And That's Why We Drink - E496 Honeymoon Hamburgers and Whale Princes

Episode Date: August 30, 2026

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and produced by PTZ Insurance Agency Limited. The ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. Do you want to know how my grandmother says hello every single time? Like if you call, if you walk in the room, like my mother's mom goes like this. Hally hallo!

And it's like so... That's beautiful. hallie hallo and she's um she sings in the church choir she's not even religious she only goes to sing but like she has that really high freaking oh my god so sometimes when there's just like a pause before greeting i just that intrusive thought comes in i um as an adult that would scare the shit out of me but as a kid you know you're like grandma's here like it sounds like a little i was more like oh no grandma's here oh i see okay you know it's okay we've had had our ups and downs.

My, that sounds a, it sounded very, um, chipper and my gammy had a lot of chipper, uh, entrance taglines. So, she's extremely chipper. Yeah, that's the, it's like the singing in the kitchen, the humming that like, like, she's just like always singing. Yeah. She's always just delighted about something. Every morning you would wake up, if you slept over at my gamys, you'd wake up to a song and like,

God, I love that woman when I'm not sleeping. But like, every time she. woke me up with a song, I'd be like, you, we clearly don't do this enough. The waking up with the songs is insane. And my father used to do this. And he would go, I've done this on the podcast. I feel it in my bones. I'm repeating it.

I'm repeating. That's okay. Do it again. Hey, spirit guides, this is not me repeating a generational cycle. I've already broken that curse. So please don't punish me. But here's what he used to do. He used to walk in and you go,

Good morning, good morning, good morning. Good morning. sunnonschein and you doth not tauric and what it means is so and he would rip open the curtains right it's like of course blind you you you know

the lyrics translated directly are as follows good morning good morning good morning good morning sunshine you are not allowed to be sad yes you have talked about this before you may not be sad

I mean you know, that's a... Good morning sunshine. There's some people out there who would consider that like a, one of those like daily affirmations like, you better be happy, you better be happy, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am happy. I am wealthy.

I am fulfilled. Well, I'm not allowed to be sad. As you know, I'm such an evil monster when I'm sleeping that my... It was clear whenever I would sleep over at Gamme's because she obviously didn't know who I actually was when I wasn't sucking up to. to my sweet grandma because when my mom wakes me up she literally will like use a stick like I'm a lion and then when I wake up I'm not kidding it's like like I'm laughing but I'm also like really scary it's not funny I'm actually afraid like what have I done to her that's so horrid but she

literally my first my first view that morning will be her dropping the stick and fear and backing up feeling for the doorway she goes it's me it's me it's mom it's me like i'm like what the it's like she truly thinks i'm gonna like pull out the knife under my pillow and stop her lion tamers have seen seen scary things right like their lives are at risk it's a brave job she has well then by gammy would go oh good morning my little birdies and my mom would catch you off guard and you probably never once attacked her you know what i mean you're totally fucking right but

I could hear my mom when my grandma was doing that. My mom being like back away, you don't know what you're doing. It's like, like, tickling a hyena. I know, what is that? It's like my stepdad used to just like rip the covers off aggressively. Like, is that, is that, hey, does everybody, parents do that? Is, or is that just like, I could see it if you're like, if you have a teenager who just won't get up. Right. You have to get to that place where you're, no, there was like never a peaceful way to wake up in any home I lived in. I don't think ever. You know what's, I mean, even. I think I'm afraid to go to sleep because I'm I'm afraid to wake up. That's the most fallout boy emo bullshit I've ever said.

Write that down. Said the bruise, yeah. No, I, a walking bruise is what I am. I'm with you. I, I, you said it and maybe it was supposed to sound really fucked up,

but to my ears, that was right. Thank you. And, uh, even Allison, who like is a very kind wake her upper. The second I sense her in the room,

I go, get away from me. Like, I'm like, what could you need right now? Get the stick. Yeah. Oh, it's so not funny.

But I like, I must have horrified her as a teenager. I know I was nasty as a teenager, but that's crazy. Anyway, did you wake up okay today, Christine? Nobody's saying to me, so I felt good about that. Honestly, the only time I didn't even tell this on the podcast, I talked about this on TikTok, but I, Gio got skunked by three skunks. Welcome to hell. Has that happened before?

Never. Here's what happened. Oh, no. Three of them? 2 a.m. He comes and wakes me up. He's having tummy troubles. I, ever so graciously, go downstairs, let him out.

This is the day after we had this tornado blow through. So I didn't realize there was now like a hole in the fence that he could get out. I'm waiting. I'm thinking it's taking him a long time. Suddenly I'm like, it is 2.15. Like, what is he doing out there? And I look and I just see run up the street, this butt curtain, past the fence, running up the wrong direction down the one-way street and I'm like you've got to be kidding me so I think

he's chasing a cat and thankfully it hides under the truck right in front of my house so I'm like so I run outside it's again now it's about 2.15 in the morning I'm not wearing pants of course why would I be right and I'm like yelling like and I'm saying all his favorite words I'm yelling lunchtime it's like I look fucking insane I'm like lunchtime dinner treat cats like I'm trying everything but he is dead set and all of a sudden he starts sneezing and I'm like what is he sneezing at suddenly a skunk family

darts out from under this truck and into the sewer and this idiot chases them but one of the skunks his booty's too big and it gets stuck in the sewer drain and Gio puts his nose right in that booty

and I tell you what the sneezing the just drenched head to toe. The crying, they can cry. Dogs can cry and I didn't know that. Oh, this luscious like fur and it's just oily skunk

and I finally managed to get this idiot inside and he just runs straight onto the rug. Of course. A brand new rug. Well, because they're just trying to rub it out of their eyes as fast as they can.

Oh my God. Did they, um, so did he really get jumped by all three skunks or was it just the one? Like, did he get triple skunk? He got sprayed by at least one under the truck and then he continued to chase them into and then he got the full i'm saying a lot of words but the full face face spray so how did you when did this happen uh wow it feels like just yesterday but i think it was about a week it was about five days ago and i locked him in the

downstairs bathroom i was on reddit Googling like baking soda you know whatever spraying him down and I was I mean it was just ridiculous like we had already lost power because of the storm that had gone through it was just like I felt like I was a little home on the prairie or whatever that children's book is from America yeah talk about being mad at Allison because when when Hank got skunked I called her like freaking out being like what do what do I do and she was like you could Google it it was two in the morning for her to be fair but it was not the help I wanted I wanted her to teleport there and exit and she couldn't and so nope she was gonna fail no matter what I actively told no one except

then I continued to bitch about the intact I went into complete problem solver mode blazed and like smell it in the house later no they were out of town he and leona were visiting sorry that was part of the problem during the tornado and all this I was home alone I had to open the trap door to the basement and do you remember it was the day we recorded and there were these roofers on the roof and I kept saying like I feel like I'm gonna watch them fall well guess what that day the ladder was still freaking up to the roof and I was like in the in the living room going I am a strong independent woman and like opening the trap door because it's like eight feet tall and like made of the floor it's made of the floor and so I'm like lifting it and Juniper and Moonshine just trot on downstairs like

they're ready to be saved you know from this fucking hurricane and then I'm suddenly like screaming out the door to these roofers like get in the house you idiots you're going to die but the ladder was stuck and it's going to fly down the street and kill somebody. So anyway, they hit their car. I know I've told the story. But that is where I was alone. And then that night, the skunk incident happened. I mean, I, this, you're not going to want to hear this. Oh, oh, it got so much worse. Oh my God, wait. This is the worst part. The next morning I went to yoga. I had washed and tried everything. And the yoga instructor at the end goes, man, it just reeks. And I go, and the whole neighborhood starts talking. And the reason I brought this up is because

the time I was awoken, the day after was so horrible. It was almost as horrifying as a song, the neighbors outside. I heard them saying, does anyone smell that? What happened out here? It's right around this house. And I'm like, in my bedroom waking up and I hear them congregating. Like I'm in some sort of pilgrim like times where like a witch hunt. Yeah, they're coming up on you. Like a witch hunt. They're all gathered outside. And my window's open and I'm like, oh my God, oh my God, don't make a sound. But it's like emanating off me. I just became that guy for the day for the week. I know exactly every single step of the way

that is horrible. Horrid. And honestly, you're not going to want to hear this, but I feel like it was actually a gift that nobody else was there to help you because everyone else's clothes and like the cat. I mean, as you know, as you just said, you don't even recognize the smell at some point on you. So like it would have spread 10 times with...

Oh, God, it was like in my hair. Yeah, and then like the... Because I remember I was, I spent... all night. I was up until like nine in the morning the next day trying to clean the entire house. And thank God we had just like moved in and had very little in the house. So I just had the windows and door open for three days. And I was like if someone wants to steal my shit, they can, I don't care. Just to air it out. Because as you know, that smell is like something you've never smelled in your life. It's like went through the neighborhood. And I think he actually chased these freaking skunks around

the neighborhood because he was gone for 15 minutes. I had no clue where he was. That dog, I mean, he's going to kill. He's going to be the end of me. My nervous is. can't take it. I love that he's still a little silly boy, though. He's just my little prince, and now he's laying in the bed, like taking up the half of the king-sized bed, just living the little prince life. Does it still smell like skunk at all? Because for days after, like, I didn't know it.

I even smelled like that because I got so used to the smell. To be honest, I just stopped caring. I went to the dog park and everyone was like, oh, Hank clearly got skunked. And I went, and then he smelled him. And he went, oh, no, he's fine. And then they smelled me and they went, oh, you didn't clean yourself. That's what happened. I just like got it.

I was like, I don't have the capacity to care about this anymore. And I just stopped caring. I feel so bad for you. It really is like it's one of those things that like, it's one of those things that you are, you can morally feel okay by like wishing on a worst enemy, you know? It's like,

like hand, foot and mouth. It's like, talk about like a big inconvenience, but like. Yes. And like somewhat embarrassing and really a pain in the ass, but like ultimately not a huge danger, hopefully if it doesn't get to eyes and stuff.

temporarily physucking sucks it just sucks it was it was not cute for like my few days as an independent woman you know alone at home and i'm sorry but the trapdoor to keep me safe from the hurricane that sounds like you actually really didn't have any fun while they were gone is like the skunk is the least of my life worries but it's the only thing that feels like you know it's like the skunk like it was like the cherry on top you know it is it goes like that you know it's like, oh, the night I needed to sleep. It's like, how about instead at two in the morning after you finally got power instead of sleeping with air conditioning finally?

Like, you actually have to be awake now and trapped in the bathroom with this dog for two hours. Dude, I mean, you're, it's like we lived in the same story. And it's like, it's just insane on top of everything. It just, it's just the umbrella on top of all. Now everything smells like skunk. When I, when he got skunked, it was the last time I was letting him out for the night, it was two in the morning. And then I was like, well, I guess I'm cleaning for the next seven hours in my life.

I guess this is now my life. Oh, my God. And that was the day I found out he's scared of baths. That was a bad day. So it's like, oh, you really fucking need one. Oh, well, you really, this is the time to find out. Yeah. No, but that was actually, I mean, you and Gio have clearly already bonded.

But that was for us, that was the moment. First time we had to put our differences aside. Yeah, clearly. This is to save both of us. I'm assuming that's why you drink, even though it's a few weeks old. You know what? It is why I drink, because there are so many. reasons, but they're all far too insane and heavy and gigantic. So, you know, that'll be for another

catch me somewhere else on that. I don't know. Okay. What do you drink? I have no idea. I'm drinking just water. Cool. I'm just kind of trying to survive. What are you drinking? I'm also drinking water, but I'm drinking, I'm surrounded by bottles of half drink water that I keep leaving everywhere. And now my goal throughout this is to just drink all of them. You marry the ketchup? what you marry the you marry the waters you can't just say that twice and now what are you talking about it's like what you do when you work in a restaurant

you put the at the end of the night you consolidate yes I'm marrying the ketchup but my body is the ketchup bottle and the ketchup is water and the ketchup is water yeah it's the same thing one time I worked out of farm for a few months I wasn't supposed to, but I just kind of did. And I had a crush on the farmer, Mark, with the sea. Because he went to Harvard and he, like, quoted books and stuff.

And I was 18. So I had a huge crush on him. So I kept going to the farm. And they were like, you're not like, you, your shift is over. And I was like, oh, well, I'm here. But the first day I was there, they were like, you have to consolidate the lettuce. And they kept saying that. And I was like, I don't know what that means.

I don't know what that means. And so I stood by the lettuce. and I just was like, oh, yes, I'll move this bin on top of the fridge. Could that be consolidating? Like, I stood in there for like an hour being like, what do I do? And then finally they were like, did you consolidate the letter? Exactly. I was like, and I said, I think so.

And they were like, well, let me do it real quick. And then they just don't let us in. And I went, oh, I thought you said move it on top of the fridge. My bad. Literally, I hate to break it to you. but I think the, first of all, a farmer from Harvard is like straight out a hallmark. I know and I thought that I was the co-star, but alas, I was just the quirky sidekick in the background who didn't know how to consolidate the lettuce.

