And That's Why We Drink - Listener Stories: Vol. 109 with Roz Hernandez

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Welcome to November, where it's spooky season all year! We're feeling hypnagogic today reviewing your footage and paranormal question submissions with the Haunted Doll herself, Roz Hernandez. We discuss such pressing paranormal issues as ghost farts and smelter energy. We also wonder if we're the ones gaslighting ghosts with our Scooby Doo behavior... and that's why we drink! Check out Roz's new horror movie trivia podcast called Tickled to Death as well as Ghosted! by Roz Hernandez (because we'll never stop talking about her genius segment "EVP or EVPlease". Let's also help her become a famous YouTube ghost huntress and subscribe to her channel Roz Hernandez the Haunted Doll where she ghost hunts with folks from Grinder. Could there be a more perfect premise?? For 55% off your order + FREE shipping, head to NurtureLife.com/DRINK and use code DRINKTake advantage of this exclusive offer: For a limited time get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life. Go to http://hungryroot.com/drink and use code DRINKIf you think you or someone you know might be struggling with OCD, please don’t wait to get help. Go to https://learn.nocd.com/ATTWD and book a free call with their team to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That's NOCD.com to schedule a free call and learn more. Hello, everyone, welcome to, and that's why we drink Halloween. We are here joined today by one of our most special guests ever. Roz Hernandez, thank you for coming on. We're delighted to have a real expert in the house. Oh, my God. At this ungodly hour of 10 a.m. in the morning. I understand this is very early for me.

There's very few people that I would agree to wake up this early to podcast for. And I'm honored to be here half awake. But you know what? I've got my caffeine. I'm working on it. Maybe you're like in that hypnagogic state and you'll really like access the other side, you know, like in that half awake sleep state. Oh yeah.

Absolutely. I'm feeling it. I'm sorry you are. Hypnagogic today. Yeah. Yeah, me too. Me too. I appreciate. I crawled out of my, my own coffin just to come here. So I'm very excited to see you. Well, I've been paying up all night because it's Halloween time. I know. And, you know, this is like one of my months where I matter.

Of course. You're relevant. Finally. I know. I get this one in Pride Month. And so I really want to like make the most of it. And so what do you do? do you watch scary movies well i like to i mean i've been seeing them in theaters and stuff but i um i've been kind of making my own because i've been ghost hunting and stuff so i have been trying to just get more content and uh and edit them and you know find those ghosts yeah totally and i'm a one lady crew over here so i'm like staying up all night looking through footage of nothing happening of just a video of a room. Bain of M's existence. We've done that many times.

And then M will be like, let's do six different nights of ghost hunting. And then M has to sit there and watch it all. And I'm like, listen. And I just, on our last, on our last tour, I decided that we needed like a 10, 15 camera set up. And so I had to watch 10 to 15 hours of 10, 15 cameras angles of the exact same thing. Some of them were us sleeping also. We were like, maybe something will happen in the night.

So there's just like this video of M sleeping. for like i did zoom through that i was like but that's why i don't i don't do that okay when i you don't let other people film you sleeping that's weird i i didn't have a problem with it well when i did that show living for the dead we would stay at haunted places and we would sleep well we we were supposed to sleep i couldn't sleep over type i couldn't sleep because you know it's terrifying and they would have the cameras rolling so i'd be like awake the whole time because i'm like first of all you're not catching me farting on screen a good point and then calling it a ghost for all to hear yeah but also like you're telling me there's demons crawling into people's beds at

night i'm not doing that no it's vulnerable it's so vulnerable so then we would leave the cameras rolling and then you know it's like they wouldn't we didn't even really use any of that footage for the most part, I don't think. And so now when I go to like haunted hotel rooms and stuff, I try to make it really clear. Like these are, um, a very cheap way to rent a private space, you know, like I, a hotel rental is much cheaper than a abandoned prison. Oh, we found that out too. Yep. So I, and I'm not here to sleep i know there's a bed and traditionally people sleep in hotels i understand it's yeah decor i would say that's why i get why people think that not me that's a filming location if you're telling me this is a set a live set absolutely i'm not sleeping on on the job no oh that would be so unprofessional did you have

a most haunted or scariest night somewhere oh my god i i had one that made me quit oh okay i was so scared i did one um in san diego and in the gas lamp district was it at a particular house no this well this was a hotel i can't afford to stay in nobody's house no we were looking at the we were we were we were at the wailie house in san diego for our oh no it wasn't that one i've been to that one a bunch of times but um i've never been have you done it like And then we did like a full investigation. Yeah. It was actually very creepy.

That was for one of our tours, yeah, for one of our live tours. We actually got quite a bit there, yeah. You people are so cool. No, we are not, but thank you. I do like whatever the like knockoff version is or whatever. No, I think that's cool. I can like go when, you know, when there's tours going on and just be in the corner, like. Yeah, yeah.

You're not conspicuous with those orange glasses at all. Well, and I love, I love going to places like that, those historic. places where the employees are like dressed with a lantern with batteries in it oh so good hear ye hear ye yeah something about that so much no but this other place um is uh this old hotel where this man was shot and and died a long time ago he was like a gambler kind of guy I guess they say he was like a cheater he cheated at his gambling and got shot and whatever And I, you know, I'm very skeptical. So I'm just kind of like, let's see what happens.

Nothing. So boring. And then I decided to turn off the lights. Oh, no. Because I was kind of like, you know, at least, at least, like, what am I going to do with this? I got to make content here. I drove all the way to San Diego. Amen.

Nothing's happening. So at least if I put myself in night vision, maybe it'll look spooky. and we've been there too you know what i mean like i'm not going to fake anything but i also just like there needs to be something different than just me sitting the optics of it yeah yeah and so as soon as i turn out the lights this fool gets right up in my business and i don't feel ghosts really like i try to turn that part of me off if i go ghost hunting and uh i felt a ghost that night And it scared me so much and it was so invasive and so like I just felt like I was in a hotel room in the pitch black with a man in San Diego that I don't know and I don't like that. True.

