And That's Why We Drink - E80 Paranormal Justice and a Depressing High School Reunion

Episode Date: August 12, 2018

We’ve been traveling for weeks, so this episode comes to you live from Nashville! Grab your drink and play along with the ATWWD drinking game as Em covers the haunted AF Rotherwood Mansion (which no one knows how to pronounce) and Christine covers the story of Paula Herring, which led to Nashville’s first urban legend. And that’s why we drink!

And please welcome to the stage your favorite podcast, and that's why we drink. Hello. Hi, guys. We love you, too. Here's the thing. That song has a different meaning to me now because we were in Las Vegas last weekend. You'll hear all about it in the next episode. I'll give you a sneak peek.

Essentially, I was put in a blindfold and brought on stage. Let's just say I really blacked out I don't me too cause I had to watch it and my mom had a great time so I think Renata

was the only one who was proud of Christine she was standing up like yes she said she um maybe I shouldn't say that let's just say they reenacted Fifty Shades of Grey on Christine and I know so much about my best friend now Maybe I shouldn't say that. Let's just say they reenacted Fifty Shades of Grey on Christine. And I know so much about my best friend now. Also, my brother was there. Okay.

Him and I were like, you shield my eyes, I'll shield yours. And we were both just... And then he, yeah, he also... You'll find out. He had an experience.

You'll find out. I still love the song, I don't care. Hi, Nashville. Oh, my goodness. I'm going to ask a question. Who came to CrimeCon? Oh, that's so exciting.

I just wanted to see if anyone was loyal. Everyone else needs to get out. Oh, they're poor. It's fine. That's okay. That's okay. I get it. We get that very much. My's fine. That's okay. That's okay. I get it. We get that very much.

My arms are really... Okay, here's the thing. Em doesn't like when I tell this joke, but... Here's the thing. I'm going to give the people what they want.

Listen, we just flew in from Los Angeles. And boy... Drink. And boy, are my arms tired. Get it? Our first live show ever and boy are my arms tired get it our our first live show ever was in nashville at crime con and that was her fucking lead

and she i planned it for like three weeks warned me on the plane she was like look when we get up there i'm gonna go first because i have something really good to say i was like i can't tell you though it's a surprise yeah she was like i'm not gonna tell you and then to say i was like i can't tell you though it's a surprise yeah she's like i'm not gonna tell you and then i got i was like all right let's hear it and i heard that and i was like wow that was a lot of hours wasted on my i think it killed killed get it this is a part no but yes okay this is a podcast about killing yeah ghost death 50 killing someone killing there's a lot of wine also let's just Yes. Okay. This is a podcast about... Killing. What? Ghosts, death.

50% killing. Someone killing. There's a lot of wine also. Let's just get into the stories because I can't handle this. Look at these chairs. Yeah, okay. They asked if we wanted the fancy chairs. We were like, duh.

Do you know us? Yeah, I feel like I'm on a talk show. Okay. Let me know if I flash anybody. Apparently I did that. i'm not going um all right who wants to hear a ghost story all right do it well let me see all right i want i wanted to add suspense so there's that while we try to figure out the clip I also just don't know what slides I put in because I was sleep deprived when I did this. So for, like, it's abstract, you know. Okay, I'm going to do the Rotherwood.

Rotherwood? Rotherwood? Okay, Emma's like, the audience will know how to pronounce it. I literally, we Googled YouTube videos. I can't stop myself. I'm just going to screw it up. You got to scoot forward.

Every video we Googled back at the hotel was like... Nobody said the name. So I was like, okay, well, everyone here is from Tennessee. They'll figure it out. A lot of really old people... Well, now I'm going to get a bunch of emails that I said it wrong. But what don't I say wrong these days? Let's say Rutherwood.

I'm going to call it Rutherwood. Is everyone cool with that? All right. We can blame them now. Yes, yes. Okay. Okay. Okay, so here is the Rutherwood mansion.

And there it is. The end. So, my turn. All right. It looks creepy, right? Like, you see it and you're like, that's a haunted house. It does actually look very creepy. Okay.

So, this is also in Kingsport, Tennessee. Do we know where that is? Yeah? I don't. Oh, like Tri-Cities? How do you know that? Because Tri-Cities is part of like Virginia's involved. VA?

Anyone? Hey! Ohio? Ohio? Anyone? Hey! Ohio? Ohio? Okay, okay, this is going to take forever. Okay. We got to calm down. Let's find other states to say out loud.

Oh my gosh. They're good at this game. Birmingham. You guys can just do this for an hour and I'll just... Are you okay? No. I'm ready. I'm ready.

You sure? Yeah. Okay. It's in Kingsport. Everyone got really excited about that. Okay. So. Okay.

It was a private home above the Holston River. Yes. Woo! All right. You're doing great, sweetie. Thank you. One bullet in. So it's on the National Registry of Historic Places, and it is nicknamed the House of Terror and Sadness. Okay. I don't know what that reaction was that everyone... Was that laughter or like, ew? I think it was like a, oh, no? Okay. It was built in 1818 by Frederick Ross,

who founded the town of Rossville, which became Kingsport. Did everyone know this? Or was that just a fun fact for me? Okay, great. I had a lot of fun. Fun fact. Oh, people should drink also when I throw in fun facts.

I always mean to add that one in. Fun fact that I'm never included. Okay, well, fun fact. This is apparently a very bougie place of its time. It had curved driveways. Oh. Oh, Lord. Don't you do that to me.

With the curves. Okay, so, and... I don't know. You give me a microphone, and I just kind of keep talking into it. God damn it. Also, it had column-lined porches and a pool on the roof sorry that seems like a terrible idea is class oh okay i mean wait till i have a mansion you're gonna see some real interesting shit on that um so he was considered nice because he treated his slaves well but like what a good what a good

guy he's like yeah baby like you you still had slaves but okay um listen everything's relative i don't know all right so unlike other slave owners he treated them well and who's caught up by the way on the episodes okay not everyone okay for those who aren't i apparently don't know the word wanton there was a lot of uh struggle around wanton m m just casually was like saying something very serious like a wanton person i was like a wanton such a wanton and. I was like, a wanton? Such a wanton. And then it sounded racist and I was like, oh no. It sounded really bad.

Oh, I never looked at it that way. we, I got some personal DMs about that and I felt very bad. No, Em just truly doesn't really,

English isn't his first language. No. It's not mine either, to be honest. You're welcome, guys. So, but no, I,

anyway, I would actively like to not use that word, but then, wouldn't you know it, the fates found me this story where the word wanton was used five different times. So, anyway, he had slaves, but treated them well, so that made him a good person, and he did not engage in wanton cruelty. That was so good. It's like hooked on phonics i'm like using it properly i think

okay so oh time to move on yay okay here's our first one that's why we draw everyone knows how this goes right okay people don't some people don't yeah some people don't not okay i'm gonna just lay it out for you so uh before we came on stage and we were doing research for our stories, we found some phrases. Wait. Something's moving behind me? What the fuck? Oh.

