And That's Why We Drink - E498 Glossy Grinch Lips and Ghost Escape Rooms

Episode Date: September 13, 2026

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Christine, your lips look awfully glossed today. Thank you. I glossed them with my Grinch holiday makeup kid. A new sentence every time with you, Kristen. I've been waiting for someone to talk about my lip gloss. This is Cindy Lou Who. Is it really? Yeah.

It's not, ah, who, ah. No, I reserve that for one special day of the year. This year, people aren't going to get it. Would you like to pre-record it and we can have Megan put it in? Oh, my God, on the spot, who me, as the spotlight comes down, my microphone swings into frame. All right, everyone, we're hearing it now. Or maybe, you know what, I'm going to make you wait until Christmas. Jack Cut this and put it at Christmas.

What's it called Kelly Okee? And like Kelly Clarkson just like, rip, just like handles. That's hilarious. I've never heard of that, but I love that. Kelly Clarkson has now become a adjective or something where it's like, oh, they Kelly Clarkson that. And it's like they did the best version you've ever heard. Oh, that's nice.

Because usually turning a person's name into a verb doesn't end so kindly, you know. You really shrewd at it. Yeah. You really sheffered it. You know what I mean? No, you Kelly Clarkson did that. Oh, oh my God. Thank you.

Happy to have witnessed it three months in advance. I think Kelly Clarkson's saying the original, um. soundtrack so that makes sense yeah I think so too I'm obviously talking about the original 1969 version of the TV special so I know what you're saying okay just making sure anyway I don't know where we're cutting back into the episode but that got really weird and I think my body's still returning to some sort of so sizzling do you feel yourself sizzling a little bit yeah it's sort of like you know glitching like my soul is like trying to like come back but like the Grinch kind of the energy really like threatened threatened part of my soul. I feel threatened.

Yeah, you should. You should. That's called survival instincts. Well, Christy, that was everything. Yeah, it was something for sure. How are you? What are you doing? Thank you for asking. I'm okay. I'm, um, I'm so thirsty. I'm drinking so much water. I will have to pee during this. You know, and you just like go through phase where you're like, wow, I'm just, I just, I love such a hydrated queen and then for like weeks you're like I forgot water existed and then you turn to the sponge from you turn a sponge bob but water yeah I know yes that's me I um I feel like I always alarm people when I have a really good swag of water and I out loud go oh god water so good it's like I know it's like I know it's literally like I had three seconds left yeah yep um I understand

congratulations I thank you it probably won't last but for now I'm riding the high Excellent. The high duration. Wow, you're really on one today, huh? I am. What's happening? Oh, we announced I'm leaving, and then I was like, oh, my God, help. My ego's been murdered over and over. I still haven't looked at comments.

Yeah, it's awkward. It was really, it was, it was an experience. Let's just say I was absorbing a lot of shock waves in my system that day. I see. I actively ran away. So, I mean, I'm still gone. So yeah, I mean, I do see horses behind you as it's like a few palominoes we've got decorating the walls. The Midwest is crazy.

Where are you? Right now I'm actually, I have a flight leaving Lexington. So I'm in Kentucky actually right now. Oh my God. Hi. Hey, I was going to go to Lexington this weekend. Oh, really? No, this was just the cheapest flight last minute.

So I had to end up. Oh, my God, hi Lexington. No wonder there's horses behind. You're literally an hour away from me. This is terrifying. Am I? I actually don't know how far away I am. Watch this.

Yeah, you are literally like an hour for me. That's crazy. No, I spent way too long in Indianapolis. And then I ended up in, oh, I ended up in Santa Claus, Indiana. Ah, yes. Love that for you. No. Devastating blow, everybody.

I have wanted, and I've said this for a very long time, my dream was to go to Holiday World. Yeah. Which is in Santa Claus, Indiana. So my intention. The only reason I'm, even went through Indiana at all was to end up in Santa Claus. Would you?

It's my own fault. I just assumed that theme parks are open every single day. And apparently holiday world is only open every single day in June and July and it's September. And I drove all the effing way through all of Indiana. Didn't the Google Maps say like warning closed? No, because I kept doing a lot of like what I did like last night, like a lot of midnight driving. And so everything's closed. I'm like,

dofess. Oh, it's midnight driving. That's the danger. I'm trying to do as much as possible during the day and then I drive

all night long and then I get there and like sleep for a couple hours in a hotel and then just like keep it going. So that's what happened last night. I was like the, anyway. So I literally as I'm leaving, I got here,

this is how crazy I am. This is how little time I have here. I was like, what are some good coffee shops? I have to do something touristy while I'm in Lexington. And I ended, up going to all these coffee shops this morning. I woke up at 7 a.m. this time here just so I could

go do something. And I, the only thing that's open is breakfast and coffee shops. So I did like a flight. I went to like four different coffee shops and tried every single one of their drinks. Yeah. A flight before my flight. Which one is your favorite? Well, I haven't tried two of them yet. I want to wait for you. I'm going to this weekend. I'm going there this weekend. I've never, the only time I ever went to Lexington, I have a friend visiting from out of town. And so I'm going there this weekend. and it's not you. Can you imagine? It's not me, no. Or maybe it is. I'm confused. I don't know. But I was going to go down there at some point this weekend and I never go down there.

I've been to Louisville a few times. But Lexington is where I got my COVID shot back in the day. Oh, really? So that's my like only experience was going to Lexington for that. But so I don't really know much about it anyway. Let me, well, I'm trying to look at like, like I didn't get to do anything while I'm here. the only things I've done here are things that were road trip accessible so like there's a water tower here that looks like a Dixie Cup so I drove past that and took a picture of it like it's like things like that like I didn't get to go into like any shops or anything so you'll have to let me know how it goes but there is a castle here that you can have a drink at and have so I that was like I kept trying to find things that that were stops along the way and so I she was like oh there's a fucking castle I'm gonna go in that castle I'm gonna go in that castle. And then I went on the roof. It was fun. Oh, of the castle. Exciting. Were there turrets? Yes. There were many. Oh, fantastic. You'll love it. And it actually was very, I think you would actually really like it. And I think you can like reserve reservations to get dinner there. Oh, Castle, Lexington. I think it's the Kentucky Castle. Oh, how exciting for me. I didn't know that such a thing existed. Anyway, that was on the way in, but then I just took a fat sleep.

And then I woke up and I was like, I have to go do something to say I did something in Lexington. Right, sure. One of the coffee shops I went to, oh, the cup doesn't have a name. I like when the cup has a name. But this, it's stripping everywhere. This is called, I wrote down in case you want to go. I do. Oh, my God, what's it called?

Help me. Oh, you know what you'll like? Because it was open. It was open when I got here and it was really cool. I imagine during the day it would be even cooler. You should write this down. Kentucky native cafe. Okay.

Oh, wait. I think I know about them. It's like all outdoorsy with icicle lights and everything, but there's like, it's also, it's also part like plant shop greenhouse. And so everything's outdoors, but very lush and beautiful. And they have really good menu, but by the time I was there, I couldn't get any food, but whatever, it looked good. Anyway, you should go there.

And then this coffee that I'm currently holding, Miss Drippy. is a cup of Commonwealth, and they have a wall full of, like, those coffee holders, like coffee, like the brown thing. Like the sleeves? The sleeves. And every sleeve up there is a prepaid coffee in case someone, like, wants a coffee and can't pay for it that day. That's nice. And then this one I went to, I'm going to wipe it off so I can get it close to the camera.

It's called caffeine, but, like, fiends, like enemies. And it's got a little alien on it. Caffeine, a fiend for caffeine. Oh, the alien I like. That's literally why I want. Oh, my God, you do have a whole flight situation. Those are two of them. And then I also went to one that, oh my God, what was that called? I have a picture of it. Oh, it's called the old school coffee. And it literally looks like a one room schoolhouse on the outside. You're going to have your time. You're going to have to send me these because I tried to write them down. But now I'm just like writing words like castle and schoolhouse. It's not going to make any sense when I do this later. And I'm like, help to my friend, like, who's not from Kentucky. I'll be like, help me find the castle. No, and then they also have something, I'm really hoping, if we finish in time, I'm going to try to sneak it into before the airport. They've got, it's called the toy headquarters. And apparently it's just like all these, it's like a vintage toy mall or something.

That sounds scary to me. Really? That sounds something to me. Well, it feels like it's going to have like talking dolls and stuff. Oh, it probably will. You know what I mean? Like the defunct Furbys. Yes, precisely.

I have to tell you one more thing. I feel bad. I need to let me ask you a question and you do you. Oh my God. Please don't. Because I have something I want to talk about, but I'm, I don't want to overspeak. Okay. What do you, what do you want me to talk? I can yap. What do you want me to yap about? Oh, I got a green juice. That's exciting. I'm trying to get more fiber in my diet. Does that help? Sure. Yeah. What's in that? I have no fucking clue. Kale or something. Okay. Okay.

I have really nothing exciting to report except that I will be going to Lexington soon. probably so that's so we'll do like a bookend tour here we'll do you start it I finish it uh for like two days we'll just you know yeah that would be very fun it is random very fun because we have such different interest when we travel yes I think um I mean until you said Castle and all that other and coffee but you know we have overlap but I think we travel very differently and I I would be interested I mean I'm not waking up at 7 a.m. for sure that's for sure I would be interested to go travel to a town and then you go and then we like talk about our like very opposite experiences there because part of me is like oh I have all these things to recommend to people but then I'm like I feel

like half the people I know wouldn't want any of these things like now I don't drink anymore so it's like I literally I'm a different like I feel like I'm a different person because it's like I don't just go to bars or like get drunk and then like sleep in you know I mean I that's true but I went to a castle and got a drink like you just got to get the right drink and now that's what I'm saying I think I might be more your style of traveler now that I don't drink. You know what I mean? Like because it's like, oh, I'm more intrigued by like mock tales. That's already putting me in such a big M camp that I can barely breathe. And then like the milkshake situation is off the chain. Like what's happening? You know, it's like this is all just going topsy turvy world. So I can for sure say that like

we may have more overlap in Lexington, Kentucky than we believe. I will say I wonder what that, well, I can't even say I wonder because like isn't this like bourbon town? I feel. I feel like half it almost is like a relief in some ways as a non-drinker that like oh well half the attractions i don't even have to think about doing those because they're not for me and then i feel that is what my friend is coming for is the bourbon trail stuff and i was like i'm gonna be just like not doing that part soda city soda yeah yeah uh dirty soda so it's gonna be you know it'll be fun but well i that's why i also go to so many speak easies because i'm like if i can't drink it better at least look cool you know the aesthetic better at least be enjoyable yeah which there are a few

speak-eisies out here. So you'll have a good time. I love Kentucky, man. I love it here. There's, um, oh, this is what I wanted to tell you. So the things that I spent most of my time in Michigan and Indiana, this is just like a pass-through situation. But in Indiana, no, in Michigan, I've told you before, there is a town called hell. Yes, of course I know about hell. Do you know about their mayoral program? Wait, didn't you tell me this? Yeah, you can be mayor for a day. Like they have an honorary mayor every day. Oh, you are insane.

What did you do? Mayoral proclamation. You are out of your mind. I knew something fell off on September 5th, 2026th. And then immediately, immediately after they do the ceremony, because there's a ceremony, of course. After they do that, they then impeach you. So here's my impeachment papers. You get an impeachment?

That's insane. Certificate of impeachment. And then they also give you a non-warranty deed. What the fuck is that? I don't know what that's for, but I love that it feels so official. I feel like Mom Donnie. And then there's, they also give you, oh, a soil analysis because part of your, part of the program is then they then gift you.