Yeah. Yeah. So it made me, it scared me so much. And then of course all the machines start going off, which didn't happen. You know, so I just, I got so disturbed that I was. was like I don't want to do no more ghost hunting. This sucks. This is too scary. So I quit for like, like, I think like six or seven months or something like that. Oh, wow. That's a long time, I feel like. I know. For your bread and butter. But then I was like, uh, how about I just

don't ghost hunt men anymore? Like creepy gambler men. Yeah. It's like, well, why would you want to contact that guy anyway? I know. So now I'm just looking for ladies. Oh, I see. Now that's the way to do it. I did one with a nun, you know, like I'm in, never mind. I don't want to be involved with that. I know. Nunes are kind of, they're not necessarily known to be the nicest ladies. Yeah, not really. But I, I love

me a nun. There's like a good vibe with a nun. I feel like in the ghostly world, yeah. One of the, I tell me if you feel this way, but one of the worst parts about ghost hunting for content is that the scariest fucking thing can be happening to you and it doesn't

translate on camera and you're like, well that was for fucking nothing. You're like, I'm feeling so invasive it's so invasive but it's like just see you on camera sitting there yeah there was a one of the first places to be investigated was the queen mary and christine had a whole moment down in the boiler room where like she was feeling like really nausea i pulled a zach baggins i was like i can't stand but like it just looks like we're doing it for content not that it was real making it up right but i was like i actually made a throw up i mean the show i'm i think that maybe it's maybe we could all agree still entertainment, whatever,

but so many people fake this shit. I'm sorry. I was starting doing my research and looking through different YouTube people and I'm seeing like these millions of views that they get. And I'm like, there's no way that that is happening to you.

Every place you go. And it's always something where there's no proof. It's just you going, ah! Like, no. It moved. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. That is fake. And then they'll have like 14 million views

and you're like, well, no wonder they keep doing it like it's working. And trust me, I think about it all the damn time. I'm like, should I just start faking the ship? Just roll something across the floor. Oh, I think I could relate to you as the person who watches all of the several hours of nothing. And totally, it's a total, you're giving yourself a diet, some sort of psychosis because you're like, did I see anything in the pitch black?

Did I hear anything in the pitch silence? Oh, my Lord. Yeah, I've thought that too. I'm like, we should just fucking just one time. We should just make it however we want. Yeah, one of the scariest sounds Emma ever caught ended up being Eva blowing her nose. and we were like, oh, shit. Like, this was the scariest sound.

It sounded like someone going like, like, I can hear you into the camera. And then we found another angle. It was Eva blowing her nose. So, you know, it just happens. It's hard to be a ghost hunter. It gets tempting to go, well, maybe we don't say that. Nobody has to know.

She has allergies, you know. I know. It's very tempting. But I'm looking for the real deal. Like, that's what it's about for me. And the thing that the two of you have that I like to feel like I have as well is, it could still be fun to go on this journey with us and we could still entertain you

and give you something a little different whether there's ghosts or not. And I do feel that there's a lot of people where it's like, if you didn't fake this, this would be boring as hell. What else is there to look? Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. I plead the fifth on any further discussion on that, but yes.

Oh, I'll name, names. I know, you go. listen I was really about to and then Christine said I'm not saying anymore I'm like I've already I've already

thrown enough names out today no we're but we're a you know frequent uh Zach Began's discussers over here just the fact that half of his episodes

are taking his own shirt off and be like do you like my tattoos he loves to do that to the nuns specifically the shirtless one the shirtless activity I saw Zach Baggins outside of my house he was looking for you

Do you need, do you need me to call somebody this sounds troubling? Where do you live? Where do you mean? It wasn't a hallucination. Are you sure? I, yeah, no, I do live with Annabelle, but no, I, no, I was. Well, that explains it. No, I live in L.A. and this one day, this was like probably two years ago or something.

Oh, God. This one day, all of a sudden I was like, I was just leaving and I was on. my street and I look over and I'm like okay that guy looks like he's very like Zach Baggins and I thought about sending like a video or picture to a friend of mine who like Zach Baggins and then I was like that is Zach Nagin. No that's the most LA thing ever. And then I went to his Instagram and there was like he he was posting that they were like doing some ghost hunt near me. Oh my Lord. In LA and he's got a real distinct look to him. I was going to say, yeah, M describes it really well as he's like the,

what do you call it, the Ed, Ed, Ed, Ed, Hardy. A poster child for Ed Hardy. And then I also call him a luggage child because he constantly looks like he's just holding two cases. Yeah, that's kind of what I noticed. He had, he had a walk to him. And I was like, gosh, that guy, whoever that is, he's a big fan of Zach Baggins, that man. And you were right, too, the biggest fan of Zach Baggins. Yeah, yeah, you really clocked him for sure yeah yeah well uh we speaking of Zach Bagan's and all of the footage that we're here is he coming in is he going to join the conversation the day that happens we quit um look outside of your house no we have some we have some spooky stories to tell everybody really spooky footage uh thank you eva for finding all of this people

have sent in their own photos and videos and they've given us little snippets uh ahead of time for us to read so we know what we're looking at but um excited to get into it and we've never done this before either so with your expertise maybe too if you have maybe we could if you think it's debunkable that's interesting too you know don't be afraid to say whatever you want but i'm curious to see it because even sounds like she was actually scared looking at this stuff so would you like to go first ross as as the guest sure perfect let me let me just say my piece about all this um because i've been quiet for the past minute and it's time for me to go in another rant.

I, the thing with like footage and stuff, see, I believe this coming from like your listeners and stuff, because I feel like they're probably not trying to go viral with these clips or something. You know what I mean? But like

it is so scary, the AI, like, just all of it. It's like, I don't know how we can ever tell what is real or not anymore. when it comes to ghost up. We can't even tell if, like, a person on AI is real anymore. I mean, we can now, but, like, in a few years, you won't be able to.