I do think someone else probably came along and you were just like the comedy point in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, she was really pretty too. Yeah. But yeah, I think if he's from Harvard and you didn't know the phrase consolidate the lettuce, he probably went, we are in different brackets, I think. Well, that was also the week that I found. out I had been accepted to the program where I met Allison go forth, which was the philosophy seminar, like live-in philosophy seminar that she and I both did. So I told Mark all about

how I got to be part of the live-in philosophy seminar. I'm sure they actually really sucked them in. I bet that one went. Yeah. Yeah, that one got him good. Well, I don't know. You don't know consolidate the lettuce. I don't know Mary the ketchup. So obviously we have, we're meant to be great. So let's get the fuck out of here. I would have looked at you on that farm and been like, this is not our place, babe. It's time. Yeah, I would have been like, marry who? Who's Mark?

I'll marry Mark. Okay, so I, that's what I'm, I'm just drinking a bunch of half loose waters. And then I, today is the new last day that Allison's parents will be here, but they extended their trip. The new last day. What does that mean? They were supposed to leave earlier, but they've extended their trip because the building has become so elaborate of the Spookiesie. I am not allowed to know still what's happening.

I just know that I thought... Is there like a moving walkway or something? I can't wait to find out. Literally, I have... I consider myself generally handy and like if it requires a drill, I can do it. I can do that. But I don't know how to do any of the stuff that they're all doing. Yeah, I mean, not an architect level, I suppose.

Certainly not. Especially like retired decades and decades and decades between them experience. And looking for a project. Hungry for that project. All three of them, it's like family bonding plus just yearning for something to accomplish. I mean, that sounds great. I want them to come over to my house, please. They're all up to something.

But also, let's not forget that they've all been starting at like 7 a. They've all been wonderfully quiet. That's not the problem. there's not even a problem but it's like from 7 a.m. until like past dinner they just are going going going and they still didn't get everything that they wanted to done in time and so they extended the anyway so they're all I can't wait for the tour the like virtual tour afterward me too because I don't even know what's going on there okay fair point the garage is now called the shop officially oh that's kick ass can you keep going oh we're in the shop and oh you're going to

record we'll just be in the shop for the next three hours so I'm like what could you be doing in there But in the shop, please. They're in the shop. I love that for them. Anyway, I, and also, well, I'm not even going to get into that. I have a lot to tell you about my story today. So we got to get into this. So my mom was watching my house and she was like, oh, I have to sign for a package, which

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Angry Orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors. Please drink responsibly. this was originally supposed to be such a short story and then I was like I did my thing where I was like this story's too short I need to find like a quick little deep dive to talk about so like I have enough for us to like banter about and then the deep dives just kept a common and so I want to apologize to the people who like a straight lined story like I'm here for the whirli ride it's going to be a loop to loop kind of situation take my drama mean though I'll warn you when the loop to loops are coming but this This is, the story itself is actually incredibly boring, but every time like... A good start to a podcast. But like the people that come along the way, the friendships you make along the way, I gave them a little Google and I went, oh, this person's so interesting, they deserve a little shout-out. See, okay, we've got, okay, okay, okay, we've got some characters. So I can give you an incredibly short rendition if you like.

It would be about 15 sentences. But along the way, it gets very interesting. So if you recall last week I did haunted fast food restaurants. Yes. And then I said there was a McDonald's that I really wanted to cover. I did not, the McDonald's is one bullet. There's nothing, like I thought I was going to get really into like the nitty gritty of a haunted McDonald's. There really is nothing to talk about except that for a time it was a McDonald's.

But the house itself ended up being its own super interesting story. So. Oh, okay. So let's just say this was inspired. by the McDonald's I thought I'd be talking about. It was this. Okay, but we're also not getting paid by McDonald's, so like they better step up. And honestly, thank God we're not getting paid because I'm only going to mention them once. So otherwise it'd be so disappointing to them.

They'd be like, we paid for a full episode. We wouldn't be getting paid then, probably. So this is one of the McDonald's I did not cover last week. This is the Frontier House. Ooh, okay. Which in the 70s becomes a McDonald's temporarily. Okay, so this is the frontier house, and then I'm also going to add this on. This is mainly for Megan, our social media queen.

Are you okay? I'm just... Oh, I see. You're having fine. I'm vaping off screen. I thought you were, like, fainting because Megan's incredible. Sorry. If I disappeared, Jack, just cut to M when I'm vaping.

Sorry. I'm like having a... I'll tell you about another time, M, but my life's falling apart. Okay. Bye. Can relate? We could go forever. Yeah. So I'm calling this the frontier house. I'm also going to call this the frontier house

and the Morgan Affair because it's such a big chunk of this story and is also like somewhat of a historical event. So if someone wanted to search that on our website and our episode list, then you wanted to be able to type in the Morgan Affair instead of the Frontier House. I don't know. However you want to do it, Megan, I trust you. So this is the Frontier House. It's in Lewiston, in New York, which is in the Niagara area. Aha. I've been to Niagara Falls on my mom's honeymoon. Have you? You got to go on one of their honeymoons. That's sick. I did not. I brought my best friend with me. It was a really insane time.

No, I, I, that's as a child of many divorces, it's much less insane than other things you've said. Yeah, well, we got to write, well, we wrote a poem. Well, we didn't get to. We weren't really asked to, but we wrote a poem for the wedding that rhymed. And then, um, whoa, you know they were I'm sorry. Maybe it was beautiful. But like also, I feel like, okay. I was going to say as the bride and groom, I feel like they were trying to do something sweet and include you, but they're also kind of stifling their laughs and trying to keep it together.

They were just, it was more just that they were absolutely not pleased that I was acting up again. Oh. But it's okay. Because my brother did a violin solo and my grandpa gave him $100. So you know what? Somebody won. He got paid for his his performance and you did not.

He got paid for everything. Yeah. He got paid for that. And so I, that was a trip where Alyssa and I got into a fight about hamburger prices and my mom called me a bitch in the Hard Rock Cafe. Damn. You must have said something really mean about hamburgers. I was right. No, I probably wasn't.

I'm on your side. Whatever you said. Thank you. You know what? Hamburger prices are exactly too high or lower, exactly right, whatever you said. That's exactly right. Thank you. So, this is in the Niagara area.

we've gotten into like a third of one time. I was going to say, I don't know why you've extended this any further. I could probably make it 18 hours. I should know better. This building was built in 1824. It was built as a swanky hotel slash stagecoach shop slash tavern. And it was called the finest hotel west of Albany. West of Albany is a lot of space.

West of Albany. If you said east of Albany, I'd be like, okay, that doesn't make sense. Yeah, that hits the ocean. pretty quick. Yeah. I did Google how many hotels were west of Albany in the 1820s. Maybe they meant like, oh. Because I want to be like, oh, you're number one out of how many.

And also there's no fucking way without a plane that you know this. You're just saying that. Like, that's the perfect thing because it's like negligible. What does it call negligible? What is it called? The D. Dened it. Denedigible.

Plausible. Plossible deniability. Thank you. I was close. Yeah. Plausible deniability. They're like, well, as far as I know, I mean, I haven't taken my private jet in 1822 out to wherever the fuck. So, yeah.

So it is allegedly, I mean, no one was ever going to prove them wrong because they could only walk so many miles in their lifetime. The finest hotel west of Albany. It was built out of three feet thick walls of stone made by only 18 men over only 18 months. is this like a riddle it does feel like they all just took like a one month long shift at a time yeah it feels like a goat was like a magical goat had something to do with it like a beanstalk grew out of this yes no I literally is not saying a bag of beans or something yes

so okay it was made by 18 men over 18 months that's just that does feel like they just said that for the flare and it can't be real like a weird riddle yeah um when it was finished the hotel was 15 rooms which I don't know if that's big or small Wait, there were 18 men. Did they have to like share? Right, did they have to share while they worked? I thought they were all going to contribute a room.

Now, what's fun is that that would have been fun if you let every, okay, hotelier people, I need you at the front. You should have at the hotel staff, M, that's so fucked up. Garcent, Garcent, as I slip you a 500 or something, so you leave me alone. 500. I don't know, this is my fantasy. where like I can just do that. We have traveled to so many holiday and expresses I've never seen you

fall out of $500 bill. Okay, but can you imagine? Can you imagine? I would lose my ever-loving mind. No, imagine something else. Can you imagine a hotel and you let every person who works design their own room

and then everyone has their own little flare? It's also a terrible idea because most people have terrible taste, no offense to most people. It would be very silly though. If you think it's you, it's probably not you. wink, but it probably is. What if they all had the same interest, then they all ended up being the exact same room?

I'd be like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, it was just all like that gray bachelor pad type. Like, everything's kind of too sharp. Well, this one, the only similarity between each of them, I guess, that we know for sure, is that all 15 rooms had a fireplace, which is nice in the 1820s. That's nice. Guests here, because remember, it was super swanky, guests included President McKinley. Okay.

Jeez. Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, the Prince of Wales. What the fuck? I thought you're saying Charles Dickens, the Prince of Wales because of Moby did. My favorite prince of them all. I was so impressed by your hilarious joke, wow. I really wish I could go back in time and really commit to that joke so you thought that was intentional, but no. God, that was funny.

I was like, what a weird title. I've never heard him called that. Okay. I get it now. Charles Dickens, comma, the Prince of Wales, understood,

understood. Now, my favorite person, and we have entered our first loop-to-loop very quickly, our first tangent, one of the people who've stayed here

is Jenny Lind. Do you know the name Jenny Lind? I don't, question mark. Okay. So I need everybody to know immediately.

I know that this is silly that I'm going so in-depth about this purely to say at the end. She was just one of the guests that came to this place and she has no significant meeting to this building.

But she's so interesting. She's so interesting. And also she was the only woman listed out of all the notable guests. So let's give her a moment. Yeah. Let's see. Jenny Lind was a famous soprano opera singer also known. Like my grandma.

Yeah. Holy, hello. You know what? That was Jenny Lynn's favorite song. Aww. She was born in Sweden and her stage name became the Swedish Nightingale. Swedish Nightmare and I was like that's kickass No but that would that would actually

That's for sure though a metal band You know that's like a hardcore band somewhere Swedish nightmare Swedish nightmare Isn't there It's just like the Scars Guard brothers or something just all 36 mafia Swedish mafia am I making that up It's either that or you're having a stroke but I'm not sure which It could be both

So she's a famous opera singer known as the Swedish Nightingale And she was actually now tell me This is the second I saw this title in an article, I was like, obviously she's getting a deep dive. She is known as one of the countries, not, sorry, not sweet in the U.S. She is known as one of the U.S.'s. first female celebrities and is often jokingly referred to as the first Taylor Swift. What? Doesn't that get you? Okay.

Jokingly referred to. Let's not joke about her. It sounds like she is the, like, predecessor. I would agree. She certainly was like, like, everyone knew her. her. Okay, so we're going to go into this. Jenny Lind, like, the name is like, I'm like, I feel like I should know what that it. You know what I mean? It's like it's familiar to me, but I don't.

Well, it sounds so like America's sweetheart, like, oh, Jenny Lynn down the lane. Americana, yes, yes. So she was born in 1820. Did the door just open? I don't know. It's like, now that there's so many people in and out of this house, it's like ghosts are here. So she was born in 1820 and she grew up in Sweden,

but she sang a cross year up from 11 to 28. Okay. Wow. And by 28, she could retire. That's how, like, big her opera singing was. So at 28, this is a quote. I just didn't even want to change this up. At 28, the audience for her farewell performance included Queen Victoria,

who presented her with a gem-incrested nightingale. Well, fun fact. Okay, no big deal here. I'll just bring this gem-incrusted nightingale as a present. Can you imagine? You haven't even hit 30, and then people come into your house and like, oh, my God, what's this little chotchky on your shelf? Oh, you know, the queen gave it to me when I retired.

Are you kidding me? It's really quite good. So, okay, so then she retires. And after retirement, she's like, I should really get into just, like, doing concerts. That'd be like so sick. But she said it in Swedish. So P.T. Barnum of Barnum and Bailey. I almost said his name earlier when you were talking about Lion Tamers. It's, and also you said something about flying a jet and I almost mentioned Taylor Swift. It's, there's a lot of synchronistic. Wow. So P.T. Barnum heard about her and said, girl, you got to get to the U.S. You have to go on tour. or let me be your tour manager. Because he smelled money. Like, like Mr.

Crabs. He was like, Jenny Lynn is my ticket. He's the next Taylor Swift. I can just tell. Like exactly his words. And she was like, who's Taylor Swift?

And he's like, don't worry about it. It's going to be great. Oh, you don't even know the half of it. So he said, I'm going to manage your tour. Just come here.

