And That's Why We Drink - E87 Paranormal Fun Facts and Your Sister's Pony

Episode Date: September 30, 2018

Are you sitting down? It's about time we had the talk. When a mommy ghost and a daddy ghost love each other very much that's how a baby ghost is born! This week Em brings us the origins of Casper the Friendly Ghost and still manages to traumatize Christine. Meanwhile, Christine dives into the wild story of Jack Gilbert Graham, a truly pre-TSA tale. We also preview a theme song remix a genius listener sent us that is definitely our new live show intro music. And we discuss plans for our Halloween sleepover... and that's why we drink!Please consider supporting the companies that support us!Get 2 months of unlimited access to over 20,000 classes for just .99 cents when you go to www.skillshare.com/drinkGet 15% off your order of $100 or more when you go to www.modcloth.com and use promo code DRINKGet $60 off, that's $20 off you first 3 boxes, when you go to www.hellofresh.com/drink60 and enter promo code DRINK60Get a free stock when you sign up with Robin Hood at drink.robinhood.com

hey um hello ask me why i drink why do you drink because you killed half our listeners last week yeah you fucking killed them we're laughing nervously no i'm not laughing i'm fucking ready to kill you no no and add you to the list i survived the culling barely um sorry the culling yeah sorry to everyone who barely made it out of there with yet another doll story i don't look i didn't know what i walked into i just this is what happens when i do thorough research all right this is this is why we need punishment we all get their like weakest, like not much sleep, not like fully formed ideas. When I don't try, no one dies. So let's put that on a shirt.

When I don't try, no one dies. Yep. Or when I try, everyone fucking dies. That will be on the back of the shirt. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. It was rough.

And like, I'm just going to be honest and a little selfish here. I'm a little bitter because I had been like saving the Zodiac for long and then half the people wrote us like oh yeah i quit halfway through m story i couldn't listen to the episode and i was like but my story is in there too which is weird like we both like threw up we hit it out of the ballpark i mean you did i just kind of got i mean we both did i just like awkwardly upstaged you without knowing i'm used to it i think the grim reaper upstaged you it wasn't i mean no one i think a certain someone little awkwardly upstaged you without knowing i'm used to it i think the grim reaper upstaged you it wasn't i mean no i think a certain someone little baby doll upstaged me and i'm not gonna be upset about it because i he's so handsome we um before we get a bunch of emails no one has actually physically died no correct no but knock on wood i think mentally many have given up and

also also many have crashed their cars so yeah everyone just can we just make it a rule just stop listening to us when you're driving and also like stop losing its downloads by killing everyone like okay i apologize to you this this time is not at all does that make it better yeah a lot of people were like please stop with the dolls yeah i was like i don't have any say i did say i told allison last night i was like between both of't have any say. I did say, I told Allison last night, I was like, between both of those dolls and the, I'm going to say it wrong, the Ace Wongs? The Ace Wongs? Ace Wands?

I don't, like, we've gotten 8 million people saying, I'm from the Philippines, this is how you say it, and they're different. So, between those three, I think I've pretty much nailed it for a while, so I'm, like, down to sit back and, like, tell some more chill stories. Just chill for a little bit. So, if you guys, like, liked the adrenaline rush, it's time to take a break. Like, we're all going to slow down. It it's gonna still be creepy don't worry we'll pick it back up eventually but i think i can't handle this energy and by the way since i'm like the

stepsister of the podcast like you can listen to mine you can listen to mine too it's a little creepy i promise there's murderers there yeah if you want yeah i just um in hindsight now should have put a disclaimer i know everyone keeps saying m should have put a disclaimer i'm like okay to be fair there was no real well also to be fair up until my current research it's like the end of the story was supposed to be a happy one and that like oh he released the souls and now there's no like no way it's haunting us anymore and then all these people wrote in stories saying, oh, I was still affected by the doll anyway. And so I was like, why are people still feeling this way if the doll was relinquished from these spirits? And then Eva told us after the episode was released.

Guess what? Guess, guys. That apparently. Guess who messaged us? The owner, Anthony himself, not only messaged us, but also listened to the episode himself. Yeah. Oops. Sorry.

Sorry that I joked about your toxic masculinity. Competitive males in your life. himself not only messaged us but also listened to the episode himself yeah oops sorry sorry that i joked about uh your toxic masculinity competitive males in your life oops um but eva told us that she trickled back into his twitter and found out that um apparently the process of releasing the souls as i had mentioned and the happy ending i had mentioned actually did not go as planned and there are still things kept within the doll which makes sense why everyone felt things and it kind of paralleled with you telling the story so that's good anyway yeah right before we got on stage uh on our live show this weekend yeah like within an hour or two of us being on a stage i saw the tweet from harold the doll himself saying hi listening to the the tweet from harold the doll himself saying hi listening

to the episode now literally harold the doll's twitter um vomitous vomitous also wonderful also beautiful handsome sexy no it's a baby okay well technically it's like 60 70 years old so not really technically it's never is it too old or too young never ending because it's a demonic presence i don't know how that works but i don't know just all i know is i'm crossing my chest biblically i don't know uh also by the way speaking of live shows guys before you forget today our tickets for boston our second show go up and this is huge this is our biggest show ever it's going to be like just even if you are planning on coming to see us at the winery please buy second tickets because we have been saying i have been saying non-stop don't blame me

that the more tickets that you buy the bigger venues we get but then those venues also have to be sold out so like they look like they made a good choice and like trusting that we could get people to these big venues we sold out our first boston show within a couple hours and a couple people, a couple people, a lot of people have been like, Hey, I missed my chance to get tickets. Now's your chance. Go buy them. They're on sale today. Get them before they sell out. Uh, also I don't know if New York's still available. We just announced New York today as it's Thursday today when we record. And so hopefully Sunday, there's still tickets left. Um, if not just like fly to boston for the weekend and truly please i please please please come to the boston show because freaking out listen it's it's the it's

the anxiety within me and i just want to make my mom proud okay all right we're all gonna make linda proud i want to see that theater as packed as possible and there is the wine opening listen you brought me to inaugural wine you've. You've driven me to drink. Wow. You're not the first. Okay, sorry. So you can find tickets at andthat'swhywedrink.com. Also, as we're saying this, they're still available, but if they are no longer available

by the time the show comes out, sorry that we led you on. Then there's more coming. But then that means you should just go to the Boston one. Also, just FYI, I've gone back into Twitter and I made a Halloween name. Yeah, I heard. I don't remember what it was. I made a poll and I made everybody vote. And then I immediately disregarded everyone's votes.

You're a lunatic. Yeah. What's your name? Someone said, I love a woman who can topple democracy in one fell swoop. And I was like, me too. My new name is Kryptine Shefear. There it is. And someone suggested that I make a, like a partnering Halloween name called a disembodied foot.

And I thought that was really good. What would my last name be? I guess it looks like it could be spelt skulls. Skulls. I don't know. I don't know. I just like disembodied foot yeah i'm down with that i thought that was pretty clever it's especially on on nose on the

on foot yeah stupid stupid stupid i regret everything um also blah blah blah oh em i have something to play for you is it the sound of you pouring wine? Because I've heard it before. It's the sound of me drinking. It's a sound I know too well. So I'm going to play this for you now. This is from Kai, who sent this to us and said, like, whatever you do with this, just like, I hope you enjoy it. And Eva sent it and was like, OMG, guys, listen to this.

And I was in a Trader Joe's and I just stopped in the frozen food aisle, sat down in the basket and just like stared at the floor while i listened because i just was so blown away okay ready okay so let's crack it sorry i feel like a kid that's about to give a presentation that he has no idea we just flew in from los angeles And boy, are my arms tired. Fun fact, he was a wonton. Ooh. Listen, English is my first language. Is Tamara home? Whoops. Sassy with me.

Sassy the clown. The clown is showing. Ooh. Funny. Oh, sweet. Finish your drink. And that's why we drink. So that's why we dream. So that's...

Hang on, I have a lot of opinions. I died. I was in Trader Joe's and I dropped my fucking groceries. I was so overwhelmed. Okay, I have a lot of opinions. I think, first of all, that needs to be, like, now our official opening at all the shows. She said, like, if you want, like, please please use it at shows but don't feel pressured to and i was like yes correct that's what's happening also pony in the oh my god are we allowed to use that legally

what for pony yeah it's just a live show it's not like we're okay um okay my neck i my heart i know but this is the third time i've fast and like every hair on my body and sweat gland is like freaking the fuck out right now my palms are sweaty knees weak arms are heavy i can't handle this i feel like english is my first language i feel like at one point i hate myself at one point it just kind of sounded like i imagine like your drunk memory flashback correct that's me my memory of every episode. It just sounded like you traveling back to try and understand any reference. Yes.

