And That's Why We Drink - E94 Cocoa Pebbles County and the Cannibal Cafe

Episode Date: November 18, 2018

Buckle up, everyone! We've got an extra dark episode for you this week. Em covers the horrific events that happened during the operation of the Byberry Mental Hospital in Philadelphia and the paranormal occurrences it's created, while Christine serves up (it's a pun, you'll see) the story of German cannibal (too much?) Armin Meiwes. We also recap our East Coast tour and describe Christine's childhood home at length - don't worry there are a lot of graves involved... and that's why we drink! Please consider supporting the companies that support us! Try Zip Recruiter for free when you go to ziprecruiter.com/drinkGet an exclusive intro offer from First Leaf that includes 3 bottles of wine for only $15, plus free shipping! Go to tryfirstleaf.com/drinkGet $20 off your first Simple Contacts order when you go to simplecontacts.com/drink20 or enter DRINK20 at check out Try a free trial membership of Beach Body On Demand when you text DRINK to 303030

Even God was like, you need to chill. Oh my God, none of that got recorded. I'm sorry, I was singing a song. Christine thought we were recording our listeners episode right now, which comes out in December. And so she started by singing, Christmas time is here. And then Em just looked at me like, what the fuck? And then I was like, you know, holidays. And then I realized this comes out before Thanksgiving.

Yikes. Anyway, sorry to ruin the illusion for you guys i like how just like you said god was like no you cannot record this and then i just did it anyway i did it again oh well anyway happy pre-christmas apparently wow that was embarrassing um yeah it's not even thanksgiving yet so um sorry about it we'll get there when we get there um this is uh our first time that we are recording after quite a hiatus because we've been at our live shows on the east coast that's right we had five in a row. Five in a row. D.C., Philly, and New York.

And we had a great time. We did. What was your favorite part? Definitely when Linda showed up in a stretch limo. Here we go. Let's tell everyone about that. I want Christine's version because I have just been rampantly telling people. I love the part of every live show after that where we got to tell everyone about how Linda showed up. She showed up in a stretch limo in a bright red jacket lined

with fur faux fur and uh and then she made a lot of demands um a lot of demands in the stretch limo she also brought in the entire city of fredericksburg as well as oh i was yes people wise also in the limo was my entire childhood neighborhood cul-de-sac so like all everyone that has grown up with me since i was a child all hopped into this limo together and they downed about several bottles of vodka tequila and wine handles i believe yeah i got very drunk texts from my mother as she was driving the whole hour or riding definitely not driving the limo and then i guess they still had some left and no alcohol left behind, as my mom always says. And so she decided that they were going to pour all the leftover tequila and vodka and everything into open solo cups and then try to tell security I allowed them to come into the venue with their own alcohol.

I loved that part when the security knocked on the door and was like, so the party's definitely getting started out there with your mom. And we were like, oh, and he was like, so the party's definitely getting started out there with your mom. And we were like, uh-oh. And he was like, so there's a lot of people with open cups of alcohol and your mom is telling us that you approved this? And I was like, nope. I did not take that away from them. That was a rough moment. And so mom had a great time. Yes.

Oh, she had a great time. The whole neighborhood of Fredericksburg had a good time. It was cool. For them. yes oh she had a great whole neighborhood of Fredericksburg had a good time it was cool and um for them not for me I was very stressed because if you ever listen to a single episode of the show you know that I have the worst performance anxiety and it gets worse with the more people that I know it's like surprisingly not as bad when I don't know anyone in the audience though because like there's more invested in yeah like I know because if I don't know you if I mess up like maybe i

won't see you again and have to be reminded of my mess up but when i know people in the audience it's like oh you're gonna remember and lie in my face and say i did a great job yeah and um well that's why we're so you were happy at first linda got so drunk so you're like i was because i was like maybe she won't remember but then she really listened to my rule of please be drunk and she got a limo and a keg. So she really handled it. You gave her an inch. She took a mile. And so I was more nervous than usual because not only was my mom there, but apparently my whole neighborhood.

And then half of the audience was like people I grew up with either in my childhood or in college. And so I was this was probably the most anxiety inducing show I had done. And then my mom on top of it making demands. I got a little stressed. Really rolled out the red carpet for herself. For herself and not us. And this was a moment where I think Christine and Eva maybe first saw me have a stress breakdown where I may have cried a little bit backstage.

Just a little tiny bit. And then I was like, oh, I have to be funny in 10 minutes. What's going to happen? But Christine handled it like a champ and Eva handled it like a champ. Eva closed the door and created a barrier between me and anyone else that's why we call her steel wall eva now is that what it's called iron steel iron iron wall eva we're we're working on it yeah we'll let you know and um christine saw the first tear come out of my eyes and one one single tear she thank you for making me sound better than it's the case it was more tears than that um

and christine was like hey it's okay it's okay let's play pictionary christine thought it would help but also pictionary like there were no board games backstage it was just the first thing that came out of her brain and poor eva was like do i have to go get pictionary now walmart anyway i don't know that was just the first thing where i was like this will i didn't know it was also like stressful too because it was like oh wipe your tears and go be funny on stage in the next 10 minutes right so just behind the scenes fun for you guys so now we have to bring pictionary on our show tour just well Eva might have to just in case something bad happens you never know but other than that that one instance it was very great to see my friends and my family and we should also talk

about how just like when I went to Ohioio um and christine showed me around i showed christine my stomping grounds of childhood and we finished at the uh slaughter pen yeah yes it was very creepy i got a photo but a lot of it was torn down which is sad i didn't know that either because all the stories i've mentioned here of slaughterhouse where like there was like a house used to always go into and there were cornfields and everything it used to be a giant farm of like 15 to 20 barns right and i think because me and deirdre kept breaking into them um the city tore them all down there's only one house left but you did get to see what one of the 15 looked like and all of them were that creepy so right right right i mean you kind of got a fraction of an idea of what it was like yes it was really

creepy and we went at night first and i was like no get me out so um like boarded window very creepy so now we've both seen our hometowns yeah that was nice in like the span of a month yeah so weird yeah really we really manifest things and take care of it here we go um yeah no it was great and then we went to philly which i'd never been to philly and i freaking loved it. I don't know why, but I just like resonated with me, loved the city. Then we went to New York and Lisa came to our show, which was great. Lisa Lampanelli fan back when I was going through one of the many divorces throughout my family where I would like lock myself away in my room and just turn on the TV. And for some reason, whenever I turned on the TV, Lisa's special was always on. And so I like knew all of her bits. I knew all of her jokes. And I really like definitely idolized her when I was younger. I never thought

I'd like get to actually. Manifesting, I tell you what. I never thought I'd like get to like consider her a friend, but also like I got to actually see her live this time around which yeah when I was little I always dreamt of that so oh yeah vision boarding vision boarding since 2005 it works um but yeah it was super fun and New York was obviously great and Josh and Andrew came out and yeah we got to meet people who actually are helping us along the way audio boom and they had our little logo up on the wall it was super cool very cool yeah and it was next to astonishing legends and so i almost cried but i didn't so it's all good but yeah so it was an awesome tour thank you guys for everyone who came out and was able to come and uh we didn't have any

meet and greets until new york unfortunately so correct oh but so speaking of which we have we just announced chicago and those are actually selling out way faster than we expected so way fast uh the same with milwaukee is milwaukee yeah milwaukee no they moved it to a bigger venue yes i saw that and then uh denver oh we announced denver and yeah so we have like phoenix we have some other fun shows florida new jersey so go check out and that's where you drink.com live and um the vip meet and greet tickets for chicago sold out in under one minute so i don't know what happened there but i apologize a lot of people are like we're waiting right refreshing and then they just went away so i apologize for that but thank you chicago for being so thank you so nice to honor truly yeah

so we're excited i'm excited for that show my mom mom's going to drive up. Not in a limo, I don't think, but we'll see. Well, if she does, it'll be your turn to play Pictionary. My mom will probably show up in some weird German... A hearse or something. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, Pictionary will be at the ready. All right. All right.

You heard it first here, Eva. Be ready. Travel Pictionary should be on our... If you don't get our passive-aggressive comments about Pictionary, you better be ordering that on Amazon right now. Alright, so, we... I don't even know how to play. Like, I don't think I've ever even played Pictionary. I don't know why that's the first thing.