They, like, with a little vial go out into the dirt and scoop out dirt. And you get dirt from hell. And they give you a soil analysis, which I'm sure is fake, but it's fun to have. This is so strange. And then you get a shirt and the shirt says, I'm the mayor, but then it's like crossed out. And then, uh, what else? This is, like, Michigan is weird. And let me tell you, the entire town of hell, which I've already discussed this before,

but now is someone who's been there. The entire thing is just an ice cream shop called the crematorium, obviously. Oh, good. a gift shop. There's a mini golf course and there's a bar called the Hell Saloon. And every time you walk in somewhere, they go, welcome to Hell. It literally feels like we made this on the Sims. It feels, yeah. Like, doesn't it? So I just needed to tell you that you're now speaking. Oh, and they give you a badge. Oh, God. And when you become mayor, they write your name on the sign outsides. It says, welcome to Hell. And then Hell's Mayor of the day is, it was pretty cool. That's pretty sick. I'm just saying, I'm proud of you. Thank you. What an accomplishment. I have said it for years. I knew I'd be mayor one day. And I was literally mayor for one day. I felt it in the year. I felt it. I swear to God. I felt it. You could probably read my journal. I'd be like, something's off. Something's very wrong. All of a sudden, your eyes did this. A shift in the atmosphere. Anyway, I was very excited about that. I needed to tell you that I, you're speaking to a former mayor, please. Wow. And in my own Commonwealth at that. How exciting for you to grace my commonwealth with your presence. Not my jurisdiction, but, you know, they got good tea at the alien store or whatever this is. Sodi pop.

Yep. Yeah. Anyway, that's what I wanted to talk about. That's the reason why I drink. I am in a good way because I was the mayor and a bad way because I've been impeached. It's really embarrassing. I don't want to talk about it. Why do you drink?

Yeah, I want to talk about it, but that's okay. We can save that for like, why do I drink? Oh, God. Probably because you became mayor for a day and I, I, that's literally so scary. I thought of you at in hell. Thank you. I did think of you in hell because I was like this. Wait, that's actually like a nice postcard they should sell. Yeah. Greenings from hell. They probably do sell that. I'm sure they have a shirt that says, um, my friend, my friend went to hell and all I got was a lousy shirt. You know, of course. Of course. They had all the like, all the things for for babies. There's a shirt that says, like, went to heck because like they can't say hell or so. Biggy double hockey sticks. That's very fun. This is like the time I went to weed, California.

And like there's a whole store just like called like weed California. And it was like license plates. Weed and like it was just very silly. It was like they leaned into it. That was on the way to Mount Shasta. Mount Shasta. Fun. I, um, no, I was going to say I was thinking of you in not Indianapolis.

Where else was I? I think it was in Indian. I don't know anymore. It was Indiana. By the way, Indiana has, you know, like, the old drive-in restaurants that you see in the movies, where people would, like, drive up to the restaurant and they would, and they put, like, the little, like, tray on your window and everything. Indiana's alive and well with those.

Really? I went to a few of those. I literally live 15 minutes from Indiana. I have no fucking clue. I've never been there my whole life. That's not true. I've been there a lot. But I don't know anything about it.

I'm telling you, it was so cool. But I was thinking of you when I went to, um, there was a drive-in movie. and I don't know what they had like all the old little cartoons playing before and everything but it was a horror movie in the middle of a cornfield at like 11 o'clock at night. See, this is why. Nothing good happens in Indiana because of this very recent. I don't know. I thought about you. I don't know.

I thought about you. Thank you for thinking of me during. That is hell. That's my hell. It made me think of when we were trying to watch Sinister. You recall. When I'm trying is really a strong word. You recall is also a strong word because I don't recall either.

Anyway, that's enough talking about the trip. But I've just been all over the place, but there's been a few spots that made me think of you. And, uh, anyway. Zip-zap, zooming around, man. And now you're an hour from me and you're like, oh, hi. And there's horses on the wall. It's so exciting. It's that, yeah.

Welcome to my commonwealth. You guys are not playing around with the horses over here. That's not up in my neck of the woods. We don't really care about horses up here. That's more like your area where you are. So I always forget that's a thing until I kind of like venture further south. And then I go, what the hell with the horse? horses, but what the hay. Everything's a horse. What? Hay is for horses and that's all she wrote.

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And then you had the audacity to think about me and her. a cornfield watching a horror movie. It's shocking how many times you got brought up in my mind in a cornfield while I was watching a horror movie. It's really, I really hate that about me and I love that about me, you know? So it's kind of like I'm learning to live with. Very incessant. I don't, I don't even mean to be.

Pop in. This is a restaurant that everyone in Indianapolis will know because of its name. By me saying that alone, you probably know what I'm going to say. This is the slippery noodle inn. Please. What? which is different than the old spaghetti factory because I thought for sure they were cousins. It feels like a Simpsons joke about the old spaghetti factory.

Yes. It feels like like a TV. Like we're making a joke about it. Yeah. Like a Greek version like a like a no license to the name. So the slippery noodle in. It is a live blues club where they play blues music seven days a week. It is Indianapolis's oldest bar. And it is because I say it every day.

time. It's on the National Register Historic Places. We start in 1850, and it was originally a tavern called the Tremont House, which I'm so over it. Say it with me, everybody. This was supposed to be a house for all the people coming off the railroad whenever they would travel. This was supposed to be like a big stop for all the people getting off the train. The Who's Who? Yeah. From the Choochoo. Fun fact This building We just talked about ghost signs

A while ago Which is the apparently official name Of like when an old business is still painted And my favorite things On the side of a building And it's really distressed And clearly that building's been out for a long time But everyone's like respected the

The sign and never touched it There is a ghost sign on the side of the slippery noodle That still says the Tremont House I wish it said slippery noodle Because a ghost sign that says that slippery noodle would be something. Honestly, if I ever saw a distressed old vintage... I mean, slippery noodle, though, that feels like one of those, like, 1800 slang.

Like, oh, she's a slippery noodle. Oh, I got a slippery noodle to know what I mean. Grandpa, you can't say that in mixed company. Yeah. Like, you know it's something gross. Yeah, for sure. So it was the Tremont Inn. Then, or Tremont House.

And since that name, it's had many other names, only 10 years later, it was called the Concordia House during the World War War. one era it was called the Germania Germania house which I this is the stupidest thing I've ever thought in my life but I thought it last night and had a chuckle and I thought you should hear it please share with the class I'm so stupid I it just hit me for the first time that like during world war one they weren't calling it world war one because they didn't know there'd be a world war two I know that's stupid I know I know it's not stupid it's true I mean it's true I just I'm so used to calling it one thing that if I went back and said, oh, World War I, they'd go, what do you mean

one? I think they called it the Great War because it was like the first World War. Because it was pretty great. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty great times. And so yeah, you're right about that World War I too. That was like the first thing I asked in class. I remember being like, but then what did they call it before? You know, because I remember immediately having that same thought. I imagine going to someone in the 40s and going, oh, World War I. And they're like, what? In the 40s, they're probably already like shit. Yeah, well, we're in the thick of it. But yeah, you're right.

I feel like that must be distressing. Wait a minute. We just finished the first one. Oh, God. You know when World War II started, they were like, oh, again. Not again. I'm so tired. That seems like pretty accurate to what they experienced.

Yeah. That's how I'd be. I'd be like, please not again. I'm so over this. Yeah. I feel like they probably aged out by that point. But still, they were probably like, please not again. Okay, so it was called the Germania, Germania house.

Then it was called Beck's Saloon. I didn't understand this, but it sounds like because we were trying to eventually step away from like Germans. Like they were like, we don't want that name anymore. And then they sit. After two of these wars, they're like, all right. Sure. Sure. So then they changed it to Beck's Saloon, keeping it safe.

Then they changed it. Some new guy named Moore bought it so that it became Moore's Beer Tavern. What I like about Moore is that it was a beer tavern. before, during, and after prohibition. But during probation, obviously he couldn't promote that it was a beer tavern. So he just changed it to Moore's Restaurant. So in the middle, it was called Moore's Restaurant. But they were still making beer down in the basement.

The 1940s come around. It's called Boris's Place. And then in the 1960s, the family we're going to, you mainly have to care about. The Yirgi, Yergi family, I'm going to go by their first names. Uh, Yeegie family, I think. How do you spell that? Y-E-A-G-Y. Oh.

Yagie, maybe? Yeagie. Um, they bought it in the 60s on a Friday the 13th. Ooh. Uh-la-la. And they wanted this place to be a luncheonette. It was, uh, mom, dad and some brothers. I don't think there were any sisters.

And the whole family at different points all worked at this place. So the parents owned it. The brothers held. helped out. They grew up and then the younger brothers helped out. So it's like and sons. Like when you see like plumbers with like and sons and you're always like I wonder what happened to the daughters. Literally. Okay. There's uh, I just saw a store recently like on my travels that said like polymer and son. I don't know. It's something like palmer maybe. And daughters. Yeah. I don't know. It's false. Oh, daughters. That's fun. And daughters. And I went. Look at that. Finally.

I have found an aunt cousins, which is interesting. Cousins is cool. Mm-hmm. What about like ungrateful stepkids, you know? You could get really creative with it. And deadbeat dad. Yeah. Yeah, you can get really creative with it.

Oh, I love it. In my family, I could say like, and third stepfather's second stepson's ex-girlfriend's brother. Yeah. And like how catchy is that? It's like the Brady Bunch over here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, they wanted to be a luncheonette and they wanted the whole family to run it at different times. And the first of the Yigi Yegi family was Harold and his wife Lauren.

Harold, I don't know a lot about him, but what I do know is interesting. He did a USO tour because he wanted to go fight but he couldn't. So then he ended up being part of like the entertainment acts and he did comedy over for the troops. Okay. That's what they say. When you can't get into the military, you turn to comedy. So we did. those who can't do teach and those who can't go to the war, make them laugh. Those who can't do anything.

Yeah. So. Try to boost morale a little bit. Yeah, exactly. They were like, you're the heart planeteer, you know. Aww. So anyway, he was doing comedy. Eventually, he comes back over and him and his wife by this place.

Later, his son, Hal, would take over. And Hal did a really interesting interview a while ago. where it was the only place where I really saw him talking about like how they even got the building and all that. But when they asked why it was named the slippery noodle in, obviously like the first question you fucking ask. He was like, well, it was called Boris's place after the owner Boris. And my dad didn't want to call it that anymore, but he also didn't want to call it Harold's place. Thank you. And it's like that there should, there has to simply be more.

There can't be only one option in between those. There can't be only one. name that lands like it can't be the first thing you think about like somebody should have said good start we can circle back to that so not boress plays not harold's place slipper noodle there's only one other option so that's what i thought what i learned later when looking back in my notes is that i'd accidentally deleted the rest of his sentence so oh there is an actual reason but i didn't know at the time and i was like that can't be his fucking answer no that can't be it So I ended up reopening the link and I went, oh, there it is.

So they, it was Borses' place. He didn't want to call it Harold's place. So then the whole family got together and started just shouting out random names. And I guess part of his USO comedy bit, he had like a joke that he regularly told the family about the slippery noodle. It does feel like a dad joke. Oh, the slippery noodle. Look out for the slippery noodle. God.

So, but he, and for some reason, this is just like an extra quirk to him. He just always wanted to own something that said in in it, like the in. And so he just, who doesn't? He just, yeah, I love that. I love this. It's like, what do I want? I want to like memorialize my joke. Yeah.

And have an in at the same time. I will tell you, apparently the joke, it was in this interview. It's not even a joke. It's like a catchphrase. But it's like a dad catchphrase in that he says it. And we all. probably go okay and then like yeah if it's your friends if it's your friend's dad when when he goes at the bathroom you look at your friend you're like what did he say you're like I'm gonna make him say

it again your friend's like no okay so I'm gonna say it but I want you to know like if you don't laugh that's probably normal um okay okay and if I laugh I'll probably show how not normal I fucking freak yeah yeah okay so this was the catchphrase hit me with it I'm so embarrassed even do this. Slippery noodle. Once you heard it, you know you'd remember it. And the internet literally cut out and like your entire, like your entire thing just went and garbled.

And I thought, I think that's for the best. The internet went, we'll help you out. The hotel in Lexington was like, actually, we don't approve any of this. Thank you. So what basically the internet just said, fuck you say it twice. So here we go. Now I have to hear it again. But I only heard, okay, say it again.

again, say it all again. The fact that you didn't, when you were silent, I was like, okay, that meant I'd like kill the delivery. I'm so sorry. I was just waiting for you to return to the land of the living, but I'm ready for it again. Hit me. Okay. This is the catchphrase. Slippery noodle. Once you heard it, you know you'd remember it. Really? I would have fucking, I would have been so rich in that time. You and I could have just done anything. We fucking wanted. We would have ruled. We would have ruled the USA tour. I feel like the first time any soldier actually would have heard an actual joke, they would have gone, now that's funny.