At the time, nobody actually knew who she was in the United States. She was more of a European thing. But then. Oh, so he's like, let's bring the clap. the yeah the class to to America he said we're going to blow them all away so who she agreed to come on tour uh under his management to the u.s she had all these stipulations i love that she was like

i'm going to decide what music guys saying i want a thousand dollars per show good yeah she's been in show business for her whole life since she's a kid what is this amateur hour so she her whole dream was to one day open a music school for girls so she was like i'm doing this tour purely to make enough money to then just donate it all. So let's make that clear. I need enough for a music music school. So to promote her upcoming tour, he went bananas with the publicity. Everything he could think of he did, which I can't imagine more than like your local paper in the 1820s. Well, I don't know. He's P.T. Barnum. Like if anyone's going to be able to pull a stunt with like, while also hurting animals in the process, you know, like he's going to find a really fucked up way. Well, he nailed it

because basically the hype that he got her was equivalent to like Bieber fever or Beetlemania. Wow. Everyone went bananas. They ended up calling it because her name was Jenny Lynn. They called it Linda Mania. Wow. And thousands and thousands and thousands. I think it was like around like 50,000 people showed up just to see her arrive in New York.

So like imagine getting off a ship and like everyone you've ever seen at this port is here for you. And she didn't even step foot in the country yet. And all these people were so stoked to see her. Her tickets, which were at the time, I don't even, I should have done the math on this, but in the 1820s or 18 whatever's, her ticket was supposed to be $6 in that era's money. But people were so stoked for her that they sold so fast that her tickets became worth $200 each then. And that's when ticket master was born. And that's when someone had the idea certainly.

And they were like, we have to organize. Yeah, yeah. So people were even just buying random items. The hotel maids were like selling her hair that they found in their brushes, like their, like gloves, hats, anything she ever touched. She was like throwing out into the crowds and people were hoarding them for the rest of their lives. She was like one of the first it girl celebrities. Holy crap. She had her own line.

She was actually one of the first celebrities to have their own line of paper dolls. Thank you very much. Ever heard of it? Are you serious? Jenny Lynn Dolls. That's sick. And she ended up also changing the furniture game because she said in some sort of interview, which I didn't even know they interviewed celebrities back then.

She said that she was obsessed with this one bed that she slept with, not slept with, yikes, slept in. It was called, at the time, it was a spool turned spindle bed. And she was like, oh, America has the best bed, these spool turned spindle beds. I am obsessed. I sleep so good. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Helix, Casper, blah, blah, blah.

I was a, I was holding my tongue. Well, so now those beds are called Jenny Lynn beds to this day. So if you want to Google it, it's a very specific type of bed that you can still buy anywhere, but they're known as Jenny Lynn beds because she loved them so much. How do you spill her last name? L-A-N-D. Oh, yeah. Okay. So that's exactly. And that's such that like Shaker Americana style. That is how my stepmom's beds always looked and it always creeped me out because they were also always like 100 years old. and I felt like... It does look like it's from another time. Yeah, it's kind of creepy,

but I like the... I kind of like the... It's very cabin. Yeah. Whimsy, a little whimsical with the... Yeah. Anyway, so she ended up doing almost 100 shows with P.T. Barnum.

So she made almost $100,000 back then, just on his tour. Jesus. And she did another 60 shows in the U.S. after she broke things off with P.T. Barnum. And she made, I think, what would be the equivalent of, like, $10 million today.

Dear God. Donated most of it. And for those who are like Broadway musical people, I am not going to tease you any longer. Yes, she was also featured in The Greatest Showman, also with P.T. Barnum, Hugh Jackman. And she's the one who sang the song, Never Enough. I never saw this movie. I think I watched it on the airplane. It's become like a song that's like a trending song in videos and stuff.

So like you probably have heard the song and don't know. know it. But that was Jenny Lynn singing that song. Okay. What's the name of it? Never enough. Great a showman. Anyway, that's my little spiral on Jenny Lynn, but I thought that was like too interesting. I mean, I can't believe I didn't know that. I feel like some people might be shocked that we didn't know that, but I've just someone out there has a special interest with Jenny and they're so glad that she finally had a moment. Finally. Seriously, she looks. Oh, she's cool. She's a cutie pie. And it's so weird to see like an oil painting of a, her like you know wait she was a superstar it's like that's an oil painting well in the so in the gray

showman they also allude to like p t barnum and jenny lind like having like a thing um i don't know if that part's true or if that was just for the movie but how fun would that be if you're like oh my god like you know the circus guy yeah that's mine oh my god yeah let me have someone oil paint her so you know what she looks like that feels truly so like how um like yin and yang balanced relationships are were like, it's the circus guy and the soprano opera star that could retire by 28. Of course, right? And literally retire and buy a country somewhere. You know, it's like, really, I was in the wrong industry. There's always a fancy pants and there's always the court jester. Meanwhile, my parents want me to go into STEM. And it's like, really? What was I thinking?

Okay. So all of that to say, everyone, she was just one of the many guests that came to the Swanky hotel, the Frontier House. I mean, she sounds like a big deal. So she deserved it. So this was a hotel slash stagecoach shop and tavern for almost 100 years. And since the 1840s, the building has changed ownership like eight or ten times. So it started in the 1820s. The first 20 years, it was owned by the same person. And then it just kind of started changing hands. The hotel had a big few years in the 1960s because there was this huge boom of factory workers that came into the area.

And they didn't have enough housing yet. So then the hotel kind of became a boarding house. where they were renting, it was like daily rates, but they were doing it. They got all those spindle beds. Can you imagine? They should have been like, we only have Jenny Lynn beds after Jenny Lynn stayed here. You can be in the Jenny Lynn suite. They really should have monetized that if they wanted.

I feel like it's a good marketing strategy. I think so. So anyway, they ended up renting the rooms by eight-hour shifts so that way they could have three sets of customers per room every day. Oh, wow. Okay. Just so people could go in there and take us. nap on their break or on their day off and then they could go right back to the factory. So

it's been a hotel. It's been a boarding house. It's been a restaurant. At one point, it was also a museum. It's been all sorts of stuff. But it was also a Freemason Lodge for many years. And I need you to remember that eventually. I will not forget it. I remember the McDonald's and I remember the Freemason Lodge. The only things you have to care about so far, Jenny Lynn was interesting, but all you need to know is it was once a McDonald's. Oh, I care deeply about her. I still have her oil portrait up on the side of the screen, just because I find it delightful.

Listen to that song later. It's a wonderful song. I have like the little page that says like Jenny Lind music and like some of her songs and a picture. It looks great. I'm going to listen to it. Oh, yeah. I like how I'm suggesting the one song she didn't actually sing.

It's just like as if the actress. I met her original music, but yes, I will also listen to the greatest showman song also. Perfect. Okay, so before I get into the Freemason Lodge lore, I want to go on another downward. spiral because this guy is equally as interesting. One of the owners in all of those exchanges of ownership, one of the owners, his name was

George Rector. He added on another restaurant to the building. And this is actually very foreshadowing of not just him, but his son and his grandson, who all became restauranteurs. Okay. So it sounds like eventually down the line, some of his kids also ended up running this place, but we care about George Rector. Okay.

George has a son named Charles. Charles went on to move to New York and Chicago, open his own restaurants, and he created this chain called the Rector's Restaurant. Okay. Makes sense. The first restaurant was actually in Chicago as part of the 1893 World's Fair. Ooh. He ended up opening another Rectors because that one was obviously so successful.

He opened this one like in like the Times Square area on Broadway, like, or not Times Square, sorry, like literal Broadway, 42nd Street. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. If not 42nd Street, let's call it 44th Street nearby. It was in the huge area where all of the actors and theaters and celebrities went in the 1910s. Sure. He served all the celebrities at the time, and the restaurant was so well known as the restaurant where all the Broadway people go that the Ziegfield Follies that I've mentioned in the past, do you know about them? Yeah, sort of.

They were like a, like a musical, they would put on different shows, like variety shows. Yeah. Yeah. They created a show using Rectors as the set of their own show because it was so well known as the restaurant were all of the like Follies and the Artes Go. So that that show was called The Girl from Rectors. The girl, by the way, was fictional. They just threw Rectors in there. And they even had a song featured in the show called If the Tables at Rectors could talk. And they'd say, oh, she paid a nickel and grazed his hand gently.

And by the way, my favorite thing about this show inspired by these famous restaurants, this show, the girl from rectors, was advertised as, and I quote, a spicy salad with very little dressing. Oh, love that. It actually ended up dinging the restaurant's reputation because it made it sound like all the salacious people go there. But that's also kind of what you want. Tinder profile. Okay. So we're not done with the loophole.

I just want to make sure that one of the owners of the hotel was George Rector. His son Charles opened these rector's restaurants. And this one restaurant that was on Broadway that everyone cared about, there was one very famous guy in the Broadway scene. This doesn't mean he was like in theater, but he was just a part of that nightlife crowd. Yeah, yeah, he was just like in it. He was always there. Everyone knew him in the Broadway area of New York. And he was called Diamond Jim Brady.

Diamond Jim. We love Diamond Jim. Okay. By the way, despite him being, like, such an elitist, he's so iconic. I just need everyone to, like, put our capitalist feelings aside for a second, anti-capitalist aside. Because I just need you know I read his obituary. And I was like, in another world, I only wish to be as flamboyant. and iconic as this man.

So in his New York Times obituary, it said, all, there were many obituaries about him. They all wanted to write about him. And they all wrote about him as if it was a love letter. Wow. Diamond Jim was a big guy. He was apparently worth $12 million then, which is now like $462 million today. Yikes. His jewelry alone was worth what is now around $80 million today.

He owned the first car in New York. Oh. Somehow still. had road rage, even though he was the fastest man alive. He's the first person to have road. Wow, wait, you're right. He's literally the only one on the road. So it is all within. You know what I mean? Wow, that's deep. It says something, but he had the first car. I guess he also had the first road rage. And he, I'm assuming because of this road rage, was involved in the first car traffic jam. Like, I'm assuming a car crash happened. He crashed himself. He crashed his own car and created his own

traffic jam and created his own reason for car insurance and he ruined it for everybody thanks a lot like he should have been the blueprint of like maybe cars aren't gonna be maybe let's do it a little different maybe an airbag maybe people named diamond whatever the fuck should like learn how to not drink and drive well he was only assume he was known as diamond because of his 80 million dollars worth of jewels that apparently were so big that it took multiple fingers to hold one yeah so he's driving around barely able to hold onto a steering wheel let alone that's exactly right. He can't even turn the key. There's not even a road. There's horses.

Maybe that's why he had such a road right. She was just weaving between people just walking through the street. Horses, probably. Like, you're just like fucking hitting horses left and right. So he caused this, oh, sorry, this was the... Caused a major traffic accident. This is the sentence in one of his obituaries that made me wish I could... It was very, like, a dolly parton iconic of him.

I'm so intrigued, yeah. But I read this in his obituary. It says, He caused a sensation here recently before his death by purchasing a pair of glasses set with rose diamonds for his dog at $6,500. Back then. For his dog. Yeah, and back then people didn't like do shit like that for their dogs. Like nowadays that's like a celebrity thing.

But like back then, people didn't treat their pets like that. Like he was Paris Hilton or something. It was like so eccentric to behave that way back then. He, so here's the other things about Diamond Jim. And I know I'm going further and further into the rabbit hole. He reminds you of like Elton John, but like. in the jewelry business. I don't know.

That's a great way to put it. I also imagine him. He clearly does not have just clear glasses. Yeah. And like for sure the blinged out glasses. He's like gay Tony Soprano or something. Yes. My favorite thing about Diamond Jim was this man loved to eat.

Like when I, like he should like he would have. He is a soprano. This is crazy. He would have really been into like starring in like muck bangs or something. online. Oh, God. He had a phrase where he was like, I start four inches away from the table and I stop eating when my stomach is touching the table. Wow. So he's like on that Dionysus shit. He's like, just fill me up. Oh, man. Yeah. He's a. They called him in one article the ultimate glutton because everything was too much. Everything was too much. He was so big. And remember, I know we're going further and further down the rabbit hole. But to remind us that we're talking about like restaurants in New York and the area where he was the guy. And he loved to eat. So every restaurant wanted him at their place to be like Diamond Jim eats with us. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

To give you an idea of how much he eats, this was a quote. It's an average dinner he had at Rector's restaurant. Okay, okay. Wow. Tell me if you could eat this, Christine. I have a feeling I can't. Two or three dozen oysters, six crabs, two bowls of green turtle soup, six or seven lobsters, two ducks, a double portion of terrapins, sirloin steak, vegetables, and a dessert platter. of French pastries.

It's an average meal. And the amount of animal, I'm sorry. You know, when you start thinking about how many animals now are in you is just like starts to make me feel actually pretty queasy. When it's literally a farm in your stomach. And like turtle, like wild. Well, Turtle used to be huge back then. Look at all three these fucking menus.