It's so, yeah, good point. So, I mean, a lot of times when people will send me videos or, like, you know, tag me in someone's post with 20 billion views on it, I'm like, I don't, I don't know what that is. Like, immediately a bad thing. Red flag, red flag. It's just hard to tell. But I'm sure these are going to be the real. deal.

Yeah. And if they're not, I'm calling them out. We got a, we got a hope. But I, no, I totally agree.

These, especially if now AI is so sharp and clear with people and really complex storylines. If we just said move the door an inch in a video that already exists all of a sudden. Very good point. Yeah. No. Or, hey,

put a mist somewhere. Make it more pixelated. Right. You know, make it more pixelated. Yeah. I think you're totally onto something that, uh,

we're in an era where it's going to be even harder to prove things. And that's why like just, the integrity and the trust of the people that are doing this is like so major but okay so what am i doing i'm reading a story i guess you open number one because eva tries to make it as simplistic as possible for us to figure out um so she sent a link in the chat and i believe number one and then you read that and then i think there's a there's a video after it that we can all watch simultaneously i guess this one from lisa that's right okay um i do read it like a fifth grade level so give me a break here we go judgment you're in the right place if you know one thing

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hand um emoji so here is my video of a ghost pacing back and forth outside during a rainstorm the location at the time this was the headquarters for overstock dot com is this an ad promo go drink this is a real interesting way oh my god we finally got ross to be our spokesperson finally so at the time this was the headquarters for overstock.com where my partner was working they are recording the monitors where security is showing them the footage this place in midvale Utah used to be a smelter what's is that like a smelter it feels like something my dad was I hardly know her. Okay, that's all we need to know.

Smelter. So sorry. This used to be a smelter, so I'm guessing it's from someone doing their rounds, checking that it was secure. That all the smelting is going smoothly. No. Okay. And then. Okay, it's like a steel mill or like a smelting plant where they, you know, smelt things.

when they smelt things geez okay my dad worked in metallurgy and so I do know actually that word but yes I think it's like a like a steel mill type thing okay work so

so we're gonna watch the video now yeah should we all watch it at the same time to like a three two one okay sure okay this is gonna be interesting three two one okay okay

hmm oh oh do i turn oh yeah do you see that i see it if you turn the sound like describing and then it comes back okay oh yeah okay now i see it walking back oh the okay so halfway into the video or near the end oh that's that looks much like very much like a real person walking with you at the end oh ew at the first half i didn't i didn't totally see it i just saw something moving but by the end that does that is fully second they're creepy yeah yeah i was thinking initially like okay maybe this is like uh um reflection because you can tell that there's lights reflecting in the in the in the wetness of the ground or whatever that is shininess um i think that that is a ghost i wish i had my gaveled because a lot of times

would i get asked you misplaced your gavel um my gavels at the podcast studio but i i would call that want to ghost because I mean those last few seconds are actually creeping me out of it yeah it's certainly something i don't know how to explain uh i i'm i'm gonna go i'm gonna go ghost just on pure this is a mystery to me and i wouldn't know how yeah yeah burden of proof i have nothing to debunk it with yeah yeah yeah that's i know i would hate to see it if i were driving by that parking lot i don't want to see it i don't want that oh yeah no near me yeah i i'm so the my whole by the way is that even though I'm happy to go ghost hunting terrified of every single moment of it so you're like the scooby-doo of the group yeah absolutely me too i'm the zoinks character

yeah that is that video well it's also um like security camera and then i think somebody else filming the security camera so those two layers kind of make things a little tough but but they also make it less to me feel less ai-e speaking of like it feels more like on the spot like you're just filming it on your phone but I don't know I guess anything can be faked but I think Lisa I hope you're telling the truth I think you're telling I think that whoever that is

that is smelter energy Oh my god you're right I forgot about the smelting yeah maybe that's a metal if I've ever steel worker smelled one you've ever smelt one whoever smelt it dealt it um I agree

okay you want to read the next one in sure yes um this is the The subject plan is just, I have a video. So thank you for letting us know. Yeah. This is from Brandy. Looking for any pronouns?

No. Damn Brandy. Okay. We're going to play that little game, that mystery game. Brandy says, hi, I am Christine, fur babies, whoever is picking stories, Viva, tiny humans, and all others who help run this podcast. My name is Brandy. Please feel free to use all names mentioned. Great.

Perfect. I asked because consent is key. Anywho, myself, my husband, Shane, my sister, Helen, and our friend, Memory, and Jake have a ghost adventures ghost hunting group. And we were asked to investigate a home where a young girl was murdered, and it took years to catch her killer. Years after this happened, we caught what we believe is this poor girl's spirit on the camera. I have attached the video that we recorded, and we did not see this with our own eyes. In a news article, oh, we also attached a news article about what happened in the night. So that's all we got.

But shout out, their group is called Raven Paranormal. Kick ass. So that's all we got. So shall we click? Okay. Sure. Hang on. Am I?

This is the one that's a link. Oh, it's literally a link. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's in there has a video. YouTube it says. Got it. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Wow. Shark doo-doo. Baby shark-to-do Baby. I don't know. What the hell was that?

I don't know. It's microphone sucks. Excuse me. Wait, where's the girl? I feel like I didn't see anything. I think it's just the audio of a girl giggling. It sounded like her baby girl giggling. Oh, ew.

That was our little girl. Okay. Wait, are we seeing? Because I thought they said we didn't see this when it happened. Oh, that's a great point. Yeah, okay. We believe we, is her spirit on camera. It appears in the area where it is not possible for a person to stand.

What area? Hmm. The only lights in the room was a table, was on the table in front of me, so it could not be caused by any of our team members. Oh, it's this weird light. I need time stamps. I need a big red circle around what I'm supposed to look at it. Because I keep looking next to the guy on the right in like that.