It's the thing that you have us do on the TV. The drawing. Drawful? Like, drawful? Yeah. But you get a card and it says you have to draw something, and then everyone on your team has to guess what it is. I feel like I played that when I was little, but there's definitely other... I don't know. It's like Taboooo but instead of words it's pictures right right i mean neither are great to me so you don't like games though that's what i thought was i was telling eva that because she brought me back from the airport which was very nice of her

and i was like i think you were the one i was telling but i was you were like let's play pictionary and in my mind i was like but i hate board games that would make it worse yeah i was gonna say i may but i remember i said that's what i would like to hear so i think in my head i was like oh this is comforting see what you should have done for me is you should have been like hey let's go find like a 10-foot pizza and i would have been like okay okay i should have been like let's never play a board game ever again let's ban board games um okay fuck pictionary how does that make you feel well uh speaking of our trip and being in philly the story i have today is actually the story i was going to do in philly um but it's i found out very quickly it's a little too dark

oh yeah i just like a a forewarning to everyone i'm realizing that a theme is going to be happening in the show where the recorded ones might be a little darker because when it comes to live shows i don't think that's normal i mean i've said that okay i mean you know like i can't do like rape and reutilization on stage fair fair it's just so it doesn't play as well let's put it that way yeah it's it make it makes it more difficult for the laughter that's what i was saying last time like i just try to find ones that are like 200 years old because then they're fun more fun than the ones that happened two years ago well this is one of those cases okay so i was gonna do this in philly and then i was reading the notes and i was

like oh there's no way that like got it this is not gonna be no one's gonna laugh right right so get ready to not laugh guys is what i'm saying to you i'm i'm used to it thank you when i listen to you thank you so that being said this is the story of it's in, I don't know if it's in Philadelphia. It's in Pennsylvania though. Okay. Um, it's called the Byberry Mental Hospital. What? The Byberry?

Byberry. B-Y-Berry. O-O-O. Byberry? Byberry? Burberry. Ooh. Sponsored by Linda.

Small beginnings. So, um. Small beginnings. So, um, it, that's squeak. Sorry, yeah. small beginnings so um it that's squeaky yeah i got christine and eva these little it looks like an egg but if you throw it out a wall it looks like a splatted egg and then it rolls off the wall and it's not my stress ball then i'm gonna pop at some point it's gonna go everywhere it's gonna explode on me really good what's that no way john already popped eva as well well that my

one of my like teachers back in elementary school had one of those and all the kids wanted to play with it so i never got to play with it so i've always said it was a cool older kid or was a teacher i think it was in a classroom and all the older kids would go for it first but because i was too i just never got to play with it childhood trauma comes back and so i've always been like very prepared to like if i see it i'm gonna buy it and then it makes some fun noises do it again in the mic yuck asmr anti-asmr by emin christine anyway i saw them and bought them they're very fun and i'm really proud that eva's pop first because i was convinced i would pop mine within 10 minutes

and they somehow still have yeah because once you're playing with it you really can't stop can't so the byberry mental and i feel like i'm gonna need a stress reliever for this story oh yeah yeah yeah so also let me do a disclaimer while we're here although yeah i'm just gonna do it so um there are some some ghosts to this this isn't definitely like the most haunted thing i've ever covered but it is something that i've have gotten i'm trying to go through like the whole list of like all my dms from like months ago and i'm trying to get all of them right because i i feel like we get a lot of dms i personally get a lot of dms on twitter and instagram and people are always suggesting things and now i'm trying to go through the the backlog cover it all. And I read this and it was still a really interesting story.

So there are some ghosts, but there's no like wild demons or anything in here that people are going to get. So it's mainly like story based. And then the ghost. Just enjoy my story. You're the one making this stressful on yourself. I know. No stress. No stress.

No stress. No, what are they called? No wild demons. No wild demons. No wild demons. Well, I only I said something because the last time when we recorded and did the Rose Hall, I like wait until after to give you a disclaimer. And you're like, why didn't you say something in the beginning? So now I'm saying in the beginning. So now we can see which one works.

Oh, I think it's because you said I have a disclaimer after I told. Oh, right. Whoops. Okay. No, I don't even remember that. Oh, look, I listen. Just don't just enjoy my story. I don't listen to me.

I'm the one that's most stressed. Everyone my voice apparently right yeah are they're here for your i love it no yeah they're definitely not here they're here for my anti asmr yikes i'm here for your voice we're all here for your voice i get it you have a better voice than me go thanks so byberry mental hospital, which also has several other names. Fun fact. It sounds like Boo-berry cereal. It does. And Count Chocula, fun fact, is one of my favorite cereals in the whole wide world.

I love Count Chocula. It's a nostalgia thing. I remember my dad and I always eating Count Chocula together. Chocolate Pebbles. Choco Pebbles. What are they called? Not Fruity Pebbles. It's Chocolate Pebbles.

Chocolate Pebbles? Yeah. Choco. No, I don't know. I know. Cocoa Pebbles. Cocoa Pebbles. I are they called? Not Fruity Pebbles. It's Choco Pebbles. Choco Pebbles? Yeah. Choco. No, I don't know. I know. Coco Pebbles. Coco Pebbles. I'm like, something sounds wrong.

Had you not said anything, I would have... Coco Pebbles. No. Count Chocula was like a thing that me and my dad always did. Aw. Well, Coco Pebbles are just good. So you're right. So this is actually just like Frankenberry Hospital.

Okay, good. I'm trying to throw like hilarious cereal puns in before you get started. Right. No, really like shove out the jokes now because it's about to get really dark. My hilarious jokes. hospital okay i'm trying to throw like hilarious serial puns in before you get started right no really like shove out the jokes now because it's about to get really dark hilarious jokes let's travel back to 1903 let's do it um pennsylvania enacted the i think it's called the bullet bill okay and the bullet bill um had each county build a facility exclusively for the care of quote the insane in the area great um the city of okay so it is in philly the city of philadelphia i'm learning with you guys oh it is in philly oh it is in philly

um the city of philadelphia purchased farmland and the county in a rural district known as byberry or booberry or frankenberry or cocoa pebbles or cocoa pebbles um cuckoo for nope almost i was trying to think like cuckoo and the insane oh god yikes damn yeah that wasn't me that was em no yeah i'm sultry voice i was trying to make a cereal pun but it leave the cereal puns to me my friend you're right you're right so they established a city-funded inmate-run farm known as Byberry Farms. Sounds like a good idea in theory. Well, it was intended to supply food to other public institutions in the city, such as Eastern State. Oh! Shortly after the purchase of the land, the first people to work on the farm, and remember they're also inmates.

Right. There were six inmates that came from different overcrowded jails nearby, and they were the ones chosen to work there. And the farm was going to be used for patients suffering from my favorite consumption. Oh, yeah. Eating too much. Eating too much. I suffer from that every night. And it was basically because consumption was something that could, in theory, be cured at the time. It freed up space in actual facilities for people that were worse off got it or as they said chronic insanity oh god so okay but in the early 20th century people thought that if you had consumption it could be treated with

fresh air and they were like oh well we'll just put all those people on a farm right like tuberculosis right yeah yep and so in 1906 byms had expanded. So this is three years later, had expanded into 800, like over 800 acres. Oh, wow. And there's 15 farmhouses there that are used as colony houses, which is basically temporary dorms. And the first official patient of Byberry Farms was William McLean, and he was admitted for alcoholism. So.

Oh, boy. Okay. So, Christine, good start. 1907. That's where you'd be. Past life experiences. Can you imagine if you went to 1907 and showed people what boxed wine is? I feel like they would be amazed.

I just feel like it's more portable. I think it would be cool to show them canned wine or something that's you know. I'm trying to think. Well, maybe not. I don't know. I'm such an asshole in my mind i was like oh bottled wine but i meant like bottled water like a twist off that was stupid what about i know what would be cool my wine bra that that is the thing that everyone would be stoked

revolutionary william mclean would probably i would be a millionaire i'm gonna move there okay okay to 1907 yes see you later good call bye so by the 1930s byberry was wildly overcrowded and almost constantly needing repair and allegedly the hospital was it gets sad very fast by the way so good job with those jokes great um allegedly the hospital was so underfunded that during the depression patients were year-round naked because there were no clothes in the budget. For God's sakes. The salary for attendance was so shitty, especially during the depression, that the hospital was forced to hire literally anyone that was willing to work at all, including drunks, ex-felons, former patients, and anyone off the street.

Oh my God. They were just like begging people to work there. Yeah. God. It got to a point where petty God. They were just like begging people to work there. Yeah. God. It got to a point where petty criminals, instead of going to jail, they would just be like charged having to work. Right. At Byberry instead of going to jail.

Right. Right. Right. Or they would give them the choice of like, do you want to go to prison or do you want to just have this job because they need help? And obviously what you're going to pick and, you know, right. So during the great depression or actually have some autonomy. So in the 1940s, there was a reporter and he disguised it.

I think it was either late 30s or early 40s. And then there was another one that I'll talk about later in 1945, where a reporter disguised himself as an attendant, snuck in with his camera and published 36 photos to the public to show them how bad it was. And there was a later on, once the 1945 version of this happened, a few people snuck in cameras. But in 1945, there was a national uproar about this. Wow. OK. So there was a new building plan that was instated to fix overcrowding and abuse from the staff. plan that was instated to fix overcrowding and abuse from the staff and a new building in 1942 was created that had a gym a bowling alley a swimming pool basketball courts a library and a

spa i mean again great in theory great in theory what happens also i didn't know this is gonna sound really stupid but i didn't know there was bowling in like the early 40s i know like and there's definitely bowling in the 40s. That's what people did for fun. I know. I just, I just don't think about it. Like when I think of bowling, I don't, I've never had an image in my mind of the 40s and bowling put together. So I just never thought about it. I think that's what I initially think, like the 40s, 50s, like.

I think of 50s. I guess it would make sense by 10 years before. It literally reminds me of Greece. I feel like they're bowling in their poodle skirts. Fair. That's a, you win. I don't know. You win.