Oh, what the fuck is this? Now this is what I've been waiting for. I feel like this was at a time when like, I feel like in the 40s no one had belly laughs. I feel like a good, solid laugh for them was in fact, ha ha ha ha, ha. Yeah, you know what? We would have to get really deep. We'd have to be like, have you heard about this World War II thing? And they'd be like, what?

And we'd be like, we're just, now it's funny. You'll get it someday. But I feel like they're like, I feel like laughing back then in my mind, like was not hearty enough. So that maybe was like the best joke they'd ever heard because they, they reacted, period. But I feel like if they knew the lengths they could go in laughter where they're like

crying and like on the floor doubled over, they'd look at that sentence and go. I wonder though if like that's why it's so funny because it's just so fucking. You're like in the middle of the, of the fucking Pacific theater and you're just trying to survive and get home to your beloved violet. And then like meanwhile,

there's this fuck-ass guy who's like, I named my restaurant after this joke. And he says it and you're like, I literally, like it's so absurd that maybe it's funny, you know? He's like, dude, I'm at war. Like, please. I'm literally going to die tomorrow.

Thank you, though, for the great belly laugh. Or maybe, I mean, maybe it was like you're saying, like, you know, when you're, it's like you can either laugh or cry and like you're in the middle of a war zone. It couldn't get worse. I guess this is better than anything else. I don't know.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. You and I would have fucking mopped the floor. I think so too. You know who does belly laugh for sure though?

It has to be his sons who every time he says it, they're like, what the fuck are you saying, dad? They're like, you can't keep bringing this up at dinner time and then writing it on the wall of our business. Please stop saying. At the least, don't spray painted on the wall. Yeah. So anyway. How about everyone your homework tonight is to go to your family. Without warning, just go,

slippery noodle, once you heard it, you know you'd remember it. And see what they do. It feels so right because it makes no fucking sense. It feels so right. I mean, I feel like people would go, yep, I will remember this because what the fuck is going on? And like he's not wrong. That's the craziest part. He must love that he's certainly passed now.

but like can you like he's he's having a great time knowing that we're passing this on. He's surely the one who made you say it twice, unplugging the router earlier. He's absolutely he was the one doing that. So anyway, that's how it got its name is this family bought it in the 60s to have a family luncheonette and he used to be in comedy or still trying out comedy. It's so good. I'm so yeah I'm shocked. Maybe comedy clubs weren't a thing yet, but I'm shocked they didn't have like an open mic every Monday night or something with the way that he's trying out of. Yeah. I feel like he would have just been the only one kind of on the open mic. And then it'd be like, dad, go home. I feel like a closed mic. It's just for him. No one's coming in anymore. Right.

I don't know. Maybe he was hysterical. For all I know, this was like a famous man. I can be honest, it made me laugh pretty darn hard. Okay, perfect. So 20, 25 years go by where they're all having a great time running this place together. But then in the 80s, uh, Harold passes away. and his wife is now opening,

is working at the place by herself. So Hal, who was the owner that did this interview, he steps in to help his mom out. He buys the place and starts running it. But he really liked music and wanted to incorporate music into the place. So he started,

his first big decision was, we're going to stay open way later, just so like the night scene will come in here instead of us just being a luncheon at. And I guess was, this was around the time when Indianapolis was starting to have some sort of night scene. So he was like, we got to be one of the first ones doing this.

And yeah. So he, uh, started this thing called blues jam where I guess people could just come in and start jam and as, sweet play blues music. And originally it was actually called like the blue, blues collar like a play on blue collar.

Him and his dad are way too fucking similar. And yeah clearly they run yeah yeah yeah the jeans are strong but it was it was supposed to be like everybody that works like a nine to five they could then come here right at five at the end of their shift and it'd be like all the blue colored people yeah listening to blues music and they were like why blues music and he was like I just like it so that's how we got a blues I guess he wanted an inn and he liked blues music there you go and you'll never once he heard it you'll always remember it. That's right. That's right. So basically it became such a popular music night space that like famous, famous, famous, famous musicians from all over started coming there just to listen, not even perform. They were just, they just wanted to be with everybody and listen to music. And it became very normal, I guess, to just see just like celebrities just wearing like a t-shirt and jeans, like having a beer, listening to other big acts. That's cool.

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That's z-en-n-I.com slash podcast, promo code podcast 15. One of his favorite stories, Hal, one of his favorite stories was that I guess a governor's conference was going to come into town and they wanted to have their event there because they'd heard how big the spot was or how happening it was. And he ended up having to have conversations with like secret service and everything. they had to bring in bomb dogs. And this is, one of his favorite stories is that while the Secret Service was there canvassing his

slippery noodle in, Gene Simmons from Kiss randomly rolled up to like go to the bar to hear music. And then he got there and realized that like the Secret Service was everywhere. And he, I guess he didn't understand that like, hey, we're closed for the night to the public. This isn't like, we're not playing music tonight for you guys.

I think he didn't know that like he should turn around to walk away or like it didn't occur to him because he said like no you don't understand I'm Gene Simmons from Kiss like here to listen to music and Secret Service was so stoked to meet Gene Simmons that they like ran his ID and let him come in to the private event but then Gene Simmons didn't have anything to do because no music was playing so he was just sitting there in the corner if Gene Simmons is an asshole very weird I don't know I don't know I don't know anything to do because no music was playing so he was just sitting there in the corner fuck it Gene Simmons is an asshole very weird I don't know I don't know anything about him, but I'm not surprised if he's seeing the Secret Service and he still thinks he can go up and say, I'm Gene Simmons. I've just, I've just, he's one of my LA encounters where I go. What did he do? No, he's just a, like, my brother just worked in for, it's for somebody that was very close with him and in the music industry and the like amount of just gross. Well, I'm not surprised after this story. I have heard, well, I'm not going to say it, but there, I've, I've, I've, I've heard of some people that I thought for sure were lovely. And then I find out like, oh, they're monsters.

And I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. Not that he really gave a lovely vibe, but. No, no, he's not. Yeah. No, it's not great. Anyway, so that was just one of his celebrity moments that he was like, there's just Secret Service, squad bomb dogs and Gene Simmons sitting in my,

I mean, my hell. My hell. Yeah. It feels like a dream. It feels like a bad dream, yes. So since this time, many people still come through and hang out here that are famous, but you know, with social media, it's a lot. They don't stay for as long.

When Hal took over the building from his dad, or after his parent, his dad passed, he began renovating the place and turned some of the areas back into their original look. This includes the second floor that used to be way before it was a bar back, this is more like the Prohibition era. it was a Bordello upstairs So he turned the upstairs rooms Back into a Bordello I'm assuming he was trying to make this

Back into like a hotel kind of vibe And he wanted it to look like it did back in the day For Gene Simmons For Gene Simmons who wants to see what a Bordello looked like Do you know who I am? Yeah And one of the rooms I guess Even still has like a stash spot hidden inside the floor

Back during like Just to keep with the fun of it all. So yeah, during Prohibition, this was a Bordella just to keep more money coming through when they were struggling a little bit. Even after the Prohibition ended, the Bordello

stuck around until 1953. And it only ended because two men ended up fighting over a woman and one of the men stabbed the other and then walked out leaving the bloody knife on the bar. Oh my God. Yeah.

Huh? Which is so like Tony Soprano of like, yeah, here's all my, here's my fucking bloody knife and I don't even care if you see it. This is, yeah, signature sign off. Like, what the fuck? Other than it being a bordello, it was also, um, a slaughterhouse. They were doing a lot to just bring extra money in, I guess.

And all of it was in extra ghosts and bad energy into the building. Yeah. Upstairs is the bordello. Then there's the restaurant. That's definitely still a bar. Downstairs in the basement is where they're made. making the beer. And also in that space is a slaughterhouse that like the FDA would not approve. No. And the umbrella over it all is slippery noodle?

Yeah. Honestly, it probably looks so ridiculous that no one even paid attention on paper. They're like, that can't be real. The absurdity of it, it just, yeah, skips, skips over the details. So also during the prohibition time, this became a big place for some nefarious groups, as you can imagine, including John Dilliger and his game. So they're actually still in which, one of the concert music areas in like the venue area of this building, there are still bullet holes in the wall. Oh my God. From when John Dillinger was there.

And it seems unclear what these bullet holes were from. Talk about a calling card. Yeah. Some people think a person might have been shot there. But there's other articles that told me that, um, the manager at the time let them use that wall as target practice. He's like, just put a few bullets in so we can like market this for future people. to say, look at this bullet hole left bite.

Yeah. The cops I'm already trying to hide my business from definitely make gunshot noises. True point. True point. Maybe put some holes in the wall. Yeah, I can point. But it really is a selling point now. I wonder if it was just to keep them happy while he was like, so they wouldn't hurt his

business or something. I don't know. It's like, you can shoot him. It's fine. But so we don't totally know what the bullet holes are from, but we know John Dillinger and his friends are responsible. That's cool. On top of it being a Bordello, a speakeasy, a slaughterhouse.

a future luncheonette. It was also a stop on the undergrad railroad because it was so close to that railroad. Right. There are still openings in the foundations and walls of the building that have slowly gotten smaller. I think like the structure of the house is suffering a little bit. But allegedly that's where people would hide.

And I'm pretty sure this is confirmed that it was a stop on the underground railroad. but I saw one article that seemed skeptical of that. So I'm just going to put that in the air. But it seems to be established as it was a stop on the Underground Railroad. It was also a Civil War barracks. So, you know. Oh, boy.

Yeah. It's really covering all the bases, huh? And it said that people might be buried under the basement. I knew it. I was like, here we go. Let's see. There's also burial plot. Let's guess what's next.

Yep. So a lot of reasons for there to be ghosts. A lot of people lived here, died here. had bad memories here. And then slap a slippery noodle stick joke on it. And like, you're no wonder the ghosts are all riled up. It went from haunted to hexed, I think. If you say slippery noodle in enough, then it's like beetle juice, you know?

What else would happen? Yeah, bad stuff. So one of the main ghosts is a woman named Sarah. I think the restaurant named her Sarah. But she is a woman seen on the second floor. It's assumed that she was a sex worker. she looks like she's in solid form to some people to others it's more of a shadow but people swear that she looks like a human standing up there and that is a closed off space so which i'm confused why

maybe they just never went through one turning it into a full-blown hotel and that was initially the plan but why did they spend any time redoing the second floor and turning it back into its original state to not do something with that maybe they use it as like offices or something They just use it as offices, but it feels like why would you go through all the redecorating and renovating just, I mean, store things in there? I don't know. I don't know. So anyway, people see Sarah up there. They know it's that people aren't supposed to be up there.

So when they see her, they're freaked out for sure. She appears to staff and visitors. But one time during a paranormal investigation, she allegedly was channeled through somebody on that tour and said that she was the madam of the. Bordello, not just a sex worker. She's like, hold on a minute. I need to sit the record straight. Let me jump in your body for a second. I need your vocal cords.

I'm the HBIC. Let's be clear. Yeah, let's not fuck around. Other shadows of women are seen on the second floor. And I do wonder if that's, if that's always been that way or if it's because they renovated things to look like they used to and that might have brought some energy back. I was going to say that too. Like maybe that's what inspired the return.

Yeah. Yeah. The doors also are known to open and close when men go up there. And one article said, like, the women clearly don't like the men being in their space. And I was like, I think they're doing their job. I think they're letting men into the bedrooms. It's like, okay, come on. Right.

Like, that's what it would have been doing. Yeah, totally. So that's Sarah and the girls upstairs. Then there's George, who I also think was named by the staff. But he was somebody who used to tend to the property. He's regularly seen in coveralls, usually in the big. basement doing some sort of maintenance work. He is seen mainly by utility and delivery men who have to go into the basement to get access and

like drop things off. Sucks. And it's been like a common thing that they will go down there and see a man just standing there in his overalls. It's like not cool to be that guy at the overalls. Like give him a break. They're just trying to do their job. Literally like there have been delivery men who have said like take me off the schedule.

