeah you and Leona can do like kitty drinking together yeah like tea parties galore yeah when well summer's right around the corner in Trader Joe's do you have a Trader Joe's near you I do. I'll send you some stuff because there's, I would love that. There's one that it's my favorite drink, but it's like seasonal stuff that only Trader Joe sells. So when it happens, we'll have to make it together on the show.

Yes, that would be fun. Oh, we do. Oh. We could do like, and that's why we drink and actually do like mocktail recommendations back and for. And finally, I can tell you. Oh, no. I know. Finally, you can suggest drinks to me and I can tell you, as the expert here, you're not going to want to have that one.

Tell me. how to do it. Tell me how to live. Sorry. That's not what I mean by it. No, tell me how to live my life. Finally, we can relate a little differently. I can at least, um, I'm getting it though, because like, I'm understanding. I'm like, oh, it is fun to just go try something and take a class and learn something. Like, I don't know. I just feel like I've gotten a renewed, um, appreciation. But also like a lot of things have been like upheaval, you know, like it's almost like also I cut that out and it's like, oh, now

everything's different in my family. Not everything's different, but like I relate to life differently. I relate to family dinner differently. I relate to birthdays and events. Well, your whole life is you have to, you have, you're rewriting how you operate under every circumstance. Right. It feels like I've just been like, kind of reassembled. And so it's very kind of maddening, but also exciting. So I've been posting a lot, but sometimes I'm like, I'll like post something where I'm like, this is fucking hilarious and it's so me. And then I'll share it and like, four hours later. I'm like, what does this even meet? Like, what am I doing? I don't know. I feel like I'm just kind of like experimenting with things. So it's kind of fun. Yeah, it's like fun. And,

and, and I had resigned myself. I told myself, I, there is no way in hell I'm going to ever quit drinking. I was like, there's just like not possible. And I remember thinking there was a point in my life was so dark. I'm sorry. But this is probably when my tourist, uh, trainer was like, you got to say that in therapy. Please. Not here. I like how this is therapy. I mean, whatever. This is, okay, It's our birthday. No, I think the thing that really struck me afterward was like, I remember being in the kitchen and being like, well, this is a generational pattern that like Leon is going to have to break, not me.

Like, I can't do it. And I was like, unfortunately. I don't think you're alone in having thought something like that. It's really scary. And like, it's one of those things where like afterward, it's like, oh, I just like want to hug myself. But at the time, I was like, oh, my God, I was like beating myself up and being so cruel. And I think like just be you gentle with yourself, even if you are feeling like you're doing everything wrong.

It's it's hard. It's so hard to be a human, okay? Yeah. It's hard to not rely on. Especially when the system is against you. Totally. And they want you to be drinking and doing, you know, they want it's like they, you know, but like it's just easier to numb out, right? Like it is.

Absolutely. Especially when like it's so glamorized that this is the way to cope and this is the way to be so. And if you don't do, I mean, there's a, there's a very big reason. There's many reasons. But one of the reasons why a lot of people don't quit is because they're like, well, then what else is there? And which feels dark. But I mean, it's like, I always thought. I was like, what's the point even? Yeah. It's like, this is how I operate in this situation, this situation, this situation. And it's a big ask to take someone's play thing away and completely reinvent themselves. Totally. And it's like, it's like for why, for what? And like, that was always my thing. And so when it like kind of happened, I was like, I need to know for why for what. And. And And I feel like that app especially was so helpful because every day would be like, well, it knows your dopamine is low. So it's like fucking ready to like hit you wherever or help you wherever you need to like deal with that. But then it also is so helpful because it'll be like, hey, it's been five days and this means like the inflammation is down by this much or like, you know, so it's very like cerebral, which I appreciate and kind of like shows you the literal physical evidence of like, hey, your sleep is better. your, you know, my aura ring is like, wow, what's happening? And I'm like, shut up. Yeah, yeah. Shut up. I know. You know. And it's, but it took a long time. And sometimes you just got to wade it out for your nervous system to be ready. But like, damn.

No, that's a journey. Your journey. I mean, I'm just, I'm sure people are super happy that you're talking about it. I hope so. And like, if you're out there and you're like, I couldn't do that. Well, I couldn't either. So I don't know, man. I mean, if I can do it, you can do it, believe it or not. I mean, no pressure. Somebody has probably taken everything you just said as like a sign or, or, who knows. It's so funny is the day I quit drinking. I was like, I want signs every fucking five seconds. I would open my thing and it was like, how to stop?