I'm a little girl and I'm going to score. Don't even. Oh, wait. I just saw it. Oh, fuck. Okay. I did. Yes.

Okay. It like zips across the screen. Okay, hold on. Let me make sure I got the right timestamp. I'm losing my mind here. I don't think it's going to go to 20 seconds and hit play. 20 seconds. Mute it.

Mute it. But just like watch 20 seconds and then watch something go across. That's horrible Oh my God Okay, hey, I actually Remember Ros when you said I'm just going to see a little girl? Yeah, and then I started screaming.

Yeah, I'm going to put it in like Do like a really slow way. Slow playback. Yes. We're going to do 0.75 or no, point I'm going to do 0.50. 0.5. We're like, what is it?

okay wait a second this is scary oh my god ew i don't like it slow i don't like it slow i don't like it slow i don't like it okay that's horrible hey not to be a zoinks kid again but i'm pretty sure that was a fucking ghost i don't like that one bit yeah i'm trying to definitely that little girl i'm trying to pause it just so i can just see her standing still it's like a creepy shape because part of me is like was could it just be and shadow could just be the worst no it's like directly but it's like in a weird spot yeah and it's behind the guy in front of us but in front of the guy and oh my god well yeah so where's your gavel there's your gavel yeah we don't even need it just slam your fists on the table um i think that's a ghost also uh if you're listening to this and you're like what are they looking at i guess go to

our youtube just side note we're gonna i assume we're putting these on youtube sure um okay wow oh and then and the saddest part is like there is a girl there that was killed that's and she came out for baby shark so maybe she's just you know looking for some some friends i'm sorry and then as she runs out we're like we're all like i know i think about that all the time with ghosts so sad yeah she just wanted to be like hey i'm safe here and we're all like literally sometimes em will go hi if you're here you can come forward and something will beep and i'll go yeah i'm like you did Yeah. Gaslit the shit out of this ghost.

I'm like, okay, here I come. I'm such like a toxic boyfriend in a haunted house. I'm like, no, no, no, you're safe. And I'm like, get the fuck away from me. You're like too close. Too close. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

Christine, your turn. Hopefully that's the most activity my heart has today. Yeah, that was a lot. Okay. This is from Kelly. It says, hello, this particular night my cat was acting really strange. She was fixated on something that I could not see. It looked like a person was playing with her cat.

Oh, no. playing with her and petting her wait what oh my cat was acting really strange i'm sorry she was fixated on something that i could not see it looked like a person was playing with her and petting her but no one was there just after that stopped i heard something outside so i went to live view oh god on my ring camera and saw this which again has no ring camera does creep me out in general um and it says i promise the video is not submitted because of the deer in it so apparently there's also a deer involved um okay so i think it's the next file after that if you guys have it okay all right let's play it okay there is a deer i see that

cute it is really cute yeah i love this i'm gonna live wherever this is so peaceful oh oh floaty it's like chilling what a it is arguably the slowest orb i've ever seen in my life it's a really slow or yeah that Yeah, so, Orbs I'm always hesitant about Because it's saying Could be bug It's so hard to, yeah

Who knows what? Could be just like Especially on a ring camera A lot of times They end up being bugs When you like slow-mo it But this does not It being slow is interesting

If it was just kind of like Yeah And it's kind of like bouncing up and down I don't know It looks like swimming through the air I don't know What do you think, Raz? Yeah, I mean

Orbs are hard But I also think it's fun to say ghost when you, just for fun. Especially like with the deer in the background. I mean, so really with the eyes lit up. It's pretty creepy. I appreciate actually that the deer was there because it helped me see how how fast the orb was moving.

That's true. I would have thought the whole video was slowed down. Like sped up or slowed down. Right, true. Okay. And also the cat was acting strange and was fixated on something. It couldn't see like a person was playing with her. her and then they heard something outside presumably not the deer i feel like they're pretty

quiet and then saw that okay yeah all right i don't know what that is but it's definitely chilling outside your house for a long i think it's a ghost it's for sure i think it's a spooky ghost for as long as it stays outside and i think you should move and you should let me have your house and ross wants to move but leave the little deer feeder out there yeah yeah that would be useful for us, yeah. All right. Oh, the next one is a, seems to be a full-blown letter. Okay. Is this me? Do you want to read it or do you want us to read it? No, I got it. Don't you worry. Okay. Okay. Wait a second. Where did I put that? I think I got scared and exited out. Here it is. A digital escape. I see. We're on number four, right? I believe so, yes.

Oh my God. Okay. Yeah, I know. We can read it. You want me to read it? We'll do popcorn style. Okay, so I'll do the first paragraph. Perfect. Okay. What's up, spooky crew? My name is Tommy, spelled T-O-M-M-E. That feels like a ghost already. And I have a spooky story and photo to share with you.

This takes place way back in the olden age of 2009. I know, I know. What was that like? I can't even imagine. It was a long ago. Okay, my stepdad passed away in his bedroom of a heart attack in the middle of the night. Now, before you feel bad, just know that he was a very bad man to my mother in our family. I need more of that kind of like comfort when people are telling me about dead.

People are like, don't worry, he was an asshole. It's like, okay, I feel better now. I mean, assholes die. That's true. Thank God. I love that. I have to remember that sometimes. It feels like an embroiderer.

pillow you know well you know just something to remember i feel like anytime you hear about someone dying the instinct just always be like they were the best it's like you know sometimes they weren't okay mostly most of the time yeah they lit up a room oh yes they lit up a room uh okay so with all honesty i don't think his death came soon enough oh my god ross how can you say something like that I am, this is what Tommy said, T-O-M-E. We're going to isolate that clip for numbers, actually. For numbers. Finally go viral.

Anyway, it's August of 2009. I'm 15. And for some reason, I'm using this cell phone instead of my own. To be honest, probably because I used all of my texts for the month or something. In case you're wondering, it was an LG shine. So now this is why this email is so damn long. You're going to explain what kind of phone?