It's like on all of them. Turtle was big. I know you're obsessed with it. It's like your favorite food. I have seen Turtle on one menu, but it was, I think it was like a like this, like a framed, like. Oh, I've seen it offered in in places, but I've never. Still? Okay. I was going to say, I could never. I don't think I could. I'm not going to be

participating in my, my body says no to that. But this man, okay, so it's obvious he fucking loves he. Literally. Yeah, I thought you were like at the oysters. I was like, I could for sure eat it as an oysters. I bet you. And then it like kept going. And I was like, okay, hold on. I'm actually really overwhelmed. He, in one of his obituaries. Two ducks. Don't put two ducks. Like, stop it. People saying two ducks. They just picked her a mallard. And he's just, just going to like eat a mallard like i hate this i mean i was what was the one that threw me off the most it was a uh ugh a terrapin a double portion of terrapin i don't even know what one portion of terrapin is i think it's a what's a terrapin oh is it's a big fish no isn't it that's also turtle right isn't

that like the terps oh wait it's those creepy turtles yeah so he's having why is he eating of turtle soup and then two portions of normal turtural do you know that he just ate nine turtles he just ate an aquarium he is a doctor he is a doctor's Seuss book. He became an aquarium in a Dr. Seuss book by eating nine turtles. That's insane. He's like Sam I am being like, look what could be done if you just opened your mind and your tummy up. Yeah. Look at how fucking, fucking diabolical things get when you try to peer pressure other people into eating things they shouldn't be eating. I mean, even a dessert platter. It's not even just the French pastries. It's a plat like he eats the tray. Literally. But like at least there's not like fucking

wildlife in him. In one of his obituaries, his friend, like could have said anything in his fucking obituary. The friend took the opportunity instead to say, quote, I have seen him eat a pound of candy in five minutes. What else do they have to talk about? If that's what he's busy doing,

eating turtles all the time. Man fucking loves to eat. I cannot get over the fact that he ate two turtles plus turtle soup. It's like you can't get enough turtle in one way. You got to eat turtles in another way. must be somehow to him only delicious. Is it a matter with you, sir? By the way, like to this day at the Beverly Hills restaurant, the famous one over here, they have, you know, you know the place.

They have an extra thick cut of steak named after him still. Oh, I thought you're going to say turtle. And I was like, please don't tell me this. Okay. Besides being able to afford what's probably $50,000 worth of rose lenses for my dog, the only other thing I want of his life is the fact that they're there's an extra thick steak cut named after me. Yeah, everything else I'll pass.

Yeah, but you're right. Those are like trophies. Those are like good, good. Also, he never drank or smoke. Instead, with every meal, he would chug gallons of orange juice. This is just like that stomach. Like the heartburn. Think about the turtle and the orange juice mixing in your stomach.

I mean, we have to imagine what his- I'm making someone so ill on their lunch break right now and I don't regret it. And I am not here to Bobby shame a single person, but like, I'm imagining the health stuff he's dealing with if he's eating that many calories every single day. But on top one sip of orange juice, I'm fucking done for three days. I can't imagine gallons on top of the rest of his diet. I can't. And like the amount of liquid, like the soups and the gallons of juice.

Like this person must be just running in the bathroom. I mean, I can't. I can't. Okay. So climbing kind of out of our rabbit hole now. That was probably as deep as we were going to get. But so every restaurant in Broadway, obviously, once him there is like, like to be like the famous eater comes to our place that's how good our food is and remember we were at um rector's

restaurant that was the big famous one so george and charles jordan charles uh george owned the frontier house his son opened all the rector's and really wanted diamond jim to be like only come into rector's restaurant so at one point diamond jim is there and charles rector hears diamond jim saying i love your food but i really love filet de soul marguerie i've never never had that. But it's a French fish dish. I'm never going to because I don't want to eat anything that this man thinks is a good dish. Okay. Well, luckily for, I don't think Diamond Jim knew who he was talking to, but Charles Rector was like, you don't know this, but my first restaurant was at the World's Fair in Chicago where I opened one of the first, like, really

chic seafood restaurants. And so you're talking to the right person. Oh, what a synchronicity. You're talking to the right person. And at the time, French seafood dishes did not very much exist. in the U.S. So Charles was like, if I want Diamond Jim to come to my place, I need to really wow him and have his favorite Parisian fish dish here. Oh, God. More with this fucking fish shit. So basically Charles Rector doesn't know how to do anything simple.

He could have just fucking, I don't know, called Paris and handled it. But instead, he sent his son. So now we're at George Rector's grandson. Okay. sent his son also named George. So we're going to say George Jr. George Jr. He sent George Jr.

He was like, hey, I know you're at Cornell and you're kind of thinking about law school, but like, would you want to apprentice at a Paris, a Parisian cafe? Like, I know you have a tie wrapped around your head right now and you have no plans for your future, but do you want to go to a Parisian cafe for the summer? So the rumor is that Charles ripped his son out of Cornell.

I don't know how true that is, but ended up sending him to Paris to study under the best French chefs for the summer. Let me guess. The kid probably didn't complain so much about that. But what do I know? He didn't. And he ended up becoming an incredible internationally recognized chef. Oh, good for him. I know I mentioned Taylor Swift earlier, but a different article called him the Gordon Ramsey of the early 19th century. Oh, with all the flare and all that. Yeah. So he became known or he ended up being a cordon blue chef. He was in the society of Parisian cuisineers. He became the only American at this point to ever be approved by Parisian judges to be considered a master of that exact fish sauce that Diamond Jim loved.

That exact sauce. Wow. He went there to learn that one sauce and he went, I'll do whatever it takes. And then he had to like go essentially like a doctoral like he had to like be tested under all these judges. Like master it somehow. Yeah. So he comes back to New York. He starts running the rector restaurant on Broadway just so he can make Diamond Jim this fish whenever he fucking wants.

And I guess Diamond Jim, quote, became one of the best 25 customers they ever had. Wow. Okay. George Rector, Jr., then on top of that, ended up becoming the early 1900s version of a food celebrity, or as he called himself, a food representative at large, me too. A food representative at large? He introduced the country to French cuisine. He served all the celebrities of the time. He wrote books on food.

He had a regular, like, three times a week, CBS radio spot where he talked about food. He lectured on food. He played himself in a movie. I'm thinking about food. This is what I'm saying. You've got to just follow your passions in life, you know? Well, my passion was apparently to absolutely not talk about the frontier house today and just talk about anything else. Exactly.

And look how happy we are. My two favorite things about George Jr., the acclaimed chef, was that he was one of the first people in the U.S. to ever talk about Fetuccini Alfredo. He wrote about it and he was like, you got to fucking hear about this. What's number two? Number two is that he said out of everything he ever ate, best food in the world, hot dogs. So, I apologize to everyone who didn't want a big old rabbit hole episode today, but all of this to say, his grandpa, George, was one of the first people to run the frontier house and also foreshadowingly of the rest of his family, opened a restaurant in the building. Jeez. Okay. Okay. So now we're back in the general history of the frontier house. It was, but not for long. Don't worry. So it was a hotel.

Then it became a private home for a while. It became another hotel. It became that boarding house I mentioned. It became a different swanky restaurant. It became a museum and then a museum restaurant combo, which to me is like the Taco Bell KFC Pizza Hut situation. Yes, of course. In 1974, it became a historical landmark, which meant we could no longer really touch it outside of renovations. And then the next year, it became a McDonald's, which is why they were not able to change much of its appearance.

So if you were to Google front to your house McDonald's, it looks like a random fucking, like colonial house that we're just calling a McDonald's. So do you think it was like they got the permit when they found out McDonald's bought it? And they were like, shit, we don't want them to like tear it down. I don't know because a few sources said that the McDonald's started in 1975, which would be exactly a year later. But then other ones said that they bought it, but then it didn't open officially as a McDonald's until 1977. So for those like two or three years, it just sat under the McDonald's license. Okay. So maybe they were under negotiations of how much they could touch.

I don't know. Yeah. Okay. Weird. It's just, uh, I love that you're like, it's on the national register of historic places. And then it became at McDonald's. It's like, wait, what? It's really weird to me how it would become a McDonald's after being on the historical

landmark. It's like, wait, they put the plaque on and they're like, now we can serve French fries here. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like that grease will never leave. So I don't know. Yeah.

Yeah, that feels like its own kind of, I don't know, tainting something special, but sacred, but what do I know? What do you know? Nothing. So, by 2004, McDonald's closes. So from the 70s to 2004 was a McDonald's, which was a good run. It sounds like this thing was really switching hands a lot. So this was a long one. But then for the next 10 years or so, it sat abandoned.

And it was just known as like the random old house looking McDonald's. Oh, I mean, it's got to be weird because it probably still has like those like creepy Ronald McDonald's stuff still in it. Like grimaces in the corner. Yeah. Right. Like you look in the window and, oh, see the hamburger. Did you have a favorite of McDonald's friends? I don't think I understood what was happening.

Me either. It was all clearly like they were adults on acid. Okay. I'm glad you say that because sometimes I think it's like my weird German upbringing and I'm like I didn't get it. But I think it's a weird one, right? Okay. Because I never really was like drawn to them as personal attachments, you know. In my own personal deep dives, I might one day just look into like what the fuck was going on at Ronald's Playhouse.

You've got to be in the right headspace. I imagine it's going to be a weird ride. I remember like one of them was like a little bird who kind of looked like big bird, but she was also a pilot. But because she wanted to be able to fly even though she was a bird and couldn't fly. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Weird. How high were you? And all those little.

Smoking, dude. All the, like, um, like, sentient McNuggets that were everywhere. It's like South Park meets like, like 10 children's show. Like, it's just weird. It's all weird. Yeah, I felt, I got weird vibes from that whole thing. I don't know. Well, the, yeah, I don't understand.

I'm with you 100%. So I was like, at least I can get behind hamburger hamburger. Like, he steals hamburgers. I get that. That's about as much as I understand. So that, that was always like, okay, I can get him. Like, he and I lock eyes. I'm like, I get him.

your deal. Grimmis has a weird one where he's like, it's like, he was like Ronald McDonald's imaginary friend or some shit. Yeah, it's like dark, immediately dark and immediately fucked up. Sidebar, I'm kind of wondering if they are the same, if we just absolutely stole rights from McDonald's, not you and me, but in Fredericksburg, our minor league baseball team, the Fred Nats, our mascot is this fugly ass purple monster, which looks like Grimis, except uglier. ugly. And the storyline of why we picked him when like our team is the nationals and like one of our earlier mascots was like George Washington, yuck, they picked this purple guy and they're like, oh yeah, well, that was George Washington's imaginary friend. And I'm like, as someone, the whole point

of George Washington being the mascot of Fredericksburg is because George Washington grew up in Fredericksburg. I promise you as someone who had to live in that fuck-ass town for so long, there was never, we never learned anything about him having an imaginary friend. That is not true. They just invented. They're like, we found an old leatherbound diary underneath the cherry tree. And purple dust blew away from it and it was all about maybe grimace. Yeah. And now the baby.

Okay, that's insane and also so funny and strange. And you know what's so weird is our high school had a mascot just called the blob and there was no reason for it. But like we were the knights, like the silver knights. But it's like, why are we? But the mascot was like this blob. character and nobody like knew where it came from or why. So yeah, it's kind of reminds me of that. That really is like minor league baseball rules where it's like, oh, we're called this one thing and the mascot is something so physucking different. And you may not ask questions. Any questions will be

denied. You'll just be disappointed. You're never allowed to know because it's actually written by the writers of the McDonald's scare back story characters. And honestly, don't even fucking talk about it because if you do Ronald McDonald, we'll find out that we stole his idea. And you know he lives in that creepy abandoned building. And if you look in the windows and make eye contact, like in seven days, that's when it's all going to go down. I know I'm truly in hell when I'm at the frontier house and Grimmis somehow introduces me to his cousin who was also visiting George Washington at some point. His imaginary friend. Okay.

All right. We're going to. Yeah, we're spiraling. Remember what I said we couldn't get lower than the rabbit hole I brought us to? And I said bet, yeah. Okay, the last real point I have is that in 2013 or around there, it switched ownership after being abandoned for 10 years before being a McDonald's. It was a McDonald's and then abandoned and then it got bought out in 2013 a few times.

But the most recent update I have is that last year it became a new swanky restaurant called Fairbanks, but then I Googled it and it says temporarily closed. But the yell pictures looked spectacular. Okay. Okay. So now I'm going to get into the haunted situation. here, which comes with its own deep dive. Me, me, me.

Okay, so the... Who are you, Jenny Lind? Oh, my gosh. It's like she's here in the room with me right now. I think that's... Is that how you would say it in Swedish also? Me, me, me, me. It would just have like omelance on it.

Like a Swedish, like an IKEA furniture. It's such a low blow. It's like such a fucking low blow, dude. Low but good every time. Thank you. There's only so far. I don't know enough about Swedish people to have anything other than IKEA. You know, I went to Sweden.

And I went to an IKEA in Sweden. So I feel like I've really... Was everything there in America? An American. I'm so fucking stupid in English. I mean, you just sort of encapsulated the vibe of the entire excursion. Okay. You know, with my class.