So like many state hospitals during World War II, there was even more manpower shortage. So there was even less people that, to work there. I prefer to call it human power, but. Oh, human power. You're right. You're right. You're right. I'm sorry.

I'm going to be quiet. So then, no, please don't because you're going to gasp a lot. Oh, great. So since there was literally nobody that wanted to work at these places, they started investing the military into this. It was called the Civilian Public Service Unit, Camp Number 49. That's my lucky number. Well, you were part of this. Sorry. Look, no matter how you were going to end up in Byberry, I guess, back then. Oh, for God's sakes. So it was in Camp Number 49, there were, they were, I don't know if it's called pacifists or conscientious

objectors, but that phrase was used interchangeably throughout all the articles I read. I like conscientious objectors. It's a lot more syllables. Cool. So conscientious objectors, who were people who refused to serve in the war. Right. And since they were refusing military service, they were brought, they were brought into this area to serve instead. So they were, you know, still at home and all that. Oh, so they were like civilian servants.

Civilian public service unit. Oh, right. That's literally what you said. Okay. No, no, no. You're just like stealing your own words. No, you're fine. So that and there is an article where like I think four different conscientious objectors

who all worked at Byberry like wrote in their stories of what happened there. So this is a lot of my notes are their words. Okay. And I think they said that over 3,000 conscientious objectors were placed in over 60 mental institutions or facilities during that time. That was like the main thing that they were expected to go help and serve. Right, I guess, because no one else was doing it. Right.

So in 1945, a conscientious objector. I'm sorry, you can say pacifist. I didn't mean to make you just say lots of syllables over and over again. A guy from 1945, from camp unit number 1949. He also smuggled out pictures. And in his own words, he was showing pictures of, like, the, I guess, like, how the whole place looked. Like, he was taking pictures of the patients and the, I don't know why I can't say the word how the place looked oh the uh the um now you got in my head too it's like the whole chocolate chocolate cocoa structural integrity of the building well so the opposite of that the like

the whatever he was taking pictures of how the whole building looked in the patients and all that and in his own words he searched antonym structural he referred to the entire place as a concentration camp basically oh fuck um and he said that a lot of the patients because not only were they naked and starving right i mean they looked like victims and so they're being held there yeah and they're stuck there yeah so those pictures were actually published in the next year's life magazine. Oh. So, like, that was the National Uproar one. That was in 1945. Okay. So, one of the first people to actually see the pictures before they were published was

Eleanor Roosevelt. Oh. It got brought all the way up to the top. And she originally thought that the pictures either had to be fake or from the deep south. Were her exact words. Wait, wait. Because they're... She's like, that kind of thing only happens in

the deep fashion it was like oh it was like a very like barbaric basically that's what she was saying well because she i guess fucked up in her interview she was like i've seen conditions like that in alabama and mississippi but i would never see it somewhere like philadelphia where they're more like an industrial city right okay got it got it and so stereotypically progressive not that everyone in the deep south is that way i'm just trying to think of her if you're listening to us you're probably pretty progressive i'm just saying i mean between who the hell knows lgbt and millennial issues at all so um progressive for 1945 is a very different story true progressive 1945 maybe you're like hitting the 1950s in your mind already you're bowling a lot yeah

see exactly you're a greaser so when she found out that the pictures were actually taken in philadelphia right she lost her mind and she like promised that she would support the reform campaign like entirely well you know what and philly as i've learned from amtrak this week is so close to dc that it's probably like holy shit this is happening in our backyard exactly right okay exactly not the deep the far away the far away land sure um of alabama where the alligators are and all that yes they are down there yeah yeah so this is how bad the conditions were there were so few attendants that the patients were told to help supervise the children's ward oh my god which meant it's so backwards. It was so 1940s Deep South. So 1940s.

If I ever heard it, yeah. And so... But so, obviously, one of the things is, like, if the patients who are there because they have some, you know, impulse issues... Sure. And they're now supervising children on their own, a lot of kids were assaulted. Oh, for God's sakes. The ratio of attendant to patients was one attendant per 144 patients.

No way. On a good day. There were usually one to four attendants working only one shift for 350 patients in the violent building alone. Oh, my God. So just in the violent building, there were 350 patients. I'm sure the violent building was just spectacular. Oh, we'll talk about it later. Also, in the, which apparently this was not supposed to be known, but in an article, like a tell-all, it was discovered that there was a building called the Incontinence Ward.

Oh, my. And only three attendants per 350 patients. Oh, my God. So, like, I mean, there's no way to take care of everyone no i mean you can only focus on one person at a time and it's probably the most loud like right the loudest person yeah holy shit so the hospital paid attendance just in case people are wondering like what did the attendants get out of this they paid for a room and board there like on the property the employees did or the the the hospital administrators paid attendance for room and board there like on the property the employees did or the the the hospital administrators

paid attendance for room and board paid them uh laundry tokens and two dollars and fifty cents per month which maybe in the 40s was less holy shit but just probably still not even livable right and so all those ratios i gave you of like how how badly they were requiring workers yeah the women's wards were even worse oh god there was one attendant for every 250 patients oh my god and on a good night there were two attendants at a time maximum there were ever six people on staff at once well and they're not even being monitored so it's like right do whatever the fuck they want and so it sparked like i said widespread reforms of mental health facilities, but investigative reports in the 1960s found that little had changed in those

20 years. Of course. So now in the sixties, finally enough people have been talking about it and enough tell-alls have come out that by 62 through 1972, Byberry began downsizing, but they were releasing patients without like anywhere to put them they were literally just either sending them to other hospitals that they were lucky or literally just

kicking them out and putting them on the street god and still there were still patients that were there they were just trying to downsize and got rid of like 2 000 at a time and just right because also the building was originally meant for 2100 people and at its worst it was over 6500 patients so it was like my god over 300 capacity um the patients that did stay were still neglected and abused because of the lack of help a lot of patients were able to escape without even being noticed i mean yeah i guess not shockingly they were able to rape and murder each other oh Ugh. And they, a lot of them also died by suicide and nobody even noticed for like weeks on end. Oh, God. It's a horror story.

In 1987, the governor thoroughly researched the hospital and he was like, what the fuck is going on? He placed an order that the hospital be closed immediately. What year was that? Sorry. 87. Oh, my God. We've skipped ahead another 20 years. It's still going on.

So, holy shit. Okay. He said it should be closed immediately, but there were some issues. I couldn't really figure out what the issues were. I think it was that there were so many and they didn't know what to do with most of these people. But even though it was supposed to be shut down immediately because they still had such a big population, it was slowly, slowly, slowly getting taken out.

So the closure of the building was done in several phases and took three years and by 1990 there were only five patients left so the last five were released in 1990 so not too long ago i was gonna say that's literally not that long ago um horrifying so here are some of the really rancid things that happen to these people great okay let me just see how long this is going to take. Let's do this thing. All right. Oh, my. It's a lot. Okay. There are reports of excrement in the corridors because, I mean, if you're talking about this, quote, incontinence ward. Right, right.

Like, what do you think is going to happen when nobody's changing these people? Patients lying for days in urine-soaked beds. Beatings and sexual abuse. for days in urine soaked beds beatings and sexual abuse the incontinence ward itself was a concrete slab of floor with no chairs no activities no therapy not even a radio and the violent ward because i told you i'd bring it up um was also called the death house because there was one room that had there was one room in the whole ward um that had rows of men strapped and shackled to bed frames. Oh, my God. In one of the tell-alls, this guy said that there was a patient in the violent ward who, quote, was able to get himself loose.

He was a very dangerous fellow. He had only one cuff and strap on, and he got out. He had a spoon that had been broken off at the end and was sharpened almost to a knife edge. After he was loose, he went to another patient that was strapped down and jabbed him in the side of the neck

on top of his shoulder and drove the spoon down about an inch deep, just missing the jugular vein. End quote. So, like, imagine being, like, strapped down and you can't get away.

No, you can't do anything. You just have to deal with it. I don't know, die? I mean, yeah. There's another quote about the violent ward and the being strapped down. Good. Thousands spend their days locked in restraints, which are thick leather handcuffs, mitts, wristlets, locks, straps, and restraining sheets.

Hundreds are confined to lodges. So a lot of people are in restraints. Other people are in lodges. And the lodges are, quote, bare bedless rooms reeking with feces, only lit through half inch holes in steel plated windows. Like during the day too. So at night, it's just a black room. You're just in a dark, dark. Oh my God. Instead of, this isn't no longer a quote, but instead of tending to the patients, the staff sometimes like didn't know what to do with them because also they weren't qualified. These people literally off the streets or like former patients right like yeah early yeah exactly or like former prisoners and like they're like doing this so they won't

go to jail right it's like community service like paid two dollars a month what are they gonna do like and so they give therapy to 300 people they're in charge of right i mean some of the patients the current patients are the attendance for younger patients fucking hell so since they didn't know what to do with people who are being unruly they would just put them in four-point restraints sometimes for months at a time oh god it's sick as recent as the 1980s one resident's name was william and he was in restraints for over 14 months but possibly up to three years oh just all of your limbs just strapped down you can't do anything for three years and that was sick in the 80s that was not too long ago oh my god that's sick by nature by 1970 so that was 20 years before it closed there had been at least 57 deaths attributed solely to

patient neglect so that doesn't that doesn't count the murders it doesn't count starvation that doesn't count violence it's that's just count starvation. That doesn't count violence. That's just neglect. That's just by being left alone, just not knowing what to do and withering away. A lot of other patients either escaped or wandered off and then died on their own by suicide. Oh, God. One instance, there was someone who escaped and then reconsidered because it was so cold. Oh, no.

