And That's Why We Drink - Listener Stories: Vol. 112 featuring. Aliza Kelly

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

Happy February Boozers and Shakers! To celebrate this month that’s full of astrological moments we are joined today by the amazing Aliza Kelly. First we share a few listener stories that happened on our birthdays including a haunted house, a true crime, and even a Girl Scout saving a life! Then Aliza shares some insights on our birth charts and us being Gemini birthday twins - which explains the duality, the chaos, and honestly… everything… and that’s why we drink!Catch more of Aliza Kelly on her podcast Horoscope Weekly, on socials @AlizaKelly, or visit her website https://alizakelly.com!___________________Chime is the most rewarding way to bank—join millions banking fee-free and sign up in minutes at https://chime.com/drinkUpgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/DRINK and use code DRINK to claim your free 3 piece towel set and save over 40% off.Get 50% off Unlimited premium wireless—plans start at $15/month at https://mintmobile.com/atwwd.Head to https://wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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because I was doing a little research last night. And you have been busy. So this is Elisa Kelly. She is a spiritual empowerment expert. She's a celebrity astrologer. She's a columnist for the Cut and Marie Claire. She is a best-selling author five times over. She is the host of two podcasts, Horoscope Weekly and The Practice.

And you also have hosted Soul. You founded the Constellation Club for those interested in during the astrology, spirituality, and magic community. And you also, I hope this is okay saying, but I think my favorite thing you've done is that you also have offered a lot of online lectures for intentional, intention setting, workshops and tarot, birth charts, astrology, manifesting, and astrology 101 workshops. And that's all the time we have for today. Anyway, bye. That's Elisa Kelly. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Thank you so much. It's always like so embarrassing when someone says in front of you. Yeah. I also feel uncomfortable when that happened. So I'm sorry I had to do that to you, but I could not stop finding more information about you. And I was like, you deserve the accolades because that's a lot of time put in. So congratulations.

Thanks. I'm a Capricorn rising. So yeah, it never stops. We famously talk a lot about star signs, but like in a very uneducated manner. So I mean, you know, know, like a semi-educated manner, which, but it annoys many people because M has a problem with Scorpios and yada, yada, we go on and on. So yeah, we should talk about that. We should talk. We will. I don't think we have a choice. I think it'll be up. But yeah, Elisa was kind enough to also get us our birth charts made up. And I've always wondered, because M is a June 3rd Gemini, I'm a June 4th Gemini. I can only imagine the kind of clashing that happens on that birth chart mash up.

Well, yeah. I mean, that's, that's, you know, and Gemini is the twins. Oh, yeah. So that's, it's four, right? Like, practically, this is a four, this is an orgy podcast. This is, oh. Finally, we've been waiting for someone to acknowledge it. I've been trying to get Christine and I, you know, I've been trying to start rumors, but, you know,

we want TMZ to get talking, yeah. We can put that on our, like, website, like an orgy of a podcast. Yeah. that's the tagline. I like it. Thank you. No, we've had, we, I'm sure, just like Christine said, but I feel like there's a lot of overlap, but then I'm sure there's a lot of like too close.

I don't know how to describe it, but absolutely we would love your take on that. And before we get started, I also have to say, I just sounded like I know exactly what I'm talking about by ripping into all of the cool things you've done. But I don't know really the rest of the format of today's episode because Christine came up with a bit of an idea last minute. And I'm going to find out with everybody else and you, Alisa, what Christine's got cooking for us. Okay. Exciting. Yeah. So I did a fun little thing where, by the way, Elisa, is there anything else you want to share up top, like anything you're promoting right now or anything particular you want? Oh, no. No, that's enough. That's enough.

That's enough. Okay. Great. Well, I felt like we said so much. I didn't know if there was like one piece of it that you were like, let's focus on that one. But, wow, a woman of many talents. So okay, what I did, M, is I put our birthdays into our Gmail inbox to see like what kind of stories would come up. And for me, it was a really cool ghost story. And for you, it was like a really horrific true crime story. So I have these for us to read as our listener stories. We needed a few listener stories today. And I thought, what better than to search our birthdays and see, you know, what's up?

So I have this document. M. I have one that I'm going to read first to get us started that has my birthday in it. And then one, you can read the one that has your birthday in it. Okay, perfect. Perfect. I have no idea what true crime has occurred on my birthday, but excited to find out with everybody else. Yeah, it's going to be a doozy.

So this one is from, now I tried to look up how to pronounce this in the Norwegian way, okay? Horgina, Horgina, I think is how you say it. Okay. Yorgina, there we go. So this one is called Haunted House and Gemini Daughter. Hello, everyone. My name is, here we go, Jorgina. It's hard to pronounce because I was named after my great grandmother from Norway. And yes, I do have creepy photos of her hanging up in my house. Good. So long story long, but spooky things have always happened to me. Paranormal activity doesn't really freak me out anymore. However, back in 2018, I had my first kid on June 4th. That's my birthday. An omen to us all. An omen, I know, the Antichrist was born.

The year before, I bought a house that was built in 1912 in Western Washington, and that is old for this part of the country. I'd already experienced some paranormal activity like shadow figures and objects moving around. However, I didn't really get concerned until my daughter started to experience it herself. As a baby, she would stare at the stairs and sometimes laugh at them. Even her father noticed how creepy it would be. When she started to talk, she would say there were eyes on the stairs. What? I couldn't see anything and I never tried to ask leading question.

I don't know if I would want to see. Do you know that moment where you're like, I'm going to look, but I don't know if I want to see what's there or if I do. Yeah, just keep your eyes closed. Right. It's probably best not to look. As curious, I'm probably the most curious, nosy person in the world magically. I am not interested.

None of your business. Yeah. Eyes on the stairs. No, thanks. Yeah. Okay. So as a baby, uh-da-da-da.

The more she was able to talk, the creepier things got. One, that also feels very Gemini, doesn't it? The more she's able to talk, the creepier things got. Yeah, that is a tail is old. Gemini tale is old as time. And that's not even, that's not even exclusively paranormal. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, that's just like built in.

