And That's Why We Drink - E486 Bisexual Muscle Tanks and a Mother Goose Ghost

Episode Date: June 14, 2026

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So you can lock in that discount on your monthly supply. Go to hellobatch.com slash drink and use code drink at checkout. welcome to and that's why we drink starring christine and the court jester m wow i only say court jester because i i just finished up looking at my notes and a court jester is involved so they're very on really very on my mind right now well i was thinking about the notion of clowns anyway but That works too. Yeah. That works too. I was thinking of like, like, Gemini's being like funny, but kind of like that's not all they are, you know. Thank you. What would you say last time? We contained multitudes.

Oh my God. Yeah. Let's talk about that again. Yeah. Everyone who just listened to the last episode and is like going through these in order is like not, no, I just, we just did this. Let's pick another astrological sign and talk about it for a half an hour. Please, God. Keep all of it in. Please don't. I mean, it's really insufferable. I know. I know. Well, tell me, Christine, how is your little life going on over there? I got to say, things are in upheaval.

I mean, I think it's just one of those years where we hit June and everybody, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. But in my, from my perspective, we hit June and I went, wasn't, wasn't stuff supposed to get, like, resolved and, like, put into place and, like, wasn't justice, like, with the bigger picture of the, the government in the world. Like, weren't we supposed to get. moving and get things were and it's like how are we halfway through the year and I still feel like this year's kicking my ass like last year did yeah um but I don't know part of me feels like June is kind of like the like we're like getting back like I feel like kind of take a breath again I don't know there's something like yeah there's something like a shift to the second half of the year I don't know that's that's that's making me feel a bit calmer about that but um what I will say is that I uh

have a beverage here today um a special one I mean And it's it's my new favorite thing. And it's, um, tell me. I should, I shouldn't be ordering this multiple times a week because it is expensive. Um, but it is a green firm jucery. Um, it's a morning jolt. Oh. And my friend Izzy and I go for like mom walks sometimes on Mondays and she walks me to that place and I get

that. And we did that yesterday. And then today it's all I could think about all morning. And so I had to get another one. I get. I mean, there's a reason. And I have way too many London fogs sent out to the house. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And it's like it was like $12 and I was like, oh, way. But you know what? I am not. I'm struggling with my appetite lately. Well, by the way, as a side note, the reason I drink is I hadn't really looked at my DMs. And then the episode came out Sunday. And I know a lot of people probably rightfully so skipped my half because it was just about astrology.

It wasn't like true crime astrology. but it wasn't like, you know, a story. So I know some people probably weren't into that. But I did discuss my recent sobriety. And so for those who were confused about what I'm going to say in a moment, that's what happened in the last episode. Nearing the end, you can catch up on that. But a lot of people wrote me and you had said that. And I was like, yeah, maybe.

But like, I really feel very touched by the amount of people who reached out and had similar stories or just like, I mean, even what was, most touching were people who were like, I, like you said, like I was waiting for some sign or something to push me in the right direction and like that was it. Or, you know, you really spoke to a part of me. I wasn't, I was neglect. I don't know. There were a lot of really just kind and grateful sentiments that, um, that really, uh, were lovely to read. And I have not gotten back to all of them. I've, I've responded to a few. Um, and I do plan to go through them. But that's going to probably be like a, know, a process of like taking my time and going through each one individually. But so anyway, I bought my warning jolt.

That was my little special FLT for today. And that's why I drink. So cheers. Is that why you drink also? Tea milkshate. Oh my God. It's like tea milkshake. Holy shit.

And I don't know what to call this show anymore. That's why. Fuck. But also that I can confirm, are you drinking something right now? Actually, I think we did that on purpose. We were like, that's good for anybody. Because you never drank during the show. So it's like, oh, it covers both.

So I'm just defecting. Just drinking calories, period. We never defined what we were drinking specifically. Actually, we did. Like often, we defined often. But, you know, it was always changing. I choose to rebuke that, actually, just because it doesn't fit my current narrative. Are you matching your fucking drink?

Matches my NPR crop top. Literally. By the way, NPR. our crom top it gives bisexual so happy pride everybody um i know i know by the way it's the most bisexual shirt i own of course i literally a muscle tea like okay jiu jitsu one time i know and then i buy like my $11 smoothie and i'm like who are you oh my god and i live in kentucky so it's like way more affordable than doing this in l.a like some people do sure that drink would be 2999 yeah yeah i don't have any sort of no that's not happening but yeah that well to be fair though they have a bunch

a different straws. So they sent this one. They picked it. They must have known. They said, I bet a big old bisexual is going to be is going to be in their orange blue crop top muscle seat. How could they have known? Literally, the fact that your biceps, your tattooed biceps are showing, it is pride and she is loud today, everybody. Are you okay? I thought you were choking on your drink. Okay. I was. Oh, I don't get it twisted. I was. Um, yes, happy pride to everybody. By the time this comes out, it has pride for probably a little bit. But for us, we're only on day two of pride. So we're, I know, you know, this comes out later, but you're right. Like our energy right now is so very Gemini.

And I feel like it'll like blast through the airwaves when this comes out, even though we'll probably be nearing cancer season, if not in it already. So I'm sorry. Say it ain't. So, but like, yeah, we're on one. And we are one to two, 24 to 48 hours, respectively from our birthdays right now. So, you know. That's exactly right.

It like this is the, I would argue this is the most, a spiritually energetic weekend of the year for us. It's like, yeah, yeah. The gays are happy. Our birthday's about to happen. Like, what else could there be? There's like this terrible synergy. It's great for us, but terrible for everyone else.

Agreed. Like mentally unwell and like, you know, feeding each other's mental illness. Like a cartoon drawing of a twister is coming through. Totally. Totally. Acme level style. We so, you know, we so. You get it. Happy pride. Uh, well, I'm happy for you and your little jolt. I take it. There's coffee of that. If it's called jolt. Oh, of course, cold brew. And it feels so good. You could feel it coursing through your big by veins. You know, it's no fucking wine.

But hey, you know, you lose some and you lose some. So here we are. Well, uh, what, what do I have to say over here? I drink, I drink a can of A-Z. Which, we both have really delightful, like, aesthetic drinks today. I like this. My favorite thing about this. And by the way, let me tell you now,

let me guide you on your journey through sobriety. This is now. Please do. I've been waiting for someone to. Welcome to drinking 101. This is your now. This is your tall boy. This is the closest thing to tall boys you get.

You get Arizona green teas. Okay. You know, I'll take it. It's pretty fucking great. I have found that quitting drinking has brought me back to a lot of my teenage interests, right? Because it's like before I started drinking. Like, I loved Arizona. Like that was what Celine and I would go get every day.

And it's like, oh, I can go back to those things. They're still there waiting for me. I'm the prodigal. It's all. And Jesus has arrived. Do you see how quickly I escalate to like a God complex? It's kind of amazing. You literally warned people just now that something was in the air.

And then you called yourself Jesus and you expect people to be shocked. I mean, I told you. I tried to warn you. And I'm fine with that. I notice how you said that you're the prodigal son and I didn't fucking say anything. You're exactly right. That's right. And you were right to do that.

Thank you. No, I totally agree with you. You worded it in a way that I wouldn't have thought of it. But you're totally right that by having never drank, I have all, I still have the and you now also have the childhood whimsy back. Yeah, there's like a reclaiming of the whimsy. Yeah. This was the closest to like getting fucked up we could do at 16.

And it's like, well, now I get to get fucked up on it. Well, actually, it wasn't, but it was as far as I knew. What a wine cooler. Right. Like, I don't know. I'm like, there were kids doing stuff, but not me. Yeah, I was getting fucked up on the iced tea and going, I can't sleep because I had too much caffeine. And I can do that with your jolt as well.

Oh my God. Yeah, exactly. That's my vice. Well, okay, so I drink my tall boy and I just took my meds. So everybody please take your meds. Oh, fantastic. Oh, I said I'm done right on time today for the first time in weeks and I felt like I was like, I'm aligned, you know? Yeah.

You start with I'm Jesus and then you went, my chakras are aligned because I took my prescribed medication. I took it for one time at the exact right time. Yeah. And you know what? It was a beautiful moment. I believe you. I do know what it feels like when your body is actually responding well to your choices. That feels good.

Yeah, it's because it's a little bit of in shock. And then it's like, can I get used to this? And you're like, mm, careful. Hang on. Not yet. Not yet. Well, the reason I drink is Allison took me. I already celebrated my birthday this weekend.

Oh, yes. Where did you go? Okay. We went to a little town a few hours away. I was scared because I just never know what's going to happen. when I hear a long road trip. We have prior experience. And I even asked in advance, I was like,

will there be a hotel? Because sometimes it's the ground. And I went, is there a hotel? And even that... Is it a bring your own pillow? Thank you. B. YOP. Yeah.

And Allison was hesitating. And I was like, girl, please don't make me sleep on the ground for my birthday. Please don't do this. Allison fucking nailed it. This is what happened. But she,

the reason she was hesitant is because what she was trying to avoid was that this was a bit of like a themed motel situation. So she can't really say anything. Oh. So it was like two, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get you, get you, get you. So we went to Idol Wild, which is about three hours from us. And you have heard about Idol Wild before because I've told you that there's a certain mayor there I've always wanted to meet. I have heard of Idol Wild.

In fact, I had not, I, oh, the law. The paw is the law. The paw is the law. This is Mayor Max when he was a puppy. And I got to meet the mayor. idle wild. You know what? So first of all, I'm so, this is the, I, my brain is a little bit short-circuiting. That's remarkable. Nailed it. Out of the park. Knocked it out of the fucking park. She found out that Mayor Max was having a event, a meet and greet. And then we drove three hours to meet a dog. We couldn't

tell Hank, of course. That would have been so devastating to him. Oh, my word. No. So we were going to go see the other cutie pie. But we, I got to meet him in his whole little gang because if you follow Mayor Max, you know that it's not just Mayor Max. There's also Vice Mayor Meadow. There's co-mayor Mitzie.

There's deputies. There's all these puppies everywhere. Just a golden retriever party. And so we got there. Mayor Max was in his cowboy hat and his bib, his little bandana. Stop. Said Mayor Max, of course.

Of course. We got to take so many pictures with him. I got to touch his ears. And I'll tell you, thick as thieves those ears thick oh my god I love it I love it we were trying to come up with

I never felt a thicker dog ear which is such a weird thing to take away from this so velvety soft all I wanted to do here you're mayor max this is all I wanted to do to marry mayor you know what I mean yes but I wasn't going to do that to the mayor so I just kind of gave him a pet

grabbed his little ear and said hello and that's what you would do to any other mayor that's what I did to you when we first met That's right. And that's when I said, All right. Got to sign up for this. Sign me up. Whatever it is, I'm in. But I would do that to any mayor. You're right. And I was shocked. There wasn't a shirt that said, like, I got to kiss the mayor or I touched the mayor's really thick ear. The mayor kissed me. The mayor licked me. You know, there's so many options.

So many. I scratched the mayor's butt. I rub the mayor's tummy. I mean, did they just asking for a friend, did they sell any crop muscle tape that if you look vaguely bisexual and Heather. in appearance. In acid wash, yeah. Yeah, acid wash aethered appearance. Like, it looks like it's thrifted, but it's obviously not. You know, so they had,

I was expecting to get a shirt as soon as I found out that I was seeing Mayor Max because I've looked, they do have shirts on the website and I always almost bought a shirt. And then they didn't have any shirts there. They only had magnets and stickers.

Obviously, I bought one of each. And then I got the hat. Pause the law. I bet the shirts are hard because you would need like different sizing you wouldn't know. Yeah. So anyway, we did that.

And while we were in Idol Wild, we ended up spending the night there. And that's when Allison sent me to this, like, out of control, insane, wonderful motel called Hicksville Pines. Ooh. I need you to Google her. Okay. Okay.

I was hoping you'd say that. So there's, like, ten different rooms or something. Each of them are themed. We got Haunted Mansion, which was so fun. Shut the fuck up. And, like, our bathroom. a secret passageway to get to the bathroom and the walls had like the stretching wall that you have at the haunted mansion and Disney.

Get out of here. They had the statues and they all glowed at night and played music and stuff. The haunted mansion? Oh my God. It looks so cool. It was very cool. And that place they also had like a dolly themed room. They had a 420 thing room.