But see, the problem is when they don't write this, Emma and I sit there and go, why didn't they tell us what kind of phone it was? Like, we're very annoying in that way. Yeah. They can't win ever. They can't win, yeah.

Which was a slide-up phone with a mirror screen, but it still didn't have a full keyboard. I don't know what they were thinking with this. Okay, someone else. You got to tell us which we're, one it's popcorn you got to pick oh um m thank you so one day i'm using his phone to take selfies so i can update my profile picture on facebook and doing whatever other dumb things teen me did back then i snap a few pictures and then take out the memory card so i can transfer them to the computer to upload the ones i like

i remember the days yeah it takes so long back then i hook up the memory card to the computer and pulled up a folder of all the photos on his phone. Uh-oh. When I was using the computer to go through them, I saw a preview of a photo taken from the doorway of their bedroom facing their bed. Nothing caught my eye from a quick glimpse, but I decided to look at it fully. And my first thought was that my mom somehow took a picture of him dead on the floor.

What? Oh, so he's already passed at this point. And Tommy is using the stepdad's, the dead stepdad's fun. I love that. like you sucked. Also, give me your phone. Give me your LG slide or shine or whatever. Wow. After a closer look, I don't see anyone in the first photo, except there is a fleshy, of all the words, fleshy colored mist on or near a pile of towels on the bed. The mist seemed to protrude from one towel that was sticking up more than the others. When you look carefully at it, you can see a lower back spine and even a little bit of the swelling from his beer gut. What?

What? He also had shortish, curly gray hair, and the towel in question was his favorite towel. So, would we get a shot of him, like, out of the shower as a ghost? Yay, I can't wait to see it. Whenever he would get out of the shower, he would have that towel wrapped around his waist to walk from the bathroom to his room. If you look at where this mist and the towel will connect, it looks like it's at his waist, and the towel even looks like if it were wrapped around someone's body instead of just a pile on the bed. Popcorn, Christine.

Thank you. Of course your first thought would be, well, this is just a photo someone took of him before he died, and it didn't turn out very well. But if you go to the details of the photo, you can see the different stats on it, like when it was taken. This photo was taken on the LG Shine, not a smartphone, three days after he died. My mother was in no state of mind to have done something like this because she was grieving herself into a bender. My brother is older than me and lives elsewhere. My baby sister wasn't home because we had her stay with her father for a little while. For the last 16 years, I've managed to keep up with this. photo from flip phone to desktop computer to laptop to multiple smartphones there has never been an explanation for this photo not to mention that the area where the mist is on the bed is on his side of the bed he died there but technically was on the floor when he was found and my mother started CPR now and this is where i'd like you to step in because it does say zach begon's voice and you need to you're the best at it in my opinion sorry ros i'm so sorry no please last time i ever see you i'm sure after this. Could this be, hang on, could this be the spirit of my stepfather leaving this mortal

plane after having one last shower, or is it a different being attempting to be sexy by taking provocative towel photos on a cheap cell phone? Thank you both for doing what you do. I forced my husband to the Springfield, Missouri show, and we had an absolute blast. Okay, I'm very, very excited. It says full permission to show anywhere and everywhere. Wow. Okay, good job, M. And let's see if it really, let's see what, ew, okay. I haven't looked yet. Oh, that's fleshy. That is fleshy. You know what? I judged the fleshy too early. That is exactly what I would have said as well. Unfortunately. So I'm trying to figure, where's the towel here? So the towel is, that is. It does look like a man bending over. That looks very much like a ghost to me.

Ross, you're such a team player here. He's like, a ghost, ghost. Ghost, ghost. Yeah. That is a ghost. I mean... The fact that it was three days after he died is really like unsettling because who is taking these photos on the memory card of the phone three days after.

Well, I mean, that feels like we're really ignoring here. Like, why did mom take a random picture on her phone? It feels like, did she see this in real life and grab a picture? Or was this like by chance as she was taking a picture? Well, she said the mom didn't take the picture. She said my mom would never have... It was just on the phone. She said it was just on the phone and she doesn't know how it got there.

Can you imagine if this is, I mean, truly, like, as Zach Began said, this was the last shot he wanted of himself. Ew, and then you're like, oh, let me get my Facebook profile picture updated. And you're like, oh, no, I can't escape this guy. Ew. He's like still on the phone. Yuck. Well, okay, do you remember, like, back in, I don't know, the 90s, 2000s, whatever,

how, like, sometimes two photos would get, like, super. imposed onto each other when you'd like develop it yeah it feels like that almost but that didn't happen with cell phone photo no yeah it looks because he's like see-through but you can see like his back and everything and great point yeah yeah and the fact that the bed is like the the blanket is like pulled off to the side like he's climbing and eh and he has a little bit of like uh missed around him or you know like yeah because aura or something orra fleshy aura to like get out of there and i don't i don't know enough about the deep the exact details of how he died but it does look like maybe it's a recreation of his last moments where maybe he was like yeah falling over on the bed

before he hit the ground yeah oh my god i can't okay they said we have full permission to share this on social so i hope everybody weighs in um well thank you and i i would say sorry for your but it sounds like you don't want me to say that tommy so right yeah but thank you for the thank you for sending it in yeah it's good it's very good all right oh is so is it's you now yeah okay we got another long one everyone or it's really long buckle in buckle in i i got it you got it you got it this is titled i have a photo of a ghost don't close the portal please what is that supposed to mean help me okay so this says hello i'm mattie she her thank you for normalizing pronouns and I'm coming at you live with my first ghost

on I've ever done with real photos of a ghost I've caught on camera of course I've attached photos for you thank you so much Maddie in December of 2020 my parents surprised me for my birthday to go ghost hunting in Pennhurst asylum in Chester County Pennsylvania I remember being so nervous and excited mainly for mainly because this would be my first time ever going officially ghost hunting in a notorious haunted location but also with the fact But my father was going to be coming with me, and he's scared of his own shadow. Oh, great. It's like, when we go, go saying, Christine.