Yeah. I do feel like I'm just kind of like a runaway tumbleweed sometimes with my words. It just keeps going until. And then I just show up and like push you further. We just keep going forever. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. So let's see. and see, one night I woke up and saw her trying to get into my closet. I asked her what she was doing and she told me that she was playing hide and seek with her friends. I said, it's too late to play and that she needed to sleep. However,

I had a hard time falling back to sleep next to my closet. Another time I was playing with her on the floor of her room. She told me that her friends lived under the floor, but it was really hot down there. I'm sorry, your friends are in hell? That's crazy. Also, Gemini,

I think it feels. Okay. That's something to call a contractor about also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like maybe an insulation issue. Right, right. It's like out of our league. I pray they're just like raccoons that are cold for the winter or something.

Right, just like your squirrel friends or something, you know? It gets worse. Okay. It says she told me her phones. After a while, she started to talk to me about the other mommy. She would tell me that this is so Gemini-coated. It is everything about it. I didn't even know what it is.

I cannot. Double. Troubles. Always doubles for Gemini's. We always needed you as a commentator. I feel like this is really helpful insight. Yeah, where were you? You were doing all these other things.

Too busy. Okay. Let's see. She talked about the other mommy. She would tell me that this mommy didn't look like me and she didn't like me. She would also point to where the other mommy was, which always seemed to be in my room or her room. On top of that, the other mommy doesn't like me very much. She once told me there was a man in her bedroom

He lives on the other side of the wall with the other people The man was nice to her but the others were not nice Then she added that the man did not like me and I should not go into her room However, I had to make sure a real man wasn't hiding in there So I looked around but didn't see anything again, thank God This kind of thing happened for a while And she would just sometimes tell us that someone was watching us When she was about five years old she asked me if ghosts were real

I asked her what she thought She thought for a moment and said yes I think some people just have a little more living to do. Oh. That was nice. Lovely. So yeah, that is the story of, that's like the lovely ghost story

from Yorgina. So thank you for sending that in. Thank you. Definitely reeks of Gemini energy. Yeah. Double everything. Yeah. Do you, I don't know if this is a silly question. I'm sorry about

I'm probably going to embarrass myself when I say this in front of everybody. But is there any connection between certain astrology signs being more connected to like the spiritual side of things because I feel like as a Gemini who just won't stop yapping I feel like in theory that would mean that we open ourselves up to more things if we're willing to talk to things versus people who are more analytical and and maybe shut off to that stuff but then there's Capricorn oh you Capricor rising but like then I know some people

where I'm like oh famously they're very kind of like you know organized and whatever the other brain side is and they are very connected. and in tune. Yeah, so that's a good question. Yeah, I think that every sign can be connected. I don't think that it's, I think that it's less about the zodiac sign itself. And I see more configurations in people's whole birth charts that would indicate, you know, being able to sort of like, have easier access to different realms, different levels of open-mindedness. And right, because that is also another big part of the equation is you have to identify the experiences that you're having as something more paranormal or magical or supernatural.

So it's less about the sign, more about the whole birth chart configuration. But, you know, every sign is, you know, in my book, every sign is witching, right? Like every sign just has a different way of being able to tap into that. Have you ever looked at someone's chart though and gone, damn, that's a spooky person? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have a very spooky. I have a very spooky chart. Do you? Yeah. And like, you know, I, what I call a spooky chart, um, astrologers of your would have considered like a hard, difficult, challenging chart. You know what I mean? And like, so I have had to, and some of my first, my sort of foray into astrology was sort of like, okay, well, how do I make this work for me? And how can I learn to understand my chart and who, I am without just feeling like I'm cursed in like a non-wimical way. And I think that applying, like figuring out like, oh, I have a really spooky chart. And that's, that works for me.

It was actually part of the empowerment that I experienced in my early days of working with astrology. And that's what I like to bring in to the work that I do now is making sure that people recognize like the opportunities in their chart, even when they're more. challenging ones. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. Thank you for sharing.

I can't wait to hear about what I'm in my charts say. I'm very curious. Yeah, you guys have plenty of spooky signatures. Don't worry. We're doing the right thing. We're like that twin, we're like that emoji of the two dancing. Yeah. Like doing the can can.

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Did you, you said I have, there's the true crime June 3rd story for me? Correct. Did you send it to me at Christine? I did. I shared it on Gmail. I hope it went to you. If not, I'll text you. I can email that. So here's, I'll give you a brief explanation. I typed in, I didn't, hadn't even typed June 4th. I just happened to find one that said Gemini and had my birthday. And I thought, oh, fun, I'll look up M's birthday. And then I saw it. Canadian true crime and M famously loves Canada. So I thought, perfect. And then I started reading it and went, oh dear. Oh, okay. Excellent. I'm buckling up. It's a good story. Like, I mean, it's a horrible

story, but it's like, you know, very well told and like really horrifying. But it is the one that I, it's a little less, let's say, whimsical than the one I read for myself. So sorry, M. Great. I was sick of the whimsy over here. And usually we swap places, usually we don't swap places like this. So you're the true crime half right now. I know. It's a, it's a new time for me. New year, new me. So this is a titled, a Canadian true crime. And it's from Tay, who is a she-her pronouns. Thank you for normalizing pronouns. Um, it's actually, sorry, it's, I titled it. My, okay, yellow highlight is me interjecting, which like, probably at the beginning half of it was yellow interjections. And I went, no, no, just, that's okay. The, the title is, actually, uh, how well,

Do you really know your neighbors? Yikes. Okay, it says. Hello, and that's why I drink family. My name is Tay, and today I want to share a chilling Canadian true crime story from July 2014. That summer, I moved to my dad's house in Guelph to attend summer school in order to fast-track some credits for grade 12. Our neighborhood was peaceful except for one unsettling resident, Stefan Dietrich. Nice how you gave me the pronunciation for Stefan, but not Dietrich.