Don't do that during a ghost show. Or a serial killer show. Yeah, that's true. That one's scarier. Okay. So, we posted a bunch of phrases that would be involved in our stories without any context and had people send in their interpretations

of what they thought we were talking about. So we each do three. So this is the first of one of my three. So the perfect woman. What could that mean, you say? And I had to do this because someone was really nice. Someone said Al. Oh, come on.

Blah. It worked. Sarah. Also, I like this because this gives everyone... Why isn't it me? You got to ask the audience that. I didn't get any pictures of you. I had a lot of questions.

So, anyway, so this also gives everyone like a little image. Like put that in your head. Not Allison, just like a girl. Okay, so the reason gives everyone, like, a little image. Like, put that in your head. Not Allison, just, like, a girl. Okay, so the reason Perfect Woman is involved in my story is because Ross, he had several children. He had 15 children. Several, yes. Yeah, several indeed. A baker's dozen and some.

But he only loved his daughter Rowena. Rowena? Oh, that's the name of my car. Rowena. That's my car's name. Ravenclaw. I'm sorry, Em. I'm really sorry.

Okay, first we named states. Now we'll do houses. Okay, so he only loved one of his 15 kids. That's nice. And he also treated his slaves well, so he's a great guy. What a gem. But Rowena was considered the perfect woman because she was well-liked, very educated,

went to, like, the hoity-toity schools. And she was an artist. She loved to sing. She was kind to everyone, including the slaves. Oh, just like her father. And she had many men chasing her. Wow. So she was quite a catch.

So just like Allison. I'm sorry. That did not go over well. I'm sorry. It was a joke. It didn't land. It didn't land. I loved her first.

Allison's ears are ringing somewhere. Oh, no. You're going to be in trouble later. So, yeah, she was well-liked. There you go. And then she fell in love with a man from another town who in different records where she wrote letters to her friends, she called him Doctor, which I don't know how to take.

And it just sounds weird. Like his name wasn't Doctor. She just gave him that nickname and no one else did. It was like a sexy nickname. It's like Daddy, but... I know, but more professional. Just drink. Drink on principle.

Drink on principle. Just get blackout drunk now. God damn. Just drink. Drink on principle. Drink on principle. Just get blackout drunk now. God damn. Oh, I'm going to. So, anyway, she was with Doctor. And fell in love, was going to get married, and then her dad, Frederick, bought them a house. Excuse me, he built the house nearby.

He built it right across the river from his house, the Rutherwood Mansion. And he built the house nearby. He built it right across the river from his house, the Rutherwood Mansion. And he built them an exact identical mansion, which screams narcissism to me. And except the original was red and theirs was entirely white, like entirely white. Like, it's like everything. Like, I don't know.

It just, it was like too white. It was very weird. Okay, got it. Like, I don't know. It just, it was like too white. It was very weird. Okay, got it. Like, I'm going to stop talking. So, before they even moved in, the house burned to the ground. That's not funny. I'm sorry. That's just like a twist, you know?

Yeah, it was a game changer. So they say that was the beginning of Rowena's bad luck because on her wedding day to the doctor Rowena's groom and his friends decided to go fishing first of all on their wedding day he went fishing with his fucking friends isn't that a thing in the south? I don't know

I just wouldn't want to go smell like fish on my wedding day it happens I don't know. I just wouldn't want to go smell like fish on my wedding day. It happens. Great. So him and his friends took a small boat out, and they were still close enough to the land that she could see them, and she watched the boat capsize. No.

I don't know what you're drinking to, but sure. Gasp. My gasp. I thought you were saying yass, and're drinking to, but sure. Gasp. My gasp. Oh, gasp. I thought you were saying, yes, and I was like. Yes. Yeah. Also that. Also that.

I was like, sure, I'm not going to judge you. So anyway, the boat capsized, and the currents were pulling them under. There was four people. Oh, no. All of the friends survived, and the husband did not them under. There was four people. All of the friends survived and the husband did not. Oh! No! Bummer. Bummer indeed. So then

she clearly was not okay. And she ended up hiding in her room for two years. Oh. Yeah. Then she came out and decided that she was going to find someone else, and she fell in love, this time a man named Edward.

It's like an actual name. And then her and Edward got married, and only months later died from yellow fever. I mean, come on. She fell into another depression, and this time stayed in her room for a decade. Oh, honey. Like, whoa, wow.

That's a long time. I mean, not making fun of that, but also that's a long time i mean not making fun of that but also that's a long time very sad um so for a third time she was like okay third time's a charm i gotta do this i mean good for her for i'd be trying again so she found and married another man and this time they had a daughter six oh six years later the daughter died what it's interesting how a whole room of people can laugh at that um so she heard his so someone said it's nervous laughter which is what you always say and i was like always nervous laughter yeah yeah okay so she's dealing with that and then she uh went back to the mansion to visit her dad and she saw the ghost of her first love the doctor sorry sultry so she heard his voice calling to her and saw his hands reaching out from the river outside where

he died. Oh no. So some say she might have just hallucinated that. But she believed it enough and thought that she could go pull him out. This is like 18 years later by the way. This is really sad. That night she went out into the water

to reach for his hand and then she never came back up. Are you kidding me? Mm-mm. No, ma'am. So. Yeah, and what are you drinking? People want to know.

Oh, I'm drinking a Coke. I know I don't ever ask. From Hattie B's. That Eva went and got. That Eva got for me. Thank you, Eva. Eva's just. Okay, let's stop for a second and talk about Eva.

Let's all drink, by the way. Hey, I said when we talked about Eva, and you made fun of me, but now you're. I know, but here we are. Eva was such a trooper today because we were on a plane, and we all sat in a row together, and Christina and I were both sobbing our eyes out. One, two, love Simon. One, two. I cried for the

entire movie. And one, two, for the seventh time of seeing Infinity War. And I wept and I wept and I wept. And I kept looking over and we were both just like tear streamed. At one point we were both doing this. Oh yeah. About

very different scenes. Apparently Eva was listening to my dad read a porno and was living her best life her little head be like checking in like just and was like they're still sobbing okay i'm gonna go this way anyway so she got emma milkshake or a coke float yes anyway so thank you thank you we love you hashtag thank you i think we should just make it a thing where we always just like make a toast toast to Eva at the beginning of these. So, yes. Okay, so, Frederick Ross, the dad.

He, after his daughter went into whatever. Oh, his favorite child, right? Yeah. Yeah, she was a golden kid. So, he was in a deep depression, and he failed several of his business ventures. He just, like, wasn't doing hot. and he failed several of his business ventures. He just wasn't doing hot.