Okay, I'm going to the 420 room. Oh. It's literally just like an A frame full of black light posters. I'm actually just going to Pinterest this real quick. for just like home estate. I don't know if you notice, but it's called a bud in breakfast, not a bed in breakfast. And so when you get there and they give you your room cake, they also give you complimentary pot. Wait, what?

She literally was like, oh, I forgot your weed and just handed us a bunch of weed. And you're sure it wasn't like a weed from Idlewild? That would be funny. Here's just like a piece of grass. No. Oh, wow. That's, I like that there's a what to expect. And I'm like, usually you wouldn't click that, but it sounds like a place like this.

You got to click what to expect. It was incredibly 420. friendly friendly, incredibly dog friendly. Breakfast coffee and tea morning munchies. Yes. So the breakfast that we had, it's a marijuana leaf. I was so stupid. It didn't occur to me. I was like, oh my God, Canada. Like I literally, I just

thought it was a fucking maple leaf. I thought it was a maple leaf. It didn't occur to me that it was green. And then the candle that they gave me because it was my birthday, they made it look like a little joint sticking out of it. It was very. Oh my God, that's adorable. So it was we obviously are not. This looks cool.

We're not smokers, but it was so we weren't there for that theme but it was still super cool and they had a whole um they had a communal uh fire pit house so you could all sit in there and have a fire they had a hot tub they had cornhole they had ping pong they had a whole like wreck area that was open 24 7 so you could play any games in a jukebox and lovely it was very very wonderful um so anyway alison nailed it we did that we um hit some like uh route 66 roadside attractions along the way um um went to the original McDonald's. Nice.

Went to a glass museum, saw some uranium glass. Not a single celery vase in that glass museum that I saw. Yeah. Shocking. Weird. Anyway, so Allison killed it. I got to meet the mayor. I'm so happy for you.

That is literally a bucket list item. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you. So if anyone's ever in idle wild, they also have one in Joshua Tree, I think. But Hicksville Pines, I just want to give them a big shout out because it was awesome. Yeah, I mean, I'm in for the four-twil.

20 room sounds fun or for all of it. Yeah. They also have like a nerd themed one which sounded cool. Anyway, um, yeah, that's why I drank. I had a very nice B-day and that's about it over here.

Um, so yeah, I don't know. I guess we just tell stories now. I don't know. Oh, wait, you wanted to say, you wanted to tease a yappy hour situation.

Oh, that's right. Okay. What were we talking about? Oh, you asked. remind me what I was going to tease about. No.

So you had said we were doing an ad for Storyworth and off air, you kind of said to me, oh, I would send this to you and ask a question, like, fill in your own question, and ask you to me tell the story of your stepmom buying the bear. And I said, well, and I realized, oh, my gosh, this would be perfect for Yappy Hour because I actually think I can find the news articles that actually mention it and talk about the event in the local news from from that from that time period so I'm going to try and do that during the app hour and pull up like actual news articles um not to prove it but just to be like this is the context of what happened and I don't know all of it either so like I could learn a thing or too but so yeah my

stepmom bought a bear sorry if you're like what the fuck is going on I am too but or M is too but my stepmother bought a bear or my son mother bought a bear when they were in a catalog yeah when they were kids sorry when they were kids and I know we've talked about it before but I was like yeah if when we were talking about story worth, I was like, if I want a story memorialized at all, because I constantly forget the nitty, gritty details. I want. Yeah, we want to know. We want to solid. We want to solid. We want to solidify this. We want to get this in writing. Yes. Yeah. That's exactly right. And I'm, and I'm, and I'm so thankful that you brought that up. So I'm going to look, I've been meaning to look into the news articles for like years. And I'm pretty sure they're, they're on the in the

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I'm not even going to try it. Well, I did. I'm not going to do it again, though. So. I thought that was pretty good, but I'm the one who said Glasgow instead of Glasgow. So it's okay. We're evenly matched. We've both said very silly things, haven't we?

Super silly, super silly. I remember one time we had a show. I think it was in, was it Minnesota. And I remember saying, Wabasha Caves and apparently was Wabashaw or something. And the whole audience screamed, Wabashah! I'm like, ah! So in the moment, it is probably the worst.

It is like a living. Stupidest person on earth. Everyone's screaming at you. It's like a nightmare where you've like forgotten your lines on stage, but the audience is suddenly shouting. and they're also drunk and you're like, and they know the line's better than you. And they know the line, right.

Well, okay, so this is an Irish castle. It's called the Malahide Castle. And let's crack into it. That was good. Now, that was nice. Okay. That was a really good one. Just another reason that we are big AZ fans over here.

Yeah, I love that. Okay, so Ireland. We're in the Dublin area. And this is a 12th century castle owned by the Talbot family. And they've owned this castle for almost 800 years. Oh, Jesus. Wow. That, that's how about inheritance.

Real quick. Also, side note before people, like, tweeted me, it might be too late. And also, I don't have, I got locked out of Twitter and it doesn't even exist. So I don't know why I'm saying that. But, yeah, I know Glasgow is in, in Scotland. Just saying that. Okay. But when I gave that example, I meant, like, as someone who does.

doesn't know how to pronounce even like very obvious things. Sorry, I just realized like it made it sound like I don't, I know, I know one or two things sometimes. Okay. Sometimes. I promise. But not always. But it's okay. I'm really trying. We can't be experts in every field. It's exhausting to do that. Trust me. Only a few, but we've tried. Uh, so the Talbets have owned, or they, they owned this castle for almost 800 years. And when I say almost, I mean 791. Why the fuck didn't you live here for nine more years? Do you think that killed them? Because because someone like me was like, no, I think it's funnier to. just leave right before 800.

Wow. And it really pissed you right off. That was us in a pastime. I feel it in my bones. That was us. I was like, actually, I'm going to make the lease end like two days before the 800. Truly, I'm just like, you were so close. That's hilarious.

At that point, shit. Like, why not just stay 200 more years and it's a thousand years? Like, what? Well, you know, you're right. Why not just like perpetuate this responsibility through a couple more generations? Thank you. So that just you now in this moment can go. thousand years sounds pretty good

I'm so glad you saw it that way that's exactly what I meant so the Talbets they lived for 7991 years they lived in this castle up until the 1970s so like very recently holy Christo so they really just had to oh I was going to say they had to make it to the year 2000 then I went Christine I need to get it together you need to actually well they only need to make it to the 1980s to make it to be quiet to make it okay no what

yeah with oh yeah okay Exactly. Why couldn't you just do this for me? God. Hang on. What's the matter with you? Thank you. I finally. Okay. So they lived in this castle up until the 1970s when they sold it to the Irish government to pay off inheritance taxes. Oh. Whoopsies. So they were like, well, maybe my ancestors should have thought about that before saddling us with all this tremendous debt. Eight hundred years of inheritance taxes. So they're almost 800 year. Eighth ownership of the property. makes the Talbot family one of, if not the, longest continual landowning families in Ireland. Jeez. Which I should have looked this up, but who has lived there longer? Because, like, I feel like they win. Like, the fact that they're one of is, like, who else is there? I know.

Talbitt's Jay Jill? Jay Jill? What are you saying to me? IDK by BFF Jill Talbot, who owns a castle? I keep flopping. My jokes have been flopping all week. And I think it's because Mercury is in cancer and it makes me think that like my I'm saying what I'm saying and I'm not. Okay.

What I was trying to say is, do you remember that store called Jay Jill? No, I've never heard of Jay Jill. Oh, well, it's like Talbitt's the store, the women's store. That would have been hysterical if I knew what Jay Jill was. That would have been funny. Somebody did, hopefully, but the other, I couldn't think of another example. Like White House Black Market, J.Crew is good too, but I meant Jay Jill. Ann Taylor is a better one. I should have said Ann Taylor.

What's the other one? Clay. Yeah, there's one of the C. Whatever. Talbitt's, Jay Jill is a very funny joke. I just didn't know the reference. No, I appreciate that you still laughed, though. I mean, you really did laugh because you were like, I bet it's funny. I just don't know what that is.

So thank you for giving me that grace. I don't think you've ever flopped. It's truly any time I haven't understood when your jokes is, it's on me. It's not because you're not funny. Can I tell you the joke that flopped, which because like I've now gotten kind of my brother was I felt on my side. And then I think he defected because I asked him to verify that he was on my side

in front of Blaze. And then he kind of like, yeah, it was a problem. You switch kind of to Blaze's side. And I felt a little bit like, hey, guys. The extra kick in the crotch there is that like he was like ready to be loyal to whatever the fuck was going on. And then you still publicly went, now prove it. And he's like, I just tried to prove it. And that's my dumb fucking I can't shut the fuck up.

It's true. He was like, I was going to help you out, man. He was like, I gave you the validation you sought. Okay. And now don't make me like get involved in an argument between you and your husband about whether you're funny or not. Like just fucking come on. No. And Blaze never said that. This was just me trying to insist that my joke landed. And clearly the more I get mad about it, the less funny it's going to be. But the basic gist of it was somebody I was speaking to said, I said, oh, they grow marijuana. And I saw this. And I like, DMed and said, oh, that's such a cool hobby. I would love to learn that someday. And this is one of Blaze's friend. So I'm like, oh, I just saw this. So this person responds and says, oh, yeah, I've plenty of cheat codes if you ever do. And I said, is one of them Rosebud? See, that's funny.

But he had never. I thought it was funny. But he never played Sims. Is that it? So I saw the typing. And then I saw it stop. And then I said, oh, fuck. You saw him go, what do I say here? Wait a minute. Yeah. And then he's like, we don't know each other well enough to be bantering in a way where I can say, what the fuck does that mean? So then I said to Blaze, do you understand this joke? And I said it to him. And he went, no, I don't. understand the joke. And I said, it's from the Sims, like mother load. And he said, I know the word mother load. And I went, okay, enough of this. And so then I said to Blaise's friend, sorry, neither person in the room understood the joke. This is clearly on me. I take full responsibility. And

Blaise's friend said, never apologize for being too niche. And I was like, that's such a kind way of saying that. What a good man. Jesus Christ. I know. I know. And I thought, wow. So anyway, That's really profound. It was profound and it felt it felt very validating. But then my brother was like, yeah, in some circles, that's a pretty, okay, maybe he didn't give me the validation that I really wanted. I don't know. Maybe I invented that part because even when I look back, I'm like, he didn't seem all that convinced. Maybe it's not as good a joke as I thought.

Maybe it's just my algorithm talks about the sim so much that I assume everybody has this on their same feed, you know. Trust me as someone whose algorithm is fucking nuts right now. I figured you'd understand. a lot of things and just hope and pray I don't look like an idiot. And a lot of times my prayers aren't answers. Typically, like when other people do say something, I'm like, oh, I just don't get it. But like I just like how you did with J-Jol. Like it's probably funny.

But when it's a DM one-on-one, I realize like, okay, this is awkward because we don't know each other that well. So it's like he's got to be like, do I say, ha-ha? Do I say, what does that mean? But that happens a lot even with like friend dating where you have to just. Friend dating is totally the worst. You just have to say some wild shit and hope that they know what the reference is. And then like if there's that like weird pause, you're like moving on?

We did not pass a with this test there. Yeah. Yeah. Whoops. Okay. Remember that one, uh, why I wouldn't even say friend, but the person that I went on a friend date with, we both go to each other. Oh yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I tried too many times throwing out niche references and I just probably looked like I needed my bed of cash out. Yeah. You're like, uh, one day I'll be aligned enough for this conversation. Our algorithms don't like each other therefore. I don't think it's going to work. Yeah, we're just crisscrossing.

Anyway, Jay Jill. Right. So that's the joke. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Was that like J. Crewe, Ann Taylor, or Chico's? It was like, 100%. It was like where my mother would go by like cardigans or whatever. No, she would kill me for saying that.

But, you know, like, it was like very mom fashion. Yeah. Yeah. Those were the stores my mom made me go to when we would do back to school shopping. It's like really rough for the pencil skirt. Yeah. Like the pencil skirt flashbacks really. They love a polo.

Oh, a polo, man. And apparently those are back. I went into a Hollister with my sister unwillingly. And I was like, this is literally the exact same store from 25 years ago. You know what else is back? No difference. They've been back for a while now. I hate to say it, they'll burk and stocks.

I mean, I work like, you know how I feel. I mean, I've worn Bergensox every day in my life. They're like back, back, back. Like you are in right now if you have Birkenstocks. No, I know. I have like 16 pairs of it. I don't. I have two. But still. I'm a little offended by them being back because the current generation who's bringing them back doesn't understand that it was the only way we could out ourselves back then. Now everyone just wears them.