That one, I was like, you're on your own. I don't just guess. I'm going to roll with Stefan Dietrich. The problem is I looked up Stephen Dietrich and that was like a famous author or like a well-known author. And I was like, I don't need to be like slander. You know, I don't want to be like church or slander. No one needs a lawsuit. Not today, you know.

The unsettling Canadian resident and famed author. Yes, and acclaimed author. Okay. The unsettling resident. He also, can you hear that, Christine, the revving of that machine? I do not. Okay. It's my neighbors are doing some yard work.

Oh, no. Are they also authors? They're certainly unsettling. I keep hearing a rumbling whenever they're near five. Okay. An unsettling resident Stefan Dietrich. He lived two doors down and always gave me the creeps. As Christine has said a million times, trust your gut.

Whenever I saw him, he would stop and stare, sending shivers down my spine. Despite my unease, I kept my ease. my distance and stayed friendly with him and his wife, Cebla, or Mimi, and their three kids. As summer progressed, I noticed something strange. Mimi was no longer outside watching the kids, and said a new woman had appeared. And I thought she might be a nanny and didn't think much of it. Summer ended, and I never saw Mimi again. Fast forward to June 2015, I was on the bus passing my dad's street when I saw police tape, white tents and forensic investigators swarming Stefan's house.

My heart raised as I called my dad who told me with a chilling calmness that Stefan had been arrested for murdering Mimi. Oof. As weeks went by, more and more information was released to the public about what had happened to Mimi. The news disclosed that Stefan had beaten his wife to death with a shovel in the family's garden and the garden shed, following an argument over a cell phone bill. autopsy photos showed evidence of blunt force trauma to Mimi's skull and it was those injuries that caused her death. Stefan then placed her body in a hole he had dug in the backyard and filled it with cement.

Yeah, this is like max level. Who? Like were the kids still out there playing over her? Like, yeah, I think so. Oh my God. To give you a little spoiler. Oof. Stefan had been having an affair with a woman from Toronto and their relationship lost.

Sorry, I just realized this too. Like that cell phone bill is your fucking problem guy. Right. You were calling this woman from Toronto. Yeah. With a woman who doesn't live in town. Like, you can't blame your wife for this cell phone bill. Yeah.

And also how did? And what was the, whatever. I can't even get into it. I'm being too nosy. Um, it's like, and also. And also, who's the carrier? And also, can I look at the bill? Because how much was it?

Please. This relationship blossomed in the months leading up to me. death and texts between them revealed his unhappiness and intentions to divorce Mimi. Court documents revealed that Stefan and his mistress exchanged messages before and after he killed his wife and the text spoke of one

day living together as a family. In the early hours of June 3rd, the woman had, he was having an affair with, wrote to him saying that she was lonely. Stefan responded no, you have me. If you want, I'm yours. I have a family. Yes,

I'm happy? No. And my wife on paper yes we do not sleep together if she's here she sleeps in another room only a show for the kids happy birthday am sorry yeah woo that was the only like date specific date in this email and i went well it says june 3rd in our kitchen box has no other june 30th well it's birthday it's birthday and so we got a birthday day that's also like uh his writing really threw me off i have a family yes i'm happy no what sign is that because that's the worst sign the one who keeps asking their own question where it's like exclamation points exclamation points question mark exomate and it's like who are you talking to like it's like no one asked any of those questions to begin with you're just giving

yourself a little lecture okay yeah i feel like i had i had a lot of bosses over the years who wrote like yeah i feel like that's like a very classic boomer cadence very interesting boomer cadence yeah because they're like am i having no no no no do what am i working yeah am i answering my own questions absolutely right i forget am i annoying you bet you bet you So, okay, the last part of the story is it was around the same time, I guess those messages, it was around the same time. Your birthday. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course.

Just to specify your birthday time. I guess our birthday time because it's one day. It was around that same time that Stefan began researching ways to get a divorce from Mimi. Just days before killing his wife, Stefan completed an online application in Mimi Dietrich's name to initiate divorce proceedings. Oh. So, okay. forgery. He paid for it with his own credit card. Please found he also made several internet searches regarding where he could buy. I think it's diethyl ether.

Diethyl ether. Yeah, you really stopped helping me pronounce this thing. Diethyl ether and chloroform, pretty much things that would put you to sleep. Things you shouldn't be Googling. Yeah, yeah. Or inhaling. On ask.com, he wrote, where can I buy chloroform? Okay. So, yeah, we know the profile of this person. If he's going on ask.com. Fair enough. Say less. That's a great point.

Askjeeves.com. No, that's very incriminating. I'm going to map quest the directions, too. It's like, what are you up to you guy? We may not know his astrology sign yet, but we do know his age. You are totally right. You're clocking it, I think. You were totally right.

On July 10th, 2014, the couple received an outstanding phone bill, which angered Stefan. He called the phone provider and a recording of the call captured stuff in. and arguing with Mimi. It is the last time her voice was heard. Surveillance footage showed Stefan leaving Mimi's car with an envelope in his hand and getting in a taxi. He dropped the envelope in the mailbox of his employer, who was also a good friend of Mimi. And the envelope contained four letters purportedly typed and signed by Mimi as well as her wedding ring, a SIM card from her cell phone, her car keys, a color copy of her German passport, and her Canadian residency card.

and the alleged letters from Mimi indicated that she was pregnant with another man's child and had run off to start a new life. This fucking guy. Yeah. She praised her husband and admitted to stealing money from him. She wanted a divorce so he could find someone better than her. I love how at the end he found a way to also praise himself. I know.

I was going to say like it's the most narcissistic letter. Like I can't actually write anything except how great I am. Yeah. Even in a fake letter. Great point. Yeah. It's just sad and scary. A month after me,

Mimi's disappearance, Stefan's mistress moved into the home, and Stefan told his children that their mother had left to start a new family and no longer loved them. Oh, my God. After this arrest, police formed an extensive search of the house. With the help of police dogs, they found Mimi's body buried under a recently poured cement pad in the shed. She was curled up in the fetal position, fully clothed, and dressed in rubber boots.