And I was like, fine. It's like, I need a different sign. I need a different sign. It's like, that's not specific enough. And it's like, here's a sign from your guardian angel that you should stop drinking. I'm like, hmm, it still doesn't quite do it for me. It's like, really specific. But yeah. Well, when is your 100th day then?

I have no idea. Well, today's, what, 82? 82. I was so, like, counting every minute for a while. And then it sort of just... That's going to be a good sign of growth that, like, now you're not looking at the time. Yeah, I couldn't even find the, find the app at first, which was kind of shocking. But yeah, so I guess I have 18 more days and then it'll be 100. How are you going to celebrate? Go drinking. Get wasted. Yeah. Oh, geez. Yeah. You know, maybe. No, you never know.

juice box. Juice boxes. Get high on life, you know. Yeah. Get high on the marijuana. I don't know. There's a... Well, go do something.

I mean, there's a... Look, because the world is ass, even if you're like, oh, I'm in such a good place, I don't really feel like I need to celebrate. That aside, like, any time that this shithole world gives you a reason to, like, just be whimsical. Like, just take it. Just take it. I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it. I'm going to plan my hundredth. I've gotten myself a lot of treats because it's just been. very healing to be like but then it's also like oh I lost my yoga mat years ago and I was too embarrassed to like go get it back from the yoga studio so like I'll go to yoga this week and after two weeks I bought myself a new yoga mat you know like I've been very so it's if it sounds so corny because it's like I didn't do any of it on purpose really I didn't it sounds like I did but I also want to say like if you feel like so stuck literally ask the universe be prepared to get

fucking thrown on your ass but like they'll it'll pick you back up yeah No, the world adapts with you. Yeah, it'll kick your ass, but it'll help you up. But so, yeah, if you ever need, yeah, feel free to reach out on Instagram. Or that's usually, I mean, I still have a hard time finding, responding. Reach out and maybe you'll get a response. You never know. Maybe one day when I'm feeling whimsical.

Well, speaking for everybody, we're all very proud of you. I know it's not what you're, dare I feel like I'm placating you. No, you're not placating me. No, no. I believe you. I don't feel the way. I mean when people are placating me, then I'm like, don't placating me, but I know you're not placating me. But no, we're all very proud of you. Thank you. That's a long, that's a long time. That's a long time. Thank you. I'm shocked by the number. It really is like shocking that I'm approaching 100. But it does get easier. I will say like almost immediately within a couple days, it was like the grip of it was gone, or not gone, but at least like way lower. Yeah. So in the moment, it feels like there's no

possible way. Like your body is like, we actually don't know how to live without this. And you're like, so it's like a real thing. And by the way, your brain is, your brain is tricking you. If you're, it's telling you things. I used to Google is my brain tricking you. And it was like, yes, your brain is literally tricking you because you get dopamine from this. And it's like, do it again. Nothing else will do. Nothing else will do. Of course. Well, especially the confirmation bias of, well, last time it made me feel a lot better. So. And why don't we just do that again? Yeah. And it's like easy. And, you know, so don't beat yourself up. It's hard. if I can do it, you can do it.

Very proud of you. Thank you. And also, I know it's like gotten kind of lost in the sauce at this point, but well done on the discussion about horoscopes as well. I know, right? I'm like, this, I swear to God, this was not even. And by the way, folks, for next week, because I was like, I think I'm just going to do the astrology today because we already have a long episode. But I do actually have a topic for next week on two criminals called the Gemini. twins. Okay. So we can get to that. Next week's off, but the week after it'll be,

we'll probably be leaving Gemini season. It'll be the perfect time for me to force more Gemini talk into the ether. Well, the plot twist is that we're the Gemini twins. And we haven't actually committed the crime yet. So we have to go do that before we can report on it. We better do it soon. Yeah. Well, I've got some time on our birthdays. So excellent. Yeah. Okay, you guys have to be our alibis. Oh, well, I'm proud to you, Christine. And happy birthday. next time I talk to you, you'll be 35. So elderly, half of 70. Oh, wow.

Okay. Sorry to ruin everyone's day. Wow, I want to die. I almost said that earlier when you talked about Alaska and I was like, zip it, zip it. I hate fun. I hate fun. And now I just, it burst out. I'm sorry.

Well, anyone, if you would have come to Alaska, you have a year to plan it. See you in June and June now. And that's why. We don't. Don't. Drink. Good one.