That is the amalgamation of what I remember from this entire year long podcast. Genius. I mean, the fact that they found like, don't be sassy with me, sassy the clown. And then she's like, oh, even if you just listen, like, hope you enjoy. And I was like, how much time did I take to travel back to all of those episodes, find the exact clips and then mash them together perfectly english isn't my first language maybe i don't know sassy clown what there's other uh i literally heard myself in there go that was comfortable we don't even like make fun of but that's just so like it's a sound i didn't

even know i made it and now it's in my own theme song now they just have to add vomitus and then we're good but i just was so like blown away by that there's that and then the song finished i mean people are so talented i can't deal with it i mean that's i mean kai i think you just created our like live show theme song so congratulations i would agree he was like nodding he was like oh yeah well that's already settled yeah so like don't worry we've decided i don't know how to perform after hearing that that was i think we'll both just sit there in silence and be like sweaty i don't know i feel like when i heard the theme song at first i thought you were saying like oh listen to this and i was like i fucking heard this before and then all of a sudden i heard like the remix sound and i was like i'm i'm jarred yeah listen

to our fucking intro music for the 800 millionth time m um okay you really must have thought i was having a mental break. And you were like, okay, Christine. Yeah, this is very amazing. I did think that for about a second. I was like, wow, this sounds genius. We should make it our theme song. Good job.

But actually, we should make that our theme song. No, I'm okay. Good. Glad you're on board because I'm just so into it. And I meant to send it to you this week. And then I was like, well, and it came today. And I was like, I might as well just play it on the show and like see a live reaction no i'm so stoked for that to actually be i'm not kidding that's gonna be like in a live show and i purposely didn't yeah i think so

let's just send it to venues let's agree to that now okay eva says thumbs up we're also gonna have to come up with some sort of montage of us talking through it i think like a video like a visual oh you mean we need to choreograph ourselves to this intro i think it should just be like you drinking wine and then just like we'll just throw pictures of Gio in. I don't know me drinking wine. That seems like a lot of work. And then me and Eva like cowering in a corner. Okay. So like the usual.

Yeah. Although remember when we went to the My Dad Wrote a Porno live show and they had like a little intro video. Their intro was genius. It was hilarious. Their intro, they have like quotes from celebrities talking about how fucking bananas their show is like like rocky flintstone elijah wood is like this is bananas yeah and it was like rocky flintstone like author of a generation like they just have this crazy like music and maybe we make a little show like a slideshow well what they had was they originally started by like it was really really serious and they showed like

oh greatest like cultural events of the world and like chronological picture of started by like it was really really serious and they showed like oh greatest like cultural events of the world and like chronological time of the earth and it was like it was intense the beginning of earth and then like like that's right and then like man walks serious war yeah like man walked on the moon and like marluther king with his i have a dream speech yes and then all of a sudden it turned to like 2015 and then it said rocky flint so my dad wrote a point or something like that or chapter one belinda blinked and then and then like it says like finally porn is live you guys genius if you don't listen to my dad reporter you're making a big mistake you're really just wasting all of your free time please you have better

things to do and it's called listening to that show and and ours we've already well after ours don't leave yet okay yeah after that um anyway so i wanted to i'm flabbergasted okay so i feel like this started off on a great foot yeah now like no pressure that was like as long as you don't bring any fucking demons into the house no i you're gonna like this one yeah you seem really peppy what is it because i decided that we've had quite a lot of bad juju lately really in my fucking blaze was at the live show and was like and i guess i realized on stage that i had never mentioned like by the way we fucking talked about this haunted demonic doll and the emf reader went crazy and it's probably in our house six feet from our bedroom and a painting got thrown at me and a painting got thrown off the wall and i mentioned a blade or i've said on the stage like oh like i was like yeah now there's

a demon in christine's house and i was like oh yeah blaze sorry i haven't like told you i mean we should talk about this everyone laughs and i was like no that like really a habit it's like no but really blaze is getting a second beer Blaze is like, bring more Also, I've mentioned it a lot to Allison She has not asked a single question I'm kind of offended About what? Like I've brought up the like Shit is officially happening in this room

When we tell these stories But see, Blaze doesn't care either He hasn't asked me one question either Why are we with people that don't care? He lives here That's why we have to pay Eva to pretend That's how we found each other, dummy Because we didn't have people to pay Eva to pretend

Yeah, also that We have to pay you to pretend. Yeah. Also that. We have to pay money to make people care about these things. Okay. So you're going to like this and everyone's going to like this and everyone's going to breathe

and everyone's going to hang out and have a good time. I fucking hope so. Because we have had a lot of bad juju and I was like, okay, we need to tone it down. Eva brought a fucking

like cinnamon broom from Trader Joe's. The room smells like fall. We're desperate for anything and all. Like comfort. She literally brought like wine and cinnamon, like just everything comforting. And Christine gave me a sandwich. Like I'm very zen right now.

I was like, here, let me present you with this. Anyway, sorry. So we are going to do, I'm just, it's not one whole story, but it's a series of different stories I found on the internet that I'm going to read. Ooh, I like these. And a little bit of history in the beginning, but I'm, it's a culmination, if you will, of friendly ghosts. Oh my God.

You literally went and found friendly ghosts. And who is friendlier than Casper? So here's the history of Casper the Friendly Ghost. That movie made me cry though as a kid oh yeah actually it's like actually deep lip-syncing let's not talk about it or do we have to talk well we're gonna okay okay but we're starting like 60 years before that okay great so wow i don't think i know anything about this i i mean it's not as wild as i wished it was i was thinking like oh this is gonna get weird i don't know why i just hoped for it mean, you always say that about everything. It wasn't as weird as I wanted,

but it's still kind of cute and adorable and a little dark. There is a twist. Okay. It's going to, you'll have a good time. Just listen. It's worth it. So Casper was created in the late 1930s by two friends named Seymour and Joe. AKA Emma and Christine. Yeah. I like how you knew what I was getting at. And I didn't want to interrupt because i've interrupted eight times already but i did anyway it was originally going to be a children's storybook that was supposed to come out in 1939 but there was little interest probably because of the depression uh kids love dead people were already pretty upset we're in poverty okay uh no there just wasn't a lot of interest so one of them had to go off and fight in world war ii and he was like okay we'll release the book when i come back oh boy and while he was

gone his friend sold the rights to paramount shut the fuck up so casper the rights to casper got sent to paramount pictures animation division and in 1945 there was a cartoon short created called the friendly ghost oh in this adaptation casper originally had a new york accent 1945, there was a cartoon short created called The Friendly Ghost. Aww. In this adaptation, Casper originally had a New York accent. I love that. Love a good fun fact. Love a good fun fact. Love a good paranormal fun fact. Fun fact.

In some of the shows, because it was called The Friendly Ghost. It wasn't called Casper the Friendly Ghost. Okay. So they would say, like, ghost featuring like casper the friendly ghost or in some of the other shows they would or in some of the like i guess when they were testing it out um the credits also changed originally to the friendly ghost featuring casper's friendly ghost which is kind of a little more fucked up in my mind it just makes it reminds me that he's not like he was previously human right right casper was an. And then now he has a Casper's ghost because he has died.

OK, if we if I die first and we're still in the middle of this podcast, can you start featuring me as M's ghost? And then we'll just have the EMF kind of. I won't necessarily add the the word friendly, but we'll see. Hungry is more like a hungry ghost. So the original story is not what i expected okay the original story has casper living in a haunted house a communal haunted home along with a community of adult ghosts who enjoy scaring the living so think of like hey arnold if you will

um i like yeah i get it i know i know but does it make sense sure um it's like a like a hey arnold living scenario but ghosts sure so he lives with a bunch of random adults all in one building okay but they're all ghosts and they for sport scare people um okay he decides one day that he is done with scaring people so he packs his bags and leaves and hopes to have a change of heart and begin to find friends instead of scare them. Casper, what an angel. Non-conformist. Right.

So the original story is he wanted to go find friends, and so he tries to find animals to be friends with, but everyone that sees him gets scared and runs away. Gio will be your friend. No, he's a Scorpio. I don't know about that. Gio, I said it, and I was like, I am lying, and I know it. So very upset that nobody wants to be his friend casper attempts suicide what reminder he's already dead so i don't know what his game plan was like he wasn't he didn't think it through but anyway

he tried to commit suicide uh okay he attempts suicide by lying down on a railway track very 30s way to die by the way wait i've seen this have you yes i have this on vhs because everything you're saying i'm just like yeah it's like flooding back yeah does it sound kind of like that theme song where it's all like kind of in and out i hear the train yeah yeah it's like um english is my first language no i remember him laying himself on the train track and he had like a stick and yeah a bindle it's called oh a bindle yeah he had a bindle and he um like laid on the train track and when i was like seven my mom was like here enjoy this film and like here's a ghost trying to be dead again um because the afterlife is still not what you want even after you die

it's still not great your spirit will always be restless and never happy. Exactly. So. And that is our podcast. So he attempts suicide by lying down on a railroad track. The fuck? Before an oncoming train. And before the train comes, he meets two little kids named Bonnie and Johnny.