And tried to come back inside but literally there was so few people on staff that he was looking for staff to bring him back inside and he couldn't get back inside for god's sake he tried to like knock on doors and knock on windows and wave at people and they didn't even either they weren't paying attention to him or they weren't there or they saw him and didn't think he was an inmate and just let him or just were like we have too many people in here he can stay out there exactly so he literally ran away how and came back to be put back in and locked up and they didn't bring him or see him and he ended up dying outside from the cold oh god okay patients were also beaten with sawed-off broom handles and rubber hoses filled with buckshot oh my god a few

there's a few reports of patients jaws being broken by the attendants oh my god oh god doctors this is where it gets extra fucked up because it's not just like attendance it's like professionals sure doctors would pull teeth without novocaine and would perform medical procedures and give stitches without painkillers oh that's my nightmare because quote the doctors had been taught that people with schizophrenia did not feel pain right that is sensible what the fuck i know i know but that was literally a quote of like what the doctors were told that's so the doctors were told why aren't you a fucking doctor and like know that that's not true that's messed up other medications

instead of not being used at all were overly overly used intentionally to sedate people when they weren't even meant to be. So just drugging people. Just drugging people with whatever you can find just to keep them quiet. Oh, God. There was also a pharmaceutical company that opened a lab inside Byberry because they had to deal with the hospital that they could do extensive testing on the patients. No. Patients who were unable to on the patients. No. No. Patients who were unable to understand or consent.

Sure. But did not have family. Oh, no. They didn't have anyone that. Like connections to. Like there was no family that was going to call and be like, where is my son? I can't see him. What happened to my uncle? Yeah.

So if they didn't have family, if they were unable to understand or consent to these experiments, the doctors would coerce them into volunteering for drug trials. Because if anything happened to them, nobody was going to look for them anyway. Totally. In 1919, there were multiple employees who admitted to strangling a patient until his eyes popped out. And then those employees were kept on staff and given raises. I mean, I just don't even have. So the staff killed the patients. The patients were also killing other patients.

One patient, wild, one patient was raped and dismembered. And then her body parts were placed all over the property. And she was left on the property. And that was by a fellow patient and there was such neglect in this hospital that nobody even noticed she was gone until weeks later when people had started finding her body parts all over the property it wasn't like attendants found it's like they were walking found an arm in the garden or something well they never even reported they found patients just playing with teeth and stuff.

Oh, no. Because they, you know, didn't know what was going on. They were just playing with it and thought they were toys that they found in the yard or something. And they would walk by and be like, why do you have a toe? Why do you have an ear? Why do you have teeth? Why do you have a nose? And then they realized, oh, who is this?

And then figured out that someone was missing. Just the fact that someone can dismember an entire body with nobody noticing sprinkle it on the lawn and like casually like no one notices just the amount i and this is another quote of things that have happened here padded sail padded cells restraining devices solitary confinement beatings lobotomies electroshock therapy and to top it all off the water cure ask me what the water cure is. Do I have to? An attendant, this is an actual whole quote, so everything I'm going to say is one big quote. Okay. An attendant soaked a large towel in water.

After wringing it out, he clamped the towel around the patient's neck. The attendant pulled the ends together and began to twist. Huh? First, he tightened the noose. He's literally like choking him. Strangling this person. Then he gave the towel a slow turn to let the patient know what was in store for him. So turning it.

The patient begged for mercy, but the twisting continued. The patient's eyes bulged, his tongue swelled, and his breath labored. At length, his body fell back on the bed, and his face was dreadfulful white and he did not appear to be breathing 15 minutes elapsed before he showed signs of returning to life and the patient was officially as the doctors call it subdued right so they were doing that intentionally to sedate them if they deprived yeah so they're choking them with wet ass literally cutting off oxygen to their brain so that they're sedated but in like a torturous in a torturous way where they know they're getting strangled and the fuck the reason that they would do that with a wet towel is because apparently that way it left no

physical marks on the body so that no superintendent would find out that the attendants were doing that so it wasn't even like demanded by the hospital it wasn't even like it was just a trick that you found out along the way it wasn't like a water maybe will help something. It's just like so we don't show a mark. Yeah. Fucking hell. So one thing I also found out last minute, but I didn't write it down. But to the best of my knowledge, a lot of superintendents, apparently like a swinging door.

They were just kept getting replaced and everyone knew about this abuse. But remember, I told you in the beginning that this hospital kept getting a name change. They were changing it on purpose instead of actually having any reform. They were just changing it so that when in Life magazine it said, Byberry State Hospital is X, Y, and Z horrible. They would just change the name so nobody could look up that place again. Right, sure, to cut the association. Yeah, so they're just changing their name left and right.

They're changing the name of the superintendent left and right. Just totally trying to cover up. Just evading any sort of... Like they know what they're doing. Right. Like it's not like. Right. The guy up top has no idea.

So then in 1990, it officially closed and stayed abandoned until 2006. And state authorities finally bulldozed it in 2006. And for a while was an empty field, but now is being transformed, ironically, into a residential community for seniors. I'm just imagining the kind of shit that these people see in their yeah waking nightmare like i just can't even fathom so as of now i think it's officially a residential home okay for a residential community home okay so some of the spirits are this is the things that i got i couldn't find too many articles about any ghosts involved so that's why i gave a disclaimer earlier about like it's a smaller list than usual because anything that i did see they were so focused on how horrible it was before ghosts were there well i mean it makes you think there's probably hundreds of

right how do you even keep track of all that yikes so the the list that i was able to gather from different blurbs half of it is from when it was just an empty lot oh um because for a while there's i think i got one article where someone had looked around before they bulldozed it and then most of it is when it was an empty lot imagine how creepy that empty lot was though like yikes and then apparently underneath this entire building the whole time were tunnels in between all the buildings that are called the catacombs oh man apparently the catacombs are also we love a good haunted tunnel love a good catacomb oh my god full of catacombs so while it was closed but it still existed it became a magnet for several unwelcome visitors including gangs former inmates thieves former inmates that's so sad yeah they just like well

because they had nowhere to go and they just like went back just to have shelter and of course our favorite satanic cults great love a good catacomb satanic cult so um the cults apparently have opened up a portal oh good because um there's a whole lot of stuff that people are seeing in the form of shadow people and growling and stuff like that so most stories like i said come from one article from when the building was abandoned but the rest come from the tunnels when it was an empty lot oh creepy um so there's heavy breathing damp hands grab you oh that reminds me of the towel oh i didn't even think of that i just thought like people were like sweating because they were scared i mean that's probably but no also someone could have been holding a towel and

they're trying to grab you now. Yikes. Yeah. Either way. The feeling of being strangled. Towel. There it is. People will black out when they're walking around. Someone has been slapped on the back and people experience feeling stinging on their wrists and ankles and people feel themselves getting groped and their shirts tugged and their feet

held down so they can't walk. Oh, and the stinging probably from like being held down. Yeah. I imagine like a rug burn or something because they were leather and canvas. So. Fuck. The catacombs under the buildings, apparently in the tunnels, people see a lot of shadow figures and footsteps following you.

Or they'll also hear footsteps turning the corner like at the very end. So you think there's actually like a homeless person living there. And that will scare people away but then they never find anything okay so for all a lot of these things could just be people still squatting in there right right but obviously like i would like to believe that it's paranormal you can hear growling in front of you and you can hear wailing screams in the back of the tunnels um body welts will form on you and three like the three claw mark scratches have shown up on people rocks will be thrown at you from behind and nothing's there and people's cameras and equipment um have been lost even though like they just sat it down for a minute it'll just be gone right and people have had the items taken right out of their pockets

whoa and i can't find them so again people are said like oh maybe it's just pickpocket or someone that just like knows the place better than you and can grab it when you're not looking but i like to think it's a ghost it seems kind of weird that you wouldn't notice like your own pocket like your own zipped up pocket getting taken out well especially if there's no one else around right like i've gotten pickpocketed like in a subway station because there's people everywhere right like an empty abandoned whatever whatever apparently there's also evps Right. But not like an empty, abandoned, whatever. Whatever. Apparently there's also EVPs of children growls and screaming for help.