Also, they discovered in the clandestine grave was a license plate frame that said, give Jesus a chance he died for the opportunity that's a that's a license plate a license plate they found that frame the frame oh the okay oh it's like that's yeah it's a yeah it's a great it's like why is there 50 characters yeah um interesting like i'm confused about i am in this in the story building in the world building of this would she be holding that frame when she just wonder if like he kicked it in like it got cement on or something you kicked it in.

Oh. You know, I don't know. I don't know. It was just a random fact. Or he saw something that said Jesus and he was like, okay, maybe that'll help me later. Yeah. I feel like that's like a quick repent.

Yeah. Ew. Good point. Stefan was arrested in charge with first degree murder nearly a year after Mimi was first reported missing. Despite the original charges, Stefan pleaded guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to life in prison with no eligibility of parole until 2037.

Thank you for reading my story. Read the last one. Yeah. Sorry if I pulled. a Christine and ruined your mood, M. You know, it is... Happy birthday! It is, you know, common on a true crime

podcast to be a little bummed out at the end of everything. But yeah, I am bummed out. Thanks, Ty. But you know what? At least we got to say Mimi's name and let her know who she was. It's quite a shocking story. And I didn't see much about it. There was information online,

but it's really not like a very well, like, oft-reported case. So, Tay, thank you for sharing that. And also, yikes. I do have a, I have another silly question. I'm so sorry, but you're here to answer my silly questions, I guess. We've got you on the clock. We've got you trapped.

Well, I don't know, I don't even really know how to, maybe if you can read my mind, Christine, and help me figure out a way to ask it correctly. But does it mean anything when like something that intense, that big of an event? happens on a certain day, does that like shift everything astrologically for everyone? Or like, does that mess with the cosmos at all when big events happen in certain seasons? Well, it's an interesting question because, you know, a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the moment someone is born based on their date, time, location of birth. but events also have birth charts.

So, for example, I was born August 18, 1989, which happened to be the Menendez murders at that exact. Yeah, the same day. So I have the same chart as the Menendez murders, which is someone has asked me before, like, oh, have you ever looked at the chart for that day? And I was like, you bet I have. Like the back of my hand. Yeah. That's a chart I know very well.

Wow. That's weird. But it's interesting because the energy of that day, obviously you're going to read it through the lens of an event that happens. You're going to read it in terms of like, you know, especially when we're looking at true crime dates or, you know, these big powerful moments in history where there were big turning points, right, like September 11, 2001, right? But that's also, there's a kid born on September. 11th, 2001 too. But mystically, that energy is the same, right? It's just manifesting differently in the form of sort of a crescendo moment that would happen in world history or in the collective versus in somebody's birth chart as something that they are embodying and carrying with them.

And listen, like the Menendez murder chart, you know, the charts for those days, like, as someone who has that birth chart, I have had power dynamic things happen throughout my life, right? Interesting. I am not, I do not foresee sort of that playing out in a similar way whatsoever, but in a very different application, in a different reality, in a different circumstance. Like I understand how those energies could manifest in a way that would create something like that, right? Like two sides and same coin type. Yes. And when we look at it, look at things that are happening in real time, you know, events that are unfolding currently and, you know, the horror stories that come from concurrent events, it's like that energy,

we're going to look at that energy through the lens of what we know happened, but that energy can also show up in other ways too. Interesting. Okay. That's very deep. Yeah. And like babies, you know, in 2026 and this month in February, we have some, massive astrology happening, some like landmark astrology. We have Saturn and Neptune connecting for the first time in 36 years, the last time was in actually 1989, corresponding with the fall of the Berlin Wall. So, you know, we are looking at astrologers have been anticipating this really big astrological happening for years, for decades. And also babies are going to be born with that signature in their chart too. So like all of the things are true at the same time. Pisces babies.

Pisces babies. Wow. I guess that's, I guess I was thinking about it if maybe in the inverse where the astrology comes first and then the events follow the stars that versus like, oh, well, the events cause the stars to shift. I don't know why. It's kind of like a chicken egg situation. It feels like it would be. Yeah. Because astrology is so much our interpretation. You know, the way that I interpret astrology is going to be very different than like, you know, some like right wing maga astrologer would interpret what's going on. Is that a thing? Because that deserves like a TLC show and I would watch it. Like I would hate watch it all day. It certainly is a thing. It is a thing. Oh, we got to talk off or we could talk online, but I have questions. There was a big, I think that it's always existed, but it really, like the rupture really happened during the pandemic.

Yes, I do recall that. Yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, it's, it was a wild time to like, a lot of things came out of the, yeah, I remember people being like, wait, what? Like, splitting, like groups just splitting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also remember the, when the eclipse was happening, a lot of people took that literally, quote, literally from the Bible of being some big thing. Right. So, yeah. So, yeah. I guess, I guess, I guess they do exist. I just, they're not in my circle. So it blows my mind that, that they're out there. Um, interesting. Well, Emma. I have one last thing to read for you real quick. It's an apology because I did find one more email that came up in the search. And it had June 3rd, but I couldn't find it. And then I realized it was in a newspaper clipping attached to the email. And this is your comeuppance tale. Okay.

Thank you. June 3rd. This is the email we received from Amy, which says, Hi, I'm and Christine. I just finished listening to the episode where Christine covers the Oklahoma Girl Scout murders. And I knew I had to send in my story. My mom had signed me up for Girl Scouts as a Brownie when I was not. even though I wasn't too thrilled about the camping part.

I was convinced we were going to see a bear while camping. My mom reassured me that would never happen and said she would go on camping trips with me so I would feel safer. Well, the first time she couldn't go on a trip with me, we had a bear encounter at the camp. Oh, my God. To lock ourselves in the mess hall. Wow. This didn't help my chronic anxiety, it says, which, yeah, I imagine it wouldn't.