Like really I don't want to be back here. No, I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to. I'd at least be like buddy system. Hell no. So also in the basement, sadly, it seems that there might be spirits down here that are of formerly insulated people. Because this might have been where they were hiding at some point when on their way to the railroad. And the basement in general is said to be really creepy, but that could also just be like the heaviness of that situation.

People say that they hear whispers down there, which would make sense if people are whispering and trying to keep quiet down there. But people have also just said it just feels too creepy. Some of some employees just don't even go down there. There's like, we've talked about this, but like a basement's already, you know, and then you give it all that lore and like actual history. And it's like, well, you know, I think I'll pass. Sorry, your microphone like made a crazy sound and I just like totally jump back. Yeah. Ew.

It's weird because as I was talking, I was thinking in my own basement and like picturing it. Because I was thinking like, oh, the second you have a creepy basement and you add lore or like history, real history to it, it's like, no thanks. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's your basement is straight out of Michigan hell. You know what I'm like? Yeah. I could give you a soil sample from down there.

I've been down there. My shoes have soil samples on that. It's probably still in your lungs from being down there. That place is like truly like. Oh, and then M has the audacity to go. Hey, ghost. Do you like Christine living in your house? house. Do you like the baby living in your house? And they was like going, no. And I was like,

M, you are opening a can of worms. You better close it. My bad. My bad. No, it's good because I immediately jumped in and said, I love it here and you're awesome and everything's fine. And Eva did some meddling and we were all good. I stand by it. That, like, you could make so much money in your town. I mean, I'm not going to say where you are, but you are in an area that, you know, people would absolutely gravitate towards your place if you decide to turn your basement into a actual speak easy I just feel like I don't have a good enough joke an absurd enough joke to make to name it after that's a lie I have 80,000 but also I feel like that would require all sorts of all sorts of permits and things that I have no business trying to get I know and I know you don't even drink any more so like you wouldn't even have like the fun of it as I don't want drunks in my house I don't want drugs in my basement you know I'm telling you though, like the vibe, you'll never, you'll never see a vibe like that anywhere else.

You will. It's just a dirty Kentucky basement. It's called a cellar. It's like a dirt floor. That's like such an aesthetic. I mean, fair. And also like the house itself is from a time where you can go down there and see like the original water cistern and like where the coal shoot was. So it is cool in that way. But it's so cool. It's very spooky. But you're right. But it's also like just dirt floor and then it's so humid because when it rains. So it's also like gross and like. dirty. Just like it was back in the day. I know, I know. But apparently they did. There were buried beer cap because we did a little metal detecting down there once. Where do we post? We posted that to Patreon, I think, ages ago. But I just kept finding bottle caps. And then that one guy who passed me in the garage, like a specter was like, I lived there. Have you seen the old woman? And I'm like trying to buckle my infant into the car seat. Like, hello? And he's like, she pushed me down the stairs. My father used to have a speakeasy in the basement. And I'm like,

I'm telling you. Yeah. Yeah. The father had not the worst idea. Just know, like if you did it, if you're wondering if it would sell like hotcakes, my friend, I'm telling you. Okay. I mean, listen, you're in Kentucky right now. So like you want to drive up and start vacuuming all the dirt out of the dirt floor.

At 3 a.m., we both know I would do a killer job. I know. I was going to say, actually, you could stop at Menards, get a few tarps. We could really. Now it sounds like Dexter. But, you know, it'll be fine. Speaking of like a place to kill people like another great idea for your basement. What an excellent thing to put on the airways, yes.

What an excellent alternative plan to doing a bar in the basement. We'll do a murder scene instead. Something spooky has to or already has or both. Definitely. No doubt. So also to confirm the rumors that this basement might have people buried under the ground. Not that a, I mean, confirmed for some people. A psychic went down there and without knowing that information, I think, saw a hand sticking out of the floor, which...

What? Yuck. Like, they, like, saw... Like, I'm seeing a hand sticking out of the floor. So I'm assuming that solidified it for some people. People also hear footsteps, voices. They get touched. People...

Oh, sorry. I had to... I had to leave this last, of course. Your ghost, your cowboy. So, where is he? He, this is very short. I'm so sorry how brief this is. They really sucked me in by saying ghost cowboy and then fucking nothing else.

That's what they do. They do it to me all the time. Don't worry. I'm used to it. I mean, it is a very cowboy thing to just like, they leave me wanting more, you know. I know, man. That's why.

But there is the ghost of a cowboy or cowboy looking man walking around and then vanishing, which I guess if you're in Indiana, everyone's kind of wearing boots anyway. So I guess you're a cowboy looking. I don't know though, because there's a lot of college kids. I'd rather see a cowboy, you know? Here's my thing.

They say the rumor is like, oh, this cowboy, this is one of the guys that was in that fight where someone stabbed the other and then left the bloody knife on the bar. Sure, sure, sure. They say that, like, oh, he might be the one that died or he might have done the stabbing. But also that happened in 1953, and I don't equate cowboys with 1953. So I don't know if he matches the vibe. He would match more of a vibe in your basement, I think. Yeah, I mean, he's welcome if he's has something, if he doesn't have plans,

and Slate. But, um, and I will be putting a tarp down, so he doesn't have to worry about anything about it. And his spurs will be just fine. So, yeah, just clomping around. Well, during the pandemic, the Yegi, Yegi, family started hosting ghost tours. They'd already been doing history tours for a long time,

but they ended up now doing ghost tours. On these ghost tours, people did get access to the Bordello area and the basement, which are usually closed off to the public. And the guy that was hosting it was Hal's son. So that makes three generations of Yeagie's working there. And they got a lot of cool evidence from investigators that visited. But the ghost tours ended pretty quickly because it started around COVID. and then it ended in 2023 because the Yegi family finally sold the building to new owners who seem, according to one article, very disinterested in the ghost element of the business.

Indianapolis Monthly was doing an article and reached out to them for an interview and they declined to comment on if the place was haunted or not. Wow. That'll tell you. Other than that. I know, but also that's also so mysterious. I'm like, ooh. they're like we decline comment yeah okay so like it must be a yes like usually like I think if they were like is it haunted they'd be like no it's not really haunted you know oh that's true but to say like no comment

it's like what are you hiding yeah yeah yeah yeah or even if it's not haunted thank you for keeping the the fun alive yeah I appreciate that even if they're like we don't want the fun it's not haunted please stop talking to us thank you for at least letting me believe it but other than that they said that they at least in the past they've said they don't plan on changing much to the building or anything like that everything still looks the same is the same the name's the same uh which like can you imagine buying the slippery noodle in and changing the name back to boris's place like are you fucking kidding me i mean are you fucking kidding me like susan's cafe like no yeah enough so other than that everything is still you know the same there it's worth checking out and i drove past it i

remember driving past it because of the name obviously and i remember thinking i should go in there And then I didn't even think about it again until I googled it when I was already driving away. I'm glad you Googled it, though. I'm glad you knew it was important enough to Google. I mean, the name. Something hit me in my spirit. And I thought it was come on and have a drink, but it was actually report this for the next episode. So.

I'll take it. It was me popping in saying, hello, cowboy. Tell me about it. Anyway, I wish I had more about the cowboy. That was like my big, I was like, oh, it's a crazy name. I'll definitely look it up. And then I saw Cowboy and I did all these notes. And then by the end, I went, where the fuck's that cowboy?

I've got an active imagination. It's okay. Yeah, you do what you need to do with that. Thank you. But that's the slippery noodle in, the SNI. The SNI. The SNI. And I love that we got an Indiana story. Now you're in Kentucky.

And I'm here in Kentucky. We're in this little like pocket of the Midwest. We call it here the tri-state, which is embarrassing because then I moved to big cities. And they were like, no, like New York City is the tri-state. And I was like, no, Indianapolis or no, Indiana, Ohio and Kentucky are the tri-state. And people were like, girl, go back to your horse. Last night I got in, I don't remember when I was, I got in at a time when only bars were open to give you some insight. And that's how I found out about the speakeasy.

And at one of the speakeasies, this, this guy said like, oh, are you in the industry? And I'm from L.A. I thought he was talking about Hollywood. And I went, oh, I used to be. And then he started talking about like restaurants. And I went, oh, no, oh, no, no. Oh, I literally thought you were going to talk about horses. So I'm like, or bourbon. Like, I was like, where are we going with this?

But restaurant industry. I was making really good small talk with him. And he was the bartender. But I just thought, like, oh, he's a bartender. He really knows how to read people he can tell him from not from around here. Like, I don't know what he, I thought. He just thinks you work in a restaurant in Lexington. But he just thought I, like, was like a waiter down the street.

I mean, it sounds like you're a Jack of Alt Trades. You're like, I can talk restaurant shop. I did for a little bit. It took me a second to realize what the hell he was saying. I guess. I love it. I can talk restaurants, trust me. Yeah, you're from L.A. You can talk smooth. You can talk anything. Well, I certainly know how to eat. We know how to eat and yap. All right, that is my side. Would you like to go? Fantastic. Like, I have to be so bad. Yeah. Okay. Guess where I was last night on my Rocket Money app. I gathered the courage and I opened it up and they were so nice to me. And they said,

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Not all of it. Half of it. We described it in Yappi Ever, so Yappi Ever got the first, like the inside scoop. But now I want to cut back in and say, wow, we're talking about the coolest idea ever where I'm just realizing, like, how perfect it is, of M going, ghost hunting with celebrities,

interviewing them in haunted houses. And I'm like, I can see it in my, I see it. I mean, I. It's fucking genius. It's fucking genius. You have to do this. I, I would like to very much. Holy shit. Are you seeing it for the first time now?

We've talked about this for years. I know, but I couldn't see it because I think to me, like the interviewing part is so, like, not something I like. And it kind of scares me. And it's like, we were talking about this in a yap era. Like, the, the journalism part kind of like wigs me out. Like, even though I studied it, it's like, I'm like, I'm, like, I'm, like, I learned very quickly that is not my strong suit and I don't necessarily like strangers and celebrities and I'm scared of people. But like now when I'm thinking about it as like you in a scenario like a hot ones with I'm like, oh my God, I see it now.

Yeah, I don't know how much we're keeping it, but I'll just say again. My dream for years, years and years. I mean, since we got. I just never understood it from my perspective, but I feel like you would fucking nail it. Yeah, I think I tried to kept picturing it with me in it and I was like, I don't think I'd be good at that. And I wouldn't be able to do that properly. I always thought you'd be great in it. And I would have always thought you'd be like the head honcho on the interviewing part.

But it always, it just never like, it just always was like something where I was like, oh, that would be super cool. But like I never could picture it, but conceptualize it. But now I kind of can see it. Maybe. Well, I don't know. I've always thought it just feels like a. I think it's because the combo with the travel stuff you're talking about. Like somehow it just clicked for me.

like, oh wow, this really is. No, I have a whole... Oh, I thought I lost you for a second. No, I am. I probably got too excitable and burst the internet or something. No, I mean, I've always had... My thought was always, I don't know where it's getting cut, so I'll say it again, but like hot ones,

but instead of eating spicy foods, it's ghost hunting with celebrities where you're interviewing them while they're, like, scared. Like, can you imagine, like, this is a pipe dream, obviously, but imagine, like, Kiki Palmer in a haunted house trying to answer questions and not act scared or something like that'd be so funny. I mean it's like so good and like Ellen DeGeneres used to have a bit and like fuck her so it's like oh yeah and her's was just going through a jump scare attraction and just watching people get scared but like bullying people and laughing at them this is like not that which I think is a much more interesting take yeah I think so because I mean even if we like if someone was just too fucking scared

I feel more comfortable talking about this now is that I know that I'm leaving the podcast or everyone knows so you're not you don't have to do it no it's sort of like I have a perspective from an outside angle now that like maybe I didn't before where I was like oh we would have to do it together but it's like oh now I can see that you like see this as like your soul like that would be fucking amazing like you would be really good at that so anyway I needed that to be on public record not paid wall not behind a paywall well thank you and that would also help because remember I told you years ago too and we we talked about it for a second but then nothing ever came from it but I always thought it'd be cool to have like and that's why I drink themed like like somehow

have our own ghost hunting equipment or work with a ghost hunting company to I think that would be it would work even better over there if like I had my own established ghost hunting TV talk show with celebrities and then got to have like my own like branded equipment and then like we just said have also my own like quirky roadside attraction travel show since I'm already in that area and yeah I don't know I have a whole several things idea for myself but I don't know one if people would be interested to how possible it is it feels like it should have happened by now and if it has it has And no, that's not. No, no, no, you got to understand. This is what I'm saying. It's all falling into place. Divine timing. You have to, you have to wait till you're, you've developed enough of a skill set or the timing's right. Just, things just have to kind of play out. But I think that really would be like such a cool thing to pursue, really. Thank you. I'm begging you. Though. I mean, I've always thought that, but now I'm like saying, oh, I can see it like very like real concretely. Well, if I ever actually did it. for some reason, Zach Baganz is there. You would have to also be a guest on the show also. I could not do that without you. I think there would be no stopping me,

no matter how hard you tried. No matter how many. Can you imagine like a ghost study with Jude Law? Here's the problem. I would probably assume most of your guests are Jude Law, based on my kind of perception rate of Jude Law. And my win to lose ratios, like, not pretty. So I'd probably end up crashing way too many of those.

but like the Zach Began's one like hell or high water you could hire every Etsy witch to stop me and I probably find my way in so don't worry if I ever got Jew law to spend 24 hours with me I would spend a few of them flying him to your town and parking him on your front porch just to have you open the door just to see your reaction the terror you would and then you'd have to film it because it would be like some sort of like that would be insidious three I think I know I think so. would be me opening the door. I don't know what the first two are about, but I feel like this is what it would be about is me opening the door and going, now my brain is short-circuiting for real. Yeah, that would be rough. Thank you for the little plug. I mean, if anyone's ever wondered, like, if I didn't have this podcast, what my next move would be or what that would be it.