There's the feeling of hatred, the feeling of being stared at by 100 people when you're alone. And children have been heard playing. A man has been heard laughing nonstop. Oh, my God. And you actually, the creepier thing about the man laughing nonstop is you never never know what direction he's coming from it just sounds all around you sadly you can still smell this isn't physical i think this is actually like a paranormal thing but residual smells of urine and fecal matter um you can hear the sound of shackles moving and people have been seen walking the perimeter of the land

and then vanishing oh also that could just be someone walking around and just like running behind a tree i mean who knows yeah i mean definitely the growling and stuff is harder to explain right and the guy walking the guy's being like um and then finally there is a legend under the tunnels that there is a former patient who lives in there with a knife ready to stab anyone who tries to come near him and i tried fun legend i tried looking up things about like if anything's happening as as it's a retirement home yeah and if anyone has experienced anything with that but i think because those people are older whatever stories they say people kind of just take with a grain of salt sure sure so nothing's been reported but i am well and i'm sure that i imagine if you live there and sleep on those grounds you see a whole lot of

shit and i'm imagining that like the people who work there aren't gonna like go spouting ghost stories when they want people to right like send their elderly parents to the home right exactly yeah we hear demons all the time like your mom says that she sees children laughing in the corner but we maybe not hopefully we're raising rent prices by the way although that is a fascinating conversation though about like do you think if they report something is that someone actually seeing something and it is a paranormal experience or because i have i have two friends you met one in dc who are mediums right one of my medium friends she for a long time was working with children right and she worked with children who, you know, deal with some mental differences. Developmental.

Developmental issues. Yeah. And there was one that she became really close with who people thought that he was, they hadn't figured out a diagnosis from because he was so young, but he said that, you know, people were talking to him and he could see things. And this is just one very specific case. I'm not speaking for everyone. I don't want people thinking I like blanket statement right not a blanket statement just one specific case but she became really close to this little kid and everyone was saying oh he says he sees things and people are talking to him and then he felt comfortable

enough to start telling her about this stuff and as a medium she was like he was right there were people right next to him that i could see and he was saying like oh there was one guy that apparently as my friend says was a demon because he looked like a demon was a dark shadow figure that like was felt evil malicious intent apparently the little boy called him grandpa oh and i would say like oh grandpa you know grandpa's doing this grandpa's doing that grandpa's saying i have to do this oh and my friend was like i mean there's no way to explain that to someone but that's actually a demon like so telling him he's his grandfather yeah and so but then apparently she went to the kid's parents one point and said like you know he's always talking about his grandpa being near him have you heard any of this and didn't want to say hey your

kid is being followed by a demon but just said like oh when did your grandpa pass and the parents were like oh he has both of his grandparents oh my god so just a random thing was trying to get close to him and said you can call me a grandpa oh my god and so the thing would whisper things to him and he'd be like no i can't do it don't make me do that grandfather hadn't even passed it wasn't even like right it was just something trying to attach to him oh no no no oh no no no so i mean one specific instance however it does make you think it's like you know if how like sometimes there are paranormal things you just can't explain yeah so yeah and uh i imagine they probably don't advertise it at the senior living center. Probably not.

Maybe we can do an undercover sting operation. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll get my gammy in there. Oh, I was going to say we go, but I guess that makes more sense. She'll be our mole. Yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. Yeah.

She'd probably be on board. Oh, for sure. Well, that was dark. I think so. It was interesting to hear a true crime. I mean, that was pretty true crime it was criminal what they were doing oh well yeah it was very crime heavy i wanted it to be um i was reading the history and i was like oh the haunted stuff is going to be killer no

i didn't mean it like that but yeah i mean yeah i felt like the i was like there's definitely going to be ground for shit like that exactly so then i kept reading it and the bottom it would be like the haunts that would be like two or three things right how is there not more information about this there's but i guess it's because they knocked it down right right right and i'm sure people aren't like wandering around there like right maybe they are but they also they also knocked it down like in the 90s between the 90s and 2006 so like i don't think there was a lot of people like time to gather story i feel, before they turned it into the... And was the internet like...

I feel like the internet was still kind of too new for people to just be like wanting to post a bunch of ghost stories. Right. It was like in the forums. Yeah. Yeah. So I couldn't find too much. It wasn't like a thought catalog article about it.

Oh, I love thought catalog. Me too. All right. Well, my story is also very fucking disturbing. Oh, great. I say that now, but like, I'm going to thank you yes for the entertainment you're gonna like i mean like this one ish i think okay this is the story of armin maivis aka the rotenburg cannibal i mean you say cannibal and i say say more yeah so buckle up armin maivis was born in 1961 in essen which is um where my dad

was born actually really yeah a little town in northern germany um when he was three his family bought a manor in the heart of west germany with 36 rooms okay but that's literally the one you live in at home anyway in cincinnati well there this little... Christine literally lives in a 36-room manor, just in case anyone was wondering. A haunted-ass cobweb filled... This is how old her house is. She still has a bathroom in there where the toilet is separate from the sinks. That's how old that house is. There was a priest that died there.

Em does not like it. No, I don't. And he also got a... He put an elevator into that house. And now the elevator is like kind of half on one floor and half on the other. And there's like brooms in there. Cause they just made it like a, we do a store with storage. The elevator.

That's the most bougie thing I've ever heard. Oh, our elevator just storage. Well, the elevator itself is like creaky and scary. And we used to ride it all the time, but it was like, you know how they would have those like maintenance last checked. And it was like last checked like 1963. And I was like, oh good. We're going gonna die in this oh my god yeah it's great i mean my house is literally owned by the catholic church that's how fucking catholic my family is

i really wish i could show people a picture of what the front view of christine's house looks like because it really is and then the inside but the outside when you're standing out on the street and looking at her house there's a fucking cemetery it looks like it's sitting in the cemetery yeah it kind of is um we're technically like on the property of the cemetery well yeah i literally i've sent that picture to people now and i'm like that's christine's house and they're like of course she has a fucking true crime podcast and like has a lot of wine i don't know if i've told this and has a lot of wine yes i don't know if i've told this on the show i probably have, my first week there, we moved in and I was 14 and my mom was 13 or something. My mom was like, like, holy shit, there's a cemetery right there.

And she's like, don't worry. It's not in use anymore. It's like an eight 19th century cemetery. Um, I'm like settling in, going into my new room for the first time. I wake up one morning and like open the curtains and they're lowering a casket into the ground outside my freaking window welcome home i was like when i ran downstairs and my mom threw a fit because the people who used to live there were like no it's a defunct cemetery no it's a very active cemetery eva have

you seen this house okay i need her to have a microphone when she sees this for the first time oh well it's not that you're getting everyone's hopes up it's not that exciting okay i haven't even seen this photo oh let me see oh my god that's a lot of graves let me see oh yeah i think you've lived there for too long to realize what this looks like to other people it's really like right out of like a horror movie yeah my window's in the attic so like looking down i just saw this casket being when people sobbing and i was like oh so now like in the mornings i, I literally watch funerals all the time. That's not normal, man. I love you for thinking it's like, okay. But like, but like other people might not.

Well, I think my mom just always thought like treated it as so not like, cause I'd be like, Whoa. And she was like, calm down. Nothing's very interesting about it and i was like okay meanwhile i'm like this is amazing well you i mean it was just kind of written in the stars that i would find you and be like we need to be friends we were destined because that really like oh i i'm not gonna like obviously put your mom's house on like online but i wish i could show people pictures of that i'll have to do like a sketch like my own drawing version of it just your own little drawing just a lot of a recreation of the picture use eva's description that's a lot of graves and then you get an idea yeah it's a lot of big ass and that's like the actual view from from down on the street and from my window it's beautiful

anyway i'm sorry i totally took away your no no uh yeah it's a good uh it's a good you should use it as an icebreaker in a game sometime like oh, oh, you know, a lot of graves. I mean, I do. And like, people don't like it. So that's why we're friends. Right. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. So anyway, watch a lot of funerals growing up. Back to this. Okay. So his family bought a manor. I don't believe it was on a cemetery, but. Fingers crossed. You never know.

36 rooms. A neighbor remembers Armin as a small child he had a white pony i didn't have one of those named polly um and during easter vacation he would take this other neighbor boy who like they were who was interviewed later around town in the carriage and they would just drive around okay it sounds like maybe a nicer manner it's yeah there was a carriage and a pony and no cemetery so i mean you had a bishop in an elevator i did have a catholic priest in a wheelchair who died there so so what about it what of it so it was like this idyllic they'd like land and they would ride the pony and they were living in

west germany like all was good um september 1970 he was nine years old playing with his same friend in the garden when armin heard his parents arguing. And then he saw his father climb into the family car and drive off. And Armin tried to run after him but couldn't stop him. And his father never came back. Very sad. Very traumatic. So sad.