Oh, I see. Yeah. I mean, it was. Like they were a gay icon and now we're just everyone can have them. Crazy. That's great. I know. But like think about like the crop tea. It's sometimes about the energy you bring to the situation. Okay. M is what I would say because I own two pairs of Birkenstocks. one are like a cute light blue color that I always accidentally match my nail my toenail polish color to and it's kind of like this cutesy vibe. But then I own my like granola burkenstocks and it's like, I wear those out and it's like, oh, that's not the same person. You know, that's a different energy. And it's the same with this crop. I bought this thinking I'm going to look so like cute and girly. And then I get it and I'm like, whoa, I look intense. Like, you know,

you look like you could kick my ass. Yeah. Well, I couldn't. And you never, I'm wearing burgen socks. But you never know. I feel like it's also about the like vibe you bring. But you're right. Like there is for sure like a little bit of like, hey. That was ours. Also, wait a minute. You know what was the gayest piece of clothing?

Any sapphic person growing up in the early 2000s can tell you that's probably the gayest thing they've ever worn was when American Eagle came out with those patchwork quilt shorts. Do you remember? You know what I mean? I have like 11. My mother has like a box of just. those like 11 of pairs of those you know what they recently came up on my fucking tic-ttock feed which means that those plus burkin socks are back which means we're just

they're just rubbing it in my face now maybe they're just like do you want to try again and be gay this time and I'm like maybe you want to just kiss girls when you're wearing these instead of thinking about it between my my my my polo shirts because I wore a collared shirt every day did did you ever do the double collared shirt because I was just oh that was so annoying. The double polo I thought was just a little bit absurd. A lot of it absurd. It was. Even when I was doing it, I was like, this looks fucking stupid. This is a good photo up though, because there are some hilarious photos of me wearing like Hollister or like trying to look. And it looks, it's like I was supposed to be wearing the pilgrim shoes. My mom had bought me.

And that was the aura. I was projecting. But I was like wearing a pink halter top. Do you know what I mean? There was also, there was a phase where I finally stopped wearing the patch. Watchwork shorts, because I'm trying to think would pictures of that exist. It's so hard because there were very few pictures taken on me in high school. But there was, I also went through a phase where I was wearing a lot of capriese, but they were cargo capris. Oh, the cargo caprice had such. And you know what? To this day, I'd wear them again.

They were so lovely. They were breezy, but they were as butch as we could get at a prep school where I was in the closet. I have something to tell you. My sister said that caprice, they're back at Hollister now, too. Damn it. Wow. It really, it all, it's all, it's, nothing's changed. And you know what? They're going to act like it's like they came up with it. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. And it's fine. And guess what? We probably didn't come up with it either. When the polos came out, the 80, the Ronald Reagan, the Nancy Reagan heads, all those big Nancy Reagan heads were like, hey, that's our thing, you dumb bitch. Nancy Reagan said, excuse me. You dumb, cunt. Give me that polo. Oh, how did we get here? Oh, Talbitts. Right.

Right, sure, Jay-J. Sure, sure, sure, sure. What a ride that was. I'm still stuck on that one store that starts at the scene. I don't know what it is. Like, Claiborne's or some shit like that. Anyway. Liz Claiborne is a thing, but I think you're thinking of something different,

which I feel like I'm also trying to think of. Interesting. Because Liz Claiborne is makeup. Oh, okay. No, I'm thinking of like a New York and company, but that was young J-Crew. That was like, in 10 years you'll be at J-Crew. New York and Company.

Yeah, it was like, it was, what do you call it? the gateway or like the feeder, the gateway closet, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, the Talbets. Oh, my God. So they own this castle for almost 100 years. The first Talbot to own it was Sir Richard Talbot. He got it in 1185.

He got it. Well, he was gifted to him because he worked for King Henry II and to reward him for all of his work, King Henry the Second. said here's land build a castle do whatever you want with it um so the property also became a significant port for the area which helped the talbot family actually become very powerful not only were they just randomly given a castle but now they are that castle also happens to be a a big port so they're very powerful like you said it's so random i'm like didn't he literally work for the king so that's probably not super random not super random but he it's like it like he

it was granted to him like if he saw 10 years into the future he would have been like oh i did not realized we were going to be this powerful of a family. It wasn't like, now turn this land into a big shipping port. It was just sort of like it happened. It all kind of happened for him. And so then the Talbets became this big family in town, eventually a big family in all of Ireland. And the castle itself did expand over time after 800 years, of course.

Things would have changed without it. But they basically built towers and gardens and it slowly got more and more lavish. One source said that King Edward IV at some point even like funded. the castle getting bigger and grander because it was a port and it was therefore important to him as well. So anyway, it got very lavish over time. There was one time in, uh, in that 800 years that the Talbot's owned it, only once did it momentarily switch hands. And that was from 1649 to 1660. So it's only an 11 year time period. Tough, tough 11 years. What happened? Well, it was the English Civil War. Oh. And Oliver Cromwell and his knights,

threw out all pretty much all the people in town. They were... And his cronies? And his cronies. And his cronies. That's exactly right. And one of his cronies was named Miles Corbett. And basically when the entire town was exiled or thrown out, that included the Talbot.

So the castle was available and Cromwell gave it to his crony, Miles Corbett. Got it. So when he lived there, Corbett was hated by the remaining locals. it said that he tried criminalizing Catholicism, which a lot of people in the area were Catholic. He had their abbey and their churches vandalized. It's actually rumored that at one point he also set up a brewery in one of the chapels

and that this is again, I don't know how true this is, but it's rumored that the smoke from the fires, this is a quote, the smoke from the fires under his boiler when it was a brewery are still visible in the chapel. Oh, that's cool. Which to me it's like super cool. like, oh, make it a brewery, but also it's like, what a slap in the face to, like,

their fucking place of worship. Yeah, it would be like you barging into somewhere that practice a different religion. And you're like, I'm just going to put this in your mosque. And it's like, no. He was also known for being one of the people who signed the death warrant for King Charles, the first. Whoa. So King Charles did not like this man because I would think not.

He was one of the people who signed off on the King dying. So he lived here for 11 years until the restoration and King Charles II was put in power. And when King Charles II was put in power, he was like, remember all those people who killed the other King Charles before me? I would like to round all those people up and I'd like them to be held accountable for their crimes. And that includes Miles Corbett. So Corbett had been living in the castle for 11 years. He flees the country. He goes to the Netherlands to try to hide so that way they can't.

find him and kill him in retaliation. But they eventually find him, they take him in, and he is, quote, hanged, drawn, and quartered before a cheering crowd. Oh, yucco. Hold that energy because this is where I do another quick dive into what hanged, drawn, and quartered means. Why must we do that? Because someone wants to hear it.

Someone wants to know. Go ahead. And I have, I think, covered this before. So this is just a quick little thing. but, you know, people like... Yeah, sickos. Google it yourself and read the dirty details. People like the ins and outs the medieval torture.

So here we go. I got all this information, by the way, from an article from How Stuff Works. Fun fact, being hanged drawn and quartered existed from 1241 to 1782. In case anyone wanted to know, like, did this, how did this happen? Half a millennia? Yeah. 500 years.

Half, yeah. Well, is a millennia of a thousand years? Yeah. It was removed as a sentencing style in 1870, which is crazy that it was, it was almost 100 years later that. Well, you think about like firing squads and stuff that are still technically, you know, yeah, legal in certain places. Well, so it was, it existed for another 100 years as a sentencing style, but I think at that

point, people were like, we don't want to do this anymore. It's not really the vibe anymore. So they just officially took it off the list of options in 1870. It was used for those who committed high treason. It was considered the ultimate punishment. And interestingly, it's not hanged, drawn, and quartered. The process is more drawn, hanged, a bonus experience, and then quartered. So.

I see, okay, because I always wondered because I thought, well, if it's hanged, at least you're hanged first, then the rest. But no. Okay, never mind. So being drawn is. the best part of it, where you are tied behind a horse and you get dragged to the gallows, usually from the prison you were in, which could be several miles away. And you're being dragged by a horse, not by like a fast car. So it's taking hours. Well, and you're like tied,

right? Like by the ankle or something. Yeah. You're bound and dragged. And sometimes it was like on essentially a sled, so it's not like your back is getting ripped up on the ground, but I'm sure there was a time a sled wasn't used. And it's a horse. So it's, it's, it's, it's, taking longer than how long it would take us to travel a couple miles. And I guess during this whole thing, people paraded around you and threw trash at you. I'm sure they're just throwing shit at rocks at you and shit. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's the best part. And you almost hope that someone throws a rock hard enough right at your head and you black out and don't experience the rest. You almost hope. You almost hope. Because what's coming is not great. So then you get to the gallows. You are intentionally hanged poorly so that you slowly suffocate. but your neck does not snap.

Oh, I didn't understand that part. Fuck, dude. So, and then they don't even hang you to kill you ever. They just kill you to torture you or they just hang you to torture you. So for like 20 minutes to a half an hour, they just let you hang there slowly not being able to breathe and going in and out of consciousness. I didn't know that.

Then they cut you down for the bonus experience. The bonus experience is, you know, you, again, hope that they were able to suffocate you because this part you really, really don't want to experience. Your genitals are cut off. You're awake the whole time, by the way, if you survived the hanging situation.

Your genitals are cut off and thrown into a fire before your very eyes. Your stomach is cut open and your intestines are pulled out, also thrown into a fire. Your heart is cut out and thrown into a fire. So at least now, I'm pretty sure you're dead. Then you're decapitated. And the heads of the most notable people,

as we know, were put on spikes to be a warning to others. And then the quartering is interesting because you're not even awake for it because you're now for sure not with us. But that's when your body is quartered into four pieces.

Usually that means your legs and arms are cut off. But this is the fun fact I didn't know. They are then preserved. And like they're boiled with like spices and stuff and preserved. And then taken, this is a quote from the article, taken on a public. publicity tour to

to let everyone know what happens to people who challenge the authority of the king because there was no media or newspapers back then so the quartering and distributing the body parts was the way that they would go to towns and let you know but don't fuck with the king so that's another reason why

it stopped being used even though a hundred years time it was still an acceptable sentencing style it they already had they had newspapers so they didn't have to like do this thing to your body and then physically go display it to people. They could just write about it. So it was meant to be like look at what happens to you.

Like look how we can totally take. It's so fucking dark. But as newspapers came out and people were able to read more, they didn't need that. They could just like write the threat. You know what I mean? Right, right. And like you don't need to prove it with the limbs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of people think that quartering is when all four of your limbs are tied to different horses and all the horses run in different directions. That's what I always thought. Apparently that's true in some areas, but that did not happen in England that we know. Okay. And it was maybe more of a torture style than a killing, but an execution. The drawing, was that the being dragged?

Yeah, so it was like you're essentially the horse-drawn carriage. You're being drawn. Okay. So you're drawn. And then there's the hanging, of course, and then the cutting and the mutilation. They don't say it. It's just called, they just say hanged, drawn, and quartered, but it's... Oh, so that...

I guess it's part of the quartering. It's that your whole body's coming apart. Yeah. Sorry. Okay. Okay. So, how are we? It gets better.

It gets not, like, that's the worst of it now. It's in the past. You literally said this is the best part. Oh, no, no. That was just the horse. Yeah, the, certainly the best in terms of... a gore factor. But now we're done with talking about that. We're back to the history of the castle. Okay. Okay. Everyone's cortisol levels can, they have permission to drop. So, when, uh, so that's what

happened to Miles Corbett because he was just so hated. I mean, the king, he literally said, yeah, the king should die. And then the king died. And then the new king was like, your turn. So when he moved out of the way, uh, or moved out of the castle and died, the Talbets finally were able to move back in. So that's why for the, that'll, 11 years they weren't living there as they were kicked out and then they came right back. And then they saw a press tour come through town with the guy's limbs. And they were like, oh, perfect. That must mean it's back on the market. Honestly, I'm kind of like, is that how they found out? Like, oh my God. And then by the way, when they moved in, they, they then,

um, what's the quote? They weakened the castle's defenses because as it had gotten built up and built up and built up to be this great grand thing. But then they realized that this is attractive to bad Totally, like to anyone with bad intention. Yeah. So they intentionally took a lot of that out of the way so that way nobody would want to steal their house again. Yeah. And then they lived there until the 1970s. It's now a museum.