The parts of the Girl Scouts that I really enjoyed was earning badges. That feels very like millennial like like collecting. Yeah, I also like if I'm always guessing I have to like I wish that we had all the submissions of everyone's signs all the time. We should require it. We should we put a thing for pronouns. We should put like date of well maybe not date of time. Social security. Home address.

Last four of. Namedous. But this feels very aries to me. Okay. I love this. Okay. I love the collecting. badges is like I will take the bear attack if I get the badges. Oh, a little. Okay, we're going to have

Amy right back in and let us know because I'm very curious about that. Well, there's actually a lot more in Amy is the star of the story. So I feel like you might know by the end. Oh yeah, yeah, Amy, aiming. You got to like do the reverse chart. Like just start drawing it as it's not. Maybe it'll come through. Okay. This is crazy, guys. Okay. The part I enjoyed was earning badges. I can still remember the big book that we had that had new things we were going to learn about and what badge we would earn when we mastered the skill. One of these skills was first aid. The kind of survival stuff M would like, such as what to do if you get cut, stung by a

B, break a bone, hit your head, and what to do if someone is choking and how to perform the heimlich maneuver. Less than a week later, little nine-year-old me ended up needing this skill to save my two-year-old brother's life. See, that's why we like to know these things. You never know. I need to get back on that and learn that a little better, I think. I need to take like a, this inspired me.

Take like another little red cross refresher or whatever. I'm literally taking a first aid CPR class next weekend. See, it's important. Yeah. My brother and I were cleaning my room, but mostly just playing, when I noticed that my brother was laying down on the floor, gagging and choking on something. He was starting to turn purple. And in that moment, I knew exactly what to do since the, like, maneuver practice was fresh

in my mind. Without that badge, you know. I quickly flipped him over and put my fist by his belly button, covered it with my other hand, and started pushing on, in my fist in his stomach and pulling him towards me. He pretty quickly coughed up what he was choking. on, which was a small metal weight from a toy. It was from one of those balancing eagles that you could put the beak of the bird on your fingertip, and it would balance because of a metal weight in either side of the wings. Well, apparently the bird broke, and the weight was lying on the

floor, and my brother found it and put it in his mouth. So after this happened, I could see that my brother was okay. I ran into the kitchen to tell my mom what happened. She was talking on the phone, so she waved me away and told me that she was on the phone. I told her it was really important, And I think that she's really important. Amy really like is she did the right thing. She did. She did. She went in the right order.

I'm so impressed. To go get mom after saving your life like once he's okay. I've never heard of anything like it. Amy deserves the badge. Amy deserves like a lot of badges. A lot of badges. Yeah, the golden one. I don't know if there is a golden one, but she deserves that one.

Okay. I told my mom it was really important. And I think she could tell I was shaken up over something. So she immediately ran a check on my brother. She was so amazed that I was able to put to use something I'd just learned at Girl Scouts that week to actually save his life. We were convinced that if I didn't react as fast as I did, he would have choked to death on that stupid weight. My mom was so impressed that she called our local news stations, and I ended up on the news and in two different local newspapers. Hey, girl.

The timing of this is crazy too because this happened almost exactly one year after my dad had died. and one of the articles talks about that and it was like a really tragic like sudden death so and they talk about in the article like it's a year later and I don't know how my family would have survived another death in the family what's even more crazy is that

24 years after this happened my 14 year old son saved my 4 year old son from choking on a Lego by performing the Heimlich maneuver on it what the heck? What is going on in this family guys are just like saving lives left and right overall Girl Scouts was great for me for the first few years I was in it. I have so many skills I learned that I still use.

This has been an ad for Girl Scout. It kind of is though. I'm like, honestly, I feel like this is a good ad for. If it teaches all the children across America to know how to save lives, I mean. Yeah. I learned how to make rice balls in Girl Scouts, not this. I learned nothing. Anyway, it says you learn that you don't like to ride horses.

And that's an important thing to learn. But I'd have to wait until. I was 30 to actually take a first aid class again and then not get a badge by the way. Is everyone in Girl Scouts? What's that? Everyone was in Girl Scouts? I did like Brownies for like a year and then I think I was just kind of socially ousted. I did some knockoff YMCA version of Girl Scouts.

What was it called like brownies? They called it like. I think it was literally called like stay prepared. Like it was like. Oh, I see. I see. But maybe it's seeded that interest in you. Maybe.

Maybe. I do I do just like to be handy in a crisis and M also loves a Virgo rising we love to see it Oh Virgo right yeah loves a fun fact also loves loves um loves to collect a badge um for sure That's very neat I love a chotchkey love a chotchkey um and now I just want to read this last thing Amy said I'm attaching the p s I'm attaching the news articles I just found a couple months ago While going through my aunt's things after she passed away of course she had them laminated and put in a protective protective sleeve. And I have this literally

Tuesday, June 3rd, 1997. Brownie gives squeeze of life. Nine-year-old saves her baby. I'll use my journalism voice. Nine-year-old saves her baby brother. Ontario. Oh, this happened to Canada too. Wow. What's happening? All your stories are Canadian.

I love it. She keeps blanking on the name, but nine-year-old Amy Adkins used a brownie lesson in the Heimlich maneuver to save her youngest brother from choking. Amy got a two-year-old Colin to spit up a lead weight the size of an animal cracker that he'd partly swallowed. How did she do it? I did the, she said Monday, trailing off and looking at her mother. Heimlich maneuver, Kimberly Adkins prompted her. Heimlich maneuver, whatever, Amy said. Words aren't important. His life has saved.

Amy! I love her. Her brownie leader, Paula Hamilton, has her own word for it. Amazing. Just last two, Tuesday, Troop 547 had a safety lesson in which the girls learned how to stop someone from choking. We made our left hand into a fist, then cover the right hand over it, Amy said. Then with your fist, you find the belly button and you push up three times. She put that lesson into action Sunday morning while cleaning up a room. Colin was in the room, too, lying on his back playing with the lead weight that had dropped out of a broken figurine. As small objects are wont to do, when young children are around, the weight made its way into Colin's mouth.

