And That's Why We Drink - E62 The Musical History Algebra Podcast and Emvis Returns

Episode Date: April 8, 2018

Hamilton fans, rejoice! Em covers the Morris-Jumel Mansion, which, aside from influencing the hit broadway musical that neither of us have seen, also includes several ghosts, such as a girl who barks in the walls, a soldier who climbs out of paintings, and a shadow that pinches and growls at you. Meanwhile, Christine discusses the disappearance and murder of Barbara and Patricia Grimes, a case that is still open to this day, despite the interrogation of a steamfitter, whatever that is, and a drunken psychic. (Also, get ready to turn down the volume, because this episode has more singing than is appropriate.)Visit www.tryfirstleaf.com/drink to get your introductory three-pack of wines for only $15! Burrow makes the luxury couch, for real life! For $75 off your order, visit Burrow.com/DRINKHavenly - Get 25% off your design package by visiting havenly.com/drink!

Hey. Hey. Are you recording? Yeah, sometimes I just hit go because I'm like, I'm going to start an impassioned speech and then forget to press record as we know I'm... Is any of that going in the show? No, definitely not. Oh, okay. Guys, I was just bitching about, not bitching about, I was just like impassionately speaking about my wedding. And how expensive it is? It's so expensive. I haven't even told Christine yet uh i charge for my services when i when i marry you and blaze good because i put zero dollars in the budget i got excited for a second i was like what you do i felt i felt hey listen i'm fucking paying for what what do i pay for when you're like a pizza a bride's dude i pay for your meal at the wedding and the rehearsal dinner yes okay so there okay that's not equivalent but anyway blaze and i picked our song today well that's great what is it i don't know i feel a little weird saying it because i cried about it earlier okay are you gonna cry because your eyes

are wet no i'm just gonna gaze in the distance it looks like your face is raining no i'm just say it what is it it's dream a little dream of me by the mamas and the papas that's awesome that's a great song are you good you're crying no i'm not okay okay listen that's just what you look like now then okay well good anyway how are you i actually calm down i uh actually listened to that song on the way here, which is very weird. You're full of shit. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Because that song actually, my gammy used to sing that to me when I would stay the night and she would like tuck me in. Can you prove that to me about that you listened to it on the way here? Because I'm gonna freak out.

Because I'm going to freak out. Okay, I made Em go get their phone. And we're going to see what there is to see. Sorry, I ended on Across the Universe. And there was also Sister Act involved. Can't take my eyes off you, Frankie Valli. Mama Cass, dream a little dream of me. Shut the front door. Because I listened to Can't Take My Eyes Off You first. And then Dream a Little Dream of Me. Shut the front door because I listened to Can't Take My Eyes Off You

first and then Dream a Little Dream of Me. I'm not kidding. No way. That's wild. Em, what's happening? Did you also listen to Do You Hear the People Sing by Les Mis? Because I did. I actually listened to This Ain't a Scene. It's an Arms Race by Fall Out Boy. But, you know, same difference. I also listened to Queen and Dan Stevens' Evermore from Beauty and the Beast. And that's pretty fucking weird. So probably while you were listening to that, Blaze and I were crying about it. Oh, good. I'm glad.

Look, I'm really good at being involved in your love life. I mean, basically, you've been involved for a long time and now you're marrying us. So that's how that goes. Also, I had another moment with you that you don't know about, which is also, that makes me feel really weird, which is also the positive reason why I drink this week. Tell me. Because about two days ago, I officially started taking anti-anxiety medication. Fuck yeah.

about two days ago, I officially started taking anti-anxiety medication. Fuck yeah! And on the way there, I was saying a little prayer to the spirits or whoever everyone chooses to believe in individually. And I was like, I don't know, like, I really need this to work. Like, I need to know that this is going to like, like, what if I find out that it doesn't work and then it's too late for me to like switch it out before I go on stage and like right you know I mean like what if it's the wrong medication and I find out too late and it doesn't actually seep in yet totally and I was like I just need like a sign that like everything

is gonna go okay and I was saying it at a red light and I looked over because I heard a dog bark and it was next to a mailbox that said 2249 no no which is both of our lucky numbers wait are you serious yeah I tried to take a picture of it for you but my phone's doing this thing now where it just dies every time I try to use it 2249 you're kidding me yeah our lucky numbers wow holy shit yes guys don't you love just being a part of this weird like world we have friendship like celebration we have every week um that's amazing but do they work did you get i mean i've only i got lexapro and i got propranolol i like propranolol i've never tried lexapro um i don't notice anything with the lexapro yet but it takes a while yeah it's been two days and i was also told that i

was supposed to be really drowsy but nothing's happened yet i mean it takes like at least a week or 10 days to kick in okay so keep taking it because i know people have like gone off it and oh no i whoa is it still recording is it still recording yeah what was that oh my god you guys what the hell all the lights just turned off at the same time including you know what the creepy part about that was that was the creepiest part my laptop screen also went dark and came back on and it's not plugged in or anything so did mine and my now my neck it's like covered in goosebumps because it didn't occur to me until you said that that the whole room went black. Like the whole room, including things that weren't plugged in.

Including my laptop. It went like, that's why I asked if it was still recording because it went black and then popped back up with the rest of the fucking lights. What the hell? Did we just catch a ghost on here? I don't know. I'm sweating. I'm sweating too. That, it was really literally like, if you have an an apple laptop you know how like after a while

like they fade and get darker and then turn off black after 10 minutes it's like they both went black at the same time that every other light in this room went off and we have a two lamps on i mean the whole thing went black including our screens that scared the crap out of me dude okay so basically take your anti-depression okay yeah i feel like that was a sign if not anything else oh my god you're like seriously take take your medication or else and then everything went black oh my god okay here's the thing i googled us this week which this is why i googled us too oh good did you find that reddit post no okay well i googled us today and i found this

reddit post that's like some podcast bitch and bitch about uh like their day and no one want no one gives a crap blah blah i'm looking at you and that's why we drank podcasts and it really hurt my feelings then i was like why are my feelings hurt about a reddit post but it hurt my feelings and then i find us screaming into a microphone about how the power goes out but you know what whatever well also you know what that guy can go fuck himself whatever that's how we like to live our lives you don't like to hear us complain you know what we're not the only podcast in the world go listen something else um anyway so this episode is dedicated to chloe chloe you're welcome for giving you a haunted episode anyway chloe thanks after a reddit guy bothered

us you're welcome is that baby g crying he doesn't like when the the fire alarm makes a beep noise hold on is that a sweet baboo is that a happy handsome bear is that a happy handsome bug hi sweet baboo my baby baby oh man is that a baby g so anyway chloe you're welcome for this haunted episode that is dedicated to you yay what do you want to say to chloe who's been a donor for like five months now a 25 donor what do i want to say make it special stay in school unless you already graduated then also stay in school because then also stay in school the real world is not as fun don't do drugs um thanks chloe i also want to add that last week we talked about erin and erin let me know that erin is a woman not a man even though we called her a man the whole time sorry we misgendered you I'm very sorry I misgendered you also a lot of people were

really upset and are still really upset because episode 61 got fucked up on Spotify and all that and Spotify and Spotify I have been emailing with them for about four days now back and forth and back and forth trying my darndest and it's still not fixed i'm really sorry but on every other platform besides spotify it is fixed it was not an april fool's joke that i cut out right as i started my story but go listen to the rest because my story was really good it was about the tea cakes remember i do remember the tea cakes so good it was so fun and so i want you guys to maybe it was karma maybe for falling asleep during mine squirrels and tea cakes go listen to the rest of it it's not supposedly it's going to be fixed on

spotify by this weekend if not it's on itunes audio boom uh stitcher google play i heard radio iHeartRadio. Beep boop bop. Oh, also, we found out the official time of our CrimeCon show. Yes. Friday, 2.15, Nashville, Tennessee, May 4th. Hmm. I wish my propranolol was not downstairs. We could give it a whirl. Use our code ATWWD. It's still time to get your weekend badge. you'll get to come meet us give us a big hug get a surprise gift from us if you have already used our code please email us so we can mail your gift to you that's about all i have cool but we really want you to come to nashville and also if you're going if you're in nashville and you don't you're not going to crime con or if you're

in the area and you are going whatever if you're you're just around there, May 4th through 6th, come to our meetup on Saturday, May 5th, which is by the way, Cinco de Mayo. Hey, hey, we're going to be at a bar. Well, I'll be carrying Christine out of said bar. Renata will be there. Linda will be there. I'm going to be carrying so many people. Em's going to be fireman carrying everyone out of the bar.