It's an event venue, like a venue. They host tours there, including paranormal investigations. And now I'm just talking about ghosts. Yay. Sorry about the tough part there. Okay. Ghosts. Here we go.

So the staff and guests have experienced the classic doors opening, closing footsteps, clothes getting tugged at, temperature drops, laughter and voices. People have felt nauseous in certain rooms. They've been locked into other rooms, even though there's no lock. Security has seen shadow figures on their cameras. It's been thought that the castle, because it's near laylines or because the castle is also built of limestone, which is a conductor for paranormal energy. I think those might be the reasons for its high activity, but they, also like there have been like a lot of deaths over 800 years in that family and the amount of like just think about the emotions alone great one family for 800 years also think about how many fucking wars since 1185 and like how many times of an important port and a castle has been involved in all that and a lot of those a lot of the people who have owned that castle had to like go into battle a lot of people lost their lives there was actually one event that happened in the castle where like 14 of the family members

all died in battle the same day. And they all lived in the castle and none of them came home. The same day. Oh my God. I mean like... There's a lot of grief and tragedy mixed into this place. Yes. So it said that there are five most notable spirits here.

I'm kind of confused because the way that I'm reading this, it sounds more like six. Excuse me. Oh, let me know what you think. So the first one's obviously. in Miles Corbett. He, you know, I got to give him credit where credits do. He's an original ghost because people see him

in his military armor walking around the castle, but before he vanishes, he collapses to the ground into four parts. Shut the fuck up. As if he was just quartered. And apparently they're like bloody parts too. It's like kind of gross. He's like what became of me. Oh my God. That is

so creepy, dude. What? It's so creepy, but again, finally, I mean, how many times do I say we saw a ghost standing there? At least he's doing something different. I mean, and really, like, that's a direct correlation to his literal story. So, yeah. And also, like, he was not that great of a guy either. So I'm sure some people are kind of like, good. Good to know that that's what's happening in the afterlife for you.

I don't know. Yeah, good to know. I need to watch it in my own hallway. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point. Imagine that you're just like in your PJs and you're like bunny slippers and you go get a glass of water. And you just have to. It's Christmas morning.

Oh, my God. Santa came. Oh my gosh. I think that's the funniest thing you've said in a lot. That makes up for that J. Jill shit, I'll tell you. That was good. Thank God. I felt like I was trapped in a purgatory of my own design after that J. Jill joke.

You know, I do get the Santa reference. I've experienced that before. Oh, thank God. I try. I'm so niche that I came all the way around and ended up with fucking Santa Claus. You should never apologize for being niche or whatever. Blaze said. That's a good man, Christine. It wasn't. It wasn't Blaze. It was his friend who said it. Oh. This whole time I was like, I'm so glad you married him. Now I'm like, you should marry that guy.

I know. And Blaze, Blaze said, nobody gets that joke. It did sound a little out of character, but I was like, sometimes Blaze does like really have some heavy hitters. He's so I was like, it's lovely. He, but he, he, he's cautious with those. He doesn't want to give me the wrong idea. He doesn't want me going on with more and more niche sims or references around his friends where they have to pretend like they understand what I'm saying. He's like, cut it out actually. Allison knows better than to give me permission to be niche because then like, see what I mean? The floodgates open, yeah. But then like her friends are probably nice and like, yeah, you can be as niche as you want.

Her friends are so nice and it's undeserved with the way that I talk to them. That's what it is with the Blazes friend where I'm like, I don't deserve that, but thank you for the kindness. I know that there's a text chain somewhere where Allison's friends are like, what was that thing? What were we done? Did anybody else? Are you actually laughing at that? because I didn't get it.

We all laughed at that. It's kind of funny how like nobody just said, I don't understand. Like who is J. Jill anyway? Christine, oh my God, look at your legs. They are so smooth. Actually, they are and they're never. They're never. Look at this.

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Even if Santa's there, which is crazy. So, and I also heard a different, one source said that he only appears on his death anniversary, which I never understand that shit when they say, that annoys me. He only appears on this day. I'm like, I'm pretty sure he's not checking his calendar in the afterlife. And I don't even think time means anything in the afterlife.

Like, yeah, I'm like, I guess I could understand it in a certain way if there were some sort of like weird celestial imprint that the stars were. Like, sure, okay, whatever. But like, the idea of like every year on the day of his death, I'm like, I don't know. And also if that were fucking true, I'm sorry. But like, there would have been a camera crew and they're ready to get evidence of that on his death anniversary. At one of these days. Yeah. Like if I, if we were going ghost sending and they said only on his death.

death day, do you see him on the stairs? And we're sitting on the stairs all night until he appears. Otherwise, like, debunked. I know, but I wonder if it's like, you know, when you have, like, say somebody in your family passes and like on their death anniversary, you might get like signs, you know, or you might get like. But that feels more personal. Like, that feels more like, oh, they're checking in on me to make sure I'm okay. not like, oh, he's back for his annual pantomime of his horrible murderer. I mean, I don't know.

It just feels like, why would you do that? Maybe he doesn't have a choice, I guess, but it's strange. Sure, that's a good point. Well, he's one of the most popular ghosts there. I say the ghosts, there's two, how would I say this? I'm just going to say ghosts two and three, because they're part of the same story. There's a woman who haunts this castle called Lady Mod Plunkett, which just feels like a mother goose rhyme or something. Lady Mod Plunkett, sound on a trumpet or something.

Eating her crumpet. Yeah, it actually really works. It does. Before she married into the Talbot family, so that's how she ended up in this castle. She married a Talbot. Before that, she was engaged to another man named Walter Hussey. Love that. Hello.

Hey, girl. Happy Pride. And Walter Hussey was also known. as Lord Galtrum, because they always have to have a fancy name. And so Lady Mod Plunkett and Lord Galtrum, they were going to get married. However, on their wedding day, Lord Galtram died in battle, which like, why are you working on your wedding day? He's like, hang on, I'll be right there.

So I have to clock in real quick for a morning shift. I'll be back for the wedding. I got to get a quick shower before my wedding, though. Like, that's the shower you need before your wedding. It's like, get in the pond and get all that blood off of you. please just like put your limbs back together my god so they say that he uh there's two versions one is that he died in battle one is that he died in an ambush from from rival people or something but whatever either way he was stabbed and died immediately and he couldn't make it to his wedding very sad

he couldn't make it he was busy um he was stabbed and died immediately and he actually didn't make it And the worst part is he didn't get to the wedding. This is the plot twist. So, but here's the, here's the plot twist. Right after his wedding, like within 24 hours. There was no wedding. What do you mean? Right after the day.

Right after the day where everyone was gathered except him, wondering where he was. Um, within, like, within 24 hours, right after his death, Maude Mary is another man. Yeah, that's the plot twist. And it was Mr. Talbot, which is how she ends up in the castle. and I guess it's interesting because the story, if I'm understanding it correctly, her and Lord Galtrum, had he not died,

they were going to get married at the Talbot's castle because the Talbot's were like family friends in some way. And then he didn't show up. She ended up marrying Mr. Talbot in his own castle within 24 hours. And I think the reason why they were able to marry so quickly is because Mr. Talbot was also vying for the affection of Lady Mod Plunkett, and Lord Galtram was the one that she ended up choosing between the two of them. Did he get him killed? We don't know, but that's part of the mystery. Hey, I know. I mean, she's like, she's in my castle marrying a different guy, and I'm in

love with her, and if he's out of the picture, I can literally marry her in my own home today with all of our families gathered. And he just casually happened to die today on the way of the wedding. today. Oops. I mean, I'm, I'm no Barbara Walters, but I'm pretty sure. I've got a finger on the pulse here. I'm extremely confident about my take on this one. Yeah. So she, but also, I guess I would need more context on this battle. Like, he died in battle and everyone was like, where is he? It's like, well, if there's a fucking battle, what do you mean where, like? Yeah. Or, or he was ambush. I kind of and emily more because again and see if it's an ambush then I'm thinking hello the two versions are either it was in battle or he was ambushed by people and got stabbed um which i feel like the ambush is more likely i mean i don't think soldiers can like take time off from battle even today but like i would imagine on your wedding day you just like find a way to not get to work strange like what you battle like wouldn't you post whatever wouldn't you say like count me out folks i'm not going to be in this wild timeline.

I would like to know the military history of when people were like expected to miss all when it's like normal to just like be in a battle on your wedding day and accidentally die. Or even like even today where it's like well you have to work around like a soldier's schedule because like they don't get to pick their days off or I mean I don't know. I really know nothing about like how the military operates. But when the military before it was the military, I feel like in the 1700s someone could just say like I'm not going to make it to this battle. Like there was a time before there were all these strict rules, right?

Yeah, but I bet you there were all sorts of weird like unwritten rules about like, oh, you would be then treat, it would be treason. Maybe written rules, I don't know. Like you don't want to be drawn in fucking quartered or whatever like that other guy. That's true. That's true. Anyway, so he ended up taking advantage of the situation, be like, oh, don't cry that your husband's dead. Everyone's here for your wedding and I'm in love with you and you could be in this castle with me if we all got married right now. It's really weird that I'm wearing a tuxedo that match is all. It's so weird I have a wedding ring in my pocket.

God, what? It's so crazy. So she ends up a lot of sources say that she's the woman who was a maiden, widow, and wife all in one day. Whoa. Yeah. That's pretty wild. So Lady Plunkett, she ends up, you know, not marrying the first guy. She ends up marrying Mr. Talbot.

Technically not a widow. That's what I'm saying. Okay. You're with me on this. But for the flare, I suppose. People were like, well, she would have been a widow. It's going to kill M just the way 791 years does not 800 years make. You know what I mean?

It will ruin my sleep. This story is really grinding your gears. Thank you for seeing me. I feel so, I feel heard. I'm so glad that's all I want. So after Mr. Talbot and Maude got married, he ended up dying. So now she's got the castle. Woo!

So now she's a widow. Now she's a widow and she's got a whole castles of herself. she ends up marrying a third man who's, I guess, a judge in the area. But their relationship was very tumultuous. So this gets us back to the ghost. Lady Maude Plunkett herself is a ghost in the castle. A lot of people also see the ghost of her third husband, the judge, because I guess they were known to be kind of toxic with each other.

And people still hear them fighting for eternity. Oh, how irritating. Exhausting. I mean, really, like we can't. Exhausting. Like give it a rest, literally. Some people say that you can hear people arguing in empty rooms. You hear doors slamming.

People literally have seen Maud chasing after her husband when he's like leaving one of the rooms. So like she's like following him. Like the fight isn't over. Bummer. Oh, exhausting, exhausting. Such a bummer. So you see the two of them. But you also, ghost number four, you see Sir Walter Hussey, aka Lord Galtrum, the guy that died the day of

his wedding. Yep. Um, he is now said to appear on the upper floors of the castle, sometimes holding his side where he was stabbed or showing you his stab wound. No thank you. Just point to it. But we already saw a guy fall into four pieces. Yeah. I think I've had enough of this for today. I think just show me with your words. Just let's show and tell, right? Let's show and tell. Right. Let's show more tell. Just say it hurts right here. Or like, yeah, yeah, just because one guy is falling into of literal chunks doesn't mean we all need to be the goriest possible. We can all maybe realize that's not the energy that we need to be amplifying today. That guy made you think you have permission to also be a little over the top,

but like we don't have to either. Totally. Like let's just take a breath first. Everyone breathe it out. Yes. So he sometimes shows you the stab wound or at least points to what hurts. He's often heard groaning probably because he was fucking stabbed to death. But others say it's because he's heartbroken that he has.

had to watch his fiance marry so quickly after his death. Yeah, no, I think he fucking got stabbed is probably why. I would say there's a lot of reasons to groan, but probably first on the dome for me would be that I'm in pain. Which one would take precedent in the moment? I would argue maybe the one that killed you. I agree with you. There's also a ghost called the White Lady.

And there's a woman in a white dress. I guess there's a painting of her in the castle. and the story goes that this is an unidentifiable woman painted by an unidentiful painter. It just was found hanging in the castle. Oh, that's kind of cool and creepy. Even creepier is that it's said that this woman in the white dress leaves her painting at night and is seen wandering the castle. No, and then they're like, who painted this? No, seriously, guys, who painted this?

Who the fuck? Did you paint it with a curse? With your, with like a blood spell? Something happened. If this was a third grade school project, I'm not going to be mad, but I need to know. You need to tell me honestly. Tell me very clearly. The magical painting is scaring everybody.