Yeah. So he lost his father, basically, for better. I mean. And watched it happen. For lack of a better term. Yeah. And, like, felt like he was trying to bring him back and couldn't bring him back. Right. and like felt like he was trying to bring him back and couldn't bring him back right so soon after that he had two older brothers uh half brothers and they left pretty soon after that

for like their own school or jobs or whatever um and so his whole world basically fell apart um his mother did not cope well either she developed a fantasy life in which she was the lady of the manor and would dress up in clothes from medieval times and treat armin as her little servant and never let him leave her side. Healthy mother-son relationship. And as a way to escape his own real life, which is now his mother's dream life. So he's like, his life is now living in his mother's crazy fantasy. So he developed his own like fantasy life in which he had an imaginary friend named Frankieie who he initially imagined as like an older brother

figure since he had lost the three men in his life and over time though uh he says his father this figure turned into someone that he developed like lustful feelings for so it turned into like this kind of figure of like an attractive guy that he was attracted to um the following year he was probably like 10 years old um he read a little something called the adventures of robinson crusoe and in it he discovered a new concept called cannibals so armin at this point he's like in his pre-teen years and he becomes obsessed with the the notion of eating other people um and he spends hours at the butcher shop watching as the butchers cut up raw meat in fascination can you imagine that kid in the town like oh there's that kid again he just there

he is watching raw meat the poor butcher being like i'm just trying to do my job really like i don't really i don't enjoy this why do you enjoy this it's so fucked up uh fast forward he's 19 years old in 1981 um and he leaves home to join the West German army. So he at this point decides he wants to be a professional soldier. And he actually spent 12 years in the armed forces. He was comfortable there. He was around like other guys. He had like a way to kind of have dominance over people, even if it was just figuratively. He dated a few women during this time, but nothing really worked out, especially because his mother never approved always saying nobody was good enough for him. and she also often accompanied him on their

dates oh very linda very linda no i'll just be really quiet i'll just be really remember that time when uh when christine was home my mom took us out to dinner and we were trying to count all the all of my boyfriends i had before i was like out of the closet. And my mom was like, oh, what about that boy I tried to hit with my car? Oh, my God. I forgot about that. So Linda's been involved in some dates, too, apparently. Oh, my gosh. She should have moved into a manor on a cemetery.

She probably could have a great time. It's called Destiny. It just hasn't happened yet. Don't worry. We're building this future. Yeah. This idyllic fantasy life for our mothers. Mom, are you listening?

Mom, hello. Fresh. So his mom's always coming on dates. yeah this idyllic fantasy life for our mothers mom are you listening mom hello fresh so uh his mom's always coming on dates buzzkill and a half right um he even took his mom to a military dance as his date which sounds cute but like wasn't because he was basically forced to bring her as a date it wasn't like oh cute i brought my mom it was like no no no of course right it's not cutesy i I guess. So like, oh, that's nice. No, apparently nobody was into it.

He also that same night, like apparently got drunk and crashed his car, lost his license and then got drunk and crashed his car the week after that. So, oh, my God, things aren't going well. Let's just put it not hot, not hot. And he, surprise, surprise, did not succeed as a professional soldier. After 12 years, he moved back in with his mother who had had a bad car accident i'm wondering now if it's the same one right i'm like wait too many car accidents at once they must overlap at some point yeah i mean maybe they're just used to riding horses all the time i don't know oh right yeah i don't know how to drive a car right they're so

used to their ponies polly right um so armin was now responsible as like her quote-unquote child servant he's you know in his 20s or no he's like in his 30s now but he was basically in charge of taking care of her um and he said it was just terrible he could barely leave the room without her like like banging her cane and demanding help or soup or whatever she needed help or soup help or one of the two one of the soup that's what i always say helpers or pictionary give me one or give me the other nailed it i'm really suffering today uh yeah so he was at her beck and call and three years later after living like this for three years she passed away of a heart attack not again like he kind of derailed because he even though was that even though he was frustrated with by her like she was the controlling figure in his life and so now she's gone too

um so he reportedly constructed a shrine to her in the house um with a plastic mannequin that he would lay on the pillow each night very norman baits very norman baits in my opinion and at first i was like i don't know because i watched interviews with him and i was like that seems didn't strike me as right but then they did a like video tour through his manor and there was a freaking mannequin in the bed. And I was like, OK, maybe either they planted that, which is entirely possible. Or it's been there all along. Or it's just a creepy ass mannequin that he pretended was his mother. So who knows?

But also it's a 36. I mean, I have weirder shit in my house back home than a mannequin. Yeah. Can confirm. 36 graves, maybe. 3600, maybe. Yeah. So he went on.

Speaking of your forum, your ghost forum, he went on the World Wide Web, which he had recently discovered. Oh, my. To kind of find an escape. And this was the early days of the net. I think it was probably the 90s at this point. And he developed an interest in pornography, as so many people have. No judgment. Throughout the ages.

Until it gets weird. Pretty soon, he developed a liking for violent porn. There it is. And soon after that, which is, you know, BDSM. It's not. Oh, I wasn't thinking BDSM. I was thinking, like, Pain Olympics. Oh. No? Do you know what that is? I don we'll talk afterwards yeah let's change the subject we'll talk afterwards

uh or let's not okay uh so he developed an interest in pornography okay standard but then it developed into like a liking for violent porn and then soon after that uh he just so happened to stumble he said he literally used the word stumble. Stumbled upon some cannibal forums. Hmm. The main website he found was called the Cannibal Cafe. Oh. A now defunct forum for people with cannibalism fetishes. But your girl found the link.

Yeah. Went, did a little dive into the dark web. So that's good. A little deep dive into the deep web. Yeah. Yeah. Some dark shit up there. Not a little deep dive into the deep web. Yeah. Yeah. Some dark shit up there. Uh, not a shocker, I guess. Uh, it's an archived link now, but you can still

click through a lot of it. And a lot of it's still in the, are you changed the recesses? It's, uh, it's like very fascinating until it's like, not until it's like, this is too much for me. Like once you find the line, you know, you've found the line and it's too late. I did. And it was indeed too late um so basically when you click on it it is like exactly what you imagine like a 2000 website right of the time it's like a forum right and it's like the the background was like bricks like yeah very cool bricks there was like a flashing graphic at the top that literally said warning so the site i looked into the site too and it was run by this guy named peraloco. Okay. Which is a pseudonym.

But he worked as an EMT, then worked at a fly fishing store, and then developed his own cult. Hmm. Natural transition. Outstanding citizen. Outstanding. His site had, this site, this cannibal cafe, had a human livestock section. What? Where he would post photos of women to be sold and used as slaves to be eaten.

Oh, yeah. I should also mention this gets really fucked up. So if you're don't eat, don't eat while you listen to this. I'm not kidding because I watched a documentary on it and I was like, nope, not hungry. Don't do it. Also, it's it's just graphic. Sure. It just gets very graphic.

I imagine. Just just warning. OK. He had an application that I actually found that you could fill out to become a human a female they called it like a female livestock applicant or something i don't know to be to to be someone who now has a no to be the person to be the person the woman who gets eaten yes oh to be the to be so like a consensual to be a consensual participant yes to be because i know there there are people who are like are happy to offer part of themselves to be the, to be, so like a consensual, to be a consensual participant. Yes. To be the meat. Because I know there, there are people who are like, are happy to offer part of themselves to be eaten.

Exactly. That's what it was that. So we're, was just asking for clarification. Yes. The human livestock section. I feel like I will have a differing opinion whether or not these female women were consensual. It's all consensual. Okay.

So I judge it a little less. The notion behind it is all consensual. Right. Okay. I judge it a little less because at least that's, that takes away the forced aspect. Got it. It's, it's messed up in a lot of other ways in my personal opinion, but it is technically It's like 1% less scary to me currently.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's less scary in that like nobody got roped into it by accident. Right. Yes. Um, although his own daughter, uh, uh applied and was on it was a lot i don't know interesting that brings up several other conversations we could have sometime yes oh yeah there's a lot of just legal and moral like chick one on here yeah it's like dilemma

left do you know if it's like a nature versus nurture thing that she also is interested in cannibalism like do they share this together or like i don't know there was like that was all i found it was just like sorry the psychology part of me is like no it's really wild and like apparently i read something that like when she signed up he was like wait what the fuck no like because it was like a very sexual thing too and he was like i don't want my own daughter but he was like well it's consensual and i guess his favorite word was consensual and so anything right that ever happened was consensual and the only rules on the site were like no minors. And well, that's good.

Yeah. Which is a good rule to start with. Sure. There's one other rule. I don't remember. It was something very basic like that, though. Got it. No.

Only consent, maybe. Something about consent, probably. But yeah, so it's a little icky. But yeah. So I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's just me. But the whole eating. Listen, it's just something i would never do so i'm i'm ignorant to it yeah same here same here um so again i'm like fascinated i'm like clicking through and a lot of it is like

it's like fiction you know people are writing like oh i'm gonna cook up literally one of them was like i'm gonna eat miley cyrus and described like how they would do that and i was like can you imagine if you found yourself on there and they were describing like i feel like the only person who gets to really be offended by that is miley right that's what i'm saying yeah i know all these like random people they were like basically fan fiction right of like eating celebrities which the fiction stuff definitely didn't have any consent involved it was just like i don't think miley signed anything that said she was down with that i mean if she did great for her but i don't think she did so basically i was like oh this is super fascinating and then i found a post by someone named frankie okay remember frankie

that was his that was armand's oh yeah imaginary friends okay got it so his post from 2001 said he was so he found this form right he's like in it on it loving it he posts something in 2001 that says he's looking for a well-built 18 to 30 year old to be slaughtered and then consumed so originally he gets many replies but people keep backing out and he's like okay i mean he has no interest in like having anyone do this against their will so he's just he's getting frustrated but he's like waiting for someone who wants to be involved. So he waited for the next response. And then finally, he got a message from a man named Bant Brandes, an engineer from Berlin. And Bant wanted desperately to be eaten. He had faced his own troubles in life. His mother died by suicide when he was a

little boy. His family life was really unhappy unhappy he had come out as gay and like his father was not on board he just had like lost a lot of people in his life and was basically a very troubled young man um back in the berlin sex scene he was known for his interest in violence and mutilation um and like they interviewed some of his friends who were like yeah he asked me to do like some wild stuff that i was like i wasn't going to do line right for them. But he said nothing had ever been enough. And so he said he wanted to find the ultimate satisfaction, which was to be eaten. And so he signed up.