I'll just bring a wagon and be like a drunk tank for you guys a wagon and we'll be pulling a wagon but seriously we're gonna be in nashville on may 5th uh at 8 p.m and we don't know where yet but jess our lovely mod has set up a facebook event so go to our facebook group and you'll see the event you can join so that she can pick the right venue for however many people are coming also we um still i mean it's by the time you hear this it might not be the case but we do still have some tickets out for our june 17th show um at the hollywood improv theater um right now i think we have about 30 left yep and you this is being recorded like three days before you're gonna hear it if you listen on sunday so i don't know but chances are there might be a couple left go get them we want to meet go get them we want to drink with you yeah renata will be there too she's always there i'll

have my pill cutter and uh you guys can watch me get as sloppy as the rest of you oh so fun so fun for us all so fun for us all and guys before we get a million emails about me like making jokes about taking too much propranolol that's not the case we're not joking i'm being oh no i mean like this isn't like a big joke right it's not a big joke i'm very aware of people who are not so lucky and being able to you have prescriptions and all that good stuff I am being very cautious it's been a journey to figure out how to manage your anxiety yes and you're you're figuring out I'm very excited about my anti-anxiety medications please don't take that

from me I have wanted them for so long don't take that please don't please don't make me feel bad about it listen it took me about six years to figure out and now you're starting your journey and I'm so proud of you and I'm happy for you that means in six years to figure out. And now you're starting your journey. And I'm so proud of you. And I'm happy for you. That means in six years when we're doing live shows, maybe I'll actually be comfortable. No, because I feel like I'm... Christine has given me a lot of advice. I just want to help you. And I feel like no one really was there to help me.

So I feel like I kind of just blindly went along until I figured it out. So I hope at least our listeners and I, like a lot of people have been writing in with tips and tricks. Yes, a lot of people have been writing in with tips and yes a lot of people have emailed me and a lot of people have emailed me kind words being super supportive saying that they don't care if I mess up they just want to like see me which is actually very very helpful because I think a lot of my anxiety comes from like we've never met you guys it's really important to us that we meet you it is and also like we don't ever hear your reactions like the fact that you guys say you laugh like we've never actually heard anyone laugh

we don't believe you so like i really don't think i'm funny i think you all are just really nice we're like that girlfriend who's like you love me i don't believe you exactly and so now i'm about to go on stage with several of you there and it's going to scare me if you laugh because I've never heard anyone laugh and it's going to scare me if you don't laugh because even if that's what I'm used to this is the one time that like is not okay I don't want to disappoint anyone so it helps a lot that I've gotten a lot of emails being like you could honestly fall asleep on stage and I won't care I just want to be in a room with you I assume that was directed at me about last week's episode but but we can pretend it was directed at me. No, everyone's just been very kind and supportive.

Because that's what they are. They're all so wonderful. If you guys see me have a nosebleed and pass out, just clap and I'll wake up. Oh, I'll have fun with it. It's like, I need you guys to be like the little children and I'll be Tinkerbell and you have to clap so you believe in me and then I'll wake up from the dead. Is that a thing? Yeah.

What the hell? Tinkerbell dies and you have to clap to show you believe in me and then I'll wake up from the dead. Is that a thing? Yeah. What the hell? Tinkerbell dies and you have to clap to show you believe in fairies. What do you mean? Who has to clap? What are you talking about? Did you ever like pay attention to the Peter Pan? That, no.

There was a dog in the beginning. Her name was Nana. Yeah, and I thought that was weird. No, Tinkerbell goes kaput and then you have to clap. Who's you you like the audience what audience if you're watching a movie peter pan was like a play too well i didn't you have to clap like to to revive a fairy you clap to show you believe

she needs a lot of fucking attention if that's the case okay well so do i okay noted got it whatever if you believe in me clap actually maybe don't it'll scare me we're just gonna bring em on the stage on the ground you have with my gravity blanket in a pillow fort with a plunger yes we're probably just gonna reenact an entire show for you and well let's start off too let's say it now let's just start the show the live show with us doing like a 10 minute throat clear like we do in real life anyway just go and then be going i need a blanket also i'm out of wine also and can you get the other box wine let me text blaze to bring up some wine um alexander's telling us to be quiet because he's going to bed also blaze just literally just texted me don't be alarmed i'm printing to the printer from downstairs that apparently means this printer next to your face is going to start printing and i'm glad he warned us because we just got a creepy

robert the doll and we and then the lights went out and the lights went out we put it by the printer and if the printer just started printing imagine if it printed robert did it what if he printed robert did it then you need to marry him today because that is the funniest shit i've ever seen and i'll do it i'll marry you it's taxes is he for your fucking printing to our printer while we're recording and saying don't be alarmed they're your oh sally may also we're planning on trips to other cities by the way yeah um come on it's a vacation look at it that way where everyone's gonna stare at me and i have to perform and everyone keeps yelling like come here come there and we want to go and people clap and say i believe in paris uh everybody's like where are you going tell me uh we don't really

know but we do know that our touring our booking agent is working on it and he's trying to get us to other cities so hopefully we will be with you soon if everybody buys these la tickets okay anyway so tell me a story okay i'm gonna tell you a story but then you're gonna tell me a better one because i'm disappointed in this one what do you mean i was first of all don't ever go to a live show and say by the way i'm disappointed with the thing i'm about to tell you just a first step it's funny you think i'll even remember how to speak um so this one i anyway let's just let's just you you become your own judge at this point well i usually am okay go ahead well here's the the reason i'm disappointed it's not like the story's ruined or anything but

i heard a rumor that something really juicy happened like this was like something really specific happened in the story and then i couldn't find anything about it so i was like well what the fuck where did you hear the rumor um someone recommended it at work well they're an asshole i know but then i did all this research and i was like i'm gonna find it i'm gonna find it and then i couldn't find it so it ended up being a different story than i was hoping for but it's still a good one i'm sure it's still good i i believe in you. Clap then. I will not participate in this weird Tinkerbell thing you made up.

Okay. Everyone's going to be like, Em didn't make it up, Christine. But listen. Or maybe I dreamt it and I really did make it up and everyone is confused. Oh, that's just the worst.

I think either way, everyone is confused. Okay, go on. Either way, we're going to get a million emails. That's true. I hate that I did that to us. That's just the worst. I think either way everyone is confused. Okay, go on. Either way, we're going to get a million emails. That's true. I hate that I did that to us. That's true.

Okay, so this is known as the Morris Jumel Mansion. What the fuck is that? It is in Manhattan. Oh. Oh. That's fancy. It is Manhattan's oldest house. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay. All right. oh that's fancy um it is manhattan's oldest house really okay all right it was built in 1765 so you know only like nine years after america oh i'm sorry nine before america i was gonna say

that's incorrect but okay and also not nine eleven you know what before this you couldn't even count to two i watched you struggle counting to two about 20 minutes ago so first of all it was counting to three second he did it wrong this is called welcome to algebra a podcast with emma christine welcome to addition simple addition we know how to add digits okay go on okay anyway this house is older than america built in 1765 okay by a british army officer named roger morris that is nine years oh no you said 11 okay go on we are the same we are sorry and uh so it was built by a british army officer as a wedding present for his wife. So that's kind.