Right. And they were the first two people who were not afraid of him. Aww. So Bonnie and Johnny take him home. I love Bonnie and Johnny. And their mom, it's suggested that they're very poor, by of him. Aww. So Bonnie and Johnny take him home. I love Bonnie and Johnny. And their mom, it's suggested that they're very poor, by the way. Okay.

The mom is at first scared of Casper, but while he's there, he accidentally scares the landlord. And the landlord is so scared to have a haunted home that he rips up the mortgage. Oh my God. And just gives them the house. And so then all of a sudden, Bonnie and Johnny's mom is stoked to have a haunted home that he rips up the mortgage oh my god and just gives them the house and so then all of a sudden bonnie and johnny's mom is stoked to have a free home and then takes

casper in to be one of the family i mean okay you at that point you can't turn him away so that's the original original story i think please tell me he still has a new york accent in that film i think in that one he did that would be great he did in the first couple shorts because i actually went back and watched a few of these last night. Oh, you did? Did you see that one? No. No.

That was in front of a Casper movie, and they played one of the original... Precious. Yeah. Precious, by the way. But it was so fucked up that it traumatized me, because it was like, now he will kill himself. Anyway, now watch this fun Casper 2002 movie. So Casper later appeared in two more cartoon shorts both of which i watched

one was called a hunting we will a haunting we will go that's the one okay so maybe that's the name of the first one that's the one that the movie was of and then they played that other one before the haunting we will go yes and then the other one which was my personal favorite was called good booze tonight which which is also Christine's theme every night. And in Good Booze Tonight, which we have, I think. I don't know if I've seen that one. Since the 30s, I think you've renamed it to just Trader Joe's boxed wine. Good Booze Every Night.

The tone is very dark, as the original one was. It's like, it's sad, but it's also kind of adorable. Oh, is it with the other ghosts? No. Oh. You need to calm down. I'm telling the telling the story i'm so amped sorry um so he again basically the theme since the 30s has been casper's trying to find friends but everyone's afraid of him so yet again in this episode the same thing happens and he tries to make friends everyone's afraid of him until he meets this little fox out in the woods and And the fox is very, very cute.

And basically they decide that they're best friends. And then a hunter comes and tries to shoot the fox. This is the one that traumatized me. Casper also named the fox Ferdy. Fergy with a D. Basically, Casper tries to scare the hunter away so that he'll stop chasing Ferdy. But, alas, Ferdy is shot or dies from exhaustion. They do not which one but in the middle of the chase scene he passes away they kill the fox they kill his one and only friend that he's ever had who was never afraid of him I mean it's really it's really fucked up

but actually bringing a lot of childhood trauma back into my life I was trying to do something I know you were and now you're talking about well so it's like morbidly adorable i'll call it a morbidly okay a morbidle i mean i'm there with you but i don't know if anyone else will be but i'm there so then he next to his own grave because casper lives in a graveyard next and he sleeps by his grave and next to his grave he makes a little grave for ferdy and then that night when casper is crying about ferdy the ghost of Ferdy crawls out of the ground. And Casper and Ferdy, now both ghosts, are eternal friends. I will never forget when he's crying and he like rubs up on him. Yeah.

And he like looks open. It's very tragic for a five-year-old. But in like my fucked up brain where I'm like jaded to all this stuff now. It's precious. You're right. Now it's like just so sweet. But back then I i remember being like they just shot that sweet little dog fox and then the ghost is like sobbing because it's his only friend and oh he has to go back to his grave where he lives and now the fox is buried in a grave next to him like it was so traumatizing i mean i'm not

saying it's still 100 awesome i mean i'm not saying everyone who's over the age of 35 is like so beyond fucked up because of the media they consume but whatever so in early shorts um such as that one casper lived next to his grave the grave itself was inscribed with casper so that is a different storyline than the more recent storyline basically kids um began looking for an explanation around the 40s or 50s once casper started getting really big they started asking questions about how he became a ghost and they were like what how did he die question how did he die why is he a ghost but then they didn't want to say hey the main character of a children's show like has a tragic past sure so in the 60s oh but he tries to kill himself but that's okay right i

think they like nixed that off of the screen a couple decades later maybe they they brought it back later no so in the 60s they released an announcement explaining casper's being a ghost holy shit but you can tell they didn't want to say like oh he had to have died to become a ghost so their their reasoning for him being a ghost was casper is a ghost because both of his parents were ghosts and they were married basically birds and the bees that's like the laziest way for a parent to even describe like how a child mommy ghost and a daddy ghost loved each other so much that they got married first and then had a baby ghost.

And it just was there. There's no other explanation. So, um, so I, I say that he. I love that it's like they had, he had married parents. That's the moral of the story. Which by the way, we never see. We have, he has married parents that abandoned him. That's the sole purpose of this whole story.

So, um. Holy shit. So people were wondering, okay, is he, is he a ghost because mommy and daddy made a ghost? Or is he a ghost because he died at a young age? And is now like restless forever. And is now a restless ghost. So people were comparing original storylines. And originally, although they put out that statement saying he was born a ghost right

because he has his own grave that's inscribed with casper on it that he lives next to it suggests that he had to have died for there to be a grave like a real life right so good point he also they uh a different another thing about how they've changed the storyline since is that in our upbringing of casper in that movie everyone saw casper as a ghost like saw him as a see-through yellow or see-through white ghost like a shape of a translucent ghost shape um but originally he was invisible and he needed to disguise himself to be seen by human eyes because in a lot of the episodes he would have to dunk himself in paint or put on a tablecloth and then once he scrubbed them off he would be invisible.

Right. Okay. Which is actually more sad in my mind because that means he was so lonely that he wanted people to see him. And they would just get scared, but he just wanted... It's really fucked up, you guys. But like I said, in the live action movie in 95, people were able to see him without any visual help.

And so... And they also address his death. So... I don't think i ever saw that movie you never saw i only saw the vhs of like the 60s version or you never saw the christina reaching version christine you would cry so hard that's such a great movie guys when i watched casper as a kid he was like trying to commit suicide and so when i the movie came out and i was well i think all the people who were raised with that realized how fucked up it was and then

they grew up and when they were like ministry i created this and i think at that and i was well i think all the people who were raised with that realized how fucked up it was and then they grew up and when they were like film ministry and created this and i think at that point i was already like listen i can't even watch anymore we'll watch that together maybe we should let's just say we're going to so we don't get so many emails no i will um i will i will no it's it's actually one of my favorite i remember it being out and maybe i did see it i just don't remember it you'll really like it i promise you'll like it i think i i might have i don't know but i'll watch it so uh we'll have a halloween sleepover this isn't like ruining anything for you um no spoilers but uh but so in what i assume is that the people that watched the 30s version realized how fucked up it was and so grew up and created the 90s version,

the movie that you and I would have grown up with. Casper is visible to the naked eye. Right. And they address his death, which is at 12 years old, Casper McFadden got a sled for Christmas from his father, JT. Oh, my God. This is already sounding dark, but okay. He was so excited about his sled that he went out sledding all night long after it was dark and when he came back he got a cold and died from pneumonia okay i was like did

he crash into a tree like this really sounds like it's gonna be worse than it is so that was how he died not that it's god never mind so in the 1950s there was a series called casper the friendly ghost which is probably the most notorious version of him oh Oh, boy. And then the 1960s on ABC, there was another show called The New Casper Cartoon Show. People were into this in the, like, what, 40s through 60s? Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. All right.

But that's, like, psychologically analyzing this. But so that's the footnotes of Casper the Ghost. Wowza. That's a footnote. Leave it to my German parents to be like, no, you don't need to see this fun 1994 version. Oh, no, it's a blast. You need to see the version where he tries to kill himself and also his friend gets shot. I like how there are two options and they were like, no, no, let's go with this.

And my parents were like, I know you are alive in 1995, but instead. Let's keep it basic. Why don't you just keep rewatching this one where his friend gets shot? So I think I've also addressed this, but for the sake of talking about friendly ghosts and trying to bring some uh knowledge about everyone listening i think i have brought this up but i want to say it again because i still think it's interesting and i didn't cover it very in depth last time but the history of the word boo and why ghosts say boo no i don't think you've i'm i think maybe we said this maybe i said to someone you might have told me i just don't think you've... I think maybe we said this... Maybe I said it to someone.

You might have told me. I just don't remember. So, um... I'm very curious. The earliest written record of boo comes from 1738. When someone's like, you're my boo. I'm sorry. Yeah, that was so stupid.