Yeah, it is. Sounds really familiar. He will send my mom to check a scary noise while he hides in the room. Yeah, it sounds like me. Christine grew up in a literal graveyard. So every time there's a sound, she's like, whatever, this is my typical Tuesday. I'm like, just let the ghost walk through here. It's fine.

Could not be me. The only prior knowledge that I have of this place was from BuzzFeed Unsolved Network, where they talked about events that have happened here and also ghosts that are often seen in the main building. And I believe it was called the Mayflower. I mainly remembered a very tall man named Fisher was one of the spirits that is often seen on the third floor. The guide told us normally,

if you stand at the end of the hallway and look down the long rows of doors, you could sometimes see his shadowy figure peeking his head out towards you when you call out his name. I would not call out his name. Fisher, I hardly know her. No. We already did that joke today.

The callback is always 10 times better. Well, it needs to happen a third time, Roz. Whatever you. Don't worry. I'll be keeping my eyes out for an ER word. I could literally feel my heart in my ass when she was just joyfully calling him out to see us when I was looking at the dark abyss. Yeah. Can you imagine you're at the torque his head out.

By the way, Fisher, Fisher. Like, come here. Yeah. Sadly, though, he did not make his presence known, or so I thought. We moved on from that building and went to go explore the tunnel that led to the morgue and did a spirit box session there. There was then a part where our guide asked if there was anyone in our group who would like to go sit in the tunnel by themselves and listen for footsteps that are normally heard walking back and forth. I raised my hand immediately while my dad muttered, you've got to be kidding me, under his breath. oh poor guy

he's just trying to bond man eventually after we viewed a couple more locations on the property we made it back to the first building we were able to go investigating on our own my dad and I went back to the third floor and started to walk around and take flash photos

on our phone after we were done what kind of phone did she have I imagine LG's shine yeah we need to know this sorry Roz will not accept any any love after we were done we met with the rest of the group that was at the end of the hall and they were putting emf detectors around a christmas tree. Detector, I hardly know horror. Oh, hey-oh. Thank you. I like to think Ross scanned ahead and was

just waiting for you to say that word. Stop. That's how movie magic works though sometimes. You've got to be prepared. They were putting EMF detectors around a Christmas tree trying to ask spirits some last questions. Besides my group, there were two other people doing their own investigation on the same floor. Everything was going fine when all of a sudden we heard heavy breathing down the hallway. There it is. Sound effects. I love that. Everything was going fine. Oh, nope. I just wanted to hear you do it again. No. Full-on panic attack breathing and freaking the fuck out. It was a man in the in the couple oh it was a man it was the man of the couple that was down the hallway oh my guide ran over to the couple in a panic and was like what's happening is he okay and the lady said he's okay

he just had an experience that's what my mother would say when like something happened to me and they're like what's wrong with her she just had an experience please please don't bother her well i found out later I found out later that he was on the team members of Pennhurst Asylum and was known to have a spiritual sensitivity. So between that and not being able to feel my toes, I told my dad, it was time to go. And we made it to 1.30 in the morning. The next morning, I decided just to go through my photos of the night to see if I caught anything. And there were a few orbs here and there, but nothing could prepare me for what I was about to discover. There was one photo that stood out from the rest in the middle of my bright, flashy photos.

it was almost a pitch black photo of what should have been the bathroom. The only color that I could see was a red hue on the border of it. I decided then to edit the photo and turn up the brightness and exposure. Looking back at the camera is a tall man

who seemed to be surprised to see me taking a flash photo in the restroom. Oh, you're a perver. You're a pervert. You could see his bald head, handlebar mustache, and his eyeballs. Eyeballs. Eyeballs. Eyeballs.

That was when I realized that I must have caught Fisher using the potty, and he tried to mess with the photo. He's like, leave me alone. I'm trying to go potty. Yeah, and then Maddie says I would do the same thing. Anyways, sorry this was super long. Feel free to cut out anything. Thank you for everything. Stay spooky. P.S. M. when you posted a picture of the hot dog you ate in Philly

recently, I was the one who said it was the scariest thing I've ever seen. Oh, okay. Well, I did eat it, though. so it wasn't that scary to me maybe to my tummy later but it was very lovely sorry there's sirens going by for me oh yeah that's okay that's i think that's the ambulance mattie called about my hot dog apparently um okay here's there's four pictures i guess the original photo a photo with the exposure up and then an outline this earlier when i said i need a big yeah you do it you did say that perfect okay so the first picture just black yeah and there's like a little red tinge on the side then you go and it's more red okay i see outline of a door away

okay then the second one oh it looks like a little like a slender man almost and if you look at the very top you can see like a face kind of and a moaning it looks like the guy from the scream you know that painting yeah i can't tell where it is it looks like a human form i'm trying to figure out where the bath like is he like looking at it mirror? I don't know. I can't tell. Oh, I see it now. I agree with you that it looked originally like the scream mask. Yeah. That's actually, it's not that. He's, that's, that's his nose handlebar area. Um, if you look at the, I think the third picture is the best one and you can see him kind of standing and I think he's just, his face is turned towards us. And that's the center

of his face. Oh. oh yeah some of these you gotta like oh i see okay so i feel like this one is similar to orbs where i'm like anytime it's a pixelated picture i get hesitant i would certainly i'm not sitting here and pretending like i wouldn't be absolutely freaked out if it were me um but yeah i i never know i always wonder if i'm playing tricks with my own brain like those those illusion pictures where it's like do you see the woman or the tower i don't know so um I think I'm seeing it. Where's his mustache?

So the part that we thought was the mouth of a screen mask is his actual nose. And then there's a handle bar moustache underneath it. All right. I'm not seeing this one. I'm not going to lie. I see like a skull face. I think that's supposed to be like with the exposure. That's lighter than the darker parts of him, which is his clothes.