Did Blaze build this house for you? He sometimes picks up Gio's poop in the backyard. Okay. So same difference? No. Okay. So when Morris ended up fleeing America with his wife because the Revolutionary War was about to start. He ditched the house that he built, which had to be crushing.

Well, so they probably had just gotten here too, right? I would imagine so. So then they were like, okay, bye. The house was confiscated by the commissioners of forfeiture, which I know all about them. Yep. Sounds like a real league. You know, they have badges. It sounds like actually real league you know they have badges it sounds like like

actually a pretty cool team yeah i feel like it's like west side story mixed with like the fbi i guess if it were a sports team though you don't want to put forfeit in your name that's true whoops that's such a good point um so anyway in 1776 that is the year of america i'm pretty sure america is zero the birth of a nation oh man oh my remember that movie i don't want to ever want to so in 1776 george washington uh set up his headquarters at this house oh because it was empty well that's fancy why not um and he picked that spot because it was the highest point in manhattan um like physically like it was physically the highest so he could like look down and like have a full view of like the grounds got it um

like you can basically it like it just allowed him to be able to see all the movements of the british forces okay um you can actually still go up to the second floor and see the view from his war room oh shit that's cool and like see the view for yourself and you can actually check out the secret passageway that connects the war room to the rest of the home also how come i don't have a war room in my house i mean m i feel like that's something you have to create for yourself also i've already told allison one of my red flags when we started dating was that if we ever moved in together our permanent home needs to have at least two secret passageways well sure and luckily for me uh her whole family's full of architects so looks like

i'm getting those secret passageways that is a good point okay they can build whatever the fuck you want as long as they like me yes so in 1790 george washington who is now president uh held his first cabinet meeting in this mansion wow and john and abigail adams were there thomas jefferson was there alexander hamilton was there james madison was there it was a big a big father fest. It was a big to-do. And the, like, quote, cabinet battle that happened in the second act of Hamilton, fun fact, was in that house. Oh, not that I've seen Hamilton, but oh! And actually, the guy that wrote Hamilton, Lin-Manuel Miranda.

Yeah, well, he wrote it? He wrote Hamiltonmanuel miranda yeah well he wrote it he wrote hamilton i didn't know he wrote it that's how he got so famous i thought he was the star i didn't know no he like he that's like quite a history like he wanted that so bad like people made fun of him for years being like i'm gonna do a historical i'm so ignorant god okay i'm just saying it because otherwise a million people are gonna say something. No, I just assumed that he was like starring in it. I didn't know he had such a... No, he studied like history and like had a really big passion for it and he kept saying

like I'm gonna do this and everyone was like... Wow. No, you're not. And it took him years and then it became like this huge hit. That's incredible. That's... It's like a big success story. Yeah, I really had no idea idea that's why he's like so big now i had no idea so he that's why he also writes like songs for like moana and shit now because like because he

talented wrote all the songs right so um he so he actually got inspiration for that part of the hamilton act okay there there that act in hamilton that scene in hamilton fuck me i'm not a theater person but i mean i'm sure in the cabinet battle part of hamilton he actually wrote the lyrics for that while getting inspiration by being in the house that it happened so he actually has visited the morris jumble mansion and in the room where the cabinet battle supposedly took place. He wrote the lyrics for it in that room. Holy shit.

Fun fact. That's really, wow. So by the 1800s, the mansion had also become a popular tavern called Calumet Hall. That's fun. And in 1810, the mansion was purchased by a wealthy French merchant named Stephen Jummel.

So actually while we're at it i'm just gonna say all hamilton fans will just really like this entire story yeah i feel like we should have led with that i i buried my lead but also it's it's also going to become much more hamilton-y in a second so everyone just get ready i mean have you haven't seen hamilton have you i haven't because i know i'll lose my fucking mind because i'm like a big broadway nerd do you know that about me yeah but are you sure it's not because tickets are like twelve hundred dollars because that's why i haven't seen it i tried to go when it was in town here and the minimum like a nosebleed was 340 and i was like yeah i know because lisa one was like are you coming and i

was like lol i would love to see it if it were ever cheap enough we but it won't be for a long time eventually okay so in 1810 the mansion was purchased by stephen gemell with his mistress eliza and anyone that loves hamilton is freaking out right now that i said the name eliza she's a very big character in oh well i was about to say isn't that the name from um hamilton no yep that's the one no from um the rain in spain falls mainly in the plane my fair lady i think so her name's eliza too okay okay go on whatever between tinkerbell and all of these this is is called the Musical History Algebra Podcast. We will teach you things. We will teach you all things that will not help you.

And they're also wrong. And also you'll fail every class you take. You will wince every time you have to answer a question ever again. You will unsubscribe immediately. So Eliza was... So Stephen Jamel bought this mansion. And he had a mistress, Eliz Eliza who moved in with him and she was the illegitimate daughter of a

sex worker. Okay. And she actually encouraged rumors that she was George Washington's child for a while. Oh that's fun. So that's a fun thing about her and she also convinced so she was the mistress of Stephen and by the time they lived in

this house she had convinced him to leave his wife and tricked him into marrying her by pretending to be terminally ill and as her dying wish asked for him to quote make her an honest woman which is ironic since it's the least honest thing she's ever done since she's lying about it so once they got married because he she guilted him into it so then they got married and once they were married she miraculously survived her illness but he forgave her and to prove that he forgave her bought this mansion for her what in 1810 um so the jumels back in france where they had come from they were acquaintances with like napoleon bonaparte like they were like big people back then but so like in france they were really well known but in new york they were considered like to be shunned by society because

eliza's reputation for being from a working-class family and the rumors that said she also worked as a child sex worker in her own mother's brothel which is just really sad really horrible that she'd be the one that got like punished for that socially totally totally so um so in 1832 her husband steven died and the exact cause is unknown but he did die in the house and reports say that he either died from pneumonia from injuries during a carriage accident or from him falling on a pitchfork what and the gossip says that um he fell on a pitchfork and got bandaged and then in the middle of the night eliza said she was helping to check on the wounds but

took apart the bandages and he bled out what a local medium actually also says that eliza buried him alive what so one of those things happened but he died do people really fall on pitchforks i feel like that's maybe in 1832 i guess there were a lot more pitchfork the ratio on pitchforks. I feel like that's such a... Maybe in 1832. I guess there were a lot more pitchfork. The pitchfork ratio was higher. Yeah, I mean, it was definitely like a top, a hot ticket item at a store. Sure, sure, sure. With all the grass, because there was no skyscrapers. Right, yes.

You know what I mean? All the grass. I mean, the more skyscrapers there are, the less likely you are to see a pitchfork. Am I right? There's like a grass pitchfork ratio that... Go to a rural area, you're going to see a lot more pitchfork. Am I right? There's like a grass pitchfork ratio that. Go to a rural area. You're going to see a lot more pitchfork sales. Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair. Ace Hardware does not operate the same in, you know, New York as it does in. Yes. The suburbs. You get it. Aren't we in Manhattan in this story? Yeah, but in 1832. Oh, sure, sure, sure.

Okay. So there's maybe like a skyscraper that reaches like 10 feet tall. Now we're bordering into statistics. So we should probably add that to our. Our mathematical genius. Yes. Our list of subjects. There's nothing we're not good at.

We're good at everything. I can't even say it with a straight face. So a month later, months later after he died somehow. Sure. In the house. She took on a new suitor, Aaron Burr, where all the Hamilton people are freaking out again. Oh, yeah. Because Aaron Burr killed Hamilton. Oh, shit.