Why are you giggling in the corner, Henry? I don't like that. We don't like that. You know what I told you from giggling in the corner. It said that the woman, she leaves her painting. The painting is apparently gone, but she is still seen. And I'm kind of wondering if this is the same ghost as Maud, because some versions were saying Maud can be seen still in her wedding gown.

And so I'm like, well, then she's a lady in white. but when people know what mod looks like versus like this random woman at a painting endless thing we go through of like well who's who and are they the same or are they separate entities or do they like merge? Yeah.

That's kind of why I don't know if this is four ghosts or five because they say the lady and white or the white lady is her own ghost but I'm like maybe it's maybe it's also a mod and we just don't know. Like appearing in two different spots or something. Yeah. So there might be more than five.

The white lady being one of them. Another random one is that there's a former worker who's seen on cold nights by the fire. There's a lot of randos. But the last most popular one, his name is Puck. And he was, as you recall from earlier, the Talbot's family jester. I didn't, you said, as you recall, blank, blank, blank. Someone did. Someone was like, where the fuck is the jester?

Oh, come on. Took me till two seconds after the jester mentioned that I recognized what was happening. Okay. So the jester puck, interesting. Okay, very on the nose. Got it. He was also the family watchman because I guess the castle was still used. I guess the talbets and the king were still close.

And the king would have the talbets watch over political prisoners in their castle because they had a free dungeon. Free dungeon. Might as well put strange criminals in there. Right as well. And so when the jester wasn't feeling too silly, he was the fucking guard. he was and that but you know security guards are funny as shit

so like okay but I have a question he just found a way to make two jobs out of it do you think it was that way or do you think like chicken egg was it like he was a security guard and then he just was like just cracking these guys up

and they were like you gotta come upstairs for dinner sometime and like really tell us a few jokes I can't imagine it was that way because I'd be like this security guard's a little too chummy a little too

true I don't think that's not your place yeah I'd be like you gotta tighten that shit up But they could have also said, how about for 10 more bucks? You save that and you bring it upstairs when you're done down here. I don't know. Totally. Save that energy. Don't give it away for free. Yeah, exactly.

I don't know. I don't know what happened first. But he was somehow both. He contains multitudes, as we've learned. Just like a Gemini, really. I relate to this guy. He lived in one of the towers. He oversaw the political prisoners.

One of the people that was staying there that he was supposed to supervise was lady Eleanor Fitzgerald, who was only there because she was like a rebel. She was just maybe inciting some riots or something. I don't know. She was protesting. Like, I... What do you mean? Like, she wasn't there for like a violent crime or anything.

She just had some political differences. Oh, she was in the... I don't know why in my brain she was just visiting the castle and he was meant to just like look after her. And then you said, and then I realized you're prisoner. She was technically visiting behind bars. But she was visiting against her will. Got it.

Okay. So while Puck is supposed to watch her, he accidentally fell in love with her. Whoopsies. Yuck. Okay. And you know she was getting a personal, like a private jesting event all the time. He was just there, crack in jokes and being charming. And she was like, he was suddenly like making new.

His bars were the only thing separating us. Wow. He was like writing new material. And she just like, his friends were like, what's gotten into you? Oh my God. You know what's so funny though? Imagine as a security guard, you know, like, when you clock out, here you have to be a jester.

You know that some of those prisoners were getting his like test out jokes. And that was part of the torture maybe where they're like, oh my God. And that would be, wouldn't it? And then like if something flops at dinner, at least you have more torture for the next day at work. Like if a joke flops for the king or whatever, then you can go downstairs. You know if I was held prisoner there and the person watching me is a guy trying to crack jokes. Oh, I'm laughing so hard. I'm like, oh, maybe if I laugh so hard.

That's so funny. Can you hold my hand? The one with the key in it. It's like, it's so funny. Maybe we could be friends if only I survived. Maybe you could give me out of here. Maybe I'll give you a smooch. Yeah.

Well, so he falls in love with Lady Eleanor Fitzgerald. And either he, we don't really know what happened. But I guess the story goes that they would have never been able to be together, even if she wasn't a prisoner. I think like their status, he was never allowed to probably be with someone like her. So either because. he was devastated that he failed at his job of being a good overseer or because he knew he could never be with her and he was heartbroken. Some say he died by suicide. Oh dear. But others say that

he was murdered because all we know is he was later found in his tower stabbed in the heart. Huh. Could have been like a Romeo Julia situation where he tried to end it all, but someone else could have probably hurt him, maybe one of the Talbets who knew that they were getting a little too close and they felt like he broke loyalty or something with the family by being friends with a prisoner and maybe that would insult the king and then the king would have to yell at the Talbets about it or who knows. Oh my God. Yeah, that just that feels a little, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know how to feel about this. Don't know how to place it. It doesn't feel like a suicide in that sense, but. No. That's a pretty gruesome way to go also. But also like the clown, like the jester archetype of like, like, I mean, this is. Talk about a niche, but like the Paliachi opera, you know? No.

Okay. You're always just out of the way. And you always dive right back into like having to be questioned. What are you talking about? There's an opera about a clown and he is called Paliachi and he goes to the town doctor and he says, Dr. Doctor, I'm so depressed. Nothing can cure me. and the doctor said to him,

Oh, I have just a thing. Have you heard the famous Paliachi is in town? And he is just the one to cheer you up. And the man said, but doctor, I am Paliachi. Oh, my God. Yeah. So it's about a suicidal clown or like court jester clown guy. Oh, my God.

Well. It was one of my childhood stories growing up. That's not a joke. Yeah, that tracks for sure. Yeah. Wow, that was really, okay. You're like, I have to think about everything now. So that was the story.

Actually, my dad every Christmas would read a story about somebody dying. It sounds like a joke. It's not a joke. We'd read a story about either someone committing suicide or dying before, like, before saying their final words or like before getting their fine. Like something just like really awful, right? And so that was one of the stories. And it was always just very dark. but it was like the idea that like people someone who entertains others can be very dark underneath

and sure you know so that trope is there too yeah falls in the trope of like i mean even like a robin williams of like people who are really yeah the comedian exactly exactly i think maybe that would have been a more relevant reference for everybody to kind of cling on to no instead you decided to say jill jack or jill jay or whatever that wasn't risky enough let's go with the polyoggy operatic suicidal clown that's eating myself into the sun at this point and we're not going to find me ever again. You know what? I got to give you a round of applause on your tenacity, though. You really say, thank you. Let's find out, let's find out together every time. Let's F-A-F-O.

That's exactly right. You know what? And now we're all wiser. Now we know about Paliachi. You're all a little more bummed out, though, too. And yet I feel the need to thank you. Thanks. You're welcome. I don't really, you've really messed with all the ways that I think now. It's just powerful. It's powerful stuff. Well, Puck was stabbed in the heart, and we don't know how, why, when, and he is still alive when he's found. Oh, oh, no. Okay.

And when they find him, he has some last words, and they're not, this is who did it to me or anything like that. Instead, apparently, this has to be flare created by a paranormal investigator. instead his last words are that he's going to haunt the castle until a talbot man marries a woman of the people oh please a k a break until a talbot finds love with someone for who they are not because of societal expectations because that's not what he could have with lady eleanor fitzsche yeah yeah yeah yeah he couldn't have her person because of society um he apparently also out of the caveat that while he haunts the castle he'll never harm a talbot He went. No, here's what happened.

A Talbot killed him. And said, here's what his final words were. 100%. I actually, weirdly, they're in my handwriting. But that's because I was just like noting them down as he said them. You fucking nailed exactly what I was thinking. Like, come on. And you know, I wonder, because he's a, I'm sure if a Talbot is the one who said that,

who's like, no, no, no. He said all these really nice things about us. Yeah, he loves us. Whoever he told that to probably questioned it and went, I'm not going to fuck with the guy who just stabbed someone in the heart. Yeah. He went, you're right. How nice. Are we all understanding?

Let's all be in unison and say, got it. Yikes. So now he's deemed as like a protector of the castle, this puck guy. He's also now often seen in photos. He likes to take pictures of people. He's been spotted around the property climbing the stairs or pacing outside. In the 1970s, he was the most active because that's when the castle was being cleared out, and a lot of the contents were being sold out of the building.

And that was, he did not like that and how ghosts like don't like the change of him. So he was really, really showing up around then. But to this day, as a museum, he likes to play pranks on the staff. He said it would be very mischievous. He'll hide items. He'll tug on your shirt. Lights will flicker. Other spirits that people see around here are a monk walking around.

and they hear chanting because there used to be an abbey nearby. They hear piano playing because a former resident who lived there was a piano player. In some rooms, people hear knocking and rattling in the old dungeon. They hear crying and groaning. In the gardens, there are two phantom women that fade away together. Gay, happy pride. Together. And there's also a couple seen holding hands.

I'm going to pretend they're gay. Happy pride. Same couple maybe? I don't know. They're holding hands. They faint to the mist. That'd be precious. And then there is the ghost of a man crouching.

No, thank you. Okay. Forget it. Investigators have gotten intelligent responses on spirit boxes and using EVP. One ghost has, one example of this is a ghost correctly stated how many people were in the room when they asked for that information. There's a door in one of the rooms, I think, in like the event space or the place that's now like a venue. There's a door that used to be Puck's door. I think to his tower, I'm not sure.

It was just where he maybe kept his jester toys. I don't know. But if you knock on it now, you're supposed to get good luck out of it. That feels like a trap. That feels like a trap to me too. It's like, I think you're just trying to, you're knocking on mischievous Puck's door to be like, oh, come away with us. It feels like an invitation.

I'm not doing that. Yeah. I feel like you're going to make him do something. Playful or personal. You're summoning him, doesn't it? I feel like you're summoning him. And guess what happened? And guess who would happen to?

Don't even. Lizzo. What? Apparently she went and did a tour here and knocked on Puck's door and lost her goddamn phone. She went, she knocked on his door and this is a quote from her. He took my phone, talking about Puck. He took my phone. They looked all over the castle for it.

Then when we called it, it was in my dancer's pocket outside. No. transported outside of the castle. That is trickster energy. That's huge. I mean, that's very jester-like, I would say.

Which part of me is like, oh, well, maybe the dancer like always had in the pocket or played a prank or whatever. But in the interview, she says,

like, I was just taking pictures with my phone and then I couldn't find it. No, like, I feel like that's usually, also like, why would the dancer have Lizzo's phone?

Like, that should not. I don't think that would happen. I feel like that would not happen. That's really weird. Yeah. Okay. I'm not going to be knocking on that.

No, thanks. So, anyway, that is Malahide Castle. That was so good. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I really liked that. We got some, like, dark shit with the quartering and all that nonsense. And

ooh, I don't know, man. Some of those, would you go there overnight, do you think? I think so. I don't know. I would... I don't know why. Something about castles. Like, I just, I'm like, I don't know about staying overnight in a castle. Well, castles for me, just freaking yet because there's like if we're going to like the sally house here and the house is like maximum 70 years old.

It's different than when the house is a thousand years old and there's just so much more room for other ghosts. I don't know. It's so empty and cavernous. It feels really eerie. And you would have like, I mean, which is another problem we've ran into. Like you would have like so many places you'd need to like pare down where you would go and what strategize the logistics.

Oh my God. I would be a little freaked out, I think. I think it's a little too big scale for me. I don't know. I think I'd rather experience a smaller, less like, gory haunting as my first, like, castle experience, but. Agreed. Also in a castle, I mean, you just know people died there.

I know. There's already a dark history in like any castle it feels like. Or a dungeon, so they're suffering. It's different than like, oh, someone peacefully passed in their home. Yeah. Or like, this family had it for so many years and it was just filled with love and light. loss, but also love, no, like there's some war in battle and. And being a castle, it's probably really isolated from other things.

Yours in the woods. That's also the thing. And I feel like at night, that's so spooky too. Okay, I'm going to go pee and then I'm going to pull up my newspaper's account and see if I can find the, and if I don't, I'm sorry, I'll say it in the episode so that you don't, like, sign up for Patreon just to get that. And then it's like not there. But I'll say it after.