He was coughing and gagging, Amy said. His face was turning purplish. She flipped her brother onto his stomach, then got him to pop the way out. She ran to the kitchen to interrupt her mother on the telephone. Kimberly found Colin standing very solemnly, quote, one little tear coming down his cheek. Poor baby. Baby's first trauma. Seriously.

Hamilton, who was informed of her pupil's work, noted that while not all choking, situations are life-threatening Colin would have been too young to help himself. And it says this lesson was important for the brownies because girls are often left with young children. So yeah, if you don't have that skill. And it says, Amy, the oldest of the three Adkins children helps out a lot around the house since their father's death a year ago. Colin likes to spend time with her. Amy is cooler with her affections. Quote, he's cute but annoying, she said.

But he's allowed to stay alive. I love it. Yeah, I guess I'll save him. But we'll keep him for now. Amy learned a lesson from all this. Did Colin? He was still putting things in his mouth Monday, but only lollipops. The end.

I would be pissed if I was Amy. I'd be like, are you serious? Take that out right now. Again. Are we not learning? I'm just like so amazed by this and the fact that it came with like a newspaper article. I just. I know.

Delated. So Amy, I'm sorry for your loss of your father, by the way. All of this sounds very traumatic. Yeah. And we appreciate you. And we'd love to know. Elisa, do you have any like updates on like your take on like. I think Amy's in Aries.

I love this. Okay. Amy, right back. If you're in Aries, I would love to know. Yeah. I mean, she's a warrior. She's a hero. Hell yeah.

A hero for sure. That's energy. Just like fucking ready to jump into action. Yeah. Hell yeah. I love that. Man, I'm really, I say it every day. On and off air.

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Well, those are the end of my contributions to today's episode. Everything. Well, no, thank you. Thank you for even finding most stories. That was awesome. I am more curious about your, about Elisa, about your take on our birth charts. All I've heard so far is that my version. I'm going to be within me, but I've actually never felt connected at all to that part of me. I'm always surprised by that part of your birth chart, but I don't really. Oh, really? At all.

And so it's so interesting that you immediately clocked up. I love that. Wait, yeah, tell us more about this Virgo rising thing. Wait, this is stunning to me because I feel, yeah, and I feel like you're so Virgo rising. What does it mean? How does that come across? So can you guys share with me like a little, like where, where are you in your astrology journeys? Who are you?

How much do you know your charts? Where am I right now? Where are we right now? What is happening? Yeah, we haven't here. But like how much do you know about your charts, astrology? Drop me in. Take it away, Christine.

You got a lot more to say than me. Okay. I have done some cursory research. I have friends who are very, well, pretty well versed in astrology. I'm like on the newbie-ish side as far as I've looked at my birth chart. I've had some people kind of point some things out, but I cannot read it. Like I get mixed up when I try to actually understand it. I feel like it's in a language I can't read.

But I find it like deeply fascinating and it's something I regularly, I follow like I've been trying to learn more. So I'm actively learning. What about you in? I know enough about the signs in there. To hate Scorpios. To hate Scorpio. Oh, yeah, we'll talk about that. I have an ex who really ruined the entire group of people for me.

I'm just hesitant. And then I become friends with people and then they're like, I'm a Scorpio and I go, ah, that one hurt. But it's okay. We can make it work. But I'm aware. I know I had, I know enough about the, I guess the main classic stereotypes of each of the signs that if someone says, I'm a tourist, I can kind of guess what that means.

But I wouldn't be able to look at anybody and go, I know exactly what's going on here. And I do feel very attached to the Gemini and me, only because when I read the descriptions of each sign, I have, like, word for word. It's like, it's like creepy when people do like Gemini friend memes. And it's like, they never stop talking. And it's like, oh, we're literally professional podcasters. Yeah. Professional talkers.

Literally. So it sometimes is a little on the nose. Yeah. Yeah, and I know my big three, but anything else beyond that, I have no idea what that means. I have nothing. Cool. But I do feel very, and maybe you do too, Christine, but I feel very in touch with the Gemini and me. And the cancer, kind of my cancer moon makes sense a little bit to me, but Bergo Rising, I just.

It feels like out of nowhere, but I guess it's not. Yeah. Okay. So let's, for our listeners and for also you both, let's go through how we distinguish sun moon and rising, because I think it's really important. So your son is you. Your son is the sun, right? It's consistent. It comes up every day.

It's gorgeous. It's visible. It's radiant. It takes up the most space. It's like in your face, right? So our son represents the part of our personality that is sort of the essence of us, right? So our ego is tied to it, our sense of self, our identity, our external experiences. The moon is our internal experiences.

So for some people, if you were born, for example, on a new moon and your son and moon are in the same sign, that's really an interesting sort of like fusion of an external and an internal experience. But for the majority of people, the sun and moon are not in the same sign. And this shows the sort of nuances of our character, right? I like to say that the sun is sort of our, you know, what we do during the day. And then the moon is when we're in bed at night, how we are feeling and reflecting about on those experiences. Oh, that's such a better way to think about it, like to remember, I mean, because I always get confused about, yeah, anyway. Yeah. And the moon is also, you know, it's very different.

celestially from the sun. The sun is, other than during an eclipse, the sun is very consistent. You know, it shows up. It's this big, beautiful, bright ball in the sky. Even if it's cloudy, you're like, it's daytime. I get it. The moon is constantly oscillating.

It's changing. It's changing in shape. It's changing location. It moves fast, right? So the moon is also our sort of, our ever-present and ever-changing emotional sphere. And that shows us sort of the wax and wane and the fluctuation of our own internal experience, which is meant to be something that is fluid,

right? It's that there's more change in variability to than our identity, right? The rising is a really interesting and misunderstood placement because the rising is incredibly sensitive. It's a very sensitive point that corresponds with the exact minute you were born. So oftentimes, you know, when I go on podcast, or when I do sessions and someone gives me like, I was born at noon. I'm like, just so you know, I don't buy it.