I'm sorry. I regret it. That wasn't even 1938. That wasn't even 2015. I regret it. So, in 1738, an author named gilbert crocat he says that boo was the word used in the north of scotland to frighten crying children why what why are you frightening crying children they're already frightened the cycle of trauma begins in the

1700s okay great so like probably 200 years later when casper came out they were like oh this is nothing right i mean yeah so um holy shit the oxford english dictionary says that boo comes from either the latin word boar i know i'm fucking it up guys b-o-a-r-e boar boar or the greek boane okay and both of them mean to cry aloud roar or shout so literally when when a ghost says boo they're actually saying i am yelling or i am like i am roaring roar yeah i'm roaring got it i kind of love that i am roaring i am loud but that actually that kind of relates to casper i feel like he's like i don't know how to be scary i am roaring i am loud but that actually that kind of relates to casper i feel like he's like i don't know how to be scary i am i'm friendly i am loud i am loud and friendly i want a friend

so um just wanted to throw that in i can't remember when i've said that before i mean maybe you've mentioned it but i don't think we've like i looked at it i know i looked it up for a preview show and i don't know if it ever got into that episode so i'm saying it now so sorry if you had to hear it twice but I'm not because I wanted to hear it again so I gave you some info about Casper and I gave you the history of Boo I'm now going to read some of the

stories of other friendly ghosts that have been documented I love this this is like Halloween-y but not like super creepy you know it's like listen we none of us need any more creepy no I tried to find things where everyone would go aww so far not really successful you've like traumatized re-traumatized me but it's okay it's not my fault i don't know what a german upbringing is until i mentioned something we talked about krampus you should know you should know i was asking for that one but listen i'm

gonna see my therapist on tuesday we'll chat. I'll get over it. So this is a house I'm going to cover eventually, so I'm not going to really harp on it. But there's one house in Memphis called the Woodruff Fontaine Mansion. Oh, it sounds fancy. It is. It's on like Millionaire Acres or something. Oh, sure. That sounds like a Monopoly street.

So a woman who lived there, her name was Molly Woodruff, and she is apparently a very friendly ghost. Ever since she lived there, the mansion has now become a museum. And once the house became a museum and she had passed away, people started to notice that she was around because they would be given gentle directions through the house if they were lost. Oh my God. They would feel someone guide them by their elbow. Wow.

She will comfort lost children. Oh my goodness. the house if they were lost oh my god they would feel someone guide them by their elbow wow she will comfort lost children oh my goodness she will clean the rooms and make the beds okay now i really am into this that is as far as i want to go into that currently i i do love that and i feel like since i'm someone who gets lost even in my own home like it'd be really handy to be fair you have quite a tricky home like when i when you first moved in it took me a couple times to figure out the way out into like closets instead of the bathroom well it looks like there's a closet in one bathroom and then it leads to a different hallway yeah my brother's it's wild it's very weird it's almost like secret passages but not really we can pretend also you have like a cellar that absolutely someone died in all right come on

um stop bringing remember we're doing happy ghosts let's uh yeah we're not talking about the like weird crayola sketches from the 30s that are etched into your basement door to be fair walt and gape are very friendly ghosts that are here so there's another spirit named avery that lives in louisville louisville louisville yeah there you go so there's a spirit named avery and louville i'm trying too hard in the pink palace oh he protects those who live there like if you're ever in danger he'll warn you beforehand so one woman said that she ran out of her bathroom because she got scared when she saw him but had she not seen him she would have been within like the distance and within the range of a giant stone

that got violently thrown through her window and would have killed her shit so she got like worn away like he intentionally scared her so she would leave and not be within shit why wait okay was it like a person throwing it was like from the wall i don't know the backstory i just know someone threw a stone and he protected her from getting hit wow okay oh and also a lot of the residents there have been warned of fires before they actually broke out oh shit um which is like an apartment or is it like it's like it's like a i think a complex oh okay and then there's another ghost from the civil war named jenny jenny wade and she was a midwife this is by the way if i'm ever gonna be a ghost here it is gonna

be a midwife calm down it's like i wouldn't think you'd want just hang in there you'll you'll you'll let me know when you find the part i'm talking about so i'm mad you guys jenny this is what you get for last week so jenny wade was a midwife during the time of the civil war and she would make bread for the soldiers every morning oh um one morning she was struck by a stray bullet and died fuck while she still had bread dough in her hands holy fuck after that day people not only see her but they smell bread baking they can hear her kneading dough and when she appears it's often to people who are sad and she will give them hugs and rub their back and bread and no she eats the bread though that's what i would do that's really sweet don't rub my back if you're a ghost sorry i know that's but

you know she's got good she's quite she's kneading she knows how to knead that's a very good point she knows how to rub a back you're making an incredibly good point so and here's the one you're gonna love for the rest of your life and you're gonna wish she could get a whole story i'm so ready this is the pinnacle of and that's why we drink everybody here it is stop pull over your car take out a notepad this is the pinnacle in 1897 it's like when the professor says this is going to be on the quiz you guys pay attention no but really this is like if our our paranormal and true crime venn diagram i've found the center oh shit okay i'm ready in 1897 a woman named elva zona heaster shoe okay okay i'm on board she was found dead in her home. Oh, okay. Not good.

Her death appeared to be complications from pregnancy. Oh, shit. But after she died, her mother began getting dreams that Elva was visiting her. Oh, fuck. In her dreams, Elva would tell her the death had not been natural and that her husband, Edward, was to blame. Oh, my God. I have chills. The ghost said that Edward had broken her neck and he was regularly abusive in their relationship.

Somehow, I don't know how, but the mother, I mean, obviously the mother took it seriously, but she went to the police and talked to them about this. They believed her. This was a very understanding community for 1897. The police believed her this was a very understanding community for 1897 the police believed her psychic dreams that so they exhumed the body wow and found out that the neck was broken and the windpipe had been collapsed holy fuck so elva's husband edward holy shit guilty of murder and sentenced to life in prison and it's the only time a ghost testimony has ever been used in convicting a murder holy shit and that will be on the quiz i have this i have a story bookmark called ghost convicts murder whatever and like

i remember maybe like two years ago i found it like before when we were first starting the show and it's my first bookmark in our folder in our and that's what we drink and i remember reading it being like oh this isn't really like enough of a story for me to do like maybe and we'll bring it up sometime it's all coming back now because it's the first it's like first time ghost convicts yeah murder or whatever and i remember thinking that there's not enough for me to do a story on and i didn't even know the story i just remember thinking like i'm just gonna keep this because people keep sending it to me and And now it's here. It's made it.

So now I've got quick little stories that I found online of other people that enjoyed ghosts. Bonkers, dude. I am just, this is my jam. So these are other friendly ghosts. This is actually, I think this is all from one website. I think it was like a list of like top 10 stories. So I'm going to be reading them verbatim because this is how they were typed into that into that account. So in case anyone's wondering.

Okay, so one of them says, my best friend was new to the area and her brother committed suicide within the first few days of their move. I had never actually met him. But one day she says, my brother would have really loved you. I asked her what he looked like. And she told me he always made her feel better when she was down when she would go to her room and cry he'd come sit on her bed and pet her hair until she went to sleep ever since my first visit to that house i would feel a presence in the room a pressure on the bed and someone stroked my hair until i fell asleep so that's kind it's kind one is, my son was four and a half and his sister was 18 months.

I said I was really sorry I wouldn't be able to read them a story that night as I had a meeting to go to, but I would read two the following night to make up. My son said, it's okay, Mama. Auntie Tracy will read to us. Oh, my God. I said, who? And he said, Auntie Tracy, Mama, she looks just like you. After we go to bed, she reads and sings.

She reads and sings to us. I had never told them that I was an identical twin and my sister was still stillborn and her name was Tracy. Isn't that nice? Holy God. That's so nice. Another one says, aren't you going to say hi to Uncle Chris? Said my three yearyear-old. Jesus Christ.

Good start. Aren't you going to say hi to Uncle Chris, said my three-year-old when I was watching her jumping on the trampoline. Uncle Chris drowned in the lake nine years ago before she was ever born and nobody talks about him in my family. Oh my God. I asked her where he was and she pointed to the garage and said, he tells me to be careful when I'm jumping. I am. I can't. Holy shit.

Isn't that awesome? Yes, it is awesome. See, look, look at all the good feelings we have now. Yay. I know we need more of this in our lives. This one, kind of nice, kind of fucked up. When I was around six years old, my dad's best friend committed suicide. We'll call him Joe for the sake of the story. Joe's sister apparently had been blaming joe's wife for her brother's suicide

a few days after joe committed suicide his widow called up my father sobbing about how she thought it was all her fault after about an hour of trying to console her my dad said if there was a way for me to talk to joe right now i guarantee you he would tell you that he loved you and that it Oh my god. My dad enters my room and says, Matt, what's up? Why are you crying? It's then that I stop crying for a moment, look up at him with teary eyes and say, Rick, it's not her fault. I love her. It's not her fault. With that, I stopped crying, rolled over back into my bed and went back to sleep. Now I'm going to cry.

Oh my God. But also possessed child. I mean, so terrifying, but also comforting child so i mean so terrifying but also comforting question mark another one is my three-year-old nephew was at my cottage he's asked me numerous times about the girl over there while pointing at one of my back bedrooms the place is small and there is definitely nobody there so i just dismiss it as if he has a really active imagination. Then some friends were visiting, and they have a daughter around the same age.