So yeah. So yeah. They a little bit catered to the idiots. But no, it was anticlimactic, you know. Oh, that's just a shame. It would be funny if they were just totally making fun of us and all of the furniture was just called like bed and chair and like in English since we get the switch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no. There's no elaborate backstory, unfortunately. It was just meatballs, been there, done that in, you know, Westchester, Ohio. Yeah, didn't even have to leave the country for that one. Yeah, yeah, my mom had the accent and everything. It was like I was already there. I um oh well I'll tell you after I don't want I'll bring this up at um a yappy hour but it's remind me IKEA you'll know what it means okay so I'm gonna park in the stroller parking okay

okay here's your final uh I keep going to say downfall when I really mean like rabbit hole but the fuck this is the some of the lores to why this place is actually haunted okay despite just being like a hotel a million times So this involves the Freemasons. Remember I told you at one point it was a Freemason Lodge? Yes. The top floor of this when it was the original Frontier House and the original Swanky Hotel. It was used as a meeting house, I think exclusively for Freemasons.

If not, they were still always fucking there. So something happened on this property at the Frontier House that ended up becoming part of one of the biggest events in Freemason history. to this day it like rocked the Freemasons as they were and things I've never been the same. Okay. And it is called The Morgan Affair. So in the 1820s, I'm going to try to do this as quickly as I can because I'm aware of how much time I've already taken from everybody as I just like encourage your brains to rot away. So I'm just going to say this quickly. I'm happily melting over here.

Okay. My brain is. So go for it. I provide a no go so far. I'm aware of that. In the 1820s, the Freemasons were a big, big deal in the U.S. It was not in the way that it is today. They were like, it was a very renowned, prestigious, the influential. They didn't have billboards.

They didn't have billboards. But it was a really big deal to be in the Freemasons. The Freemasons were very thought highly of. Right. Like, very exclusive. Very exclusive. And if you were joined the Freemasons, it wasn't like, oh, you're like, or are you like, because you're in a cult or because you're into like spooky secrets and you want to know all about

that it was really like like encouraged like oh if you really want to be a man of the of of the times you go be a free mason right so enter william morgan who either was a freemason and everyone forgot or desperately wanted to be a freemason and was trying to lie his way in depending on the story actually really not even depending on the story no matter which way you spin it people seems to never fucking like William Morgan to begin with. It sounds like he had maybe a gambling issue, maybe a drinking issue. He was out there telling like crazy stories that a lot of people couldn't believe because they were so spectacular.

And one of them was that like he claimed to be a soldier in the war of 1812, but there was no evidence of that. You're going to say, but there was no war of 1812. But the war died 40 years ago. And I was like, wait, really? That was all a lie? It was fake. We're all okay now.

fact. Holy shit. So, like, he, he could have been in the war, but he was saying he was a certain rank where, like, if you look up, like, there was- So, like, full-on stolen valor on every front. Like, he's, like, trying to be in the Freemasons. He's trying to say he served in the war. Okay. Exactly. And so one of the things is he said that he- Bad vibe. He claimed that he was a Freemason, but there's very, very little evidence that proves to him actually having been a Freemason. Okay. That doesn't mean he wasn't. Like, there was, he did have a shocking amount of knowledge about Freemason secrecy. He sounds like he's kind of...

He could have charmed that information out of somebody. And also, if he's... If he has a drinking problem, he might be constantly at a bar where people are also drunk and spilling secrets. He sounds like he's like a slippery dude, yeah. However, there is official evidence that he at some point at Chapter 33 of the Freemasons at that lodge, at the Chapter 33 lodge, he did earn... the Royal Arch Degree,

which apparently means you have to have earned. It's a McDonald's. You have to work at McDonald's for 15 years. Only Grimmis has ever won that title. He is the hamburger. He just stole the baller. Oh, shit. Now, that's some lore I could get behind.

I'll be honest with you. As a kid, I would have eaten that shit up. The synchronicities. It doesn't have to make sense if you say it fast enough and people move on. So, like right now. That's the Gemini. So, okay, so there is evidence that he, like actual like Freemasons confirm that somehow,

even though there's no evidence that he was ever initiated, what his official lodge is, any membership status, there's no legitimacy to like an account he would be on. There's none of that. We don't know where that is. However, there is official record of him earning the Royal Arch degree. at a Chapter 33 lodge. Okay. Which means an order...

It's written in crayon. It's written in squeezed ketchup. Just like a finger with ketchup. I urge this. Yeah. It's like it was actually, it's a metal, but it's just a toy that came from the happy meal. Summa Kulad. Stupid.

It's just like a chicken McNugget. He stapled to his chest. So, but so for him to have earned that degree in Freemasonry, he had to have also earned six other degrees to have even earned that one. So it implies that somewhere he was initiated, there's just no record of it. And so people in the Free Basin have even said, he must have just like been a part of the laziest fucking lodge where they did no paperwork. Oh, okay. Okay. But there, there is no doubt.

that's not something that people are wavering on to my knowledge that like we know somehow he got this but like did he just charm his way in and go to a lodge and say I see. I don't want to get haunted by this guy so I won't. I won't. I'm going to call. Yeah. Well, one of the theories is like was he a Freemason somewhere else or was he not? And he just he said he just moved to town and had this degree and he deserves the next one,

but he has no paperwork. Oh. And we don't know. Right. Sure, sure. Sure. So other than there being no evidence of his membership, except for this random thing, he did have to happen to have a lot of knowledge about things that he really should have not known unless he had that degree. Okay. But because he already had the reputation of like crazy

stories and drinking a lot and gambling a lot, he just was not trusted in town. So that made it look even less reliable. So when he tried to open a chapter in this new area of New York that he moved to, they did open the chapter and they did not include him. They denied him because they were like, we can't prove that you're actually a part of this. That can't feel good. That can't feel good. So in retaliation, because of course he's a scorned man,

the worst thing for a man is if he's embarrassed, right? So in retaliation, he announced that he was going to write into the local paper an expose on all the Freemason secrets he knew. I mean, he's had this fucking card in his pocket. I mean, he has. He was like, you're going to let me enter out. Somewhere down the line, somebody, they all had to know. They had to know they gave away a little too much.

An evil twinkle in his eye he had. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He decided that he would be doing this because he was in cahoots with another man in town who had been wrong by the Freemasons. And his name, we're just going to say David. He's got a long name. We're going to call him David.

He owned a printing press. And so I guess they- Oh, shit. They tagged team. You gotta be friends with David. David was like, I could publish anything you fucking. want because I have a print of press. Yeah, it's like the friend with a pickup truck, but the one with the printing press. Exactly. Well, the only like truck in town is already in a traffic jam from that

other guy. Oh, fuck. It already crashed and burned and we're waiting for AAA. So if they were actually freemasons, which I do think David was like a first degree or whatever and then he had a bad reputation too, so they kicked him out. So, but in the event they were not really free masons, they, you know, they still were threatening enough that people didn't want to find out that they might be calling a bluff, or that they might be bluffing. If they were Freemasons, they were breaking their oaths of secrecy and loyalty to the Brotherhood. So that was also bad. So no matter what, the Freemasons were pissed. And remember, the Freemasons were very influential, important people on town at this point. And everybody respected them. It wasn't like, oh, the president is a Freemason and this is shady.

Like, it wasn't shady. Right. It was like, if you were a Freemason, people respected you more. Oh, I have a picture of me at the Freemason Lodge here in Newport on the, on the, like, big throne thing. Beautiful. My mom dared me to ask and I said, no. And then she said, I'll do it. And I was like, please don't. And she did it anyway. And we sat on it and took a picture.

And we were the only ones. They did an open house for some reason. And we were the only ones who went in. I mean, well, if you're going to do an open house, you have to expect people are going to sit on things. I don't know what to tell you. I kind of was like, we were like, before they question us, let's just do it. So I have this nice picture of us all like sitting on it awkwardly. My brother was dying inside.

But anyway. I'm still very jealous of your shirt. I think it's your sweatshirt that's also Freemasons, the Scottish or something? I think I got rid of that. Oh, that was such a good sweatshirt. And I was like, I don't know what this means. Did you think it was stolen valor? They thought it was stolen valor.

I was like, this is just a cozy sweatshirt from Goodwill. But people were like, oh, like, you know or whatever. Or like they would be like, how do you get that? How did you get that? And I was like, they were selling a hundred of them at Goodwill for like $2 each. They were like overstocks. they're probably still at the goodwill in coreville if you want me to check well okay so the freemasons freak out because they're like they could know something we don't know for sure um so they decide to react by beating william morgan to the papers and denouncing him and being like whatever he's got on us like it's not true don't listen to him he's a he's a drunkard you know don't listen to him and then they also tried to break into david's house and destroy his printing press.

No. And then they got their Freemason cop friends involved. And William Morgan was immediately arrested for stealing a shirt and tie. Cannot confirm if you actually did that. And also for not paying a loan back in time, which in hindsight was probably just a ploy to keep delaying him from posting. Like just keep him in jail because if you hadn't paid a loan, then you had to stay in like restitution jail or something.

I don't totally understand. But it was some strategy of like, well, he's stuck here until he can pay it. Like a technicality type thing. Yes. Yes. Yeah. But David, with a still fully functioning printing press, bailed his friend out. And very shortly, though, William Morgan was arrested again.

And only after one day in jail, he was apparently, according to witnesses that were also about this jail, locked up, they watched him get pulled out of his cell and he disappeared into a wagon and was never found again. Fanning... What in the fucking Rapunzel? Like this weird fairy tale rumple stilt skin bullshit. Like this guy is trouble. Fanning the fires even more.

After his disappearance, David was like, don't you do that to my fucking friend? And he published the expose anyway. And it became a... Gasp. If newspapers could become national bestsellers, this one did. People were like, eating this shit up.

They were like, I got about the Freemasons. Wow. Immediately, people started wondering and assuming that maybe the Freemasons weren't as good as we thought, and maybe they committed some sort of foul play, and this was the beginning of the anti-Masonic witch hunt. Oh, I see. I feel like I've heard of this on like lore or one of those shows where it was like how this, I forgot.

I remember the guy with the printing press was all part of the problem, but I didn't remember the details, yeah. This is the beginning. of the Freemasons being a shady little group that we don't trust this very time. Ah, they really got in it with that one, didn't they? They really got in it. Yeah. Between a, this was also like historically at a time where there had just been a recent recession, so everyone's extra suffering, and they're really noticing just how many wealthy people are out there not suffering and how convenient it is that all of them are Freemasons.

And this is during a turn of the century, not a turn of the century, a revival in Christianity in some degree. So the mysticism and esoteric rituals in the Freemason world are kind of freaking them out to begin with. So they were, right, right, right. And they were already kind of looking sideways at the Freemason. So this was just another reason to judge them of like, my Christian beliefs say this is kind of fucked up.

We're in a recession and you all have a lot of fucking money out of nowhere. And now a guy is missing because you didn't want him telling on your secrets. So over time, on top of this, even more confessions came out. These were all rumored confessions. There's no official confirmed confession. But a bunch of people, for some reason, started saying that they were the Freemasons that had killed William Morgan. I don't know if that was. Oh, my God. Just because they needed the attention or anything. But they were there January 6th, too. Meanwhile, other Freemasons were, they were out there, like the ones that were in political power that like didn't want their reputation ruined. They were almost going against the Freemasons being like, let's have a search party and you're rewarded if you find him. But then people were coming back being like, we know you killed him and you're not going to have to pay any of us. Like you're trying to cover your own ass. Right.

Like you're just trying to look. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you. So in a report that's taken the most seriously, I think it's called the Lewiston Report because we're in. near Lewiston, New York. People at the jail witnessed him being dragged out of the cell. Again, this is all alleged, but this is the one that's taken most seriously and I think was used in court when they were trying some of these people to get information out of them. People at the jail witnessed him being dragged out of the cell. Others allegedly confessed to bringing him

to being in the wagon and dragging him out of the jail. Whenever someone was asked where they brought him, they say the first up was the frontier house. So that's how this is all connected in and why it's a part of this history. Holy shit. So the official, unofficial story is that they grabbed him out of the cell after a 24-hour period of him being locked in to confirm that he was really very. People witnessed him. Then they dragged him out and they kept him imprisoned at the frontier house for several

days until they figured out what their next move was going to be because they had their eyes on Fort Niagara, which was an abandoned military facility. Oh, okay. on the way there. So they kept him at the frontier house and apparently those were his last days where I'm sure they were like beating the crap out of him being like

you have one more chance. Don't expose us. Don't expose us. Blah, even though they'd already been exposed. But maybe they could get him to like denounce it in some way. Yeah. I guess he held firm or maybe they never gave him a chance at all. And that was the last place that anyone says

that they ever saw him before he got brought to Fort Niagara. Jeez. Once he was moved from the frontier. There is some lore. Holy shit. Yeah. Once he was moved from the frontier house,

many people say that the Freemasons in like a group all killed him. Some say that no, we didn't kill him. We just brought him to the Canadian border and forced him to leave the country without any papers.