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I do not blame you because it was a rather unhinged episode. It was our birthday episode. So it's allowed to be unhinged. And it was extra unhinged. But during my part, I had briefly mentioned that I was going to be covering the Gemini twins. But I wasn't going to get to it last episode. So instead we talked about true crime astrology,

which was really fun. And if that's not your bag, you know, that's totally fine because I, I'm going to cover the Gemini twin story today instead. I'm so excited. Yeah, I remember you saying that you were going to cover this. And then we yapped so much. You were like, I'll do it next time.

So I was like, actually, do you want to be here until 11 p.m.? No, me neither. Okay. And the whole world went, no. And I said, okay, okay, fine. So we went over a lot more in depth instead into the astrology of serial killers and true crime. and it was a fun conversation, you know.

We had fun. I mean, you were there, I know. I mean, I was there. But I thank you for reminding me because it has been like a week. It has been a whole week. And you know how we are with time. I think we had fun. I'm pretty sure we had fun.

We had fun. I think it was a good time. This is a story of the Gemini twins. And it is actually pretty good. I didn't do this on our birthdays because they're not actually Gemini's. Oh, yeah. I'm glad that this isn't, um, And I think that would have kind of damp.

It would have damp in the mood. So I was already kind of bracing for like a little bit of like, oh, I got to kind of give you some downer news that like the theme isn't even really on theme. But it's perfect now because they're not even Gemini to begin with. So that's just what they're called. And I'm going to tell you why. Anthony Center. He was born on March 31st, so he's actually an Aries, 195 in Brooklyn.

He was a son of Michael Center, a northern Italian immigrant. And it just says in basically any source and his wife. So that's nice. You know what? So far, I'm a little offended, but maybe it's best that she's not involved in this. I think you're right. I think she doesn't want to be involved. You know what?

She's like to take my name out of it, actually. Yeah, wife, period. I'll be the wife. Might as well put X in front of it while you're at it. I don't know. Oh my God. Power move. So Anthony grew up in a turbulent home where his parents divorced when he was eight years

old and then remarried each other again. Sorry, trigger warning to M and only M because Anthony and M are the only people who have ever experienced your parents marrying each other again, which like I've experienced that, but it was a really vivid nightmare I had. That was, I don't know. That was, I don't even know what the right word is, but well done. That really, if it felt personal, not like an attack, it just felt like, oh my God, you thought of me.

Like, I don't know. Like, there's something so stuck with me. It was not derogatory. No. But it was also not not derogatory. I just felt so, like there's something so twisted about me. I just felt so thought of all of a sudden. I was like, oh my God.

Yeah. Well, because I was like, yeah, because I mean, hello, like that's not an experience that most people go through. And so when I see someone else experiencing that, I'm like, hey, I know someone who went through that. Put us in touch because I have things to talk about. Well, I don't think I'm going to do that. So you'll find out why already. Sounds like he's a part of a word. Okay. It sounds like he might just be. Okay. So, yeah, he grew up in a turbulent home. Um, trigger warning to M only, um, where his parents divorced and then remarry each other. So I guess turbulent home is a good word for what we're experiencing.

Okay. Sure. Yeah. During his youth. Anthony worked for his father's debris removal business and his uncle Roberts carting firm, the Canarsie Recyycling Company, which had mob ties to the Gambino and Colombo crime families. Okay. So on July 24, 1974, Anthony married an Italian American woman in Canarsie, Brooklyn, and the wedding was attended by prominent mob figures. So you can see he's almost like born into this like mob family. and they're attending his wedding whole nine yards.

The Gambino crime family soldier Roy Albert de Mayo was one of the attendees. And he is going to come back into the picture shortly. But real quick, I want to jump over to the other Gemini twin who's also glaringly not a Gemini, but is instead an Aquarius. Okay. And, you know, I can also speak to that if I have to, but Aquarius Ares energy is interesting. because it's sort of like, Aquarius is also an air sign like we are. So there is a little bit of that like fanning the flames energy. Sure.

And at this point, they haven't connected yet. And we're going to see that like have them connect. So. And remind me again what Anthony's was. What sign he was? He's an aries. He's also an aries. Okay.

Gotcha. No, no. Joseph Testa is an Aquarius. Sorry. But the other guy that we talked about. Oh, yeah. The other guy's in Aries. Okay.

Aries and Aquarius got it. Yes. Yes. So Joseph. car mine tested junior was born on january 24th, 195 in new york city it was one of nine children born to an italian american transport truck driver father and his wife period actually it says a housewife mother and i went oh wow that's even worse getting a little weird somehow it's worse actively not including her in any

of this and some dumb bitch we'll put that instead um okay big B yeah Joseph's home life became highly turbulent as well in other ways, and he became a juvenile delinquent after his mother died of a sudden blood clot when he was only 13 years old. One of Joseph's younger brothers, Patrick, who went by Patty, Testa, also became involved in the crime lifestyle very young. He became pretty quickly a professional car thief and then graduated into a real-life mobster. As a teenager, Joseph worked as a carpenter's helper and as an apprentice butcher,

and that of course gave him some mighty fine skills of carving up dead things. Noted. Noted. Anthony and Joseph grew up on the same block in Canarsie, Brooklyn, and it feels a little too much like the universe could have maybe stepped in and separated them a few blocks, and maybe all this wouldn't have happened, but whatever. Did they, um, you were probably going to say this already. Did they know each other growing up or is it convenient that they were neighbors? No, they knew each other. They were close friends. So they grew up like on the same block, uh, became BFFs and both of them dropped out of high school and co-founded an auto theft and marijuana distribution ring. Fun. Okay. Well, at least they're doing something with our lives.

Like the world's hard. Okay. It's called being an entrepreneur. That's right. That's exactly right. That's exactly right, nothing else. Now they had help from Joseph's little brother Patty. Remember the expert car thief. So now they have this trio of like very skilled in multiple different ways across the board. Trio of young men who were like just looking to create problems and steal stuff. Okay. So by 1970, they're 15 years old at this point.

okay just to give some context um oh my new fallout boy t-shirt was delivered okay speaking of vis-section I'm really happy for you you know the dumbest part is I was already like I wonder how short I should cut the sleeves okay oh my god I know I'm I know I know you're correct I think you're just going to cut them off that's what I my feeling is off what do you're thinking I'm thinking like a little just like a little like a little flare. I think I'm going to want a little just a little flare, yeah.

Yeah. I'm thinking a little angular flare. Start there and if we don't like it, we get it kind of shorter. Thank you. You know, and I'm working on the biceps. We'll get there someday.

It's no rush. Okay. Anyway, they become close friends, drop out of high school, create this auto theft and marijuana distribution ring and they have this sidekick of Patty,

the little brother. So by 1970, at age 15, Anthony and Joseph have already been arrested multiple times for car theft, but because they were so young, it was pretty much dismissed every time. And now I want to get into why they're called the Gemini twins. And part of the reason is that they sort of became, and this is like pretty twisted thinking now, like, okay, first of all, fuck you for calling them Gemini twins, but whatever. They became really, really codependent with each other. Like, really entwined. And like, I mean, you could say, speaking of fallout boy, maybe this is a fully out to a situation.

Not really because they weren't, you know, in psychosis. So I don't want to act like that was what was happening. But essentially they became known as the Gemini twins because they were like fanatically loyal to each other. And they were basically like twin. I mean, they were like twins, twin flames. I don't know what you want to call it. Yeah. Were like body clied.

Like a twin bond like are. Yes. Yes. Like it was written in the stars. Yeah, it felt very like meant to be, especially them growing up on the same block, being the same age, dropping out of high school at the same time, having the same niche interest of carjacking and theft. I mean, you can't get much better than that. I know. It's beautiful, really.

Yeah. So remember, they're only 15. And so when a 13-year-old neighbor of theirs, so a friend, was threatened with a knife by a man from East New York. And I am assuming race plays into this. It's not fully clear. they do mention he was a Puerto Rican man. And I think with the mob ties, there was, you know, some back and forth. Some more layers to this than just like, oh, he was harassing our friend.

But essentially, they find out that this man had threatened their neighbor with a knife. So they organized the neighborhood group, the neighborhood kids. They borrow a car and they spent the entire day searching the streets until they locate and confront this man. and presumably, you know, beat him up or what have you. Sure. So in 1973, they're now about 18 years old. Joseph got into a bar fight and he was nearly killed by an opposing gang member. This gang member stabbed him, puncturing his lung and leaving him with chronic respiratory difficulties for the rest of his life.

And Tony, Anthony, when he heard about this, in a direct act of retaliation, tracked on the assailant and beat him nearly to death with his bare hands. Like this is how like loyal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So because they spent so much time together and frequented also a place called the

Gemini lounge, it just became a very easy transition for people to call them the Gemini twins. And this is everybody from law enforcement called them the Gemini twins to like underground mob. Sure. Folks called them the Gemini twins. I went on astroclub.com to type in their kind of compatibility just to see. Yeah, and it says here, what happens when fiery, impulsive aries meets cool, quirky Aquarius? You get a whirlwind of innovation, a dash of rebellion, and potentially a love story for the ages. And I went, happy pride.

Maybe. Yeah. Or at least a very interesting chapter. Instant intellectual connection. Aquarius loves Aries bright mind, mutual admiration for each other's independent spirit. Aries is drawn to Aquarius's unique perspective. Aquarius is intrigued by Aries boldness. They're both forward thinkers who are not afraid to challenge a status quo.

This shared rebellious streak can be a major bonding point. Literally, that's an interesting way to put that, considering we're talking about. Like, crazy town. And I mean, I had that in there because last week was going to be the astrology week. But like it's still really, I mean, to me, I find that very interesting. But in any case, Anthony and Joseph were introduced at this. Remember at the wedding, this guy, Roy DeMayo showed up at the wedding. So Anthony and Joseph were introduced to this guy.

He's like a high up, big guy in the mob. Harvey Chris Rosenberg, a Canarsie gangster introduced them to Roy DeMeo in 1966. or sorry, he had met him in 1966 while dealing cannabis at a gas station, as you do. And initially, Chris, who introduced them to DeMayo, Chris hired Anthony and Joseph for minor tasks like washing his corvette and his Porsche and, like, occasionally stealing a car or two. Sure. Yeah, you know, just starting him, starting out small. Yeah, he's like door dashing and also like lifting cars.

Yeah. So by 1974 now at age 19, Anthony and Joseph officially joined Roy DeMayo's crew. And this was like a big deal, right? So this guy who's like hired them for small jobs is like, let me introduce you to the big fella. Yeah, you've earned your place in introducing yourself to some people. Exactly. And now you prove yourself from here on out. And so that's what happened.

Yeah, they met, they joined Roy's crew. They operated actually out of the Gemini lounge. and the lounge itself, the bar, it was this blue-color neighborhood bar on Flatlands Avenue in Canarsie, Brooklyn. The crew expanded to include a few more guys, including, now this is where I included all their names because they all have a whole, you know. Joey the mutt, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

Okay. Joseph Dracula, Giuliolemo. That's Roy's cousin in case you're wondering. Okay. Dracula feels a little too flamboyant for me. I feel like Dracula was a shock to me. Yeah. Yeah.

It's got to be like Pete the killer. Yeah. It felt really out there. Yeah. Dracula, Jiamo, Henry Borelli, Frederick de Nome, Vitoorraine. Okay, so actually a lot of these are just Italian names. But they still sound imposing, don't they? Yeah, the one, I think one of them was called Moneymaker.

Like, there were just some wild, like very 70s, 80s. like I wish I knew what art what we would be called if we got a cool nickname from a gang it wouldn't be cool I feel like it'd be something like the mouth like like fucking like podcasters like I don't know we'd be like we're the Gemini twins and they'd be like literally stop it's Christine the mouth right there yeah Christine the mouth is so true I'd be like broad of broadcast and it'd be like get the mouth out of here silence the mouth mm-hmm okay so So the crew expanded to include a few more guys, Dracula, Henry Borelli, Vito, Carlo. Anyway, within this structure, Anthony gained a reputation for providing the crew with significant

revenue through his coordination of auto theft and international chop shop rings. And I like to think he put that on his LinkedIn bio because it is so well written. I mean, God, he's got a, he's really got like an elevator pitch for himself, you know. So despite Tony's commercial success as what they called the moneymaker, he was highly disliked by Albert de Mayo Roy's son who stated, quote, there was something slick and phony about him. Now this is messy, right? Like you have the big mob boss and then the mob boss's son is suspicious and jealous of you. But your dad has taken him under his wing. Like this is messy already.

you can tell. Immediately there's going to be a problem. Egos are like on alert, you know, they are sensitive. They are fragile. So things escalate rapidly here, just hold on tight. On April 19, 1979, Roy DeMayo, so like top dog, he publicly executed college student Dominic Raguichi after mistaking him for a Cuban hitman. Ooh, that's a that's a that's an oopsie daisy right there. It's a really bad one. So to avoid the immediate police crackdown, of course, the crew went to hiding and Anthony and Joseph fled to California. Okay.