Like the odds of you being born at noon are like, that seems like a very easy way that someone wrapped it up, you know. That helped me. I was eight minutes off and my rising completely changed. Yes, exactly. People are like, that makes a lot more sense. I was like, really? Yes.

So the rising is really delicate and it can change within a few minutes. It actually changes degree every two months. minutes. So for some people, it's like, it can shift radically. And the sensitivity of the rising sign is really important for a number of reasons. One is that it establishes the entire architecture for your birth chart. And then the other reason is because your rising sign is the world through your eyes. And this is often misconstrued and misunderstood as the mask you wear in public, which is one of the more pervasive sort of descriptions of it. But I find that to be a very confirmed. way of thinking about it because a mask almost implies that it's like a facade or something

you're putting on or something external that doesn't go deep. But your rising sign is your perspective of reality. So it is one of the deepest aspects of your chart. Your sun sign is a response to your rising sign. If your rising sign is like, I see the world, and I'm going to use you as an example here. If I see the world as a place where I need to create systems. I need to be prepared. I need to make sure that I'm actually doing good and contributing and helping and making the world a better place. My sun sign can do this by talking about things, by shedding light on things, by having conversations, by inviting people to open up and have more conversations.

The reason that all of the other planets exist is to satisfy the mission of your rising sign. So, yeah, powerhouse. So the rising sign is less about even the way that we sort of coexist and more the why behind the how, why we are the way we are. So to learn that you love to be prepared to learn that you, you know, like that true crime stories could be destabilizing for you is also for me like very Virgo rising. because you're like, how to, like, this, because these are upsetting things, right? You want to be prepared. You want to make sense of the systems of the world. And if something comes through and it like, you're hearing about people being unprepared,

people like, you know, being duplicitous and like shifting and not being as they said they were and doing these like shady, very evil things, it's like, whoa, how can I trust these systems? And how can I like, you know, we have to avenge these stories, which is also where the Gemini sun kicks in. And also where the moon in cancer, which is so sensitive, you know, so much of wanting to, is very compassionate. It's wanting to like be the people's person, right? It's like you want to make sure that people have are being tended to and cared about and cared for. So for me, in this, you know, in the way that I've gotten to know you already, I feel like it makes so much sense to have these reflected as your big three. That's, and Viral Rising are very, very smart.

And they're also very spiritual. Loeke. They're one of the most spiritual signs. Christine is convinced I'm a psychic. No, I'm, I just know it. I don't have to be convinced. There have been some, I guess, we play, we play, like, little fun games, right? we get the like Z- what are they called?

Like ESP. Yeah, those cards. And you like, Em is like freakishly good at it. And it's like, I don't know. I'm not even trying. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. No, I, and I mean, I am also a, we've all been at this point, ghost hunters for a few years.

But when M shows up, you better not touch a single label that has been put on every single microphone and everyone has a, every single camera has a backup battery. and then every backup battery has a backup battery. And then I usually break most of them. And then it gets really upset and has to leave the room. Like it's all kind of making sense now. It does make sense. Yeah, very spooky but organized.

Yeah. And I'm just like bump into everything. Yeah, okay. Yeah. You've convinced me that maybe I am more connected to my burgos stuff. I feel like I needed the reframe of what a rising sign was, I think, to understand that. Yeah. And just to add a little bit more here with the Virgo Rising, you know, like a Virgo Rising is,

Gemini and Virgo are both ruled by Mercury. And Mercury is the planet of communication. And I like to say that Gemini is sort of the external version of Mercury. It's the output. And Virgo is the input. It's the processing of information. Oh, wow. So for you, there is just, you know, it's very mercurial to have this sort of like give

and take of, okay, let me take in the information, learn about things. And then I'll offer my commentary. but your commentary is also really, you know, at its core, your mission is to help other people find the confidence to talk to. So you are talking as sort of this like, you know, your Gemini quality is really to invite and to inspire more people to talk and more people to find their voice and more people to be able to communicate their truth. We should have you on every week. We should do a pep talk to you before every episode. Keep going. No.

Don't let me stop you. All right. I got to hear about Christine. I got to hear about it. Oh, God. Okay. So, Christine, double Aquarius energy. We know it's Gemini, right?

It's a Gemini. Unless you gave me the 12, 12 a.m. That's my, yeah. And it was, I thought it was 12.4 originally. And that was Capricorn. And I just could not figure that one out. And then it turns out, nope, Aquarius also. So, you know, there's an interesting relationship between,

Capricorn and Aquarius in that they're both Saturn ruled traditionally signs. And the translation of that is like they're both very serious in their own ways. You know, they both are no funny business with the Capricorns and the Aquarians. But the way that that manifests for Aquarians is very much about like, it's ironically like trying to, it's no funny business. And like, why are you taking everything so seriously? Exactly. Like, let's be real here. Like, nothing matters.

Everything is... That's my thing. I always went around and I go, nothing matters. That's my favorite line. Every time we've had a crisis and there was just no way out of it. And usually I broke something. We'll always just say nothing matters.

It's fine. Nothing matters. That's so weird that you just said that. Let's all be serious and remember that nothing. Yes, exactly. Let's be serious and remember that nothing matters because like, And then in the weird way, everything matters because nothing matters, right? It's like, yeah.

Eerie. She said that a hundred times. That's so crazy. Nothing matters. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Inside joke in our group because we'd be like, right, nothing matters. Just come on.

Wait, that's amazing. That's really weird. And I don't think that's something I say on the podcast ever. It's only when we're in like crisis. It's when we were on tour and something would go wrong. And nothing matters, let's just get on stage. Nothing matters. It was, that's so eerie.