Yeah. So I couldn't come back. But as this is all happening, people know that he's missing. They can't find him. They're reading the expose. And then a body is found on Lake Ontario right where Morgan

allegedly disappeared. Oh boy. Oh boy. they we still don't know to this day if it was him it probably wasn't him because i think William morgan was bald and this guy had hair but then there's all these stories about like well no they put a wig on him like it got crazy okay okay okay this led people to double down on their distrust of the freemasons and this helped form the official anti-masonic political party which was the first ever time that the u.s had three political parties that were all considered equal

instead of two holy crap and this third political party the anti-maus T. Masons, I guess is what they call themselves. Their biggest enemy was a freemason who was running for president named Andrew Jackson. And when he became president, it pissed off even more people because it confirmed for them that these secret wealthy people had power. They were unaware of and they were taking over the world. Yes, yes, yes. Wow. So I know this was a deep rabbit hole. Oh my gosh. I feel like I'm 10 times smarter than I was an hour ago. This is probably the most important of the rabbit holes we've today, but it's basically to let you know that in Freemason history,

this is what tanked Freemason's reputation forever. Lodges everywhere closed. People left. People were encouraged by their churches to leave, like, oh, this is satanic shit you're doing. In that one year in the country, there were almost 250 lodges, and by the end of the year, there were only 40.

Because so many people had either been coerced to leave or forced to leave, or they didn't trust their own friends. So, so many people were joining this party in this movement. They all ended up, anyone who stayed, those 40 lodges that still existed by the end, they had a meeting to try to figure out how to do damage control because they were like, we only have 40 lodges left. Like, we're about to not exist. And so they ended up deciding that they were going to leave behind their secret ritual, symbolic mysticism.

And they were going to rebrand as a fraternal as a fraternal charity organization. Okay. A lot of people, especially people who appreciated the old. esoteric history of this place. They think it was absolutely a celet and they were placating the Christians. But other people were like, we, it was either we have zero lodges or 40 lodges. And if this was how we got, you know. But then that did turn around their brand for a while because they only had 40 lodges in.

They have a lot more now. And they decided to focus on leading with Christian values. And now you can't even join unless you believe in a God and all this stuff. So, um, oh, wow. Yeah. So the last thing I'll say about this, this deep dive is that fun fact, William Morgan's alleged kidnapping, alleged kidnapping, whatever, his disappearance that we all think was a kidnapping. This wagon ride. His wagon ride to nowhere.

To the Niagara Falls, the last place you would have to be taken on a fucking midnight wagon ride to. From jail. In a barrel, maybe. I made that part up, guys. I mean, there's no evidence that there was not a barrel. Thank you so much. And that's how I do journalism, too. Boots on the ground with your degree and everything.

Yep. This is the last fun fact is that William Morgan's alleged kidnapping led to kidnapping becoming an official felony. Ah. Which is at the time, at least punishable by, there's a quote, punishable by imprisonment, not exceeding 14 years. But before that kidnapping wasn't even a felony. You could just take whoever you wanted. Honestly, I was going to be super. And then I was like, actually, most of the stories feel like that's true.

Yeah. Like the way you could just drive a car into a building and nobody really cared or like kill a bunch of horses on your drive because you're the only one in New York with a car. You know, and it's like, oh, well, we never had a law for that. So, yeah, I guess it's not that shocking. But wow. Well, so now this is super quick. But the reason why the frontier house is considered haunted and why it is the haunted McDonald's that everyone talks about even though McDonald's is the least interesting thing about it is that. is that many say the main ghost here is William Morgan

because his last moments of real life and energy were in this house. It was like the second location. Yes, yes, yeah. The residual energy of right before he passed, they say. It's thought that he is the head ghost in charge here, the HBIC head bitch in charge. He would be. But did I just have a fucking spider on my leg?

I literally almost became Spider-Man and screamed at the same time. That was crazy. OMG. I almost just watched you become Spider-Man and scream at the same time. That's crazy. I felt the... Okay. People have seen shadows of people rocking around the building, especially the silhouette of a woman, but people have also seen an older man hanging out in the pantry, which makes me think it's Diamond Jim and not this Morgan guy.

Oh, yeah. He's looking for more tarotin. Yum, yum. Where are the turtles? So people say that doors and... windows open and close on their own, people hear unexplained banging sounds, there are apparitions throughout the building, and during renovations, especially in the 70s when it was becoming a McDonald's, the tools would go missing all the time. And it said that one of the ghosts here might be

not just William Morgan, but maybe when they were building it originally, maybe during renovations, I'm not sure. There was allegedly a worker who was working at the very tippy top floor and somehow fell all the way down to the basement. Oh, shit. Which makes me think it was early, early on, unless he fell outside of the building. But to cover up this death or the OSHA violation that that was, the other two workers there took his body and to hide the evidence of what happened, they buried him inside the walls of the building. What? This is where I will say that in renovation sense, nobody's ever found bodies of the building. Oh.

Or in the walls. But yet. Yet. Yes. that we know if they haven't opened every wall. Two quotes from two different owners. One of the owners has said, have I seen the ghosts?

Not really. But have I heard them? Yes. Sounds, screeches. There's been certain things and times that I've heard noises and doors moving. Another staff member has said, while working here,

I have to say we've heard bumps in the night. And because it's our second year here, we just keep working and going about our business. But it's certainly not a quiet building. And it does have its own voice, if you will. Um, because of its haunted status, it has also become a Halloween jump scare attraction. However, all the proceeds and the props, the props are made. Let me, how do I want to say this?

The props are made by and the proceeds go to artists with disabilities. Oh, cool. I'm so sorry, that was so, so, so long, but that is the frontier house. Wowza. I mean, I never thought a haunted McDonald's would get so. I thought that was going to be the easiest fucking notes. ever do in my life. So I didn't start until 11 o'clock at night, Christine. I was up all night. Oh, fuck. All night. I thought this will be a paragraph. How am I going to stretch this? And it just

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came into the police department of Prairie Village, a suburb of Kansas City, Kansas. On the line was Michelle Guo, who lived in New York. She was requesting police to a wellness check on her aunt, Angela Green. Okay. Angela was her mom's sister. So her mom was Catherine, and they lived in New York. And Catherine and Angela had grown up in northern China, where Angela had studied journalism and worked in modeling. And then when her sister Catherine married an American man and began a family in Kansas,

this Angela eventually followed, and they both started families in the U.S. She was introduced by family friends to a guy named Jeff Green, and you need to understand Jeff is spelled Gioff. Like the giraffe. Like the giraffe and like the poister and like. That was our college professor. Both of us. We weren't even friends yet and both of us loved him.

We were both weirdly obsessed with him. Thank you. Okay. I thought you hated him. No, I loved him. Oh, thank you because you and I were the only people who were like nice to him. And I remember being like, what is everyone's fucking problem? Do you never remember when I was so jazz that he had a memory card in the shape of a camera?

Yes. Oh, and I was so jazz when he's like, I studied to be an arborist and now I'm here. And I was like, this guy's fucking weird. He was like, I don't know. He had something go. I don't know what his deal was. I made a whole documentary about him. It was my final project was like the cat story where like it was like his weird ass story that he told on the first day of like,

oh this cat is going to die but then he forgot the plot and it's like and then the cat and we were like what happened to the cat and he's like I think it died but I don't remember and we were like what the fuck is this story you're trying to teach us something he was such a weird guy but in a way like where you just wanted you just it was the intrigue he knew what he was doing and he knew and like he watched that film and he was like he must have thought you were obsessed with him i guess i got to give this an a and we were like we were just such a weirdos one time i saw him out walking around in Boston with his wife and it was like a celebrity you did I never saw him outside of school I would have freaked out I yeah I remember when I

tried to tell my friend my friend Mohammed I was like so Mohammed here's my idea we're going to make this weird video about our professor and he was like about a dead cat too yeah yeah about a and I'm going to play the dead cat which I did and I was like and you're going to play our professor Jeffrey Poister so wear this blonde wig and poor Muhammad was so nice he's like I'm just trying to like, you know, bring children's television back to Afghanistan. But sure, Christine, whatever your fuck-ass idea is,

about making a film where you're a dead cat and you get to like lay in the road of Boston. Anyway, it was insane. Your other one, let's not forget your other fucking slam dunk of a film where you were also dead. What's your deal? You love being dead.

What's your deal? I was meant to be a fucking Scorpio. It's like I can't escape it. It was literally I made I made Blaze like cry at a grave and then it was so embarrassing because I realized later like the grave was from like 1685. He was actually crying about grandmamma. Yeah, it looked like I had died and like he was worshipping a Victorian ghost. I made him walk into a Trader Joe's and I filmed him going down the escalator. It was to bring flowers.

And then I put Alt J like just an Alt J song underneath the entire. entire video and our professor was like you can't just make a music you can't just like not have sound and just put a music video so he gave me a B on it and then I removed the music and he gave me an A but yeah it was I need you to remember in the chronology of everything that was my very ever first impression of Blaze because I didn't fucking and you were like this fucking girl is making this video and then I'm making everybody watch it. class. You know what my first impression was of that project? Do you know what my first impression was? What? I thought it was fucking great. Thank you. I thought it was so good. And I remember- I still have it

somewhere. It's hidden. Of course. It was on, it was somewhere. I have not seen it recently, but I remember a few years ago going, how did I find this? I think it was, did you have it on a YouTube situation? It must be an unlisted YouTube video. I got to find that. It's like so sick because I literally, you're right, I literally made Blaze walk around and look at a phone where it was like, me on the screen. And he was buying me flowers. You were like, okay, so please. First of all, and this was when you were long distance.

So he came in for a hot weekend for you to go, okay, I need you to like longingly look at a picture of me. And then buy me flowers, which you'll actually give me in real life too after this. And then I need you to think about crying because I'm dead. And I need you to come with me to a cemetery and think about how dead I am. And then I'm going to film it. And also, all jays there. And also, I know the perfect soundtrack to this.

I've also planned this since I was 16, so I actually have the soundtrack ready to go. And also, when I am dead, I'm going to need you to play this at my funeral. I'm just trying to live as much of it as possible right now. And honestly, Jeffrey Poisser gave me an A, and I'm still feeling like it was one of my magnum opuses. I've had many, of course. Christine, I'm not kidding. I didn't know you. The fact that that was the first, first fuck-ass impression I made

I can't. I mean, I remember the first day meeting you. And then I don't remember anything about you except for projects because they were so moving. But like, moving is a really generous word. I don't think most people called it that. I remember that one. I remember that one. I kind of remember the cat.

I was more locked in with the blaze one because it was, you really did a good job. It was a plot twist. He didn't know that you were dead at the end. You thought he was just going on a date, but then he was at the graveyard. Thank you. I really thought, I'm not kidding. I always thought that was a great one. I always thought so much.

You really just know how to hype me up, man. But the, obviously the best, you know, which one's my favorite. Girl, don't do this today. Our freaking. We didn't know each other yet. Grave? Like, first of all, always in the grave. Always in the graveyard.

But like, what, yeah, what's wrong with you? You're always, someone's always dead, isn't there? One of us is always participating in a graveyard at some. point. I have no idea where that would even be. But like the fact that we didn't know each other, we'd maybe said five sentences, we got lumped into a project with each other and didn't know each other. I remember we had to do a project about anything. And we, this is the first time we ever really talked. And I was like, well, what do we do? And you're like, I don't know what, like, should we, we should talk about ourselves so we know like what our interests are and see if we find

anything. And I said something about ghosts. And you went, okay, let's just, we'll go to the graveyard. I know it really good one from my last project. Hey, it's where I was. for our last project. It's where, yeah, it's where tears were shed over my untimely demise. And we're like 22 years old and I'm carrying around an EMF detector and telling you how equipment works and we're ghost hunting. I mean, it's really crazy because it took us years to put that together that we had done that. And I remember thinking like, I just scored the jackpot. I got matched with someone who does ghost hunts. That's crazy. And then we didn't speak for another like three years. And then we were both like, no, thanks. But like what a foreshadowing. That's like such a

truly is so fucking bizarre. I bet you. It's somewhere. Yeah. It's really weird. That's really weird. It says starring Christine Schiffer and Emily Schultz with long hair. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've got to move past that part. Yeah, we can fix that in post. We'll fix that in post. No, that's, I mean, just what are the odds? What a full circle. But I had, I mean, I almost died in some of these projects. I remember just like carrying tripods around and getting like almost hit by cars and like being an idiot and like doing.

things like carrying cameras into like bodegas and being like told like get the fuck out you know I'm like what am I doing just being an idiot I had a project like that with um our friend Matt and I remember being kicked out of a few gas stations yeah they don't like that for obvious reasons but like whoopsie daisy yeah you know okay so anyway Jeff this guy's name was Jeff with a okay that's where that's how we got here okay Uh, need I say more? Okay. Okay.

So she was introduced, I mean, Jeff Green, G-off, Jeff Green. Okay. A businessman, of course, a busy businessman, uh, who told her he was in his mid-30s, but turns out she found out right before her wedding actually was 46. Oh. And ended up being 16 years older than her. So she was blatantly lied to, uh, but. Despite being found crying her entire wedding day, she went through with the marriage. And they wed in 1998 and she was able to move to Kansas to live with Jeff near her sister, Catherine, and Catherine's family.