You. Spoiler alert. A lot of people's minds are exploding that you know so little about Aaron Burr. I know nothing. I know. I know. And that's okay to me. But to some people, it's not. To me. me I mean we also know that history is like your forte so I mean

also English isn't my first language but let's just also add that when the Hamilton thing happened I was like okay when I watch it I'll really dive into it and then I never watched like saw it right and so I kind of was like well I missed the boat so i'm just not even gonna like right i think so i just ignored it that's fair which is stupid but anyway no but i get it at least like you knew like it's at least i'm gonna own that i i never got into it at the right time to like it but in a few years i'll probably watch it when it's cheaper and then i'll be like wow i'm so into hamilton and everyone's gonna be like, God damn it, Christine. Nobody cares but you. So we can get into it together. We'll get into it together.

Because I know I would love it. Me too. I know so intensely. You and I would probably just be like ripping one another. Yeah. Yeah. Because I also, I know all the songs word for word, but that's also because I lived with Kat in Boston.

That helps. That helps. So. When you know someone who loves Hamilton, you kind of like absorb all the information. Yeah. songs word for word but that's also because i lived with cap in boston that helps so when you know someone who loves hamilton you kind of like absorb all the information yeah when you when you're with someone that loves something you love it too what's that thing that they go like shot what's that thing they think this is my shot oh oh yeah i thought you were talking about like a shot of alcohol. I was like, what are you talking about? Let's take a tequila shot. Okay, so.

Nope. Okay. Oh, my. That's what it is, right? Yes, you're right. What is it? Let's not make me sing. Okay, fine.

My performance anxiety is peaking. Perp Rinaldo. And by singing, I mean rap. Hamilton rap. Right. Sure, sure, sure, sure sure sure um so only months later eliza took a new suitor aaron burr who was once a vice president of the united states and he is famous for killing alexander hamilton in a duel i didn't know it was a duel that's it was and it was also technically an

accident oh drama technically an accident i'll let you find out when we go see hamilton together in seven years i'm gonna be like now i get it you'll be like oh that reference back in 2018 is so funny now so embarrassing okay so despite despite burr's age because he was 77 at this point all the the nonsense. Guys, if you've seen Hamilton, which I'm sure like 95% of you guys have, this is like the sequel like decades later. Like this, all the Hamilton, they wrapped like 40 years ago. And now they're here and he's 77 and marrying Eliza. Okay.

They married in the front parlor of the mansion. And by the time Stephen, her prior husband, had died, she was one of the wealth and by the time stephen her prior husband had died she was one of the wealthiest women in new york and at this point in life burr aaron burr was like not liked by anyone because one he killed alexander hamilton and in the duel two he was tried for treason and three he was incredibly in debt and so he was 77 and was like ready to kick the bucket so chances are he probably just wanted to marry eliza for her money just to like resolve all of his issues oh wow and uh so he just started showing up at eliza's doorstep every day asking her to marry him oh and she kept

saying no and one day she said yes and nobody really knows like what changed her mind but rumor has it he showed up at her doorstep with a priest and wouldn't leave until she said yes oh my god so like was manipulated into it so anyway they got married and uh he used all of her not all of her money but used a lot of her money to pay his debts and they ended up separating and on the day that he and her got divorced he died what um and fun fact her divorce attorney was alexander hamilton's son no way drama is this part of the musical i don't think so because i've also not seen it i feel like my stomach i'm like is this part of the show that's what our moms say about our show oh my god every time so um after he died eliza took to calling herself the widow of the ex-vice president of the united states the

widow of the okay and in france she called herself the vice queen of the united states imagine if you just called yourself something like that i absolutely will do that so anyway she lived in that house and died in 1865 at the age of 90 oh my and then uh records report her as alone and her granddaughter who was taking care of her moved out and like couldn't take care of her anymore like couldn't handle her and eliza was there by herself and quote had all these weird dinner parties that no one came to that's me at 90 so that was what she was up to wait that's 90s really old though and she died of dementia and it was in 1865 that's that's 90s? Really old, though. And she died of dementia. And it was in 1865. That's amazing.

For that time period? Can you imagine being born in the fucking 1700s and then living to be 90? That's crazy. Wow. That's, like, really abnormal. But her dinner parties must have been a blast. Yeah, her and all the fucking people she created in her mind. It was just her and no one else.

Oh, but also that makes me really sad. If she she had dementia she probably kept forgetting that she threw a party it's very sad that's very sad let's let's skip over this okay let's move on in 1903 the daughters of american revolution actually bought the mansion and turned it into a museum and the dar actually saw eliza as so scandalous that they tried to remove any trace of her from the house and so to this day they try to call the mansion washington's headquarters from the revolutionary war even though washington was only there for 33 days and eliza lived there for 55 years oh my god let eliza have her moment so well she's having it right now good good this is what she wanted all the way back then to be on a podcast good girl about her weird dinner parties that's all i want in my afterlife so here are the ghost things tell me um so in 1810 all the way back then wow um jamelle steven jamelle actually got the house $2,000.

He got it knocked off of the price because even back then it was rumored to be haunted. Whoa. And he got $2,000 of money back then taken off. That's nuts. So I just have a list of things that happened. There are sounds from rooms that nobody is in. There is singing until you show up and then there's nothing there and the door will crack as if someone tried to leave without you catching them um shadows will stare at you while you sleep windows will open on their own in the house and then in the 1960s

there was a group of children waiting on the lawn to go into the house for a tour and i guess like a field trip and they said that they saw a woman come out on the second story balcony look down and say my husband is very ill you have to keep quiet and then they like looked up and she wasn't there like they looked back up and she wasn't there yeah then they looked down and talked to their friends again to say where was she and then they looked back up and she was there shushing them saying again my husband's very ill please be quiet or you have to keep quiet what a creepy ghost story so then they went to go tell the curator like hey there's a girl up there telling us to be quiet who is she and the curator was the only one in the house he

checked every room and when he went up to the plate the room with the second story balcony the window was open on the balcony and the door slammed behind him when he left and on his way downstairs from the room he heard someone knock from the inside so the then that that same day during the tour the children saw a mannequin dressed in her old clothes and not knowing anything about her said that's what the woman was wearing on the balcony oh no no no um the curator then decided he was going to hold a seance and good guy when in doubt stage it out sure so he decided he was going to hold a seance in madame jamil's bedroom and he actually i should have looked into this more, but I was kind of in a rush. But it says he held a seance complete with a radio broadcast. Like they like broadcasted this seance back then. So if anyone can find that link.

That's my kind of seance. Apparently, according to the current owners of the mansion during this radio broadcast, quote, they got such foul language that it had to be cut off the air oh from the spirit i'm such a fucking idiot because i just said if anyone can find a recording of this who the hell recorded something in like the 60s i don't know but i really what do you mean who recorded something like who who has like their iphone in the 60s recording a broadcast oh but i'm sure there are i mean people maybe somewhere like a really heavy video camera you mean a video recording yeah oh i was thinking an audio recording oh i don't know i i imagine it's very hard to find if anyone does find it let me know what the hell do you want apparently a new brain because i can't think for myself um okay so anyway it was the language was

so bad in the seance that they had to cut it off the air during these seances though apparently steven jumel was able to admit that he was murdered by his wife who had in fact pulled off his bandages after the pitchfork pitchfork after the pitchfork accident um and he suffered uh he suffered uh from bleeding to death um so the other things that happen are young kids refuse to go into the room that he apparently died in screaming no no we can't go there bad things happen down there oh no people also hear a child barking inside the walls. A child barking. And feel scratches on the back of their head.

Oh. Uh-uh. During the Revolutionary War, a soldier got drunk and took a fall down the stairs and died from the fall. Oh, boy. So a lot of people say that they see a ghost of a soldier on the staircase. They say that it was a Haitian soldier. So I think it was like British, a British troop, but a German mercenary or something like that.