Shortly thereafter on May 11, 1979, Chris Rosenberg was executed by Roy as restitution to a Cuban drug cartel that Chris Rosenberg had defrauded. And Chris Rosenberg, remember, is the one who had introduced them. Chris was the one who introduced them. So Chris was the one who had hired them for, like, clean my Porsche and clean my car. and microvet or whatever. And like, I'll introduce you to the big man. Right.

Okay. So then the big man had him executed. I see. Okay. Got it, got, got it. Yeah. So, like, messy on every level. Yeah.

So they executed, um, executed him as restitution to a Cuban drug cartel that Chris Rosenberg had defrauded. So it was like a punishment, quote unquote, for defrauding this, this cartel they were working with. Following Chris Rosenberg's murder, Joseph then took. took on as the role of Roy's primary lieutenant and right-hand man. Ooh, big promotion. Big promotion. And especially to execute the one who was serving that position and then be like,

step right up. Yeah, horrifying. It's like, oh, I got it. So I could just die at any minute. I guess in that case, you're already kind of in that mindset, you know? You're like, I might as well go all the way to the top, you know? Yeah. So he took that over, which was obviously the position held by Chris previously.

And the crew at this point, like when in this. what do you call it in this iteration of the crew they were suspected of committing somewhere between 75 and 200 murders hmm wow the yeah and they had a routine they had a whole process okay the crew perfected this precise routine to dispose of bodies known as the gemini method oh shit okay this is a lot of jemini slander as far as i'm concerned but but as a jemini i'm curious what this means i'm pretty you're also like loving like Oh my God, we're talking about me again? Okay.

What's that? There is a fallout boy line. Hold on. Hear me out. There's a follow boy line and it goes, I don't care what you think as long as it's about me. But damn. Well, right now, I agree with that. Right now in this case, I agree with that.

I even have a T-shirt speaking of that says the best, and then the next line is the best of us can find happiness in misery. That's the next line. I know. Listen, it's really good stuff. So the Gemini method. Okay. So there could be a lot of hilarious memes here with Gemini method. Ha, ha, ha, ha, okay.

Leave us more. Christine said, don't even fucking try it. Don't even get me started. So I can just hear you right now. Okay. The crew perfected a precise routine to dispose of bodies known as the Gemini method to prevent the discovery of physical evidence and eliminate the corpus delicti under Roy DeMeo's famous motto, no body, no crime.

Okay. Can I guess the Gemini method as a Gemini? Absolutely, you may. Immediately you remove teeth and fingerprints. Oh my God, that's just horrific. I did not think that you were going to just go right there. But wow, okay. Am I wrong?

If you're trying to get rid of evidence, right, you get rid of dental records and fingerprints. So chop off their hands, chop, get rid of their teeth. Um, no? Did I say that too quickly? Is it suspicious? Here's what I'll say. It's just so. so much more gruesome in detail that I don't, I don't even think. So it's just like, it's,

okay, okay. I think what you're saying is correct, but it's also at some level like amateur hour. Sure. I don't even know if that's the Gemini way. It's just like classic murdering and trying to hide the body way. Right. Maybe that's what that is. But no, but you're, I mean, you're right. Like that was the idea to, to, but wow, you really shocked me when you just said like, take the teeth out. And I went, wait, whoa. And then I realized like, oh, we're getting rid of the identity. I'm part of a true crime podcast in almost 500 episodes. And I think I had her. remove the teeth by now, you know? I think maybe you do.

And I think maybe you're onto something. Um, and maybe you will really regret hearing the rest of this information. Okay. Um, because it also contains. I was going to say it's my, my payment for making you listen to being drawn and quartered again. You know, I was actually going to say I was a little bit upset by that drawn and quartered information.

And then I realized what I'm about to tell you is so much. So. Okay. It's, well, it's not even darker. I guess it's not darker because, well, I hope and say. Let's find out together. It's not for me to say. It's not for me to say.

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Okay. Let's go. Let's go. First, the victim was lured through a side door of the Gemini lounge into the flat and shot once in the head with a suppressed pistol. A towel was instantly wrapped around the victim's head to contain blood flow. Okay. Another crew member would immediately plunge a knife into the victim's heart,

stopping the heartbeat to halt blood pressure and prevent massive hemorrhaging from the head wound. Okay. So far, we're like, it's mercy killing and then we're like trying to stay scientifically as clean as possible. Mercy killing is an interesting way to put it. I know. As I said it, I went, but at least it's like, let's put this way. coming from someone who just described being drawn and quartered

and it's like nothing but pain I was like at least like right to the head is at least comparatively between the two situations probably an easier way to go. You're right it's very humane. Pasture raised. Yeah I hear I hear I hear it. I know I'm just kidding. I know it's fucked up I'm sorry okay

no no no no yeah it is fucked up there's really nothing else to say I don't like condone what they're doing but like you know well yeah I would think not But yeah, it's fascinating to stop the heartbeat. I mean... It sounds like a doctor told them to do that. Yeah. That's what I'm saying scientific.

But do you remember he worked as a butcher? He had like anatomical knowledge. And who knows if that's his skill he brought to the table or if this is something they would just know as crime bosses? So horrible. But I mean, I know it and I didn't want to. So, you know, it happens. Sometimes you just know things. That's...

Okay. the body was then dragged to the bathroom hung over the bathtub okay see this is where i'm getting the butcher shop stuff again yeah yeah just hit and to let the blood drip on or something really feel yeah yeah it's starting to feel like that was that's what's happening the body was dragged to the bathroom hung over the bathtub and allowed to bleed out down the shower drain oh so that the remaining blood would congeal making dismemberment easier i mean trying to trying to take all feeling out of this. That does make sense.

It is strategic. Well, I mean, I think it's just how you butcher an animal probably. Yeah. Well, I've never even really thought about how you butcher an animal. So, okay, makes sense why they do it with animals too. I'm assuming, I mean, I don't know either really, but I know a lot of this seems very similar. To prevent forensic trace evidence on their clothing, crew members frequently executed this

process in their underwear. Okay. now that part feels like Gemini to me that's where I'm starting to understand the connection but that and only that I it's interesting because I would have thought more dexter where it's like put everything in like a plastic tarp including yourself but naked to me I guess that makes sense but gotta remember this is also like the 60s so I don't know that we have like saran wrap at this point is probably like the newest thing on the block you know I guess my thought was like if we're trying to like if we're worried about like remnants of it being on us to do it all naked so there's nothing but blood on us feels kind of counterintuitive. But I don't know. I don't know why I'm overthinking this. I mean, I'm assuming if there are this many steps that there's probably a cleaning process afterward. Do you know what I mean? Sure. You're right. If they were able to get away with 75 to 200. I don't know. They clearly knew what they were doing, unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately. So,

ugh, God. Okay. So crew members frequently executed this process. in their underwear. Fifth, the congealed corpse, that's a horrible word. The congealed corpse was placed onto a plastic swimming pool liner. So you were right on that front. Spread across the living room floor.

Using butcher's tools, the crew systematically cut the body into manageable pieces with Anthony once reportedly sawing a single body into nine separate pieces. Like reportedly, like they're bragging. It's just so gross.

Yeah, yeah. Sixth, the body parts were placed in plastic bags, packed in cardboard boxes, and transported to Brooklyn's Fountain Avenue landfill. And you remember they have ties to the recycling landfill. Wasn't that a thing in like the Sopranos or something where it's like you work for the landfill or like. Oh, probably.

I feel like there's something. Right. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about like you have a connection to a dump site. Yeah. That's kind of exactly what seems to be happening here. The massive volume of daily waste deposited at the dump made finding the remains virtually impossible,

leading authorities to abandon a planned federal excavation because it was deemed too costly and unlikely to locate evidence. So they're sort of thing like, it's here, but like good luck finding it, you know. Yeah, like there, yeah, it's not even worth it. Hmm. Cooperating witness Vito Arena later testified in federal court about a 1979 dismemberment of two car ring members inside a dark building. Vito stated that during the dismemberment, Roy said, we have to cut them up. And then Roy instructed me and Henry Borelli, believe it or not, to go and buy some pizza for everyone. Oh, my God.

God. It's just like, so gruesome. And also, like, maybe the ordering pizza was like, just get out of here so you don't have to witness anything. But it also feels like, is it as casual? It's like, oh, we're just going to get pizza after this because, like, we don't even think about this. I think it's more like you're the interns, go get the pizza. We're doing all this hard work, but. That's wild that you could eat after that. It's like I would never be able to eat again.

Agreed. Really agreed. Oh, my God. Andre Katz, a 22-year-old auto mechanic, became the crew's first documented murder and dismemberment victim. So Andre had purchased a stolen vehicle from the crew and after being arrested, began cooperating with a grand jury. and when they found out that he was like cooperating and would potentially testify

blaming Chris Rosenberg for his legal troubles, he was beaten first and his brother Victor later testified that he claimed that two assailants were Joseph and Anthony. But he himself wasn't in court because on Friday, June 13th of 1975, the crew had their female associate Babette. Okay. I know. Babette Judith Questel. They had her successfully lure Andre to her apartment complex for what he thought was a date. Okay.

Upon arrival, he was forcefully abducted by Chris Rosenberg, Henry Borelli, Joseph, and Anthony, and transported to the meat department of a pantry pride supermarket in Rockaway Beach, Queens, where Roy DeMayo was waiting. Gotcha. Andre was stabbed multiple times in the heart and back with a butcher knife by Chris Rosenberg in revenge for a prior shooting that had disfigured Chris Rosenberg's face. Once dead, his body was stripped of his clothes and dismembered by Roy and Joseph, leveraging their training as butcher apprentices. The head was severed and placed through a commercial machine normally used for compacting cardboard boxes. Oh, shit.

That's truly like out of the soprano. or some shit. Yeah, because like you think about having a dump at your disposal and sure, you'd have the tools for that too. A whole trash compactor. Mm-hmm. So, yish, okay, the rapt remains were deposited in the supermarket dumpster where a pedestrian walking a dog spotted one of Andre Katz's legs lying on a curb near the store.

And wouldn't you know it? the body had to be identified using dental records. So you were on to something that they didn't seem to figure out. I am shocked that that's the Gemini method because I thought surely you wouldn't just take nine chunks of a person and then just put them in a fucking box. Like I would think you would take those smaller chunks of a person and then like burn them or something. That was their first identified victim. Oh, oh.

Oh, oh, I see, I see. So I think that was like before they've developed a method to this craziness. Like, I think that was just the first, the early example of like their first victim. And then it kind of just continued on from there. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah, he was the first documented, um, of dismembered and murdered and dismembered. And then they started like creating a process around that.

Mm-hmm. So, here we go. Joseph and Henry Borelli were arrested, but they secured an acquittal in January 1976, so the murder remained a core target for federal investigators. Frank Amato was a Gambino associate married to Constance Castellano, the daughter of Gambino family boss, Pauly Castellano. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

In a traditional old world-style wedding. Now, talk about time machine. I want to take a time machine to that wedding. Following the marriage, Paul Castellano set Frank Amato up in business as an Italian ice distributor, which quickly failed. Frank was put to work as a butcher at dial meat purveyors and the meat market franchises managed by Paul Castellano's son Joseph and Philip. And now that they had all of this access, they were like expanding. And at these supplier sites, Frank Amato and other butcher's would also do some. like really nasty tactics like with the food so they would bleach tainted outdated and

uninspected meats to like try and keep them looking fresh yeah it's not it's really nasty um so they would bleach tainted outdated um and uninspected didn't be it's using formaldehyde and a preservative powder known as dynamite to put red color back into the meat and they used counterfeit USDA stamps and labeled meat as beef or pork without actually verifying what it was. Yum. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So I tell you all this about Frank Amato because fearing that Frank Amato would cooperate with federal agents and angered by reports that Frank Amato had made unwanted sexual advances toward female employees, Paul Castellano said he's got to die.