That's kick ass. Everyone show interest. So that way our manager wants to actually help me put that pitch together. Everyone show interest. I'm showing deep interest. So whatever I can do. I always thought it'd be a good YouTube show, but I'm just horrified of, like, camera work and everything. Like the microphone, this microphone, this one microphone horrifies me.

I can't imagine a whole situation. Anyway. Well, start imagining it, baby, because otherwise it's not going to happen. Etsy witches, please conjure up my, my being able to have know-how on that. Thank you. Em, you've got the know-how. You've been doing a podcast for 10 years. Ghost hunting away.

Come on. Okay, your turn, though. What's your next dream thing? No, no, no, no. Yes, what's your next thing? No, no, no, no. I have no clue. I'm winging it.

I don't believe you. I know you've got something cool cooking. No, I'm serious. Nope. I'm walking off a cliff and I'm going, I've literally, I have a huge word on my mirror. It says surrender. And that's for two years now. I've been doing that.

And I'm like following, following the heart and surrendering. And so I kind of don't know what's next. I've been doing these readings on YouTube and TikTok. And it's literally what I don't know how to explain it, except that it's like, I'm like, time to do a video. And then I just do one. I channel it. I don't even know what I'm saying, basically.

I post it. I move on with my day. It's just a strange routine that one day started. And I'm like not missed it. I miss like one day. And it just feels like normal. And but that's kind of it. Like I'm just like I'm clearing my house out.

I'm really like. Nice. It feels like I'm in a preparation phase for something. Does that make sense? But I don't necessarily know what it is. So that's why there's a lot of surrender where it's. where it's like, I feel like so many things are falling away and like opening up space in my life that I'm sort of like, I don't know what's going to fill it. And I don't think it's my job to force it.

But does it feel good to not know for a second? It feels terrible. Oh, oh. I thought it was like, how nice. No, it's like I'm trying to really just trust the process of like that in between limbo phase, that like liminal space of things are falling away. and like I have to trust that like better things will fill in or or you know other things will take you know but there's like this like void space where you're like well what do I do and it's like sometimes all you can do is just like be so I've been just trying to be and it's hard um but I found a

lot of like little joy throughout the day and I feel very privileged that I'm not like you know rushing through to find like financial support after I leave the podcast so that's really fortunate so yeah I don't necessarily feel like very I mean I'm still doing Beach to Sandy and we have like that going on as usual but yeah I don't really have any like big I'm really just it's like a weird liminal space of like it feels like a portal where I'm like every day I'm kind of like okay one day I'll end up somewhere and look back and go, whoa, you know, but I don't know. That sounds very like vague and like esoteric. But I basically just am kind of like, it feels kind of like one step at a time. And the path is like clearing as I walk,

you know, a little bit. I mean, some of the best things come out of just being with yourself for a second. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. That's where I'm at right now. And it's, it's hard because I really am an impatient person. And I think one of my life missions here on earth is to learn. patience and surrender and it's really hard but I'm trying and I'm finding little joys in the day so well Allison quit her job a while ago and couldn't be happier now so not that you know you know you know what I mean no but you're right it's like fall like sometimes it's like oh there's grief and it's so bittersweet like most big decisions are bigger sweet bigger big or sweet most big decisions are big or sweet and bittersweet um yeah because there's always

something there's you know there's grief to be had in every like new chapter because something had to close and so i don't yeah so i don't kind of know where i'm going that's fair that's fine it feels right you know so i'm like just one foot in front of the other for right now yeah but i feel really like at peace um and a lot of people were like worried about us which i is fair because it did feel like that post came kind of out of nowhere and then we were recording as it came out and then like the episode came out a few days later. So I think there was like some context missing in the timing. But yeah.

We even, we, again, we said this in the last episode too, that like we definitely wanted to tell you before a statement ever came out. Like the plan was originally that we would. Yes. That we would discuss it way before there was ever a, like an Instagram post. But that did look. It was just the timing of everything. It was abrupt. out the way we wanted to.

So it looked rougher than it was. It felt like sort of chaotic and abrupt. And like, yeah. So for everybody who was, yeah. So anyway, all that to say, yeah, we're doing well. I mean, I can't speak for you. But like, you know, I just feel like. I might be a famous ghost hunter one day.

So I think I'm doing. I mean, right. It's like we're just kind of following the steps. We're not. Some people are very worried about my mental health. I'm doing very well. well because of the terror readings. You don't have to talk about if you don't want to.

Well, no, but people talked about like a couple people are worried about spiritual psychosis and my terror readings and OCD. And like I want to give that the grace of like or like the credit of like yes, OCD and religious OCD. And it's a very fraught subject and it's something I've struggled with. But I'm very, I'm very aware like I from from my. So and it's very important to talk about and bring. up and I do respect for sure that um asking because it's it's worth considering I guess but um for what it's worth yeah mentally I'm doing very well and um health wise in general so nobody no and people because people were like you know a little worried that I was kind of spinning out and that it was like

this sudden thing and that I was now this like spiritually on this like kind of mentally unwell like train of believing, you know, and I'm, I promise you, I'm grounded and very well. It's just been a very long year. And we haven't really been able to share a lot of the things behind the scenes. Yeah. But yeah, so for what it's worth, I just want to say, like, I'm okay. So thank you. And I'm glad I ran away and didn't see the comments. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry you had to hear. No, no, it was feel good on you. No, no, it wasn't like even that. I think I've been able to like heal to a place where I'm like not, I'm detached from like the feeling like I'm able to like recognize like it's not necessarily about me, you know, or like be able to like not take on people's like respect people's disappointment but not like bury myself in it. Which is something I've worked on through the nine, 10 years of this podcast. So it's been that's been a huge lesson and a beautiful one. And so it was like, kind of nice to read the comments and just feel like, oh, people are just expressing their feelings and I don't need to like take them on as my own, you know, but, um, yeah, but, but understand where

people are coming from and yeah. So I do appreciate everyone chiming in and sharing and saying what the show meant to them and all that, you know, bittersweet. I did see, um, some, some TikToks have come across my, my desk, um, of, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I only saw one. But, uh, it, I mean, they're very sweet, but people are just like, it's weird to see like our name trending, not like on everyone else to TikTok, but my algorithm, it said like, uh, yeah, to see myself being discussed on my for you page is really something I never have experienced, honestly. Yeah, usually TikTok is where I go to, um, escape anything and then all of a sudden people are like saying our names, not many, but it was, right, because TikTok's like where I go when I don't

want to be perceived because it's like, I want to perceive everyone else. And so suddenly it's like, I'm perceiving you. And it's like, wait, that's not how this app works. Like, I'm supposed to be. Yeah. What does it say about my algorithm that knew I would want to know about myself, you know? Love that because by the time that scrolled across my free you page, you had already commented. And I was like, that's hilarious. Oh, really? Okay. So yeah. You had already commented. I was like, there you are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You saw the same one then. No, I, I've had a few where people have just, it's just been very funny that it shows up. And I go, oh, I didn't even looking for it. So. I realized, by the way, Christine, that I never even tried these drinks.

They've just been sitting here this whole time. Well, you better. But no, that was, that was all important to say. I'm very glad that we sent all that. I hope that whatever you do next is really special and really big. I hope I'm a celebrity on your ghost hunting show. I literally, for years, man, wanted you to be the other person on the ghost hunting show. No, but see, that's where I got confused.

Now you're just leaving to be the fucking guest. I want to be the guest. I want to be the guest. The first question on that is going to be, why the fuck did you not want to be the other host of this show? Why you just want to come on one time? Because I'm too socially awkward. I don't like interviewing strangers. I feel really insecure around celebrities, et cetera.

I don't know. I have a plethora of reasons. Talk to my therapist. That's very nice of you. I really would like to one day have a ghost-swing show. That would be my dream. It's like I couldn't picture it until it was like. like oh like because and then I think it was the hot ones I know you've talked about hot ones but like

I think it finally clicked in my head of like oh yeah you'd be that's like that is it'd be informative it'd be scary and it'd be funny which are like my three favorite things because like I want them to be it's perfect like and it's scary and funny and informative yeah I think it'd be especially also I'm talking about this way too much I can shut up I'm sorry I'll just say this one part that I think it'd be really funny that like so the way that hot ones originally was and I don't know if it's still this way because they've changed their format a few different times now but originally like the 10th wing is supposed to be the hottest one so and the questions get harder as the wings get harder to eat and so by the 10th one you're not even thinking about your PR training you're just fucking answering honestly to just

get out okay okay okay and so it really challenges you to yeah and so I always thought it'd be funny if I ask them questions, but for like the final like three questions I had like that would be, if they were willing, like we would be in separate rooms. They'd be like in the scariest part by themselves. And like through a walkie talkie, I would ask them the questions or something. Like just so they're like really freak the fuck out by every sound or something. It could be like if you answer these three questions you can get out of the like an escape room, but they're by themselves. But you're locked in. But also like how many people out there are going to like agree to it is like I'm going to put you in a.

How many people would agree to eating a bunch of chicken wings on camera? I don't know. The concept isn't what, like the concept, you don't have to worry about that, like, what people will, because that, you could do that with any fucking show. Anyway, the concept is there. Don't mess with it. It's so good. Imagine if I told Gene Simmons, you're going to go be in an abandoned house. You could trip over anything.

It's pitch black. And also, you have to hang out with me in the middle of the night when you're, like, actively. trying to like get your beauty sleep for the rest of your junket tomorrow for your junket i don't think you want to be in that position i feel like i'm just there's got there's going to be so many liability insurance forms in my future if i go through with this so yeah you don't need jean that's why you're leaving that's why you're fucking that's why you i heard how much you wanted jean simmons on our show and i said i'm out of here oh okay now tell me speaking of a true crime that sentence now tell me the rest of a

crime. That's right. What a good to go. So I have a story here and I don't want to sugarcoat this in any way. It's an extremely really heavy one. Yeah, it's a dark one. It's

very rough. Okay. It includes crimes against children and some pretty traumatic triggering stuff. So I want to warn everybody. It's the story of the green family killings. Okay.

And so I wanted to put that out there. Sorry, what were you going to ask? Well, I was going to say, I'm surprised. Do you really bringing out the heavy hitters right before your grand exit? Well, you know, I feel like I go through. I go kind of like back and forth where like some weeks it'll feel lighter like with the one last week. I mean, full disclosure, there was like some stuff behind the scenes with our researcher. And so we were like emergency, family emergency.

So. But for this week, search of. was like bringing the heavy hitters and there were a bunch that we were thinking about and this is one that they brought that I was like I don't know man and then the more I looked into it and like talk about insidious I was like I need to cover this oh okay it but it's tough okay uh I want to warn you that it's tough so after this maybe we have a preparation maybe we have a I don't know. I have a sip of water next to me.