He was forced to sell his property to his bookkeeper named Joshua Phipps. And before he sold the property, he freed as many slaves as he possibly could. Okay, all right. One of which was the ancestor of Diana Ross. Fun fact! Drink. And that's where Diana Ross's last name comes from.

They took the Frederick Ross's... Oh, got it, got it, got it. Because her ancestors were his slaves. Wow! That feels good to say. All right. Okay. Let's good to say. All right. Okay. Yeah.

Let's just keep going. I'm sorry about history in general. So Frederick Ross. I'm sorry about history in general. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. So Frederick Ross freed the slaves,

but that's the only reason he freed the slaves was because he knew that since he was selling the property to Joshua Phipps, the slaves were now going to be under Joshua Phipps' control, and Joshua Phipps was an asshole. And he was trying to save the slaves because apparently Joshua Phipps was very willing to be very cruel. He was a wanton. very willing to be very cruel.

He was a wanton. So I just still remember that moment of you saying it and I'm being like You watched my eyes die a little. And me saying like don't say anything, don't say anything and being like a wanton? And you were like Yeah! It was edited out but there's like a good

ten minutes of us being like, Eva, should we keep that in? Let's get rid of that. Let's keep that in. Let's just keep it in because I'm going to say some other stupid shit eventually. Hashtag thank you, Eva. Okay, so. Eva, people are getting drunk for you, man.

I said when we mentioned. So, Frederick Ross freed the slaves because he was trying to save them from Joshua Phipps, but he couldn't save everyone, so there were some unlucky people that did not get to get freed. And Joshua Phipps added cells to the basement with dirt walls, dirt floors,

no protection from weather elements, and whipping posts in every room so he could whip them wherever he felt like it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Um, yeah. Okay, so, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I was on. Okay, so one of, we just watched this YouTube video. We watched this YouTube video trying to figure out the name of the mansion. It was real weird.

And she didn't say it. So her name is Jill Ellis of Kingsport. And she spoke about her experience living in the cells as a child. Oh, now I get the context. Yes, I was like, remember this girl. Because she was like, I'm 87. Yeah. I was born in a hospital, and I was like, what is this video?

Well, you're about to hear more from her. It makes more sense now. Okay. That's probably the nicest thing she said that you're going to hear tonight. Okay. This is what she had to say about being a child on the property. Oh. And I don't like saying it.

Why did you do this to us? The stench was overpowering. One could imagine hearing the moaning, the wailing, the crying, the misery, and the despair. In the front room on the third floor facing the river was a whipping post that slaves were shackled to. Bloodstains are still embedded

into the wood floors, and during days of heavy moisture, the wood would expand and the bloodstains would show up again. Oh. Not to be like a total bummer but that like it needed to be said. We didn't crush the mood. I know. I'm sorry.

So one of the things she also said in another report is that Phipps built a post, his favorite post his favorite whipping post in the house facing the river because he wanted a view. He's a sick guy.

He's a sick guy. He was known to beat his slaves so furiously that neighboring landowners reported hearing the screams. He said when he died, he wanted to be buried standing up on top of the hill so he could keep watching the slaves in agony. Okay, so he's a true psychopath.

I really just want to get through this. He had a mistress on the side who his wife actually knew about but was too scared to say anything. Oh, great. And the mistress was actually reported to be more cruel than him, which I won't get into detail. Thank you. Phipps was also not just cruel to his slaves, but equally cruel to his family. Oh, good.

He was just cruel to everyone. His daughter Priscilla fell in love with a man who had to go fight in the Civil War, and Phipps was high enough that he was able to arrange his daughter's true love to get murdered before he even got there. And then say he died in a line of battle. When she got the letter or the knock on the door that he was dead, he laughed in her face and said that he was the one who had arranged it.

What an asshole. And when she asked why, he just kept laughing and then walked away. This is truly a horrible man. What the hell, Em? I know. Okay, next picture. This is supposed to be a comedy show. It's okay.

It's going to be funny again. That's the fun thing. This is an emotional roller coaster for all of us. We just want to drain you of all your energy. Yes. I want you to go home exhausted. So, okay. Second one, paranormal justice. I think, yes, okay, paranormal justice.

Sorry. Clearly we're on the fly here. Okay. Oh. Shit. This is, I don't know who everyone is. Explain everything. I think this is Peggy or Annabelle.

The doll. It's Annabelle. But it looks like Peggy the doll. It could be. Well, we, yes. Okay, listen to Sunday's episode. Just listen to Sunday's episode. Hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

You heard it here first. Wink, wink, boop, boop. That could be a doll named Peggy. That might get discussed. I think that's Satan. I can't tell. I can't be sure. So anyway, thank you, Marina.

Look, I asked a favor, and Marina fucking brought the game. I'm pretty sure we just cursed everyone in this room with this photo. Sorry. She might have chanted over the picture before she sent it to us. Like, truly, truly. Anyway, good luck sleeping tonight. So we gotta keep looking at this?

Yeah, you get to keep looking at this for a second. Oh, great, okay. Also, I just definitely cleared my throat in case people wanted to play the fair game. Thanks. It's not just me. So, for good reason, because Joshua Phipps was just a grade-A dick, it's believed that in retaliation, he was cursed by one or several of his slaves. Sure.

Of course. I kind of hope so. by one or several of his slaves. Sure. Of course. I kind of hope so. So in 1861, Phipps found himself very ill and the doctors could not explain his condition.

He was feverish and delusional and could no longer really move. He was just bedridden. Oh. Yeah, aw. I hope you get better. I hope they did that. It's just funny.

It's just funny. I hope they did that bloodletting. You know, they did that. They were like funny. It's just funny. I hope they did that bloodletting. You know, they did that. They were like, let's put leeches all over you. I don't know. That seems like a... I'm sorry. Keep talking.

You got it? No, don't make me keep talking. Go. It's a fun role reversal when you don't know what you're doing. No, I don't like it. Anyway, so he was bedridden. He was quarantined in the carriage house, and a young slave was assigned to keep watch

and fan him to keep him cool. If I were that slave, I would have been like, peace, bitch. But anyway, he was obedient, and the boy was fanning Phipps when he had been sleeping for days, like was just incoherent. He was fanning Phipps while he was sleeping sleeping for days, like was just incoherent. He was fanning Phipps while he was sleeping, and then out of nowhere for the first time in several days,

Phipps snapped awake from his sleep, his eyes fixated on something behind the boy, and the boy turned around to see, quote, a buzzing cloud made of hundreds of flies formed from nowhere. Oh, no. The cloud of flies got thicker until the entire cloud moved as one towards Phipps. They covered his face,

their tiny hairy legs poking into his open eyes. Yeah. What else? What else? They ran themselves up his nostrils, into his ears, and down his mouth. I'm still, this is still a quote.