A Haitian soldier. They see him standing, marching or staring at you from the stairs. And he's one of the most common apparitions. People will also see the spirit of the soldier climb out of paintings. Why? Like if you're in a room with a painting painting he will climb out of it when you're alone i don't like that he will also climb out of windows if you see his reflection no he will step out and either stand there like he can't see you or he will charge at you and vanish that's why are those the two options it's like take your bet come on um according to a 1981 new new york

times article as far back as the 1800s visitors have been seeing this soldier on the staircase to a point where even eliza's stepdaughter or no eliza's adopted daughter refused to sleep in the house because she swears she saw a soldier in the reflection stick his arm out and try to touch her how fucking creepy is that i like how it says that he would either step out of the painting and stand there like he can't see you like what else is he doing like he just stepped out of a fucking painting like is he just standing there now like huh well now i've done that today like what else is there step one that's all i planned or is he like step one now watch as i stand here in my glory let me act watch me act like that

wasn't even a big deal right right like you see what i did oh it's ndv that's a good point there is also an apparition of a young girl the one who probably barks in the walls yeah no who was a servant girl on the top floor where the servants quarters were she jumped out of the window to her death um back in the earlier days after being romantically involved with one of the members of the family oh um she will scream from empty rooms for you to look for her and then you go into the room and the screaming instantly stops. That's so sad. She will pace bedrooms and lock you in rooms when you're alone.

People have even heard her say, help or please leave on EVP investigations. And she will clean around the museum after it's closed because she was a servant. So I think she just only knows how to clean. That's really sad. Up until the seance, you could also see, feel, and hear Stephen Jumel, who would stare at you and follow you wherever you went. People heard growls and knocks on walls and tables near them. Staff would feel someone pinch them or mess with their belongings.

And you could even hear Stephen Jumel from upstairs complaining about how painful eliza was removing his bandages oh so you can hear him upstairs going ow that hurts stop um they've also gotten evps of him saying ow that hurts stop or don't take that off so creepy oh no um last thing i've got is a quote okay um oh we've got one more thing first uh so the people who actually run this mansion right now because it's a museum they insist that there is no ghost there at all um but it doesn't explain apparently that it doesn't explain why so many people swear that they see people walking around upstairs in the windows

or that they once they're walking up and down um like once they're pacing the windows people will see the shadows stop and turn at them when it senses that you're looking at them um and many people see a woman in a purple dress on the second and third floors which is probably eliza because she was known to wear that dress um a lot of people have been freaked out by seeing the shadows walking in the middle of the night upstairs and then stopping and staring at them oh my um they've said that they've seen like laser red eyes stare at them like something demonic and so people have been really freaked out and there have been several vigilantes who have tried to destroy the house. And this is a quote from the current owner saying, there's one man who is always after us to let ghost by burning down the house and set fire to an outdoor shed, which contained what proved to be an extremely explosive power mower. No!

Why would people... Oh, God. People are so dumb. So, anyway. People just, like, slaughter chickens and try to blow up the place? Just blow up a power mower? Great. Okay.

Okay. Let's go. That's it up a power mower. Great. Okay. Okay. Let's go. That's it. Let's go there. Oh, no. Well, maybe if we ever do a live show in New York. Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, cough, cough. Andrew, are you listening?

Andrew? Hello. Fresh. All right, you ready for my story? Yes, I'm ready for this doozy that you call a story when I've heard it's actually a saga. Do you appreciate that I stayed awake? Yeah, it's kind of expected a little. I need some attention about it.

Bravo. Thank you. This is the story of Barbara and Patricia Grimes. Okay. Do you know it? Mm-mm. Okay, great. Buckle up.

I'm buckled. So, let me transfer you back to transport. That's not a word. Transfer me back. Let's transfer you. Fax me back. Let's fax. To a time where we faxed.

Let's go. Let's fax you to the HR department in 1985. No. Okay. Let's transport you back to 1956. I'm transported. That's the year after Marty McFly's parents fell in love. Yeah.

I feel like you keep using that as a reference point and I find it very helpful. It is to me. I mean, to you, not to anyone else, but to you. Sure. I'm there. Okay. to me i mean to you not to anyone else but to you sure i'm there uh okay so 15 year old barbara 12 year old patricia sisters best friends big elvis fans good i mean good call for them trifecta trifecta so on december 28th of 1956 um the two decided to go see a screening of elvis presley's newest movie remember he did movies oh who would forget yep yep maybe people who aren't elvis fans

maybe people who didn't watch hamilton oh but you know you never know uh and his newest release was called love me tender big hit they lived in a neighborhood southwest of Chicago so it was a Chicago suburb called Brighton Park. It was actually the 11th time that they were seeing the movie. Not judging them. Not judging. If I were alive during a time

when Elvis Presley was making movies man, I'd be on top of it. Can you imagine how many times I would have seen back to the future in theaters if i could timely right i know 55 probably sorry i spit everywhere uh yep 55 for sure on the dot exactly patricia and barbara left their home at around 7 30 p.m to head to the theater and the theater was about a mile and a half from their house, and they told their mother that they would be home by midnight.

So they left the house with about $2.50. The days. I know. Isn't that funny? Transfer me back. Do you get it? I'm actually going to fax you back. Fax me back to the days where Back to the Future costs $2.50.

Fax me back. so they left with about two dollars fifty cents in their pocket uh barbara had actually been instructed to keep 50 cents of the money in the zipper of her wallet in case they decided to watch the movie a second time later that night i like how the mom just knew she was like she was like just we all know what's gonna happen we're not gonna keep the money from you we're just gonna give it to you and be like just use it when you have to inevitably um so they went to the movies a friend of patricia's from school named dorothy weinert uh later told investigators that she had been seated behind the two sisters during the film and when she and her sister left the theater during intermission at around 9 30

they saw barbara and patricia in line for popcorn seemingly and they'd probably go again happy good spirits and that they were gonna see exactly see the second movie so uh since they had stayed to see the second movie they were expected and obviously the mom was like okay i gave them money to see the second movie they're gonna do it uh they were expected to return home around 11 45 p.m uh but the girls hadn't returned by midnight so their mother loretta sent the girl's older sister theresa and their older brother joey to go wait by the nearest bus stop to their house so three buses drove by without either girl on board and that's when the kids went home and loretta was really concerned and filed a missing persons report for her two daughters so the police at first assumed that the girls were runaways standard you know and it took a

few days before they started the investigation but once they did it actually became one of the biggest missing persons cases in the history of cook county wow and the biggest money and labor intensive cook county georgia no cook county illinois chicago cool which is a big deal because it was like greater chicago area basically so it became one of the most labor-intensive and most expensive missing persons cases in the history of the county. So right off the bat, hundreds of police officers were assigned full-time to the search for the missing sisters. There was a task force that was solely 100% dedicated to locating them, and hundreds of local volunteers joined the search. Police conducted door-to-door canvassing throughout the neighborhood where barbara and patricia were last seen and they even dragged

like local canals and rivers uh to see if they could find their bodies but nothing was turned up and then 15 000 flyers were distributed to local homes 15 000 and parishioners of the church that the sisters attended after offered a one thousand dollar reward for information which you know in the 50s was yeah quite a bit of money um and still is uh so it was believed for a long time that the sisters had run away and these suspicions were fueled by all the sightings that started to come in i got a lot so i'm going to list some of the sightings that were uh widely reported like and a lot of these i got from the subreddit unresolved mysteries which is a great subreddit by the way if anyone has not checked it out they cover all the cold cases and super cool people

discuss them and add like their theories and thoughts it's really interesting so i went on that subreddit and looked up this case and here are some of the most widely reported sightings that don't worry i also cross cross-reference these with uh other real articles to make sure okay neat to make sure they're real um okay numerous people said they saw the girls boarding a bus leading east into the city after the movie. And the girls allegedly got off the bus at Western Avenue about halfway to their home around 11.05 p.m. But no one has an explanation for why they would get off halfway back to their house as opposed to all the way back. Second, two teenage boys said that while they were driving through the neighborhood

at approximately 1130 PM, they saw the sisters heading East on 35th street, quote, giggling and jumping out of doorways at each other. End quote. And at this point they would have been approximately two blocks away from their home. A security guard on the northwest side of Chicago

believed he was asked for directions by the Grimes girls near Lawrence and Central Park Avenues on the morning of December 29th. A classmate of Patricia's eating at Angelo's Restaurant on the evening of December 29th reported seeing Patricia walking past with two unidentified girls past the window while she was eating dinner. 29th reported seeing Patricia walking past with two unidentified girls past the window while she was eating dinner. A railroad conductor reported seeing the two girls on a train near the Great