That's about all I have to really feel good after this one. I have a moon pie and tums. The moon pie will be handled first, obviously. Both will be needed, I think, by the end. Yeah. That's all I have. So, yeah, I'm going to jump into it. You know, there is some redemption to it, so that's good.

But, like, yeah, it is heavy. So if you're in a place where you're not feeling, like, able to stomach kind of, it's not gory necessarily. it's just really It's just about children White tragic And involves children Exactly

Okay So the Green family This takes place Wouldn't you Frickin know it Sircia picks a story Not knowing any of this This is a couple weeks ago

In Curd-Alene, Idaho Oh, okay Is that how you pronounce that? Say it again Wait, I thought I thought that's where you went Wait Now I'm seriously having it

Cordalane Cordillane Cordelaine? I'm going to be so fucking honest with you. Yeah? Both times you said it just cut out. What's happening? You said Ohio at the end, right?

No. Oh, I really didn't hear any of it then. What did you say? Cordelaine, Idaho. Oh, Idaho. I heard Ohio. That's why I went, oh, because I was like, oh, what are the odds? We're both in that area, I guess.

I don't know. I just nodded along. Isn't that where you went? Cordillane Idaho, yes. You went there recently. I did. That was the place that is that Maggie was stoked that I was going there. She loves Puerto Rico.

I thought this was another fondalak where you were like, what are you saying? And I was like, you were there. And then I'm doing it again. So I'm glad that's not what's happening. Sorry. No, you're like literally only the city cut out both times. And I was like, what the fuck is going? That feels bad.

That feels bad. I thought you said Ohio and I just went, oh, okay, because like we're both the area. Right, right. No, so how do you, can you, can you pronounce it for me? Cordillane. Cordillane. Okay. So May 16, 2005, Cordelaine, Idaho. This guy named Bob Hollingsworth stops by his neighbor's house. His neighbor, Brenda Green, lived in a house right beside I-90, but the home was still rural and located nine miles outside of town on forested land in the mountains. Brenda lived with her three youngest children. There was 13-year-old Slade, nine-year-old Dylan, and the youngest, who was eight, named Shasta. Or Shasta? Shoot, now I don't know.

Hmm. Shasta. I think Shasta. 37-year-old Mark McKenzie also lived there. He was Brenda's boyfriend or fiancé, some sources say, and he loved the children like his own. He was their stepdad. They were very close. And now get this. This is the last part of this that's any sort of banter-worthy or funny. So let's dive in. The family called the property Wolf Lodge. And I want to remind you, like, this occurred in 2005. Like, I don't know, it was great Wolf Lodge in existence at that point? I think so. Wow, because I feel like this would be like the lesser Wolf Lodge. You know what I mean? Or the greater Wolf Lodge. I don't know. It's like the slimy pasta end instead of the Pudolin. That's right. It's like, yeah. And so I just, I found that really interesting. I was like,

Wolf Lodge, I feel like people had to have made that joke. They had to have. I don't know. Because that was what they called, like, that's what everyone called the house. Hang on. When did Great Wolf Lodge open? I just discovered it. Oh, you did.

Okay. 97. Okay. So yeah. And like in the area. Well, no. Ohio. Remember when I thought we were in Ohio?

Because you said, you thought I said Ohio. Remember when we both went to Ohio by accident? Remember when I had that dream that we got on a plane to port or I got on a plane to Portland, Maine instead of Portland, Oregon for a tour. Oh, my God. Okay. So in any case, I thought Wolf Lodge was quite a name. And it kind of had this reputation of just being like the fun house on the block. Like it was very social, like open door policy. Reminds me of like how you talked about just like people, neighbors were welcome and like kids would just come in and out and stuff. Yeah, we were the house that there was always someone coming and going. The lesser wolf lodge of your area. We're the pup, the cub lodge or something. I'm so sick of a gimmick, you know? Yeah, I'll tell you, I'll never not be sick of a gimmick.

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includes up to 20 gigabyte hotspot, capable device required. Availability, speed and coverage varies cimetmobile.com. Neighbor Bob, who was stopping by at Wolf Lodge, was there to drop off some cash because 13-year-old Slade had asked to do some chores and had mowed the lawn and he really liked the green kids so he was coming by to bring him his payment but weirdly when he showed up the house was eerily quiet there was the occasional sound of a dog barking but otherwise completely silent and this was very unusual it was a social spot people were almost always in and out um like i said there were just kids and people always running around um bob also noticed

that the back door was a jar, but not like propped open for people to come by, more just like it had been left kind of opened in like a hurried way. And something felt completely wrong. He looked inside and called out, but no one answered. And that's when Bob noticed blood on the floor. There was blood everywhere. He called 911. The sheriff's department said they would send someone to check it out. I want to tell you right now, Bob is a walking soundbite. I don't know. I'm just so delighted that they interviewed this guy of all people because the way he describes anything that's happening is newsworthy in and of itself. So Bob said when he called 911, they said they're sending a deputy to check it out. And Bob said, you better send more than one.

I'm like, okay, Liam Neeson. Sure. Die hard. All right. Seriously. And then in an interview, Bob later said, I butcher lambs, which I'm like, what a wild fucking way to start a sentence, my friend. Yeah, did anyone ask? No.

I think he was saying, I understand where the, what the second son probably was. Yeah, so he basically said, I butcher lambs and I know what real blood looks like. I knew somebody had been murdered there. And it's like, what a fucking sound bite though. Like, what an insane thing for a person who just discovered a crime scene to say like on the, I mean, it's just shocking. It's shocking. Yeah. So he's very quotable.

I'll say that. But yeah, also probably very traumatized because that would be a very. traumatizing event. Especially knowing that children are involved in this. Right. And you know the family. I mean, you're there to pay the kid for mowing your lawn. Like, yeah.

Yeah. Deeply disturbing. So the deputies arrived within minutes. There was blood on the door outside. And with Bob's report, they believed they had cause, due cause to enter without a warrant. And when they did, they saw a shocking amount of blood through the home. It was on the floors, the walls. And then entering the living room, they found three bodies on the floor.

the deputies exited sealed the scene against contamination and called in detectives to begin a homicide investigation soon after Darlene Torres

whose Brenda's mother was just home watching TV and Brenda's the one who lived in the house when she saw Wolf Lodge her daughter's house

on the local news and it was announced by a reporter that three people had been killed so Brenda's mom, Darlene is like obviously

freaking out. Her other daughter, Brandy, is the younger sister Brenda and is trying to remain calm and tells her mom like, hey,

we don't know who was killed. Like, maybe, like, there's still hope, let's wait. We don't know

if it was Brenda or Mark or the kids. But when they called the sheriff's department, they were informed that Brenda, Mark,

and 13-year-old Slade were all dead. The thing that had thankfully been accounted for already by one of the deputy

who knew the family is that there were two other children that lived in the home. Oh, shit. And they were nowhere to be found. So Dylan and Shasta were unaccounted for. Brenda had five children, actually. The three youngest lived in the house with them, who were slayed Dylan and Shasta. Brenda was 40, and she had been divorced from her first husband, Steve, who actually lived with Darlene, like lived in the house with Darlene, his former mother-in-law. investigators hoped that Shasta and Dylan were with family and friends, but it was soon clear that, like, nobody knew where they were.

And hopefully, you know, they had escaped this terrible scene inside, but also that has its own risks because it's like, well, then where are they? Like, are they out in the woods lost? Are they abducted? Like, what could be going on? There was a massive search executed of roughly 400 acres by foot, helicopter, and horseback. Divers searched the creek. but they found no sign of Shasta or Dylan and they launched immediately an Amber Alert. Darlene and Brandy got in the car and drove for miles. I mean, it's just horrible. Like mom and daughter looking for the missing sister

and the two kids, the grandkids. I mean, it's just sick. So they are out searching for any sign of Dylan and Shasta. They keep passing interstate signs displaying the Amber Alert, which is also so surreal. And Darlene could only think over and over again this cannot be happening. Like it's just so surreal.

Back at Wolf Lodge, the FBI had gotten involved and detectives put together what they could. Mark, Brenda, and Slade all appeared to have died of blunt force trauma with multiple visible wounds on their heads. Their body temperatures at time of discovery indicated they were killed within 24 hours of being found. Their ankles and wrists were bound

with zip ties and duct tape and they were all in the same room. Slade was lying with his head at his mother's feet. Yeah, it gets worse. The... It gets worse. Okay. I was going to... Well, okay.

No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just going to traumatize people even further and just say, like, if they're all bound, that means that one of them, watch the other two get to. their heads bashed in. You will be hearing the details of that. Okay. Sorry about that.

Okay. There was no apparent forced entry to the house. So detectives considered they might have known the murderer. And it was like such a specific attack, you know, and like so angry clearly and so vicious. They looked at Steve, of course, the ex-husband who lived with his mother-in-law. Like, could he have been so angry at his ex-ex that he would. like murder her Mark and his own son Slade that was his child and his other two children are now

missing like could he have been involved but even Brenda's family was like no like he loved his children this is not something he would do you're looking at the wrong spot um according to him he was at home at Darlene's using the computer all night when the murders took place so they let him go he went on the news making an appeal to release his children safely he did say however in the press or in the press conference they had nothing to do with any of this which like I don't find particularly concerning but I guess police were like what do you mean any of this sure and he was involved in some motorcycle gangs or had vague affiliations allegedly so you know they thought maybe he got involved in something over his head or whatever

and that's why he said like all of, they weren't involved with any of this. But it didn't really make sense because like there wasn't a ransom and like he hadn't heard from anybody. And so they looked through his computer, confirmed his alibi, and he was ruled out as a suspect

who just wanted to find his kids. Okay. They redirected their focus. And detectives looked at an autopsy report declaring that the murder weapon had used a large hammer to kill Mark, Brenda, and Slade. Jesus.

this. Yeah, it's just brutal. Blood analysis, though, found that the majority of the blood in the house belonged to Slade. None belong to Dylan or Shasta, which is a good sign, right? Like, maybe they're still alive. So they've started putting their faces out there trying to keep their faces active in the minds of people of Cordillane. Meanwhile, the investigators dug into the personal lives of Brenda and Mark, who had known each other for years. And after Brenda, Steve, the two of them started spending time together and fell in love. They both loved the outdoors and were a bit rugged. Like Wolf Lodge itself was a home that her father had been raised in, Brenda's father.

And it was very outdoorsy. Like it lacked a washer dryer. It had a propane stove. So they're kind of like that's just that was their vibe. Sure. But it was a really happy cabin folk. But they really just love being there. Even Slade, the 13 year old was described.

as happy go lucky. He, the older brothers that he had who didn't live with them, he wanted to play music like them. He was sweet. His grandma Darlene described him as perfect. Dylan was a bit shy. Darlene said he was a bashful and cuddly teddy bear. But Shasta, on the other hand, the youngest, who's eight, was unusually tough for her age,

just like her mom. Her family said she liked to dress up as a princess, but at the end of the day was a tomboy who followed her mom around as a little. little assistant at Wolf Lodge. The family was very happy. They had a lot of good friends and community. There wasn't really any animosity that they could find or find a motive. So detectives looked at every option.

Hundreds of tips are coming in about sightings of Dylan and Shasta that are not really leading anywhere. They look into the timeline and on May 15th, the night before the killings, there had been an impromptu barbecue at Wolf Lodge. So some friends had stopped by and then a few more until everyone was gathered to cook and eat together. This wasn't unusual to happen, but detectives use this as a starting point to track down the folks who were there that night. Sure. Okay.

One family friend named Robert Lutner had been there and there were some reports that he'd been in some kind of argument with Mark. And when they told, when they talked to Brenda's older son, Jesse, he informed them that, yeah, their family friend Robert actually owed Mark. and Brenda money. So detectives are like, we better talk to this guy. So they can't find him. He was on parole at the time for a prior conviction. So they're starting to get some red flags. They also learned that he left town the day after the killings to visit family with

approval from his PO. And a frantic search began because they thought maybe he had some answers. They made a public statement requesting leads on his whereabouts and his face was broadcast nationally. And almost immediately, Robert reported back to his parole officer and was like, I was at my aunt's funeral. Like, you know, you know this. I have nothing to do with this whatsoever. I love this family. They're my close friends. And yes, he said, I do owe them $1,000 because they helped me pay to not foreclose on my house. But we did not have an argument about it at the cookout. and there was just no evidence whatsoever.