So for a while, Angela was extremely close with her niece, Michelle. It would go on little adventures together. But in 2004, Catherine and her daughter moved to New York. So Angela was left in Kansas with Jeff and her own daughter, four-year-old Ellie. And when Ellie had been born, she had become Angela's entire world. Angela basically became kind of consumed by being her mother and basically didn't talk much to the rest of the family. She focused almost completely on Ellie. Now we fast forward to 2019.

Ellie is 19 years old. And she gives her Aunt Catherine in New York a distressing call to say she's worried about her mom. And this prompts Michelle, who is Ellie's cousin. Sorry, it's kind of confusing, but Angela and Catherine are the sisters who moved from China. And then Michelle and Ellie are the cousins. So Michelle is like, you know what? I'm going to call the police back in Kansas and have them do a wellness check on my aunt, Angela. Okay.

So police visit the residence in Prairie Village. Angela wasn't home, but her husband, Jeff, told police that she was out with friends and she was just fine. and he couldn't imagine why somebody would be concerned enough to send police to their home. So the police are like, all right, so they head back and they follow up with Michelle and say, hey, there's nothing to worry about your aunt is just out with friends. And they were going to drop the issue, but Michelle's heart sank because she knew her uncle was lying. Jeff had told his own daughter, Ellie, that Angela had died in July of 2019 and no one had seen her in eight months. Geez. Oh, my God.

So in June 2019, Ellie was 19 years old and she'd just finished her first year of college. She was excited about her summer plans, which included a job and a boyfriend. But her mom was getting really, really anxious because Ellie had been gone for two months studying abroad. And Angela, like I said, had kind of motherhood was her whole thing. And being Ellie's mom was her whole thing. So when she left for months at a time, she really struggled. Ellie and her mom were also extremely close because Angela wasn't very confident in her English speaking skills and had raised Ellie to speak fluent Mandarin. So they spoke, she spoke mostly with her daughter.

Like that was the person she spoke the most with and was the closest with. So when she left for college and had plans and had a boyfriend and was moving abroad and studying, it was really hard for her. Angela had had a hard time adjusting to life in Kansas at first, but when Ellie was born, it was like everything was finally, like she had a purpose, you know? Yeah. When her sister moved to New York, Angela became even more isolated. And so, you know, every now and then her neighbors would see her outside, like tending to the garden or taking care of flowers in the, like, local public areas. But she rarely spoke to the neighbors. She wasn't, she was very shy, very introverted.

And it seemed like her whole world was just her house, her gardens, the grocery store, and that's kind of it. Okay. So it became harder for her when Ellie moved out and started an independent life. Ellie thrived her freshman year. She went to University of Kansas while Angela, you know, really struggled with the adjustment, feeling very isolated and alone. But that wasn't the only thing troubling Angela. She struggled with anxiety and unpredictable moods throughout Ellie's childhood. Ellie even said that her mom was increasingly upset.

She's never been able to figure out why, and she probably never will. Jeez, okay. So she's really, she's been going through it. I think she was hiding her struggles for a long time. But despite all the struggles, they still had a lot of love between them. Ellie was, had that struggle with a strict parent growing up and then kind of turned around to be thankful for the strictness, if that makes sense, and said she was thankful for how strict her mother had been about school and grades. And she also said she felt like she was her parents' main focus,

even her father Jeff's, like she was close with him as well. And she thought her parents loved each other and that they were happy. But now, looking back, she realizes like their life was solely built around her. And when she left for college, it was like they didn't have anything in common to hold it together. And the crack started to show. Do you think, I don't, I don't know if there's any evidence of this, but before she left, did they seem happy at all or like even friends and like they were like, we're just doing this until she goes to college or? I think, um, or was it always kind of not based in love? I think it's kind of always just a little bit of independent. Okay. From what I can understand,

I don't really know the details, but it didn't seem like things were, it seemed like the focus was just on her. Okay. And kind of given her a good life. Right, exactly. And that was kind of the only thing touched on. So on June 19, 2019, Ellie and her mom had an argument. Ellie was often out of the house working or having fun. And like I said, this was hard on her mom. So during this fight, Angela threw some of her, Ellie's stuff on the ground and said, if you're not going to be home, you can just leave and live somewhere else. So Ellie packed up and headed to stay the night with her boyfriend, Zach Krause at his parents' house. She knew her mom would cool down. She always did.

And she was like, she'll call me in a few hours or a day or two and ask her to come home. So Ellie actually thought, like, I'll probably come home tonight, honestly. Like, I probably won't even end up staying the night. A few days later, though, her dad texts her. And the text says, mom is getting mental health care and I'm at home beginning to organize. Come home at any time front door is open. I'm going to need help going through mom's things. Oh, that doesn't sound like a normal thing to say.

No. That's like not even the way you would send that text. No, right? It's weird on every fucking level. The phrasing is weird. It's like detached. The way he talks is weird. I've heard phone calls with this guy.

It's fucking weird. Is it an accent that I don't know about before I just like rip them up? Sure isn't. G-off is just... Sumbs up. is just that kind of guy. Because even just to say like, how, like, that, how casual to be like, oh, mom's having a mental health crisis.

And then also, when you get a chance, come home, I'm organizing. It's like, you're not going to give me, you must know I need more context than that. So and what, like, the, the way you're reacting is how, is how Ellie reacted. Okay. She was like, what the hell are you talking about? Like, she, she wasn't like, oh, this is normal behavior from my dad. She was like, this is out of the or. Something alarming is happening.

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I thought you brought them all the way here so I could have them. And I went, what is wrong with that? I looked through your suitcase to decide what you brought for me. She went shopping in my suitcase and the only thing she grabbed was Nutraful. And chocolate was in there too, by the way. Well, look, you can even look at me over here. I will put my head down. I don't even have to worry about my thinning hair that I was so insecure about before.

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But Jeff was like, it's just not safe. It's not safe. And he said, don't. I'd be like, are you fucking kidding? Yeah. Where's my mom? Where's my mom? What happened?

What did she do? What happened? Did someone hurt her? How bad could it be from her to have gone from never having a crisis? A sign of anything. So having apparently you're treating this like she snapped overnight. Like it cannot be that bad where I can't call my mom and just tell her I know what's going on or text her or something. Yeah, exactly. So she's completely shocked and she's like, well, can I visit her? And he goes, no, no, no. Actually, I already visited her. And it's all fine. Don't worry about it. I feel like I'm obviously this is in hindsight and we're covering something that has already happened.

I feel like if this were a movie, I, my first response to be like, I'm leaving right now. Like, I'm not even saying here because what the, you're acting just as fucking weird as she might be acting. This is so, so shady. So he tells her to come home and help him sort through her mom's stuff. And she's like, I guess, right? Because she's off at college. So he says, um, yeah, come on. And she comes.

And he says, okay. we're going to have to clean up the house. We want to hang up photos of Angela. We want to make sure it looks welcoming and supportive for when she eventually gets back. Wrong. So when the police come, she looks like it looks like a loving family. Correct. I'm not dumbed it.

He made Ellie do bizarre things, like get rid of almost all of Angela's clothes, which made Ellie really anxious because, like, she knew her mom would be so upset to come home and find all of her stuff gone and her clothes just, like, tossed. And she still didn't know where her mom was. Like she's 19. She's like, what's her treatment plan? Like, what's going on? And she is frustrated.

But anytime she asks, like, her dad says he's not willing to talk about it. And also, like, she was raised to be so obedient of her parents that it was sort of like she trusted her dad. It was like she just trusted that he would do what was best for her because why wouldn't she? And so it was like she just was frustrated, but it was like, I guess I'll, I'll, I'll, Yeah. And see what happens. Poor girl. And I'm, I'm assuming nothing, I mean, not even assuming, it's, it's clear nothing has ever happened to this level before. So like she wouldn't even. No. Like, of course you would just listen to her dad and not be like freaked out that he's completely devoid of. Yeah. Reality, it seems. Like just like acting totally off kilter. Yeah. And you'd be like, I guess he knows something I don't. But getting rid of all of our clothes, I'd be like, I feel like my first thought would be. I'd be like, I feel like my first thought would be. I'd be. I'd be. I'd be. I'd be. I'd be. I feel like, I'd be. I'd be. I'd be. I'd be. I'd be. I like, well, I'll just put them in a suitcase in case she wants them later. But then, like, that would have also been, like, you might have gotten yourself in trouble. You might have been like, no, you can't have that. Throw it away. Throw it away. And then. Well, yeah. I mean, if he, if she's

supposed to do as, you know, he says, and she's like, okay. And she trusted him. Like, she loved her dad. They were really close. So there's no reason for her to question him. It's just so strange. But, like, he wouldn't answer any of her questions. And she couldn't understand, like, why she would ever need such intense inpatient care. She could think back to times her mom was anxious in childhood, but she said I knew she acted a little weird, but I didn't know was to the extent where she needed to be taken away. So on July 16th, Angela had allegedly been hospitalized for nearly a month.

Jeff texted Ellie and told her, there's something I need to tell you. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay. At around 11 o'clock at night, at around 11 o'clock at night, he drove to her boyfriend's house, Sacks house, the Krauses, where she was saying. Ellie met him out in the driveway. He told Ellie, her mom had died that day in the hospital of a stroke.

She was 51 years old. Ellie collapsed to her knees in the driveway. Jeff got back in his car and drove away, leaving Ellie alone on the ground. Hello? Hello? Yep. Yep.

What? You just told your fucking, you told your baby that her mom's dead and you just zoom off? And we're supposed to still act like every. Okay, here's the better question. Does he think he's getting away with seeming normal? Because that can't... I don't fucking know.

He can't think... Nothing weird to see over here that I don't fucking care that I just destroyed my child's heart. Yeah, I mean, I think he literally just doesn't care. Insane. It's really wild. It's really wild. So he just drives away, literally drives away. So Zach comes out and like has to tell his parents like,

hey my girlfriend's dad just stopped by and said her mom died and then drove away so if i were those parents i mean like you live here now you live here yeah no literally that's what happened like good he said his mom sarah said ellie came back inside like a shell of herself and the next day they asked jeff over for lunch to speak with ellie and see what they could do next and like give her some information and closure but jeff completely shut down any discussion he said he refused to speak about Angela, he wouldn't discuss a funeral or memorial service or even what would happen to her body. And every time Ellie tried to broach the topic that her mom died apparently 24 hours ago, Jeff told her he was too upset to talk about it.

Ew. I mean. So, yeah, Sarah is in the awkward position where, like, she's like, this is really private and awkward, but, like, also, what else can I do? You know, like, I can't intervene here. So from then on, Jeff just refused to talk at all about Angela. and Ellie was supposed to just move on with her life. She even recalled, quote,

I didn't want to ask him a ton of questions and offend him while he was grieving. So she just went with it, basically. She returned that autumn to school, and she saw a therapist and psychiatrist and tried to navigate grief without sort of any information. And being so close with her mom, like this was her worst nightmare. Worse than that was she was dealing with it on her own. her dad had actually told her that this was a private piece of information

and she was not allowed to tell Catherine her aunt or Michelle her cousin Are you fucking kidding me? She basically was alone with this So Angela's sister didn't know Angela was dead And he basically said you can't tell them until the time is right The time's right It's right I mean seriously

Oh my God like and knowing that she was so ready to just like obey and listen to her dad and also like I'm assuming if she's not thinking he's acting weird or or if she's aware that he's acting weird but she also really trusts and loves him right so she's like really confused yeah but but like for her to still on top of worst day of your life finding out your mom's dead being able to still like find sympathy for him and how he's treating you right now, which is horse shit. Like, I mean, yeah, that's the way it goes. Like, oh, I want to make sure everyone else feels okay, you know?

I mean, it's classic. What a heart. Yeah, horrible. And she just had to rely on herself. I mean, I'm glad she at least had the boyfriend's family to seem like they were at least a safe home, you know, for her. So finally she couldn't wait any longer She called her aunt I mean they hadn't spoken

They only spoke a few times a year So it wasn't like weird That she hadn't been talking to her But she just eventually called and was like I have to tell you something I have to tell you that Angela died on the 6th And she said when on the 16th

And Catherine was like But it's only the 14th of February And she's like No she died on the 16th of July Eight months ago Oh. So she's been dealing like just holding on to this for eight months. Oh my God.

And her dad's just like move on. Oh my God. Oh my God. This is so tragic. What? I don't know what to do. And Ellie was like, I don't either and I have no information. So Catherine's daughter, Michelle, Ellie's cousin, calls Ellie and asks Ellie and ask for the details,

which are few and far between. Ellie was like, here's what Jeff told. Here's what my dad told me about how my mom was taken to the hospital. He told her that he and some mental health professionals had surprised Angela in the grocery store parking lot and forcibly transported her to a psychiatric hospital. That doesn't make him look good at all. And she struggled when they took her. Oh my God. But Michelle was an attorney and was like, that's not a thing.