I'm not like a writer. I'm not a good writer all of a sudden. Okay, here we, we're gonna keep it going. The swarm was so thick that Phipps finally started to suffocate, choking to death on the living buzzing flies. Oh, my God.

The poor boy who's watching this watched his master go into spasms as, quote, his lungs filled with insects. Gross. What the actual hell is this? He, like, inflated with bugs. He just, like, kept... It's really just heinous.

So the boy ran off to... What do you always say? Vomitus. Grotesque. Vomitus. So the boy ran off to get help, and when he returned with Phipps' family and the doctor, Phipps was definitely dead,

but there wasn't a fly in sight. Dun, dun, dun. And now we can change this. Thank God. Another one! Trickster Dog. Oh, is this about you? I miss him so much. He's a little baby baby! It's about a happy bug.

I miss him. I think a lot of people knew exactly what I wanted. And a lot of people fucking delivered. So, um, and also, like, what a perfect tie-in. I watched Infinity War today, and Loki is what I wanted. And a lot of people fucking delivered. And also, what a perfect tie-in. I watched Infinity War today, and Loki is the trickster god, so what did I get? Oh!

Oh my god! He's so tricky and so handsome! Look at my boy! Look at him with the scepter. The Chitauri scepter. Look at his demonic face. Truly. This is a little sweet baboon.

What a baby baby. Yeah, that was a lot of drinking. Just finish your drink. down it um okay so here's where it gets even creepier but to keep things light-hearted just look at the duck the itty bitty baby so um so phipps's funeral uh is an odd story however confirmed by several people who are descendants of the people who attended the funeral. Right. So also that means it's just hearsay, but a lot of people swear by this.

So the funeral casket was to be pulled by two large horses to the cemetery plot and as hard as they tried, the casket seemed to be cemented to the ground. Like these large ass horses could not move this one body. Almost as if it was stone. or full of flies

just saying i'm just saying with you so the horses were taken from the casket and it began to move again so it was like once the horses didn't need to pull it all of a sudden the body was light enough to move um the and then they were like, okay, it moves again. Let's put the horses back on. And they tried and it was just stuck. So basically it only worked if like humans, like all like hauled together and dragged a casket. Yeah. To a high maintenance asshole. Seriously.

So, uh, then the river near the plot began to bubble as if it were boiling. Um, then the casket began to bubble as if it were boiling. Then the casket began to move from the inside. Like something was locked in and they were trying to get out. People heard barking inside their own heads. Barking. What? Is that?

This is the context. It's making sense now. It's making sense.. It's making sense. Sort of. Ish. You'll figure it out. So, people heard barking inside their own heads and felt invisible tails hitting their legs. Oh.

You could hear claws against wood and snarling, and a gigantic black dog jumped out of the casket. What? And took off into the woods. Serious black. No, sorry. I'm sorry. We did the Harry Potter thing. I know, but I wanted to bring it back.

So this massive dog jumps out of the casket that a human should be in and then just takes off into the wind and the pastor's like envy i mean he finished the rites so he did his job and then he got the fuck out of there and the coffin was quickly buried they were were like, get in the fucking ground. And people could hear Phipps' laughter as it happened. That's so deeply upsetting. All right, that's a more recent picture. That's pretty.

It's still present day, I guess now. It's not yet, I lied. So, yep. Okay, so the remaining family members... Oh, yeah, this is current day. Okay, I'm in. I was sleep deprived when I did this. So even I don't know what I'm about to read. That's Em's version of drunk.

It truly is. I just don't ever know. We were just talking about this today. I leave myself gifts when I'm sleep deprived. It's actually very unsettling and strange. And then I wake up to presents that only I know I'd love. And was like, yeah, I took a nap, and then I woke up to like presents that only I know I'd love. And was like, yeah, I took a nap

and then I woke up to all this Starbucks, my favorite Starbucks on the table and I was like, oh, did like your roommate Christine or RJ like go get you a drink? And they were like,

oh, no, I think I went and did it. I think I'm home alone all week. What? Nobody's here. It's all definitely here. It's very strange.

Well, not to triangulate my location, but I do live walking distance from a Starbucks. That doesn't triangulate. There's very strange. Well, not to triangulate my location, but I do live walking distance from a Starbucks. That doesn't triangulate. There's a Starbucks. I mean, who's to say? There could be some real good creeps in here. That's

fair. That's fair. I'm one to judge. But so, I guarantee you, I was just tired and decided to go, and then took a nap, and I was like, wow, this is great. The fact that it was so nonchalant, I was like, no, I did it for myself unconsciously. It was not the first time. It won't be, wow, this is great. The fact that it was so nonchalant, I was like, no, I did it for myself unconsciously. It was not the first time. It won't be the last either.

Good. The remaining family members living in the mansion began to experience paranormal activity after this whole black dog funeral thing. They saw things moving in the shadows of the house and they heard animal feet running through the hallways.

Also, in case, well, I know I didn't mention this, but in case people haven't caught up there yet, the big black dog is like the welcomer to hell, like your escort to hell. A hellhound, exactly. It's literally called the Hound of Hell. So someone knows their shit. And it's not me. And it's not either of us.

Okay, so they've also heard laughter and sounds of Phipps walking around the home, and Phipps would also appear at night at the foot of your bed. Good. They also report that sometimes if you ignored him at the foot of your bed, he would wait until you fell back asleep and then yank the blankets off of you. Told you, he's a freaking asshole. This guy, like, does not quit. Like, he didn't get enough when he was alive.

But he's, like, not even in hell. He's just still on earth, like, pissing people off. Some believe that he had risen from the grave just to keep tormenting them. And many believed he was actually just alive somewhere and stuffed a dog in a coffin. That's actually really funny. What if he did that? Fed up with the rumors, the family agreed to dig up the grave to prove that Phipps was actually dead. Oh, okay.

And when they opened the grave, the coffin was still there, but it was empty. No! Wait, what? And all they found were large black dog hairs. And the dirt around it had not been disturbed. Like, no one has touched it since they buried it. What the fuck? The activity got worse, probably because they fucking took out a grave.

And people started getting pushed and pinched during the day and losing their favorite items. They also started getting pushed down the stairs. I like how it's like, it gets worse. He pinched me. You're funny. You're funny too. We should start a show. No.

People were also convinced that it was that, oh, excuse me. I just didn't read English properly. English is my first language and I just can't do it. So convinced. That's not a drink. Don't drink.