He like saw himself on the news and that's when he reported himself back to his parole officer being like horrified. I had nothing to do with this. Yeah, exactly. Like what a thing to see on the news. Yeah. I mean, what a bad. Also, Darlene earlier seeing her daughter's house on the news. Like, what the hell?

I know. Yeah. Finding things out on the news feels like something that only happens in movies and so far has happened twice in this story. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Good point. So now they're at a loss. They're like, well, we're losing time to find these kids if they are still alive.

And weeks are passing. And tips keep coming in. They're trying to keep their names and faces out there. On July 2nd, Dylan and Shasta had been missing for nearly seven weeks. And that night, a 911 call came in from a Denny's restaurant. The caller said, I've got a tall man here with a little girl and she looks so much like Shasta. Oh shit. Okay. See something. Say something. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You are on it because although the abductor might have taken Shasta

and Dylan anywhere since they had vanished, the call was made from a Denny's in Cordillane. Mm-hmm. And by the way, as someone who's been to Cordellane, I think it was the Denny's. I don't think it was a Denny's. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's, yeah. Okay, wow. Crazy that he just. So, Cordillane is not that big for them to be hunkering down somewhere, it must have been like in plain sight. Not quite, but I like where your head's at. Okay.

The server, Amber Peace, had suspected something was wrong when a man came in with a young girl that she described as filthy. Her hair was tangled, her skin and clothes were dirty. Like, this was obviously already a problem before she realized the closeness

in resemblance to the missing girl from Cortoline. She went to take the order of the pair and the girl seemed afraid and didn't speak. Amber suggested a milkshake and the girl looked to the man for approval before she answered. It's giving Elizabeth smart vibes to me. 100% like don't make, don't give them any clue as to who you are. Yeah, just or just like he's in charge. I just do what he says. Yeah. Amber is a hero. Went back to the kitchen, told her manager Linda. They realized that this does very much resemble the girl all over the news. So they call 911. one and Amber is noticing the man's looking nervous and agitated and is trying to get out of there. And she returns to the table and stalls. She has to fucking stall like out of a TV show. Good for her. She pretends there's a problem with the billing system.

And she's like, sir, I'm so sorry, but you can't leave without paying the bill. We're really trying to run this. Just give it one more minute. And he's just getting agitated and he's like trying to leave. He stands up. She's like, we're trying. Please, like, please, we insist that you stay. after an agonizing way, officers finally arrive and arrest him on the spot.

And they recognize Shasta, it is her, and she is finally safe. Good. Although, I wonder what was, first of all, what were those seven weeks like? Probably beyond hell. But, I mean, because it's starting to sound very much like Elizabeth Smart, now that I'm thinking more about it, where that she must have done something to have earned his trust to be walking around out in public. Oh, M. It's like we've done almost 500.

hundred of these episodes. That's exactly it. And I didn't even see it coming because I was just like engrossed in the details of the case. But like, you're 100% right. I'm, yeah. Girls, thanks. Girls, their survival, man, it just, it just rocks my world every time. Okay. So Shasta's family's notified, right? They're delighted. They're just beside themselves. but also their hearts sink when they learn Dylan is not with her. And I want to remind you, Shasta is the youngest. She's eight. So the man who'd been arrested with Shasta was a man named Joseph Duncan.

He invoked his rights. He refused to communicate with detectives so they couldn't find out any details about where Dylan might be unless they asked Shasta herself. And meanwhile, she's eight. She's traumatized. And she has to undergo surgery to administer stitches and other care to her injuries. later as an adult she recalled waking up from these surgeries to her father, Steve, standing at her side, looking down at her and they just held each other and wept. I mean, remember, he was even in being interrogated about, or interrogated, but questioned about his daughter's disappearance.

Yeah, and now like she's right here. So soon she was ready to tell her family and detectives exactly what had happened. And this is when you hear a story and you're like, I can't believe even after doing true crime for so long that this shit really happens to people and they survive it. And then they, I mean, it's just unreal. Okay. So her ability to recall and describe the ordeal despite the trauma and her age, et cetera, was remarkable. But some things did remain unclear. she told them where Joseph had taken Dylan and her.

And in later interviews, she actually recalled in detail how she had watched Dylan get killed. But at the hospital, she didn't really seem to remember that he was dead. And she asked her dad if he knew what happened to Dylan, even though she knew, but wasn't, I guess, able to process that yet. Sure. It looks interesting, yeah. It's just I think she hadn't processed it yet. And so we didn't get the details right away. But what we do know or what they did know and got from her that day in the hospital is that the night of her abduction, she was asleep at home in the bedroom she shared with Dylan. Brenda, her mom, had woken her up crying and confused.

Shasta asked if it was time for school. This part makes me sick to my stomach. Brenda told her no that there was someone in the house that didn't want them to be there. Oh my God. The intruder Joseph was wearing a mask, dressed in all black and armed with a shotgun. Oh my God. He forced the entire family to gather, where he bound them with duct tape and zip ties. Shasta remembered thinking that when he began to bind her, she knew that he wasn't a good person.

Joseph carried Shasta and Dylan outside and laid them down beneath a crabapple tree in the yard. the two youngest children told each other they were scared they heard thumping sounds and mark making sounds like he was in pain and then they saw their brother Slade run outside his wrists were still bound but he had somehow gotten his legs free Shasta recalled thinking he looked confused like he didn't know where to go he doesn't

no of course Joseph pursued Slade and attacked him with a head hammer until he seemed to lose consciousness. Joseph cut the ties from Dylan and Shasta and made them stand up and walk to his vehicle, which was a stolen rental jeep. As she passed, Shasta looked her older brother Slade in the eyes and he looked back at her, just staring, and Shasta felt as though he died in that moment looking at her as how she

described it. Oh my God. But because he was later recovered in the house beside his mother at her feet, investigators believe he must have somehow gotten up one more time and gone back inside which would also... Yes. Into the back door which is where

the original neighbor saw the blood all over the outside of the door which explains how it got there. It's just so deeply disturbing. Just as everyone had feared Joseph got away with Dylan and Shasta in tow transporting them nearly 100 miles to an isolated

campground speaking of horror movies. Joseph told them they were in low-low forest, which is a 2.3 million acre land area in the rocky mountains of Montana. Oh, wow. Okay. He told Dylan and Shasta, this is where a lot of this stuff gets really detailed and disturbing. So tread with caution here, folks. He told Dylan and Shasta that they had to call him Daddy, Dad, or Jet. He said the name Jet was the name he had been given by his prison husband. Yeah. Joseph shot a hole in a tree to demonstrate the gun's power and told the children that he would do the same to them if they tried to escape.

And then for weeks he proceeded to, as you can imagine, do the worst, most despicable things to these children. Rape, torture. He would leave to pick up food or other supplies and he would chain them up separately so that they couldn't reach each other. Shasta told Dylan that she promised she would get them both home alive, and she asked him if he believed her, and he said that he did. One day, Joseph pointed out a squirrel that regularly wandered into their camp. This part is hard, okay? He told Dylan and Shasta that if they caught the squirrel, they could go home. Dylan managed to catch it, and Joseph pretended to start packing as if he would really take them home. But while Shasta and Dylan were standing side by side holding hands preparing to go home,

Joseph shot Dylan without warning twice. Shasta said later she couldn't scream or react in any way when Dylan died beside her. Joseph made her gather up Dylan's belongings like some toys they had taken from the house into a tarp, which they then burned. And it's no wonder that she got to the hospital later and said, I don't know what happened to Dylan. because just total shock how could you even begin to know yeah and so that was just like a sick little game he was playing where like if one of them catches a squirrel that'll be the one I kill yep yeah and like them holding hands and thinking they get to go home I mean all of it it's extremely sick and the fact that

she still had guilt afterward about like not bringing him home you know because she promised him she would bring him home like it's just all Joseph made her uh gather up the stuff and they burn the tarp. He then asked her whether she would rather be shot or strangled to death. She told him she would rather be strangled, not solely because she was terrified to experience what she had just seen happen to her brother, but because she also somehow felt being strangled would give her an opportunity to negotiate. So like to fight back, I guess.

Joseph started to strangle her with a rope and Shasta said, please don't jet. he stopped and started to cry. He told Shasta that when she called him Jet, he realized she must genuinely care about him. And that's when she realized what she needed to do to survive. And it was pretend to care and love this man. This is like a trauma bond. I know like we've used the word trauma bond incorrectly in the past,

but like this trauma captor, or like victim captor thing or victim abuser thing is, yeah. So whenever he referenced taking her home, she would tell him that she didn't want to go home. She wanted to stay with him, like against every cell in her being, you know? Wow. Shasta saw that each time she pretended to like Joseph,

it would catch him off guard and make him happy. So he began to trust her and would subject her to stories about himself, the crimes he had committed against other children, and she was realizing like he would be was trusting her one day he asked shasta if she would stay with him forever and be his daughter in earnest and she told him of course she would he was so happy and told shasta they would go back to his hometown so she could meet his mom and siblings that's the ability to think that he could get away with i mean it's just the confidence narcissism thing again that we always talk about but like it's also like some extreme mental illness to say like an eight year old you're gonna I mean well yeah but I mean like the I'm I'm saying specifically the boldness of thinking you can now yeah bring a very like very popular missing child to other eight year old child and say this is my daughter yeah yeah and they're gonna be like what the fuck are you talking about totally totally um yeah 100% like like so out of the realm of

any sort of logic, you know, that you think you could just do that. So she said, yeah, I would love that. He said we'd get our own home and be a family. And, you know, he's sexually assaulting this girl. Remember, like this is, I haven't forgotten. Yeah. Shasta pretended to be excited for their future, but she said, oh, I would really love to show you my hometown of Cordellane. She lied to him and said she wanted to show him things from her life, like her school and her best friend's house so he could get to know her better. And he fell for it, hook line, and sinker. Plus, Cordillane was on the route to his own home, so he agreed. And shortly thereafter, they were spotted in a Denny's in Cordelaine where Shasta was rescued. That's how she got freed. A few days after that, Dylan's

remains were recovered in Lolo National Forest. They were able to pin down her. who this Joseph Duncan was. He was an active fugitive having fled Minnesota to avoid being charged for sexually assaulting children in a park. Yep, that makes sense. Yep. There we go. His incarceration history went back to his teenage years in Washington State, beginning in 1980 when he was 17 years old, and sentenced to 20 years in prison for raping a 14-year-old boy. In the following years, he was paroled multiple times, but repeatedly violated parole and was reincarcerated, but finally released in 2000, moving to Fargo, North Dakota, where he studied computer science at a local college. But in 2004, he crossed the border into Minnesota, where he stalked and assaulted children

in a park who then identified him. He was granted bail that a friend posted for him, and he fled. While fleeing, he attacked the Green family. This was within four months of fleeing this bail. Yeah. Fearing he might have hurt more people. detectives got a warrant for the GPS system Joseph was using in the stolen Jeep. And wouldn't you know it, there were 33 waypoints on his route from Minnesota to

Cortalane and each waypoint marked a potential victim he was considering. Holy shit. He plugged them into the fucking GPS. That's, I mean, absolute monster. Yeah. So this is why he said he did it. He said he resented that he had to report as a sex offender where, wherever he moved and that when a child went missing or a similar case was open that he was the one

visited by law enforcement. And I'm like, well, I wonder who's fucking fault that is, you fucking perfor. What the fuck are you talking about? Again, that stupid narcissism of like, how are you a victim in this? How does your brain fucking do that? The gymnastics alone. Yeah, it's crazy. And he said that he knew he'd go back to prison. Well, he claimed that this was, um, these crimes were committed in revoke. revenge against the system for incarcerating him. And with the most recent charge of assaulting the kids in the park, he knew he would go back to prison. So he said he wanted to do something big before he went back to prison.

And that's why he was looking for children to take. So he like knew this was his grand finale. Yes. Yuck. I mean. Fucking gross. And then he was putting potentials in the map. He was like, this is so fucked up.