Lakes Naval Training Center on December 3rd. So this is all within like the days after their disappearance. On December 30th at 540 a.m. The owner of the DNL restaurant said he had seen both girls with patricia apparently too drunk or too sick to walk without staggering accompanied by a man who was later identified to be benny bedwell who i will mention who is a suspect and this location was over five and a half miles from the brighton theater and a clerk at the nearby Claremont Hotel went to actually view the bodies at the mortuary and identified the sisters as having checked into the hotel on that

same night. On January 1st of 1957, the girls were reported to have been aboard a bus leaving town. The following week, a night clerk at chicago hotel refused two girls a room because of their age and he believed them to be the grimes sisters uh on january 3rd three employees at a local department store thought they had seen the girls listening to elvis presley at the record counter at the department store and then a woman reported having met them at a bus station in Nashville and accompanied them to a state employment agency to search for work. She even looked at photos and said that those were the same girls and identified them as using the Grimes last name. Oh, wow. And then on January 14th, the parents of one of Patricia Grimes' classmates received two

telephone calls around midnight. During the first call, nobody at the other end spoke, and then when the second phone call came through 15 minutes later, the mother heard a, quote, frightened and depressed voice asking, is that you, Sandra? Is Sandra there? And before the mother, Anne, could bring her daughter to the phone the caller had hung up and ann said she was convinced the caller's voice belonged to patricia grimes which is just very wild yeah um so anyway despite all this no evidence no hard evidence could be found there was nothing that like 100 tied any theory to reality. And a lot of people still believe that the sisters had run away. In fact, a lot of people actually believe that the sisters had run away to Nashville

to see Elvis Presley in concert or to, quote, emulate Elvis Presley's lifestyle. Okay. Sure. That's what we're off to do next. So. I mean, that's what we do every to do next so i mean that's what we do every day i'm just gonna keep drinking you keep going without you what do we call you m this impersonator i am m this the impersonator

i'm bummed i already used that for a title of an episode can i use it again mvs returns mvs returns okay great uh blah blah blah this continues by the way we're gonna keep talking about all of this oh shit yep is that what we do on this podcast just keep talking we talk about algebra statistics music english literature we cover all the bases broadway like schoolhouse rock we are schoolhouse rock did you actually listen to schoolhouse rock yes i did in germany i didn't live in Germany, you dummy. What's that song? Conjunction Junction?

Interplanet Janet? What's your function? No, what's the one? I know them all. Tell me. I know the one. I memorized it. What is it?

The preamble? Yes. How does it start? We the people in order to form a more perfect union. Say we're good. We're good. people in order to form a more perfect union. Establish justice and ensure domestic tranquility. Provide for the common defense. Promote the general welfare and secure justice

and liberty for ourselves and our posterity. Posterity to our state or day and establish a constitution for the United States of America. For the United States of America. And that's how we learned in America to all of our international listeners. And that's why we don't deserve to be citizens. So like, where did you get your education? The Animaniacs in Schoolhouse Rock. There were cartoons. cartoons that was about it we drooled and watched them i would intentionally avoid school so i could go home and then learn this

is why we're allowed to be u.s citizens but immigrants who are so much smarter than us who know actual facts about the united states aren't anyway disgusting but they can't sing that song so we deserve all our rights okay let's move on so let's keep talking about this well i hate everything that just happened okay um so mvs is back anyway we're going to keep talking about him. Yes. So, in fact, this theory that they had run away to, like, be Elvis or, like, meet Elvis was so widely circulated that Elvis Presley himself, or rather the Graceland estate, released a statement on January 19, 1957, saying, where Elvis himself said, quote, If you are good Presley fans fans you'll go home and ease your mother's worries oh so elvis himself had something to say wow three days later on january 22nd 1957 which was a little over a month after the girls had disappeared a construction worker named leonard prescott was driving along a rural country road

called german church road when he saw what looked like mannequins over the guardrail no does not end well he later returned with his wife marie to check the site i like how he brought his wife he was like i don't want to be in on this alone he did he went home and brought her back to be like can we like double check this apparently okay well i'll finish and then i'll tell you uh it turned i mean obviously he returned with his wife marie to check the site and they found what turned out to be uh not mannequins but actually the frozen bodies of barbara and patricia grimes 15 and 12 years old um his wife marie was so shocked that she had to be carried back to the car.

The girls' bodies were nude, so all their clothes had been removed. Jesus. They were laid on a flat, snow-covered surface behind the guardrail, just feet away from a steep embankment of a creek known as Devil's Creek. Barbara was laying on her left side with her legs drawn slightly up toward her torso and Patricia was laying on her back with her body covering her sister's head and her own head turned sharply to the right. Investigators believe the sisters had been driven to this location after their death and then been thrown over the guardrail. Gross and sad and horrible. Upon investigation,

police discovered three wounds on barbara's chest that resembled those typically inflicted by ice picks ew ice picks barbara also had blunt force trauma to the face and head and patricia's face and body was covered in bruises so the police brought this is really sad the police brought the girl's father, Joseph, to the crime scene to identify his daughter's bodies. And he correctly identified them as Barbara and Patricia, which is just so sad. After searching the scene, police couldn't really find much evidence pertaining to the bodies. pertaining to the bodies although uh the search itself would later be severely criticized because critics claim that people trampled all over the evidence and walked through the scene and it wasn't conducted in a very thorough manner got it um so the autopsies is where things get

So the autopsies is where things get crazy. So the autopsies were performed the next day. And although three experienced forensic pathologists performed the autopsies, they were challenged at the time and are still challenged today. They were unable to reach an agreement on either a date or cause of death. reach an agreement on either a date or cause of death they did determine um that the sister's stomach contents uh were the same meals that they had eaten the day that they had uh gone missing okay so they determined like popcorn and stuff yeah it was like their dinner or whatever they had at home and yeah like popcorn or whatever um and they determined that the sisters had most likely died within approximately five hours of the time they had last been seen alive in the theater

and the cause of death in each case was ruled as being a combination of shock and exposure but at the same time uh they concluded that uh the cause of death was murder so they were like oh it was murder but it was also like exposure maybe it was like murder that like someone allowed them to be yeah they thought it was like very close i think even one of the um pathologists was like it was a very clever way of murdering someone and people were like what right uh like it's very it's a it's murder because someone intentionally allowed that to happen to them yeah yeah um but at the same time um so the the wounds that they had on their bodies the experts concluded that most of the wounds had been likely inflicted by rodents after their death oh my god so like the bruises and

no i know it's horrifying and no obvious fatal wounds were discovered upon either of their bodies and the toxicology reports revealed that neither girl had been drunk drugged or poisoned prior to their death so there was nothing in their systems that showed like any sort of incapacitation uh they never found any item of their clothes the bodies were described as being remarkably clean um and the body or the autopsies also discovered that barbara the older girl who was 15 had uh engaged in sexual intercourse there was semen found inside her but there's no way to tell whether it was consensual or not so basically they said that it was murder but the cause of death was secondary shock so very confusing um the chief investigator at the time uh harry glose who was the investigator