Yeah. I think I see it maybe the most. He looks like a skull to me. I understand, though. I know what you're saying. Hmm. It's a ghost. I can't see it, but I don't believe you.

I see like, it looks to me like a creepy skull, but I think I think I'm probably misinterpreting it. If I'm seeing it right, it looks like he has like such a power stance. I wish I could. Yeah, I wish you could outline it for me. Yeah, I'll have to give you a little presentation. when I'll stand up in pose. I don't want Maddie to think I'm like dissing the photo.

I do, I am very frightened of it and I don't want to look at it anymore. But I feel like it's scarier because I can't figure out what I'm looking at, like which parts of his head. I think it's scarier because I can see it. And I'm like, oh, I would not want that. Yeah, you're like, please stop. Yeah. It actually does, now that I'm thinking about the power stands, it does look like he's standing to pee. It looks like his hands are in front of her.

I do see the standing the pee thing. Yeah, I see that. She's alluding me, though. I'm not seeing the face is like a handlebar. Really? Oh, I think, again, I can't tell if I'm tricking myself. I think I got to look at it later and just it'll like, like you said with the little girl running across, it'll just like scare the shit out of me. And then I saw it.

Well, and then I saw him. Maybe I'll print it out. No, that's a bad idea. Why would I do that? I guarantee you though, Maddie, I bet your dad for sure thinks that's absolutely. There's no question. Oh, yeah, your dad is not having it with this Fisher guy. Hello, everybody.

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my name is lizzie i am from west laco texas i don't know if i'm saying that right. I have a question. Is that right? Westlaco. Westlaco. Westlaco, Texas. I have a question about the paranormal that I've been thinking about, and I feel like this is the perfect time to write you all. Since from what it seems like the beginning of time, all paranormal has fought with God. Every exorcist movie, a priest is called, and somehow most of the time they're able to get the entity away. Or in paranormal situations, the cross and prayer is used. Does that prove God is real or a higher power? Maybe that seems a little deep, but I always thought if this was used, doesn't it prove of its existence i'm not super religious but this question and situation has always puzzled me

you definitely will not offend me with a yes or no i just thought i'd like to get your thoughts also shout out eva for getting through this email uh and then a sweet photo of winnie the dog as well um i have thought about this all my life too because i have i have i have an understanding of this this that works for me now please of course all of this stuff is called the unknown for a reason we don't know the answers but i it would seem with these evil you know whatever kind of energy that is malicious it would seem that what really works for them to get them away is you being strong in what you believe yeah and and using that to get rid of them it's like that intention of like yes and so if people believe in jesus then jesus will get

get that thing away. But also if you are, you know, more into the, the, like a Wiccan side of things or something. Sure. Any of that kind of stuff. I think, um, I think that it's about that conviction. Like similar. Yeah, I agree. I feel like that's, that's the same understanding I have. It's not necessarily because it's like a crucifix on the thing, but like probably just the intention of like only good here, clear out. Whether you're, I agree. And also, I think there's probably some people that died that if you're like, in Jesus's day, get out of it. Like, I'm sorry. But if that, if I was the ghost, I'd be like, okay, I don't want to be here.

What the hell. Yeah, ew. This is like really harshing my mellow, you know. That's a great point. It's like maybe the ick is what had them leave instead. Day. We're like, you brought a priest to my house. You're like, never mind.

Yeah. I thought we were having fun here. Yeah. No, I absolutely agree. And I think the reason why we associate or why we conflate the paranormal with Christianity so often is because just a lot of people have to be openly Christian. Like, I think it's just like a big demographic. And so it just kind of pops up that way. But I also know, I don't know if you know this, Roz, but my stepmom is Wiccan.

She's a second generation witch. And anytime I had anything spooky going on in my life, she was always obviously the first. person i thought a witch would believe me before anyone else um and so i grew up kind of always believing and or at least seeing that whatever she was doing was working to keep me safe and so totally um and in that way i she also very much promoted like just manifesting and uh just kind of trying to close yourself off and that stuff so i think you're totally right i think it's just whatever you believe is what works energy yeah it's just well and i think that like this ghost stuff in in pop culture is so much of it has been formed in modern day by ed and lorraine

warren and they were catholic and everything was very catholic with the way that they approached it it's good versus evil and demons and jesus and all of that so i think that that has really because for the longest time they were kind of the only authorities that were going on tv and explaining to everyone this is how you get rid of a demon and this is what a demon is and all of that stuff so i think that that combined with movies and all of that and like satanic panic in the 80s 90s and which we are in again yeah it's wild it's wild yeah that's a great point um so we've never it was the first time i think we were ever asked a question and got to answer it so wait but there's a picture of a dog oh yeah

there's a winnie the dog too she's a cutie pie and there's no ghost in this dog picture right there's no ghost in this dog okay just to keep the dog is the ghost oh I love the little hands we'll vote of grinchy toes uh we have one left I think ros if you would like to close it out oh I would love to read this okay this is from rachel who writes spooky footage photo oh oh la say left Yes. Okay. Hello, Eva M. Christine Lemon, Gio, Hank, Junie, Mooney, and Ross. Yeah. I was like, I added that one. Okay. I wanted to share my spooky ghost photo. This is an innocent photo of my dog Avery from. Like, as opposed to like a non-innocent photo. Yeah. A guilty picture. She's not guilty in this one. This is an innocent photo of my dog Avery that my fiancé sent me. If you look closely at my dog's eyes, you can see that my fiancé is eye level, crouching at the side of the bed to take the picture. You can see the outline of the phone and everything.