She had never met my nephew, so they have never spoken. Twice in one day, she asked about the pretty girl while pointing in the exact same room, and she said the pretty girl really loves us. Then at Christmas, my family was over at my place, and my nephew pointed at a picture of my wife and said, is the pretty girl finally coming to visit us at this house, or does she just stay at the cottage? Holy fuck. What the fuck, Em? Why are you doing this? Another one is,

Another one is when I was running a youth exchange program, one of my host families had twin daughters about five years old at the time. One of the girls could see people's auras and also fairies that lived in the plants in and around the house. Mom totally believed, but the dad didn't. One morning when the dad was alone, he said to the plant in the kitchen, hey, if you're real and good energy and you mean no harm to us at dinner tonight tell my daughter to tell me the word green that night at dinner his daughter was looking at the plant as usual then came over to her dad and said daddy the fairy wanted me to tell you green no way the fuck then i wanted to close on a celebrity one. Oh, interesting. Dale Earnhardt Jr. My favorite celebrity.

The one we love on this podcast. Believes that a ghost saved his life after a serious crash in 2004. Really? During a race, his car spun off the track and hit a wall catching on fire, and footage shows that the driver was sitting motionless in his car as it burst into flames, but then crawled out of the car on his own. However, he was later making a statement and said, when I wrecked the car in 2004, it caught fire and somebody pulled me out of that car.

I thought it was a worker because I felt somebody put their arms under my armpit, their hands under my armpits and pull me out of the car. I did not get out no matter what the footage says. I remember going to lean forward to try and climb out and someone stopped me by grabbing me under the armpits pulled me up over the door bars and then let me go until i fell to the ground holy shit but the footage says otherwise but he's like that did not happen which is weird i mean i mean you've heard of things before where they can manipulate technology. That's fascinating. And the fact that he's not like, oh, adrenaline hoisted me out of the car and I pulled myself out.

It's like, no, someone else is there. Yeah. And they say, I've read stuff about when people say, I heard my, when I was close to death or whatever, I heard a voice sayingicing, like you have to live, you have to survive or whatever. And I've like read like differing stories of like, oh, that's your own, like, um, survival instincts, like kicking in and like kind of creating like a, you have to survive. Right. And like, whether that's like a guardian angel or just your own like consciousness, I think it's really fascinating. But the fact that like, it was a physical manifestation of that. And it's just, and I mean, he like remembers someone like hoisting i mean a large man out of a burning car like you don't just like kind of drag someone out like you really have

to he said he pulled them out of like basically the window oh my god i wouldn't even be surprised if you didn't even remember that and let alone like oh no there's another person there yeah oh that's wild but yeah glad you survived dale holy shit anyway there are some friendly ghosts and what the fuck dude no one can be mad at me anymore i remember people used to say that i always said what the fuck m like through the stories and i was like i don't really say that in the last three weeks i've said that phrase more than i have in like the entire series of the show i I asked for it. So. I mean, you've kind of set yourself up for that. All right.

All right. Welcome back. So Em was like, hey, let me show you some happy ghosts. And then made us watch the Casper thing that traumatized me as a child. So we're here and I'm in a great place mentally. And listen, we're not going to call my therapist, but. Just talk about your murder. That'll make you feel better.

Will it? I don't think so. This is the story of Jack Gilbert Graham. I do not know him. It was not the one. Okay. It was like, I think I know who you're going to talk about, but maybe not. So we don't.

No. Okay. Nice try, Eva. talk about but maybe not so we don't no okay got it nice try eva because i just mentioned that i had originally heard the story on my favorite murder like a year ago or over a year ago or something gotcha and so she was trying to like play back and see if she could guess it so this is the story of jack gilbert graham i like i said heard about this on my favorite murder a long time ago then stumbled upon it and watched um an episode of investigation discoveries a crime to remember on this topic season one episode four and um it is a wild ride can't wait as emions so can't wait this is what i'm saying maybe we

should start switching off who goes first because i feel like every time i go you're already like you know what though if this is the last time we're doing this at night though if we do it during the day i'm not gonna be lying fair so 87 episodes in finally i'm correct the case finally i won't yawn through my story okay this is the story of john jack gilbert graham he was born on january 23rd 193232. Okay. Shit. What? I didn't do a horoscope. I put it at the end and then I didn't search it.

Oh. Is he a Capricorn? No, that's not Capricorn. That is Aquarius. Yeah. Thank you. If you could find one that kind of like fits this. You're the best.

Okay. So he is an Aquarius. Um, I do love a good Aquarius. So I do love an Aquarius. Me too. I feel like Gemini and Aquarius are a good match. Gemini's like the A's and the L's and don't like the S's.

Right. But apparently whatever. Yeah. Aquarius is good. Aquarius is good. Let's just leave it at that. Um, so he's born in Denver, Colorado, 1932.

He was born as the second child of Daisy Graham during the height of the Great Depression, which, by the way, we've talked about the Great Depression more than... We've literally... I think we talked about the Great Depression for about 20 minutes before we started recording. Then I brought up the Depression and Casper, and now I'm bringing up the Depression. All the way... All the way. By the way, I found out from my father a while ago ago i think i'm i this may or may not be right but um my great-grandfather and his family during the depression sold pencils and like

half-eaten apples like apple cores right just to make a penny or two what a wild story yeah i i cannot imagine can you imagine them like selling apple cards instead of road and being like someday our our uh we're gonna make it our descendants will sit in a fucking room with air conditioning eating candy and talking about like how horrible my life was while nervous laughing like talking about hilarious ghost cartoons that traumatized everyone right right right they're happening at the same time as this how fucked up man Like talking about hilarious ghost cartoons that traumatized everyone. Right, right, right. They're happening at the same time as those.

How fucked up, man. So he was born during the height of the Great Depression and his father. Great time to have a baby. Great time. Great depression. Great time. Great everything. Great.

I mean, why use the word great? Okay. It doesn't matter. So his father died of pneumonia in 1937. Like Casper. Correct. Maybe his dad was Casper. Oh. I don't know his name.

Oh. Casper Graham? No. Nope. Okay. So 1937. So Daisy sent him, Jack, her son, to an orphanage due to their poverty because she couldn't take care of him.

Right. They were like selling their children back then, right? Well, I don't think it was necessarily like selling their children. Well, I know there's orphanages, but there was also, I remember seeing a picture in my history book growing up that like they actually had like children for sale and would leave their children on the stoop and were like so desperate for money. They just thought like, yikes, our kids will be better off with someone else with money. Please give us money and take care of our children. It was very fucked up. But also like I had a history book that called the Civil War, the War war the war of northern aggression so like i don't really know how accurate it is

um buy one get one apple course hashtag virginia so it's fine purchase of one child whoops oh anyway may or may not be true it might we might have to like take it to snopes or something okay okay okay we'll see we'll see what everyone fucking sends us we will see whoops okay so we are here he she sent him to an orphanage because she couldn't take care of him she was pretty young i think like in her 20s in 1941 she married and a lot of people were sending their kids to like orphanages or care homes because it was either that or let them starve right you know there's a hard decision but in 1941 daisy married a man named earl king who was a very wealthy rancher and uh she was suddenly living on this ranch she was living a super prosperous life nice yeah like finally had wealth and um

she decided to leave jack at the orphanage and not bring him home i was gonna say did she bring him back or nope okay in fact she left him there for 13 years when daisy's third husband that rancher earl king died and left her his inheritance on top of everything else daisy became a successful businesswoman but despite her newfound wealth she still left jack at the orphanage that is no good no good for 13 years. While she and Jack's older sister, by the way, lived comfortably on the ranch. And the sister got to stay home and live with her. So only one of them is in the orphanage. The other one's got to come back.

Yeah. Yowza. Not good. So it gets worse. Why? I mean, we're only at the beginning of the story. BTW, there's more. Sometimes he would run away from the orphanage because he was like, well, maybe if I go to her.

She'll let me stay. Yeah, she'll let me stay. That's so sad. It's very sad. Wow, we both pick very lonely people. Yeah, it is, huh? Maybe they should have, maybe should have met Casper. So he would leave the orphanage because he was like, well, maybe like she just can't come to me or she can't pick me up.

And he would get all the way to the ranch and then she would send him, call the orphanage and send him back. Oh my God. That's so fucked up. I put a literal frown face because I just couldn't find any words to be like this. Yeah. Like, oh my gosh. Worst mom of the year.