for the cook county coroner's office disagreed with the official time of death, saying later that the numerous marks of violence on the girls' faces was strongly indicative of their being the recipients of violence as opposed to post-mortem rodent infestation. So he believed that they had actually been beaten in real life as opposed to being

attacked by rodents after their death. And he also believed that the ice that was found on their bodies and their skin had um indicated that they had been alive at least until january 7th because um he didn't think that the snowfall would have reacted with their body heat in that way caught it if they had been dumped there when they were dead like weeks before so he thought they had been alive when they were or like near alive when they had been dumped or had been recently killed to have the ice react to their bodies that way so they disagreed on that and glos also stated that

both girls had been subjected to sexual assault throughout their period of captivity adding that the autopsy conducted upon patricia had discovered semen within the vaginal fluid and that, I don't know why this indicates that Barbara had a sexual encounter, but he said there was curdled milk found in Barbara Grimes' stomach when she is known to not have drank milk either at home or at the cinema. Okay. I don't really know what that has to do with one another but that's weird he said it's indicative of a sexual assault i'm not sure so anyway police began to gather suspects and actually guess how many people they interrogated 12 300 000 what 300 fucking thousand and then serious interrogation like they thought maybe this is the person two thousand people oh my god yeah so remember how i mentioned

that guy earlier benny bedwell right so he was a drifter he was originally from tennessee and at the time he was working as a part-time dishwasher in a skid row restaurant in chicago he was tall and allegedly bore a strong resemblance to elvis presley according to the owners of the restaurant where he worked john and minnie duros he and another young man had been at the at the restaurant in the company of two girls who they believed physically resembled patricia and barbara grimes gotcha in the early morning hours girls who they believed physically resembled Patricia and Barbara Grimes. Gotcha. In the early morning hours of December 30th, which is the day after the movie.

So, the owner, Minnie Duros, told police, hey, I think my employee was with these two girls at the restaurant. And so, Bedwalt was arrested and he was interrogated for three days and initially he was insistent that like his bosses were wrong and that he had nothing to do with it but after three days uh on january 27 1957 he was charged with the murders and was after writing a 14-page confession in which he claimed that he and a 28-year-old acquaintance of his had indeed been in the company of the Grimes sisters on December 30th, had been with them for a week, had been drinking with them in various saloons, drinking with them in various saloons.

And then after they refused to accept their sexual advances, had beaten them to death, and then shoved their nude bodies into a snow-filled ditch. After the confession, the girl's mother, Loretta, said, quote, it's a lie. My girls wouldn't be on West Madison Street. They didn't even know where that was. And after a while, they couldn't hold him on that because it was basically coercion.

They basically forced him into admitting the murder. Super manipulative. Yeah. He was also, it turns out, illiterate and had limited mental capacity. Oh, okay. illiterate and had limited mental capacity oh okay um and what's even more telling is that the autopsy reports showed no alcohol okay so he also claimed that he had fed i don't know if i meant i don't think i mentioned this he had fed the girls alcohol and hot dogs before murdering them there was no alcohol or hot dogs found in their systems it was just part of

his like 14 page report right his 14 page confession uh and the girls had also not been beaten to death so basically everything else uh in his confession did not align with the actual autopsy reports and then to top it all off uh he had also, it turns out, clocked in at another job that he had during the time period that the sisters were abducted. So on February 6th, he was freed, although that same guy, Harry Gloss, that I mentioned, continued to believe that he committed the murder. And he was also the same guy who disagreed with the autopsy report right yeah so this guy was like no the investigators are just covering up uh the potentially potential details of the case to uh protect the girls reputations and spare their mother's feelings so he was under the impression that like the police were just trying to make the girls look less scandalous exactly uh but so he refused to retract the statement and

he believed it and wouldn't back down so glos was actually fired by uh the head coroner walter mccarran on february 15th and uh later on glos himself would be deputized by sheriff loman who actually agreed with glos that the girls had been beaten and tortured by a sexual predator who had lured them into his vehicle um and so he hired glos back to work on the case without pay and the same year of his acquittal that guy bedwell right right right was actually tried and acquitted of the rape of a 13 year old girl in tennessee so it's that doesn't help doesn't help doesn't help so it's still unclear but it's still like oh things aren't as black and white as they might seem right right so that was the first suspect. The second suspect was 17-year-old Max Fleeg. Okay.

He was a prime suspect, but due to his age, which was 17, he was protected by Illinois law that prevented juveniles from subjection to polygraph tests. Oh, that's interesting. It's a fun law. It's a very weird law. You know. Okay, whatever.

Whatever. We don't Okay, whatever. Whatever. We don't make the laws around here. Not even in our own studio. Or in Illinois. Or in Illinois. Elsewhere maybe we do, but not here or in Illinois. Intergalactic laws where we like to lie. It's our specialty, actually.

You know, I went to school with to he literally went to college for space law what is wrong oh that's cool actually really interesting i like to tell myself that space law and intergalactic law are the same thing technically they kind of are in my mind but like when you say intergalactic it sounds more it sounds like you're like negotiating with aliens fictional right yeah cool space law is still pretty fucking dope, though. Yes. Space law. Okay. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Okay.

So, he was not required to take a polygraph, but Chicago Police Captain Ralph Patakwe still talked him into taking one. Well, of course. So, of course he did. He's the Chicago Police Captain. He's Pacagweway or whatever his name was what was his name patakway patakway i mean from pottawatomie county squirrel jail yeah he his name's ralph so i mean he can do whatever the fuck he wants sure so ralph got him to take a polygraph test anyway and allegedly this kid max confessed to the murders during his polygraph test

but with no legal means of using the test as evidence right the police were forced to release him without charge additionally there was a lack of physical evidence corroborating his unofficial polygraph confession that he had kidnapped and killed the sisters. So he was let go and they had no way to tie him to the murders. But he was later imprisoned for the murder of a young woman. Wow.

At a different time. At least things caught up to him a little bit. So they're just catching all these people who are... They just happen to be catching a lot of criminals anyway like future criminals yeah aye aye aye so okay the next suspect was a 53 year old man named walter kranz okay you'll like this one he was a steam fitter i don't know what that is yeah i love this so far i was gonna say i was hoping you'd react but you're not going to a steam fitter i mean it's probably got to be like a i'll ask my dad he works in like steel and shit and slag pots what's a steam fitting slag pot

mr schieffer don't ask him he's gonna send us three emails. No, actually he's going to write a fake news article about it and send it to us. And leave me weird cryptic voicemails from fake numbers. Yeah, that sounds about right. Okay, so he was a steam fitter and, this one we understand, a self-proclaimed psychic. That's us! Oh my god!

We get that. I sensed that. Yeah, you did. Totally. When you were asking about slag pots really you were like i know this guy's i was saying slag pot but what i was really saying is i'm a psychic yeah you could feel it i could feel it so what he did this guy named walter is that he called the operator at chicago central police complaint room on january 15th so that was before the sisters bodies were found um and he told the operator at the police station that both of the sisters were

deceased and that their bodies could be found in Lyons Township. He refused to disclose his name to the operator, but he said that he had experienced this revelation in a dream and then hung up. Okay. But the operator immediately

traced the call to a location right by his house. Neat, neat, neat, neat. So Walter's not that psychic. I mean, he's... He's... Might be, like, sharp in certain ways, but not in that one. He's, like, broadly psychic.

If he was, like, at all psychic, he would have been able to foresee what was going to happen in that exact instance. It's like, Walter, if you're going to happen in that in that exact instance it's like walter if you're gonna be a discreet psychic like look don't look 10 steps ahead look like one step ahead and then work from there right yeah so walter kranz so the park that he described in the telephone call was actually one mile from where the girls bodies were actually discovered interestingly enough neat Neat.

They were found one week later, so obviously that was suspicious as hell. When questioned, he informed police that several members of his family and ancestors possessed psychic powers. Oh, shit. And that he had experienced this particular vision after a night of heavy drinking.