Roy de Mayo shot Frank Amato to death with a machine. gun. Oh my God. And I know. And Roy, Henry Borelli, Anthony, Joseph, and Frederick and Richard Denome, dismembered the body. The remains were then loaded into Richard DeNome's cabin cruiser and dumped several miles out to sea. In 1986, Marat Balugula, the leader of the Russian mafia in Brighton Beach, operated a multi-billion dollar gasoline bootlegging scam. And after being extorted by the Colombo family, Marat agreed to pay street taxed, sorry, this is a lot of, like, mob talk. A lot of, I was like, oh my God, I feel like I'm just sitting in. I know.

I'm like, the gargoyles would have been useless by now. Like, we've lost the, yeah. So he agreed to pay street tax to the Luchasee crime. Is I say that Luchasee? Likaze. To the Likaze crime family under boss, Anthony gas pipe. Gas pipe. See, that's much better than moneymaker or Dracula.

Totally. Dracula, establishing a partnership that became the five families, largest moneymaker after narcotics. So, Mara, I hope I'm saying that right. Balagula, Balagula. His deal was viewed as a sign of weakness by his rival, Vladimir Reznikov, who opened fire on his office with an AK-47, wounding several secretaries and killing an associate.

And then on June 12, 1986, Vladimir Reznikov entered the Odessa Nightclub, pressed a 9-millimeter Beretta to Marat Balagula's head and demanded $600,000 saying, fuck with me and you're dead. You and your whole fucking family, I swear, you understand. Oh, my. Marat suffered a heart attack as a result. Damn, just from the stress. Yes, and he contacted Casso and Casso viewing Vladimir Reznikov's actions as a threat

to the entire Kosanostra. told Marat Send word to Vladimir First of all, great line Send word to Vladimir that you have his money that he should come to the club tomorrow We'll take care of the rest

So now they're laying in wait For this guy Totally Marat warned You sure this is an animal They were sure Okay The following day Vladimir Reznikov arrived

At the Rasputin nightclub To collect his money Upon discovering Marat was absent, Vladimir launched into a barrage of profanity and walked back into the parking lot. This is where Joseph ambushed Vladimir, shooting him six times in the arm, leg, and hip. And as Vladimir attempted to draw his own weapon,

Joseph, quote, finished him off with a seventh bullet to the head. Ooh. Joseph then entered a getaway car driven by Anthony and left Brighton Beach. So like the Gemini twins in the getaway. car there they go okay zoom casso later noted after that marat didn't have any problems with other russians okay um you know what thank god thank god seriously in late nineteen eighty two paul castelano ordered frank thank you oh god desicco i don't know in late nineteen eighty two paul castelano ordered frank de sico

to arrange the murder of roy de mayo because roy was now a threat to this whole enterprise he's under heavy law enforcement investigation. And Paul Castellano's like, if he turns, everyone underneath is screwed. Because of his fearsome reputation, like, Roy de Mayo is like this huge crime boss. Frank found it difficult to find anyone who would like take out a hit on this guy. I don't believe him. Or he's trying to take out a hit, but he can't find anyone he wants to do the hit. No one's volunteering.

Yeah. No one's volunteering. No, no, no. So Frank recruited Anthony and Joseph members of Roy's crew to kill their own boss. Double agent.

I mean. That's, I mean, is that not the most Gemini thing you can be? It is. It's starting to really track at this point.

Don't they say Gemini's are two-faced? It's like, yeah, they do. Well, now you're against your own kind. Crazy. Oops.

According to Sammy the Bull, Gravano, Paul Castellano, wanted the whole de Mayo crew killed because they had all become serial killers. Wow. Feels like fighting fire with fire, but it does feel like you can. It's like Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein against his own monster.

Right. It's like, well, who actually is creating this problem? I kind of want him to perpetuating a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that kind of. Okay. You want to kill the killers.

Okay. Sure. Yeah, sure. Whatever. So Frank DeSico approached Anthony and Joseph, told them about the contract on them but promise they would get a pass, meaning they would be spared if they killed Roy. So that's basically how they talked them into it. They're like, well, we'll put out a hint on you two. Nobody has a problem with that. But we'll spare you if you kill your boss. Right.

So Casso also claimed he ordered Anthony and Joseph to kill Roy, assuring them there were, would be no retribution and then they would just like join the big family and everybody would just be happy again. It's all good. Don't even worry about it. Disney family ending. On January 10, 1983, Roy visited Patrick's Body Shop, Patrick Testa, Motors, Inc. in Canarsie, Brooklyn, to collect money. Anthony and Joseph were both there, and as Roy DeMayo sat down and waited for a cup of coffee, like he had countless times, they shot him dead. On January 20th, 1983, Roy was found in the trunk of his Cadillac, his body was found, I should say, in the trunk of his Cadillac, Coop de Ville. at the Veruna Boat Club parking lot he had been shot multiple times in the head

with a defensive bullet wound in his hand and a chandelier placed on top of his frozen body. Interesting. Yeah. Symbolic. Bizarre. I think they probably were like, let's just put something.

Something so obvious that it's clear that we were here. No, I think they were hiding him in the trunk. They put him in the trunk and they put a chandelier on it. I was like, so. I don't I couldn't. It's like, Phantom of the opera. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, this makes, okay, whatever. That makes a lot more sense. Sorry, no, he was in his own. It doesn't really

make more sense though. No, it makes more sense what I was thinking like, it's like a calling card of like. Oh, no, yeah. I think it was more just like, oh, let's put him in the trunk and then put something else in it to like hide him, sort of. Or maybe there was already a chandelier in the trunk and they just put him in it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Um, because it's his car.

So I don't really know the answer to that. Um, so the Gambino family did keep their word and they spared Anthony and Joseph, but they did not want them associated with their family. So they were passed off to Caso and officially made in the Lucchese family, crime family. In October 1984, the federal government issued a multi-count indictment targeting the international stolen car export ring. And together, the defendants were tried. It was Paul Castellano, Anthony Gaji, Henry Borelli, Peter LaFrocia, Ronald Tarikian, Edward Rendini, Ronald Ousica, Joseph, Anthony,

whole gang was there. Paul Castellano was assassinated on the streets of New York during the trial. Yes. This shit is getting bonkers. I won't say who, but I know someone who witnessed his death. What? Yeah. The fuck?

Not like they were in on it, but like they hid behind a car and witnessed it. What the fuck? M. Literally I said that and you were like, oh, yeah. Well, because earlier when you said Paul Castellano, I went, I don't know if I'm going to tell that story. Holy shit. I have to text you later. Okay. Wowza. So moving right along, he was assassinated on the streets of New York with no witnesses during the trial. Well, during the trail. No, I'm saying no, no, I'm saying no witnesses, not even the person you're talking about. That's exactly right. Keep him about it. the out of the headline. It's exactly right.

The jury acquitted both Anthony and Joseph of conspiracy to transport stolen vehicles and substantive transport charges. They also face charges under certain laws for conspiring to violate the civil rights of federal witnesses by basically killing them. It feels a little wild to say they violated their rights. Yeah, okay. Does feel odd. So all this to say, the jury was unable to reach a verdict on the civil rights conspiracy count for Anthony and Joseph.

There was a mistrial because of it. And in May of 1988, the court rejected their double jeopardy claims and ruled they could be retried on the civil rights conspiracy count. They then merged that into a 78 count racketeering indictment charge, Rico, 24 individuals. associated with the de Mayo Cruz. So this is one of those like where you see those documentaries where it's like they're just putting, they're like explaining to you like all the pieces that's kind of. It almost feels like a combo deal at a restaurant. It's like a, yes. Just how do we fit everybody into these charges? And in like it's somehow all connects with that red string. So the trial began on February 22nd, 1988 before judge

Vincent Al Broderick. It lasted 16 months and produced over 30,000 pages of transcripts. involving over 250 witnesses. So some of the co-defendants included were pretty big names. The one I'm going to point out here is Douglas Riga. And Douglas Riga was actually known for supplying pornographic films to the crew. That was like his role in the crew. So even he was part of this like big RICO, like we're putting them all under one umbrella. He had actually paid them to murder his uncle over a real estate dispute.

So, you know. Okay. I mean. Just one example. What a dispute. It must have been. What a dispute. During the trial in October 1988, Anthony and Joseph were arrested on drug possession charges after being caught using cocaine in the courthouse bathroom.

Like, easy slip up. During the trial. Are you okay? Come on. No. Come on. In June 1989, the jury convicted Anthony and Joseph. of racketeering and 10 counts of murder.

Okay. In September 1989, Judge Broderick sentenced both men to life imprisonment for the murders, plus a consecutive 20 years for racketeering and $35,000 in fines. The assistant U.S. attorney at the time stated at sentencing, the Roy de Mayo crew is the most violent crew ever prosecuted in federal court as far as my knowledge. And asserted that Roy engaged in wholesale slaughter. Wow. Yes.

Wow. Yep. And because their crimes occurred prior to the abolition of federal parole in 87, both remained eligible for parole. And yeah, just really crazy. Anthony and Joseph have also been linked to like dozens of other murders of like other mobsters, you know, that they had been involved in. So really we don't know like the full extent of it. Anthony was paroled in 23 and was released in June of 24.

Wow. After serving 35 years. And Joseph was paroled in 2024. He resided in Henderson, Nevada, where he died this year, January of 26 at the age of 71. Wow. But yeah, Anthony's still out there. So, you know, pretty crazy stuff.

I, that's a tall order to cover. any Italian mob case. I really tried to dwindle it down, and I had such confidence that I would remember how to frame it in a way that was like, oh, you'll remember, you know, what this means. And like, I don't know, it's a, it's also, I mean, it's years of friendship ally,

or friendship enemy, friendship, enemy, like, and everybody's got tied into each other. Families and, you're really only telling like one chapter of a very large story. Oh, yes. I think that this could be a very big, HBO like well it probably is because it's called Sopranos but you know what I mean like this could be like an actual it probably is a documentary but I'm sure there's many documentaries about just tiny

just like the the big five like slivers of the families yeah right exactly oh my god wow no that was that was well done that's it's tough to cover any of them because every single one of them has like Polly Castellano has yeah exactly he just was a guest appearance on that story there were I was like I'll I'll pick two or three of them, like, just, like, notable, like, events or victims. And it was like, oh, my God. Like, it's just endless. Like, I don't, I just kind of had to pick and choose, like, examples, which is kind of dark. Well, and also, I got to share more about my lore about someone knowing.

I know, but, like, you left us with such, like, a little tease. I'm, like, so intrigued. To be fair, it was, the person that knew about it was, he was a family member, but he, he died. already. So it's not like, it's not like they're going to come looking for us. Okay, okay. And also, why would they? Apparently, he kept his mouth shut the whole time. So no one, no, apparently so. Took it to the grave literally. But no, and he, it was my grandpa. But he was very drunk one night and let it out. And he was like, I've never told anybody this. And I went, oh, but he was just walking home and witnessed it. And he hid behind a car. And then he was like, I just watched Polyka.

Castellano die. Holy shit. And then it was like, I'm not telling a... I'll never tell a soul. He said, I'm never telling a soul. I don't want to come back to me. What was his zodiac sign? Because it certainly wasn't Gemini. The day before Halloween. So, Scorpio. They are good at those fucking secrets, those Scorpio. They live under a fucking rock. Mysterious. Anyway, it was... Wow. I remember hearing about that and not... He also told me when, like, I was much younger, I wouldn't have...

have cared at all about any Italian mob family history. So maybe that's why he said something to me because he didn't get around. But whatever. It's gotten around now. But it happened after. Now you're on a microphone. Anyway. But he's done. So whatever. Okay. Well, that was very good. That had to be a lot of research. Good job. Thank you. It was a lot of research. But then I paired it down. And then it was almost like, I wish I had kept a little more of that. But no, it's fine. It was too much of an order to do more in depth than that. But yeah, next time I will come with something maybe a little bit less of a cast of characters, you know, we'll see. I don't know. If they've got fun nicknames like that,

they're always welcome. All right. Well, that was Christine the Mouth Schiefer. Yeah, wait, what are you? I don't know. Am the brains. Wow, that's a nice thing to say, but no. It's like an ironic nickname, isn't it? No. No, that was a very good, Christine. Thank you for, and you finished out our birthday. Oh my gosh. Because I was technically our birthday episode originally. Happy birthday. Well, everyone hope you are having a good Pride month.

Uh, happy week. This, I think this one comes out. It's officially halfway through the year. So, um. Oh my God. Yeah. So, uh, with that, Tudaloo and. Let's get out of here.

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