That's wild. I love it. Yeah. We got to be serious about that. And be serious. It's like kind of like snap out of it. Nothing matters. Like let's go. Just be authentic. Just be here. So you were born with. So when you were born because you have your rising and your moon both in Aquarius. The moon was coming up over the horizon. So you have your moon positioned in your first house of identity. So for you being lunar is actually in a very, important part of your identity. And when we say being lunar, it means actually being in that sort of like ebb and flow of things. Right. We are talking about the moon as this constantly undulating entity. And so for you, like your moods are an important part of your identity, you know, whether you are in a mood where you want to do something or not do something. Your feelings about things are an important part of who you are. Your instincts on. things are an important part of who you are. Like, you get a download on something and you're like,

well, you know, that's kind of how it is. Change my mind. But it's once you have that experience, you hold that really close as data for you. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Like that becomes a, that becomes a piece of it that is unshakable for you. So understanding sort of like your emotional, your first emotional response to something, how you feel about a person, a situation, a dynamic is part of your processing mechanism. And it's also sort of the first line of understanding a situation. Yeah, I can totally, yeah, totally relate to that. I know we don't have too much time. I don't want to keep you forever. But do you have any insight onto how our charts like connect or overlap or anything like that. Well, you know, obviously you were born one year and one day apart, which is very cute.

And always clarifies that I'm the year older. Yeah, of course. You got to make sure the people know. Not the same year. Not the same year. Um, your, so you actually have the, even though you were born one day apart, you actually have the exact same sun sign in astrology. Because there is, you know, um, 365 days in a year and a birth chart and the sort of like operating system of astrology is a wheel. So it's 360. So there's always a variance, right, of a few days and degrees. 365 days, 360 degrees. So you both are 13 degree Gemini sun. So in astrology, this means that you have your solar return, which is your birthday, the same day every year. Whenever the sun is at 13 degrees, it's, It's a shared experience for both of you.

And some years, that's going to be June 4th. Some years that's going to be June 3rd. Maybe one year it'll be June 2nd. Maybe one year it'll be June 5th. That's why we have a birthday month, just in case. Just in case. You really are, you're twins. You know, I always say that every Gemini's pursuit is to find its twin.

That is the mission of every Gemini. That's cute. precious. Yes. And with your own sign, do you feel like that it speaks volumes to everything you've accomplished. Yeah. What sign are you? Are we allowed to ask you that? Do you want to guess? Oh, gosh. Yeah, but I'm going to be bad. Well, you told us her birthday. Oh, I did. Oh, shit, you did. Oh, so it's just a zodiac. It's just a horace of zodiac.

But I can't, is that a Leo? I'm a Leo. Okay. I'm a Leo. But you want to get my moon sign? Then by the feelings. At night, she lays at her bed and thinks of the day. an astrologer out podcasting my day. Yes, you got it. Shut the fuck. I told you. I'm psychic. I told you.

Psychic. I love it. Yes. And when I see a piece of data, M. I remember it and I know it. Yes. Collect your data. Well, I would assume it takes a lot of like, I know Pisces are the stereotypically like the most emotional of them, I guess, or they're, I don't know if they'd seem

the right word. But I would imagine it takes a lot of being able to like discern with what you do. I would, I kind of went off of the logic part of me there. I was like, well, I guess you would have to have a lot of feelings and know how to operate with all of them. So I went with Pisces. But yes, but I also think, you know, there are so many great, very hyper-analytical astrologers who don't bring any, you know, it's almost like they're, they approach it

very clinically. Like, they could be almost mathematicians about it where they don't put the feels and the emotions in, like that would not be available for me. Right, right. Those are for the MAGA astrologers. I mean, kind of literally. I mean, yeah, like if you're lacking an empathy, right? It's very deep for me to say in my industry.

But yes. We won't tell anyone. We won't tell. Nobody will know. No, no, perfect. Well, yeah, we don't want to, I mean, we would like to keep you for much longer and asking more questions, but we don't want to take up your own time. But thank you so much.

Can I tell you one thing about 2026 for you both? Please, listen, we would love to. Never mind what I was going to say. Yeah. We could talk. As you know, we could talk forever. So please. Well, I do want to say that, Christine, you have a very big.

year coming for you because you are going to have your Jupiter return, which only happens every 12 years. The Saturn return gets a lot of, you know, gets a lot of airplay, but your Jupiter return is sort of like the lucky, abundant version of that. And you only get it every 12 years. So the last time that you would have had it would have been, well, what's 12 years ago? Good question. 2014. 2014. Hey, that's the year I met Blaze. My husband. And it's actually in the area of your chart associated with partnership. Aww. Yeah.

So there's going to be another important partnership coming through this year. Oh, my God. Am I going to have an affair? Just kidding. Just like that. The astrologer said. Is Leona going to say the other mom? Yeah.

Twins. Twins. Oh, I love that. Thank you for sharing. And then does that mean M's is the year after that? Yes. Oh, wow. Okay.

I'm back to back. We'll see what happens. Well, thank you so much for coming on and chatting with us and all that. It was awesome. It's just fascinating. Thank you so much. And is there anything you would, I know I gave you a lot of hype in the beginning, but is there anything in particular you would like to direct people to before anything else?

I would say, I say my podcast. Come from one podcast base to another. You head over to Horoscope weekly. I have episodes come out every Monday and every Wednesday. I need that because do you go over, I'm assuming you go over like that. weeks like transits and things that are in the air. I do. I do. And then I have horoscopes for every sign. And then on Wednesday I do the astrology, which is when we talk about more like specific aspects of astrology. I cannot wait for this. Okay. I'm going to,

I'm behind on all my podcasts, but I'm preparing them for for my big year. My big Jupiter return, I'll be listening to all the podcasts. Well, thank you so much for everything. We really do appreciate you coming on. I know you're very busy. So, and hopefully you have a good you're lined up for you as well. I don't know the stars to be able to tell you. I hope so. I hope so too. I can see it.

I'm psychic and I think M and I can tell, right? Yeah. Yes. It's going to be so powerful. Yes. I'll take it. Perfect. All right.

Thanks, everyone and we'll see you next month with more listeners episode. Listener stories. And? Oh, that's why. We and then, Elisa, you can say drink.

Drink. Yay! Yeah. We never plan that part out.