Wow, Christine. We do understand him pretty well, don't we? Did he find them on a vision board? Oh my God. What happened? He was on painkillers and he made a glittery vision board. Right. He was just speaking it into existence.

He was manifesting it. Oh my God. Anyway, let's move on. So obviously he was initially considered to be a big suspect. In fact, he was at least his number one suspect for a while. Okay, well, that... Because he literally said, this is where the bodies are going to be found. And then they were fucking found a mile away.

So, he is a psychic and also definitely a murderer. And an alcoholic, probably. And kind of sort of that. Also definitely a murderer. And an alcoholic, probably. And kind of sort of that. So, also, handwriting experts determined that he may have written a ransom note that was received by the girl's mother prior to the discovery of the bodies. So he was not in good shape.

I gotcha. But he denied any involvement in their abduction and murder. Surprise, surprise. After being subjected to multiple interrogations, he was released because police did not have any evidence. And after that, he was the third major suspect. And police did not have any further leads. And Barbara and Patricia Grimes were laid to rest at the Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Worth, Illinois,

on January 28th. All fees for the service were waived by the Wohlschlager Funeral Home and the sisters were buried side by side. The pallbearers at the funeral were Barbara's classmates from school.

And it was apparently just like a really tragic and heart-wrenching ceremony. In May of 1957, Loretta, so this was a few months later, Loretta, the mother, received an anonymous telephone call from an individual who claimed to have, quote, undressed and killed her daughters. How fucking awful is that? Wow. Also beyond that, she'd received a lot of phone calls from randos being like, I did

it. Or like, I know who did it. Isn't that sick when people like want to hop on as the murderer? Sick. Especially if they've never, I mean, not especially, it's hard to say what's worse, but I mean, obviously. I mean, it's all bad. It's obviously worse if they did do it, but it's like, why would you i know jump in and be like i did it guilty fuck it's just awful like oh

congratulations you now get to go to jail and you didn't do anything wrong and you're gonna bitch and moan about it when you did this to yourself you're gonna put people through fucking torture and pain even though you just are sitting in your living room like it's just awful so so they had received numerous hoax phone calls um following the girl's disappearance but this phone call um that said he had undressed and killed her daughters uh ridiculed police efforts um and mentioned suspects such as edward Bedwell and then ended the phone call with information indicating that he may have actually been the perpetrator. He said, I know something about your little girl that no one else knows, not even the police. The smallest girl's toes were crossed at the feet. The caller then laughed before terminating the call.

Was he right yes one year after the murder of her daughters loretta publicly stated uh her conviction that her daughters had been murdered by someone that they had known um she believed that they had gotten they would never have gotten into a car of a stranger and believed that someone they knew had been the perpetrator. To this day, however, the murders of the Grimes sisters remains unsolved and is still an open case. So people are still working on it and trying to figure it out. Uh, in 2013, a retired West Chicago police officer named Raymond Johnson began a personal investigation into the case. And he's actually become personal investigation into the case. And he's actually become an expert on the case.

And if you Google the case, a lot of his writings and interviews and blog posts are all online. He believes that the case is still solvable, but only with public assistance. So he uses the Internet. He created a Facebook group. Like he's just trying to get as much public assistance as he possibly can to solve the case. And he believes it can be solved. Raymond Johnson has also said that the perpetrator that he believes the perpetrator of the crime was a self-confessed child killer named Charles Leroy Melquist, who had actually been considered a suspect in 1957, but was let go. So this is interesting melquist had been convicted in 1958 of the murder of a 15 year old girl named bonnie lee scott whose decapitated body had been found two months after her disappearance and following the discovery of her body

investigators noted similarities in her murder and the murder of the Grimes sisters. And for whatever reason, Melquist was not questioned in relation to the Grimes sisters, received a phone call from an individual who claimed responsibility for Bonnie Lee Scott's murder and said, I've committed another perfect crime. This is another one of those that the cops won't solve, and they're not going to blame Bedwell or Barry Cook, who was another person that had the impression. Loretta would remain adamant until her death in 1989, she was 83, that this caller was the same individual who had contacted her in 1957

and revealed the deformity of her daughter's foot. And she said, I will never forget that voice, and she remained adamant until the day that she died that that was the same person. However, Charles Melquist was never charged with his alleged involvement in the deaths of the Grimes sisters, and he died in 2010. So who knows if it'll be solved.

Right. The Grimes sisters, younger brother, James Grimes, who was just 11 when his sisters were murdered, said in 2013 that he welcomed what he saw as a public reopening of the case saying, quote,

I just assumed it was never going to be solved, but maybe there's hope. And that's the cold case of the grime sisters that's intense yeah even like elvis at the beginning wasn't like elvis was involved i know i tried i tried but you're right it's just heavy as shit wow so yeah that's the story of the grime sisters and um it's very tragic and if you look online there's photos of like when the mom found out the news and how their older sister was comforting their mother when she found out and the mother looking at the church flyers that they would post

the missing flyer it's really there's heart-wrenching it's heart-wrenching and there's a lot of photos online, and the Facebook group has thousands of people in it trying to contribute. It's just sad that after all this time, it still hasn't been solved. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Wow. Hmm.

I do have something for you, though. What is that? It's a geoscope. Yay! To try and lighten the mood. Love a good mood lightening. So, this is a special geoscope. This is from Corbin, one of our listeners.

It's from Corbin of Queer Tarot Visions. I have spoken to Corbin. He has done something. What? Gave me like a reading. Tarot reading. Yeah. Yeah, he's great.

He's also, fun fact, he's also sensed spirits around me and has told me like if they have any messages. Around you. That's interesting. Good stuff. Wow. Yeah, he's very talented. He's very great. He's often on our Facebook group if you want to check him out, Queer Tarot Visions.

So he sent a geoscope for this week. Can't wait. He read Gio's cards. What did you think I meant? I know. It's just fun to hear. He read Gio's cards this week. Here we go.

He pulled the Queen of Cups. Classic Gio. Classic. He says, Sometimes, what we need most during rough patches is a mother's touch, Gio.

Yeah, Christine. Especially during Mercury retrograde. Amen. Amen! We all need a mother's touch. With communication lines down and new obstacles

popping up in your path, you might want to seek out the advice of a mother figure in your life, preferably someone intuitive and empathic. Might I suggest a cancer? We don't know any cancers. Marilyn. Hey. Marilyn's a cancer.

All right, then. Listen, that's the only cancer I know, I think. I don't know any cancers me neither i know no cancers while any sign will do cancer is exceptionally gifted well fine i guess i'm not good enough it's whatever okay it's neat geo real fucking cool really great i don't like this geoscope anymore i clearly geo is not interested corbin you're fired he's moving on this week consider spending some quality time with your mothers mothers who are they me and maryland maryland i don't know my mom i don't know

my mom calls him her grandpuppy but only because i force her to say that i don't know i think we're gonna have to do some reflecting on that rough reflecting reflect help but you know what he needs a mother's touch don't we all don't we all mercury retrograde is kicking my ass by the way i know it's bad, was that the whole geoscope? Yeah, that's it. Mercury is kicking my ass right now. Kicking my fucking ass. I got a parking ticket for $73. I got two this week.

For $73 each? For two different people, because I parked their cars on our street. Blaze and my friend Celine parked both of their cars on the street saying, Oh no, you're allowed to park at this time. Paid for both of their fucking tickets because I was wrong. How much were they? 75 apiece. Jesus Christ.

That's the fourth ticket I've gotten living at this stupid house. Anyway, yeah, Mercury sucks. Got it. So never listen to you on whether or not I can park here. No, don't, because I clearly don't have any fucking clue. All right. Anyway. Good to know.

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One what right? Like he... Oh, oh, oh, doing the reading. Yeah. He didn't get any of our social media right. He got our email address kind of right. No, he didn't. He said atwwd at gmail.com.

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