You can also see the figure of the large man behind him, who was definitely not there. Avery was looking right at him Avery, poor guy We don't live in the house anymore But when we did Avery would sit in that room in the dark And stare at the corner

Yucco I hope you see this I love your podcast so much And enjoyed meeting M, Christine and Eva In Santiago at the book signing This past December And I also subscribe to Roz's podcasts

yeah yeah and they're so good and our favorites we should pay you to be our PR yeah you're good at it yeah I'll do anything for money yeah okay um well so let's see this is gonna be a dog eyeball photo I love that we get to zoom into the dog's eyeballs look at that puppy oh yeah there's a oh that's horrific dark-sided hey that's bad demon man ew he's like walking past it looks like he's not even looking at the dog just like walking past well I feel feels like I'm guessing for him this is just like his he's constantly there so it's not even a moment where he has to look at the dog you just walk him by per usual poor dog no wonder it's so

neurotic if it just sees that dude every day look at this dog's face he is his face says what the fuck is that why is no one talking about yeah um if you really zoom now I'm just going to throw out here when we're talking about pronouns it does appear that this being has boobs so honestly anyone everyone has boobs unless they elect to not have them but so I do think that it's possible this oh interesting plot twist okay okay you know what yeah we shouldn't assume huh could be just a person no matter what horrifying yeah it could be a demon ed and lorraine could be right you know what I'm saying um and I I'm down with that as well I don't love that this person is just walking past though and the dog's just like totally losing its shit and the guy's like whatever I it doesn't

It does make me, I mean, we've talked about this many times, and I'm sure any pet owner thinks it, but it's like, I'm constantly like, what is my dog seeing that I'm unaware of? And if my dog looked as panicked as Avery looks in this moment, I would think the dog is seeing a lot all the time. Okay, now, this is going to sound really fucked up. Go for it. Because that is a fear of what is my dog looking at. My dog that I have now was born with no eyes. So I don't have that problem. Well, I do not have that problem. Oh, my word. But he is, why are you laughing him? I did not expect it. I just didn't expect. I was like, what's happening here? But you know what?

His ears must be pretty untuned. I was going to say everything. I heard that smell is the most important with dog. But do you think they can smell ghosts? I mean, I guess sometimes we can. If they're smelters? If they're smelters. I guess when I think of ghosts I either hear something or see something and very rarely do I smell

something but I wonder if it's different for animals. Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, my dog, I just wonder if he would know if something was a ghost because he. Right, if he doesn't. Right, right, right. Like I don't even know if a dog who sees a ghost is like, they're probably like, who's that man in our house, you know? But he's very like, because he's always been blind, he's different than a dog that. goes blind he doesn't bump into things

he knows he like has such heightened senses that he knows where things are it's actually kind of scary sometimes I'm like are you faking it but he definitely does not have any eyes show me he knows when he's about to hit something and like it's interesting

so I'm very curious I don't want to put him through that because he has a lot of anxiety because he doesn't have eyes I mean I would I think yeah so I don't want to take him to a haunted place but his name's checky checky yeah don't take it to a hundred foot that's probably cruel yeah yeah but does he

do you ever see him reacting to things that aren't there and and there just no way to heard i mean kind of but like sometimes i'll see him and he he goes like you know like this and i'm like what is he what is it and then i'm like oh there's a plane going over oh yeah he's like he he hears everything he's like hearing it oh my gosh i was going to say after looking at this picture of avery and like the person in the dog's eyes i was going to say i really wish we had a palate cleanser but you really came through with that i love it little air that's what i do oh my god ross absolutely thank you for going through all this with us and for bringing your your undeniable

expertise to the table we appreciate you so much is this it this is over i guess i mean listen I'm not kicking you out, but Eva only gave us 14 files or something to look at. We looked at all of them. Well, I really have to tell everybody about something. Well, I was going to say, this is your time to shine. Please tell us everything. So I'm hosting this new podcast with Paramount. Yeah.

Paramount scares, to be specific. It's a horror movie podcast, but it's a game show. and so it's kind of like a funny game show the two of you would be great on it if you want to come on and each episode we have three different guests and it's different genres

of horror movies per different episodes you know like we did a Stephen King episode a vampire episode whatever and it's trivia but it's also really silly in trying to make people come up with improvise on the spot and just be silly and have fun and then there's points and whatever it's fun it's fun it's fun it's

it's called tickled to death um so you can find that wherever you get podcasts and then of course ghosted but rouse or dad is my other podcast I do all year we were we got to have the honor being on that once and I remember you had little game the game I still talk about it where you had like an EVP and EVPs or EVPs please EVPs or EVPs or EVPs. I tell people about that all the time. Yeah, we do that. We look at haunted eBay dolls. Oh, classic. We do silly stuff like that on that podcast too. And then I'm trying so hard to become a YouTube star. Oh, that's hard. A YouTube ghost huntress. And so my that YouTube channel is Roz Hernandez the haunted doll, which is please. I'm going there right now. I love that. That one, I go to haunted hotels and I find a local

guy on Grindr and we go ghost hunting together. That's genius. That's so smart. Thank you. God, you are, you are, you forget Ed and Lorraine. You're like, step aside. Yeah, thank you. We've got a new form of ghost hunting in town.

Well, yeah, I don't think they were doing Grindr, but I'm trying to, you know, you got to spice it up. That's right. Come on. They're old news. Wow. Well, I'm so excited. I just subscribed.

Oh, thank you. I don't know how to get famous on YouTube, but I'm trying damn hard. It's pretty. I mean, I certainly don't know, but I will subscribe to, to watch these.

Oh, you have a lot of followers. No, this looks so fun. I'm going to watch this. Oh, my God. The Ghosts liked my Grindr Guy, episode three.

All right. So if anyone needs something to do this evening or any time, please go check that out too. Yeah, I have a lot of spooky stuff for people right now. Yeah. And a dog with no eyes. How could it get any better than this?

I know. What a perfect guest. Happy Halloween, everyone. Um, any closing words? Any parting words? No. I'm just, I'm just sad spooky seasons, uh, uh, coming to a close, but thanks for for sneaking in there with us, Roz. Oh, spooky season for all the, you know, for the normies. The amateurs that come and go. Um, but yeah, no, it's spooky all year. Thank you so much for having me.

Oh, what a blast. Thank you, Ross.