Question. Yes. So I feel like to be satisfied, you have to have you have to experience it yourself and like be able to reflect upon it. So how does he feel like? Yes, you'll see you'll see okay yes that is part of it though i was gonna say like how are you gonna be satisfied if you never get to actually witness it because you're dead no you're not dead i hear you so fortunately for everyone listening it gets it's all very alive well because um i do know that i know there's two different types of like people who are in like consensually interested in being eaten yes and one of them slowly, like, taking parts of themselves off so that they can watch the other person do it, or...

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I think, yeah, that's definitely a thing. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I don't... I'm not an expert in cannibalism. Yeah, yeah.

I just know that I've seen... Well, so what's the other type? The one that's, like, it's basically... To be killed first. It's, like, an assisted suicide, basically. one that's like it's basically killed first it's like an assisted suicide basically yeah and then it's like since i know there was a this famous like craigslist cannibal who like wanted someone wanted to eat somebody and then this guy was like well i'm i'm ready to not be here anymore so once i pass i think this is probably a story okay maybe i think this might be this is one of the

more famous maybe i mean i clearly don't know what i'm talking about okay well we'll see because this is pretty recent and it's pretty famous but we'll see but it is like the same concept so got it i would say it's a healthy mix of both of those types of healthy yes cannibalism healthy is just the word i'm gonna use um okay uh they meet at the train station so he signs up and the guy's like you better be serious this guy banned is like you better be serious like i'm not fucking around got it and i'm just like yeah i'm totally serious so they email back and forth make a plan um so on march 9 2001 they meet at the train station in rotenburg which is where armin is now living got it and they go back to armin's house the 36 room manor i hear you and armin makes coffee um they have sex and then they smoke and chat about computers

and i'm reading this like okay so they just like hooked up like had like a one-night stand yeah and we're just like having a good time with mutual interests i don't know but then um as they're talking bant changes his mind because he says he doesn't think armin is strong enough to do what he wants him to do and he has to be taken back to the train station so So Armin's like, okay. So he drives him back to the train station. But right before Band gets on the train, he has an idea. He says, what if I take 20 sleeping pills, a bottle of cold medicine, and half a bottle of schnapps? And then maybe it'll be easier for me to be, like, subdued or, like, to, like, go through with this.

So to not end his life, but just to be, like, kind of in a different state of mind. Right. So, like, he doesn't want to be unconscious for it. But says like maybe if i like get drowsy it'll be easier to accept or to like execute the plan somehow on both of their ends i think right less fear i think it's not fear it's not fear at all like he wants this to be like the worst experience for himself but he also said um he doesn't think armin's gonna to, like, do it unless he's somewhat subdued. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Okay. So he's like, I'll just take some sleeping pills. And so they go back. He takes the sleeping pills, the cough medicine. And as they agreed in their email exchange, Armin sets up a camera to tape it so that they can go back and watch it. The first thing, the first request band has was for armin to bite off his penis and he had always wanted to taste his own penis so he also eats his own penis he has always wanted to yes this is his fantasy so armin tries but couldn't get the job done

so this is why he's trying to subdue himself so he's like trying to make it easier for armin to do it so he goes to find a knife but the freaking knife is too dull so he can't get cut through it wow okay so he goes and gets a bigger knife i mean this is like just the most horrible right but right probably like hour-long affair of all time but right so according to the video bant screams for only about 30 to 45 seconds and then he's like kind of recovers he's like kind of recovers i pass out from that leading profusely yeah um and he says he was hoping uh it would have hurt more really interesting very i mean he's literally just trying to experience the most pain he possibly can i mean that guy's got quite a tolerance if he's only coughing for coughing that was that's quite a tolerance if he's only coughing for or coughing

that was that's you coughing um if you're only screaming for like 30 seconds like when someone bites and cuts your dick off i think probably part of it too is like the shock of your system probably just like the shock of right right can't like adrenaline probably just like cut off the you know what i mean i mean i don't know obviously but I imagine. I mean, you've never cut a penis off? Is that not what straight couples do? I'm confused. It regenerates. Right, right, right.

Yeah, no. So I think, I imagine, because I mean, he's like literally spouting blood. Got it. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I can't imagine that it literally just stops hurting, but it might be a mental thing. I'm not sure. So Armin offered Bant his own penis to try try which is what he wanted um he was too thick he couldn't bite into it um but lawyers who've seen the video say

they think he may have been already too weak from blood loss to even bite it so he was like really disappointed couldn't even he's so so much blood loss he can't even chew can't even like bite down yeah so he's already like we're his i don't mean to keep interrupting you i'm just fascinated so were they was he cooking it and preparing it or were you just like eating because i managed to be like kind of hard to through raw human he or was he like was part of the fun to like cook it and he punished it i i don't remember if before he tried to offer it to him whether he had cooked it but he does cook it okay in the next bullet yes got it he cooks it so he couldn't bite into it i'm pretty sure at this point he'd already pan fried it literally okay um pan fried it you mean Jesus Christ yep that's the one there it is okay uh so then Bant lays down

in the bathtub bleeding out basically while Armin goes into the kitchen to cook bant's organ for lack of a better term to peen fry it sure he cuts it in half boils the halves then seasons them with salt pepper and garlic but apparently that was disappointingly tough to eat as well even once it was cooked interesting so he fed it to the dog which i read in one article but then i never read about the dog anywhere else so i'm like either someone just added that in there right could have just thrown it out artistic license exactly exactly because it does make for a good story but i literally never heard anything about a dog anyway got it um so bant is bleeding out in the bathtub basically um and armin decides to not decides to this is the plan sits down in a nearby room to read a

star trek novel well that was really already well executed into the plan yeah all right and every 15 minutes or so he goes checks on band and several hours later on 3 30 a.m band he hears him call for him so he gets up and goes to see and band had climbed out of the bathtub and collapsed from blood loss so yeah why wasn't anywhere in their plan like go to the hospital like afterwards like if you wanted to stay awake well because he didn't he wanted to experience it and then he i'm quite sure he wanted to be dead after that i understand so he wanted to experience the pain so that's why i said it was kind of a mix like he wanted to experience pain and he wanted to eat his own flesh he wanted to experience it long enough to stay alive and then

he was like okay and that's it now i've experienced everything exactly got it and then um he wanted to like try his own flesh that was like one of his i mean when in fantasies right i mean if you're doing it you're doing it um so hearing this part is really sad and disturbing so okay arman describes this in an interview um and he said at this point he doesn't know whether he should move forward with it like or or call the police he's like i don't know whether he should move forward with it or call the police. He's like, I don't know. He said he prayed. He kissed him on the mouth. He picked up his knife.

Then he sets it back down. Like, he just doesn't know what to do. And he's like, I didn't – I guess he hadn't thought about the murder part of it or, like, the death part of it. He had just thought of, like – Everything before. Everything else. Yeah, exactly. So they never, like, communicated what they are going to – what he wanted? He just didn't.

I think he just didn't – Morally didn't know what to do? He wasn't – wasn't yeah he felt this is where he kind of grew hesitant um and so he said he didn't know whether to pray to the devil or god he prayed to god for forgiveness picked up the knife after hesitating some more he cut his throat and ended him yikes and uh you know too late to turn back now so he removes the head hangs the body from a hook that was already pre arranged, then began to dismember him. Uh, the first PC eight was a piece of his back,

which he called a rump steak. He laid out candles, his good dinnerware and wine. Um, he ate the steak with potatoes and sprouts. And then he said the first bite was hard to describe because it was something he had longed for for over 40 years. And now he finally had the feeling that he was achieving the perfect connection with someone through their flesh got it okay so he's like this is literally all he's

thought about for 40 years i mean no comment yeah yeah yeah there's healthier ways like congratulations you like finally did something you've been waiting for for 40 years but also but also no thank you there's a reason that also no thank you there's a reason there are 40 years in between right exactly so uh he ate bant's body over the course of the next 10 months eating about 44 pounds of his flesh total wow yeah he stored the body parts in his freezer under pizza boxes and then in december of 2002 arman decides he needs another victim. Oh, he's like, it's unquenchable now. He's like, I'm going to try this again. So he goes back to the form, which is interesting.

I feel like it plays into, well, we'll talk about it this when I get there, but. Okay. But yeah, you're right. It is interesting. To like go back and right. He wasn't like, okay, that's it. I'm done. Right. And I was, yeah. Continue. Continue. We'll talk about it. So a college student in Austria replied to the post and asked a few questions, namely, have you done this before? And when Armin said, oh, yeah, I'm experienced. And just in other words, just know you wouldn't be my first.