According to the Denver Post, when Jack was eight, his mother had him sent home from the orphanage to celebrate christmas she and she got him a pony oh so you can't have a home or a family but you can have a horse so he got home he got a pony um he was thrilled he was like i'm finally home with my mom and my sister and then after christmas she sent him back to the orphanage without the pony without the pony wow what a fuck you what a fuck you he went home it's like this is actually your sister's pony but we can call it yours for now isn't that rough we'll rewrap it later when you're gone i'll bring you for the holidays it's like it's like it's just beyond like i'll bring you home for a week and then uh you can go back to where you can go home and tell

all the other orphans about how great i am about how you have a pony and they're gonna be like yeah right you have a pony oh and a mom oh and a sister and land bullshit but um no actually you don't but now you're in this orphanage as if right right it's insane so this poor kid is going back and forth and every time he tries to go home his mom like doesn't want him so he's just repeatedly rejected which not pretty not good when he's 16 he forges his id papers and he tries to get into the coast guard but he's discovered and he's kicked out so he's rejected from the coast guard at age 19 he is finally out of the orphanage he forges checks worth four thousand three hundred and five dollars to finance

a road trip but he ends up in jail for two months in texas after he's arrested for bootlegging and running a police roadblock at 100 miles an hour uh-oh you know how you whoops apparently he was like also stealing whiskey and like crossing state borders i don't know i mean he was trying to live a life he listen he acted out a little bit he's had a rough life well do you blame him no not even a little bit to be honest no i'd be like okay same i don't you can't have a family so you might as well have whiskey bootlegging whiskey like i mean you had a rough life i get it so he's extradited to denver his mother pays most of the debt of the check forgery and he's granted probation because his

mom's basically like uh his mom like basically pays to be like, oh, it's not a huge deal. Right. Let him off easy. So he attends the University of Denver on and off. Doesn't complete his degree, but it's just kind of like he's smart enough to like even after all the shit he's gone through, like he gets into college. He's working towards a degree. Hustling. Hustling. He meets his wife and her name is Gloria. In May 1955, he opens the drive-in, like a drive-through restaurant or drive-in where you like drive and you park and people bring you food basically.

And it's called Crown. Like a car park? Is that what you're talking about? No, it's like a restaurant. Like in Greece. Like a Sonic. Oh, okay. Where you like park and they bring your food out.

Got it. Like on maybe rollerblades. I don't know. And that's what's in my head. bring your food out got it like on maybe rollerblades i don't know sure and that's what's in my head the crown a drive-in um and his mother had actually built this place specifically to give him a place to manage wow so you have enough money we were like let's just create a random fucking business um yes so my son that i don't love can have a job but also like you know what could have cost less than that funding himing him at all. Besides that pony.

Giving him the pony and letting him have it for a year. Giving him a pony and a business but not love. Correct. Got it. Yes. So she's like, here, you can manage this restaurant. And, like, after all this shit is like, here, handle it. So, blah, blah, blah.

As you can imagine, like, things aren't easy for them. And they're constantly fighting. And, like, things are are not good and they're arguing in front of employees. And then in the early morning hours of Labor Day of that year, there is an explosion. And the restaurant explodes from a mysterious gas leak. And it turns out police say someone unscrewed a fitting from the main gas line but since the insurance couldn't figure out exactly what happened they reluctantly paid for the damage and the restaurant was never reopened then that same year a couple months later daisy the mother jack's mother announces that even though Jack and his wife, Gloria, just had another child, a baby, and they're trying to like rebuild the family and stuff.

She says, no, I don't want to spend Christmas with you. I'm going to fly to Alaska to be with your sister. Of course. I mean, are we surprised? No, we are not. You and I, you and I are not surprised. I mean, it's still not a good feeling. Like, sure.

You know, she's gotten him this restaurant and she's like trying to, you know, help him be. Oh, she also lived in the basement of his and Gloria's house. So she's basically a tenant in their home. Um, and she's also their landlord and she's also running this business that he manages. So like, she's all in their lives. And then he's like okay we have a new baby and she's like no i don't want to spend christmas with you i don't

want to spend christmas with you i'm going to visit your sister who again was the one who was always at home and got to live at home right yeah when he was in the orphanage and you know there's all that she likes yeah yeah exactly there's also all sorts of uh family issues there so jack takes her to the airport he and his family his wife and his kids walk daisy to the united airlines gate uh he kisses her goodbye daisy has jack go to this is where it gets wild so back in the day airports had these vending machines. Like at all vending machines? Dead vending machines.

Okay. But they sold life insurance. Okay. That was a wild time, I imagine. So basically you would go to the airport and before you got on the plane, you would like put in quarters and buy a life insurance plan. I feel like a plan that's worth quarters is probably not a good plan i mean that's just how it worked you would just get on the plane you'd be like oh put a couple quarters in get a life insurance plan because you never

know uh it's 1955 like planes are kind of new who knows if i'm gonna survive i mean it's very dark right but i also i mean i guess that's smart like i mean it's very dark. Right. But I also, I mean, I guess that's smart. Like, I mean, it's good marketing if you're in an airport and like planes are new and like you are putting yourself in a jet that's going to go like hundreds of miles an hour. Fair. But then you're also reminding everyone like, Hey, by the way, you, you might not survive. Think about your grandkids. Like that's so fucked. I think, I don't know. I think of it as practical. I think like a morbid practical as just my anxiety can't handle it because I'm like at an vending machine at the airport and they're like, which earbuds do you want? They're all $75. And I'm like, great. I

can't even handle that. Right. But now you're going to try to sell me life insurance, overpriced life insurance for quarters. No. Yeah. Uh, so basically, uh he takes to the airport and she sends him to the vending machine to buy life insurance nice yeah so he buys a plan for himself one for his sister helen and one for daisy's sister who's his aunt and uh i put in capital letters with quarters because apparently quarters could buy you life insurance policies yep um so then he and his family walk her to the gate uh he kisses her goodbye watches her board and then he takes uh the their infant son to the observation deck to wave by to their his grandma as she flies off in the plane um and this is at 6 52 p.m and just so you know these vending machines with the live insurance they existed into

the 80s so this is like a very common i feel like i remember my mom talking about these before yeah i i'm guaranteed i've heard her talk about them before i've just it's such a bizarre fact to me that i think i put it in the category in my brain where it's like probably actually wasn't discussed you just imagined it yeah well it seems like unfathomable but like apparently it was a very common thing i i originally put it was in the zach baggins museum but then i realized i think it was in when blaze took me out for my birthday took me um to the like dearly departed tour in hollywood like the death museum tour um i think they have like uh actual slips of paper that are like um life insurance purchased at the airport like united airlines life insurance nice and so i think that's where i saw it i'm not positive and blaze is like i don't know so i was like great okay thank you

um but i've seen like the slips before it's very weird and it's very just like oh here remember your mortality as you walk onto this airplane, which I just feel like now, especially after 9-11. And hold its worth in your pocket. Yeah, exactly. And I feel like it's so like after 9-11, especially it's so just like visceral to be like, oh, remember how you have family and kids at home as you board this airplane? Like, Jesus Christ. Like back then it was just normal. And now it's like, you don't want to think about that as you board an airplane.

I don't know. It's just really wild to me. So anyway, Daisy boards United Airlines Flight 629 along with 43 other people. So Jack and his family go to the airport coffee shop for dinner. After dinner, Jack excuses himself to go to the bathroom where he throws up. Okay. Okay. And as they're leaving the restaurant they overhear a

man in cover all say there's been a plane crash oh yeah jack and gloria asked him what was going on and he had no details but he said he's sure it's a united plane what happened was minutes after takeoff this united flight 629 exploded and plummeted to the earth over Longmont, Colorado. Oh, no. All 39 passengers and five crew members, all 44 people on board, were killed in the explosion and crash. 44 people in total. The victims ranged 13 months to 81 years old. Oh, no.

It's not good in the episode of investigation discovery they talk about like how it was this young boy's like 13 months old it was his first plane ride ever and he was going to see his dad who was stationed in okinawa and had never met his dad before and his mom was taking him to the base to visit and then this one 20 something year old was like moving to Portland for his new job. And they're just all these people who like either. And I guess United had like recently released like a big advertising plan of like to try to like lure people away from train travel to air travel. That's not going to work. Yeah.

To say like, oh, well, this is the new mode of travel. So like a lot of people on this plane had never flown before geez it's just not good it's really really really really really fucked up and there was like a woman who's 22 and pregnant like we're trying to see her family like it just was really bad so um all 44 people unfortunately were killed um they talked about like the plane crash itself and um i guess it crashed in a place like a residential place so people like heard the crash and went outside and saw actual plane seats with bodies in them yeah like in their yard yeah um and since the plane exploded in the sky it wasn't normal crash where it crashed and then like the debris spread from there it was like it exploded in the sky exactly so it like spread out much further than it's like bodies rained yeah yeah

so it was like a much farther spread debris and disaster than usual my ex's dad used to well he still does but um he investigated airplane crashes that was his job and so like i remember some of the stories he would tell about like you know just you see his body's just slumped over it's really rough oh my gosh yep yeah they talked they showed like charred like airplane seats that had like people in them i mean it's really fucked up um so it was actually america's first like commercial airline crash like it was a huge deal like it was the first time yeah it was the first time this has like happened ever um so it was like hugely sensational and it was like i mean every single person on the plane died this was unfathomable unfathomable it was something that like no one could have expected or like prepared for

um so immediately the fbi is like on it and it's like trying to you know there are 44 people dead like this is colorado's biggest mass death up to this point in the history of the united states so the fbi shows up and they're on it immediately and they said in the show that like they would walk around like trying to collect all the debris and it's huge radius and they would have investigators shine a flashlight every time they found a body and this one guy said like it was just like lights all over this huge enormous like plot of land people were just like turning on flashlights it's really really fucked up um and at this point field agents were like trying to figure out what happened they have no idea they basically start

going passenger by passenger and going to all the doors of relatives co-workers like anyone friends neighbors who knew all these 44 people that were on this plane because they don't know where to start um and they start asking about seriously sensitive subjects like do they have suicidal tendencies like what are their mental wow what's their mental health status like do they have relationship troubles difficulties at work like every little thing and imagine like being someone who just lost like a loved one or whatever you have like fbi interrogating you um so it's just like hugely invasive for a lot of people right and. And also at that time too, no one was asking questions like that. Totally. At that time.