Just kidding. Convinced it was Phipps, like that was haunting them this whole time. The slaves decided they couldn't handle the torment anymore, that he just still hated them

and he was just destroying their lives even after he died. So they revolted by destroying phipps's headstone desecrating his grave and killing his mistress they beat her to death and all swore to secrecy where they left the body rock and roll baby so and she was an asshole too right oh she was the one that was even worse than him yeah yeah

so i don't think people even asked they were like she she she needed to go she needed to go guys this just screams haunted house this looks like a sludge like a when you leave your computer too long the screensaver comes on it's just like your christmas photos Yeah. I mean, actually, I pulled it from Apple. So the shadow man, the dog. Oh, yep. I yep. There's a shadow man coming up. Look, I even highlight this part pink so I know where to start after a new slide.

And I didn't even do it. So that's the trick. It has, okay, so after the, I'm sorry, I think I'm having a stroke. So,

you're doing so good. We're almost, we're almost done. I think, I think if we're being honest, my medication is like, is like, my anti-anxieties are calming down and now I'm like, oh, fuck. You're like, where am I?

So we're just going to tunnel vision through. So it has since passed through several owners, and the current owner bought it in 1987 and restored the home to the original design. I'm remembering when all of you were like, what? What shadow person? Sorry. I hate good times. I hate myself. So during the renovations, workmen were in the basement, and that was where the slave cells were located. And one of the workmen was down there with a buddy, and he looked up in Frozen Place and then just like bolted off, just took off screaming.

He, the other guy's like, what is going on? That workman sprinted to his van and fled, leaving all of his tools and his fellow workers behind. Just ditched him. So now we know what he's like in an emergency. Yeah. Later, the man said that he looked up, and when he felt someone staring at him, and when he looked towards that corner, he saw a shadow man materialize out of the wall, dressed in a dark suit that melted onto him. I don't even know what that means, but it's disgusting.

Yeah. Next to him was a gigantic black dog. Oh. Full circle. The dog had glowing red eyes, fangs exposed, and was snarling. The shadow man looked at him, grinned

sadistically, pointed at him, nodded, and then the dog charged at him. He said the dog followed him up out of the basement to the van and even a little down the road before vanishing. So here's the part I almost read. The shadow man. What shadow man?

The shadow man, the dog, Phipps, his daughter Rowena, and Priscilla, and the spirits who were slaves that were murdered on the property, they all walk the ground still, and during thunderstorms, you can hear a dog howling inside the house. You can hear Phipps' evil laughter. Rumor has it, like I said, when it rains that bloodstains still appear on the floor of the mansion. People have been seeing Rowena for over 125 years now, and she has earned the name Lady in White for her long white dress that she wears, and that

was the dress that she wore the night that she went in the river. She is the most frequently seen spirit, and it is said that she is still looking for her first love. I think she should be looking for her daughter, but... R.I.M.? Jesus.

That's my two cents. She... And she's been seen sitting in her room on the third floor looking out at the river where her first love died. She also walks on the lawn in the halls by herself. And there is

another apparition assumed to be Phipps' daughter Priscilla who walks through the halls in the halls by herself. And there is another apparition assumed to be Phipps' daughter Priscilla who walks through the halls in the corner of your eyes. Objects get lost and found in odd places. A lantern has been seen frequently floating throughout the house by itself. Dangerous! The shadow man has been seen in nightmares and always comes from the same wall the workman saw him. One reported the shadow man to be upside down on the ceiling.

Oh, no. If you guys listen to the listener episode, someone submitted a story about the upside down man, and I've truly had nightmares about it. It's not good. It's not good. People have felt a dog sniff their hand, and they've seen a white dress hiding behind their curtain. Like, I don't know why, but it's just the creepiest.

I just imagine someone broken and is wearing a dress. And it's me. Surprise! Sometimes people have heard a child's laugh in their face and they will feel someone climb on top of them in bed when they sleep. Oh my god. And that's

that. What? What the fuck? Are you kidding me? Alright. And now it's time for Christine's story because I don't know what it is. Are you kidding me? All right. And now it's time for Christine's story, because I don't know what it is. I just feel like I get to a point where I'm, like, so settled into your story, and then all of a sudden I have to freaking... See, I'm the opposite.

I'm like, okay, I've only got five bullets left. It's over. Exactly. Okay. So Em doesn't know my story, but it is the story. Now, see, everyone reacted like, I don't know your story. I don't know if people will know my story but it is the story now see everyone reacted like I don't know your story I don't know if people will know this story this is the story of Paula Herring

okay well it's kind of exciting because to be honest this is the story apparently that led to Nashville's first urban legend which is quote lock your doors or you'll end up like Paula Herring. Which is not catchy, but... They could have thrown some zest into it.

I tried to Google it a few times and that's all that came up. But yeah, apparently that was Nashville's first urban legend, which obviously doesn't... Oh no, I got it. What do I have to hit? Oh, that doesn't make me feel confident. Alright, I'll tell you when do I have to hit? Oh, that's not it. That doesn't make me feel confident. All right, I'll tell you when. I'll tell you when. Okay.

So first off, I do want to say that I got a lot of this information from the Nashville Public Library. Read books. Also, I found this podcast called Something's Not Right right and it's like a tennessee focused you guys know it oh my god okay it's like a tennessee focused true crime podcast and i was like that's fucking amazing yeah it's called something's not right so um they did a two-parter on this story and it helped me a lot because they did a lot of research, and I was like, you guys are amazing. Okay. Drink.

Sorry. Can you hit the button? Should I be drinking with you guys? Yes. Can you hit the button? Oh, this is the lovely Paula Herring. She's beautiful. She's a gem. She's a babe.

So this story takes place in February of 1964. 18-year-old Paula Herring. She's a freshman in college at the University of Tennessee. Which one? Ah, the one that you know about. I don't know. How many are there? The good one, you know.

Go what? Go baseball! It's their baseball. It's their football team. Their football team. Volunteers. Oh, not baseball. It's their football team. Their football team. Volunteers. Balls. Yep.

Yeah, I love them. Christine, just tell the story. It's my second bullet. Help me. Okay. So when she graduated high school, Paula was... Okay, this is... I don't know i found this interesting she's on the tennis team the school magazine secretary of her homeroom the captain

of the basketball team and she was the captain of the bowling team now here's the thing i was also on the bowling team me too but it was only because the guy I had a crush on was like, let's start a bowling team. And he smoked a lot of pot. I didn't know that. But I was like, okay, great. Let's do it. So I made my mom buy me like a custom bowling ball.

I'm a terrible bowler. So I was not the captain. But I was on my school's first bowling team. So I was like, let's, can we hit. So I was like, let's, um, can we hit it? Yeah. I was like, let's,

uh, make somebody draw the, and that's where you drink bowling team since we were both involved in a bowling team. So this is what happened. This is by Anna. And, and she was like, I can't do anything artistic. And I was like, this can't do anything artistic.