But like he was like, it sounds like he. he was thinking like a buffet of children before. Like a bucket list. It's so disturbing. Yes, a list. Yeah. Oh, my God. And then he said he felt entitled to hurting someone else.

So he would stalk these families looking for an ideal situation. Felt entitled to hurting them is like, yeah. There's no ration. You can't make. No, no, no. So he stopped at all these waypoints, but at each stop, he felt that it wasn't right. because something about the plan wasn't working the way it was supposed to. He'd finally actually given up when he passed Wolf Lodge

and saw two kids, turned out to be Dylan and Shasta, playing in the front yard. And he said, those are my ideal situation. Yuck. Yuck. He staked out the house for days. It was pretty rural, far from the nearest neighbor with the interstate as a very quick escape route. And in his eyes, the home and family were perfect. And he was like, great, found it.

So Shasta continued to share information with detectives about Joseph. And she also reported on details of other crimes Joseph had described to her because he confided in her. Idiot. An eight-year-old. Detectives worked with FBI major crimes against children unit, which believed the crimes description matched details from the 1997 murder of 10-year-old Anthony Martinez. on April 4th, 1997, Tony was playing outside with friends and his younger brother Marcos

in Beaumont, California. Marcos was in kindergarten and Tony was in fourth grade. According to an adult interview with Marcos, a man approached them and said he needed help finding his lost cat. He showed them a photo and offered them each a dollar

for helping him search. The boys followed him into a nearby alley where, of course, there was no cat. And when the boys were ready to give up, the man who turns out to be Joseph Duncan brandished a knife and Marcos knew he was in danger. Joseph reached for Marcos, the younger brother, trying to grab him, but Tony, the fourth grader, put himself in between them, protected his little brother. Joseph threw Tony into a vehicle and sped off and left Marcos there.

Rescued, basically. he basically like took the bullet for his younger brother it's just it's just something else a massive search effort was launched to find tony tony and marcos's mother diana reed recalled it's just chaos chaos in your head everywhere you look is chaos 15 days later a ranger noticed unusual vulture activity in a canyon 60 miles outside of beaumont and following the vultures discovered tony's remains but tony's family were left with no answers for eight years until detected had Joseph in custody now for the green murders and abduction. When detectives visited Joseph, he said, I bet you're here about Martinez. And they were like, sure are. Joseph told them that Tony was not the first child he abducted and murdered.

The year before, he had also taken 11-year-old Sammy Joe White and her half-sister, nine-year-old Carmen J. Cubius. The girls lived with their mother, Margaret Delaney, and other siblings. at Crest Motel in Seattle, Washington, where they spent their days playing outside, listening to music, making up games together. On the evening of July 6, 1996, they went across the street to Taco Time,

a local restaurant, but they were gone longer than they were supposed to be, and their teenage brother had to go searching for them for several hours before their mother called the police. But there was no enormous search for Sammy Joe or Carmen by authorities because the family was native. They were living in unstable housing. in a neighborhood that was looked down upon

poverty, drugs, sex work. They lived in this motel. And police said, oh, they're probably runaways. Great. Okay. Tail was oldest time. Yeah. Actually, in a lot of the coverage of this case,

they don't even get mentioned. Oh. And it's like he literally killed these two children, but okay. That's great. Super. So there is no way these were runaways, but of course nobody really wanted to believe that. they were only nine, 11 years old.

They were obviously in danger. Two years later in 1998, a man staying on an abandoned property in Bothal, Washington, discovered the girl's skeletal remains, so it was known that they were dead, but it was not known what had happened to them. Sammy Joe's grandmother told the Seattle Times, the unknowing was the hardest. Were they tortured? Were they treated right? There's no clues, no nothing.

They don't know who did it, like, you know, until eight years later. Investigators named no suspects or persons of interest. the case grew cold and people often comment that yeah they've been left out of documentaries and reports about Joseph Duncan even though all his other crimes are included so that's just extra disturbing somehow

and so no not well to also have wondered for years and years and years if your kids were tortured and then you find out that they are and you're still being and it's not even being given attention totally like you're not even being like validated in that

yeah yeah 100%. Reports that cover Joseph's trial often detail statements made by other parents, but statements made about Carmen and Sammy Joe are like vague and non-existent. In October of 2006, Joseph Duncan pleaded guilty to the murders of Brenda, Mark, and Slade. He dismissed his attorneys and represented himself. So you were really on. You were onto it. You were onto it so hard.

I should have just been like, yeah, go off because I don't think I realized how obvious it became. But yeah. The second that I, the second that he was. was trusting an eight-year-old because she was somehow able to feed his ego was enough for me. True. Because she figured out how to like, his fucking fragile ego. Totally 100%. Totally. Yeah, good point. So he dismissed his attorneys, represented himself, also pleaded guilty to federal kidnapping charges. Prosecutors sought the death penalty, but based on his pleas he would serve at least life in prison. He, he argued that like, oh, it's only proved that I'm dangerous to children, but not like whether he's just, let's just say his

defense didn't go very well. Your honor, you don't get it. Yeah. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Your honor, I'm only half a monster because half the people have to be worried about me. Don't you understand? But prosecutors argued that his past crimes demonstrated a pattern of violence against children that would not end and he might perpetuate this. And let's not forget the like, yes, he's only sexually attacking children, but he also has physically killed all ages. Of every, exactly. So like, what do you mean? Indiscriminately.

Like, everyone's unsafe around you. What's the problem? Exactly. On, yes, amen. On August 27, 2008, a jury sentenced Joseph Duncan to three death sentences for Dylan's murder. He was never charged for the abduction and murder of Carmen and Sammy Joe. But in 2011, he pled guilty in California to the murder of 10-year-old. Tony Martinez and received two life sentences for that.

At a memorial ceremony, 20 years after Tony's death, his mother, Diana, remembered how supported they were by their community when Tony went missing, which I think is something that's often missing in these cases when it's like families feel like totally stranded and clueless and like the authorities can only say so much. And that's when like you need that community. But I think so many times that's missing in these cases. So in March of 2021, Joseph died in prison of cancer. Tony Martinez's mother said the sun is brighter today and my soul is lighter. Shasta made a written statement which said, for so long, I've been struggling with hate towards that man.

Today I woke up feeling like my soul was finally free. I hope other people affected by Joseph Duncan were able to wake up feeling the same way. But Shasta did struggle afterwards as does. anyone would she was getting so much attention she would go to the grocery store and people would stop her and be like oh my god are you Shasta like what happened

you know and it's like what the fuck even the nicest of intentions of like oh thank God you're safe now is like your brother's in a better place it's like fuck you you know she heard it all and by saying even you know we're so glad we found you

you are reminding her that she was once missing and then the whole story all over again. And also she got herself found, you know. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally. So this gets worse. The therapist that she was seeing that she really liked and trusted was caught telling people about Shasta's appointments and the things she was sharing in therapy.

Fucking jail time. No shit. No shit. Fucking jail. Holy shit. After that, Shasta had to see a new counselor and she just got really sick of just talking about this every week and she just wanted to be like normal. Right. And she began to struggle with substance use disorder. She wanted to feel like a different person. And also how do you trust that other therapist? How could you trust any therapist at this point? Totally. She said when everyone else gave up on her, her father was the only one who stood by her side. And she called him her hero through all of her struggles. She did eventually receive the support she needed to become sober and start recovering during a stay in a juvenile corrections program. And then when she became pregnant with her first son, she decided to make a change and build.

a stable, happy life for herself and her baby. She was married in 2018 and said she was finally moving forward with her life, but she still has photos of Slade of her mother and Mark hanging up at home. But she tells her sons that they had an uncle and grandparents who aren't alive anymore, but are in heaven. She said that one of her sons, Lorenzo, reminds her of Dylan. She said, Dylan was a gentle soul. He was my best friend.

Lorenzo has the same habits my brother had, like playing with my hair. So that fucked me up majorly this week. You could say that's why you drink. I mean, that's fucking dark and bad. That's a given. Yeah, that's a given. The crime is always why I drink in every episode. Yeah, that one was a doozy.

That one was like, I mean, it just kept getting worse, you know, so. Yeah. Well, wow. I don't know what to say. But you really, I know I said it earlier, but talk about a heavy hitter. Mm-hmm. It was a heavy hitter. And for those who stayed, thank you for listening all the way through.

I was supposed to prepare something, a gentle landing for us, and I forgot. You were supposed to prepare a gentle landing. What do you mean? Well, remember I said we should have something to, like, distract us by the end. And you have your coffee. I just have water. I don't have anything exciting. Do you have, like, any exciting news?

Any, like, fun facts in your life? I would do the gentle landing, but I feel like I really upstaged you earlier quite a lot. I'm literally just lying in my bed. I got nothing to upstage you with. So you might as well upstage me. No, I don't really have anything going on. Leona has picture day. Cute.

What's the alpha going to be? So that's exciting. She has this like retro mat. My mother-in-law, Sherry bought her this like retro mod. Like it's so cute. It's like bell bottoms and it's like striped like vertically. it's from like old navy but it's like precious it's so fashionable in like this way where it's so funny to see a four year old like feeling herself in her outfit um so yeah it's very cute

very cute what's she into these days purple glitter unicorns me too yeah yeah all the things where i was like we're gonna be so gender neutral and she's like sparkly rainbow unicorns and i'm like wow it really just you just don't know no you just never know. I salute you for trying with the neutrality. I sure tried with the green and she's like, um, actually iridescent purple only. And I'm like, got it. Meanwhile, earlier, remember I showed you that, that picture of the, um, the onesie that I bought? Oh, yes. Not for myself for my maybe future kid. Yeah. Um, I was, because it's like neon green and neon pink and everything. And my first thought was like, if I have a son, he'd look fly a shit unless.

Hell yeah. Who knows? If I have a daughter, she'd look fly a shit in it too. I mean, seriously, it's like, that's kick ass. Thrifted? But my first thought, of course, I'm constantly having to unpack. I was like, oh, it's pink. And I was like, well, anyone can obviously wear that.

And I was like, they would both look so sick. It was, um, but Everly was such an impulse purchase. And, but I, uh, was like, this is, anything's gender neutral if you just believe in it, hard enough. Well, exactly. So now I'm like, let's fucking go. Did you think, um, Leona will at all have like a tomboy phase or she's currently showing signs of just being

Miss. No, I think she's going to swing really. No, I think she's going to swing really hard also in the other direction. Only because when she, like, I think this was a really hard swing when she started preschool because she's like, oh, other girls and other like kids. And, you know, she's like, I love those things. And I think there's always inevitably the swing back of like, I don't like pink anymore, you know. I just feel like that's inevitable.

I wonder what's going to be uncool. when she is like in high school. I'm just like riding the waves of like what's cool today. You know, it's so funny. So yeah, it's kind of delightful to watch. Precious. Yeah. Well, next time you see me, I might be in L.A. I never know anymore. I can't wait for whatever art is behind you at the next hotel.

Me too. Every, every hotel's different. This is a, the horses are not my cup of tea usually. But yeah, we'll see what's next. so. Boy, oh, boy. All right. Well, I guess we'll see wherever you end up next. You as well.

Maybe the couch. No, don't go too far. Geez. That's a whole floor. Oh my God. You should do a show one day, at least in your basement, the spooky, spooky basement.

I mean, it'd probably just be me swatting at mosquitoes the whole time. Also, I'm asking you publicly in last minute, so you don't have to have a suggestion. But do you have a suggestion for 500 for the topic? I actually came up with something already for you that I had to brainstorm for a while because I was like, anyway.

So, but I don't, but I haven't even thought the other way around. No. I know that's not helpful. I'll figure out, I guess. Well, I can think about it. I haven't thought about it. I don't. I can brainstorm it.

you want. No, it's, I mean, I was, because I, uh, other people have also written in their suggestions, which is really helpful. Okay, that's good. What about like, yeah, uh, hmm. Well, I wanted to do like Cowboys today and then it ends up not happening. So I feel like, I feel like I owe you a good one. And in two episodes from now, there's a good reason to have a good one.

That feels like it could be really fun. A cowboy ghost. One day I'll find him again. He's so elusive and mysterious. He just walks into the sunset. Why do you think? Why do you think I'm just yearning for them, you know? Okay, well, we'll see you all next time.

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