Like suicidal tendencies. I mean, you don't talk about that kind of thing. Right. So at this point they have realized that like, this is not an accidental crash. Something happened. Right. So they, they went through the plane and they were like, well, maybe it was, um. Was there security at this

point not really no i wonder what like a tsa system even looked like then like you just show up and go on the plane tsa yeah wow so they really went from nothing to everything to eight thousand percent yeah so they're like um well it's not a fuel tank because i thought maybe the fuel tank exploded that was their first thought of like well it must have been an internal issue with the plane wasn't so then um they find like some debris and they smell firecracker and sulfur and they're like okay this smells like smells intentional intentional and so they're like something happened so they start again interviewing all these people and their co-workers and then they looked so they couldn't really figure out like they couldn't pinpoint what was going on from there so instead they uh

try to look at who would benefit financially from either a plane crashing this plane crashing in specific or um the death of somebody on board so at first they're like oh well this might be like a union issue because the pilot apparently had like crossed the picket line when these like unions were protesting. And so they were like, well, maybe someone was like pro labor union and was like pissed off that this United Airlines guy was right. So they thought maybe it was that wasn't a good lead they looked into everyone who had life insurance it wasn't like um nothing seemed out of the ordinary because again like everyone fucking bought life insurance from vending machines yeah before they got on a plane it was just normal and i guess somebody said like it was like putting coins in a wishing well like if you bought life insurance like nothing would

happen you know like how you buy you don't buy insurance you're like this is the time i'm gonna crash like right a rental car or whatever And so they're like, well, we would just put in a few quarters and be like, well, now we're fine. You know? Right. So their next step is to track down the luggage. So they find this like Samsonite suitcase and they're like, this is where it smells like sulfur and explosive. So they decide they need to find where the suitcase came from so basically what they did was they the fbi interviewed baggage handlers who had loaded the plane and they were like and at this time like they didn't track who put which suitcase on like yeah there was no system

nothing they just fucking put them on the plane like you know what's so weird is that as you're talking about this i just watched the undercover boss episode today of frontier airlines and they were talking about like bag, bag handlers. Shut up. And, like, how they each, like, every person has to, like, write down exactly how many bags and what type of bag. Like, they have a whole system for just bag handling now. So. Yeah.

And this, at this point, they didn't even know who, like. Right. They were like, maybe the bag got there. Who even knows whose bag this is? Like, they don't. Right. Right. They have no, exactly, they have no.

System. System at all so basically they happen to the fbi just like happened to strike gold with this because it just so happened that one of the handlers had lost his keys while they were like loading the bags in the original city i forget what city very convenient very convenient on the way to denver so when the plane landed in denver they were like okay let's take this whole cargo load off to see if we can find these keys so they unloaded all the luggage from that specific cargo hold which was number four and then went they couldn't find the keys by the way they never found keys that's still that's still kind of morbid like just fishing through like dead people's clothes and just well bunch of well this was before oh no this

isn't sorry this was the plane had like traveled through like three or four cities and then by the time it got to denver i thought you meant post no no it was like oh god no really digging through some of like oh definitely no no no okay so it was like when they landed in denver where jack's mom got on the plane right right so they had they bought the insurance exactly so they had taken all this baggage out of number four and then since that one was empty they were like okay well everybody who put baggage in in denver will just go in number four got it so they were basically able i don't it's a little confusing but they were basically able to figure out that only uh the cargo four was only filled with baggage from denver and there were only three bags so only three bags can you imagine can you imagine and um of the three bags only one

had been extremely heavy and they just interviewed the people at the airport and there was like the woman was like yeah this one was just like super heavy it belonged to this lady like she just remembered that it was super heavy and she had to pay extra to like load it onto the plane. Exceeded 50 pounds or. Yeah. No, it literally by 30 pounds was like too heavy for the plane. So she had to pay extra for it. And they were like, well, this is the only one that was heavy enough to hold a bomb.

And that person was Daisy King. Oh, she was the one that happened to have the heaviest bag out of denver in cargo four so do they think she did or do they think jack so they went to her family's house and they were like what is going on right so helen jack's sister says you know my mom has always had like suicidal tendencies she's had like volatile mood swings she's kind of gone back and forth like and they explained like you know she was kind of not a great mom like she kind of abandoned jack and like there was just all this shit so they were like holy shit like maybe she truly lost it loaded the plane with these explosives and was like oh this

is my way out you you know? Yeah. And she had also told Jack to, like, buy life insurance before she got on the plane. She gave him the quarters to be like, go pay for this. So they start going down that path. And then people, while they're researching this, people who knew the family started reaching out to the FBI and telling them that they should look into Jack, her son. And they said he and his mother would often have screaming matches in front of employees at the restaurant. And it turns out Jack had actually been working for the same insurance company that had insured the restaurant when it exploded from that gas leak. Remember? Yeah. Just so happened he had worked for

the insurance company and had actually benefited from all the insurance money and had received it so they were like let's go down that path so they learned it looked into him learned about the forged checks and like the whiskey that he had stolen and the right all that shit so they decided to start researching his home and his family life so they go to his house and they decide to talk to gloria his wife and basically they say is there anything at all so they're they have him outside and the one guy's like let me go inside for just like a glass of water right and goes to talk and like also to interrogate and also yeah let me like get secrets out of you so he goes to the wife and he's like

hey so like do you remember anything from that day that like maybe your husband doesn't remember that might be super small that like maybe he forgot? And she's like, no, I don't think so. And he's like anything that like maybe he didn't mention. And she goes, oh, well, there is one thing like it's really sad because he was doing such a nice thing for his mom. And they're like, well, what is it? And she's like, well, he hid a present in her suitcase there it is it's just like oh there is one thing what and it's just so sad because you think it's a 50s like just so innocent like he hid a present in her suit like it wouldn't even occur to her

at this point like she did it just didn't even cross her mind that like that's so sad that could be incriminating it was just like oh yeah you know he left her it's just so tragic he left her a gift and then it got you know and she never got to open it exactly exactly so they were like it opened itself it opened it for her yeah so basically they were like oh really you know so uh he hid a present in her suitcase that apparently he wrapped in Christmas wrap. Because again, he said he was going to visit his sister instead of stay home with him and his newborn baby. So he wrapped her a nice gift in a Christmas package. So the FBI immediately goes through Jack's house, all his belongings.

The FBI immediately goes through Jack's house, all his belongings. They find the life insurance policy he bought at the airport. And they realize that it's worth a lot more than he initially claimed, because a lot of people buy these for a couple of quarters, these like policies. But they're worth like the minimum amount. Turns out he put like a shit ton more money than he said he bought at the time, a thirty seven thousand policy which today is 343 000 wow just for himself like if something were to happen to his mother then they start going through his stuff they find spools of copper wire and he's like no we use that at the restaurant all the time okay and they're like uh nope uh so they go to a nearby hardware store and show a lineup of photos. And the guy at the hardware store is like, no, that's the guy I sold this to.