So the student is like, uh, because a lot of this stuff on the website is like fiction and like people put, but then he's like, this guy is robbing me the wrong way. So he contacts the police and is like, you might want to look into this this guy it seems like he's doing some shady shit which i was thinking if you're on a cannibalism forum and you get reported by another person on the cannibalism forum for being a cannibal like you know you've crossed a line i guess yikes did they i'm sure you're gonna answer but did they ever sign anything like i don't think so it was emails but okay yeah that wasn't like a con yeah that's that's a tricky like is it against the law or not very very tricky i'm sure you'll cover it yeah but

it is it's like inherently i mean a dilemma yeah it's like they said it was okay so adults right yeah but then again you think of assisting assisted suicide like right like that's not legal in a lot of places either so you know it's like iffy um anyway so the police show up at his house lo and behold they find his freezer of meat which he tries to play off as like oh it's an omaha steak exactly my you know my aunt sent me this for christmas but he was arrested um my omaha steak but is meat even good after 10 months i guess if you keep frozen it yeah sure okay um no german laws made cannibalism a crime which i thought was really interesting i was like really yeah because that's an old ass country they have no laws against that i mean it's like you've

experienced everything at least once by now guys like you think so right you don't have a rule they've gone through a whole lot of shit but all right so um the charges against him were for murder for the purposes of sexual pleasure and disturbing the peace of the dead which i was like he was also the first german citizen and hopefully the last to be charged with love cannibalism oh love cannibalism which i kind of think is probably just a bad translation probably again the artistic license but i hear you i like the sound of it so i like it too let's go with it sounds like a band i love you so much i could just eat you up yeah that's what i say to you all the time love cannibal am i love cannibal to geo love cannibal oh baby baby i love it

you love cannibal it moving on his defense however argued that there was no crime since the victim had literally asked for it right um the only time that's probably like a true statement acceptable for an acceptable thing exactly um the video showed bant like giving consent and saying like i want you to do this so it's literally on video right so there's no okay so that's yeah okay um and obviously the email swell up until the moment he lost consciousness like he was literally bleeding out and he's like no this is what i want so it was there was never like like there was no question of going too far right like the whole time he's like this is exactly what i wanted so his lawyer suggested it was more like a mercy killing because at that point you know he's

so mutilated whatever right right um so his father who the one who had left the family and had literally never contacted them since he contacted him all of a sudden no i think he was subpoenaed to like to be a witness um and he was brought to the stand as a witness and told the court that armin had been a well-behaved little boy that had been obsessed with the story of hansel and gretel in particular the chapter about fattening up hansel to cook hansel to cook and eat him the witch i was like that's an interesting so he had all these weird like no german listen German children's stories are nothing to play around with. Just put it that way. So then remember how I said he was reading Robinson Crusoe and there was a thing about cannibalism in there? So a criminologist named Professor David Wilson has studied Armin Mivas for a long time.

And when he believes that, it all started when he read that passage. And in the passage, Robinson Crusoe saves a man friday from cannibals and they become best friends so professor wilson believes it's this connection to best friendship that sparked this interest of like oh it's like the ultimate connection to another human i see since he had lost the three like men in his life and he was seeking connection with other men they think that was and he was bisexual but or he is bisexual but um he said he only ever wanted like to eat men so i don't know if that was just like the connection of like losing his father figure i would guess yeah so anyway i just thought that was kind of a weird weird turn of events and so he this guy this professor wilson said literally he thinks

that but i don't think he said it like literally, but literally he thinks that by consuming someone, it's a way of keeping them close to him, of having them permanently with him. Maybe it's one of those things where it's like that way they can't leave. Exactly. Because his father left, he couldn't do anything about it. Yeah. And so he's literally putting them inside his body. Yikes.

So on January 30th, 2004, Mivas is convicted of manslaughter. So they were able to bring down a manslaughter which is only a sentence of eight years um in april of 2005 however a german court ordered a retrial after prosecutors appealed his sentence saying that he should have been convicted of murder because he killed for sexual gratification which is a different charge and the motive was proved by him having videotaped the crime to use it later for sexually gratifying purposes so the court ruled that since the original trial had ignored the video as part of like his motive basically like they used as evidence but they

didn't say like well why did he make the video they used that to disprove the argument that mavis only killed because he had been asked to kill does that make sense yeah it's kind of backwards but i thought that was super interesting um and then at the retrial a psychologist stated that mavis could re-offend and still had fantasies about devouring the flesh of young people um and so on may 10 2006 a court in frankfurt convicted him of murder and sentenced him to life in prison um wow because even though the original psychiatric assessment said well he's not a danger to anyone who's not consenting then in this one they were like yeah but he still desires to eat other people so he could still be a danger yeah i got it but he's still like he could still hurt other people yeah whether they want it or probably only if they want it but still right um da da da so armin maivus has admitted cannibalizing bant brendis for sexual

pleasure has expressed regret for his actions actually a lot of regret he said today i know what i did was wrong and explained that this is really sad neither he nor bant ultimately had either of their fantasies fulfilled um and he explained that's the point of a fantasy like you can dream about and dream about it but like even if you do something about it you can never really like fulfill right the fantasy that's why it's like a dream that's why you can't actually fulfill it so he estimates now that there are probably about 800 cannibals in germany alone based on his experience in the dark web i don't know good to know and he plans to write a biography with the aim of deterring anyone who wants to follow his footsteps there are actually websites now dedicated to him um and

people advertising for willing victims and he in response to that armin has said they should go for treatment so it doesn't escalate like it did with me and it's something when he talks about it he's just like so against it now disturbed by it and like traumatized by it that it's like oh this didn't it's not what i thought at all yeah yeah i don't think it's what he planned um about a month ago actually armin's appeal was denied and he continues to serve his life sentence and he's also become a vegetarian so that doesn't tell you something i don't know there you go the exact opposite of your fantasy exactly so that is the story of armin mibus and yeah sorry that was a lot but no i mean that was probably one of the ones i've been most fascinated in

i'm very fascinated in cannibalism and like isn't it crazy i'm just like it's so beyond my realm of understanding but i want to understand all of it but well allison and i when we were in san diego went to um a cannibalism exhibit and that was fascinating yeah and like also really just because you're like oh it's fascinating but then like some of it's really sad and disturbing oh yeah it's just something i it's one of those things that like i will never experience yeah and like happily happily i'll never experience it but like being being a cannibal hopefully i'm also never eaten either way but like i will i'll don't ever expect i'll be a cannibal right but because i'll never have the experience it just heightens my curiosity of like

oh since i'm never going to experience it yeah i want to hear other people's experiences yeah but then also there's luckily few and far between yeah so when you like when you cover one it's super interesting it is interesting it um i mean they call it the ultimate sin so it's like right right you're literally consuming your own kind. It's wild. It's wild. And like it has so much history and like spirituality. I mean, maybe not anymore, but at least like.

I mean, there's when it comes to cannibalism, I feel like every aspect of a conversation can get covered between like psychology and your morals and your beliefs. Ethical dilemmas like consent and that kind of thing. Yeah. Very cool. Literally. And very rare. That's why it makes it interesting because you never get to hear about it. when you do you have all these questions yeah yeah anyway so uh this guy armin was born december 1st so i have a little sagittarius scope for us today okay have we done a sag i don't know

all right well we will know all right i also want to be clear real quick i'm not making this up i don't ever make these up so like some people are like do you just write because well you do actively search for ones that are like more on the nose than others but i only have four sites i use so like i don't like go digging that deep but you're just like four sites and i pick one that's the best this one was on huffpost front page second link i clicked okay and i just went okay copy paste here Here we go. Also, like, no, I don't fucking write them because I'm way too lazy to write an entire fake horoscope.

If I did, then like I'd do that for a living. Right. It's a lot of work. Okay. From HuffPost. Sagittarius. Oh, God. Talking about experimenting in the bedroom with your lover will be easy as pie this week.

Wow. Easy as pie. That just occurred to me, too. That's the most ironic thing about it. Yikes. You won't have a bit of hesitation when it comes to expressing exactly the type of kink you're craving. Wow. Craving.

I didn't even. Wow. Kink and craving. I just. You really got sex and food in both places. Copy pasted this right in here. This is why I was like, no, like you can Google it. I literally went on HuffPost.

Okay. Especially on Thursday. Okay. Okay. I don't know what day this is the only trouble here is that mercury will go retrograde in your sign on friday and it is possible that you will feel as if you need to over explain everything you did that's interesting yikes but you don't but you do but you do though your lover will get the picture perfectly the first time you share your desires. Oh, no. I mean, that's probably true. If you're single, there might be some luck on a dating app just when you were about to delete it for good. Yikes.

Two on the nose. It is really on the nose. Two on the nose. Like, two on the nose. Eva, did you write that? Eva just contributes to HuffPost in her spare time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. Anyway, I just was like, what the fuck? Yep. Really? even did you write that even just guilty contributes to have posts in her spare time yeah yeah oh my god anyway i just was like what the fuck yep really disturbing pretty wild pretty wild indeed

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