And I was like, this is a masterpiece. It is a Photoshop photo. It's fucking amazing. Is it Photoshopped? I don't remember. I remember being there. Correct. It is a real photograph. Not altered at all.

It was so hard to shave shave geo's arms that day and make him stand upright and hold a 15 pound bowling ball yes very hard jeffrey dommer um and so i also i okay now what do i hit can i do this one the down one okay but hold it for a second so here's the thing evan right okay so Okay, so a man named Evan was like, I'm on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, but my wife is going to be at your show, and so I drew a drawing so I could be a part of the evening. And I was like, that's too sweet.

So this is for you. But then I realized he didn't say your name. What is it? Laura? And so... So romantic. I know. Look, look at her.

She's so sweet. So he was like, I just want to be a part of the evening. And I just was like, and put two slides in. So this is also us with... And I thought he did a great job. Like, look at...

But also H.H. Holmes is petting Gio and I don't trust that one bit. I don't really know if I trust any of them with Gio. Eva tried to be really calming. She's like, well, maybe he has a soft spot. Maybe he's just a dog person. So that was from Evan for you, Laura. Yay!

Listen, I'm a big old softie. I was like, that is the sweetest thing I ever did see in my whole gosh darn life. Okay, so let's go back to this. On the night of February 22nd, 1964, Paula is home from college. Whichever college she went to, I don't know. She's visiting her family in the Creve Hall neighborhood of Nashville. Yeah. Yep. her family in the creve hall neighborhood of nashville yeah yep um she pers she persuades her mother to go out to dinner she says you know i'll babysit my younger brother who's six years

old his name is alan and she's like i'll babysit alan um while you go to dinner and i'll work on my book report and her book report was on all the king's men which is one of my favorite books just saying no fun fact book read books nashville public library i don't know okay so her mother goes out to dinner a couple hours later when her mom returns home um with the people that she was out to dinner with she finds paula's body lying face down in the living room. So her mother's name was Eva. Not to be, please don't relate her to our Eva. This is Eva, our Eva. Look how happy she is. I just want to clarify, this is eating Hattie B's chicken.

That's not the Eva I'm talking about. I'm not talking about that Eva. I'm talking about this Eva, okay? Remember that. This is this Eva. That'm not talking about that Eva. I'm talking about this Eva. Okay? Remember that. This is this Eva. That was a slick tie-in. You'll have to understand later why it's important. Okay? Jeez.

So this is Eva Jo is her name. So Eva Jo is a nurse. So she finds her daughter on the ground in the house and she drops to her knees, begins looking for her pulse, but unfortunately Paula has been dead for about an hour and a half. Paula's mother, Eva, describes her body as looking ghostly, bloodied, and bruised. She had been badly beaten and strangled, but she had also been shot

twice in her back and her upper left chest and that's what killed her. They found her sweater in a ball on the couch and it had two bullet holes in it, so somebody had used it sort of as a silencer when they shot her. And little Alan, the six-year-old that she was babysitting, so he was safely tucked in bed, and when they talked to him, he hadn't remembered the gunshots.

However, while his mom and her friends were out, he did get out of bed to answer the phone and he saw his older sister's body on the ground and he thought she was sleeping and it spilled ketchup on herself oh no i know so he really had no idea and then he was like oh she fell asleep and then he went back to bed that's so sad and waited for his mom to come home. So, yeah, really, really, really upsetting. So, I mean, fortunately he was okay and he was fine, relatively speaking anyway. So actually a couple years earlier, Paula's dad, Wilmer, had actually been, he was found dead in a local hotel. He had taken his life by taking poison so that was like this is like the second

like big tragedy in a couple years in their family and when police came to investigate uh the paula's death they determined that she had actually fought back against the killer and had actually been shot while she was already on the ground because the bullets were like in the floorboards oh okay so she was like really brutally attacked while she was already down. And they noticed something else odd. Her copy of All the King's Men was missing. Creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy.

Because her mom was like, she's doing this book report and they're like, well, it's not here anywhere. So I'm just going to throw this in here. The book was later found in a field 75 feet from our house like in the wilderness just in the brush weird yeah nobody can really explain that i don't know i just thought that was a really creepy detail so a few days later the crystal with a K? Okay, I know White Castle.

I know White Castle. Alright, hold on. Do you know crystal with a K? I know of it, but I don't have the name. Do you know White Castle? I know White Castle. Okay, listen. I'm from Ohio. We have White Castle. Everybody be quiet. Well, I know of crystal, but we didn't have them in near my part of Virginia.

Well, apparently this Crystal still exists. So it is... Oh, I did find it. It is at 2613 Franklin Road. Listen, I'm not allowed to triangulate our location, but I can triangulate the location of the Crystal. So I looked it up. It has two stars on Yelp.

But that's okay. It's okay. Listen, people are really difficult on the internet. I don't know. Let's support local business. So,

anyway, this is like the 1960s i thought it was cool that it still exists yeah so the night manager of the crystal um that's apparently still there uh picks a man out of a police lineup and identifies him as the same man who had apparently come into the restaurant covered in blood the night of paula's killing and he says uh oh sorry she says that she saw him fumbling through the restaurant's phone book and um he said he was having car trouble so he's like can you look up the number for a local service station to help fix my car uh because he had heart troubles no yeah because he couldn't find his glasses this all makes sense so then she goes so then she goes, well, what happened? Right, yeah.

And guess what he says? I've had a rough night. Apparently, he can't find his glasses. He has heart trouble, and he needs a service for his car. I'm like, me too. So that happened. And then a man named Al Baker contacts police and is like i have some pretty serious information he says my friend and drinking buddy 39 year old john randolph clark aka red because he had red hair people were very clever i don't know if you can remember that connection

so clark i'll keep it in mind yeah i'll log it away you can try so al tells police that his buddy clark left the dinner they were eating that night of paul's murder at around 9 p.m and said he's going to visit a girl from college who was babysitting that night red flag number one red yes flag red flag red flag correct al also told authorities that clark Paula and Eva, the mother, and he said that Clark had actually been drinking heavily on the day of the murder. So obviously police went after him, and Clark went in voluntarily to speak with the police, and he refused to look at crime scene photos of Paula,

but he was interviewed for 11 hours, and he was actually released because they couldn't find enough evidence on him. So this is just some information about Clark himself. So he was a veteran of World War II. He was the son of a judge, a local judge. So he was kind of like a high status guy in the area. His ship had been torpedoed on D-Day and he had had to swim to shore before being found two days later. So he was on shore like near death for two days.

And so after that he suffered from pretty severe blackout spells apparently for the rest of his life and um but the only trouble like the only legal trouble he had ever been in was at school uh he went to tennessee tech nobody likes that wow fantastic Wow. Fantastic. Not even one person was like, yeah. I heard four people go, eh. I heard a lot of distaste. He went to Tennessee Tech, and he had to withdraw from the school after. Apparently for the best. Hold on. Hold on.