And it's him. And he said, oh, by the way, I also sold him dynamite. Well, that'll do it. Talk about those early Casper cartoons. Just dynamite on a railroad. It just sounds so cliche. Also, let's talk about old school honesty in front of cops oh yeah there was no technology it was just an honest word that got the job done totally and also just like honesty of like oh yeah here you go here's some dynamite

oh yeah by the way you just give me five bucks and i'll remember back when you just go buy dynamite here here's some wire and dynamite right yeah i don't need to know what you're gonna do with it oh you're going to the airport tomorrow here's some dynamite like what the actual fuck oh not funny but also no but this is literally what happened yeah it's like take care just beyond me so i mean but at the time it was just so beyond concept that you would even yeah do something like that so anyway they interview him and they're you know they interrogate him and it does not take him long at all to confess he basically breaks down that day and is like yeah this is what happened he describes the bomb he gives details that were confirmed by investigators and he tells prison doctors he's

put in prison he tells doctors that quote he realized that there were about 50 or 60 people carried on a dc6 which is a type of plane but the number of people to be killed made no difference to me oh it could have been a thousand when their time comes there's nothing they can do about it oh my god so like whoa like nobody knew he was this just cold and like fucking hated his mom like nobody expected this from him even his own family and at the time now this is even more crazy there is, there was no federal law in the books that prohibited blowing up a commercial airliner. Nothing said blowing up. Why would that ever happen? Why? Right. Nothing said blowing up an, uh, an airplane

was illegal. So, um, because I mean, nobody could fathom that anyone would do that. They were like, I mean, it's like when cars were first invented, they were like, why do we need, no one would think of seatbelts or windshields they were just like oh we're just driving around it's like how hotels were like we shouldn't have to tell anyone to not put their hangers on our mercury fire and then linda shows up yep linda checks into the ramada ramada okay i thought ramada but then i'm like but that's what people call my mom yeah i wish it was your mom's we could say we're not at the ramada well i was gonna say people always call my mom ramada as like a joke so i think it's kind of a nice match that linda would go to the ramada and fuck shit up i'm pretty sure

it was the ramada wherever it was she was banned for a while maria or ramada i remember it was one of them no the other one she like had um she did thirty thousand dollars in water damage no that was the one she did thirty thousand watt and water damage and then the other one um she pepper sprayed an entire floor right that was i love that one she pepper sprayed into the ducks and then everyone got pepper sprayed their heads their peppers you know what people wonder how how i made it how i am this way and it's like look she was my like sole caregiver and now i hope people wonder how i travel with you like i hope people are like great christine doesn't let me have hangers or pepper spray i'm like move from a to c how does christine factor in oh god who knows we'll find

out yep it'll be a fun let's make an mtv show okay uh so it is not illegal to blow up a fucking airplane not yet so they're like how do we even prosecute this right so there's literally they don't give him like 50 death sentences or no he was okay 50 counts of murder he was sentenced for the murder of his mother and that's it that's it because they could not convict him for the murder of these other people why not because it was not in the books to like that blowing up a plane couldn't they just use whatever law had already been created about bombs in general no because all he basically it was like he intentionally wanted to murder his mother so they were like okay so he intended to murder her and he did that but he also brought down a plane which killed these other people and that just wasn't even

on the books and there was just not there was literally nothing they could do wow so he was not convicted for their deaths but he was uh sentenced to death okay well i mean i mean at least i mean it happened i mean he ended up killed 44 people and didn't give a shit right karma came back yeah yeah so he attempted suicide in his cell it did not work so he's put on 24 hour watch and the trial that followed so he was convicted in 69 minutes and that trial actually resulted in colorado becoming the first state to officially sanction the use of television cameras to broadcast criminal trials which is the first and then he was executed in the Colorado State Penitentiary gas chamber okay on January 11th 1957 before his execution he said about the

bombing quote as far as feeling remorse for these people, I don't. I can't help it. Everybody pays their way and takes their chances. That's just the way it goes. And incidentally, when the FBI or when the police or whoever originally told him that his mother had passed away, because he was actually the first person, the first family member or relative to call United to ask about the plane crash, because he knew about it. So he was the first person recorded to ever call and ask about the plane crash because he had he knew i mean he knew about it so he was the first person recorded to ever call and ask deep for details and um when they told him they believed everyone on board had passed away and they were like i'm so sorry all he said was that's the way it goes wow hung up the phone so uh that's what he said about all these 44 people dying.

He just said, that's just the way it goes. Whoa. He was executed in January of 1957, which was only four months after the actual crash. So within four months, he was tried, executed. Right. And that was that. On July 14th, 1956, because of this case, Dwight D. Eisenhower signed a bill prohibiting the intentional bombing of a commercial airline.

Okay, go Eisenhower. It was wild to think that that even had to be, like, passed into a bill. But, like, yeah. So after this, Eisenhower was like, yeah, like, you're not allowed to do this, by the way. By the way, in case we had to say it, no bombing planes. And by the way, this is America, so yeah, we had to say it no bombing planes by the way this is america so yeah we had to say it because someone's gonna fucking do it like jesus christ so yeah now it's illegal and i actually read a really interesting line that like kind of just fucked me up after

this because i was like that makes a lot of sense because this really fucked with my head um and it was basically that oh this is in the um investigation discovery show and it basically said like that for humans like the randomness of all these people dying causes greater fear than the intentional murder of his mother because like you can place yourself on the seat of that airplane yeah because it's not like oh well someone's targeting their mother i'm not a part of that it's almost like it's like you're a sitting duck pawn totally like i could just get on a plane and this could happen to me yeah which is exactly why i think like that and like 9-11 all these like things that these acts of terrorism are like holy shit like it's anyone it's random it's not like an intentional

anyone anyone yeah yeah um so i just thought that was really interesting um and so the denver radio station kden uh owner gene amoli and rocky mountain news photographer maury engel arranged to sneak a camera into the old denver county jail um for an interview of jack graham when he was reunited with his wife gloria before his execution. Okay. And he said, this is what he said. I loved my mother very much. She meant a lot to me. It's very hard for me to tell exactly how I feel.

She just left so much of herself behind. Oh my God. It's like, dude, what are you talking about? Yikes. You literally murdered her. What?

I don't know. It's just beyond me um and that is the story of jack gilbert graham and in the beginning of the tsa and the beginning of like hey we're all scared of airplanes holy shit yes although i guess people were from the beginning buying life insurance like right to be honest if they put one of those vending machines i'd probably put a couple quarters in yeah for good luck. I don't know. All right. All right.

So Eva has found me a, thank you so much, an Aquarius horoscope to match Jack Gilbert Graham. Yes. Okay, ready? Oh, you have such a nice clue. I keep thinking it's like Gilbert Great. I know. It really comes into my head every time. Also, Eva's computer is a lot cleaner than mine.

Okay. Da, da, da, da. Oh, dear. Okay. Aquarius. Mm-hmm. Jack, listen up. Finding a secure place to rest eludes you now.

Ugh. It would be lovely to report that your domestic scene is like a placid field of wheat oh my god flowing in the gentle breeze of a gorgeous autumn sunset so emo holy fuck unfortunately a tractor comes by and begins the harvest as soon as you find a spot to recline wow your best bet is to flee the foundation and take refuge in the foreign whatever that means to you i don't even want to know what that means i mean i guess his mom was the tractor if you think about it in his life yeah and then he just turned the tables and he ran off to the airport and made a big mistake well and he made them crash into did i say that they crashed into a bunch of fields yeah okay

it is not a time to plant yourself it is a time to fly and grow if you sprout anything sprout wings well he sprouted what why wow eva did you just write that ew ew ew ew she probably did and posted on huffposts and was like here goes christine she probably holds that sway that would not be surprised if eva writes on huffington post she's like doesn't tell us um i actually meant to add like another creepy fact is that he had actually said so he actually when he built the bomb he put like a time like a kitchen appliance timer on it because that's like went back in the day you had to put like an actual like hand crank timer and he put like a 60 minute timer so he like drove his mom to the airport like super last minute

and she's like freaking out that they're gonna be late i didn't even add any of this but so because i didn't know where to put it but um they got to the airport and her bag like i said was too heavy yeah and so apparently the woman behind the counter like basically i just imagine that like delta worker that i always encounter who's like um your bag's too heavy you owe me like a million dollars uh so apparently she told them they owed 27 which like wow for now is a lot of money so i don't know like back then that was a lot of money yeah and she's like your bag is 30 pounds heavier and again like remember he was like oh i put and he told his mom like i put a surprise gift in there for you so she's like oh well they told me um she told tells jack like they told me i need to either

like pay 27 which was a lot of money or just like take some stuff out and they'll ship it for me freight like via the train and apparently he had to talk her and the employees out of opening the bag opening the bag and taking stuff out to ship yikes and had to talk his mother into paying the 27 and he basically was like listen when you get there you're not gonna want stuff missing like you're gonna want to pay for it and like talked her into it and it was a little icky because like one thing i watched was like well if only she had opened the bag it wouldn't have happened i'm like dude it's not her like yeah victim blaming clear right like this was not on her um and like he was like no mom like you're gonna want to keep everything and make

sure it's all there so she's like fine fine i'll pay for it and it was just like that moment of like they almost opened it to like move stuff out they would have caught it and it was and apparently the plane was delayed and like he had set it for 60 minutes so that like apparently he wanted the the plane to be in the air. Well, he wanted the plane to blow up above the Rocky Mountains so that like it would be impossible to track. But the plane was delayed by half an hour. So the plane crashed like above like a residential farmland area. So like it was just spread out, but it was like in a residential spot. And it wasn't like in the mountains like he planned.

So that also like led to him being arrested anyway i just thought that was like just a crazy detail with the timer and stuff so yeah fucking jack sprout some wings man and um i guess his last words i looked up his last words and they were just thanks warden oh yeah and then uh they didn't give me his last meal. I don't know if they did that back then or not, but they didn't list it. So that is the story. All right. Well, thank you for that. You're so welcome. I hope you enjoyed. Thank you guys for listening. And if you have not yet bought tickets to either our show in Boston or possibly our show in New York, if it's still available, buy tickets to both.

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