You don't just, that's not. What do you mean? he and some mental health professionals ambushed her in a parking lot, that's not a thing. I was going to say, it's a made-up story. I think you just did it for me anyway, but I was going to say, would you mind letting me know where in the story people start side-eyeing him and being like he clearly fucking killed her? I mean, I think at this point, they're like something shady is immediately up because Michelle is an attorney and she's like, no, no, no, no, no.

like Angela can be taken into this isn't like 1850 like Angela would need to be taken into custody and hospitalized by court order issued by a judge like you can't just like drag someone from a grocery store parking lot that doesn't make any sense um Ellie meanwhile is halfway through sophomore year living at school in Lawrence Kansas shout out we did a show there Michelle told Ellie to drive to Topeka and get a copy of Angela's death certificate so they could find out like where she died how and who signed off on it so Ellie drove. there and they were like we don't have a death certificate oh my god Michelle believed that meant one of three things either Angela died in another state Angela was still alive or nobody was notified of her

death authorities were not notified so Ellie drove so not something fiss shady Ellie drove home to prairie hills and asked her dad which is where her dad lived and asked him where her mother died and he said Kansas she said no he didn't I just went up there and there was no burst or no death certificate. That's bold. So he said, well, I thought she died in Kansas, but maybe I'm wrong. And he said he would have to find out. It could be Missouri he didn't remember. And like, you know, they do share that border. Okay. But like, that's not right. So Michelle's like, this is shady as shit. This is when she calls in the wellness check on her aunt Angela. This is where this domino starts, you know, going. So police arrive at the home. Jeff tells them, oh, she's a

out with friends and police were like, well, we were told Angela's dead. And Jeff said, I don't understand why anyone would say that. She is perfectly alive and well. And it's like, you've been telling your daughter eight months now that she's dead and that this death need to be kept a secret. Now you're like, she's out with friends. And it's like, first of all, she didn't even have friends. That was part of the whole like thing she was struggling with. Like, what are you talking about? Name them. So this was like literally, this was a final straw. Because Michelle was like, this is not it. Something's wrong.

So Ellie went to the police department, filed a missing person's report for her mother. While she is at the police station filing the report, her phone rings. And it's her dad. So they say, put it on speaker. We're going to record it. And you can hear the recording online. Hell yeah, brother. Of course, he's immediately changing his story again.

He'd previously told this crazy grocery store parking lot abduction. story. This time he said he was at work in June when he received a phone call that Angela had been hospitalized and that he wouldn't be able to see her for a week. So Ellie was like, okay, well, where? And he said, well, that's what I need to see if I can find out. And it's like, didn't you visit her? Remember he said he visited her already. Jeff said over the phone that he'd gotten a call from the hospital that Catherine had died and then that somebody showed up at the front door to sell him the urn. what the fuck he has to know that he sounds like a fucking idiot and she goes how much did you pay for and he goes

$1,500 which is about the right price and it's like what and so then when Ellie asked where the urn is he says he'd he he has it in the house but he had recently opened it and it's the darnest thing it was empty like he had like I'm like it's like the oh low the irony is like I would love to take him to a supermarket and have a bunch of health professionals jump him and bring him into a truck. Right. Truly. Do you, does he really think he's he, I mean, honestly, like, like. I think he's just such a.

Is he like, he's just that. He's going to get away with it. I don't know. Is he that conceited or is he panicking and just doesn't have a good story? I honestly don't know. That's crazy. So when, and by the way, this is, it was a red and black urn, which were her favorite colors, Angela's favorite colors. and when apparently when Ellie or Michelle one of them Googled red and black urn it was like the first

freaking shopping link on Google and it's like so he clearly just ordered it on the internet and then pretended like literally showed up the next day. Why would you even why would you even come up with someone came to the door? Why wouldn't you just say I bought it on Amazon? That's so weird and even on the phone call she goes dad you would never just pay $1,500 to some salesman in cash. I know you. You're so frugal. What are you talking about? I don't believe you. In your Amazon car, you couldn't also grab like bag of sand and like just have that to put in there. Like, what do you mean? Like right. I mean, to be like, it's the darndest thing. It's empty. I must have gotten scammed. And it's like, what are you talking about?

So then he said he thought he saw Angela somewhere near the house and that sometimes things moved around the house. So he thought she was coming in and out and had faked her own death. I have nothing to, I have nothing to say. I'm just in pure shock that he's such a, I can't even talk about it. Okay. So police are like, got it. We are on the case immediately. Like literally at this second. They're like kicking their feet.

They're so excited that this is a slam dunk situation. They're like nailed it because, wow, he's guilty as fuck. So sounds guilty as fuck. So Jeff's allegedly. So detectives open a missing person's case immediately. And they speak to people in the neighborhood who had not seen. her in a long time, Angela. And meanwhile, Jeff's family side with him and basically ice Ellie out completely.

Whenever she reaches out, they say, we'll meet with you for lunch, but only if you refuse to talk about your dad or mom. And she said, why is that? And they said, she said, why is that? Has he asked you not to? And they replied, if that's the only reason for seeing us, I'm not interested. We don't talk about you. Whoa.

This is like her dad's family, like her family, her relatives. What the hell? And she just lost her mom. So it's like, what the fuck? He, I mean, at this point, I'd be. At this point, I'd be. At this point, I'd have to wonder, does he have, like, third and fourth families at this point that he just like, it seems like everyone just listens to him when he says, don't talk about this. And he could just get away with whatever he wants.

He's just getting totally protected. And they, when she brings up her mom, they said, you have to let it go. And she's like, let it go. Are you stupid? What are you talking about? Yeah, it's insane. So detectives obtained warrants to search the Greens' house in Prairie Village as well as a friend's 35 acre property where he would store some of his stuff. More than 70 officials participated in a thorough search.

But unfortunately, there had been all this construction nearby and all this soil had been moved around and dumped on top of the property. So like 20 to 30 feet of dirt. And it had been completely transformed from when Angela had gone missing. so it was like really, really difficult and they were unable to find her. Then the FBI becomes involved, but things are super slow. Partially because people just kept telling the FBI, oh, we just assumed she moved back to China. And then the FBI was like, oh, maybe she just moved back to China. And Angela had literally lived in the States for over 20 years.

Meanwhile, she'd never visited China since moving here, not. once it's just like okay you racist fucks whatever truly she yeah sure sure sure um so super overwhelmed and frustrated by how slow this was going michelle decided to make angela's story known on tic talk thank god oh and she made part she made a video that started welcome to part one of who the f did my aunt marry and where the f is my aunt and there's a repost of an older video it garnered millions of views overnight, Michelle and Ellie both began posting videos discussing Angela's disappearance, demanding more attention. They believe Jeff and Jeff's family knew what happened to Catherine and they needed someone

to come forward with answers. The case was covered on our friend Sarah Turney's podcast, Voices for Justice, and that's definitely worth a listen. Much like Sarah Turney did, Ellie continued to record phone conversations with her father, and in one, she asked what date was the last time he'd seen Angela, and he said, quote, gosh, I don't know. I didn't write it down and then said, that's the busiest time of year for me at work.

I'd be like, did you hit your fucking head? Like, what are you? I mean, really. Get a grip. God, like, just lie. Like, you have to lie better. You have, like, I know he's getting away with it, but he has to wonder if she knows this is bullshit.

Like, that's what I wonder. Like, do you think your kid's that fucking stupid? Like, he changed the story again, now saying that actually Angela left on her own. And that she wanted, he didn't want to hurt her by making her think like that Angela left her behind. So he invented that she died to make her feel better about it. And it's like, are we kidding? Oh my God.

And in the house was her passport ID, all her money. By the way, she had a stash of money that conveniently also vanished at a certain point. But, you know, nobody knows what happened to that. So I'm not going to say anything more. Jesus. Moreover, she didn't even have like a credit card to build credit. It's just nonsense, right? Nonsense.

Michelle described Jeff as controlling and Angela is very dependent on him. You know, she wasn't given access to her own money, things like that. There was just no trace, no trace of her. There was an episode of Dr. Phil where Ellie spoke about her mother's death and she said, no, she did not believe there's any chance that she was still alive. Dr. Phil's team hired private investigators to evaluate soil from a new garden at the property where apparently they found that they announced, this is the most Dr. Phil thing ever, they announced to her that her dad had planted hostas, Angela's favorite flower in his garden bed. I planted two of these. What the fuck are you talking about? Two middle fingers. I hope they grow into trees.

Like beanstalks, like mentioned. Yeah, exactly. As previously mentioned in this episode. aforementioned beanstalks. They were transplanted from Angela's Garden at the Prairie Village House, and then cadaver dogs alerted to the soil samples. So detectives actually were able to obtain a warrant through this to excavate the garden, but they were not able to find anything.

But that was, like, one of the most promising leads. And honestly, one of the nicest things of it, ever heard Dr. Phil do. I was going to say one of the few times I'll say all thanks to Dr. Phil. Truly. One of the only. So more than anything, Ellie just knew Angela would never abandon her. So she knew she was probably dead rather than having left the family. Ellie eventually ended contact completely with her father, cutting him out of her life and moving out of state to continue schooling in Colorado where she studied journalism. According to Michelle, when Ellie last spoke to her dad, Jeff, she said, I know you won't say anything now, but before you die, can you at least write me a letter of what happened to mom?

Jesus. Christ. That's so terrible. Pitiful. It's bleak. It is. Michelle continued to make TikToks to raise awareness about Angela's disappearance. She's collaborated with other creators like Sarah Turney, crime junkie, and other creators have left comments that they're making their own videos. There's an investigator named Steve Ridge who has offered to help. pro bono and has offered now a $100,000 reward for any information, which leads to finding Angela. And do we know what the dad thinks about his daughter at this point? They're just cut off from each other. So I think he's just isolated. Like his family, he's with his family. Crazy. You know, somewhere being protected by them.

In a New People magazine Investigates Special from this February, 2026, Michelle says she thinks about Angela every night when she goes to sleep and every morning when she wakes up. She says she won't know peace until she knows what happened to her aunt. She also said, I promise that Jeff will never know a single day of peace until we figure out what happened. Okay. But Jeff is not a named suspect in Angela's disappearance. I want to be super clear about that.

The case may remain unsolved unless someone who knows what happened to Angela comes forward. There's not been any body found and it's nearly impossible to convict without a body. in March of this year, police told KCTV 5 News, and I thought this was pretty darn important, especially for this context. The detective said, anytime there is a new podcast, documentary, or story about Angela Green, the police department receives numerous information from around the country. However, there is yet to be a tip or piece of information that provides new evidence or a lead that has not previously been investigated. But there's also always hope that someone will provide a tip. So any information, no matter how small, you're encouraged to contact the authorities, especially if you grew up in the area, know, know anything, no anybody involved.

So, yeah, I thought that was heartening, at least to hear that, like, they do get tips when podcast cover cases, you know? That's good, that's good. And everything we said is alleged, of course. Yeah, about him at least, yeah. But wow, that's, that's heartbreaking. to have to hear like the phone calls with the dad being like why do you always want to talk about your mom when you call and it's like are you kidding me you told me she just died like two days ago and also like the weirdest thing it's so weird it says everything i ever need to know about your relationship with her too since you don't give a shit like why don't you give a shit about why don't you give a shit about me giving a shit what's wrong with you yeah it's all like to drive away like that yeah well anyway that was a doozy uh uh Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks.

Before we go, I have an update on my phone lanyard. Everyone ate me alive in my DMs about this. Did they? What do you mean? In a rude way? No, but they said like... Or like you ate with that. No, not like that.

Oh, okay. Because I ragged on it saying I looked like a mom, 50-year-old mom, and a bunch of 50-year-old moms, I guess have Instagram and know how to message me and they all went, just so you know... How could you say such a thing? Yeah. said just so you know as a 50 year old mom, I would never. And I went, okay. Oh, you got like double burn. I got eaten alive. Yeah. No, everyone was not a big fan of me comparing this to a demographic

people who just wouldn't even ever think to own this. And that you actively listen to our podcast, which is a wild choice for you to. They all said something along the lines of like, I should try closer to like 80 or 90 year olds. They're the people who would use this. And you know what? Okay, first of all, stop that because now the 80 and 90 year olds are going to. to start DMing us and I simply cannot handle that bit. My grandma does know how to DM so everyone watch yourselves. I'm scared, really. I hear your cries. I apologize to the 50 year old moms that I offended.

However, I still think it's a slam dunk. Maybe it's just, maybe I stand alone here. But if you don't have one, you're best doubt. This is like the best thing I've ever seen. Yeah, it's super cool. Me and everyone in the retirement home are just getting all tangled up in each other's little phone lanyards. Oh, wow.

It's saucy. Thank you, everyone. And sorry for all of the rabbit holes downward spirals, but I think we did quite a lot of damage today and a lot of different categories between all of our old cinema projects. Oh, fuck, yeah, I got to find that old video. It's so haunting. Well, everyone, we'll see next week. And that's why we drink.