Let me tell you the terrible thing he did. What? After an incident at a school football game where he staged an impromptu cheerleading session at halftime. What? What a fucking asshole, am I right? He's worse than Joshua Phipps. It's hard, but I think he did it. Yeah.

Yeah, so he apparently had to withdraw after his cheerleading session that he choreographed. I don't know. And then after that, a traffic cop, a local Nashville traffic cop, testified that he had sold Clark a pistol and a box of shells, and he also told police that two months prior to the murder, a group of people, are you ready for this, saw Clark firing a gun into a snowbank outside a Christmas party.

Sounds like a good party. So, obviously, I requested that people draw me shooting a snowbank, and this is what I received from Aries. It's a beautiful drawing. People are very talented. That doesn't even look drawn. That looks like an oil painting. People are very talented. That doesn't even look drawn. That looks like an oil painting. They're very talented.

And so... I like the water gun. She shoots the water gun. I just really like this. I just really like this. So this is the shooting a snowbank. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-da. So...

Drink. So police went to search for the bullet that was apparently at the scene of this Christmas party and they could not find anything. The next day, they spent several hours looking. The next day they went back and lo and behold, the bullet is just casually there on the sidewalk for them to find. And they're like, okay. And they took it, but it's a little fishy. It's a little fishy. So on February 28th, Clark was charged with the murder of Paula Herring after finding the bullet. Right. As well as assaults with intent to ravish.

Ooh. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, I figured him. I don't want to sound like an idiot, but what does ravish mean? Rape maybe is what I'm thinking. Okay. Got it. Well, cannibalism. Listen, I figured it. I know I sound like an idiot, but what does ravish mean? Rape maybe is what I'm thinking. Oh, okay. Got it.

Well, cannibalism. Listen, I don't know. I didn't say it. They said it. They said it. Okay. So his trial starts on September 21st, 1964 in Jackson, Tennessee. Listen, I just paused.

I'm like, people are going to shout. Nobody's shouting. Or they're going to go, eh. That's true. That went way worse than I expected. It turns out that Clark, who, by the way, was also married, had gone over to Paula's house and told his buddies that he had hoped to have sex with her.

He actually, okay, I'm sorry. I said that wrong. He went to Paula's house, hoped to have sex with her mother, Eva Jo. What? Because they knew each other. They knew each other. They had met at a pool hall. That's a real twist.

Sorry. And then, and then he said, but if that didn't work out, he'd just wait for Paula to come home so that he could sleep with her instead. Oh, okay. I like his plan B. Got it. So this is, right. I like his plan B.

Got it. So this is, right. He actually is like, I believe he's 37, and Paula's 18 at this point. So it's highly questionable. Thank you for asking, because I forgot to mention that. Also highly questionable. So he's like hoping to sleep with her mom, and then is like, and he had like met her mom before,

and then was like, well, she didn't show up. At least I can sleep with the daughter, which is not cute. Although, again, this is the best friend testifying this, so this is not like he's not admitting to this. He denies everything. Just to clarify. So he denies everything. He says Al

is lying, but surprise, surprise, on September 25th, 1964, he is convicted, and the jury recommends a 30-year prison sentence, and the judge instates that prison sentence but ultimately it's reduced significantly and after only 9 years he is released

but this is where the plot thickens it's where it gets bananas I was going to say shit gets wild but then I just yelled shot and then I realized it's too late to go back. Freudian slip.

Take a shot. So shit gets wild here. All right. We're all on the edge of our seats. So this man. I don't know either, just so you know. Usually I yell at Eva to edit that out. Eva, edit that out.

Okay. Eva to edit that out. Eva, edit that out. Okay. So, a man by the name of Michael Bishop releases a book last year in 2017 called Murder in Music City. There it is. There it is.

And he claims that Clark Red, aka Red, was set up and the real murderer of Paula actually got away with it. So, this is a 300 page book. So,

you read it all for this exact show. And I did and I'm going to read it for you right now. Everybody settle in. Buckle up. This is a 17 hour show.

Get ready. I was like, okay. No, I would never do that to you. So, I will sum up for you so here's the thing well I'll tell you in a minute emotional

rollercoaster surprise surprise every turn there's another turn there's another me being there's another Christine being really confused so Michael Bishop he is this like amateur detective he is kind of browsing around the archives in Nashville,

and he stumbles upon the box containing information about Paula's murder. And this is in 1997. And he notices something odd. So there is a letter in this box from then mayor Beverly Briley explaining Mayor Briley's presence in Paula's neighborhood the day of her murder. Uh-oh. So there is this letter, truly, from the mayor that says, like, I was in Paula's neighborhood

on this evening because I was, like, visiting a friend, and it never became part of any sort of, like, investigation. Like, it didn't become part of the trial. The press didn't have a hold of this. So he's like, that's odd, and starts looking into it so he spent 20 years researching the case and just released the book last year um and he did his own detective

work and he believes okay so now i did do some digging here because he does not like to reveal um the ending of his book because it just got released but i'm gonna spoil it for you so if you don't so i didn't read the 300 pages but i did just you read the last one i went into the deep web and found right the last chapter the dark web thank you so i'm gonna tell you what happens listen plug your ears if you don't want to know. But you do because it's really interesting. And you're not going to read a 300 page. I know I told you. Listen.

Read books, but not this one. No, no, no. No, no. Read the book. It's great. But don't be surprised. But you're not going to, right? Okay.

I'm not going to read it. I'll tell you that. I know you're not. Okay. Okay. Ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-ba-da-da. So. Bitch. so i'm not gonna read it i'll tell you that i know you're not okay so he releases this book right he believes this is what he believes paula's mother eva joe had been socializing with some very important local officials at the time including the mayor who was an extremely heavy drinker um this is why i want you to disassociate our Eva with this Eva. Thank you. This is why I made a clarification.

Then Bishop, who wrote this book, found a previously unpublished photo showing the woman who had discovered Paula's body. And guess what? She was the mayor's mistress. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

It's just, it's honestly, honestly, it's just funny. Like, it's fine. I hate you. So essentially what he's claiming is that the mayor wrote a letter explaining why he was in Paula's neighborhood. Because he, not because he actually was in the neighborhood, but because his mistress was in the neighborhood. And he wanted to protect her to protect his own career. Because he didn't want anyone to reveal that, you know, he had a mistress.

So I didn't read the, I wrote in my notes, I didn't read the book. Thank you, me, for reminding me that I didn't read the book. Self-awareness is important. Yeah, I'm good at it. i didn't read the book self-awareness is important yeah i'm good at it i didn't read the book and um so again bishop does not like to tell uh the ending but essentially what happened is this gets pretty pretty fucking wild he he tracked down a guy who had been in the house on the night of paula's murder finds him in the nursing home that he's currently living in gets kicked out then comes back and is like listen this is my only chance to freaking interview yes drink thank you i see one person drinking uh this is my one chance to get like any information he literally said like this guy kicked me out and i was feeling terrible for harassing him and then he's like this is my one chance to get like any information he literally said like this guy kicked me out and

i was feeling terrible for harassing him and then he's like this is my last chance to get any sort of answers right so he goes back now this is me i am a brave warrior journalist you know me really confrontational um So he goes back and he basically talks to him and is like, tell me what happened. And I'm going to spoil it.

Okay, ready? Here we go. We've been waiting, man. Listen, I just love to build this like pressure that I'm creating. It's there.

You built. You built well. Wait, let's talk about something else. Let's go back to those photos of geo that was fun um so when this guy in the nursing home finally speaks apparently according to bishop he let out a loud high-pitched sound as if he was quote exhaling after having held his breath for 50

years oh and quote then broke down in tears and told Bishop everything that had happened on the night of Paula's murder. Oh, so this man, this witness who was living in the nursing home, his name was changed in the book. But he said that one of the nurses who was there with Eva Jo, Paula's mother, and was having drinks with Paula and the mother and the mayor's mistress and all that, you know, kind of highfalutin party crowd. My scene. Yes, you know, that's us. She got into an argument with Paula about their lifestyle because Paula was, like, home from college and kind of confronted her mother about, like, the lifestyle she was leading with, you know, her 60-year-old son at home.

And then this woman, this nurse, who was also not identified, shot and killed Paula. And then Paula's own mother helped cover it up and helped arrange the sort of witnesses, like the people at the Crystal who saw a strange man. Oh, my, hi. So basically he thinks,

and this person at the nursing home said, yeah, this is what happened. And then, you know, so he's not saying it's impossible that Clark, who was convicted and went to prison for Paula's murder, he's not saying it's impossible that he was

the murderer, but he's basically saying what his belief is that the real motive turns out to be that Paula Herring knew about some of the activities of very powerful people in Nashville, and she confronted her mother about it, and there was a group of people with her mother, and things got heated, and her mother tried to protect her reputation, the mayor's reputation, everybody involved. That's noble.

And some of the, yes, yes, correct. Some of the details actually do fit this theory. So the snowbank bullet, remember they just, they didn't find a bullet, and then the next day, after 10 hours of searching, it just was suddenly on the sidewalk. She just go over and just drop it? They believe somebody went and just, like, tossed the bullet of the gun that killed her onto the sidewalk.

And then the photos, obviously, of the mayor's mistress that were never released um and then that letter that was never released what about the book sketchy what book the three kings oh that they don't i just thought that was a weird detail got it that yeah i don't really know how that ties in that was like someone else i just thought that was super creepy it's like a red herring yeah i thought that was kind of a red hair i threw him off and then um it also turns out that when paula died um her mother eva joe didn't buy her a headstone and just kind of buried her and didn't never put a marker after like several god frick i keep hitting the button after After several decades of, after her death,

never put a headstone or anything. Just very like strange details that never really added up. And then so Eva Jo herself died in 1976 in Waco. So there's no obviously bringing her to justice, but Paula's friend from high school, they were in the basketball team together. And they, she's's her name is k knox and she recently said i think it's justice for paula that this book was released right um

i think it's finally what sets her situation free and actually a few months ago a gathering of paula's former classmates had a reunion a high school reunion and they invited michael bishop the author to come speak to the classmates, which was really cool. And he pledged his share of the book's proceeds to the new Paula Herring Scholarship Fund, which I thought was really awesome. Happy ending. It's really great. And they had a seat reserved for Paula.

And that's it. And I guess it was just like very sad and everyone was crying. And there's photos of it where it's like class of, you know, whatever 1962, 1963 and it's just, everyone's just kind of like crying in their seats. Yeah, it's very sad. So that's why I wanted to end on a high note. So I did a depressing, I was like

That'll do it. That's topical. And some of them were really on the nose. They were like, yeah, depressing ice reunion, someone's dead. And I was like, no, we nose. They were like, yeah, depressing ice cream reunion. Someone's dead. And I was like, no, we can't go that route. We can't work with reality. We can't work with reality. We got to escape it.

So that's why I used this as a prompt. And my favorite one, I think, was this one. It says, homeschool reunion. And then it says, my mom didn't even show up. And it's just very sad. That's kind of genius. I just love that it's like a homeschool high school reunion

and his mother didn't even show up. That's a good one. Anyway, so that is the story of Paula Herring. And she inspired Nashville's first urban legend. And apparently you didn't know about it, but now you do. Yay! Yay!

Woo! Anyway, thank you guys so much for coming. We love you very much. Anyway, thank you guys so much for coming. We love you very much. Nashville was where our first live show ever was. We did our weird, awkward conference room live show at a crime con. Yeah, I was just as nervous today as I was then.

No, you were way more nervous. Okay, that's true. Well, no, I'm not sweating too bad right now, I don't think. We're really sweating profusely. Drink! They just want to drink, Em. Let them have it. I know. But no, thank you guys so much. Nashville really does mean a lot to us. This was like the next chapter of this and now

like, again, we can't say too much, but live shows are about to be a much bigger thing that we do and so and there's some very also things we can't talk about renata posted something today on the internet she posted she i texted her a photo and i was like why isn't she responding and then i got a notification 10 minutes later like renata posted something on facebook and i was like oh for god's sake and it was a photo of us, like, outside. It was, like, the poster of us outside Zany's, and it was really sweet, but then she goes,

Em and Christine are on the first leg of their USA tour. And I was like, okay. If that's what you want to call it. Let's call it that. It sounded so baller. I was like, okay. But we, like, live shows are definitely coming out more and you know i don't in the future hopefully more things come up um but we're trying to make this like a career and i mean we were we always thank you guys on the show anyway so we might as

well thank you now but this we we were just talking on the way here where I was like, Christine, we haven't even been doing this for two years. And two years ago, Christine and I weren't even friends. I don't think we really even liked each other very much. Fuck you. I liked you. Well, you're stuck with me now. We're going to have to talk later. I know.

Poor Eva. She's got to be our talk later. I know. Poor Eva. She's going to have to be our peer mediator. It's just funny how... Yeah, honestly, it's just fucking funny. No, it's fine. No, I think you're great, too. I think you're great, too. I love how you'll just wear anything.

All right, you're going too far. You just say whatever you want. I'm crossing a line. No, but really, Christine, you're my best friend, and I love you so much. You're my best friend! And we would not be here at all if it weren't for you guys. Thank you. You're my best friend.

You're all my best friends. Thank you. We love you. And that's why we drink! We did it! We did it!